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1988 03 20CHANHASSEN CITY OOUNCIL MA,~CH 28, 1988 .: Mayor Hamilton called the~w~cting to order. ~be~ting was opened with the Pledge to the Flag. C0~CI~E~ PRESENT: Oouncilman Boyt, Oouncilman Horn, Oouncilman Geving an~ Councilman Johnson STAFF PREStg~T: Don Ashworth, Gary Warren, Larry Brown, Todd Gerhardt, Barbara DaCy, Jo Ann Olsen and Jim Chaffee AP~ROVAL OF ~: Councilman Gevi'ng moved, Councilman Horn seconded to approve the ager~la as amended by Councilman Geving to include discussin~ havin~ a joint HRA and City Council _n~cting and Mayor Hamilton wanted to discuss West 78th Street and Old St. Hubert's ar~ a possible addition to the develolmnent contract. All voted in favor a~] motion carried. CONSENT AGENDA: Councilman Horn moved, Councilman Geving seconded to approve the following Consent Agenda items pursuant to the City Manager's r .ec~umendations: a. Lake Susan Hills West Preliminary Plat Amendment, Argus Develolxnent f. Approval of 1988/89 Liquor Licenses. i. Accounts Payable dated March 28, 1988 j. City Council Minutes dated March 14, 1988 Planning C(mlnission Minutes dated March 2, 1988 k. Resolution %88-24: Approval of Resolution Authorizir~3 a Public Hearing on May 9, 1988 for TID No. 2. All voted in favor and motion carried. CC~SENT AGENDA: (B) WEST VILLAGE HEIGHTS SH2OND AIH)ITION FINAL PLAT. Mayor Hamilton: Jo Ann was there a condition you wanted to add to item l(b)? Jo Ann Olsen: The applicant, on condition 7, they did not ~mnt to change that 25 foot easement to a highway easement. Carver County has agreed to accept just a 10 foot highway easemmnt and the applicant has stated that the.y will give a 30 foot trail easement rather than the 25 so it's just those minor changes. Number 6 would be, shall provide a 30 foot trail easement and ~ 7 would say that ~ applicant shall designate a 10 foot easement alor~ Powers Blvd. as highway easement. There already an existing utility eas~aent. Councilman Johnson moved, Mayor Hamilton seconded to approve Consent Agenda item l(b), West Village Heights Second Addition Final Plat as a~ended by staff. All voted in favor and motion carried. City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 CONSENT AGENDA: (C) LAKE ANN PARK PARKING FEE SCHEDULE~ Mayor Hamilton: I just wanted to talk about the parking fees at Lake Ann Park, or whatever we call the fees that we charge there. What were our fees last year? Does anybody know? Councilman Geving: ~ne same. No change. I don't think we've had a change in tw~ years. Councilman Boyt: It's on the last page of this. Mayor Hamilton: I'd truly like for us sc~et~ to get residential seasonal itsm down to a buck or two. W~ pay for that out of taxes. Every property owner pays for the park out of their property taxes already. To have to pay again to go in doesn't make sense to me. Non-residential I'm fine with. Councilman Geving: Do want to do it tonight? Mayor Hamilton: ~nat's fine with me J f everybody is in agrec~aent. Councilman Boyt: If we look in that paragraph about costs, we have a situation here in which the users of the park are actually paying the costs of operating the beach program, which is not a bad idea. My guess would be, although Don could certainly correct this, that we don't have a budgeted amount to pay for beach operation. I think this might be something we want to look at for next year and budget for rather than come at J.t this year after the fact. Mayor Hamilton: I guess I don't have a problem with that. I think we ought to look at the bus fee also. When you have a bus paying the same as a non- residential seasonal, it almost sesms if you have a busload of people coming in, it should be a dollar a head or sc~aething. Kind of make it a little more equitable. We could have 50 people on a bus and to only pay $10.00, that doesn't seem like the right fee to me for a bus. I don't know if we ever have buses come in there. I don't believe I've ever seen one in there. Don Ashworth: You have various requests during the course of the year for larger groups. Many times we have to turn those types of requests away. Potentially you have the people such as Honeywell who want to schedule their entire company to come out. When it gets over 50 people, we do issue a special permit and we do charge them accordingly. Hypothetically you could get up to the 50 but after that point they do require a special permit and there is a special fee associated with that. Councilman Geving: This is an interesting item. Many years ago when we first started the Lake Ann Park, there was a lot of discussion about not charging any fee. Then we went through a period of time where the Park and Rec C¢~mission was basically going to recoranend to us to double any of the fees that we previously had. We started with a dollar, believe it or not, it was just merely a token amount to keep most of the people who weren't Chanhassen residents out of the park. Even though it was only a dollar, that was the idea. It was a token amount and over the years it has grown and grown and over the years we've picked up a little bit. I did get two calls on this over the weekend frc~n people who feel very strongly that there shouldn't be any charged .City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 for a person wanting to use our city parks. I kind of agree with that. I think we had Lori do a survey maybe tw~ years ago on the various parks in the area and I think she four,~ that we were the only city that was charging any ki~d of a park fee to get into our city park. I may be wrorg on that but I seem to recall that that seemed to be the survey results. I kind of feel the same way, that the fee should be very nominal. These are not out of line. I do 'believe that $1.00 per residential is fine. ~lat happens in my case is I ha~e three cars and I always have the park sticker on the wrorg car so I buy three of time. I kind of go along with what Bill is saying. We have budgeted for this year ar~ we're ready to start this season and maybe that's s(x~ething we can look at for next season. It's certainly a good thought and I had thought about pulling this off myself. I do believe that the citizens of Chanhassen should be able to use the parks without paying a fee at all. Mayor Hamilton: I don't have any problem with charging s~mething. It costs us to print stickers and to adminster it. I think that should probably be the extent of what we charge for the sticker. Councilman Johnson: I've got t~ comments on this. I think that Lake Ann is a unique city park here in the city. All the rest of ~ are free. We have staff to pay out there. A lot more grounds keeping and stuff. I think for the residents I w~uld be in favor of dropping it. I'd also like to look at, in 1984 w~ had an ~ployee non-resident. I think as far as our econcm~ic growth, the city of ~den Prairie for their co~mmity center, if you're an ~ployee that works in the city of Eden Prairie, you're treated as a resident of the city. I'd like to see tt~ same type of treatment for our commercial people who have companies here in the town. That the ~mplol~es ~ho are f~ing our businesses, buyirg our lunches and gasoline here, get the same treatment. Councilman Horn: They do. Councilman Johnson: Ch, that's why it was dropped? They're considered residents. Don Ashworth: That' s correct. Mayor Hamilton: We've always encouraged that. Councilman Geving: Would you be in favor of dropping that to a $1.00 tonight? Councilman Johnson: No. I'd like to see the financial analysis to see what we would be doing to our budgets and everything there. Counci~ Horn: We looked at 1987 and the total seasonal was $7,120.00 so we know it's going to be scme portion of that. It se~s to me we can at least head in the right direction and reduce it by s~me ~ount this year. Maybe not drop it to $1.00. Councilman Johnson: The ~ing classes were $11,000.00 which was almost co~ered by the daily. I'd like to look at the whole park budget though. I didn't pull the park budget to look at it and see what we would be doing if we took $2,000.00 away frcm the park operating budget. City Council ~k=eting - March 28, 1988 Mayor Hamilton: Perhaps we have time yet to review this. Have staff review it and bring it back at our next meeting. See if that's going to cause a tremendous hardship on the functioning of the park this year, than I think I would like to see Lori say that or perhaps even discuss it with the Park and Rec Cc~mission. What our thoughts are and see what their thoughts are. Don Ashworth: I don't think there would be a significant impact if you want to potentially $2.00 in 1988 and instructed staff to look at like $1.00 in 1989. You will have a reduction in your daily fees but you will also pick up some additional useage out of that. Our previous experience has been that with an increase in the fees, you don't see significant increase in the amount of money but by contrast, by reducing fees, you do have increased useage, Councilman Boyt: I would like to make a comnent here. It says in Lori's first page that there was considerable discussion. We didn't get the Minutes and we're really working in the dark here. Councilman Geving moved, Councilman Johnson seconded to table action on the Lake Ann Park Parking Fee Schedule until next meeting. All voted in favor and motion carried. CONSENT AGENDA: (E) REQUEST FOR EXTENSION FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, GREAT PLAINS GOLF ESTATES. Councilman Horn: My only cc~nent on this is, it seems tome that what w~'re doing here is allowing somebody to jump the gun on a develo~nent proposal just to take advantage of the 2 1/2 acres. I believe that's the only reason that this request came in when it did. I don't think there was any intent to develop it at that time. It's purely an attempt to beat the 1 in 10 ruling. Nowwe get a request to extend that time and it se~ms tome that all we're doing is delaying s~mething that wouldn't have happened in the first place. I have a little problem with that. I wanted to get the rest of the Council's opinion on that. Councilman Geving: Don't you think though Clark that there are others, I se~n to recall that there are probably others who have done the same thing. That were trying to beat the 2 1/2 acre proposal. I believe that's true isn't it Barb? Don't we have other proposals other than DOn Halla's who basically are in the same position? Councilman Horn: That makes it even more relevant then because what that says is this is just the first of many requests we're going to get to extend these and they're going to get extensions forever until they're ready to develop. Jo Ann Olsen: All the other ones are meeting all the deadlines. They are in the process of development. Barbara Dacy: Except for Sever. Jo Ann Olsen: Sever, that's one tabled but that's with TH 212 property. Mayor Hamilton: That was legitimate. City fbuncil Meeting -March 28, 1988 Jo Ann Olsen: This is the only.who hasn't.moved. · Councilman Johnson: I think he was very honest with you when he said he really doesn't want to develop. Met Council forced us, basically to make t?~ rule in the first place or forced the city into the 1 in 10 and that forced to preserve his rights. This is one where I'm torn again. I see both your side of it and I c_-c his side of it. He's got a growing nursery business that he doesn't to start taking out multi-hundred dollar trees in order to put house~_ in_and to .. put streets in through the middle of his nursery when he doesn't really-plan.to.. sell those lots to anybody. He plans to continue growing trees. He doesn't .-- need a standard street running through the middle of his nursery, I'm .torn on this one personally. '-One side 'of me says, shoot, let him extend it.- if he doesn't wsht to develop, we shouldn't be forcing him and the Met Counci.!"made us force him in the first place. The other side is saying he'.S trying .to get away with s~mething like what you were saying. Not away with s(~ething but he's stuck bet~----~ the same rock and a herd spot as I think we are in looking at this. Mayor Hamilton: I just w~uld feel that if we give him the extension~ we're going to have to follow the same rules for everybody else. I think he's following the rules that we've established for doits3 this. He's not. doing something we haven't ever done in the past but I think if we do it for him, we're going to have to do it for others...I understar~ your concern. Councilman Gev~ng: I w~uld sa~ ~his T~. ff this ~xt?nsi~ were'granted, ~his- is a one time deal. By July of 1989 he should have this thing moving. - Mayor Hamilton: I think perhaps that could be a part of k~assirg..this: Make David understand that we'll extend it for a year and-if he hasn't.begun doing something in a years time, the changes of his receiving another extensi(x~ are pretty slim. Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Horn seconded to approve the 'extensiOn for· Final Plat Approval for Great Plains Golf Estates for one (1) year. 'If something hasn't occured at the end of this year's period of time, a second extension will not be looked upon favorably. All vote~_ in favor and motion.. carried. CG~SENT ~: (L) APPROVAL OF FIRST SUP~ SS'I'IT~~' AG~~, DAVID LUSE. Councilman Horn: My comment on (1) was, I 'was surpri~ to learn that the HRA is negotiating with Mr. Luse on the railroad depot. As a member of the HRA I was not aware of that. I'm not too excited about the idea, even on a t~zporary basis of setting up a trailer out there. It se~ms to me that., unless I'm missing something here, where he says he ~s some temporary space but re~ve the depot because we didn't ~ the space. Why would .the d.epot not. work but'a t~m~orary trailer will? Don Ashworth: It's an entirely different use~ The-primary i~sue is one that the City had looked, as a part of th~ settl~t agreement with Mr. Luse, to City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 come up with an amicable w~y in which reasonable disputes that existed between the City and Mr. Luse, as to the proper use of that property could be settled out. What has been negotiated through the Attorney's office is an issue that simply allows us to do that. To do it in a fashion that recognizes the court process that we went through. That recognizes that we do not have a similar type of a situation likely in any other type of land use issue before you. Again, where sc~nething has gone through the court type of a process, you end up with a situation where both parties try to come back to some reasonable solution. In regards to the HRA acquisition and negotiation regarding the railroad depot, I'm surprised at that. I do recall meeting with the Chairman on that issue. I was sure that the issue had been brought to one of their last HRA meetings. I'd have to go back Clark and look but I know that at the time that we had the session regarding the election results, the Mayor and myself had presented this issue at that meeting and we had discussed sc~e of the particulars regarding that negotiation that particular evening. Councilman Horn: I was late to that meeting. Councilman Geving: Did you miss that discussion? Councilman Horn: I missed that discussion. Don Ashworth: I feel in bringing this issue back, that I am doing it solely on the basis of agresments that we had reached at that point in time recognizing that there were s(xne very tight schedules and some decisions by the Attorney's office as to whether or not further pursuit of the entire court process was reasonable or whether or not this form of a settlement was the best way to achieve the ends for all parties. It was his position that this was a reasonable position. Again, I thought that we had agreed to that. Councilman Geving: I know we did. Tom and I were both at the preliminary meeting that you apparently missed and we did agree to that. Councilman Horn: I came in later when we canvased the election results. I didn't get in that discussion and I don't recall any discussion at the HRA on this either. Mayor Hamilton: We're trying to keep the depot in the City and this is a way to accomplish that. Councilman Horn: My concern of course is that we're trying to clean up that area out there and they had trucks for sale and everything else for sale out there. Now we're going to put a trailer out there. It just seems like... Councilman Geving: It's a t~mporary deal. Mayor Hamilton: It's for one year. Tne trailer will be behind the house and I think it's getting cleaned up. Councilman Geving: I just had one cannent. This is a 12 x. 46 foot mobile h~ne and I want to make sure that it does not become a living quarters and is strictly for temporary office space. So I'd like to make sure that staff is directed accordingly in this agreement and that that's worded. fr~ BL B~ B1 c~ el si o: o y Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 bara'Dacy: It was-our understanding that 'Mr. Luse purchased the trailer Sperry in St. Paul and it had-~_n used as-a temporary office space in. location. ~r Hamilton moved, Councilman Johnson seconde~ to approve the First ~l~mental Settlement Agreement for David Luse. All voted in favor and :ion carried. ~r Hamilton: Dave, the only concern I have is for your ~mplo~s working in .~re are made aware of where to go in case of a storm which get in the mertime. There have been so many things recently on the news about these. .n hcme~, where people are living in them. I would hate to see anybody get ~ght in there if there was a stom or something. ~id Luse: I would say that it is strictly office. We have someone 'in there ht now and w~ have no intention of anyone spending the evening there. Maybe later hours working but that's the extent of it. ITORS PRESENTATION: ~here were no visitors presentations. ~F3NITY DEVELO~ BLOCK GRANT FUNDS ALLOCATION FCR YEAR XIV, LARRY ~CKSTAD. rbara Dacy: I'Ve got some additional information. First of all, Larry ackstad frcm the Urban Hennepin County Office is 'here tonight-to answer ~stions. I know several of you had some other suggestions and ideas for the ~ding. Just to quickly review, last mac, ting you approved $15,000..0~ for .the ,,th Shore Senior Center. That leaves $17,197~ r~maining for Year XIV. ere are a couple of options available to the Council that wa can meet th~ BG regs on low and moderate income as wall as sc~e of their other eligibility quirements. We have some Comp Plan 'work that does need to be finished, up. rk Koegler has, we have entered the stage where we are finishing the last ,uple of chapters of the Comp Plan update and are about to embark on the blic hearing process. We estimate that that would entail up to $5,7~0.00. also ~ to revise our Ccu~rehensive Sewer Policy Plan as required by ke Ann Agreement and part of the Cc~p Plan update. We're looking at a uple, or I should say one consulting firm in particular ar~ we have gotten an timate of approximately $11,500.00 so there is an option there for-the uncil to use those re~aining funds for our Cc~p Plan. Another option is .that u could, one of the original recc~a~er~ations was to allocate the renaining ~unt of money to the South Shore Cente~. ' Third, we h~ve an .ongoing housing ~abilitation program that for certain areas of the city, as there is housing ,hab monies available and h~meowners make application, they suhnit information to their income levels and so on ar~ ~ evaluates that and Hennepin County termines whether or not they are eligible for the program. Sc~e of the other ggestions that were listed by the Council at March 14th, Mr. Blackstad has .~ponded to. Unfortunately-again, based on the.198~ census figures, mnhassen does not have a low and moderate income population there, we're not .gh enough in low and moderate inccme people to cross the threshhold for a lot these projects. You saw some of those other projects in other communities. ey have a different denographic make-up than Chanhasse~.has. Secondly, we're ~rating under the 1980 census figures and those are outdated obviously, based .. City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 on the amount of growth that we've had in the last 9 years. The census will begin their work in 1989 so we should have a better handle in future years for our income levels. Another future project that City Council could consider in the future is, if the community center is funded and constructed, it's my understanding that one of the ro~ms in the co~unity center would be available for the Chanhassen seniors. Now at that time, if the seniors develop sc~e type of program, CDBG funds may be used for their capital needs or some type of progranming needs. Unfortunatley at this time, they don't have a specific program available that's already established in the South Shore program so that's a future item that we could provide some service to the Chanhassen seniors. Then just to refresh your rmmmory, you still have monies in Year XIII which must be expended by the end of this year. Originally we allocated that for. the community center. Obviously we kno.w that was voted down in the most recent election so we need to reallocate about $26,000.00. Hennepin County people have said to us that given the amount of housing rehab applications that we have on an annual basis, they feel confident that we would be able to expend those funds for housing improvements in areas such as the Carver Beach area and the Red Cedar Point area. Again, Mr. Blackstad is here if you have any questions or concerns about the program. Mayor Hamilton: I had a question. I had asked if it was possible to expend any of these funds for a study to look at the staffing of the fire department, police department. That encompasses everybody in the community, not just the low income. Since we have concern about whether we have adequate police coverage and f, ire protection and all that kind of thing. Larry Blackstad: When you get involved in ~tudies and Barbara raised that question to me this afternoon in a conversation and I went back into the Block Grant regulations and did some research. When the feds talk about planning and administration in the Block Grant Program, they're essentially talking about historic preservation, enviro~tal and dc~prehensive planniri~. There are prohibitions, specific prohibitions involving areas of police and public safety. Those are viewed as general obligations of both units of government under the CDBG regulations. The proposal that you performed, I would have to say at this time, I don't believe would be eligible. Mayor Hamilton: If I could ask one other question. I had an opportunity to see 60 Minutes last night. One segment of it had a portion on this about, I don't know where it was, if it was a city or a county someplace had taken people who were on welfare and used scx~e funds from sc~eplace, I'm not so sure where they came from but they helped to set these people up in a business. Not solely funded them but they got th~m going well enough so that these people are not welfare recepients any longer. It ~ like a very worthwhile project from what was presented on the news show but you never know all of what happens. It sounded like a very worthwhile project. Larry Blackstad: In several large urban counties, the one that comes to mind is Daid, Miami Daid, they have set up essentially their own bank using block grant monies. ~ne scale of difference is that Miami Daid receives approximately 17 million dollars a year. Los Angeles county has also done the same kind of thing. They get in excess of 20 million dollars a year in Block Grant funds. Hennepin County gets 2 1/2 million and in your case you're talking.about a total $32,000.00. We have done sc~e.cooperative projects with Block Grant funds and with some of thoes job training partneiship funds through are bef fu~ jot pre suk ve~ but fo! we] La! pl~ ty~ $1: go fr~ pr( dol do: as~ or~ ~ Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 ~pin County and the training e~ployment office. We will either provide erials and they will.provide th~ wages or "workfare, t.y~e 9f program. We not currently involved in any activities like'that,' .We. have proposals' ore a citizen advisory ccm~nittee e~rlier~this..year. 'S~. 'i discretiOnary Is of abou{ $100,000.0~ and it. was tU~..' down. Basica.! y_~the nature, . s were very short term. Without ~ 'f~'!ning r .ece. i?,e~.:., could in fadt ' ~slate into long term e~ploymen~ for 'individuals is '~he' question. The 'ram you're talkirg about, if it is the Miami Daid program that involves an cation cu~po~t. The people have to go to school for so. :~.o.ng. I.t's a stantial prerequisite before they can access to any of the'~'oney. They are y interesting programs. I would love to try and set s(m~ething like that up again, it's just the scale of the dollars w~ have to work with. or Hamilton: Can any of those dollars be used for educational purposes or low income people or people who are on ~elfare, to try ar~ get ~ off of .- . fare? ry Blackstad: Yes, they can. Again, we've been involved through ~KJ trying' create some emplolauent opportunities.. It's not an .easy program to put ether because you ~ the cooperation 6f either a ~0-Tech or a Junior lege or the public school systen setting up a training program and the~ Job cement program. Those are expensive progrm,~. Funds can be used for those es of purposes. Again, my only caution is the number of dollars under sideration essentially. )r Hamilton: 'I know we've ~ot $26,0~.~0 f~m a prev'iou~ y~ar and ', ~. 0~ this year so we' re looking at $38,00~.'00 some dollars. That would a long ways towards educating some people. If it could help ~ get a ~sh start on life. ... .-- 'ry Blackstad: Not outside the realm ~0'f possibility~ to '~reate such a gram. Having not done it up to this point in time in the last 14 years, I 't have any good data to respond tO. your question, but it .is possible to do e type of program. Probaly the m~st direct aid to e~ucation we're currently .ng are the daycare assistance programs where we are providing daycare ~istance to single, parent ho.useho.~ds...It allowa, ./~. 99% of..the cases, a ~n to continue her education and her educatio~ is' being subsidized through of the other public assistance programs. ncilman Geving: Thank you for c~ming out tonight Larry. We appreciate your ~ing. A couple of things that we're doing in the downtown area is we are creating a historic preservation area. We've got an old city hall and .we just he~rd earlier that we might move an old city depot into the dity into an ar'ea. there the possibility of using these funds for historic preservatiOn st .l~oses? :ry mackstad: Historic preservation iS "~ot~r ~ebulou~' 'area. Where we done it, we have done it only to preserve not to' restore structures. As as moving a structure, I don't think we can get into that. mcilman Geving: But the preservation of the structure to bring it up to a u~dard where we could use it? City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 Larry Blackstad: No, not even that. W~ bring it up to a standard that stops the deterioration then anything else is up to the city. I-think the best example w~ probably have is, I'm trying to remember the name of it. It's a house over in ~den Prairie s~neplace done by the local historic society. It was one of the first homestead farm structures built in Eden Prairie. We got involved and all we did essentially is secure the exterior and the roof to stop the penetration of vermins and squirrels and rain. All we did was secure the thing and said okay, now it's up to the Historical Society. Othe~ things we get involved in is reuse. Councilman Geving: How about the denolition of the seminary right down on TH 1697 You've got denolition in here as one of the items in Hennepin County. That's an area that is fairly dangerous at this point. Taere are some old structures down there and it's unsafe in my view. There's a possibility that we could go in there and denolition the area. Larry Blackstad: Is it part of a current renewal site? Councilman Geving: No. Well, I don't know. It could be. Mayor Hamilton: We just don't know what we're going to do with it. Larry Blackstad: In order to qualify such an activity, it would probably be done under a spot renewal basis. What you're going in is the Council, in your case the HRA or the Council establishes that the existing conditions represent a blight influence on the con~unity. You could then say alright, in order to eliminate the blight we have two choices. Either restore the buildings or eliminate thsm. Not knowing anything more about the subject property at this point in time, there would have to be some type of analysis done upon which the justification would be made for the statement of blight. The possibility exists. Councilman Geving: I just have one other. Next week we are going to start a dial-a-ride syst~n in the community and one of the big things, our seniors meet every Thursday and have to get transportation to the elementary school from throughout the community. They pick-up rides or however they get there. A lot of ~ can't drive. What is the possibility of having a fund set aside to pay for the pick-up of these people on a dial-a-ride basis once a week. Pick ~ up at their home, bring them to the co~unity center. This is the only center we have in the comnunity, and take them back home at the end of the day. Larry Blackstad: It's again, a possibility. Where we do transporta%ion programs, they usually center on a senior center or in some cases a medical facility. Councilman Geving: This is all we've got right now Larry. Larry Blackstad: That we justify based on low to moderate i~. We probably need sc~e information on the senior population in Chanhassen. Councilman Geving: It's not a big thing. It's about 50 people that meet every Thursday and we're not talking about a lot of dollars except that this would be a way for then to get to the center. 10 City fbuncil Meeting ' March 281 1988 Larry Blackstad: You just hit on one other subject. We have a requirement in the progran that was in the contract that you executed with us last summer. We have a project minimum of $7,500.00 at this time and that just is an administrative issue from the Oounty side that w~ were running 150 to 170 properties a year and w~'re down to three staff who run this program frc~a as high as six a couple years ago. We just can't k~ track of it. If it's a real ~mall project... Councilman Geving: You're better off.then, .in that .ca~e, buying a van for ~ and hiring a driver. .. Larry Blackstad: We do capital costs. I don't like to get into operating costs of vehicles. Councilman Horn: When did this $7,5~0.00 minimum start? Larry Blackstad: It actually started in Year XIII in the Statement of Objectives that the County Board passed in about F~bruary of 1987. The $7,500.00 as far as a contract issue will go into effect for Year XIV which starts in JUly. councilman H~rn: One of the other things that I had asked for at our last meeting was a complete list of these projects.. We sti.ll don't have those. The reason I asked for that is I noticed that Brooklyn Park had several transportation related projects. In fact, they have three different projects, 52.69 redevelopment projects. Larry Blackstad: Right, that is the purchase of land adjacent to, I can't remanbex the cross street. It was an intersection that they were buying out a couple of ~mall businesses to redevelop the area. ~he City had gone through the blighting analysis and established these businesses were a blighting influence on the community. I think one was an auto salvage yard and another one was some other kind of scrap operation. The City wanted thsm out of there. The roads w~re being improved, upgraded. The area is changing. If you're. familiar with Brooklyn Park, everything north of 85th Avenue has drastically changed in the last couple years once the .sewer moritorium was. lifted so now they're going back and having to try to clean up some old uses of land that are there. councilman Horn: There's nothing in our downtown develolmaent program that would quali fy? Larry Blackstad: We did some work in the downtown project a couple years ago. We bought part of the Ringrode and the extra parking lar~ necessary to meet your city code requirements on the... Don Ashworth: The old Instant ~bb building. councilman Horn: What about our other parking area here that we just had to create or the demolition of some of these buildings? Councilman Johnson: And it's for a daycare center. 11 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 Barbara Dacy: Some of the issues were that the amount of allocation that we had wasn't enough in some cases to make the acquisition work. Don Ashworth: I don't know if we actively pursued an individual demolition. Most of the demolitions have run anywhere from $10,000.00 to $30,000.00. Councilman Horn: We have $30,000.00 I think. Don Ashworth: Hypothetically that may be another portion. You still have the rear portion of the LeBallo structure. That r~s to have an allocation made on that. I would say that's probably $10,000.00 to $15,000.00 depending on, I can't re~m~r if that's a w~x)d structure or not. I don't know if we've explored that with Larry or not. Larry Blackstad: No. Barbara hadn't mentioned it to me. ~ae d~nol ition of property, which are in your redeveloBment district would be eligible as far as your funds. You would have to go through the normal process where we require bids and the payment prevailing rates on the demolition. ~ Don Ashworth: If you were going to do that, I would highly reccmxnend that we look at the s~minary property over the downtown because you do have resources basically allocated for the d~nolition. Not to say that we couldn't change those allocations but in the case of the seminary property, we have nothing and we know that that is a problem that as a private ownership position and given the magnitude of dollars associated with that with very little potential for reuse, we're not allowing reuse for apartments or other types of high value uses that may generate a. private individual to be willing to take that down themselves. I know for the past several y~ars that that has been a real problem for code enforcement and public safety, etc. that we have not bc~n~ able to resolve. Barbara Dacy: .I was wondering if I could ask the Public Safety Direction, I'm not even-sure; .I kn~w there's been an evaluation of demolition costs on the seminary. · ' ' ' Mayor Hamilton: The estimate was $500,000.00 so if we could help. This is a small portion of it. Larry Blackstad: The seminary isn't by any chance a historic structure is it? Barbara Dacy: No, it's not. Councilman Johnson: I'd like to see a study done of our seniors and what their needs are as far as their needs for dinner programs, meals on wheels or whatever kind of programs. A full time versus a one day a w~ek ccm~unity senior center and stuff like that. Would this type of study be eligible? Larry Blackstad: We've done a couple of those over the years. We funded one in Minnetonka. We funded one in Brooklyn Center. Councilman Johnson: I know the South Shore would like to do a similar study except it's more to find a new building. 12 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 La~.ry Blackstad: Yes, they contacted me about that already. That type of a st.~dy is an eligible expenditure of Block Grant funds. Councilman Johnson: I think we need to know what our senior needs are right now. We need to do the study to do it. This is a good opportunity to me to do that study. Mayor Hamilton: Anything else? Councilman Johnson: That was the main one unless we've got some senior access places anywhere else in town that we can utilize the money for, for ramps or whatever. I just can't think of any right now that we need ramps or anything for. Councilman Boyt: I've got a couple. I guess I would agree that the idea of a study would be good Jay. I've heard several good ideas here. I 'd like to see us consider taking this year's money and putting it into a potential senior roan in the community center. I think that was along the lines of what we tried to do last year. I'm optimistic that the cc~m~unity center will pass when it cx~nes to a vote again. Larry Blackstad: Can I conm~ent on that? I think as Barbara pointed out, maybe she didn't use quite the word we used in our earlier discussion, it's more of a retrofit. If you approach it in that way we can probably make it more useable for you, the dollars. Block Grant funds are not without strings. I'll he very upfront about that. One of the more difficult strings we encounter is a law that says you pay prevailing wages rates on any construction done with Block Grant funds. If $1.00 of Block Grant funds goes to the project, it must take the place of the whole project so when you start talking about the c~m~nity center, it might be a value to consider at what point in time you consider whether or not the senior project is... Councilman Boyt: So it w~uld be possible to build a c~m~unity center and then cc~e back after construction s~met~ during 1989 amd possibly make an addition to the senior room? Larry Blackstad: Again, your study that Councilman Johnson mentioned, would provide possibly a very good basis for a decision at that point in time but at this point in time... Councilman Boyt: Tnere might be other uses for that money at that point but I would see us in s(m~ way tying the money into our own c(~m~unity center and senior activity there. I have another issue I'd like to check with you. We had mentioned earlier this evening that Carver Beach and Red Cedar Point had been areas where we had used a good bit of housing redevelolmnent money. It would se~n to me that one thing that would also be helpful to those areas would be to have some sort of a neighborhood clean-up program. Now if those areas were eligible for this sort of rebuilding of parts of it, wouldn't they also be eligible to have some sort of clean-up drive. Lar. ry Blackstad: This was, I think Barbara made a slight error in her presentation on that program. The project housing reJn_abilitation is client based. There are no geographic limitations in the co~nunity. It just depends on the clients. We had the situation ~ahere we've had a concentration of 13 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 clients and I think in this case we're talking about 5 or 6 that we've done in the city of Chanhassen at this point in time between those tw~ areas, have came fr~m those parts of the cabin, unity. There's no way, based upon that experience to say that an area is low or moderate i~ from our experience. Councilman Boyt: I follow you. So that's not a possibility? Larry Blackstad: Not unless you want to do a neighborhood income survey and we have a methodology that's been accepted by HUD and a format and everything that the City has to follow. Councilman Boyt: I would suggest that we take this money and tie it in with the senior room in the co~unity center. The reason I would suggest that we not put it towards the s~m~inary is if the bill is anything like $500,000.00, I don't see it happening in the next year. And if it doesn't happen in the next year, these funds would be essentially unallocated. . Mayor Hamilton: No, I disagree. That s~m~inary is going to have to have s(x~ething done to it within the next month. ~ing. It's going to be an expensive proposition whatever happens there. Whether they tear it down or fence it or do something to it but it's got to happen immediately because it's a dangerous situation down there. Councilman Boyt: They will block it off. Excuse me Mr. Blackstad, you did say that you would make a building basically vermin proof, weather proof. Larry Blackstad: An historic structure. Councilman Boyt: It's been there for 100 years. Larry Blackstad: My one caution is, you make a historic structure, you'll never tear it down. Mayor Hamilton: I think we've given staff a lot of ideas on things to look into and we don't have to do anything tonight I don't think. Councilman .Geving moved, Councilman Horn seconded to t~_ble the item. Larry Blackstad: I realize that I'm a visitor but I'm going to have to press the City. I have to go to the Citizen AdvisorY ~ittee on April 19th. with the listing of projects. Not only from Chanhassen but the other 43 cities in our program. In order to meet that deadline which ties me in with the Hennepin County Board Agenda process that brings me to a conclusion of this whole thing in order to meet my deadline with HUD, I'm really going to need an answer from the city by next week. Mayor Hamilton: Prior to the 19th I would think, right? Larry Blackstad: I need it, in order to get my materials ready for the Advisory Committee, like by the 5th of April. Barbara Dacy: 'I have a suggestion. I would propose this. Todd tells me we're looking at demolition of the re~aining buildings sometime this sum~er, we could reallocate Year XIII moneies for demolition which total about $26,000.00. That 14 B~ a] ar, st pr of Co! des May all tha Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 .uld take care of significant amount of costs for that and then if the' Council chose for Year XIV, tonight they could act on for a senior study, $5,~.~. uncilman Geving: Put it all in there. .rry Blackstad: And then reallocate the rest after the study. rbara Dacy: But if there is a pitch that staff would like to make, if you'll low me to do it, we could use the money for the C~ Plan update. Especially ~ sewer policy plan. %hat's a significant portion of the Comp Plan update ~ it's really important to us as far as numbers and Met Council ar~ so on but mt would be, I think that would try to get kind of a compromise situation, we ill could get the d~nolition objectives done this year and still reserve ings for Year XIV and if we do find things don't work out, we can reallocate then. try Blackstad: We do allow you to reallocate. What we ~ is, I ~ a ~gram that I can take to HUD. ~r Hamilton: Let me suggest this then. We could allocate $11,5~.00 for Cc~p Sewer Policy Plan. We could reallocate the $26,5~7.~ for d~molition the renainder of the downtown area, which would still leave us about ,500.00 or s(m~=where around that neighborhood which we could put towards the ~ior study and we could still reallocate some of these things. :bara Dacy: Do we n~ $7,50~.~W? .-fy Blackstad: Yes, if you go $7,500.00 for the one. ~r Hamilton: Okay, $7,5~.~ for the senior study and take the rest' out of demolition so we're not quite as high there. ncilman Johnson: Mr. Blackstad, do we have to do the reallocation at this ~ or the $17,197.~ at this time? fry Blackstad: You have to deal with the $17,197.00. The reallocation is a Istion, as Barb said, there's a whole other public hearing process you have go through for that. ~cilman Johnson: So for tonight we're actually onlyworkingwith the ,197.007 bara Dacy: That' s correct. or Hamilton: Bill, you had a question. ncil~"Boyt: It really Ms in'regards to the '$26,0~B'.Q0. I think the idea giving that to rehab would probably pay benefits to the city in areas that don't have funding allocated and we do have fur~ing allocated for the t. ruction of the appropriate areas of downtown. ~r Hamilton: Since we're dealing with the $17,197.BB tonight then, if we ~cate $11,500.00 to the Comp Plan and the r~nainder to a senior study. No, ~'s not adequate. $7,5~0.0~ to a senior study and the remainder to the Comp City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 Sewer Plan Update. How's that. That will ac~cm~plish what you need, right? It will leave it a little bit short but that's pretty close. Resolution #88-21(b): Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded to allocate $7,500.00 to conduct a study for the senior citizens of Chanhassen and allocating $9,697.00 for the Comprehensive Sewer Policy Plan. All voted in favor and motion carried. ACCEPT TETON LANE FEASIBILITY STUDY, ALTERNATE 4. Mayor Hamilton: We got a lot of info~mation here. I don't know that I ever saw Alternate 4. I'd like to have seen something that w~uld indicate to me what the heck it is. Councilman Horn: That's the one we proposed last time. Mayor Hamilton: I know but I don't see anything here. I know we talked about it. Bill Engelhardt: The reason there w~sn'.t a map included along with the report is that Centex was still working on their alignment for the cul-de-sac in this area. If you recall, in their initial proposal for Phase 2, they had a cul-de-sac included up in the Donovan property and we just received this map today where they had finally worked out the details for the lot sizes in the Phase 2. The change would be, and the way that Phase 2 will cc~e in, Road G will stay all up on their property. ~nese lots will all, I believe will meet the city standards. Concerning Teton Lane, we'll have a 33 foot easement in the rear of the right-of-way and construct a 22 foot bituminous roadway from Lilac Lane up to their property line, the Centex property line. At that point we' re proposing that a barrier be installed and neck the driveway down to a 10 foot bituminous lane and then landscape it with shurbs and bushes in this corner. The reason for that is we wanted to not give the appearance that this roadway would be a through road at s~me point in time and we felt that by going down to a 10 foot bituminous in this area, that would accomplish that. We also felt that the 22 foot wide bituminous roadway that would be constructed would accomodate the traffic from the area. In effect we have one property owner, the Natoli property that would be using that as an ingress/egress point. The Ware's could eventually use it. They do cross the Pickard property to get onto Lilac. They could eventually use it so really our number of property owners that will be using this 22 foot lane is very minimal and it would provide the surface area that would be capable of carrying the ~mergency vehicles in and out. The sections for the proposed roadway as we said in the report, would go from 6 inches of Class V rock to 2 inches of bituminous mat to 10 inches depending on what the soil conditions would dictate out there. We're estimating the cost to use the 10 inches and the 2 inches to give a maxim~ number so we know what w~ should have to work for. Any plan for Teton Lane to be prepared in conjunction with the Phase 2 of Curry Farms, it would go through the process of approval and review by ~ City Engineer prior to construction. I think you did receive a letter from Centex stating they were agreeable and it was feasible and they would be agreeable to carrying the cost. 16 Ci't J~ Ja Bi st ? th in li dc BJ Cx a] sr :y Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 ~r Hamilton: Bill, will the Shakelton, C~meron, Brancel property then, :y'll just have to use Road G, is that correct? .1 Engelhardt: They'll just have to use Road G. I think that's probably the fc alternate for those parcels because they are big enough where they could subdivided and they might have to have additional roads or scmeb(~y might ~ in and put this whole parcel together as one develolm~.t. :k Brancel: I'm the owner of the property back there. Would there be any its associated with that if we're going to be taken off of this Teton Lane brought back onto this Road G around Rsad E and back out again? or Hamilton: I don't believe so. There wouldn't be any assessments. ~cilman Geving: Costs to I~u? ~k Brancel: Yes. ~r Hamilton: No. Nothing. :k Brancel: Okay, that's the only questio~ I had. []cilman Boyt: Tell me ~here you're going to put the snow. [1 Engelhardt: It's a very difficult question. In fact, the directive frcm Council was to look at a cul-de-sac in this area. That's not feasible ~ause of the limited right-of-way. By goirg with the 22 foot wide surface, then have about 5 1/2 to 6 feet on each side of the roadway for snow )rage. It's not like a typical right-of-amy. You should usually have about ko 8 feet but in this case, it's like putting it off to the side. I think .~ "~' turnaround right at this end, we're probably going to have to push it ho this area and maybe leave the pole just across the drivingway and leave ~e kind of an area open on the end and try to move that out onto the field ] try to get the snow in this area. ~hat's about the only think you can do ~ it. mcilman Boyt: I can give you another possibility. Not one I particularly ce. I'm concerned that if we have a barrier there, we ~ to have some way the snow isn't piled up in front of it or it becomes useless. I'd like you take your cul-de-sac that services Lots 12 and 11 and take your temporary rricade and put it down there right across from the corner of Lot 11. Now ye got a cul-de-sac basically. .1 Engelhardt: Then you would use this cul-de-sac, you'd c~me in Lilac, come wn Teton ar~ into this cul-de-sac? Adding another cul-de-sac. uncilman Boyt: I guess we would yes. That has a drawback to it too. ~ . 11 Engelhardt: The key to that, I guess one of the reasons for not doing it s to avoid the traffic on Teton. ~cilman Boyt: I agree that we don't ~ant to put traffic on Teton Lane. I ~ think that to make this workable, we have to have a place that we can put ow relatively easily so it doesn't get stacked up against the barricade. I'm 17 LI City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 somewhat skeptical that that plan is going to do it~ Gary Warren: It's going to come down to our city forces and the particular individual who plows this area to have the marching orders that that's not done. I guess we feel, it's not whether we have the right-of-way or not, they plow the road and the snow builds up on the sides. We'll get it open and use whatever area we need to do that and specific direction will be given to keep the barricade area, don't use the snow as the barricade but keep-that area clean and I see that as a w~rkable situation. Councilman Boyt: How can they take that truck and turn it around in there so they can clean in front of that barricade? I don't understand how they can do that. Bill Engelhardt: I think the 33 feet, if we use a "T" in here, we should be able to get enough so they can come in and probably push it ahead and "~"' it on both sides. Wing it on both sides and take it away from the front and put it on this side and this side. It will happen. We'll have to work with it. It's such a limited area up there. Mayor Hamilton: Except that Mr. Donovan has been very cooperative and I would suspect that if we asked him, he w~uld allow us to put a "T" in at the end of the street there. There's nothing there. It's just a field: -We're not going to be hurting anything if we did it at our expense and returned the property to the way it is now when we're finished with it. I can't imagine he's going to have a problem with that. Councilman Horn: If you're going to put that shrubery in there, you can blade up to the barricade from one side and you can blade up to the shrubery from the other side but the rest of it's going to be filled with snow. How is that going to be an access in the winter? Bill Engelhardt: We're talking about a 10 foot ~lkway in here. You'll have to come in and take that 10 feet out. Clean that out. Councilman Horn: Before you could get a firetruck through you'd have to come and plow it. Bill Engelhardt: No, when be plows snow, when he gets done plowing your cul-de-sac out, then come in and take that out with a front end loader or something. Gary Warren: We go around on our second pass so to speak and we dress up areas that we know are problem areas such as cul-de-sacs and this would be just another one put on the list. Clean out, as Bill said, with a front end loader or bobcat for example would be very useful in that type of a situation. Bill Engelhardt: I think Gary, you do that with hydrants too. Don't you go out and clean around hydrants so it would be the same piece of equipment that you'd be cleaning around hydrants. Councilman Horn: Explain tome again what you're going to put in that area. I thought you were going to put scmething in there so it w~uldn't like a through section. 18 City Council Meeting - March 28~ 1988 Bill Engelhardt: Tne Centex proposal was to, l~u can leave this blank too. You w~uldn't have to put any landscaping in there but it w~uld ~_~ tome I guess, a good idea too that if we w~uld dress that corner up a little bit so. it wasn't all weeds and who's going to take care of it? We don't want to go out there and have to cut that little piece of grass. I suppose y~u could pave it. That's one option to pave the whole thing but it w~uld appear that it w~uld be more attractive as you came into this cul-de-sac area, to give the appearance that it wasn't a through road. If you pave it and you put all the blacktop in there and the barriers, somebody down the line is going to say, that's a right-of-way and you're going to start gettingpetitions to utilize it as a right-of-way. Councilman Horn: How are you going to have Something that you can landscape that you can plow through? Bill Engelhardt: You aren't going to plow through the sides. You're just going to scoop the snow off to get a 10 foot strip just like you w~uld clean around the hydrants. Go in with a front end loader and pull your snow back to make the 10 foot strip. Councilman Horn: Is that a city street then? City maintained street? Gary Warren: Yes. Councilman Horn: It isn't now? GaryWarren: No. Councilman Boyt: I want this barricade to w~rk. Tome, for it to w~rk, one of the things we have to do is make it clear we're not building a permanent barricade here but at s(m~e point, maybe it's 20 years from now, land is going to develop on the other side of these big parcels and when it does, the concept is that the road is going to go through. I think we need to make it pretty clear that someday that road is going to go through because if we hide it, then I can assure you that we're going to get a tremendous petition the day that we decide to open it up. So I'd like to see the area that you've got shaded there, paved. I would even support a sign that said this is a t~m~porary barricade. I want the barricade there because I don't want the traffic but I don't want to mislead anybody into thinking that it's going to be closed forever. John Speakes: I'm with Centex Hemes. If we take that barricade, if you think of the barricade on the diagonal across that road instead of perpendicular, the snowplows are going to go by one side. Gary Warren: We can work out the details during the plans and specs phase so you' 11 have another chance to look at it then. Obviously it needs some more thought here to get it to that point. Kevin Clark: I also am with Centex Hcmes. In anticipating s~me of the questions that would cc~e up tonight, I spoke with the Natoli's and mentioned to ~ that basically what we have is a situation of a deadend and there would be s~me backing up of city vehicles ar~ such. I proposed-to th~m that ~entex 19 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 would improve a 10 foot apron so that in essence, we would deed it over to the City to have an area to back up into ar~ you're not backing up into a rutted area. What we ~anted to do was put in an improved apron on the Natoli property. I had talked to then before the meeting so there's a place to properly back up in. Councilman Geving: I think it's important though, if we do this with the driveway at the Natoli's, the Natoli's may not always live on that property over the next few years until that is developed. I would hope that we would have some kind of an agreement with the Natoli's that is binding on the future homeowners as well. Mayor Hamilton: We'll get an easement. Councilman Geving: Okay, we'll get the easement necessary to do that because I can see that as a potential future problem. I did talk to the Natoli's and they are more than willing to use their land. Bill Engelhardt: After listening to discussion, if we took that 10 foot strip and made it 22 and just carried it all the way through, that would solve it. Mayor Hamilton: Seeing how Mr. Natoli is here, I'll ask him. Everybody has been telling us that you agreed that we may be able to back our trucks up during plowing to use a part of your property so they can turn around. Would you be agreeable to an easement so we could do that? Mr. Natoli: Perfectly alright. Bruce Cameron: I just had a question about Teton Lane. There has been talk at one time that Centex was going to purchase that and deed it over to the city. Is that the case? Mayor Hamilton: 7hat's what is being accomplished here, right. Bruce Cameron: So at some point in time the property owners could be assessed if that street was put through there and brought up to the city standards? Gary Warren: If it was brought up to full city standards. Councilman Geving: Potentially. Mayor Hamilton: Yes, full city standards. Someday. Councilman Boyt: I think we should follow up on this gentleman's comment that, were you here two weeks ago when we discussed this? Bruce Cameron: No I wasn't. Councilman Boyt: Tne plan is to not upgrade this road until that property is developed over there at which time there would be a much larger group of people that would be assessed for it. Bruce Cameron: Thank you. I was in the hospital. 20 C~ty Council Meeting - March 28 ~ 1988 Ji~ Donovan: I'm just w~ndering,, were you saying that you're not going to a-4sess it until the property develops? Like my property w~uld be developed. You w~uldn't be doing any assessing until that time? ' : M~yor Hamilton: That's correct. Could I ask you a questio~ too Jim? I'm sorry, I didn't see you c~me in. We had talked again about the availability of having our trucks when they're plowing, turn arour~t at the er~ of that street. I !was wondering if you would be amendable also to just a "T" at the end of the s~reet so the truck could pull in there and back up and turn around. If we c~uld get an eas~m~ent fr~n you and develop it at our own expense? Jim Donovan: Yes. Councilman Horn: I'd like to finish my question. You w~re saying we would have a 2 inch bit~ninous coating on this? Bill Engelhardt: ~nat's right. C~uncilman Horn: Similar to a driveway? Bill Engelhardt: ~nat' s correct. C~uncilman Horn: Do you know what garbage trucks can do to a driveway? How 10ng do you expect that to last? Bill Engelhardt: I really don't have a problem with it. With a 2 inch mat with a base that's constructed properly. We talked about that last week. It's the base that creates or doesn't create a problem and if that's constructed properly, I don't think the 2 inches will have a problem. You find in the city streets that 2 inches is almost the starxtard section. COuncilman Horn: The other thing I read in here is that everything we put in now will come out when it's brought up to city standard so there will be no benefit in what we're doing now to a final street? Bill Engelhardt: That's correct. Councilman Horn: It ~ kind of a waste. Is there anyway we could do s(~mething that would be more p~rmanent at a later date? Gary Warren: ~e reason that that statema~t is true is because of the work that would be done with the utilities and normally we run the utilities down the center of the road in that eas~mm~t area so by the time you get done excavating the trenches for the utilities, you've basically destroyed the subbase and you have to come back and rebuild that. That's the reason ~hy we couldn't take advantage of what we're putting in now. Councilman Horn: And you couldn't go besides it or make s~me provision for that now? Gary Warren: The utilities? Councilman Horn: Yes. 21 City Council ~%~eting - March 28, 1988 Gary ~arren: We try to be creative and if w~'ve got some existing cor~ition that is worth salvaging, Church Road for example where we're looking at the south end of Church Road, even though we've got the Metropolitan Com~ission is going to be installing our full road section out there, the Carlson property is going to be putting in the sanitary sewer on the west side outside of our road section so we don't have to bust up that road section. So we do, if the situation dictates it, we will try to be creative and put our utilities in other areas. I think in this case, it all depends on how the development goes and we'll certainly keep that in mind. Councilman Horn: I really have trouble with this. What it all boils down to is we're doing all this just for a potential secondary access requirement at some point. Tne City is going to have to plow a section of street now that it didn't have to plow. We're going to have to put in a chunk of pavement that is totally temporary. I really question the benefit of this whole thing based on this. Now if there could be something of a permanent nature for a future plan I could see it but I really have to question this. Mayor Hamilton: Wouldn't you be able to salvage the Class V out of there? Gary h~arren: Yes, you' re not going to totally lose it but it gets contaminated as a result. We did, in the downtown here for example, we salvaged a lot of material there so those things are feasible. It's just a matter of what the proposed improvements would be and how you could justify the salvaging of them. Councilman Geving: Centex Homes are here tonight. Is there someone here who can speak for the corporation? Do you agree with the recomnendation in the Council's packet tonight that you would pay for not only the street but the expanded scope of the Alternate ~4 study? Kevin Clark: I can't say I agree totally but I'd like to get beyond this. Councilman Geving: That's good enough for me. Resolution 988-25: Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded to approve the Teton Lane Feasibility Study Alternate 94, Curry Farm Subdivision Phase 2, File 987-16 with the recommendation that the expense for implementation of this alternate study be borne solely by Centex H~nes. It is further recon~nended that the developer be responsible for reimbursing the City for it's consultant's expenses in preparation of this study, namely $3,700.00. Further, that design details for the upgrade of Teton Lane in accordance with the criteria laid out in Alternate 94 shall be suhnitted for approval to the City Engineer and the City Council as a part of the plans and specifications approval process for Curry Farms Second Addition. All voted in favor except Councilman Horn who opposed and motion carried. APPROVAL OF PLUMBING/HEATING INSPECTOR IN CONJUNCTION WITH HEATING PERMIT AND FEE SCHEDULE. Mayor Hamilton: ~nis was an item we looked at last week and I had asked the Council to table it until such time as we had an opportunity to review the total staffing needs within the City. I think I've asked for that about a 22 Ci Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 hu~red times now and I still haven't eve~ gotten a reply fr~ anyone so I wo~ld go along with approving the request from the Public Safety Director to go ~ with a full time position with the continge~--y that w~ do review staff ne~s. Councilman Geving: Let me ask you, now this may be a second item but would thus be a position that wa would advertise for? There is a recommendation... Ma~r Hamilton: We already have advertised for it. Councilman Geving: Have you received car~idates? Councilman Horn: This is it. Ma~or Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded to approve the amendment to th~ 1988 budget to include a full-time Plumbing/Heating Inspector with the ~ tingency that the city review the total staffing ~s within the City. All voted in favor and motion carried. ~ ~-[:- ~!~]% ~ RD OF BIDS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE P~BrJC WORKS GARAGE CONTRACT. Re~olution #88-26: Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Boyt seconded to award the bif of the public works expansion project 987-22 to Fullerton Ltm~ber Company of Chs ska, Minnesota for a base bid of $222,850.~ ar~ that the City accept Alternate No. 3 with the addition of $1,800.00 for skylig~s and Alternative No~ 4 for an addition of $10,660.00 for repairs of the existing roof for a to~l bid award of $235,310.00. All voted in favor and motion carried. { Cogncilman Johnson: I'd like a slight discussion on the source of the money that's been budgeted and what's the effect on our budget that it appears wa now have another $80,000.00 into the budget ar~ can that be converted? One of my big concerns, like Tom is talking about here, is on personnel and mine again is . put lic safety and reinstituting a CSO program where wa have park patrol next year is a high priority to me and I'm wondering if this might be $80,000.00 thst we could reallocate to where wa get the additional police coverage. Ma~or Hamilton: T~e CSO program is going to be reinstituted. As wa discussed o~ last ~.-cting on the 14th, wa had some grant monies to use for that plus I hink it was $5,~00.00 that wa allocated to that program so wa have enough  ies to have a full-time CSO officer aboard for the renainder of this year. n wa ~ to look at it next year. ~vilman Johnson: I've just gotten a lot of cc~ment lately frcm people on isibility of our patrols in town. The only time they see a sheriff's car on .~y block is when they come to deliver my packet every other week. Ma~or Hamilton: Public Safety discussed that last w~ek and that ~s a high pr~ority~ iten. We decided to move ahead with that. Do~ Ashworth: Going along with that, in fact there %~s some misinterpretation of;the recommendation I made in total, wa're looking to $15,000.00 associated wi~ that Oc~munity Service Officer program so that will put us back to a level 23 ; City Council Meeting - March 28~ 1988 of funding for two persons similar to what we've had before and I feel very confident that that level of staffing can provide the park issues that you're talking about. In regards to the dollars and how wemay use sc~e of those when we complete the expansion. The one thing that I've been very, very worried about is we're looking to both public works expansion as well as city hall. As we've been going through numbers and we've been bringing items back to City Council, we've been talking about let's do this additional portion and this additional portion. In comparison to total funding that had ~n set aside more than a year ago, I had been very, very nervous that we are not creating another Eastcliff type of situation in the City of Chanhassen. I asked Gary to move ahead with the public works. Tne dollars, we would make those work but I'll be honest with you, we were using up every bit of contingency associated with all of those allocations and I became very nervous when we started talking again about the City Hall expansion and the miscellaneous things that can cane up as a part of that. When I saw these bids come in, I was just thrilled because what it does do is it takes the pressure off of our total building program. I'd like to put this in combination with our City Hall. See what happens in that expansion and if there are dollars then available for any other types of programs where reallocation could occur, let's handle them at that point in time. POSITION CLASSIFICATION PLAN, FINALIZE 1988 REVIEW PROCESS. Don Ashworth: If the Council would like to proceed with this iten this evening, fine. I have not dropped the ball in terms of two items. One, the Mayor had just brought out. The continuing study of the positions and where we basically stand, etc.. I have following the presentation of the updated position classification plan but there were some questions as to what it was staff had come through or had prepared as a part of that updating process. I have gone back to the League of Cities through a contract that they have with Labor Relations Associates. We have totally reanalyzed the overall plan. Where we are with that entire program. How that canpares to the multi-city jurisdictional study. ~hat I would propose doing is to put that work in combination with the process that we had started several years ago where a fellow employee of Mayor Hamilton had been enployed by the City to update our position classification plan at that point in time. I mentioned to Tc~ that I stand ready to go through this latest work with that individual if he would consider an additional contract. Again, I have employed and completed the work now with Labor Relations Associates. ~ney are prepared to come in and go through their reanalysis of that whole process. Whether or not that should change the review of my position or what timing wemay want to carry out as a part of this overall study issue and whether or not, again going along with what T~n had brought out, that he would like to see this broadened into the police and fire area, because that is not included as a part of the work that I had completed today. We would have to go into a specialized study area such as the one completed for the small town in New York, which I did go through that study with Tom. I think that we're in a position of bringing back each of those different it~n areas. I think in terms of my particular position in what we're doing there, that should not really be held back. Let's do some of this other work but if the Council would like to see and hear some of these other professionals in advance of handling this particular item, I would be more than willing to wait. 24 Ci' COl out Dot pfc Do£ ac( St~ th~ Tn, int wit had 5f Cou pla Don Cou pro Don Cou as cla rea. May y Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 137 ncilman Boyt: I'd like a simple, like in 25 words or less, what do we get of doing that? Ashworth: Out of doing what? ncilman Boyt: Out of having other professionals c~me in and review a gram. Tell me the result very simply. Ashworth: I feel confident that what we have cc~pleted is correct, urate and meets the standards of State Law. There were questions raised ar~ t had been presented before, as to whether or not it properly reflected the te Law in what our people are, where they are in comparison to other cities· ncilman Boyt: Put simply Don, what you're saying is, the sense you got ~s the people weren't being properly paid for the size job they were in. were either too high or too low. Is that the drift of this whole thing? Ashworth: The reanalysis that was presented, the posit'ion classification n that you adopted, modified certain of the scales to represent the multi- ~ study and that was done in-house to make those o0mparisons. I sensed stions by the Council as to whether or not staff had properly made those erpretations and extraction comparisons. That is the reason we did proceed .~ bringing in at least one additional consultant to look at everything we done and I stand ready again to use the consultant that had ~n used 4 to _~ars ago to also provide that information to you. ncilman Boyt: I weuld gather than when we have consultants review this .~, that it costs the city some money to do that. Ashworth: That's correct but one of the reasons I went back through the ]ue of Cities and the contracts that exist with Labor Relations is that work be done at one-tenth of the cost if we would go out to a typical ~ultant .... personnel Officer who used to ~Drk with Mayor Hamilton, that [vidual charged us basically little or nothing to do that work. If mmember correctly, it was $200.00 to $300.00. ~cilman Boyt: So you're proposing to spend $500.00 or less to have this ram reviewed one more time? Ashworth: $500.00 has already been expended. If we would use the Ltional consultant, it could potentially be an additional $300.00 more than · cilman Boyt: It would be myposition that we put this to rest and pass it is without further review· ~ilman Geving: I also believe that we ought to move on with Don's position 3sification. At some point in here, we're already almost to April and Don Llyhasn't had his review yet. Isn't that true? )r Hamilton: I know. It would have been done by tonight but he was )rtunatelybeen on vacation and sick for about a month. 25 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 Councilman Geving: But the point is though, I believe that you can handle that T~m, as w~ normally do. Mayor Hamilton: I would like to have the rest of the Council review it and Don and I will review it and everybody will have an opportunity to see it and make comments on it. Councilman Johnson: I was wondering, next Monday night we have our special meeting, work session, it doesn't sound like you've got your report out yet. Don Ashworth: I think we can have it done by then. Councilman Johnson: So this can be s~mething that can come to us Monday night. Councilman Boyt: As far as the overall classification plan, I would think we could vote and finalize that tonight. To drag this out is pointless. Councilman Johnson: If we finalize it tonight, there's no need to see the final report fr~m the consultant. Councilman Boyt: ~nere's no need to get the report from the consultant. Councilman Boytmoved, Councilman Horn seconded to approve finalizing the 1988 review process for the Position Classification Plan. All voted in favor and motion carried. COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS: Mayor Hamilton: Dale, was it you who wanted to talk about a joint HRA and Council meeting? Councilman Geving: I think it kind of goes along with what you're talking about in your part of this. Bill Boyt brought it up at the last meeting and I just want to pursue it longer, since we've got a chance tonight. I would like to see us once and for all, before the construction season starts in the co~pletion of our downtown redevelol.'ment, to come to an understanding with the HRA over certain things. One is what are we going to do with the old Village Hall. I will not rest easy until that building is square with 78th Street. I just feel bad about the way this looks. I've taken so much heat just like everybody else on the Council and ridicule. Let's talk about that. Let's talk .about what we're going to do with the devil's triangle there in front of the Pony Express. I thought that the best thing to do, since we kind of gave this to HRA to resolve but we have ~ input in this and this is something that we have a lot of concern for so I was going to request that at our next HRA meeting or the next Council meeting, we could have a meeting together and discuss this together and come to some conclusions before we move ahead with the final develo~ent of the downtown. I was going to suggest. 4-21. I don't know what your schedule is on that night Clark for HRA but I don't think it would be too far advance so the work would be, or is it going to be? Don Ashworth: Is there a way we could handle this as a part of this meeting for this next week? 26 Cit~ Council Meeting h March 28, 1988 Councilman Gevirg: It's very possible~ Don'~.Ashw~rth: My concern is that the contract w~rk will be starting very, very shortly. Councilman Geving: My concern is that we just don't want things to get going and '!finalized ar~ then the HRA and the Council members still have these reservations about what's happened down there and we haven't got a chance to char~3e it. MayOr Hamilton: Let's do it on next Mm~day. We can make our views known and we ~an pass ~ onto HRA. : Don 'Ashworth: I would like to use that as an opportunity, if I may Mayor... Mayor Hamilton: To invite HRA members? Don :Ashworth: Yes, we should have HRA msmbers. · May~.r Hamilton: I thought maybe we were talkirg about potentially not having a joi~t meeting. Just discussing it ourselves and coming to a conclusion of what we want to do and them pass that on to the HRA but if the HRA members can make it, 'fine. If they can't, I think we ought to discuss it anyway. Don lAshworth: What I'd like to do is really update the City Council on the total acquisitions and where we're at in that whole process downtown. We have not had a real opportunity to talk about what it is that the HRA has completed. Whe=e we stand with each of the various negotiations for the downtown parcels and-I think that the process has been very good and I don't think that Council m~m~ers have received a lot of negative c~mm~nts regarding what has been occ~.rring and I think you would very m~ch welcome or you should be a part of tha~ process of ~here we stand with each of those individual owners. Councilman Johnson: As far as that's going, I've ~ startirg to have a little nagging, one of the big things of the ~hole downtown was the apartments was ~going to be a money generater. It was goir~ to help pay off sc~e of the other things. Now it does not look like that's going to happen. Cou~ilmanMm: It never was. · May~r Hamilton: We can discuss that too. I had a couple of ibmms I wanted to discuss briefly with you. The Public Safety fk~mission last Thursday night talked about West 78th Street at some length since we've had several cc~memts fr~ the church, Pastor Caston's church. T~y're having difficulty getting their parishioners and children, especially across the street for their church ' sergice ar~ for their bible study classes during the ~k. There does ~ to be considerable a~ount of speeding on West 78th Street. The Public Safety C~ission was in favor of perhaps having scme radar om West 78th Street a~t I'm~ r~inded and I r~inded them of when you go into Excelsior down CR 17 and you!get into Shorewood, for a number of years it seemed like there was always a police officer sitting just over the hill and it's interesting now, when you drive in there, everybody slo~ down. I'm just amazed. Everyb(xty is right down. to 30 as soon as you hit the top of the hill and I see no reason ~ we 27 -~] m'~. /, ~ - -~'- ~L~"-'C-ity Council Meebing - March 28, 1988 can't do the same thing on W~st 78th Street. It's too busy a street and there are too many children up there going across and citizens crossing the street to get to a place of business, to allow speeding and illegal passing and everything else so if the Council would like, we can tell Jim to go ahead and to start a program of radar patrolling and to tag people. I don't think we should even give them a warning. Just tag th~m and say, you better slow down. Councilman Johnson: I think there are several places in the city that we should establish as our known s~-traps. That's what Shorewood has physically done. They've got a beautiful little hill that they can hide behind. Mayor Hamilton: We've talked quite a bit about 78th Street and the problems there and we're trying to help Nate Castin's resolve his issues. We suggested that perhaps we could get a flag monitor out there like they have at the school so their people can cross during their service and during their worship. I think Jim was going to check into that to see if they could do that. Legally if there's any problem with that. Parking was also a problem. I don't know if you guys have ever gone up there on Sunday morning, past Kenny's on Great Plains and 78th Street, you get to the corner and you've got cars now lining both sides and you're kind of taking your life in your hands trying to make a left turn because you can't see so we're going to try to get the cars further away from the corner so you can "-.~c traffic from both directions. I might just take a second here to draw a little picture. There was another suggestion that was brought up and hopefully it's something we can do. What I thought we. might be able to do is we've taken one no parking sign down that was in here so there nobody can park along here but the church has cc~ented that they have no place to drop off at the church, children or handicapped people. There's no access for them so I thought if there's room in here, if we could do a drivethrough type of thing like this with a drop off with an island type of thing or Don suggested instead of doing that, you could just cut out here, like the boulevard portion all the way down and part of this would be designated as drop off and this could be used for parking. Just a thought to try to alleviate the handicap ramp there and people could pull up to get into the church and our future park here. Councilman Geving: Would you have to excavate along the north side of the church then with your proposal? Mayor Hamilton: You've got a sidewalk and a boulevard and Don thought perhaps you could take the boulevard out and move the curb over and pick up 4 or 5 feet to add to the parking spaces. We would probably just designate a park with a handicap ramp. Councilman Geving: I don't think I'd be very much in favor of the first idea of that turn in there. We don't have much roc~ in that Heritage Park there anyway. Mayor Hamilton: I'd like to be able to have people use the park. We don't have any handicap ramps anyplace down here. Councilman Geving: If you do that then Tom and this all goes along with this overall proposal on the old City Hall, you'd have to move the old City Hall back which I'd like to see done anyway, quite a ways, then that could work. 28 Cit~ Council Meeting - March 28~ 1988 The~e isn't much rocm bet~---~n-- the street ar~ that old City Hall. May?r Hamilton: This would just swing in a few feet. You don't ~ much Councilman Johnson-' I think w~th our joint ~ n~'.~',~ting, havo BI~ take a look at · Councilman Horn: Are w~ planning to have regular church services in that after tl~ mov~ out? Is that om: lor~ rar~je plan? Mayor Hamilton: Nate has cc~men~ to me that there are at least two churches whd have approached him about using it after they're gone. councilman Horn: Is that going to be doing that as a part of the Heritage Park plan? Mayor Hamilton: If there's ma~eone ~ho can use, I see no reason why they shouldn ' t. CoUncilman Geving: 7he best thing that could happen to a building like that is CoUncilman Horn: I'm just asking, what is our plan. Do we have a plan? Don Ashworth: We really should look to a reuse of that. We did receive a notification from thsm that they will be vacating basically a year fr~n now so we 'do have a period of time in here to look at a potential reuser. We have a 5 year lease on that building for $1.~ and we entered into that 6 years ago so we'~re 1 year into the second 5 year lease period. But the cost of maintenance of ithat facility is tremendous so without having a user into that facility, om: cost structure would be roughly $8,0~.0~ to $14,~.0~ per year as an operational cost for that facility. Getting a reuser in there and having them pay that cost if far to our advantage. Mayor Hamilton: The other thing I wanted to bring up tonight ~ms develola~ent co~tracts. Gary, you've ~ developing a new generic develolm~nt contract. I'd like to __-~c us put s0met/~ing in there dealing with an outlot situation where you have, ar~ I'll use Pheasant Hills as an example because that's where this came to me from. Tmey have an outlot there that's a retention pond for drainage. It's not buildable. It's not useable. It just is a por~. I think in 'the wintertime the City ~ keeps it clear for kids to skate on. ~hat piece of property is assessed at $38,~0.~0 by the County and the taxes on it are unbelievable for an unuseable piece of ground. So somewhere in our develo~ contract, I'd like to see us say who and when do we take care of these outlot situations that we require a developer to put in. Whether it's a re,~_=ntion pond or whatever it's for so they don't r~main on the books like these do. There are back taxes against this property now. He doesn't want to pay the~. The City doesn' t want to pay ths~. We made him put the~ in there. How do you get rid of the problem ar~ it was never resolved as to when it ms going to happen and who was going to do it. Gazy Warren: Most of the outlots now, we are taking fee Ownership on the~. Es~ecially those for stormwater retention or other uses. It's a watershed 29 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 issue also in that who maintains them if the City doesn't own them and you do want to maintain th~n from a water quality standpoint. Mayor Hamilton: It sounds like it should be in there that it would say who is going to own them and when are they going to own then just so it's clear to the developer when that happens. Maybe the developer in some cases wants to retain ownership. That's fine. In this case they don't but they've still got them and they don ' t want them. Gary Warren: We probably will eventually be dealing with that on a city basis because they are obviously with the more the Watershed Districts get their act together as far as trying to get us to get our maintenance program organized, we will be addressing access to these retention basins that we don't own plus co~mi~nt of some of our resources for maintenance facilities. I think the place to handle it is in the special provisions like we do with any of the plats that come in here. We look at specifically call up or ownership on outlots when they are to our purpose and that would be the place to put tbam. I would imagine in that case that would probably be tax forfeiture if that's the case on then. Don Ashworth: We w~nt through a period of time where developers wanted those and now they're coming back. You've got that Reichert Addition on the north side of Lotus Lake. East Lotus Lake Estates. The Rick Murray piece in there. Both of those ran into a similar type of situation. Back taxes. They decided they didn' t really want them and we have taken those back but it has been an excruciatirg process in that we do have this tax burden. The City's not just ready to jump in and pay $38,000.00 or whatever it happens to be for these back taxes. Mayor Hamilton: That's just want the Assessor has but it's not worth anything. It's Worth something as a retention area and that's it. Councilman Geving: That's something we could bring up whenever we meet with the Assessor. Councilman Horn: We can all see the scenario now. It gets take over by the City, we talk to the Assessor, it gets down to some reasonable number and the developer say, it w~s just a city guise to get control of the property. Councilman Geving: I don't think so. Gary Warren: Mst of the developers have those retention problems because it does have a maintenance liability for them. We're going to be looking at toughening up our own standards in terms of some of these skhnner devices and these pumper devices that we know are, 5 years down the road are going to be maintenance headaches for us. A little more appropriate type of construction for skin~ner... WATER RESERVOIR COLOR SELECTION, CITY ENGINEER. Mayor Hamilton: I would just like to say, I talked to Art last week and they had selected a color other than what we had selected. Gee, that's great. Whatever color you want, we'd be happy to put on there and I still think, and 3~ ~ Oouncil Meeting -March 28, 1988 ~ntioned to him, I said, how about painting the bottom part with some trees the thing. I don't know what that w~uld cost but I still think that's a ~ idea. Have someone go up there. It doesn't have to be an exact tree but ~ it a rough, so the inside at the tree level looks like trees back there. said, boy would that be nice. ~hey w~re in favor of that. I don't know ~t addition it would cost but they would certainly be in favor of it and I .nk it would make it look nicer. Ga: .'y Warren: I think if you look at scmething along with the park program up t~;re. We want to get the base coat, with the current color selection would be a pretty easy coat to put s~ing on top of. We want to make sure w~ get a go~d base coat underneath there. That would be s~mething w~ could look at co~ts of any kind of a design on the bottom there. Mayor Hamilton: Evergreens or something so it w~uld add scme color during the winter. Make it blend in as ~ as possible. So is this color that you have on}here, B882, is that a blue type? ~y Warren: That is cumulus, as they call it and. I think it's pretty accurate. That will really ble~d in with the top. And w~ will make ano~ mailing to the neighbors so those ~ho thought it was going to be brown and see itichanging, won't be surprised. CoUncilman Horn: Does this mean w~ won't put our maple leaf on it? Ga~y Warren: No, w~'re still planning on using the maple leaf. : Co~m~cilman Boyt: When you send the letter out, the next letter, I think you s~uld advise t~ that this was in response to citiz~ input. Ma¥°r Hamilton: And then tell ~ we're considering painting trees on the bottom and maybe ask ~ for their thoughts on that. Ma~or Hamilton moved, Oouncilman Johnson seconded to approve painting the Water ReServoir the color B882, c%mm~lus and to investigate the possibility of pa.inting some kind of trees on the base on the reservoir to the top of the tree level. Ail voted in favor and motion carried. , DoS Ashworth: I will be testifying tomorr~ down in front of the legislature. This is regarding our tax increment district ar~ our ability to extend the n~ber of years basically to take care of the TH 101 funding. This is an issue we lpreviously talked about with City Council. State legislature is not very... with tax increment fur~ing and there is a lot of discussion at that level as to value of it and not value of it. Hennepin County in that entire process not overly happy with the City of Chanhassen's ability to extend our economic develo~m%ent district into the down~ area. Most of the acquisitions ha~e in fact taken place but they have introduced a bill for the legislature ar~ it is part of the oawainous tax bill at this point in time that would di'.~allow the expenditure of dollars generated in one county to be spent in another county. On the basis of my discussions with the LaFevre firm, this action would take affect on April 1st if the legislation in fact gets passed. What we have done as a part of our original plan, was to allocate acquisition 31 City Council Meeting - March 28, 1988 of the LeBalla, part of Riveria Cafe, Bernie Hansen and Cennex Properties as a part of that expanded economic develolanent district. All of those acquisitions have now been completed and we do meet the full portion of State Law with the one exception of the Bernie Hansen and the Cennex property which those purchases have not been consummated. Tne acquisitions have been complete in terms of arriving at an budgetary number, agreeing to that amount with the HRA, agreeing to that amount with the two property owners and I sincerely believe that within the next two weeks, we will have consummated those actual purchases. To insure that this city is protected regarding any potential change in the state law as generated frc~ Hennepin County, I would recommend, and this is based on our City Attorney and the LaFevre firm's recommendation, that I obtain from the City Council a resolution authorizing those acquisitions in accordance with the budgets that have already been established. The monies would be put into a trust deposit with the Grannis firm to assure that those dollars remain valid dollars for when those actual acquisitions occur. Again, I apologize for bringing this at the late moment but the legislation changes just occurred in the last week. We have done significant lobbying in terms of Chanhassen's position and as a part of that, I also would like to thank Sidney Pauly who is sponsoring the bills on the House side in combination with Becky and Bob Schmitz for their work but I do need to take and get this one consummated this evening, which again would nothing more than place those dollars that we've already allocated into a trust account to assure that they be available for those acquisitions. Mayor Hamilton: What subcommittee are you meeting? Don Ashworth: It's not a subcommittee but Becky has one, her name is Pat Fest who is a member of I think the Tax Comnittee who she feels could be a very influencing factor. We're down into some tie votes situations. Mayor Hamilton: I'm just wondering which committee. This is the tax committee? DOn ~hworth: Yes. Mayor Hamilton: And it does have to do with the TH 1017 Don Ashworth: Yes. What I'll be doing tomorrow, this issue does not have anything to do with TH 101. This preserves our dollars for our downtown acquisitions. They are two separate issues. Resolution ~88-27: Councilman Horn moved, Councilman Johnson seconded a resolution authorizing acquisition monies into a trust account for future acquisitions for the downtown redevelol:ment project. All voted in favor and motion carried. Councilman Geving moved, Councilman Horn seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and motion carried. The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m.. Sukn~itted by DOn Ashworth, City Manager Prepared by Nann Opheim 32