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CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 25, 2008
Mayor Furlong called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. The meeting was opened with the
Pledge to the Flag.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
Mayor Furlong, Councilman Litsey, Councilwoman
Ernst, Councilwoman Tjornhom, and Councilman McDonald
STAFF PRESENT:
Todd Gerhardt, Laurie Hokkanen, Kate Aanenson, Paul Oehme, and Todd
Hoffman
PUBLIC PRESENT:
Charlie & Julie Littfin 7609 Laredo Drive
Tim Odzer 18381 Overland Trail
Rick Dorsey 1551 Lyman Boulevard
Jerry & Janet Paulsen 7305 Laredo Drive
Tom Workman 181 South Shore Court
Dave S. Walid 17 Raven Road
Larry Anderson 400 Cimarron Circle
Richard Wrase 405 Cimarron Circle
David Remington 7611 Laredo Drive
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Mayor Furlong: Good evening and welcome everybody. We’re pleased to see those who have
joined us here in the council chambers, as well as those watching at home. We’re glad that you
joined us. This evening we’re going to start our meeting with the oath of office for Jerry
McDonald so Mr. McDonald, why don’t you meet me down in the front.
OATH OF OFFICE:
Mayor Furlong administered the Oath of Office to Jerry McDonald.
Mayor Furlong: Well Jerry welcome. Congratulations. We’re looking forward to you serving
with us and bringing your experiences from the Planning Commission and over your career to
the council so thank you and welcome.
Councilman McDonald: Well thank you very much Mr. Mayor and councilmen and
councilwomen. I appreciate it and I did watch the, your last meeting and I appreciate all the kind
words and I just hope I can live up to your expectations, so thank you.
Mayor Furlong: At this time I’ll just ask members of the council if there’s any modifications or
adjustments to the agenda. If not, without objection we’ll proceed as distributed.
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CONSENT AGENDA:Councilwoman Ernst moved, Councilman McDonald seconded to
approve the following consent agenda items pursuant to the City Manager’s
recommendations:
a. Approval of Minutes:
-City Council Work Session Minutes dated February 11, 2008
-City Council Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated February 11, 2008
Resolution #2008-10:
b. Wells 12 & 13, Projects 08-04 & 08-05: Accept Bids and Award
Contract for Raw Watermain.
c. Meadow Green Park Pond: Award Engineering Contract.
d. Accept Quote for 2008 Boulevard Tree Planting Program.
e. Approval of 2008 Key Financial Strategies.
Resolution #2008-11:
f. Approve Amendment to Precinct Boundary Line Between
Precinct 3 & 4.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS:
None.
LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE.
Mayor Furlong: Good evening Sergeant.
Sgt. Peter Anderley: Good evening Mayor, council. A couple of, first thing you got the reports
and the numbers. Look through that. If there’s any questions I’d be happy to answer that.
Otherwise really the only thing I have for you is a couple of incidents I’d like to make the
council aware of that happened over the last couple of months. Both related to burglaries in the
city. The first one happened back in January. One of our officers, early morning hours was
patrolling the Middle School West off of 41. Happened to catch a couple shadows by the
building. Discovered it was two young men attempting to break into the middle school up there.
A third one was captured down the road waiting in kind of a getaway car situation. So no
damage was done. We were able to prevent that one before it happened. Some good police
work and you know I think it was like 12:30-1:00 in the morning when this occurred. The
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second thing just happened February 18. We had a report of a burglary over at Heritage
Apartments off of Chan View. I want to say the report came in about 8:30 in the morning.
Within a few hours we got a call from Bloomington PD. They had come across a couple of
suspicious individuals at a stolen car fire that was unrelated to our burglary. However these
suspects were in the area. The officer started talking to them. They noticed some equipment in
the back of their vehicle. Their stories weren’t making sense. Through the investigation they
discovered the stolen property from our apartment building, and ultimately turned it over. Our
day guys and our investigations worked with them and they’re, we have charges out and they’re
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awaiting trial currently on a suspect in the burglary so. Two actual burglaries that are out there
but we’re getting some accomplished I guess with some luck and some good police work out
there. The other thing I’d like to remind everybody, I know the weather’s hopefully going to
start getting a little nicer. Just remind everybody, the public and everything that snow bird
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ordinance, winter parking rules are still in effect until April 1. Just as a reminder. We’re
getting into some of the nicer, warmer days. We’re starting to get some people parking out there
and just want to remind everybody of that. Second thing I brought a couple of deputies here that
I’d like to introduce that just started working the Chanhassen area, if they want to come up here.
First is Deputy Robert Rudd. He works the Monday through Friday day shift in Chan so if you
see him around, stop and say hi. He’s been with the sheriff’s office about 2 years. Was recently
over in Victoria working some nights so now he’s come to days and driving around Chanhassen
and getting to know this area. Second person is Deputy Mike McCurahan. He’s also been with
the sheriff’s office about 2 years. He was working nights out in the Waconia-Watertown area.
Still on nights but he’ll be working early Sunday, Monday and Tuesdays here in the city of Chan.
They both live in the county and are pretty happy to be here I think so.
Mayor Furlong: Very good. Thank you.
Sgt. Peter Anderley: That’s all I have. Any other questions for me?
Mayor Furlong: Any questions for the Sergeant this evening? Just a quick question as we’re
coming into the year. One of the items on our work plan was the addition of a couple new
positions this year, and a question is just, the first one I think we want to emphasize was the
inspector and your comments about the… Are we on track?
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Sgt. Peter Anderley: Yep. The investigator will be up here starting March 3 so he’ll be
coming real short. Many of you probably remember, it’s going to be Detective Bob Zydowsky.
Bob worked for the City of Chan probably 8-9 years ago as a public safety officer so he’s really
looking forward to getting back up here and being part of Chan again. And that’s on track, like I
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say, he’ll be, have his office in city hall starting March 3.
Mayor Furlong: Good, thank you. Any other questions? No? Very good. Thank you Sergeant.
Appreciate the update. Chief Geske is here with our fire department. Good evening Chief.
Chief Greg Geske: Good evening. Just a couple things I’d like to go over in addition to the
numbers and such that we had. We did have the house fire, which I mentioned there. I’d like to
thank, of course they left now but the sheriff’s department for the help that they do at our fires.
They’re usually getting there about the same time we are with our initial response people and
they always help quadrant off the area. Notify us of hydrants that are located and stuff and it’s
good to have them around. We did also use one of their asp to break out a window because we
didn’t have a tool. Of course we used the wrong end and wrecked their asp but so, it was awful
nice of them to volunteer this piece of equipment that we didn’t know how to use but it worked
to break the window out anyway so, but I did want to publicly thank them for everything that
they do. It was a cold night. Being 7 degrees below 0 and we called mutual aid from 4 different
departments to rotate people out because our air packs froze up as soon as people would come
out and they’d be wet. Our clothing gets pretty stiff and solid as soon as it freezes up so. We are
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starting in the process of adding some additional fire fighters. Not additional one but some new
ones I should say. Anticipating some retirements or attrition that we have, and we are starting
that interview process. We do have quite a few individuals that put in applications so it’s good
to see that. There’s a lot of departments across Minnesota that have trouble getting people just to
apply, so it’s neat to see that in Chanhassen here we have quite a few to select from so. We will
be participating again this year with the Lion’s, with our annual pancake breakfast that’s held at
the fire station, and that’s going to be Palm Sunday. I don’t know the date. Sometime in March
there but. Second Sunday in March but. You’ll have to check your calendar I guess. I don’t
have that. It’s Palm Sunday so we’ll have it up on the marquee at the fire station there
advertising so. That’s all I had to report tonight. Any questions at all?
Mayor Furlong: Very good. Any questions for the chief? Very good, thank you.
Chief Greg Geske: Alright, thanks.
PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR AN ON-SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR
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LICENSE, BONFIRE RESTAURANT COMPANY, LLC, DBA AXEL’S, 560 WEST 78
STREET.
Laurie Hokkanen: This license has been requested in anticipation of an ownership change. The
restaurant is anticipating to continue to operate as it has been. We’ve run the required
background checks on all the owners and the operating manager and all those returned with no
problems and staff doesn’t have any concern about the issuing of this liquor license and does
recommend approval pending the public hearing.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for staff? Have we received all the necessary items
in terms of insurance coverage and whatever else is required so their approval tonight is not
contingent? Is that.
Laurie Hokkanen: Correct, there are no outstanding items.
Mayor Furlong: The applicant’s complete? Great, thank you. Okay, at this time I’ll open up the
public hearing and invite all interested parties to come forward and address the council on this
matter. Nobody? Seeing nobody then we’ll, without objection we’ll close the public hearing
and bring it back to council. Any discussion from council? No?
Councilman Litsey: Straight forward, yeah.
Mayor Furlong: Is there a motion to approve?
Councilwoman Tjornhom: Motion to approve.
Mayor Furlong: Second?
Councilman Litsey: Second.
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Mayor Furlong: Made and seconded. Any discussion on the motion?
Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilman Litsey seconded that the City Council
approve the On-Sale Intoxicating Liquor License for Bonfire Restaurant Company, LLC,
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dba Axel’s, 560 West 78 Street. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously
with a vote of 5 to 0.
2008 STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT 08-01: APPROVE PLANS &
SPECIFICATIONS; ORDER AD FOR BIDS.
Mayor Furlong: The issue before council this evening is to approve plans and specifications and
order the bid. We’ll go to a staff report please.
Paul Oehme: Thank you Mayor, City Council members. Staff is requesting again that the
council approve the plans and specs for the Laredo Drive improvement project and authorize us
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to advertise for bid for construction. As you may recall, on January 28 council held a public
hearing authorizing and at which time they authorized the preparation of the plans and
specifications. At the public hearing a few design items were discussed by the council and
residents, which I’d like to just quickly review with the council here tonight. But just as a quick
review. The Laredo street improvement project is a street reconstruction project of about 1.35
miles worth of streets. Replacing the roadway section. Pavement section. New storm sewer.
New watermain. Spot repairs and replacement of certain segments of sanitary sewer. And then
also again some drainage improvements as well. These streets have been rated very poor and
they have consistently been the worst complaint, residents have complained about these streets
worst in the city. The street widths that are proposed at this time are consistent with what was
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talked about at the public hearing. 31, or 36 foot wide roadway from 78 Street up to Saratoga.
North of there is a 31 foot roadway section up to Frontier Trail, and all the adjacent cul-de-sac
roadways are proposed at 28 foot wide width, which is approximately consistent with what is
currently out there today. The roadway along Laredo Drive, one property owner was concerned
about encroaching on his property at the public hearing. We have designed the roadway so that
the road does not take up any more of his lawn. There is a slight reconfiguration of the roadway
and any of that movement of the roadway, the align has been shifted to the west onto the fire
station property and the school, which works out fine with the grades. Another issue that a
couple residents had expressed concerns at the public hearing was the intersection of Laredo
Lane and Laredo Drive. You can just see an example of one of the concerns. The concern was
the sight distance issue and getting access and, out of that cul-de-sac. Right now sight distance is
limited due to the vegetation. Some of the plants, the trees that are out there and the curvature of
the road, staff and the consultant have looked at that issue and have modified the intersection,
which, and what is being proposed is that a change actually shrink the curvature of the road at
that location which allows for a flatter roadway section through this area. We’d also like to
eliminate some of the pine trees and maybe do some shorter vegetation out in that area to gain
some better sight distance at the intersection. By doing those type of modifications we are
anticipating about 110 foot longer sight distance issue along the northbound lane of travel so
with those modifications I think yeah, that intersection will definitely improve based upon, with
the new design in terms of the sight distance. Couple other things that were discussed were some
of the property owners had some issues with sump pumps and ground water. Ground water table
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high in this area. Staff did look at that issue one more time in final design and we did include a
couple of thousand more feet, 9,000 feet of drain tile in the project now, which would encompass
most of the roadway in this area, including some of the, like Cimarron, Laredo Lane, Laredo
Drive. All of, most of the cul-de-sacs too also get drain tile at this time. That’s what’s being
proposed. That drain tile is proposed because it’s a storm water improvement, we’re proposing
to pay for those improvements out of the storm water utility fund and not being assessed through
the storm, or the roadway pavement section. Or the street utility fund. Couple other items that
were discussed at the public hearing was storm water improvements. I know the watershed
district in this area is very concerned with the, and likewise the city is concerned with the water
quality of Lotus Lake. We did look at several ponding opportunities in this area and some other
best management practices for storm water, water quality and water quantity improvements. A
couple of the ponds that we are looking at currently are outside of the project area and therefore
we’re not proposing to include those in this project at this time, plus we need to work with the
property owners in those areas to get by and for storm water improvements on their property
because since it is a private property that we’re talking about but, there is a pond proposed in the
plans at this time. Kerber Park pond just north of the project area. This one shows up a little bit
better but currently just local drainage flows into the, into this area right now. We’d like to
include additional drainage and increase the size of the pond that’s currently there to include all
of Longview Circle and a portion of Laredo Drive. We’re anticipating an additional 2.9 acres of
area to be treated in this pond, which is I think it does take a lot of pressure off of the existing
storm water system that currently runs down the back yards here and over to Lotus Lake. We
feel this is an important improvement because you know in the future, if and when some of these
other storm water ponds are considered down the road, we don’t feel, or those ponds wouldn’t
have to be sized as large as they currently would be, thus taking some pressure off of the, or
reducing the amount of drainage and utility easement that the city would have to acquire for
those type of improvements so. The pond currently, along here, already exists. There’d be
minimum grading that would have to take place. There’d be an outlet structure that would be put
in. Some tree loss would be anticipated, but we would like to visit with the property owners,
especially along the back sides of that area and discuss that. Those improvements with them.
We have not done at this time. What we’re proposing to do though is that pond improvement be
bid out as an ad alternate bid so we can evaluate the cost at that time and either approve it or not
approve it at the time of award of the contract. The costs are more or less consistent with what
was talked about at the public hearing. The storm water utility did increase somewhat based
upon the drainage, the drain tile that was included and there’s additional catch basins that were
included as well in the final design but nothing significant in terms of storm water, watermain or
sanitary sewer improvements haven’t changed since the public hearing. If the project moves
forward, we anticipate taking bids the first part of April. Probably the end of March here. We’d
still like to have another neighborhood meeting for the entire project area to, after we receive the
bids. Talk about the assessment amounts. Again as the scope of the project. Those type of
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things, before we hold a hearing and consider awarding a contract on April 28. If everything
were to move forward under this schedule, we would anticipate starting the project in May and
substantial conclusion hopefully by the beginning of August. So with that, I stand for questions.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for staff? Mr. Oehme, the pond area again. If you
could hold, put up the pond picture and you had the color diagrams for the watersheds. I think
the one in your right hand there. Because the little circle there is the pond that you’re looking at.
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You said one of the things that we’ll do is relieve some of the water flow going to the east
through the blue area I assume.
Paul Oehme: Correct.
Mayor Furlong: Approximately, do you have some sense of what area that’s going to cover that
it’s going to take to that pond rather than running down directly to Lotus Lake?
Paul Oehme: Sure, yeah. It’s going to take…if this shows up. It’s going to take all of
Longview. This cul-de-sac here. It’s going to take everything about up to this point here and
then also up to the high point of Laredo Drive, which is approximately right by the apartment
complex here so again it’s about, it’s almost about 3 acres worth of land being, additionally
drained into that pond.
Mayor Furlong: So that little T cul-de-sac there, that’s Laredo Lane, is it not?
Paul Oehme: This one?
Mayor Furlong: Yeah.
Paul Oehme: No. That would not be able to be drained into.
Mayor Furlong: That would not, okay. But along Laredo is so.
Paul Oehme: Correct.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright, and as I understood reading the staff report, you also built into
the design the opportunity for flexibility in the future. You mentioned the other opportunities
that that was one of the things that you worked into the design that we talked about.
Paul Oehme: Yeah, we were trying to be as flexible as we can with this project, especially if the
watershed district would like to do some other improvements in the future. We’re trying to again
build as much flexibility as we can to try to accommodate their needs as well.
Mayor Furlong: Okay, very good. Other questions?
Councilman Litsey: Just one quick question on the, how does that integrate with the…
Paul Oehme: Excuse me?
Councilman Litsey: This is going to be a smaller pond next to the larger pone, or lake, as you
call it in Minnesota but, how does that, how does the flow go through those?
Paul Oehme: Right, the water would be treated for both for quality wise and quantity in the
pond. I believe the majority of Kerber Park Pond is considered a wetland so we don’t want to
discharge directly into that water body.
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Councilman Litsey: So it would hold there. Then it would go through the Kerber Pond and then
through the culvert that goes down towards, goes to Lotus Lake.
Paul Oehme: That’s correct.
Councilman Litsey: Okay, and this would just act as an additional buffer to hold sediment and
other things to give it a chance to cleaner water before it discharges into the lake.
Paul Oehme: Correct. It would function just like any other NURP pond we have in the
community.
Councilman Litsey: I’m just trying to picture too where that, because it’s quite a steep slope
there, and I mean I walk by there a lot so I try to just visualize. So it’s next to the path pretty
much there then?
Paul Oehme: Yep. Correct. It’s right next to the path. There’s a culvert there already. We’d
have to size that accordingly though. It would have to be removed and replaced but the footprint
for the pond is basically there. There is a pond wall, per se again the Kerber Park Pond there
already so we are anticipating minimum grading. We surveyed it and we think we can design
around pretty much the existing contours out there.
Councilman Litsey: And it won’t affect the walking path or anything?
Paul Oehme: Nope. No. No, well during construction obviously.
Councilman Litsey: Well, yeah.
Paul Oehme: A little bit so.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Other questions. Councilwoman Ernst.
Councilwoman Ernst: Paul, I think this may have been what the Mayor was referring to but you
referred to some alternate bid being taking place for the pervious pavement. Is that in addition to
the project so it’s not part of the cost of the project?
Paul Oehme: Right. It’s, well we’ll take those bids and see where they come in. We’d like to
work with the partner with the watershed district. They kind of expressed interest in looking at
those type of improvements. I don’t think the city should bear the brunt of all those costs, but
we’d like to, or we’d like to work with the watershed district and try to meet their needs as well
too. If we can partner together and do some additional water quality improvements, you know I
think we’re all better off.
Councilwoman Ernst: Okay. And I know you said that the additional cost of the drain tile
wasn’t significant but do you know what that cost was?
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Paul Oehme: I do not have that staff report in front of me right now.
Councilwoman Ernst: That’s okay. I was just wondering if you had remembered off the top of
your head.
Paul Oehme: I’m sorry, I don’t.
Todd Gerhardt: Mayor, council members. The drainage tile’s already included in the cost
estimates that we presented to the neighborhood and presented to you during the public hearing.
Just want to make that point so it’s not an add to those overall costs.
Councilwoman Ernst: So it is included in the estimated cost of the project?
Paul Oehme: It’s included in the estimated cost of the project, but it’s not in the roadway cost or
the assessment cost back to the property owners. It’s a city cost that we’re proposing to pay.
Mayor Furlong: Being funded 100% through the city’s storm water…
Paul Oehme: Correct. Correct.
Councilwoman Ernst: Okay. Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Does that answer your question?
Councilwoman Ernst: Yep. Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Any other questions? Okay. This isn’t a public hearing. I know we have, just
recognize the people in the crowd. We have some residents that are interested in this project.
Does anybody have specific questions they’d like to ask about the design plans that have been
brought forward? Some of them were, as Mr. Oehme pointed out, were the direct results of some
of the comments during the public hearing so I just want to make sure if anybody had specific
questions about the plans and specs, had a chance to get those answered this evening. Yes. Why
don’t you come on up if you would Mrs. Paulsen.
Janet Paulsen: My name is Janet Paulsen. I live at 7305 Laredo Drive and I just had a question
about the drain tiles. They’re going from the sump pumps. Isn’t that increasing the amount of
flowage into the lake? Or into a storm water pond. As of now, after a storm, those sump pumps
drain into the yards and down the streets for a very long time. A couple days after a storm, and
now they’d go directly into the storm sewer process.
Mayor Furlong: Mr. Oehme, so you want to address that? Where’s the location of the drain tile?
Paul Oehme: The drain tile’s right in back of the curb. It’s approximately 3 to 4 feet down.
Right in back of the curb so existing property owners would have the opportunity to tie in their
existing sump pump pipe to the drain tile so it discharges directly in our storm sewer system.
Getting back to her question, the water makes it down to the lake anyways. It’s just more of a
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convenient system. It’s typically it’s clean water. In terms of the overall impact to the lake, I
mean quantity wise it’s minimum compared to say a 2 inch rain event. So it’s a practice that the
city has been taking on in new developments and it seems to be working quite well.
Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Any other questions with regard to the plans?
David Remington: My name’s David Remington, 7611 Laredo Drive and I did have one
relatively quick question and a point. If in fact this is essentially a residential street and being
treated as a residential street, under the premises of the assessment, I’m wondering if there’s any
plans in the design to slow people down on the street. Speed bumps or some other mechanism
that would allow us to get the very large number of cars that go up and down Laredo Drive,
down to a residential speed.
Paul Oehme: We’re not planning any speed humps at this time. There is the school on Laredo
Drive and it’s posted you know accordingly for school district areas so. We haven’t, we haven’t
built anything in there.
Mayor Furlong: Alright.
Charles Littfin: My name is Charles Littfin, 7609 Laredo Drive. I’m right across from the
elementary school. Can you tell me what Laredo Drive to Saratoga will be rated at for tonnage.
As far as vehicles.
Paul Oehme: I believe it’s 9 ton.
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Charles Littfin: 9 ton. That’s commercial. Right now from West 78 Street to the intersection
by the post office, it’s already commercial at 9 ton. Stops right there. From the post office up
it’s residential so that means they’re going to change it from 5 ton, which it is now, to 9 ton.
Perfect example, they did Del Rio and Santa Fe about 2 years ago. There are residential roads. I
checked with the city plots today on the maps. They’re at 5 ton. When they re-did those roads,
sewer, water, everything, they made them for residential which is 5 ton. And now the plans go
up to Saratoga, the streets are going to be wider and you’re going to increase the tonnage. That’s
commercial. That’s not residential.
Mayor Furlong: Is that, Mr. Oehme, north of Saratoga. What’s the tonnage of the road?
Paul Oehme: It’s, I believe it’s all 9 ton.
Mayor Furlong: All the way?
Paul Oehme: Yeah, that’s our standard, typical section that we’ve been putting on our roads. I
think Saratoga, or the Santa Fe project, I think we had, in that case I think we had about 2 feet of
sand that we put in there. This project it’s less than that so I mean it’s based upon what we see in
the field and based upon some recommendations we receive from our soils consultant
recommending typical pavement section types that we use, but relating it back to what we
typically use for residential streets in our community. In new developments.
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Mayor Furlong: So this is typical to a new development?
Paul Oehme: Yeah. I mean we like to replace it with a street section that’s consistent when
we’re putting in new developments. What we see is, with the sub-grade that we have, the clay
soils, the lack of drainage that we have with the clay soils, and based upon what, we’re being
recommended, or what’s being recommended to us by soils consultants so.
Mayor Furlong: Okay.
Councilman Litsey: So you’re looking at the longevity issue basically with how the design is.
Paul Oehme: Right, right. Yep, and, and I don’t know what he’s referring to but, I mean the 5
ton versus the 7 ton versus 9 ton, I don’t know if we’re looking at roadage ton during spring road
restriction maps or what, because we do rate our streets a couple tons lower in the spring based
upon the thawing that we see in the soils so.
Charles Littfin: Well that just tells me the tonnage is commercial. I mean it already is up to the
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post office. For the businesses. They stop right there. Kerber Boulevard from West 78 Street
to Saratoga is 9 ton. From there on up north, it’s 5 ton. Says it on the city records. It’s all
outlined different colors. Your tonnage. So you know.
Mayor Furlong: Alright. What’s the effect? I mean your question I’m sure Mr. Littfin is getting
back to the assessment issue.
Charles Littfin: Exactly.
Mayor Furlong: From a design standard.
Charles Littfin: Exactly.
Mayor Furlong: So the real question here is, the affects of the design here on the tonnage. Is
that materially affect the cost?
Paul Oehme: It does. I mean if we’re designing for a 3 or 4 ton roadway, obviously it’s going to
cost more to build a 9 ton roadway but again, it relates back to the longevity that we’re trying to
receive out of these roads and the type of infrastructure that we want to see in these roads. You
know if we go down to a 5 ton road, you know we might not be putting in as much sand. We’re
not going to be seeing the drainage that we would like to see in some of these areas. The drain
time wouldn’t probably work as well either, so and again, it relates back to what we, what’s our
standard, typical section roadway that we see and we want to be consistent there. And also
relating it back to what our soil borings and our soils investigation report says for rating these
roads.
Charles Littfin: Okay, thank you. One other point. I would like to see another traffic survey
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done. I would like to see if the city could put road strips right at the corner of West 78 Street
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and Laredo because there’s a whole lot of traffic that was never picked up with the strips up by
the post office. I’m talking about bank traffic that exits and traffic going into the little mini mall
and gas station. None of that was ever recorded going out. From the bank and so on. So there
was a lot of traffic that was never even recorded with their… Thank you for letting me speak.
Mayor Furlong: Sure, thank you. Okay, anybody else with regard to questions on the design?
Plans? Any questions for the council? On this. Okay. The issue before us this evening then is
to approve the plans and specifications and order the advertising for bids. Any questions on that
process? If not, is there a motion to adopt the plans and specifications and proceed with the
bidding process?
Councilwoman Tjornhom: Motion.
Mayor Furlong: Motion’s been made. Is there a second?
Councilwoman Ernst: Second.
Councilman McDonald: Second.
Mayor Furlong: Made and seconded. Any discussion on that motion?
Resolution #2008-12:Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to
approve the plans and specifications and order the advertising for bids for the 2008 Street
Improvement Project 08-01. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a
vote of 5 to 0.
Mayor Furlong: So we’ll follow the schedule that Mr. Oehme laid out this evening in terms of
the people interested in continuing to follow this and we’ll keep this project moving along.
Paul Oehme: Very good, thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you.
COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS:
Mayor Furlong: I received an invitation for Carver County elected leaders, officials leadership
group which is looking at proposed changes to the program. The meeting is this coming
Thursday. I just received this this evening when I got here. I am unable to attend so if anyone is
interested in going on my behalf, maybe I’ll pass this to Mr. Gerhardt or you can talk to me.
We’re not limited to 1 or 2 people but if we have more than 3 attending, we should certainly get,
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make sure that that’s posted. It’s for this coming Thursday. The 28 from 7:00 to 9:00 out in
Waconia. So if anybody is interested in doing that, see me or see Mr. Gerhardt on that.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: Brian, is that when we also have our training?
Councilwoman Ernst: Wednesday.
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Councilwoman Tjornhom: Is that Wednesday? Okay.
Mayor Furlong: Yeah, this is the next night.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay.
Mayor Furlong: Very good. Anything else for council presentation?
Councilman Litsey: Just again I’d like to welcome Jerry McDonald aboard the council and I
look forward to your contributions.
Councilman McDonald: Thank you.
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS:
Todd Gerhardt: Well we just want to follow up on that NIM’s training. How many council
members are planning on attending? It starts at 6:30 this coming Wednesday at the Shorewood,
or at the Lake Minnetonka.
Councilman Litsey: Well it’s the South Lake Minnetonka Public Safety facility off of 19 in
Shorewood, yeah. 6:00 to 9:00. Probably get done a little sooner than that. If people can’t make
it, there’ll probably be some kind of follow up down the road too so.
Councilwoman Ernst: I’m planning on it.
Todd Gerhardt: You 2 are? Okay.
Mayor Furlong: I’m hoping to. I expect to.
Todd Gerhardt: Okay. Jerry?
Councilman McDonald: I need to check my calendar but I will try to make it.
Todd Gerhardt: Okay. And I think Brian mentioned to me that they may have a second one, for
those individuals that couldn’t make it this Wednesday so I will post that as a public meeting.
And then the second one is Southwest Transit is having their legislative meeting this coming, or
legislative update. Oh, same day that that Carver County effective leadership group is meeting
so, anybody planning on attending Southwest Transit legislative issues?
Mayor Furlong: I will be there.
Councilman Litsey: I am not sure. I’ll probably attend one of those two meetings we talked
about but I haven’t decided which one so.
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Todd Gerhardt: Okay. It didn’t look like we’ll have more than a majority there. Okay. That’s
all I have. I’ll post Wednesday’s meeting as an official meeting and let the press know.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Any questions for Mr. Gerhardt? No? Okay.
CORRESPONDENCE DISCUSSION.
None.
Mayor Furlong: If there’s nothing else to come before the council this evening, we will be
continuing our items of our work session that were unfinished. We’ll be moving back to the
Fountain Conference Room to pick up those items immediately following this meeting. The
public is always welcome to attend. With that if there’s nothing else to come before the council
this evening, is there a motion to adjourn?
Councilwoman Ernst moved, Councilman Litsey seconded to adjourn the meeting. All
voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. The City Council
meeting was adjourned at 7:50 p.m.
Submitted by Todd Gerhardt
City Manager
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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