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REGULAR CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING
December 2, 1985
Mayor Hamilton called the meeting to order. The meeting was opened with the Pledge
to the Flag.
Members Present
Councilman Horn, Councilwoman Watson,
Councilwoman Swenson and Councilman
Geving
Members Absent
None
Staff Present
Don Ashworth, Barbara Oacy,
Lori Sietsema and Bill Monk
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Councilman Geving moved to approve the agen a as presented.
Motion was seconded by Mayor Hamilton. The following voted in f vor: Mayor
Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Horn and G ving. No negative
votes. Motion carried.
PRESENTATION Qf EAGLE SCOUT DOWNTOWN CLEAN-UP PROJECT, JIM GREGORY:
Jim Gregory, representative of the Eagle Scout, was present to present the results of
his Eagle Project. He started by going over the proposed plan that he presented in
March of 1985. They planned to 1) Pick up litter; 2) Paint fire hydrants; 3) Pull
weeds; 4) Spray weeds; and 5) Go over everything. They made only one change to this
plan while carrying our the project. That change was not pulling the weeds before
spraying them. They did this because the ground sterilent that they used worked
twice as good as if they had sprayed the weed and let it take the poison down to the
roots of the weed. After the weeds were sprayed, most shriveled up but some still
needed to be pulled out because of their size. They also added a couple of other
jobs not mentioned in the first proposal of the project; they we~e 1) Cutting down
small, unwanted trees behind Kenny's market; and 2) Cutting down the tall grass near
the railroad crossing and in the vacant lot near Chanhassen Lawn and Sport. Jim pre-
sented a few of statistics of his project. They are as follows: 1) They collected
over 20 bags of litter in two days; 2) The entire project took a total of 1 year and
2 months; 3) Jim had 10 helpers who put in a total of 42 hours -, 4 hours a piece; 4)
Jim put in 50 hours himself by planning, working on, and writing up this project.
Jim concluded by thanking the following people:
* Pauly's, Kenny's, and the Chanhassen Fire Department for use of their dumpsters.
* The City of Chanhassen for the supplies they donated and the tools they let
them use.
* The Carver County Herald for the story they did on Jim's project.
* Bill Monk for getting him started on the idea of this project and helping
him all the way through it to the end.
* The City Council for the approval to do this project.
* Councilman Geving for his special interest and help with the litter pick up.
TRANSIT SERVICE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT (MTC OPT-OUT), BRW:
Jeff Benson: In Chanhassen we did do license plate surveys at y~ur major employers,
particularly down in the Chanhassen Industrial Park. The other major employers we
had information from them as to where their employees were coming from. We also had
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the Chamber of Commerce survey.
~,500. 8ased on the percentage
in total from those surveys, we
at these numbers.
We used your employment base, of approximately
of employees coming from each of those communities,
applied that to the 2,500 employment base to arrive
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Councilman Gevinq: Are you projecting any additional employment in the community
with that 2,500?
Jeff Benson: No, that is the current number.
Councilman Gevinq: Because probably 1,500 of those 2,500 happened in the last two
years and I don't know what it is going to be by 1987 or 1988.
Jeff Benson:
I realize that there is a real potential for growth.
Councilman Gevinq: I think the quality of the study is good. We have covered all
the bases that I wanted to talk about, but I still need to know where we are going to
go to implement this project.
Jeff Benson: That is a point well taken and I did not include it in the draft
because I am not sure how long this process is going to take with the City Council.
I think it would be very easy to include that part of it in the final report and I
certainly will.
Councilman Gevinq: Are there private operators out there that would be looking for
this kind of opportunity?
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Jeff Benson: Definitely.
Councilwoman Watson: When you look at it for us it looks like a fairly good deal.
It is going to be a much different selling job for Eden Prairie and Chaska and
without them, we really don't have any system at all. We have to hope that they can
see the advantages in the program. That $45,000 that you have got in marketing here,
bascially that will go toward getting people interested in the program.
Jeff Benson: And make them aware that it exists and then get them interested.
Councilwoman Watson:
advertisements?
Initiate, is that going to be mostly articles and
Jeff Benson: We would be recommending newspaper, radio advertising, cable t.v. and
those type of things.
Councilwoman Watson:
I think that will be an important issue.
Jeff Benson: We have received real positive feedback from Eden Prairie. They seem
willing to want to pay a little more because they know they have a lot to gain from
this. We are very hopeful.
Mayor Hamilton: I think when we first started this project all four communities
knew, going into it, that there maybe additional costs and the benefits would out I
weigh anything that maybe lost in additional dollars, but we also knew that all
four of us had to cooperate. There is no way that we could do this by ourselves and
the other communities couldn't do it by themselves. Also, for clarification, on page
53 the $538,000, maybe I missed the point of that; with these excess dollars you are
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saying those excess dollars at the end of each year are going to be turned over to
the RTB. That is the transit board that is going to be running this entire project
so that would be a surplus they would maintain?
Jeff Benson: Part of it would probably go to MTC's class.
Mayor Hamilton:
To pay for those transfers and that type of thing.
Jeff Benson: It is paying for much more than that.
cent to pay for the administration of the RTB, which
and policy function, plus the transfer capabilities.
You would actually need 10 per-
is basically a coordinating
Mayor Hamilton: Your operating costs are $721,000.
the buses or whatever.
I assume that's for purchasing
Jeff Benson: That is based on the vehicle miles, which is about $2.00 a mile.
Plymouth has opted out a year or so ago and their operating system is somewhat simi-
lar to this and their cost is about $1.92 a vehicle mile.
Councilman Horn: Currently, we have about 300 Chanhassen citizens that use this
transportation?
Jeff Benson: No, that includes Chaska, Chanhassen and Eden Prairie, people that are
being picked up all along that route.
Councilman Horn: How many of our citizens use this system?
Barb Dacy: The information I obtained from MTC for route 67 was about 20 riders. I
do not know what the ridership is for 53J, but I believe it is about the same level
as route 67.
Councilman Horn: 50 we have probably less than 100 people that use this service and
we are going to pay $133,000 for it?
Mayor Hamilton: I would hope that we would have many more than that and that is the
object of doing this; to get more ridership, to get people going places, which they
can't do currently.
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Councilman Gevinq: I think the problem there, Clark, is the peo~le who are riding it
now are commuting to the twin cities. This is a direct route to'Minneapolis. If you
are going to 50uthdale or if you are going to Eden Prairie Center we would probably
double, triple or quadruple that ridership immediately.
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Mayor Hamilton: When you look at it we are paying $133,000 now ,for a bus going down-
town. There are no stops in between. But to spend the same number of dollars to be
able to get to the Eden Prairie shopping center, to be able to get to 50uthdale, to
Hopkins, to Excelsior and all the other spots and still transfer within the system to
go even further.
Councilman Horn: I have no problem with comparing the one we have now with this. My
problem is comparing this with what it really does for us in looking at the whole
perspective of this system. To me there is no comparison between the two systems as
to which one is better. I really question whether it is a good payoff for us in the
long run for the amount of people that use it. That is the question that I have to
ask.
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Mayor Hamilton: We could use it as a marketing tool to draw more people to
Chanhassen also, as we continue to develop here. As we get more and better shopping
here you want to have people be able to get here and back. But I see your point and
I understand what you are saying. I don't know how you could justify that much.
Another study was done surveying people who are in the community currently and asking
them if they would or would not use the service if it was in place.
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Councilman Horn: I look at it as a decision on just like any other services we pro-
vide. Are we getting a good bang for a buck out of it? All of our other services
that we provide, to a large degree, support themselves, the water/sewer, that sort of
thing. This one is obviously a big cost drain for us and I am wondering if we are
really getting a bang for the buck out it.
Mayor Hamilton: Well this way it would seem like we get more of a bang for a buck
instead of just putting down $133,000 for what little we get now.
Councilman Horn: I agree comparing the two services, that is definetly true. But if
we opt out we don't have to go with either one. What they presented us here, as I
understand it, is more service if we put the same amount of dollars into it. The
question I have is there another alternative that we could take that would cost us
less money and we would get equivalent service to what we have today?
Jeff Benson: What I would suggest in terms of that issue, it has to go to the
Legislature to change the current law because according to the current law, based on
the current service that you have, you pay a 1.5 mill rate, which is $133,000. Based
on the plan, if the ridership were as good as the first scenario, you are paying
twice as much as you need to pay for the service that you getting or would get with I
this plan.
Councilman Horn: What if we opt out? Do we need to take the amount of service that
you have outlined here?
Jeff Benson: You could pay a little bit less based on a current legislation and have
only peak service, in the morning and in the evening. It would be about 80 percent
or a little higher of what you are currently paying just for that difference.
Councilwoman Watson: We don't really have a choice of not providing service and
saving $133,000. Even if we provide no service we are still going to have the money
going out. It still costs us money because we have no choice based on present
legislation. We might as well provide some decent service because we are going to
pay the money regardless.
AWARD ill:. BIDS:
MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT EQUIPMENT:
h Sinqle Axle Truck Cab and Chassis;
~ Three Wheel Street Sweeper.
SINGLE AXLE TRUCK CAB AND CHASSIS:
Bill Monk: Part of the 1986 budget, the Council did approve several purchases.
Because of the time lag between ordering it and actually getting the equipment, we
did move to secure bids and quotes on a single axle truck cab and chassis. On the I
dump box, plow, sander and radio we took quotes. The results of everything are
complied in the staff report you have before you. It is a bundle of information and
may seem somewhat overwhelming, but it does seem to consistently give us the lowest
and best cost. Unless it is worked directly with the suppliers and the maintenance
people, (who will be responsible for the various parts of the unit, and we find it to
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be much to the city's advantage in several ways.) As far as the bid goes, staff is
suggesting that we go to the second low bid, which is from Superior Ford in the
amount of $20,296.00 for the cab and chassis because the GMC bidl does not include an
integral front frame extension. We do have one such unit and we' do have problems
with the extended frame as it would be delivered by GMC. That is the reason we are
suggesting the second low bid. There are, after that, a series of quotations for the
dump body. It is recommended that we accept the quote from Midland Equipment for
$6,495.00; for the snow plow it is recommended that we accept the quote from Road
Machinery for $4,071.00; for the sander it is recommended that ~e accept the quote
from Midland Equipment for $2,000.00; for the radio - the only quote we got for a
heavy duty radio was for $1,100.00 from Motorola. The total cost of the unit is
$33,962.00 under that series of bids and quotes. That is just a, small increase from
the unit that was bid two years ago and is the exact same unit.
Councilman Horn: Is the integral frame extension an option that is offered by GMC?
Bill Monk: No, it is not.
Councilman Horn:
cification.
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So, in effect, we eliminated GMC as an option by offering that spe-
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Bill Monk: Yes, in a way we have. We did tell them if they wanted to bid we would
go over our reasoning of several years ago when we put in the integral frame, which
is made by International and Ford. We did run through all the r~asons and problems
that we have had and after looking at the price differential, wh~ch we thought was
quite minor, decided to make the recommendation to the Council that the integral
frame be upheld in the spec. If the difference had been somethi~g like $2,000 to
$4,000 or more, I don't think the recommendation would have been'the same as it is.
Councilman Horn: I am just curious about the legality of setting up a spec, which
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we know that people cannot meet.
Bill Monk: As long as you are not writing the spec around one unit, we have done
this, I don't know if this is the second or third time that we have done it. We do
not consider GMC's bid an equal bid and therefore, I believe that we are on firm
legal ground accepting the Superior Ford bid.
Mayor Hamilton: As long as they knew up front what you were looking for.
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Bill Monk: That is correct. It was clearly spelled out and underlined in the spec
what we wanted. GMC had called us before hand to ask whether it was worth submitting
a bid. I did tell them we would take a look at it in terms of being equal. Our
recommendation tonight is that we do not believe that it is equal.
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Councilman Horn: I guess the thing that I am getting at is, let"s say that there is
a Ford 400 engine that we have had some problems with, could we specify a cubic inch
engine that only GMC can provide us. That is still a legal bid because we have had
problems with this?
Bill Monk: It has been done, but I guess I don't see this as being quite that
extreme. Two makers do supply this. I know what you are saying. It always comes
back in the bidding process of being equal. If the supplier can show that number of
cubic inches is indeed equal, in terms of what the city or anybody else is trying to
acheive. I don't believe we've got a firmer legal stance than you can take. In this
case we do not believe that it is equal.
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Councilman Horn: But there is no way that the supplier could refute that statement?
Councilman Horn: In other words, if you went to GM, would they tell you that you are
right, this integral frame is much superior to what we are offering?
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Bill Monk: They might.
Bill Monk: They would say it is not the same, whether they would say it is equal or
not, I don't know.
Councilman Horn: Well, that is what we are talking about.
Bill Monk: I guess after we looked at it, staff does not believe that it is equal
for the purpose that we want it for.
Councilman Horn: It appears to me that we are setting up the spec to get what we
want.
RESOLUTION #85-68: Councilman Geving moved the adoption of a resolution to approve
the following bids as recommended by the City Engineer:
Sander. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . .. . . .. . Midland Equip.
R ad i 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mot 0 r 0 1 a
$20,296.00
6,495.00
4,071.00
2,000.00
1,100.00
Single Axle Truck Cab and Chassis............Superior Ford
Dump Body ...................................Midland Equip.
Snow Plow........................Road Machinery & Supplies
Resolution was seconded by Councilwoman Watson.
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Councilman Horn: I would feel more comfortable if we had an opinion from our attor-
ney before we acted on this.
Mayor Hamilton: It would seem to me that if there is going to be a problem it would
come from the Minneapolis GMC Truck center who did the bidding. If they knew, to
begin with, what we were asking for and they don't have a problem with it, we pro-
bably are not going to have a problem, unless they feel that they have been duped in
some way. They obviously don't because they were told ahead of time what they were
bidding on. Correct?
Bill Monk: It was clearly spelled out.
Councilman Gevinq: I believe that this is just like we have done with every other
bid process and that we have tried to be up front on everyone of these. If their
protest were to come from Minneapolis GMC Truck Center, let it happen and then we
will go to our attorney and they can work it out. As far as the formal bidding pro-
cess is concerned, I think that we followed all the rules, we have reviewed the bids,
we've knocked them out because they presented us with a bid that did not meet the
specifications and I think we are in order. I think if we do get a protest for this
bid and the award, at that time we should go to the attorney.
Councilman Horn: I think we all need to be comfortable too, that we are writing a I
proper spec. I have not seen any documentation that tells me that this integral
frame extension is any better. All I have gotten is some word of mouth saying that
we had problems with the other. I have no idea what the frequency of those problems
were, or the type of the problems. I don't have any of that data to base it on and I
want to make sure that we are offering fair and competitive bids in this process.
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Councilwoman Watson: There is only a $400.00 difference between the two units and we
have experienced numerous problems associated with the stengths of welds and bolts,
which I can even understand. For $400.00 it seems to me that just taking the simple
approach is worth getting the other unit.
Don Ashworth: I did review this item with the City Attorney this afternoon and he
basically made the same comment that Councilman Geving did. That is, he reviewed
Bill's report, he has no problem with the legal basis under which we are moving for-
ward. If I was aware of the fact that GM had a particular problem with this or in
otherwords, that they were in any way protesting it, he would like to know what their
position is to reaffirm his position. But based on what he read, he was very comfor-
table with the City Engineer's recommendation and felt it was a solid recommendation.
The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson,
Councilmen Horn and Geving. No negative votes. Motion carried.
THREE WHEEL STREET SWEEPER:
Bill Monk: Again, as a part of the 1986 budget, the City Counci!l did approve the
purchase of a three wheel sweeper to replace our 1976 unit. Th~ reason that we
rushed with the bids, as we did somewhat, was because there was to be between a five
and an eight percent increase in the sweeper prices as of Decem~er 1st and taking
bids to the end of November, we did come in before those price increases went into
effect. As you can see the bids that were received were both for Elgin equipment
from MacQueen Equipment, Inc. for two models of Elgin three wheel sweepers that are
made. We did not get a bid from Itasca Equipment. I am not exactly sure why that
was. I know FMC is not bidding at this point because of proble~s that they are
having with all their three wheel sweepers that they have made recently. We are
recommending that the bid from MacQueen Equipment for the Elgin ICustom in the amount
of $60,930.00 be accepted and further that the $1,000.00 deduct for the six-month
warranty that will cover the 1986 season sweeping season also be accepted so that the
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bid be awarded to MacQueen in the amount of $59,930.00.
RESOLUTION #85-69: Mayor Hamilton moved the adoption of a resolution to approve the
bid for the three wheel street sweeper to MacQueen Equipment, Inc. in the amount of
$59,930.00. Resolution was seconded by Councilman Horn. The fdllowing voted in
favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Horn and Geving.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
MINUTES:
Amend City Council minutes dated November 4, 1985, page 9, add following comment
as paragraph four under ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW DENSIFIED REfUSE
DERIVED fUEL fACILITIES AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE P-4 DISTRICT, by Mr. Don
Brauer: We have requested Carver County to permit us to process the fuel
as regulations require. We do anticipate that the process, if ~pproved at this site,
would involve some portion of Carver County's refuse.
Mayor Hamilton moved to approve the City Council minutes dated November 4, 1985 with
the noted amendments. Motion was seconded by Councilwoman Watson. The following
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voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenso~, Counc~lmen Horn and
Geving. No negative votes. Motion carried.
Councilman Geving moved to note the Planning Commission minutes dated November 6,
1985. Motion was seconded by Mayor Hamilton. The following vo~ed in favor: Mayor
Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Horn and Geving. No negative
votes. Motion carried.
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SOUTHEAST CORNER QI ~ 117 AND LAKE LUCY ROAD, MERRILL STELLER:
~ Subdivision Request ~ Plat 85 Acres ~ Property into ~ Lots
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~ Authorize Feasibility Study for Lake ~ Road Improvements.
Barb Dacy: The parcel is now zoned Rl-a, Agricultural Residential. The site is
composed of approximately 84.5 acres. There is an existing house on the site at this
time. The site is located east of and adjacent to Galpin Boulevard and south of
Lake Lucy Road. Proposed is a preliminary plat because it is zoned Rl-a and outside
of the Metropolitan Urban Service Area is proposing a minimum 2! acre lots, 19 of
them and an outlot adjecent to Lake Lucy. The site does contain a class A wetlands
adjacent to Lake Lucy as well as a class B wetland just south of Lake Lucy Road.
There were several issues with the plat. The first issue is a traffic issue. That
is why you have a two items to take action on for this particular item. The proposed
plat realigns Lake Lucy Road in such a manner that it maintains the 67th Street
intersection with CR 117. As you all recall, Lake Lucy Road is a city street and is
being proposed to be extended in the common plan. Another trafffic issue is the
amount of driveways onto Lake Lucy Road. The developer is proposing a consolidated
access for several of the lots both onto Lake Lucy Road and onto Galpin Boulevard.
The County has notified us that these two proposed access points are acceptable,
pending approval. Also being proposed is five driveway cuts onto Lake Lucy Road and
an additional one was added at the Planning Commission meeting. A joint three lot,
private drive is being proposed off of Lake Lucy Road at this point to serve lots 12,
9 and 7. Another issue that is important to this particular plat is the septic
systems. As you know, our subdivision ordinance requires two percolation tests per
lot in a rural area. Staff was concerned about the distance of the proposed septic
sites, especially adjacent to the class A wetland. Our ordinance has a 150 foot set-
back for a septic system so we will get the buildable areas of each of these lots, as I
well as the lots adjacent to the class B wetland. Based on the percolation rates and
the amount of buildable area in these particular lots there are areas available to
install a house as well as a septic system that should not adversely affect the
wetland areas. The third issue is the drainage pattern. Basically, there is no
alteration proposed to any of the wetlands. Another recommendation that came out of
the Planning Commission meeting was to reserve appropriate drainage easements given
over all of the necessary lots to maintain the existing drainage pattern. Finally,
Outlot A. Historically, from what I understand, this was a site that was once con-
sidered as a lake access site. The Park and Recreation commission will be meeting
tomorrow night to discuss that issue and will be making a recommendation to the
Council at a later date. In the meantime, it is being proposed as an outlot. If it
was not required by the City and wanted to be a private beachlot, they would have to
come through the process at that time and apply for a conditional use permit. So
that issue remains "up in the air" until the Park and Recreation Commission can give
you a recommendation on that. Staff recommended approval based on the conditions
stated in the staff report. Planning Commission approved of that and made adjust-
ments to our recommendations. The Planning Commission's recommendations are as
follows:
1. A maximum of 5 new driveways enter the Lake Lucy realignment, and a
maximum of 2 driveways enter County Road 117.
2. No alteration to the existing wetlands be permitted and all existing
drainage be maintained except as affected by the proposed street
construction.
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3. The applicant must receive a grading and land alteration permit from
the Watershed District.
4. There must be drainage easements given over all of the necessary lots
to maintain the existing drainage pattern.
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Mayor Hamilton:
staff's report?
Mr. Steller, do you have anything that you would like to add to
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Mr. Steller: I think we are trying to make the best use of this property that we
can. I think we have done a good job. We do have 2! acre lots and some larger ones.
With 19 buildable lots, it would mean that there would be one house per 4.14 acres.
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Councilwoman
use to be as
drain that.
Watson:
wet as it
I believe
On Lots 12 and 13, that is a particularly low area. It didn't
has been in the last few years. Are there drain tiles that
when we talked about Pheasant Hill, we talked about that area.
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Mr. Steller: There is broken drain tile on Lot 12 that could be! repairable if the
wetlands would permit us to do that. Right now there is a natural drainage area that
goes from Lot 12 across the southeast corner of the lot and comes down onto Lot 6.
There is a culvert underneath that and it drains out into Lot 7. That is the low
area where the water sits and eventually drains out into the lake. We will, on the
final plat, deal with the drainage business for that area. I
Councilwoman Watson:
I just remember that those lots didn't us~ to be as wet.
Mr. Steller: We have got some big culverts coming across the road there from
Pheasant Hill. I
Councilwoman Watson: I wonder if that contributed at all to th~ wetness in those
lots. Off of Lake Lucy Road where we have 11, 10, 9, B, 7, and 12, is there any
chance of a cul-de-sac there that would bring all of those lots ,onto one private road
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or a "T" on the end that would keep those from accessing onto Lake Lucy Road?
Mr. Steller: Lot B is the lot that has the present residence o~ it. That is
accessed off of West 67th Street right now.
subdivision ordinance provides that a private d~ive
Anything more than that is not provided for and .you
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Barb Dacy: Our
to three lots.
grant a variance
can only serve up
would have to
Councilman Horn: I would rather have a
onto the road.
variance than all these I exists
lots so I chose the three lots
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Mr. Steller: I was restricted to three
would be best served by that.
that I thought
Councilwoman Watson:
That's 7, 9 and 12?
Mr. Steller: Yes. If we could work Lot 10
in on that, that would be great with me.
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variance and eliminate one of the
Councilman Horn: I would rather give him a
accesses.
Councilwoman Watson: How long would that private drive be if
cul-de-sac on the end down by Lot 7 and B.
there were a "T" or
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Mr. Steller:
About 650 feet.
Councilman Gevinq: I am somewhat concerned about the water drainage and runoff in
the Pheasant Hill project. We did have a very good study that ~as made on this pro-
ject and was presented to us and I think it resolved the problem in Pheasant Hill
quite well. Now I see that is is spilling over into Mr. Steller's area. It may have
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caused some problems in that lower area. I have some problems there and maybe we
ought to take another look at that. There was some question about the fronting of
the homes on Lot 7 and 9. I believe those should be fronted on the proposed Lake
Lucy Road. I do have a comment or two on the Outlot. I would like to see us have
access to the lake through the Outlot for some recreational puposes in the future,
possibly as a part of our hiking trail system. I don't know if that has been pro-
posed, but I would like to add that to the plan that we do have a permanent easement
over Outlot A for that purpose. I was also going to propose that on Outlot A, as
well as Lot 4, Block 2, that we also have an easement on the lake of approximately 6
feet for the same pupose. One of the things that we have been able to do quite suc-
cessfully on Lake Lucy, Lake Susan, and Lake Ann has been to gain those accesses
through the easement process and we have been able to establish somewhat of a trail
system. We are just starting with Lake Lucy and maybe this is where we can get this
first initial trail system going. We could start here and work to the west as that
area develops. I don't know how you would feel about that, Mr. Steller, if we could
do that or not. I would propose an elevation of about 958, two feet above the high
water mark so at least we would have a four or six foot walkway across those two
lots. Do you have any comment on that, Mr. Steller?
Mr. Steller: My only thought on that is that Lot 2 there is a prime area and it is
more or less isolated up there and nicely wooded, and I just don't know if people
would have objection if there was that type of traffic.
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Councilman Gevinq: I think it is the same kind of traffic that we are experiencing
between Lake Ann and Lake Lucy right now. It is very light. People are using it for
recreational walking. I see a lot of walkers from the Greenwood Shores area hiking
along there. I am just looking ahead to the time when we might be able to do this I
all the way around Lake Lucy, like we are doing with Lake Ann and Lake Susan. I
would like to consider that.
Mayor Hamilton:
If you want it at 958 it is going to be so high up.
Councilman Gevinq: I just picked a number. I just said that because I know the ele-
vation is 958 at water level. I know that probably doesn't happen too often, but at
least a reasonable length of distance from the existing water level. The other point
that I would like to make is that we are in the process of building a new road, much
like we did with Kerber Boulevard. We were able to gain a four foot strip for
recreational hiking and biking. A lot of joggers use that on Kerber Boulevard. I
would like to see us do the same thing here with Lake Lucy Road as it is being pro-
posed, to extend that another four feet to a 28 foot width with a stripping for four
feet so that people could use it for hiking.
Mayor Hamilton: As long as we could continue that along the existing Lake Lucy Road,
I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Councilman Gevinq: That is what I mean, to hook that up with the new paved Lake Lucy
Road all the way out to CR 17.
Mayor Hamilton: As long as we have the right of way to do that now with Lake Lucy
Road.
Councilman Gevinq: Right. I have some other comments. I really question, per- I
sonally, the use of Outlot A to be acquired by the City for parkland purposes.
Somebody said that this is a park deficient area. We are really not that far from
Lake Ann and some of the other parks. I think that this Outlot A should remain as an
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Outlot at this time and I would recommend to the Park and Recreaction Commission that
we don't pick this up as part of our park proposal. I see that as strictly an
Outlot. I am more interested in trail connections throughout the City than I am with
acquiring more park land. I agree with the earlier comments that we should attempt
with all measure to reduce the number of accesses onto the proposed Lake Lucy Road, I
like Carol's proposal for the cul-de-sac that she is proposing on that private drive
and if it becomes part of the plan, as far as I am concerned, it is a very nice addi-
tive. We could then pick up Lots 7, 9, and 10 with the idea that those homes will be
fronted on the proposed Lake Lucy Road. I wouldn't want them fronted onto a cul-de-
sac. The real asset here is the new proposed road.
Councilman Horn: My main concern was limiting the number of acc~sses onto the high-
way. I think Carol covered that adequately.
Mayor Hamilton: On Outlot A, rather than making a recommendatio.n back the Park and
Recreation Com~ission, I would rather have them make a recommeda'tion to us as to what
they think should happen with Outlot A, let them look at it and make a recommendation
to us and then we can act on it. The path that Dale commented on, staff could pro-
bably review that, but it doesn't look like it would be real feasible at just looking
at the map that we have in front of us. You might want to take la look at that and
see what the Park and Recreation thinks tomorrow night. You might want to suggest
that to them and see what their thoughts are about that also. Carol's comments were
good. If there is some way that we can consolidate another lot .or two onto the pri-
vate drive, whether or not it is with a cul-de-sac or not doesn'.t really make too
much difference as long as we can keep as many cuts off of Lake Lucy Road as
possible. Other than that, I like the plan and I think it is v~ry good. It looks
like it is going to be a very nice road.
RESOLUTION D85-70: Councilwoman Watson moved the adoption of a resolution to approve
the feasibility study for Lake Lucy Road with provisions for a bikeway/walkway trail
to be included; and approved the preliminary plat request D85-19, stamped "Received
November 1, 1985 to plat 85 acres of property into 19 Lots and 1 Outlot at the
southeast corner of County Road 117 and Lake Lucy Road with the ,following conditions:
1. A maximum of 2 driveways entering County Road 117 and the number of
driveways onto Lake Lucy Road be minimized including authorization of
a private drive for Lots 7, 9, 10 and 12.
2. No alteration to the existing wetlands be permitted and all existing
drainage be maintained except as affected by the proposed street
construction.
3. The applicant must receive a grading and land alteration jpermit from
the Watershed District.
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4. There must be drainage easements given over all of the necessary lots
to maintain the existing drainage pattern.
Motion was seconded by Councilman Horn. The following voted in favor:
Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Horn and Geving.
votes. Motion carried.
Mayor
No negative
The Council also requested that the homes on Lots 7 and 9 front on Lake Lucy Road.
This, however, was not a condition.
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SITE PLAN REVIEW, 56,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE/WAREHOUSE BUILDING, lOTS 1 AND ~ BLOCK
~ CHANHASSEN BUISNESS PARK, OPUS CORPORATION:
Barb Dacy: Proposed is Phase II of the Chanhassen lakes Business Center development.
Phase I, as you all know, is already existing on Park Road in the Business Park. The
proposed building is 56,000 square feet, located in the northeast of corner of Park
Drive and Park Road. The Planning Commission recommended approval of the proposed
site plan. However, as you read through the reports there are a number of issues
that had to be addressed. The primary concern was the setback and distance from the
edge of the building to the center line of the creek. The creek runs along the north
and east side of the site. The Watershed District requires a 100 foot distance on
either side of the creek. What has been proposed here is to maximize the distance
from the edge of the building to the center line of the creek. The applicant has had
to push the parking setback beyond what had normally been required in the Business
Park to a distance of eight feet and in some cases along Park Road. As you recall,
this site was part of Opus' over all soil study. There were soil concerns in the
area and they had to locate the building in a certain place and balance it keeping
the creek setbacks and balance it to the particular site characteristics. The appli-
cant will have to obtain a variance to the Watershed District's setback requirement.
In speaking with the Watershed District, what will be done is a certain amount of
area will be retained on the north side of the creek in the northerly portion of this
particular area so that 200 foot distance is maintained and allowing Opus to locate
their building in the proposed location. As far as the decrease in the usual
required setbacks, staff is recommending additional plantings along Park Road and
there is a 6 to 8 foot berm being proposed to screen the parking area. As you will
note in Phase I, the loading area is screened and located in the center of the lot.
It is screened by the proposed building itself. loading activities will not be seen.
The Planning Commission recommended approval based on staff's conditions and the five
recommendations contained in the City Engineer's report.
Bob Worthinqton: We are very pleased to come before you this evening and present
what is the second office warehouse building within the Chanhassen lakes Business
Parks area. As you recall, back in 1983 we came before you with Chanhassen lakes
Business Park 1. At that time we were interested in testing the market to find out
if the hi-tech space, as it has become to be identified within this area for small
users, was indeed something that could be marketed. It marketed with a great deal of
success here in Chanhassen. I am happy to report that we have a successfully
marketed Chanhassen lakes Business Park 1, and now we are going to do Chanhassen
lakes Business Park 2. Chanhassen lakes 2 is going to be, in many ways, a carbon
copy of Chanhassen lakes 1 with some differences. The major differences is with the
exterior of the building. Rather than being wood and pre-cast panel, it will be all
architectural brick units or architectural block units with a band of architectural
painted block units to kind of give the building a distinct image, which is somewhat
different from Chanhassen lakes 1 building. As you know, in the hi-tech buildings we
are doing things a little bit different with the traditional office/warehouse
buildings that were built up until the mid 1970's and early 1980's. One is the
loaded truck dock area is totally concealed from view so that users do not have the
nuisance characteristics associated with trucks loading and unloading. Any material
that may be associated with that will be hidden from the public. Also, there is
added control over how trucks enter and exit the site. Secondly, each of the units
that are going to be divided within the building will have their own entrances into
each of their spaces. Each tenant will have his own entrance into and out of his
space.
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Following Council questions concerning creek protection, drainag~ patterns and
parking availability, Mayor Hamilton moved to approve the Chanha~sen Lakes Business
Park Two site plan #85-11 as shown on the site plan stamped "Rec~ived October 31,
1985" with the following conditions: I
1. That additional landscaping be planted between the Austrian Pine and
Summit Ash on the center island adjacent to Park Road.1
2. The applicant must receive the required permits/variances from the
Watershed District and DNR. I
3. Concrete aprons including gutters be constructed at each access to
maintain the flow of runoff in the streets. I
4. The most easterly section of the storm sewers must be RCP (in place
of plastic) with a flared end section and rip-rap. I
5. Restabilization of all disturbed areas outside the contruction limits
as soon as possible following initial grading. I
6. All bituminous areas be lined with concrete curb.
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7. Silt fence shall be installed along the north and south property lines
to protect creek and pond from erosion during construction.
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Geving. No negative
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Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and
votes. Motion carried.
Geving. The following voted
Swenson, Councilmen Horn and
SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR ~ 9,784 SQUARE FOOT BANK BUILDING, NORTHWEST CORNER OF LAREDO
DRIVE AND WEST 78TH STREET, STATE BANK ]I CHANHASSEN:
The City Planner, Barb Dacy, reviewed the bank building
building layout, access and parking in conformance with
plan, signs, landscaping and lighting.
site plan including the
the downtown redevelopment
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Mike Higgins and John Thorstenson were present representing the ;bank and further
addressed Council comments concerning specifics of the building',s architecture, site
drainage and access.
Mayor Hamilton moved to approve the State Bank of Chanhassen site plan #85-3 stamped
"Received October 31, 1985" for a 9,784 square foot bank buildi~g at the northwest
corner of Laredo Drive and West 78th Street with the following conditions:
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That the southerly access be temporary and relocated to connect
with the new road to the west.
Silt fence be installed around the existing culvert oJtlet and
along Laredo Drive to control erosion during construction.
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A positive outlet be established for drainage from th~ garden/
court area.
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be extended beyond the property lines.
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5. Approval of an access permit from Carver County and compliance
with all conditions.
6. Approval of the Watershed District and compliance with all
conditions.
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Motion was seconded by Councilman Horn.
The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson,
Councilmen Horn and Geving. No negative votes. Motion carried.
REQUESTS REGARDING INDOOR HOCKEY RINK, CHANHASSEN/CHASKA HOCKEY ASSOCIATION:
Lori Sietsema: The Hockey Association is in the process of building an indoor ice
rink in the prop shop building owned by Herb Bloomberg. In this construction and
planning of putting in this ice rink, they have asked the City to come through with a
few services in operating and maintaining the facility. That proposal is in your
packet. Hard costs to the City would be approximately $2,500. That would be the ice
attendant's salary. Other costs: the time, the maintenance, workers, flooding the
rink, resurfacing and snow removal come to be about $4,000. I have reviewed this
proposal and I feel that an indoor ice rink would be a very well received facilty in
the City of Chanhassen, however, I feel that the proposal as outlined in Mr.
Johnson's letter is not feasible for the City. I have reviewed this with Don and we
agree that the City could operate this facility as a City function more efficiently
than the Hockey Association can when you consider insurance costs. We could also
offset some of our costs that are occurred by the rental fees that come in. Mr.
Johnson is here to make any comments.
Brad Johnson: I think it is a good idea. It eliminates a lot of problems that we I
would probably potentially have long term in operating this. As I told Lori on the
phone, the building is being cleaned out and being put together and how many hours we
will be able to actually pay for this year I think is going to be up in the air. But
next year, based on Hopkins operation, we will have no problem with 500 - 600 hours.
This year is another problem. I would like to ask the City to kind of bear with it
through the process and give us what support you feel that you can have. The atten-
dant is necessary for basic safety and patrol. The Association itself is venturing
every weekend, and a couple thousand dollars to get it operating, we have got to deal
with who is leasing it down the line, it is Herb Bloomberg's property, and all those
types of things. So, if you could appoint someone on the staff to negotiate along
the lines of Lori, it really takes the burden off our back. We just don't have the
management to take care of it, also there will probably be a lot of Minnetonka people
using this since Chanhassen does extend to that school district. Basically, there
will be two hockey associations using it.
Councilwoman Watson: I can see where the City doing it would be better. It is kind
of late for this year, but however it can be worked out so that it pays for itself.
Councilman Gevinq: I think it is a great proposal. We have been looking for a faci-
lity like this since 1972. I guess we didn't realize that it was in our own
backyard. Is Herb Bloomberg donating this building to the CCHA.
Brad Johnson: It was set up as a part of the new downtown. Mr. Bloomberg is doing I
it, basically, on a percent of gross lease. That means if we don't rent it this
year, it is nothing. I like the idea the way it is set up.
Councilman Gevinq: I am familiar with the CAA. I was president for a year and have
been active in it for a long time. It has a large membership, but it is a membership
that is very fluid. It is hard to get a lot of people to work and participate and to
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put in their time. I have always thought the only way that it c~Uld really work is
through the community effort. I think this is the right way to go. I am very much
in favor of this.
Councilwoman Swenson: I notice it says, "we are late in the season and
able to achieve the proposed operating budget of $9,000.00 this ~ear."
you anticipate as being an annual budget for this?
we may not be
Is that what
Lori Sietsema: I got that figure out of Brad 'S............
Councilwoman Swenson:
this, is that correct?
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numb~r. They have con-
hour. That was $6,000 and
is a Iwash. So we are
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Brad Johnson: Hopkins has a similar rink, which they rent
why the rent it out for $10. They said they just set that
tinuously rented it for 600 hours and brought in $10.00 an
that was what it cost them, about, to operate. He said it
saying it will cost $4,800 to operate at fixed cost. That
everything, but is should bring in about $9,000.
Councilwoman Swenson:
what you are saying?
So it shouldn't really cost the tax payers anything.
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Brad Johnson: Yes. This year could cost, but next year, no.
Councilman Horn: I think it is a good plan.
Mayor Hamilton: I think it is a good plan as long as the City runs it. It should be
controlled by the City.
Councilman Gevinq:
Is this a 1985 adjustment or a 1986 adjustment?
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Don Ashworth: You have a section in your budget which is referred to as self-
supporting programs. As long as the program is self-supporting; Lori can start that
type of a program. So we are not looking to a budget adjustment. If we end up with
any problems, we would have to bring it back to you. Right now Iwe are anticipating
that we still can run in the black for 1986.
Councilwoman Swenson moved to approve the indoor hockey rink
with the Park and Recreation department carrying out overall
sibilities, which include the following:
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operation respon-
1. Revenue/expenses
2. Ice Maintenace
3. Scheduling
4. Rink attendant
Motion was seconded by Mayor Hamilton. The following voted in
Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Horn and
votes. Motion carried.
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Geving.
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Mayor
No negative
APPROVE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR IMPROVEMENTS lQ LAKE DRIVE EAST BETWEEN DAKOTA AVENUE
AND ~ ~ HIDDEN VALLEY:
Bill Monk: Based on the petition that the Council has received some time ago, a
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feasibility study for construction of Lake Drive East, a road between Dakota Avenue
and TH 101, has been completed and is attached. Mr. Mittelstadt and Mr. Frigaard are
here from OSM to walk through the report and see if there are questions.
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Bob Frigaard: As Bill stated this street was petitioned for by the devloper of
the Hidden Valley addition. Lake Drive East is one small segement of the entire Lake
Drive East, which goes through the CPT property and all the way through the Opus pro-
perty, etc. This segement just goes from TH 101 on the west to Dakota Avenue on the
east. It is a proposed 36 foot face to face street, concrete curb and gutter, base
and bituminous as per MSA (Municipal State Aid) system design. Lake Drive East is on
your Municipal State Aid system. We have proposed widening it out for a right turn
lane here between TH 101 and Marsh Road and also we put costs in the report for some
minimal amount of temporary improvements along TH 101. The state, in the next couple
of years, will be doing some upgrading of Highway 5 and at that time we are going ask
them also to maybe do some upgrading on TH 101 between Lake Drive East and Highway 5
because of the proposed Lake Drive East coming from the west. During the design pro-
cess we would have to work with the state on some details on that. The grading of
Lake Drive East from TH 101 through approximately Hidden Court Road is under process
and will be done by the developers. The other utilities are being put in by the
developer and the water and sewer are primarily back in the interior street. The
only utilities that are needed here is a piece of storm sewer in Lake Drive East to
tie into the storm sewer that the developer will be putting in. It is necessary to
storm sewer the intersection of Dakota Avenue. In order to do that the only outlet
for that storm sewer would be to the east or maybe the pipe that goes down in the
revene by CPT. We would propose that this easement be procured along the south edge
of Lake Drive East but south so that we do not have to disturb the surfacing that is
presently in existance. The total estimated cost of the project is $377,260.00. Of
that, in working with the staff and on the assessments, it is recommended that the
City's share, which is handled to the MSA funds, is 90 percent of the storm sewer and
one-third of the street cost and the total right-of-way acquisition cost. There will
be a necessity to require some right-of-way behind the Sinclair station and the back
of the rear of the houses on Chanhassen Estates. The recommendations as far as
assessments are basically within the area from TH 101 over to the edge, here. The
lots on the south side have no access onto Lake Drive East. The Sinclair station has
its access off of Dakota. The assessment as proposed is based on the total front
footage of the abutting property. The lots within the Hidden Valley addition, the
developer had requested that the cost of his portion, along the residential area,
that the total cost would be split among all 109 lots and we have gone along with
that proposal. The footages as I stated are here and are shown on the map. We did
select a footage for the American Legion Post and there is a setback of 120 feet.
There will be a definite appraisal of the property to see if the benefit is there.
Mayor Hamilton: On Lot 7, that is the proposed church site, I believe. Can we
assess them?
Councilman Gevinq: You bet.
Councilwoman Swenson: Where is Chanhassen's section? We have got 300 feet here for
Chanhassen.
Bob Friqaard: That is the American Legion. Their new access is being provided here.
We are working with staff on that. Sixty foot of access does not seem like an appli-
cable assessment for benefiting any higher piece. So we went back approximately 120
feet setback and picked a 300 foot figure across there as an assessable figure.
Councilwoman Swenson: Will that eliminate their access onto TH 101?
Bill Monk: The only way that the access onto TH 101 would be eliminated would be
upon ultimate development of the site when they come before the City Council with a
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on that access point being
done wi~h the existing
new site plan. The Council could then place a condition
left or taken out. There is no way that anything can be
access until such time when the site develops.
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until such time
Councilwoman Swenson: So actually,
when there is a change. We are not
Bill Monk: At this point you are making no decision about the a'ssessment. I am
saying that there is a good chance that I will be recommending, at time of
assessment, that the assessment be deferred in some manner because the City created
the access situation. Whether the Council goes along with that is impossible to say
at this point in time.
Bob Friqaard: Based on the proposal, each of the 109 Lots would get a $5,544.00
charge and then Blocks 5, 6 and 7 would end up with the $34,000, $59,000, and $39,000
and the 300 foot that we were just talking about for the Legion Iwould amount to
$16,296.00.
Councilman Horn: Is the Legion aware of this study?
Bill Monk: A copy of the study was sent to all abutting property owners, whether
they were proposed to be assessed or not. Copies went out only learly last week. I
don't like to release reports to much in advance of the Council,getting them because
you won't be aware of what is going on when somebody else might 'have their report.
They did get one. Tonight's meeting is just to look at the feasibility study and
accept it or ask that it be modified and it still has to go through the public
hearing and there are a number of formal steps that we still need to go through with
this project.
Councilwoman Swenson:
I have problems with that particular section, the $16,000.
Mayor Hamilton:
That is going to be discussed in a lot more de ail.
Councilwoman Swenson: If we approve the feasibility study however, we are indiretly
approving these figures. I would like to exclude that particulkr figure.
Mayor Hamilton: We are just approving the concept.
all be discussed and that can be changed.
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Bill Monk: The study definitely does say that the American Leg~on property is bene-
fiting through the construction of the road. You aren't approving the figure so much
as you are approving the concept of the study. I think that before this is over, the
City may have well moved in to an appraisal standpoint to deter~ine exactly how much
the Legion property does benefit and that will have an affect on everybody's
assessment. I
Councilwoman Swenson: So the numbers are not specific?
Mayor Hamilton: Right.
Bob Friqaard: Through the preliminary hearing the numbers, again, are just a guide
and you still have the right to change anything up until the ti~e of the assessment.
Councilman Gevinq: I have a concern over that road alignment that touches the
existing State Highway 5 as shown there. Have you looked ahead and projected your
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Bob Friqaard:
there out.
You have already approved this alignment.
We had to take it from
Councilman Gevinq: Okay, so you were locked into that.
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Bob Friqaard: So we are locked into what you had approved before. There is quite
a knob through here and there has to be quite a bit of excavation through here. It
will be necessary to pick up a couple slope easements on the back of some of those
narrow lots, just a temporary slope easement. We will also have to work close with
the Highway Department. I think basically the concept of Lake Drive East all the way
through is that it is almost what you would call a service road for Highway 5.
Councilman Gevinq: The other conern that I have is the easements that will probably
have to be bought behind the Sinclair station and the duplex homes south of the pro-
posed roadway. The reason I say I have a concern is that we have no way of assessing
those assessed easement costs back to the benefiting owners. In this case you are
indicating that there is no benefit, so they will not be assessed. This is contrary
to some of our previous policies whereby we were able to buy easements and then
spread the costs to all the benefiting homeowners. In this case we may pay a bundle
for those easements and the people will walk away scotch free with their cash, no
benefit and everybody else will pay for them. Have you thought about that?
Bob Friqaard:
slope easement.
tion.
We won't be taking and land from the Lots other than maybe a temporary
The property would come off of Outlot 1, that is the Sinclair sta-
Councilman Gevinq:
Is there a benefit to them? Will they be assessed?
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Bob Friqaard:
Under the proposal we do not have an assessment in there for them.
Councilman Gevinq: Don't you think that there is a benefit to that Sinclair station
by gaining access to the back side of their property for vehicular traffic?
Bob Friqaard: Yes, if it were given access. But my understanding is that their
access now is off of Dakota Avenue and it would be retained there.
Councilman Gevinq:
Any thoughts on that?
Bill Monk: This situation is a little bit unusual. Outlot 1 is two parcels.
Sinclair station owns a portion of Outlot 1, the very eastern portion of it. The
balance is owned by the Chanhassen Holding Company. In looking at the land actually
owned by the Sinclair station, there is no way that they can access, and I don't
believe the City will allow them to access onto the new Lake Drive East because of
the alignment to the station and proximity to the existing intersection of Dakota.
The balance of the property will be rendered totally unusable through the easement
acquisition process. Whether that was done intentionally, because they knew a road
was going to go through there in the future, I don't know. So there is no way to say
that anything benefits in there.
Councilman Gevinq: I have one other concern and that is the same that other members
have indicated. I don't think that there is a great deal of benefit in this road I
alignment to the American Legion. I am familiar with that piece of land that they
have been trying to fill over the last four or five years and that access point is a
very low spot. In fact, they are still trying to fill it up with dirt so that they
can get access to the ball diamond. We are going to have some problems with that
one. We will be discussing that, but I don't think that there is $16,000 worth of
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benefit because if there is a road that has to go in there to make this a marketable
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piece of property, somebody is going to have to build it and they are going to have
to pay for it, in addition to the $16,000 that we are talking about. I think the
figures here are going to be changed a lot before we are done wi~h this.
Bob Friqaard: You mentioned a low area that has to be filled. We have some excess
material.
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Councilman Gevinq: That might be a good selling point at the public forum.
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Bob Friqaard: We can certainly improve that property if they want the excess
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material that we have. It will help them and because it is close by it would pro-
bably reduce our costs for getting rid of some of that.
Councilwoman Watson: I am very interested in our use of the MSA funds and I see
three projects, two of them which were mentioned tonight and one that was not men-
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tioned. I am very concerned on how we divide up and the use of our MSA funds so that
Bluff Creek Drive, lake lucy Road and lake Drive East can all make use of those MSA
funds and can be built in 1986. I
Bill Monk: That was the reason that in this report I put the total numbers and the
yearly increment that we are allotted because it helps to see th~t if this one goes
at this amount and lake lucy goes at another amount, I think it gives the Council a"
chance to see how the monies might be used. Other projects are funded in 1986 and
1987.
Mayor Hamilton:
expect.
I think we need to see that laid out so we have an idea what to
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Bill Monk: There are people from the public here that may want to comment. I think
members of the Kerr Company are here and may want to make comments to the Council so
that we can take something into account as we go into the publiclhearing process.
Frank Kramer: I am with New American Homes, who is the actual owner of the -property.
We have reviewed Bill's report in detail. We had preliminary discussions with Bill
back in July, August and September where we were discussing the cost of the project,
the assessment possibilities and how the improvements would be made. At that-time we
indicated that the grading for lake Drive East up to the east property line on our
plat would be made by us. We also dicussed what we felt was thejupper most l~mit of
the cost of the project, which the high would be $250,000 and the low would be
somewhere around $200,000. Another assumption that we made was that the assessments
would be made on a acreage basis instead of a frontage basis. B~sically, we feel
that the assessments as presented do not reflect benefit as it relates to all the
abutting property, especially on the north side of the frontage road. We are not
prepared to proceed given the findings of this report and ask that our concerns be
reviewed for the upcoming improvement hearing.
Councilman Geving moved to approve the feasibility study detailing improvements to
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lake Drive East between Highway 101 and Dakota Avenue as prepared by OSM and dated
October 28, 1985, further that a public improvement hearing be c~lled for January 27,
1986. Motion was seconded by Councilwoman Watson. The following voted in favor:
Mayor Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Hornland Geving. No
negative votes. Motion carried. .
Council Meeting, December 2, 1985
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CONSIDER PETITION FROM REUTER, INC. FOR WATERMAIN EXTENSION ALONG AUDUBON AVENUE:
Bill Monk, City Engineer, reviewed the petition from Reuter, Inc. requesting munici-
pal extension of water facilities in Audubon Road to service the proposed manufac-
turing site. The feasibility study would be complete in house and only after
execution of a development contract with the petitioner.
Mayor Hamilton moved to authorize the preparation of an in-house feasibility study
detailing a watermain extension in Audubon Road to service the Reuter Manufacturing
complex upon the execution of a development contract with the petitioner. Motion was
seconded by Councilman Horn. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton,
Councilwomen Watson and Swenson, Councilmen Horn and Geving. No negative votes.
Motion carried.
Councilwoman Swenson moved to adjourn the meeting. Motion was seconded by Councilman
Geving. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwomen Watson and
Swenson, Councilmen Horn and Geving. No negative votes. Motion carried.
Don Ashworth
City Manager
Prepared by Kathy Sundquist
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