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INVITATION TO FEBRUARY FESTIVAL.
off-~ring some h~ food cc~cesaim~ 'Fbe ice fishing comest will run fmrn 1:00 to 3:00 with
$2,000 in fi~hing cont~t gdz~ to be awaxded, and a total of $3,500 up for grabs. It dmuld be a
buried aomowhe~ in the city. I thin~ thoee am ~ h,pl~z~~ Finding the ~.d,nlm i~
wcn'th $I,100. Thia is a great day and a gre~ way to have ~:m~ fun dm:ing th~ cold winta-
biting so we'll t~k~ him up o~ th~ smd I encourage c-re.body to come.
PltlO~:NT_ ATION OF THR MINI~-SOTA LIVING WRIJ: COMMUNITY AWARD
MAUREEN MEI~~EIDER WlTH 1MIB-~A SAIL/EDP.
Kate Aanenson: Can I jmt t,k~. a couple minutes before ~, I just wanl~ to say that thia is
something that the staff had ~xka/with, ~calty ~ A1-Jaff au our staff. Wehad
presented a reqmst from the Scalar Co_ ..... ;~sion to do a survey. We found a cliffeaem way to do
thesurvey. Instead of $16,000 we found a way w do /t far a lat less. $25.00. We sctually used
you need to feel very pmmt of their vmrk. We wca~ed in ~ to surv~ the city of
8herol Howard, Dale ~ Jean MaminL M_el Kurv¢~ Tom Fau~ Al Olsc~.
~ M~lgmmt-Schne/den. As I ~ it's ~ a pleazum working with thee folks. T~
surv~ lu~ led u~ to belie~ that w~ have an addificaal ~ to do ~. Weare
include it o~ the web dm and o~im_ it av~ilshle t~a~mically fur peopl~ who hav~ ~ceas. So that
go-go stmior c~.,,,,;~ion and I really am very proud W present your award.
Mayorl:hn'long: Thank you very narch. Can v,,'~ Set you up tu~e and the eulim Se:ui~
Commi~aion for a quick phmIre?
CONSENT AGENDA: ~ Peterson ~ C~u~dlnmn ~ seconded
approve the. go,owing ~mseut ~cnda ~ pursua~ to t~ Ot~ Managn"s
4) ]~01uflo~g~03-07: ]~velopme~Review~
~) l~ion~03-0~: Surfa~Waug~t~Fees
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f. Authorize Well Siting sad Consultant Work O~ler for Well No. 9.
T~ On-Sale Beer and W'me License, Spring l~ng School l~marsJser, April 26,
2003; ~,q Resolutkm ~2003-14: Request for Tsx Exempt Oambling ~ to C. onduct a
Car Raffle, St. Hubert CmhoUc Omrch.
i. At~xov~ c~B~.
j. APin'ovn] of l~mu~:
- OD' Council Work Session Mi~,m-$ daIed ~tnu~y 13, 2003
- City Council ~ anus4 J~mutry 13, 2003
- Park and Recl~ttion C. cs]m~aion E'Fmntes ant~ December 10, 2002
k. ]Resol~ ~2003=16~ Appro~ Amended ~ Aid Vm'iance Reso]nlion for Centnry
Boulevard x .m~ovemenU, Project 97-1C..
1. Resolution ~2003-17: Accept Utility T .rr~wO~ in Powe~ Rklgg Apm-lxncn~
Project 00-04.
VI6TrOR ~ATION8, Nom.
LAW BNI~OR~~ UPDATE.
Mayor Furlong: It's ~l~g we said.
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the~c isn't a lot of snow, but mostly it's a fair weather tool tl~ we usc. Displays tl~ l~U~in~
usc quite a 5it. We ufiliz~ a part time o~ a reserve ~ to place that trailer ou~ in the morr~
and then return it in the evening. _~a~ '~ w~ t'~nd of mn ~'t of g~ing pe~pl~ to do that, ~o
maybe some of th~ ci~ employees be able to pm it out and t~lw_ it h~ ~o ~ e~n g~t mo~
has been aa ongoing focus ama wril ~ w~ had a work phm or a sergmmt liaison to the city of
Chanhsssea_. We kind of formalized it ~tn th~ worir plan here., and in my -mmaary I meatioaed
traffic complaints as w~il as a lo~ of tl~ mm~ heavRy cii'y strcc~ Fct e~mpl~ on tl~ ~
Mi~Parkway. Oneoftho~tla'oughsm~tsconae~Iqi~way$ aad7. (~alo~of
traffic through there.. I-,Im Lucy Road. Pleasant Vk~ Road. BlaffCmek, down towazds the
year. Hm~ in 2002 approxims~ly 145 oftho~special~c~ ~~is parked or
ix,tting some number~ ia the~ abont tha ~ial traf~ derails I ~ Fd jast giv~ yon a feel far
how tha tmt~ ~ --mhc~ sc~'t of l~ak down, and th,t move~ imo pa~ $ wlam~ I
driving complaints. 1.50 nlcohol rel,,t,-~ traffic calls ct, ami/or stops. And 350 motmist assists,
would have beea 2,613. 2000 would have been a si.m~ieant jump down to 1,611. '99 wo~ld
have beea 1,406. '98 was 1,583. Amtthe~'s a lot offactc~in thst ligjamp fmm 2000 being
1,600 and 2001 being 2,680. One of the major ~ is th,t was a transitioa period for the ci~
32hoar~ ofpatml service aday, up totheir cun~m ~in2001 of 48 honrs aday. Soyoa
aami~rj~ li~.that, 1,000in om year, the~'s alot of factor~ that go intothac Notjast that
ck-pufies annually. And that sam~ seamace is in a coupl~ oth~ az~as in th~ ~,~,,,.ry, and what
that's r~fcning to is, I've start,,d a pacigt of ~ th;4_ be dism'bamd to deputies ammally,
Moving on to juweaile viohttions. I also put some ~ in ~ a~ I was a little hesilant to
bec~mse I w~n't sure of the accun~, the complete sccuxa~ of the n~. What I was able to
I dou't have any nnmhe~s for traffic citations f~ juveni~ because they don't code those
doforothe~ Butyou'Hse~I'velistedseveml~tlxx~ 33alcoholuse. 19 drug or drug
p~aphamal~ lOassaulta, lOthef~orahopllt~in~. 9curfewandll oflae~. Tomlofaboutg0
2000 to about 52 in 2002. Sothenumbe~areinctesaingthe~ And I do menfion that It'snm~e
whamver. It'anotlike~~today. Hamiled~in ama~f,.amal~andamm-e
eafcrcemeatproce~ Due to jma the i2u~ are changing. Wcseetheproblemstbat~~r,t
the sheriff's office ia going to wc~ with or the how the sheriff's office should focus some of it's
Fd~ily throu~ the u~ of e-mail as well as edm~ion to busimss~ in Zelx~ng pmcedm~ and
cnlllng us when the ne~d arises are the two big lt~in~ tlmre. Kind of boa~htg over 100
businesses signed up for that progntm so far, and it's going to be a big push again this year for
corormmity involwm~t-p~rtici~on ama. ~ ~ 2. · _C. ommnn~ evenm This just
hiDdights the numt~ of events, kind ofc~y through the year wh~e the sheriff's
summary, what it is is, it's the nc~,n~ wc~k plan Rmt we stnxt~ with and then the paragraphs
Mayc~ Furlong: Very I~!. Any questions?
Mayorthn-long: Igue~stwothings. One, I know the coenmq had an oplmmmity to meet Sezgeant
Olsonearlier. Iseehe's heretouight, Welcon~ Whatmoftramitionlnuce~ are you going
through with ~ Olsc~'s part of the i,mu~ition?
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Sgt. Dave Potts: Well ~hn cunm~y works a coumy wide roving sh~t as a palrol sergmmt and
that allows ~im to get into Chanha~m, soh/m and I will be siUiug down ha'e lin'ween now and
go ow-with ~im-But titan even at~ that, rm still just a phone caR. away so rm sum ~'s
lat~- ~0 we'll still be exclumg/ng inform~m snd phone calls and that ki~ of a thing as weAL
And be,:ause Chsntmssen's w~ I ~ ~. U's a pls~ I lil~ a 1~ rn ~ ~ ~ ~
out in tt~t respea ~ well so, rm no~ g~n~ anywl~m marly. Just ~ assigumen~
MayorNurlong: Well we certainly thimk you for your se~vi~s over l~ lsst 3 years. Iknowyou
st_~pped into a posi~cm tl~ was new and flmm's been a lot c/ctm~ and we apffreci~ your
1Viaycr Nurlc~g:. I thought you we~ done.
biayor lC~rlong: Alfight.
Sgt. DavePotts: Tbe2003patwl~is~ That'stheshe~t~l~li~thisone
right her~ And what I do each ye, ar for the ~ is just hi_vhli_oht what the palxol schedule
A'samthecontractdepmy hour. The~-~wcrk 10¼hourshh"~s. Ijustt~imepiteasyhem
when palrol team oue in on their days off patrol Imtm two is working. So you have 5 de~
deputies ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ the call load dictaI~ as well as
fillin~ in ff ~ ~ a day off', csll~ in si~k, ths~ type of thing. And then as you move
corpmah. They're going to be working 12hour shif~ sothat's why you seca6:00 a.m. to 6:00
that ~Mft and that's ~ the county aga~ V~verthen__~maybe. AndlalwayspuIa
note on there tbst it's, when you look at this you kind of 8et a feel far the deputies that alu in
town bu~ it doesu't ne~y give you a feel for what happeus wheu the big calh come in. I
u~mlly throw those exan~les out ct~g the y~r where we have son~ of om- mm~ major
we trod some time ago where w~ hsd I think 4 or 5 patrol ~ ¢m the sccme wiIhin a ~
admi~ w¢~ called out so you know you're locadng at 6, 8, 10 officers thst will mspcmd to
~ like ttmt, even flxmgh cerUdnly our ~ ~'t show that. But those scrvk:es am
always available as the need arises. The ne~ item I just throw in a ~ ju~ a poiut of
interest for cotmcil emitled reste~l of con~ma~-i~ This ia a pmgrsm that's gune through a few
ditTmm~ ~ ~ ~ I ~'t ~ ~t I ~ ~ ~ ~ Bui basically what the
he wasn't ava~q~ble this evealn~ so I thought I'd just let you know tl~ I believe his ~
Im'e ~ tim~ taking overFebmary 1' full time, Sorm m he'nbeup ndyou'n.g mme
and greet with new Chief Deputy Paul and hi, lazt name is Tw, hida, ev~ though lonirlng at the
spelllng you might no~ gue~ thsv Ami then I was just going to meation to the cotmc~ my new
but we've had yet another change and it looks llke I may be housed right out of the sheriff's
c. ommem~, queztiom from council ea those items?
Mayor Parlm~. I said mine earliel-.
ColRlcilnmn T ~hatt: I think Fd just liim to thank Dave for hi~ 3 ye~ he~ of se~dce for C~n.
Nice to have you, ami good luck in your new plato.
Todd Oerba_rd~ He was not able to make it Ix~i_o~t so we will g~t him on for om next mee~g.
SgWER BA _~f~'UP _~.AIM. TOM O'BRIlZN. 40 81jMI/IIzRINIII.B DRIV]$
Todd~ If I could quickly giv~ you a staff report and then ope~ it up f~ Mr. O'Blien to
comn~nt. Mr. O'Briea was pmmm ~t our December ~ ~ ~g ~ ~ ~ to
reimburse him for coats due to a sewer bac, kup th~ ~ a~ 449 Summerfieid Drive. Mr.
O'Brien's clnin~ a~ appro~inmteJy $16.000 in cleanin~ services, conl~nts of aboot $6,000
St_ Paul Companies re4aldinS his clain~
TomO'Brien: Sure. TomO'Brien, 449 S~mm-'~oeld Drive. There~yare3keypoinlstlmtI
want to to~h ~m. One would be negligem~ becsme th~es kind of the key threshold w/th m~rd
pwvided. But their issue is tl~ ~ don't think tlm~ was a reasombly ~ risk in that
downstream manhole x~ui~g in blockage and subsequent b~claxp in the m/ghb~boc& So I
thru wetu installed we~ re.wised so at that ~ yo~ ]me~ that the line~ we~ clean snd I dim't
Todd ~: Tom, I handed that o~ so they have c~e.
TomO'Bfien: Didyou? Well let me just haud that out because it n/ghI just bish{ight a litfle bit
what u~ situation was fl~s~ on the tmrticuhr loop that was involved. I think what you _rec~__'_ved
Boulevard and ran down Smm~zfield Drive to our home at 449 ~ Drive. But when
problem 40 new homes connected to that sewer line. Now to me it seems reasonable that the C/Vy
cimstmcfion debris is a known pwMem for sauilary sewers, I think ~ people can agree
that some measures should have been talo~ and appmm~y none were. So that's the first pc/hr.
The second is ~on by a city agent. We ~ and again there's a copy of tl~/n
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At the time when he complet~l it, sa w~ w~m wc~l~ing what to do next, he said 1~ Clearly
this was a city problem. We found tl~ blocks~ out on Lymsn Boulevard. It was ~ up all
now w~'re being told that thai wofft be, thai the City's not going to stand belimt that My third
Chanhaasen paya a $180,000 ~ annually fc~ thia g~om'al ~ policy ~ you hav~
is I~tty imi~ificsnt to ff~ Paul Cxnmpanies, to the City, to Lumigmn Bmthe~ but it's quile
I think w~'v~ ~ l~l~bi~ ~el I'd Hke to g~t thi~ ~ ~solv~L
MayorFurloug: Thankyou. A~ttm~anyquesfiomfromthecom~lf~re~h~rstaffc~Mr.
O'Bden? Comments or questic~s. Okay. I guess from my stamtpoi~ Mr. O'Bfieu we can
C~n~y ~th~-w~hth~s~,,,fi~l. Idoappmci~your~ Ilmowttmtwassomefl~
thnnkyoo for your pntience. I guesa whst l would like w do is ask if there' s a motion. Ifd~-re's
a motion on this matlm'.
~ Peum~ Yeat~ rd ~. a moron t~t we supp~ su~s ~ ~
de~y t~e claim by Mr. O'Bri~
MayorPudoug: Is~ereasecomt? I'Hsecc~that Ia there any ~on oa the motion?
exeept Coundhnan Labatt wire oppom~ and the moflm~ entrkd with a vo~ of 3 to 1.
FINAL API~OVAL OF 2003
Depamm~t in a variety of different feez. Also looking a$ $59,000 worth of service level cuts out
of om' Park and Rec I)cpartn~ We'r~ also looking st no~ doing the 2004 survey,
survey and thai we look to do thai ev~'y ~ year. We a~ not going w hi~ the new smut
employee. Look to hiring tha~ employee po~afially in 2004. Thafs a savln? of $32000. We
elimination of old bank laxes. We were paying pmtm~ tax~ on the old bank as a Imrt of o~r
a~ofoth~ma~Hal~ Reductim of $35,500. And also ~er cqu~pment for public wufi~ of
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were geaeraUy c~npl~ting t~ ~ to t:mmfcr the $300,000 ove~ to the otc, bt sea-vice fund
them ~ no further ,~scussiou, is tb~m~ a motion to aplm~ _~"s ~mmmmd~m?
~qDC)R.qlL'M]~IT OF PROPO._qi~ 2003 BUDG~ RJ~)UCTIONS ~ ~
]g.gV'l~!~S IN ANTICIPATION OF POTENTIAL STATE AID CUT~
modified change~ from the hamiout include, we a~ the $14.000 in savln~ from the ~ bank
will happen througbo~ tl~ year, or throughout tl~ first 6 mcmtbs. Tb~n you'll bring it back to
this coun~ to apixovc any variances from those cuts, right?
~ Petersc~ Okay.
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Mayc~Furlong: Anydiscus~cmontbese~? Iguessthec~e//~mthatI'dtikemmenticmis
know we Ixoo~ ~ up a~ t. be work sessiou but that's ~ I think rd h~ to review furO~
a~d ~ot ~ rm neceuarny remov~ ~ i~m rro~ ,~ ~ bat ma~oe just ffit's $5,000 frown
in terms of false alarm clm'gcs or somct~ng else t[~ wc can look at.
Todd~ Okay. We can do that. Ithinkdmingo~eofourw~rksesaic~tslh~about
false alarm calls and looking ~* tba~ prognan also I know the fir~ depertn~nt does track
MayorFurlon8:. Okay, thankyou. Any other questicm or discussion? Ifthe~'sno~e~
Councilman Labatt: Okay.
collaborativ~f~t. Isthe~a, dowehaveamotiouyet~ Wedm't. Is tbereamoticutoappmve
staff's ~nmend~on for t~is item?
Maycr Nude: Is there a seccad?
Cou~cih'rmq T_~l~tt: ~
Councilpmn Lundqui~ J'u~t for clarification. We m'u axior~mg the~ cut~, we're not aplxoving
them at thi~ time, is that corr.?
Mayor Pm-lons: Is thai chrlfied? Okay. Any other discm~don?
A_P~OVAL OF PIm~.UMIINARY AND FINAL ]PLAT FOR OLd_ VHJAGE l~{J.
appcov~it. The subjea siU~ again is on West 78~ and Omat ~ The~y~_.o subdivision
which I know wa~ a lilfle b/t tumi w mad iaduded meve~l lot~, aud I'll ju~ 8o thmuBh ~ ~
you. This is Lot 8A, B, C, D, E, F, O ,m,4 I-L Thoeearealltheundedyinglot~dthe
hall located now iuclud~ the ~i.~,t-of-way into Wmt 78a' smd the old dBh~-of-way for (]mat
Plah~ And I'mju~t trying to take you beck ~. Oiveyou~ae~afhowthm
t. katwell enough? That' s where the old villa~ hall used to sit Astheci~yconmaplmeda
redevelopmem plan for the ama, they looked ,,t mlocaiiu80reai Plains and i~ was actually moved.
thst right-of-way so we took the ~ which was ca one of thu lo~s so we could camplet~ the
of-way~c~theraed. Sinc~ we owned it we moved it ouw propeity thst we owm~ Wehsdto
reJoc~e it. {ust show you the back asaiu of w~ ~ ~ 1~ ~ ~ ~ ~, ~
tske. where thi,~ curb lh~ is, just nm-th of thst is whum Hmis old cily hsll sils. So as you follow th~
c~e_~,{;r,g thi~ 1~ The rift-of-way. The right-of-way for ~ Plains. This lc~ and this lot and
them will be a lo¢ remammt. The curb line is ac~mlly whst's shown an the ba~ of that ~
Whai we're used to see~8 is a lo~ of new developmem. I just waaIed to 8o thru,,~ with you on
this project. This is Todd's project. R_~velopnm~ of the dowaWwn. The old downtown.
lk~ybe you can jus~ zoom in just a lilfle bit far ttm~ I just wsm~ to show you ou the north side
a similar projec~ which Todd did. This would be the old St. Hutmm's, which is now C2mpel ~{{.
This building here, and then West 78~. So thim shows the buildings thst w~re siuing them in
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owne~ so th~m was a lot of assemblin~ of ~md~i _~l properS. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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gamAanenson:7392.
Counciiwmn ~: One of th~ thin~ that fig Plam~ Cmmni~on la'ought up is lrlnd of a
what if scenario. What if city hail old city hail burned down and a di~'ent council ~ to
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ship som~hin~ in the~ and I d~u't know wh~h~r thl, is a c[uesfioa fa' ~ ar not,
kind of, what kind of caveats can be put in them to prevent ~g ~ ~ happening, if we
Councilman ~: Even if we chan~ it to an oaflot, a futm~ coum:il could dmn~ mde~z
the outlot to.
gsu~- Aan~usoa: A tn'ivato 1~
Roger Knutson: Or you know, I'll just make ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f~ ~ ~i~ it into a lot
and chang~ grant a vsriam:e or change the ~nirrmm lot size~ You know all sc~ts of ~
~n Pe~crson: Yeah. Thst's ~ o~ ~o~11 had_
~ompli~ it. What we're trying to achie~ is Nmserring that area right around with the rills?
hall That 60 feet by wha/ever wlz~ it ~y sits, and again whetlgr it's arbitrary or not, that
went in ttga~ it was pretty used in~quenfly. It doesn't have a lot of square f~ to ii, and
an angle that was aho kind of a no-no too so histodcally it's not cam~ But certainly the~'s
being used now, ami I guess that's how we came up with tlmt ama that's cummtly whut it's using
Ku~Asneuson: Maybe that's a questiou I'll let Roger answer. I guess l hadn't thought of the
outlot one fil as we were s~ng here tcmighL
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Couacilm~m Labatt: 6:45.
gmn- Aanenson: We started talking about ff you w~ to extra~ smmthing, if it wm a
devrJopment we would want to ~ that area, we d~'t have a miuimnm lot square ~
Am we trying to ~ a ~ way to e~d ~e mem~7 Whsl w~'m ~ally try~g to presmwe is
Ro~, if ti~m's any ~
Roger Knutson: They both get you to the same place. I 6ca't, frankly I think wha/ever is
sdmlni~a'atively emfiest to do would be the way W go because ti~-y both acc/m~ the same
Roger Knutson: That's, allthe chan~ is a namber to a letter.
K~- P, sne-nscm: Yeah.
~ plan to remove some of'the In'olin'lies that were blighted, and again ~hst was Todd's
groject that he worked on and tried to lake and redevelop t~ downtown, some o£ those areas that
the plan was put togmher to buy some of those ta'opettiea, tncl,,a~ some roadway i?ovmma~
Sewea' nnd water '.tmprovements, to make all thtt happea to prmdde far fuatm developmm~ and
West 78a as we imow it today M it goes all the way out to 41. So thia wag kind of the catalyst for
some of that oklta' part of towa that again wsnn't being utDized. So lcag mrm, this was tntrt of
projecthas atmadygonef~asI~. The medical office tmildings. MJybeTodd, ff
systm~ You had a 3 pbs~. electrical ~ th~ went through the downtown area. I think it took us
almost 3 ~j~ to c~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ You couldn't see on one of
KaY's ~'s ~ ~ was remnant pL_~__ ail over the pls~. You had a ~'ingle family home
in the back of nlrnnst a heavily imiustr~ ama. There ws~ the Hauus truck repair facgiIy stazted
out in that area whem th~ woald fix heavy duty truc~ thst aeeded body wark. Baitshop. Two
oki gas stations. I meau it was quite a nightmare for a redevel~ l~oject and ~o whst we did
he~ off of Market Boulevard is whe~ all the storm wsu-r goe~ now. We had buildings th~
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physically bna holes in their w.~l. to let the ws~ go through when we'd get those ]00 yem' rnlns
and so the Pauly/Pony/P~m~ site was acquired and the i .m!vovm~ma w~ made in rh~t a~.
dty hsd a ]arl~ ~ in there thnt old ~ hnll ~rr (m. And so we combined o~r parc~ with a
f~w of tl~ other ores to mak~ a public psddng lo~ thst you see today, with a trash e~closure in the
the~ that we~ no~ rg~dy to be bought out ami nlth~_.ly decided to sell ou~ n~l fro'us to ~ a
that time when we demo'd the bEfilrlin~o~ I ~ people were ~ to tl~ open sp~e tkat
camein flm~ llwasasitetha~welooked~asapo~lRm~y. Wcdidhaveanotimrpoumial
As Todd indica~d I~fc~e, th.t was oar l~r~in~ lot. We kind of disassembled it all ~.
as w~could. We see this being developed ~. Youhsvea~feelth~you'minttu~
oldt~wn. Thosewem kind of om' design smadm~ We seetl~abe~ugdevelopedtbe sameway.
We want that Imilding close to tt~e st~e~ You have a seine of a~rival as you cc~e from tl~t
Todd OedmniI: Well the north side w~ own all the parking lots wifl~ tt~ Medical Aris buildings
and Axel's so title to those lin'king lo~ am to the city. And we comxa~ f~ snowplowing, seal
and similarly we do the same at the old ~ hall si~ We assess b~ck to &e chuu:h, Remax
si~gon 11,000 square foc~lo~s7 Idan'tbelieve so and, bulImean we canv~ify thst bulwl~m
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you've got downtowns, th~ typically dou't have setbsc~. You try to ~et. the sidewalk, the
i .m1~'t of this sim would be if you were to c~eate old ~ hail as ~n 11,000 square foot
g..',. Aaoeascm:
Toddi~rhard~ Yeah. Imeaur~ywhe~youEothrou~thedowntowns~eayououlyhave3cr
4 parcels th~ are available or on the msr~ ~a~of~~p~~~a
~it~w~wM.
nmde ressomble vadance reques~ happen befcre. I think tbi~ o~e happens m be me thst's
reasoflabte too. Paitiafl~ly, obviously you're not even going ~o have to do a vsriance if you do
variance. I gue~ preferably ~ ~ h what we're iron/rig towards so.
Maym: Nurlon~ Okay. Any ot[~r discussion?
Com~i~m~ Labatt: Outtot's the way to go.
Mayor Nurloug: Okay. Is the~ a n~tion?
Councilm~ Labstt: I would move approval per staff's ~~t~m creating ~ 2 ~ an
outloc
Mayor Furlong: Is that sufficient?
Mayo~Nurloug: Okay, som~good. Isthe~asecomi?
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Mayor l:~trlm~. A second. Any discussion on the motion?
prepared by Ot~ Amods~ dmd 9m~/o2, re. yard ~ mbJect to the foamtna
comililom:
1. Revise the prat mu~ to Old ¥illa~ Hah Additi~
3. Reecad a park'~g agreeme~ f~ Ouflot B against Lot 1.
line betwe~/..or I and Ouflo~ B umst be a minitmma o~t~n (10) feet away
Old Vi!1~? ~ ~
All voted in favor and ~ mo~m carried ~y wflh a vot~ o~ 4 to 0.
CO~ AGENI)A:
~ t(nXt), rark~o~fees. ~c~mnLundqu~
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$2.,200 a ~mit~ multi aI$1,800 a milt a~d ~ a~ $7,000. In looking at the back~ ~ ~
Mayor Furlong:. Okay. Any other discmsima ma this iIexn? If not, I guess I wffi discuss with you
with regard to your, tl~ issue raised. My conc~'n is, I eertainly appreciate the concern is timt
w~ ~xl m ad~quam~ ftmd ~ a~ maimain ~m ~o, rm ca~n~ abo~ t s~ I ~ ~
to ~ that eoaeem at thi~ time ami the i .m!~et it baa. If thea-e' s no otb~ discussion, do you
want to mal~ a motion in that x'eganl?
C, mmcq. lma:n Lundqu~ Motion to npFrove msolntlee eslablinhing park dedicalim fees at
residential single family/duplex $2,400 a trait, rmdti--fnrnilylapanmmt tmit~ $2,000 a trait,
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Mayorl~'iong:. Okay. Isthe~ase~ggitothemo~i~m?
Mulli-Famil~/A~ Units
MayorFt=loug~ Item l(aX6). ~Labam Fe~~f~vehiclelock-om.
wanted m pull it fi:a- se~mte conaid=~on. I don't think w~ ~ be chaxging ~ ~
who lock them~ves out of th~ vehicl= but.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Is the~ any other d~mssion on this ~rmn~.J~ If there's no~ is the~ a
motion to, is the~ a moti~m?
Mayor Prolong: Is thea~ a second?
Mayor l~zrlong: Any discussicm?
cKrled wilh a vMe o~ 3 to 1.
falxdous design. It's really going to fi~i~h off the libra~ and make it a gr=at area for the
and tile dollsr amotmt we're talk~ about.
MayorPurlo~g: Okay. Istbezeanyotbezdiscussio~? Ifthere'smme, isthe~amotion?
Mayor Purlong: Any distmssio~ o~ the
a voteo~4 to O.
for rids, Lift St~fio~ 1Y~ l:'rcOect 01-11. ~~
TemsaB~: Correct. Tl~ o~e is pwposed to be funded lOOpewemoutoftheufil~f~d_
Coundlm~ ~ And whm I looked ~ ~ ~ ~ ~d the utility fund I didn't
see this item ~y ~ so I guess my questioa is, is this sn ~ldition to wt~t you ixoposed
that was already in the plsn~ fro' ,~llty fund dolisrs?
Coun~,~n ~ h~.
Todd~ Justabetterclsri.ficationouthat. Pm't of /t is a ~ issue, whichthe
budge/allows us to use money for. So Ithinktbere's 10 feet ofw~u-main~'s ~m ~
replaced as a part of thi~.
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up so I'd alnmst clazzify this capital in~tmllstlnn as a maintemmce ~
of $115,000 on tMs o~e with that so that we can keep that capital bud/~ w~ it's amenfly at.
Tea'esaBurge~ Iflcouldcla_,'ifyf~~ NothingintheCIPthat'sundertheutility
sectioa will go forward wilh(~ ccm~n& to the cotm~ anyway, so rafl~ than at this time cleJefing
somethin~ to nmke a fimdin~ tmJance, we wlTll certainly take a look at it and if t~'s 8omethinE
Councilman Lundquist: Absoln~ly and I'm not ~ ~ w~ go ,,h,,~ ami tsk~ anything
off of the lisL I guess z~ viewpoint is that...I guess my expectation is I don't want W see ufil/ty
they may be and so I'm not ~g that we dele~ any pwjec~ c~ them. And if this one's a
critical if we Ee, t to a point where we're exceedi~ money that's in that CIP.
lV~ym- Furlong: Okay.
Cogltc~ ! .zl'mtt. Oh, olle qllick ~ ~S th/~ the ~ Marion m i8 the. flexi 01~ that
putted?
Tet'esa Bur~ss: They're both lift ststi~.
we are l~mng in the genetal~. Andweazemqu/n~toscrcenagexzra~. Thatis ourzn~ing
cede requirermat.
Councilman Labatt: Olmy. And wbat arc we goin& to sc~ it wRh?
Teresa Bm'Eess: We will be p, Ut/~g o~ a bid for ~ and we are not spec/lying the type of
fem:e. It just hss to meet om' zon/ng code and we w~l then I~ring that for council ~m
Te~saB~: ~ They' m linked project. It'sLiftStaticms 10stat 1~1 so they sre the
sam~ project, bu~ it is two lift su~iou~
Counc~ ~ So Fm ccmfused here as to why you say we're required to screeu them.
Tear. sa Burgess: Because of the Emerst~, we're mquimt to screen a smmtby gmem~, cc~ect
Councihmn Labatt: Okay.
Todd Ch~hard~ But Teresa we're not 80~enin~ Li~ ~ #1.
Te~saB~ We are not screening Lift Stmicm #1. The request was made at o~e pc/nt by a
be inm-e/ntrusive than to leave it ~s is.
Cou~~ Ohy. That's the only question I k~a_
May~' Furlong: Okay. Any other question? ~? If there are no~e, is there a
r~ssrding item
unanimity with a v~. of 4 ~o 0.
May~r Fudon~. hem l(m). Award of bids, ge~eratcr f~r L~ Station #10.
O)tmcilmnn Lundqui~ FI! rrmk~thi~oncn~dquickbcceu~it.~stt~ckson.., rm~,,,,,;,,g~
plan as a marked line im~
Te~saB~ No, thh is just the g~rata-. We'd like to gel the order placed f~- the ge~r~
so it will be ready by April. We will be c~,,,~;,,~ back to council f~r award of ~ f~ lhe
Mayor l~urlon~ Okay. Any other questions on this7 Is there a motitm tegan/ing it then?
Councilman I. amdquist: Motion to award bids, ~==n~tor ~ aiaiion nm'nlm' 10.
Mayor th~'long: Any discussion?
COUNCIl,
Councilman~ TheculyitemthatIhavemt/ardin~~Metro'IYansit. Ithink
you're all aware that they had a rider ~ recently wbe~ a rider boarded a bus down in
Pta/tie police ~ did a fine job in mi~ snd to resolve the siln~fi~ There was no
bomb bm I th/nk wl~ it d/d, it ~ed o~r emergency Nrocedm~s for Southwest Metro a~l they
really worked well Rider~h~ really w~m~'t affeaed and albe/t a scsry ~ou, it turned out
Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Any questi~s? Any others? I guess the culy o~e I would
mention. Mr. C~dmdt and I atmmled fl~e ~finmtmka School District meeting this, I gue~ it was
Todd Oerbard~ Yep.
about state aid is prevalent. It affects different ~ ~y ~ ~'re all looking to deal
with it_ I guess what I wa~ pleased in auend/ng that meeting is that I knew c~.,;,,g into
sdrr~a'afi. Ve
plan and st this time I'll semi the mic over to ~,u~-~
published for 30days. Weoffer acomnm~perio~L Pursueth~_ AndthenwhslI'vel~inthere
that's lm~tt'y ~ Now if we get ~ down on a lot of issues, the~e ~ to be s~m~e
commversy, time's some big htudles th~ we hadn't ~ School dimia decides to put
~ve thin~ in place and that would allow Town and Coumry then to proceed wilh O_~,,;ng back
'wSth fl*z/r p~_li~ ~ final plat so they could be ready to go sctun_ lly rrmybe a lilfle bit
sooner. ButthaIalsorequi~s~w~~~. We would also have to kind of
~ly an assessme~ Ixoject so tim would be kind ora sepame study so ttz~'s a lot af
different thin? Eo/nE on. But the main thinE I wanted to caom~nicate to you tha~ we a~e Eoin~
forward with thin process. Kind d give you an idea d whe~ anficips~/it Eoin! and then I
Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Any questions?
Councilman~ The only question l hsd I' m a~mmfin~ wben you get down to the
selection of~e ~ have we budse~ those fimds f~'~, l~:,jea ~- year?
tl~-y're obli/ated for that. So aO'n_ nlly in rtz ~m'imomental doconznt we've celled oot for tiZ,
whoever does it, pn~qmres a doctnnem has to atto'bate a ~ ~ W ~s project, to Town and
Counw7 project to the rest of it And some of it fix the wetlamt sim7 that we can use, we'll
how we're ~ to pay for that.
property. Th~mybcwillingto. Thcy'vebee~ all being neg~.~'~q wi~ Thntthey'rrmy
be willing to actually have that leveJ of detail in the ~ ~ That they might warn that
Councilmen Lundquist: So wba~ alx~ those, ~ th,,t would warn m pax:ced with that;
that would be...
Council M _~ing - January 27, 2003
we'll work on that too. Ob. tl~ other ~ I wa~ goi~ to ~ay i~ once you bare put thi~ _proofs___. I
f~r as pl~nlng.
Kn~ Aanens~: They're aware of t]~ Town ami Country project. We did tour some ot~r new
urban pmje~s. Talked about pl~i~ and lc~ ran~ I bav~'t shared w titan this level of
detail yet but they Imow we're doing a longer ran~ pl~ in this ar~.
Council: Itlookslik~a~plan. L~'sjustl~ilmoving,
Mayor Nurloug:. Is there, axe the~ rd be ~ql~.~ m ~ u oae of me memb~ fi~m me
cooxl~ tmJe88 ~ a~ two othe~ that wonld liice to.
~Lab~ Iw~~yoo~xlCraigwo~ldl~good. Craig'safom~pla~ing'
Cou cOman rm frae with
Councilman Latmt: If Craig didn't w~ m ~ i~ ~y~ B~
MayorNudoug:. You say Craig has ~ Wl~tdolhav~?
~ Labam You're just a rookie.
Mayor Purlong: I ~ to learn. Okay. Thanks. Any other ~ve zepom Cea'kumit?
~[TAFF ~: Todd Oerhfm~ lustin l~dler, Kft~ Asmmmm, Todd Hoffman, Teresa
Burghs, and Bruce DeJoas
VISITORS PRESKNT: Sim-iff Bud Olson and Serf~m~t Jim Olson
Csrvcr Coun~ ~ the zu~cl to u~ CSO's to f-nlfill thst functio.. C4~x~m~a Lab~ ~ h~
would like to se~ comnmnicafi~ re~rdhg daffy activities f~m the sheriff's depamnmt to thc
plam
DISCUSSION OF 2003 BUDGET. INCLUDING
The City Conndl reeemed the work semlon at 7:00 p.m. to attemi the regnlnriy sehednled
City ~ meeting. The work semlon was reemlvemsi at 9.'00 p.m.
8TRA~IC ~G.
i.e. Taxafio~ to ~ C. oum-iizmn ~ thoughz ~ imm could be combimd to
itr~_ mli~ th~ li~ May~r Pudc~g n~i~1 that mff put ~ a reviled ~ of stra~egiel to
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CHANHA~SSRN PLANNING COMMISSION
JANUARY 21,
CImirwoman ~ called the mmtl~ to arder st 7.-00 pan.
Mt~[B~m~q P~_ m~2qT: Rich Slagle.. Uli Secchet, Alison Blackowi~ end Sro, ye
PI.~LIC PRESENT FOR ALL ITEMS:
PUBLIC mo, RrNG:
~I~}]KR THE REO~ FOR A VARIANCE FOR A SECOND DRIVEWAY ON
ROAD. RON 8AA'I'ZER.
Bl~kowiak: Thank you. C~:....ieei _or~'s. any quesli~ of ~ ~ ~? ~ ~ ~
~ I ~ ~ ~ck q~ M~n: ~ ~ ~~ w~ y~ ~ ~ ~i~
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Planning Commi~ian Meeting - January 21, 2003
Slagle: Ijustimdaquickque. stion Ms-- If the vm-is~e i~ not approved by City Council, what
tl~'s wher~ I'm going right now with this b~ I'm ~kin~ rib Clumi~ of what ~ do we have
and how i~ it eafowed only becam~ I drove by a home, and I don't mean tO menficm ~ ~
it yam that vm just had a ~ of meefin~ 2-3 nmmtm ago wh~m we denied a yin'brace fur a
enfcrc~mt?
Sssrn: Yealx, tha~sagoodquesfion. I'veasked~~anmysetftoo. Ibelieveourculy
e~fcrcement measures to turn it over to tl~ city n~'s offic~ ilar legal ~ by
wl~mver means ~ us~ You imow we don't employ anybody to go out and remove tiin-, my
Sl~l~: Okay. That's ~1.
Oene~oos: Ye~ Technically violation of the city code is a mi~, and so you could cite
thear
Councilrnsm LundquJ~ Steve., any quesfi~?
and that som~me si the ci~ said they were allowed two entrains. To your knowled~ c~ to
your's Bob, have you guys loggy! anything as far as this call?
on the city code books for about a lmar and a half now. Pri~ to this we didn't allow secc~l
driveways bu~ it wasn't p~ of the city code, so iffy would have called say 3 yem-s ago,
that was a code tlm~
microphone. S~a;a your nnme nm4 nfl _amss for the ~
RouSantzec I'-~. MynnmeisRonS~m'zet_ snrlmywifeDenis~ Good evemi~g you guys thnt
rrmgh~ the cold w~th~ hm'e.. I do hav~ some pi~m~s that I wsm~. first I wanted to let you
landscaping and wlnt have you snd when I did mak~ a phone call to the city, I had been O,~,,g
nmall who I spoke to at the city but I think it was a miK~o~mm~ic~ralon th~ further knowledg~
that you can have two ~ on Poxfcrd Rosd, becaus~ tlm~'s, I'v~ got pmlnbly slrm~ 10
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Planning Cornmi~ioa Meeting - Ianuary 21.2003
have 4 little girls and backing tMn~ out and being ~ the comer af Poxfmd right he~ this h kind
of a downhill road _coming this way and we have a teadeacy to be backing o~ bm'e-ami people
don't really nee m no fo~ ~ecurity meanm~ and what have yo~, we found thnt thls v,~mld be nn
enzier why for un to kind of pun in and pull right ouC 'l'be~'s only v~aat, 3 ~ down beze
it is a lam:lscape aw. hiIect aed c~g&ner a~! ms~ Sal~ that tl:i~ ~ ~ ~ fl~ ~y
think it's a lot easier fer un to be able to do that and we wex~ try~g to make ~a~thing of ki~! of
us and have come over ami said thai we've cloaea really good job with it so I~ wanted yoa
a.nlr, hing to ,,,ia. sic can add ~
come o~t on Eastwocd Court which is not as, it's not a flxm~_ot~m~ way. 1I doe. sn't you know,
it's just a cul-de-s~. We did not take down any ~ bi~ t~es. It w~ all M of pi:My
of bro~,ght up to good landscaping ne much as we conld before the fall came, and we did have
would like to nay that Rcnmle did make a phone call and Ithink itwaa a mintmderatamiing of
maybe the covenanlz in the nei~ohhadxxxl. Bnt I think if yon look at the photos and if yon weze
to go and look and see whst we hsve done, you'd see thst it's not really a deUimeut to anycme,
Blackowiak: Okay, thankyou. If you'd like to se~d m'o~d the pbo~ so we could just tal~ a
quick look at ttmn, flint would be aplm~s~'~ Before you step down, o_~ ..... ;ssiom~ any
questions? U1L !~o atmut.
DenheSnntw~. WeUI'dliketo~ay, yeah it would have. One of the thh~ we were trying not to
do was mira out bigl~ tr~n, and if you weze to go out omo the propez~ and I don't know iftl~
pictux~ fl~w, ~ w~ I ram ~ in thm~ nx~ ~ coupl~ bigl~r tn~n in tl~ nnd I mnlly
t~ thomy.
Rea ._quum,~:_. Buckflm~...
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Would ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~?
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~ Commi,~zi~n M _,'~n5 - 1anuary 21.2003
l'Jllehaug: Idohnveaquestion, at~l k would be on the two driveways on Foxfi:nxL Andrrmybei~
Ican~thisquestiontoBob. Isths~t allcrwed, two~aysonFoxf~? Idon'ttl~kthat'a
corn~ is itt Or Matt.
Sam~ No. No. One driveway access per loC Wcll per msidemial lot is allowed i~ town.
Whetherit's~ orl~stwoodor 101. It's one ~y access onto a public stria
ut mg: O ay.
Seem: Yceh, Fm ess~m~%a ff tf~'m tt~ tl~ wc~ f~udf~ne~t in...
Rcm Saatzer:. But the~'s 10 people on Foxfcgd that have either their emxance c~ a circular
act~ physical cu~ onto ~? I didn't __see_. those.
Blackowiak I saw maybe a loop but stol back to the slnEle entrance.
Blaciwwialc Oh, that would be helpful because L
Ron Saatzer:. Actually Eastwood Com~ address 240 hns a driveway plus they have an enixance
going back to the la~ per se maybe. So they have a second cuL 94711aoxfcgd has a circle
driveway, so somehow they did a tumawumi within tht~ lot.
Blackowiaic Rig~ so ginEle access on that cme?
RonSaatzec. Singieaccess, yep. 9Sll, I' m just ki~ of ghring you a mn down of what.
Blaclwwhlc Right, because I went through m~! I really didn't see any that I ~ had two
driveways per se.
Denise ~ I think it's a lot of them, fl~'m there nnd this time of year msybe, some of the
brush, they haven't maintained thegn.
RonSaatzec Yeah. 9511 hasatumawund. 9ST0bastwoemrances. 9610 has two entrances.
9630has two entrances. Sothere, I don't know if you guys didn't see them b~ they're thei~ I
IIIP. AII.
Saran: Yeah, I'massumingallofthosewe~~. lfIcouldjustclmifywl~tw~looked
at whea I meationed 1 oflS. Ofcoursewe culy looked ~pm[mt~ within 5~ feet of Rcu's
The other thing is with the snowfall if it's not a paved driveway, maybe it's a fiekl e~'ance
where if s ~oin~ over grass and we couldn't see ii ttza. I l~ss time's pom~ flm~ could be a
couple mo~ but we really looked fo~ them ot~ ~ so.
Rou Saa~zer:. And you looked, I thlnk you pulled up addresses in Meadowlark which is really not
part of o~r mighbcd~c& Meadowlark's like on the other sid~
Bla~kowialc Right, bm if it's still wilhin the 500 fee~ that's whst you lmw to, Imean let~lly we
bare to look at spec~ ar~s tl~ are Ia~Cn'lmt.
Blackowiak: Okay. Rich, any quesfioas?
Slagie: N~
Blackowiak: No? Okay. Thank you.
Ron Saatzec. Okay, thank you.
Blackowiak: This itrm is c~m fcr a ~ ~ so if anybody would lfl~ to speak on thi,
izsue~pleasest~tothemicrophem~ Sta~ ym~ name and address. No? I'll close the public
~ Co~miv~iane~ s~y ~ please.
Slsgle: Icansart. M~t, Ihaveaquestion, sndldon'timowffFmgoingtogetanamw~
tonight but, yo~ know how we have the~ 500 feet, which h~ is a good example wlme
sometimes it doesn't e~mmpass in it's ~ the m~Jghharbaod, l't ~ to oLtm' m'~as tim.
might not be quite a~ much of an int~r~t in ~ whaI to do here ttmig~ My questitm is
two, you know all of those, and those were prior to this restri~don or ~"~ '_pica-__- of infc~'mafion
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them, would it he in your opinion thnt some of tho~ were just put on m~d we just didn't ]mow ~
a c~?
Saam: H.xa~y. People~otcomln~intol~'tapennitmay~f~aalmt~,youknowwhoknows
wha~ you we~ doing there but a lot of thai stuff ~~!y g~s o~ so I'm assu~ug that's
wife were p~ng a driveway in7
Saam: I though~ you'd ask that.
Ron~ We'd like to know thru t~o.
permit or something but he noticed the secood driveway andn~ our delmtm~ of it and
tiem we, I think we semi Roe a leUer a~d gave him a call and it we~ f~om tIea~
Slagle: Sure, Well I'U close my commenis with just this thonst~t_ You know to the applimmts,
obviously it's not jast this house, it's all lx~es that we have to try and adhere to om' codes
where wow, what do you do'/ So, but I will say this, I think right now that I'm lesning towards
there to apply for variances ami n~iL3hhors had them all over the pbice and I just think we ~
SaccImt: Yeah. Well, it's tricky. Imean basically wi~we'r~looking at basis, is it applicable
in ~ ~ish~ c~ not? And if we grant this varian~ we're pr~y mnc. h ~ a
sIalmmmt that it's okay in thai ~i~st~L Now if you ma~ a ~ thst it's okay in tl~
nei~hlmrhood, are we making a staiemeut it's alri~oht in anotl~ plac~ beuaae-s the teighbodx~l
aud that's where it I~s sticky frc~ our side. So I'm g~ing to vote asaimt grsm~g this ~
and I would think it ~ to go to City Council ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~ ~ I mean it's, v~ trove a
set of criteria that w~ have to look at. One, lsitahanlship? Well, there is pretty high likeline~,
it's actually prmIy clear that the~ are allmm~w,s that would accomplish the sam~ thing. The
applicable to our pmpe~es? Now, I till: that would be a City ~ decisio~ to decide it's
okay in that neighborhood, and I d~'t know ~ what tl~ fimmewc~ would be to anch~
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reasonable amount of time. A good chunk of summer, half sh,,,,,~.r or someth/ng liim tim;.
Several mouths. ImmnApdlwewou]dhavebsxelya~toreallywcrko~it. Id~'tthink
that's masm~le~ II's, I meau the ~ type of ~ is, it seems like there was a
ml _m~mmnlc_~t/cm and certainly ~o fault of yours that, where ~ ended up. But obvioualy this
It's not like you would have stm'ted thin wtm~ il was sOll olmy. So that's my comments.
Blackowiak: Okay, thank yo~ Steve.
TJlle~h.qn~: OnelK~t~que~/m~~~. The~~thstl/llc~hehs~&
larger lot, can he have another ddveway became it's a 3 acze lot? When I xmd the codes tim's
Ssan~ No. Notifit'sares/deutialloc IfR'~rdhavewloc~up~ecodeb~Itl~nkifit's
ncmchumifiedBslikel'u:m]~ Ifit'slike~~~~mallow~ That
wa~beinga/opt~ Tbedriveway, son~ Becauseit'samsidemiallot, oneacces~
may, they have a lilfle mixe leeway in saym8 yes or no thnn we as a o:,,~.,,{,udnu do. And Uli, I
agree with you ou your dnh.,~ April 30m seeu~ u~le nnd I would su.gRr, st June 30m, just
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Planning Come--on M__,~n~ - Janu~y 21, 2003
Blacimwiak: Amotim~ Iathe~asect~d?
the motion entvimi wRh a vote of 3 to 1.
Blnckowia~ And again, talk to Bo~ specifically about how to appeal ~ ~ ~ to ~ so.
Okay? Thank yo~
APPROVAl, OF MINUTe: None.
becau~ we only have 4 of 7 cc, mmi~i~nera we felt it was '?artant W have mm~ inimt ~ ~h
a very i~ discus~n. So tl~ City Code utxlate will be ~ umil the l~.2xuaty 4'"
A gOVAt,:
aware if aomeone would talk to you, we/l I know what that Imilding ia and ~ you're n~t ~o~t of
axu-pdsed when it finally goes lo.nmi. This ~te plan was ~ly ~ quite a wh/le ago.
It's more an up~.t,-- for you ~ than requesting any approval 'I"n=e' s no motiem involved.
We think i't will be a nice hfilding. R's ni~ to me of~e ~ ~t ~ to cc~e
Bl~ckowiak Th~'s pod. Befce I ssk any ' ' if they have questions, Bob. This
item then is kind of a mo~ or less a courtesy to the Plamfing Ccmm~sice just to kind of give us a
heads up of what's going to happen c~ what has happened adminierafi~ly so that if there are
Generom: Right. We want to kmp you in the ~ou.
Blackowiak: So it's not really an n:ppwval. I m~an we don't have to give any approval. We're
just sort of, it's sort of an utxlate mot~ or less.
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Blackowiak: Okay. I-Ioweverthar~~besomequ~tionssoStuve. do you have any
questions? I'll let you start, zugardingthis~ Nowhaathi,,~appmv~? Itmmnbefc,i'~
words we have no say. What axe we.,.
C~nerous: Wehave~'tissueda~~ They'ved~netl~mviewendsaidyeah. thi~
looks okay. U's not a si~i~icant chan~ fx~nn what was caiginally aplXOVed so.
okay, and we'n~ ju~ sort of seeing i~ kind of en NYL B~ that befng se]d. I ~k Stew I know '
day. I think it was ~lay l guess. Amt~he. cleared up a few of my quc~ous. One mal specific
Lilleha~. Okay. And the~ wheu I'm looking st the ~-w lay~ drawing, it's kind of vague on
parking lo~ g~ing to the north for I assume a devel~ th~ migh~ be proposed ~n the futm~
abo~ ~he l~OUS ~ $o when I'm locking ~ tM~ new layo~ I mean ~'s k[~l of vague
and it's hard f~r me to compare but I guess ~ doing a fuIl fled~t mwiew, I mcan g~cre are
my comm,~.
Sacch~ Yeah, qtw~ionsc~ally. I'mccmfuscxlwMchwayth~e~doc~wurk. Dothey
way o~ tMs way?
Ge~wxous: T~'sagoodques~on. I'mno~ccru~
Blackowisk: My guess was the e~st hlooksalitflelcug~r~,~waybutIc~uldbewro~ I
don't know.
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SaccbeC L/kc thls one?
Ococro~: Sharmeen was just try/rig to provide a schematic.
Blackowiaic Yeah, that's what my guess was.
Ocoerow: I would think the overhe~ doc~ would face thst way bu~ I'm not certain.
Saccbec Tha~ ~~ ~~~s, ff~ ~.
Blackowiaic It looked loni~r...tbat's wha~ I thought.
stall totheeast? Imeanthaiseemstobeamajormsneuverthe~toli~tinwiihabisiruck- Does
that really work?
Oenerm~: WeU there's several way~
~ aud pull up there and th~u ba~k in.
BUc wia o ay.
i .mpervious surface here? On the nartheast cc~er of the new boilding hcr~ Youseewha~rm
saying? I don't see, I just realized thro~ yoor _comment tha~ there is a drive able ou the east side
of the buikling.
Oeoeroua: No, I didn't. Maybe I
Sacchet: And that's what ~/ggcred my qoestion on which way m~ th~se trocks dock/ng. Isthcre
euo%ohrcom? Is that going to work? Is that really, butImeanIwouldbopeiI'sbeen~
througl~ That's not really my job to qoestiou that, Iwasjustcudous. We dou't know? Okay.
Oeocwus: rm not certain.
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Ocherous: This is the only plan Fve seen also.
befare ttmy we~ imide the U-shape of the bu/lding so they w~e obviously tucked away.
they're on the bsck of tl~ tmildlng so what's our criteria fo~ saying they're tmally scazened.
Sacchec Okay.
Okay, thst's my questicm.
Bhmkowiaka Okay, Rich.
Shgle: Ijusthaveone~ Bob, you u~e the term, and it's used in here, andlthin~itwasusedcme-
mailsth~tl~~ were not deemed significant. Samethingtothate/fect. I don't wsnt to put
wcn~isinyourmoulh. AndFmjustcurio~s~showisthstdc~aued7 Is that defined by snything
o~ the books or is tl~ someone's j~d~on-,~t~
Slagie: Okay, so would you say if the. Id~m'tvnmttosaythefoundafio~- The footpri~ of a site
or the acUml p~ of a b~mng ou a site was to chan~ ~ ~ be ~o~cznt~
would require a variance or.
Ctemmu~ (]oingbac~throaghttmprocess? Wellwe'dknow. ffit'smomth~ lOpegmmtsn
inamam, tlxat's deemed a ~ chan~ So if it increases squsre ~ ~ ar if the
intensity of thc use increases so thet ~'s a significant ~ in lmrking mquirum~ts or trip
gcncratiom, ti'~n we'd bring it ~
Slagle: Okay. Let me throw one hypoltmicsl and lhen you tell me if, becameFmjmtl~-i_'ng
relatively new, I'm just trying to undersm_ nd so the futm'e I'm not questioning ~ I question this
were directly to the south of T ~,in-. Drive West, would the fact that you've doubled the pazking ou
the south side require a significant, cr would tha~ be deemed a significa~ ~ and yom would
~:~'qlillg. Ift]:lffy had ~t]~~ oiltl~ gJl~ I~inby II]Ol~thnq lOtmrceat, it'd
definitely come ba~k.
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Slagle: Buta~in, and maybe l didn't ask it the fight way. Let's say that t~ park wasn't timm
and yom hsd a house right to the south on the other ~ ~ ~ ~ W~ I-Iouses, and ~y
woald sta~, ami Fm just asking. Would staff typically ~ny thaffs not major cnon~o~ and Would.
Slagle: Okay, jus curious.
Blackowia~ Okay. Anyocbarcomments7 Ijusthaveacouplefc~therecmd. Italkedto
Sharmecn a__b:sut this at length today ami I just told her, I think thnt the probtem tha~ I hnd was the
fact that there's a specific he~air, g saying ~ approval So ~f you're ~ to give me
packet aud tell me to look at it because I'm looking for a lot nx~re thm~ is xeally ttm~ AndI
was mis.,~n~? Yo~ know what is happen_ lng? What is ~ that's making this merit you
know 8 pages c~ whatever it merits. But a~r talking to ~ rm ~ with tt~s and
I would just hope thai in the Om~e it would be an a,,h,h~mafive l~st~- (M ~ NO[
_n,.x~__-ssarily a separate item. ~ust let us know if someth~g' s changing. Uptime. us. If you want us
Blackowiak: l~s~; and that's very helpful and I tl~k I can speak for all of us saying tha~ we
deffmitely want to know what's going on. Imcanthaffsagoodtl~ However, tohavethis
separam line iron, wbea I'm lookin~ at it l'm thinking what do I need m do? I dan't want to be
LiUehaug: Just one quick one. I think tbls is on ttm verge of being a little over ,,,;,,or. ltisreally
a lsr~ c~ in my m~L I m~an you're really ~ a little bit of everything and L in my
opinJo~ I sln'~St think this is someth~ that shoald come beflxe the P]mm~ Co,,,i,,l~xian ami
tbe ~ ~smcil for approval again.
Blackowiak Well it does go befare City Coum~ sm I cozrect Bob in saying thst?
Liilebau~.. And will they haw a chanc~
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Plarming Comm~siou M_%~r~g - January 21, 2003
Blackowiak: Would you just do us a favor Bok Wt~ it goes to ~ would you please make
sm~ thsl you say thai we were ~ s__~mt the scope of the ctmnges and jus~ sc~t of let limn
know thai, to tak~ a second look aI it and do with i~ as timy please. But jn~ so that they know that
Sla~ Sinc~ we're talking upda~ Has an~ I shouldn't say anything _be~r~n~ tlmt mi~o~t be
his~iclo~ Psuly's-~ Okay. So~Idou'~ws~to~kyousny~nguntiltl~t'sbeeu.
Oexum~s: Yeah, w~ have no sulmfillaL We're ~ ~ c~ tl~ pl,uing.
to be before th~n. City Council on Monday hiLLS"it-
sure: ...app
Slagle: Okay, naturally no rr~t~ bow we voted, okay.
body, if it's just a ~ variam~ tl~ you can be the final ~~
Slagle: Thank you.
Blackowialc Well, ?:4~. We'll adjourn ~ meeting tonight.
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