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1993 01 22 . . . Approval of Agenda AGENDA CHANHASSEN SENIOR COMMISSION FRIDAY, JANUARY 22, 1993 9:30 A.M. TO 10:30 A.M. CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS 1. Approval of Minutes dated December 11, 1992. 2. Interview Applicants for the Senior Commission: 9:40 - 9:50 9:50 - 10:00 W10:OO - 10:10 10: 10 - 10:20 10:20 - 10:35 Adjournment Dale Geving Henry Dimler Grayce Johnson Albin Olson Make a recommendation to the City Council ** FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO NEED TRANSPORTATION TO THE MEETING, CONTACT SHARMIN AL-JAFF AT CITY HALL (937-1900) AND A RIDE WILL BE ARRANGED. ** WE WILL BE TAKING A TRIP TO VISIT THREE SENIOR HOUSING SITES. A BOX LUNCH WILL BE PROVIDED ON THE BUS. 11:15 a.m. 12:15 p.m. 1 :45 p.m. 2:30 p.m. At Eagan Senior Housing At Burnsville Senior Housing At Hastings Senior Housing At Chanhassen City Hall CHANHASSEN SENIOR COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING DECEMBER 11, 1992 Chairwoman Montgomery called the meeting to order at 9:30 a.m. . MEMBERS PRESENT: Barbara Montgomery, Selda Heinlein, Betty Bragg, Sherol Howard, Emma St. Jo~n, Bernice Billison and Jane Kubitz STAFF PRESENT: Paul Krauss, Planning Director; Sharmin AI-Jaff, Planner I; and Dawn Lemme, Senior Program Coordinator APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Chairwoman Montgomery noted the Minutes of the Senior Commission dated November 20, 1992 with the following changes: On page 3, "an hour before- should be changed to "an hour after-; on page 10, changing "3 plates" to "3 stories"; and on page 28, correcting the spelling of Marvel Heath and SAL. CALLING NETWORK FOR FRAIL ELDERLY. AI-Jaff: I presented this item to Scott Harr. He's the Director of Public Safety and he said, if there was an emergency, they would respond. Not...but advertisement so it's ready to go. It's just waiting for your approval. What we're going to do is the, after we advertise this in the paper, people will apply. Seniors who will apply for, to be on the calling network, will receive a phone call from the volunteers at the senior center every day, and in case there wasn't an answer, that's where the Sheriff Department would respond. So this is waiting for your approval. If you think that's the way to go about it. ~ Montgomery: Alright. Then what do you need as a recommendation from us? A motion. Okay. Is there anybody who'd like to make a motion that the Senior Commission recommend approval of the Calling Network for the Frail Elderly as suggested by staff? Howard: I so move. Montgomery: Is there a second? St. John: I second it. Howard moved, St. 30hn seconded to approve the Calling Network for Frail Elderly as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Bragg: I was talking with someone on Sunday about that.. They were telling me some horror stories about people that have, even were wearing the telephone alerting system and that when they, one of them had it in her purse. She'd been shopping and she tripped and fell and her purse flew way beyond her and she wasn't found for like 36 hours. There was another equally bad where they weren't able to reach the calling system and they were wearing it. And their fall pinned their arms in some way so I'm so happy that you've worked out a system because even some of the things that have been developed, you know have malfunctioned. AI-Jaff: The idea came from you. It was your suggestion. ~ e. . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11. 1992 - Page 2 Bragg: But you pursued it until we could. CONCEPT OVERVIEW OF CHANHASSEN SENIOR HOUSING STUDY - PRESENTATION BY GAYLE DAVIDGE WITH MCCOMB GROUP. ( (Gayle Davidge's presentation was not being picked up on the microphone very well.) Gayle Davidge: ...Phase 1 was really just a phase to gather information from the community. Numbers and statistics that we can determine how many units and size of units that would work. And in that case...72 units with larger unit sizes than are normally found in the market or in senior housing. Howard: But you had mostly one bedroom. Gayle Davidge: Correct. Now Phase 2 is the phase that's very, very hands on. It's a phase that requires a lot of input and a lot of direction. It involves site selection, which is critical. Where the number of units will be placed. And the architectural design. Would it be one level with a two level atrium or would it be two stories? Will it be configured in a configuration on the site of the project also determined in Phase 2. I'm really excited to go on to Phase 2. That's the interesting phase where you have a lot of options and a lot of the different alternatives. I suppose one thing we didn't touch on last month. and it really is important, is the difference between apartments versus a bungalow. And this is something I know that Sherol mentioned. The bungalow concept works when you have a larger mass of land relatively inexpensive which generally means it needs to be developed in an outlying area. From discussions with pastors and ...keepers and yourselves, and others in the community, it was very apparent that the City and the community it served, wanted a senior project to be near downtown so the seniors could walk to the post office and to shopping and the senior center. When you develop a project in town, the property is extremely expensive and usually the site is very small and you're not able to develop a bungalow simply because you don't have the land mass or the inexpensive property necessary to develop individual bungalows. And this is why the determination was made on our part to go with apartments versus the bungalow simply because the financial constraints and of purchasing a large number of acres in downtown Chanhassen, which I understand aren't available anyway. So that's one issue I know that was brought up last month and you wanted to try to touch on. The other item that struck me was, this project does not have to be multiple story. I actually would like to see it be single story with a 2 story atrium and 2 story community room. And again, that's a function of architectural design which comes in Phase 2. And also the site itself is finally selected. Basically I just would like to answer questions. Howard: We were given to understand there was a possibility of bungalows at the beginning. Now certainly Paul knew about the land and all this from the very start. Were we just given the wrong impression that this was a possibility? Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 3 Gayle Davidge: No. Bungalows are possible when there's a community that' is not, I don't know how to phrase this. When the community attitude is such that transportation or wanting to walk to services isn't an issue. and it turned out in the interviews that that was an issue. That was something that everyone felt pretty strongly about. Howard: Well we have two groups. We also have young seniors such as I consider myself, who are interested in the senior housing but we want garages and to have cars. I think you have to cater not only to the very elderly but also to the younger seniors. And they're not being considered by this report. Gayle Davidge: Well this was a very difficult recommendation because you do have two distinct senior populations here in Chanhassen. You have the elderly, old, old population and a large group of 55 to 64, which are very active. Very young seniors. And our hope is that, there really is a market for only one project at this time, based on the numbers. Our hope is that the project would be developed as a flexible project. That people move into the project as they age in place, that other services and other amenities could be added to this structure. Howard: Is there a possibility of combining the two? Having a few bungalows in a center building? Gayle Davidge: Bungalows as free standing bungalows? Howard: Or...maybe a couple quads. Gayle Davidge: You know we can discuss that with Arvid Ellness, ~ certainly and that's very appropriate to put. Howard: That way you'd be catering to the younger seniors and the older ones. Gayle Davidge: That's very appropriate to bring that up with the architect. Bragg: I'd like to add my support to Sherol because I too felt that we should have bungalows. Yes, and we'd move in. But you may a point that you didn't want, the people did not want to move again during their aging process and I wanted to say that when you consider the aging process, you're talking at the maximum 30 and 35 yeaTS and that people do move during that period. You don't just stay in one spot for 35 years. Given the blessing of that many years of being aged. But I did not know exactly where this was, building was going to be placed and I was given to understand that they were going to have it down near the cemetary that's in town and I was very adamant against that. And then the last meeting, we were told that's it down on the west side in a farm that exists, and I thought that was a far better choice but if it were a matter of giving up bungalows in order to get a more, better location. Howard: Behind the business park. ~ . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 4 Bragg: Yes. And I thought that was a better would give up on the idea of the bungalows in location. If we had the choice of only two. a lot of benefit in being able to walk to the choice. In that case I order to get the better And I did think there was amenities. Kubitz: May I get my nickels worth in...couple years older than you. You will find out that there's a vast difference in what you can do now and what you can do 5-10 years from now. . Heinlein: Unless you go running around like I do. Montgomery: Selda, you're a wonder. Kubitz: Well I do a lot more but my husband is only 2 years older than I am and he can do very little. And you have to consider that. Gayle Davidge: I would think it would be appropriate to bring up with Arvid. Now I've talked with him just in a very preliminary way of letting him know that Phase 2 was ready to begin with the site selection, which you know he'll be doing. To bring up with him, would there be some way to use, maybe to have say four of the larger units set out with their own garages possibly, you know within the constraints of the site and all, and that's something that he really needs to think about and address. I would encourage you to discuss it with him. St. John: Having your own garage and that way would lead to some, if there's a man in the couple, that he would have like a workshop or something and wouldn't have to just sit in the apartment and no place to go afterwards or for anything. Gayle Davidge: Yeah, hopefully the project will also have a big workshop. Howard: I think people, these places that were more individual I think would always have people ready for them as the people in them moved on to the main building where they didn't need these things. Gayle Davidge: That's a really good idea Sherol. Once you've made the decision to move. Howard: Moving's not that big a deal. You hire somebody and they do it for you. Gayle Davidge: Too, if you have a few units set developed that will serve as very independent units, and one or another of the partners decides that we really can't stay in this unit any longer, for whatever the reason, it's moving within the facility. It's certainly not as difficult a decision as moving from your home into the building. Bragg: I think most of the, of course we don't have too many senior housing projects in this area, but I think that there will be waiting lists for every type of housing that you're providing there. Senior Commission Meeting December ii, 1992 - Page 5 Howard: Has your group studied any that became bungalow projects or has . Arvid? AI-Jaff: In Champlin. . Gayle Davidge: Yeah, we did the bungalows in the Champlin project. Howard: Oh, maybe we could visit those. Gayle Davidge: The project that I recommended you take a look at is Copperfield Hill up in Robbinsdale, and I believe you're going up there. Bragg: And we're going there today. Gayle Davidge: Yeah. Now Copperfield Hill is an apartment building and I didn't recommend you look at it because it's an apartment buliding. But because it has really well laid out common areas. It has very functional community spaces and I really like the way they recessed the doorway so everyone has like an individual entrance. It's not just like an apartment building. And there are no projects that I found anywhere in this market that did what I hope will occur here at Chanhassen. There are bits and pieces from various projects that I think would work well and I think that Copperfield Hill has some design features and the community room and the utilization of space for common areas that I really liked. That I think function really well, which is why I recommended that you look at it. I don't know of any single level projects like this in the area. They're usually just two pricey for developers. One thing occurred to me. If there are just two 2 bedrooJlt that mean then that there wouldn't be anymore than two would be able to live there either? I mean unless, I mean they would need the space of 2 bedrooms. Montgomery: units, does couples who quite often Gayle Davidge: The two bedroom units that exist in the market now are the ones that don't have waiting lists. And there are two 2 bedroom units that I found that haven't rented for the last 2 or 3 monhts. We can increase the number of 2 bedroom units. My idea, or the idea that we had was with the 1 bedroom den. That larger 1 bedroom den unit would function like a 2 bedroom. Howard: That sounds good but you didn't have many of those. Only 16. 54 1 bedroom. Gayle Davidge: Yeah. It's about 25% of the project and we certainly can increase that to about a third of the project and it's something that we should talk about too. If you feel strongly that there is a need for more larger 1 bedroom den or the 2 bedroom units, we can change the mix to include up to one-third as those size units. Montgomery: I noticed that there was quite a variation from say 5% 2 bedroom to about a third 2 bedroom and I wondered what made that difference in determination of these places. . . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 6 Gayle Davidge: You're talking about the comparable projects on the market? Montgomery: Well I'm not sure really but it just, now I can't find the page number here. Gayle Davidge: Well it would be one third, 1 bedroom and den and 2 bedroom combined. So combining those two categories. Generally from one third to three-fourths of these projects are 1 bedroom. Montgomery: I didn't remember whether that was a price factor or whether there was consideration that the rent would be too high if they were 2 bedroom or whether it's just a need. Gayle Davidge: The rent is one of the major issues in the 2 bedroom. The 1 bedroom den seemed to rent out very well. Howard: I noticed the 1 bedroom with the den can be as large as the 2 bedroom so I wouldn't care what you called it. Gayle Davidge: Right. And when I talked to Arvid Ellness about that, he said well, there are projects that go from 75% 1 bedroom, 25% larger which is what we're recommending for 2/3 1 bedroom and 1/3 larger as... We can change that to have more 1 bedroom dens. Montgomery: Was some of that determination from the interviews and the information that you got in the area? Gayle Davidge: Most of that c~me from what was working with other projects and in interviewing the managers and the building owners of senior housing both in this market and outside of the market, there seemed to be a real desire for the larger 1 bedroom unit and the 1 bedroom den units but the 2 bedroom units seem to just not stay rented well. I think that's a function of price. Montgomery: Maybe because, was part of it because the bedrooms then had to be smaller in order to have two? Gayle Davidge: I don't really know... Montgomery: Were you saying that the cost is based on square footage if it's subsidized and that's figured that way? Gayle Davidge: Right. It's calculated by the number of.square feet you're actually renting. And when you get into the 2 bedroom units, there is a lot more square footage so you're paying proportionately higher. But as Sherol pointed out, we really felt strongly about the larger 1 bedroom den. We recommended that they be the same size as the small 2 bedroom because that seems to work really well. Montgomery: Maybe we can take a look at that today. Are there units like that we would be able to take a look at? Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 7 Gayle Davidge: Copperfield does have a unit with a den, yes. I'm sure they'll show you units. If when you called, did you ask to see the inside of any units? .~.they normally, when you tour a project, they ~ will normally show you the various layouts. Now Copperfield still has ~ really nice variety of layouts in their units. Even within the 1 bedrooms, they're n6t all the same. They'll be laid out differently. There will be a walk-in closets in some cases is at the end of your hall, you know for storage, as well as the hanging closest in the bedroom. Some of the units have a walk-in right inside the bedrooms, so they have a really nice range of layout floorplans. And I think the architect that designed that building was Darrel Farr Construction. Darrel Farr. St. John: This is at a different location at the Presbyterian Homes but friends over there, there's two different couples, and they have the bedroom and a den but use it as you know, they can use it as 2 bedrooms. It's very nice. Gayle Davidge: It's really nice...hideabed in there when you have company. Howard: I think that's the ideal thing because you don't need 2 bedrooms all the time but occasionally if company, someone from out of town visits. I have another thing under the unit features. I have a friend who works at Friendship Village and she said their worst mistake is putting bathtubs in all the units and they have found that a stall shower with a seat in it is the ideal thing to have and then on each floor have a sitzbath thing where people can take a bath. But she said there are so many people that can't get in and out of a tub. Arthritic people and. grab bar makes no difference and I've become arthritic and I know gett- up is very difficult. So she said those with bathtubs. Heinlein: There was some program on I happen to catch the other day where they were talking, this man was showing a building that he had taken over. It was a narrow building but he had one of those tubs. It was just like a square almost and there was a seat in it. Howard: Well this is a shower with a seat in it. Yeah, and she said that's the way to go in these buildings.. In a senior building rather than a standard tub. Montgomery: I remember seeing that, I think it was Auburn Manor. Remember where we? Howard: Well I just noticed they said tub/shower combination on this unit. Gayle Davidge: Yeah, when I talked to Arvid about that too, he mentioned that there is a nice option for those people coming into the building initially to decide if they want just the walk-in shower or if they want the tub shower which is, as Selda was saying, the square tub with a seat in it and the shower over it which seems to work very well too. I can mention that in the report too. . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 8 St. John: I just hope that the seat in that shower isn't someway designed that it's not slippery. ." Gayle Davidge: Yeah. they're not supposed to be. I St. John: Because somebody had a little fall in one, sliding off of the seat you know when it was wet. Kubitz: I took a nice fall in my sister's tub when I took a shower because they don't have...the bottom non-skid and boy did I take a tumble. Howard: I have one other question. On page 28. under recreational and community spaces recommended for this type of building. It said, now I can get details on something from you, if I want them right? It said, interest was expressed by Chanhassen pastors and seniors in having a meting room open to community senior groups. Now that we already have in our senior center and I doubt that all the pastors in Chanhassen were aware of this. And also any seniors you talked to that aren't aware of it so I'd like to have a list and I will personally call these people and acquaint them with the fact that we have a meeting room open to community seniors. Gayle Davidge: Oh, they are all aware of that. They were. Howard: Why would they need two? . Gayle Davidge: They were mentioning that it would really be nice, one of the pastors put this really well, and he's the pastor at St. Hubert's who said you know. it's really nice when they go out to give communion or speak with one of my parishoners that if we need to have like a little meeting or some Bible study, it could be done there. And I've seen this done in other projects where the community 'room becomes an extension of the family within the facility in also reaching out to the community. Not as in holding community events there, as you would do at the senior center. But in allowing the pastor to come in and administer to his parish and be able to have the facility open to that sort of idea. Howard: Would this be the same space that was used as a party room? Gayle Davidge: ...we looked at on here was having a small office that could be used by visiting...pastor and if they did need to have a larger group, in the case of a Bible study, that they could possibly use that but no, it wasn't for community functions. Like people ~ouldn't come in and just schedule a community function there. But as a part of what was happening within the facility itself. And I can change this language to better reflect the interest... Howard: Well this implies they need a meeting, which they do not. Gayle Davidge: Yeah, I'll change the language. I understand why you're confused by that and I can really change that language. It's that everyone does know that the senior center exists and the senior center is . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 9 open to be scheduled for a variety of lectures and workshops and that type of thing. . Howard: Is there room that people can rent or use for large groups? private individual, which they normally call party rooms. Gayle Davidge: Yeah the community room would serve that function. And also the dining room when the dining room's not being used. Can also be set up to function in that way too. I know sometimes people want to have like a large family gathering. If they have a large family and they want to use the kitchen within the facility. St. John: That would be two separate rooms like the party room and the dining room? Two different areas? Gayle Davidge: And again that's something that should be addressed in architectural designs of the structure. Montgomery: Does anybody else have some questions? Gayle, you were saying something about when you start the next project or the need for all kinds of input into that. Maybe you could explain that to the Commission. Gayle Davidge: Well Phase 2 is the phase that looks at sites and selects the site. That's something that I think all of you should be consulted about and look at the various sites and have input into that. Also in Phase 2, the architectural design and these are some of the issues that we've touched on today and it's critical that the facility be deSigned.. a manner that's in keeping with how you want to live. Because once it built, it's there so. Howard: Nothing has been designed? Gayle Davidge: Nothing's been designed. Montgomery: Gayle was suggesting that she would like to hear from you personally if you have questions or something you want to tell her and I thought maybe she could give you her phone number again, just so you'd have it handy. Do you want to write that down? Gayle Davidge: It's 339-7000 and yeah, I just want to reiterate that I'm always happy to come down and meet with you and talk to you and I'm very willing to talk to each and everyone of you on the phone. The input that you've already given for the first phase was invaluable and it will be even more critical. Howard: Tell me in what way did you use our input in the first phase. Gayle Davidge: In determining what the attitudes were towards senior housing, which really is very good in this community. And the desire, just seeing how much desire and how much...the illustration that you wanted to be able to walk to the Post Office and to walk to the grocery store. . . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 10 Montgomery: Paul, did you have any comments for us? Krauss: Just one thing. I'm sorry I wasn't here earlier... One thing I've learned over the years, as with these types of feasibility studies, is the answer isn't always what you might have expected and the answer may not be exactly what you wanted because what we're paying them to tell us is what the market wants, which may not be the same thing. Well it's true. I've learned this much in particular the senior projects. It's one thing to ask somebody to, Mr. and Mrs. Agerage Senior what's your perfect type of housing situation. Well I'd like a small private home with a nice little garden and somebody to cook dinner...make sure that's somebody watching out for me. There'd be a long list of things. I'd like to be able to walk outdoors... And then when you're confronted with well, are you willing to pay $3,000.00 or $4,000.00 a month or I mean, but more importantly, when you're actually faced with moving out of a home, what kind of a unit are you. It's one thing to think about hypothetically what you want but I've learned that people don't move unless there's a pretty darn good reason. I mean giving up a home is not ~. "ething a lot of us want to think about. And it's something that you 't normally do unless you thought about it a long time and it fits r lifestyle better or it's something unique to them. So what it gets ~~~n to is I've learned that just sitting around thinking about hypothetically what you want and maybe what you really would move into when it's time for you to think about moving, might be two different things and it's a very tough thing to ~ome to terms with. Howard: Paul, there's quite a large proportion of seniors who are single women who have already faced this move. Once you've done it once, the second time isn't much. We've already left our homes. Krauss: We're also winding up Sherol, we have, or in your neighborhood we ~ave a senior housing project. A lot of the fourplexes and the quads anc stuff that were developed in the 70's and early eo's have almost con0erted to senior housing... Didn't plan it but that's what it turned into. And that's great. I mean it provides what people were looking for. A little less space. A little, you don't have to worry about mowing the lawn. Those kinds of things. And is the market providing it, do we need to compete with it... And that's not covered in here because it's not particular a senior project. It's not, but if we were going to, and I'm not trying to argue pro cottages or against cottages or anything else but one of the things after we got this and Sharmin and I were talking, one of the things you realize is that the kind of image that we dev€_ Ded about the cottage type situations, really...walks and talks a whole t like the quad developments that we already have in town. So it may be ~ reason that when you're actually looking at what people are going to need, that that's not what's coming up. There's no magic to this stuff. We hope there's science to it. You know it is something of an art. We think folks we hired are helping us with that and then you need to throw in a little bit of your gut level, this feels right or it doesn't feel right. And if it doesn't feel right, let's ask why and let's get an answer. Howard: My point was not the quads or that. My point was making such a huge issue out of moving. And that's not as big an issue for some of us Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 11 as it would appear in this study or what you're saying. Krauss: No, and you know you've had more experience with it than I dol but I know, I mean I saw a lot of the projects tnat were developed in t 80's...it was different stuff but allover the Twin Cities you have a tremendous, I mean developers see something...and they all build it you know and there were a tremendous number that came on the market for senior...and they all had these glowing feasibility studies that said, wow. There's tens of thousands of senior households in the Twin Cities. Build it and they will come. Well what they've found out is, build it and they'll think about for 3 or 4 years and maybe they'll get around to doing it. People don't move lightly. I mean I see that in my own life. I mean I used to move a lot before I got married and had kids. It's not something... You do it but you have to have a pretty good reason to do it. And you want to move into something that offers you more or better suits you than what you have now. And unless we can provide that, we're going to be in trouble and it's why we get a little cautious and you don't build on the presumption that everybody is going to think that this is the greatest thing since mashed potatoes and they're all going to come tomorrow. I think that's why, one of the.~.here was to talk about you know almost phasing the number of units that you have. You want to be cautious. You don't want to sit around with a bunch of empty projects. We saw that down in Mankato. What did it take them to lease that thing out? 3 or 4 years. And now it's working great you know. St. John: When you mention the quads now, and they were talking about the bungalows and Sherol living in one of these quads. Do you feel that that is so much better to have a cottage type? Would you have more . advantages? Howard: No, I have three flights which is bad. St. John: Yeah. that I agree. Yeah. Howard: And also you do have a lot of seniors but the opposite side, you have fully as many newlyweds and tiny tots. So it's half and half and there's a great turnover with the young people. They have 2 children and it isn't large enough so they move out. But you see very .few high school children. Little children and seniors. The two opposite ends. About 50/50 I think. Krauss: Well you know, clearly it wasn't built. senior housing. It just kind of turned into it. folks. the seniors who move in there, I mean you affluent. purposedly built as And you find that the have to-be fairly Howard: It turned into it because it was the best the community had to offer for those of us who became widowed or something. Where do we go? Krauss: It fit the bill. Howard: Within the area. . . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 12 Krauss: But I know like Tom Workman moved out. I guess he supposedly sold it to an older couple... You're talking about people that are pretty mobile. Who have enough dollars to have a lot of freedom to make decisions. They're not. cheap homes. I mean comparability they're not terribly, not as expensive as a single family home but they're fairly expensive. Who are still in a position to take care of a lot of details themselves... But again, the supply of people to move into your project isn't...pretty small and you've really got to hit that right on. You're really marketing these things. Hitting the market. Being as astute as any retailer in what they're selling is a major part of a successful project. You just can't build something that feels right or looks right or, it has to be right or it's not going to work. Gayle Davidge: A couple things we talked about too before you came in was, in the recommendation...recommends up to 3 stories which isn't to be interpretted that it has to be 3 stories or even has to be 2 stories. If we have...site it, well one level would be wonderful with 2 level atriums and that's one thing that... And the other thing we talked about was if we can do one level, could we have some of the units become, have a garage right next to them. Still be attached because some of these will be...little more independent... That's something that needs to be addressed in the architectural design. It isn't something that I would feel comfortable recommending but Arvid... And the other thing that we discussed is that Phase I will really determine...Those are important issues that require much more input than determining... Krauss: ...there's a lot of number crunching. Howard: What's considered successful? As the building is completed, what percentage occupancy is expected immediately to be successful? Gayle Davidge: Most of the facilities that begin really actively, pre-marketing before construction begins, are usually 80% to 85% occupied before they even open. And I would say that that could vary...with the proper design and proper site and proper... Krauss: But when you set up your financing package for a project, you want to be conservative and you're probably going to assume...occupancy for a period of time, just to be on the safe side so that 6 months down the pike if you've only got 80% occupancy, 70% occupancy, you don't run out of cash because you didn't get your minimum. But that's just all numbers... Montgomery: It'd be nice if we had a crystal ball and knew all the answers ahead of time. Well there's a lot to think about. A lot of things to juggle. Howard: Is there anything on sites? We have defined the business park and the farm across the street. And a spot on Lake Lucy Road. Are those the three? Krauss: Lake Lucy Road? Howard: Did you have a property off Lake Lucy Road you talked about? Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 13 Krauss: No, we had this one over here. The farm. We still have, well I guess 78th Street. Or right down across from St. Hubert's. 4It Bragg: By the cemetary. ( Heinlein: ...it may not go up that road, but the beautiful homes that has been built around Eden Prairie cemetary. They are just beautiful and they're all the way around. I thought at first and I thought, well what difference does that make. St. John: Nice quiet neighborhood. Kubitz: Well I think when you're younger you don't mind that. I think when you get older you... Montgomery: Does anybody else have any more questions for Gayle? Krauss: Well actually somebody, I don't know if it's big enough actually. Who suggested that anyway? You know where Kenny's Market is? That little building...well Kenny's is the biggest tenant and they've always been marginal. Especially now that we have a legitimate market in town and people shop there. And the rest of the uses in there are kind of... St. John: Isn't that where the cleaners are? Krauss: Well the cleaners is a little behind, yeah. And there's one ~ other developer in town... ~ Bragg: But then you'd be forced to have an apartment with a couple of layers. Krauss: It's not that big of space. Heinlein: The new one in town is the biggest one around. The one that's across from me there. That's 3 stories. Krauss: That's 3 stories with an underground garage. Montgomery: Yeah, there'd be less options if it were in that. Krauss: Yeah, that parking lot there...we own the parking lot and St. Hubert's uses it on Sunday and Pauly's uses it when they have a crowd. It's something to consider. Montgomery: Well I remember they had to do a pollution clean-up or something there for the gas station. Krauss: Yeah, that's all been done. Montgomery: That's all, nothing lurking under there? Krauss: Yeah, we cleaned all that up before we put in the street. There's a site we haven't been able to figure out what to do with it, . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 14 I don't know. We'll either put, yo know where the Taco place was? We tore that down. . St. John: In the...TH 5 and 78th S reet? f Krauss: By spring Apple Valley Red is going to be torn down. So you have a big island of land there. We haven't been able to figure out what to do with that. It's fairly long and skinny. One end of it is... highway. Bragg: A little dangerous for seni rs walking. Krauss: Well, we looked at doing p destrian connections like a bridge over the railway tracks and another bridge to the south. I don't know. Maybe if you did it so that you're, I mean there are ways to design buildings when you want to turn you back on something like a highway so that you only have hallways or some hing on that side so all the units face downtown or look back over to t. Hubert's. Something like that. It's not my favorite choice out it' something I'd kind of like... Heinlein: How much acreage is in t ere? Krauss: Quite a lot. I don't know See we own the Hanus building. The to be a lot of junk back there. Bo back there. That whole area is goi cleaning it all up. I St. John: Doesn't that go up towarJs the cemetary there? that? I . Krauss: Well it doesn't, I mean th cemetary. St. John: I said to Betty, that so senior apartments which is very bad There's 5 streets or something that parking place and they see the high not very attractive around there. Heinlein: Well where's ~hat other Paul? The one where they tore all Krauss: Where the stop light is ri front of McDonald's, it's going to to go into the Taco building. It r to take out that apartment building off hand but it's long and skinny. one with the auto place. There used ts and trucks and stuff were stored g to come down. I mean we're Well isn't railroad tracks separate it from the nds a little like the. South Shore for walking. The crossroad there. comes together and then there is no ay going UP from one side and it's ighway going to come through there he buildings down. now, where they're rebuilding in straight north. So it's not going straight north. That's why we had Howard: Yeah. Otherwise you come ff of Dakota and go right straight across. . Krauss: You go straight across, ye h. more land over there than there is access is tough. The only access i So there's actually going to be when we're all done with it. But that place is off of Great Plains. Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 15 Kubitz: Will 78th Street still continue to go right into TH 57 Krauss: No, it's kind of going tO,both of them, 78th Street and the. front road kind of come up like this so they. Kubitz: You can go down 78th Street and get onto TH 57 Krauss: Well, you'll go down 78th Street, go up and then get on TH 101 and then get on TH 5. Montgomery: We'll have to see a map. Howard: If you could have more on that location, because there's more land than the other location, I think it's worth considering. Krauss: We'll get out some maps and see how much land is going to be left. We're talking about building a real nice landscaped feature...with an entrance into downtown, so it's something that would be merged with that. Montgomery: It would be a longer walk however to anything. So that would be quite a long walk. Krauss: If we do these pedestrian bridges we're talking about. Montgomery: It's still a long way to the senior center. Or the market you know. Krauss: When we get the architect out here and we'll draw up a list o~ sites and all of those... Montgomery: That would help. See where the boundaries are and how far it would be from. Gayle Davidge: I think too, Arvid would be very happy to take you to look at some of the products he's already developed so he can get feedback about what you like and what you don't like. Howard: That would be helpful. Montgomery: Well I suppose we should get onto our next item here. Is there anybody else who has a final question for Gayle before we close? Bragg: I'd just like her to give us a list of places that we should go and look at. Gayle Davidge: Okay. I've been talking to Sharmin about that too and I will. I'll put on that list why I think it would be appropriate. Bragg: What the features are that we're supposed to look at. Gayle Davidge: Like Copperfield, I really think some of their features in the recessed doorways is very nice. Very well utilized. . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 16 Montgomery: Well thank you very much Gayle. We appreciate your coming out. . Gayle Davidge: Thank you. I'm excited to start on Phase 2. Montgomery: Yeah. That will be a real challenge. UPDATE ON SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION VACANCIES. Montgomery: Here we have some applications I see. Al-Jaff: We received four applications. However, one of them was a resident of Excelsior so we eliminated that application. We have three applications here. Henry Dimler. Bragg: Let's take him. He's the only man that. AI-Jaff: Grace Johnson and boy, this writing is so small I can't even read it. Howard: Way to go Selda. Heinlein: I decided I am stepping out. AI-Jaff: Really? Heinlein: Yeah. . Montgomery: What did you say? Heinlein: I have definitely decided I am stepping out. Bragg: She wants to rescind this. Montgomery: You don't want this application? Is that legal? Heinlein: I told you at the time that I would think about it and give a decision today. I've thought about it very, very hard. AI-Jaff: And you don't want to be on the Commission? Heinlein: I just feel like I want to start doing things, if I want to go away, if I want to do this, if I want to do that, I want to be free to do it. I've got other reasons too. I mean nothing to do with the group here but I mean it's just, I'm finally going to get to see my one son after 2 years I haven't seen him. I'm going to get up for 4 or 5 days and that's all. I miss my kids. Montgomery: Well, we're going to miss you Selda, that's for sure. Well you come by and put in your two cents worth anytime you want here. St. John: We can still come and visit and listen in on the Commission? . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 17 Montgomery: Oh you bet. Give us all kinds of direction while you're at it. ...Well Selda, we just can't say enough to thank you. ... Kubitz: Did we only have...I thought we had more applications than tha~ AI-Jaff: Well we had 4 applications but one of them was from Excelsior. The applicant is from Excelsior and your By-laws say you can only have a Chanhassen resident. Montgomery: Well Betty, how about you now? Bragg: I'm going to go off and have a man that's applied and that's my seat he's going to take. Montgomery: But we have 3 vacancies. St. John: I'm going off too. Montgomery: See we have 3 vacancies and 2.applicants. Heinlein: Grace Johnson, you know her don't you? That's the one that has been, well she's been out for quite a while but her only problem is that she will need transportation to get back and forth. AI-Jaff: We can arrange that. Heinlein: She's, what is she. Grace is. Bragg: 73. . Heinlein: And she does walk with a cane right now. She's had a couple knee surgeries and she's still walking, and she is really interested in it. Montgomery: Maybe, shall we then wait a little bit and see if we have some more applications? Bragg: Well I think I would accept these two. This Mr. Dimler is born in the Village and he could carryon the traditions and the history. Montgomery: Would anyone know. Heinlein: Yeah, that's who we were talking about, Grace 3ohnson. She's been a member of the Senior Group oh about...the other day Sharmin was there and you've got to sign it. And Dawn was there, you've got to sign it. I said well, I'll think about it. My son told me to stay on. But truthfully there's so many things that I like to do that I'm not able to do it. It seems like all my time now. I spend 2 and 3 days up here at the center. And I mean I just, I like to read. I like to do crossward puzzles. I like to do handwork and don't tell me about the craft...it's not a craft deal. But I just made up my mind and I have another personal reason so. Howard: Selda, do you know this Mr. Dimler? . . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 18 Heinlein: Well I met him. I talked to him. Bragg: Chuck's father. It says he was ex-President of the Chamber of Commerce. Heinlein: Well that's Ursula's father-in-law. Bragg: Yeah, exactly. Howard: I tried to talk Mark Littfin's father into it but. Montgomery: We're still short one person. Krauss: Well you know what we can do is fill two of them now. We had this...Planning Commission. Ask one of you to stay on until we can get another person to apply... Howard: Do you know this has never been in the paper? Heinlein: It has been. Howard: Not in the way that you wanted it. Montgomery: It was during the election or something when nobody was. Krauss: We could mail out notices to the Senior Club. AI-Jaff: If we can wait until about Thursday, I will go and ask one of my neighbors... Heinlein: Oh heavens. Forget it. When I saw her say she wanted, I thought oh, no. You know who I'm talking about. St. John: I know. Heinlein: Well you know we would laugh. She came in one day and we were playing Bingo and we said, oh are you going to play Bingo? Oh no, I just came in for that free cup of coffee. But no, I mean no. Montgomery: another one? Well Paul, how should we handle this if we still need Should we wait to make a vote or should we go ahead? Krauss: Well, I mean I have the same problem with the Planning Commission. What you might want to do, you do it either-two ways. You can fill some of them now and ask one to stay on until we get the other position filled, which will probably be in January. There's so many people coming through the Senior Center now, we have access to so many more names that I'm sure with a little bit of publicity we can get. Bragg: Get one more. Krauss: Otherwise you can just postpone the whole thing until January which gives you time to get some more names. Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 19 Howard: We don't decide anyway do we? Montgomery: Yeah, we d~n't decide. We just make the recommendation. 4It Krauss: You make a1recommendation to the Council and the Council confirms it. Montgomery: Well, maybe we should just wait then. Do you think that would be a better way to do it? So we won't make any motion yet then. Heinlein: Maybe I would fill in if I had to. Krauss: If you all would agree to go through January on the Commission and we'll try to get the names so that at your meeting in January will have, I don't know if that's okay... Bragg: We can do it that way. And then if Selda, she's willing to stay on. Montgomery: You'd rather get the two on now? Bragg: Yes. And let them start in January. Heinlein: But you won't be there. Bragg: That's right we won't so we're just going to sit quietly. Heinlein: You just want to leave is what it amounts to. 4It Bragg: Yeah, I'm going on a trip in January. St. John: So am I. Heinlein: I might know more in a couple weeks but right now I'm on a teeter totter. Montgomery: You don't know if you'll be here in January either then? Heinlein: Well January I should be here. I will be here for the January meeting. St. John: I'll be here in January but I mean if you want to just take these two or would you rather wait with all three until you probably have more? Kubitz: I would rather wait until January. Howard: I would too. You'll be leaving. We live with this Betty. Bragg: here. Yeah, but I look forward to your having two really good people They look interesting... (There was a tape change at this point.) 4It e. . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 20 St. John: That's okay and these two could still be chosen in January. Montgomery: Now who would rather do it now? And accept these two and have someone stay on. ( Bragg: I would prefer to do it that way so that I now I can leave in January. Heinlein: You may leave Betty. Montgomery: Alright, then we'll just delay it until the next, the January session then right? And if we have new people, they can be invited to the January meeting. And we'll hope we'll have another one. Howard: I would like to suggest, having the fourth January meeting. Well it's next on the agenda. Montgomery: In connection with these good people who have spent all this time, both on the task force for a year and 2 years on the Commission, I just would like very much to express our thanks and maybe Paul, you'd like to say something in that connection. Krauss: I feel that Sharmin and I have been priviledged to work with you all. This has been fun for us as well. I mean I think you all need to pat yourselves on the back. You went from there being no recognition of anything for seniors to putting yourselves on the map. I mean there is, you're a vital part of this community. The contributions of seniors are now recognized on a regular basis. The City has an understanding that, in the same way we fund soccer teams and basketball teams, and sweep streets, that one of our fundamental charges is providing for our seniors as a part of our community. I mean it's part of the continum that makes Chanhassen a community. And I think it sets us apart from so many suburbs where you just kind of get lost like every other suburb. We're losing 3 of our members. You're the founding group here. There are good people out there and I'm sure we're going to move forward but you're the founding group. You're the people Sharmin know and. Bragg: The history. Krauss: We're saddened to see the three of you move on but we understand that you've made a real strong contribution here. And we're just glad we had the opportunity to work with you. I want to thank the two people sitting I mean they have made it possible for us Kubitz: May I say something? here that have worked with us. to... Bragg: Absolutely. And I don't think any of that would have been done. Kubitz: They have done a fabulous job with providing us with a center... Bragg: RealI, I'd like to second that. I really feel that this is a unique community and it has, the history of it has been, it was loosely organized and was just a little village. Teeny village and we've seen it Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 21 move into the city status and I know I find myself coming over here more to shop than I did before because I feel a kinship with that and I'm j~~ terribly excited that you're going to be involved with the senior hous~ and there are a lot of things that I think, that I didn't even envision when I was on the task force. So I'm sorry to be leaving but I do feel that other people need to have their voices heard and for that reason that I am moving on to other things. And I was going to say that I am pursuing the Carver County Advisory Committee and I think that's probably enough, although as all of us are saying, we would like to come back and hear what's going on here because that energizes ourselves for other service. Krauss: There's a real vital role. We see this on the Planning Commission. We love it when Planning Commissioners graduate to...and we've already broken them in. There's a whole, I mean there's just a myriad number of organizations that as senior programs, service programs, and to have people who we know who we're comfortable with what Chanhassen is doing. Who know what Chanhassen is doing, out there at County level or at a church level or wherever, we're just being participants of the Senior Center, I mean that's great. I mean you need those networks and that's real vital for us. St. John: I just want to say that I am, feel very priviledged to have worked on the task force and on the Commission and with Sharmin and Paul and I have learned so much. Sometimes I haven't contributed as much as what I would have liked to but I'm really priviledged to have been on this. Howard: I would like to make a suggestion. A lot of buildings have t~ sort of thing. I think we should have a framed, either a plaque that's engraved or something framed for the Senior Center telling when it was dedicated and who was on the Commission at the time. Montgomery: Do you have something that I think is hidden over there? Bragg: Now what would you have done if I had said yeah, I'm going to stay on? Montgomery: Well you get it anyway for your service. Here's for you Betty and you know speaking of networking, you have done such a terrific job of that and you've been so helpful. I just can't say enough to thank you for it. And this is for Selda. And Selda, how would we ever have managed without you just getting in there and all of your publicity accomplishments and keeping the history and all the things you've done. We're going to miss you. And this is for Emma. And we just thank you Emma with all the knowledge that you've had from all your experience at the South Shore Center and all of your helpful suggestions. Really, you've just been great. St. John: Well thank you very much. Montgomery: Always been ready to help out and we just thank you. . . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 22 Heinlein: This is like the last Sunday I attended church at myoId church before I moved up here. The services were over and the pastor said, everybody remain seated. Selda has been a faithful worker in our congregation for how many years. 10 or 12 years. As secretary and etc. and he said, now she's going to go far away from. us. He had me bawling. I couldn't even go up to go the front and accept. Bragg: Well, you've touched us all and thank you. And you have energized us so we're going to go on.. St. John: Are all of you coming to the brunch tomorrow morning? Krauss: No, I've got my one son has basketball and the other one has Scouts. Bragg: He has family responsibilities too, right. St. John: And he has come. He's been there. Montgomery: Well we're going to have to get on with our hurry up agenda here. 3ANUARY MEETING TIME. Montgomery: everybody. January. We wondered if having it on the 22nd would be alright with Is there any problem with that? There are 5 Fridays in Howard: I would really appreciate it. Then I won't miss the meeting and I'm going in February but I can make the third one in February. I can work around it and not miss a meeting if we can do that. Montgomery: Is that alright with you? Krauss: Yep. Montgomery: Okay Sharmin? Okay. Make a note then. Krauss: If we can get the architect out, we may ask some evening kind of aS$er:ble informally sometime. If we did that, we'd probably get a bus and probably have lunch. We'll try to give you enough notice. Montgomery: Okay. Did you say something about another meeting Sherol or was that the one you were talking about? The 22nd. Howard: No, that was the one. I really do appreciate it. UPDATE ON SENIOR ANSWER LINE (SAL). Bragg: Sharmin and I both attended the Senior Answer Line meeting and my feeling was that they left it a little bit, they didn't accomplish all that they were going to do. We didn't hear a vote did we? Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 23 Al-Jaff: They didn't vote. However, I spoke with Jerry meeting, who's the director of...and he said that he had about it that it will be approved. more after the a good feeling . to were the two Bragg: I had the same thing. Now the people I talked out going commissioners. The one from Chanhassen. AI-Jaff: Al Klingelhutz. Bragg: Al Klingelhutz and then Mr. Conservative. I can't think of his name but those are the two out going persons and even the one that was so conservative in his asking for us to find out more costs, told me that he would vote for it but I don~t know if he'll even be in office in January. He said he would have vote for it because I tackled him a little bit. He was trying to look for some funding from SAL for it and I talked to Vicky Peterson. She said, oh SAL won't pay for anything because they don't have any money she said. Howard: What did they do with all that mo~ey that they had? Bragg: I don't know but whoever's allocating all that. See there are several counties and there's only this one county that will benefit it first. AI-Jaff: Maybe this program does not qualify under their funding system. One thing that one of the commissioners kept on pointing out, why is Chanhassen doing that? Where's the catch? Bragg: That's the one I think I'm talking about. That's Mr. Conservative and I can't think of his name. . AI-Jaff: And after a while I just said, if we don't get the County, I said Chanhassen wants this program and Senior Answer Line does not go into a city only. They have to service the entire county. So without the County helping us out with this, we're not going to be able to get the service. Bragg: I would like to say one more thing and I know it's probably going to be written. But several people said to me that since we were Eastern Carver County, that we were under suspicion every time we propose something. It's this old, well who are you anyway because it's grown so and they're used to handling all the power over the rest of the county and when we start to, we're the young upstarts and they tend to be very suspicious of everything we do. And so after the meeting was over, the person that I had put in charge of the subcommittee that brought out all the costs and were presenting the items to ask for budget, said to me, is there a way we could disguise that the phone is even being answered over here. She suggested that we have a different signal. Not that, you know that there be a buzzard or different sound that when the computer was accessed from the western part of the county, that there be a different sound so they don't know that it's going through the Chanhassen exchange. I couldn't believe that. This is really something. I had a suspicion that it was rural areas feeling that here's a city that's emerging tha~ bigger than any of us and that they're kind of, like the tail wagging ~ . . . Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 24 dog see. But I just wanted to point that out to you, and I know it's going to be on the...but r still risk that she brought up. AI-Jaff: When the phone is going to be answered, it's not going to say Senior Answer Line. It's going to say, you have reached the City of Chanhassen. If you want, after hours. Bragg: Oh after hours. AI-Jaff: If you would like Administration, push 5. Public Safety, push 3. Senior Center, push 6. Senior Answer Line, push whatever number. That's what it says right now. Bragg: Is there any way you could, would they have to have a different number or something assigned to it? AI-Jaff: I personally am starting to get offended with this attitude. Bragg: Well I was offended. AI-Jaff: Chanhassen children go to Chaska schools and no one has ever complained about that so what's wrong with Chanhassen having the Senior Answer Line? Bragg: Except that we have Watertown, Young America, there's another little town close to Young America. Howard: New Germany. Norwood. St. John: Mayer. Bragg: And there's another town. St. John: Waconia. Bragg: Waconia. That's a bigger town. And then there's another one, Cologne. St. John: That's south of Waconia. Bragg: Okay. But all of them have been established and have been in charge. They've had the power. Now here all of a sudden, here I use the expression young upstart and I think it's adviseable. That they're not used to hearing from us. Heinlein: That's why I'm surprised I got along so well around here. Coming up from Chicago, I really felt as though when I joined the Senior Group at first, I mean there was no acknowledgement of me at all. It took quite a while before I could say anything you know. Bragg: It's nothing that we can change but I heard it so often as I was leading that group and then when the subcomittee person, who is very, she's an authority on geriatrics and...in that area, was telling me that she thought that would be a very good idea. Is to be able to disguise Senior Commission Meeting December 11, 1992 - Page 25 the source and where the computer is. Heinlein: Who is this? . Bragg: Marvel Heath. I'm glad I passed it on to you then. ( Montgomery: When will we have the final word? Do you think in January? AI-Jaff: Well we're hoping that we would implement, at least we would get all the approvals over and done with in December. And then I will have to contact Julie and Julie will pick up the rest of the work. At least getting it approved through her commission and then we will go through implementing and installing the service and hopefully come February we will be able to have the service available. Montgomery: We can hope. But maybe you could work out some of those details. Maybe talk to Marvel Heath. I don't know. AI-Jaff: I would rather talk to Gary Borch. Bragg: Yeah, I would say that's what you should do too. AI-Jaff: I mean Gary asked me if they can contract hours with us and I said...so it is a County service. Montgomery: Well then he would be the one then. AI-Jaff: Yeah. Bragg: I think he must be sensitive to this too. . AI-Jaff: remember. Borch? He was extremely helpful. I mean the County was, Betty I don't You weren't at the meeting were you when we met with Gary Bragg: No. AI-Jaff: Okay. They proposed to pay $12.75 per hour for the Director and we were thinking that maybe Dawn could pick up those 10 hours. Be part of her overall job. And that's why we used her salary. Her hourly salary. They were willing to pay benefits. They will pay for the phone line. Anything that 1-800 number will cost quite a bit and the County's picking that up. I mean those were all things that came from the County. And I really liked working with Gary. Howard: His attitude was apparent from the first meeting. Bragg: That didn't surprise me as I said but the commission was in favor. I did sense that even as I say the one. He is going off and I don't know who's taking his place but Ursula Dimler is taking Klingelhutz' place. And so if I didn't hear action like a motion was made, seconded and carried, I didn't hear that. But I'm hearing that they didn't think that that was expensive at all. Because they had just . e. e e Senior Commission Meeting December ii, 1992 - Page 26 got through passing something that was a million dollars and here's is only $10,000.00. Montgomery: Well let's hope all of this will work out then. I Bragg: I think it will. It's just a matter of time. AI-Jaff: We're all Carver County. I mean why do they have to keep pointing out that we're Chanhassen, this is Chaska... Bragg: I think it's going to go away but just be sensitive to it. Montgomery: Sharmin, how about our time here? AI-Jaff: The bus is outside waiting. Lunch is upstairs waiting. DISCUSSION ON STARTING A CHANHASSEN HISTORICAL SOCIETY. Montgomery: Well we had better get on with it then. I think what we'll do with the discussion, number 7 of the Historical Society, we will take that up in January. And I think Dawn was going to talk to somebody, Karen I think, about that. And somebody has already got something in motion wanting to start a branch so maybe we don't have to worry about it. We can be supportive of it but we'll find out. SENIOR COMMISSION COMMENTS. Montgomery: Okay, does anybody have anything else before we close? Bragg: I'm making this fast because I did get something that I would call kind of a scam item and I said I'd like to just present it. It came addressed to me. St. John: I got one of those too and that's the second one I've gotten. Bragg: I think it's the second one I've gotten too and it's selling beauty. Can aging be reversed and it says, try it. It's only half price and it's...so they're hiding who they are and. St. John: No return on it and I don't know. Montgomery: Do you want to put in here and we'll give that to Sharmin. Bragg: Get a collection of them. St. John: I almost accused Earl's daughter who lives in Los Angeles of just picking it up. Howard: ...Golden Terrace. Has anyone heard of Golden Terrace? 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HOKE PHONE: '17#- /? /,~ .f . ". BIRTHDATE (optional): tf -/J- /'11'/- CITY: (!.../L.L/ ,l..f.4 t ZIP: ~5, 1""71 ? WOU PHONE: ~.,4~ Cf BOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEII A USIDENT OP CHUDlASSEII?: /b, A~~, ~ c;::r HIGHEST LEVEL OP BDUCATIOII A'1"1'AIlfBD, PLUS I)BGUES, :IP BY: q- ~tv<ttd. ~v ~'" fl.f 1-?~~ CURRENT BKPLOYXBNT: (State position, employer' ):)rief description of duties. If with present employer for only a short ti.e, list previous employment as vell. ) . REASONS POR SEEltIIIG HIS POSITIOII AHD YOUR gUALIPICATIOIIS: :ir ~Il ~ .dv~ tJ2<<~ ~.-- . I ~ IN PILING HIS APPLICATIOII, I OIIDERSTUD !'HAT A COMKITXEIIT OP KY TIME, ENERGY, INTEREST AHD PARTICIPATIOII WILL .B IIfVOLVED, AHD I AX PREPARED TO MAD SUCK A COMMITXENT III HE EVENT I AX APPOINTED TO THE ABOVE COMMISSIOII. 1trt)j {5,,:12 ,;"d~ SIGNA UO . . . ~ ~ - < ~ e ~ ~ ;:J 0' ~ ~ > ~ ~ ~ e u.l ~ ~ ~ o u . z ~ Z :t: Q ..., LoU U >- < a: c.o c c .... fI'.l .... =-5 C'-. ... -5 e--- 0 'i .8 'i c .... -5 0 R g .... fI) .... 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If re fl-R S BIGHEST LEVEL 01' BDUCATION ATTAINED, PLUS DBGREES, II' ANY: II/GII S- c.. /10 0 L- fL t.> S 5 pEc, G 0 c.J R 5';..5 CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: (State position, employer' brief description of duties. If with present em-ploye~ for only a short ti.e, list previous employaent as well. ) --!1. F T I ~ E Ci 3t -rffITR....5 \..</iT1+ N/tvN€-GflSco R-S SERuIGEMA,..! (R- PPJ./) r-+ IV 0 W ~ l<' /~ G 1 IV ..s T R E E:T I\ E~-r- ACTIVITIES AND AFFILIATIONS: (Include elective offices, honors and recognitions received, if any.) ~ , r . c>rFIC-If.~ k/~"'-h' Kc-Ls or-FtC-fER" ,'tv' U..~_I .s .[) R IIJ Ii:- R 1-"0 A. / E IT f? .c., 1'9 Go -' 19 c.. T, ~ ~ w,/ 5e tV, '0 ReENTeR, 1'16 Rot....s 0 L.cJHEeL,S REASONS POR SEEKING THIS POSITION AND YOUR QUALIFICATIONS: ~- .J: w'Df,)~O L" J( E r-o fA k'E" l' ~ R, I tV jilE- \ 5 EN/OR. <; t , ;t1 c.. r , 1/ } r r.-J< 1-1 '0 v c; I 'I\) ~ ,R-1tll:'J o1'HER . IN FILING THIS APPLICATION, I UNDBRSTAND '!'BAT A COKMITKBNT OF MY TIME, ENERGY, INTEREST AND PARTICIPATION WILL BB INVOLVED, AND I AM PREPARED TO HAD SUCH A COKMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE ABOVE COKMISSION. ~Ii~ SIGNATURE __ ..... RECEIVED . DEe 1 6 1992 CITY OF CHANHASSEN