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CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 26, 2010
Mayor Furlong called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was opened with the
Pledge to the Flag.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
Mayor Furlong, Councilman Litsey, Councilwoman
Ernst, Councilwoman Tjornhom, and Councilman McDonald
STAFF PRESENT:
Todd Gerhardt, Laurie Hokkanen, Kate Aanenson, Paul Oehme, Todd
Hoffman, Greg Sticha and Jill Sinclair
PUBLIC PRESENT:
Patty Besser 6518 Gray Fox Curve
Barb Nevin 6361 Minnewashta Woods
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Mayor Furlong: Thank you and welcome to everyone here in the council chambers as well as
those watching at home. We’re glad that you joined us. I’d like at this time to just start with the
council and ask if there are any changes or modifications to the overall agenda this evening. I
would like to add one item which is a resolution in support of safety and expansion. Safety
improvements and expansion and funding for Highway 212 and Minnesota Highway 5 which
we’ll add as item (k) under our consent agenda. If there are no other changes or modifications
we’ll proceed with the agenda as prepared. The other thing I’m going to do just for ease of
saving myself jumping up and down, I’m going to switch a couple of the public announcements
to the item E before item D today as well so. Let me start with that. I’d like to extend an
invitation to all residents and guests to our annual Arbor Day celebration. In 1876 Minnesota
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became the fourth state to adopt Arbor Day as an annual celebration. On May 8 Chanhassen
will celebrate our Arbor Day which we have done each year, to set aside time to consider what
trees do for all of us in our community. Planting trees adds beauty and character to our
neighborhoods. Reduces energy costs. Increases property values and provides other benefits as
well. Elton Trueblood said it best when he said a man has finally begun to discover the meaning
of human life when he plants a tree under which he knows he may well never sit. So today and
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on through Arbor Day on May 8 we’ll plant trees for the benefit of others tomorrow. As I said
I’d like to invite all area residents, their families and friends to Chanhassen’s Arbor Day on
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Saturday, May 8 at Lake Ann Park. The group is going to gather at 9:00 a.m. at the Hilltop
shelter for a welcome and we’ll have local students from Excelsior Elementary will be there to
read poems that they’ve written about trees. There’ll also be a tree planting demonstration and
volunteers will plant 20 shade trees in Lake Ann Park. Refreshments will be served and I would
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invite everyone to come join us on May 8 for our annual Arbor Day celebration out at Lake
Ann Park. Very good. At this time I’m going to come down in front and make some
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presentations regarding our Arbor Day poster contest winners and also provide some certificates
and Maple Leaf awards to some of our volunteers.
PRESENTATION OF ARBOR DAY POSTER CONTEST WINNERS.
Mayor Furlong: Joining me here are two of our Environmental Commission members, J.R.
Relick and Amy Wenner so thank you to them for their service on our Environmental
Commission and being here tonight as well. On behalf of the Chanhassen City Council and our
Environmental Commission I would like to congratulate all the winners of this year’s Arbor Day
poster contest. The City has been sponsoring this contest for 11 years as a part of our annual
Arbor Day activities. Every year local fifth graders are invited to submit drawings based on the
annual theme. This year’s theme was, “Tree are Terrific and Energy Wise”. The City of
Chanhassen would like to thank all the fifth graders at St. Hubert’s school and Bluff Creek
Elementary School for their wonderful drawings. We’d also like to thank Lotus Lawn and
Garden for their generous donation to the grand prize winner of a potted tree of his or her choice.
Please visit the Chanhassen Library over the coming weeks to see all the posters that were
submitted. The framed winning poster will hang in City Hall along with the past winners as
well. Each of the runner-up will receive a potted pine tree that they can pick up at this year’s
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spring tree sale which is May 1, this coming Saturday out at the Public Works center. What I’d
like to do now is invite the runners-up to come forward and join us up here. And I apologize in
advance if I mess up any names. Shireen Golban. Timmy Zeien. Nikki Peitz. Lauren Michels.
Michael Anderson. Hallie Aanenson. Skylar Risch. Not here? Okay. Hanna Lea. And Annika
Wellman. There you go. Now I’d like to invite this year’s grand prize winner Lauren Tritch to
come forward. Lauren’s poster won not only our city contest but was forwarded to the State
competition as well where it took third place in the State. As I said earlier a copy of this print
will hang up in our city hall in the hallway where the other ones, the past winners are hung as
well in a permanent location and we’d also like to present to Lauren here a gift certificate from
Lotus Lawn and Garden in appreciation as well so congratulations. Can we get a picture? Very
good. Congratulations to all of you. Good job.
PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION AND MAPLE LEAF
AWARDS TO COMMISSIONERS.
Mayor Furlong: We’d also like to recognize some citizens who volunteer and work on our
various commissions and help City Councils throughout the years. We’d like to start with
presenting a couple Certificates of Appreciation. The first to Neil Anderson. Neil was appointed
by the City of Chanhassen to the Southwest Transit Commission in 2007 and successfully
completed his term on that commission. Neil was a very active member of the commission.
Always come to the meetings prepared, actively participating and helping the commission move
forward. He served as the commission’s Secretary and Treasurer during the last 2 years of his
term as well. During his time on the commission Southwest Transit was recognized in many
ways. Some of the most notable is that it was named the Minnesota Top Public Transportation
Association System of the Year. Received the American Public Transportation Association Gold
Award for Safety in both 2008 and 2009. They received the Independent School District #287
Outstanding Player Award, and also received a Certificate of Achievement for Excellence in
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Financial Reporting for the Government Financial Officer’s Association both in 2008 and 2009.
So Neil, on behalf of the City of Chanhassen we’d like to thank you for your service on the
Southwest Commission and throughout the City. Thank you very much.
Neil Anderson: Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Is Thor here? No? Let’s move on then. We have some Maple Leaf Awards to
distribute this evening. Kevin Dillon is the first one. Kevin has served both on the Park and
Recreation Commission and the Planning Commission for the City of Chanhassen. Kevin was
first appointed to the Park and Rec Commission in 2004 and served a three year term there prior
to moving to the Planning Commission. During his service on the Park and Rec Commission
was a time that we saw numerous special projects completed. With Kevin’s help and leadership
new playgrounds were installed in various neighborhood parks including Chanhassen Hills,
Curry Farms Park, North Lotus Lake, Meadow Green and Rice Marsh Lake. All these new
playgrounds were installed with the assistance of hundreds of hours and many people volunteers,
citizens volunteering as well. It was a great effort. Larger playground projects were completed
at Lake Ann and Lake Susan Parks and Kevin helped out during the new City Center Park right
here at City Hall with the dedication back in 2004. In 2006 Kevin was appointed to the Planning
Commission. During his service on the commission a number of major projects were
accomplished as well. Most notable the completion of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan plus many
developments including Arboretum Business Park, Chanhassen High School, the Southwest
Transit Park and Ride and numerous others. Kevin, I’d like to thank you on behalf of the City
Council and the City of Chanhassen and all the residents for your service on the Park and
Recreation Commission and Planning Commission over these last 6 years. Thank you. Dan
Keefe. Dan was appointed to the Planning Commission in 2004. During his 6 years he brought
a unique perspective to the Planning Commission and his passion for the city was evident during
discussions and conversations that he had. During his tenure a number of major projects were
approved. Again the completion of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan. Many developments were
reviewed and approved including the Arboretum Business Park, Chanhassen High School,
Southwest Transit Park and Ride, many subdivisions including Liberty on Bluff Creek, Settlers
West, The Preserve, Pinehurst, Lake Harrison. Thank you Dan for your years of dedication and
service to our city on the Planning Commission. I really appreciate all your contributions.
Dan Keefe: Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Now I’d like to invite Curt Robinson. You made it. Curt was appointed to the
Senior Commission in 2004 and has been an instrumental member of that commission during the
last 6 years. A number of his many accomplishments that he served as representative of the
Carver County Health Partnership, was Chair of our Senior Commission, recruited volunteers for
the Smart Link Transportation, volunteered for delivery of Meals on Wheels, approached
Chanhassen businesses and advocated for installation of senior citizen parking signs, which we
see around many spots in the city. Volunteered to teach computer basics to seniors and arranged
for the Chanhassen Lion’s Club to sponsor the Annual Senior Picnic out at Lake Ann which
draws hundreds of our residents. Just a great event. The seniors in Chanhassen as well as Carver
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County are very fortunate and honored to have you as part of our community. On behalf of the
City Council and all the residents thank you very much for all your service. Thank you.
CONSENT AGENDA: Councilwoman Ernst moved, Councilman McDonald seconded to
approve the following consent agenda items pursuant to the City Manager’s
recommendations:
a. Approval of Minutes:
-City Council Work Session Minutes dated April 12, 2010
-City Council Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated April 12, 2010
Receive Commission Minutes:
-Planning Commission Work Session Minutes dated April 6, 2010.
Resolution #2010-34:
c. Audubon Road Reconstruction Project 10-02: Call Assessment
Hearing.
e. Water Supply Plan: Approve Amendment to Permit 1981-6089.
Resolution #2010-35:
f. Approve Resolution Establishing No Parking Zone in City Center
Parking Ramp.
g. Approve Payment to Chanhassen Dinner Theater for Relocation Expenses.
Resolution #2010-36:
h. Approve 2009 Fund Transfers to the Revolving Assessment
Construction Fund.
Resolution #2010-37:
i. Approve Resolution Proclaiming May 8, 2010 as Arbor Day.
Resolution #2010-38:
j. Accept $2,000 Donation from General Mills for Chanhassen
Safety Camp.
Resolution #2010-39:
k. Approve Resolution in Support of Funding for US Highway 212
and Minnesota Highway 5.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS:
Patty Besser: Well good evening Council people and Mayor.
Mayor Furlong: Good evening.
Patty Besser: You’ve never met me. Todd has met me and Paul has met me.
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Mayor Furlong: Okay.
Patty Besser: My name is Patty Besser. I live up in, at 6518 Gray Fox Curve in Chanhassen.
Up in the Fox Hollow development. Well last November, we’ve been dealing with this issue
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since last November. On November 3 there was a, it was a normal work day. It’s a Tuesday.
There was a watermain break in my neighborhood. Right in the middle of the street. So I have a
brand new driveway. My driveway is 8 weeks old. Concrete. 5 inches thick. In, does anybody
have an idea of what the number one thing in emergency is? What’s the number one culprit in
emergency? Anybody know? No one knows?
Mayor Furlong: Well why don’t you just.
Patty Besser: Time. Time is a factor in everything, right? Whether you’re having a heart attack.
When you have an emergency of any sort, it’s time. So the longer it takes for you to respond, the
worst the damage gets. Correct? So anyway my neighbor, lives across the street from me. His
name is Ron McDougall. He called City Hall. This was mid morning. Called City Hall. The
phone rings and it rings and it rings. The watermain has broken. I mean it’s just a small, it’s a
small pooling at the time right. Nobody in the city has still answered the telephone. As it rings.
This is now getting bigger. The water is eroding out from underneath this water. This hole and
it’s getting bigger and bigger. Still no one answers. So Ron doesn’t know what to do. He hangs
up the phone. He calls 911. What can 911 do? They couldn’t do anything for us unfortunately.
So they transfer him back to the city. Again this hole is getting bigger. There’s thousands of
gallons of water going down our street. Thousands of gallons pumped out of this watermain.
This watermain didn’t just take out the road. This watermain took out the curb. The whole curb
was missing at the end of my driveway. Remember this driveway is 8 weeks old. Then, after it
takes out, it erodes. Takes out all this dirt. Everything. It takes out the curb. Now it’s taking
out my driveway. If my driveway’s 35, I’ve got pictures for you guys to have too. Or that you
can look at. My driveway is 25 feet wide by 35 feet long with a slope. You know how high
pressure water is? Well guess what, it shot water approximately 25 feet up into my driveway.
This concrete company did a wonderful job on it. We’ve had specialists come out and look at it.
They, the sections are 8 foot. I have 3 split, or 3 sections by 4 sections high. The watermain
break pushed the water so high that it damaged 8 of 12 so far. 8 of 12. The 3 first bottom ones
next to the curb. That’s what was missing. The next 3 above that and the 2 above that on the left
hand side have now, those 2 just cracked in the last couple weeks. Again time is a factor. The
city still hasn’t responded. This water is still pouring and how much force does it take to push
that water 25 feet under a 5 foot, a 5 inch thick driveway uphill? It’s a lot of force. These guys
were out. They saw the specialist. Todd. Paul. Both out at my driveway. The specialist came
from Knife River. He was, he wasn’t there to represent me. I had never met him before. He
was a specialist to talk about how concrete reacts to certain things. This guy gave us all a lesson
in concrete. He did a great job. Well the thing is is that this damage, he told how it damaged my
driveway basically and how it teetered, it’s cracked. It’s buckled. All these sections are cracked.
It’s buckled. We put a level on it. It teeter tottered. He talked about how much damaging that
could be. So anyway city never responds. They haven’t answered, they still haven’t answered
their phone call yet. It took them forever because time is such a huge factor in anything. So to
me this shows a lack of concern. They finally answer the phone. When the city did answer, I
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don’t know who answered the phone. I don’t know. But I’m sure we could trace it back. We
can trace that 911 call back too. So anyway, but when they finally answered, the person that
responds that answers the phone, my neighbor Ron told them that we had a watermain break.
You know what their response was? We’ll get out there this afternoon and take a look at it. This
is gushing. We already have, he said, Ron said we already have a problem. We have a river
going down our block. Both directions. It was literally a river. So then, so remember time is
still a factor. By the time then the city, you know who knows how long it took this person to
respond to anybody. To call anybody or whatever. Nobody came out to shut that watermain off
for the longest time. Again remember, time is a factor. So anyway I feel that the neglect of the
city to not answer the telephone. To let it ring and ring and ring and ring and ring. If they, if we
would have waited to the afternoon, I probably wouldn’t even have a driveway. Friend of mine
said we probably wouldn’t even have a neighborhood if we waited to the afternoon. That’s how
big this watermain turned out. The watermain measured, the sink hole. The sink hole went from
a little sink hole to a big sink hole to take, to eroding out all the stuff under the curb for that to
sink. It eroded half of my drive, all the stuff under my driveway out to make it buckle. To make
it crack. This eroded so badly that, I mean how do you, I mean I just don’t even know what we
do. It is very frustrating because they’re saying it’s not that but it’s all pushed out. There’s
Class V. You know how when you put a driveway in, you have the boards in? You pour the
concrete. They come back a couple days later. They pull the boards out. Guess what? They
pulled the boards out. There’s no Class V on the side. It’s all washed out from this watermain.
It’s all washed out. It’s on the sides. I have proof of it in the thing. I have proof showing the
curb is gone. I talked to Kevin Crooks one day. He came out to my driveway. We did talk for a
few minutes. He told me how rotten the pipes are in the city of Chanhassen. Do you think the
negligence of the city not answering the phone and stuff is my responsibility? Do you think any
of that? Todd tried to tell me the other day, he wrote it in a letter saying this is an act of God.
Well what is an act of God? An act of God. I Googled it. It comes out that it’s a natural, a
natural catastrophe. God had nothing to do with this. God didn’t put my watermain, to put that
watermain in. He didn’t put the water in there. That is nothing. The City is negligent. If they
would have answered the phone the first time Ron called, they could have probably saved my
driveway. It probably could have, it might have been just a small little hole that would have
been in the street. But no. This sink hole is 25 feet by 10 ½ feet across. It’s in the middle of the
road. That’s how big the sink hole got…then it took out the curb, because we had to have a curb
company come in. Then all the damage to my driveway along with it. So to me the City is liable
to help fix this driveway up to what it was before. I paid some good money for, I had one pour.
I had a curb. I had a walkway and I had a driveway. The driveway alone I said was 25 feet by
35 feet. And how would you feel if it was your driveway out there and you’re up here begging
for mercy? Eight sections have cracked. Just give it a couple more weeks and I’m sure more of
them are going to crack. I mean I love living in the city of Chanhassen. I’ve been here for 16
years. I’ve lived in the same house for 16 years. I know all my neighbors. We just had, there
was just another watermain up there 3 weeks ago. That was probably caught a little earlier. It’s
a smaller hole. It’s only probably about 10 feet long by about 5 feet across and it took out the
curb also. But to me always time is a factor of everything. I’m, I don’t know what to say and I
just think that, that the act, this is the act of negligence and concern by the City of Chanhassen.
The employees. The staff. Whoever you want to blame to respond in any kind of timely manner
to an emergency. That is what caused the damage to my driveway. Like I said if they would
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have caught it and got out there sooner, we might have just had a tiny little hole in the road. But
it took out a lot more than that and that’s why I feel the City of Chanhassen’s liable to take care
of this driveway and repair what I had.
Mayor Furlong: Alright.
Patty Besser: And I will give you, I’ll give you the, I have.
Mayor Furlong: Please do. You have some handouts for us?
Patty Besser: I do. In here, in my packet there’s, I gave. Yeah, 5. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. There’s 5
packets. You can look at the pictures. When you’re done looking at the pictures you’re free to
call me. My phone number is on here. There’s 30 pictures in here. They start out from the early
time of showing the curb missing, which is dirt all over it. Showing how wide, wide the damage
in the sink hole are. All the way to all the damage that was done on it.
Mayor Furlong: Okay.
Patty Besser: So the first picture if you look in your packet, the first picture here is, this is a
picture of my, of the driveway. Rebar. 2 foot on center. I was told by someone that 2 foot on
center, you know how hard it is to crack 2 foot on center of rebar? The concrete when it’s put on
there? It’s pretty hard. You don’t have to believe me.
Mayor Furlong: If you want to set any pictures. Thank you. So anybody watching home can
see as well.
Patty Besser: This way? Okay. Okay. The next picture that I will show you is, you can see
here all the, the rebar’s 2 foot on center there. Okay. So now, the next picture, the second
picture in your packet is a completed picture by the 30-30 Concrete. These guys did, when we
talked to the specialist that I, that is in here a little bit farther, this company did a better than
average job. They went above and beyond the standards of putting this concrete in. The joints
are only 8 feet instead of 10 feet. Slab. With a 5 inch, with a 5 inch concrete base. This is one
of the pictures of it. That’s one of the pictures of a completed driveway. The next, the third
picture is another picture of a completed driveway. This has the boards still in place as you can
see. How would you, if there was, the Class V that’s on the side. I made a notation on the side
of your pieces of paper showing where some of the Class V is at right there. That’s after these
boards were taken out and after the watermain broke. That’s how much it washed out. The next
is a copy of a letter by a gentleman, his name was Jim Ford. I didn’t, I just asked for a concrete
specialist from the company that provided the concrete. So I didn’t even meet this gentleman
until that day when he walked out to my driveway. You can see he’s certified by the State of
Minnesota and by MnDOT. He went through and talked about how this water that’s in these
watermains damaged the driveway and blew up into it. These next couple ones are just more of
his credentials from the ACI. He told me I could look it up myself. So I did. And there he is.
The next person listed is James Berg. This gentleman came out to my driveway with Paul and
Todd. This guy, his card says Estimator/Project Manager. Nothing about concrete specialist.
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Nothing about concrete specialist and this guy is trying to tell us there’s no way water could do
this. Well you’d better tell that to the concrete specialist that that can happen. And then here’s,
here’s just a definition of the act of God, telling you it’s a catastrophe. And my last part is a
copy of the letter in meeting about the, about the damage being done. That your water damaged
my driveway. If you read down into it the City did nothing to cause the watermain break that
flooded your driveway. Hard for me to believe when if the City would have responded in a
timely manner and with any kind of concern, like I said we wouldn’t have had, we wouldn’t
have, we’ve still, I’d still have a curb. I’d still have the original curb. I would have a perfect
driveway like I had before. But now I don’t any of that. I got a good curb to a certain degree.
These gentleman saw that the curb was not inspected. I proved to them the other day that the
curb in front of my house was not inspected because of the last picture in that packet you’ll see
the close up picture of it. What it is is just a chunk of, all they did was, they threw on concrete
on piece of a chunk so it would crack right away. A week later. Now it’s almost like nothing
there. It’s pretty much all shredded away. There’s very little concrete still in that spot so I still
think, and so the City needs to come out and see this. They really do. Our taxpayer money is
paying for this company to excavate. There’s also a hole. I forgot to show it to these gentlemen.
There’s a hole in the middle of the concrete. It’s about in the middle, it’s almost in the middle of
the curb. About the size of a quarter and in 2 years, I bet in 2 years that that part of that curb will
be crushed because with water getting into it, freezing. You know unthawing. Getting back and
forth. Back and forth. It will probably crush so really you need to go back to the excavating
company. The City needs to come out and inspect them, like I was told they had done. Again,
and really take a look at this work. I encourage all of you to come out to my place. And if you
would like, Jim Ford said he would be more than happy to speak with any of you by phone or by
coming out to talk to you all together as a group.
Mayor Furlong: Okay.
Patty Besser: So but it was because of time and a lack of concern and nobody answering that
telephone. That’s what caused it. It was, like I said it was mid morning. Tuesday. Where was
everybody? Who was supposed to be on the phone? Isn’t that a 24/7? I used to work, I used to
work doing angiography. You know what? If there was a heart attack, I had to have my butt at
the hospital in less than a half an hour because if you’re having a heart attack, guess what? Same
thing. Time is a factor. That’s just that much less the damage so.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you for your comments. I guess first of all Mr. Gerhardt, thoughts and
comments on this.
Todd Gerhardt: I don’t disagree with anything that Patty said with the exception that you know,
I don’t know if us being out there any earlier would have improved the condition of the
driveway. That’s up for interpretation. From the cause of the watermain break, I don’t believe
the City is liable. We have hot soils in that area. We have hot soils. They attack the cast iron
pipes in the area. They erode the pipe. The pipe gets weak from the pressure from the
watermain and that’s what causes the watermain to break. The only solution to that is to wrap
the pipes in a replacement when they’re time to be replaced, you would wrap them in poly to
separate the pipe from the soils. With that I had to support our insurance company’s opinion on
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it. You know if we drove on her driveway, if we did something to break that watermain I could
see the City being liable. We try our best to get out to sites as soon as we can. We have the non-
emergency number. We have, somebody’s always carrying a pager 24/7. I don’t know who Ron
called. I don’t know what number he called.
Patty Besser: He called the City of Chanhassen.
Todd Gerhardt: But there is a non-emergency number to contact which will then contact our
utility department. But he was right in calling 911. They should know how to get a hold of us
too down there and we have probably 30 watermain breaks a year and this is another occurrence
as one of those. Sometimes we will do damage, or the water will do damage through drainage
or flooding basements and you know again, I’m trying to figure out what the City did wrong to
cause us to be liable to replace Patty’s driveway.
Patty Besser: Council should seek a comment about how I was treated when I was out at my
driveway. I felt threatened by Todd. Not once. Not twice. Five times. Five times. Five times
he did this. He did a little active motion to me. He said, do you remember what you said? If I
were you I wouldn’t go down that road with me. To me I took that as a personal threat. Because
I’m a woman that lives in Chanhassen, I took that as a threat. If you said it once, well I could
kind of give or take that but no. He said it five times. He looked at his watch like I was taking
up his time that night. Three times. Yeah, give me that look Todd. Go ahead. Three times. I
watched you. I watched very closely. Not only that, you wanted to go over and play with the
neighbor’s dog. Why the heck are you going over to play with the Ron’s dog and throw the ball
for. You’re here to discuss my driveway. How do you think the taxpayers feel about that?
Mayor Furlong: Okay.
Todd Gerhardt: I’m not even going to get into what Patty said to me. And what she said to the
dog you know. She was accusing me of not coming out last November to her site. She accused
Paul Oehme of doctoring emails and I said you know that’s not going to help matters.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright.
Patty Besser: Let me take that back. He did not come out to my driveway in November. They
lied to me. Todd. 9:00. It’s documented on my calendar. It wasn’t even in November. It was
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December 23. 9:00. I talked to Todd on the phone. I was at work. I work over next to
Bachman’s. I work in the medical field. I get this phone call. We discussed about getting
together and meeting. Fine. I said you know what? I have most Monday’s off so let’s get
together on a Monday. Why don’t you see if, he wanted to bring a concrete rep out from DayCo.
Fine. But I said that’s not fair. It’s you, your representative against me. That’s real fair. That
shows discrimination there. So, he goes fine. Then do you want to have someone else so I was
going to have my concrete person come out. He calls me back an hour and 15 minutes. I looked
at my computer. I get a phone call an hour and 15 minutes later. At 10:15 I get a phone call
saying well, the DayCo rep couldn’t meet out at here, out at your premises. Why didn’t he call
me? He said they went out there. Him and the DayCo rep. Went out there. Why didn’t you call
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me? I could have taken my lunch break and left and gone out to my driveway and met up with
them for a few minutes. But here’s the thing. They’ve caught lying about going out there that
day. All three of these guys. Paul, Todd and DayCo rep all lied about going out to my house
that day and they did not, and the reason is is because they wanted to see if this was, they said we
want to wait til spring to see if this is a shrinkage crack or a settling crack. Fine. I said fine.
Send me a letter saying that we talked about this and this would be brushed under the carpet.
You know what? I never received a letter and I never received an email. If I didn’t contact the
City, it was not going to get done. I finally had an email saying, hey it’s been over 3 months
now. I have all those emails.
Mayor Furlong: Okay.
Patty Besser: I’m just letting you know. If you want to see any of that stuff, meet anybody, I
have it all.
Mayor Furlong: Alright.
Patty Besser: So, and whenever you want to, if you want to just, I don’t know if you want to
send the pictures back or what you want to do with those so you look at them good and stuff, that
would be just fine with me.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright.
Patty Besser: My address is on there. Phone number’s on there. I’ll pick them up at the City if
you want.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. We’ll take a look at those.
Patty Besser: Okay, I appreciate your time. Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. Anyone else for visitor presentations this evening? Let’s
move on then to other items on our agenda.
LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE.
Mayor Furlong: Tonight we get the monthly updates from our fire department. I see Chief
Smallback is here. Good evening Chief.
Chief Roger Smallback: Good evening. For year to date we got 150 calls for service year to
date. For the month of April, as of this morning, we’ve had 36 calls for April. The year to date
numbers are slightly above historical averages. The month to date, 36 calls in April is fairly
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consistent with historical averages. There were two structure fires in April. April 2 there was a
structure fire on Pimlico Lane. It was a daytime call. Early afternoon for a garage on fire. On
arrival we did find smoke, heavy smoke and some flames showing from the garage. We were
able to confine the fire to the garage and content. There was a couple of cars in the garage. The
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doors were closed. There were two cars in the garage. The cars did not burn up but sustained
substantial heat and smoke damage. There was some additional belongings and content in the
garage that burned up too. The fire did get into the structure a little bit but again we were able to
contain it to the garage area. There’s very light smoke in the house but nothing significant.
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April 10, Canterbury Court we were called to, a call came in initially as a house fire. On arrival
what we found was a deck on fire. It was a 4 unit townhouse and it was one of the end units that
the deck was on fire. That fire did significant damage to the outside of the building. Burned up
the deck. A lot of siding and stuff like that. There was some smoke and water damage to the
interior of the house because the fire, the heat of the fire took out, broke the glass out of the patio
door leading to the deck and that allowed a lot of smoke and some water to intrude into the living
areas. There was no fire damage to the interior of the house. It was confined to the outside of
the building. That’s the report for April. Any questions?
Mayor Furlong: Any questions for the Chief?
Councilman Litsey: How’s it going as Chief?
Chief Roger Smallback: Well I wish Jim was here because I could, I’ll quote from him and
Jim’s words were, I knew a lot more about being a Lieutenant when I was a Sergeant.
Councilman Litsey: Very good, well put.
Chief Roger Smallback: I knew a lot more about being Chief when I was Assistant Chief.
Councilwoman Ernst: I don’t have any questions but I just have a comment.
Mayor Furlong: Certainly.
Councilwoman Ernst: Chief you know just hearing you talk about these situations, I definitely
have a much better perspective, even though I’m not in the real fire. A much better perspective
of what you do after participating in the fire demo and I just really want to thank you for
allowing us to do that because it gives me a whole new appreciation. I appreciated everything
that you do anyway but this gave me a whole new appreciation so thank you very much. I
appreciate that and thank you for what you do.
Chief Roger Smallback: Yeah. I’m certainly glad that you enjoyed the experience, and that was
our objective in this whole thing was to give you a better feel for what really goes on in the fire
service area.
Mayor Furlong: Maybe you could just explain for the rest of the council and other people
watching the training exercise.
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Chief Roger Smallback: Yeah. April 19 we were doing some live fire training at the Edina
Training Center and earlier we had invited City Council and City management to either come out
and observe or participate in this training and Todd Gerhardt, Laurie Hokkanen, Mayor Furlong,
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Councilwoman Ernst all took us up on the offer and so we went out to the Edina Training Center
where we had them suit up in turnout gear and helmet and boots and went into the burn building
and you know we weren’t able to actually start up the big burners in there because in order to do
that they have to be on air. Have to be on these self contained air apparatus that they have and it
requires a lot of special training to be able to use that but they did crawl into the building. Drag
the hose line in. Opened up the hose line. Flowed water. Did some search and rescue. Rescued
a fire fighter. Got him loaded onto a back board and just did some of the things that the fire
service does. We had, we were fortunate to have some photographers out there and recorded this
and got some good photos of them there.
Councilman Litsey: Potential new recruits.
Mayor Furlong: No.
Councilwoman Ernst: Not me.
Mayor Furlong: We would be very desperate at that point.
Councilwoman Ernst: Not me.
Councilman Litsey: You made it out.
Mayor Furlong: We made it out. Yes, they allowed me out.
Councilwoman Ernst: We even found a live person.
Mayor Furlong: That’s right. That’s right. The best part was he was still alive when we were
done.
Chief Roger Smallback: So it was definitely a win/win situation. We were glad you guys were
out there and glad it was helpful to you.
Mayor Furlong: Well and thank you for creating the opportunity. I will echo Councilwoman
Ernst’s comments that it did enhance our appreciation, my appreciation for the work that you and
the fire fighters do and it was nice just to spend some time with some of the members of the
department. You’ve got a good group there and we knew that before and it just reaffirmed that
for me so thank you.
Chief Roger Smallback: Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: And please extend our appreciation to everyone in the department for all their
help.
Chief Roger Smallback: Will do.
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Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Lieutenant Olson is not here tonight. I’m guessing that he was
called out on an issue or had a conflict so if there are any questions, we had the monthly report in
our packet. If any member has a question for Lieutenant Olson that you’d like Mr. Gerhardt to
follow up with, I’d certainly entertain that at this time. Okay. Any questions on the report?
Okay. We’ll have the Lieutenant here at the next meeting. Likely at the last meeting in May to
follow up. Generally the trends appear to be going in the right direction, including in terms of
calls for service and crime and everything so things are going in the right direction. With that
we’ll move onto our items of new business.
2010 SEALCOAT PROJECT 10-04: AWARD CONTRACT.
Paul Oehme: Thank you Mayor, City Council members. Staff would just like to give a brief
presentation on this year’s sealcoat project. We incorporated additional scope in the bid this
year, and I’ll get into that a little bit later. We’d like to talk to you about what’s included in this
project and where we go from here. The sealcoat project, typically the City annually considers a
contract for sealcoating to help extend the life of our streets. Streets that are proposed for
sealcoating are identified through our pavement management system and we also visually inspect
each of the streets prior to proposing for that year. In total this year we’re proposing to sealcoat
4.2 miles of our city streets. We have about 107 miles in our system currently that we maintain.
Sealcoat, it provides longevity for the streets. It delays or eliminates further aging of pavement
due to water or sun. Seals provides a moisture to the underground sub-grade. Fills minor rattle
pavement areas and enriches under pavement and seals cracks temporarily or even permanently.
Also performs minor leveling so water’s not sitting on the streets and restores surface friction to
the traveling public as well so it’s an economically viable and cost effective way to extend the
life of our city streets so. This year the streets that are proposed are shown here on this map. I’ll
just go through real quickly. Off of Galpin Boulevard, areas, residential streets that we’re
proposing are mainly in the Walnut Grove area. Manchester Way. Windmill Drive. Those
areas. Walnut Curve and then also Prairie Flower Drive down here. We also would like you to
consider sealcoating Lake Lucy Road from Galpin over to Powers Boulevard shown here. This
road was sealcoated I think about 5 or 6 years ago now and it’s time for a sealcoat and crack
sealing as well. And then also we’d like to include in the project sealcoating the downtown area,
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including Market Boulevard, Great Plains Boulevard from 78 Street to Trunk Highway 5, 79
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Street and 78 Street all the way out to 101. Also included would be just to crack seal Chan
View and then Market Boulevard, the stretch in front of the downtown park and then also Santa
Fe Trail. Just crack sealing those areas. So that’s the scope of the project. Incorporated in this
project is joint powers with several other, four other cities, communities within Carver County as
you’re aware. There’s a joint powers that was approved by all these cities approximately 2
months ago in which the City of Chanhassen led the bidding process for these communities
along with our project and the thought here being that the more, bigger the project the better cost,
unit cost you’re going to get for the product and for the project so, and we have numbers to
prove that we did okay with these bids. We did have seven bidders that submitted bids and we
do have three low contractors that we would like to award tonight for this road work. In total,
including all the cities the contract would be worth $365,000. Total of $365,000 worth of work.
The work was also separated out into work items. Crack sealing is one contract we’d like to
consider awarding. Sealcoating is the other one and then striping. By grading out these items
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we figure that we saved additional costs by not just having one prime contractor mark up the cost
for the subcontractors that typically you see in a prime bid situation. So in total the City of
Chanhassen’s portion of this bid is a little over $189,000 which was budgeted for in the 2010
CIP. So staff took a little time and evaluated the bids and compared them to other, our past
projects that we’ve let in other years and we also compared them to the City of Burnsville. The
City of Burnsville also has a joint powers contract. They’ve been having that joint powers
contract for a number of years. They contract with several communities in Dakota County and
also in Scott County and typically annually that contract is over $2.5 million dollars so this table
just shows a comparison of costs. Trying to do as much basically apples to apples as we can so
the first line here kind of in 2010 shows what the square yardage cost for sealcoating with this
particular oil. This CRS2P and then also the next line here, or sealcoating with the same
aggregate with CRS2. It’s a different oil. One’s used more for collector roadway type
applications and one’s more used for residential. So looking at those two numbers, Burnsville
unit price for that particular item is $1.19 and City of Chanhassen, our joint powers contract for
this year is $1.21. That is roughly really close considering 3 cents off so it’s just under 2%
difference there. And likewise with the CRS2 oil, it’s really close to what we see this year what
the City of Burnsville bid out for their contract. Going down the list, 2009 we did not have the
joint powers as we did this year. We actually took quotes on this contract. It was a lot smaller
than previous years and here’s the numbers that the City of Burnsville had with their joints
powers versus the City of Chanhassen’s where we quoted out, it’s about almost 13% more than
we received so going back to 2008, 2007, same thing. City of Burnsville joint powers contract is
somewhat considerably less than what we had received in the past so just doing some analysis
there. Looking at the average difference from 2009 to 2007, there’s roughly about a 12%
difference annually that you can average over those years so if you look at what that cost
difference would be potentially in 2010, add a 12% cost if we didn’t have the joint powers, you
know we would probably see a 12% additional cost in terms of this contract which roughly the
amount of miles that we’re looking at is about $19,000 potentially that we would be above this
contract so with this estimation, with this analysis we think we did fairly well going with the
joint powers contract for this year so. As we move forward, if this contract would be awarded,
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we’d like to start sealing cracks in June and up to July sometime. And then after July 4 sealcoat
contractor would come in and sealcoat the streets and have the contract completed by the end of
August. With that if council has any questions I’d be more than happy to try to answer them for
you.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for staff? Councilwoman Ernst.
Councilwoman Ernst: First of all I want to thank you Paul for your efforts that you put into this
because I believe that this is the first time we’ve ever done this, is this correct?
Paul Oehme: That’s correct, yes.
Councilwoman Ernst: On this collaborative effort.
Paul Oehme: Yeah, when I was in Burnsville I worked on this project with them as well but this
is the first time we’ve implemented it here in the City of Chanhassen.
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Councilwoman Ernst: This is great. It looks like some of the other cities may be benefitting a
little bit more than we are to some extent but my question is, is are we going to administer this?
Is the City of Chanhassen going to administer the project?
Paul Oehme: That’s a good question. The City, it’s specified in the contract documents that
each city is required to contract separately with the low bidders so for example City of Victoria
will have to contract directly with the sealcoat contractor. We’re not going to administer the
contract. We don’t have to have anything to do with anybody else’s city. They have to provide
their own scheduling and make sure that the project moves forward.
Todd Gerhardt: We just coordinated the bid process.
Mayor Furlong: I was going to say, there was some coordination. Staff coordinated the bid.
Paul Oehme: Yeah.
Councilwoman Ernst: Okay. And do we get an administrative fee by doing that?
Paul Oehme: There’s a little stipend in the agreement that we’ll be invoicing the other cities for
that work. TO compensate our costs. It’s not much but it’s something to cover our costs.
Councilwoman Ernst: Great. Great job on this.
Councilman Litsey: Yeah, good job.
Mayor Furlong: Any other questions? Comments I guess, you know it is 12% for us. $20,000
and it’s well worth the effort and Councilwoman Ernst to your point, I think the other cities,
Victoria, Mayor, Cologne, they’re probably seeing tremendous savings for their council. It’s
nice to not only see savings here but to help other cities as well within Carver County. I’m
guessing that the City of Mayor doesn’t have the purchasing power that Burnsville does and yet
the costs are very much in line so thank you for coordinating that and for pursuing that idea. It
was generated I think by Councilwoman Ernst was one that brought that up as well as others at
the council as far as talking about how can we work with other cities to reduce our costs and
we’re seeing that here. Mr. Gerhardt.
Todd Gerhardt: Yeah, Mayor, council. I asked Paul Oehme to send over his report to those
other cities so they may follow suit in doing their measurements and then we’ll do a combined
report to see you know the benefit of the overall program in all communities.
Councilwoman Ernst: Great.
Councilman Litsey: Great.
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Mayor Furlong: It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the other cities that for whatever reasons
didn’t participate this year may be interested in participating next year as well.
Paul Oehme: I know I talked to Norwood-Young America. Their engineer today. Their
sealcoat costs were somewhat higher than what we received so it’d be interesting to see if the
city, if that city would participate next year too. It’s up to them but.
Mayor Furlong: Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. You know it’s everybody working together for
everyone’s benefit so, very good. Any other questions? On this for staff. Is there any
discussion or would somebody like to make a motion? Councilwoman Ernst?
Councilwoman Ernst: I make a motion that we award three contracts for the 2010 Sealcoat
Project as follows: Number 1. Pearson Brothers for roadway sealcoating in the amount of
$176,975.50. Number 2. Traffic Marking Services Incorporated for pavement striping in the
amount of $7,516.70. And Number 3. Precision Sealcoating Incorporated for pavement
cracksealing in the amount of $5,185.00.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Is there a second?
Councilwoman Tjornhom: Second.
Mayor Furlong: Made and seconded. Any discussion on the motion?
Resolution #2010-40: Councilwoman Ernst moved, Councilwoman Tjornhom seconded
that the City Council award three contracts for the 2010 Sealcoat Project as follows:
1. Pearson Bros. for roadway sealcoating in the amount of $176,975.50.
2. Traffic Marking Services, Inc. for pavement striping in the amount of $7,4516.70.
3. Precision Sealcoating, Inc. for pavement cracksealing in the amount of $5,185.00.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
REVIEW FIRST QUARTER REVENUE AND EXPENSE ACTIVITY AND LONG-
TERM FINANCING PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
Greg Sticha: Good evening Mayor, council. What we would like to do this evening is give our
residents the opportunity to get some feedback about how we are doing the first quarter of 2010.
One of our key financial strategy goals for the 2010 budget year, because of the tough financial
times that you know as the city and others are having, was to give City Council an update
quarterly on our activities and revenues and expenses for the year so that we can plan
appropriately throughout the year, not just for 2010. To keep you up to date on what’s
happening for 2010, but to also give feedback for the upcoming budget year in 2011. So this
evening we’re just going to go through a few documents that the city staff reviews on a
consistent basis throughout the year. The first thing we’re going to review is some of our
revenue and expense activity through the first quarter of 2010. One of the most key or crucial
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revenues within the general fund is building permit revenue and as most of you may recall from
last year’s budget process, when market for all construction changed and how the world changed
when, or the country changed in terms of activity we’re seeing relating to building, our revenues
changed drastically in 2009 in regards to building permit revenues so one of the key focuses this
year is going to keep the council up to date on building permit revenue for the year and where
we’re tracking throughout each of the quarters of the year. As you can see, based on this graph,
based on the first quarter of building permit revenue in each of the last 8 or 9 years, through the
years 2002 through 2007 building permit activity was fairly consistent. In 2008 you’ll notice the
one blip in the first quarter. We had the high school building permit pulled in first quarter of
2008. That was a very significant, large permit for that particular year and then as you can see in
2009, the amount of building permit activity began to shrink substantially. This led to us having
a number of discussions on revenue shortfalls for 2009 throughout the year and making
adjustments to our budget in 2009 and going forward into the future into 2010. The first quarter
for 2009 finished the year at about $133,000 in building permit revenue. For 2010 we’re actually
slightly ahead of that schedule, which is a good indication that I think we are on par for budget
this year. This year’s budget was based on a very similar amount to last year’s actual numbers
for the entire year, so the fact that we are ahead of this year’s point, at the same time last year, is
a good sign for the budget for the year. Staff is anticipating that we will come in on budget for
building permit this year. Now with that said there’s a lot of the year left to be played out. A lot
can happen in the rest of 2010 but early in the year we have some good signs that we, the budget
that we put together for 2010 should be met for the year in terms of building permit revenue. A
number of the other revenues within the general fund based on the report that you see in the staff
report are pretty inconclusive at this point. We don’t receive our property tax money until later
in the year and a number of our other State aids and other revenues that we do get, and I
emphasize minimal State aids. We don’t really get any but the dollars that we do receive come
in much later in the year so there’s not a whole lot to report in the first quarter of the year in
terms of permit, or in terms of other revenues aside from permits. Expenditure activity, as the
report shows in front of you, is tracking right on schedule through the first quarter of the year.
Most departments are about 25% spent, which would make sense for this time of the year. The
one exception in the report which we discussed earlier this evening is the city hall maintenance
line item which is already 85% spent but that’s because we pay our insurance at the beginning of
the year and that hasn’t been allocated to other departments or other funds yet for the year so
everything seems to be in line through the first quarter of the year. We have no, we’re not aware
of any unforeseen expenses or shortfalls in revenues at this point so for the upcoming year it
appears that, at this point anyway, things look to be at or near budget for 2010. Couple other
documents that staff wanted to go over with the City Council and kind of keep all of our
constituents up to date on are some of our key long term financial planning documents that staff
reviews on a consistent basis with City Council and one of those documents that I wanted to
highlight this evening is our bond tax levy document. This shows all the levies that the City has
for it’s debt that it needs to pay off for the upcoming 20 years or so. In particular an item that we
watch fairly closely is the last column which shows our anticipated total levy dollars for, to pay
off debt for each of the upcoming years based on the bonds that have been issued. It has been
this council’s goal and the last several council’s goals to attempt to keep that levy flat from year
to year. The debt levy flat from year to year. That flat number we set at a bar a few years ago of
right around $1.8 million dollars. We’ve been able to do that. In some years we’ve had to use
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some cash to buy down that debt levy and as you see going forward in future years, some levy
dollars become available because debt has been paid off or some of the bond payments decrease
in size. So the column, under Column Q here you can see is the potential excess levy that City
Council would have available for either additional debt levies or other levies going forward into
the future. It has been targeted kind of by the City Council and staff, at least intended as a
planning and practice tool, to use this excess levy to help fund our street reconstruction program.
Our revolving assessment construction fund. Each year it is the hope that these levy dollars are
able to be forward or transferred to the revolving assessment construction fund. You will note in
a minute when we get to the next document that details, what the future of that fund looks like.
These numbers tie exactly to that document. One other quick item of note, on our debt levies
you’ll notice that in 2002 the library bonds have been shifted to a new column. Early in 2010 we
advanced refunded our 2002A G.O. Library Bonds into 2010A. Did not change the payments up
until 2011 when the bonds can be called. Those stay the same. But in 2012 they were or are
being advanced refunded. Some cash was used to do this refunding but the majority of the
savings you’ll see in the bond payment is due to the fact that we were able to refinance at a lower
interest rate. What that ended up doing for the levy was you’ll notice in years 2012 and beyond
the numbers are about $50,000 larger than the last time we reviewed this document. So that
would be an extra $50,000 that would be available for either the revolving assessment
construction fund or some other need. That then brings us to the revolving assessment
construction fund. And in reviewing this document at this point in time, the first assumption that
we had to make was, what is our year ending balance for the fund at 2009 and right now we’re
waiting on an audit but we’re anticipating that fund balance will end 2009 with approximately
$3.6 million in it. And then the rest of the document projects out future construction projects and
funding. Revenues or funds coming into the fund for the year 20 years. Bottom line, line 20 on
the graph here shows the fund balance, the projected fund balance at each of the upcoming years.
The top line is the line that we’re anticipating or planning on street reconstruction projects for
each of the upcoming years. Now it’s important to note that this document is a very fluid
document and we’ve discussed this with City Council before. This document changes on a semi
frequent basis. We update it quarterly, semi annually and annually with any new information
that we get as time goes along. This document changed a little bit from the last time you saw it
late last fall. I believe at that point in time the fund balance in 2017 or 18 was around a half a
million and in 2018-19 it was, the deficit was a little closer to $700,000 or $800,000. Due to the
current fund balance that we’re projecting and the refunding of the library bonds, that has given
this fund a little bit of cushion and you’ll notice that the numbers are slightly smaller than what
we saw late last fall and as we discussed earlier this evening, you know the positive point of this
particular spread sheet is that we see the deficit balance slowly shifting to the right and going out
into further future years. Very positive sign. Hopefully we can continue that trend. You know
there certainly could be things that could cause some of the assumptions to change or some of
the information might be slightly different than what we’re anticipating right now, but right now
the trend has been that this fund has seen a little better, been seem to be in a little better shape
every year when we’ve taken a look at it, so that’s a good positive sign. Those are the two main
documents that I would like to review with council this evening. The other thing that I just want
to kind of go over with City Council and also make our residents aware of for the upcoming year
is our 2011 budget calendar. The process starts fairly early in the year. We’ve already begun,
staff internally has already begun starting to think about some of the things that are going to be
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coming up for the upcoming budget year. Keeping an eye on what our current inflation is and all
kinds of other things that we’re keeping an eye on right now early in the year. Some important
meeting dates coming up for the City Council. At the end of June we plan on reviewing our long
term development trends with the city and the impact that that may have on some of our long
term infrastructure. As we discussed earlier this evening we also will probably add a discussion
to that on what the City Council’s expectations for the upcoming budget year are so that staff has
a clear understanding of what the City Council’s expectations are for the upcoming budget year.
In late June, early July staff will begin preparing documents and getting those documents back
from the department heads. Todd and myself will review those documents in late July and then
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in early August, the first meeting in August which is August 9 at the work session we will give
City Council the first preview of the preliminary budget for 2011 where we will discuss the
initial numbers that staff has put together and as Todd said earlier this evening we will review a
number of options that we see for the upcoming budget year. The second meeting in August we
plan on moving up our work session discussion, our detailed power point presentation discussion
of the budget, which is broken out by department. Moving that up to the second meeting in
August rather than last year when we did it at the second meeting in October. Important to note
that last year one significant change in the budget process is we tried to streamline our budget
process a little bit and make that meeting one meeting where we discussed all the information at
that one meeting. So that had allowed for more consistency and flow in the discussion rather
than having it over 2 or 3 work sessions which made it a little more difficult to maintain the
theme and the consistency of a budget discussion so, in improving the process last year we were
able to consolidate that into one meeting. This year we’re going to make an attempt to provide
that information or data to your earlier. The hope is that for the second meeting in August you
will have those detailed department presentations to you so that you can make a more informed
decision earlier in the budget process. At our first meeting in September we will have at a work
session setting a brief discussion on any items that might still be lingering from our previous two
meetings that will need to be discussed before we pass the preliminary levy that evening. That
evening we do need to pass a preliminary levy and as City Council is well aware of but just for
the listening audience out there, that preliminary levy is the levy that’s used to provide your
preliminary tax statements which go out to the residents in November. That levy is the levy that
is, is the amount that is not to exceed amount. That is the levy that we cannot set higher than that
amount come our final levy setting in December. Later in October we will have a review of our
third quarter revenue and expense activity with the City Council and the plan is to also discuss
any other remaining budget items. Budget items that may have come up in order to keep council
informed along the way with the budget process. That might be important in making any
decisions for the 2011 budget. We also decided this evening to move up the CIP discussions to
that meeting to give us a little more time to make an informed decision on the CIP. Also to free
up a little bit of time at the second meeting in November. In November we then discuss our
utility rates for the upcoming year and review our rate study with our financial advisors. And
then in the second meeting in November will give us some more time for any remaining budget
issues to discuss and the CIP for the upcoming year. The first meeting in December will be the
Truth in Taxation hearing which we hold every year, and then the second meeting in December
we will set a final levy and CIP for the 2011 year. It’s very important for the residents to note
that in particular the work session meetings in August and in October and November are key,
critical points in providing, not only information to City Council but to our residents so that
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they’re aware of everything that’s going on in the budget process. A lot of times people target
that first meeting in December as their opportunity to come and give their input on what they
want for a budget for the upcoming year. We would like to think that if they could become more
involved earlier in the year it helps make a decision later in the year much easier. Getting their
input or feedback at that late of time, it becomes more difficult to make any substantial change to
the budget that late in the process so we encourage any discussion or information that residents
would like to present to the council, to please come forward at some of those earlier work session
meetings to give us that information for a later decision making ability. That’s all I have on the
budget calendar and key financial planning documents that I wanted to go over this evening and
unless the council has any further questions.
Mayor Furlong: Any questions for staff? On any items.
Councilman Litsey: Maybe just a comment.
Mayor Furlong: Councilman Litsey.
Councilman Litsey: I appreciate the adjustments that staff’s made to adopt a little more
aggressive schedule in leading up to that preliminary levy in September. I think that’s good and
it’s a good approach. Little bit of a new approach to get us hopefully more information in
advance of having to make that determination. And I also appreciation the input from the other
council members to try this for this year. See how it works and we can evaluate it after that but I
think this is a good process. I appreciate you laying it out for the residents too so if they want to
become involved early on, I think it gives them the opportunity to do that. Because like you said
in December we’re pretty well done with setting the budget so if they could, their input would be
helpful earlier on so thanks again and hopefully this will be a good process moving forward.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Any other comments? Thoughts? Very good, thank you. Appreciate all
the information. That completes our items of new business this evening.
COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS:
Councilman McDonald: I’ve got one thing I just want to say that I did attend the Teacher of the
Year celebration yesterday.
Mayor Furlong: Yes.
Councilman McDonald: I made it and you know the speech went okay. Didn’t get thrown out.
Fortunately my candidate, our candidate from the City didn’t win but came in close. It was a
good, it was interesting to hear about all these teachers and the one comment that I kind of took
away from all this, all the presenters used the word that the teachers try to make it fun for the
students. That was the common thread through all of them and I think that, I met all these
teachers and they all you know try to help the students as much as possible and they try to relate
to them so I think we have a very good crop of teachers here in District 112 and it was a real
honor to go on.
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Mayor Furlong: Well thank you and I appreciate you standing in Mr. McDonald for me. I was
invited to represent the City, had a conflict and Mr. McDonald as our Deputy Mayor was nice
enough to step in and do that so I appreciate you doing that and glad it was a fun event.
Councilman McDonald: Thank you.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other comments under council presentations?
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS:
Todd Gerhardt: Well just a couple. Tomorrow the Mayor is going to be giving an update on the
State of the City at the Chamber Breakfast at the Legion at 7:30. I think we still have room for
more people so anybody.
Mayor Furlong: I’m sure the public is invited so 7:30 at the American Legion.
Todd Gerhardt: Yep. And also want to thank Tom for taking time out of his day on Saturday to
throw the first pitch out at the Chanhassen High School. The high school team was playing
Northfield so I know they appreciated it and he threw a strike right across the plate so.
Mayor Furlong: You’re setting expectations in a public forum.
Todd Gerhardt: He had all this disclaimers ahead of time but you know I appreciate you taking
your day and I know that the coach and the players appreciated it. Northfield was nice enough to
lose on the day that the Mayor threw the pitch out so, that’s all I have.
Mayor Furlong: Very good. Any questions for Mr. Gerhardt? No? Very good.
CORRESPONDENCE DISCUSSION.
Mayor Furlong: Very nice letter in there that I received and Mr. Gerhardt also put a memo for
one of the employees who did a good job working with our residents so. I’ve heard good
comments there and his last name is escaping me now so help me out. Gordy?
Mayor Furlong: Stauff.
Mayor Furlong: Stauff. Yep, so thank you and please extend our thanks to him. I think it’s
well, he received a letter there. I think it’s representative of the service that I hear about our staff
doing on a day in and day out basis and we’re really proud of the work that everybody does in
working with our residents. Focusing on customer service and being responsive so please extend
our thanks to Gordy and a recognition there as well. Anything else? Any other discussion on the
correspondence packet? If not, if there’s nothing else to come before the council this evening, is
there a motion to adjourn?
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Councilwoman Ernst moved, Councilman McDonald seconded to adjourn the meeting. All
voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. The City Council
meeting was adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
Submitted by Todd Gerhardt
City Manager
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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