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CC 2010 11 22 CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 22, 2010 Mayor Furlong called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. The meeting was opened with the Pledge to the Flag. COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Furlong, Councilman Litsey, Councilwoman Ernst, Councilwoman Tjornhom, and Councilman McDonald STAFF PRESENT: Todd Gerhardt, Laurie Hokkanen, Kate Aanenson, Paul Oehme, Todd Hoffman and Roger Knutson PUBLIC PRESENT: Denny Laufenburger 8673 Chanhassen Hills Drive North PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS: Mayor Furlong: Thank you and good evening and welcome to those here in the council chambers and those watching at home as well. We’re glad that you joined us this evening. At this time I would ask members of the council if there are any changes or modifications to the agenda. Otherwise without objection we’ll proceed with the agenda as published. I’d like to start this evening by extending an invitation to the Chanhassen Tree Lighting party. This holiday season as it approaches quickly, I’m happy to invite everyone to a wonderful city event. City of Chanhassen and the Chanhassen Business Council are proud to announce the 2010 Tree Lighting Ceremony. I invite all area residents, their families, friends, children and grandchildren to come th and join me and my family on Saturday, December 4 from 5:00 to 6:00 p.m. at the City Center Park in the plaza for this event. People of all ages will enjoy activities including the official lighting of the City Center Park, refreshments, caroling, gingerbread display, gingerbread house display, live reindeer and a visit from Santa and some of his helpers. The entire event is free. No registration is required. Please come and if you’d like more information feel free to contact City Hall. It’s a great event and I’d like to thank our Park and Recreation Department for their work in terms of putting the lights on all of the trees in our park. It always look great every year. I know it will this year and also the Chanhassen Business Council for their co-sponsorship of that event. Move now to our consent agenda. CONSENT AGENDA:Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilman Litsey seconded to approve the following consent agenda items pursuant to the City Manager’s recommendations: a. Approval of Minutes: -City Council Work Session Minutes dated November 8, 2010 -City Council Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated November 8, 2010 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 Receive Commission Minutes: -Park and Recreation Commission Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated October 26, 2010 b. Approval of 2011 NPDES Permit Reissuance. Resolution #2010-94: c. Approval of Resolution Authorizing the City to Apply for a Grant from the MCES Municipal Infiltration/Inflow Grant Program and Execute Grant Agreement. d. Approve Nominees for Environmental Excellence Awards. Resolution #2010-95: e. Approve Resolution Accepting $4,000 Carver/Scott Statewide Health Improvement Program (SHIP) Active Living Incentive Reimbursement. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: Ken Wencl: My name is Ken Wencl. I live here in Chanhassen for the last 11 years. For a number of months I’ve been talking about the usage of water in our city. When I drive by places and I see sprinklers going in the rain, not only irrigation systems but hoses and things like that and it goes on and on and on and so last Thursday when I got our paper it fell right in place. The only thing the this paper did not mention is one thing as to how to save water. Keep your lawns th green. Also want to invite you to a watershed on November 30 which is going to be on this subject and we’ve got several high powered speakers. One from the Three Rivers Park District that will talk aeration and how we can do this. Aeration has several benefits. Many benefits. It’s a win/win situation for everybody. It’ll save the City pumping. It will save the expense of the, to the landowner and it’ll save the water for our kids. The way we’re using water now, I don’t think there’s going to be anything left but water that comes out of the Mississippi runs through a bunch of treatment plants and it’s not good clean water anymore. We’re ruining that th ground. But anyway I invite you all to the watershed on November 30. You’ll find it very enlightening. We even have nice cold beer or pop there. It’s at the Legion Hall. So come there. I’ve also go a sheet on the back that I came up with ideas myself. Reasons for the core aeration of green space. I hope you all read it because that tells you the things that we can save from the city and from the landowners by following a no cost, very little low cost to get the job done. Some of you may have known or may not have known that I’ve been talking to a young lady here in the Chanhassen staff about this subject of probably getting everything in the city of Chanhassen aerated. The water that comes from heaven should come down and drop in your yard and stay in your yard and we can accomplish that very, very easy. So if you hear about it, I hope you give her the support that’s needed. The watershed is interested through me to partnership with you to get this job done. We’ve done things in the past but I think this is the top of the list now, to get into this thing and take care of it once and for all. I thank you and ask for your support. 2 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Anyone else who would like to address the council this evening under visitor presentations? Okay. Thank you. Let’s move on then to the next items under our agenda. LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE. Mayor Furlong: Let’s start with Sergeant Anderley from the Carver County Sheriff’s Department. Good evening Sergeant. Sgt. Peter Anderley: Good evening council, mayor. You have the numbers I guess from the last month. If there’s anything you’d like me to clarify on those, I certainly can touch on those. Couple of things to note. Our crashes and things like that I’m sure after this week has raised up a little bit. After the wintery mix that has come upon here in November. I know that I haven’t run the exact numbers from this weekend already but I can tell you they were somewhere around 130 calls for service in the county in 12 hours Saturday night. Just mostly car related to crashes, to accidents, to cars in the ditch, that type of thing. Nothing major. Didn’t sound like any major accidents. Just a lot of messed up traffic and that type of thing. I think we even had some more this morning with the morning commute. We had a couple of minor rollovers and some crashes around but again just a reminder. It’s wintertime. Slow down. Leave a little extra early. Take some time getting to where you’re going so we can save those issues and hopefully get to where we’re going safely without having our mishaps and ending up in the ditch. Other than that it’d been very quiet on the crime in the city and hopefully we’ll continue doing that. Winter parking. We have started issuing citations given the recent snowfalls and that type of thing so please remember to move your vehicles if you’re in violation of the winter parking. And if you have any questions again the City’s web site has that on there. As far as that they could also call the sheriff’s office if they need some clarification as far as the ordinance goes. Mayor Furlong: And generally it’s no overnight parking and no parking on streets after a certain snowfall, is that correct? Sgt. Peter Anderley: Yep, no parking 1:00 a.m. til 7:00 a.m. any day and then no parking until the street has been plowed from curb to curb after 2 inches of snowfall. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright. Good. Any other questions for Sergeant Anderley or any questions? Very good, thank you. Appreciate the report. Chief Smallback is here. Good evening Chief. Chief Roger Smallback: Good evening. We’re year to date calls through October, or actually through today is at 577 calls for service. Through today for the month of November anyway we’re at 34 calls for service. As Sergeant Anderley noted, it had been a rather quiet month up until Mother Nature changed her mind. The snow storm and the ice storm did generate quite a few calls for fire as well as police. There was one structure fire in November. It occurred on th November 17. It was a home on Topaz Drive. It occurred at 1:00 in the afternoon and that was a, I believe that was a Wednesday. The fire was in the garage of the home. Fortunately the homeowner was home. Discovered it right away. We were able to get on it rather quickly and keep it from extending into the structure. The fire made a terrible mess in the garage but it 3 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 never, it was all what we refer to as a content fire. Meaning that the fire didn’t get into the actual structure. It was just burning content in the garage. So we were able to get to it quickly and get it out. The home is still inhabitable. There was a number of things stored in the garage that were either destroyed or damaged. There was one car in there but the car suffered some heat and smoke damage but it was drivable. Todd Gerhardt: Chief, a big thanks goes to Sergeant Anderley for putting that one out? Chief Roger Smallback: I don’t know, was that you Peter with the… Oh, okay. Yeah, the deputies kind of took the wind out of the fire with some dry chem and that so that certainly limited the extent of the fire. Over the next 5 or 6 weeks there’s many holiday celebrations and family events that take place. I would like to urge everyone to take extra care with candles and fireplaces during this time of year. They’re the big fire starters during the holiday season. Candles on tables and people, fireplaces that don’t get used too often or get used improperly are the source of many fires during the holiday season. Just ask that everyone take extra precautions when using those things. Think about fire safety and don’t get a fire ruin your holiday. Any questions? Mayor Furlong: Questions for the Chief this evening? No? Very good. Thank you very much. Appreciate your service. Todd Gerhardt: Mayor, council. Just wanted to highlight that we’ve started putting a fire call summary sheet together in the packet. I think it’s helpful for the council to compare and contrast from one year to the next. Year to date. Monthly and the type of incident that the fire department handles. Very similar to the animal control CSO officers and our law enforcement department so thank the Chief and his staff for helping put that together. Mayor Furlong: Thank you for pointing that out and thank you. Very good, thank you. Let’s move on then with the next items on our agenda which will be consider some amendments to our City Code. CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO CITY CODE: CHAPTERS 1 AND 20 CONCERNING KENNELS, CHAPTER 16 CONCERNING SOLID WASTES, AND CHAPTER 20, ZONING CONCERNING USES IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. Mayor Furlong: Do you want to address these all at once or? Kate Aanenson: Yes, thank you Mayor. I was just going to point that out. I’ll just go through all of them and if you have questions but then we can just have one motion. All the ordinances are attached but I’ll just briefly go through all of them. The first one is regarding kennels. I did hand out a revised ordinance. It should be at your place. There’s just a little bit ambiguity so I’ll take a minute to go through this. In the year 2000 the City changed the definition of a private kennel, and that’s regulating how many pets you can have in a household. In 2003 we updated or recodified the City Code and for some reason the new language didn’t get put in so we’re going back to the 2000 language and putting it in. But again as it shows in this ordinance, it’s a little bit hard to read but what the intent was with the private kennel was to limit how many dogs 4 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 you could have so what the intent is, you cannot have more than 2 dogs without having a kennel license or 3 cats or a combination of. You could have 2 dogs, 2 cats but anytime you have over 2 dogs you need a kennel license or 3 cats. So the new language specifically says that and then the combination there within and that’s how we are currently, the City is currently addressing private kennels, so typically there’s a little bit different standard to get a private kennel. How you manage your pets so this is currently how the City is operating. This just brings it back in to conformance so again the change really in this from 2000 change is just clarifying the definition. So if there’s any questions on that. Mayor Furlong: Questions? If someone has the number of pets that brings them to a level of a private kennel, I know that’s not specifically…but what if somebody’s watching at home, what does that mean? What does that mean? Kate Aanenson: They would just need to come into the City. There’s a little bit different standards that they would apply for like how much space you have and how you’re managing on the property and that sort of thing. Typically with, with 3 dogs when you do that, sometimes the neighbors might not be aware of that. We often have kennels, some of them have, maybe they have a half acre and they want 4 dogs and we just let the neighbors know if they have any input on whether or not the dogs are a hazardous. We’ve changed some of those definitions when we went through the City Code just to make sure that they’re fenced or how they’re monitoring those and whether or not there’s rabies tags and those sort of things just to make sure that’s all in check. Mayor Furlong: And then the public purpose there is to try to avoid nuisances to the neighboring property? Kate Aanenson: Exactly. It’s all about nuisance. That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Alright. Okay. Any questions on this right now? Okay. Kate Aanenson: Okay, thank you. And then the second one would be solid waste. Currently the City regulates when you can pick up trash and noise. We get calls on this on snowplowing. Snowplowing the ordinance can go 24/7. Whenever we need to do to plow the streets but trash sometimes can be another nuisance in that it’s currently regulated in the residential areas but we have residential areas that butting up against commercial and there’s no regulation on commercial. We’ve had numerous complaints on this over the years regarding waste haulers that pick up commercial at 5:00 in the morning. As early as 5:00 in the morning and so what this does now is make it consistent. The commercial pick-up consistent with what we do in residential. Regulating the hours that be between 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Regarding the nuisance so that would just regulate again the commercial making it consistent with the residential trash pick up. Mayor Furlong: Any questions on this? Have we been in touch when we receive complaints, have you been in touch with the haulers? Kate Aanenson: Yes, we talk to the haulers about that. 5 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 Mayor Furlong: What’s their reaction in those instances? Kate Aanenson: Because we’re not regulating it there’s, we just ask them for a courtesy and sometimes if they’re running behind, weather related, I think people are tolerate of that sort of thing but I think there’s always those peak seasons in the spring and the fall when maybe you have your windows open and that seems to be the higher irritating, irritate part of it I guess. Todd Gerhardt: Holidays too. Kate Aanenson: Yeah, holidays. Todd Gerhardt: They get caught up. Mayor Furlong: Now this ordinance does allow for Saturday pick up. Kate Aanenson: Yes it does. Mayor Furlong: So on Labor Day. Kate Aanenson: Correct. When you have those holidays. Mayor Furlong: When they don’t pick up on a holiday they, everything gets shifted. Kate Aanenson: That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Kate Aanenson: Okay? And then the final one is the commercial central business district. Now we did spend some time talking about this at the work session and I took your comments and modified, made some modifications to it. I think the council asked the staff to kind of look at two other maybe models and we looked at the Wayzata and the Chaska and kind of blended those two. If you look at Wayzata Central Business District, they did what our city attorney recommended. They enumerated everything and they had a long list. Chaska grouped them into 4 categories. But what we did is we revised our’s and kind of did a blend of the two so, and then did have the city attorney review it. So what we did is we took some of the uses that had similar, based on the standard industrial classifications such as anything that would be a beauty shop, barber shop, kind of grouped those together. It did make it easier for us to use and for the consumer, the business owner to also define whether or not, so we reduce that list down. Made it easier to read so we appreciate the input we got last time from the council. I did attach those two other cities kind of to show what they did so we, I think it made it easier to read but yet met the goals which we had again, what the city attorney had directed us to make sure that we didn’t leave something open ended. That we might have an unintended use that we wanted to put in that central business district. And then the other thing we did clarify, make sure we do have high density housing in there. A land use section in the Comprehensive Plan. It says, I think housing says multi family but if you go into the land use section of the Comprehensive Plan it does allow 6 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 for higher densities and there is that opportunity in other places in the central business district that we said that can compliment that. So that is the definition of how many units they could get, is in the Comprehensive Plan. So with that we did make the changes that you had recommended and would support, recommend you supporting those 3 ordinance amendments. Mayor Furlong: So question then on the housing aspect. The residential aspect. If I’m reading this correctly, this speaks to a multi family dwelling. Kate Aanenson: Correct. Mayor Furlong: Including senior citizen housing but you’re saying the underlying zoning speaks to a high density level. Kate Aanenson: The land use, yeah. The land use says you can go up to high density which in our. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Kate Aanenson: With our City Code goes up to, if you look at the land use map, goes up to 16 units an acre. Mayor Furlong: Okay, and that’s the equivalent of an apartment building effectively? Kate Aanenson: Yep. Like what we have at Presbyterian Homes. Something like that, yeah. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Okay. Alright. Other questions for Ms. Aanenson on this one? Okay. Very good. If there are no other questions, we have items 3(a), (b) and (c) before us this evening. Would somebody like to make a motion regarding all 3 of them? Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: I’d like to make a motion that the Chanhassen City Council approves the ordinance amendments to Chapters 1 through 20 concerning kennels, Chapter 16 concerning solid waste and Chapter 20, Zoning concerning uses in the Central Business District. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Councilman McDonald: I’ll second. Mayor Furlong: Made and seconded. Any discussion? Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilman McDonald seconded that the City Council approve the following City Code amendments: 1. Chapter 1 and Chapter 20, Zoning concerning kennels. 2. Chapter 16 concerning Solid Wastes, Operating requirements. 7 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 3. Chapter 20, Zoning concerning Permitted and Accessory Uses in the Central Business District. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS: Mayor Furlong: Any council presentations this evening? Just a couple items. Last Wednesday had the opportunity, Councilman McDonald was with me at the American Legion for lunch on Wednesday to celebrate the, and Mr. Gerhardt, Mr. Hoffman, Ms. Aanenson, Ms. Hokkanen. th Everybody here as well as other members of city staff. It was the recognition of the 50 anniversary of the Chanhassen Chamber of Commerce. The founding of the Chanhassen Chamber of Commerce and now of course the Chamber of Commerce is part of the Southwest Metro Chamber of Commerce but the Chanhassen Business Council wanted to make a point to celebrate and it was a great celebration. I know that there was a program planned. The program fell by the wayside when everybody just started, that hadn’t seen each other for a number of years, just started talking and enjoying their time together but it was a, it was a very fun event. Consistent with the 1960’s when they were founded they had green jello with fruit inside I think and some orange jello with something inside of that too and a hotdish and other aspects so they had some fun with it. There was, I’m sorry. Todd Gerhardt: I thought I was at a Lutheran funeral. Mayor Furlong: It was a great event. A lot of history and what was nice and I’d certainly be interested in other people’s comments too but what was nice was to see so many good people that have done so many good things in this city over the years as part of opening businesses. Taking an entrepreneur risk and being rewarded for that. Obviously everything didn’t always go smoothly but looking back they can see how they contributed in making this city a great place and it was nice too to hear comments of over the years and they were consistent comments over the last 50 years of what a great relationship the businesses had and the Chamber had with the City, and that’s a credit to a lot of the people. Ms. Aanenson’s been with the City for 20 years, is that right? And Mr. Gerhardt for more than that. A few more than that, but I mean and Todd as well you know. The people that were in that room were people that all of you had worked with over the years and been a part of making this city what it is today so it was a very fun event and I just wanted to start out and say Mr. Gerhardt, maybe you had some comments too on that or share some thoughts. Todd Gerhardt: Yeah, when I first started here you know I would go over there and give updates on what happened in the community development wise. We had everything on foam boards so you’d walk over there with your big foam board. Now the mayor does a great job of giving updates with power points and Laurie making everything look good. Mayor Furlong: Yeah, right. Give credit where it’s due… Usually about 10 minutes before we present. It looks good. 8 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 Todd Gerhardt: And Kate has worked with them on sign ordinances and you know landscaping. Every part of the ordinance has always gone through the Chamber and Todd and his staff have always been at every one of the Chamber events. Either marketing an upcoming event or partnering. When we put our list of partnering together, the Chamber has just been a huge th partner of our’s, especially with the 4 of July activities so you know credit goes to all the departments here that take on an active role. And it was just fun to see some of those people. And everybody stood up and gave testimony. If it was their first meeting there. There was a handful of those individuals and when I made the comment that the first time I attended there was maybe 12 people and I really felt that it was my job to try to bring in more commercial/ industrial to fill those rooms up and I think we really accomplished that. It’s a very active group. They’re still active with the downtown council but they’re even stronger as a larger organization with the Southwest Chamber so. And I met my wife at a chamber event so I shared that with the group and I think I turned 5 shades of red. So you know it was a great event and I think everybody had fun. Mayor Furlong: Well and to your point, you know as much as we’ve worked with them, they’ve th worked with the City and when you look at events such as the 4 of July and I know the Chamber puts on the business fair and that’s an opportunity for those businesses to meet and greet potential customers which is wonderful, but it’s also often times for people to see what are some of the businesses here in town. The Chamber continues to help sponsor the, we just announced tonight the tree lighting party that’s going on. They’ve done that year after year. Serving hot cocoa and hot cider and being out there and being a part of that so they continue to do that so you know I think as much as, it works together so well because everybody’s been, had a common goal. Just making Chanhassen a great place for people to live and work and do business and so you know one of the things I would say too to people listening, I know all of us as well, is in the coming holiday season there are a lot of what you need to get is right here in Chanhassen. There’s a Buy Chanhassen program that the Chamber is sponsoring. I know all of us are familiar with that and this is a good time of year to remember that. They do a lot for us and if we can help support our local businesses, we’re just supporting our friends and neighbors who are working there and the Chamber does a great job. The other thing I would say too, the Chamber’s just one of the great civic organizations that we have in this town. I know the Chanhassen Lion’s are opening up their tree lot later this week for Christmas trees over by Cub Foods again. I saw the trees on the ground there so that’s coming up. Give them a thought and then the Chanhassen Rotary Club the day after our tree lighting ceremony, the tree lighting is on th December 4, which is a Saturday. The next morning is Breakfast with Santa. The pancakes and Santa Claus are here and his wife may be in attendance there at the pancake breakfast out at the Chanhassen Rec Center so there again with all these organizations, what’s interesting is all the money they raise, whether it’s the Rotary, the Lion’s, the Chamber, it all comes right back into Chanhassen to support, whether it’s scholarships. The Chamber has contributed thousands of dollars of scholarships over the years to high school students and the Lion’s of course do all sorts of great things in town and the Rotary Club as well so it’s just, I’m saying this as an th opportunity, and then I’ll move on. Because of the 50 year, a lot of people have done a lot of good things over the years and now it’s just our turn to take on what they’ve created and what we’ve done ourselves and keep moving it forward so thank you for that. Any other discussions? If not we’ll move to administrative presentations. Mr. Gerhardt. 9 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS. th Todd Gerhardt: Okay, 50 anniversary. We hosted the 276 Leaders Group. That’s the, all the cities. Managers, mayors, assistants, probably quarterly have them. We rotate it among cities in the school district and we hosted this last Wednesday and it was a lot of fun and what really came out of this is, we’re going to establish a database of where we share resources with the school district or with other communities within 276 and see what we can grow on. You know if another city or school district doing something that we can share resources or duplicate in another community. And then also to say that we are you know sharing resources. There may be some projects out there that people don’t know that we’re sharing like we contract for lifeguards through Community Ed. Some people may not know that so we’ll try to get that word out in our communication, the Connection. I’m going to write one of my stories on that so it was a good meeting. It’s nice to get an update after elections and seemed like everybody’s going in the right direction and things are good. With the exception of Excelsior. I’m kidding. I’m kidding on that one. Nick does a great job over there and with the limited resources they have, they do a great job. Nick always likes to share some good stories. What’s going on so. Nick Reuhl’s the mayor of Excelsior. We’re there for him. Laurie Hokkanen: He may not know this but there was a great picture of him at the Chamber. Kate Aanenson: Yeah, I saw that one too. Mayor Furlong: Was there? Laurie Hokkanen: Yeah. Probably 25 years ago. Todd Gerhardt: Well and Nick was the architect on the first phase of the senior center and I think he was also involved with the fire station. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Anything else? Todd Gerhardt: That’s it. Mayor Furlong: Any questions for Mr. Gerhardt or his staff? CORRESPONDENCE DISCUSSION. Councilman McDonald: Yes, I’ve got one. I saw where there’s a little bitty article in the correspondence package about Kate. Would you give us a little bit about that? Todd Gerhardt: Yeah. Kate has been on the Sensible Land Use Coalition. It’s a group of developers, both commercial, residential, private planners, city planners, city developers, city managers and Kate has been on the Board for several years. Kate Aanenson: Six maybe. 10 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 Todd Gerhardt: Six years. Kate Aanenson: I don’t remember. Actually the city attorney’s also a member of the Board. Todd Gerhardt: So we’re well represented on that Board but Kate was chosen this year to be Vice President of the Board and we’re very proud of Kate’s role on that board and to be selected and she’s going to bring a wealth of knowledge and leadership to that group and she always comes in and gives me updates on the programs they’re putting on and it sounds like they have fun and they go on retreats and they do a great job. Mayor Furlong: Congratulations. Kate Aanenson: Again Roger’s on the Executive Board too so. Well thank you. Thank you for acknowledging that. Appreciate that. The opportunity to serve. Again it’s a great way to find out what other communities are doing and problem solving and I think, and I think the city attorney would agree, it’s nice to have both parties at the table. Private development and the city people trying to resolve issues or find that commonality and that’s what I think is exciting when we come back from those once a month luncheons and we are a member of that so if anybody else finds something that’s interesting that they’d like to attend, we’re always trying to get other people, the elected officials to come and talk, listen at those too. Mayor Furlong: You started to say talk but then you emphasized listen. Kate Aanenson: Talk and listen. Mayor Furlong: Oh talk and listen. Okay. Kate Aanenson: …we actually have elected officials that do speak at those. Just trying to find people that have the courage to get up and give their views but I think sometimes just learning from each other is the opportunity. It’s sitting at a table that people you may not know and learning from them what’s going on in their business and it’s very enlightening. Todd Gerhardt: It’s probably one of the most diversified groups, wouldn’t you say Roger? There’s a lot of attorneys in there. Developers. Planners. Kate Aanenson: Engineers. Todd Gerhardt: Engineers. It’s a good group. I’ve attended several of the other seminars and was Fred Hoisington kind of the founder, founding fathers on that? Roger Knutson: I guess so, yeah. A group of people. Todd Gerhardt: And he was a planner that we consulted with a lot in the downtown redevelopment. 11 Chanhassen City Council Meeting - November 22, 2010 Mayor Furlong: Very good. Just a final thing coming forward then, we have just a quick announcement. Two opportunities that we’re going to be getting together again as a council this th year. One is on December 6, which is our Truth in Taxation hearing. They don’t call it that anymore but it’s a public hearing related to our budget and property taxes. I don’t know if the property, preliminary statements have come out yet or not. Has anybody seen those? If not, th usually they come out just about a week or a few days before so but December 6, Monday, th December 6, 7:00 right here in the council chambers is our public hearing with regard to our 2011 budget so all interested parties are welcomed to come, listen and watch and make th comments as well on that. And then our final meeting will be on December 13, the following week, at which point we’ll adopt the budget and a number of other items. Anything else to come before the council this evening or anything else on the correspondence packet? No? If there’s nothing else this evening then is there a motion to adjourn? Councilman McDonald moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. The City Council meeting was adjourned at 7:40 p.m. Submitted by Todd Gerhardt City Manager Prepared by Nann Opheim 12