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1i. Sign Plan Review for a Pylon Monument and Wall Sign Located at the Northeast Corner of Hwy 101 & 212, Paws, Claws and Hooves Pet BoardingCITY OF P.C. DATE: 8 -6 -97 C.C. DATE: 8 -25 -97 CASE: 97 -1 Sign BY: Al- Jaff:v STAFF REPORT PROPOSAL: Sign Plan Review for Paws, Claws, and Hooves Pet Boarding LOCATION: North and adjacent to Highway 212 and east and adjacent to Highway 101. Address: 10500 Great Plains Boulevard Ac = 1 4 0* 4wMw"&Mm APPLICANT: Ms. Nancy Lee and Mr. Patrick Blood — _ P.O. Box 94 men 1 Shakopee, MN 55379 R - Do L 445 -0503 ®M 9&W6d to Coinnil Iuh PRESENT ZONING: BF, Fringe Business District ACREAGE: 13.16 acres ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: N - A -2; large lot single family residential and abandoned Railroad Right -of -Way S- A -2; Minnesota River Valley E - BF; commercial (sells used cars) W - BF; existing Brooks Motel i SEWER AND WATER: Services are not available to the site. SITE CHARACTERISTICS: The site contains two building (commercial kennel and stable) that are currently under construction. Vegetation is concentrat6d along the north, west, east, southwest, and southeast of the site. The center of the site is void of vegetation. There is a Natural Wetland located along the south edge of the site. There is an intermittent stream located to the southeast of the site which drains into the Minnesota River Valley (Wildlife Refuge). 2000 LAND USE: Commercial s. \ \ \ � df � -City of ;Chanhas City of Shakopee Paws, Claws & Hooves Pet Boarding August 25, 1997 Page 2 BACKGROUND On September 23, 1996, the City Council approved a Site Plan Review for the construction of a 8,152 square foot commercial stable and 12,936 square foot commercial kennel; a conditional use permit to allow a commercial kennel /commercial stable in a Fringe Business District; a conditional use permit to allow more than one principal building on a single lot; and a variance to allow a metal building and a pylon sign in a BF, Fringe Business District. One of the conditions of approval stated, "A complete sign plan shall be submitted to the City for review and approval by the Planning Commission and City Council." PROPOSAL SUMMARY The Fringe Business District allows one ground low profile business sign per lot. The area of the sign may not exceed 24 square feet and a height of 5 feet. The proposed ground low profile business sign submitted by the applicant meets these dimensions. Also, one wall mounted sign is permitted per street frontage. The total display area may not exceed 9% of the total area of the building wall upon which the signs are mounted. No sign may exceed 224 square feet. The applicant is proposing a sign band with 24 inch illuminated individual channel letters with an area of approximately 100 square feet which meets the ordinance requirements. The proposal that was approved on September 23, 1997, included a written request for a variance to allow a pylon sign along Highway 212. This sign would be in addition to the wall mounted and ground low profile business signs. The applicants did not wish to order a design for a pylon sign until they were certain the City would grant a variance to allow the pylon sign. Since staff did not have a design for a sign, it was explained that the applicant is requesting a variance and if approved, then a sign plan would be submitted to the Planning Commission and City Council for review and approval. The variance was granted, however, since there wasn't a plan or a design to review, it suggested the applicant limit the area of the sign to 24 square feet, not to exceed 15 feet in height and be located a minimum of 10 feet from the property line. Since then, the applicant submitted a design for a sign with an area of 69.8 square feet, 16 feet in height and is proposed to be located 40 feet from the front property line, within a drainage pond. The design of the sign is attractive and will be visible from Highway 212, giving the business the visibility it needs. Due to the site topography and existing vegetation, we believed that the commercial kennel building will be screened from views and a monument sign will not be seen from the highway since the elevation closer to Highway 212 is low and followed by a wetland. As suitable land is reached to locate a sign, the distance becomes too great to allow drivers on Highway 212 to see Paws, Claws & Hooves Pet Boarding August 25, 1997 Page 3 the sign and read it. We believed in this case the size of the sign the applicant is requesting is appropriate. PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE On August 5, 1997, the Planning Commission reviewed and approved this application. The main issues that were raised included the following: Size of the sign: The Planning Commission questioned staff regarding the rational behind increasing the size of the sing from the originally recommended 24 square feet to the 69.8 square feet. We explained that we researched the sign ordinance and examined the size of pylon signs in different districts. The following criteria was handed out to the Planning Commission: Districts where Pylon Signs are permitted Principal Structure District Size Height 50,000 s.f. or greater BH, BG, CBD 80 Square Feet 20 Feet Less than 50.000 s.f. BH, BG, CBD 64 Square Feet 16 Feet IOP 80 Square Feet 20 Feet General Facts on Paws, Claws and Hooves Pet Boarding Commercial Stable 8,125 Square Feet Commercial Kennel 12,936 Square Feet Proposed Pylon Sign size 69.8 Square Feet - Height of 16 Feet We also explained that a sign larger than 24 square foot sign will be better seen from the highway and provide the required identification for the business. The second issue dealt with the wall mounted and ground low profile sign. The applicant requested that they not be restricted to what is shown on the plan. It was also stated that this was done for the purpose of expediency. They wanted the option to have creativity. For example, the applicants show a sign band but they wish to have the option to stack,the letters. They will not use any additional square footage than is permitted by ordinance, however, they wish to have the option of creative design. If the City Council wishes to allow the applicants to stack the wall mounted sign rather than restrict it to a single band, condition #3 of the staff report should be amended accordingly. The Planning Commission added a condition that stated "Any changes in the sign band must be reviewed by staff. Any significant alteration shall brought back to the Paws, Claws & Hooves Pet Boarding August 25, 1997 Page 4 Planning Commission ". We need to point out the condition #10 restricts the signs to a logo and the name of the business occupying the building only. This language applies to all signs on site. Commissioner Peterson voted against this application for the reason that he did not think the architectural design of the sign was appropriate for the area. RECOMMENDATION The Planning Commission recommends approval of sign plan 97 -1 as shown on plans dated July 18, 1997, with the following conditions: Both buildings (commercial kennel and stable) shall share one monument sign. One monument sign per lot. Monument signage shall be subject to the monument standards in the sign ordinance. 2. Both buildings (commercial kennel and stable) shall share one pylon sign. One pylon sign per lot. The sign shall be subject to the dimensions and location proposed by the applicant. 3. Wall signs are permitted on no more that 2 street frontages. The letters shall be located within the designated sign band. 4. All signs require a separate permit. 5. The signage will have consistency throughout the development and add an architectural accent to the building. 6. Consistency in signage shall relate to color, size, materials, and heights. 7. No illuminated signs within the development may be viewed from the residential section north or west of the site. 8. Only back -lit individual letter signs are permitted as wall mounted signs as specified on the proposed plans. 9. Individual letters may not exceed 2 feet and logos may not exceed 30 inches in height. 5 10. Only the name and logo of the business occupying the unit will be permitted on the sign. Paws, Claws & Hooves Pet Boarding August 25. 1997 Page 5 11. The applicant must obtain a sign permit prior to erecting the signs on site. A detailed sign plan incorporating the method of lighting, acceptable to staff should be provided prior to requesting a sign permit. 12. These conditions shall be recorded with Carver County and added as an addendum to the site plan agreement. Staff will prepare the agreement which must be signed by the applicant. 13. Any changes in the sign band must be reviewed by staff. Any significant alteration shall brought back to the Planning Commission ". ATTACHMENTS 1. Planning Commission minutes dated August 6, 1997. 2. Plans dated July 18, 1997. Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 m. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department Policy on fire alarms. Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Policy #01 -1990. n. Locate existing hydrants on Quattro Drive and provide distances to entrance to the proposed building. o. Note on Sheet A 1.2 a tree that is placed next to hydrant. A 10' clear space must be maintained around fire hydrant. p. Note on Sheet A 1.2 a clear space needs to be maintained around the fire department connection. Trees and shrubs are currently shown in this area. Minnesota Uniform Fire Code Section 10. 10. The developer shall submit to the City for approval a revised Grading, Drainage and Erosion Control Plan incorporating additional silt fence along the driveway and City of Chanhassen Standard Detail Plates for Industrial Driveway (No. 5207), Silt Fence (No. 5300), and Rock Construction Entrance (No. 5301) and additional silt fence parallel to the driveway prior to issuance of a building permit. 11. Storm sewer calculations for a 10 year, 24 hour storm event shall be submitted to the City Engineering Department for review and approval prior to issuance of a building permit. 12. Haul routes shall be pre- approved by the City Engineer. 13. Any retaining walls to be constructed in excess of four feet in height must be engineered and appropriate permits and inspections obtained from the City's Building Inspections Department. 14. Sanitary sewer and water hook -up charges will be applied to the building permit. The charges shall be based on the number of SAC units determined by the Metropolitan Council. 15. A detailed sign plan incorporating the method of lighting, acceptable to staff should be provided prior to requesting a building permit. All voted in favor and the motion carried. PUBLIC HEARING: SIGN PLAN REVIEW REOUEST FOR A PYLON MONUMENT AND WALL SIGN, LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HWY. 101 AND HWY 212, PAWS, CLAWS. AND HOOVES PET BOARDING., Sharmin Al -Jaff presented the staff report on this item. V/ Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Peterson: Any questions of staff? Conrad: Sharmin why, you're going beyond, what's your rationale for going beyond the original recommended sign size? Didn't you, did I read this right that the area be limited to 24 square feet? Al -Jaff: The applicant felt that with that size, the sign will not be seen from Highway 212. Conrad: That's probably true. Al -Jaff: And they felt that a larger sign would work better for their purposes. Conrad: What's our rationale for, if it's true. What's our rationale for going beyond? I guess we're just saying that we allowed variance. We granted a variance and now it's just common sense taking over versus an absolute 24 square feet. Now that we've looked at the specifics, this makes sense. Al -Jaff: We also looked, that question came up earlier today from Planning Commissioners contacted staff and said why that size. What we did was, we went through the ordinance and then pulled out all the pylon, there should be a sheet on... the districts that permit pylon signs. We found out that if the area is larger than 50 square feet for the principle structure, and if it's on highway business, general business or central business district, they can go up to 80 square feet. If it's less than 50,000, which is the case of the applicant, the maximum area shall not exceed 64 square feet. Aanenson: I was just going to give some rationale on how we ... when we did the sign ordinance. We tried to, the old sign ordinance there wasn't any factor given to the size of the parcel in relationship to the sign so what ... same size sign. With the sign ordinance we tried to ... you have larger parcels, it made sense to give you larger signs. So I guess that's kind of the same... Sharmin came up with that. Since you've already granted a variance, giving them... Peterson: Other questions? Sidney: When we were talking about the sign area, are we just talking about where the lettering is? Not the horseshoe and logo up above. Aanenson: Well you can comment on the design... and the size. The recommendation that staff had as far as what we're coming up with, or point of beginning. You would start... Sidney: Well I guess it says in the staff report, it says 69.8 square feet. Is that only that one area? Al -Jaff: That includes the horseshoe. Sidney: Oh okay. So actually the lighted portion is much, it's quite a bit smaller than. 5 feet 6 I think I see here. No wait. N . Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Al -Jaff: Approximately 8 square feet attached to the... Conrad: This is the pylon sign? AI -Jaff: Correct. Conrad: Where is the low, or the proposed ground low profile business sign? Peterson: At the entrance. Conrad: Ah. Okay. Al -Jaff: It's identical to the pylon sign ... and without the horseshoe. Conrad: And where does that rest? Is that off of TH 101? Al -Jaff: It's off of TH 101. Conrad: Okay. Peterson: What's regulation on lighting of the pylon sign? Can it be lit? Up lit? It can't be back lit, or it can be? Al -Jaff: Back lit. It cannot have lights shining... Peterson: And this one is proposed to be back lit? Al -Jaff: Right. Peterson: Pylon sign. And Ladd earlier you made a comment, Sharmin if you can speak to this. As I drive out there, you know the stable and a good portion of the kennel had a clear visible sight lines from TH 212. I mean it's very prominent and I'm trying to ascertain whether or not when you said that the standard wouldn't be seen, I'm not terribly convinced that it wouldn't be because it's like a beacon up there. The stable. I don't know whether or not going, the standard wouldn't be seen. I guess Sharmin, at least from your experience and Kate maybe from yours, is that definitely the case that they will be too far away to see? If we kept within the minimum as set forth by the code. Aanenson: Well, to be honest the horse stable got moved a little bit from the original site plan approval. Due to some wetland delineation, grading issues so it's probably more visible than what we originally led you to believe. Can you see it now very clearly? Yes. If they put a wall band around which is one of the proposals, will you be able to see that from the highway? It'd be pretty small. The banding that they're proposing is 14 feet in the air... Two feet high. I'm not sure. Q6 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Peterson: But it's a question mark. Okay. Conrad: How far back is the building off of 169? Al -Jaff: ...200. Peterson: On the edge of being seen. Conrad: If you're a ... this would help. Is the pylon sign a double faced? Is it double faced? But I also heard the word back lit. It is? Okay. But the materials are what? Al -Jaff: The plastic... Peterson: Other questions for staff? Would the applicant or their designee wish to address the Planning Commission this evening. If so, please come forward and state your name and address please. Ed Dousette: Hi there. I'm Ed Dousette... Signs. I designed the signs. I'm president of the company and I guess I can help explain some of the rationale. What decisions were made and why. So in terms of the pylon sign, what we've done is internally illuminated the sign. We have lexan faces. Aluminum can steel poles and the horseshoe logo will be non lit. The purpose being it's just to give us as much of a printing or the lettering, the largest size we can possibly get so it can be seen. You're approximately looking at about a 15 inch to 18 inch letter on Paws, Claws, Hooves Boarding. And going down, that's 212 at the rate of speed, if we went down to say a 24 inch or 24 square foot sign you'd probably be working at about a 6 to 8 inch letter which would make it at that rate of speed. It would literally be a waste of time. The other thing is coloration will be the wood tone effect which will not make it right but you will get your contrast so we're still trying to keep in the theme of what business is and still blend with the natural wood effect. And I guess if there's any more questions about the pylon sign, go for that. And then we can move into the next. Peterson: What colors are we talking about for the lettering versus? Ed Dousette: We're talking a wood tone. A light wood. Imagine if you will an oak. A grained oak, light versus a dark oak stain. That's where the contrast is going to come in from. Peterson: ...is as a wood tone also. Ed Dousette: Yes. I'm sorry. They're aluminum but they're going to be painted wood tone. Be prime painted wood tone. They're not out there. The poles will be steel because it's ineffective if we put aluminum for the type of strength that you're going to need. All other components will be aluminum because I don't like rust basically. Once I put them up I don't want to deal with them again for a while. 1111 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Sidney: That brings up a point. How often will you have to repaint the sign do you believe? Ed Dousette: Well we use a two part primer, mathew system and then we use three coats of acrylic enamel. Sidney: So that's practically a sign in itself. Ed Dousette: I mean basically what you're looking at is about a car finish. You take this one is going to take a lot more, more in labor intensive just to get your graining effect in there. But it's kind of a neat sign so we decided we'd do it. Sidney: Then the drawing, that seems to show that there's depth to the sign. Do you actually get that effect from your painting? Ed Dousette: You'll get that from your painting. It's called a drop shade effect. By just highlighting the back edge of the letter you're going to get your depth effect out of the light. Peterson: Other questions? Thank you. Ed Dousette: Oh I do have one. While we're all here. In the staff report, basically what I did when I put out the entry sign ... entry sign, it's just a matter of expediency. They have, and I show an entry sign where it's going to be for the sign criteria. At this point in time we may, I mean I guess I would like to have the option to have creativity if we decide that possibly we would like to ... but just the idea that I don't want to be restricted... the horseshoe logo there as opposed to... Peterson: Okay. Ed Dousette: In terms of, we have asked for 24 inch. Originally I asked for a sign band but the clients have mentioned that possibly they may want to stack. The overall square footage will not change but put Paws and Claws on one line and Hooves Pet Boarding on another line... Sidney: So what are you showing us then? Ed Dousette: I guess what I'm saying is, in terms of a sign band, at some future point in time it may not want to be a sign band ... all the way along the building. The Council to think that we're going to be locked into the sign band is used from the industry... Sidney: So you're just kind of giving us. Ed Dousette: Basically all I'm saying is I'm not going to use anymore square footage than what I've already committed to. It's just how I'm going to present it. Sidney: And I guess tonight all we're dealing with are these two signs so. Ed Dousette: Okay. I'm just trying to. 11 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Peterson: And Kate, can't we just deal with the pylon sign tonight. That's really what. Aanenson: Well, what he's saying is true. As long as ... and not a roof sign. So if they stack the letters-puts the logo, that's fine as long as it doesn't go up towards the roof and there's criteria where you can locate that. But if we stay within those framework... Conrad: Mr. Chairman, how can we react to something that's that loose? Peterson: That's where I'm coming from. I'm prepared to, at least voice my opinion on the pylon sign this evening but the others I'd like to see back. We can separate the two issues. Aanenson: Yeah I guess, you Sharmin covered them in the conditions as far as the individual letters... criteria. As far as what can be on the sign. The name and the logo and it appears like the horseshoe is kind of a logo. If they stack them, that still meets our ordinance. Unless you, that's permitted given the... change from the theme... And as far as the monument sign, if they put the logo on the top of that, although it still exceeds the 5 foot height... Conrad: So by the code, they could take, they could stack the sign band into three or four. Aanenson: If they can stay within the area and it doesn't exceed the roof. Conrad: Right. Aanenson: We've indicated that to them. I'm not sure, they could stack it the exact same... Conrad: And we allow stacked sign bands? That doesn't seem like the way I would want a sign, to be honest with you. If I get back... Aanenson: A perfect example is one that ... the arched look. Al -Jaffa Body, Spirit and Mind. Aanenson: But there's different creations... involved in some of that. As Sharmin has pointed out, what the square footage is ... 24 square feet so we've calculated the area off. Again what we don't want to do is have it ride up along the edge of the roof ...area of the roof line of the sign. I mean if you feel like this is deviating significantly, we think that what they've indicated that it ... fall within, it didn't, we'd have to bring it back. The sign band... You can leave that out. That's fine. If you'd like to see that portion back. The sign band. Peterson: ...discussion period. This item is open for a public hearing. May I have a motion to open it and a second please. Brooks moved, Sidney seconded to open the public hearing. The public hearing was opened. 12 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Peterson: Anyone wishing to address the Planning Commission tonight, please come forward and state your name and address please. Seeing none, may I have a motion to close the public hearing and a second. Conrad moved, Sidney seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed. Peterson: Discussion. LuAnn. Your thoughts please. Sidney: I guess I understand better about the square footage of the internally lighted sign. It's about 55 square feet and then you have the additional logo at the top so indeed I think it's you know a modest sign for the location and the size of the buildings. I looked at the design. At first I went goodness. Then I know what the buildings look like currently and I was a little confused by kind of the rustic nature of this sign compared to a metal building and I'm wondering a little bit, you know I wondered a bit about the decision for this type of design. I guess when I'm thinking about it more, I guess I don't have any real problems with it. I presume that's a part of the whole kind of logo that is going on letterhead and carried on through the building. So I guess I don't really have a problem with the sign after thinking about it. I'd like to hear from other commissioners as well. Peterson: Ladd. Conrad: I don't have any problems at all with the pylon sign. I think that's good for business. I think because of the setback we have to allow that. ...we have rationale for the next one that comes in and gets a variance. It seems like there's enough rationale to limit the size. So I'm comfortable with the pylon sign. I'm comfortable with the monument sign. The channel or the band sign is still, size wise it's not a big deal. I guess my preference, I wish they'd duplicate the design that they have on the other signs. Aanenson: I guess that's what I'm saying Ladd. That's what the ordinance says. They can't on Boarding, Call 999. There has to be a logo theme. It can't be something, we went through this discussion with Byerly's. Open 24 Hours. So there is limitations as far as what they can put on there. Conrad: Well that's really what, yeah. It's real loose right now. Even the sketch is loose and you know, it's not that I really care that this comes back. If they'd put the ... same thing that they have on their pylons, on the wall, I think that's fine. In fact that's more consistent and I don't like the, I really don't like the band sign to be honest with you. That's more downtown Chanhassen. Down there, I don't like it. That's none of my business`however. I just, I'm kind of in this business so I know something about it. I wouldn't do it if I were you but it's none of my business. If staff assures us that they have total control on the band, then I'll get it out of here. Peterson: Thanks. Allyson. 13 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Brooks: I really have no problems with the sign. I think it's probably about the right height to be able to see it from Trunk Highway 212 and I don't think this one's a big issue. Peterson: I guess I do have a couple problems. With as it relates however to the size and variance, I'm comfortable with that and the other signs, of how they're potentially going to change within the parameters, I'm comfortable with. What I'm a little bit uncomfortable with is really the style and I guess I'm uncomfortable primarily because of this is going to be really the first view of Chanhassen that people coming up from 169 will see. I look at the sign, the sign to me doesn't fit the rest of the building. When you said earlier, I've been driving at it, we made a decision however many months ago not to do a variance. Of not having wood on the structure so it is more of a like a contemporary feel with the metal and I think aluminum siding or whatever. Aluminum or vinyl. I don't think the sign necessarily fits the building and it is our first impression. It makes it look more rustic, western versus only the buildings are more contemporary midwestem style. I guess I'm uncomfortable with the design. I don't know whether or not we have the ability, how much control we have over the design and feel of it. I guess I'd ask staff for comments. How much discretion we do have. But I think it's in a very prominent place for the City and I think we have to take extra effort to be sure that it really sets the tone of what we want to when people enter the City. I know from my perspective it doesn't represent the tone that I'd be looking for. Aanenson: The ordinance does require architectural... I guess when we looked... Brooks: That meets the standard boarding theme. I don't know, I think that's. Aanenson: That's where we left it. Sharmin and I... I think the problem that we're struggling with is the location of the building and the prominence. It's higher than... It's still set back 150 feet. But because it's... Peterson: I mean in many ways this sign isn't that substantially less than prominence of view than Villages on the Ponds is and we were talking about getting down the detail of what color of neon so I'm not uncomfortable by voicing my opinion. I just don't think it fits there. The buildings are much more prominent than we originally had expected and we thought there'd be much less vegetation loss. I mean it's a lot, a sight line there so. Brooks: I think Villages on the Pond though, I know my problem with that was that it reminded me of Disney World. The sign didn't fit what I felt was the function and the theme that we were trying to get at. Whereas this, I guess it's rustic but I think it fits the function of the property. I mean the building's may not be wood but it's got that kind of Wyoming, here are the animals and the horses feel to it. To me if you put a more modern sign, it would look kind of awkward for the business. I mean at least to give them credit, if I'm driving by and I see that the sign with the kind of feel to it gives me an idea of what the business there is. Peterson: All right, thank you. With that may I have a motion please. 14 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 Conrad: Mr. Chairman, you didn't express your opinion on the sign band. Peterson: I concur with you Ladd. I don't think it's necessary, particularly with the pylon sign being prominent. Again, it's at our discretion to vote on that aspect of it but my opinion is I think it would be overkill. And I have a problem with the discretion of stacking versus allowing them the latitude to have stacked versus band. Conrad: Okay, I'll make a motion the Planning Commission recommends approval of sign plan #97 -1 on the plans dated July 18, 1997. It probably should be by plans number... With conditions 1 through 12 per the staff report and I'll add in a condition 13. That will require the applicant, this is probably required anyway but it just reinforces that any changes in the sign band must be reviewed by staff. Any significant alteration be brought back to the Planning Commission. Peterson: Is there a second please? Brooks: I'll second that. Conrad moved, Brooks seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of Sign Plan #97 -1 as shown on the plans dated July 18, 1997 with the following conditions: Both buildings (commercial kennel and stable) shall share one monument sign. One monument sign per lot. Monument signage shall be subject to the monument standards in the sign ordinance. 2. Both buildings (commercial kennel and stable) shall share one pylon sign. One pylon sign per lot. The sign shall be subject to the dimensions and location proposed by the applicant. 3. Wall signs are permitted on no more than 2 street frontages. The letters shall be located within the designated sign band. 4. All signs require a separate permit. 5. The signage will have consistency throughout the development and add an architectural accent to the building. 6. Consistency in signage shall relate to color, size, materials and heights. 7. No illuminated signs within the development may be viewed from the residential section north or west of the site. 8. Only back -lit individual letter signs are permitted as wall mounted signs as specified on the proposed plans. 9. Individual letters may not exceed 2 feet and logos may not exceed 30 inches in height. 15 Planning Commission Meeting - August 6, 1997 10. Only the name and logo of the business occupying the unit will be permitted on the sign. 11. The applicant must obtain a sign permit prior to erecting the signs on site. A detailed sign plan incorporating the method of lighting, acceptable to staff should be provided prior to requesting a sign permit. 12. These conditions shall be recorded with Carver County and added as an addendum to the site plan agreement. Staff will prepare the agreement which must be signed by the applicant. 13. Any changes in the sign band must be reviewed by staff. Any significant alteration shall be brought back to the Planning Commission. All voted in favor, except Peterson who opposed, and the motion carried with a vote of 3 to 1. Peterson: And the reason for the opposition is going back to the comment is I just don't think it's architecturally appropriate for the area. OLD BUSINESS: Peterson: Old business Kate. Aanenson: The last City Council meeting on 7/28 was actually fairly light as far as planning items. On the consent was the final PUD and final plat for the Arboretum Business Park, formerly known as Gateway. It's now called Arboretum Business Park. So they're underway and... Also on 7/29 there was a neighborhood meeting regarding the proposed... and there may be a follow -up to that... Later in August, scheduled for September 3` Planning Commission. Also on the 20' we'll be doing the comprehensive plan. Natural Resources element. Autumn Ridge, which is the property on Galpin ... Highway 5. Across from the school. That's being replatted. Sidney: What does that mean? Aanenson: Well what they did is came in with a little bit different product ... and they changed the lot lines so the product fits in better ... this area of TH 101 and 169... Oh, one other thing. The City Council... looked at, took an opportunity to drive around and look at ... which reminds me the August 20` meeting we are starting public hearings is noticed for 8:30 so for the that first hour, if you can get here, we're going to take that opportunity and do 'some driving. Drive around the city and look at projects. See what's happening. Sidney: Who's driving? 16 July 7, 1997 Planning Commission and City Council City of Chanhassen The request is made for a pylon sign on the existing property to take advantage of the main traffic flow along Highway 212. 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