10a. Villages on the Ponds: Wetland Restoration and Streetscape.CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager
Action by City Administratull
;endorsed
Modified
Rejected
Dat , a
Date Submitted to Commissiort
FROM: Bob Generous, Senior Planner
Date Submitted to Council
DATE: June 23, 1997
SUBJ: Village on the Ponds, Streetscape and Wetland Enhancement Plan
BACKGROUND
On September 23, 1996, the City Council approved PUD 95 -2, Villages on the Ponds, including
a Comprehensive Land Use Plan amendment from Office /industrial, Institutional, Residential
Medium Density, Residential Low Density to Mixed Use - Commercial, High Density Residential,
Institutional and Office; Preliminary planned unit development for up to 291,000 sq. ft. of
commercial /office buildings, 100,000 sq. ft. of institutional buildings, and 322 dwelling units;
Rezoning from IOP and RSF to PUD, Planned Unit Development (final reading); and final plat.
The applicant is responding to the following conditions of approval:
• The applicant shall be responsible for the installation of street lights along the private and
public streets. The applicant and city staff shall work together to prepare a street lighting plan
to be incorporated into the street construction plans.
• The developer and future site users shall be required to incorporate street /plaza furniture,
planting boxes, public art, bicycle racks, drinking fountains, etc. within the development and on
individual site plans.
• The applicant shall prepare a detail plan for the design of the wetland alterations.
• The applicant shall provide specific landscaping plan for wetland 2000 and along TH 5.
Don Ashworth
Village on the Ponds
June 23, 1997
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DISCUSSION
The applicant has prepared a detailed hardscape and landscape (streetscape) plan for Lake Drive
and Main Street, perimeter landscaping plans for Village on the Ponds, and a detailed wetland
enhancement/mitigation plan for the proposed Village Pond (wetland 2000). Staff believes the
applicant has come a long way in visualizing the condition imposed on the development to
incorporate street /plaza furniture, planting boxes, public art, bicycle racks, drinking fountains, etc.
within the development and on individual site plans. The proposed plan provides a basis for the
individual site users to assist in creating a vibrant and enjoyable public realm. The wetland plan,
when fully implemented, will be a wonderful asset for the development and the city.
The proposed streetscape plan is divided into two phases. The first phase will provide one
continuous pedestrian loop within the development: the trail system around the village pond and
from Highway 5 to Lake Drive and the north end of Main Street, along the north side of Lake
Drive, and along the east side of Main Street. The complete system is unfeasible to install in one
phase due to the need to excavate for the underground parking areas. However, all boulevard and
buffer landscaping will be done as part of the first phase.
It should be noted that this project is funded in part with a grant from the Metropolitan Council
through the Livable Communities Demonstration Account of the Metropolitan Livable
Communities Fund. The City and developer shall acknowledge this financial assistance in
promotional materials, press releases, reports and publications relating to the project activities being
funded.
PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE
On June 4, 1997, the Planning Commission held a hearing to review the proposed wetland
restoration plan and streetscape plan for the Village on the Ponds project. The Planning
Commission voted six for one against with one abstention to recommend approval of the Village on
the Pond Hardscape, Landscape, Buffer Yard and Wetland Enhancement/Mitigation plan subject to
the conditions of the staff report and the addition of the following conditions:
• Lighting for parking areas shall minimize the use of lights on pole standards in parking areas.
Rather, emphasis should be placed on building lights and poles located in close proximity to
buildings.
• All site plans shall include the locations of utility boxes together with the landscaping plan
providing screening from primary views. Landscaping materials used for such screens shall be
species which can be pruned to maintain appropriate height.
Don Ashworth
Village on the Ponds
June 23, 1997
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RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends that the City Council adopt the following motion:
"The City Council approves the Village on the Ponds Hardscape, Landscape, Buffer Yard, and
Wetland Enhancement /Mitigation Plan prepared by BRW, Inc., dated May 9, 1997, subject to the
following conditions:
1. The overstory tree proposed at the driveway entrance across Lake Drive from Grandview Road
shall be relocated adjacent to Grandview Road.
2. The plan should note that there is a 50 foot building and parking setback from the eastern
property line adjacent to the residential properties.
3. The most southerly three flowering crabs west of AmericInn shall be replaced with Scotch Pine.
4. The flowering crabs west of AmericInn shall be staggered rather than being paired.
5. The City and developer shall acknowledge in promotional materials, press releases, reports and
publications relating to the project that this project is funded in part with a grant from the
Metropolitan Council through the Livable Communities Demonstration Account of the
Metropolitan Livable Communities Fund.
6. Lighting for parking areas shall minimize the use of lights on pole standards in the parking area.
Rather, emphasis should be placed on building lights and poles located in close proximity to
buildings.
7. All site plans shall include the locations of utility boxes together with a landscaping plan
providing screening from primary views. Landscaping materials used for such screening shall
be species which can be pruned to maintain appropriate height."
ATTACHMENTS
1. Village on the Ponds Hardscape, Landscape, Buffer Yard, and Wetland
Enhancement/Mitigation Plan.
2. Planning Commission Minutes of June 4, 1997.
Planning Commission Meeting - June 4, 1997
Joyce moved, Skubic seconded that the Planning Commission recommends that the AUAR
be revised to incorporate the summary of issues and mitigation plan contained in the staff
report and that the revised AUAR be adopted by the City. Also to include that the
developer and site user will promote traffic and land management strategy and that after
final delineation of the wetlands, the Planning Commission revisit the north /south street.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously.
VILLAGES ON THE PONDS - REVIEW OF PROPOSED WETLAND RESTORATION
AND STREETSCAPE.
Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item.
Vernelle Clayton: Thank you. My name is Vernelle Clayton. I live at 422 Santa Circle here in
Chanhassen. Oh, that's scary. I've not been here since we have that. We have a couple other
folks here with us. Tim O'Brien, who works with Mika Milo, our architect and Kathy Ryan who
is with BRW. Dean Olson whom you have all, most all met is the person in charge of this
project but he had to be out of town tonight. We also have Willy Anderson from the AmericInn
or ... and John Siebert is planning to be here, assuming he gets out of the Denver airport in time.
He deplanes here around a little while ago right. I wanted to just briefly go over what we said
our goals were withw ct to the landscaping and that was that we would be selecting species
and pleas in such a way that we would reflect and enhance the overall architectural style
of the neotraditional development. We're giving special attention to the materials that were
prevalent at the time of the dominance of this thriving small town in Minnesota's first half
century. ...example that we like to use would be spirea, lilac, hydrangea and so forth. All of
which are still used in modern planting schemes but when placed appropriately will reflect
yesteryears tone. Smaller planting materials will include day lilies, geraniums, tulips, hollyhocks,
and other hardy species from gramma's garden. Larger plant species will focus on materials
naturally occurring in Chanhassen's soils and terrain as well as appropriate decorative material.
Special attention will be given to the edges of parking lots, selecting hedging material that is both
aesthetically pleasing and easily maintained as a screen at an appropriate height. And as with the
architecture that we've chosen, the project will seize upon the benefits of technological advances
in the hybridization and breeding of plant materials with their use and placement within the
landscape of the site will be reminiscent of their earlier youth. I hope that that's what will be
visible once everything is planted and I hope you'll see that it's reflected in what we're going to
be showing you. The ponds are going to be used both as decorative features and as functioning
NURP ponds. Adjacent to each wetland area is a NURP pond. We wanted to dress them up and
use them to our advantage. It's also intended that the plant material be designed so that we have
a limited amount of maintenance. We will be selecting someone who's specializes in wetland
restoration to do both the planting and to provide a maintenance program for the project. There
are some retained trees in and about the ponding area and those, as we mentioned before, will be
cleaned up and groomed so that those that are there can thrive. As you can see now they're kind
of angling in different directions and some kind of spindly. We want to clean them up and make
it so people can walk among them and it will be an added feature. With that I want to show, go
through just a few plans here and you can stop me at any point. Just so you know the scenario
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that I plan to use is just to show you how we plan to phase the project. Show you some color
sections. Talk about the Americinn corner. Point out two or three changes on the landscaping
plan that we would like to see from that which was submitted to you. Talk next about the bus
shelter and warming house and last about the signs. I usually save the response to the staff report
to last and talk about all the ways we want it changed but we don't have any problem with this
one. In fact we would like to add a couple, and I can distribute this so you... reference. I don't
recall if it was referenced in Bob's comments but I know it was referenced in Dean's cover letter.
The parking lot lighting we'd like to add this. Lighting for parking areas shall minimize the use
of lights on pole standards in the parking area. Rather emphasis should be placed on building
lights and poles located in close proximity to buildings. The reason for that is that it will
minimize the amount of light shining into the rest of the two stories residents that will be living
above these buildings. Landscaping, we'd like to add, all site plans shall include the locations of
utility boxes together with the landscaping plan providing screening from primary views.
Landscaping materials used for such screens shall be species which can be pruned to maintain
appropriate height. In other words we don't want all these surprises. All these ugly boxes that
keep popping up. This is the phasing plan and you have one in your packet. We thought it
would be a little more clear if we color coded one. The blue is what we intend to do first. The
project won't be all built at once, as you know. This site, the hotel site and the church site are the
first two sites immediately at both ends of the project and we have to do something all the way
through. We therefore have, in working with staff have agreed that we'll put a trail all the way
through. So the blue is what we'll do first. Now I need to just say that when we get to the ponds
we'll talk a little bit about what we're doing there. Not all of the planting will be done right
away on the ponds because we have to first kill all the stuff that nobody wants to stay there and it
has to have a little period of time to totally die. But it will be undertaken as part of the first
phase. The streetscaping that we're doing is 6 feet in from curb and the rest will be as you've
seen the area shown where there will be planters and so forth so the individual site plans will
show plans for that. We plan to plant the trees up and down main street on both sides initially
because we want them all to be the same size as they grow. But we want to avoid putting in as
much as we can along here and that means we'd like to keep one full side open because there will
be so much disruption when these buildings are put in because they have underground garages
and you can't just dig straight down. You have to have a little slope. So much of this will be to
serve, and we're hoping that we can accomplish it by only coming in a little bit into this that's
already done. Partly for that reason we're having pavers all along here because pavers can be
picked up, set aside and you can dig down and you can put them back and it doesn't look like
something was done after, as it might if you had to dig up half a sidewalk. There'd be a little bit
different color. So this is all the plan that we have and why for the phasing. Does anybody have
any questions or was I clear as mud on that? Then we have some inserts that show coloring and
planting on some of the plans that you have received. Again it shows that we'll be using the
pavers in all of these mid sections. This is the pond area. This is the town square area and this is
the area down by the church. Sometimes called church plaza. It's the one that will have the
fountain. This area, or all of these are pavers in basically repeating patterns but not always the
same pattern. The area, some of the area that you see that's light here is the concrete and then
around the edges is a little bit darker and that would be a little bit of a ... type. Dark pavers. This
is a sample of what we'll use for the rest of it so it's a little bit of a variation in color and placing
them sometimes herringbone. Sometimes staggered and I guess I don't have to repeat that.
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That's all shown on your plan. We have some little bit larger blow ups of a couple areas. This is
the fountain. We'll have, it will be lit and it will be sodded and this geometrical design here of
some flowers on four quadrants. We need to have trees that are somewhat overstory but not too
bulky. For safety sake you need to be able to see the cars driving around. This is an example of
the planting area. I don't think I really need to explain all that. It's down on this corner we show
it kind of at hedge height. We want to have the look of hedges, as many projects as possible and
particularly along the edges of the parking lot. This is the, if you'll bear with me we'll take the,
the western edge and then the eastern edge and then we'll talk again. We'll come back to this
corner. The only thing I just want to point out to you on this is ... is out on the overall map...
This whole plan has been through here. Through this over the water pond. The fountain here...
Somehow or another a couple trees have been... The area along the east side. This has been a
subject of a great deal of discussion. A lot of work. A lot of engineering. And a fair amount of
communication with the neighbors. It's very dense, as you can see. It's going to be the, these are
the various levels of the retaining wall. It was decided long ago that we didn't want to have one
big blank retaining wall, although that question resurfaced a little while ago. And in- between,
because of the height and the difficulty to get in here to mow it, it will be naturalized plantings
such as grasses and so forth. Low maintenance plantings. This is the first house that you come
to as you go up Grandview, and this is the second one, just to give you some idea of how this
works.
Peterson: That ... in the upper left hand corner, is that the corner of the building too?
Vernelle Clayton: This is, yeah. This is... The only thing that is different here, I'll just point out
to you. It doesn't really matter for the ... and so forth but to solve an engineering problem that we
had, which meant if we couldn't move it, we moved it forward just a little bit. This whole thing
is moved forward just a little bit towards the parking lot in order to avoid taking any trees out of
this 17 foot ... and that's the decision that was just made this past week. So what you see here is
going to be moved just a little bit forward. Down in this area. I'd like to talk just a little bit
about the other... maybe it won't be able to do anything... drop off dramatically right there... So
the difference then on these plans is that... You want to be able to see the project ... but this
seems to point out that from where... As people drive down Highway 5 to get to that point...
That was never the intent that... So with that, I guess I'd like to know if anybody has any
questions on...
Joyce: The patio doesn't go in, what's the chance that patio will not go in?
Vemelle Clayton: I don't think...
Joyce: NSP's giving them a hard time about that?
Vernelle Clayton: No. They're not giving them a hard time about that if they use paper. They
just don't want them permanent.
Joyce: Oh I see, okay.
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Vernelle Clayton: ...
Brooks: Would you go over the chain link fence. What's the chain link fence for?
Vemelle Clayton: First of all every time you have ... that when you have retaining walls ... but
not everyone likes to have it solid. They like to be able to see something. In this case, where the
Anderson's are... To be perfectly honest with you, I don't know for sure where the fence is but I
think it's right in here. It's at the highest elevation...
Brooks: So the Anderson's would get a chain link fence?
Vernelle Clayton: The Anderson's will be looking at a more dense wooden fence. If they were to
come to us and say gee, we really would prefer that you put...
Blackowiak: And a chain link fence meets codes? It does, okay.
Aanenson: It's a safety issue...
Vernelle Clayton: Yeah, and with the plantings here, from this side you really won't see it.
Blackowiak: Okay. Can you talk about the emergency road? This is the first I've heard of it.
Can you point out where that is. Well I came in right at the very last meeting so I caught a
meeting but that's about it.
Vernelle Clayton: Grandview, you've all driven out there so... Little gravel road that goes up
here and it kind of winds around back ... to get the public improvements here, the public
improvements in there... A couple of things will happen. They'll then be able to subdivide their
properties and... 17 foot area which will enable them to upgrade the road. They'll have ... it will
then be at their option, they will put a road back in here...
Blackowiak: So it's coming from behind the church, up the hill, is that correct?
Vernelle Clayton: Correct.
Blackowiak: So it would be a road that the residents up on Grandview will be able to use on a
regular basis? It's supposed to be gated?
Aanenson: It's emergency access.
Blackowiak: So how do the emergency vehicles get in? They'll have special keys or something?
Aanenson: We have a couple other places in the city where we have that.
Vernelle Clayton: If you don't have any other questions.
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Joyce: No, I do have one. Maybe I could wait for...
Vernelle Clayton: ..a question I can't answer, she's here.
Joyce: Okay, well I'll present it. We talked a lot about that corner and it looks like you've got a
lot of deciduous trees but not a lot of coniferous. I'm sorry, by the American Inn. The American
Inn corner and we're talking about the view sheds from Highway 5. You see the American Inn
and not see the parking lot. Okay.
Vernelle Clayton: There are no deciduous trees that are short enough that would. I don't mean
deciduous.. .
Joyce: I'm talking about evergreens. There are no evergreens there, right?
Vernelle Clayton: Right.
Joyce: So what's that going to look like in the winter time?
Vernelle Clayton: It will be looking.
Joyce: We were talking, I agree with you as far as not seeing the cars. I mean you want to see
the buildings but not the cars, but what's going to happen in the winter time I guess is my
question.
Vernelle Clayton: The berming...
Joyce: Okay. Did we talk about any particular trees?
Aanenson: Jill looked at it. That was a point of discussion... Friday. I'm not sure that there's a
lot of concurrence on the screening...
Joyce: I'm just saying in the winter time. I mean you're going to have a lot of, I'm not as
concerned about the screening as do we want vegetation there or something to look at in the
winter time rather than.
Aanenson: There's going to be a lot of snow there.
Joyce: There's probably going to be a lot of snow there, right. That's what Bob said.
Aanenson: Right, but it is nice to see a little bit of variety though.
Vernelle Clayton: Yes, and I think in reality we're... There are some things that are just too
small... but we can't have it any bigger because of the wetlands...
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Joyce: Yeah you can't see, I don't think you are going to be able to see any cars. I mean it's hard
to look in there right now.
Vernelle Clayton: ...If we don't have anything else on the landscaping, although if you think of
something I'll be happy to come back to it.
Peterson: Just one last thing on landscaping. We talked early on about the trees you're putting
on the side of the road. I mean the thoroughfare with. I guess I asked staff, and you, I'm
concerned about putting trees in there now because of the building that's going on on both sides.
It's like, they're almost going to look out of place without buildings in there and the chances of
them surviving are, personal opinion obviously but I think their chance of surviving is about 100
to 1. I don't know if that's a request that we're making of them.
Generous: That is a request... just where we have the underground parking... Putting this stuff in
place.
Peterson: I guess I voice that as a concern. I look at what Eden Prairie has done around Eden
Prairie Center Drive and planted all those trees, every winter 3 /4 of them are dead.
Generous: Are they irrigated?
Peterson: No.
Generous: These will be... not having the buildings in place.
Peterson: How large are we talking about for those?
Generous: ...
Aanenson: I understand your concern. Again, what we looked at is trying to create an
environment that having the landscaping there, this is kind of what we do with the... say all these
things make it worth ... and also a place where residents... Show the commitment level in the
project and this is what... show the commitment.
Peterson: What about the aspect of, as a developer or builder having to work around those things
being a negative? Is that.
Vernelle Clayton: ...they need to be overstory... The grant that we have from the...
Peterson: Thanks.
Vernelle Clayton: ...The bus shelter. Part of the project ... bus shelter and they are to be
located... coordination with Southwest Metro. ...
Brooks: Will you be able to pass that around?
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Vernelle Clayton: Sure. You want the board passed around or the colors?
Brooks: The colors. Thank you very much.
Peterson: Within a comment, it just seems a little bit simple. I don't know how much money is
allocated to that. It's almost contemporary in design versus the neotraditional feel.
Vernelle Clayton: ...Southwest Metro for safety... The warming house... black on white and I
think, didn't we say we probably would have to have... We assumed it probably was a
requirement that street signs be green. We didn't know. This shows blue but I think that's
probably emergency. Are they blue? I thought they were emergency, blue was emergency.
Well, then we'll work that out so that we're not violating any code or anything...
Joyce: Where's that going to be located?
Vernelle Clayton: This one here...
Joyce: So that's going to be right in front.
Brooks: Is the neonlrr, I mean or is it colored? The white, it's just white neon?
Vernelle Clayton: Yes. The only other thing that I mentioned with respect to signs is that St.
Hubert's has asked for ... and we said gee, what a neat idea but we haven't had time to apply for it
so right in the center of town sort of right there.
Peterson: Kind of like Time Square?
Vernelle Clayton: Yeah... I'll just check but I don't think that I have anything else. Are there
any other questions?
Peterson: Any feedback from fellow commissioners? I'm sure you've got things going through
your mind.
Joyce: Just a general, and you actually covered it Vernelle but as far as the lighting goes. You
showed some lights.
Vernelle Clayton: ...something around the...
Joyce: Well actually the question I had as far as, and you actually put that condition in because I
was concerned about parking lot lighting. Is that going to be site by site where we see, obviously
we see this?
Aanenson: That's what would be the master condition. Again to make it more friendly to the
residential component.
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Joyce: No, I mean you come down Highway 5 and you see all the other parking lots and we
obviously don't, I thought the lighting was well done on what you proposed. I think that's real
important though I guess. It'd be something I would definitely look at.
Generous: ...
Joyce: I'm sorry.
Generous: For the height limit.
Joyce: Oh good. What's our ordinance as far as candle wattage and all that? Are we going to
run into problems or talk about that or?
Aanenson: Just at the property line ... but we're taking a different approach about the interim...
Joyce: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do you have a public safety issue but it's just another, all
these little details that make it work. But that was a great condition that you put in.
Peterson: When did you plan the sign, when is the sign planning on going in this year?
Brooks: I noticed on the ... sign is behind the pond. So you can see it from TH 5 or you can't?
Vernelle Clayton: Hopefully you can. That was the idea...
Brooks: Yeah, I realize I'm coming in late to this project.
Peterson: Speaking of the sign, I guess if you're looking for general opinions. I love the logo. I
think it's a nice job on the logo. Personally it doesn't seem to fit with the blue arch. It just.
Vernelle Clayton: Well this blue is not right.
Peterson: Well it's not so much the blue as maybe is the, it just looks so simple in front of what
will be a very grand, you know grand main street of sorts. Do fellow commissioners have any
feelings on this sign at all?
Brooks: Well, and I know I'm coming into this project late because I haven't been on this
commission very long but what you're trying to do, my understanding is sort of a traditional
urban area. Okay, neotraditional. Right, new urbanism type thing. The sign gives me a Disney
World type flavor. I don't feel like it expresses maybe what you're trying to do and maybe I'm
just not interpreting what I see right but I just.
Joyce: Are you against the shape of the sign or?
Brooks: Maybe it's the neon.
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Joyce: I think the shape is the right shape, don't you?
Brooks: The arch doesn't bother me. I think the, maybe it's the way the neon. The way I'm
looking at it on the plan, I just get this Disney World feel from seeing all that neon and it's not
the arch. It's not the village.
Vernelle Clayton: ...the reason for ... neon is...
Brooks: So I'm not helping matters. Is it possible to, I suppose you can't like back light it at
night or? Something a little more classy. I just, the neon over the arch, and again I don't know if
anybody else feels this way, it's still kind of carnivally to me or fairish or.
Peterson: Yeah, up- lighting would give it a more.
Vernelle Clayton: ...because we want this to be a fun place. We want it to be exciting. We
want a lot of people... fun place. We're adding...
Brooks: You can fun and classy. I like your idea of up- lighting. Just consider it because I think
up- lighting would give it, it would still illuminate the sign but it would be just a little more classy
than stripes of neon. I don't know. It's just a thought. Just a thought.
Vernelle Clayton: ...very talented.
Peterson: From a maintenance standpoint, I'd be surprised if that neon in cold weather has a
tendency to change.
Vernelle Clayton: ...
Brooks: If it's possible I'd like to see the sign again with just sort of a different attempt at
lighting. The neon just, the neon striping is just.
Peterson: And we aren't necessarily approving the sign tonight anyway, are we?
Aanenson: Well I think we're giving them general direction that ... explore further.
Vernelle Clayton: ...probably have it looked at again.
Peterson: Okay. Other comments, questions? Anything else Vernelle? Good job. It doesn't
require a public hearing but we would like to hear a motion from my fellow commissioners.
Brooks: To open this up, I'm sorry? I move to.
Peterson: I guess I have to, I'm not talking about'discussion tonight, am I? I want to get out of
here. Allyson, your comments. Anything over and above what you've shared?
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Brooks: I think I've shared enough.
Peterson: Alison.
Blackowiak: I agree about the neon. I don't see neo- traditional and neon but otherwise it looks
good. On the northwest corner by the AmericInn, I understand the problem with large trees but
could we do hedges or shrubs or something like that that's already got a presence within the
entire project. I mean that might be a way to continue it and still get some color on that corner.
Other than that I have no further comments.
Peterson: Ladd.
Conrad: I can't vote on this so no comments. The only, no comments.
Peterson: Kevin. Bob. I have none further than what I've already shared also so may I hear a
motion please.
Skubic: I make a motion the Planning Commission recommends approval of the Village on the
Ponds hardscape, landscape, buffer yard, and wetland enhancement/mitigation plan prepared by
BRW, Inc. dated May 9, 1997, subject to conditions 1 through 5 as presented by staff with the
two additions Vernelle outlined regarding the lighting and 7 regarding the site plan.
Peterson: Is there a second please.
Brooks: I'll second it.
Peterson: Any discussion?
Peterson moved, Brooks seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of
the Village on the Pond Hardscape, Landscape, Buffer Yard, and Wetland Enhancement/
Mitigation Plan prepared by BRW, Inc., dated May 9, 1997, subject to the following
conditions:
1. The overstory tree proposed at the driveway entrance across Lake Drive from Grandview
Road shall be relocated adjacent to Grandview Road.
2. The plan should note that there is a 50 foot building and parking setback from the eastern
property line adjacent to the residential properties.
3. The most southerly three flowering crabs west of AmericInn shall be replaced with
Scotch Pine.
4. The flowering crabs west of AmericInn shall be staggered rather than being paired.
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5. The City and developer shall acknowledge in promotional materials, press releases,
reports and publications relating to the project that this project is funded in part with a
grant from the Metropolitan Council through the Livable Communities Demonstration
Account of the Metropolitan Livable Communities Fund.
6. Lighting for parking areas shall minimize the use of lights on pole standards in the
parking area. Rather emphasis should be placed on building lights and poles located in
close proximity to buildings.
7. All site plans shall include the locations of utility boxes together with the landscaping
plan providing screening from primary views. Landscaping materials used for such
screens shall be species which can be pruned to maintain appropriate height.
All voted in favor, except Conrad who abstained, and the motion carried.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Skubic noted the Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated May 21, 1997 as presented.
OPEN DISCUSSION:
Aanenson: We will have a meeting on the 18 We have a subdivision that was going to be on
tonight on TH 41 from Carlson Properties. I'm concerned about some of the grading that will be
lost and I think we've ... better plan. You also have... comprehensive plan. We had a big kick off
meeting and Allyson Brooks ... last night, we met Carver County ... just to talk about
transportation. How that affects our updating of a comprehensive plan and trying to work
together to affect some changes. So that was a pretty enlightening meeting as far as we're trying
to work together so that's certainly one of the bigger components we have in our comprehensive
plan. How do we manage growth when we have a system that's at a very poor service level, as
was pointed out last night. If this was sewer we would not extend any more service. We'd
stopped. Because it's roads, people can still get past us. How do we manage that so that's going
to be a key component when we look at our...
Brooks: It was a good meeting. It was MnDOT and Met Council were very direct about not
having funding and very straight forward and there was not sort of dancing around the issue of
the fact that there's no money to build new roads. And I think Roger Gustafson was very well
spoken when he said we may end up with a plan that says level of service F is acceptable to
Carver County and that's it. That's all we can do. So it's going to be a very interesting issue for
the County comprehensive plan, not just Chanhassen's, as to how you balance the densities that
the Met Council is asking for versus the fact that there is no money for the infrastructure to
necessarily support those entities.
Aanenson: And then just so you know, for planning your calendars, the first meting in July, that
Wednesday tentatively we haven't got anything. Just block that meeting out. It's generally hard
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