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5. Market Square Site Plan.CITY OF CHANHASSU P.C. DATE: 2 -21 -96 & 3/6/96 C.C. DATE: 3 -25 -96 CASE: 95 -22 Site Plan BY: Al -Jaff.v STAFF REPORT r Lots 2 and 3, Block 1, Market Square. North of Subway, west of Market Square (Edina Realty Buildin>;), and south of West 78th Street Lotus Realty Services, Inc. P. O. Box 235 Chanhassen, MN 55317 9ftn by City Administrator Endorsed fdoditied Rejecte� V& Submitted to Commissiorl Irate Submitted to Council 3 -25 -g4::� PROPOSAL: LOCATION: APPLICANT: Site Plan Review for an 8,321 Square Foot Retail Building PUD, Planned Unit Development 0 L PRESENT ZONING: ACREAGE: DENSITY: ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: WATER AND SEWER: PHYSICAL CHARACTER.: 2000 LAND USE PLAN: 41,490.49 s.f. N - OI, and West 78th Street S - PUD, Market Square E - PUD, , Market Square II W - PUD, Market Square Available to the site. A level parcel. Commercial 0.95 acres Market Square III February 21, 1996 ' Page 2 ' PROPOSAL/SUMMARY On October 8, 1990, the City Council approved the final PUD plan for the Market Square ' Shopping Center subject to conditions. The site included 4 lots and one outlot. Market Square Shopping Center occupies Lot 1. Lots 2, 3 are vacant. Edina Realty is located on Lot 4 and a ' restaurant building (Wendy's) is on Outlot A. The current request is for the construction of an 8,321 square foot retail building to be located on Lots 2 and 3. The site plan is well developed, however, in some respects it does not meet all current standards. The PUD it is regulated by is almost 7 years old and while it was considered progressive at that time, newer standards have since been put into place. This request is subject to regulations under ' the existing PUD plan. The architecture of the retail building attempts to reflect the existing use of light gray rock face block foundation, burgundy sconce lighting with tile medallions, green metal to cap the roof line, stucco facade, and burgundy canvas awnings to match the shopping. This type of ' architecture and materials used is similar in quality to the rest of the shopping center and is consistent with downtown. A parapet wall screens all the roof top equipment as well as adds an attractive architectural element. ' Site access is provided via existing shopping center curb cuts on Kerber Boulevard and West 78th Street. Since Market Square has been completed, traffic circulation throughout the center has had its problems. One such area is turning into the shopping center from Kerber Boulevard. The lane is narrow and the turning radius is tight. Staff believes by increasing the drive aisle width to 26 feet it would improve turning movements into the site. This matter is discussed in detail under Access /Grading further in the report. ' The site landscaping is generally of high quality due to the attention that was paid to this issue by staff and the applicant. There are some trees located within the public right -of -way. Plans for protecting these trees must be submitted and approved by staff. ' The building and parking lot is proposed to be constructed on two lots. Consolidating those two lots will take place administratively and will be a condition of the site plan approval. ' Based upon the foregoing, staff is recommending approval of the site plan request for this proposal with appropriate conditions. ' SITE PLAN REVIEW General Site Plan/Architecture ' The applicant is proposing an 8,321 square foot retail building to be located on Lots 2 and situated south of West 78th Street and north of Subway. Access is gained off of a curb cut on Kerber Market Square III February 21, 1996 'I Page 3 Boulevard, and via West 78th Street. Parking is located to the west and south of the proposed building. The architecture of the retail building attempts to reflect the existing use of light gray " rock face block foundation, burgundy sconce lighting with tile medallions, green metal to cap the roof line, stucco fagade, and burgundy canvas awnings to match the shopping. This type of architecture and materials used is similar in quality to the rest of the shopping center and is 'I consistent with downtown. A parapet wall screens all the roof top equipment as well as adds an attractive architectural element. One interesting feature is the use of curved walls on all four elevations. The design gives the building its own unique identity, yet allows it to blend in with I' surrounding buildings through materials and colors. The applicant is showing the trash enclosure screened by masonry walls using the same materials as I' St a ff b elieves that t his is the Eenve�ent lesatie `x�.: e-bele-. that it ,.n „ra the buildings. not most . designated�nr the lot and replace the spac b meved to the northeast rerner- of park4ng paFk4ng south nno i into the r handicap 11 +-�� e l y 1 1'Y Th be lines .]n making up +NO buil tras enclos are w redesigned y -- lest parking- space. Staff investigated other locations that are more convenient, however, these ” alternative locations are more visible by pedestrians than that proposed by the applicant. There are electric boxes (transformers) operated and maintained by NSP, as well as a traffic controller unit, located at the northwest corner of the site. The applicant is proposing to move these II units, however, the plans do not show the new location of these units. The applicant should provide staff with this information. A 10 foot clearing must be maintained around the units for maintenance purposes. The applicant may relocate the units at their own expense after approval has been given by NSP. The plans also reflect a city traffic controller to be relocated. The location was chosen because it provides perfect sight lines of the signals while working on the signals. Also, moving this unit will require major expense due to all the electric circuits that converge at that traffic controller. Based upon the foregoing, the applicant may not be able to move this unit. has Staff is generally satisfied with the architecture of the building and note that the applicant worked extensively to prepare the design. The site on which the building is situated is a highly visible one. Staff appreciates the fact that the building is situated to maintain the West 78th streetscape by its close proximity and orientation. There is no parking between the street and the building, only landscaping. Setting an architectural standard for this building is consistent with the PUD approval which requires architectural consistency with the main shopping center building. Parking/Interior Circulation The city's parking ordinance requires 4.5 parking space per 1000 square feet of gross floor area for I' retail buildings. The building is proposed to contain 8,321 square feet. The number of parking spaces required is 38. The applicant is providing 39 parking spaces. �I Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 4 Landscaping The applicant has submitted a landscaping plan for proposed Market Square 3. Parking lot landscape area requirements is 8% of the total parking area. The applicant's parking lot is approximately 10,035 sq. ft.; required landscape area is 803 sq. ft. and 3 trees. The applicant has provided nine trees and the required landscape area. There are eight trees existing on site. Of the eight existing trees, it appears that six of them will be impacted by site grading prior to construction. Three oaks along the 78th Street sidewalk are shown to be within grading limits. The applicant has not detailed a plan for the survival of those trees. All existing trees along W. 78th Street must be preserved by the applicant. Staff can work with the applicant to devise a preservation plan. Three existing spruce in the southwestern corner of the development will also be impacted by grading. Since they appear on the landscaping plan, it is assumed that the applicant plans to preserve these trees however no plans for their preservation have been specified. The applicant will be responsible for all trees shown on the landscaping plan and will guarantee their survival. ' On the southwest corner of the proposed building, a landscaped area of Stella de Oro lilies and two skyline locusts are planned. Staff requests that the applicant provides a paved area in the landscape area to extend the building's sidewalk across to the mall sidewalk. In effect, it would create a crosswalk from Market Square 3 to the mall area. The loss of landscape area will not affect applicant's ability to meet landscaping requirements. The applicant's choice of landscaping materials are acceptable and will work well for the site. An interesting and unique choice is the use of feather reed grass as an accent, although the applicant needs to verify the number of plants used; 31 are shown on landscaping plans, but only 26 are counted in the plant schedule. ' Li htin Lighting locations have been shown on the plans. Only shielded fixtures are allowed and the ' applicant shall demonstrate that there is no more than .5' candles of light at the property line. Plans should be provided to staff for approval. Fixtures should match those being used elsewhere in the shopping center. Sinae ' The existing Market Square sign plan permits one monument sign only for the retail building site with the following conditions: Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 5 a. The height of the monument sign shall not exceed 12'10" (the height of the existing Market Square sign). b. The sign shall contain no more than 41 square feet of sign area per face. C. The sign shall be constructed to reflect the architectural style of the Market Square shopping center. Staff recommends the sign design be identical to the existing Market Square monument signs. d. The owner of each monument sign shall be responsible for its construction, repair, maintenance and/or replacement. There is an existing sign at the northeast corner of the site. As mentioned earlier, this is an existing 'I sign and it does not meet the required setback. Wall mounted signs are shown on all four elevations of the building. Wall mounted signs must meet the following criteria as identified in the sign covenant for Market Square: a. The letters and logos shall be restricted to 30 inches in height and must be lighted. b All individual letters and logos comprising each sign shall have a minimum depth of five inches and shall be constructed with a translucent facing over neon tube illumination. 'I C The signage shall be located on a maximum of two elevations of the building to be constructed. Access /Grading 11 The Market Square Shopping Center parking and drive aisles in itself are somewhat congested. This parcel is the last lot left to be developed. The site will be accessed from interior driveways. The parcel is bordered by Kerber Boulevard on the west, West 78th Street on the north and an interior drive aisle on the east. The site will be accessed from the existing drive aisle directly north of Subway. There are modifications proposed to the north curb line of the existing drive aisle as a result of this development. Staff has reviewed the drive aisle width and finds that the existing drive aisle adjacent to Subway is 24 feet wide face -to -face and then narrows to 22 feet wide to the west of Subway before exiting onto Kerber Boulevard. The City has an opportunity with this site plan proposal to improve a poor traffic situation. Staff has reviewed the site improvements and determined that the existing drive aisle could be widened since the curb along the north side of the drive aisle is going to be removed and replaced with the development anyway. It is desirable to maintain at least a 24 -foot wide, preferably a 26 -foot wide, drive aisle north and west of Subway out to Kerber Boulevard. This will add a degree of safety and comfort when making the very sharp curve behind Subway out to Kerber Boulevard. Staff has also explored the option to try and reduce the curvilinear drive aisle out to Kerber Boulevard; 'I however, due to grade differences along with the need to provide stacking distance at the stop lights on Kerber Boulevard and West 78th Street, it was not feasible. It is very important to maintain adequate stacking distance on Kerber Boulevard to maintain vehicles turning into the 'I I Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 6 site from Kerber Boulevard. Staff believes, given the situation, by increasing the existing drive aisle from 24 feet wide to 26 feet wide along and behind Subway will greatly improve .traffic flow in this area. Therefore, staff is recommending that the existing drive aisle be widened to a uniform width of 26 feet face -to -face. The proposed curb cuts into the site were shown at 24 feet wide yet the drive aisles in the interior parking lot is shown at 26 feet wide. Staff believes there should be a uniform width of 26 feet and it appears there is sufficient room to accommodate this recommendation without loss of parking stalls. Staff has also reviewed the grade difference on this site. There is approximately a 9 -foot drop from the northwest corner of the site down to the existing drive aisle behind Subway. The plans propose a fairly steep drive aisle /parking lot slope in this area approximately 5 %. When an individual opens their car door on this steep of a side slope, it may be difficult for the car door to remain open without slamming back into the individual. Staff recommends that the parking lot grade be revised to a maximum of 3.5% cross slope. This will result in extending and increasing the height of the retaining wall along West 78th Street (along the north edge of the parking lot). Grading for the parking lot will also impact the existing utility and traffic control box located in the northwest corner of the site. The plans indicate that these will be relocated; however, do not indicate to where and by whom. It should also be noted that the traffic control box has very limited abilities to be relocated. It is necessary to monitor the semaphores at the intersection while working on this traffic control box. Therefore, staff will have to work with the applicant in arriving at an acceptable location. It may be possible by extending the retaining wall ' to minimize or not even affect the traffic control box. The applicant should explore this possibility. The site grading will also impact the existing oak trees planted along West 78th ' Street. It is assumed that these oak trees may be temporarily transplanted and then planted back just south of the sidewalk along West 78th Street. The plans also propose a stairway from the southwest corner of the building out into about the middle of the Subway building. Staff believes that this is an inappropriate location for the steps to access and should be relocated to the east approximately 30 feet to be more conducive to pedestrian traffic. ' In the south parking lot area. the very westerly stall is only 12 feet long. This will create a situation where a vehicle will actually extend out into the drive aisle by three to four feet. A way to resolve this would be to extend the parking lot stall which results in a reduction of the ' sidewalk width in front of the building which is currently approximately 9 feet wide. Another problem exists in this area with the grade difference between the westerly parking stalls and proposed sidewalk. The proposed sidewalk elevation is at 968. The proposed parking lot elevation is at 966. This results into a two -foot deviation. It is unclear whether a retaining wall is anticipated and, if so, whether there is any fencing or a rail in this area. In addition, the parking lot grade on westerly end of the south parking area is very steep, approximately 6 %. A ' way to resolve this would be to lower the parking lot grade at the north end parking stalls to achieve a maximum of 3.5 %. This would only increase the retaining wall height adjacent to the ' sidewalk area. A handicapped stall should also be added on the very easterly end of the , Market Square III a February 21, 1996 Page 7 southerly parking area. At this point the grades are very flat and conducive to a handicap access point. 'I The plans propose a trash enclosure on the very southwest corner of the westerly parking lot. This trash enclosure location is situated on top of the City's drainage and utility easement. The City has a 10 -inch water line running directly underneath the proposed trash enclosure. The applicant will be required to enter into an encroachment agreement for the trash enclosure and landscaping materials within the City's utility easement. The trash enclosure can be relocated to the northeast corner of the parking lot. During construction it is often the case that the contractors drive from every street access point a into the site. Given the high volumes of traffic and the sidewalk and landscaping improvements along West 78th Street and Kerber Boulevard, staff recommends that construction access be a limited to the interior drive aisles and not from Kerber Boulevard or West 78th Street. Erosion Control The plans propose erosion control fence in areas along the south side of the development. Staff believes that once the parking lot improvements have been done, there is still a need to encompass the east, south and west side of the development with erosion control fence to prevent erosion and also deter contractors from driving where they are not supposed to. The plans should be revised to show the City's standard detail for erosion control measures (Type I). The plans do propose rock construction entrances at the proposed driveway entrances in accordance with City standards. 'I According to the plans, Kerber Boulevard actually extends a couple of feet into the property at the northwest corner of the site. Staff recommends that a street and utility easement be conveyed 'I to the City over the west five feet of the northerly 60 feet of the parcel. Utilities In conjunction with Market Square 1 st and 2nd Additions, sanitary sewer and water service has been stubbed to the property. Utility permits will be required from the City's Building Department in conjunction with extending utilities to the building. A comprehensive storm drainage management plan has been prepared with the initial Market Square submittal. Storm drainage from the site will be accommodated by existing storm sewer facilities on site. The storm water will be conveyed to the downtown storm water pond for treatment. This development is not subject to any SWMP fees. Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 8 Miscellaneous The landscape plan should be revised to show the sidewalk along the south side of the building out to the main drive aisle along the east side of the building and also show the steps and stairs location and relocate landscape plants accordingly. Park and Trail Dedication Full park and trail dedication fees shall be paid as part of this development at the rate in force at the time of building permit application. COMPLIANCE TABLE WITH PUD ORDINANCE As a PUD, most of the usual ordinance provisions pertaining to dimensional criteria are waived. Required Proposed Original Plan Building Setback 25' 25' Parking Setback N -10', S -0 N -10', S -0 E -10', W -10 E -0', W -10 Hard Surface Coverage N/A NA Parking Stalls 38 39 On February 21, 1996, the Planning Commission reviewed an application for a site plan review for an 8,321 square foot retail building to be located on Lots 2 and 3, Block 1, Market Square, located north of Subway, west of Market Square II (Edina Realty Building), and south of West 78th Street. The Planning Commission was pleased with the architectural design of the building, however, the materials used on the building and the retaining wall were of concern. It was recommended the applicant investigate materials in more detail. The applicant requested they be allowed to present their findings at the March 6, 1996 Planning Commission meeting. Staff was unable to comment on the materials since we had not seen them at Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 9 the time of writing the report to the Planning Commission. The applicant presented in detail the materials proposed to be used on the building and compared the proposed building to other buildings within the surrounding area. Attached is a letter from Vernelle Clayton describing the building, the materials, the design, and how the overall project fits in with the surrounding area. One of the main objectives the applicant wanted to achieve was visual identification with the main U shopping center building. Staff agrees that this element has been achieved through materials and design. The building shares many elements from the main shopping center such as the use of rock face block foundation, burgundy sconce lighting with tile medallions, green metal to cap the roof 'I line, stucco facade, and burgundy canvas awnings to match the shopping. The building is proposed to utilize shades of brown and tan. Some of the surrounding buildings utilize brown brick. The �I proposed materials will be able to tie the surrounding buildings with the Market Square shopping center through the color and materials used. The Planning Commission added conditions to those recommended by staff to control materials used on the retaining wall, trash enclosure, and the building. The second issue which the Planning Commission directed staff to investigate dealt with signs. Wall 'I mounted signs are shown on all four elevations of the building. Staff recommended that signage be located on a maximum of two elevations of the building to be constructed. This criteria has been applied to all free standing buildings within Market Square (Edina Realty and Wendy's). We do not believe an exception should be made in this case. There does not seem to be a hardship that would warrant a variance. The applicant stated that they wanted signage along the north elevation, facing 'I West 78th Street and along the south elevation, facing Market Square. What they perceive as a problem is the fact that the entrance into the hair salon is located to the west and they wish to identify the entrance with a wall mounted sign. The applicant could utilize a window sign to achieve their objective. Staff is recommending wall mounted signs be limited to two elevations. The Planning Commission unanimously approved this application with conditions. RECOMMENDATION 'I Site Plan Review "The City Council approves the Site Plan for Market Square III ( #95 -22 SPR) as shown on the site plan dated February 7, 1996, with the following conditions: 1. The applicant shall enter into a site plan agreement with the city and provide the necessary ' Pp p g ty p �' financial security to guarantee compliance with the conditions of approval. 2. The applicant must obtain a sign permit prior to erecting any signage on site. There is one existing monument sign on the site. The sign meets the following criteria: Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 10 � 6 a. The height of the monument sign shall not exceed 12'10" (the height of the existing Market Square sign). b. The sign shall contain no more than 41 square feet of sign area per face. C. The sign shall be constructed to reflect the architectural style of the Market Square shopping center. d. The owner of each monument sign shall be responsible for its construction, repair, maintenance and/or replacement. The applicant is showing wall mounted signs on four elevations. The plans must be amended to meet the following criteria: a. The letters and logos shall be restricted to 30 inches in height and must be lighted. b. All individual letters and logos comprising each sign shall have a minimum depth of five inches and shall be constructed with a translucent facing over neon tube illumination. C. The signage shall be located on a maximum of two elevations of the buildings to be constructed. Approval of the site plan is contingent upon the consolidation of Lots 2 and 3 into one lot. Fire Marshal conditions: a. A ten foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants. City Ordinance 9 -1. (Relocate the Skyline Locust a minimum of ten feet away from the fire hydrant.) Cross reference page SD -5 and SD -3. b. Comply with the following policies: 04 -1991 - Copy enclosed 34 -1993 - copy enclosed 07 -1991 - Copy enclosed 35 -1994 - copy enclosed 29 -1992 - Copy enclosed 36 -1994 - copy enclosed C. "No Parking Fire Lane" signs along with yellow painted curbing shall be provided on the entrance road east of the proposed building. Sign spacing must comply with Policy #06 -1991. Copy enclosed. Park and trail dedication fees shall be paid to the city pursuant to the city ordinances and City Council resolutions at the rate then in force upon building permit application. The applicant must provide staff with preservation plans for the eight (8) existing trees. The applicant may not leave existing oaks and spruce in place during grading if grading is t S " Market Square III q February 21, 1996 Page 11 to come within ten feet of the tree. All existing and new trees will be guaranteed for two years. 'I 7. The applicant shall provide access on the southwest corner of the building to Market Square mall sidewalk. 8. The applicant shall verify that 31 feather reed grass plants will be used for landscaping. 9. The width of the existing drive aisle along the south side of the development shall be increased to a minimum of 26 feet wide face -to -face. All driveway curb cat openings �I shall be a minimum of 26 feet wide face -to -face as well. 10. The applicant shall work with City staff in relocating the existing utility and traffic control boxes and the existing oak trees along West 78th Street. The plans shall be revised accordingly. The applicant shall dedicate to the City a utility easement for the traffic control box if it is located outside of the City's right -of -way or utility and drainage easements. 11. The steps along the southwest corner of the building shall be relocated approximately 30 ') feet to the east. 12. On the south parking lot, the westerly stall shall be eliminated or the length of the parking stalls lengthened by four feet. The applicant shall add a retaining wall or equivalent concrete wall between the southerly sidewalk and the southerly parking lot where the deviation is greater than one foot in height. 13. The applicant shall enter into an encroachment agreement with the City for the trash enclosure and l� landscaping materials 1 relocate located within t h e t 1'1 he City's drainage and utility 1 easement. The tras h encl ma y y ��. -�� -�- �-- __� a e /lrtheaste AmeF n E the par- V m rrrr v rr �a�... lei 15. The erosion control plan shall be revised to extend erosion control Type I fence along the south side of the construction limits. The plans shall incorporate the City's erosion control detail plate for Type I erosion control fence. 16. Construction access shall be limited to the interior driveways and not from West 78th Street or Kerber Boulevard. 17. The landscape plan shall be revised to show the proposed sidewalks and steps on the south side of the building and relocate plant materials accordingly. Market Square III February 21, 1996 Page 12 18. The applicant shall dedicate to the City a street and utility easement over the west five feet of the northerly 60 feet of the lot. 19. The applicant shall apply for and obtain the necessary utility permits for extension of utilities to the building from the City's Building Department. 20. All roof top equipment shall be screened. 21. The applicant shall investigate integrating capping materials into the rock face block proposed to be used for the retaining wall. 22. The materials used to build the trash enclosure shall be compatible with the proposed Market Square III building. 23. The materials used on the proposed building shall be identical to those shown at the March 6, 1996 Planning Commission meeting." hIItll'� woOT O16i- 1. Report by Dave Hempel, Assistant City Engineer, dated February 15, 1996. 2. Memo from Mark Littfin, Fire Marshal, dated November 29, 1995. 3. Project Narrative. 4. Planning Commission minutes dated February 21, 1996. 5. Letter from Vernelle Clayton dated March 6, 1996. 6. Planning Commission minutes dated March 6, 1996. 7. Plans dated revised February 7, 1996. CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Sharmin Al -Jaff, Planner II FROM: Dave Hempel, Assistant City Engineer DATE: February 15, 1996 SUBJ: Review of Site Plan for Market Square 3rd Addition Land Use Review File No. 96 -7 Upon review of the site plan prepared by Amcon dated February 6, comments and recommendations: ACCESS 1 1996, I offer the following I As you are aware, the Market Square Shopping Center parking and drive aisles in itself are somewhat congested. This parcel is the Iast lot left to be developed. The site will be accessed from interior driveways. The parcel is bordered by Kerber Boulevard on the west, West 78th Street on the north and an interior drive aisle on the east. The site will be accessed from the existing drive aisle directly north of Subway. There are modifications proposed to the north curb line of the existing drive aisle as a result of this development. Staff has reviewed the drive aisle width and finds that the existing drive aisle adjacent to Subway is 24 feet wide face -to -face and then narrows to 22 feet wide to the west of Subway before exiting onto Kerber Boulevard. The City has an opportunity with this site plan proposal to improve a poor traffic situation. Staff has reviewed the site improvements and determined that the existing drive aisle could be widened since the curb along the north side of the drive aisle is going to be removed and replaced with the development anyway. It is desirable to maintain at least a 24 -foot wide, preferably a 26 -foot wide, drive aisle north and west of Subway out to Kerber Boulevard. This will add a degree of safety and comfort when making the very sharp,eurve behind Subway out to Kerber Boulevard. Staff has also explored the option to try and reduce the curvilinear drive aisle out to Kerber Boulevard; however, due to grade differences along with the need to provide stacking distance at the stop lights on Kerber Boulevard and West 78th Street, it was not feasible. It is very important to maintain adequate stacking distance on Kerber Boulevard to maintain vehicles turning into the site from Kerber Boulevard. Staff believes, given the situation, by increasing the r ' Sharmin Al -Jaff Market Square 3rd Addition SPR ' February 15, 1996 Page 2 existing rive aisle from 24 feet wide to 26 feet wide along and behind Subway will greatly g g Y g Y ' improve traffic flow in this area. Therefore, staff is recommending that the existing drive aisle be widened to a uniform width of 26 feet face -to -face. ' The proposed curb cuts into the site were shown at 24 feet wide yet the drive aisles in the interior parking lot is shown at 26 feet wide. Staff believes there should be a uniform width of 26 feet and it appears there is sufficient room to accommodate this recommendation without loss of parking stalls. Staff has also reviewed the grade difference on this site. There is approximately a 9 -foot drop from the northwest corner of the site down to the existing drive aisle behind Subway. The plans propose a fairly steep drive aisle /parking lot slope in this area approximately 5 %. When an individual opens their car door on this steep of a side slope, it may be difficult for the car door to remain open without slamming back into the individual. Staff recommends that the parking lot grade be revised to a maximum of 3.5% cross slope. This will result in extending and ' increasing the height of the retaining wall along West 78th Street (along the north edge of the parking lot). Grading for the parking lot will also impact the existing utility and traffic control box located in the northwest corner of the site. The plans indicate that these will be relocated; ' however, do not indicate to where and by whom. It should also be noted that the traffic control box has very limited abilities to be relocated. It is necessary to monitor the semaphores at the intersection while working on this traffic control box. Therefore, staff will have to work with the applicant in arriving at an acceptable location. It may be possible by extending the retaining wall to minimize or not even affect the traffic control box. The applicant should explore this possibility. The site grading will also impact the existing oak trees planted along West 78th Street. It is assumed that these oak trees may be temporarily transplanted and then planted back just south of the sidewalk along West 78th Street. The plans also propose a stairway from the ' southwest corner of the building out into about the middle of the Subway building. Staff believes that this is an inappropriate location for the steps to access and should be relocated to the east approximately 30 feet to be more conducive to pedestrian traffic. In the south parking lot area the very westerly stall is only 12 feet long. This will create a situation with a vehicle will actually extend out into the drive aisle by three to four feet. A way ' to resolve this would be to extend the parking lot stall which results in a reduction of the sidewalk width in front of the building which is currently approximately 9 feet wide. Another problem exists in this area with the grade difference between the westerly parking stalls and proposed sidewalk. The proposed sidewalk elevation is at 968. The proposed parking lot elevation is at 966. This results into a two -foot deviation. It is unclear whether a retaining wall ' is anticipated and, if so, whether there is any fencing or a rail in this area. In addition, the parking lot grade on westerly end of the south parking area is very steep, approximately 6 %. A way to resolve this would be to lower the parking lot grade at the north end parking stalls to achieve a maximum of 3.5 %. This would only increase the retaining wall height adjacent to the Sharmin Al -Jaff Market Square 3rd Addition SPR February 15 1996 Page 3 sidewalk area. A handicapped stall should also be added on the very easterly end of the southerly parking area. At this point the grades are very flat and conducive to a handicap access point. The plans propose a trash enclosure on the very southwest corner of the westerly parking lot. This trash enclosure location is situated on top of the City's drainage and utility easement. The City has a 10 -inch water line running directly underneath the proposed trash enclosure. The applicant will be required to enter into an encroachment agreement for the trash enclosure and landscaping materials within the City's utility easement. During construction it is often the case that the contractors drive from every street access point into the site. Given the high volumes of traffic and the sidewalk and landscaping improvements along West 78th Street and Kerber Boulevard, staff recommends that construction. access be limited to the interior drive aisles and not from Kerber Boulevard or West 78th Street. II EROSION CONTROL The plans propose erosion control fence in areas along the south side of the development. Staff believes that once the parking lot improvements have been done there is still a need to encompass the east, south and west side of the development with erosion control fence to prevent erosion and also deter contractors from driving where they are not supposed to. The plans should be revised to show the City's standard detail for erosion control measures (Type I). The plans do propose rock construction entrances at the proposed driveway entrances in accordance with City standards. According to the plans, Kerber Boulevard actually extends a couple of feet into the property at 'I the northwest corner of the site. Staff recommends that a street and utility easement be conveyed to the City over the west five feet of the northerly 60 feet of the parcel. 'I UTILITIES conjunction with Market Square I st and 2nd Additions sanitary II In conJu q 9 r3' sewer and water service has been stubbed to the property. Utility permits will be required from the City's Building Department in conjunction with extending utilities to the building. A comprehensive storm drainage management plan has been prepared with the initial Market Square submittal, Storm drainage from the site will be accommodated by existing storm sewer facilities on site. The storm water will be conveyed to the downtown storm water pond for treatment. This development is not subject to any SWMP fees. '� r C Sharmin Al -Jaff Market Square 3rd Addition SPR February 15, 1996 Page 4 MISCELLANEOUS The landscape plan should be revised to show the sidewalk along the south side of the building out to the main drive aisle along the east side of the building and also show the steps and stairs location and relocate landscape plants accordingly. RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL 1. The width of the existing drive aisle along the south side of the development shall be increased to a minimum of 26 feet wide face -to -face. All driveway curb cut openings shall be a minimum of 26 feet wide face -to -face as well. 2. The applicant shall work with City staff in relocating the existing utility and traffic control boxes and the existing oak trees along West 78th Street. The plans shall be revised accordingly. The applicant shall dedicate to the City a utility easement for the traffic control box if it is located outside of the City's right -of -way or utility and drainage easements. 3. The steps along the southwest corner of the building shall be relocated approximately 30 feet to the east. 4. The applicant shall lower the parking lot grade to a maximum of 3.5% cross slope on both the westerly and southerly parking lots. On the south parking lot, the westerly stall shall be eliminated or the length of the parking stalls lengthened by four feet. The applicant shall add a retaining wall between the southerly sidewalk and the southerly parking lot where the deviation is greater than one foot in height. 6. The applicant shall enter into an encroachment agreement with the City for the trash enclosure and landscaping materials located within the City's drainage and utility easement. 7. The erosion control plan shall be revised to extend erosion control Type I fence along the south side of the construction limits. The plans shall incorporate the City's erosion control detail plate for Type I erosion control fence. Sharmin Al -Jaff Market Square 3rd Addition SPR February 15, 1996 Page 5 8. Construction access shall be limited to the interior driveways and not from West 78th Street or Kerber Boulevard. 9. The landscape plan shall be revised to show the proposed sidewalks and steps on the south side of the building and relocate plant materials accordingly. 10. The applicant shall dedicate to the City a street and utility easement over the west five feet of the northerly 60 feet of the lot. 11. The applicant shall apply for and obtain the necessary utility permits for extension of utilities to the building from the City's Building Department. ktm c: Charles Folch, Director of Public Works gAeng \dave \pc \market3. spr L e i MEMORANDUM CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 TO: Sharmin Al -Jaff, Planner II FROM: Mark Littfin, Fire Marshal DATE: November 29, 1995 SUBJ: Market Square - Amcon Planning Case #95 -22 Site Plan Review ' I have reviewed the site plan for the above project. In order to comply with the Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division, I have the following fire code or city ordinance /policy requirements. The site plan review is based on the available information submitted at this time. As additional plans or changes are submitted, the appropriate code or policy items will be addressed. 1. A ten foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants. City Ordinance 9 -1. (Relocate the Skyline Locust a minimum of ten feet away from the fire hydrant.) Cross reference page SD -5 and SD -3. 2. Comply with the following policies: ' 04 -1991- copy enclosed 34 -1993 - copy enclosed 07 -1991 - copy enclosed 35 -1994 - copy enclosed 29 -1992 - copy enclosed 36 -1994 - copy enclosed ' 3. "No Parking Fire Lane" signs along with yellow painted curbing shall be provided on the entrance road east of the proposed building. Sign spacing must comply with Policy #06- 1991. Copy enclosed ML:cd 11 CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 (612) 9371900 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION APPLICANT: Realty Services, Inc. OWNER:Market Square Associates " Limited Partnership ADDRESS: P • O. Box 235 ADDRESS: Same �I Chanhassen, MN 55317 TELEPHONE (Daytime) 934 -4538 TELEPHONE: 1. Comprehensive Plan Amendment 11. Vacation of ROW /Easements 2. Conditional Use Permit 12. Variance 3. Interim Use Permit 13. Wetland Alteration Permit 4. Non - conforming Use Permit 14. Zoning Appeal 5. Planned Unit Development 15. Zoning Ordinance Amendment 6. Rezoning 7. Sign Permits 8 . .x Sign Plan Review NotifIcation Signs 9. __ Site Plan Review 330 X Escrow for Filing Fees/Attomey Cost" $100 CUP /SPRNACNAFI/WAP $400 Minor SUB /Metes & Bounds 10. x Subdivision - Administrative 1co Consolidation TOTAL FEE $ 430.00 A list of all property owners within 500 feet of the boundaries of the property must Included with the application. Twenty -six full size folded copies of the plans must be submitted. 8'h" X 11" Reduced copy of transparency for each plan sheet. NOTE - When multiple applications are processed, the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application. " Escrow will be required for other applications through the development contract * NOTE - When multiple applications are processed, the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application. PROJECT NAME Mark Sauare III LOCATION SE Ouadrant - W. 78th St. & Mandan Dri LEGAL DESCRIPTION Lots 2 and 3, Market Square, Chanhasse MN PRESENT ZONING PUD REQUESTED ZONING N/A PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION Commercial /Retail REQUESTED LAND USE DESIGNATION N/A REASON FOR THIS REQUEST This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, you should confer with the Planning Department to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to your application. This is to certify that I am making application for the described action by the City and that I am responsible for-complying with all City requirements with regard to this request. This application should be processed in my name and I am the party whom the City should contact regarding any matter pertaining to this application. I have attached a copy of proof of ownership (either copy of Owner's Duplicate Certificate of Title, Abstract of Title or purchase agreement), or I am the authorized person to make this application and the fee owner has also signed this application. I will keep myself informed of the deadlines for submission of material and the progress of this application. I further understand that additional fees may be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an estimate prior to any authorization to proceed with the study. The documents and information I have submitted are true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I also understand that after the approval or granting of the permit, such permits shall be Invalid unless they are recorded against the title to the property for which the approval/permit is granted within 120 days with the Carver County Recorder's Off ice and the original docum nt returned to qty Hall Records. Signature o Appkant Date Signature of Fee Owner Date Application Received on ) - J- y� Fee Paid r G Receipt No. 5� 5 * The applicant should contact staff for a copy of the staff report which will be available on Friday prior to the meeting. If not contacted, a copy of the report will be malted to the applicant's address. B.C. Burdick 426 Lake Street. Excelsior, MN 55331 Chanhassen HRA 690 Coulter Drive, Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Dr., PO. 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Market Square Associates II, LLC 470 West 78th Street Chanhassen, MN 55317 Mithun Enterprises, Inc. 900 Wayzata Blvd. E. Wayzata, MN 55391 Excelsior, MN 55331 State Bank of Chanhassen 680 W. 78th Street Chanhassen, MN 55317 Richard W. Steiner, Jr. P.O. Box 1717 Whitefish, MT 59937 Twin Cities Western Railroad 2995 12th Street East Glencoe, MN 55336 Wendy's International, Inc. 40 Shuman Blvd., Suite 130 Naperville, IL 60563 Dan and Steve Dahlin 296 N. Pascal St. Paul, MN 55075 C.H. Suites of Chanhassen c/o National Lodging Companies, Inc. 9855 W. 78th Street Eden Prairie, MN 55344 T. F. James Company 6440 Shady Oak Road, Ste. 500 Eden Prairie, MN 55344 Paul D. Steiner Steiner & Koppelman, Inc. 360 S. Highway 101 Deephaven, MN 55391 Douglas M. Hansen 17001 Stodola Road Minnetonka, MN 55345 Richfield Bank & Trust Co. 6625 Lyndale Ave. S. Richfield, MN Target Stores 33 South 6th Street Minneapolis, MN ' NOTICE OF PUBLIC ' HEARING PLANNING COMMISSION ' MEETING JANUARY 17, 1996 Wednesday, at 7:00 p.m. ' City Hall Council Chambers 690 Coulter Drive ' Project: Retail Shops Market Square 3 Partners Developer: Amcon Corporation J Location: Lots 2 and 3, Block 1, Market Square Notice: You are invited to attend a public hearing about a development proposed in your area. The applicant is requesting site plan approval of a retail building of 8,321 sq. ft. and a parking lot setback variance on property zoned PUD, and located on Lots 2 and 3, Block 1, Market Square, Market Square 3 Partners, Inc. /Amcon Corporation. What Happens at the Meeting: The purpose of this public hearing is to inform you about the developer's request and to obtain input from the neighborhood about this project. During the meeting, the Commission Chair will lead the public hearing through the following steps: 1. Staff will give an over view of the proposed project. 2. The Developer will present plans on the project. 3. Comments are received from the public. 4. Public hearing is closed and the Commission discusses project. The Commission will then make a recommendation to the City Council. Questions or Comments: If you want to see the plans before the meeting, please stop by City ' Hall during office hours, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you wish to talk to someone about this project, please contact Sharmin at 937 -1900, ext. 120. If you choose to submit written comments, it is helpful to have one copy to the department in advance of the meeting. Staff will provide copies to the Commission. Notice of this public hearing has been published in the Chanhassen Villager on January 11, 1996. 1 MITHUN ENTERPRISES 900 E WAYZATA BLVD WAYZATA MN 55391 B C BURDICK 684 EXCELSIOR BLVD. EXCELSIOR MN 55331 DOUGLAS M HANSEN 11969 NO. SHORE DRIVE SPICER, MN 56288 Richard Steiner, Jr. P. O. Box 1717 Whitefish, MT 59937 Market Square Assoc. II, LLC 470 West 78th Street Chanhassen, MN 55317 CHANHASSEN BANK 680 W 78TH STREET CHANHASSEN MN 55317 Richfield Bank & Trust Co. 6625 Lyndale Ave. S. Richfield, MN 55423 Wendy's International, Inc. 40 Shuman Blvd., Suite 130 Naperville, IL 60563 DAN AND STEVE DAHLIN 296 N. Pascal St. Paul, IVIN 55075 Target Stores 33 South 6th Street Minneapolis, MN 55402 Paul D. Steiner Steiner & Koppelmann, Inc. 360 S. Hwy. 101 Deephaven, MN 55391 CLEMENT SPRINGER PRES T.F. JAMES COMPANY WEISS ASSEST MANAGEMENT 6640 Shady Oak Road, Suite 500 #350, 1550 EAST 79TH STREET Eden Prairie, MN 55344 BLOOMINGTON, MN 55317 MR FPAN PAGERSTROM SUBWAY 7093 BOYD AVE EDEN PRAIRIE MN 55346 MR JIM HOLM CENTER DRUG 913 HOPKINS CTR HOPKINS MN 55343 MR KENT LUDFORD MERLINS HARDWARE 551 WEST 78TH ST CHANHASSEN MN 55317 MS SHIRLEY OLSON SOMEONES HOUSE 7882 MARKET BLVD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 Guy Peterson c/o Guy's Grill 7874 Market Boulevard Chanhassen, MN 55317 C.H. Suites of Chanhassen c/o National Lodging Companies 9855 W. 78th Street Eden Prairie, MN 55344 Twin Cities Western Railroad 2995 12th Street East Glencoe, MN` 55336 MR RICH LARSON MGM 7856 MARKET BLVD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 MR BOB KING FESTIVAL FOODS 7900 MARKET BLVD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 Frank Stocco Frank's Pizza 7850 Market Boulevard Chanhassen, MN 55317 1� CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY I CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT NOTES TO BE INCLUDED ON ALL SITE PLANS Fi r n 1. Fire Marshal must witness the flushing of underground sprinkler service line, per NFPA 13- 8 -2.1. 2. A final inspection by the Fire Marshal before a Certificate of Occupancy is issued. 3. Fire Department access roads shall be provided on site during all phases of construction. The construction of these temporary roads will conform with the Chanhassen Fire Department requirements for temporary access roads at construction sites. Details are available. 4. Onsite fire hydrants shall be provided and in operating condition during all phases of construction. 5. The use of liquefied petroleum gas shall be in conformance with NFPA Standard 58 and the Minnesota Uniform Fire Code. A list of these requirements is available. (See policy #33 -1993) 6. All fire detection and fire suppression systems shall be monitored by an approved UL central station with a UL 71 Certificate issued on these systems before final occupancy is issued. 7. An 11 " x 14" As Built shall be provided to the Fire Department. The As Built shall be reproducible and acceptable to the Fire Marshal. (See policy #07- 1991). 8. An approved lock box shall be provided on the building for fire department use. The lock box should be located by the Fire Department connection or as located by the Fire Marshal. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #04 -1991 Date: 11/22/91 Revised: 12/23/94 Page 1 of 2 F_� 9. High -piled combustible storage shall comply with the requiremen of Article #81 of the Minnesota Uniform Fire Code High -piled combustible storage is combustible materials on closely packed piles more than 15' in height or combustible materials on pallets or in racks more than 12' in height. For certain special- hazard commodities such as rubber tires, plastics, some flammable liquids, idle pallets, etc. the critical pile height may be as low as 6 feet. 10. Fire lane signage shall be provided as required by the Fire Marshal. (See policy a #06- 1991), 11. Smoke detectors installed in lieu of 1 hour rated corridors under UBC section 3305G, Exception #5 shall comply with Chanhassen Fire Department requirements for installation and system type. (See policy #05- 1991). 12. Maximum allowed size of domestic water service on a combination domestic /fire II sprinkler supply line policy must be followed. (See policy #36- 1994). Approved - Public Safety Director Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #04 -1991 'I Date: 11/22/91 Revised: 12/23/94 Page 2 of 2 'I fl G r 1. Signs to be a minimum of 12" x 18 ". 2. Red on white is preferred. 3. 3M or equal engineer's grade reflective sheeting on aluminum is preferred. 4. Wording shall be: NO PARKING FIRE LANE 5. Signs shall be posted at each end of the fire lane and at least at 75 foot intervals along the fire lane. 6 All signs shall be double sided facing the direction of travel. 7. Post shall be set back a minimum of 12" but not more than 36" from the curb. 8. A fire lane shall be required in GRADE front of fire dept. connections extending 5 feet on each side and along all areas designated by the Fire Chief. C 0s VI I4: PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE LANE SIGNAGE (NOT TO SCALE) ANY DEVIATION FROM THE ABOVE PROCEDURES SHALL BE SUBMITTED IN ' WRITING, WITH A SITE PLAN, FOR APPROVAL BY THE 'FIRE CHIEF. IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE CONTINUITY ' THROUGHOUT THE CITY FIRE LANES. BY PROVIDING THESE PROCEDURES FOR MARKING OF Chanhassen Fire Department ' Fire Prevention Policy #06 -1991 Date: 1/15/91 - ' Approved - Public Safety Revised: Director Page 1 of 1 C 0s VI I4: PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE LANE SIGNAGE (NOT TO SCALE) CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937-5 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY REGARDING PRE -PLAN Prior to issuing the C.O., a pre -plan, site plan shall be submitted to the Fire Department for approval. The following items shall be shown on the plan. 1) Size 11" x 17" (maximum) 2) Building footprint and building dimensions 3) Fire lanes and width of fire lanes 4) Water mains and their sizes, indicate looped or dead end 5) Fire hydrant locations 6) P.I.V. - Fire Department connection 7) Gas meter (shut -off), NSP (shut off) 8) Lock box location 9) Fire walls, if applicable 10) Roof vents, if applicable 11) Interior walls 12) Exterior doors 13) Location of fire alarm panel 14) Sprinkler riser location 15) Exterior L.P. storage, if applicable 16) Haz. Mat. storage, if applicable 17) Underground storage tanks locations, if applicable 18) Type of construction walls /roof 19) Standpipes PLEASE NOTE: Plans with topographical information, contour lines, easement lines, property lines, setbacks, right -of -way lines, headings, and other related lines or markings, are not acceptable, and will be rejected. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #07 -1991 \ Date: 01/16/91 E Revised: 02/18/94 Approved - Public Safety Director Page 1 of 1 I General CITY OF 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY PREMISES IDENTIFICATION Numbers or addresses shall be placed on all new and existing buildings in such a position as to be plainly visible and legible from the street or road fronting the property. Said numbers shall contrast with their background. Size and location of numbers shall be approved by one of the following - Public Safety Director, Building Official, Building Inspector, Fire Marshal. Requirements are for new construction and existing buildings where ' no address numbers are posted. Other Requlremerrts - General Numbers shall be a contrasting color from the background. 2. Numbers shall not be In script - ' 3. If a structure Is not visible from the street, addltlonal numbers are required at the driveway entrance. Size and location must be approved. 4. Numbers on mail box at driveway entrance may be a minimum of 4 ". However, requirement #3 must still ' be met 5. Administrative authority may require additional numbers If deemed necessary. ' Residential Requirements (2 or less dweMnq unto 1. Minimum height shall be 5 1/4 ". ' 2. Building permits will not be flnaled unless numbers are posted and approved by the Building Department Commercial Requlrements 1. Minimum height shall:be 12 ". 2. Strip Malls a. Multi tenant building will have minimum height requirements of 6 ". t b. Address numbers shall be on the main entrance and on all back doors. 3. If address numbers are located on a directory entry sign, additional numbers will be required on the buildings main entrance. Approved - Public Saf-2ty Director a 0 Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #29 -1992 Date: 06 /15/92 Revised: Page 1 of.l «r PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER CITY OF: CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 WATER SERVICE INSTALLATION POLICY FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS 1) The Inspections Division shall be responsible for issuance of permits. No permit shall be issued until approval of plans have been obtained from the following: a) Engineering Department b) Fire Marshal c) Minnesota Department of Health d) Plumbing Inspector 2) Plumbing inspectors will do all installation inspections and witness the hydrostatic and conductivity tests. Inspection and Test Requirements a) All pipe shall be inspected before being covered. Phone 937 -1900, ext. 3, to schedule inspections. A 24 hour notice required. b) Conductivity test is required. The pipe shall be subjected to a minimum 350 amp test for a period of not less than 5 minutes. c) Hydrostatic test required. All pipe shall be subjected to a hydrostatic pressure of 150 psi for 2 hours. Allowable pressure drop shall not exceed 1 PSI. 3) Upon approval of the hydro test, the plumbing inspector shall submit a copy of the inspection report to the utility superintendent. The inspection report shall note whether the system is ready for main flush and drawing of water sample for the bug test. Inspections Division Water Service Installation Policy #34 -1993 Date: 04 /15/93 Revised: Page 1 of 2 is V a l 0 PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER Fj J I I CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY COOKING EQUIPMENT EXHAUST HOOD REQUIREMENTS 1. FIRE PROTECTION A. Where Required: 1) On commercial cooking equipment, when grease -laden vapors are produced. 2) If any cooking device under an exhaust hood produces grease -laden vapors, then the entire hood must be protected. B. Type of Protection: 1) When building is fully sprinklered, the hood system must be a sprinklered system. 2) In non-sprinklered buildings, any U.L. listed system is acceptable. C. When extinguishing agent is released, hood exhaust must: 1) be shut down; gas to cooking equipment must be shut down; and electricity to grease producing heating appliances must be shut down. 2) Gas and electricity: must be manually reset after automatic shutdown. Approved - Public Safety Director Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #35 -1994 Date: 06/07/94 Revised: Page 1 of 1 CITY OF:: CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY Ii MAXIMUM ALLOWED SIZE OF DOMESTIC WATER SERVILE ON A COMBINATION DOMESTIC /FIRE SPRINKLER SUPPLY LINE 1. Domestic water line shall not be greater than 1/4 pipe size of the combination service water supply line. 2. 1 1/2" domestic off 6" line. 3. 2" domestic off 8" line. �I 4. 2 1/2 domestic off 10" line. Option l: Domestic sizes may be increased if it can be calculated hydraulically that the demand by all domestic fixtures will not drop the fire sprinkler water below its minimum gallonage required. Option 2: Combination domestic and five line service shall have an electric solenoid valve installed on the domestic side of the service. This valve shall be normally ,I powered open and close on loss of electric power or signal from the system water flow indicator. Must be approved by the Chanhassen Fire Marshal and Chanhassen Mechanical Inspector.' Chanhassen Fire Department �I Water Line Sizing Policy #36 -1994 Date: 06/10/94 Revised: Approved - Public Safety Director Page 1 of 1 I MARKET SQUARE III ' Market Square III is the last part of the Market Square complex. The site is located just north of the Subway, in the Southeast quadrant of West 78th Street and Kerber Boulevard. The site consists of two platted lots described as Lots 2 and 3, Market Square. The project will be located on both and it is therefore proposed that these lots be replatted as one consolidated lot. The improvements will consist of an 8321 retail building, parking lot and landscaping. The property will be owned by Market Square Associates Limited Partnership, the same ' partnership which owns Market Square I (the Festival anchored center), the applicant /developer is Lotus Realty and the General Contractor is Amcon Corporation. Over two - thirds of the building has been leased to Stylists Choice, Inc., a Redmond Products company, who will operate a ' prototype upscale hair salon and hair products business under a name to be selected. The building has been designed to give the appearance of one continuous shopping center ' from Festival to West 78th Street, which is important for the shopping center. The streetscape along West 78th street will also benefit from this design. There are two distinctive buildings on either side of the proposed building, Market Square II and the Richfield Bank, and while this will be a freestanding building, designing it almost as a part of Market Square I avoids the choppiness often created along streets with several small buildings each with a unique design. ' While the design of the building is similar to Market Square and will use the same materials, colors and awnings, it has been updated through the use of curved midsections and a more articulated window design. The parapets have been altered accordingly. These parapets ' have also been designed to hide the rooftop IIVAC equipment from every viewpoint Windows have been provided at all four elevations and public access has been provided at both the west and ' southern elevations. An emergency exit has been provided at the north elevation and to accommodate that exit a sunken walkway has been provided. Because of the grade at that elevation, a retaining wall has also been incorporated along the north elevation. There are 39 parking stalls located entirely on the site, 2 additional stalls located almost entierely on the site and parts of 5 stalls located partly on this site and partly on the adjacent ' Market Square I site. If 4 of these are attributed to this site, the total number of stalls on the subject site is 43. The standard established when the shopping center PUD was approved was 4.5 stalls per 1,000 square feet. To meet this requirement, 38 stalls are required. If the standard code ' requirement were used, 42 stalls would be required. There are existing sign covenants of record for this site. These covenants provide for ' signage on two elevations with letters of no more than 30 inches in height. In order to provide better proportion with the mass of the center walls of the building, the architect recommends an amendment to the covenants to allow a four foot sign band at these higher midsections. Within this band single letters shall not to exceed 36 inches, or, if a creative logo or stacked letters (such II as depicted on the elevation drawings submitted) are used, the total sign height shall not exceed 48 inches. A 30 inch band has been provided at the lower sections to both the left and the right of U the midsections. On request of Redmond Products, we are requesting an amendment to allow signage on 'I the north, the west and the south elevations. The north elevation will be important: to the other tenant as well. The south elevation is important because it faces the main area of the shopping center and the west elevation is important because the Redmond entrance faces west and their 'I customers will be parking to the west of the building. There is precedence for signs on three sides at Subway. No monument signs are permitted according to the sign covenants and none is requested. The existing Market Square I monument sign located on the site will remain. a As stated above, the rooftop HVAC units will be shielded by the parapets and a trash enclosure constructed of identical materials to those already in place at Market Square I to the south is proposed at the southwest corner of the site. Sidewalk connections have been provided off West 78th Street at the northwest corner of a the building, to Market Square I, at the southwest corner of the building and to Market Square II at the southeast corner of the building. In addition wide sidewalks have been provided at both the south and west elevations to allow outdoor seating for sipping refreshments from the juice bar Redmond plans for its customers or for enjoying products which may be sold in the adjacent space. This project will bring new services and retail products to Chanhassen and to Market Square. The building will very attractively complete the commercial infilling of West 78th Street �I from Great Plains Blvd. to the one remaining parcel along Powers Boulevard. We are planning for spring and early summer construction. C 7 u SIGN PLAN MARKET SQUARE III Exterior Signaee: A. As to the si bands A See attached elevation. the letters and � ( ) l shall be restricted to 30 g ' inches in height and must be lighted. If stacked words, the sign height shall be no higher than 30 inches. B. As to signbands B (See attached elevation) single letters shall be restricted to 36 inches. If stacked words or logos, the sign height shall be no greater than 48 inches. ' C. The signage shall be located on a maximum of three elevations of the building, the west front, the south front and the north. D. Tenant signage shall consist of store identification only. Copy is restricted to the Tenant's proper name and major product or service offered. Corporate logos, emblems, shields and similar identifying devices are permitted provided they are confined within the signage band and ' approved by Landlord. E. All signage must be located within the building designated sign band and must be centered on the horizontal center of the sign band. Tenants may locate their specific area by referring to the Architect's elevation plan. ' F. All exterior Tenant signs must meet construction specifications supplied by Landlord. G. Tenant shall submit all sign plans and specifications, including auxiliary signage, such as that used for grand openings, to the owner and to the City of Chanhassen for approval. I H. Upon removal Tenant shall restore any damaged building face. ' Temporary Signage: Temporary signage shall be permitted in conformance with the City Code. Landlord and City approval and City permits are required for all temporary signage. ' Prohibited Signage: There shall be no signs advertising goods, services or businesses which have not contained within ' the building. Search lights, inflatable sings, banners, pennants and other devices that extend over parking lots or rights of way are prohibited signage. Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 1 17. The final grading plan shall maintain the existing drainage pattern from :Eden Prairie, 'I south of DataServ. 18. If exporting of earthwork materials is necessary, a haul route and traffic control plan shall be submitted to the city for review and approval. 19. Approval of this subdivision is contingent upon the recording of the final plat for Chanhassen East Business Center with Hennepin County prior to final plat approval of Chanhassen Pointe Business Centre. All voted in favor and the motion caiiied unanimously. Mancino: May I have a motion on the vacation please. I Aanenson: Madam Chair. Only the Council acts on the vacation. We just put that in for your edification but formally you don't make a recommendation on that. Mancino: Okay. Thank you very much. When does this go in front of the City Council? Al -Jaff: March 11th. a Mancino: March 11th. Thank you. �I PUBLIC HEARING: 11 CONSIDER SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A RETAIL BUILDING OF 8,321. ;3Q. FT. AND A PARKING LOT SETBACK VARIANCE ON PROPERTY ZONED PUD, AND �I LOCATED ON LOTS 2 AND 3, BLOCK 1, MARKET SQUARE, MARKET S QUARE 3 PARTNERS, INC., AMCON CORPORATION. Sharmin Al -Jaff presented the staff report on this item. Mancino: Any questions of staff at this point? Would the applicant like to present at this a time? Vernelle Clayton: My name's Vernelle Clayton. I live at 422 Santa Fe Circle here in Chanhassen. This project will be developed by the same owners and owned by the same folks that own Market Square I. They're also essentially the same ... own Markel Square H. These will be the exact same folks and will be re- acquiring the Lots 2 and 3 from the HRA... hopefully as soon as possible... We refer to Lots 2 and 3 and we have assumed for some time 55 1 I Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 that these two lots would be combined as one and so there will be one property of one lot and as the staff report indicates, there will be... I will be relatively brief once again in my presentation due to the hour and just tell you that a couple of things. We have designed the building very deliberately to be, not only compatible with Market Square I and the terms of the PUD. The covenants in the PUD state but to be ... similar to Market Square I. We missed an opportunity to some extent with Market Square II. We have a nice building on main street. We don't really have something that fits really terribly well with Market Square. We ' missed an opportunity... but we want the opportunity to bring Market Square I up to West 78th Street... anywhere looking at Market Square, it's going to look like one large building. That will be to the benefit of those folks that work and make their livelihood in both buildings. ' You have... We also think that it will be the benefit of the ... West 78th Street. We already have in that immediate area two quite small, uniquely designed brick buildings. We think by making this ... one larger building we will, not only make the streetscape more interesting but it ' will avoid kind of the business that you get on the building here ... appear kind of cluttered architecturally. Therefore we are very pleased with the design of the building we've come up with. At the same time I think he was able to articulate a bit of upscale elements which will ' be important to our tenants. I think very important to one of the tenant's representatives is here tonight. Dale Almquist sitting in the first row here is with Redmond Products and they are the folks who will be the lead tenant in that building. They'll be doing a salon of-and they're quick to tell me, well no, not really. Our's is going to be more of.. They have bought into the entertainment shopping center experience by way of-coffee bar and even a shampoo bar where they'll mix some of their client's shampoos and so forth on the site. At this point then I guess give the time ... and then I'll be back to talk a little bit more. ' Mancino: Thank you. Bill Brisley: As Vernelle mentioned. I Mancino: Would you please state your name and address. Bill Brisley: I'm sorry. My name's Bill Brisley. I'm an architect with Amcon Construction Company and ... Market Square Partners. As Vernelle told you, we're upscaling this building a little bit with some curves and some up's and down's along the roof edge but really it is just ' an extension of.. Exact same materials with the same base and the same stucco... exactly what we're going to do ... Redmond and some of the others had ideas... turning the canopies downward... above the larger windows. You can see the repeat there. They're about 2 feet by ' 2 feet. That gives it a little more quality look than what is done at Market Square I, which was just plain... So little things like that I think are what we mean by upscaling it slightly. But the other ... very, very similar to the center. The materials themselves, as I said, they are Fi 56 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 1 the same as the center. The gray rock face block for a base. Would you like me to pass II these up there? Mancino: I don't need to. Does anyone want it right here? I think we're fine, thank you. Bill Brisley: Okay. Green metal will match something ike this. Kind of a ;it's called a g , now I've forgotten. Kind of a teal or, it's not even a teal. It's a darker green than that ... dark green and we will match these... Canvas burgundy. Burgundy canvas canopy with silvery steel standards to hold them. All the windows are the same steel ... clean anodized window material. The majority of the building is stucco. Again we'll match the original building—that does show, as does on Market Square I there are medallions and light fixtures that are on every single pier and they will be identical to what's down there, except for a possible upgrade from a tenant to a more design tile to fit into those medallion areas but that would be from any distance, it would be the same colors... Screening of the mechanical units is like Sharmin told you. It's all handled with the parapets. The minimum point above the roof where the maximum depth of the mechanical piece of equipment would be in this ... and then it grows from that and the roof goes down. So like it's goes up almost 8 feet with no screen so the majority of them are in the 5 foot area. So they're, and that's taking it right directly from, looking at straight at the building ... so really from the sidewalk it would seem higher than that... The entries are... The main entry would be here. Coming in off of this parking lot for... II that's the salon. And really the only two sidewalk areas are, this would be the main one for the largest tenant and they are like ... and then we're looking at another coffee shop—that would " go here and there is a little space for a small tables on the sidewalk. That also would happen down here. We have a stairway that comes down. This side is very, very steep ... I have a stairway here coming down from West 78th and then it's really quite a drop. ,About 5 feet so in fact where the video is sitting right now, you could see what that retaining wall would be like because the building has to be set down into... Mancino: Bill, what's the material for the retaining wall? Bill Brisley: Concrete. Same as the sidewalk and any of that material Mancino: Just plain concrete. Bill Brisley: Yeah, that would be my choice... Coming down from 78th, there's a stairway there and that's what's happening right here. It turns in behind... and then along this side is a ... this would be the front of the other tenant. Then there's a stairway that, because of staffs 'I comments, can be moved down directly, it's going to come down off this sidewalk and go directly over in front of Subway and then of course we're taking... We started absolutely flat sidewalk here but the time we get down here, it's 2 feet over the drop so it's a very, very " 57 1 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 difficult site... Trash at this point is down here. Right where we're coming around the corner to Kerber. The reason it's at this angle is to get a nice long straight shot. I think we're probably going to be widening that a little bit. Our current trash... suggest we bring it up to the building... Mancino: Any questions at this time? Bill Brisley: I could at this point... Mancino: and where would the signage go? Bill Brisley: Signage is on, basically over the canopies. Wherever there's a canopy, there's a sign... Mancino: And Bill a question about recessing. What's the amount of recess? Bill Brisley: In the wall ... ?Each one of those center sections. So on either side of the high section... Mancino: Any questions from commissioners? Mehl: Yeah I've got one. How tall is that retaining wall on the north end of the parking lot? Bill Brisley: It's about 5, the parking lot part? Mehl: Well from the parking lot surface up to the top of the retaining wall. Bill Brisley: About 3 1/2 feet. The one behind the building. Mancino: There are two retaining walls. Mehl: Okay. You say there were two retaining walls? Mancino: Yeah, aren't there two different ones? There's one on 78th. Bill Brisley: There's one along the back of the building ... and then there's one in the parking lot... Mehl: Right. How tall is that one? 58 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Bill Brisley: That's the one that's... a Mehl: I'm looking at a drawing here, SB -2 and I'm trying to get some elevations comparisons here. Bill Brisley: I'm sorry, it's 5 feet. It's the same as the other one. They're both 5 feet. Mehl: Okay. I was just curious, I look at the drawings and it looks like about 974 1/2 upper U elevation and about a 967 1/2 parking lot elevation. That's a difference of 7 feet. Bill Brisley: Well we have a small area of sod there which would kind of slope down and a then there's a 6 inch drop of the curb and then the parking lot, as we know is about 5 %. So it will be between 3% and 5 %. Mehl: Was that elevation at the north end of the parking lot based on the 5% slope in the parking lot? So staff is recommending 3 1/2% which over that distance will add about another foot and a half to the height of that wall. Bill Brisley: Which is one of our objections to that solution Hempel: Madam Chair, if I could interject at this point. We met, Vernelle and I discussed one condition, item number 12 about the parking lot grades being the 3 1/2 %. After looking at it a little bit closer, they're actually probably in the range of 4% and with that, it's similar to Wendy's parking lot grade. Side slopes. It's desirable to have less than 4 %., or 3 1/2% from an access. Mancino: So you want to keep 12? Hempel: We could actually delete 12. Mancino: Does that answer your question Don? Mehl: Yeah. It eliminates the difference between the 5 and the 3 1/2. So the height of that wall is what now back there? I came up with a difference of about 7 feet here. Bill Brisley: 974 pretty much at the highest part and then the sod right down to the low end, on the low side is 969. About 5 feet...It's difficult. Mehl: Okay. One other question here. I've got a couple more. I'm looking al drawing SB -2 which is a grading plan drawing that shows the configuration of the parking lot and so on and 59 1 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 then I look at drawing SB -5 and it looks, they're different. The islands are shown different. ' The parking lot configuration on the north side is different. You've got some great insets into the ... Which one's correct? I know they're dated a day apart. ' Bill Brisley: This is a landscape plan done by our consultant. He took the background... Mehl: Okay. ' Mancino: Any other questions at this oint of the applicant? p pp ' Mehl: Can I ask one more? 7 1 I Mancino: Sure. Mehl: On the north side of the building you've got what looks like a, kind of a tunnel like walkway. It looks like it's maybe 5 or 5 1/2 feet wide. Then you've got the building on the one side which of course goes up and then you've got a 5 or 6 foot retaining wall on the other side. And that goes down the north side of the building to an emergency exit door which is on the east end of the walkway. Is there any concern about that tunnel walkway getting filled with snow? What happens when it snows 4 or 5 inches with a good wind? You know is it going to level off. You're going to have to be able to get that door open. What do you do with the snow? You know who's going to throw it up that high? Bill Brisley: It's going to have to be maintained. Mehl: Yeah, it's going to have to be. The door has to be easily opened all the time. Bill Brisley and Vernelle Clayton made comments from the audience which were not picked up by the tape. Mehl: That's the last one. Mancino: Thank you. Is there anyone else presenting Vernelle? Vernelle Clayton continued her presentation, but it was not picked up on the tape. Mancino: I just have a couple suggestions and that would be that in the retaining wall, the 5 foot retaining wall where that kind of tunnel area is, that there be some lights nestled in the retaining wall. .1 Planning ommission Meeting m February 21 1996 I' g g �' , I' Bill Brisley: Every corner has two and every recess has one. Those large ones that we have I' on Market Square I so the building's going to be well lit... Mancino: Within that kind of 5 foot emergency, kind of tunnel area where you have the, I' there might need to be some lighting. At least that retaining wall down below so when people are walking through, that they have some lighting on that side that kind of tells them where the retaining wall starts. And also, maybe not just concrete retaining wall but I' something that has an aesthetic texture to it. To add to it. Vernelle Clayton made a comment. Mancino: Some sort of texture of concrete. Vernelle Clayton: I wanted to make a couple more comments... I guess I would like to I' suggest that we add to that, or as approved by staffs subsequent review of the plan and... At number 9. The width of the existing drive aisle along the south side of the development shall be increased to a minimum of 26 feet wide, fact to face. We talked about that:... Mancino: Vernelle tell me again, which number are you on? On 9? Vernelle Clayton: ...we just thought we'd like to clarify that... Bill Brisley: ...very, very flat area at this end and this road naturally right now goes downhill very fast and ends up being... Vernelle Clayton: ...those are the only q uestions that were...exce t for item number 2. We Yq p have a very unique situation here in that we have covenants of record that state exactly what staff had recommended. We were able to live with them on Market Square II. We have a different situation here in that there are two elements that... One is we have a very ... to 36 inches in that area and 30 inches in the other area. The other thing we want.. we're asking for is ... precedence in Market Square and that there be signs allowed on three sides. We have... signs to the entire building. We really need to be able to put signs on West 78th. The end tenant on the other end, the east end will need a sign on West 78th Street... The problem therefore, we need to have signs, if we're choosing two sides, we need to choose north and south. The problem arises in that Redmond, and I think it's a good idea ... but their front door is facing west. And they would... sign above the front door. So that's the dilemma and we II don't argue with staff recommending. Their role is to interpret... What we're asking for... Dale Almquist: Good evening. Dale Almquist. I represent Redmond Products 28930 West II 78th Street. We are very excited about this project. It's kind of a new venture for Redmond 61 1 it r r Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 to open a salon and retail outlet. It's not going to have the Redmond name on it. It's going to be independent and the beginning of bigger and better things. It's going to be called Capelli's which is Italian for hair ... but after looking around the Twin Cities they decided they really wanted to stay right here in Chanhassen, so the site became very important. And Vernelle stated it very well. The two sided sign ordinance, it leaves one plane exposed and... can't have that. In marketing, you can't get enough... This is a unique building in that it doesn't have a back side. It's completely three or four front sides. Each side faces an important direction but we certainly want a sign facing West 78th Street and a sign facing the parking lot of the Market Square. And also ... but this is the entrance to the building and we definitely want a sign ... and we are asking for an exception. An exception is always a hard thing to ask for but we think it's well warranted. Vernelle Clayton: ...with Subway, they have signage on all three sides of the building... Mancino: Now Wendy's has signs on two sides and so does the Edina Realty building. Vernelle Clayton: Right, Mancino: Okay. Farmakes: All of these buildings were completed at different times in our ordinance's history. Vernelle Clayton: Right. I don't have anything else but I appreciate your time and I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have. Mancino: Vernelle I have a question for you. On condition 14. Where it says the trash enclosure may be relocated to the northeasterly corner of the parking lot. I'm assuming the way that that is worded, you are still working on that with staff or? Vernelle Clayton: I will talk about that ... talked about the elevation here and if you walk along the street, whether you walk down the sidewalk... Mancino: You'd see the trash. Vernelle Clayton: ...this is all going to be under the same ownership and we will be, really this... Mancino: I have another question for you. Let me ask Sharmin and Dave, does that work for you two? About keeping the trash enclosure in that or is that something you still want to work out with the applicant? 62 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Al -Jaffa No, we understand the circumstances so. Mancino: Okay. From the report I read, that there was one extra parking space. Vernelle Clayton: Yes. We should address that. It shows, this is a difficult area right in here ... and we really did not want to give up the sidewalk... Mancino: Okay. So we're down to the minimum number. Because I was going to say, if there was another place where I think we could give up the parking space, would be right in front of the entry to the Redmond. I mean you know, when you go to places, it's so nice if you have an area where you are to walk in and nobody can park and you don't have to go between cars. Vernelle Clayton: ...handicapped kind of serves that purpose... Mancino: Any other questions for the applicant at this time? Mehl: What is the physical size of that trash container or area? Vernelle Clayton: This one is probably about ... We need to widened it just a little bit. Mehl: What were those numbers? Vernelle Clayton: Probably about 14 by 10. Mehl: 14 by 10. By how high? Vernelle Clayton: 14 wide and ... it will be exactly the same as all the others along Market Square. Mehl: Which is what? Vernelle Clayton: ...8. Farmakes: The gray stucco that is currently showing as white on the computer rendering. Is that the same color gray as the building currently...? So that's a darker gray. Vernelle Clayton: Same color as the stucco would be compatible... Mancino: You should have wood. 63 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 1 Farmakes: Okay. Do you have a sample here of that coloration or the materials that you both held up. I believe it's concrete. You have, the building appears to be in the rendering much lighter than what I would envision Market Square... ' Bill Brisley: Well one thing, this is video and video has definite color shifts. It's darker. It's lighter than that shadow and lighter than the bright sunlight areas but ... what I'm saying is that we will match that exactly with a subcontractor. He'll go out and match that... Farmakes: So this is the texture of the material but not the color? The color is. Bill Brisley: Very, very close. Farmakes: Is a cooler, grayer material. ' Mancino: And I have one last uestion Vernelle. You are requesting q wall signage on three sides. The west side, the north side and the south side, correct. Okay. And you're all done presenting? Vernelle Clayton: Yes I am .... walk away from you. Mancino: Not sure if we should start the public hearing or not. Vernelle Clayton: I'll be happy to answer questions... Mancino: Thank you. May I have a motion and a second to open this for a public hearing. Farmakes moved, Meyer seconded to open the public healing. The public hearing was opened. Mancino: This is open for a public hearing. Anyone wishing to address the Planning ' Commission. Seeing none, may I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Farmakes moved, Meyer seconded to close the public hewing. The public hearing was ' closed. Mancino: Comments, questions from commissioners. Don. And obviously one of the big ' questions is signage. Allowing signage on three walls, which was within the PUD covenants in 1989. And then addressing the conditions and just the overall site review. i 64 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Mehl: The little drive there going around the north and west end of Subway. I guess it wasn't clear in my mind and the discussions here as to, understanding it's going to be widened �I to 26 feet on the north end but for some reason it couldn't be widened out to that going around the west end of Subway. ME Mancino: Dave, could you address that? Hempel: Kerber Boulevard along the west here. The new curb line that with the staff report is proposing would be the red line here to widened the drive aisle out to 26 foot wide in this area. As a result this is the trash enclosure location just shifts approximately 3 to 4 feet over. It would maintain that 26 foot aisle until you get into this proximity and would match the existing curb alignment that's in place and that I believe is 25.4 feet wide in this location here. Feel it was warranted to remove the whole curb line... Mancino: You're sure it's 25.4? Hempel: That's what I'm being told. Mancino: I'm just kidding. Meyer: Dave can I ask you? Do you think there's a safety issue having, that's a bad corner as it is. Having that garbage location there. �I Hempel: Typically the garbage pick -ups are off peak hours. They're not during the noon rush hour... Aanenson: I just had a comment on that. Staff looked at that option. Actually that's probably what we spent a lot of time discussing. And all three of us had a different opinion but when it came down to it and looking at, you're impeding other sidewalk movement and what it does to the physical look of the building. As they indicated, putting it next to West 78th. You don't want people looking over the top of it. My preference was to put it on the other side of the building and again, that impedes the sidewalk for people coming down off of West 78th and around. So really it was compromised. It's not the ideal location but really it's probably, well it's the most efficient. Meyer: ..is that a possibility? The entrance to the garage ... back in from the parking lot somehow? Aanenson: Oh. Behind one of the islands? I 65 1 l 1 7 I Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Meyer: Instead of being on the main drag there. I don't know. Aanenson: There was another dumpster further down on, yeah. Right where approximately Dave's pointing now there's another dumpster located back there. I guess that's kind of what we were looking at. As far as visibility, if you're coming down West 78th, your sight line's blocked by the bank so I guess we were looking at it from that perspective. It kind of, that sight line is not what the building is blocking. It's probably the most screened. But we all concurred, that was our problem with this. Trying to find the best spot for that. Hempel: There's some exposure from Subway. I believe Subway has a window or two back in this area... Mancino: Go ahead Don. Mehl: Well I guess I'm still confused. Can you turn that back on Dave? Did you say that now that we can in fact go to the 26 feet? Hempel: That's what we're recommending, yes. In this area here, rather than need a new curb line proposed. Mehl: Right. Mancino: But once you get past that turn, you're back to 25.4. ' Mehl: Right. Yeah, I agree that that corner around the end of Subway is a tough one. People come off of Kerber and make a left hand turn and come around there and they're going too fast you know and you wonder if you're going to get nailed. ' Hempel: We also looked at a thru street. Trying to straighten that out. I Mehl: Yeah, I understand. Hempel: And the grade difference plus the stacking of vehicles here for the intersection was of great importance. Aanenson: Plus we also felt it might encourage more speed because you have a straight shot. So actually this main, because right now there's no hinderance for you to slow down. So actually, even though it is a little bit wider, you have to slow down for the sight lines because there's other movement there. Right now there's nothing else to really slow you down. You don't have to worry about someone else except for when you get closer to that intersection. .. J Planning an g Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Mehl: Well is there any way that you could put in a couple of big speed bumps on that? I (� mean to force people to slow down. Like one right in the entrance as you come off of Kerber. Make them go over a big speed bump right around, just as they enter and then one about midway in the driveway. I� Mancino: Well if there's anyone else in the driveway, you slow down anyway because you can hardly get two cars passing each other. I' Hempel: It's very congested the way it is. This should open it up a little bit... Mancino: Is that even workable to think about speed bumps? Hempel: Some shopping lots, or parking lot areas do have speed bumps. I guess I'm not a �' proponent of them. They probably do more damage to snowplows than anything. Mancino: I'll just talk from, my driveway has them. And I mean, it's a problem. Taking different equipment up and down the driveway. The tractors and plows and everything else. Farmakes: You should slow down. Mancino: Going about 60 mph down that road. Mehl: Yeah, other than that drive around there. y ou Again which I'm uncomfortable with g y I' know the speeds and the close quarters. People making the tight turns. Expanding that out to 26 feet is in effect going to, as you're exiting that drive, your person exiting actually has to make even a tighter turning radius to get out onto Kerber because the whole curb is moved over 4 feet and tightening the whole bend. a Mancino: This isn't going to make it great. I mean it's not going to solve everything. It's going to make it better. Mehl: I'm a little uncomfortable with that retaining wall. I don't know how tall it's really going to end up you know. It could be 5 -6 feet. I don't know if it's a safety issue. We kind of talked about those here a month ago or so. And again I'm a little concerned with that. I' That exit door, that emergency door. Ice build -up and so on. It could be a problem but it has to be maintained. As far as the signage goes, I think we have to follow the new sign ordinances. Go with two sides of the building. Whether it be on the, you know maybe it's on the west and the north, you know I don't know. But other than that I think I support staffs recommendation. I' 67 1 J u J Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Mancino: Jeff. Farmakes: I'm going to back up a little bit farther back. Sometimes we encounter and talk about these projects that take place over a period of years or bump up against changes in the ordinance and so on. Some things that I like about this and some things that I don't so. The shape of the building and what the architect's trying to do, I think he's tried to implement what the client's asking for but the problem, backing up before that is what the client's asking for. The continuation of Market Square, the large section of Market Square along. Bringing it up into the main street area is sort of counter productive of what we discussed in previous buildings, which is quasi i.e. office retail, which is primarily retail. But it's with the brick building here on the corner and the discussion that we talked about there is bringing higher end materials, higher grade building. It's adjacent to a civic area and so on and what the city plans to do and try to bring up the scale of that property. On one hand we're running into conflict on how they're marketing the larger percentage of square footage involved in the development. Obviously from a marketing standpoint they feel they've made their case as to why they would like to see that direction encountered. The problem with that is that from a civic point of view, you look at it and you look at main street and you see that building and what do you have. You have a gray stucco building that is basically a medium grade retail building. There's nothing special about it. There's nothing extraordinary and it was the same argument that we were making and I did not, I was a dissenter on the other Market II buildings. I didn't think that, the city's losing an opportunity I feel to ask for more. It's always a problem with retail when you ask for more because it's not profitable. It's simply not as profitable and we've had this argument over and over again because as we sit here with our wish list, we would like pie in the sky. We would like to see important architecture done and so on for our community and what we run up against of course is that, well we're not making any money on it so we're not going to do that. Somewhere in the middle maybe lies the difference but in this particular spot, this is an important spot. This isn't just a typical retail spot again. I would like to see something ... we relooked at the building as far as the architecture. And it's not looking at this computer drawing. It's looking at, do we buy into the argument that it should be a continuation of what is basically a typical retail type structure. Market I. So I would like to see something more and what bothers me about this is when I look at the materials, I see nicer materials going into a warehouse building that we were presented here than what we're seeing here. And I'd like to see—given to me. It seems to me, based on where it is in our community, that we should be seeing more. Mancino: So you would like to see something different in design and in quality of materials? Farmakes: Well I feel that the design is probably not outside of what we ask for, although a 2 foot ... now that's the bare minimum that we're looking at. I don't feel that, you know again there are a lot of possibilities out there but if you're going to define that you want an .: Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 extension. You want an extension of the existing structure. Well you're defining that. You're closing in the architecture. You're telling them that too far away from that is not what you want. So again we're coming back to a marketing idea versus something of civic interest. Again we're talking about gray stucco. You can't get much more neutral or boring than gray stucco and even the retaining walls. Poured concrete so if you have concrete, they're gray u concrete and gray stucco and again, I go back to I think we could do more with that or ask for more. In talking about issues of signage, it's a very low impact signage area. There's very little competition for the eye. The car has to drive virtually next to the building. I don't see any case for a 36 inch sign versus 30. There's a stop light close by. Cars are going to be interrupted. You couldn't help but see whatever's on that building. If we make exceptions, I think from any signs, we will be here with every applicant giving that. Already today we've treaded on this issue more than once in asking for exceptions on signage. But again, perhaps there's something that needs to be rethought out, either with the monument sign or however that's traded. To alleviate the problem of how they want to divide up... But I do think that I' the basic problem that we need to discuss here is, do we buy into that fact. That that should be a continuation of Market Square I because we're defining how that building, looks then if that's true and in that case, do we feel it's in the best interest of the city. Mancino: And in the last two years, with the addition of the Wendy's and the Edina Realty, " it seems as if the city were looking for something not of the same thing. Farmakes: I don't see that as any different. The premise for that and I certainly think that the Wendy's is successful. The other building I think was a compromise of sorts but again, I don't think that the adjacent property would be any more important to the city than where that chunk is adjacent to us. So it's an important part. So I've talked enough. II Mancino: Bob. Skubic: Well it seems to be a difficult site because of the grade there and I'm not too cra about the retaining wall ... in front of the building on the north side. I don't know what can be done about that. Perhaps that could be a split entry building. I've driven by that site prior to u seeing this and I've often wondered how that site could be utilized and very, not very easily I guess is the answer. But that's all. That's my only comment. �I Mancino: Any comments on architectural or the main question that Jeff has brought up about extending Market Square. ., Skubic: Until Jeff brought up that point, it made a lot of sense to me to have those compliment Market Square. I appreciate the different view point on this. I don't know. 69 1 Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 r Mancino: Mike. ' Meyer: That is exactly what I was just thinking too. I hadn't thought of it in that way. That being such a focal point. I had already thought that I didn't like a 5 foot high retaining wall ' of just concrete. I tend to agree with Jeff on his points as far as maybe going with some higher quality materials for the siding for the structure. I'd also like to see some kind of other solution for having signs on three sides. Maybe they can do something with a monument sign or something of that sort. I don't have the answer but I'd like to see something just with two sides. That's it. I Mancino: Craig. ' Peterson: I was struggling with this one for the last week. My first reaction was as they described the stucco and the gray again and I looked at the sheer amount of retaining wall that was going to augment that building. Augment or detract from the building in my eyes. I ' starting thinking in the same realm that Jeff was thinking also. Is that I don't feel as though it's, it is somewhat of a step up just because of the architectural lines of the building from Market I but I agree that with the plane, at a minimum I would like to see the retaining wall ' done something different than straight concrete because I think it does detract from the building. But I concur. I think that we will have a lost opportunity if we don't do something different than the stucco. So I would be in favor of, the building itself doesn't bother me. If ' we could do something other than stucco, other than the concrete retaining wall to take the harshness and coldness away from that building. I think it would be very advantageous to the city. And the signage, I think we went on record tonight and numerous nights before that there isn't that compelling reason to change from the sign ordinance. I don't think it's been presented here tonight so I couldn't support that either. ' Mancino: And for commissioners to know it's not so much, I mean we do have the sign ordinance but it is in their PUD contract, correct. That it's the two sides. And yet I understand very much how I would want to have a sign, no question on the north side, the ' west side and the south side too. I mean you want people who come in on the south side that are, you know when you get into the center, to look around and to see that it's there. And as I'm coming west too. Is there, I mean I would like this worked out with staff and the ' applicant to see if there's something that could be done to the monument sign or, are there any other alternatives? I Al -Jaffa There is an existing sign. Monument sign along the north. t Mancino: And doesn't it have, what does it say on that signage? 70 Planning Comm Me eting - F I� g ss e g February 21, 1996 Al - Jaff: Right here? (' Mancino: Yeah. It says Market Square but then doesn't it list everything that's. Al -Jaff: Well, they have the option of advertising. u Mancino: So they could put the name of the tenants on this building, on that sign and make it, hold on Vernelle until we're done. Okay, thank you. They could have the option of putting the tenants of this particular building on that sign. And there is also, well just a minute because you can... because there is also another monument sign on the corner. They I' have two monument signs on 78th. Al -Jaff: The corner of 78th and Market. I Mancino: We have two monument signs on 78th. One on the corner of Market and 78th and one on 78th and then we also have another one on Market. So there are three monument I' signs strategically placed for that square. And I'll wait to hear why we cannot but I would, I understand the need. I would like to see it resolved in a way that we use the monument sign and then two wall signs that stay with the covenants of the PUD. I must admit I was concerned a little, as Jeff was, on the building. I like the architecture, the simplicity and the cleanness of the design of the building. I don't feel that it has the same quality of feel with the other buildings that are on 78th Street now. So I guess that I'm saying, is your question, 'I do we want to see Market Square continued up to 78th. And I guess I'm saying, no. I would like to see something else. Farmakes: My question, to clarify that as Market Square I architecturally. Mancino: Yes, thank you. And I just don't think it meets the city's standards or the city's 'I character right now in that area and what we've seen put in in the last 3 years that I've been on the Planning Commission as far as architecture and a lot of detail and the type of material. 'I So I would like to see this come back in. Any other discussion on this from, would anyone else like to add at this point? Peterson: I agree. U Mancino: Vernelle. 'I Vernelle Clayton: Technically the monument signs belong to Market Square I and they're... and it can't be used by Market Square III. 11 71 11 r r Planning Commission Meeting - February 21, 1996 Mancino: Not at all? Vernelle Clayton: No. Mancino: Okay. Aren't they owned by one and same owner? Vernelle Clayton: They are owned by the same one but the leases the tenants have, we have promised those tenants ... and they don't have to be owned by the same owner. They can't really make promises. Just because they're owned... and then tomorrow they sell the property to two different people. Mancino: Do you have different tenants on each monument sign? Vernelle Clayton: No, the same ones are on each one. There are two monument signs for Market Square I and one for Market Square II. The two for Market Square I have the same tenants on it. Mancino: Gotch you. On Market and on 78th? Vernelle Clayton: Right. Mancino: And the one that's on the corner is Market Square II. Vernelle Clayton: Right. Mancino: Well we haven't solved that one yet. Peterson: Well staff, is there room for another monument sign anywhere that you can see? Aanenson: I think at this point, if you're going to table, I think that's something that we would be willing to look at. If that's the direction you're leaning. Mancino: Do I have a motion? Farmakes: I'll make a motion that the Planning Commission table the site plan for Market Square III, #95 -22 SPR, that's dated February 7, 1996 on the staff report dated February 21, 1996. I'd request that the applicant options be worked out with staff in regards to looking at the structure, the permanent structure as far as materials go. I'm looking for some creativity here. Options. Looking at the issue or looking at alternative issues or working out your signage options with your tenants that fit within the city ordinances. And looking at creative 72 Planning Commission Meeting - Februa ry 21, 1996 0 ways for architecturally ... looking at the retaining wall situation. Structure of the building itself or the shape of the building I don't think is a major issue of contention. The quality of I' the materials, perhaps the color scheme or dealing with the continuation of Market I architecture. Does that seem to clarify what I'm trying? Mancino: Well yeah. I mean I think this is very compatible with, and I would still like to stay in that compatibility range of Market Square I but add to it as far as architectural details I' and architectural quality of materials. Anyone else who would like to make it even more clear. Al -Jaffa Do you want the comparison between compatibility with Market Square II versus I? Farmakes: I think that's certainly, that's an option. Again, we got into the same argument. I I' made a motion so I don't know, maybe we should deal with that before we discuss... Mancino: I just want to make sure the staff has clear enough direction. So we will go ahead with the motion and we will make sure that it is clear. Is there a second to the motion? Mehl: I'll second it Mancino: Any discussion? During this discussion time, does staff need clear, definite guidance? D Aanenson: Can I just respond back to you what I believe the issues are? Mancino: Yes. Aanenson: That you want us to look at the materials. There seems to be some consensus �I that the design of the building is okay but you want to review the materials so we'll take several approaches to do that. Secondly, you want us to look at the sign options and we've got the direction that you want us to look within the ordinance to see if there's some other alternative there. And finally look at the retaining wall materials. Mancino: Thank you. I� Farmakes moved, Mehl seconded that the Planning Commission table action on the Site Plan foi° Market Square III ( 995 -22 SPR) for further neview. All voted in favor and the motion carved unanimously. Mancino: So we will see this again when it's ready. 73 1 MARKET SQUARE III 3!6/96 We're here to take our proposal off the table for the purpose of discussing the three items that ' were stated as the basis for the tabling: 1. Materials for the retaining wall ' 2. Materials for the Building 3. Additional signage options. Bill Brisley, architect with Amcon, will be showing and discussing all of these. ' I should perhaps mention that while we are now two weeks past the last Planning Commission and you might wonder why a description of what we have done was not included in your packet, the deadline for submitting our conclusions was actually only two days after the last Planning ' Commission meeting and at that time we had not had sufficient time to thoroughly explore our options as requested. Secondarily, the issue of dealing with materials involves seeing and touching more than verbal descriptions. ' First, I would like to discuss the owner's perspective and our approach in preparing for this P g meeting. ' Our approach as to the materials for retaining all is pretty straightforward; we have eliminated g p y g a e e mmated any plain concrete block use and we will be showing you the alternative material and the color. ' Our approach to the signage i PP question is more complex. We will be showing some alternatives, t but we haven't come up with an easy solution that will meet both the current PUD requirements, - City Ordinance and the wishes and needs of the tenants. More discussion of signage will be included in Bill's presentation and Dale Ahlquist of Redmond Products will also address that issue a bit later. As to revisiting materials for the building itself, we experienced some difficulty in determining just ' how to satisfy your request. After discussions among our group and with staff, we concluded that a. There was no clear presumption that totally new materials were anticipated, though that was an option to explore and b. there may have been some anticipation that additional materials could be introduced and that option was explored. No matter what, it was so =manly concluded on our part that more and better visuals v. needed. To that end, we have more and better video, hard copy renderings and we have modified our Site ' Plan and Landscaping plan to reflect the conditions agreed to as to the widening of the drive area, moving the steps across from Subway, etc. o I ' What we will be showing you reflects our consideration o f all o f the e a bove options. f �.ir conclusions are: I' A. We will be showing you that stucco is the appropriate primary rnaterial for the tipper portion of the building. I' B. That rock face block is the appropriate material for the lower (foundation) portion of the building ... and the retaining walls will match. Within that, we have made some modifications and we have made some changes in color densities. Again, Bill will be showing you. I would like to preface Bill's presentation by providing some additional backgrounding for this I' project. Two weeks ago I proposed that a building which appears to be part of the larger shopping center u would look best along West 78th Street. I still believe that is true. However, I will also submit that someone else might make a convincing case that, assuming there we're no shopping center and no PUD in place, it could look nice along West 78th Street with three small buildings, each different, each quality. While I believe this building will also accomplish that goal, that isn't what we're doing here. What we're doing is finishing a shopping center. We're filling out a PUD where 'I the City and the developer already have made commitments and agreements with each other. The City to safeguard itself, put in limitations on our architecture and materials. You can hold us to that and we believe we should be able to rely on that agreement as well. We believe that is what the Planning Commission must evaluate. Are we complying with the zoning. The zoning in this case is the PUD and its language. We're saying, yes, we agree with you, we are bringing you a plan that includes consistent architecture and materials. We want it to look like one shopping 'I center and that's what we're compelled to do. The City benefits from that compliance, the tenants benefit and, thus, the owners benefit. The materials we are using are the same as those in the shopping center. The colors we are using are virtually the same as in the SC, but we have warmed them a little. In addition, the materials we are using are the same as those which have been used up and down West 78th Street and up and down Market Blvd., our two main commercial arteries. While there has been some singling out of this small portion of West 78th street in the past, the evaluation must include all of the main commercial area. There is nothing singularly unique as to this small strip between Market and Kerber. It is simply a part of our commercial downtovm area. Furthermor the PUD in which it 'I is located is a commercial PUD, intended exclusively for the development of retail buildings. Nothing other than that has ever been proposed -- though we got off -track somehow since the first tenant in Market Square II was a residential real estate sales office. It is most likely that when they decide to build their own building the next tenant will be a retailer. Market Square is not a mixed use PUD that includes office, it is a commercial /retail PUD. 'I i f: L L L The Staff report to Council on October 18, 1989, at the time the PUD was approved said, referring to what the City'got' in approving the PUD: "The current plan offers much in exchange including higher quality architectural design, landscaping and signage. It (the plan) also provides for consistent and well planned development of two free - standing buildings and ultimately of Outlot A." It went on to say, the plans having benefited form continued refinement, that "New elevations have been prepared for the building. After reviewing them we are satisfied that the building offers a high degree of architectural design" (I would like to note parenthetically here that we still get complements on how pretty Market Square is, even that it's one of the prettiest Shopping Centers around.) While the agreement with respect to Outlot A said that "the design and materials used on any structures will be compatible with the shopping center building ", the plan then being reviewed at that time for a building on tonight's site was evaluated on the basis that its "Architectural detailing promotes a visual identification with the main shopping center building." The evaluation went on to say "Staff expects to use the PUD designation to insure that when a building is proposed for outlot A, it is architecturally compatible with the shopping center. An appropriate stipulation is provided." When we proposed Market Square II, we struggled with determining what compatible meant and the Planning Commission determined that the building as approved and subsequently constructed was compatible. The word "consistent," and the criteria of "visual identification with the main shopping center building ", however, further defines the current building. "Consistent" means "in harmony and compatible ", but also means "holding to the same principals or practice." "Compatible ", on the other hand is less specific: "getting along harmoniously." What we got as to the Edina Bldg., while it may be somewhat compatible, is also something less than we had intended and it does not hold to the same 'principles and practice' as contained in Market Square I and as was intended for the development of Lots 2 and 3 when the PUD was created. We don't intend to make the same mistake twice. The mistake is not that we didn't build a nice looking building, the mistake is that it isn't very identifiable as a part of the main shopping center Many folks have asked why we did such a thing and we really have no reasonable defense. It was not a good thing to do for the shopping center. The above is reiterated to reinforce our premise that the key in determining whether the project complies with current zoning, is whether or not it complies with the PUD, which is its zoning. In the context of measuring it against the standards set forth in the City Code Book regarding the standards for Site Plan Review, , paragraph 5 (c) of Section 20.110 states that PC and Council shall consider whether a site plan is in compliance with "Creation of a functional and harmonious design..... with special attention to..." "Materials, textures, colors and details of construction as an expression of the design concept and the compatibility of the same with the adjacent and neighboring structures and uses." i Clearly our choice of n ials has been made as a further expression of the design concept and the test as to compatibility must first be the standards set in the PUD agreement. We submit that if the PC perceived the Market Square II buildint to be compatible with Market Square, then this building which is reflective of Market Square I, by the same measure must be compatible with Market Square II, its immediately adjacent building. By the same token, it must then be concluded that if Richfield Bank met the compatibility test with respect to its neighbor to the east (Market Square I), then Market Square III as proposed must basically be predetermined to be compatible with the Richfield Bank. In all honesty, and compatibility aside, the Richfield Bank, with its inherent uniqueness of design is able to stand alone in the City as a one -of -a -kind quality addition. The Code Book's section on Architectural Standards states that: "It is not the intent of the city to restrict design freedom unduly when reviewing project architecture in connection with a site and building plan. However, it is in the best interest of the city to promote high standards of architectural design and compatibility with surrounding structures and neighborhoods. Our design was not an issue and this quote is inserted merely to point out consistency within the standards. With that as background and to lighten up a bit - -I'd like to talk a little more about compatibility and a little about the needs of the primary tenant. In continuing the summary of buildings nearby our subject, just beyond the Richfield Bank is a large breakoff block building, across the street will be a park. To the east is a brick bank building, again a quality civic - standard. Also to the east are two wooden buildings one with rock faced block trim and the other with brick trim In short, there is no absolute standard for compatibility within in our building's immediate vicinity that there is no standard it cannot meet or exceed as to compatibility of both materials and design. We deliberately coordinate all of the colors at both Market Square I and Market Square II. The parking lot banners pick up on the green tile and roofline trim. The monument signs use the same stucco, burgundy and green. At Christmas we make our bows for the wreathes and roping only out of matching green and burgundy ribbons. Even our summer plantings are color coordinated (although we will make an exception for some Centennial red geraniums out of civic; responsibility this year.) J u 7 0 Market Square enjoys a good reputation. Its merchants are meeting the needs of the community, its neat and clean and its attractive, friendly and welcoming. People like to go there, its a pleasant experience. It hasn't just happened. The materials are light and bright. The burgundy awnings are a warm color. There are a lot of merchants there, each with good coordinated signage. There are cars in the parking lot. It's landscaping is coming into its own. In considering Market Square III's materials we also need to keep in mind also that the stucco monument sign is right outside this building and will be much more compatible with the stucco proposed than with any other material. It should be noted again that the monument sign incorporates the burgundy from Market Square I as well as the teal green from that part of the project. You may have noticed that all of the buildings on the James site have a very similar look, both in design and materials. That is being done only on Site Plan review. Here we have a PUD which one normally can safely assume provides more protection from deviation from design and materials than with only Site Plan Review. That is by forethought. It is important that each shopping center have an identity. Marketing is done shopping center by shopping center and shoppers need to know when they have arrived. Our proposed building is light, airy, friendly, it is consistent with Market Square. Market Square itself is light, friendly, cheerful. People like to come there. It is inviting. It is not cold, it's warm. Shopping is an experience. It has to be part fun. Folks have to feel welcome. It also has to be flexible. Ideas of what's fun, what's the right color, what's the right texture change over time. When I first moved here and when the Dinner Theatre was built, the right thing all over the country was rough sawn cedar, signs going up and down and at angles, lots of graphics and either expansive overhanging eaves or absolutely none at all. Trends change. We're now in probably the second wave since the one I described above. Retail has to be on the cutting edge of those changes, therefore the construction has to be flexible. The tired old dark brick shopping centers which we have seen falter here in the Minneapolis Metro area and elsewhere around the country have been the last to receive an update, the hardest to recreate and the most expensive. In retail, the perceived advantage of the 'permanence' of brick is also its greatest deterrent. On the subject of brick as a material, I should also say that we met with Redmonds after the last meeting and they are adamant that they do not want brick used on this building. They are totally convinced that brick cannot be made to reflect their 'look.' Among other things, the darkness and texture of brick would detract from what they're trying to do. I should also say that we have designed this building with continuing dialogue with Redmond and its architect and the dess�n you see reflects that collaboration. They want an Italian feel. Their name is Italian, their decor will reflect that look and they want the exterior to look as much like the Mediterranean Italian villas as possible. The image of these Italian villas are the hillsides filled with varying light shades of stucco buildings. Like so many owners these days, Capelli has chosen stucco to achieve their look over other available materials. The same has been true of other owners here in Chanhassen as Y ou know, and the same has been true throughout the country and throughout the metro as Bill will show you. In discussing brick, we are aware that you did not say, "go back and design this building out of brick." Our mission was to review materials. In doing so, however, we felt we should give brick some consideration. As a part of our exercise in addressing materials, we prepared an evaluation of the materials used in each building constructed as a part of the development and redevelopment of downtown Chanhassen. We have prepared a chart which has color coded the types of materials used. The findings are that: 1. Wood is used on 9 of the buildings, mostly the first buildings constructed as a part of the redevelopment and it's probably worth nothing that those are the buildings which really gave Chanhassen its warm and friendly comfortable downtown reputation. 2. Stucco has been used on 6 of the 21 buildings, four of which were approved in 1995. 3. Brick has been used either as a primary material or as trim on 11 of the buildings. (As " an aside, it occurs to me as a result of this review that we are coming perilously close to having entirely too many brick buildings if Chanhassen is going to retain its warm and friendly downtown image.) We would also like to point out that the buildings in the brick category include City Hall and three banks, which typically are classified as'civic' type buildings, more appropriately of brick and stone, and should not necessarily or appropriately be compared with commercial buildings.. Review the chart. I We'd like now to review our fine building with you. As a part of that discussion, Brill Brisley will also be discussing the signage and the retaining walls. When he's finished Dale Ahlquist will say a few words and I'll come back and briefly summarize. Market Square is a successful shopping center. Market Square III is a part of the shopping center. We'll use the same bows and ribbons, the same coordinated plantings, the tenants will be members of the same marketing group. They need the identity. The building needs to look much more like Market Square I than does Market Square II and we need to proceed with the colors and materials presented. It will house an exciting new concept in marketing for Chanhassen brought to us by one of our most highly regarded existing businesses (our competition for their site was Edina). It will be an exciting addition to Market Square and in approving the site plan you will have met your charge in carrying out the intent of the city's comprehensive plan in achieving excellence and "originality of design" as well as assuring that there is compliance with ' the existing PUD zoning which governs in this case. u 13. That staff look into the viability of connecting the sewer line on the west edge of the �' existing home and sharing the same sewer system. All voted in favor- and the motion carried unanimously. U CONSIDER SITE PLAN REVIEW APPROVAL OF A RETAIL BUILDING OF 8,321 SQ. FT. AND A PARKING LOT SETBACK, VARIANCE ON PROPERTY ZONED PUD, AND LOCATED ON LOTS 2 AND 3, BLOCK 1, MARKET SQUARE, MARKET SQUARE 3 PARTNERS, INC., AMCON CORPORATION. Shmmin AI -Jaff presented the staff repoit on this item. Mancino: So were you able to work with the applicant during this last two weeks on the 'I sign? And where the signs go on the frontage? I mean one of the things was 'we asked for the applicant to work with staff on this. Al -Jaff: One of the concerns that we have is if we allowed a variance on the signage to add more than two facias of signage on the building, then we have the potential of 'Wendy's coming in and requesting signage on a third side. The same could happen with the Edina Realty's building, and that's what we're trying to avoid. 'I Mancino: So the other Market Square I, II, the other additions. Al -Jaff: Could come in and request. D Mancino: But right now they are all following the PUD. I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 10. The applicant shall be responsible for SWMP water quality and water quantity connection charges in the amount of $368 and $911, respectively. These fees are �I payable to the city prior to recording the final plat. 11, Lot 2 will be subject to a sanitary sewer hook -up and connection charge and water connection and hook -up charges in accordance with current city ordinance at time of building permit issuance. 11 Lot 2 will be subject to a sanitary sewer hook -up and connection charge and water connection and hook -up charges in accordance with current city ordinance at time of building permit issuance. II 13. That staff look into the viability of connecting the sewer line on the west edge of the �' existing home and sharing the same sewer system. All voted in favor- and the motion carried unanimously. U CONSIDER SITE PLAN REVIEW APPROVAL OF A RETAIL BUILDING OF 8,321 SQ. FT. AND A PARKING LOT SETBACK, VARIANCE ON PROPERTY ZONED PUD, AND LOCATED ON LOTS 2 AND 3, BLOCK 1, MARKET SQUARE, MARKET SQUARE 3 PARTNERS, INC., AMCON CORPORATION. Shmmin AI -Jaff presented the staff repoit on this item. Mancino: So were you able to work with the applicant during this last two weeks on the 'I sign? And where the signs go on the frontage? I mean one of the things was 'we asked for the applicant to work with staff on this. Al -Jaff: One of the concerns that we have is if we allowed a variance on the signage to add more than two facias of signage on the building, then we have the potential of 'Wendy's coming in and requesting signage on a third side. The same could happen with the Edina Realty's building, and that's what we're trying to avoid. 'I Mancino: So the other Market Square I, II, the other additions. Al -Jaff: Could come in and request. D Mancino: But right now they are all following the PUD. I n Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 Al -Jaff: Correct. Mancino: And the city ordinance. Al -Jaff: Correct. Mancino: Kind of one and the same. Okay. Shaimin AI -Jaff continued with her staff wpoit Mancino: And what we lack is having staffs review at this time? Aanenson: That's correct. Mancino: And seeing it prior to our presentation too. A lot of times we will get drawings prior to Planning Commission night so that we can review it ourselves, the Planning Commission, or come over to City Hall to review it so we haven't been able to do that, nor has staff been able to do a review either. We'll go ahead and have their presentation and have the time to review and if we would like to ask staff to do a formal review, we can do that at that time. Okay. Thank you. Does the applicant wish to address the Planning Commission? Vernelle Clayton: I'm Vernelle Clayton. I live at 422 Santa Fe Circle here in Chanhassen and we're here to take our proposal off the table for the purpose of discussing the three items that were taking ... to the table. One, the materials for the... Materials for the building. Additional signage options. Bill Brisley, our architect with Amcon will be showing and discussing all of these. I should perhaps mention that while we are now two weeks away from the last Planning Commission and your office is wondering why we didn't get this... what we've done included in your packet. The deadline for submitting our—was two days after the last Planning Commission meeting... Secondarily... dealing with materials involves seeing, touching... and we wanted to have a little more time... First I'd like to discuss the owner's perspective... retaining wall is... We've eliminated plans for concrete block and put up ... faced block with a color... Our approach to the signage question is more complex. We will be showing you an alternative. We haven't come up with an ... PUD requirements, the city ordinance and... materials for the building itself-after discussions among ... and the staff we concluded that (a), there was no clear presumption that a totally new set of materials was anticipated. That was an option to explore and (b), that... additional materials to be used and then ... We will be showing you, reflect our consideration of all the options. Our conclusions are, (a), we will be showing you that stucco is the appropriate primary material for the outer R Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 1 portion of the building. (b), that rough faced block is the appropriate material for the lower foundation portion of the building and the retaining walls to match. Within that we ... some '! modifications and include some changes in color densities... I'd like to premise Bill's presentation by providing some additional background for this project. Two weeks ago I proposed a building which appears to be part of a larger shopping center ... along West 78th Street. I still believe that's true. I will also submit that someone else might make a convincing case that assuming there were no shopping center located in place, it would like nice along West 78th with three distinctly similar building. Distinctive buildings. Three " small buildings, each different. Each ... But I believe this building will also accomplish that goal that ... What we're doing is finishing the shopping center. We're filling ... city and the developer already have commitments and agreements set up. The city ... putting limitations on I' architecture and on materials... that we should be able to rely on that agreement: as well. We believe that's what the Planning Commission... We're saying yes, we agree with you. We are bringing the plan that shows consistent architecture and materials. We want it to look like one shopping center and that is what we are compelled to do. The city benefits in that the plans... The materials we are using are the same as those for the shopping center. Colors we are using are virtually the same as in the shopping center but we have more of them. In addition, materials that we are using are the same as those which are being used up and down West 78th Street and ... the evaluation must include all of the commercial area. There's nothing... simply a part of a commercial downtown area. Furthermore... located is a commercial tenant. A tenant exclusive for development of retail building. Nothing other than that which is being proposed... Market Square is not a mixed use PUD... It is commercial retail 'I PUD. The staff report to Council on October 18th... referring to what the city got in the earlier PUD. Quote, he current plan offers much in exchange including higher quality architectural design ... It also provides for consistent, that's an important word, and well 'I planned development of two free standing buildings and ultimately of Outlot A. It went on to say the plans... prepared to build. After reviewing them we are satisfied that the building offers a higher degree of architectural design. I would like you to know parenthetically here that we all get compliments, and still get compliments... While the agreement referring to Outlot A said, quote, the design and materials used on any structures will be compatible with the shopping center building, and we wrestled with that... The plan then being reviewed � back... At that time ... on tonight's site was evaluated on the basis that it's quote, architectural detailing promotes a visual identification with the main shopping center building. The evaluation went on to say, quote staff expects to use a PUD designation to ... with 'I architecturally compatibility to the shopping center and for... provided. When we proposed Market Square II, we struggled to determine what compatible meant and the Planning Commission determined that the building—was compatible. The word consistent and the criteria of visual identification of the main shopping center however further defines the current development. Consistent means that ... and compatible but also means holding to the same principles and practice. Compatible on the other hand is less specific... What we got is 7 11 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 the Edina building... somewhat compatible, is something less than we had intended and which ' does not hold to the same principles and... contained in Market Square I and was our intent for the development of Lots 2 and 3 when the PUD was created. We don't intend to do that... It's not that we didn't build a nice looking building... identify as a part of the main shopping center ... It was not a good thing to do for the shopping center. The ... whether or not it complies with the PUD... materials, textures, colors and details of construction as an expression of the design concept and compatibility of the same with the adjacent... Clearly ' our choice of materials make a further expression of the design concept and the test as to compatibility must first be a standard set for the PUD ... We submit that the Planning ' Commission perceived Market Square to the Market Square II building to be compatible with Market Square, then this building, which is ... of Market Square I, by the same measure, must be compatible with Market Square II... By the same token, it must have been the conclusion ' that the Richfield Bank met the compatibility test with respect to the ... to the east, Market Square I, then Market Square III as proposed must basically be pre- determined to be compatible with Richfield Bank... compatibility aside, Richfield Bank with it's inherent ' uniqueness of design, is able to stand alone in the city as a one of a kind, quality condition. The code book section of architectural standards states that the code is not ... However it is in the best interest of the city to ... design with compatibility ... With that background... I'd like to ' talk a little more about compatibility and a little about the needs of the primary tenant ... We continue with some of the buildings near by our project. Just beyond this building is a ... building. Across the street we have a park. To the east is a brick bank building. Again, a ' high quality, city standard type building. Also to the east are two wooden buildings,one with rock face block trim and the other one with brick trim. In short, there is no absolute standard for compatibility within our building's immediate vicinity that, and there's no standard that we believe... summer plantings are color coordinated... Market Square has a good reputation... People like to go there ... it doesn't just happen. The materials and light and bright. The burgundy awnings are a warm color ... In considering Market Square's ... You may have noticed that all the buildings at the James' site have a very similar look, both in design and materials. That is being done only on site plan review. Here we have a PUD ... It is important that each shopping center have an identity, marking it down shopping center by shopping center and ' shoppers need to know how to... Our proposed building is light, airy, friendly and is consistent with Market Square... light, friendly and cheerful, people like to come there... It also has to be flexible. Ideas on what's on fun. What's the right color. What's the right texture... ' or absolutely nothing at all. Trying to change... Retail has to be on the cutting edge of those changes. Therefore the construction has to be flexible. The entire ... To receive the advantage of the ... On the subject of...material I should say that we met with the residents after the last ' meeting and they do not want... They are totally convinced that brick should not be used ... We also say that we have... Our mission was to review the materials. In doing so however, we felt we should give brick some consideration. At the time we were designing the different ' materials, we prepared an evaluation of materials to use and each of them ... as a part of Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 development and re- development of downtown Chanhassen. We have prepared a chart that... findings are that (1), wood is used on ... buildings, mostly the first buildings... as part of the redevelopment... Stucco has been used on six of the 21 buildings, 4 of which were approved in 1995. Brick has been used either as a primary material or a trim on a number of the buildings—we are coming ... close to having entirely too much brick on buildings... warm and friendly downtown. We would also like to point out that ... The green... indicate a rock face foundation pretty much throughout and yellow indicates brick... The red is stucco and blue is ... on these two buildings on this end and two of the... Mancino: Vernelle, what's the new entertainment center going to be? Is that mostly brick and stucco? Vernelle Clayton: Yes. Stucco, stucco, brick, brick, brick. Mancino: Okay, Vernelle Clayton: And I put this one in ... in reality it's a depiction of the fact that we have a number of small buildings ... we have not had total success with all of them. This is why. This is what you see when you're driving west and this is what you see... I think you have copies of this report in the... We'd like to show you now our... and then I'll come back... Bill Brisley: My name is Bill Brisley, an architect with Amcon, a Market Square III partner. We're returning to the Planning Commission tonight with a proposal for a stucco and rock faced block building with some changes, some additions, some clarifications, and some justification. We feel strongly about the positive value of a stucco building in Chanhassen and I will tell you why. We have responded to a perception that the gray look of the main structure is too cold and have responded accordingly with an attempt to warm lip the project with color and crisp detail and material changes. We're also ... that the Commission did not 'I really have the opportunity to see what the building would really look like, and we've addressed that issue with a large color rendering with all the changes and additions incorporated in it. The building material known as drivit or stucco or plaster or effice, is a � quality material that has been clearly used by architects and buildings for decades in our area, and actually centuries in other parts of the world. It is compatible with brick, stone, glass, and metal. It's use can be found on buildings of quality in any community. When you picture a high end, traditional, old neighborhood like Kenwood near Lake of the Isles, around Lake Harriet, or even old Edina located west of 50th and France, you'll find as much as 30% of the buildings with stucco as their exterior wall material. Of the quality building materials D used in those neighborhoods, stone, brick, stucco and wood, stucco is considered to be a permanent, maintenance free product which is generally regarded closer to brick and stone relative to quality. Today this is commercially used for similar reasons. Durability, 9 11 �I r� 1 Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 flexibility, design appeal. Any shape that can be formed out of wood or Styrofoam can be surfaced with stucco. Architects like it because you can create neo- traditional building elements such as detailed... cornices, interesting window heads and sills, wall bases and... These elements once only cut from stone or painstakingly pieced together with brick, can easily be created with stucco and can take on some of the characteristics of their stone predecessors. A marvelous example of this is found on the new Gap store on the corner of Lake and Hennepin. As a wall material stucco is light and clean, in a spiritual sense. But when used skillfully today can enliven and elevate the mood of the building to a warm, sunny ambience. It is in this spirit of a light and inviting sense of place that the Redmond's strongly desire to maintain this material on their new salon, Capelli. The following videotape will show examples of buildings in other communities that have embraced this building material as a quality choice. It also brings to mind the intentions of the owners... As an architect I'm convinced that quality, permanence and fresh and innovative design issues is at the heart of each of these buildings. The first building is D'Amico. A new million dollar renovation in Uptown. These people had any choice of material at their disposal and this is what they chose to do for reasons similar to... This building is ...Gallery in Edina. 50th and France. It's placed right between Teia's and some other brick buildings. It's completely compatible on the site. You can't see the difference in quality. They're all different... This is the Collective Salon in Edina, 50th and France. All stucco except for a wood insert. Mancino: The entire middle ... is wood and glass. Bill Brisley: The valance changes the color... Dayton's at Southdale. Completely stucco... very minor details out of marble. This is Uno across from Dayton's on France. A lot of detailing here. This next one is a Room and Board. A little cleaner look... This is ... across from the Galleria. This last one is the Infinity dealership in Bloomington where ... white brick buildings, all brick buildings, it's kind of a compliment to that. This is all stucco, all the way around. Now I'd like to review the new rendering here and I'd like to describe some of the things that we've done. We added, what we did not have before we added some lines ... that will catch shadows here, here and all along the... We also reduced the amount of coping and created this out of stucco and so the opening will be as a sign band from top to bottom and that will around the curved section as well. We changed the stucco from a white, rather cold material that we used on the ... to a much warmer gray. I have two colors. One is used behind the canopies. Inbetween the piers, the white piers and the other is ... on the larger face... Mancino: Would you show us where those are please? Bill Brisley: It's hard to see in here but that would be in there and in there, in the slot and then inside here. Unfortunately something happened to the ... and knocked that off ..but there would be a line right there with a little darker... 10 F��' Planning Commission Meeting o March 6, 1996 Mancino: So the recessed are going to have the darker color? Bill Brisley: Yes. To make them look deeper. Mancino: To add more dimension. Bill Brisley: To add more dimension. Mancino: And then the sides of the recessed will be light but it's just going to be that. Bill Brisley: Except they're ... into this darker line behind. These are darker and then behind the canopies, because the canopies are endless. Without end so you can see ... define that point. Find the...As you can see by their absence here, it appears that it kind of sails off and it would be much stronger... The rock faced block is a much more ... We're buying from Sheely who make the Keystone products so our retaining wall and our foundation block of the building we'll get that... As for rock faced block, this building material. One of the things that we liked about it is the texture match to our existing center, even though it's a little warmer. It has a distinct foundation as a grounding or base for a building. It's thicker and... The texture is representative of a ... stone wall... The architectural community has accepted this product wholeheartedly ... with brick all the time. A little wider down below so it gets stronger. These are kind of some of the reasons to justify using this particular product. It will be identical to the retaining wall, just as I said before. Now let me discuss what we've done with the site plan. Vernelle's already mentioned... The two lines here you see. That old line is where the curb is now. The inside line. This outside line here is what a 26 foot ... and then all the curbs are adjusted to fit that. I should mention, the stairway's moving over here, down here so it's right in line. It's difficult because this is very steep in here and this retaining wall right here so ... directly up with this part—And then on staffs recommendation I added, all along this entire retaining wall are intermittent groups of climbing vines, facing south so there will be rock faced block and then vines, rock faced block and vines... Mancino: If we're talking Italian, are there going to be vines on the building? Bill Brisley: ...On signage and lighting, what we're recommending is that we do use all four sides. But as indicated on the elevation board, we do have a hardship with Capelli, the front door... If we're restricted to two sides, Capelli would not have their sign over the front door, because the two most obvious places to have signage is on the north side and the south side. And the last tenant, because he couldn't have it on the north side, nor the east side— .really only have one sign and that would be facing... another hardship for us. What we're recommending, signage as indicated on the elevation board, based on typographic sensibility and balance with respect to the specific wall rather than objective ordinance specification, and I 11 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 i� they are reduced somewhat from our first request. We hope to have all four walls as shown ' for this conception and variance from the city we would be willing to paint the sign and wash, and use a wash light for the sign at night with an upscont type lighting or some other inward facing lamp mounted on ... or standards. This will make the signs much more subtle ' and attractive and wholly a part of the architecture. The lighting would light up each section of the building above the canopy. The center section... three per wall adding a third characteristic to the night view of the building. The lettering would be painted in such a way that with the shadows and contrasting edges, that it would appear to be etched in stone with a chisel... Right off the rendering but it won't show you what that would be like just with the paint. We would be willing to have the commission put this item aside and come back if we ' have to, to allow more research to be done on lighting types and a night rendering subsequent ...occurring showing exactly what the effect would be. Lighting on the north wall is the same quality and density as on the walls in Market Square I as it's dealing with the... That lighting ' is exactly the same interval as we have on the center so how the center sidewalk is lit is exactly how we... It might either be stronger because... There are two alternative material options that we looked at and ... to illustrate that. This is the retaining wall... One of our alternatives, that it be an 8 x 16 brick foundation and remove the rock faced block. We'd like to have it in the same color as what you see in the rendering. What I don't like about that is ' the flatness. It's smoothness... the heavy face of the foundation but I think it could be... I have a picture that kind of shows what that would look like and then a brick foundation. A second possibility would be a brick foundation and brick vertically between the building masses. I ' would like to see two colors and sizes... smaller and lighter color as it goes up between, the same areas where we're going to have to have our stucco... I'm not pleased with those. I think it's impure for the building itself but I've seen it done. That's a possibility. Mancino: And do you have renderings of that? 1 Bill Brisley: I don't have a rendering but I have a sketch... This is one of the considerations that I looked at was that I would take the foundation block all the way up and I thought that was very cold and strong and boring with it so high in the air. But you can imagine that that would be, if that were brick going up between these two. The stucco elements would come all the way as if they were a building that's stronger and more hard ... and the lighter elements coming forward and shooting out. Like I said, one would be just go completely with brick, as the foundation. The second option would be to go all the up between. Another issue the city had was, did you want to talk about signage? ...talk about being a 30 inch versus 36. ' Mancino: Let's just see the difference. Bill Brisley: 30 inch, it's very subtle but that 6 inches, that two lines I lose a lot. It flattens ' Capelli. If you look at the rendering and look at it here. To have it fill out this space, 12 Fi Planning ommission Meeting - March 6, 1996 1 g g typographically is was ... I have to squash down Capelli to make it fit within that 30 inches. It's an aesthetic issue anyway and I just really wonder if that 6 inches is such... But that's what it looks like with 30. And that about wraps it up for me, unless there's any questions. Mancino: Any questions at this time? " Farmakes: The facing brick that you're showing down there. That's what's the dark tan that �� we see worked into the retaining wall and the base right there. Bill Brisley: 4 feet here, 5 foot... I Farmakes: But now, showing kind of a rough cut there, and the sample that you're showing here is kind of a wavy. I Bill Brisley: That's the retaining wall and this is the building wall. The retaining wall has this shape added... Keystone. Farmakes: Why the changing of the shape? Why not, can you be consistent with the shape down there? �I Bill Brisley: That's a possibility. This is a product that Keystone makes that looks like that. The way it's shaped... There's an Allen block that gives this shape. They all have to have �I some kind of... Mancino: Bill, I have one question. What is the ... the little squares. As clean and as simple as that design is, now we have these little squares underneath the lights. Bill Brisley: That's a design element that came from the original shopping center. They're ceramic tile or a material called Spectaglare. Kind of a ceramic tile ... kind of a concrete block... We put that on Market Square ... so all of the lights are exactly... Medallion pattern and �I the gooseneck burgundy lamp. It's virtually the same... Mancino: But the reason why you had that on Market Square I is, for when you have those 'I peaked areas, and I don't know what those are called. They needed some sort of architectural element and they used the squares there to give an architectural element. Do you feel that that's still needed here? 't Bill Brisley: That's a real strong tie-in ... has a unique aspect to their business. They were ff going to provide us with... materials. I think the tie -in is the most important thing. The combination of the lighting and the tile... f 13 1 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 Mancino: Any other questions at this time? Mehl: Yeah. From the last time that we were talking about this, and we determined that that wall in the parking lot was going to be about 6 feet tall. Is there any limitations with this ' Keystone block as to how high you can go? Bill Brisley: It will work, 5 -6 something like that. We're doing 4. It has to be engineered. And then when they do that, they put in a fabric that attaches to the block and runs back underneath the dirt so the dirt holds that down... Mehl: But doesn't the wall have to be slanted back... ' Bill Brisley: A little bit ... if they're engineered, they can go straight up. Mehl: Okay, thank you. ' Mancino: Any other questions at this time? Thank you. Dale Almquist: Good evening. Dale Almquist from Redmond Products, 28930 West 78th. Last time I was here, well first of all I wanted to say as far as the materials of the building, I certainly understand the vote the Planning Commission has in a recommendation but I hope you will also consider Redmond's vote that we are doing quite a bit behind this product. We think very highly of the way that the owner has designed it and planning to build it. It's a beautiful building and we're putting an awful lot into it... As far as the signage, I'm here to ' make the same speech I made two weeks ago... compelling reason why this should be a variance issue. But I think two weeks ago we were asking for signs on only three sides of the building... we're asking for the fourth. That's the difference. We think that there is a very good reason, and I'm going to repeat what it was two weeks ago and then add to that. This is not a building with a front and a back. It's a four sided building that has four very important exposures. In a sense four front sides. The side facing West 78th. Then the side facing the rest of the shopping center. And on our front entrance, which is of course very important to us. That we have a sign above our own front door. I'm going to ask you to put yourselves in our shoes, which of those three sides would you give up if you were us? If you were forced to have only two. But the way we dealt with it, I think we try to deal with it as creatively as possible and to think of the reason behind the ordinance which I think is more of an aesthetic one rather than well, if you allow one person to do it, everybody's going to ask for it. We try ' to keep aesthetics in mind as a primary consideration and I think we came up with a very creative solution, and that is to make the sign look like it's actually been etched in the building. Carved, chiseled into the building. And very pleasantly lit at night with that illumination. It's not going to be your typical commercial backlit canopies stuck on the side 14 Planning ommission Meeting - March 6 1996 1 g g of a building. It's going to have a very unique and elegant look. In no way garish and in no � way overly emphasized and sticking a person in the eye but it's going to send .a really specific and nice message I think to both community and customer that's a very elegant site. We really are begging for that. I don't know what else to do but that's very important to us to have that signage on three sides. When you say that—so thank you very much. Vernelle Clayton: I guess I don't have to explain why we were saying three ... and now four. Because of the change in the type of signs and the fact that they—blend in with the building so we'd like to have one on the north side, one on the west, one on the east ... look better than one here and one here. This one on three sides. Not on the side that faces the ... we'd be happy to work with staff for another couple weeks and bring some definition to it. We'd like to, for you to separate that issue from the rest ... so with that, I guess we're going to say briefly... Market Square is at ... Market Square III is a part of that shopping center so this... The building needs to look much more like Market Square than Market Square II aucid we need to... It will house an exciting new concept in marketing for Chanhassen, brought to us by one of our most highly regarded ... It will be an exciting addition to Market Square and ... intent of the comprehensive plan in achieving excellence and originality of design, as well as assuring that there's a plan for the PUD...Thanks very much. Mancino: Vernelle, I have just a couple questions, and I don't know if Bill would like to answer them too. One of the, I went over and took a look at Market Square I and one of the things that I saw with the stucco, because you have used stucco over there. You've used wood on the top. You've used on the back of it just block, etc. So there are quite a different materials there. I did notice with the stucco that when you change signs, so that when there is a new tenant and there may be this, that it leaves quite a stain on the stucco. And I also �I saw that the lettering, the signage underneath on the stucco, underneath the signage, there was a lot of discolor on the stucco also. Is there any way to eliminate that on this building? Because I'm thinking of this long term. I mean this is going to be in Chanhassen for 40 years and do you dust need to re- stucco the surface all the time? What is the maintenance, especially when you're putting on new signs and you're asking for pretty good size signage. Vernelle Clayton: Of course if we go with the second alternative, that would not be the same issue. Then we would ... using the same material for the sign... I don't know that that's a real good answer for that sign. It's just as ... almost works when you take the signs on brick. 'I I'm not saying that's—We have a rule at Market Square II that the only place you can attach signs is to the grout, and that helps some but they don't always follow the rules. It's a problem with wood... Changing signs are a problem. I suspect the only real way to solve is it to repaint the whole area where the sign was removed... We can of course fill up the holes and we should—Do you have anything else to add about...? '� 15 11 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 I Bill Brisley: Well I think the thing to do is for ... it is a very thin scale on the stucco material. Almost the last coat. These systems are sometimes 10 deep. It's the very last thing they do is they put the color on it. They call it dashing. F, I II 1 Mancino: Okay, dashing. So there could be something in our conditions about the maintenance above the signage, etc and the stucco. And I did notice some peeling off, some big pieces of stucco off near Festival Foods too on, I think it's on the columns, etc. So I was thinking about maintenance, etc. Vernelle Clayton: We've had a terrible time... We've had ... done about three times. Bill Brisley: Those are made out of fiberglass and plaster combination. They're kind of a prototype and there's something funny about those particular ones because we have them elsewhere and they're not peeling. So that's getting... Mancino: The plaster adhering to the. Bill Brisley: The paint can't adhere to plastic. It's just keeps popping off. It's the paint that's coming off. Farmakes: The biggest thing that you're proposing is, it's in the material correct? The coloration? Bill Brisley: Yes. Mancino: Of the stucco. Bill Brisley: It's the final coat. The coloration. Farmakes: Right. It's not ... the Italian restaurant that you showed at the beginning which was painted. Mancino: Yeah, it has kind of a faux finish on the... Bill Brisley: That was a really expensive wall. Mancino: Thank you. Open this to a public hearing. May I have a motion please, and a second. 16 Planning ommission Meeting - March 6, 1996 1 g g Farmakes moved, Skubic seconded to open the public healing. The public heating was �� opened. Mancino: Anyone wishing to address the Planning Commission at this time, please do. Seeing none, may I have a motion to close the public hearing, And a second. Meyer- moved, Farmakes seconded to close the public heating. The public heating was closed. Mancino: Comments. Questions from commissioners. And I think that most of the comments will center around the three main points that Vernelle brought up tonight. One is in materials and the architecture and design of the building. That we ask for further exploration. And the signage and whether we want to wait on that and see more detail. And the third item was the retaining wall materials, used for the retaining wall. Jeff if you would like to start on this? 17 11 Farmakes: The credibility for arguments is understandable. You talk about the ... you have civic on one side and you have this on the other and the PUD issue, inevitably they're going to have that because you have the ... You have an area where the public has an interest. And certainly the position of this property is somewhat penalized by that. It's adjacent to civic property. It's a concern I think. Now the applicant I think has done a good job of taking what the critique was and coming back with essentially the same shape building but dealing with the issues of modifying the materials into the detail. It's a good example there, it really doesn't require a whole lot adding to the building to create a lot more character to the building, and that's really what the issue is ... standard strip mall type building or is there something extra to it. And how the foundation structure, the stone has been integrated now into the retaining wall is good. Very good. The material, the rough cut of the material is also very good. It creates a texture to it. It gives it character. It counteracts the smoothness of the stucco up above, which is broke up by these recessed areas also... Gives it character. When the sun changes in town, it makes it interesting. The issue of stucco, you spent a lot of time talking about stucco. I don't think that there's really a problem or criticism with stucco as much as the color and the argument being made that it's a continuation of gray from the Market I area. That was an absolute. The problem I have with that is that out of the retail argument, that's not an open air shopping center. Any place in Chanhassen in reality, retail is a destination shopping. People don't wander up and down the concourse to shoe. They dust don't... If you look at the reality of the situation in town, and other suburbs, it's destination shopping. You go to Festival Foods because you need groceries. You need bread. Pick up the stuff and you may drop off something at the mail place or pick up an ice cream cone but you're out of there, and they're short periods of shopping. I'm not sure that the argument... that I'm seeing tonight is a sort of a build -up of that. Where we're saying the building's going ` 17 11 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 to somewhat change. The color's changed. I'm seeing it as a different building. I'm not seeing it as a continuation. So I think it's been modified. Although that was not a requirement, and to confuse everybody but that was not a requirement, I think a big deal of what our criticism was. I just didn't feel that it was a compelling reason to say that that should be a... So I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about that. I think that what's nice about this, again is that it chose but without increasing a great deal the cost of the building, some of these simple things being done to the building that really creates a nicer building than what was here. Some modification to the color. I think the color's much better. I think it's much more current and I think we can, hopefully use some of that to ... early 80's retail thinking out of this picture and try to come up to the situation where the public appreciates this. The public appreciates it and they associate this with disposable income. They perceive the value of this buildings are higher, that the businesses in them. And hopefully we can continue to do that and I think we tried to do that in a couple of the out buildings here. I think we were very successful with Wendy's. I think we were limitedly successful with the other building but again, that was kind of a mix and match trade off type situation. I really like, as I said before, how the retaining wall ... creates kind of a wavy band or wavy pattern. But I would like to offer that if you consider cap stoning this. It's nice how that would be in relationship to the cap stone ... and possibly being a lighter color with the dark color. Again, that's the issue now... Mancino: And you talk about compatibility with the rest of the Richfield and with the bank that's to the west. Farmakes: In terms of signage? Mancino: Well actually materials, etc. Farmakes: Well, they're real consistent. I don't think it's to be interpreted as the same as. Sc I think the PUD issue, I think in terms of quality, rather than architectural issues when we talk about that. In other words, is it a wooden clapboard type structure versus a stone ' structure. That's what... I don't see that as a problem where it's a different structure we're talking about ... so that may be a little bit a stretch of the imagination but it has some of the elements of that. Whether or not it's compared to a more contemporary structure, the ' Richfield building in materials I don't think is really something we should get hung up on... I think the quality of the building is nice, particularly... The big issue we're talking about I think is the issue of signs. I read in the paper there, the City Council upheld the issue of Applebee's with additional signage. And with the previous meeting, our previous meeting, the one 2 weeks ago, we talked about the issue of the tire operation. And I think we should be consistent on how we deal with this and if the City Council feels, in their wisdom that they ' wish to seek out compromises in this PUD ... I think we're going to be creating a lot of 18 Planning ommission Meeting _ March 6 1996 g g problems. We have an applicant who's come in who has a customer who is committed to this building. They would like to be in this building but the building's going to be here for a long period of time. The customer may not. This operation is a new thing for this company, may or may not be a success. And someone else may be there 10 years from now. I'm not sure that the issue of, if it's carved in your, it appears to be carved in or painted out:. It doesn't seem to me that the issues, for aesthetic reasons that were put in to signage, that that's going to solve that. That's just a way to get around that... If I was Applebee's I would be, why them and not me. The building certainly could be more accessible to sight lines. And in Chanhassen, we certainly have a low, low necessity competition for visual. We've seen these buildings. Everybody believes that ... these buildings, that they're... where they're located and everybody in this room knows. Chanhassen isn't going to be up there and there's not going to be hopefully that many more structures coming in here. To identify the building for the local customers, you certainly have to see this from Highway 55 so, but you I don't think so. Or TH 5 or TH 7 or you know, with our 80 foot pylon signs on the highway so they can see us 20 miles down the road. I know that as you look as the city develops, these types of restrictions that we're putting on are a moderation tool to ... retail in the city. But they are adding to the small... You're not seeing these columns made of plastic up and clown the street. As more and more buildings come up, you ... that moderation. I think people like it. I think that that falls in line with 90's retail and I think I've talked too much so. Mancino: So you would be in favor of denying the variance for four signs? Or do you want to see. Farmakes: I would like to see that, the applicant has expressed an interest in looking at variations with staff ..come up with looking at options that may be a solution to that. I'm not sure that painting on one is a solution in my mind but if the city could come up and look at that issue... Mancino: Okay, Don. Mehl: I think a lot of the improvements have been shown here over the last time. I'm really very happy with the rock faced wall. We've been presented with a lot of things here this evening that staff hasn't had an opportunity to look at, and respond to. I guess I might be D supportive of a motion to table it and let them have the opportunity to do that zmd then through our discussion here we can perhaps give them some guidelines and guidance as to which way to go. Mancino: Okay, Farmakes: I'd agree. 19 11 11 �J 1 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 Mancino: You would agree to that? Okay. Bob. Skubic: I like the rock faced block. I think I agree with the three other commissioners that there have been some improvements and, regarding the signage, I appreciate the applicant attempting to meet the intent of our sign ordinance and it may be something that aesthetically is consistent with what we're trying to do in the city. However, unless staff can somehow make that work with the letter of the ordinance, I wouldn't be in favor of supporting signage on the four walls. Aanenson: Could I make some clarification? Just for your edification. We did not notice for a variance so at this point, if they're leaning that way, we have to go back and re- notice so we kind of want to separate those two issues. If they want, unless it's integral to their design and they want to get site plan approval... Mancino: Which they've already said they don't need that. Aanenson: Right. So I would, if it's okay with the applicant, I'd separate those two issues because we haven't noticed for a variance. Therefore we cannot consider that at this point. So if you want to just consider the site plan portion at this point. Mancino: And then do we need to make a motion about the signage or just ask for it to come back? Aanenson: They have a right to come back with a separate sign... unless they want to make it integral to the site plan. They don't want to approve it without the sign. Skubic: I believe we're heading towards tabling this so those type of things can be... Farmakes: ...clarify that, what were the options...? Aanenson: Well, you have to go back and look at what we did for the entertainment. We looked at that as something unique. They certainly a right to try for a variance. I guess we'd want them to demonstrate to you the reasons behind that ... some concerns about, we talk about changing the types of signs ... But again, we'd like to separate those two because we didn't elicit. If you want to give some direction on ... that would help the staff.. If you want to move forward with the site plan. Sharmin did have a chance to review this with them even though we didn't get a chance with the site plan. We didn't see the complete presentation but Sharmin spent a lot of time working with them between the time the staff report went out and tonight's meeting. 20 Planning ommission Meeting - March 6 1996 g g Mancino: But she didn't have time to write conditions to the new? Aanenson: Right. But really where the changes are ... So if you're comfortable... Mancino: Okay, Mike. Ii Meyer: No comments. I like the direction that it's gone so far. I think it's great. I guess signage is a problem... Mancino: Ladd. 11 Conrad: I'm not going to make any comments but just some recommendations to the Planning Commission. I don't think I'd table the plat. I think staff is, can review materials. I think we've looked at them. I'd send that along. I'd sure table the signage issue. Mancino: Thank you. Craig. I Peterson: I agree with Ladd. I think another mitigation factor is that we don't have another session for 4 weeks. Working session next time so ... them from getting going on the project. �I So if staff is comfortable, I certainly am. I'm recommending going forward. Mancino: My comments are. First to thank the applicant with coming back with a very good presentation. I really appreciate it. And as you can see it makes it much easier when a presentation is this well done for us to make decisions and quickly and feel like: we're good Planning Commissioners for our community. When I came in tonight I must admit I was concerned about the rock faced foundation because it's certainly something that I would not choose. I must admit. But to see it with the stucco and how you explained it will look and seeing it now, you've convinced me so thank you for the good presentation. I feel comfortable going ahead with the site plan review. I think what we needed to help each other with a few of the add on conditions. Before we do, Vernelle? One of the things that we wanted to put and I think it should be part of the conditions. The trash enclosure. That the material will be made out of That is the kind of last material things and that's something that you can work with the staff about but making sure that it is compatible and I'm not even sure if that's a condition right now. May I have a motion... Farmakes: I'll make a recommendation that the Council approve the site plan for Market Square III ( #95 -22) as shown on the site plan dated February 7, 1996 with the following conditions. Or should we delete the issue or first clarify the issue of the signage? Mancino: Signage. '! 21 1 I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 I Al -Jaffa What you might want to do is propose the signage as proposed by staff and at a future date, if they wanted a variance to the criteria that has been approved here, they can come back. F Aanenson: Or you can leave it off completely. Whatever the applicant's may wish. Farmakes: I'm comfortable with the way you have it here. I would like to make a ... on the retaining wall materials. A recommendation that they have a ... consistency with the architecture of the main structure for the retaining wall. Did you want to tie in with the retaining wall...? Mancino: Yeah, I'd like to add a friendly amendment, or 21 that the applicant and staff work on the materials for the trash enclosure. That they be compatible with the building, architecture materials. Farmakes: I added one so it'd be 22. Mancino: 22. 23, do we need to add that the materials used for the building being what was presented, precisely what was presented tonight. That would be 23. Is there a second to the motion? Mancino: Any further discussion? Peterson: Second. Meyer: Do we need to formally delete number 12? It's crossed out. Mancino: Number 12 is crossed out. Do we need to delete that? Aanenson: We do that when it goes to Council... Mancino: Thank you. Any other discussion? Mehl: One comment on your new 22. The trash enclosure. Is that, do I understand that that's a three sided structure that they roof and doors on it? Mancino: I don't think there's a roof but it's three sided with a door. Mehl: With a door? Fla Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 Mancino: Yes. Mehl: Okay. So people driving out along the road won't be able to look in to a bunch of P p g g dumpsters and boxes and whatever. Mancino: Yes, correct. Mehl: Okay. I just wanted to make sure that it had doors. u Mancino: Any other discussion? 11 Faimakes moved, Peteison seconded that the Planning Commission recommends that the City Council approve the Site Plan for Maitet Square III ( 495 -22 SPR) as shown on the site plan dated February 7, 1996, with the following conditions: 1. The applicant shall enter into a site plan agreement with the city and provide the necessary financial security to guarantee compliance with the conditions of approval. 2. The applicant must obtain a sign permit prior to erecting any signage on site. There is �I one existing monument sign on the site. The sign meets the following criteria: a. The height of the monument sign shall not exceed 12' 10" (the height of the existing Market Square sign). b. The sign shall contain no more than 41 square feet of sign area per face. c. The sign shall be constructed to reflect the architectural style of the Market Square shopping center. d. The owner of each monument sign shall be responsible for it's construction, repair, maintenance and /or replacement. The applicant is showing wall mounted signs on four elevations. The plans must be amended to meet the following criteria: a. The letters and logos shall be restricted to 30 inches in height and must be lighted. b. All individual letters and logos comprising each sign shall have a minimum depth of five inches and shall be constructed with a translucent facing over neon tube illumination. c. The signage shall be located on a maximum of two elevations of the buildings to be constructed. �i 23 1 l I Planning Commission Meeting - March 6, 1996 3. Approval of the site plan is contingent upon the consolidation of Lots 2 and 3 into one lot. 4. Fire Marshal conditions: a. A ten foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants. City Ordinance 9 -1. (Relocate the Skyline Locust a minimum of ten feet away from the fire hydrant.) ' Cross reference page SD -5 and SD -3. b. Comply with the following policies: 04 -1991 - copy enclosed 34 -1993 - copy enclosed 07 -1191 - copy enclosed 35 -1994 - copy enclosed 29 -1992 - copy enclosed 36 -1994 - copy enclosed c. "No Parkin Fire Lane" signs along with yellow painted curbing shall be provided Parking g g y p g p o ded on the entrance road east of the proposed building. Sign spacing must comply with Policy 406 -1991. Copy enclosed. 5. Park and trail dedication fees shall be paid to the city pursuant to the city ordinances and City Council resolutions at the rate then in force upon building permit application. 6. The applicant must provide staff with preservation plans for the eight (8) existing trees. The applicant may not leave existing oaks and spruce in place during grading, if grading is to come within ten feet of the tree. All existing and new trees will be guaranteed for ' two years. 7. The applicant shall provide access on the southwest corner of the building to Market ' Square mall sidewalk. 8. The applicant shall verify that 31 feather reed grass plants will be used for landscaping. 9. The width of the existing drive aisle along the south side of the development shall be increased to a minimum of 26 feet wide face -to -face. All driveway curb cut openings shall be a minimum of 26 feet wide face -to -face as well. 10. The applicant shall work with city staff in relocating the existing utility and traffic ' control boxes and the existing oak trees along West 78th Street. The plans shall be revised accordingly. The applicant shall dedicate to the city a utility easement for the traffic control box if it is located outside of the city's right -of -way or utility and drainage easements. 1 24 Planning Commission Meeting e March 6, 1996 11. The steps along the southwest corner of the building shall be relocated approximately 30 feet to the east. 12. On the south parking lot, the westerly shall be eliminated or the length of the parking stalls lengthened by four feet. The applicant shall add a retaining wall or equivalent concrete wall between the southerly sidewalk and the southerly parking lot where the deviation is greater than one foot in height. 13. The applicant shall enter into an encroachment agreement with the city for the trash enclosure and landscaping materials located within the city's drainage and utility easement. The trash enclosure may be relocated to the northeasterly corner of the parking lot. 14. The erosion control plan shall be revised to extend erosion control Type 11 fence along the south side of the construction limits. The plans shall incorporate the City's erosion control detail plate for Type I erosion control fence. 15. Construction access shall be limited to the interior driveways and not from West 78th Street or Kerber Boulevard. 16. The landscape plan shall be revised to show the proposed sidewalks and steps on the south side of the building and relocate plant materials accordingly. 17. The applicant shall dedicate to the city a street and utility easement over the west five feet of the northerly 60 feet of the lot. 18. The applicant shall apply for and obtain the necessary utility permits for extension of utilities to the building from the City's Building Department. 19. All roof top equipment shall be screened. 20. The retaining wall shall be consistent with the architecture of the main building. 21. The hash enclosure shall be compatible with the architecture and materials of the building. 22. Materials used shall be precisely what was pilesented to the Planning Commission in the applicant's presentation. All voted in favor and the motion caned unanimously. fl 25