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TO: Scott Botcher, City Manager
FROM:
DATE:
SUB J:
Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director
February 8, 2001
Livable Communities Act - Discussion
At the work session on February 12th, I will review with the City Council the
history, law, and the City's goals under the Livable Communities Act. It appears
there is some confusion regarding the intention of the 30% affordability.
Attached are the minutes from November 13, 2000 regarding that discussion. I
will be prepared to further explain staff's interpretation at the work session.
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City Council Meeting - November 13, 2000
EVALUATION OF GOALS AND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION FOR CONTINUED
PARTICIPATION IN THE LIVABLE COMMUNITIES ACT.
Public Present:
Name Address
Steven Berquist
Jean Mancini
Kay & Tom Faust
Mel Kurver
Jerome Carlson
Susan Hallberg
7207 Frontier Trail
820 Santa Vera Drive
541 Mission Hills Drive
7240 Kurvers Point Road
6950 Galpin Boulevard
411 Del Rio Drive
Kate Aanenson: Thank you. Itl 1995 tile City originally agreed to participate in tile Livable
Communities Act and in that original agreement we reserved the right to re-negotiate the goals every 2
years so this would be the end of the second )'ear to renew the goals. Attached are the goals to
participate and staff is recommending that these goals not change. As a part of the comprehensive plan,
the housing element was updated consistent with the requirements of the Metropolitan Council. The
Metropolitan Council following state law does require the housing section and our densities and diversity
of housing type is a requirement of that. Our comprehensive plan was approved by the Met Council and
it is my opinion that if we deviate from some of this that we will not be in compliance with the
Metropolitan Council. I made an overhead of these standards and I included in )'our packetjust a
summary of some of the projects. We're one of the model communities. Just to look at what we're
doing as far as densities.' As you recall, we looked at the single family and xvhat we've done in the past
where originally we did a lot of research. 'Looking at the goals and what we could do for single family
detached and historically we had done 1.8. That was what was approved in the 1991 comprehensive plan
and we left that as it was. \Vhat the Metropolitan Council said we had to achieve in order to be in
compliance with the, get our comp plan in compliance, was get it closer to 3 for an average. That meant
under the multi-family you get closer to the 9 to 10. I've also included ill >'our packet some of the multi
family projects and single family projects to shoxv you kind of where xve've been xvith densities. Some of
the single families actually have been a little bit closer to 2. But tile multi family again is, it's been a
range again depending on if it's medium density or high density. We don't have that many high density
zoned properties in the community. One of the things that we looked at in putting this together is we
look at the Bluff Creek overlay district where we're trying to accomplish this sensitivity of the landforms
that we're probably doing some more clustering and have to be doing some zone changes. But we
haven't been providing also as far as single family or in a rental, xve haven't been providing subsidy. The
last one we provided subsidy for the ownership was in North Bay and that was a number of years ago.
The last projects that we've received affordability credit have been just based on market rate. They've
come in at that point. Whatever, every year those numbers change but we get credit if units come in
under the affordability index. And I'll go through what that is right noxv. Right now for the single family
affordability would be anything under $134,000 to 150 so if a product comes in under that we would just
get credit for that. Again, that's just for the market rate. The rental, some of the numbers will be
increasing for 2001. What your motion says on the front page is staff would recommend the Council
approve the 2000. It should say 2001 because this would be for next year. The rents have gone up
slightly so the median income at 50% of 31. I'm on page 2. On $31,000 would be $34,000. Again we
did try to do, we looked at when Villages on the Pond came in, that last project and the council made a
decision that the 20,000 gap differential was too high so we did provide subsidy in that so tile last rental
subsidy that we looked at that we got credit for was on the senior housing project. So we haven't done
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any rental subsidy. Again keeping in mind it's not always, our goal is a number of different things. It's
not always the affordability. It's also the life cycle and the different types of product which we're trying
to achieve. The other thing I wanted to point out, I put in here building permit activity. I wanted to point
out for you, this is the lowest number of single family detached housing that we've done in the city since
the 1980's. Part of that is there's getting to be a pretty large spread between the townhouse type product
and the single family detached. There are lots on, there is land available. We 'know there's some other
single products that's coming on board but those tend to be $300-400 plug.so there is a big price spread.
If you look at the building permit activity I included in your packet, the chart. We're down with what we
have approved this year as far as building activities as far as...closer to th~ 300, is that we approved 162
as far as Villages on the Pond. Otherwise our building permit for residential xvould be very loxv. We've
also approved the 350 as far as Powers Ridge but that probably won't occur until next year. Again we
don't have a lot of single family detached product on the market yet. That seems to be moving a lot
slower. So again diversity is an issue and as I pointed out, so is the density factor. Again just on the
multi family which we haven't done a lot of so, with that it's the staffs recommendation that we
continue to support the goals as was originally approved. We did modify those. Let me back up. We did
modify those. The owner and renter mix because we felt there was not way we could achieve that based
on patterns that had happened itl the past. And maybe I could just make one other comment as far as
what's available. That was the building permit actMty. You can see where we've had the higher spikes
when we've actually had more product. In 1995 where you see the high spike, that was the first :),ear we
actually did more attached product than detached. When I'm talking detached I'm saying it's a
traditional single family detached so that was the first :),ear. And again this year what brought us up is the
fact that we did some apartments. I just want to shoxv too where we are as far' as land availability. As far
as multi family. As you're aware, we approved the comprehensive plan amendment for Eckankar which
did have some multi family zoning. Otherwise what's left in the cun'ent MUSA is the Gorra property.
That's the only other piece. \Ve do have the Pulte project that's going to the Planning Commission and
they're asking fora land use change. That's going to the Planning Commission tomorrow. And the rest
of it, in the southern part of the city would be probably the Moon Valle:)' piece or again as we talked
about, some of the clustering.
Mayor Mancino: Don't we have some medium density along the northern part of212, just south of
Lyman also?
Kale Aanenson: Excuse me, medium density. As far as high density right, that would be tile only piece.
High density would be...and the Moon Valle:), but you're correct. There is some medium density itl the,
along 212 between the Degler property. Part of the Degler property and going towards 212.
Mayor Mancino: Okay. Thank you. \Veil let's get a fexv questions and then we'll allow people to speak.
Mark, do :)'ou have any just questions for staffat this point?
Councilman Senn: No questions.
Mayor Mancino: Linda?
Councilwoman Jansen: No questions.
Mayor Mancino: Steve?
Councihnan Labatt: No.
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Mayor Mancino: I have a couple Kate. Number one. When I look at the goals for November, 2000. Do
you think they're, I mean obviously you've recommended going ahead. Do you have any concerns that
it's unrealistic as far as rental new construction? Because you 'knox',, we changed our goals. We modified
them. They were very aggressive in 1995 and we kind of looked at those goals again in '97 and '98 and
we backed off on some of those goals so I just wondered from your evaluation as you look forward.
Kate Aanenson: Again xvhen the Met Council put these forward to the cofnmunities, they said these are
long term goals and we also told you that we're going to be moving closer' and moving away and
depending on where we are in the cycle of land availability and product that's coming on board. Are we
going to meet all the goals? Probably not. We know that Villages on the Pond, some of the things that
we anticipated in there as far as maybe some affordable rental may not hapS)eh. But I think that in good
faith we're trying to get close to those goals. I think looking at what we put together in the
comprehensive plan as far as land use and we ran the numbers as far as on the GIS, looking at land
availability and the different zoning districts. Yes, I think those are two. The thing that's going to be
difficult is the affordability component. So is tile cits' assisting or whether we get some other assistance
fi'om somewhere else. It's difficult for the city to make up affordable units. It's just impossible without
some other type of assistance. And that's something that's broader than the City of Chanhassen. That's
a metropolitan or state issue.
Mayor MancJno: So you're comfortable that we can reach then. That if we don't, we don't.
Kate Aanenson: Well I think what we showed them and what we told them through tile comprehensive
plan effort is that in good faith we're trying to provide diversity of housing and that's our goal. We're
also trying to with each project look at affordability if we can accomplish it and we've given, every time
we've had a project we've looked at it. For example~ the one at Villages, the numbers just didn't work
and they understand that. \Ve shared that information with the Met Council before Target. The council
made decision that financially thatjust didn't make sense and they understood that. So I think what
we're trying to sa5' is in good faith we're taking each project, taking our time. Doing our due diligence
and that's what their expectation of us is.
Mayor Mancino: What's happened to the market rate, those that have come ill affordable to begin with?
For instance I'm thinking of Mission Hills. There ,,',:ere quite a few of those that came in that met the
affordable Met Council's definition. Now years later you know they're market driven.
Kale Aanenson: Well what's happened is as we've had a smaller supply of affordability or things in a
certain price point, the demand for those go up and when there's all increased demand, the price can go
up so when there's a smaller, and this is metro wide. If there's not a lot of product under $134,000, it
moves very fast and you can ask a lot for it just because there isn't a lot in that price point. So when
there's a scarcity of product, unfortunately it drives the price up. Again, in our conversation with the
Met Council, our due diligence is to try to bring that product in at a certain price. \Ve don't want to
discourage anybody from improving their property, finishing it off, maintaining it and achieving more
when they sell it. We found that experience in some of the product in North Bay where actually tile>, had
accelerated really high because there's not a lot of detached, small lot in the community and some of
those were desirable and so they actually increased in value a lot higher than, and sooner than we
anticipated. But our goal is to try to provide that opportunity for somebody to get in.
Mayor Mancino: And obviously we don't control that. What's the only way that we can control that? Is
that through subsidy?
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Kate Aanenson: That's one way, yeah. I'm not sure, it's a broader issue.
Scott Botcher: I don't think, I mean personally I don't think you can control it. That's the marketplace.
I mean being more of a free market guy anyxvay, I just think that you can't do it over the long term. Like
Kate said with Villages on the Ponds project, the numbers were really ugly and we didn't, as you all
knoxv, we didn't choose to do that so, I mean I think the issue of affordability is broader than the city of
Chanhassen. I think that until such time as state or regional authorities dedide to provide funding or
assistance to have these reduce the negative impacts on affordability, citie~ like Chanhassen and our
neighbors are not really going to be able to do much on the affordability issue, nor is it necessarily
equitable for the city of Chanhassen necessarily to provide housing dollars for, when some of our
neighbors aren't. I know we had this discussion xvith Shel's project but that's the reality. It is a region
wide issue and.
Mayor Mancino: \Vell we didn't like the strings attached.
Scott Botcher: Well I mean tile strings are attached because region wide there's no financial plan. I
mean Met Council simply has not a very workable financial plan for the dMsion of affordable housing.
Personal opinion.
Mayor Mancino: But we will as a city, much like we did for senior housing for Centennial Hills, we will
look at that for senior affordable housing and rental.
Scott Botcher: Certainly tile council can make whatever policy decision they want and even on the
financials with any specific project, you can decide that it:s in tile best interest or not and there are
projects that people come and speak to us about that the financial investment on the part of the city is
such that it's more palatable. But again in the long term the market, and I think you've talked about
North Bay and I think Kate talked about some other sites, ultimately the market governs. In housing and
everythi,lg else, ultimately the market governs.
Mayor Mancino: Okay. Any other comments? A lot of people are here tonight. Would you like to
come up and please if you'd like to speak to the council. Take just a minute or two. We'd love to hear
what you have to sa3' about this particular, the Livable Communities Act. Please state 3'our name and
address.
Steve Berquist: My name is Steve Berquist. I live at 7207 Frontier Trail, and I wrote sonle things out
because oft times I'm not particularly as organized as I'd like to be when I'm off the cuff. And I
understand the problem that we have with marketplace driven like tile economies. And acceptance of
Livable Communities Act does not necessarily mean that we subsidize to make things affordable. It
simply means in my estimation that we try to provide as wide a variety of housing stock as we possibly
can. So I'll use the word life cycle a few times in my comments. I'm here to advocate for Chanhassen's
continued commitment to Livable Communities Act, and you'll forgive me. I haven't been here for a
while so I'm a little nervous, although I'm not sure why. The LCA has a carrot and stick approach to
asking communities what is inherently in their best interest anyway. By adopting the Livable
Communities Act and reaffirming your stated and outlined goals to provide a wide variety of housing
options, we as Chanhassen provide ourselves with the possibilities of receiving state funds for use in our
community for a wide variety of immediate and hopefully future needs. By adopting the Livable
Communities Act and continuing to strive for mixed densities and density transfers in projects where it's
appropriate, we provide ourselves with controlled growth that addresses the needs of all of our citizens.
By adopting the Livable Communities Act and working to educate people as to what it means to
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Chanhassen, we can continue to provide housing opportunities to people that are desirous of and
desirable to Chanhassen. Putting in paces xvith life cycle housing, putting it with that phrase I think is
important. I'm talking about housing that will be rented or owned by school teachers, bank tellers, auto
mechanics, dental hygienists, retail employees, clerks, nurses, child care workers, cooks, receptionists,
janitors, church employees, newspaper reporters and many other people that are vital to the overall
efficiency, economy and the needs of the community. I'm talking about housing that will be rented or
owned by young adults that are just entering the work forces. My children. Your children. Their
children. My parents. Their parents. Their parents. They may be, but they also may be doctors, airline
pilots, attorneys, manufacturing professionals, or any other career you can name. You look at the list of
professionals that live over at Walnut Grove and it will astound you. I'm talking about empty nesters and
retired people that have chosen to downsize into something with less cost. Less upkeep or simply less
footage. In other words, what we're talking here is about everyone except those who are in the prime of
adulthood in terms of their earning power and their ambition. Everyone else. Now providing housing
options for every indMdual who contributes to a community, no matter how small or large the
contribution, tax xvise or otherwise, should be the goal. Our current comprehensive plan speaks to it very
well, and I'll bore you with the six points, five points that I highlighted. Number one is a balanced
housing and supply available for all income levels. Number two is accommodation of racial and ethnic
groups in the purchase, sale, rental and location of housing. Number three is a variety of housing types
for people in all stages of the life cycle. Number four is a community of well maintained housing and
neighborhoods, including ownership and rental. And number five is development that respects our
environment and tries to accommodate a wide variety of housing types and costs. Those of us in the
community that believe that adoption of the Livable Communities _Act will bring loxv income housing and
turn us into Brooklyn Center are unknowing of the problems regarding housing and thus far are fearful
for their families, and I understand that. Prior to the election there was a letter in the Chanhassen
Villager and it made the misanthropic assertion that life cycle housing will allow Chanhassen to become
a haven for $6.00 per hour people that we don't want here. It's impossible to intelligently address a
statement like that. I can onli5, say that the adoption of the Livable Communities Act does not mean
housing values will drop and that crime will rise. It does not mean that Chanhassen will be over run with
the poor and indigent seeking asylum. It means that we're committed to providing housing opportunities
for each and every member of our community, be they young, old, or inbetween. Regardless of the size
of their pay checks. In my opinion it's good business, it's good for the community and it's morally
upright. I urge you as a citizen to demonstrate ),our commitment to doing what is right for the entire
community of Chanhassen and reaffirm our commitment to the Livable Communities Act. Thank you.
Mayor Mancino: Thank you. Please state >'our name and address and just pull it down.
Kay Faust: Mi5' name is Kay Faust and I'm one of the Mission Hills people after having lived 35 years
right up there by the public school. And I'm very distressed that Chanhassen turned into an elitist
community. I look over 25-30 ),ears ago, the ciD' of Jonathan was developed with all income groups and
it still exists with all income groups because somehow there was insight on affordable housing for
people. Somehow Chanhassen should look at itself and figure out a way to make housing affordable for
the newly weds. For all the people Steve brought up. They're good, hard working people. Maybe they
make less than $100,000 a ),ear but they're hard working people. They work just as hard. I've heard a
few young people that have said we work hard for our money. They're about 35 ),ears old and they're
living in $400,000 homes and so they don't want a lower group of people coming, or not group of people
but a lower income housing brought in because they think they worked hard. Well everybody works hard
for their money. If they make $6.00 an hour, they work hard for their money. And so I feel, I'm very
much for renewing the livability act and I feel that somehow the people of Chanhassen should get
together with developers or whoever, and tO' and work out affordable housing for these other people that
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make less income. Even of course Mission Hills is even market have gone up. In two years. But
somehow this has to be controlled because ifI wanted to stay home today and take care of my children
like I did, like I was able to do when we moved to Chanhassen and built a brand nexv house, a nice home,
I couldn't do it today. I'd have to go out and work and you know, and so I wish other people would have
that opportunity too. To live here and raise their families. Thank you.
Mayor Mancino: Thank you.
Councilwoman Jansen: Thank you.
Mayor Mancino: Please, more people get up that would like to. We knew'that this was a concern.
Jerome Carlson: My name is Jerome Carlson, 6950 Galpin, well Chanhassen calls it Boulevard.
Excelsior calls it Lake Road. Take 3'our choice. It's actually an Excelsior mailing address but I'm not
sure why. I have a statement which I would like to distribute when I'm through to the council and to the
~nembers, and it's dated today, November 13, 2000. Dear Mayor Mancino and Council members. I wish
to be on record in support of our city's current comprehensive plan and it's intentions. This is a plan
which materialized after years of input fi'om our citizens. This plan evolved as the result of dozens of
meetings invoMng hundreds of citizens and elected officials. A.len~hy, laborious but inclusive process.
It is a sound plan reflecting our citizen's desire for a balanced community. Balanced between
commercial property and industrial property. Balanced between expensive housing and less expensive
housing. Our present plan, if followed, allows affordable housing for young people getting started. How
soon we forget. And older people who need to downsize but still want to live here because this is their
home. It allows for housing to be built which our teachers and machine operators can afford. They're
good enough to work here. Housing which is affordable to people who work in our community is a good
thing. It's not a bad thing. Our current comprehensive plan does not intend for our community to
become exclusive or elitist ill it's housing choices. I encourage this council and future councils to remain
committed to our plan and provide affordable housing opportunities for people throughout their life
cycle. And l'll distribute that.
Mayor Mancino: Thank you.
Jerome Carlson: And in addition to that, I've gone so far as to prepare a resolution of my own, which as
a citizen I think I'm within my rights to do. And it's merely for the council's consideration. So I'd like
the council to consider the following resolution. Whereas, the City of Chanhassen has historically been
supportive of affordable housing, of affordable life cycle housing; and Whereas, the City's cun'ent
co,nprehensive plan supports life cycle housing; and Whereas, in recent months, maybe it's longer than
that but in recent months, in my opinion, there has been a vocal minority of citizens who are opposed to
life cycle housing in general in Chanhassen and/or are opposed to the locations for such housing as
provided for in the current comprehensive plan; and Whereas, the City of Chanhassen wishes to reaffirln
it's conmlitmel~t to life cycle housing and to the current comprehensive plan in general. Therefore, be it
resolved that the City of Chanhassen hereby reaffirms tile City's commitment to affordable life cycle
housing and to the City's current comprehensive plan. Thank you very much.
Councilwoman Jansen: Thank you.
Mayor Mancino: Thank you Jerome. Okay, is there anyone else that would like to come up and speak
to the council on this agenda item.
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Carmen McMeen: Carmen McMeen, 9391 Foxford Road. I believe very strongly, xvith all my heart that
this community should embrace anybody xvho wants to live here. However, I find it somewhat
disingenuous that xvhat is occurring is actually affordable. That's the ultimate goal here and that's what
we should all be focusing on. I xvatched a news show last night on Channel 11 talking about how the Met
Council itself could be accused as being part of the problem in the fact that the way they're drawing the
MUSA lines, they're not allowing for new developments. Therefore it is dramatically raising the cost of
land for everyone involved. Therefore it makes me more than a little concerned that we are adopting
what the Met Council has to say when they in fact may be part of the problem. I think we need to look at
a much broader issue on how we can help people move into Chanhassen. Live here. Work here. Retire
here. I think that it would be very important to take a look at some of the other programs that are already
in place to help people get into homes. \Vhether it be Iow cost mortgages, help with down payments.
Mayor Mancino: Yeah, we're doing that.
Carmen McMeen: Okay, but I think there should be more cooperation with the council as far as that is
concerned. In addition, I also believe that there needs to be more senior housing made available here in
Chanhassen. And the types of housing units that are going up are not addressing senior needs. My
parents are seniors. My in-laws are seniors. I see them seeking housing where it is single level so that
they don't have to worry about stairs and accessibility. It also gives them a level of assistance, whether it
be through meals or medical care or whatever. And I don't see anybody putting forth those types of
solutions at this time. So before we approve anything, I think we need to seriously take a look at what
the Met Council is saying versus what the Met Council is doing and assure that we are providing for
affordable housing and affording affordable housing for our seniors. Thank you very much.
Councilwoman Jansen: Thank you.
MayorMancino: Thank you Carmen. Kate, do you want to respond to Carmen's concern about
mo~-tgages and what we do with the county and how much.
Kate Aanenson: Sure. \Ve're cooperating with Hennepin County which we do have block grant through
and they do first time home buyer programs. We also work with referrals through the local banks, first
time homebuyers. We get calls for that all the time. And Carver County also provides that. As far as the
program on, that was put together by the Builders Association who is lobbying really heavily. I can only
speak to the CiD' of Chanhassen. We have a comprehensive plan that is concerned about, we could open
up the City and provide service wherever we want. I'm not sure that's in the City's best financial
responsibility to go down and build where we don't have roads and sewer and water in place. We can
only carry so much debt. We've put together the comprehensive plan a very, I believe fiscally sound
staged plan on our way to accomplish that. I think some of the builders want free rein. Yes, land prices
are going up but so are homes as far as valuation and square footage. A standard home now has a 3 car
garage. You know things have changed over time as interest rates have dropped and I think we'll see
some of that changing too as the economy changes here soon. Lumber prices have gone up. All that's
adding to the cost but just to be clear, that was produced by the Builders Association and they're
lobbying heaxT to have.
Carmen McMeen: It was produced by KARE 11.
Kate Aanenson: Yes it was, through the Builders Association. I've got them, I'm oil their mailing list
and I saw. They are the ones that asked them to put that program together so there's.
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Carmen McMeen: I think we need to weigh both sides...
Kate Aanenson: As far as some of the other programs that we do. There is a project coming on line at
Villages on the Pond, Presbyterian Homes. The recent project that we approved for 350 units also has a
senior component. That may be the first project to go forward. The 80 units senior housing project and
Presbyterian Homes is looking at the Villages on the Pond, will have assisted and independent living.
They may be coming here yet this December but it may be right after the first of the year. They're trying
to work out. They just had some preliminary meetings with the staff looking at design and some of the
final components so we are working on senior housing. We know that's an issue. There's also another
project that will be strictly senior right in the immediate area of the City Hall here. Approximately 30
units. 30 to 36 units so xve do have senior housing on board.
Mayor Mancino: So I hope that answers a couple of your questions, especially on the senior housing.
Knowing that that's going to be coming in in the next couple months. Have we, as far as with the Met
Council, as far as our MUSA and taking in more land. Has there been the Met Council trying to restrict
us taking in more land? I thought that that was more staff generated as far as contiguous property and
making sure that we could afford the infrastructure.
Kate Aanenson: Absolutely.
Mayor Mancino: It wasn't Met Council restricting and saying don't have us take in more land. It is.
Carmen McMeen: It also provides fimding for tile sev,'er and tile water and they're the ones that
determine...
Kate Aanenson: Tile City provides their own, as far as, we would come to tile City Council and ask for a,
the City to do a feasibility study and we would carry those costs. We've had requests to go in other areas
ofthe city where it not provided MUSA. It's ahvays been tile staWs recommendation that we provide
services on a timely, actually I have a... if you want to look at that. Right now the City's inx,estment's on
Highway 5 with the frontage road. We have the lift station in place right now. The sewer and water as
it's moving. Right now it's at \Valnut Grove, going across. We're providing a lot of inx'estment on tlie
fi'ontage road. So that's the next area we're bringing in. As far as MUSA expansion, that was guided for
tile next 5 years. If things accelerate, we would look south. The next area that we'd be bringing in where
we have a lift station in place is the Degler piece. Bemardi. Some of that prope~%, on the other side of
212. We could bring in other property but again the city has, when we did the comprehensive plan, a 20
3'ear capital improvements plan and I don't think it'd be wise at this time to.
Mayor Mancino: You mean our taxes would go up?
Kate Aanenson: Yes. It would take a big investment to put another lift station ill when we've ah'eady
paid for one and we're paying ourseh,es back and that's kind of the big issue there. So.
Mayor Mancino: I also think the Catch-22 we get as we bring in more land in tile MUSA and trying to
hold, because I understand Carmen's concern. You know tile less supply of land, the higher the prices
are. \Ve also get a lot of people in tile community who wants us to slow groxvth. They've come here and
they don't want urban sprawl nor do they want us to be growing as fast as we are because they want us to
stay as a small town. So you get those two philosophies kind of at each other. Stay small. Don't grow
fast. \Ve moved here because we liked it the way it is and so we as a council have listened to that over
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tile :3'ears. Don't go too fast. And so we have not tried to move tile MUSA in huge, huge acreage
increments. We've tried to do it reasonably and very balancedly and so that's the other part of it.
Kate Aanenson: Sure. The other thing I just ,,',,anted to comment, as Scott indicated earlier. There's
market forces out there. Not eyeD, property ov,,ner is willing to develop at the same time. There are
people that have large tracts of land in the current MUSA that have the staying power, don't have to
subdivide. That's holding some of the land out and we don't want to force somebody to subdivide until
they xvant to but that's also affecting some of the supply and demand. And that we have no control over.
Mayor Mancino: Yep. Can't make those people subdivide. Anyone else? Bring it up. Talk about it.
Ask tile questions. Make tile comments. We've got good, knowledgeable people. Any other comments?
Do you have a comment Linda?
Councilwoman Jansen: Are you bringing it back to council?
Mayor Mancino: Sure.
Councilwoman Jansen: If we're at council comments, certainly.
Mayor Mancino: (30 ahead.
Councilwoman Jansen: Tile part of this discussion that philosophically I guess I have tried to address for
the last year. A year ago when we were reviewing our goals I asked that this council sit down and go
through all of the detail as far as our housing goals. How we're going to reach them. How we're going
to achieve them. So that we could be sure that evers'one was on board and at the same time many
communities just like our's have held housing forums. Public housing forums so that everyone within
the community, \Vayzata as a matter of fact just had one recently. So that everyone can be educated as to
exactly what it is we're trying to accomplish. So that everyone's comfortable with the knowledge of
what it is we mean when we sa3' affordable. I consider it my responsibility as a community leader to
explain to people what we mean when we say affordable, and it's a complicated term. And how we're
trying to achieve it is a complicated process. You get down to where. Who's going to finance it?
Whether you're going to increase tile densities. It gets down to a lot of decision points that need to be
made. Do we as a community want to support all of those individuals that were listed tonight who need
this type of housing? Absolutely. And it breaks my heart to go door knocking and find people living in
homes who would very much like to get into something affordable and they can't because though \ye're
building townhomes and life cycle, they're not affordable. And they're not staying affordable. So as I'm
looking at these goals, I see it as a multi faceted question. Do I have a problem with the density? No.
Density's fine. Life cycle of course is an issue. \Vho would be opposed to tov,'nhomes? Who's opposed
to townhomes? I'm looking at this affordability, and you heard here tonight that what we're constructing
is being driven by market forces. We hold Autumn Ridge up as one of those projects that we built so that
people could come into our community as affordable. Well those are selling right now at $180,000.
Those aren't affordable any longer. So as a community I look at this goal and I would like it to be
reflective of our building sustainable, affordable units like we have in North Bay where we have stepped
up in partnership and we've actually sustained some of those affordable levels. When I go back to the
comp plan and I see how it's being suggested we achieve this, it's not clear that we're saying a goal that
can be achieved. \Ve sa3' within our comp plan that affordable, unsubsidized housing shall not be overly
concentrated in one area of the city. Then we also say that all future multi family development would
have to occur at a ratio of 53% affordable to achieve these goals. \Vell 53% in my terms is concentrated.
You've got communities that are similar to our's, like a Maple Grove, xvho's getting awards from the Met
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Council for achieving sustainable affordable at 20% per development. So if we could go after tile lower
percent, maintain it's affordability. Bring it into our community so that it's a blend. It's a balance. It's
not, you know here's our affordable area. Even the Met Council has said that it should be dispersed
throughout a development and to what percent I gather is up to us. So when I'm looking at these goals, I
see it as 3 parts. The only one that I don't believe we have properly set is the affordability percentage.
And going back to a year ago I had asked staff and Kate kindly got me a list of all of the other
communities and what their goals are. One that caught my eye, well several communities actually are
listed with no numerical goals. So I see this as a broad range of flexibility.on the Met Council's part.
You've got com~nunities with no numerical goals. You've got Minnetonka who's affordable goal applies
to new development. So instead of trying to balance the part of our community that's already built, what
are we trying to accomplish in all of our new development and who are we xvorking with to make a part
of that affordable? Whether it's the County or the Met Council or this community. And again, I think
the public needs to have some say in what sort of subsidizing the city should do. How much do our
taxpayers want us to step up to/he plate with on each of these developments in order to make them
affordable because if we really believe in it, and I hear everyone speaking from the heart here tonight. If
we really believe in it, then let's make it something that we can actually achieve. And step up and
actually do it. So when I'm looking at approving this act tonight, I'm hesitate and not 100% sold that this
affordability percent is correct. We could either specify that this percent applies to new construction,
which then we're not shooting for this 53% goal or the affordable on the Pulte is 70%, and that's only at
initial construction. It's not going to stay at that market rate. What percent of that project, if it's 30%,
then let's step up and let's achieve that either with the County or figure out how to keep it affordable. If
that's what our goal is. So if we're going to address the goals tonight, either making those two
percentages. Tile ownership which is 30%. Rental at 35. Specifying that it's for new construction.
Mayor Mancino: That's what it says.
Councilwoman Jansen: No it doesn't. \Ve're achieving, tile other page. We're achieving these goals by
adding at least, as per the comp plan, and it says it right on page 27 of the comprehensive plan. If the
City were to maintain tile same ratio of affordable units for all future multi family development, we
would add, and it gives the number of units and that's 53% is the ratio that's actually quoted in tile comp
plan. So I'm suggesting that if these goals were designated to the Met Council as on all new
construction, is what we'd be attempting.
Kate Aanenson: That was the intent but we can clarify that.
Councilwoman Jansen: Okay, because that's not what it says in the comprehensive plan. And we've
been shooting for these and ending up with 53%. 59%. 52%. That's where you're getting a reaction and
a stir out of the community. We're saying we're not going to concentrate.
Mayor Mancino: \Vait, wait, wait, wait. Where are we getting tile reaction and the stir?
Councilwonlan Jansen: As Mr. Carlson stated in his resolution, he ,,',,as speaking to the fact that we've
got some of these younger voices actually speaking of who are in the minority. Well, I don't think we
would get that kind of a reaction if we were making this development and these goals more compatible.
Mayor Mancino: Linda, we spent '97 and '98 having public hearings on the comprehensive plan. \Vhat
you're leading.
Councilwoman Jansen: Not on tile Livable Communities Act.
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Mayor Mancino: Yes. The Livable Communities is part of the housing, isn't it? In our comprehensive
plan.
Councilwoman Jansen: Yes it is.
Mayor Mancino: And it shows the percentages there. And we did get people coming and speaking about
it publicly. Noxv I'm not sure.
Councilwoman Jansen: Communities currently are holding housing forums in order to address, in fact as
part of the whole affordable strategy it's been suggested in order to get rid of some of these situations
where residents don't understand what it is that communities are doing, that you hold one of these forums
in order to provide the education. That's all I'm suggesting. And we have not had that sort ora situation
where ali we've addressed is tile Livable Communities Act our affordable goals and how we're going to
achieve them.
Mayor Mancino: \Ve did bring that up last year when we also had to pass the Livable Communities Act.
Councilwoman Jansen: Which is when I requested that we do that. So yes, it was brought up a 5.'ear ago.
Mayor Mancino: And so in March of this 5'ear we also addressed it with the Met Council who came out
and the EDA, etc, and we did address it. \Ve didn't address our particular ones because Kate felt ,,'er5'
comfortable that it was in our comprehensive plan and we've been going with it.
Councilwoman Jansen: \Vhich again did not answer tile request that had been made tile year ago when
we were reviexving this. Yes, we did have them come out and they spoke to more city officials. It wasn't
a housing £orum. I mean we can sit here and debate this but there is a difference in how.
Mayor Mancino: Because we're hearing so many people so concerned about it? And where a~'e they
tonight?
Council\roman Jansen: Oh goodness. I'm through with my comments, thank you.
NIas'or Mancino: Okay, thank you. Councilman Senn.
Councilman Senn: As I understand what we're doing tonight, I mean it's simply reaffirming the existing
goals that we have on Livable Communities. That's correct right Kate?
Kate Aanenson: That's my recommendation, correct.
Councilman Senn: Okay. And there are no changes to those?
Kate Aanenson: That ,,','as my recommendation.
Councilman Senn: Okay. You had mentioned however that the mix had been adjusted.
Kate Aanenson: \Ve adjusted it. \\re originally adopted in '95 and I think 2-3 years after we adjusted and
we changed the owner/rental mix.
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Mayor Mancino: I think we changed it in '97.
Councilman Senn: And do you recall what we changed it from?
Kate Aanenson: Under owner/rental mix?
Councilman Senn: Yeah, I thought we changed it down quite a bit.
Kate Aanenson: Yeah, we put the range in there. We put the, I think we o'riginally had 80/20 and we
realized we couldn't achieve that because we hadn't been doing that much rental so we changed it to
90/10. Kind of left that range in there. 80/90-20/10.
Councilman Se\m: Okay. And that was negotiated back with what, Met Council then at that time?
Kate Aanenson: \Ve went back and told them. Gave them some rationale why.
Councilman Senn: Okay. And then the, and as far as, it's always been my understanding and I guess I
got a little confused here now. Essentially I thought our goals always related to new developinent.
Kate Aanenson: Well, when they did the original index they looked at the city wide to see what 3'our
housing style was. They Put you iii a sector and they measured the entire sector to see what, you have a
threshold of housing over, at that point was 120 or l 15 at that time and they measured everything that
was above and below that.
Councilman Senn: Well I remember going through that exercise but essentially our.
Kate Aanenson: Right. We got credit for where you were at the beginning.
Councilman Senn: Right. But I mean that was a positive situation fox' tis where we got credit fox'
existing, when a lot of communities, especially at that point didn't even have any existing. And then
essentially fi'om there our goals were established going forward based on new development, weren't
they?
Kate Aanenson: \Veil what we said is that we were going to be moving closer and farther from a target
depending on what.
Councihnan Senn: What market forces were iii place.
Kate Aanenson: Right, where the cycle was, correct.
Councilman Senn: Okay. \Veil, I guess the only additional comments I have is you know, historically I
remember very well when Livable Communities first came at us. There was a guy down at the
legislature, Myron Orfield who was a Democrat from Minneapolis and also a very pov,,erful person in the
legislature, then and now. He wanted to pass Livable Communities with mandated goals and essentially
penalties attached to those mandated goals, such as loss of State Aid and that sort of thing if you didn't
achieve their mandated goals. Much to everybody's surprise, lie had the votes to pass the bill. And many
oflhe suburbs at that point complained very loudly, including us, about that. And again much to our
surprise another Democrat kind of came to the battle call and went back and basically achieved a
compromise which took the guts out of that bill which effectively eliminated the mandating and the
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penalties and produced a Livable Communities bill which was strictly voluntary and rather than
mandated goals and objectives_, essentially negotiated goals and again with no you know real mandated
end result or penalties if you don't achieve them. The caveat however that was attached to that bill at
that time ,,vas that if the voluntary program didn't work, the legislature was certainly xvilling to revisit the
mandate and penalty issue. In fact shortly after the lax,,, passed, Maple Grove if I remember right, kind of
refused to participate in even the voluntary program. And at that point kind of like the world descended
upon Maple Grove and you knox,, basically got really ugly. Including the legislature's threat for
mandates once again. Maple Grove backed offand the issue went away. Personally I don't think v,,e
want to initiate Chapter 2 of that same scene. It's our community responsibility to help provide a \vide
range of housing types and diverse housing types. I think we need to reaffirm our participation in
Livable Communities. Tile goals are the goals. Ail we're doing tonight is reaffirming those goals. I
think we've now clarified tile issue that those goals are on new development, which is what I always
understood them to be and I would hope.
Kate Aanenson: We're getting, let me clarify that. Anything that we have under that price is counted
towards the ultimate but what were submitted to tile Met Council every ),ear as far as a report is stuff
that's coming in new. That's kind of your report card. But when they do the xvhere are you, I mean
anything that's older housing stock or older rental that's still under there is still being counted.
Councilman Senn: Cch'eot. I mean it's a count that carries forward and all they're looking for again
under the voluntaO' goals and stuff is essentially an effort being made to essentially achieve more
affordable housing.
Kate Aanenson: Right. \Vhat tools are you employing to achieve that, right.
Councilman Senn' Right. And I think you know we really need to keep that plan that we have moving
forward. If there's clarifications that need to occur, then we should need to make those clarifications but
the fundamental parts of the plan I don't think should be you know tinkered with a whole lot because I
think otherwise... Chapter 2.
Mayor Mancino: Well and then we wouldn't have what we have today. Kate, and I'm sorry Steve. I just
have a question for Kate. Sustainable affordable housing. How do you get sustainable affordable
housing?
Kate Aanenson: ...the City brought down part of those units at two different rates but if they want to
finish off their basement, we allow them to do that. Recapture it but we want to get our payback. We
encourage people to invest in their properb,. I think that's kind of difficult to do some of that. I'm not
sure that's alv,,ays wise. I think you have to kind of take it on a case by case basis and certainly
depending on the type of product and you know, it ina5' not make sense.
Mayor Mancino: Do you think we have a mix of good tools to continue our affordable housing at this
point? I mean are there tools out there that we're not using?
Kate Aanenson: Obviously there's a communication gap. We try to on each product. \Ve try to go to all
the resources that we can, but obviously we're not doing a good job is what I'm hearing of
communicating what exactly our action plan is, which is outlined in the comprehensive plan. You know
block grant certainly is an assistant. We've been pooled...pooled with other communities so now we
have to compete with some of the other lakeshore communities. \Ve don't even qualify in Carver
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County. We get our block grant in Hennepin County so we're competing with some of the other
communities.
Councilxvoman Jansen: But we haven't actually managed to do anything that we have maintained under
any program in the last 2 years as far as affordable because the apartments we couldn't work out.
Kate Aanenson: We haven't done any assistance. Yeah, ever3rthing that's.come in has been affordable
through market forces, right. But that doesn't mean we haven't tried, righk Council has to make those
decisions but we have tried, and tried resources. We contact Carver Count), and certainly people go into
the count), to get homebuyer assistance.
Mayor Mancino: And do you direct them also to the county to get homebuyer assistance so if anyone
wonders?
Kate Aanenson: .... also, yes.
Mayor Mancino: So are there any tools out there that we aren't using? Or that we aren't trying to use as
affordable housing comes into our community?
Kate Aanenson: Well again I think it sounds like a COlnlnunication of explaining what tools we have and
what v,'e don't have.
Mayor Mancino: Aren't they listed in our COlnlorehensive plan pretty well?
Councilwoman Jansen: It's not so much communication as Carver County, the HRA manages to build
projects so were we reaching out and doing more of the Centennial Hills or being more compatible with
someone who is wanting to come in and do affordable. It's not a matter ofco,nmunication. It's are we
actually doing everything even as a council. Is it because of the percentages? When we've got.
Kate Aanenson: No. I mean the staffhas tried. For example tile...
Councihvoman Jansen: I'm not accusing you of not trying and doing your best.
Kate Aanenson: ...property so we were in that position.
Mayor Mancino: But Kate when projects come ill do you come to us, as a council, and I'm over/he last
4 years I know You have come to us and tell us how to use the tools to make it more affordable. Because
that's what Linda is saying that there isn't that communication. Has there been?
Coul~cilwoman Jansen: No, that wasn't what I was saying.
Kate Aanenson: Right, there's not tile communication. Are we using other resources as appropriate as
we can? Yes. I mean for example we went down to Met Council and we got some 12th hour funding to
try to make that work and we still had a big gap. I think we spent a lot of time tt3'ing to make that come
together. On every project that comes in, the first call always goes to Carver Count),. We are working
with Carver County. We've talked to them on the Pulte project. They're looking at, it's ill the north.
They are looking at acquiring some of those units themselves. Ever3, project we look at resources and
it's in the staff report that they are looking at buying some of those projects.
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Councilwoman Jansen: And I did see that. I'm saying what percentage are xve actually looking at
controlling, discussing. We can sit here and debate this but, and again going back to xvhether it's new
construction or not, if this is new construction, then that's different than the numbers that are generated
in the comprehensive plan. If what we're saying, and I can agree to this. If what we're saying is we're
going to communicate to the Met Council that on new construction going forward these are our goals,
that's what I would like to at minimum achieve tonight. The life cycle I a'lready said is fine. Density is
fine. It's what do these numbers truly represent because Minnetonka in th'eir submittal to the Met
Council, it is asterisk and it's down to the bottom saying that this is on new construction and if that's
what we're saying, then we're in agreement. That that works but the numbers then, the total numbers
don't work out the same as to what, and you can go back and re-check the long term goals. Because it
was 30% of the total. Total build.
Kate Aanenson: Yeah, I think you have to look at the map picture as far as the different product mix and
some of that so, obviously we've looked at it, and I haven't run the numbers the same way you have so
I'd have to look at it but if you want to put an asterisk and we go back to the Met Council and say we
want this considered for, we'll have to look at how that relates to what you're saying.
Councilwoman Jansen' Okay. I wasjust hearing you sa)' what I was trying to get to and so then I'm fine
with that.
KateAanenson: Yep.
May'or Mancino' Okay, so we're understanding for new construction? Yes, Councilman Senn.
Councilman Senn: You know we keep kind of referring kind of in and out of it in terms of the
economics, you know and that has been a huge driving factor in terms of what we've been able to do and
not do. I mean Centennial Hills is a wonderful example of that. \Ve went after that all guns but we also
under wrote guaranteed the entire project and put the taxpayers at substantial risk to do that. But we
decided to do that essentially to accomplish our first senior project, outside of market forces because the
market obviously wasn't going to accomplish it. But time and time again nov,', and then North Bay
which I think shortly after that we also provided the subsidy on the North Bay thing to achieve that
because again under market forces we hadn't been able to accomplish any of that. But essentially all
else, as I understand it, that we have accomplished affordable housing since then has happened within
market forces. And we've looked at discarded some proposals essentially based on economics butjust
simply put the city or the taxpayers at too great a risk to do that and I hope going forward we continue to
keel> that conservative slant to things essentially where we don'tjustjump in with both feet and big
subsidies to simply accomplish it.
Councilwoman Jansen: Agreed.
Mayor Mancino: Steve.
Councihnan Labatt: So Kate, how's that affect your numbers on page, I don't know. I'll call it 3 of the
package there. B.5' making the double asterisk. Will that affect :5'our numbers on page 2? On page 3?
Kate Aanenson: No. That's stillt>°oin-°~ to be product that we've done to date, and again these are our
long tem~ goals, 2010. But I think if we're going to put that asterisk down there, I think one of the, as
Linda poii~ed out might be a goal to add maintain existing affordable.
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Councilman Labatt: Sustainable?
Kate Aanenson: Sustainable or something and we try...to accomplish that. And work on that. Maintain
existing affordable units. I'm not sure if that's in or not right now. I kind of thought something along
that lines. But if it's not, then we'll put that in there and put some other policies to make that happen. It
may be a financial commitment which you have to make a decision on, but we can come back with
something on that too.
Councilman Labatt: When is this due to tile Met Council?
Kate Aanenson: The end of the 3'ear.
Councilman Labatt: So 12/317
Kate Aanenson: Yes. If it's the first meeting of the first of the 3,ear.
Councihnan Labatt: Well I just wonder, obviously we're going to have 3 new people on tile council and I
just wonder if, several things ',','ere said tonight that make you ahnost wonder if we want to do what
\Vayzata did and hold a foruln.
Kate Aanenson: \Veil I think \Vayzata had some other issues and we have to be careful about comparing
COlnmUi~ities. That'd be like comparing Chanhassen to Shorewood. I mean different communities.
\Vayzata also had an issue regarding people taking the small, affordable lots in the downtov,'n area, which
lhey were very concerned about. I'nl llOt trying to minimize the comparison. We have to be really
careful about comparing ourselves even to Victoria which has a different tax base and some of those kind
of issues so. \Vhen they try to put together the sectors, they tried to kind of group us also, everybody
kind of looked average but each community is different. I mean if you compare us to Edina, a lot
different. They have a lot more apartments so we have to be really careful about the comparison. \Vhat
we've, the approach we took at the Met Council, we're following our goals that were put in place in 1991
which have alv,,ays been some diversity in housing and that's what v,'e want to continue to maintain.
What we're trying to do is provide the opportunity as projects come in, to look at that. Provide the
zoning. Provide what tools we can and what assistance but I think it's helpful to see what models other
communities are doing but v,,e have to be really careful to compare us exact. They kind of look at what's
going on in that community because they're all a little bit different and their's was, they ,,','ere losing
some of their existing affordable so they put a moratorium on in place. To stop some of that.
Councilwoman Jansen: And that ',','as just one comlnunity fi'om recently that I had read had done it.
Kate Aanenson: Yeah, right.
Councilwoman Jansen: Multiple different COlnmunities have, it's been a suggestion.
Kate Aanenson: ...sure. Sure, there's a lot of different approaches out there. But so if you wanted us to
come back and look at some of the maintaining, if there's more specific goals, I'm not sure. We can
check and see what some other communities are doing but, we do talk to other communities and see what
they're doing. What situations and problems that they have but you know, what Shorewood's doing is
completely different than what Chanhassen's doing. Same with Victoria. We're a lot further ahead.
Fortunately we have some other economic resources and things that are happening that are different in
the conamunity so.
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Councilman Labatt: This is a living, breathing document though, right?
Mayor Mancino: Oh sum.
Kate Aanenson: It is, and again that's why I tried to frame it to say this is'a long term goal. We're going
to move further. Sometimes we're going to be really close to getting our goals and then we're not going
to have any projects for a couple of years. Right now what's really strong.is industrial. Our housing is
very sloxv except for the fact that we're doing other types. Our single family's actually down. That's
why I'm saying it's cyclical and if we go into a little bit ora recession, as you can see on that chart I put
on there, you know the permits. You 'know different things happen. Our housing prices may drop.
People might do different types of products so it's a long term goal and what we're looking at is trying to
do, really do what we believe was always the intent was to have tile diversity. And in good faith try to
accomplish that through each project. What can we do on each project and that's the approach we have
taken.
Mayor Mancino: I've also gotten the impression over the years that you've tried to add some flexibility
to the tools for us as a staffto show us different tools and depending on the development, what it is and
when it came in. To bring that forward to us because you're the professionals doing it, not us.
Kate Aanenson: \Vell and that's one of the things, you know that's what we get criticized for.
Chanhassen has a large lot size of 15,000 square feet so that's why we said we're going to do some of
this clustering and some other things. I mean we're always going to be heavily weighted single family
detached but that's one of the first shots that we get is because we have one of the larger lot sizes. But
that's okay. If there's other ways that we can still get there with our goals and we stuck by that and that's
why we kept the 1.8. That's okay.
Councilwoman Jansen: Tile other thing Steve to consider that with tile affordability goals is that the Met
Council has talked about going for some legislative, going before the legislature to maybe put, make
these more than just flexible. So that's where I would like to at least make sure that we've got them fine
tuned doxvn to something we're comfortable with.
Councilman Labatt: Oil yeah. Yeah.
Mayor Mancino: Well I would hope that before they make them less flexible that they would allow cities
to review and, because they certainly have been very flexible about this. Okay. Any other discussion?
Then may I have a motion?
Councilwoman Jansen: Kate, is it just this one sheet that actually ends up going that we're approving
tonight?
Kate Aanenson' Yes. And the resolution. So you would have the resolution and then.
Councilwoman Jansen' This is the attachment? So if we are doing our asterisk next to these two with,
for new construction, it's not as if you need to be reworking an5, of the long terms?
Kate Aanenson: ...that's just for your edification to show you where we're at.
Councilwoman Jansen' Okay.
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Councihnan Senn: I would move that we reaffirm the goals and approve the resolution for continued
participation in the Livable Communities Act.
Mayor Mancino: And how do you feel about the asterisk with ne,,',' construction?
Councilman Senn: I thought that was happening here.
Councilwoman Jansen: That's an understood?
Kate Aanenson: Can we just make clear what asterisk...and say for new construction and then we're
also talking about our goal of sustaining existing affordable.
Councilwoman Jansen: And maybe we just work that out as we go forward versus needing to delineate
that in here? So that you have time to work on that.
Kate Aanenson: Sure.
Mayor Mancino' Totaling up those totals from the comprehensive plan. Is there a second? Is tliere a
second to the motion? Okay, I'I1 second the motion.
Resolution 1/2000-84: Councilman Senn moved, Mayor Mancino seconded that the CiD' Council
approve the 2001 Livable Community Act Housing Goals Agreement. All voted'in favor and the
motion carried unanimously.
LUCAS IGEL ADDITION, DAVID IGEL, PROPERTY ZONED RSF AND LOCATED ON LOT
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Dick P.
Eunice Peters
Debbie & Dick Lloyd
Helen Bielski
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Don Huseth
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