4 Rice Lake Manor 2nd AdditionCITYOF
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7700 Market Boulevard
PO Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
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TO:
Todd Gerhardt, City Manager
FROM: Sharmeen A1-Jaff, Senior Planner
DATE:
August 11, 2003
SUB J:
Executive Summary for Preliminary Plat to subdivide One Single
Family Lot with an area of 2 acres into 4 Lots, Kurt Miller
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The applicant is requesting preliminary plat approval to subdivide one single family
lot with an area of 2 acres into 4 lots. Proposed Lot 2 contains an existing single
family home. The remaining 3 lots will be reserved for future development of
single family homes. The site is zoned Single Family Residential District and
located northwest of the intersection of West 86th Street and Tigua Lane. Access
to Lots 1, 4, and the westerly 115 feet of Lot 3 is gained via West 86th Street.
Access to LOt 2 and the northerly 115 feet of Lot 3 is gained via Tigua Lane. All
lots will exceed the minimum 15,000 square foot lot area, the 90 foot lot frontage,
and 125 foot lot depth requirements. The Planning Commission and staff are
recommending approval of the subdivision with no variances subject to conditions
outlined in the attached staff report.
Planning &
Natural Resources
Phone: 952.227.1130
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Public Works
1591 Park Road
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PLANNING COMMISSION SUMMARY
On July 15, 2003, the Planning Commission reviewed and approved this
application unanimously. They added one condition relating to the location of the
driveway on LOt 3. The summary and verbatim minutes are attached.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff and the Planning Commission are recommending approval of the
subdivision. The recommendation is located on page 6 of the attached staff report.
ATTACHMENTS
1. Staff report.
2. Planning Commission summary and verbatim minutes dated July 15, 2003.
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CITY OF
PC DATE: July 15 2003
CC DATE: August 11, 2003
REVIEW DEADLINE: 8-12-03
CASE #: 2003-11 SUB
By: A1-Jaff
STAFF
REPORT
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PROPOSAL:
LOCATION:
APPLICANT:
Preliminary Plat ~o subdivide One Single Family Lot with an area of 2 acres
into 4 Lots
8590 Tigua Lane - Located at the northwest intersection of West 86th Street
and Tigua Lane
Kurt and Lynne Miller
8590 Tigua Lane
Chanhassen, MN 55317
(952) 937-2476 or (612) 910-7580
PRESENT ZONING:
2020 LAND USE PLAN:
Single Family Residential District - RSF
LOw Density Residential
ACREAGE:
2 Acres (87,151 Square Feet)
DENSITY:
2.0 Units per Acre
SUMMARY OF REQUEST:
Request to replat one parcel into four single family lots. The site contains one single family home.
Staff is recommending approval of the subdivision subject to conditions. Notice of this public
hearing has been mailed to all property owners within 500 feet.
LEVEL OF CITY DISCRETION IN DECISION-MAKING: The City's discretion in
approving or denying a preliminary plat is limited to whether or not the proposed plat meets the
standards outlined in the Subdivision Regulations and Zoning Ordinance. If it meets these
standards, the City must approve the preliminary plat. This is a quasi-judicial decision.
Rice Lake Manor Second Addition
July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 2
BACKGROUND
On June 26, 1980, the City Council approved a subdivision of 39.8 acres into 8 single family lots,
Rice Lake Manor.
SITE ANALYSIS
The applicant is requesting approval to subdivide 2 acres into four single family lots. Proposed
Lot 2 contains an existing single family home. The remaining 3 lots will be reserved for future
development of single family homes. The site is zoned Single Family Residential District and
located northwest of the intersection of West 86th Street and Tigua Lane. Access to Lots 1, 4,
and the westerly 115 feet of Lot 3 is gained via West 86th Street. Access to LOt 2 and the
northerly 115 feet of Lot 3 is gained via Tigua Lane. All lots will exceed the minimum 15,000
square foot lot area, the 90 foot lot frontage, and 125 foot lot depth requirements. Staff is
recommending approval of the subdivision with no variances subject to conditions outlined in
the staff report.
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PRELIMINARY PLAT
The applicant is proposing to subdivide a 2 acre site into 4 single family lots. The density of the
proposed subdivision is 2.0 units per acre. All the lots exceed the minimum 15,000 square feet of
area, with an average lot size of 21,788 square feet.
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July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 3
Staff notes that the proposal is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and is consistent with the
Zoning Ordinance.
WETLANDS
No wetlands exist on site.
SURFACE WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN (SWMP)
Surface Water Management Fees
Water Quality Fees
Because of the impervious surface associated with this development, the water quality fees are
based on single-family residential development rates of $949/acre. Based on the proposed
developed area of approximately 2 acres, the water quality fees associated with this project are
$1,898.
Water Quantity Fees
The SWMP has established a connection charge for the different land uses based on an average
citywide rate for the installation of water quantity systems. This cost includes land acquisition,
proposed SWMP culverts, open channels, and storm water ponding areas for mnoff storage. Single-
family residential developments have a connection charge of $2,348 per developable acre. This
results in a water quantity fee of approximately $4,696 for the proposed development.
At this time, the estimated total SWMP fee, due payable to the City at the time of final plat
recording, is $6,594.
Other Agencies
The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies (e.g.,
Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District; Minnesota Pollution Control Agency) and comply
with their conditions of approval.
GRADING/DRAINAGE/EROSION CONTROL
The applicant is proposing to custom grade the three newly created lots (Lots 1, 3 and 4).
Detailed grading, drainage, tree removal, and erosion control plans will be required for each
lot at the time of building permit application for City review and approval.
The existing and proposed drainage for the site will runoff to the south toward Tigua Lane.
From there, it is collected in catch basins and routed through storm sewer to an existing
swale on the east side of Tigua Lane.
· Proposed runoff rates for the site must be submitted to ensure that the existing storm sewer is
sized sufficiently.
· Erosion control measures and site restoration shall be developed in accordance with the
City's Best Management Practice Handbook (BMPH). Staff recommends that erosion
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July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 4
control fence be used for the area adjacent to the existing manhole at the northeast comer of
the site.
UTILITIES
The proposed sanitary sewer will be considered a public utility line since it will serve more
than one lot. In addition, the lift station will be designed by the City and paid for by the
developer.
The underlying parcel has been previously assessed for utilities on the existing lot unit and
those assessments have been paid. Since the applicant is now proposing more units that what
was previously assessed, the three additional units will be charged a watermain lateral
connection charge at the time of building permit issuance. The current 2003 connection
charge is $4,513. The sanitary sewer connection charges will be waived because the
developer will be installing the lateral sewer main. Sanitary sewer and water hookup charges
along with the Met Council's SAC fee will be due on all of the lots at the time of building
permit issuance. All of these charges are based on the number of SAC units assigned by the
Met Council. The current 2003 sanitary hookup charge is $1,440/unit, the water hookup
charge is $1,876/unit and the SAC fee is $1,275/unit.
Public utility improvements will be required to be constructed in accordance with the City's
latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. Detailed construction plans and
specifications will be required at the time of final platting. The applicant will also be required to
enter into a development contract with the City and supply the necessary financial security in the
form of a letter of credit or cash escrow to guarantee installation of the improvements and the
conditions of final plat approval. Permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies must be
obtained, including but not limited to the MPCA, Department of Health, Watershed District,
MnDOT, etc.
STREETS
The site is proposed to be accessed via an existing streets along the south and east portions of the
property.
PARK DEDICATION
Park and trail fees shall be paid as required by ordinance for the three new lots only. The total
fee based on 2003 park fee requirements is $2,400 per lot or $7,200 for the three lots, payable ant
the time of final plat recording.
TREE PRESERVATION/LANDSCAPING
The developer for the Kurt Miller property development has submitted tree canopy coverage and
preservation calculations. They are as follows:
Total upland area (excluding wetlands)
Baseline canopy coverage
Minimum canopy coverage allowed
Proposed tree preservation
2.0 ac. or 87,151 SF
9.5 % or 8,307 SF
25 % or 21,788 SF
9.5 % or 8,307 SF
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July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 5
The developer does not meet minimum canopy coverage allowed, therefore the difference
between the minimum coverage required and proposed tree preservation is taken to calculate the
required replacement plantings.
Difference in canopy coverage (21,788-8,307) 13,481 SF
Total number of trees to be planted 12 trees
(one tree provides 1,089 SF of canopy)
All replacements must meet minimum size requirements.
COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE - RSF DISTRICT
Lot Lot Lot Home
Area Width Depth Setback
Ordinance 15,000 90' 125' 30' front/rear
10' sides
BLOCK 1
Lot 1 15,045 90' 151' 30'/30'
10'
Lot 2 39,991 313' 274' 30730'
10'
Lot 3 comer Lot 16,935 231' 138' 30"
147' 10'
Lot 4 15, 180 110' 138' 30730'
10'
Total area
87,151 square feet
SUBDIVISION- FINDINGS
1. The proposed subdivision is consistent with the zoning ordinance;
Finding: The subdivision meets all the requirements of the RSF, Residential
Single Family District and subdivision ordinance.
.
The proposed subdivision is consistent with all applicable city, county and regional plans
including but not limited to the city's comprehensive plan;
Finding: The proposed subdivision is consistent with the comprehensive plan.
.
The physical characteristics of the site, including but not limited to topography, soils,
vegetation, susceptibility to erosion and siltation, susceptibility to flooding, and storm
water drainage are suitable for the proposed development;
Finding: The proposed site is suitable for development subject to the conditions
specified in this report
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July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 6
.
The proposed subdivision makes adequate provision for water supply, storm drainage,
sewage disposal, streets, erosion control and all other improvements required by this
chapter;
Finding: The proposed subdivision is served by adequate urban infrastructure.
5. The proposed subdivision will not cause environmental damage;
Finding: The proposed subdivision will not cause significant environmental
damage subject to conditions of approval. The proposed subdivision contains
adequate open areas to accommodate a house pad.
6. The proposed subdivision will not conflict with easements of record.
Finding: The proposed subdivision will not conflict with existing easements, but
rather will expand and provide all necessary easements.
e
The proposed subdivision is not premature. A subdivision is premature if any of the
following exists:
a.
Lack of adequate storm water drainage.
Lack of adequate roads.
Lack of adequate sanitary sewer systems.
Lack of adequate off-site public improvements or support systems.
Finding: The proposed subdivision will have access to public utilities and streets.
PRELIMINARY PLAT
"The Planning Common rocommonds City Council approves the preliminary plat for Subdivision
//03-11 for Rice Lake Manor Second Addition for 4 lots as shown on the plans dated November 19,
2002, subject to the following conditions:
1. City Forester Conditions:
a. The applicant shall submit a landscape plan to showing a minimum of 12 trees to
be planted.
b. A minimum of two deciduous, overstory trees shall be required in the front yard
of each lot.
c. The applicant shall be responsible for installing all landscape materials proposed
in rear yard areas.
d. Tree preservation fence shall be install at the edge of the grading limits on lots 3
and 4, block 1 prior to any construction.
2. On the grading and utility plan:
a. Show all existing and proposed easements.
b. Label each of the new lots as custom graded.
c. Show the rear lookout elevation for Lot 3.
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July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 7
d. Show the location of the existing wood fence.
e. Show the existing sanitary service to Lot 2.
f. Show and label the existing 8-inch DIP watermain in West 86th Street.
g. Add a row of silt fence in back of the curb near the existing sanitary manhole.
h. Move the lift station to within five feet of the common property line of Lots 3 and
4.
3. All plans must be signed by a professional engineer registered in the state of Minnesota.
4. Detailed grading, drainage, tree removal, and erosion control plans will be required for
each lot at the time of building permit application for City review and approval.
5. Proposed runoff rates for the site must be submitted to ensure that the existing storm
sewer is sized sufficiently.
6. The lift station will be designed by the City and paid for by the developer.
7. Sanitary sewer and water hookup charges along with the Met Council's SAC fee will be
due on all of the lots at the time of building permit issuance.
,
Since the applicant is now proposing more units than what was previously assessed, the
three additional units will be charged a watermain lateral connection charge at the time of
building permit issuance.
9. The applicant is required to install the sanitary and water services to the property line of
the proposed lots.
10. Draintile is required to be installed in back of the curb on Tigua Lane.
11. Based on the proposed developed area of approximately 2 acres, the water quality fees
associated with this project are $1,898 and a water quantity fee of approximately $4,696
for the proposed development. At this time, the estimated total SWMP fee, due payable
to the City at the time of final plat recording, is $6,594.
12. The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies
(e.g., Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District; Minnesota Pollution Control
Agency) and comply with their conditions of approval.
13. Building Official Conditions:
a. Soil reports must be provided for all lots where fill soils are placed or soil correction
work is done.
b. The owner and or their representative shall meet with the Inspections Division as
soon as possible to discuss plan review and permit procedures.
14. Park and trail fees shall be paid as required by ordinance for the three new lots only. The
total fee based on 2003 park fee requirements is $2,400 per lot or $7,200 for the three
lots, payable ant the time of final plat recording.
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July 15 August 11, 2003
Page 8
15. The driveway serving Lot 3 shall be located to the north as far as reasonably possible."
ATTACHMENTS
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5.
Application and Notice of Public Hearing
Memo from Matt Saam, Assistant City Engineer.
Memo from Steven Torell, Building Official dated June 30, 2003.
SWMP Work Sheet.
Plans dated November 19, 2002.
CITY OF CHANHASSEN .,
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
(612) 937-1900
': DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATiON
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. Comprehensive Plan Amendment
.. Temporary Sales Permit
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Interim Use Permit Vadan~
Non-conforming Use Permit
'~"~. Notification Sign ~ [-7 ~.,4:xO
-~ X Escrow for Filing Fees/Attorney Cost**
($50 CU P/SPR/VAC/VAR/WAP/Metes
'* Escro~ will be required for other applications through the development contract
NDTE-'When multiple applications are processed, the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application.
:Building material sa~(~les must be submitted with site plan reviews.
'Twenty-slx ful! size folded copies of the plans must be submitted, Including an 8½" X 11" reduced copy of
trarts~ency for each plan sheet.
. ~ aot all proN~y owne~ within 500 fa ~f 1~ boundarlee of the proN~y aust be i~1~ w~ the
Wetland Alteration permit
,, Planned Unit Development*
Zoning Appeal
Rezoning
Zoning Ordinance Amendment
· Sign Permits
. Sign Plan Review
Site PJan Review*
PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION
'~]:~Q~ LAND USE DESIGNATION
FOR THIS REQUEST '~---f
"This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information
and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, you should confer with the Planning
.DepmJment to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to yoUr application.
7~ determination of completeness of the applicatiOn shall be made within ten business days of application submittal. A written
,notice of application deficiencies shall be mailed to the applicant within ten business days of application.
-]'h~ ~slo certlfythat I am making application for the described action by the City and that I am responsible for complying with
all City requirements with regard to this request. This applicat, ion should be processed in my name and I am the party whom
'the City should contact regarding any matter pertaining to this application. I have attached a copy of proof of ownership (either
copy of Owners Duplicate Certificate of-Title; Abstract of TRle or purchase agreement}, or I am the authorized person to make
:this application and the fee owner has also signed this application.
! will keep myself informed of the deadlines for submission of matedal and the progress of this application.' I further
understand that additional fees may be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an estimate prior to any
authorization to proceed with the study. The documents and information I have submitted are true and correct to the best of
'l'he city hereby notifies the applicant that development review cannot be completed within 60 days due to public hearing
~'equirements ..and agency review. Therefore, the city is notifying the appr~.ant that the City requires an automatic 60 day
extension for development review. Development review shall be completed within 120 days unless additional review
extensions are approved by the applicant.
~rc~en Re~c~d on
Fee Paid Receipt No.
'The applicant should contact staff for a copy of the staff report which will be available on Friday prior to the meeting.
If not contacted, a copy of the report will be mailed to the applicant's address.
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
TUESDAY, JULY 15, 2003 AT 7:00 P.M.
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
7700 MARKET BLVD.
APPLICANT: Kurt Miller
PROPOSAL: Subdivision Request
LOCATION' 8590 Tigua Lane
NOTICE: You are invited to attend a public hearing about a proposal in your area. The applicant,
Kurt Miller, is requesting replat of Lot 8, Block 1, Rice Lake Manor into 4 lots on property zoned
Residential Single Family; located at the northwest corner of the intersection of West 86th Street
and Tigua Lane, 8590 Tigua Lane.
What Happens at the Meeting: The purpose of this public hearing is to inform you about the applicant's
request and to obtain input from the neighborhood about this project. During the meeting, the Chair will lead
the public hearing through the following steps:
1. Staff will give an overview of the proposed project.
2. The applicant will present plans on the project.
3. Comments are received from the public.
4. Public hearing is closed and the Commission discUsses the project.
Questions and Comments: If you want to see the plans before the meeting, please stop by City Hall during
office hours, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you wish to talk to someone about this project,
please contact Sharmeen at 227-1134 or e-mail saljaff@ci.chanhassen.mn.us. If you choose to submit written
comments, it is helpful to have one copy to the department in advance of the meeting. Staff will provide copies
to the Commission.
Notice of this public hearing has been published in the Chanhassen Villager on July 3, 2003.
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8551 TIGUA LN
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8561 TIGUA LN
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CHANHASSEN
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PO Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Administration
Phone: 952.227.1100
Fax: 952.227.1110
Building Inspections
Phone: 952.227.1180
Fax: 952.227.1190
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJ:
Sharmeen A1-Jaff, Senior Planner
Matt Saam, Assistant City Engineer/~d2
July 2, 2003
Preliminary Plat Review of Rice Lake Manor 2nd Addition
Land Use Review File No. 03-12
Upon review of the plans dated June 11, 2003, prepared by Otto Associates, I
offer the following comments and recommendations:
Engineering
Phone: 952.227.1160
Fax: 952.227.1170
Finance
Phone: 952.227.1140
Fax: 952.227.1110
Park & Recreation
Phone: 952.227.1120
Fax: 952.227.1110
Recreation Center
2310 Coulter Boulevard
Phone: 952.227.1400
Fax: 952.227.1404
Planning &
Natural Resources
Phone: 952.227.1130
Fax: 952.227.1110
Public Works
1591 Park Road
Phone: 952.227.1300
Fax: 952.227.1310
GRADING/DRAINAGE/EROSION CONTROL
The applicant is proposing to custom grade the three newly created lots (Lot
Nos. 1, 3 and 4). Detailed grading, drainage, tree removal, and erosion
control plans will be required for each lot at the time of building permit
application for City review and approval.
The existing and proposed drainage for the site will runoff to the south toward
Tigua Lane. From there, it is collected in catch basins and routed through
storm sewer to an existing swale on the east side of Tigua Lane.
· Proposed mnoffrates for the site must be submitted to ensure that the existing
storm sewer is sized sufficiently.
Erosion c°ntrol measures and site restoration shall be developed in accordance
with the City's Best Management Practice Handbook (BMPH). Staff
recommends that erosion control fence be used for the area adjacent to the
existing manhole at the northeast comer of the site.
Senior Center
Phone: 952.227.1125
Fax: 952.227.1110
Web Site
www. ci.chanhassen.mn.us
UTILITIES
The proposed sanitary sewer will be considered a public utility line since it
will serve more than one lot. In addition, the lift station will be designed by
the City and paid for by the developer.
The underlying parcel has been previously assessed for utilities on the existing
lot unit and those assessments have been paid. Since the applicant is now
proposing more units that what was previously assessed, the three additional
units will be charged a watermain lateral connection charge at the time of
building permit issuance. The current 2003 connection charge is $4,513. The
sanitary sewer connection charges will be waived because the developer will
be installing the lateral sewer main. Sanitary sewer and water hookup charges
The City of Chanhassen, A growing community with clean lakes, quality schools, a charming downtown, thriving businesses, winding trails, and beautiful parks. A great place to live, work, and play.
Sharmeen A1-Jaff
July 2, 2003
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along with the Met Council's SAC fee will be due on all of the lots at the time
of building permit issuance. All of these charges are based on the number of
SAC units assigned by the Met Council. The current 2003 sanitary hookup
charge is $1,440/unit, the water hookup charge is $1,876/unit and the SAC fee
is $1,275/unit.
Public utility improvements will be required to be constructed in accordance
with the City's latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates.
Detailed construction plans and specifications will be required at the time of
final platting. The applicant will also be required to enter into a development
contract with the City and supply the necessary financial security in the form
of a letter of credit or cash escrow to guarantee installation of the
improvements and the conditions of final plat approval. Permits from the
appropriate regulatory agencies must be obtained, including but not limited to
the MPCA, Department of Health, Watershed District, MnDOT, etc.
RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
1. On the grading and utility plan:
a. Show all existing and proposed easements.
b. Label each of the new lots as custom graded.
c. Show the rear lookout elevation for Lot 3.
d. Show the location of the existing wood fence.
e. Show the existing sanitary service to Lot 2.
f. Show and label the existing 8-inch DIP watermain in West 86th Street.
g. Add a row of silt fence in back of the curb near the existing sanitary
manhole.
h. Move the lift station to within five feet of the common property line of
Lots 3 and 4.
2. All plans must be signed by a professional engineer registered in the state of
Minnesota.
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Detailed grading, drainage, tree removal, and' erosion control plans will be
required for each lot at the time of building permit application for City review
and approval.
4. Proposed runoff rates for the site must be submitted to ensure that the existing
storm sewer is sized sufficiently.
5. The lif~ station will be designed by the City and paid for by the developer.
6. Sanitary sewer and water hookup charges along with the Met Council's SAC
fee will be due on all of the lots at the time of building permit issuance.
Sharmeen A1-Jaff
July 2, 2003
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Since the applicant is now proposing more units that what was previously
assessed, the three additional units will be charged a watermain lateral
connection charge at the time of building permit issuance.
8. The developer is required to install the sanitary and water services to the
property line of the proposed lots.
9. Draintile is required to be installed in back of the curb on Tigua Lane.
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TO:
FROM:
Sharmin AI-Jaff, Senior Planner
Steven Torell, Building Official
DATE: June 30, 2003
SUBJ:
Review of a proposed subdivision located at the northwest
Comer of the intersection of West 86~ Street and Tigua Lane.
Planning Case: 2003-11 Subdivision
I have reviewed the plans for the above subdivision. Following are my comments,
which should be included as conditions of approval.
1. Soil reports must be provided for all lots where fill soils are placed or soil
correction work is done.
2. The owner and or their representative shall meet with the Inspections
Division as soon as possible to discuss plan review and permit procedures.
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DATE
FILE NO.
PROJECT
July 7, 2003
2003-11
Miller Subdivision
SWMP FEE WORKSHEET
Site Area in Acres
Outlot
Assessable area
ZONING CLASSIFICATION
RSF
2.00
0.00
2.00
WATER QUALITY
WATER QUANTITY
FEES
Rate per Acre Acres Total
$ 949.00
2.00 $ 1,898.00
Rate per Acre Acres Total
$ 2,348.00
2.00 $ 4,696.00
ITEM
Storm water pond
Outlet structure
UNIT
each
CREDITS
QUANTITY
0
0.00
UNIT TOTAL
PRICE PRICE
$ 949.00 $ -
$ 2,50o.0o $ -
SWMP FEE
SWMP CREDITS
6,594.00
TOTAL SWMP FEE $ 6,594.00
Preliminary Plat of RICE LAKE MANOR SECOND ADDITION
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CITYOF
7700 Market Boulevard
PO Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Administration
Phone: 952.227.1100
Fax: 952.227.1110
Building Inspections
Phone: 952.227.1180
Fax: 952.227.1190
Engineering
Phone: 952.227.1160
Fax: 952.227.1170
Finance
Phone: 952.227.1140
Fax: 952.227.1110
Park & Recreation
Phone: 952.227.1120
Fax: 952.227.1110
Recreation Center
2310 Coulter Boulevard
Phone: 952.227.1400
Fax: 952.227.1404
Planning &
Natural Resources
Phone: 952.227.1130
Fax: 952.227.1110
Public Works
1591 Park Road
Phone: 952.227.1300
Fax: 952.227.1310
Senior Center
Phone: 952.227.1125
Fax: 952.227.1110
Web Site
www.ci.chanhassen.mn.us
TO:
FROM:
Sharmeen A1-Jaff, Senior Planner
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
DATE: July 10, 2003
SUB J:
Park Dedication Fees for Planning Case 2003-11,
8590 Tigua Lane
I have reviewed the application for replat of Lot 8, Block 1, Rice Lake Manor
into 4 lots. The three newly created lots are required to pay a one-time park
dedication fee of $2,400 per unit for a total charge of $7,200. This fee shall
be paid at the time of subdivision approval.
C.'
Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director
Matt Saam, Asst. City Engineer
The City of Chanhassen · A growing community with clean lakes, quality schools, a charming downtown, thriving businesses, winding trails, and beautiful parks. A great place to live, work, and play.
CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
JULY 15, 2003
SUMMAR¥ MINUTES
PUBLIC HEARING:
REOUEST FOR REPLAT OF LOT 8, BLOCK 1, RICE LAKE MANOR INTO 4 LOTS
ON PROPERTY ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, LOCATED AT THE
NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST 86m STREET AND
TIGUA LANE, 8590 TIGUA LANE, KURT MILLER.
Public Present:
Name Address
Tony Greaves
Marty Schutrop
570 West 78th Street
540 Lakota Lane, Chaska
Sharmeen AI-Jaff presented the staff report on this item. Commissioner Feik had concerns with
the driveway access from Lot 3 onto a curve in the road. Commissioner Claybaugh asked about
drainage, especially for Lots 1, 3 and 4. Commissioner Lillehaug wanted staff to discuss the need
for a lift station and if the city has looked at options of tying into the sanitary sewer system
located to the west of this site. Chairman Sacchet asked for clarification on the tree canopy
requirement.
Chairman Sacchet opened the public heating. Marty Schutrop, representing the applicant, stated
he was the builder and purchaser of the lots once this subdivision is approved. He explained the
need for the lift stations. No one else wished to speak and Chairman Sacchet closed the public
hearing. After commission discussion the following motion was made.
Feik moved, Lillehaug seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the
preliminary plat for Subdivision 003-11 for Rice Lake Manor Second Addition for 4 lots as
shown on plans dated November 19, 2002, subject to the following conditions:
1. City Forester conditions:
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The applicant shall submit a landscape plan showing a minimum of 12 trees to be
planted.
A minimum of two (2) deciduous, overstory trees shall be required in the front
yard of each lot.
The applicant shall be responsible for installing all landscape materials proposed
in the rear yard areas.
Tree preservation fence shall be installed at the edge of the grading limits on Lots
3 and 4, Block 1 prior to any construction.
2. On the grading and utility plan:
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Show all existing and proposed easements.
Label each of the new lots as custom graded.
Show the rear lookout elevation for Lot 3.
Show the location of the existing wood fence.
Show the existing sanitary service to Lot 2.
Show and label the existing 8 inch DIP watermain in West 86th Street.
Add a row of silt fence in back of the curb near the existing sanitary manhole.
Move the lift station to within five feet of the common property line of Lots 3 and
4.
All plans must be signed by a professional engineer registered in the State of Minnesota.
Detailed grading, drainage, tree removal, and erosion control plans will be required for
each lot at the time of building permit application for City review and approval.
Proposed runoff rates for the site must be submitted to ensure that the existing storm
sewer is sized sufficiently.
The lift station will be designed by the City and paid for by the developer.
Sanitary sewer and water hookup charges along with the Met Council's SAC fee will be
due on all of the lots at the time of building permit issuance.
Since the applicant is now proposing more units than what was previously assessed, the
three additional units will be charged a watermain lateral connection charge at the time of
building permit issuance.
The applicant is required to install the sanitary and water services to the property line of
the proposed lots.
Drain tile is required to be installed in back of the curb on Tigua Lane.
Based on the proposed developed area of approximately 2 acres, the water quality fees
associated with this project are $1,898 and a water quantity fee of approximately $4,969
for the proposed development. AT this time the estimated total SWMP fee due payable to
the City at the time of final plat recording is $6,594.
The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies
(e.g. Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District, Minnesota Pollution Control
Agency) and comply with their conditions of approval.
Building Official conditions:
a.
b.
Soil reports must be provided for all lots where fill soils are placed or soil
correction work is done.
The owner and/or their representative shall meet with the Inspections Division as
soon as possible to discuss plan review and permit procedures.
Park and trail fees shall be paid as required by ordinance for the three new lots only. The
total fee based on 2003 park fee requirements is $2,400 per lot or $7,200 for the three lots,
payable at the time of final plat recording.
15.
The driveway serving Lot 3 shall be located to the north as far as reasonably
possible.
AH voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS
In summary the Planning Commission fully supports this subdivision. It complies fully. There
was a concern about the lift station servicing only three lots and in view of the possibly of more
lots coming in, they asked staff to double check the possibilities of having more lots fie into a
gravity system going to the west.
CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
JULY 15, 2003
VERBA TIM MINUTES
PUBLIC HEARING:
REOUEST FOR REPLAT OF LOT 8. BLOCK 1. RICE LAKE MANOR INTO 4 LOTS
ON PROPERTY ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY. LOCATED AT THE
NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST 86'r~ STREET AND
TIGUA LANE. 8590 TIGUA LANE. KURT MILLER.
Public Present:
Name Address
Tony Greaves
Marty Schutrop
570 West 78th Street
540 Lakota Lane, Chaska
Sharmeen AI-Jaff presented the staff report on this item.
Sacchet: Questions from staff.
Feik: I've got one. I'm going to address what I guess is Lot 3. In relationship to 2 weeks ago
with a drive access directly onto the curve, what are the long term plans of the extension of Tigua,
if that's pronounced correctly. I'm not sure. As it relates to how much more traffic, what's going
to be, do you think's going to be happening to this other lot to the east. How much more traffic
and are you going to be comfortable with the driveway out onto that curve? Because I know last
time we had a site like this, there was significant concern up here.
Saam: As far as the extension of Tigua, we don't foresee that being extended per se.
Feik: But if those other lots were subdivided in the future.
Saam: Yeah, there's potential for the large lots on the east side of Tigua, I guess to maybe get
one more lot. I believe we have or we've been talking to a property owner now who's pretty
much across the street from this site looking at dividing, adding one more lot so we could
potentially get about 6 more.
Feik: Could those lots be assembled or is there wetlands precluding that from a higher density?
Saam: There are wetlands on the south side, directly south of this site on the south side of Tigua
which, plus there's 312 coming through. MnDot has purchased right-of-way. So in my mind that
really limits the large lots on the south side of Tigua.
Feik: I'm thinking more of the east, north east.
Saam: Yep, and those are the ones that I said previously that I could see possibly 4 to 6 more lots
coming in there.
Feik: That looks to be about a quarter section or something. Just kind of the way it lays out.
Saam: Yeah I think it was 40 acres that was, yeah so that's.
Feik: So I mean if a creative developer were to come in and assemble it, it could be a whole lot
more lots.
Saam: If a what?
Feik: A creative developer came in and assembled the lots, you could probably get 60-70 lots up
there.
A1-Jaff: I don't believe that is a possibility only because there is Rice Marsh Lake. And to the
northeast of this overall subdivision there's quite a bit of wetland. This is an environmental lake
so you need 40,000 square feet per lot versus your typical 20,000. There are a number of things
that will come into play.
Feik: Okay. I'm just concerned with it, that we're going to be comfortable with the driveway
coming out on a curve. In the long run.
Saam: Yeah, in the long mn we are. We'd like to see it aligned either with the existing one right
across the street or, where is that Malt? Okay, this is the lot that we're talking about right across
the street. It's right here is the driveway. I don't know it doesn't show up good on this plan.
There is another plan...
Lillehaug: It's labeled bid driveway.
Saam: Yeah, it's on the other side.
Lillehaug: It's on this sheet also.
Feik: It's further north. Further north around the curve.
Saam: Yep that's it right there, I'm sorry. So here's the bid drive, so we'd like you to have it
aligned with that existing drive or, and the applicant can talk to this, if they want to turn this lot
pad or house pad down in this area and then get it more on the straight away section. I think for
sight distance it would probably be better here. You're dropping down and see better around the
curve but maybe the applicant can speak to that.
Sacchet: Thanks Matt.
Feik: That was the only question for now, thanks.
Sacchet: Okay.
Claybaugh: What is the speed limit on Tigua?
Saam: It's 301 believe.
Claybaugh: And staff is looking at addressing some of the drainage issues for Lots 1, 3 and 4,
I'm assuming through the customer grading.
Saam: Yes. And we've requested runoff calculations to ensure that the existing storm sewer in
Tigua Lane is sized correctly.
Claybaugh: Alright. Looks like there's plenty of areas for swales on Lot 4 and 3. On Lot 1, any
concerns with it going onto the adjacent property? Are you satisfied that they'll have enough
room to custom grade that and contain that within their own property.
Saam: I believe they've be able to custom grade it to swales along the lot lines, and we do have
drainage and utility easements, even on the property to the west so that will all.
Claybaugh: That's all the questions that I have.
Sacchet: Questions? Rich.
Slagle: I'll let Steve ask any questions.
Lillehaug: I'll go first then. I'm going to pick on you Matt for a little bit here. You know when I
pick on you but can we discuss the lift station here a little bit. We got a small lift station, 2 inch
force main for it appears to be at this time anyway, for only 3 lots. Can you kind of discuss why
we need the lift station and also hit on, there's another sanitary system to the west and discuss if
we've looked at options of tying into that sanitary sewer system. Compare it to the gravity versus
force main and, I mean force main is expensive to the city to maintain and.
Saam: Yeah. Well the existing sanitary that's on the site is in the northeast corner of the site.
The elevation or the invert elevation, where that pipe comes into the manhole is higher than the
lowest floor of all three of the new lots. So we can't gravity flow to that existing sewer so we had
to lift to it.
Lillehaug: How about the other sewer?
Saam: Yeah, however there is a manhole at the intersection of Mission Hills Lane and West 86th.
I think it's about 200 feet possibly to the west. I believe that invert, we did look at that. That is
low enough to service, however the construction cost, tearing up the streets, that sort of thing, we
gave the applicant the option either, you can either install a lift station, which is costly, or you can
go and rip up our whole street. We'd like to avoid ripping up the street whenever we can. That's
why we've asked them to pul the lift station in the boulevard. Put the pipe in the boulevard so we
won't, we can limit the amount of bituminous repair. That sort of thing.
Lillehaug: Who pays for the future maintenance of that lift station?
Saam: It's a public line so city maintenance staff will upkeep it and city dollars will.
Lillehaug: Okay, and then comment on the typical maintenance, just generally. Gravity versus a
force main with lift station. I mean the cost.
Saam: Oh it's definitely more attention needed to a lift station. I think twice a year, don't quote
me on that but I believe it's twice a year our guys pull out the pumps and check them all and do
all that sort of stuff. And then at least twice a week they go around, we have 30 other lift stations
in town. They go around and check flows to make sure they're still working, that sort of thing.
So it is more of an upkeep per se.
Lillehaug: And cost on the city as a whole and not just these residents, correct?
Saam: Yeah, I guess you could say that, yep. However this station, like you said, I mean it is a
small one so. Electrical power, that sort of thing, there wouldn't be a huge demand on this one.
I'm sure the pumps won't have to be very big.
Lillehaug: How many other similar size lift stations and force mains do we have in this city that
are comparable to this and that service you know 3 residents?
Saam: I don't know of the correct answer. I would guess this is probably the smallest one. I
haven't heard of one like this before. I mean the other options Commissioner Lillehaug would to
require these houses to install in-house grinder pumps. Basically little lift stations or little sump
pumps for their sanitary sewer in their own basement. That's something the city has tried to stay
away from in the past. We don't like to recommend those. When problems happen, they're
privately maintained so when problems happen, residents will call us and it's kind of like well,
you're on your own and we don't like, we'd rather have them be able to flush it out into the
public right-of-way and then let us take care of it from there.
Lillehaug: So you said that other sanitary system will, it is low enough. The invert is low enough
and it's only 200 feet away?
Saam: If you give me a second I'll double check that. I have the as-builts here.
Lillehaug: Okay, and then the distance also. I mean 200 feet is not that much.
Sacchet: Which side of the street? Which side of the street too.
Saam: Yeah, it's right in the center.
Slagle: As you're looking at that Matt, the thing I would like to ask is, is just the difference in the
cost. I mean it sounds like the applicant had his choice and he probably chose the lesser of the
two, but if we're talking you know, it's not night and day, certainly it might offset the future costs
of the city by maintaining our lift stations.
Saam: The exact costs I don't have in front of me. We could look at that and maybe the
applicant has weighed those costs, I'm not sure.
Sacchet: We can ask the applicant what the reasoning was.
Lillehaug: And then while you're looking at that, there are 3 watermain services crossing Tigua
Lane, and that distance is about, I don't know, 100-150 feet. That will be impacted on the
roadway. So that's anticipated to repair that roadway under this plan. So that would be similar
construction, you know adding 200 more feet onto the west of that sanitary system.
Saam: What's the question? What's the 150 feet, I didn't follow that.
Lillehaug: Where the watermain services have to cross Tigua Lane.
Saam: Yeah.
Lillehaug: We're already disturbing Tigua Lane, about 150 feet of Tigua Lane.
Saam: Those will just be 10 foot, you know...it will only be 10 foot like trenches in 3 spots so
basically patches in the street whereas the sewer, you know we like to keep that in the middle of
the street. If we're going to put gravity in, so that, you'd be clearing out 10 feet on each side that
way.
Lillehaug: In a special circumstance would the city allow, it appears on West 86th Street there's a
boulevard there that looks to be about 40 feet in width. Would the city in a special circumstance
allow that sanitary to be placed in the boulevard? And not underneath the roadway. I'm just
trying to get around this force main. I don't want to pay for this lift station for the rest of our
lives here.
Saam: Yeah. You know keep in mind we do have 30 other ones.
Lillehaug: Right. But I mean this is one less...
Saam: The invert of that manhole to the west is approximately yeah, okay I misspoke. It's about
891 or 892 so that wouldn't work either. That's why we need to go with a lift station.
Feik: It'd be down to what, 8?
Saam: You'd need it to be at least 3 to 4 feet below those basements to get under the footings and
have enough...plus yeah, 200 feet so either way we'll need a lift station. And this is then the
shortest route to go around to the northeast so my mistake. I misspoke earlier. That elevation to
the west isn't low enough.
Lillehaug: What do we do when these other parcels develop, are developed?
Saam: Well the ones on the east side of the street that Commissioner Slagle is concerned with,
there is sewer in all their back yards down in the low ground near the lake and in those wetlands
there. So they can connect to that or extend up their own private service off of that.
Lillehaug: I'm running out of questions.
Claybaugh: Is that a bad thing?
Lillehaug: Well it is, I'm trying to shoot this lift station down but.
Saam: Don't get us wrong, we'd like to not have to put one in. We see it's only serving 3 houses
but we really don't see any other options other than those grinder pumps which we don't like to
have people have to deal with them. I mean if their electricity goes out, we're stuck so.
Slagle: So Matt, quick question for you. So you don't foresee any future development from any
of the other lots that would require using the lift station? In other words, you aren't going to
come up 3 years from now that hey guys, we've got to increase the size of this lift station because
of whatever.
Saam: We looked at, at least our department looked at the lot directly to the south. There's a lot
of wetland there and MnDot has approximately half of that parcel for 312 so in our opinion they
won't need to connect to that. And even if they would, there's the sewer still to the east there, so
with future lot divisions we could have it extended.
Sacchet: Is that it for questions from staff?.
Lillehaug: Do we anticipate extending that sewer for any of those leftover parcels from 3127 Is
this premature?
Saam: Potentially it could be extended. With the application that I think we have in now, I
haven't reviewed it yet but maybe we look at extending it at that time. That parcel has a public
sewer main in it so that's really another issue.
Sacchet: Well I have one more question. I was going to hammer on this lift station too and it's
just, it's a little hokey but I guess we don't have a better possibility fight now. What scares me a
little bit is this seems like this is meant to be a permanent lift station. It's my understand that a
fair amount of the lift stations we have in the city are temporary for when the sewer actually gets
extended and the lift station will be necessary and it will become a gravity. In this case it's lift
station period, is that correct?
Saam: Correct, yep. The only temporary that I know of is up I think near you in Highover there.
Sacchet: Yeah, that's a temporary one. My other question, which is a little out of character is
about the trees. The canopy. We're asking for minimum canopy coverage but there is no canopy
there fight now, so how can we ask for tree preservation when there are really that many trees
there now? I mean a couple of them are being cut. Like if we look at fight now there is basically
according to the calculation, no canopy is lost. I don't think that's necessarily true once the
houses go in, but can we still hold them to the 25 percent minimum canopy requirement?
AI-Jaff.' Yes.
Sacchet: We can. Just want to be real clear about that. Thanks for clarifying.
AI-Jaff.' There's a subdivision. They have to maintain that minimum.
Sacchet: They have to fit into this framework, okay. Thanks for clarifying that. With that I
would like to invite the applicant to come forward. State your name and address and if you want
to tell us your story, or anything you have to add from your side, please come up.
Marty Schutrop: My name is Marty Schutrop and I'm not the applicant. I'm representing the
applicant because he's out of town. I will be the purchaser of the lots once they are approved by
the City Council.
Sacchet: Okay, so you're a developer?
Marty Schutrop: I'm a builder.
Sacchet: A builder, okay. And your address is?
Marty Schutrop: 540 Lakota Lane. And so I'm basically representing him here and I just read
the packet today so I'm kind of... There's on Lot 3, the comment that you were saying about Lot
3 and the driveway. I don't know who was commenting, was it Matt that was commenting or
somebody was saying push the house over, the house pad over to the south. I would prefer to put
the driveway on the high end of the lot because it does slope up dramatically there. So I don't
want to be restricted to where the driveway goes in there, so that's one stipulation that would be
something that I'd want to look at.
Sacchet: Questions from the applicant.
Claybaugh: Could you explain on your comment about the driveway for Lot 3? You said you'd
like to justify it to the north end. I guess in looking at the site plan that I have in front of me, I
wouldn't have a problem whether it was justified towards the north end of the lot or to the
southwest as long as it was to the extreme edge of the curve on Tigua.
Marty Schutrop: Yeah the only thing is if we went to the other route, this lot we're proposing as
a daylight lot. Lookout windows and that would be, and I would want to put the lookout's on
here.
Claybaugh: So at this time where would you anticipate that driveway, just based on what you
told us here?
Marty Schutrop: Toward the high end of the, or to the, that'd be the north. The north side of that
lot, yeah. Kind of where his comes down there. It would be kind of conjoining with that, so it
would be.
Claybaugh: Okay, so it's out away from the...
Marty Schutrop: Yeah, I agree. I don't want it to come straight out on the curve either so that's
not the right place for it to come out.
Claybaugh: With respect to the main over the, the force main and that is an awful small
forcemain. And what was your position, your personal position as a builder...
Marty Schutrop: And again Matt was the one who said that we should probably go with the
lifters. We looked at doing that down at the other end there and the other issue is we were going
to have to try and justify it to the neighbors tearing up the street for the amount of time it would
take us to put that in and closing that down.
Claybaugh: So just so I'm clear, the elevation that you pulled up, the invert elevation for the
other sanitary to the west is too low based on the basement elevations that we have for those three
lots?
Saam: Actually it'd be too high.
Claybaugh: I'm sorry, too high. Pardon me.
Saam: Yeah.
Claybaugh: So that is not an option?
Saam: Not without a lift station that way.
Claybaugh: Okay.
Feik: Is there any excess soils to raise the pads?
Marty Schutrop: No. Right now the, where the grades would be, our driveways are going to end
up being at about a 9 percent grade right now I believe, is that kind of where we're at, which is 10
percent is the maximum grade for our driveway so...
Claybaugh: Right, the garage elevation pads are up pretty high.
Marty Schutrop: Right, we can't raise them up any higher than what they are right now. I mean
I'd love to because then we could do daylights on all these lots.
Claybaugh: As the potential builder for the lots, what was your perspective on utilizing grinder
pumps in lieu of the force main?
Marty Schutrop: Well I agree. I don't think homeowners want to deal with that and they never
maintain them anyway. They only maintain their sump pumps you know. They let them burn out
and then they call me when their basements are flooded. Something that I wouldn't want to sell
to a homeowner.
Claybaugh: Okay, and with respect to the lift station, the force main and the rest of it, the
developer's boring the cost and the city maintains it after a set period of time? Is that correct?
Saam: Yes.
Claybaugh: So obviously you believe in that because you're.
Marty Schutrop: Well you know we didn't want to do a lift station either because we're going to
end up paying for that cost which I think was going to be more than if we were going to have to
gravity feed it, and then you've got the street.
Claybaugh: Oh clearly, okay. That's all the questions I have.
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Sacchet: Any more questions for the applicant? Steve, no questions?
Lillehaug: You wouldn't consider having them all, or getting rid of the basements so we don't
need to have that lift station?
Marty Schutrop: Only if it's multi-family and you let me put 10 units in there.
Sacchet: Alright, thank you very much. This is a public hearing so if anybody wants to come
forward to address this item, please do so now. Seeing nobody, I close the public hearing and
bring it back to the commission for discussion and comments. Who wants to start?
Claybaugh: Okay. Comments, let's see. The driveway issue on Lot 3, this seems to be a non-
issue. The square footage on the lots, certainly they've got it proportioned or it appears to be
well. Again as it's been pounded through the discussion thus far the big issue is the force main
and the limited size of it, the necessity to place that infrastructure in place to serve just 3
properties but through the discussion there doesn't appear to be a better alternative so if, I support
it in it's current form.
Sacchet: Thank you Craig. Bruce.
Feik: I support it as well. I would also like to see that driveway moved to the north as far as
possible.
Sacchet: Rich?
Slagle: No comments.
Sacchet: No comment. Steve.
Lillehaug: I support it but I just want to remind staff to take a look at that lift station. If those
parcels to the south and southeast are developed in the turn back land from 312 or whatever
through there and sanitary sewer is extended, and if we could possibly get rid of this lift station in
the future and tie up with some sanitary that's extended, that'd be great. I'd also like staff to
double and triple check to make sure we can't find a sanitary to the west. Other than that I just
don't like the idea of putting that small lift station there but it looks unavoidable so I would
support it, thanks.
Sacchet: Thanks Steve. I don't have too much to add. I think it would be reasonable to make a
condition about that driveway on Lot 3, just to be clear. And yeah, if there's anyway around this
lift station by all means and I think it's a good idea to ask staff to double check and look at this
very carefully before it goes to council. With that, anything else? I'm ready to take a motion.
Feik: I'll make a motion. I move that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the
preliminary plat for Subdivision//03-11 for Rice Lake Manor Second Addition for 4 lots as
shown on plans dated November 19, 2002, subject to the following conditions 1 through 14 with
an amendment 15 being added. That the driveway serving Lot 3 shall be located to the north as
far as reasonably possible. That's my motion.
Sacchet: We have a motion. Is there a second?
Lillehaug: Second.
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Sacchet: Question. Possible friendly amendment. Should we say that driveway should be to the
northeast or to the southwest edge of the lot?
Feik: Well if he goes south then he's going to lose his lookout.
Sacchet: Yeah, good point. Okay, that settles it. No, that's it. We have a motion. We have a
second.
Feik moved, Lillehaug seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the
preliminary plat for Subdivision S03-11 for Rice Lake Manor Second Addition for 4 lots as
shown on plans dated November 19, 2002, subject to the following conditions:
1. City Forester conditions:
a.
b.
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d.
The applicant shall submit a landscape plan showing a minimum of 12 trees to be
planted.
A minimum of two (2) deciduous, overstory trees shall be required in the front
yard of each lot.
The applicant shall be responsible for installing all landscape materials proposed
in the rear yard areas.
Tree preservation fence shall be installed at the edge of the grading limits on Lots
3 and 4, Block 1 prior to any construction.
2. On the grading and utility plan:
a.
Show
Show
Show
Show
all existing and proposed easements.
each of the new lots as custom graded.
the rear lookout elevation for Lot 3.
the location of the existing wood fence.
the existing sanitary service to Lot 2.
Show and label the existing 8 inch DIP watermain in West 86m Street.
Add a row of silt fence in back of the curb near the existing sanitary manhole.
Move the lift station to within five feet of the common property line of Lots 3 and
4.
3. All plans must be signed by a professional engineer registered in the State of Minnesota.
.
Detailed grading, drainage, tree removal, and erosion control plans will be required for
each lot at the time of building permit application for City review and approval.
Proposed runoff rates for the site must be submitted to ensure that the existing storm
sewer is sized sufficiently.
6. The lift station will be designed by the City and paid for by the developer.
.
Sanitary sewer and water hookup charges along with the Met Council's SAC fee will be
due on all of the lots at the time of building permit issuance.
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10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
Since the applicant is now proposing more units than what was previously assessed, the
three additional units will be charged a watermain lateral connection charge at the time of
building permit issuance.
The applicant is required to install the sanitary and water services to the property line of
the proposed lots.
Drain tile is required to be installed in back of the curb on Tigua Lane.
Based on the proposed developed area of approximately 2 acres, the water quality fees
associated with this project are $1,898 and a water quantity fee of approximately $4,969
for the proposed development. AT this time the estimated total SWMP fee due payable to
the City at the time of final plat recording is $6,594.
The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies
(e.g. Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District, Minnesota Pollution Control
Agency) and comply with their conditions of approval.
Building Official conditions:
a.
b.
Soil reports must be provided for all lots where fill soils are placed or soil
correction work is done.
The owner and/or their representative shall meet with the Inspections Division as
soon as possible to discuss plan review and permit procedures.
Park and trail fees shall be paid as required by ordinance for the three new lots only. The
total fee based on 2003 park fee requirements is $2,400 per lot or $7,200 for the three lots,
payable at the time of final plat recording.
15.
The driveway serving Lot 3 shah be located to the north as far as reasonably
possible.
AH voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
Sacchet: And for sn~mmary for the council, we fully support this subdivision. It complies
fully. We have concern however that we share pretty much I think all of us about that lift
station. We would really like to see a solution that could be accommodated with gravity for
the sewer and not needing a lift station, just for three lots. Also in view of possibly more lots
coming in, that's something that we ask staff to look into, what the possibilities are in terms
of possibly having more lots that could tie into that and double check that really can't be
gravity going to the west. Anything else you want to add to the summary? No? Alright,
that's it. Thank you very much.
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