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9.5 Locating YMCACITYOF 690 G9, Center Drive PO Box I47 Cha,/mse,, Mi,,esota 55317 Phone 952.937.1900 Ge, eral F~r 952.93Z5739 Engineering Dqamnent 952.93?9152 Building Deparonent Fax 952. 93 4. 2524 W4b Site u,wm cl. cha,hasse,, mn. tts MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: Scott Botcher, City Manager /// . Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director DATE: Februat3, 6, 2001 SUB J: Park and Recreation Commissiop Recommendation to Pursue Locating a YMCA in Chanhassen Attached please find a staff report written to the Park and Recreation Commission dated January 2, 2001 regarding the YMCA. The minutes of the commission's discussion on this item dated January 23,2001 are also attached. On the evening of January 23, Commissioner Berg made the following motion: That the Park & Recreation Commission recommends to the City Council that they pursue locating a YMCA in the City of Chanhassen and recommends that questions be placed on the upcoming community survey to test the community's interest in a YMCA. Commissioner Howe seconded the motion and all voted in favor. Please forward the Commission's recommendation to the City Council. G :\park\th\prcylncarecomm fhe Cia, of Chanhassen. A cmwhi¢ com,m,/tv with c{ea, lakes, anal~tv srhnnh, a cha~mi, v dow,tow,, thrivi,a h,d,e.,ec ,,d /~em,ti[~,/ na,'h, .4 a,'e,t n/,c~ t,/i,,~. ,,orb_ ,,d nb~, CIT¥OF 6ilo G0, Center D;'ive PO Box I47 C/;a,h~sse,, 3/in,esot~ 55317 ~52. 23~ Ge,eral Fav 952.93~573P E, gineerhtg Dep~rnm.,t Q52f13ZQ/52 gtd/d/,g Dep~rt,tent 952.934.252~ It~'b Site MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: Park and Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director DATE: January 2, 2001 SUB J: Discuss the Possibilities of Locating a YMCA Center in Chanhassen At the request of the Commission, this item has been scheduled as part of your rd January 23 meeting. Mr. Brian Hubbard, the Director of Development for the YMCA of Metropolitan Minneapolis, assigned to the Carver County area, has supplied the attached materials. Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director and I prepared a map showing "possible" YMCA sites. We identified 8 of the "most likely" development sites in the event that a YMCA project would occur. C; Scott Botcher, City Manager Todd Gerhard, Asst. City Manager Kate Aanenson, Corranunity Development Director Mr. Brian Hubbard G :park\th\YMCAtocatingmem January 2, 2001 Dear Chanhassen Parks & Recreation Commission, Thank you for your interest in continuing to investigate opportunities for partnership with the YMCA of Metropolitan Minneapolis. I am excited with the response I have gotten during my community meetings throughout Carver County and especially with leaders in Chanhassen. I have held over 50 such meetings and have a strong feeling about how a YMCA would benefit this community. Todd Hoffman has requested three pieces of information in preparation for your work session in a couple ofxveeks. Here is that information: 1) What acreage is needed to build a YMCA? Most YMCA's are situated on 8- 12 acres of land. Some of the determining factors include the estimation for the amount of parla'ng needed based on facility usage and ' what outdoor space is needed for programming (i.e. soccer/baseball fields, tennis courts, amphitheater; etc.). The specific amount would be based on these things as well as land availability during the planning stages ora facility. However, a minimum of eight acres would be required. 2) How long is the plmming and construction timeline? The answer to this question is circumstantial. Assuming the YMCA of Metropolitan Minneapolis finds a key partner(s) to collaborate with on this project, the following would be a possible timelh~e: *Feasibility Study Stage (2 - 4 months) A faciliO, feasibility study would be conducted. This stud), would evaluate the program and facility needs and desires of the comnzunity. *Fundraising & Financing Stage (6 months- 2 years) Ifa key partner is located, a financing pIan would be developed that would include partner costs, a capital campaign drive and possible debt financing. 7he time range is dependent on the amount of financing available and other fundraising options. *Facility Development & Planning Stage (1 yea0 (Will happen in conjunction with the Fundraising & Financing stage) Based on the feasibility study and the interest of the key partner(s), the faciliO, design will be developed and necessao, approvals will be obtained. *Construction Stage (6- !2 months) This is an average range for most YMCAs that are built. As with any construction I~roject, many factors affect the timeline fora large-scale facility. 3) What are the top benefits of a YMCA to the local community? It is difficult for me to narrow down the list of what I would tell you most communities ident~ as benefits that come as a rexult ora 7MCA. However; some of the most n o teworthy th ings f th ink you would h earfi'om corn m un ities in clude: *UNIQUE - Every YMCA is unique to it's communiO; and provides programs, services and facilities that are needed in that area; *MISSJON-D~VEN - As a not-for-profit organization, the YMCA is committed to being a solid part ora healthy communiO, through programs that develop spirit, mind and body for all. The four core values of Caring, Honest, Respect, and Res~onsibili~ are at the heart of all programs in planning and implementation; *COMMUNJTY FOCUSED - Provides a positive, wholesome communi~ gathering . . place for people of all ages; *LOCAL LEADERSHIP - A local Board of Director's gives leade}'ship to each 7A(CA helping to determine new initiatives, programs and xe~wices; *~SPONSJVE - Provides programs and o~ortunities fi'om ve~ young to ~'e~3' old which change as the needs of the communiO, changes; *NATJONAL - 73(CA are located in over 2, 500 countries across the nation and have develo~ed an outstanding re])utation. Also, the YMCA ~ A WAY~rogram allo~,,s memberx to use a~o, 7MCA in the countO, while traveling on business or ~leasure; *STRONG H]STOR7 - The 7MCA is celebrating ]50 years of working with and in communities to change lives and make a d~ference in people; I hope this information helps you during your work session. Again, I'm encouraged that Chanhassen might join over 2,500 communities that have a YMCA in their area focused on building strong kids, strong families and strong communities. Please feel free to contact me if I can give you any further information and I would be more than happy to talk with you more specifically in the weeks to come. I can be reached by phone at 952- 582-8245. Respectfully, Brian V. Hubbard Director of Conmmnity Development YMCA of Metropolitan Mim-~eapolis CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 23, 2001 Chairwonmn Lash called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Mike Howe, Rod Franks, Jim Manders, Jar Karlovich, and David Moes MEMBERS ABSENT: None. STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Superintendent; and Corey Hoen, Recreation Supervisor APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Approved as presented. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None. DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITIES OF LOCATING A YMCA CENTER IN CHANHASSEN. Hoffman: Thank you Chair Lash, members of the commission. I'll go over briefly the documents that were distributed in this packet. At the request of the commission this was originally scheduled for January 9°~. That evening ran late. Tabled it until this evening. Brian Hubbard has responded to the three questions posed to lfim. What acreage is needed to build a YMCA? His answer or response, most are situated on 8 to 12 acres of land. The second question is the planning and construction time line? And he goes through that and what the total there is about 2 years. Little more than that. Almost 3 years. Then what are the top benefits the YMCA to the local community and then he gives a broader answer. Talking about the uniqueness of the Y. The mission driven organization, community focus, leadership, etc. If you were to ask Kevin McShane the day of the Chamber meeting it was because you can have a piece of ice sheet in it. That's a paying benefit to a YMCA. They have a pool and the other people that chimed in and says yeah, we pay the same kind of taxes as any other town and we want those facilities so that's what we get out of the Chamber meeting. The final item was the map that Kate Aanenson and I put together. Chanhassen, oh probably 5 or 10 years ago was known as a land rich community. It is no longer a land rich co~nmunity. There are limited sites. These sites are located all on the south side of Highway 5 and basically along the corridor between Audubon Road and Highway 41. And as noted, most of these sites would, or all of them work out, would work out as far as a location. Some of them are already under developlnent pressure. The intersection of 41 and 5, the south and west side is being looked at by Fairview for a medical center. There are other uses being contemplated on other parcels as well so. That's the background information that the commission was presented and that' s really all staff has to present to the commission prior to opening it for your discussion. Lash: Okay, thanks Todd. Is there anyone want to throw out some questions first to Todd? Maybe just kind of open this up. I think this... Franks: If there an order in which you want to kind of deal with the general areas of questions like land or facility or where we want to go? Hoffinan: Jan can decide that. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Franks: Jan? Lash: What? Franks: Do we want to break this discussion down? Lash: Any way you want Rod. What works for you? Franks: Well I'rn a linear thinker and so. Lash: Okay, go ahead. Franks: Grasping like a discussion maybe of what type of facility would look, or and then more of a discussion of what possible areas would work and then move into a discussion about the type of facility. Lash: Okay. Hoffman: Process. Franks: Process. I'd like to open then with the basic kind of report. If we could entertain a discussion amongst the co~rnnission about possible sites roi' the YMCA. Lash: Do you want to start us off? I thimk you have some thoughts. Franks: I do have a couple of thoughts. Are you going to put the map up on the? There's 2 parcels that I was interested in. A couple of parameters that I set when I was looking at these places was to stay as close to downtown or population area so it's integrated into the more downtown area. And then to stay close to the Highway 5 corridor as well so it's accessible to both north Chan and south Chan as well. Deals them equal sense of ownership. Also Highway 5 is a conduit going east and west as well to draw in lnembers of the other communities, Victoria and Eden Prairie. The piece that really struck me first was the ~nd of triangular shaped piece off Powers Boulevard to the west of Lake Susan. And Todd as I understand it, that little kind of trapezoid kind of piece right to the south and west of that, is that parkland already? Hoffman: Yes. Fl'at, s: And does that follow that. Hoffman: Creek. Franks: The creek. And so who currently owns that? Hoffman: ...the originator of the NordicTrak. Lash: Where are you? I'm lost. Hoffinan: Right there. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Howe: That' s the railroad tracks just north of it there? Franks: Yeah. Karlovich: Where is the park land? Hoffman: Park land is right here. Franks: And then it goes across of course Powers into the Lake Susan Park. And what I liked about that was it's on Powers Boulevard, which is a nice, big 4 lane divided and then connected to Lake Susan Park makes it kind of nice. And it's still pretty really convenes to that whole downtown area. How much land is that parcel? Is that a little bit more than 8 or pretty close? Hoffman: It's larger than 8. I don't have the exact size. It's probably closer to 12. Franks: Now is that, I hate to even ask this question. I could look in the map but is this parcel included in any of that Bluff Creek area? Or is that tributary into Lake Susan or that creek, is that? Hoffman: No. Different watershed. Franks: Different watershed, okay. So we're safe. Hoffinan: ...on this property. Woods as well. The building itself would be somewhat tucked away up on top of the hill, which is, not much people need to see... They're going to know where it's at. Franks: Is it a usable site for that considering the parking and everything that need to occur? Looking at the topography. Hoffman: Sure. That's why we picked it. Franks: The other one of course is over by that business park. Hoffman: Which one? Franks: Up on top of. Hoffman: 5 and 41 ? Franks: Right by your finger. South of there. Right up on top of the hill there. Isn't that where that oak knoll is? Hoffman: Yep. Lash: But that's not part of the Smith Memorial Park now? Hoffman: No, it's an industrial lot that's part of the Arboretum Village. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Franks: Right, and so I thought that'd be another nice spot close to 41 and 5, and then right next to Memorial Park too so it'd be a really nice setting. Those are just some of my thoughts about possible sites. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts too. Karlovich: I have a question for Todd. If money wasn't an issue, what do you think would be the best site? Hoffman: Different variables. Both of those sites are very nicely situated.in natural resource settings which are a benefit to oh, kind of the how you feel once you're there. Out of those two I like the one to the east simply because it's centered a bit more in the area of Chanhassen. And then the sites that are up around. Karlovich: Do they need Highway 5 visibility is kind of? Hoffman: Yeah. These sites, 1, 2, 3, 4 that would have some Highway 5 visibility. And then these two, the two that are situated around the wetland complex are also a pretty nice size as far as being able to put a YMCA and who knows what's going to be there but you're going to have some outdoor activity where people are going to be able to either look out at large expanses of windows or be outside and look over a natural resource area rather than looking over Highway 5 or the street. So these four sites offer some of that. These four sites offer more visibility and also the, presumably more expensive due to the Highway 5 frontage. Karlovich: Do you have any idea like in price per square foot, what the difference is? Do we know? That prime property right on Highway 5, I mean is that like twice as much or do we have any clue? Hoffman: I wouldn't know at this time. I didn't look at that. I didn't make a...point of pricing out property. $2.00 to $4.00 per square foot at least. And a little bit higher than that up on Highway 5. Franks: Do you know what the underlying guiding or zoning is for these properties just off the end already? Would they need a zoning of institutional? Hoffman: All of them would accommodate a Y. Frank: All of them would accommodate? Hoffman: That's why they were selected. That's why I included Kate in that process. Manders: My opinion is that that £rrst site that Rod mentioned was my top vote getter for location and tying in with the current park structure and you know visibility to downtown. Lash: That was my thought too. That was my f'n'st choice. Accessibility. We've got a trail system there on Powers. I think it'd be a nice setting too with the woods. It would give it a nice feel or essence. Moes: Well speaking for northeast Chanhassen, it would certainly be in a prime location as far as access is concerned versus getting too much farther down the Highway 5 corridor. This is a, they're looking at the available lots, the closest ones to northeast Chanhassen. I know there is strong interest in a YMCA up in that area. People that I've talked to. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Lash: I guess I went more with accessibility when I did my choices and because of that I wasn't really even thinking price and I wasn't thinking vista so I was looking the ones more along Highway 5, with the one closest to Lake Ann as my second choice but given from Todd's input about the wetlands and the ones down, is that Galpin? No, Audubon? Hoffman: Audubon. Lash: Audubon. You know those would have some pluses too. I just think they'd be more difficult to get to then the one on Powers. Hoffman: Well and you always have views of Lake Susan. Franks: Right, from up on top of the hill. Howe: And you're near fields too. I mean ball fields, soccer fields, archery. All that stuff is there with that one. Hoffman: Yeah, I think this exercise is more about just showing that there are possible sites and less about wlfich site at this time. Lash: So what would be our options as far as trying to somehow acquh'e a piece? Hoffman: Again I think that's discussion is probably premature of where we're at with this process. Lash: But if we want to go forward. I mean if we want to go forward, but in the end I want to spend weeks and weeks talking about doing this only to f'md out that there's no possible funding source. To try to get property. Howe: Well there's not until we raise money, right? Isn't that one of the catches? There had to be fund raising. Wasn't that what we talked about? We have to have an organized effort. Lash: We would? Howe: Well not we but the Y. Lash: Yeah but they want us to pony up the property so. Franks: That's what they would like. Lash: Well yeah. Hoffman: I would not know what the mechanisms for the joint powers would be. Again that's all negotiable as Brian has always stated. If the commission would like to make a recommendation to the City Council and investigate this, I think what needs to be kept in mind is the timing. The City Council is very interested in a community survey and they're not going to do anything until that community survey is completed and so if you're interested in pursuing this, I would recommend that you talk about some, sort out some of the issues. Send a recommendation up to the City Council to include the YMCA in their community survey. I believe they've got a timeline set for the £n'st quarter or f'n'st half of 2001 to get that Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23,2001 done. I don't think this freshinan council is going to move forward on pursuing acquisition of a Y site without some feedback from the community. Berg: I think that would only help us. Lash: Yeah, and that would be a perfect opportunity for us. Berg: Great opportunity. Lash: So good timing. Franks: Well and good to know that if it's not something that the community is really interested in that we waste a lot of time on it. Howe: Right, that's also true. Berg: But you ~know they will be. That's the beauty of it. They will be really in favor of it. Karlovich: Well I think the question would have to be worded to make sure that they understand that a Y Can offer. All the different facilities that would be there possibly. Franks: What types of facilities would, I mean as a commission who's represented ~nd of the interest of people as far as recreation and parks, what kinds of facilities would we be interested in? Berg: Pool. I think we start with a pool Howe: Water park. Pool/water park. Lash: Fitness. Franks: Indoor? Indoor water park? Karlovich: Well the one that I have in mind is just the Lifetime in Plymouth that has, I don't think it has an indoor water park but. Franks: It does. It has the indoor zero entry pool with a water slide. And then some other. Lash: It had a lap pool because that didn't... Franks: Yeah, that was separate. And then it had a dive pool. That was separate. In their aquatic center I think there were 3 separate pools. Karlovich: And then there were ice sheets next to it, weren't there? Franks: Two ice sheets. Lash: And then there was outdoor aquatics. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Franks: And then there was an outdoor pool and water park as well. Zero entry pool. Berg: The ice might be something that this district would be interested in looking at with us too. Franks: And what was nice, what I liked about that Lifetime Fitness in Plymouth is, it overlooks that whole wetland area and so when you're out there in that outdoor pool, I mean you have this really nice view all around. Lash: How about a pool? Would the district be interested in a pool? They don't have a pool at the high school. Berg: They don't generally have them at high schools. There's not going to be one at the 9th grade building either. I don't know that they would like, I can't speak for them but I don't ~know that they would be. I think they're. Lash: You think the middle school is adequate? Berg: I think the middle school is adequate for what they need now. Pools generally are like that. Manders: Is it so important that we discuss necessarily the amenities of this in terms of what should be on that survey? But to consider how much people are willing towards this such as X number of dollars per $100,000 of property taxes or something like that? Karlovich: My question was just kind of the worry about, would you like to have a YMCA in the city and then have not a real good response because people really didn't understand. - Franks: What it would be. Karlovich: What it would be so that was kind of the fear I had with just a survey question. Manders: Yeah I agree. Lash: And possible amenities would include. Could include and we could maybe list, check ones that they'd be the most interested in or prioritize or something. Berg: I tlfink we can scale down the size a little bit because I don't think we need a lot of meeting rooms. The new library's going to take care of that. So that would help in terms of keeping the square footage down a little bit. Because I know they provide a lot of those things too, which we might not need. Hoffman: If Ron were here he would say performing arts. Franks: Well that's a very nice theater that the Chaska Community Center has. Very nice. Berg: Very small. Lash: Well that's certainly somettfing that could go on the list you know. And if there appears to be, if it's one of the, you know I don't know how many numbers down we want to go to find out top priorities for people. I suppose people who have done surveys would know better. I'd say 5. Then you take. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Manders: We've done surveys in the past. Has there been anything in terms of a community center type question on past surveys? Hoffman: The last survey had that question on it. Manders: Do you recall what was involved? Was it a single question, yes or no or did it expand on? Hoffman: I'1t run upstairs and grab it. Lash: You know the other thing, information that I suppose could be provided is, would you be interested in a Y? This would be the kind of amenities that could be included and you know would you yourself be interested in being a member knowing that, what are the dues? $45.00 or something a month. Yes or no? I mean some people might be interested in having a Y there just to be able to go occasionally and swim or just sign up for swim lessons but would have no interest whatsoever being a member. And that'd be helpful for us to 'know. Probably for the Y to know also. And also would they think it would be in theh' best interest as a citizen for it to be a joint effort between the city and the Y. Knowing that there could be some advantages to being a resident. Franks: I think if we had, I like that if there's some way that the council and us as well could get a sense that the citizens would really like the city to partnership with a group like the YMCA, that would really go a long way in creating a working relationship. Because then they'd feel like they really have some mandate to really move forward in that dh'ection. Howe: One of the differences in a Y and a Lifetime is some of the programs that come out of a Y. I don't kmow how, it's going to be hard to survey I ttfink. Maybe we need to just gauge if there's interest before you go into, what would you really what your Y to have and do you realize that there's programs here like daycare and classes and swim lessons and a lot of things that in a survey I thi~k you're going to maybe lose people if you, and I think they're very important questions but I think it's important including hi the whole mix. That Y's can do more than just a Lifetime, okay. And that's what he's alluding to here, Brian. But I ttfink that's important to get that message out too. Karlovich: I think the input that I get from at least my neighbors, is that they're either driving to Northwest on 62 or they're going down to the Chaska Community Center and anything, whether it was Lifetime or the Y or anything, would just be a breath of fresh ah' for them to have somettfing in our community. Berg: The one thing that's going to have to be discussed is what we do with the Rec Center. Well maybe we can again, work out a deal somewhere with something. Someone or something. Some organization. Franks: Because the possibility exists that we run that business right out of town basically by opening up a big facility like that. Jerry, what's your... Ruegemer: I mean that certainly is a possibility. I'm not sure that...as meeting rooms and that sort of thing but you know our bread and butter is fitness out there. Where we make a majority of the revenue. ~4md the gym of course but we don't really make money on the gym but it' s certainly a community asset. Aa~d I mean I ttfink that thought was always there in case sornething should happen, you know the school district would certainly be interested in talking. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 Franks: You don't think they could use the space? Ruegemer: Oh I'm sure they can use the space. Franks: I'm being funny. Karlovich: I thought that one dance studio wanted more room too. Franks: Well the dance department or the dance program, they want like a lot more room. Yeah. Ruegemer: But I mean that certainly is a possibility. I mean that certainly has to be discussed. You know we could be cutting our own tN'oats certainly but. Berg: I think that'd be one of the things the council's going to come back with right away. What about the Rec Center? Franks: Well the other thing though is we operate that at a loss every year. Lash: I can't imagine it'd be difficult to rent out the space, and at the very least to, I don't know who but daycare facility. You know maybe the school. Does Bluff Creek, your kids don't go there? Do they have school age child care program there? Before and after? Howe; I don't know. Franks: My guess is the school district would snap that building up. Howe: I would think they're desperate for space in those grades, that they'd be interested. Karlovich: It seems as a commission it seems like we should look at the big picture and I think that space there would get used up pretty quickly and we should look at what's best for the community as a whole, not bypass this opportunity. Lash: I don't think anybody was suggesting that. I just think we need to cover the bases because we need to pre-plan for that question because that question is going to come. So we just need to deal and prepare for it. Do you have any thoughts Todd? Hoffman: The recreation center? Lash: Yes. Franks: Our concern is that, you know if we go forward and push for another fitness center to come into town at that kind of scale, that we push the recreation center right out of business. Hoffman: Out of business, what does that mean? Franks: Well since most of the revenue from the recreation center comes from the fitness operations. And people will look at how they can spend their dollar and get, I'm assuming from a YMCA would, at least Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23,2001 what I envision would staff, or have equipment, much bigger equipment area and more fitness availability and that kind of thing. That people would go spend their money than spending it at the rec center. Hoffman: There's always been that discussion. The recreation center operations may change. They may evolve into something else. They may lease the building back to the school district. You sell the building back to the school district. Really the recreation center is a meeting room center and an extra gym and a couple of small rooms. So we take the 35 pieces of equipment out of the fitness room and close it down and make it dance or aerobics or turn it into a dance studio. Many things could happen there. The one thing, when you think about the building itself, we also need to remember we have a 20 acre park on that site. And so if we walk away from the building you're still left with a 20 acre park that I don't think the school district is going to want to take over. With the warming house and a double set of hockey boards and those type of things. That's not to say we can operate that independently. You do that here up at Chan Elementary so. I think all questions that need to be answered and thought about, to be a responsible proposal. Once you say, tell the community you're going to build a YMCA, you're also going to have to tell them, because they're all going to be thinking, well what are you going to do with the Rec Center so it's going to have to be discussed and thought up. The question in, 52 golf course. These stand for strongly support, somewhat support and then you go into the opposed column. So we get the full blown recreation center. That's 55. And so you have 51 on the side of the strongly or somewhat support. 42 on the other side. Lash: For ice, that's way over 50%. 75%. Berg: When was this done? Hoffman: This was '97. January of '97. Franks: What are the numbers down at the? Hoffman: These numbers are support on this side and oppose here and then this is don't h~ow or don't care. Franks: But it looks like, so it's 29 and 27 support the construction of a full service community center? Hoffman: Oh you're right. We're down there further. Franks: Yeah, so it's higher than 56. Lash: That's what I was loo'king at for the ice. That's what I thought was the ice. Karlovich: Now you say the middle one doesn't support it? I just remember back to surveys and statistics and the central tendency of people to pick in the middle. Berg: It seems to me, remembering again from statistics when we did the referendum, that that negative is pretty high. Those are the ones who are definitely going to vote, I want to say that we were loo -!ring for a 2/3 support before we went to the referendum. Was that right? Hoffrnan: I recall it was 2/3 but throughout the enth'e, this is the executive summary. It states that Mr. Morrish did not recommend as you recall, that we move forward with the referendum because of the Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23, 2001 negative tax.., and the task force and commission I recall struggled with that and they eventually moved forward. These numbers were more favorable than the remainder of the, as I recall. Some of these numbers.., were a bit more favorable. The community center's the highest one here, is it not? Moes: Yes. Berg: Yeah, just to play devil's advocate. The larger number on the disagree still bothers me though because those at 56% is all for it until they figure out they have to pay for it. The no's are not going to be no's no matter what it is. Lash: The flip side of that is, this is a community center versus a YMCA so it wouldn't be all community funded. So this is a little different scenario to the taxpayer. Berg: Right. Absolutely...offer more than a community center in terms of programming. Franks: Without having to worry about rulming it in the red year after year. Berg: Yeah. Hoffman: The City Manager is currently interviewing Bill Morris who did this survey and some other firms to get an idea of what a community survey is going to involve in the city so these numbers will get freshened up. Berg: So at this point do you want us to recommend that we have an item on the survey regarding the, asking the community's interest on. Hoffman: How would you express your interest in a YMCA project to council and recommend that they include that as questions regarding that in the survey. Lash: Okay. Does anybody have any additional thoughts that you want to add? Howe: Can we have some input on those questions? We need to have that I think. Lash: Well as an example in this particular one, and I guess I'd be confused why someone would separate indoor swimming pool from a community center. I mean wouldn't that be a given that they'd be together? Or even the ice. Berg: It might be like a Richfield pool... Lash: I think we'd be crazy to invest in an indoor pool without anything else. Berg: That doesn't say indoor. Oh, it does say indoor. Maybe they were just looking for a cheap. Lash: Besides if you go the whole...the whole thing. Have a pool. Have programming and have all the stuff listed there as one and not have them separated out. Park and Rec Commission Meeting - January 23,2001 Hoffman: I would think so. I don't know for sure. Berg: Well I would move that we first recommend, first let the City Council or tell the City Council that we are interested in pursuing looking at a YMCA in the city of Chanhassen. And secondly that we have questions on the community survey that is going out concerning, testing community interest on said YMCA. Lash: Okay, is there a second? Was that a motion? Berg: Yes. Howe: I'd second that. Berg moved, Howe seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends to the City Council that they pursue locating a YMCA in the City of Chanhassen and recommends that questions be placed on the upcoming community survey to test the community's interest in a YMCA. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously.