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7. Presentation of Park & Recreation commission Finding; Parkland Acquisition and Development, Trail Construction and Open Space Preservaton and Establishment of a Task Forcei �� CITY O F . -7 CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director DATE: May 3, 1995 SUBJ: Potential Park, Open Space and Trail Acquisition and Development Referendum Items On April 10, 1995, the city council reviewed a recommendation from the Park & Recreation Commission to establish a task force to forward a proposed parkland acquisition and development referendum. The ensuing discussion resulted in a request from the council for the following items and information: 1. A list of the proposed referen 2. A map depicting the areas in` 3. A prioritized ranking of the p 4. An opinion on the limitations portion of these items passed. Items 1, 2 and 3 have been complete bonding issue in a "manager's comm The following narrative is offered in attachments: [um projects. Aved in these prop oposed projects. in bonding capabili for the council. I 1. A list of proposed referendum projects. the city might face if all or a you to address the '2 and 3 and their respective The proposed projects are arranged in °four categories: Park Development Bandimere Community Park: The concept plan calls for an athletic facility focusing primarily on youth ballfields. - Estimated Cost: $1,177,000 (see attachment) Mr. Don Ashworth May 3, 1995 Page 2 Land Acquisition A. Preserve Wooded Lands: Parcel 1 A: Fox Property (easterly portion) Size: Less than 40 acres Characteristics: Mature woodlands Value: Mr. Fox petitioned for a right -of -way acquisition loan fund (RALF) "buy out" for his Highway 212 land. The property designated as right -of -way lies to the west of the subject woodlands. The RALF acquisition failed due to a large discrepancy in perceived value. MnDOT certified a per acre price of $8,000. Mr. Fox's lowest offer was $28,000. Parcel 113: Chaska Investment Company/Wallingford Properties Size: 87.42 acres Characteristics: Primarily agricultural. The northern parcel contains steep slopes, tree cover, wetlands and a small pond. Value: A representative of Chaska Investment Company/Wallingford properties stated that a similar parcel within the City of Chaska recently sold for $25,000- $28,000 per acre. The Chaska parcel was within the MUSA Line. The 87.42 acres in Chanhassen is outside the MUSA Line; the rate of which this designation devalues property varies. B. Preserve the Bluff Creek Waterway: Parcel 2A: A linear strip of land paralleling Bluff Creek from Lyman Boulevard to Pioneer Trail. Landowners include: Dean Degler, Gayle Degler, Chaska Investment Corporation/Wallingford properties, Sever Peterson, Bruce Jeurissen and Gilbert Laurent. Size: Variable Characteristics: The Bluff Creek Waterway Value: Varies C. Acquire a 50 -100 acre property which will accommodate a future community park. ' Parcel 3A: Teich Property (Sale of this property is pending.) Size: 97 acres , Characteristics: 100% flood plain: Approximately 50% wetland /50% tillable. Value: $5,000 per acre Mr. Don Ashworth May 3, 1995 Page 3 Parcel 313: Halla Property (southeast corner of Pioneer Trail and Hwy. 101) Size: Approximately 50 acres Characteristics: Nursery growing field Value: Variable Parcel 3C: Peterson Property Size: Approximately 80 acres Characteristics: Rolling agricultural, contains portions of Highway 212 right -of -way and Bluff Creek Corridor. North slope drops 90 feet to Bluff Creek. Value: Variable Parcel 3D: Chaska Investment Company/Wallingford Properties Size: 87.42 acres Characteristics: Southern 80 acres is rolling agricultural. Borders the Peterson farm. Value: See parcel description 113 D. Special interest: Parcel 4A: Bluff Creek Golf Course Size: 228.38 acres Characteristics: 18 hole golf course. Home to a large section of the Bluff Creek Valley. The "banks" of Bluff Creek are very steep and heavily wooded in this area. Value: Variable Parcel 413: Assumption Seminary Site Size: 20 -100+ acres Characteristics: Comprised of a variety of parcels. The seminary building and its underlying 20 acres is actively being marketed. Value: Variable Trail segments to be considered: Highway 101 North: Segment: South Shore Drive to Pleasant View Lane Length: 1.7 miles Estimated Cost: $500,000+ (based on a 1993 feasibility study) Powers Boulevard: Segment: Saddlebrook Trail to the City of Shorewood Length: 1.4 miles Estimated Cost: $300,000 Mr. Don Ashworth May 3, 1995 Page 4 Galpin Boulevard North: Segment: Highway 5 to City of Shorewood Length: 2 miles Estimated Cost: $500,000 Highway 41: Segment: City of Chaska to City of Shorewood Length: 2.5 miles Estimated Cost: $700,000 2. A map depicting the areas involved in these proposed projects is attached. 3. A prioritized ranking of the proposed projects. The commission identified the following projects as priorities: Bandimere Community Park Development Parcel IA: Fox Property Parcel IB and 3D Combined: Chaska Investment Company /Wallingford Properties Parcel 2A: Bluff Creek Land Parcel 4A: Bluff Creek Golf Course: This proposed acquisition would be above and beyond the $4 -6 million targeted for other projects. Trail Segments: - Highway 101 North - Powers Boulevard - Galpin Boulevard North - Highway 41 - A fifth segment, the Bluff Creek trail from Highway 5 to Lyman Boulevard, was also included. Estimated cost: $500,000. Aerial photos of these priority areas are also attached. The estimated costs, in most instances, are "ball park" figures. Actual acquisition or construction costs would vary RECOMMENDATION It is recommended that the city council affirm the findings and recommendations of the Park and Recreation Commission. In doing so, the next appropriate step would be to appoint a task force to work exclusively on this effort. c: Park & Recreation Commission All Landowners Referenced Kate Aanenson, Planning Director ' Mr. Don Ashworth May 3, 1995 Page 5 ' Attachments: Bandimere Community Park Development Cost Estimate. Map of Potential Referendum Projects. ' Aerial Photos. Landowner List and Notification Letter. Recommendation from Park & Recreation Commission dated April 4, 1995 ' Minutes of April 10, 1995 City Council Meeting 0 r 1 CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Don Ashworth, City Manager M 14, DATE: May 4, 1995 SUBJ: Bonding Limitations To ensure that the city maintains bank qualificatia be sold in any one year. In March of this year, $ increment bonds were sold. Projects that we have (Galpin/frontage road, Lake Riley and Lake Lucy) sale in the fall of 1995 of $4.6 million, with the rE of 1996. The above numbers do not include Cour approximately $3 5 million no more than $10 million in bonds may million in general obligation and tax ready made a commitment to complete tal $6.1 million. I would anticipate a wining $1.5 million proposed for spring Road 17 at an estimated cost of Assuming that voters would approve a referendum, approximately $5 million of bonding capacity would be available in early 1996. However, this would mean that no other public projects could be considered before 1997. ` MEMORANDUM Hoisington Koegler Group Inc. M13 on April 19, 1995 ' Mr. Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive, P.O. Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 I Dear Todd: Enclosed is a revised cost estimate $1,177,000 for Bandimere Community Park. As you know, ' the park master plan was revised in February 1995 and the enclosed cost estimate reflects those changes. Some of the primary differences between this cost estimate and the one dated April 16, 1992 in the amount of $776,000 include the anticipated reduction of grading necessary on the site, ' the addition of a play area and tennis courts as part of the master plan, the addition of irrigation and more extensive trail development on the site. Other increases in costs reflect inflation 1 adjustment. If you have any questions regarding this matter, please give me a call. ' Sincerely, i G��1y11�.� � • � - Bruce L. Chamberlain, RLA Park Planner Enc. I MACHANHAS\95- 7TBANDCOST.LTR ' Land Use /Environmental ■ Planning/Design 7300 Metro Boulevard /Suite 525 ■ Minneapolis, Minnesota 55439 ' (612) 835 -9960 ■ Fax: (612) 835 -3160 19 -A r -95 Bandirnere Park Cost Estimate - City Chanhassen i ....................................... ........ . . .. ....... . ... ....... Preliminary Cost Estimate - Concept Plan dated 2/11/95 ------------------- ------- ........ - ------ ---- --------- ----- --- - - - --------------------- - Description f i Oty. ..... ........ . - ----------- Unit I Unit Cos s u�6i . ot a lr .___ . ..... ........... .... . ...... - ----- Site Preparation Common Excavation 120,000 CY j $1.50 !?��??.00� $180,000.00 ?,?� Erosion Control — ---------- 1 LS $10,000.00 ------ 1 _ $10,000.00 1 Site Prep. Sub-total - ----- . . . .. ... . ........ . . ........ $190,000.00 Bituminous Parking Lot - 1 6i.,50 SF $1.60 $172,800.00 . ............ .. 8' Bituminous Trail I i 35,000 SF j $1.30 $45,500.00 Paving Sub-total $218,300.00 Site Improvements Concession/Storacle Bu 1 . . ........ MN. -I — ------- LS $55,00 0.00 Utilities 1 LS '$125,000.00 $125,000.00 Tennis Courts (4 courts) I 1 LS 1 $85,000.00 $85,000.00 1 League Fields 2 Little — ------- ------- ------- each $18,000.00 $36,000.00 1 Youth Softball Fields 1 2i each $12,00( .00 I .. . .... ........ $24,000.00 1 Babe Ruth Field 11 each i $28,0 00.00 1 $28,000.00 Soccer Fields . . ..... - -------- ------ ---------- 2 each $2,500.00 $5,000.00 .... PlaArea ......... I - - - ----------- ---------- -------- ------------------ LS $45,000.00 - ------ -- ------- - ------ ............ . . .... ....... . $45,000.00 Topsoil and Soil Ammendmen s I 1 1 LS i $45,000.00 i i $45,000.00 Irri 1 ----- - -------- - - ---- LS $60,000.00 $60,000.00 1 Seeding & Sodding 36 acre $2,000.00 .......... $72,000.00 1 Landscaping 1 LS I $35,000.00 i $35-000-.00 1 1 Site Improvement Sub-total - ----- - ------- -------------------- - $615,000.00 Sub total $1,023,300.00 Contingency- 15% - --------- ----------- - ------------- - ... ....... ............ . .. . . $153,495.00 ........ . . .. . ....... ...... ..... . ...... ..... . ....... . .. ITotal i — — — — — — — --- $1,176,795.00 CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 ' May 3, 1995 S(u � 46 Y 4 1 e + C-k_1d Mr. Frank Fox ' 1600 Dolphin Court Naples, FL 33962 ' Dear Mr. Fox: The Chanhassen Park & Recreation Commission has been working on a proposed park, trail and open space acquisition and development referendum. You may have read articles relating to this topic in the Chanhassen Villager. I have spoken briefly with many landowners in this regard. Realtors representing properties have also contacted me. ' Please be aware that the city's interest in your property is sincere, but not threatening. I will not advocate any project that is not supported by the landowner. The proposed referendum ' has not received approval from the city council; however, the potential of a future referendum does exist. A part of the preliminary investigation is the identification of "potential" projects or acquisitions. You are being notified because your property has been identified as a "potential" project. Please read the attached report to the city council. You will notice that the majority of ' potential acquisition sites have not received a priority ranking. If a referendum were to be 'presented to the public, it may occur sometime within the calendar year commenciri y � ' ' this P tember throu g Se h `'November. Potential dollar amounts ".range from as little as $2 million to" more than $10 million. On Monday night, May 8, the city council is process. That recommended next step is the citizens, elected and appointed officials, wou isked to move one step further in this ment of a task force. This group of focus their attention on this proposal. Please feel free to attend the council meeting on Monday night. If you have questions of me that you would like answered prior to Monday, please leave a message on my voice mail at 937 -1900 ext. 121. I will be in Kansas City until Monday evening, but will call in to pick up my messages. May 3, 1995 1 Page 2 1 In the future, you are always welcome to call me at home if it is more convenient for your schedule. You can reach me there at 443 -2846. 1 Sincerely, 1 Todd Hoffman 1 Park & Recreation Director TH: k 1 c: Mayor and City Council ' Don Ashworth, City Manager Kate Aanenson, Planning Director Attachments: Photo copy of acquisition map 1 1 i 1 1 1 1 1 Mr. Frank Fox Mr. Frank Fox Chaska Investment Company 1600 Dolphin Court 27990 Smithtown Road Wallingford Properties 'Naples, FL 33962 Excelsior, MN 55331 Suite 315, 7401 Metro Boulevard Edina, MN 55345 , Mr. Sever Peterson Mr. Bruce Jeurissen Mr. Gilbert Laurent 1 15900 Flying Cloud Drive 1500 Pioneer Trail 1370 Pioneer Trail Eden Prairie, MN 55344 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Chanhassen, MN 55317 ' Mr. Dean Degler Mr. Gayle Degler Mr. Chester Teich 9111 Audubon Road 1630 Lyman Boulevard 825 Flying Cloud Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 Chnahassen, MN 55317 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Mr. Don Halla Mr. Arthur Johnson Mr. Norman Berglund ' Halla Nursery 3323 Bavaria Road Box 476 10000 Great Plains Blvd. Chaska, MN 55318 Excelsior, MN 55331 'Chaska, MN 55318 Arnold Finberg Company ' Chanhassen Springs, Inc. 4725 Excelsior Boulevard Minneapolis, MN 55416 1: CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director DATE: April 4, 1995 SUBJ: Recommendation from Park and Recreation Commission to Establish a Task Force, Proposed Parkland Acquisition and Development Referendum On Tuesday, March 28, 1995 the Park and Recreation Commission unanimously approved the following motion: Commissioner Andrews moved, seconded by Council establish a task force to forward a pi referendum. A recommendation for the composition of the task Eleven members to include: Mayor or council Park and Recreati Planning Comrru Chamber of Com Area 1 At - Large Area 2 At - Large Area 3 At - Large mmission members (2) member Staff's suggestion for a time line for this Roeser to recommend the City 3 acquisition and development was a part of this motion. May 8, 1995 appointment of Task MEMORANDUM Don Ashworth April 4, 1995 Page 2 Task Force Meetings May 11 May 25 June 8 June 22 June 27 July 10 July 13 July 27 August 10 August 22 September 4 September 26 Joint meeting of Task Force and Park and Recreation Commission City Council preliminary review of Task Force findings Park and Recreation Commission final review of Task Force Recommendation City Council final review of Task Force Recommendation - certification of ballot Voting Day RECOMMENDATION It is recommended that the City Council affirm the recommendations of the Park and Recreation Commission and move forward in this process. P. S. Staff believes that the Mayor and City Council is intimately aware of the rate at which land is being consumed within the City of Chanhassen. Staff will be prepared at council's direction to make a short presentation documenting this process. Members of the Park and Recreation Commission will also be available to address this proposal. c: Park and Recreation Commission Steve Peterson, President of Chanhassen Chamber of Commerce Kate Aanenson, Planning Director Diane Desotelle, Water Resources Coordinator City Council Meeting - April 10, 1995 ' Todd Gerhardt: We're also fighting the expansion to the hotel. They cannot m the ex to helps district cost to and they're a substantial part of the increment bull to help this p ] that proj There's not a lot of...re -using the buildings. haY d oY mat proximately $120,000 00 add tional inc expansion would be a part of this district which does create p ' That increment. Ashworth: Could we do this Todd? Could we request = City Council meeting, by the 24th, present what it that the Council officially set the date. Set the May Don 20, whatever we put in there but then by the time of the n sing to present at the public hearing. was. What it is that we're propo ' Todd Gerhardt: Sure. ouncil wants it modified on the April 24th, we'd still have time to do that before Don Ashworth: I mean if the C the May 20th date. ardt: I'm hoping to have all of the, Ron and Sid are hoping the to ates of all the public improvements Todd Gerh good numbers week. There's just no way we could have e done and trying 8 and then private improvements also, and the of this s week we could even have the numbers. together. So I would think that bers, g ' by the en Don Ashworth: I think our next regular is the 24th. Councilman Senn: Okay, that works. Mayor Chmiel: Okay. So with that we'll do. Colleen, did you want to say something? ' Councilwoman Dockendorf: I'll move approval of the attached resolution. Councilman Mason: I'll second it. ' ed with a second to approve the attached resolution. D Mayor Chmiel: Okay. It's been motion ti on #95 -44: Councilwoman Dockendorf moved, Councilman Mason seconded to approve the Resolution Resoluho ling for a public hearing on the creation of Tax Increment District #4. All voted in favor and the motion cal g carried unanimously. ,.� , . yr rcu A TASK F ORCE y ou Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. As you are aware, the Park and Recreation Todd Hoffman: Thank y sly Commission has been investigating the pos on unanimou sibility of n n Commissi pa the Park and Recreation and recreation open space and trail refere eser n to Commissioner Ro Tuesday, March 28th, at their regular scheduled meeting, y C and development approved the following motion. Mad a Task force s a proposed parkland aaq uisby that motion, and that being recommend the City Council estab art of referendum. A recommendation for the composition of that task force was a p eleven e Park and R members to include the Mayor or City Council mef Commerce r pre tive. I have poken h Commission, a Planning Commission member, Chamb o 29 City Council Meeting - April 10, 1995 Steven Peterson, the President of the Chan Chamber and he indicated... Then six at large members of the community being separated geographically. Two to the west, two to the central portion of the city, and two in the southern portion of the city. Staffs suggestion for a time line for this effort has been forwarded to the City Council. That's starting on May 8th that the City Council would make the appointments of the Task Force members. Task Force meetings would be held on May 11th, 25th and June 8th. June 22nd, the Task Force would hold it's first public information/input meeting. Following on June 27th, the Task Force would meet with the Park and Recreation Commission to make sure that they are on track with what the commission has intended for this venture. July 10th. Those findings would be reviewed with the City Council and then moving on to . two general Task Force meetings on July 13th and 27th. Concluding with an additional public information/input meeting on August 10th. Park and Recreation Commission and a final review of the Task Force's recommendations on August 22nd. Then the final review by the City Council on September 4th. Certification of the ballot and the other necessary housekeeping items, and then a proposal on for a voting day of somewhere in the neighborhood of September 26th. With this it is recommending that the City Council affirm the recommendations of the Park and Recreation Commission and move forward in this process. If you would like, I can go over the events which have led to this point in this recommendation being made to the City Council. Mayor Chmiel: Okay. Thank you. Anybody have any questions of Todd? Councilman Senn: Yeah, I guess I'd like you to do that because I'm confused at this point. You know we had that work session and we came in here and crawled all over the maps and we talked about that at length and I thought we all decided that the Park Commission was going to in effect do this and identify those alternatives and come back and then we were going to look at the issue of potentially, if there's a need at that point, or not at that point, to put together some sort of proof which would go then to help sell the referendum, or whatever. How you want to view that. But why, I mean now that seems to have all changed because now we're back here suggesting a task force which is what was being suggested that night, and we abandoned that idea but nothing's happened and we're right back to the same idea here several months later. Todd Hoffman: The Park and Recreation Commission is of the opinion that they pursued the alternatives which they've been studying for the past, oh 18 months. Acquisition of land in southern Chanhassen. Development of Bandimere. Expansion to the trail systems and they can continue to mull over and take a look at these issues, but they really feel that it's important to bring this thing to a conclusion. Appoint a task force. Take a precise look at the process of identifying parcels of property. There's really very few left within the city of Chanhassen that are eligible for purchase on a large acreage basis. So instead of continuing the process, which they feel they have concluded at the Park and Recreation Commission level, they would like to go ahead and ask that the City Council move this forward. The task force... members who can look at this issue specifically. The Park and Recreation Commission held a site visit after the last meeting, or prior to that meeting for about 2 hours of looking over all of the areas within Chanhassen that they are considering recommending the task force take a look at... Councilman Senn: So you're saying they have identified the parcels? Todd Hoffman: Correct. And those parcels have been on the docket, if you will, for some time. They're looking for the piece of wooded property in southern Chanhassen. An additional piece of property ... ballfield development because there's a feeling that Lake Ann. 30 1 City Council Meeting - Ap ril 10, 1995 1 Todd. When we were crawling around the maps, that was all Councilman Senn: No, no. I understand that identified. I thought the next step was the w hat were g oing g oocometify s ome o uspecific pieces of land or us o 1 look at to fill those needs, and then that's h g Mayor Chmiel: That's what you're talking about right now, right? 1 mont later, no further than we were back then. Councilman Senn: Well, I'm concerned. I mean this was many months ago and we were very concerned about the rate which the land is disappearing and here we are y I was really hoping to see tonight a specific list of parcels to the next o st P would like to see us pursue and why an 1 give us some recommendation so we can decide g o through an interim Mayor Chmiel: Well let me, maybe I can just inne a ki a little o do when they g here, Ighink n at 1 y Todd is trying to do is do what the Council's been g be I'm wrong with that study by involving the total numbers of people that he's basically involving. May assumption but is that what you were really looking at? to 1 Todd Hoffman: The Park and Recreation Commission feels e Werhavle checked into the pri e of e of the forefront. They have mulled over these pieces of property ro property. Do you want to go 100% public and involve the specific identi P fication, there's very few pieces o 1 P w n left to prms ih fl t P operty put ballfields on. those evening. ooded property in Chanhasse There's only one or two They're an abundant resources. The same locations left. The Bluff Creek corridor is th things, hrdevelopment which of Bandmere, wh ch about $900,000-00 to 1 portion of that property. Other than those 3 segm $1 million project ... and then the funding of some each one those. Those would t be they n ents throughout items that he Park idea which those are but they've...feasibility of 1 Commission would be asking the task force to look at. is. My concern is if we put together this big task force now and go concern is this. Councilman Senn: Don, my people from going to build 8 8 out and get this many people involved, including p the different parts of the city, we're P 1 position. I think the Park and Recreation Commission, but a constituency to come back with a rec ommendation to us on all this stuff to be done. Fiscally we may s able to afford it. I think that puts us in a hell of p is what I said that night. The Park and Recrea it frrommaspolicy fiscal standpoint in terms of setting some 1 o back to the next step which implementation. Going together the costs. This Council ought to loot. et ourselves in parameters and what we should do or not do, and then is g to a referendum and then developing constituency so Because that. thinkhwe're going to have g some pretty darn 1 some real problems doing this, excuse u set people by the time these recommendations come into us and somebody turns around and says we cant P p afford all this. issue of whether Councilman Mason: But if this is a referendum, it's pink we can fford�it or not. `v I mean afford think I know It's an issue 1 of whether all of the citizens of Chanhassen 1 what. e bonding limits Mike. We cannot just simple bond to infintismal levels because it's Councilman Senn: We hav going to be paid back on a referendum. 1 Councilman Mason: Well I understand that. 31 City Council Meeting - April 10, 1995 Councilman Senn: I mean we have limitations we have to live within too. Councilwoman Dockendorf. And not only that but we make the decision as to whether it goes to referendum. Councilman Senn: Or not, yeah. Councilwoman Dockendorf: I think clearly something we need to get moving on it and the decision was made that evening that we had wanted Park and Rec to take it and we could look at it and determine the feasibility of it. I'm not so concerned with a constituency being developed and us disappointing them. We can handle that by saying, this is a study task force you know. These are our limitations. We make no guarantees that we're even going to go to referendum. But if this is the way Park and Rec feels that, I mean is it work load that the entire Park and Rec doesn't want to, you know. We made a very clear decision that evening that Park and Rec needed to look at this issue and bring it back to Council. I agree with Mark that we're going against what we decided that night. Councilman Senn: ...I'd like to see the results. Todd Hoffman: Sure. I can bring the ... bring that list. The problems we have to look out for is that the example the City of Eden Prairie, their open space referendum. Prior to the referendum they had identified parcels. Identified costs for those parcels. They did not secure purchase agreements on any of them. Since that time they have had a very difficult time acquiring those pieces of property because once the referendum passed, the prices simply. Mayor Chmiel: Escalated. Councilman Senn: That's why I like this, the approach we set up in the first place. I think avoids that. I think this one causes that problem. Mayor Chmiel: And it could conceivably. Where we could come back with it and finding out what the total dollars are. Stand back and say. Todd Hoffman: The total dollars, as has been previously identified, is $4 to $6 million. That list can be put together and brought to the attention of the City Council for your consideration ... Park and Recreation Commission and the recommendation to go ahead and form this task force. The fast force is at that second tier of organization which takes the short time frame, precise, direct look at these issues. They are also the work force that... educates the community about it. It goes out and makes the speaking engagements and makes... If you're not comfortable moving to that level, I absolutely understand and I can have that list here for you and list out $4 to $6 million, which they had targeted for identification. You can look at it in a variety of ways. When Lakeville went through this process, their task force identified $87 million in improvements. The City Manager wanted to $2 1/2 and the City Council wanted to authorize 4. So it's always... The Park Commission started, as I say, a few months ago with a lot more improvements on their list... talking about neighborhood park improvements and doing this and creating shelters and putting up ballfield lights and they focused in on as land is the most precious thing that the city of Chanhassen has. Let's do an open space referendum. Take a look at Bandimere, which we have not been able to finance in the past 5 years because it's a $800,000.00 to $1 million ticket. Put that on there for the voters to consider because they do take a lot of heat over the lack of athletic spa ces...in Chanhassen. They'd like to let the voters vote on it. And then trails are the other issue which we maintain 9 to 11 miles of trails this past ... and the community, a portion of the community at least ... trail system 32 ' City Council Meeting - April 10, 1995 communities of our size and geographic configuration trails failed is 7 want l l ' compared with other metropolitan ears since the last two referendums take a look at forwarding that. it's been 5 to 7 y vo ... very close at that time so they'd like to put that back to the voters. us where they are and bring us the Councilman Senn: Can y ou bring us the list and bring us a map showing o on each one. That that $6 improvements associated with each see Don come in at the same time and tell us how this fits in i etc relationship one so we know what's being recommen e o g we million price tag, I mean I'd life talking to our bonding picture. If this and other priorities we've been about all have to a ppen can look at the overall picture. Councilwoman Dockendorf: And a prioritized list. Councilman Senn: Yeah. Yeah. From both that and a bonding perspective. ' think we do have to have that. There's no question. So with that, as I see with Council Mayor Chmiel: And I discussion and I'm not sure Mike, your feeling. Steve? st: M opinion is that we've got to do e verything we can to acquire land. The sooner that Councilman Berqui Y happens, the better off we'll be. ' Mayor Chmiel: But we have to know exactly where we're at as well before we can say let's proceed. Councilman Berquist: Yeah. We can Mayor Chmiel: So with that, if you'll gather that data and bring that back to Council next meeting. then discuss it at that time. ' Councilman Senn: Do you want a motion to table this until then? Mayor Chmiel: I would like to see us, yeah get a motion for it. Oka Councilman Senn: Y, move to table. ' Mayor Chmiel: Is there a second? Councilwoman Dockendorf: Sure. tion on the ' Councilman Senn moved, Councilwoman Dockendorf seconded to table d the motion camel unanimou d acquisition and development referendum task force' All voted in favor an ' COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS: he Dockendorf: Let me preface it by saying, Dean ive Director of Sou hw st Met o aDiane t Harberts. Councilwoman You to call the Execu lease. Don't count on ' scuttlebutt on this. I would encourage y et the de that serves Chaska, Chanhassen Oka}'. The something afoot and I'll explain what it is but g tails from her p mine. Just for background information. Southwest Metro is the bus company ' and Eden Prairie and background run what is consunities have decided to idered an opt out agency where these comm 33