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PC DATE: Feb. 16, 1994
CC DATE: Mar. 14, 1994
CASE #: 92 -5 SPR
' By: Aanenson:v
STAFF REPORT
PROPOSAL:
LOCATION:
APPLICANT:
Site Plan Review for Jehovah's Witness Congregation Building
8300 Audubon Road Chanhassen Business Center
Stephen G. Kern
6540 Devonshire Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55345
Chanhassen Congregation of
Jehovah's Witness
13001 Lake Street Extension
Minnetonka, MN
PRESENT ZONING: PUD/IOP AWN by Clot lWrnMWM
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ACREAGE: 2 acres Mo,";5 a
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DENSITY: n/a
Date Ss. ;;hied to Commis"
ADJACENT ZONING AND Now
LAND USE: N - IOP, Industrial Office Park, vacant Date Submkted to CoWd
S - PUD/IOP vacant -3 -1,4 -G`f —
E - IOP, Industrial Office Park, vacant
W - PUD/IOP and A2 Agricultural Estate, vacant
WATER AND SEWER: Available to the site.
PHYSICAL CHARACTER.: The site has been recently graded as a part of Phase I of
Chanhassen Business Center. The site is relatively flat the
slopes towards the railroad "tracks.
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PROPOSAL /SUMMARY
Stephen Kern, representing the Chanhassen Congregation of Jehovah's Witness, is requesting site
plan approval to build a Kingdom Hall. The proposed building is located on Lot 1, Block 1 of
the Chanhassen Business Center (CBC). The CBC PUD was given final approval by the City
Council on February 8, 1993. At the time of final plat approval, the Council amended the PUD
agreement for one church use in the business center.
Lot 1, Block 1 of the CBC was always considered for an office use because it has direct access
onto Audubon Road. The lot is triangular in shape and is bordered on the north by the railroad,
a single family subdivision to the east and the industrial park on the remaining sides. A church
use not only generates less traffic use than an office use; peak traffic for the church use will be
during non peak hours normally associated with the industrial/office park.
The church is one story, all brick with a pitched roof and will have a residential look. The
applicants have stated that world wide Kingdom Halls do not provide day care nor engage in
commercial activity.
The proposed plan is developed consistent with the PUD for the Chanhassen Business Center and
the staff is recommending approval with conditions.
General Site Plan /Architecture
The proposed Kingdom Hall will be built with the main entrance facing the southeast. Parking
will be located in the front of the building (southeast) and to the southwest of the building. The
main access is via a singular driveway off of Audubon Road. A canopy is proposed over the
southwesterly side of the building. There will be a driveway under the canopy to allow for pick
up and drop off.
The church as proposed will be one story in height, 19 feet to the highest point of the roof. The
building is 4,095 square feet in area and includes a lecture area and class room spaces. The
maximum seating is 208. The building facade is a 4 inch face brick. The roof is pitched and
will have asphalt shingles. There will be no roof top equipment.
The required parking based on the seating capacity and classroom space 4-72. Seventy -three
spaces have been provided including 2 handicapped stalls. Refuse colleationj is not shown, if
there is to be outdoor storage of waste, it must be screened with compatible building material.
Site Circulation
The site is proposed to be accessed from Audubon Road which is classified as a collector street
on the City's Comprehensive Plan. Audubon Road has been constructed to urban standards. As
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February 16, 1994
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a part of the Chanhassen Business Center (CBC) approval process, one of the conditions of
approval was for this lot to align its driveway access across from the Stockdale property
(Edgework Builders) entrance directly to the east of the site. Upon further review and
consideration, staff believes this condition is no longer valid. We strongly believe that the
existing driveway access to the Stockdale parcel will change. if not totally be eliminated with ,
development of their parcel. Access to their site could be taken from future West Lake Drive.
In combination with this, we believe the permitted use of this parcel (Lot 1, Block 1, Chanhassen
Business Center) would generate fairly low traffic volumes at off -peak times. In addition, the '
site lines along Audubon Road are not of concern. Therefore, staff feels comfortable with the
proposed driveway location.
The proposed driveway curb cut on Audubon Road should incorporate the use of a concrete
driveway apron to maintain drainage along Audubon Road. The city does have a standard detail
plate (No. 5207) which should be incorporated into the overall site plans. ,
The parking lots and driveways are proposed to have 6 -inch high cast in place concrete curb and
gutter. At the northwesterly end of the parking lot adjacent to the railroad tracks, the curbs
should be deleted to provide a curb opening to maintain sheet drainage from the parking lots into
the drainage swale adjacent the railroad tracks.
Grading & Drainaize ,
This lot is included with the overall development plan for the CBC site. The lot was rough '
graded in accordance to the approved grading plan for CBC. Therefore, the site will involve
relatively minor grading for the building pad, parking lot and driveway areas. The site plan
should provide the pre- and post -site contours across the lot. Staff recommends that the parking '
lot be designed so it drains into three directions with the high point located at the intersection
of the driveway and easterly and southerly parking lots. This will evenly distribute runoff into
three areas where it can easily be handled. A majority of the site, approximately 70 %, will drain
northwesterly towards the railroad tracks where it will follow an existing drainage swale parallel
to the tracks and end up in a temporary retention pond which serves the remaining CBC '
development. The final grading and drainage plan for the CBC site proposes a permanent
stormwater quality and quantity pond located in the southwest corner of the CBC development.
Eventually when the CBC development is built out, storm drainage will be conveyed from ,
approximately 70% of the entire site through storm sewers into the water quality and quantity
retention pond. Until the entire CBC site is developed, this lot will drain into a temporary
retention pond area which is currently a natural low area directly to the west Qf this lot. I
The Twin Cities and Western Railroad has expressed concerns regarding the site draining into
their drainage Swale. Staff has indicated to the railroad that this site will not significantly '
increase runoff or result in a potential erosion problem for them. Although this method of
overland drainage is not our typical drainage scenario (storm sewers), staff is comfortable in this
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case since the overall drainage plan for the CBC site will significantly reduce the overall amount
of runoff draining to the railroad tracks (approximately 40 acres). Parking lot runoff will be
effectively treated by draining through the natural grasses in the drainage swale.
Erosion Control
Erosion control measures shall be incorporated in accordance to the City's Best Management
Practice Handbook (BMPH). Erosion control fences should be used on downstream slopes until
vegetation has been re- established. Staff will confirm the location of the erosion control fence
upon review of the proposed site grades. Access to the site should be limited to one point along
Audubon Road. A gravel construction entrance should be used to minimize tracking material on
to the city streets.
Utilities
City sewer and water are available from Audubon Road. This property was previously assessed
for sanitary sewer and water with the Audubon Road improvement project. The city will be
extending a 6 -inch sewer and 1 -inch water line from Audubon Road to the property line for the
applicant to connect on to. These services, however, will not be available until sometime in early
May. The city will be responsible for restoring Audubon Road and the cost for extending the
service to the property line. The applicant will be required to apply and obtain the necessary
plumbing permits through the city for extending the sewer and waterlines to the building.
Landscgp
A 50 foot landscaped berm was required along Audubon Road as a part of the Chanhassen
Business Center PUD agreement. To date, the berm and the landscaping have not be installed.
This was a requirement with the underlying development contract. Responsibility for the
landscaping may have been shifted to the Kingdom Hall, but they should be made aware that a
certificate of occupancy will not be issued until a landscaped berm is completed or surety to
complete it is received by the city.
In the fall of 1993, the City of Chanhassen planted boulevard street trees along Audubon Road
in the city right -of -way. These trees are a mixture of Kentucky Coffee, maples, Ginkgo, honey
locust, hackberry and oaks. The landscaped berm is in addition to the city's street trees.
The landscaping plan proposes Austrian pines in the northeastern comer and lindens and rose
shrubs on the landscape berm. Along the southern property line are maples and lindens. The
northwestern side of the building includes spruce and red cherry.
Additional overstory trees shall be placed in the parking lot. They can be placed in the planter
island in front of the building and at the most easterly end of the southern parking lot. This will
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bring the plan in compliance with the parking/landscaping requirements. All sodded area will
be watered by a computerized sprinkler system.
Park and Recreation
This site is governed by the development contract/PUD agreement for Chanhassen Business
Center Phase I, requiring full payment of park and trail dedication fees in force upon building
permit application.
Lighting and Sianaee
Parking lct lighting is limited to three 15 foot high light fixtures located in the parking lot. The
lights are consistent with the PUD agreement. (Decorative shoe box fixture, high pressure
sodium with a square ornamental pole.)
The PUD requirements state that the sign shall be limited to a monument sign. The proposed
sign shall not exceed 80 square feet in sign display area and 8 feet in height. The sign shall also
be constructed of ma compatible with the building. The proposed location of the sign is to
the north of the entrance drive off of Audubon Road. The sign shall be moved to the east to
maintain sight lines. The applicants have not submitted a sign plan to date, but staff will ensure
compliance wit's the conditions of the PUD. A separate permit is required for the sign.
COMPLIANCE TABLE -PUD STANDARDS
ORDINANCE
Building Height
Building Setback/Public
ROW
50 feet
50' buffer + 30' setback
Parking Space
Parking Setback
Public ROW
Lot Coverage
Permitted Uses
1 space for each 3 seat
plus 1 per classroom
50' buffer + 25' setback
can be reduced to 10' if
screened
70 % impervious
Church, Lot 1 Block 1
PROPOSED
19 feet
132' - 50 'buffer + 82'
setback
73 spaces
60' - 50' buffer 10'
setback
48 % impervious
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Building Materials and
Design
Brick or Better
4 "face brick
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Variances required - None
Buffer required w/ PUD
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50 ' Buffer on Audubon
max area 80 sq. ft.
max height 8 feet
high pressure sodium
PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE
consistent w/PUD
71 & 2 handicapped
50' buffer on Audubon
one moument and one
wall sign
high pressure sodium
At the last Planning Commission meeting on February 16, 1994 and March 2, 1994, public
hearing was held to review the Jehovah Witness site plan. At the first meeting, however, the
neighborhood was not mailed a notice. Thus, the item was continued and scheduled for the
March 2 meeting.
The Planning Commission had recommended that additional landscaping be placed around the
monument sign. The applicant has provided a new site plan showing additional landscaping
with over story trees placed in the parking lot planter islands and the more landscaping on
the berm and interior yard area. Thus, the recommendation and conditions of approval
remain the same in the attached staff report.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends the City Council adopt the following motion:
"The City Council approves of the site plan for the Jehovah Witness congregation SPR #92 -5
as shown on the plans dated February 25, 1994, and subject to the following conditions:
1. B612 or equivalent concrete curb and gutter shall be installed in all parking lot and
driveway areas with the exception of where the drainage outlets in the northwesterly
portions of the parking areas adjacent to the railroad tracks. The parking lots shall be
designed to promote sheet drainage across the parking lot areas. Depending on the
side slopes of the drainageway, rip rap may or may not be required. If rip rap is not
Site Landscaping
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Signage
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Variances required - None
Buffer required w/ PUD
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50 ' Buffer on Audubon
max area 80 sq. ft.
max height 8 feet
high pressure sodium
PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE
consistent w/PUD
71 & 2 handicapped
50' buffer on Audubon
one moument and one
wall sign
high pressure sodium
At the last Planning Commission meeting on February 16, 1994 and March 2, 1994, public
hearing was held to review the Jehovah Witness site plan. At the first meeting, however, the
neighborhood was not mailed a notice. Thus, the item was continued and scheduled for the
March 2 meeting.
The Planning Commission had recommended that additional landscaping be placed around the
monument sign. The applicant has provided a new site plan showing additional landscaping
with over story trees placed in the parking lot planter islands and the more landscaping on
the berm and interior yard area. Thus, the recommendation and conditions of approval
remain the same in the attached staff report.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends the City Council adopt the following motion:
"The City Council approves of the site plan for the Jehovah Witness congregation SPR #92 -5
as shown on the plans dated February 25, 1994, and subject to the following conditions:
1. B612 or equivalent concrete curb and gutter shall be installed in all parking lot and
driveway areas with the exception of where the drainage outlets in the northwesterly
portions of the parking areas adjacent to the railroad tracks. The parking lots shall be
designed to promote sheet drainage across the parking lot areas. Depending on the
side slopes of the drainageway, rip rap may or may not be required. If rip rap is not
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required then the drainage swale shall be sodded. Final determination will be made by
the City Engineer after review and approval of the site grading plan. '
2. The driveway curb cut on Audubon Road shall be constructed with a concrete
driveway apron in accordance with City detail plate no. 5207 (Attachment No 1). '
3. The applicant shall submit for review and approval a site plan with the pre- and post -
site contours across the lot. The parking lot shall be designed so it drains in three
direction with the high point located at the intersection of the driveway and the '
easterly End southerly parking lots.
4. Erosion control measures shall be employed in accordance with the City Best '
Management Practice Handbook. Access points to the site shall be limited to the
proposed curb cut on Audubon Road. A gravel construction entrance shall be '
provided and maintained until the parking lots and driveway have been paved.
5. Payment of full park and trail fees at the rate in force upon building permit '
annlication.
6. A separate permit is required for the sign. I
7. Marking of handicapped stalls as per the Building Official's letter dated January 31,
1994."
ATTAC
1. Letter from Steve Kern, Chanhassen Congregation of Jehovah's Witness. '
2. Memo from Dave Hempel dated February 8, 1994.
3. Memo from Steve Kirchman dated January 31, 1994. '
4. Planning Commri.ssion minutes dated February 16, 1994 and March 2, 1994.
5. Site. plan.
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Secretary 470 -5475
Chanhassen City Hall
Planning Dept.
Kathryn Aanenson
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Chanhassen
Kingdom Hall
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N A R R A T I V E
Site Location
Block 1, Lot 1, Chanhassen Business Center
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Purpose
Public Bible Lecture, Speech Class, Group Bible Study
Building Size
40'x80' w/ 28'x32' S.E. Wing 4095 sq ft
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Building Height
Max. Seating
19 Feet to outside roof peak
208 Chairs
Parking Spaces
73 spaces
Pk. Lot /side walks
44/ Hard Surface ( Min 2" Bituminous - sidewalks 4 conc)
Green Landscape
51/... 28 Trees, 21 shrubs (on site plan ) a dd20 N,E.wa
near building..... 51/ area has cultured sod.
Lighting
3 Parking Lot poles... PUD Std Parkdale. Flood style
lites in soffits on 3 sides of bldg. facing down.
also Low voltage lighting in garden areas.
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Irrigation
Sprinkler system for all sod areas w/ electronic timer
Restricted
World wide, Kingdom Halls do not provide day care
activity
nor engage in commercial activity.
Sewer / Water
November 1993 Chanhassen city hall Eng. dept. said
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they would stub -in our sewer at city expense. We will
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connect to water at our expense.
MEMORANDUM
CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739
TO: Kate Aanenson, Senior Planner
FROM: Steve A. Kirchman, Building Official
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DATE: January 31, 1994 s
SUBJ: 92 -5 SPR (Chanhassen Kingdom Hall)
Background:
I have reviewed your request for comments on the above referenced planning case, and have some items
that should be added as conditions of approval.
Analysis:
The handicap parking requirements, as specified in the Minnesota State Building Code (MSBC) and shown
on sheet SP I, appear to be inadequate.
1. MSBC 1340.1900 requires approved signage at specified locations at each parking stall.
These signs are not shown.
2. The site approach -must comply with MSBC 1340.0300. The slope of the approach from
the parking lot to the accessible entrance should be indicated as a percent slope.
3. Curb cut requirements are not clearly addressed in "the MSBC, however ADA (CFR 36,
Appendix A, Section 4.7) requirements are generally accepted for curb cuts. Curb cuts and
site approach details are not shown. ,Curb cuts may not be contained within vehicle
parking areas of the stalls.
Recommendations:
The following condition should be added to the conditions of approval.
1. Indicate handicap parking spaces and site approach details complying with MSBC 1340.
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690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739
TO: Kate Anenson, Senior Planner
FROM: Dave Hempel, Assistant City Engineer AW
DATE: February 8, 1994
SUB7: Site Plan Review for Chanhassen Kingdom Hall Church, Lot 1, Block 1
Chanhassen Business Center - LUR 94 -4
Upon review of the site plan dated November 31, 1992, revised November 12, 1993, prepared
by P.V. Blasko, Architect, I offer the following comments and recommendations:
SITE CIRCULATION
Site is proposed to be accessed from Audubon Road which is classified as a collector street on
the City's Comprehensive Plan. Audubon Road has been constructed to urban standards. As a
part of the Chanhassen Business Center (CBC) approval process, one of the conditions of
approval was for this lot to align its driveway access across from the Stockdale property
(Edgework Builders) entrance directly to the east of the : site.. Upon further review and
consideration, staff believes this condition is no longer valid. We strongly believe that the
existing driveway access to the Stockdale parcel will change if not totally be eliminated with
development of their.parcel. Access to their site could be taken from future West Lake Drive.
In combination with this, we believe the permitted use of this parcel (Lot 1, Block 1, Chanhassen
Business Center) would generate fairly low traffic volumes at off -peak times. In addition, the
site lines along Audubon Road are not of concern. Therefore, staff feels comfortable with the
proposed driveway locationrp
The proposed driveway curb cut on Audubon Road should incorporated the use of a concrete
driveway apron to maintain drainage along Audubon Road. The City does have a standard detail
plate (No. 5207) which should be incorporated into the overall site plans.
The parking lots and driveways are proposed to have 6 -inch high cast in place concrete curb and
gutter. At the northwesterly ends of the parking lot adjacent to the railroad tracks, the curbs
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February 8, 1994
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should be deleted to provide a curb opening to maintain sheet drainage from the parking lots into
the drainage Swale adjacent the railroad tracks. I
GRADING & DRAINAGE
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This lot is included with the overall development plan for the CBC site. The lot was rough
graded in accordance to the approved grading plan for CBC. Therefore the site will involve
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relatively minor grading for the building pad, parking lot and driveway areas. The site plan
should provide the pre- and post -site contours across the lot. Staff recommends that the parking
lot be designed so it drains into three directions with the high point located at the intersection
'
of the driveway and easterly and southerly parking lots. This will evenly distribute runoff into
three areas where it can easily be handled. A majority of the site, approximately 70 %, will drain
northwesterly towards the railroad tracks where it will follow an existing drainage swale parallel
'
to the tracks and end up in a temporary retention pond which serves the remaining CBC
development. The final grading and drainage plan for the CBC site proposes a permanent
stormwater quality and quantity pond located in the southwest corner of the CBC development.
'
Eventually when the CBC development is built out, storm drainage will be conveyed from
approximately 70% of the entire site through storm sewers into the water quality and quantity
'
retention pond. Until the entire CBC site is developed, this lot will drain into a temporary
retention pond area which is currently a naturally low area directly to the west of this lot.
,
The Twin Cities and Western Railroad has expressed concerns from the site draining into their
drainage swale. Staff has indicated to the Railroad that this site will not significantly increase
runoff or result in a potential erosion problem for them. Although this method of overland
'
drainage is not our typical drainage scenario (storm sewers), staff is comfortable in this case since
the overall drainage plan for the CBC site will significantly reduce the overall amount of runoff
draining to the railroad tracks (approximately 40 acres). Parking lot runoff will be effectively
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treated by draining through the natural grasses in the drainage swale.
EROSION CONTROL
Erosion control measures shal' be incorporated in accordance to the City's Best Management
'
Practice Handbook )sion control fences should be used on downstream slopes until
vegetation has been re- estabi. ed. Staff will confirm the location of the erosion control fence
upon review of the proposed site grades. Access to the site should be limited to one point along
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Audubon Road. A gravel construction entrance should be used to minimize tracking material on
to the city streets. I
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UTILITIES
City sewer and water are available from Audubon Road. This property was previously assessed
for sanitary sewer and water with the Audubon Road improvement project. The City will be
' extending a 6 -inch sewer and 1 -inch water line from Audubon Road to the property line for the
applicant to connect on to. These services, however, will not be available until sometime in early
May. The City will be responsible for restoring Audubon Road and the cost for extending the
service to the property line. The applicant will be required to apply and obtain the necessary
plumbing permits through the City for extending the sewer and water lines to the building.
' STAFF
RECOMMENDATIONS
1. B612 or equivalent concrete curb and gutter shall be installed in all parking lot and
driveway areas with the exception of where the drainage outlets in the northwesterly
portions of the parking areas adjacent to the railroad tracks. The parking lots shall be
designed to promote sheet drainage across the parking lot areas. Depending on the side
slopes of the drainageway, rip rap may or may not be required. If rip rap is not required
' then the drainage swale shall be sodded. Final determination will be made by the City
Engineer after review and approval of the site grading plan.
2. The driveway curb cut on Audubon Road shall be constructed with a concrete driveway
apron in accordance with City detail plate no. 5207 (Attachment No 1).
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3. The applicant shall submit for review and approval a site plan with the pre- and post -site
contours across the lot. The parking lot shall be designed so it drains in three direction
with the high point located at the intersection of the driveway and the easterly and
southerly parking lots.
4. Erosion control measures shall be employed in accordance with the City Best
Management Practice Handbook. Access points to the site shall be limited to the
proposed curb cut on Audubon Road. A gravel construction entrance shall be provided
and maintained until the parking lots and driveway have been paved.
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Planning Commission Meeting - February . 16, 1994
Scott: We have a second public hearing tonight and due to the situation of notices, vis a vis
the adjoining property holders, we will have a public hearing but we will continue the public
hearing until our next Planning Commission meeting which will be on the 2nd of March.
Also item number 3, Lotus Realty Services, we will have a public hearing but that public
hearing will be continued until our next meeting. So there will be no motions or there will
be no action taken on items number 2 and 3 of the agenda until the next meeting.
PUBLIC HEARING:
' CHANHASSEN KINGDOM HALL FOR A SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A 3,800
SQUARE FOOT CHURCH TO BE CONSTRUCTION ON AN 87,113 SQUARE FOOT
PARCEL LOCATED ON LOT 1, BLOCK 1. CHANHASSEN BUSINESS CENTER,
LOCATED SOUTH OF THE CHICAGO, MILWAUKEE, ST. PAUL AND PACIFIC
RAILROAD AND WEST OF AUDUBON ROAD.
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Kate Aanenson presented the staff report on this item.
Harberts: Has Public Safety had a chance to look at this with regards to the circulation of
cars in the parking area?
Aanenson: Yes.
Harberts: And they're okay with it?
Aanenson: Yeah. The only issue that they raised was that the appropriate marking of...and
they felt that was fine.
Harberts: What about with regards to public safety.
Aanenson: Turning radius of emergency vehicles?
Harberts: Right.
Aanenson: Yeah.
Harberts: That works?
Aanenson: Yep.
Harberts: Okay. Was that in the report or it just wasn't...
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Aanenson: There wasn't a specific letter from the Fire Marshal but we did look at that. '
Scott: Any other comments, questions for staff? I
Mancino: I think I'll wait for their presentation.
Scott: Okay, good. I just have one question, as I recall going through the conditions. There
isn't a condition for approval that has to do with the construction of the berm or surety for
that, which we want to add when we do the motion on the 2nd of March. We'd like to hear
from the applicant or their representative. If you could please, if you'd like to present, please
step forward and identify yourself.
Steve Kern: Good evening. M name is Steve Kern at 6540 Devonshire Drive, Chanhassen.
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I'm here mostly to answer questions. I think your staff did a fine job of presenting the whole
project pretty well. The main thing that's been taking place is that if we hear more input
with the approved project, we go along with and add to in a revised drawing. Those two
photographs that we showed you are from the Cologne congregation right on the Highway
212 and the purpose of sharing those with you, if you did get those in your mail, was that '
they help address the ... and that top photograph shows a similar view to what we would see on
the elevation drawings only about 3 times the distance or 130 feet... And also the other view
that we've done, is very similar when you go to the south coming over the bridge. If you '
look over that northeast... where we're proposing to break it up with large trees and break that
roofline a little bit. The shrubbery as an ... all the way around the building ... and we're '
interested in making a real nice site that's going to be very eye appealing to the community.
The building itself is identical to these photographs with a few changes are down inside...
Harberts: How high is the drive thru canopy? How high is that? Maybe the real question is, ,
is it high enough to get a public transit vehicle through there? People that require... service.
Steve Kern: Yes. '
Harberts: Do we have dimensions on that? I
Steve Kern: ...construction drawing looking at the top and it actually gives the ... Last year we
built 200 of these around the world. Those issues are always addressed and bsi7,1.g that you've
got the handicapped ramp that's presented in the final drawing that you ha :, .. `it there...
We're recognizing small buses and other kinds of buses might drop people tiiiiar a large
event. The ramp is there and the height requirement...
Harberts: I think it needs to be somewhere around 8 to 10 feet.
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Steve Kern: I'm pretty sure it's taller than that.
Conrad: Kate, what's the impervious surface ratio of that?
Aanenson: 70 %.
Conrad: It is 70? What if the church grows? Do you add on or what happens?
Steve Kern: Well, we don't add on. ...always stay the same. Right now we have an average
of 90 people—and my guess is around 150 -170 and then they change our territory for maybe
some might be asked to go to Shakopee. Some might be asked to go to Cologne if they're
not growing very fast. You also have a hall in the Navarre area. Edina ... and if 20 years from
now they were all full or they didn't wish to participate, we have in the past doubled our
meetings so we have a Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday. Tuesday's a large meeting where the hall
is 90 or 100 and Sundays is 90 to 100. The Tuesday meeting is one ... so what we would do is
start a second congregation in Chanhassen and then they would use Wednesday night and
Friday night.
Conrad: Do you ever have times when you have a lot more people on site?
Steve Kern: It would be weddings, which in this particular group they're either very old or
very young. I don't see anything coming up. On the average once every 5 years we see a
wedding take place. The final drawings we show chair seating, we would put up about 155
chairs to be comfortable. Very extended browsing room in the back but the plan from New
York show that you can get 208 chairs in there which the parking was relied on ... to come up
with 73. So we could expand in a wedding situation...
Conrad: Kate, do we allow parking on Audubon?
Aanenson: No.
Conrad: So where do they go when they have those particular events? Because you're kind
of isolated right now.
Steve Kern: I think that, like right now we're only seeing 30 cars. 35 cars that come with
those 90 people and families. And so in a wedding per se, would probably bring us into that
73 range. I don't know if temporary permits are possible. What we sometimes have done
is ... a community center or school and get permission to use their parking and bus people back
and forth.
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Aanenson: There might be another user inside the industrial park they can shuttle them back
and forth.
Scott: Have you got any other questions for the applicant?
Farmakes: I don't see any landscaping in front of the sign area. I don't see any on the plan,
although there's not a detailed.
Steve Kern: Yeah being that the signage was drafted here just today I guess. The plans that
you have we have shrubbery around the building. Nothing ... but we certainly could add that
in the proposal. We want landscaping.
Farmakes: I think that would integrate it better to the building situation if you look at that.
don't have any further comments on the structure.
Mancino: I have a couple comments and questions on the landscaping. In the staff report
there seems to be a mixture of Kentucky Coffee, maples, Ginkgo along Audubon. Where are
they? I can't.
Aanenson: They don't show up on this plan ... If you go out and visit the site, they're around
there. That was part of the improvement project we did ... in the city's right -of -way. What we
would want to ... They have submitted another landscape plan...
Mancino: Okay. Well one of my suggestions would be that if we have boulevard
landscaping on Audubon, and let's say the trees are planted every 20 feet apart, etc that when
we go in and put the berm, the 4 foot berm and it is a continuous berm?
Aanenson: Well we'd like to see if that...
Mancino: That we use some plant massings instead of doing one every 16 feet or something
like that. I think that your choice of the lindens, the little leaf one is great. They get a
nice ... tall and have a good span but I would like to see some massing. And maybe some
other coniferous trees that will give screening all year. That would be my suggestion to add
to that because the main reason for putting that screening, according to our ordinance, is to...
parking lots and cars so we would like to do it also you know in a long winter light too. So
I'd like to add that to...
Scott: Kate, just one question. With the drainage of the NURP pond that either it is built or
has yet to be built. Is there going to be replacement for the rip rap? Kind of overland
drainage or is that just always going to drain over land into the swale by the tracks?
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Hempel: Once we review the final parking lot grading plan from the applicant here, we'll
determine whether or not the velocity of runoff is enough to require rip rap. We may be able
to maintain a...area for the runoff to go through. Kind of sheet drain it through the parking
lot similar to what we've done in the Industrial Control out on Park Drive. Their parking lot
sheet drains...
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Hempel: ...so we'll be looking at that in detail ... We recommended to the applicant that
they ... to minimize runoff in one direction...
Scott: Okay. Any other questions or comments? Okay. Seeing none, this item will be
continued to the next Planning Commission meeting. Thank you very much for coming in.
PUBLIC HEARING:
LOTUS REALTY SERVICES FOR A SITE PLAN REVIEW OF A_9.6 SQUARE
FOOT OFFICE RETAIL BUIDLING (EDINA REALTY) AND A 2,533 SQUARE FOOT
FAST FOOD RESTAURANT (WENDY'S) TO BE LOCATED ON LOT 4 AND
OUTLOT A. MARKET SQUARE.
Sharmin Al -Jaff presented the staff report on this item.
Scott: We'll probably do questions and answers of staff and then have the applicant make
their presentation. Do that.
Farmakes: The contractual agreement the city has on a PUD, what is the time line in effect?
Does it go on ad infinitum?
Krauss: To the best of my knowledge... determination basically what you did back in '89 was
dropped the underlying zoning of the property and substituted the PUD ... I know there is some
language that was implemented in the Lake Susan Hills.
Mancino: So many years.
Krauss: Yeah. That was an uncommon stipulation and I don't believe they put it here.
Farmakes: How do we apply, what if anything, has been changed in the interim of time to
consideration of this development? What was appropriate?
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CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 2, 1994
Chairman Scott called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
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MEMBERS PRESENT: Matt Ledvina, Joe Scott, Nancy Mancino, Ron Nutting, Jeff
Farmakes, Ladd Conrad and Diane Harberts
STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Senior Planner; Bob Generous, Planner II; Sharmin Al-
Jaff, Planner I; Dave Hempel, Asst. City Engineer; Paul Krauss, Planning Director; and Todd
Gerhardt, Asst. City Manager
Chairman Scott introduced the newest member of the Planning Commission, Ron Nutting.
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PUBLIC HEARING:
CHANHASSEN KINGDOM HALL FOR A SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR 3,800 SQUARE
FOOT CHURCH TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON AN 87,113 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL
LOCATED ON LOT 1. BLOCK 1, CHANHASSEN BUSINESS CENTER, LOCATED
SOUTH OF THE CHICAGO, MILWAUKEE, ST. PAUL AND PACIFIC RAILROAD
AND WEST OF AUDUBON ROAD.
Public Present:
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Name Address
Gordon &Betty Jayne Fraser 6982 Ed g ebrook Place
Martin R. Andreasen 19330 Vine Ridge Road
Joshua P. Rissell 17301 Duck Lake Trail, Eden Prairie
Phillip & Linda Koskela 17301 Duck Lake Trail, Eden Prairie
Pearl Rogneby 15901 South Eden Drive, Eden Prairie
Mary & Dave Gustafson 110924 Von Hertzen, Chaska
Gary Harju 5985 Mill Street, Excelsior
Steve Kern 6540 Devonshire Drive
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Kate Aanenson presented the staff report on this item.
Commissioners?
Scott: Are there any comments or questions to staff from the Planning
Mancino: I'll have some questions after the applicant.
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Scott: Okay. Seeing none, we'd like to hear from the applicant or their representative. Yes
sir, and please state your name and your address.
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Steve Kern: Good evening. My name is Steve Kern, 6540 Devonshire Drive in Chanhassen,
Minnesota. As of 2 weeks ago we made note of points brought out by the Planning
Commission and we've added some change. What we made note of was on the drawing
concerning that berm area, had more grading in that area to put in some ... where we're going
to be putting some of those lindens and the mounded so they'll be above the snow line. And
we'll ... with some a second row of green evergreens within that same garden area. We kind
of drew them in this area here and have a crazy 8 shape. And the other areas, the two ends,
instead of having the Black Hills spruce up on the north end and then the monument at the
other end, which we put around some... spreaders around the monument. I think we'll also
have some other shrubbery ... So we've got some green around the monument... requested,
maybe not at the meeting but by staff to move the monument sign back 2 1/2 feet so there
will be better visual for people pulling out of the driveway so that adjustment is made on that
drawing. And the note ... rip rap, it's been recommended that we use the sheet drainage over
the sod so that's made note of. And then we did make note also of the 11 city trees that we
will, as is noted here, stagger our lindens between the city trees as noted along the boulevard
there so we have a proper visual balance. Also I've made note that the handicap parking
concern, so rather than finding a way to draw the signs themselves and just made note right
in there of the code where it said the MSPC ... handicap sign ... make sure that that's covered.
If I could answer any questions.
Scott: Are there any questions for the applicant from commissioners?
Mancino: Yeah. I just had a few. First of all thanks for the revisions to the landscape plan.
I notice here that you have on the berm, on the east side of the berm you have garden. What
does that mean?
Steve Kern: In a sense that's bringing in those evergreens. To move those and so on—have
either some chips and mulch and also a lot of small crushed stone to make up some of the
garden ... we're going to make kind of a bordered garden effect with I think a crazy 8 shape
like this and kind of starting up over the hill a little bit over the berm.
Mancino: Great. Have you, on the list, the planning schedule list, have you added your
mugo pines and your arborvitae?
' ve Kern: Yes.
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Steve Kern: Yes. As this list goes down and then M, N, O, P and Q covered the ... a verbal
discussion made about shrubberies around the building and we wanted to actually put a list
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there so we got 6 and 7 of the mock orange and purple ... and there's some Carlisle Buckthome
going around the building. Along with what was already there. And then the Sierra
spreaders 6 pieces around the monument. A couple more of white plum birch on the corner
of the parking lot by the driveway right here. And then we added to the list, the numbers
went up for the other concerns where now there's, let's see. Item number G ... And then yes,
the mugo pines did not get. listed I believe only because they want to be out there and
arrange. There could be 3, there might be 6 that would be appropriate. We weren't sure how
many but you can be assured that's in there. '
Mancino: Okay, and the arborvitae too?
Steve Kern: Yes. We're making note within that garden area there's going to be an adequate '
amount to fill that space but we weren't sure how many to put in there.
Mancino: That's fine.
Scott: Okay. Any other comments or questions for the applicant? Hearing none, thank you '
very much. This is a public hearing. Can we have a motion to open the public hearing
please?
Mancino moved, Ledvina seconded to open the public hearing. All voted in favor and
the motion carried. The public hearing was opened.
Scott: Is there anyone in attendance for this particular issue, item number 1. Chanhassen
Kingdom Hall. Yes sir. Okay, feel free to ask questions or give your input if you would
like.
Resident: Just here in support.
Scott: Okay. Let the record show that there's no one that wishes to speak at the public
hearing.
Ledvina moved, Mancino seconded to close the public hearing. All voted in favor and
the motion carried. The public hearing was closed.
SL , Any comments prior to making a motion on this particular item?
Ledvina: I don't have any additional comments. This is essentially the third time the
Commission has seen the plan and I think we've pretty much worked out the concerns as it
related to the land use and the parking. The collector street. Proximity to the collector street,
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etc so I would support the proposal subject to the conditions listed in the staff report.
Scott: Okay, good. Any other comments? Can I have a motion please?
Ledvina: I move that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the site plan for the
Jehovah Witness congregation SPR #92 -5 as shown on the plans and subject to the conditions
identified in the staff report.
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Mancino: Second.
Ledvina moved, Mancino seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval
of the site plan for the Jehovah Witness congregation SPR #92 -5 as shown on the plans
and subject to the following conditions:
1. B612 or equivalent concrete curb and gutter shall be installed in all parking lot and
driveway areas with the exception of where the drainage outlets in the northwesterly
portions of the parking areas adjacent to the railroad tracks. The parking lots shall be
designed to promote sheet drainage across the parking lot areas. Depending on the side
slopes of the drainageway, rip rap may or may not be required. If rip rap is not required,
then the drainage swale shall be sodded. Final determination will be made by the City
Engineer after review and approval of the side grading plan.
2. The driveway curb cut on Audubon Road shall be constructed with a concrete driveway
apron in accordance with city detail plate no. 5207 (Attachment No. 1).
3. The applicant shall submit for review and approval a site plan with the pre and post site
contours across the lot. The parking lot shall be designed so it drains in three directions
with the high point located at the intersection of the driveway and the easterly and
southerly parking lots.
4. Erosion control measures shall be employed in accordance with the City's Best
Management Practice Handbook. Access points to the site shall be limited to the
proposed curb cut on Audubon Road.. A, gravel construction entrance shall be provided
and maintained until+_lik parking lots and driveway have been paved.
5. A separate permit is required for the sign.
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6. Markin of handicapped stalls as per the Building Official's letter dated January 31 1994.
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All voted in favor, except Ladd Conrad and Diane Harberts who were not present to '
vote, and the motion carried.
PUBLIC HEARING:
CHARLIE JAMES FOR A VARIANCE TO THE CITY CODE REGARDING THE '
SIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR WEST VILLAGE HEIGHTS CENTER, LOCATED ON
LOT 4, BLOCK 1, WEST VILLAGE HEIGHTS 2ND ADDITION.
Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item.
Scott: Any questions or comments for staff? I
Ledvina: The situation on the west wall of the building, why. First of all, does that
represent, their request, does that represent a variance?
Generous: Yes.
Ledvina: Okay. So under normal situations, as far as the ordinance is concerned. '
Generous: They would get no signage. It says street frontage. I
Ledvina: They have to have street frontage, okay.
Generous: In reviewing this we looked at that and as part of the site plan we made them
create a business ... on the west end of the retail center and that's why they're requesting that.
They want to have actual frontage for the building so when people park out front, they can
know that they're walking into the, engineering design ... what have you.
Mancino: So we don't have street frontage there. Now according to what we have, Section
20 -1303, it says for a wall business sign, it says one wall business sign shall be permitted per
street frontage for each business occupant within the building. So I'm looking here at the
south elevation and I see th signs. 'I see Fine Foods, Open 24 Hours, I see a
Byerly's sign and I see a Wine and Spirits. And according to our ordinance, they're allowed
to have one sign.
Generous: Well the way we've been doing that is to aggregate the total square footage as it...
for that building.
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