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3 Roundhouse RecommendationC OF C HASSEN 690 City Center Drive PO Box 147 Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317 Phone 952.93ZI900 Generd F~ 952.93Z5739 Engineering Department Fax 952.93Z9152 Building Department Fax 952.934.2524 Web Site u~vw.d, chanhassen, mn. us MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: Scott Botcher, City Manager Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Dir. ector DATE: April 13, 2001 SUB J: Recommendation from Park and Recreation Commission Concerning the Roundhouse On January 22, 2001, the City Council tabled action on the award of bids for the Roundhouse Park Pavilion and directed staff to prepare numbers for exterior renovation of the building. On February 12, 2001, a second report was presented to the City Council presenting the information requested. Upon conclusion of the discussion that evening, staff was directed to coordinate a neighborhood meeting between the Park and Recreation Commission and area residents to discuss alternative methods of renovating the Roundhouse. On Tuesday, April 10, 2001, the Park and Recreation commission Conducted this neighborhood meeting. The agenda item from that evening is attached, as are the minutes of the meeting. ~ RECOMMENDATION Upon conclusion of the discussion at the meeting, Commissioner Franks recommended that the City Council move forward with Option 4' leading to an adaptive reuse of th~ Roundhouse as a park shelter and that the Commission review progress to that end at their September meeting and if the consensus of the Commission is that progress is not satisfactory, that the Commission would then entertain demolition of the Roundhouse at that time..The motion was clarified to specify that a neighborhood coordinator and committee would form to retain and work directly with a local contractor to complete the renovation. Commissioner Berg seconded the motion which passed on a vote of 5 to 1. *Option 4 Work with a Local COntractor Estimated Cost: $50,000 At the time the Roundhouse project was initiated, state bidding laws required any public project over $25,000 be competitively bid. To accomplish this, a set of construction plans and specifications was required. The city hired Locus Architecture to prepare these documents. Subsequently, the architect hired an engineer to study the structural integrity of the building. The outcome of this Scott Botcher April 13, 2001 Page 2 process--a thick and relatively complicated set of plans and specifications--frightened off local contractors. Ah, the beauty of public bidding laws that are intended to save money! Since that time, the upper limit for investing in city projects without'a public bid has been raised to $50,000. This new law allows the city to solicit quotations up to $50,000 from local contractors for fixing up the Roundhouse. In an effort to stretch this budget amount, neighborhood volunteers could perform some or all of the demolition work prior to the contractor coming on board. Positives: Reasonable cost, neighborhood involvement in the project, Roundhouse structure would remain, could be used for a summer and winter park shelter, and improved appearance. Negatives: The "finish" of the final product would be compromised due to budget constraints, the possibility that the money may run out prior to completion, and considerable neighborhood and city labor required. c: Park and Recreation Commission g:\park\thXroundhouse~roundhouse cc memo 4-12-01 .doc AGENDA PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, APRIL 10, 2001, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 CITY CENTER DRIVE 7:30 p.m. - CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioners may add or delete items at this time. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. If a motion is required, the item will be fOrwarded to the next available agenda to allow for publication and review prior to consideration. . _ OLD BUSINESS 1. Roundhouse Park, Resident Meeting. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT C]TYOF 690 Ci7 Co,er Drivt PO £ox ]47 C/.,a,l.=ss~. Mhmesota 55317 952.)3Z]900 952.93Z5739 952.93Z9152 &z~di,g D~am, a, Fax 952.93(2527 March 29, 2001 Dear Resident: I am writing to update you on the work being done to tenovate the round building in Roundhouse Park. Some of you have submitted comments regarding this project to the city or our elected officials. Thank you tbr taking the time to do so. The city is now at a point o£needing additional community input prior to moving forward. Please allow me to provide you with some history, of the Roundhouse Project. In August of 1995. the city purchased the majority of the land now known as Roundhouse Park fi'om the Harstad Companies. Two l~omes, a barn, and the "Roundhouse" occupied the property. In 1996, all the structures were scheduled for demolition; however, the RoundhouSe was saved in a last minute decision to preserve a local landmark. In 1997 and 1998. the re:nainder of the park ,.,,,as developed around the Roundhouse. It was during that time that the roof membrane blew offand the structure sustained significant water dmnage. The roofsupport structure has failed as a ..'esu!t ofage, rotting, and its fiat design. To prot.ect against further damage, a temporary watel'prooftarp has been secured on the Roundhouse. It xvas made to drain by stacking a series of pallets and tires'underneath it. In 1998, the city initiated discussions with various architects, exploring the requirements of renovating the structure. The fact that the project is small. 3'et relatively complex, limited the available pool of consultants. In 1999, the city hired Locus Architects to conduct a preliminary investigation and condition review of the Roundhouse. Their report estimated that an investment of $61,100 to $86,800 would be required to renovate the Roundhouse. Subsequently, Locus Architects was hired to prepare plans and specifications and conduct bidding for the renovation of the Roundhouse pavilion. The City has received bids on the project on two occasions. The first bid opening of September 29, 2000 resulted in two bids---one of $145,769 and a second at $237,000. Both bids were rejected, and a second bid opening scheduled for December 6, 2000. During the first bidding process, several contractors identified possible sources of asbestos and lead based paint in the project. In order to determine the extent of these issues, the city hired Angstrom Analytical, Inc. to conduct limited scope asbestos and lead-in paint tests. The results identified approximately 40 to 50 sq. ft. of linoleum in the second floor bathroom containing friable asbestos. The lead-in paint test identified five exterior and two interior paint locations, which exceed the lead based paint hazard threshold. The results of these tests were incorporated into the second set of bid documents distributed for the December opening. March 29, 2001 Page 2 The second bid opening resulted in four bids--SI 19,372; $124,800; $131,000; and $183,060. The low bidder was Mcon Construction of Hanover, Minnesota. These bids are all approximately 50% or more over the established project budget of $80,000. However, I believe the three low bids represent today's prices for completing the work identified in the plans and specifications. In other words, I do not believe a third bidding would yield a significantly different result. On January 18, 2001, the Park & Recreation Commission made a recommendation to the City Council to authorize a budget amendment increasing the Roundhouse Project costs to no more than $125,000, using Park Dedication Funds. The commission recommended a change order increasing Mcon's bid by $4,065 for stripping the exterior paint and clear coating the wood. This increased the total project cost to $123,437. With the price tag for the project 50% over the original estimate, the City Council was uncomfortable awarding the project and directed the Park & Recreation Commission to host a resident meeting. This meeting is intended to generate discussion regardi/ig the ROundhouse, the public bidding outcome, and to seek input on the future of the Roundhouse. The Park & Recreation Cominission will hoSttliis meeting on Tuesday, APril 10} 200 l, at' 7:30 p,m. in the-City Council Chambers. The Roundhouse'is the only topic pf. discussion'~Cheduledthat' evening, . - - The Park & Recreation Commission has identified four likely alternatives to awarding the project at'a cost orS125,000. These are outlined on the attached sheet. I encourage you to attend this public meeting. It will likely be your last opportunity to provide input prior to a decision being made to either repair or demolish the Roundhouse. If you are unable to attend the meeting, but would like to submit comments, please forward them to my attention. Correspondence received to date is already a part of the public record. Thank you for your attention. Sincerely, Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director C-' Scott A. Botcher, City Manager Mayor & City Council Park & Recreation Commission ATTACHMENTS Meeting Notice Project Alternative Sheet Public Meeting Notice Park & Recreation Commission o o Resident Meeting to Discuss Future of the Round Structure Located at Roundhouse Pat'h, 3950 Kings Road Tuesday, April 10, 2001, 7:30 p.m. Chanhassen City Hall, 690 City Center Drive, City Council Chambers If you are unable to attend, but would like to submit written comments, send them to the attention of Todd Hoffman at Chanhassen City Hall, or by email at thoffman~ci.chanhassen.mn.us. Roundhouse Renovation Alternatives Complete Minimum Improvements Estimated Cost: $30,000 The fiat roof the Roundhouse has failed. It is structurally unsound with a pronounced sag in the center. The temPorary roof tarp has been made to drain by placing a series of pallets and tires underneath it. The exterior of the building is painted with lead-in paint, which is in need of encapsulation. A bare-bones approach to preserving this structure would include the following elements: interior demolitlon and clean up, roof framing, roofing, and exterior painting. The existing window and door openings would simply be boarded over and painted. Positives: Preserves the Roundhouse, improves its appearance, stops degradation. Negatives: Windows are simply boarded up, exterior is painted~not clear coated, no functional use. Demolish and Replace with New "Post and Slab" Park Shelter Estimated Cost: $50,000 The City .park crew would be called upon to demolish the structure, haul the remains away to a landfill, and backfill the void left from the basement. Demolition would be followed by the construction of a new "post and slab" park shelter, similar to those constructed at Meadow Green and North Lotus Lake Parks. Siting of the new shelter would either be west of the existing Roundhouse, or on the site of the Roundhouse. Situating the new shelter in the same spot as the Roundhouse Would require special backfilling measures to prevent settlement. Positives: The cost is still less than the bid to renovate; liability of the Roundhouse is gone; new structure is built. Negatives: Roundhouse structure is gone, no utilization as a winter warming house. 3~ e Enlist a Neighborhood Volunteer Brigade Estimated Cost: $50,000 or less One or more residents willing to manage the project would need to come forward at the neighborhood meeting. This manager would then enlist other neighborhood residents to participate in the project. Their varied talents and trades, in'combination with some sub- contractor work, would be organized to produce a renovated' Roundhouse. To comply with state bidding laws, the manager could invest up to $50,000 in cash in the project. Positives: High level of neighborhood control over outcome, feeling of neighborhood ownership, structure is saved and renovated into a usable summer and winter shelter. Negatives: City "control" over final product is minimized. Work with a Local Contractor Estimated Cost: $50,000 At the time the Roundhouse project was initiated, state bidding laws required any public project over $25,000 be competitively bid. To accomplish this, a set of construction plans and specificationSwas required. The city hired Locus Architecture to prepare these documents. SubsequentlY, the a?chitect hired an engineer to study the structural integrity of the building. The oUtcome of this process--a thickand relatively complicated set of plans and specifications--frightened off local contractors. Ah, the beauty of public bidding laws that are intended to save money! Since that time, the upper limit for investing in city projects without a public bid' has been raised to $50,000. This new law allows the city to solicit quotations up to $50,000 from local contractors for fixing up the Roundhouse. In an effort to stretch this budget amount, neighborhood volunteers could perform some or all of the demolition work prior to the contractor coming on board. Positives: Reasonable cost, neighborhood involvement in the project, Roundhouse structure would remain, could be used for a summer and winter park shelter, and improved appearance. Negatives: The "finish" of the final product would be compromised due to budget constraints, the possibility fl~at the money may run out prior to completion, and considerable neighborhood and city labor required. e ' Hoffman, Todd Fron'~. Sent: To: Sub]ect~ Davthorm an @ aol.com Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:43 PM thoffman@ci.chanhassen.mn.us Roundhouse Project ~earTodd: I support awarding the project to Mcon Construction Company for the revised bid cost of $123,437.00. /~y reasons for endorsing the project are essentially two-fold; 1.) I believe the original structure should be retained as a local landmark, and as a statement to future citizens and visitors to our community that we value history and individuality, and 2.) That the project be professionally completed so that the building's functionality as a warming house and park .shelter, as well as its aesthetic features, be maximized. ~reserving, for future generations, a unique and historical building, for an incremental cost of a maximum of $100,000, is a relatively small'price ~o way- . Thank you for seeking input from the community. I walk ~y the RoundhouSe almos~ every day as part of my exercise routine, and never fail to note its ~praminence and presence. Sincerely, David Thorman 4164 Lakeridge Road Excelsior, MN 55331 ~igtulands on Lake St. Joe Addition ~52.401.3751 Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Bjorkj700 @ cs.com Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:16 PM thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.m n. us jbjork@wirsbo.com Roundhouse Park Dear I~r. Hoffman, .' I am a stay-at-home mom with 2 kids, ages 5 and 3. My husbahd and I and our kids live near Roundhouse Park and use the playground facilities quite a bit. T have been stymied by the attention given to the "Roundhouse." It should have been demolished long ago! I'm all for restoration/renovation/retention of older buildings° In this case, however, the building lacks the charm or historical significance that would merit the expense of keeping it around. Of the four options, I would choose number 2, "Demolish and Replace with New "Post and Slab" Park Shelter. Let's not waste money on renovating an ugly building with no historical importance! " " · Thank you. Sheryl Bjork 3900 Lone Cedar Circle Chanhassen 952-474-1165 To: Todd Hoffxnan Park and Recreation Director Park and Recreation Commission April 2, 2001 Subject: Roundhouse Renovation I have read your public meeting notice and the alternatives you have presented. The situation was well presented. We have lived for 40 years just north of the Roundhouse and are well acquainted with its history, the man who assembled the structure, and all of the past residents. I have been quoted as taking a position that I want the structure destroyed, that is not my first position. I am going to make some observations before I comment on the alternatives, I am doing it in this order to end on a positive note. As always, what ever is decided I will support your decision as best I can. During the approximately 50 years the structure has been on the old Lane Property, I cannot remember the exterior being painted or refurbiShed since Ben Lane moved from . this home into his rambler.. This period includes the last six years the city has Owned the~- building. There.has never been any concern by any of the councils to keeP its appearance appropriate for the area. Wood structures ~.equire maintenance continually and based on the past I cannot foresee the cohncils being concerned in the future. My negative feeling is based on What consideration the Roundhouse has been given in the past and my experience on many budget meetings in my company. One can always justify money for a new project and let the maintenance of the old project go to another year, its the old pass the buck to no more money. I feel I was "cut off at the pass" for this unique structure to be considered as a special addition to the library. This could be a magnificent eye catcher where anyone in Chan would see it as they pass city hall. There is consideration to paint the Roundhouse on its present site. What it really needs is the appropriate finish to display the Norway fir fine wood grain. Alternative number one for "complete minimum improvements" sucks. There is no such thing as "no degradation". I wonder if councilman Ayotte would have suggested this if he lived in the immediate neighborhood and looked at the decrepit building at least twice a day. This is a superb example of how the council will treat the structure in the future when it requires maintenance. Replacement is an alternative, if this is adopted I suggest a round structure. I would like to see included in the analysis how much the city is involved with examples of what they would do and the dollar amount---budget estimate only. I think there are better alternatives. I would like to see alternative 3 & 4 combined. If city support is committed (it should be worth about $30,000) well defined (in dollars, equipment, and labor), and the neighborhood makes a commitment, the contractor has a good chance to see what he can do for $50K. I like this approach for as stated in the proposal if the neighborhood is involved it is our park and when it is time for maintenance there will be "know how" immediately available. In line with this I suggest that the contractor be given "program management" authority. Good luck on your decision!! Dave Headla 474-7269. City of Cnanhassen Park & Trail Director April 2, 2001 Dear Todd, We are pleased that the city has taken another approach to the matter of the preserve the Roundhouse proposal. In a previous letter to the city we urged them to demolish the building but that was not a consideration. Perhaps many residents of the area who favor preserving this so-called land- mark are not aware that the money used to make repairs is the money that each of us paid as a park and trail dedication fee when we purchased our properties. My husband and I. enjoy walking often on the parkway mid our question to the city and to yourself is why would they spe~d so much money on a structure t~hat~ has such limited function and blocks such a lovely view of the lake. We think the idea of the post and slab shelter seem like a more useful and safe alternative. Thank you Sincerely, RECEIVED APR 0 3 2001 CITY OF CHANHASSEN Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Subject: Sally Peterjohn [speterjohn @edenpr. k12.mn.us] Monday, April 02, 2001 11:02 AM thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.m n. us Roundhouse Renovation Alternatives Ny husband, Dave, and I live in the neighborhood. We are supportive of #2 Demolish and replace the structure. We think it's an eyesore, an environmental and safety hazard, and too much money has already been spent just to get to this point. We do appreciate having all the options identified and the chance to have this input. Thanks for all your efforts. Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Paula Epping [pepping @ edenpr, k12.mn.us] Monday, April 02, 2001 3:41 PM thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us jepping @ edenpr, kl 2.m n.us Roundhouse Renovation Dear /~r. Hoffman, Ny husband, Joe Epping, and myself would like to recommend option 2 - demolishing the structure and building a new "post and slab"' shelter. In our opinion, despite the historic value of the Roundhouse structure, the costs of what is needed to improve the structure to what was originally intended are too great. The structure is currently an eyesore. Making minimum improvements would not be such that it would ~mprove the overall worthiness of what was originally intended. Keep the name - demolish the eyesore! Sincerely, Paula Epping (952) 470-4049 Hoffman, Todd tFrom~ Sent: Cc: Subject= LC Jansen2 @ aol.com Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:15 AM GretaOarl9@aol.com; smorgan@musicland.com; joannh@visi.com; PETEM @ arboretum.umn.edu; shachtman @ dellnet.com; DaveYSTF @ aol.com; ed @ mtn.org; AMYDSTICK @ aol.com bayotte @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; mkroskin @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; slabatt@cLchanhassen.mn.us; cpeterson@ci.chanhassen.rnn.us; sbotcher@ cLchanhassen.mn.us; thoffman @ci.chanhassen.mn.us; jlash @ priorlake- savage.k12.mn.us; BergF@chaska.kl 2.mn.us; Jim.Manders@fingerhut.com; Roderick. Franks@ co.hennepJn.mn.us; mhowe @ rwbsiird.com; dmoes @ analysts.corn; jkarlovich @ levander, com Roundhouse Renovation Project. Dear Neighbors: On ~onday evening, February 12th, the City Council voted to have the Parks and Recreation Com=mission review the Roundhouse Renovation Project for other options for financing and renovation. We received numerous suggestions from the public on'enlisting volunteer labor and initiating a fund raising effort. .. Our Parks and Recreation Director .(Todd Hoffman) and our dom~issione~s' ~re also interested in exploring alternatives. Based upon public input, we felt ~' that ~t'was in the best interest of the majori.ty of the residents who use the Roundhouse Park facilities to continue our diligence to arrive at the best conclusion for this project. The majority of the public comments received recently favored ~aintaining this landmark in its present location, however, at a more reasonable cost to the public. On !>ehalf of the city council I want to ~hank you for taking the time to share your opinions with us and to give some direction on how we might ~est reach some sort of a workable alternative that meets your needs and des&res. ~e ~ave requested that the Commission return'a recommendation to' the city council ~ir_hin the next 60 days, after soliciting more input from the public on ~he possibility of a volunteer effort. 5 hope all of you will continue ~o participate in the process, we appreciate 7our time and commitment to the community. Ail previous correspondence received on this project has been forwarded to the Parks & Recreation Director and Commissioners for their review. stay in touch, Linda Jansen Mayor cc: City Council members City Manager Parks & Recreation Director Parks & Recreation Commissioners H;ffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: LC Jansen2 @ aol.com Friday, February 09, 2001 2:46 PM sbotcher@ ci.chanhassen.mn, us; thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us jlash@ priorlake-savage.k12.mn.us; BergF@ chaska.k12.mn.us; Jim.Manders@fingerhut.com; Roderick. Franks@co.hennepin.mn.us; mhowe@rwbaird.com; dmoes@ analysts.com; jkarlovich @ levander.com; m kroskin @ ci.chanhassen.m ri.us Fwd: Roundhouse , . Th~s is the letter that ran in the Villager this week. There are several questions and comments about the use of park and trail fees that I would appreciate having you answer on behalf of the city. I have responded to acknowledge our appreciation for the resident's con~ents and suggestions. Thank you, Linda Page 1 of 1 Hoffman, Todd From: GretaCarlg@aol.com Sent:. Monday, February' 05, 2001 3:02 PM To.' Labatt, Steve; Jansen, Linda; Ayotte, Robert; Peterson, Craig' Cc: editor @ chanvillager.com Subject: Roundhouse Mr. Labatt and Council, I am a taxpayer in the city ofchanhassen. Over the years I have seenmy taxes go up and up and up. For what?A library that we already have, a new park which we have plenty of and ofcourse to invite in business into Chanhassen with the agreement of waivingtheir taxes for a period of time. lrealize that times are changing and so is the community however, why is that wecontinue to destroy the historical value and sites in our city? ! would like to know when and if the Roundhouseis, tore down what will be put in its place and how much of my tax money wiligo towards building this new facility. When I bought my lot in Chanhassen, ! paid a fee of $1200.00 for parksand trails. I would surely think withthe tremendous amount of new neighborhoods going up all over Chanhassen thatthere would surely be enough money to take care of refinishing the roundhouseand then some. i would also like toknow if the park and trail fee paid by buyers is diwied up and an allottedamount of . money goes to each park in the community? And if not why? And, howwill you explain how the park got it's name if the Robndhouse is no Iongerthefe? On 1he other hand, will more ofmy tax money go to rename,'and buy a new sign for the park? The Roundhouse has been a landmark for L~keMinnewashta since the early fifties~ You cannot even begin to know how many people have asked me- about thatround thimble looking house and the story behind it. My family once lived in the roundhouse before moving into thehome my father built. I would like toask the council and the community to please preserve one of the only historicalsites left in Chanhassen. I also wouldlike the council to give the community the opportunity to donate their time andhelp to restoring the Roundhouse. Here's a thought ..... Eden Prairie hasseveral historical landmarks, one is a cabin on staring lake 1.hat the cityrents out for family reunions, and get togethers. It was rented out 172 times last year generating about $18,000.00in revenue. Considering the location ofthe roundhouse with the public beach across the street and the park behind itthe Roundhouse could pay for itself over a matter of five to ten years. What park in Chanhassen can say that it haspaid for itself? Thank you for yourear and your time. Tax Paying Citizen 690 CiO, Cemer Drh'e .PO £o.r I47 Cl.,,ml.,,u.~:~, Mi,;:e. cota 55317 95-.ga,.'.l gOD G,',cr, d t:,~.r 952.937'.5739 ]h.'i,~,4i,.f D,7,~m;,'c,t 952.934.252~ MEMOILa, NDUM' TO: FROM: I)ATE: Scott Botcher.. City' Manager ..: Todd Hoffman. Park and Recreation Director February 13. 2001 SUB J: Response to l:2:titoriui bi,' Greta .Xlai,'or Jansen asked that I respond to qucstioi:s raised it; N'[:;. Carlson's letter. Otwxt[ot: ] would like ;o l<:',.c:xv when and if':he .,ot~nc:,~v'...:.~= is torn down what will be put in its place and i:ow much tax mo::ev x,.'i~' ,: go toxvards- building this new lklcility? o 'Re.vpo;rvc: A variety '-"" ' ...,v. Ou.~ 000 ax'a:!..~t.: ~.c.. oi O?t!Oi'iS costin,, <':~' ~ ",n ....'5,300. nrc .. t]:o co:np.~unil'~' for r:~,,I '-;,,~, it. . ' _ t'<,,,=.,t,,ny lt.,.t in c'l:..:,:~hasse;~ ~ ,,o;d $i200 !b:' ,,,,4 and trails. I wOt:Id,',',-'o~:,t. lx':,hink. .... ',:.q,:.: .... ,.h/2 tre:.nelidou>;.' ...... l,odn: of new nci,,zhbo.,'!~c~ods aoin~ up all over C..'hanhnssen" _ ~ ,~ tn,,, ii:ere xx'ot~d surely be enc. ug]~ ',,'none', to take care o~ ~=,,~:~ishi'..~g tl'~e rot;~:dhouse and then ~'.':'.V;o,.: 'i'l',c '~'- __ ~, =st Lake M,i:me',vashta "-~;"~'r:orl,c. ed nas aerie, · ,: ') ;';,t} A.".r~ ' ' ' ,-.~ · ,2pproxin'~alcJ:, ..., ....... v,,, ~'.~ pr.-:rl~, and ,'oil dedication fees. "'!'o [,,'ix v.,--,---,-,,, i:': The park .... ' ' ..,,'~ ~,...~.,. ,.ora, apt3,' oxlrl'~atei.v $340.0()0. O__t,'cs:7on' I x,.ould also like ~.o k:~ox,,' il'tile pa:'k and trail fee paid by buyers is divvied up :"lild ari allotted amount of moire'.,' goes to each park in the comn~unity. A~d. if not. w16'? Rerponse' Park and trail fees are deposited into a single ?und. Allocations for investments in park and recrealion are made at the City' Council's discretion. The establishment of park and trail fund districts would restrict the ability to manage these services in the best interests of all citizens. In the case of Roundhouse Park, districting would leave Roundhouse Park approximately $90,000 in the red. Ottestlon: How ,,,,'ill you explain how the park got its name if the roundhouse is no longer there? RestwHse: Many places are named after "things" that are no longer present. I£desired, an interpretive plaque could be placed at the location of the roundhouse. Greta Carlson 2/14/2001 Page 2 Ottestion: On the other hand, will more of my tax money go to rename and buy a new sign for the park? Response: A new park sign could be constructed and installed for less than $500. City Council Park and Recreation Commission Greta Carlson (i: p-':rk Ill' ~c:irlso~lrcsponsc Hoffman, Todd ~=rom: Sent: 3'0.' Cc: Subject: LC Jansen2 @ aol.com Friday, February 09, 2001 4:08 PM bayotte@ci.chanhassen.mn.us; mkroskin @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; slabatt@ci.chanhassen.mn.us; cpeterson @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us sbotcher@ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; jlash @ priorlake- savage.k12.mn.us; BergF@chaska.k12.mn.us; Jim.Manders@fingerhut.com; Roderick. Franks@co.hennepin.mn.us; mhowe@rwbaird.com; dmoes@analysts.com; jkarlovich @ levander.com Malinowski/Roundhouse Renovation ;. The following is a recap of a phone conversation I had on 2/9 with Mark Malinowski who called to comment on the Roundhouse renovation: They have lived on Minnewashta Parkway for 13 years. His first reaction to the city refurbishing the structure was to think that it was a good idea. However, he thought $40,000 was outrageous. He thinks $123,00D is ZNSD~E. He voted for the park referendum and hopes that we did a better job of'spending those funds then this project would. · , ~e would ~ = p_e~er to see a ne'..; ~avilion, picnic tables, etc. Something ~ore usable. He suggested havino_ a commemorative plaque to ma~-~ ~. nhe history the park name. ~: %e thinks i5 is tke "novelty" versus the history that has attracted people to %his building. Thanks, Linda Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Subject: Morgan, Sue[smorgan@musicland.com] Friday, Februa~ 02,2001 3:47 PM Jansen, Linda Roundhouse ~ello Linda, I am responding to the article in the Chan paper about renovating the Roundhouse in the Minnewashta area. -. I was interested in the article, that you were concerned the cost of the renovation would exceed the use the building would receive. I remember one of your c~mpaign promises was to achieve a balance between preservation and deveSopment. It seems as though, as a true politician now, that ~reserving r_h~ bottom line is your main focus. Chanhassen has very little to show of its history. A depot-house, a church or school building, all of which have been~moved and "staged" in one area of to~ ..... some history. . . ~ - . . It's important to preserVe some history of this area,' not just tear it do%'~.. ~ Preservation com~s at..'a price, but So does d~ve!opment.. Let's balance.. the books and invest in a little history. The ~ - ~ ~o~we- the city delays on this · project, the more expensive it is 9oin9 to be. Chanhassen city council micro ~anaues everything and takes forever to get anything accomplished. Why not Dreak the project iJto a committee, with a budget, and let the committee, working with the Park Commission come up with a plan to make the project work with the budget its given? ~ays to reduce cost: 1.) Pu~ the renovations up for bid. Why is the city using only one source for cost? Seems like it should be city policy to get 3 bids on all ~rojects in order to get competitive costs. 2.) Seems a few years ago when the park was being planned, that there l~?as an architect that lived in the neighborhood. She said she was interested in getting involved in the project. Perhaps there are neighbors who have skills to help with the project. 3.) Work in stages: Exterior this year. Interior next year. 4.) If there are other building projects going on in the city, why not piggyback demolition costs, material costs, any like costs, with other projects? Perhaps labor and materials can be purchased in bulk, rather than on a project-by-project basis. 5.) Investigate educational institutions to take it on as a project. ~ennepin Technical schools may be interested. Perhaps a TV show like "This Old House" or "Home Time"(which is local), would be interested in it. Linda, it's time for the City to start thinking outside the box ..... you made Dromises ..... let's see you keep them. Susan E. Morgan (I live across from Roundhouse park) 4031 Kings Road Excelsior, MN 55331 474-7362 931-B198 smor~an~musicland.com Hoffman, Todd l:rOrrl: Sent: To: Cc: Sub]ect~ LCJ ansen2 @ aol.com Saturday, January 27, 2001-8:32 AM DaveYSTF@ aol.com slabatt @ ci.chanhassen.rnn.us; bayotte @ ci.chanhassen.rn n. us; cpeterson @ ci. chanhassen.rnn.us; sbotcher @ ci.chanhassen.rnn.us; thoffman@ci.chanhassen.mn.us; jlash@priorlake-savage.k12.rnn.us; BergF @ chaska.kl 2.mn.us; Jim.Manders @ fingerhut.corn; Roderick. Franks@co.hennepin.mn.us; rnhowe@rwbaird.corn; dmoes@analysts.corn; jkarlovich @ levander.com Re: two subjects: roundhouse and council selection ' Dave and Bobble, Th~n~ you for providing us with your insight and opinions on the roundhouse renovation. I will also forward your comments on to I4r. Botcher, Mr. ~offman and r_he Park and Recreation ComMission. I thought you might find the following information of interest. Prior to our council meeting, I inquired of Mr. Hoffman what the cost would be for constructing a ne~ facility. ~ Cost for a new shelter.without bathrooms. Open air $25,000 - $50,000. Closed without bathrooms $75,000 - $!50,000... Closed with b~throoms $150,000 - $250,000. You make an ir..neresting suggestion about constructing a round facility.- Councilman Ayotte h~s inquired.about the maintenance costs. At this time I do not have that information to share with you. Thank you for bringing tha~ u~ as an issue for our consideration. Again, on behalf of the council, co~mission and staff, thank you for taking the time to share your opinion with us. %'11 be in touch, Lin~a Hoffman, Todd Sent: To: Cc: Subject: LC Jansen2 @ aol.com Friday, January 26, 2001 2:44 PM rayottel @ci.chanhassen.mn.us; slabatt@ci.chanhassen.mn.us; cpete rson @ ci.chanh assen.m n. us sbotcher @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; jlash @ priorlake- savage.k12.mn.us; BergF@chaska.kl 2.mn.us; Jim. Manders @ fingerhut.com; Roderick. Franks@co.hennepin.mn.us; mhowe @ rwbaird.com; dmoes@ analysts.corn; jkarlovich @ levander, com Roundhouse Renovation .. The following is a recap of a phone conversation I had on 1/25/01 with ¥icki 3tnderson who called to comment on the Roundhouse renovation: She and her young children bike or walk to the park on a fairly regular basis. She feels that the roundhouse should not be refurbished but that it needs to be r~moved because it has become an eyesore and a safety issue. Little kids are climbing around it trying tQ look in and could hurt themselves. She fearful at times that someone might actually be in the house, though ~e has ' · no reason to believe anyone is. .. . .' . She was aware of the $40,000 plan and thought 'it was too' much to spend. Her children had a wonderful e:.:perience in the su%=mer ~ ~ ~'4 _ec_e~on program at the park. The only do%,m ~ide was that there was no shelter to retreat to %.~hen &t rained. She favors adding a covered pavilion with picnic tables. S"he doesn't feel enough people use the park to justify the cost. ~The residents that she has met at the park are those folks she knows live ~.~ithin a mile or so of the park or along the parkway. People only seem to come from further away if they are using the fishing pier. She thought this project would make more sense if it were in the center of ~o%~ where more people could enjoy it. Given the choice, her priorities would be: ¢1 ~ore play ground equipment. ¢2 Pavilion. Except for the last con%ment, all of the above con~ments were unsolicited. Thanks. Linda Hoffman, Todd From~ Sent= To: Subject: AMYDSTiCK@ aol.com Friday, January 26, 2001 6:52 PM Jansen, Linda; Labatt, Steve; Ayotte, Robert; Peterson, Craig Roundhouse Park - Yes Wodh Saving! Please consider this a strong yes vote for refurbishing Roundhouse Park. The history is good, the need for a serviceable building is very strong (the porta Dotty and trailer are not so great) we need bathrooms adjacent to the swimming beach and fishing pier as well as when we use the park itself. It nas so much more character than a new cement block unit wood have. Please proceed and get this done. Thanks. Ron and ~_my Dvorak 4061 White Oak Lane 952-470-7991 o . Hoffman, Todd ~rorn: Sent: -ro: Subject: JoAnn [joannh @visi.com] Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:36 PM Jansen, Linda Roundhouse Dear Mayor Jansen, Please consider some kind of restoration on the Minnew~shta Parkway Roundhouse. How many Roundhouses have you seen in your lifetime? This is a unique structure with an interesting history that shoul'd stay there! It certainly doesn't take uD much space on the 8 acres. Think of old residents that know it, and think of the kids that will probably never see another one. The cost of restoration does put a damper on the project, but couldn't there be some kind of Benefit or donation program devised so help with the cost? Also, I know there would be many volunteers to do menial labor, especially in the vicinity of the ~ructure. Please pass this letter on to your council members. ?hanks for any consideration. Sincerely, JoAnn Haligren 3921 I~aple Shores Drive Chanhassen, l.~ 55331 952-470-8805' Page 1 of 1 Hoffman, Todd ....... From: Peter Moe [PETEM@arboretum.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:04 PM Io: Ayotte, Robert; Peterson, Craig; Jansen, Linda; Labatt, Steve Subject: Round House Repair Dear Chanhassen City Council, · I have lived at 7161 Minnewashta Parkway for 22 years and hax;e been involved with the planning and development of Roundhouse Park since the city purchased the land. My family and I use the park heavily year-around and think it is a major asset to the west side of Chanhassen. I have followed the Roundhouse discussions closely and have spoken at least one punic hearing. I am against spending lots of money to repair a building that won't make a very good warming house or park shelter. I work at the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum and know how much time and money can be spent on old buildings that were not ,,,,,ell designed or maintained. I think the smartest thing to do is go ahead and build a ne'.'.' building with low maintenance exteriors, accessible restrooms and designed to meet the needs of the residents and Park and Rec. staff. Alternatively, I think the money could be sPent on other park improvements. My whole-family plays tennis and we sometimes need to drive our bikes to 2 parks in Shorewood or Victoria to find a_ flee court. I would also like to see the fishing pier extended} moretrees Planted,. and installatim~ of _ . fi~epre-school playground equipment. . -"_ .. - " ~ '- -. I knox,,' some people have strong emotional attachments to tlw round h°use but I don't think -- · repairing it is a o_.ood use of taxi)a3 ers money. Sincerely, Pete]' C. Moe 7161 Minnewashta Parkway Excelsior, MN 5533 i (952) 474-2236 h. (952) 443-1408 w. Page 1 of 1 Hoffman, Todd . From: Steven Hachtman [shachtman@dellnet.com] Seat: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:19 PM To: Jansen, Linda; Labatt, Steve; Ayotte, Robert; Peterson, Craig Subject: restoration of roundhouse at roundhouse park° Dear Council Members, .. I am in favor of restoring the roundhouse. There is so little character in many of the modern concrete design. This structure is unique and offers a flavor of our agricultural heritage in MN. Regarding costs: Perhaps you might consider enlisting the assistance of a volunteer brigade ~}f a sort similar to those that restored the Minehaha steamer. If the town could do any major structure work and perhaps the roof, ! am confident that a volunteer team could be organized in our town. There are a willing army of ' volunteers such as park neighbors, retirees, school shop classes, boy scouts, etc that could, with correct supervision, provide a quality job that would engender pride and a sense of ownership in our townspeople. As a neighbor to the park who has chatted about this with a number ol my neighbors this idea has had some favorable reception. ! suggest some thinking outside of the box regarding this project. With a little creative effort ahd thinking this unique structure could become a winning object of community participation and pride for Chanhassen. respectfully, Steve Hachtman 6984 Country oaks R~ad Chanhassen, MN 55331 952-474-0344 Hoffman, Todd 1:rom: Sent: To; Subject: LCJansen2@aol.com Monday, January 22, 2001 8:49 AM thoffman @ ci.chanhassen.mn.us; sbotcher@ ci.chanhassen.mn.us Roundhouse Park Pavilion. Could 7o~ provide me with a little bit more background information on the ~rocess that led up to the city deciding to invest a significant amount of money ~nto renovating this structure? It's my understanding that this Part of the Park and Trail Referendum discussion. - ~ere there neighborhood meetings held to discuss this structure wiuh residents that use Roundhouse Park? Do you still have the feedback infomunation from those meetings? - Are %,:e currently providing a temporary warming house at this site? ;'~hat is the annual cost to the city for that service? · . - ~ I correctly reading'that there will be'~no lavatories in the ~enova~ed ~ structure? Does the temporary .'~ _ _ %..~ ..... ng h6use include lavatories? ¥~at ~s the cost of a new pavilion? .With or without lavatories. [1! for now, ~inda ,Hoffman, Todd From:. Sent: To:. Cc'. Subject: Botcher, Scott Monday, January 22, 2001 1:32 PM Hoffman, Todd City Council; Dejong, Bruce FW: Round House Pavilion Scott ..... Original Message ..... Prom: Ayotte, Robert L Mr. (88ENGR) ~mailto:Robert.Ayotte~usarc-emh2.army.mil] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:49 To: Scott Botcher Subject: FW: Round House Pavilion Sor~ > ..... Original Idessage ..... > F~om: Ayotte, Robert L I4r. (88ENGR) > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:25 ~.~ > To: Ayotte, Robert L ~4r. (88ENGR) > Subject: Round House Pavilion -- . > In my-view, the P&R Commission should noU b~.. invo!ved"~n discussin9 the '. > mechsnism that is to be used or the budget aiiocation required for the > renovation of a structure. > In my vie%C, the question is whether or not there is a'need, either based > on the comp plan, or on some sort of survey, that the pavilion has to > renovated. > ~ITH RESPECT TO WHERE WE ARE IN TE~S OF BUDGET, IF THERE IS A SLIGHTEST > IMPLICATION THAT THIS WILL INCREASE OUR TAX STRESS ON THE COMITY, THEN > I WANT COMPI,~TE UNEQUIVOCAL JUSTIFICATION THAT RENOVATION IS REQUIRED. > ONCE Z HAVE ~¥ CONSCIENCE CLEARED ON THAT, THEN I WILL ASK STAFF TO FIGURE > OUT ~0~ ZT CAN HAPPEN, WITHOUT TOUCHING THE TAXES. > A few more questions: > Any structural issues? > How old is the Pavilion? > Is ~t an Historical site? > H~s %he State Historical Officer been contacted to assure we do not > afoul of ~, EPA constraints? > Has ~he Architect considered other options, encapsulate vso abatement of > the 8sbestos? > Since there is asbestos, there is a public Safety issue./ Has anything > been done to keep children out of the structure? > Is there not an ordinance, or ~ e~¢h,,~ ~ ........... Paul A. & Florence K. Bailly 4510 West ~Road ~. ~_~/~ ] Denver, Co~6~ ado 80219-5623 P~ie: (303) 934-4233 RECEIVED llPR 0 8 ?-001 cra, o~: cs,~,~ ss~ 3. Enlist a Neighborhood Volunteer Brigade Estimated Cost: $50,000 or less One or more residents willing to manage the project would need to come forward at the neighborhood meeting. This manager would then enlist other neighborhood residents to participate in the project. Their varied talents and trades, in combination with some sub- contractor work, would be organized to produce a renovated Roundhouse. To comply with state bidding laws, the manager Could invest up to $50,000 in cash in the project. Positives: High level of neighborhood control over outcome, feeling of neighborhood ownership, structure issaved and renovated into a usable summer and winter shelter. Negatives: City "control" over final product is minimized. ,~a~Vurk wi~h a Local Contractor -'~ Estimated Cost: $50,000 At the time the Roundhouse project was initiated, state bidding laws required an,Y. public- project over $25,000 be competitively bid. To accomplish this, a set of construction,, .... plans and specifications was required. The city hired Locus Architecture tO pre,p.ar,e th.ese documents. Subsequently, the architect hired an engineer to study the structural integrity of the building. The outcome' of this process--a thick and relatively complicated set of plans and Specifications--frightened off local contractors. Ah, the beauty of public bidding laws that are intended to save money! - .. . Since that time, the upper limit for investing in city projects without a pUblic bid has been raised to $50,000. This new law allows the city to solicit quotations up to $50,000 from local contractors for fixing up the Roundhouse. In an effort to stretch this budget amount, neighborhood volunteers could perform some or all of the demolition work prior to the contractor coming on board. Positives' Reasonable cost, neighborhood involvement in the project, Roundhouse structure would remain, could be used for a summer and winter park shelter, and improved appearance. ' . / Negatives: The "finish" of the final product would be compromised due to budget constraints, the possibility that the money may run out prior to completion, and // ~x__~derable neighborhood and city labor required. - Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Subject: Patpat 1988 @ aol.com Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:50 PM thoffman @ ci.chanhasses.mn.us roundhouse Todd, I would like to voice my opinion on the renovation of the roundhouse . We feel that it would be best if the roundhouse was torn down and nothing be put in its place. We would like to see more equipment put in the park for the kids to play on. I am a part-time worker with 2 children ages 4 and 1 so we use the park alot in the summer and throughout the year when the weather permits. There have been many times that we have gone there and there are not enough swings for the young kids. There are only 2 baby swings and 2 for the bigger kids. I think the money that is available for the park could be better spent on more swings and another play structure. I don't want to see a park shelter put there becaUse I think it would not be used as much as more equipment for the children would be, which is what the park is really for is it not? We hope the city would not pu~ our money into a useless structure ..... Pat and Patty ~auth Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Subject: Lisa Ehlers [LEhlers@tn-law. com] Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:08 AM 'thoffm an @ ci.chanhassen.m n. us' Roundhouse Park We are unable to attend tonight's meeting about what to do with renovating the Roundhouse. We would like to see it demolished but, if ~we have to pick one of the four options, it would be option number two. We would really like to see the City take the money for the park pavilion and invest it in additional playground equipment. We are not sure the park shelter would really get used as much as the City thinks it would. Also if the plan gets approved and the Roundhouse is renovated, there is no guarantee that it won't be spray painted like it is now and I don't want to see my tax money going to renovate the Roundhouse only for it to end up the way it looks now. You can't patrol it at all times to make sure something doesn't happen to it. I don't think the Roundhouse really has any significant sentimental or historical benefit to many of the residents. I believe we should use our taxes for something that will benefit many people and i believe the kids would have more fun with new playground equipment. The playground is Well used and there is plenty of room tO expand with new additional equipment. It's hard for all. the kids to play on ~ one piece of equipment when other kids are chasing each other. Kids are pushed over and, by installing additional equipment, it would mean the kids would have more than one place to play. The kids have to wait in line for the swings and, for as many families that live in the area and use the park, the playground equipment isn't adequate. I hope the City does the right thing and gives back to the community in the form of additional playground equipment for the kids. I don't believe the kids are going to enjoy the park pavilion as much as they would additional swings and slides. Steve and Lisa Ehlers 6741 Country Oaks Road Chanhassen (952-401-9545) Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Subject: Richard E. Belled [rebeller@mindspring.com] Friday, April 06, 2001 4:49 PM Todd Hoffman Roundhouse Renovation Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director Chanhassen City Hall Dear Sir; Received your letter dated March 29, 2001 regarding the proposed Roundhouse Renovation project, and invitation to respond by e-mail, if we wish. To spend up to $183,000 plus, the amount of money that has been bid on the renovation of this building in my opinion, is a foolish expenditure of · taxpayer money. The expense will not stop with the renovation itself, but will be ongoing over time, a questionable asset for the city, and it's citizens. Why is there a need for'a "Warming House" at this'park? So far as I know _ there are no plans for a Hockey Rink at his location. Even so, it has been my observation that those type of facilities are generally "underused", at a great deal of expense to taxpayers. AdditionAlly, this ~ould attract those who would meet there, for purposes of illicit activity, as it is a location that would have minimal Police attention. As to the comment of "preserving a local landmark". There comes a time and a place where common sense should, and must prevail. If there are individuals who are so set on preserving this building for that purpose only, then they should raise the funding on a private basis, with those who are concerned about that. The proposed "Post and Slab" Park Shelter is probably the best and most sensible solution to this matter. It would be used by picnic goers, or those using the beach area, or to provide a shady area for Park users. Best Wishes, Rich & Betty Bellert 6641 Maple Rd. Chanhassen, MN 55331 ~P~ 1 J. ?.001 when ~> there is friable asbestos in an abandoned structure? > How can we entertain, or even mention demolition without first determining > if we are authorized to do so? > Has there been any consideration to land exchange options to generate > revenue? Hoffman, Todd From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Botcher, Scott Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:24 PM City Council Dejong, Bruce; Hoffman, Todd Roundhouse Park Good afternoon. 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VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None. ROUNDHOUSE PARK, RESIDENT MEETING. Hoffman: I'll just give a brief update. Plenty of information has been going about via the mail and just a little background that was again presented in the letter. City Council did not feel comfortable awarding the project at a cost of approximately $125,000. They instructed the Park and Recreation Commission to conduct a neighborhood meeting. Discuss with the residents the changing issues or the increasing costs. The changing costs regarding the project and talk about whether or not the neighborhood felt that was a good investment in their neighborhood park, and then to investigate some options. Those were mailed out to the residents and then we received approximately 20 some pieces of correspondence since then. -There's additional ones I have to pass out to you this evening, and for the audience I'm also making J copies of all the correspondence that we've received t0 date~ It'd be fair to say that the strong majority of the correspondence has pointed towards a desire to demolish the round house as it presently stands and either build a separate post and slab shelter or do something else with the money. There are some that are in favor of renovating the round house but they're in the minority. So I'm eager to hear from those present here this evening and then to discuss with the commission and audience the issue of whether the round house should stay or not stay. For those of you who don't know, the night, I think the barn was burning and the commission visited the Roundhouse Park land that evening and the round house was to be burned the next day and they came back and said, let's talk about that. And that was a split vote that evening to save the round house at that time. An attempt to preserve it as both a landmark so, it would have been long gone but there was a desire to save it at that time and I think there still is some of that desire remaining so, that's all I have to add and I'd like to get started hearing from the residents. Lash: Okay. Is there anyone on the commission first who has a question for Todd before we open it up? Franks: Todd, I'm just wondering, do you have some of the graphics from what the completed restoration would have looked like? Hoffman: Sure do. Bring those down. Franks: Because I'm not so sure that any of the people, or most of the people have any sense of what the architects were considering. Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Hoffman: Okay. Commissioner Franks, I don't see the plans set right here. I'll have to go upstairs and get that. Go ahead and start. Lash: Okay. Anyone else with a question for Todd before he goes to get the plan? Okay. Okay, when we open this up for public comment, the thing that we request of you is that you come forward to the podium. State your name and address so we have that for the record. So who's interested in speaking? Go ahead. Nancy Simpson: Good evening. My name is Nancy Simpson. My address is 3980 Country Oaks Drive. I'm just a couple, 3 blocks from the round house, and I've lived at that location for 10 years. I also grew up in this area. Went to St. Hubert's school so I do have some heritage and historic roots in this community. But I would like to give you roughly 6 reasons why I would like to support the demolition of the round house. I also have no children so I look at this park not exclusively for my benefit but for after knowing several of my neighbors and having been in that area for 10 years, and having some insights on what I perceive as the population there. Anyway, this is why, number 1. I would see our neighborhood as meant to be an area where most of the residents desire outside traffic. This is a local park. I think of a historical marker as being a nice thing to have but it's also meant to draw traffic. This is a little more isolated. Not terribly well lit. Not that highly patrolled. This is not a location that I think a historical monument, just based on the location, any kind of historical monument has any value. Now that particular historical monument, in my opinion is of no value. It's not a worthy landmark. Nothing interesting really happened there. It's not important to the current population. It's not important to me and I grew up here. It's not unique enough to warrant taking a limited budget and throwing that kind of money in that way when there's other needs that could be accomplished for the territory. Basically it is an eyesore and the one proposal that suggested minimal effort to make it look minimally presentable, because I drive by the thing every day, I conjure up still an image of an eyesore and I've been looking at that eyesore for quite a few years now. The next item is the continued liability concerns me for a couple of reasons. There's future cost uncertainty to the continued liability"of an old building where we've already determined that there's asbestos and lead painl~. It concerns me that there might be future financial uncertainty to that. I also am concerned about, as the kids in our area get to be a certain age, it's certainly appropriate that they go to this park, either unattended or maybe with older kids, but they're kind of unsupervised by adults. I'm concerned about the attractive nuisance of a building that has questionable structural integrity no matter what we do to try to preserve it. I'm also, along the lines of attractive nuisances, I'm also a member of the homeowners association down by Minnewashta and my husband is on the Board of Directors and we already have continued problems with that area being an attractive nuisance to teenagers, and most of the local residents don't even wish teenagers to be down there and smoking whatever they smoke and throwing firecrackers and that kind of stuff. I just see this as another attractive nuisance in an area that's once again not extremely overly lit or highly patrolled. So anyway I think that's the end of it. Sorry to going on a little longer, but those are my reasons for recommending the demolition and using the money for what I think to be a more feature that would attend to the needs of the kids in the area. Thank you. Lash: Thanks Nancy. Anyone else wishing to address the commission? Janet Carlson: My name is Janet Carlson and I live on Kings Road. I would like to see it kept. We just, I don't know, we just keep getting rid of older buildings and more and more and more and pretty soon it's just going to be little Edina. We just have to, I don't know why nobody wants to keep any of the old buildings. I have a very special place for that. I lived in that house and I think it's wonderful. I would like to see it refurbished or whatever. Kept. Would it ever be used like for family picnics or anything? What is, you know I guess that's what are the plans are going to be used for. Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Lash: Well we have a couple of different ideas. One, in the winter it could be used for a warming house. And in the summer we hoped that it could be used, at a minimum, the plan was that it could be used to, for the summer programming that goes on out there for the children, that they need to be indoors or for keeping the supplies and some of those kind of things. Janet Carlson: I think this would be absolutely great for it. And it's just, I have a lot of friends and my girls have worked out in different places and when they come out, the first thing they said, what a neat deal that place is and everybody asks about the round house and I think it"s just something that I would like to see kept in the neighborhood. I hate to see it get tore down or maybe I'm getting old where I like to have old stuff. Lash: So Janet, would you be supportive of the complete renovation? Janet Carlson: I think so, yes. I would. Thank you. Lash: Okay, anyone else in the audience? Deanna Bunkelman: Hi, I'm Deanna Bunkelman. I live at 4191 Red Oak Lane. Have been in the neighborhood for about 2 ½ years. I lived in Eden Prairie prior to that for about 10 years and just wanted to get out a little further west. And 3 things that I really wanted to state. I'm definitely in favor of keeping the round house. I think it's unfortunate that we're having the meeting tonight. It's actually spring break so half of our neighborhood is actually gone and I think that is part of the reason for the bad turn out. And the other thing is we have talked to several neighbors in the neighborhood and several of them are willing to volunteer to help out if need be. We obviously wouldn't take the one option which I think said that we would manage it and therefore invest $50,000. Definitely not that option. But they're definitely willing to put labor and do what they can do to help preserve the round house. And then I guess I didn't realize this until I read it in the paper bug I'm under the understanding that the walk bridge that was built over Highway 5 cost $750,000. And when I look at that and the use of that, to me this is just a drop in the bucket. For something that is going to be widely used by the neighborhood. I don't know if it's going to attract that many outside people that it's really going to increase the traffic, but I have 2 little kids and we just have so many kids in the neighborhood and I just think it's going to be a great thing for them to utilize. Not only as a warming house during the winter, but also for the activities. They're involved in the summer activities down there and I know when it rains they have to cancel and I don't know that the round house would be big enough to do that but I just think it's unique. I think we can make it structurally sound so that we don't have to worry about vandals. I think some of the concerns that were presented as far as lighting and things like that, that's going to be a concern whether the round house is there or not. And those are issues that we probably have to address beyond the round house. I don't know that some of that is associated with the round house. So I guess I'm in complete favor of keeping it. I just think it's kind of fun history. I've run into people when I'm down at the beach and they tell me all sorts of stories about the land around there and the round house so I think there's a lot of history that people just aren't aware of, and I think we could actually have some fun activities around that where we could plan activities and have people go down and listen to the stories and the history with the resort that used to be there and just all sorts of stuff so I'm in favor. Lash: Of complete renovation? Deanna Bunkelman: Um, well complete renovation I think would be the best. Now I know I was here at the public meeting that was probably a little over a year ago and some of the things they wanted to do Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 sounded pretty fancy and I don't know that we need to get that fancy because I know they were going to vault it up and do all sorts of stuff and have a copper roof and, you know and so I guess when you say complete renovation, I think we have to really look at what you mean by that and potentially scale down because I don't think you have to make it that fancy. It's really just renovating it to the point that it looks like a round house is supposed to look. It doesn't have to be extravagant. Lash: Okay. I think the vaulting of the roof I think, are you talking about the exterior. Deanna Bunkelman: They were talking about, yeah...putting in copper. Lash: I think structurally that has to happen. No, that's not copper. Deanna Bunkelman: Okay, that's all. Lash: Thanks Deanna. Franks: Do you have that picture Todd? Hoffman: This is one of the models that Locus Architects presented. And just a schematic of the potential clear story, lighting in through the eave, under the eave and then the enclosed structure. And then the building as they exist today of course. Everybody recognizes that. The plan that was eventually agreed upon was not that elaborate. It did include the glazing around the ring of the round house, just underneath the eave to allow for lighting into the structure. Locus estimated high on the bidding of about $81,000 but that was not to be the case. The reality was that their estimate was low in the bidding climate, in today's construction world is elevated and continues to go up at 10 to 12% per year for these types of projects'so we, the city attempted to bid it twice to bring the cost in line and a second time we bid it I think those costs were real based on the plans and specifications that were presented in the contract. Berg: Todd, can you talk about what the outside would look like because we talked about not painting the outside if you recall. Hoffman: The commission recommended that the council strip the exterior of the building, of the paint and then clear seal it so it would be a redwood finish with a clear seal on it so it'd have a much more natural appearance than if it was preserved and renovated. Lash: Because the siding is, what's the siding made out again? Franks: Some old growth Douglas fir. Hoffman: I'll check. Yeah, that sounds right. Lash: What was explained to us by the gentleman that did the plan is that the exterior siding is some type of wood that's quite rare and that it would be very attractive if the paint was removed and clear coated, which also would have a longer preservation and it wouldn't need the maintenance of painting. So that was one of the reasons why we thought that might be a good idea. And then when he's talking about the glazing, I don't know about you but I didn't know when they first explained that what that meant. It means a row of windows right around the top. And then the cone roof needs to be put on for structure and for drainage. So the other windows would be gone, that's my understanding, isn't it? Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Hoffman: No, they would stay. Lash: The other windows are still there? Okay, but then the row around the top and then there's kind of an overhang thing over the door, just to make kind of an entrance and also to protect it from ice and those kind of things. Audience: Could the structure be bought unless...picnic spot or? Lash: I think if it was for something like that, it'd have to be on reservation basis. Like any other shelter. Hoffman: The report identifies that the stays in the round house building, most likely Douglas fir. And must of the materials were grain, lumber from old growth forests, and so that's what the lumber is. Lash: Okay. Anyone else in the audience wishing to. Terry Nicholson: I'm Terry Nicholson. I live at 6971 Country Oaks Road. I have a beautiful view of the structure, 24 hours a day. I have two concerns. One is vandalism. I see a lot of things that happen in the park because my children are down there a lot and I also see a lot from my windows. With a good set of binoculars you can really see a lot. And I have witnessed kids smoking things that smell funny in that area. I've witnessed kids trying to kick down in the door just to get inside. They're down there with crowbars trying to get in. I don't know if that same problem would exist with a new painted structure or not, but I would suspect that it would so I see it more as the attractive nuisance. I do understand the significance of having a historical landmark and something unique. It would be nice if in some way we could preserve, if we put a posted inside thing, maybe it could be left. If there was some other way that we could preserve some history, that would be nice but I personallydon't see the full renovation as being a good investment of park money. Our children could'use some more equipment. Maybe make that a round house park equipment thing that looks like the round house but it's just a bunch of slides. That's my two cents. Lash: Okay, thanks Terry. Ron Morgan: My name's Ron Morgan. I live on White Oak Lane... I guess I'm in favor of restoring the structure. I think parks attract kids. I think if you had a little shelter there, you'd have the kids smoking pot and vandalizing things. I don't think it's this building that's attracts vandalism. I think public spaces do. This structure, you know everything out there is new. Well I shouldn't say, there are some older houses there but a lot of the houses out there are real new or whatever. At least it's something that has a little character or whatever. If the structure, or the outside of it was cleaned off and restored, I have a cedar house. I don't have the maintenance free siding. I like the wood I think is beautiful so I would love to see the exterior, I think it would be much, much nicer than the... If you're out to save money, then those shelters as far as I'm concerned, they're not much. Just knock it down and put anything up. I mean there's your ultimate savings so, you know and I don't know. I guess we all paid a lot of taxes out there too and to feel like we can get something on our end of town like the rest of the people in the rest of the town feel, so I would be much more in favor of, in fact I'd do the complete renovation or Option 2 I think it was where you get someone to do it for $50,000. Whatever you can do to keep it up I think would be wonderful. Lash: Okay, thanks Ron. / Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Craig Anderson: Hi, I'm Craig Anderson. I live at 7507 77th Street. Been in the neighborhood for longer than the park has been there. That building has been there as long as I can remember. It's as ugly as the day it was, I first got there. It is getting worst. I'm in favor of demolishing it and putting up what we call a shelter. If we left that building up and we locked the doors, it's really not a shelter. It's just a locked building again, subject to all the problems it's already been having. Ton of maintenance. I'd suggest we tear it down and build a post and slab park shelter. Thank you. Lash: Okay, thanks Craig. Linda Scott: I'm Linda Scott. I live at 4031 Kings Road. I'm just across the road from the park. I've owned my land since 1985 and I've lived in my house since 1990. When I first moved out there I thought that the round house was the quaintest little building I ever saw. I can't say that about it now but I'm still in favor of trying to bring that back. I think it's a landmark for our, not just our neighborhood but for our city. There's a lot of history behind it. I too have seen the vandals. Fortunately I'm protected by shrubs and trees so I don't see probably as much as you do. My binoculars can't see through the branches. One of the things we did was we named it the Roundhouse Park, and we have a budget for fixing up the round house and I'm in favor of doing that however we can. Whether it's the total rehab. If there's money for that. If not, I know I'm also willing to dedicate some labor. I think it was Option 4 that was having citizens do some demolition and then having a contractor take it from there. I know that I can easily tell people where to turn to get to my house by telling them to turn at the round house. They've all seen it and they know where it is. So I'm in favor of keeping it somehow. Thank you. Lash: Thanks Linda. Ann Osborne: My name is Ann Osborne. I live at 3815 Red Cedar Point, and have lived in that house for 29 years. I moved into it 3 months before my daughter was born~. It's a very favorite place. In fact tonight when I got home my daughter said you're not at the meeting. You've got to go to that meeting because to her the round house is very important. It's a very special place. I walk my dog every morning back and forth by it. It's the center of the neighborhood. We used to have Leech's Resort there that kind of was a central spot and now that's gone. A lot of people who've moved into the area don't have any sense of the history of the area. Or of the uniqueness. We have so many houses that look exactly alike. House after house. You can tell which builder has built in each area because they look exactly alike. This house, this building is unique. We used to love to just drive by it when there were buildings nearby. It was special. I would very much like to see us do something to preserve it. I certainly would be able to, would be willing to put in tearing down or whatever needs to be done in order to preserve it. My ultimate would be spending that $125,000 for that. I certainly think it's much better. I drive under that lovely bridge that goes across 5 that doesn't get used. I think I've seen many 6 people on it, and I work on the other side of the bridge and I go there every single day, back and forth, and it's not being used. But occasionally it's being used by some kids, but not very often. But this is very special. It's very, very unique and I was so delighted, there's a gentleman that used to walk with me who passed away this last year and he'd pass me in the mornings at 5:00 in the morning and he'd be walking up and down Minnewashta Parkway. And his wife knew how special it was to him because there's a bench a short distance from that house and it was put there because that spot is very unique and special and she and the people that knew him thought it was special, that park was very special. It wasn't just common. It was a beautiful place to sit and look at the lake and a very wonderful spot. I hope that somehow we can convince the city to spend the money to do the $125,000. However I was at the meeting where they didn't look like they were interested in doing it, even with your motion that you had urged them to do it. So I think we may have to go to a cheaper route just to get to keep the house. I think the reason it's an Park and Recreation Commission- April 10, 2001 eyesore is that at the time the place wasn't burned down, nothing was done. The reason it's costing us so much to do this is nothing was done. If it had been attended to at the time and said okay, neighborhood what do you want to do with this? How much do you want to put your labor into it? I think you would have gotten people who live there to pitch in. I know my kids would come back and pitch in to help with it. They're all adults now but it's a very special place and I would hope that somehow we would manage a way to keep it going. I really don't want a post and slab. To me that just, that takes away from that very special spot. It's a very, I don't know, it's a cozy spot in my mind. It's always been a part of Lake Minnewashta and I hope that there is some way that we can save it. Thanks. Lash: Thanks Ann. Lori Kling: ...my husband won't be, he can't be here so. And I wanted to too. It's just... There a couple things I'd like to say. I am in favor of restoring it. Lash: Can you give us your name? Lori Kling: Oh I'm sorry, Lori Kling, 4169 Red Oak Lane. We moved into Chanhassen 2 years ago and we were so happy about moving here because you know, Chanhassen's keeping up with the modem things. The stores and everything but the beauty of it is that they...beautiful building. And it really, I think for what it's worth, I don't think $125,000 is that much when you think of what it can do for everybody. I recently, this last winter we went to a park that I grew up in and we went into the warming house in the winter and it just, so many memories came flooding back to me. The smell and just being there and I want that for my kids. And I appreciate the mobile home that you bring in in the winter. I really don't want to go over there. I think that is an eyesore. I just don't think that's appropriate. I mean I just don't think they can...mobile home. And a slab shelter is not going to provide any shelter in the winter either for the' warming house. When you're skating, those kids love to skate out there. It's good 'exercise. It's good for them. Nice to go and get something warmed; to be warmed up a little bit. And my daughter, I have to bring up a point. My daughter's 10. She wanted to bring up the point, and somebody did mention this. What are we going to call the park if they tear down the round house? She's just so sick about it. She wanted to come, but I mean really it was named after, the park was named after the round house for a reason and I think it is, it can be very unique and it is fun to tell people when they're getting to our house, look for the round house. It looks really old and it'd be great if it was restored and it looked nice. It doesn't have to be extravagant but something would be nice. I'm trying to think what else. Oh shelters. Yeah, shelters I don't think are very attractive. Actually I think slab shelters are not, I think they are an eyesore personally. I've never liked them. And they also get vandalized so, and I think actually that's about it. I just feel like Americans as a whole, have such a tendency to just tear down the old stuff and put up the new and it doesn't last as long and it's not as unique and it doesn't have any history but that's what we do and I just think this one little building, I just wish we could keep it. If nothing it brings a lot to the uniqueness to the area. Thank you. Lash: Okay, thanks Lori. Tom Lotto: Hi. My name's Tom Lotto. I'm at 6991 Country Oaks Road. I'm right next to Terry looking at it every day, but I think everybody that drives by it looks at it. I mean I just think it's, it's ugly right now but I've been in the architectural field for many years. Right now I'm renovating a bUilding that's, it was built in 1823 in Shorewood. Helping out a couple and we're running into a structural problem because really the house itself was basically, let's do this and do this and it tums out to be more so we have to go the bank and get more money. Okay. So I don't know if you guys are all in the construction field or whatever but you know, my feeling from an architectural point, I guess everybody's Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 giving their opinions here about the g's and a's and man I'd hate to be in the point of making a decision of which way to go because I don't know myself. I really don't know. It's directly in my back yard. She sees it in the winter time when there's no leaves on it. I might a little bit but still. Vandalism, may I agree with that because I call the cops down there but I bet you every other park where I grew up in Minnewashta Heights, we've had a lot of problems. So I mean basically we could probably use a few more law enforcement. But we only have 2 1 hear so this is what I hear from, but. I really don't know what to do. I was part of that playground put together with Todd and that came out pretty good. It was a neighborhood volunteer. We had some neighbors. You know it was a young group from the new neighbors and the old neighbors and we put it together one day. Just like what Todd had planned. I think that's a little different than lead base paint. Rotten roof. No door. I mean is there a header on it, you know? I mean is it going to last forever? Is it going to last for 20 years? I know Mrs. Carlson over here. I understand her history behind it because I was going down Minnewashta Parkway years ago and working at Leech's Resort and seeing that and the gravel roads and man I tell ya, I know it's, it was an object that was there. I never lived there but now after I found out about the history, it's kind of a neat deal. Structurally I would probably, if I know what I know, structurally is it capable of holding up to what our ideas are all about? I mean scraping paint off isn't structural. Putting a roof on is structural. That's gone so that's one-third of the building. You've got to put doors, windows. You've got to remove the paint. You've got to put something in there for kids to go the ice arena. My feeling is structurally, I'm going to tell you right now, if it isn't structurally sound, it's not going to be a safe place. I don't care if you've got kids smoking pot. You've got kids painting on it. If it falls down. Or we've got to put $200,000 into it or $125,000 into it, I tell ya, you're talking a lot of money for an old building. I'll tell you right now that's a lot of money to put into that building. So my feeling is, if it's structurally sound, you want to keep it. The ones that are wanting it there, then it's there. Then I think you probably do the neighborhood thing to get it upgraded. But if it's not structurally sound, you've got to get rid of it because I've got kids and I'm seeing kids every day. There's other things I'd like to see in the park done, but this was part of the program from day one and I've been there for 3-4 years and I'd like to see little kids with their playground'equipment. That was supposed to be corriing up. I believe the park' has kind of been a little unattended from the city and I'm not g6ing to hold it strictly to Todd, but I mean it has to be as a group effort here, public and the proof. Man, I'd like to see the playground equipment get done at the same time that's getting done with the little kids because if you've got the kids swimming over there, you've got the little biffy, that gets tipped over. The trash, that's a public thing we should pick up the trash no matter what. Just like the people with their dogs. They've got to pick up their whatever. I think the public has to be involved, but it's a hard decision and I know you guys are going to, it's going to be a hard one for you. And I think with everybody's ideas, I just think number one structurally it should be, has an engineer been in this thing? Tell me about the structure. Hoffman: The preliminary investigation and condition review was put together on July 20% 1999 by Locus Architecture. It's about a 7 page document. They hired an engineer to go through the structure and it's. Tom Lotto: It's sound? Hoffman: Oh sure. Yeah, there's not a crack in the foundation. Tom Lotto: See I didn't know that. Hoffman: Their one recommendation was that a series of metal plates be placed around the interior base of the structure to anchor it more securely from the concrete foundation to the wood flame structure itself. Right now it just more or less sits on the foundation. Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Tom Lotto: That color, that little model to me, you can't see the roof when we're on the ground. We're looking at it from a bird's eye view. Secondly, the model right there doesn't do us any justice. The way it's taken so I think if these people here see that model from a man level, eye level, I think they might get a different opinion of that. But also I don't think that looks like kind of like a diving board out there on the end of that. Lash: That's a canopy over the door. Tom Lotto: Architecturally, whoever is doing this, they've got to come up with a little bit better. Hoffman: The full architectural plans are here. Tom Lotto: But if people, the more I'm getting into this, because basically I've just been kind of going la, la, la, you know. And I'm on the comer. I'm the guy with the broom. You know I'm out there sweeping every day and I talk to everybody walking by, and I asked last night half a dozen people, and I'll be honest with you. I asked them, you going to the meeting? Well, I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to get rid of it but I'd like to keep it. No wonder why I get confused, I talk to my neighbors. It'd be a lot easier, if we put the money, ifI say, if everyone of them here, and I know pretty much every one. If we put the money in somebody else's pocket, if it was private money, would you remodel? That's the key. To me it means if it was my money, no way. I couldn't do it. I just could not see that. Even though I've been, I grew up for 30 years in Minnewashta Heights and I used to drive and work with Roy over there and I understand Mrs. Carlson lived there and I know there's been Bible classes in there. The house I grew in might get tore down in 2 years because they're going to move the highway. Man I feel bad but you know what, that's to take care of all the fast traffic and everything like that so, if. they want to get this thing done, I think the neighborhood should get it in concrete that they're going to help with the labor because sometimes they say things, and sometimes you don't follow through on what you say. And the ones that don't, then they've got to come up With something else. Maybe you've been a taxpayer for a long time. So has my dad. But I really have a hard time deciding which way to go here. I really do. Structurally, Todd answered the question. Architecturally, it could be dressed up a little better. Safety wise, I'm sure in today's society we can do a lot of safety and that is, the only way to get safety down there is lights. Lights and cops. Okay. And neighbors, you know. Do the crime watch thing you know. Everybody gets together. I think this, with Sergeant Potter with this neighborhood thing, if everybody follows that rule, because on Project Leadfoot we can kind of revert that to our neighbors to do that. Safety is a piece of cake because I see something, I get on the phone and call 911. Bango. You know take care of it. They're there within 15 minutes maybe. So I think safety there can be handled, but structurally, money, it's going to have to be labor. It's going to have to be a labor thing. I can't see spending $125,000 on a building and then keeping the siding on it and stuff like that because how much does a roof like that cost? Hoffman: About $20,000. Franks: You know Tom, do you mind if I just ask you a few questions because I'm trying to kind of feel you out for what your opinion... Tom Lotto: Yeah, I'm just trying to get this whole thing because I've been kind of. Franks: I'm looking at the engineer's summary and it's the one from July 20th '99 and they're not saying that there's, there were no evidence of serious deficiencies or deterioration that would make the adaptive Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 re-use unfeasible. So we've been working under the assumption that although there's needing to be some improvement to the structure, just as a part of any kind of restoration effort, structurally it's sound. And are you suggesting that although you can cook a perfect dinner from food bought at Byerly' s, that same food bought at Cub for half the price tastes just as good? I mean does that make a difference for you? You're talking like that 125 is a big number. Tom Lotto: Well the reason why I'm saying that is because $125,000, you've got people over here that want playground equipment. Franks: Right, but if you could get a solid adaptive re-use out of the building on a Cub Foods budget, does that. Tom Lotto: I think then that would pacify. Franks: What does that do for you? Tom Lotto: To me, I've been in the architectural field forever and a building looks good. If you're happy and you're happy and you're happy, I'm somehow or another, an architectural in my standpoint, I'm happy. From a taxpaying standpoint, $125,000 because ifI had to pay it out of my pocket, I wouldn't be happy. Franks: What about $50,000? One of the options in there was to. Tom Lotto: Then again too, what are we getting for $50,000? For structural usage versus $125,000 for structural usage, you know. I don't believe that. I don't believe you can put those two packages together without any neighborhood labor right now. Putting a roof on that, you're not going to get a neighbor, I don't think that's going to build a $20,000 roof like that and save 20:grand. I don't believe it. It's just too complicated to do that round thing. If you're a carpenter, no. You couldn't do that. Not as a laymen neighborhood, so basically the roof is kind of out of the question. For me. I can't see the neighbors. What part does the neighbors want to take forth in this thing? Is it, I mean you're not going to paint it so now you're removing the paint. You're going to shellac it I suppose. Is there going to be plumbing in it? Franks: No. Tom Lotto: Okay, to me you've got a beautiful beach. You've got a beautiful ice rink. You've got a beautiful park and you've got all these houses. Everybody's all around it, but no bathroom. You put a little port-a-potty in there, it tips over, you've still got to run home. I'm just talking normal talk here because these are the neighborhood. Franks: Plumbing with sanitary sewer would. Tom Lotto: Yeah, is there sewer in there? Audience: There has to be. There were people living in it. Tom Lotto: Is it useful? Audience: It's hooked up to the city sewer. 10 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Hoffman: No, it's not hooked up any longer. Audience: No, but it was. Hoffman: Yeah. There's certainly sewer and water available at the site but the costs again go up another. Tom Lotto: There was never nothing said about bathrooms and I believe bathrooms is a big issue. I mean it's to the point you've got, I'll tell you, I get up. I'm downtown anywhere between 6:00-6:30 in the morning, there's guys, women and men jogging, running their dogs, I mean it looks like a freeway. And if somebody had to go to the bathroom, it'd be kind of nice. But I don't think it's going to work because you can't leave a door open because they're going to get vandalized. So really is a bathroom for picnics? Franks: Well for example the bathrooms at the Lake Susan park shelter are open by reservation, when the shelter is reserved. Other than that I believe that they're locked. Tom Lotto: Okay, so is this thing going to be something to where you don't live around the area and you want to rent it out, you can rent it out? Franks: You mean as far as the city? Tom Lotto: Well like a family reunion. Franks: Well any person can reserve any of the park facilities in this city that are open for reservation. Tom Lotto: Okay. But if I want to go to Lake Ann, yeah I know. Franks: Now like the shelter at Power Hill, there's no reservation policy for those? Hoffman: No. Just in the community parks. Tom Lotto: Well if we're going to go the 9 yards here, make sure there's a bathroom. I mean I'm just saying you've got to put some kind of bathroom facility. The other thing, you know this ice skating rink thing, I'm just throwing all these things out at you because the ice skating is great. I see a lot more people were using it this year than any other year, and I think it's just starting to get more involvement. But in my eyes, when I go to the community center, they have a beautiful skating rink because my kids have been in there, and it's on one level. Okay. On this trailer, am I right Todd, you have to walk up steps to get into it. That's a safety issue. A little kid, 6 years old, got to go inside to warm up, take his skates, climb up the metal steps and into the trailer. That's a safety. But the community center over here has a rubber mat all the way, one level, straight in. There's a reason for the rubber. Safety I think. There's no rubber mat. Any playground equipment we had to have when you fall down, you have to have rubber. What's the difference? So this trailer thing that you drag in here, you've got a key for that I would imagine too, right? Hoffman: That's correct. ll Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Tom Lotto: And you're putting a light up there and you've got to pay an electrician for that...it costs money to do that. Put it out there permanently. Have it done. Spend the time to have it all ready for, and then have something on one flat basis. Lash: So Tom, can I try and summarize what you said. Are you in favor of Option 4? Tom Lotto: I don't even know what them options are. Lash: 4 is the $50,000 combination neighborhood and local contractor. $50,000 for renovation. Tom Lotto: I'd say, I think if you're going to get the neighbors, you're going to get some neighbors. I know that they're out there. I mean I'd be willing to do it too. It all depends on how much they all want to spend too. So I don't want to put my, everything on this 50 grand. Franks: Do you think that's worth exploring? Tom Lotto: Right, because number one. You're going to come into another point, oh no. We've got to spend a little more money here and then the ball drops and I hate to put that on park. Where are we going to get this money from? I can see it down the road. So I think we've got to get all that in order first before. Lash: So you'd be in favor of us exploring 4? Tom Lotto: Yes. Lash: Okay, thank you. · Tom Lotto: Definitely. There's lots more exploring tO do than meets the eye. Lash: Thanks Tom. Franks: Todd, just for the benefit of those in the audience, could you give us a number again about what the cost per unit for the portable warming houses are for the season. Hoffman: About $2,500 per season. Lash: Okay, anyone else in the audience wishing to address the commission? Why don't you come on up? Emily Bloudek: I'm Emily Bloudek. I live at 1171 Homestead Lane. I'm kind of new on this topic but I guess I'd like to provide a kid's point of view. I've lived in Chanhassen for t4 years now. When I moved here I still remember the 3 bars down on main street across from the old St. Hubert's. I remember Klingelhutz' farm. I know Kerber's farm where Byerly's was. There was a little white house where the new apartments are going in. I remember that. Around fall festival times I've talked to the older people and they have wonderful stories to tell. I learned, [ actually met the guy that was born in that house up in one of the rooms and I just learned about his childhood and that house actually had meaning to me there because I learned the history. The people that grew up there. What happened there. The farm. The stories, and I don't know too much history about the round house but I think what makes Chanhassen interesting is all the houses and the old buildings around here. Eden Prairie doesn't have very much any 12 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 more and it's just a modernized town. I mean they have a few but, and they're actually saving those. I think the round house is great. It doesn't have too much history like big history but if it disappears and a kid goes oh, a park. The Roundhouse Park. Why is it called that? Because there's no round house there and they go look it up and they find a picture. Most likely the kid will say, oh I wish it was still there. Man that would have been a cool place to explore. I mean if you go to a library and you look up Mudcura, that old hotel, the library can tell you every single book it's in because kids go up and look up and want to know the history about it. And if you talk with the elementary kids and probably more middle school now, that did projects on that, I mean they can, if you just talk to them they go, I wish it was still there because that would have been so cool just to see it and to know the history and to experience just walking through it and I think Chanhassen should keep it because, just because it's old and it has stories. I mean probably all the older people around here and everybody has a story about it, and like someone said before, if you tear down the round house, what's the point of having a round house park. So that's kind of my point of view. Lash: Thanks Emily. Anyone else in the audience wishing to address the commission? No? Okay. Seeing no more people wishing to participate, we'll lose comments and open it up for commissioner comments. Fred, do you want to start? I'll start in the middle. Berg: Jim and I had a bet. I lost. Yeah I just have a couple things to say and I won't bore the audience, now the commissioners with my dyatrid that you've all heard a million times already and I'll just say part of it one more time and yield certainly financial concerns in this day and age are an important item. Something we can't ignore. Unfortunately finances sometimes rule the day. The question of vandalism came up. I'm of the same opinion as one of the gentleman I believe who said the vandalism's going to happen anyway, whether we renovate the round house or tear it down and leave a hole. There are going to vandals. I'd like to think that they're getting together to discuss the incredibly exciting history class they had with me that afternoon, but perhaps they're talking about things less profitable. Which gives you a little guide I guess of my background and also where I'm coming fi.om with this whole thing, and that has to do with history. History's not just about I don't think the historic nature ora building. Because we can't trace the round house back 100 years and say that Henry Rice spent some time in there before he went and fought the Dakota, doesn't make it any less of an historic building. It makes it a building that isn't particularly famous but it's still I think in my mind a building with a historic nature. It's about what our community is about. It's about what Chanhassen has stood for in the past and it's about what I would hope Chanhassen stands for in the future. We've had a number, as Emily pointed out, we've had a number of unique buildings in this town. We've save the depot. We've saved a couple other buildings that I've noted. We lost the school house one day to Chaska. They came and literally stole it one night and moved it to Chaska because they wanted to be known as the place that had education first in Carver County. Well we've lost that now because Chaska was better thieVes than we were I guess. I think it would be unfortunate to tear down one more building that represents our history. We've, I started making notes about alluding to the fact that we're returning to the days of Eden Prairie and Bloomington, and then I started thinking of Bloomington and Eden Prairie are saving their buildings. If you've been in Bloomington you know about Pond Park. You know that that's a rich history there in terms of again the Native American history in the area. There are buildings, I'm sorry I don't recall the names right off hand at Eden Prairie but when they have their festivals or whatever they're talking about this farm and that farm and they seem to have a sense of their history too and I'm feeling a little guilty for dishing Eden Prairie and Bloomington, maybe just because it was so easy. Maybe we should be more like Eden Prairie and Bloomington in some regards. I think that history gives us an idea of not only where we've been but where we want to go. I think that having sat on this commission for 8 years I've heard a lot of people come in, residents come in talking about their parks and inevitably sometime in the discussion they'll talk about why they moved to Chan. And I haven't kept track, and purely antidotal but 13 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 it seems to me that an awful lot of the people say I moved to Chanhassen either because of the parks or because of it's unique nature. There was something about Chanhassen that was quaint. There was something about Chanhassen that made it different than the other places I've lived. Whether it be in Minneapolis where I grew up, or whether it be in any of the other suburbs or out of state or different states altogether. There's something that was unique about Chanhassen. I think I would like to deliver a message to the city. Not just to the citizens of Minnewashta that you've got a building there, that we have a building there, excuse me, that's unique and historical. From my perspective historical anyway. But a message to the entire community that not only do we have this but this is the direction we're going to go. You have a city that is interested in your past and it seems to me again, from an extremely biased point of view, that if the city is concerned about their past, they're concerned about their future and I think that's a pretty nice message to deliver to the people still moving to this community. We cracked 20,000 people with the last census. There's an awful lot of those people that are here because Chanhassen represents something special to them. To me the round house is special. It's also expensive and I understand the ultimate, people who are going to be making this decision are the council and they've got to wrestle with that. I don't have to. I can just revert to my nature as to what I think is right and I think it's right to preserve our past. That's all. Lash: Beautifully stated. Berg: Well, thank you. Lash: Okay. I can't even begin to compete with Fred. He lectures for a living and I don't. I have to speak in little. Berg: Thank you for staying awake by the way. Lash: ...able to do this at a really reasonable cost, and if that'means' we can get some volunteer labor, I'd love to see that happen. Plus I think the beauty of something like that is, the neighbors are involved.. They take ownership. They take pride. That helps cut down on vandalism. Helps cut down on problems. And it increases the neighborhood watch because you now have ownership in something in your park. This began 5 years ago for us and given the comments tonight, and the very differing opinions, you can understand how difficult this is for us. We've had many split votes. We've gone back and forth on the issue, the same as what we heard tonight. So it's a difficult decision to make, and I agree with, I think it was Janet Carlson who said part of the problem is nothing has been done for so long. And part of that is our responsibility. Part of it is the process. We began it 5 years ago but the bidding process, all those things have bogged us down. IfI would have had my way, it would have been done 5 years ago. And I'll agree with everyone who says, it's an eyesore. It is an eyesore. We know it's an eyesore. And we would like to see it be a beautiful landmark for your area. We've waited a long time. It was, when I started on the commission 12 or 13 years ago it was a goal of this commission to get a park in that area, and it took many, many, many, many, many years of budgeting and watching for the perfect site and we really take a lot of pride in that site. We think it was the best spot we could have waited for and because we take so much particular pride in that park, we want it to be especially special and the round house does make that unique and special. I would be in favor of Option 4 if we can get the neighborhood support that we would need to be able to keep it at a reasonable budget that the City Council will approve. I guess that's all I have to say on the issue too. Rod. Franks: Deanna, I was a little surprised by your comments initially because they're hard to reconcile with the e-mails that we're getting that are running pretty much in favor of demolishing the round house and then you're saying that you've talked to neighbors and people are interested and want to keep going 14 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 and I really didn't expect to hear that and so, it's difficult with the turnout tonight to try and, it's a lot of those people that sent their e-mails and then someone said half the neighborhood's on spring break vacations. Without that kind of a turnout to really get a good gauge of where people are at so I'm struggling with that a little bit. And Terry, you were the first to bring up the public safety concerns and I agree that that is a very important issue and one that we've heard from a lot of residents over the years about the type of vandalism that goes on in their parks. Unfortunately at this point there's not a citizen oversight committee on public safety that you can really bring those concerns to, but we hope that there will be a way for the community to work together to have this addressed, but I think with just about anything that we do in our park that's got an open space with shadowed cOmers somewhere, we're going to have the kids congregating and maybe some unsavory activity. And then Emily, I was very pleased to hear some of your comments because it's not often that we get to hear from residents your age that are so able to express themselves. You brought back for me a lot of memories I had when I came to this town 10 years ago of walking into the hardware story with creaky wood floors and dust up to my nose and thinking this is just like the hardware store of my childhood and here it is. It's all here for me. All that's gone now. And Fred, that brings me back to you about thinking there are things that are of value to us, that may not be of value in the greater, larger community because they are our's and they are part of our heritage. I do, you probably picked up, have a little bit of problem with the big price tag, full $125,000. Yet I do like the idea of hearing that the neighborhood is interested and that there may be people willing to take on that type of a challenge. That you've already worked together as a neighborhood in the installation of the playground equipment so there's some history of that neighborhood pulling together and really doing something. This is a bigger project, but yet also understanding that it will be necessary to have the experience and expertise of a contractor to really lead on that project so I think it is time to really make a decision one way or the other. So what I would be in favor of really is, really seeing if the neighborhood can develop a person to work as a coordinator with this project and if we could identify a contractor in the community that would be willing to take a look at this project and really seeing if the two come together can actually get an adequate and acceptable job done on the round house. If not, I really think then we need to move forward and if it can't be done, it~can't be done and we need to really look at a demolition and then at that point, either doing nothing or erecting a structure. At that point I would be in favor of erecting some structure because the design of the park is centered on having a structure in that spot and the park would appear incomplete I believe without that kind of focal point. Todd, are we under a specific time line for actually like moving on the project? Hoffman: Council wanted to hear back within, I think it was 60 days I think they specified. Other than that, no other deadlines on the project itself. Franks: Chairperson Lash, would it be okay to direct a question to. Lash: Sure. Franks: Deanna, you're going to be the target. So I'm just like wondering what your feeling is, since you kind of brought it up, but of actually finding someone that could volunteer as a coordinator, volunteer coordinator in a sense for this project. Do you think that person exists in your neighborhood and about how long do you think it would be to secure that person? Deanna Bunkelman: With .holiday and spring break, I would do it in about a week. And assuming that you're not talking about Option 3. Franks: I'm not talking about Option 3. 15 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Deanna Bunkelman: Good. Does anybody know... Franks: No. The project is I think really technically beyond the scope of what a neighborhood could do and it really will need a professional contractor but I think to get it done it's going to require that effort of people in the community to assist with that effort. Hoffman: The $50,000 would be, always would be city funds. Deanna Bunkelman: Okay. Yeah, a week. Franks: That soon huh. Todd, since this has gone out, any of the local contractors expressed any interest at all in taking a look or. Hoffman: There's nobody. I've talked to a few over the years and there's nobody busting down our doors to get at the 50 grand. Franks: It's not going to be a money maker I imagine. Hoffman: Well the contractors, unless somebody steps forward, the people that you solicit are going to want to make money or they're not going to be interested in the job. And so there's very slim margins in here and we discovered that the first time around. And so there is some fear in going back around again, even though we moved up from $25,000 to $50,000. That's all we can throw at the project because of the bidding laws. Once we get above that then we're back to bidding plans and specifications and then bid it so. It might, all things might not get done. I've always had some fears about the extent of community involvement simply because of the difficulty of the project. We have a structure which is two story. It presents some dangers when you're demolishing and taking off the roof. Then you have an unsound structure because you do not have a, holding onto the outside of the building. Lead based paint is not going to be scrapped off and cleaned by volunteers so there is, about the few things. There's some hand labor that could be involved but depending on the contractor they may not want to have a volunteer near that building when they're working on it due to insurance issues. But then clear coating it, the neighbors could certainly clear coat the structure after it's all said and done so there are some things, some landscaping that could be done. But from the day we started talking about volunteers, it's a difficult project to get them engaged in and so the value there I don't think adds up to a large dollar amount. It's something that's on the lower end. Lash: Do you have a? Audience: Yeah, has anybody thought of, oh one place I lived a local Vo-Tech. Lash: Checked into that. Did that. We pretty much have covered all of our bases. Berg: You have another question on the floor here. Tom. Tom Lotto: I just know out of the, just kind of to go along with Todd here. That roof right now in the bidding was 20 grand for the roof alone. You've got the rest of the structure to support...so what are you going to do, have 30 grand to finish the rest of the house and 20 grand for the roof?. Is that how it is? Hoffman: I don't know. 16 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Tom Lotto: I mean I'm just looking at number 4 here because if all of a sudden you're going into this thing and all of a sudden you're scraping the paint off, because I know asbestos has to be...with the white coats and the gloves and that could run you 20 some thousand, $30,000 right there. Because right now I have a bid out right now on a social room about 30 x 40 and I can't even scrap up the tile. It's going to cost us 23 grand to have it scrapped and hauled away. You have to remove that and haul it away. They don't just let you dump it anywhere. Hoffman: The interior asbestos is such a small square foot amount that it's not going to meet the warrants for those type of removals. We would do that prior to contractor stepping on the site. But the lead in paint on the exterior would require a contractor to remove that. Tom Lotto: What was your price on that Todd? Hoffman: Estimated right around the $20,000 range for the paint removal and clear coating. Lash: And clear coating, so that could be done volunteer. Okay. David. Moes: Thank you. First of all I want to thank everyone for coming. I appreciate the input that everyone has given tonight, as well as the e-mails that have come in. It's certainly been an educational and enlightening process hearing everyone's responses. I was going to give just a general comment but I thought I'd touch on a few of the items that were brought up. Rod kind of hit on the one which was the volunteers with Deanna. I know people have had the opportunity to respond and give their thoughts and ideas and that was one that really didn't come out very loud and clear as far as people wanting to volunteer to work on the structure itself so I'll be very interested to see from Deanna, your standpoint, what exactly does come from the neighbors around your area in regards to the volunteer and the people that you get and the time commitments. Secondly, I think there were a couple of comments about the bridge that seemed to have come up and $750,000. I was trying to think of a comparison to use on that one and the only thing I could come up with, so bear With my'story here, was it's like the 4 person family, husband and wife and 2 kids, and both parents are working at that point in time and you know a $5,000 vacation sounds pretty good. So they go on their $5,000 vacation. However, a couple years later only 1 parent is working and so the funds are a lot tighter and the money isn't there so all of a sudden the $500 vacation sounds a little expensive but they'll do it. So there is a little bit of a difference of I can't say specifically what the funding was for the bridge, however we are under a little bit tighter financial constraints now than I believe when the bridge went up so we do need to operate within. Lash: There was a lot of grant money involved with that bridge. Moes: So I wanted to say that because it was brought up a couple of times and I'm not sure we're talking apples and apples in this scenario here. So just to throw that one out. A third component that runs through my mind is, if we're looking at trying to restore the, or keep the historical heritage here and restore the round house, in my mind it's like when you attack a project. You need to attack it and complete it. And the options that we're really been looking at here are not really going to get it to where it's a completely functional facility. I mean I was hearing running water. I was hearing restrooms, etc. At this time we do not I believe have the funding to take it quite to that extent, and get it to that fully functioning facility that I believe people would like to see it get to. So from, when I look at it I like to see projects started and ended and the residents at the end of the project get the full benefit of it. Even looking at the Option 4 which has been talked about a little bit, is that it will get the outside of the structure looking presentable, although the inside still is a minimal or non-use, is that correct? It can be used as a shelter if we get the volunteer work so, I mean so that gets us a little bit closer. And lastly, the 17 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 last scenario that goes through my mind is, maybe I'm coming at this a little differently but Fred, what's an old vintage car? Berg: Well it depends on if you're asking me or my wife. Serious. There was something we saw today that they were giving away a classic, vintage, antique car and it was a 1955 Ford. She was very upset about the fact that that was considered to be a vintage car. Lash: Makes her vintage. Berg: That's right. She's into a lot of denial these days. I have a '69 MGB that's considered a classic car and that's also an antique or a vintage so it really does depend on who you're asking. Lash: And how old you are. Moes: Maybe we have to go older than that then. 1955 Ford, okay. What I was trying to build an example in my mind as to what I could use on this and I'll take the 1955 Ford and assuming that it doesn't have an engine in it, but yet it still looks good on the outside. There's going to be, no offense here Fred, it will be a group of individuals that would like to spend money to refurbish this 1955 Ford so that it looks good and that people can walk by it and it does have a lot of class, a lot of history and a lot of heritage to it. And people are very interested in restoring it, although as far as it being able to be driven, that's.a non-functioning vehicle. But it looks good. Then there's other people that would walk by that 1955 Ford vehicle and say well it looks really nice. I wonder what kind of gas mileage it gets because I'd really like to buy a new car and use it. Or a different kind of car and in essence this vehicle is something that's nice to look at. It's got heritage. It's got history to it and it's nice to look at. But then there are other people who would like to take the funding and use the dollars that, is that a sign? There are other people that would like to take the money and spend it on a car~that they could drive. And my viewpoint on it is that, I prefer spending the money on something that people could drive. I understand the historical heritage and the desire to resfore things that have been important and hold a lot of meaning to people. At the same time I struggle with the use of the funds and having people utilize facilities in today's environment and being able to bring families to the park and use it so, I'm a strong proponent of Option #2 here. To get something that is useable for the park and the facility. For the people that come to the park. That's what I had. Thanks Fred. Lash: Thanks David. Mike. Howe: Thanks Jan. A couple things. First I apologize for being late. I missed some of the first speakers. I've kept up on the e-mails. I want to thank you all very much for your eloquent and often emotional views on this topic. It's a difficult topic. Flatly I would like to keep the round house, but not for $125,000. I think that is too much. I always did like Option 4. I think that in a project like this if it was, I think marketed is the wrong word but if we approach it from the right angle, I think you could have volunteers from more than just a neighborhood. I don't think that I would expect the neighborhood to shoulder all this. I think if we could enlist the Villager to talk about this, you might get folks from all over Chanhassen. I don't live in your neighborhood. I'd certainly be happy to be there and put the gloves on and roll up my sleeves. The second thing. Maybe I'm naYve about this but I don't know in a $50,000 bid, working with a local contractor, to what extent you could get some local businesses to kick in on some of the supplies. Some of the lumber. I'd be willing to make some of those calls myself. I have no idea what you'd find. It used to work for some things. That's something that's worth exploring. That might allow a contractor like that to have a higher margin for what he or she might make. And again, I'm in favor of Option number 4 but if that doesn't get past the council, and we do have to tear this 18 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 building down, I would like some way to save some elements of it. One thing that always intrigued me about the architectural report and engineering report was that lumber. The Douglas fir that I think when he was here a couple of months ago he said that they mount expeditions in Lake Superior to dredge old lumber boats that sank to get this lumber. This is special stuff, and I'd hate to see it get chopped up and taken to a dump. If there was a way let's say that we were going to build some kind of shelter, a regular concrete shelter or benches, it would be nice as just a remembrance if we used some of that nice lumber. If it comes to that. I hope it doesn't, but if it does, I'd like to save parts of it so I'm for number 4. Lash: Thanks Mike. Jim. Manders: Pretty tough body to follow after all of that. I'd also like to thank everybody for coming this evening and expressing your views. I'm trying to think of the approach. Essentially I'm in favor of saving it and some of the reasoning I got behind it maybe goes back to some of the initial decisions on getting some kind of an estimate on the facility. Also some of the logic and decisions behind the support of the referendum that we had a few years back. And I've got a few other comments that I just want to bring up, but my thought on preservation is that is probably the foremost thing that pushes me in on a decision, particularly on say the referendum. There were several components to the referendum, preservation being one and that preservation was acquiring land for parks and usage down the road. Other components were trails and the third component was to maybe revamping some of the facilities in the parks. My view on those other two, the trails and revamping is that that can essentially be done at any time. Whenever funding is available, but if you don't preserve or save the land, you're not going to have a park to build there. And that's kind of my thinking here is that preserving this facility is something that certainly there's a valid question on cost, but preservation still comes back to retaining some kind of history. And that's been well explored so far so we don't have to talk about the historical component, but in my mind it's more than just a novelty that has been pointed out in some e-mails. -I think history is something certainly more than having a railroad depot and a school and church kind of · all in one comer here and we're saying okay, that's the history of Cllanhassen. I think it needs to be' spread out a little bit and quite frankly some of the othbr facilities that were mentioned, we can't save everything. Even trees. You know a lot of times that's a big component of a park decision or new development. You know somebody owns the land. They're going to get it developed. Is it our right to say that we should have the trees saved so that they don't put up another park building? Well now that I live in Chanhassen, I'd like to see that but where do their rights come in as far as preserving? I mean this brings me back to the idea of the facility itself, which is certainly something more than what you see more the modem angle of Chanhassen, which is a bunch of new commercial buildings with green gabled roofs that all kind of blend in and look the same. I would prefer to see some of these older components retained. To me it certainly is an eyesore and I liken it to some old furniture that has been sitting up in the attic or out in some out building and you think it's junk and you're going to throw it away, and you take it in and get it refinished and it's probably your prized possession that you have in your house. And I've got some old chairs that I did exactly the same thing to. Now 1 of the 6 chairs was kind of a piece of junk but I spent a lot more to fix it up but it's as nice as all the other ones, and I think this has the same potential. Some of the questions I have are certainly along the lines of using the facility. When you talk about renting it out and maybe not even renting it but having it as far as reservations. I think that's in the realm of possibilities for neighborhood gatherings or family reunions or whatever. I don't think it would be the kind of facility that was mentioned in one of the e-mails like Starring Lake has that cabin. I don't know how many of you are familiar with that rental facility. I mean that's quite a bit, I think a larger area that is more conducive to renting out, but I've been there several times and it's kind of a quaint little thing that's off to the side of Starring Lake and has a fireplace in it and kind of a meeting area room. This area is, I think it's a lot smaller. Just by being vertical instead of spread out, this probably wouldn't work for that but I think it would certainly qualify for a meeting area for whoever wanted to use it. Costs 19 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 of similar facilities. I mean if we were to build some other kind of facility out there, I seem to recall some statement saying the cost would be $75,000 to $150,000. Hoffman: For an enclosed structure. Manders: Yeah, well that's what we have is an enclosed structure. So if we're talking some type of similar facility like that, we're talking basically the same price, give or take. So and maybe my give and take on $25,000-$30,000 as you're saying, well that's kind of, well I'd like to keep that. But my point is that there isn't all that much difference between building a new enclosed facility than what we're talking about spending on this one. I guess one question I would have on any other cities. Is there anything that you can think of that another city has tried to refurbish something that has been anywhere's close to this that rings any bells with you? Hoffman: There are many communities, suburban communities have renovated or refurbished a living history farm of sorts and some other communities we talked about this evening, so those take considerable investment to Eden Prairie as a variety of the other communities. Brooklyn Park. Manders: Yeah, I mean that's kind of the whole building site and out buildings and. Hoffman: It varies, yeah. I'm not familiar with a structure, very many structures around that I know of, in public park systems, that have been preserved similar to this. Manders: Okay. Lash: That's our point. It's very unique. Manders: So I guess what I'd like to wrap up with saying you know; I'd like to see some'preservation of the facility. As far as there being a balance between development and preservation. Certainly we could build some other facility for less but it would be quite a bit different. You're going to have an open air thing that's still going to need a warming house there if you're going to have some type of skating rink or what not. I agree with one of the comments earlier about bathroom facilities. It would be nice to have something like that but to me that's something that can be dealt with later. So I guess one of the points about the materials and everything, wood being so irreplaceable, you know that, what was the comment? The existing materials are irreplaceable. This was the architect making the comments about that... Lash; So Jim, is there one that you're in favor oP. Are you leaning towards 4? Or what? Manders: Well I guess I'm leaning towards 4. Certainly not spending any more than we have to but I was thinking spend what we need to to have a facility that's going to work. Lash: Okay, thanks. Anyone else on the commission who wants to add anything? Okay. Seeing no more comments, is there someone who would like to entertain a motion? Franks: I would entertain a motion that it is the recommendation of this commission that the round house be restored for an adaptive re-use as a park shelter. And that the restoration effort take place with a volunteer effort of the community working in conjunction with a local contractor. That the cost, actual cost to the city of this project not exceed $50,000 and that if by, I'm thinking sometime next summer, sufficient progress isn't shown, that the commission move forward with a recommendation to demolish the round house and solicit bids for a park shelter to be erected there. Post and slab park shelter. 20 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Lash: You want that all together in one motion? Franks: You know it's a big, long monster of a motion but I think what I'm attempting to accomplish is to really tie this up and to really create some solid direction here. And one way or another to move forward with completing that park. Lash: Is there a second to that motion7 Okay, there's not a second to that motion. So the motion dies for lack of second. Howe: I liked your motion but just, I don't like the part about the shelter. I would just rather wait and see what happens. I was with you til there. Franks: How long are you willing to wait? Lash: No, erecting the slab. Howe: You can put a time period on, if we can find a contractor and some of these other things fall into place but that's another discussion mind you that a shelter. What do you want to do with it? I mean once you tear it down, if that happens to be what the course is. Berg: I think that enters into the realm of our 5 year CIP. Howe: It changes things. Franks: I'd be willing to delete the Portion of my motion if the commission can come to consenSus about what time that we really take a look at moving forward in that direction if progress isn't being made. Howe: Okay, what kind of progress? I mean work starting? Getting a contractor? A completion date? What are you thinking? Lash: And I'd like to actually move that back to even September. If by fall nothing has happened, then but mid-September, I mean mid-summer might be, this is already into April so just by the time it goes through council, get the neighborhood organized, get everybody scheduled. Try to locate a contractor. I mean I can see where potentially it could take several months even just to get some of that all put together. Howe: Could you live with September? Franks: September would be fine. That's under 6 months so that's doable. Lash: And that would still give them plenty of time, if they needed to demolish it, to take care of it in the fall. Franks: Demolition is something that Todd, the city, is that able to be handled in-house? Hoffman: Demolition of this, with the hazardous materials would probably be contracted out. Franks: My concern is that then we're looking at it probably standing for another winter. 21 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 Howe: Not necessarily. Lash: How long would that take do you think, to find a contractor to demolish? Hoffman: Not very long. It's pretty easy. Franks: Can that be done into the fall? Hoffman: Sure. Sure. Franks: Alright. Lash: So would you like to rephrase your motion? Franks: Well if we can go then in and delete the portion about from mid-July on and just say that the commission will review the round house project no later than their September meeting to decide whether to continue with the restoration effort or to move in a new direction. Manders: So can I get a re-run on what it is that you're. Lash: So you're looking at Option 4 with the end of September as the deadline? Franks: Correct. Lash: For potential progress being made. And if there's no progress, we haven't Pulled anything together by the end of September, we tear it down. .. Berg: We discuss tearing it down is what I heard you say the second time. Lash: Is that what you said? Franks: Well personally, I would like to see it go by winter if we're not going to be able to pull it together by then. I think we really need to move forward and take it down. Berg: I would be happier if you motion said we will consider in December whether or not we want to continue or demolish. September, whether or not we want to continue or demolish. Knowing full well what's going to happen, I don't know if this is according to the rules or whatever, I'm having a difficult time supporting any motion that says we're going to tear it down. In September or July or November. But that. Hoffman: Chair Lash, you need to call for a second before conversation. Lash: Alright, we'll call for a second. And Rod can you just. Franks: I'll withdraw the motion. Lash: Okay. Who wants to try and frame a new one? I think we're yew close. What I was hearing, can't make the motion but what I was hearing is we move forward with Option 4. The September 22 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 meeting to discuss progress. To discuss the progress, either there is progress. If there's no progress, then we re-open it to another option. Franks: I'll offer another motion. Lash: Okay. Franks: I'd move that the commission move forward with Option 4 leading to an adaptive re-use of the round house as a park shelter. And that the commission will review progress to that end in their September meeting. If the consensus of the commission is that progress is not satisfactory, that the commission would then entertain demolition of the round house at that time. Lash: Is there a second to that? Howe: Second. Franks moved, Howe seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend approval of Option 4 leading to an adaptive re-use of the round house as a park shelter. The commission will review progress to that end in their September meeting. If the consensus of the commission is that progress is not satisfactory, the commission will then entertain demolition of the round house at that time. Ali voted in favor, except Moes who opposed, and the motion carried with a vote of 5 to 1. Hoffman: Chair, a couple of clarifications. Lash: Yes. - Hoffman: That's a recommendation to the council. Lash: Right. Hoffman: And they will receive their recommendation on the 23rd of April. Who hires the contractor? The neighborhood volunteer coordinator or the city? Lash: You're assuming the city would be hiring the contractor. Hoffman: Okay. Because the relationship between the contractor and the neighborhood is going to be key if they rely on, and so if I go out and solicit quotations from a contractor, and I state that when you respond to this RFP be aware that you'll be working with the neighborhood volunteer coordinator to perform a portion of the work, that's going to raise a huge red flag. Lash: How could we do it any other way? I mean they can't go hire someone. I mean the city's got. Would you want them to try to find the person ultimately who wants to work with them and then we would hire them? Hoffman: Well the City Council has the authority to allow the neighborhood to go ahead and work with the contractor on a time and materials basis, up to $50,000. If they want to take that leap of faith and I think that puts a lot more flexibility into the hands of the contractor and the neighborhood. If the council is uncomfortable with that and they say no, we want competitive quotes on what you're going to 23 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 accomplish out there, then I'm left with identifying what we are going to accomplish with a $50,000 getting competitive quotes for and then hoping to engage these volunteers in some form of the construction. Lash: So if the neighborhood found the contractor, they'd already be doing, they'd be doing their own competitive bidding, wouldn't they? Hoffrnan: They should, yeah. Lash: So if the City Council is comfortable with that and seeing the information that they gathered, so in the end we'd still be paying but they'd be coordinating with the contractor. Hoffman: I just want to make sure when I present that to the council, we present it in a fashion that. Lash: Is that what people? Franks: That would be my understanding is the volunteer coordinator would really be key in that process of soliciting their contractor to work with that effort. Hoffman; Okay. Lash: Deanna, does that sound doable? Deanna Bunkelman: Yes. Lash: Okay. Deanna Bunkelman: Yeah, we actually have' some thoughts about some people in the neighborhood. Some people that have actually done homes in the neighborhood. About contacting them and we'll be contacting them tomorrow. And I was curious. Lash: Can you hold on one second though. David, do you want to go on the record about your vote? Moes: Sure. I think I captured a lot of the thoughts earlier in the conversations. And thinking through it, I respect the efforts of pulling the volunteers together and having the community move forward with refurbishing it. At the same time I still look at a completed, fully utilized facility and based on Option 4, I don't think we get to a fully functional facility based on what I was hearing from the audience as well as from the letters from those that wanted to restore it so, when I take that into account in my thought process, I lean more towards the demolition and the building cfa facility that is fully utilized. It's an open facility, concrete slab, pole etc but it is a facility that's ready for use and available in a shorter time period versus trying to stand a refurbishing project over a 1, 2, 3 year time period and people start losing interest in it so I'm much more comfortable staying with the demolition and the slab and pole environment .... facility for the community to use in the neighborhood. Lash: Okay, thanks. Okay Deanna. Deanna Bunkelman: I was curious. When you go to the park in Excelsior, that's down by the lake, and I guess the park there was put together by neighborhood volunteers and they have a place that.., and all these different businesses that actually donated. Have you actually contacted businesses in the area to 24 Park and Recreation Commission - April 10, 2001 see if they would be willing to donate? Okay, so that would be another option that we could explore. And would that be an option then if we get people to do that, then say hey, we'll put a plate with your name? Lash: Sure. Deanna Bunkelman: Okay. Lash: We're not proud. Hoffman: ABC Lumber would be a good place to start. Lash: Thanks so much for coming in tonight. Hopefully this will all work out and you'll end up with something to be really proud of in your neighborhood. Berg: Thank you very much. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS. None. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS. Lash: Do we hak, e the Arbor Day, Park Pride Day coming up pretty sOon? Hoffman: Yep. Lash: When is that? Hoffman: May 5~. ' Franks: Update on the city survey? Hoffman: The city survey was approved by the City Council last night. 172 questions and I have a copy upstairs if you're interested in looking at it. Lash: Can I just ask for clarification on the yMCA? Did they mention it by name or not? Hoffman: No. Manders: On that city survey, did you hear that Eden Prairie just did one, or got the results or something was published in the paper about a survey? Hoffman: No, I didn't hear about that. Manders: Just recently. Evidently there were some results... Lash: Okay, anything else? Alright, and we don't have an administrative packet, right? Hoffman: No. 25