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1c Applebee's Sign VarianceCITYOF CHANHASSEN 7700 B/arket Bo,.Jievard PO Box 147 Chanhassen I/IN 55317 Administration Fax: 952 227 1110 Building Inspeclions ?I~one 952227 1180 Fax: 952 2271190 Enoineering Phorle/ 952 227 1160 Fax: 952 2271170 Finance Phone: 952 2271140 Fax: 952227 1110 Park & Recreation Phone: 952227 1120 Fax: 952227. i110 Recreation Center 2310 CouJter Boulevard Phone; 952.2271400 Fax: 952 2271404 Planning & Nalural Resources PhOlle: 952.227 1130 Fax 952 227 1110 Public Works 1591 Park Road Phor~e: 952227 1300 Fax: 9522271310 Senior Center Phone: 952 2271125 fax: 952227 1 ! 10 Web Site .,¥,,,v ~, cJ cl~ani/assen m~ us MEMORANDUM TO: Todd Gerhardt, City Manager FROM: Kristin Wentzlaff, Planning Intern DATE: September 8, 2003 SUB J: Update on Applebee's Sign Variance #2003-11 Executive Summary: The applicant is proposing two signs on the north elevation of the Applebee's Restaurant building. Code permits signage on street frontage only. The north elevation faces the parking lot and has no street frontage. The two proposed signs are meant to direct customers to the Carside To Go door, where their take-out orders may be picked up. One sign is a canopy sign, which is proposed to be located above the door that accesses the pick-up area. It is 4.75 square feet and reads, "Carside To Go". The other sign is a neon wall sign, with an area of 6 square feet and also reads "Carside To Go". Staff finds this request reasonable since there are two separate operations taking place in the restaurant and the proposed signage would help to differentiate between the access points for the services. PC Update: On August 19, 2003, the Planning Commission held a public heating to review the proposed sign variance. The Planning Commission and staff recommend approval of variance#2003-11, with modified conditions. The summary and verbatim minutes are attached. The motion and conditions of approval can be found on page 5 of the staff report. Recommendation: Staff and the Planning Commission are recommending approval of the sign variance. The recommendation is found on page 5 of the staff report. Attachments: 1. Variance #2003-11 Staff Report 2. August 19, 2003 Planning Commission Summary and Verbatim Minutes The City of Chanhassen · A growin6 community v,,.i~h clean lakes, quality schools, a charmino downtown, thm,'ing businesses, winding trails, and beautiJul parks A great place to live work and pla}/ PC DATE: 8/19/03 CITY OF CHANHASSEN CC DATE: 9/8/03 REVIEW DEADLINE: CASE #: 2003-11 BY: KW 9/16/03 STAFF REPORT PROPOSAL: Request for a variance to allow wall signage on non-street frontage. LOCATION: APPLICANT: 590 West 79th Street, Lot 4, Block 1, Crossroads Plaza 3rd Addition Griffin Sign & Awning Inc. 2151 351st Avenue NW Cambridge, MN 55008 Applebee's Restaurant 590 West 79th Street Chanhassen, MN 55317 PRESENT ZONING: BH, Highway and Business District 2020 LAND USE PLAN: Commercial ACREAGE: 1.24 SUMMARY OF REQUEST: The applicant is proposing two signs on the north elevation of the building adjacent to the parking lot. The two proposed signs direct customers to the take-out area of the restaurant. Staff recommends approval of the request. Notice of this public hearing has been mailed to all property owners within 500 feet. LEVEL OF CITY DISCRETION IN DECISION-MAKING: The City's discretion in approving or denying a variance is limited to whether or not the proposed project meets the standards in the Zoning Ordinance for a variance. The City has a relatively high level of discretion with a variance because the applicant is seeking a deviation from established standards. This is a quasi judicial decision. Variance 2003-11 August 19, 2003 Page 2 PROPOSAL SUMMARY The applicant is proposing two signs on the north elevation of the Applebee's Restaurant building. Code permits signage on street frontage only. The north elevation faces the parking lot and has no street frontage. Existing signage consists of one wall mounted sign located along the west elevation and one monument sign along West 79th Street. The property in question is located to the north of West 79th Street and east of Market Boulevard. The property has two access points, one from West 79th Street and one cross access from Americana Community Bank. The site has an approximate area of 1.24 acres and is zoned Highway and Business District, BH. Highway 5 ~ There are two proposed signs. They are meant to direct customers to the Carside To Go door, where their take-out orders may be picked up. One sign is a canopy sign, which is proposed to be located above the door that accesses the pick-up area. There is an existing canopy over the door. It would be replaced with a new canopy that has a 4.75 square foot sign that reads, "Carside To Go". The other sign is a neon wall sign, with an area of 6 square feet and also reads "Carside To Go". APPLICABLE REGUATIONS Sec. 20-1303. Highway, general business districts and central business districts. The following signs shall be allowed by permit in any "BH", "BG", or "CBD" District: The following table lists the standards for freestanding and gq'ound low profile signs in the BH, BG, or CBD zone. Variance 2003-11 August 19, 2003 Page 3 Pylon Ground Low Profile Principal Height (feet) Sign Size Height (feet) Sign Size Structure (square feet) (square feet) 50,000 sq. ft. or greater 20 80 10 80 Less than 50,000 sq. ft. 16 64 8 64 1) Pylon business sign. Pylon signs are permitted on parcels that abut State Highway corridors only. One (1) pylon identification sign shall be permitted. This sign may identify the name of the center or the major tenants. The height and square footage of the sign shall be based on the square footage of the principal structure as shown in the table. Such signs shall be located at least ten (10) feet from any property line. (2) Ground low profile business signs. One (i) ground low profile business sign shall be permitted per each outlot or separate building pad that has street frontage. The height and square footage of the sign shall be based on the table above. Such signs shall be located at least three hundred (300) feet from any other pylon or ground sign and at least ten (i0) feet from any property line. (3) Wall business signs. Wall business signs shall be permitted on street frontage for each business occupant within a building only. The total of all wall mounted sign display areas for each business shall not exceed the square footage established in the following table: Maximum Percentage Wall Area in Square Feet Maximum Square of Wall Footage of Sign 15% 0--600 90 13% 601--1,200 156 11% 1,201 -1,800 198 9% 1,801 --2,400 218 7% 2,401 --3,200 224 5% 3,201-4,500 230 3% 4,500+ 240 (4) Menu board. One (1) menu board sign per restaurant use is permitted with a drive-through facility. Such sign shall not exceed forty-five (45) square feet in size nor greater than eight (8) feet in height. Such sign is permitted in addition to any other sign permitted in the zoning district. (Ord. No. 314, § 2, 3-26-01) BACKGROUND On February 26, 1996, the Chanhassen City Council approved the site plan for a 5,500 square foot (Applebee's Restaurant) building. A sign variance was applied for at that time. The variance requested two wall signs, on the south and west elevation. The request was denied, as code permits wall signage on street Variance 2003-11 August 19, 2003 Page 4 frontage only. The Council did not feel that there was a hardship. In their decision for approval of the site plan, condition #11 stated that "Signage shall comply with City Code requirements." Currently there is one monument sign on the property that is shared with Tires Plus. There is also a wall sign on the west elevation that reads, "Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar". In addition, there are window signs on the west elevation. On July 18, 2003, an application was submitted for a variance to allow two wall signs to be placed on the north elevation of the building. The north elevation faces the parking lot. The proposed signs advertise Carside To Go, Applebee's new take-out promotion. The proposed signage would direct carryout customers to the proper entrance. On April 14, 2003, in a similar situation, the City Council approved a variance to allow Chipotle and Buffalo Wild Wings to have signage on the north side of the building, which faces the parking lot. Signage on the north side helps customers differentiate which entrance to use for each restaurant. In the case of Applebee's, it will direct customers to the proper entrance. ANALYSIS Wall signage on a non-street frontage is not permitted by code. Staff finds this request reasonable based on the fact that there are two separate operations taking place in the restaurant and the proposed signage would help to differentiate between the access points for the services. The proposed signs would direct customers to the proper entrance. The proposed signs would cover 1% of the north elevation. Both of the proposed signs have the same sign display, shown in attachments #4 and #5. The signs read, "Carside To Go" and have a small apple logo above the wording. Both signs blend well with the building and the existing signage. The signs replicate the colors used in the existing signage and canopies on the building. The wall mounted sign is lit with neon, as are the existing wall signs and monument sign. FINDINGS The city council, upon the recommendation of the planning commission, may grant a variance from the requirements of this article where it is shown that by reason of topography or other conditions, strict compliance with the requirements of this article would cause a hardship; provided that a variance may be granted only if the variance does not adversely affect the spirit or intent of this article. Finding: Enforcing the ordinance creates hardship because Applebee's has two separate aspects to the restaurant business; sit down and take-out. The City required parking to be to the rear of the building, which forces Applebee's to put all signage on an opposite frontage from the cars and limits the ability to direct the customers to separate entrances. The existing signage identifies the restaurant while the Variance 2003-11 August 19, 2003 Page 5 proposed signage would differentiate which door to use depending on the type of service the customer was looking for. RECOMMENDATION Staff and Planning Commission recommends that the Planning Commission City Council adopt the following motion: "The Planning Commission City Council recommends approval of approves variance #2003-11 to allow a wall sign and a canopy sign be placed on the north elevation of Appleebee's Restaurant, with the following conditions: 1. The signs must be constructed and installed per drawings submitted on 7/18/03. 2. A building permit must be obtained before installing the awning on the building. 3. At least 3 car stalls adjacent to the entryway shall be designated for carside to go parking. ATTACHMENTS 1. Application 2. Public hearing notice/label 3. Drawing of proposed canopy sign 4. Drawing of proposed wall sign 5. Drawing of elevations of building 6. Photograph of proposed signage 7. Seating and equipment plan showing main entry and carside to go entry CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 (612) 937-1900 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION Comprehensive Plan Amendment Temporary Sales Permit Conditional Use Permit Interim Use Permit Vacation of ROW/Easements ~. Variance Non-conforming Use Permit Wetland Alteration Permit Planned Unit Development* Zoning Appeal ~ Rezoning Zoning Ordinance Amendment Sign Permits Sign PLan Review Notification Sign Site Plan Review* X Subdivision* Escrow for Filing Fees/Attorney Cost** ($50 CUP/SPRNACNAR/W AP/Metes and Bounds, $400 Minor SUB) TOTALFEE$ A list of ali property owners within 500 feet of the boundaries of the property must be included with the application. Budding material samples must be submitted with site plan reviews. ~rwenty-six full size folded copies of the plans must be submitted, including an 81/2" X 11" reduced copy of transparency for each plan sheet. Escrow will be required for other applications through the development contract NOTE- When multiple applications are processed, the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application. PAGE 82 NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, AUGUST 19, 2003 AT 7:00 P.M. CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS 7700 MARKET BLVD. PROPOSAL: Sign Variance APPLICANT: Applebee's International LOCATION' 590 West 79th Street NOTICE: You are invited to attend a public hearing about a proposal in your area. The applicant, Applebee's International, is requesting variances for wall signage located at 590 West 79th Street. What Happens at the Meeting: The purpose of this public hearing is to inform you about the applicant's request and to obtain input from the neighborhood about this project. During the meeting, the Chair will lead the public hearing through the following steps: 1. Staff will give an overview of the proposed project. 2. The applicant will present plans on the project. 3. Comments are received from the public. 4. Public hearing is closed and the Commission discusses the project. Questions and Comments: If you want to see the plans before the meeting, please stop by City Hall during office hours, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you wish to talk to someone about this project, please contact Kristin at 227-1132 or e-mail kwentzlaff@ci.chanhassen.mn.us. If you choose to submit written comments, it is helpful to have one copy to the department in advance of the meeting. Staff will provide copies to the Commission. Notice of this public hearing has been published in the Chanhassen Villager on August 7, 2003. 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One of his major concerns is the fact that there's been so many comments from Chaska residents that further reinforces his concern that one of the major issues here is moving a lot of people from Chaska through county roads and a number of the intersections involved aren't part of this AUAR George Dorsey, 1551 Lyman Boulevard stated he was amused by the fact that he could drive from Edina to Brownsville, Texas, 1,800 miles without one stop light and between Chanhassen and Edina there's 8 or 9, and talk of adding more. Debbie Lloyd, 7302 Laredo Drive had concerns about notification of residents in this area. Jeff Kerfeld, 2702 Shadow Wood Court, Chaska stated he lives adjacent to proposed medium density area, he has asked to be put on the mailing list and he did not receive notice of this public hearing. He expressed concern about the look and feel of the medium density being proposed adjacent to his property. Chairman Sacchet continued the public hearing until the September 2, 2003 Planning Commission meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR WALL SIGNAGE LOCATED AT 590 WEST 79TM STREET. Public Present: Name Address Mike Morris Shawn Griffin, Griffin Sign & Awning 590 West 79th Street 21513 51st Avenue N.W., Cambridge Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item. Commissioner Lillehaug asked about the directional signs that are currently there. Commissioner Papke asked about the request for a neon sign and restrictions related to the hours it could be lit. Commissioner Tjornhom asked if this request was for this specific sign or if could it be changed in the future. Mike Morris, the General Manager for the Chanhassen Applebee's outlined their request. Shawn Griffin with Griffin Sign stated that Applebee's International has 2,000 locations which are incorporating the "car side to go" program with the 3 parking signs, a video camera, a neon sign and an awning so it's a roll out program nationally. Commissioner Slagle suggested Applebee's consider opening up a fourth parking spot. Chairman Sacchet asked for clarification on the set-up in the restaurant to handle the food pick-up and then opened the public hearing. There was no one wishing to speak at the public hearing and the public hearing was closed. After commission comments the following motion was made. Feik moved, Slagle seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Variance ~f2003-11 to allow a wall sign and a canopy sign to be placed on the north elevation of Applebee's Restaurant with the following conditions: 1. The signs must be constructed and installed per drawings submitted on 7/18/03. 2. A building permit must be obtained before installing the awning on the building. o At least 3 car stalls adjacent to the entryway shall be designated for car side to go parking. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. Planning Commission Meeting- August 19, 2003 Sacchet: And I also may want to point out, we do have design standards for the city and when we, like most likely in most of these developments I would expect in this study area, it's my understanding that Town and Country...is under PUD which gives us additional flexibility to ask for higher quality components in terms of what's being developed and gives us also flexibility to preserve more of the green space. That's definitely what we're aiming for. Thank you for your comments. Alright, who else? Lots of good comments. I want to thank you for all your comments. Anybody else wants to come forward. If not tonight you have another chance in 2 weeks. I am not going to close this hearing tonight. We'll leave this open and it will be continued in 2 weeks on September 2nd. And I would expect at that time you'll have a little more details. Is it reasonable to expect we have some of the mitigation elements in front of us by then? Mark Koegler: Correct. Sacchet: So we basically would have a more finalized draft, a more complete draft in place by then. Mark Koegler: Correct. Sacchet: Excellent. Kate. Aanenson: Mr. Chair, if I could recommend maybe just a 5 minute bio break. Sacchet: I think a 5 minute bio break would be well advised so we'll continue, I say 5 to 9:00 with the hope that I'm hammering at 9:00. Thank you very much everybody. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR WALL SIGNAGE LOCATED AT 590 WEST 79TM STREET. Public Present: Name Address Mike Morris Shawn Griffin, Griffin Sign & Awning 590 West 79th Street 21513 51st Avenue N.W., Cambridge Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item. Sacchet: Thanks Bob. Questions from staff. Steve, do you want to start? Lillehaug: Sure, a couple quick ones. Could you put that picture back up there of the existing Applebee's. And then just a comment. Question. Sacchet: Is your microphone on? Lillehaug: I don't know. Slagle: Do you want the other picture? 31 Planning Commission Meeting- August 19, 2003 Lillehaug: 3 parking additions? Yeah, the other picture of the back. Are there currently 3 signs directing carry out to stalls right in front of that door? I mean I drove by there and I think, are they new Generous: Yes. They put those reserve spots if you will. Lillehaug: Are they temporary or? Generous: You'd have to ask them. It's more direction type sign. Lillehaug: Another question. In the report you mentioned that one of the hardships was because the parking was required by the city to be on the north side of Applebee's. If the parking was allowed on the south side of the building, would have the City allowed that sign to be placed there? Generous: Yes. They're permitted signage on street frontages so yes. As long as total signage did not exceed what's permitted they would give them a permit. Lillehaug: So currently they could still put a sign on the south side right now per code if they wanted to. Generous: Well we gave them only one elevation. We call it the frontage and they picked the west one. Because that street is sort of funny. It wraps around there. But it's not a big enough curve to be designed as two streets by our ordinance. Lillehaug: Okay, that's it thanks. Sacchet: Thanks Steve. Bruce. Feik: No questions, thank you. Sacchet: Kurt. Papke: Just a quick one. You said there will be a neon sign as well, did I hear you correctly? Generous: Yes. Papke: Are there any restrictions on the hours with which that can be lit or anything like that? Since this is a lighted sign and. Generous: Not specifically. Papke: Any issues or concerns with that? Maybe another ancillary question. What are the sight lines to this sign? Who's going to see the sign at the end of the day? Generous: The Tires Plus and whatever the bowling alley site redevelops. Papke: Okay, so there will be direct sight line from the bowling alley site? You'll be able to see it from the parking lot or whatever. Generous: Yes, portions of it, yes. 32 Planning Commission Meeting - August 19, 2003 Papke: Okay. I don't think the neon is a major concern. I was just wondering if there are any, since it is lighted, are there any conditions on when it can be lit or anything like that because that could be the only source of objection that I could see. Sacchet: Bethany. Tjornhom: If they get the sign and they put it up, it says To Go or whatever it does say, can they take it down then in 6 months and replace it with a sign that says something else or is this just for this specific sign? Generous: It's specific based on these plans right now. They would have to amend the variance. Tjornhom: So if they wanted to put up a different sign saying something else they'd have to come back and get permission again? Generous: They'd have to amend the variance, correct. Sacchet: Thanks Bethany. Rich. Slagle: Just a quick question. On the neighboring restaurants that you use Bob as sort of a justification as granting a variance. How is there drive parking situation at the front of their restaurant? And I apologize for not remembering but I mean do they have allocated spaces that, and Buffalo Wild Wings/Chipotle, do they. AI-Jaff: No, they share parking. Slagle: But do they have things, do they have parking spaces designated for pick-up only? A1-Jaff: No. Slagle: Okay. And let me ask you this. Have you sensed any traffic problems with the parking lot? Unfortunately I haven't been there yet but. A1-Jaff: Fortunately, well when it first opened of course there was quite a bit of traffic to Chipotle. Lately I think those numbers are becoming normal. Stabilizing. Slagle: And has Buffalo opened yet? Feik: Tuesday. Slagle: Commissioner Lillehaug is grinning as you're talking about this Sharmeen so, okay I'll take that as an answer as well. Okay, thanks. Sacchet: Since we talked about the percentage of how much signage could be on the elevation, do we know that they actually exhausted the allowable percentage on their west? Generous: Not off the top of my head. 33 Planning Commission Meeting - August 19, 2003 Sacchet: Don't know for sure, okay. I was just curious. It's not really that essential but... interesting context. And I'm out of questions for the applicant. So with that I'd like to invite the applicant to come forward. Tell us what you have to tell us. Mike Morris: I'm Mike Morris, the current GM at the Applebee's here on West 79tl~. I should really clarify the whole process of the car site. What we're trying to implement is when a person pulls up we do have the designated parking, which I had mentioned of the 3 signs that we're currently at. What we're doing is we're getting people actually to deliver the food to the car side, which...permit for the sign at that designated spot so people don't mistake those cars for just general parking. Pretty straight forward program. We see it as building sales quite drastically actually. It's already increased 8 percent over last year which is significant. Shawn Griffin: And I'm Shawn Griffin with Griffin Sign. Applebee's International is doing this on 2,000 locations so it's not just a certain amount of them, and they're all doing consistently with the 3 parking signs, a video camera, a neon sign and an awning so it's a roll out program nationally. And I've already completed all 14 of them so. Sacchet: You'll be busy for a while. Questions from the applicant? Slagle: Just a quick one. So concept is they call ahead and is there a timeframe that you give them, is that sort of how it works? Mike Morris: Yep. Yeah, we'll roughly say you know 10-15 minutes, so on and so forth. We do have a camera installed so we actually say what kind of car do you drive. What color and size so when a red Tahoe pulls up we can actually run out and we know exactly what we're car we're servicing then. Slagle: Last question. I think I saw 4 spaces adjacent to your building, is that correct? Mike Morris: Apparently 3. Slagle: Only 3 total? Mike Morris: Yeah, right at that... Slagle: I'm going left from the door. Mike Morris: ...but we only have 3 spots that are actually designated. Slagle: How many available right next to the building? Feik: One handicap. 4 stalls, one handicap. Mike Morris: Actually the handicap is just on the opposite side of the front door. Slagle: So it's 4? Mike Morris: Yep, and then just 3 of them are designated... Slagle: My only question is this. Is having been a patron many times here, 5:00ish, 6:00ish, il gets pretty crazy. I mean what happens when they fill up? Do you have people just backed up? 34 Planning Commission Meeting - August 19, 2003 Mike Morris: Currently we haven't run into that problem as of yet. Obviously it's a new program. We're really taking recommendations from other stores that are coming into this program. Unfortunately we're going to have some traffic that they will have to walk through the door. Slagle: Can I just ask you to consider opening that fourth as being necessary? Mike Morris: It's definitely in the first two weeks are really kind of our honeymoon weeks. I've got to see where we go on it. Sacchet: Thanks Rich. Bethany, any questions? Any other questions from the applicant? Lillehaug: Do you anticipate leaving those 3 signs in those stalls as well as having the awning sign and the sign, the neon sign so you'll have in respect 5 signs there? Because those signs in front of the parking stall, they do say, it's a larger sign. It says Car Side To Go. 10 minute parking only and they are fairly large signs. Mike Morris: Yeah, currently we're talking, we're considering leaving those there. Shawn Griffin: The only problem is if you get a full size truck like I have a Suburban, you cover that sign. You'll never see it so that's why we have...and the awning above the door. Sacchet: So this is interesting. I was actually curious to understanding how this kind of works. In the ideal case the customer would never come into the restaurant. They would just pull up and based on the video camera you would see the car and know what to bring out and so they would only be there very briefly and go on, in the ideal set-up they would not be really much of an issue because they come and go. Mike Morris: Correct. Sacchet: Now if for some reason those stalls are occupied, they would park somewhere else and walk up in there through that door or how does that work? Mike Morris: Yeah, you can still enter through that door. That's not. Sacchet: But the idea is that's an entrance and exit would just be for the pick-up type of traffic. Mike Morris: ... Sacchet: But the customer could potentially use that door if they want to come tell you they're there and where is it and have you done it yet and is it still warm or whatever. Okay. Mike Morris: Yeah. Sacchet: When they come in there, they actually come in there where the ramp is to go to the restrooms. And I see that it's close to the entrance to the kitchen so that's part of the thinking, the practicality. So where would I go if I come in there, because I couldn't part right in front of it, would I just flag the first waiter or? Slagle: Or cook. 35 Planning Commission Meeting - August 19, 2003 Sacchet: Or walk into the kitchen. Mike Morris: Well actually we have a station set up there where a person can... Sacchet: So there's actually a station there, okay. Okay. Mike Morris: ...so you'll never actually have to enter. Sacchet: Alright, that's what ! wanted to hear, okay. Thank you for answering that. Alright, anything else you want to add from your end? Mike Morris: I don't think so. Sacchet: Thank you very much. Mike Morris: Thank you. Sacchet: Now this is a public hearing so I'll open this for comments from the community. If anybody wants to come forward and address this item, this is your chance. Anybody want to comment to this signage variance? Seeing nobody, I close the hearing. And bring it back to the commission for comments. Who wants to start? Should we start with Kurt? Papke: No issues. Sacchet: No issues? Okay, thanks Kurt. Bruce. Feik: I don't have a problem with it. Sacchet: Okay. Steve. Lillehaug: Quite a few signs. Really it's going to stand out. You're going to know where to park. There's no doubt about that. Sacchet: Are you saying too many signs? Lillehaug: They're right on the bubble. I'm going to stay away from the word drive thru so I won't say that. Sacchet: Yeah, it's not a drive thru. It's a park thru. Alright, thanks Steve. Bethany. Tjomhom: I'm fine with it. Sacchet: You're okay? Rich. Slagle: Totally support it. Great business. The only thing I would add, and I would like to suggest adding as a condition would be that we require those 3, if not parking stalls, to be used for this additional service. I'm going to guess the applicant is going to do that anyway, but I would just hate to drive up and see a line of 6 cars, one after another blocking the entrance as they wait for their to go's. I mean you wouldn't want that either so. 36 Planning Commission Meeting - August 19, 2003 Sacchet: You're saying they should be all 4 designated? Slagle: I'd like to see 4 but I'll rely on their expertise. But I want to see at least the 3 that are currently in place being used. And maybe it's a model to watch for our other two businesses nearby if they run into their congestion problem.. They might want to consider secured parking for pick-up. Sacchet: Okay, thanks Rich. I don't have too much to add. I think those are concerns that are going to be addressed by the applicant. If there's not enough parking it's going to be in your interest to allocate more. So I would think that's in your hands. As a point of, so with that I would like to get a motion. Who would want to make a motion please? Feik: I'll make a motion. Sacchet: Go ahead Bruce. Feik: I move that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Variance #2003-11 to allow a wall sign and a canopy sign to be placed on the north elevation of Applebee's Restaurant with the following conditions, I through 2 with the additional third being at least 3 car stalls adjacent to the entryway shall be designated for, what are we calling this? For car side to go parking. Slagle: Second. Sacchet: We have a motion. We have a second. Feik moved, Slagle seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Variance #2003-11 to allow a wall sign and a canopy sign to be placed on the north elevation of Applebee's Restaurant with the following conditions: 1. The signs must be constructed and installed per drawings submitted on 7/18/03. 2. A building permit must be obtained before installing the awning on the building. o At least 3 car stalls adjacent to the entryway shall be designated for car side to go parking. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. 37