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4. Consider Petition for a No Parking Zone on Choctaw Circle I C ITYOF i V 1 CHANEASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 1 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 OFFICIAL ENGINEERING COPY I MEMORANDUM Received TO: Charles Folch, City Engineer Revision No. I Approved by `y Engineer FROM: Dave Hempel, Sr. Engineering Technician Date 9'23 DATE: September 16, 1992 Approved y City Council Date SUBJ: Update of Request for No Parking Zone on Choctaw Circle 1 PW056E I Attached is a memo from Scott Harr, Public Safety Director, with the results of the September 10, 1992 Public Safety Commission meeting regarding this no parking request. As indicated in the memo, the Public Safety Commission voted to recommend that a 20 -foot 1 section on either side of the beach lot entrance have the foliage cut back to the right -of -way to deal with the concern for visibility and safety, and that the immediate area on either side of the beach lot entrance on that side of the street have No Parking signs posted to increase I and maintain visibility. Staff supports Public Safety's recommendations and also suggests that additional tree trimming and vegetation removal also be performed on the east side of Choctaw Circle adjacent the beach lot entrance to improve visibility around the curve. Staff I will continue to periodically monitor the parking situation and advise accordingly. I It is therefore recommended that the City Council adopt a resolution restricting parking on the west side of Choctaw Circle, 20 feet each way from the existing beach lot access (see Exhibit A) and cutback /remove vegetation within the right -of -way on both sides of Choctaw I Circle adjacent the beach lot entrance to improve visibility. jms 1 Attachment: 1. Exhibit A. I 2. Memo from Scott Harr, Public Safety Director dated September 14, 1992. ktiOn b9 Chi Mrtgrttstrato7 Endorsed ✓A ■ 3. Previous staff report dated July 23, 1992. kiodMe;� ■ Reject c: Ms. Katie Kaaz, President of Lotus Lake Homeowners Association Date 1 " A 3 - 1r — Dete Submitted to Commisso'n II Date Submitted to Council III PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER q — P.i - 40.-" 1 EXHIBIT A N • l' 1 . ii" 1 1 ( t O 1) r , • I i 4 r 9� 8 0 4 . 1 z // 2 ° 28 ii II so 6 /. 32 27 w • o / /... .%:* . - : t ,- CC o .1\ o I 13 • 22 25 ` 34 �� 120 %sa+�s. U ?I 20 19 18 17 16 J GI � � co _ C s ill . B EACH 4...6 4...6 • cc- g •CH • CTAW !CIRCL E 1 ,\ 9 I 8 \ ` 5 4 3 S I / 2 w 1 O.L. A ao• /r> Tv3 .` 0 1 l$3 ' "ix 1 �. os,«otYC. a .e.4,-, ``: 0 0:.c $ 3s. z La • o ♦ . �� • •'I t i { L 1 • 0 1 S T.ITE L+c M!N':ESCT•: f •. 1 PROPOSED INIRuia -- NO PARKING ZONE 9/16/92 1 1 1 ATTACHMENT 1 CITYOF CHANHASSEN' 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX(612)937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Dave Hempel, Senior Engineering Technician FROM: Scott Harr, Public Safety Director S DATE: September 14, 1992 1 SUBJ: Choctaw Parking 1 At the 9/10/92 Public Safety Commission meeting, the Commission voted to recommend that a 20 foot section on either side of the beach lot entrance have foliage cut back to the right -a -way point to deal with the concern for visibility /safety; and, that the immediate area to either side of the beach lot entrance on that side of the street, have no parking signs posted to increase visibility. Thank you for the great deal of work you have put into this. Please let me know if there is anything else you need from us. 1 1 1 1 1 1 No sr PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPE ATTACHMENT 2 1 t l CITYOF 1 : 1 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 1 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 - 5739 y � • ' MEMORANDUM TO: Scott Harr, Public Safety Director FROM: Dave Hempel, Sr. Engineering Technician e DATE: August 5, 1992 • SUBJ: Public Safety Committee Traffic Control Consideration - No Parking Zone, Choctaw Circle PW056e Pursuant to the City Council, this item has been referred back to the Public Safety Commission for reconsideration. The purpose of this memo is to give you some background and further insight to this no parking request. According to the Traffic Engineering Handbook prepared by the Institute of Transportation Engineers, the primary function of any city street is for the movement of vehicles. Parking on city streets must be considered a secondary use of the street space. When the secondary use conflicts with the movement of traffic, it should be altered to improve traffic movement. In all cities, parking usually is restricted in certain sections of the street to aid the movement of traffic. Consideration for no parking zones can theoretically be warranted under three conditions: 1) statutory, 2) roadway capacity, and 3) hazard. • According to the Traffic Engineering Handbook, local streets having a width of less than 16 g � g 8 feet require no parking at all tunes on both sides, even with one -way or occasional two-way 1 traffic. A street width range of 17 to 24 feet generally requires full -time no parking on one side in order to allow vehicles sufficient room to pass one another. A two-way street with ' high traffic volumes and a width of less than 26 feet should have parking prohibited on both sides, whereas street widths with 27 to 31 feet may need to restrict parking on one side of the street. The need for no parking zones is directly related to the parking demand as well ' as traffic volumes on the street. According to the City's street as-builts, Choctaw Circle is 28 feet wide from back -of -curb to back -of -curb. This leaves a driving surface of approximately 26 feet. According to the Traffic Engineering Handbook, parking could be limited to one side. 1 t $ PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER 1 Scott Harr r August 5, 1992 Page 2 1 Upon daily visits to Choctaw Circle this week, I have observed no more than one car each day parking on Choctaw in the general vicinity of 130 Choctaw Circle. There does not appear to be an excessive amount of vehicles parking along Choctaw Circle to warrant a No Parking zone on the basis of roadway capacity. , Applying the hazard aspect of the street, it is a dead -end, low volume residential street with an estimated traffic volume of less than 200 vehicles a day. The City previously installed a 20 m.p.h. speed advisatory curve sign at the beginning of the curve in front of 120 Choctaw Circle. This same area is heavily vegetated with mature trees and bushes with branches extending out over the street. This has contributed significantly to the sight limitations but may be easily resolved with selective tree trimming. The beachlot access is located across from 120 Choctaw Circle. The beach access is a focal point for pedestrian traffic from the area during the summer. ' In conclusion, the warrants for establishment of no parking zones have not been directly met with the exception of some sight limitation which can easily be resolved with selective tree trimming. Traffic volumes along Choctaw Circle are very low due to the dead -end street situation. The number of parked vehicles along Choctaw Circle is very low or non - existent. Although, since the beachlot accesses onto the street in this location, it does appear prudent to restrict parking 20 feet on each side of the access point together with a No Parking Zone along the east side of the street in front of 120 and 130 Choctaw, Circle to maintain adequate sight lines. This will also maintain some on- street parking if desired for the adjacent property owners. jms 1 c: Charles Folch, City Engineer ' Attachment: Proposed No Parking Zones 1 1 1 1 1 i . EXHIBIT A N 1 7 I. 1 1 r t . 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BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 I (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 Action by City Administrator MEMORANDUM Endorsed ✓ DV) A Noditierl TO: Charles Folch, City Engineer Rejecter I Dstp T— 2-3 FROM: Dave Hempel, Sr. Engineering Technician Date Submitted to Commission DATE: July 23, 1992 bete Submitted to Coutx t ' ?� SUBJ: Consider Petition for No Parking Zone on Choctaw Circle 1 Attached is a petition from the Lotus Lake Estates Homeowners Association requesting the City consider two No Parking signs on Choctaw Circle. Staff has reviewed the parking situation and does not feel that there is excessive parking along the street except for an occasional vehicle in the area adjacent to the beachlot access. Although due to the roadway alignment, it is difficult to see oncoming vehicles and pedestrians when other vehicles are parked. On the basis of the petition, it appears the majority of the neighborhood is in favor of establishing a No Parking Zone adjacent the beachlot. Staff also supports the request. Public Safety has reviewed the request and concurs with staff's recommendation. An initial informative letter went out to the neighborhood for a No Parking Zone along the east side of the street adjacent to 120 and 130 Choctaw Circle. However, after further review and conversations with the homeowners association, it appears the No Parking Zone would be appropriate on both sides of the street in front of 120 and 130 Choctaw Circle. I have received a telephone call from the property owner at 120 Choctaw Circle who apparently inadvertently signed the petition. The property owner is actually against the No Parking Zone in front of his residence due to the shortage of parking in his driveway, especially during holidays and special events. He is concerned with safety along the street but believes he is being singled out. T indicated that there are special parking permits issued occasionally for special events through the City's Public Safety department. 1 It is recommended that City Council adopt a resolution establishing a No Parking Zone along both sides of the street in front of 120 and 130 Choctaw Circle as recommended within this staff report. 1 ktm Attachments: 1. Petition from Lotus Lake Homeowners Association dated June 22, 1992. 1 2. Proposed No Parking Zone. 3. Letter from Dave Hempel dated July 13, 1992. 4. Letter from Dave Hempel dated July 21, 1992. 1 c: Ms. Katie Kaaz, President OFFICIAL ENGINEERING COP Lotus Lake Homeowners Association, 155 Choctaw Circle !ciecetved 1 Revision No Approved by City Engineer I Date 7f2,3 /9Z t� A Approved by Cit Council I PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER X TTACHMENT 3 Date — 1 1 LOTUS LAKE ESTATES 1 HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PD. 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QD 1.4 Li L Lgzi2i JUN 25 1992 I ENGINEERING DEPT. -..:: 1 JE 2 5 1S32 ATTACHMENT NO. 1 CITY OF CHANHASSE CITY OF f f HASSEN 11 PETITION JUN 25 1992 i ENGINEERING DEPT. , We, the undersigned, as members of the Lotus Lake Estates Home Owners Association do hereby petition the City of Chanhassen to post two "NO PARKING" signs protecting the entrance to the Lotus Lake Estates Home Owners Association's common beach area. One sign is requested to be I posted just east of 121 Choctaw Circle (adjacent to the beach entrance) and one sign is requested to be posted just east of 120 Choctaw Circle (directly across the street from the beach entrance). 1 RESIDENT'S NAME ADDRESS/ TELEPHONE NUMBER SIGNATURE (PRINT) 1 /X . /Tiz /C f X'z `.5 - - (' AI©ciA YV (_-l/t e, lE - : /36 . .7-,,;t' k4 1 \r.«A T M 7` c\,..,0, 4 0.« C \ t �� \\:\\: ,t e- h( /i! -r . i / ddas e wic X39-65/7 ( ll �` lka4Ic1 LA ti1s6a'L.. 1 1 azer f r y k q,('-o-3�i' ` _ �^ ., 1 / /4 7 :1/ 7 Z7,0,-/-, 6ig7 /),-,/, 0,-,./4_ lac) Cki o � w C \vr. `� 1 , , 4.; &L f `-,. . .4u� 0 7 7 0 -cc(_ 6.4: ci y,,,,_ .. u • `' ' `, -"-./, ' 'ii / / Y �'u ` r ?i �' ^ "'ii.._A C 1 r Cis `'1Q TJ 3 LJ6 ` { ��sJ a( `i. FRO.1 / / / le.; ‘&14/ fel . A ' ,- 41 L . / For: / ...10110..16: 14 '1 l 64 b...)?) P 1 b'75) 3k l ' Oa it N 0 A ,411- , , u,, bX o s- �(t' C e• FAI&,7 -. j _ 3 1 7 I! 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I RESIDENT'S NAME ADDRESS/TELEPHONE NUMBER SIGNATURE I (PRINT) W144/*4 w. mo,erou Fa. 9i C'/fo eT; arfecca 931 so« le/Gil 00 1 14 COQ 1ij i Opt lP 100 2.4cle ei �P 9._9 1 t • �atioll.e, Lava r' 1pq'io caru,le `Ct.'r-et6, WI 255 i 'i j il )4- M l %r 7/ hoc-6114/ C /rcLe. 93 -oRY , ice . %l, e „ 1 Lai • Rei,ei2,y /5" Coo crAw 0,e r3 s- 3fr7V l -- 19-/Y) 4 / 2 4 0 er' G V a - o . 6 : r u / e C, , - 9v j_ in a3 (� ) &1a' o h 15 (-7) &re /e 134 j /3 C-6'.= 1 e'Q /le ei ‘ 705 z3 1 /e_ & ;— 9eis 3 /ys .- a-: it 6,)4 (z. /S c IA. G.�.. i I t i . 5iA w'- 1 i" - / 5 i i - - - .._ , .J l 0 ( ir._ , �/ `% , 5- / /5 " 1 1 /10/ a _I as ckfic ei , t 7 CI r `7 .r/- Q Sc. 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One sign is requested to be I posted just east of 12.1 Choctaw Circle (adjacent to the beach entrance) and one sign is requested to be posted just east of 120 Choctaw Circle (directly across the street from the beach entrance). 1 RESIDENT'S NAME ADDRESS/TELEPHONE NUMBER SIGNATURE (PRINT) 1 Mkcia,E: L A• w G 14 S ci -kocmc■( / 9 4g -3SOS Awt..--kct t- IYI et A - D MOP "I ( ChaJKA Circle, 93 r7 - sp l `fits /it crd ,.) 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' 11 so 6 %� 32 ,� 2 w 12 U 5 CC • I X 33 J 23 U ( - - - /c - la 0 -- - 26 - - —13 = - 4_ 1 1\ ° 22 � \ VACATED PER 120 t533.. u ' -- ? 20 19 18 17 16 J Gt \ 35 2 BEACH 1.1:4 : S 9 j���OCTAW :CIRCL: E S I I • \\ • , 7 6 . 5 4 3 o 1 \ 8 2 a w — ••\ 1 O.L. A 40 •EE I` p r � S � �� 77 u6 3 'd ; =�'a ,/, -- -0 s r wotrE4 a `� 0: 66354 Z : '� - w 1 I �` . l L 1 STATE � M!N':ESi rt 1 PROPOSED ■ ■ ■ •■ ■ ■ ■ ■• ■■ = NO PARKING ZONE 1 1 1 ATTACHMENT 2 CIT'yOF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 r (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 July 13, 1992 1 1 Re: Traffic Control Request - NO PARKING ZONE 120 & 130 Choctaw Circle PW056E Dear Resident: 1 Pursuant to a petition from the neighborhood, the City is considering establishing a NO PARKING ZONE in front of 120 and 130 Choctaw Circle. The City is considering this traffic control due to roadway alignment which makes it difficult to see oncoming vehicles and pedestrians. This item will be considered at the Monday, July 27, 1992 City Council 1 meeting at City Hall at 7:30 p.m. Persons wishing to express their opinions on this item may . be heard before the City Council at that time. If you are unable to attend the City Council meeting and would like to express your viewpoint regarding this consideration, please forward your letters to my attention. On the back side of this letter is a map indicating the proposed NO PARKING zone. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Sincerely, 1 • CITY OF CHANHASSEN G✓ David C. Hempel 1 Sr. Engineering Technician • DCH:jms 1 1 PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER ATTACHMENT NO. 31 i . ,„ EXHIBIT A N 1 1 7 1 . :.\\ 1 � r . 0 9 I` 8 / 4. 0 . 7/ to • I // 30 , 7 �� 28 2' . -. 2 1 31 II 30 6 �/ 32 S ° 27 w / .o J e 1 2 5 . I1 J .,33 J - - -�- - 13 0 - - - -- 26 U 4 .....„.= . 1 I o -----et—, 22 25 - - - - - - - -- IL VS.CATeo 34v f.�.3 120 343.., U • 1 , _- -- '' ?) 20 19 18 17 16 J 44Z \. 35 1 2 (~ Cy OC TAW :CIRCLE 9 '% . D . 1 0 8 al 5 \ 2 -...,_ '\ i O.L. A ,0 •c7 ui / LF :- 1 2c, 7-,...-s , • \. , / 1831515 C 1 o s s WOLTER d a �� . , 0vC 46354 1 , tr i • 0 • 1 1 STaTE or hwv•:ESCTa: .. 1 ■ ■ •■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■111 = NO PARKING ZONE 1 NOTE: NO PARKING ZONE EAST SIDE OF CHOCTAW CIRCLE 1 • , . . CITYOF CHANHASSEN III ,,,,,,.-, iN7,8 4 ,,,,,,..,._,„ .. _ : , _ -•- . 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 • . S. July 21, 1992 1 1 Re: Traffic Control Request - NO PARKING ZONE 1 120 & 130 Choctaw Circle PW056E Dear Resident: 1 �__, 1 This letter is a follow -up from my previous letter dated July 13, 1992 regarding the traffic control request for a NO PARKING ZONETlie map sent with the letter indicated a NO PARKING ZONE along the east side of t , street in front of 120 and 130 Choctaw Circle II when, in fact, the request was for a NO P;, • KING ZONE along both sides of the street. Upon further review, staff continues o suppo our request and will recommend establishing a NO PARKING ZONEon both sides ' f the street in front of 120 and 130 I Choctaw Circle. If you have any further questions, ptease contact me. Sincerely, v, 1 CITY OF CHANHASSEN "• • 1 o ‘ . ,:-•!.- , David C. Hempel -Y.._ - _ _ 1 Sr. Engineering Technician . DCH:jms I F :a 1 1 O. to 0 PRINTED ON RECVC T N O ■ 4 /► ACHMEN City Council Meeting July 27, 1992 1. The applicant shall pay for all recording and attorney fees with the vacation of the easement. I i All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. ca ied I I Don Ashworth: Mr. Mayor? Mayor Chmiel: Yes. ' Don Ashworth: One additional comment and that would be to really suggest to the Boylan's that they do pursue that lawsuit. It sounds to me as though, if anyone comes onto your property and destroys that many trees and that much property, ' puts you in a very strong position to sue them. But secondly, the point was raised that we have a future potential enforcement against this firm which I would agree with and I think we ran into that a few years ago with a particular builder who wasn't doing a very good job. But the only thing that we could hang our hat on with that particular builder were cases where it was demonstrated that he had done a bad job. Simply the inuendoes that he went onto another piece of property. He did something, would not have been sufficient for us to stop that builder from building on another property. Where we had specific documentation where it was shown that he had in fact violated State building laws, we were able to stop him from repeating those things in Chanhassen. Again, I would encourage the Boylan's to go after this individual, which will make our position much easier if he attempts to build in Chanhassen again. Once a conviction has been registered with the Court, we've got something to point to and say, no. We don't want you in our community because this is what you've done to one of our residents from before. I Mayor Chmiel: Very good. Thanks Don. tjt) ' CONSIDER PETITION FOR NO PARKING ZONE ON CHOCTAW CIRCLE. Public Present: Name Address t Jean Hyak 120 Choctaw Circle Katie Kaaz President, Homeowners Association Judy Randall 125 Choctaw Circle 11 Charles Folch: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. As the report explains, staff has received a petition from the Lotus Lake Estates Homeowners Association 11 to establish a No Parking signage on Choctaw Circle adjacent to the beachlot. Staff has reviewed the site and concurs that poor sight lines alone probably merit the request. Staff has also been informed that vehicle parking occurring on this curve is also tending to accentuate the problem. Staff has been contacted by only one resident with some reservations to this proposed restriction. That being the property located at 120 Choctaw. This property owner expressed concerns with parking at times of entertaining during holidays, special events, etc.. Staff believes that these occasional situations can be handled through special parking permit issuance. The Public Safety Department has reviewed this issue and also concurs with the recommendations. Therefore it 11 is recommended that the City Council establish a resolution establishing a no i 21 City Council Meeting - J1 27, 1992 parking zone along both sides of the street on Choctaw in front of 120 and 130 Choctaw Circle. Mayor Chmiel: Okay, thank you. Is there anyone wishing to address that this evening? Would you please come forward and state your name and your address please. Jean Hyak: My name is Jean Hyak and that was my husband who made the complaint. , I do reside at 120 Choctaw Circle. Before you vote on this I would like to ask all of the City Council men and women members, if they've ever been on the street of Choctaw Circle. So then you're aware there is a curve around the corner. When we, when my husband first suggested that it was at the Lotus Lake 1992 annual meeting but he thought it would be the entire curve and not just a portion of it. Basically if you looked at, I think you all have a copy. We have a very large portion that is on the street side. Most of our block is our front. It would be just about, it would be mostly on our house, the no parking zone. The second letter did include that both sides of the street would be included but it isn't very clear. Which houses? This is a copy of the letter. You didn't really say which houses. You just said the opposite street. We have the pie shaped lot and for us to turn, we also have a very difficult driveway so we don't have a lot of parking in our driveway. The most of the parking that we have for guests would be on the street side and when the petition was sent around, it's very easy for people to sign their name on a petition when they don't have to give up anything. We probably have to give up the most. We have 11 a very vested interest in this if it does go through. I have a couple questions that I would like to ask. You did mention that we could get permission for but every time? I mean if somebody stops over at our house. Do we have to get permission every time we have a guest? II Charles Folch: That'd be correct. Any time that you'd want parking to be allowed within the no parking restricted zone, a permit is required. ' Jean Hyak: But what is the permit? What's required for us to actually, come down to City Hall, get a written permission? It's very inconvenient. Charles Folch: Actually it can be done verbally over the phone with the Public Safety Department. They fill out a form and the process is taken through both Public Safety and Engineering for review and it's a pretty straight forward process but it can be handled over the phone. This was a suggestion brought up basically, Dave Hempel my assistant has been in contact with your husband on this matter and from their discussions, Dave had indicated that it seemed like there would only be occasional type guests, family members, relatives, whatever coming over for the holidays and things like that where you'd need to, or additional parking would be needed so from that instance or from that case, certainly our recommendation was well, we can handle it administratively through the permit process. Now if the parking is going to occur more frequently than that, certainly we don't want to be issuing permits once a week to have someone come over and park in front of your house. So I think then something else, either then the issuance of a permit is not the recommended choice at that point. Jean Hyak: Well I have two teenagers and they have many guests. Not many but I II I mean they do have guests and it's not easy to park in our driveway. So would 1 22 II , City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 the no parking be the entire year or maybe just the summer months when there's more traffic and there's more people walking on the street? That's something that was not considered either. And where would the signs be put? I mean do you put them in our front lawn? I mean and how many and on both sides of the II street? How many? s Charles Folch: Typically the signs, depending on the distance, you have at least one on each end of the restricted zone which would have arrows facing the direction towards each other. Depending on length, we'd have to look at it also from a sight line standpoint. If people are going to be able to acknowledge. Can they see the initial sign. Can they see the terminating point. As far as 1 restricting on a seasonal type basis, if anything wintertime conditions in this type of situation where you have a hill and a curve like that are probably at their worst, particular from a snowplowing standpoint, so a seasonal type restriction would probably not apply in this case. If a parking restriction is approved, it should be on a year round basis. Jean Hyak: I also am wondering about how this is going to effect the value of our home if we ever try to sell it. That there's no parking in front of our home. This isn't just something that we have to consider today. It's also later on. Mayor Chmiel: Maybe if I could just interject something. I have no parking signs by my home and I have had for the past 13, maybe 14 years. And I'm not sure how much depth you have for your parking or within your driveway in itself to accommodate numbers of cars. I know that I can probably park at least 8 cars in the driveway. Never be able to get out of mine but I don't know what your situation is. But anytime that we do have numbers of people coming, I do the same thing. I call Public Safety and say, I'm having guests and I'd like to make sure that none of my guests get any tickets for that particular timeframe. And it's always been accommodated. I don't know if there's, we face this issue so many times over and over again on this no parking situation. Jean Hyak: I know it's a real dilemma because everyone wants to have a safe neighborhood and we're not questioning that at all but I know, I think it was ' about a year or so we did put a lower speed limit at the bottom of the hill but it was never put on the top and I've seen most people in our neighborhood probably drive a little bit faster than they should coming down the street at 1 one time or another and sometimes it's not just not having the cars there. .It's because they're driving too fast. Mayor Chmiel: It should probably be up at the top of the hill as well as the bottom. More so at the top because that's where you gain your speed. Jean Hyak: But actually, I would like to see even a bigger portion of the 1 curve, if it's going to be no parking, a bigger portion because there is still blind spots that would be excluded from the no parking area. If you're going to put in no parking, put the whole curve in and not just a portion of it. Mayor Chmiel: With that going into a cul -de -sac, you're not going to get a whole lot of people driving it. Secondly, if all the residents within that particular neighborhood would pay attention to those speed limits, then of course you wouldn't have that problem but they, just like I become lackadaisical 1 23 1 City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 and they're just not thinking at that particular time. Of driving maybe 30 as opposed to 25. Whatever it might be. But with that beachlot access portion, to have a no parking in and adjacent to all those lots why, there must be some other kind of signage that we could maybe even do. I'm thinking of putting no parking from point to point within that one particular side where the beachlot access is. I think it's a safety portion right there seeing people coming and going. Or the kids going from that beachlot. Can other signages be put within that area or is this the best way in your opinion that it can be done? Charles Folch: As far as other signage, again I guess it would be, I'm not sure that there is other type of signage but certainly one of the things that we'd have to consider with another alternative such as an advisory type sign, is whether we're going to get conformance or not. No parking is a regulatory type sign. It can be enforced by law. An advisory type such as caution, access. Things like that certainly, we could take a look at putting up but whether it will actually have an impact on a motorist is not known. Initially when we received the petition, we assumed that the request, and maybe incorrectly we assumed that the request was to establish the no parking only on the outside or west side of the curve. We found that not to be the case as when we sent follow up letters to the residents. Their specific concern was as it relates to the inside of the curve when a car is coming down, your sight lines are more restricted on the inside of the curve than they are on the outside. Of course your point is very well taken that cars parking on the west side with people, adults, kids coming from the beachlot and getting into cars certainly does present a hazard in itself. From a safety standpoint it does have merits. If we were to establish a no parking attachment to or Exhibit A in your packet shows the revised or current proposed no parking zone scheme which would cover Lots 33, 34, 35, 21 and 22 and 9 and 8. The only other suggestion I would have as it relates to needing to park is there's no restriction in front of Lot 20 II! which is adjacent to Lot 21 or the property address 120 Choctaw. Parking could certainly occur down there and with a little bit of a walk, could access the property. The feeling, the consensus from a majority of the people was that they were concerned about both sides of the curve in that area. Mayor Chmiel: Yes, I can see that. And of course you're looking at, there's not too many lots that goes in the cul -de -sac. If it was a thoroughfare going straight through, then of course I could see it more so. But it looks like it's a policing, especially for the people who live there themselves to really pay attention to what's happening and I'm sure that you do get people coming from friends or whoever might come to visit the other people but total numbers is sort of, you sit back and you really wonder whether this is the right way to go and safety is an issue and I don't disagree with that. But is there some other way is I guess what I was saying. 1 Jean Hyak: I have a letter from a neighbor that I would like to read. Oh, well then I'll let her read it herself. 1 Councilman Wing: Before you go. Councilwoman Dimler: Yeah, I have a question too. 1 Councilman Wing: Ursula. 24 1 1 11 City Council Meeting - Ju'" 27, 1992 Councilwoman Dimler: You mentioned you have teenagers. If they're anything II ( like mine, they want their own vehicles and how many vehicles do you have? Jean Hyak: We have 3 vehicles and a boat. Councilwoman Dimler: You probably already have double parking in your driveway? Jean Hyak: We have a two car garage and if anybody is on Choctaw Circle, please look at 120 Choctaw Circle driveway. It is terrible. We cannot get 8 cars. Councilwoman Dimler: So are you able to park all of your own vehicles plus your boat in there now? Jean Hyak: Well, we get 2 in the garage and one in the driveway, yeah. Dur own vehicles but not very many more. Councilwoman Dimler: If anyone else gets another vehicle then. Jean Hyak: Probably one more in the driveway. It's not an easy driveway and I know this is not an easy solution to the problem. I will be the first to admit it. 11 Councilman Mason: I guess what I'm hearing you say Don is that if it was a thru street, this no parking thing is a real legitimate concern. But it's not. And I mean there are a number of names that are on this petition but like you said, how many people on this petition are affected directly by the no parking? I think that's maybe a bigger issue here. These folks on Brule Circle, I understand how they might feel but let's face it, it's not an issue,for them one way or the other. Yeah, sure I don't care. I'll sign it. I'm sympathetic to what you're saying. 11 Jean Hyak: I wish I did have a solution... Councilman Mason: Sure. Jean Hyak: It is a dead end street. Councilman Mason: Right. Mayor Chmiel: Right. Thank you. I had someone else raise their hand. Katie Kaaz: My name is Katie Kaaz and I'm President of the Homeowners Association on Choctaw. In regards to a couple of your comments. First off regarding the Brule Circle people. They're very much affected because people are up and down the street constantly. They carpool. They have children play 11 in the street. They play with other people. They play with other children and it's not, they're not just isolated to Brule. It's a very friendly, two streets that do a lot together believe me. The petition went around. You were asking about the addresses and where the signs, where we requested they put the signs. That is on our original petition. I don't know if you have a copy of that or not but if you're wondering where we were requesting the signs, it's on the ' original request. Okay. That's all I have. 1 25 City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 Judy Randall: Hi. I'm Judy Randall and I live at 125 Choctaw. A no parking sign appears to be a simple solution to a dangerous situation, and it is a very dangerous situation. But I feel the long range effects could bring a lot more aggravation to the neighborhood and not solve the problem of people from both within the neighborhood and outsiders driving too fast around a dangerous curve. My suggestion would be to construct speed bumps, about three of them around that curve to force people to go 10 mph. You've got, as Katie said, we've got too many children on the street and the beach and people, they go fast around that curve. I can't say who does it or what because I'm kind of isolated but I hear the cars whizzing by and I just would like to make that suggestion. Mayor Chmiel: Could I just interject something with that? Speed bumps I think do control the speed of the vehicles. We have problems with it from a city standpoint of plowing those particular streets during the winter. Secondly, by putting speed bumps in by the City, we have been liable for any problems that are incurred from a vehicle driving too fast or whatever. So there's some litigation that comes from that particular standpoint where we're liable for any problems that may occur to a vehicle. So speed bumps are, I don't disagree with you at all but it does give us, puts us in a very precarious position. , Judy Randall: Just a suggestion. Councilman Wing: Now are you an effected homeowner here? i Judy Randall: I believe I am. I have a level driveway so it's not quite the problem but what I see is eventually people having to park farther up and down the street and aggravation. Councilman Wing: But what I need to know in relationship to the first lady who I/ spoke, where's your home? Judy Randall: Diagonally across the street. Councilman Wing: It intrigues me because there's a very large number of people have signed this petition. Clearly the majority. Judy Randall: Oh yeah, I did too. 11 Councilman Wing: You did too? Judy Randall: I did too. As I say, it appears to be a real simple solution. Yeah, sure. That would be the thing to do but as thinking about it, I can see where it could be a problem farther on down the road and when you're forcing people, as they just said, to sue. In the wintertime if people have to walk 2 or 3 houses down to your house, we're on a hill and it's slippery and even though the City does take good care of our streets, it still is very icy on that street to come down the hill. Councilman Wing: Any signs we put up are then going to put the traffic either to the east or the north. I mean cars are still going to park someplace. If not in someone else's...I'm surprised they're not complaining about pushing the parking to their house. 26 1 I City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 Judy Randall: At this point they're not. II I Councilman Wing: The people in Brule Circle are not effected. They are not going to have parking signs in front of their house. They're going to have the benefit of what's going to occur to these other people. It has nothing to do t t with children playing in the street. It's a mechanical sign placed in front of your house that doesn't allow you to park in front of your house. Brule is not going to have that restriction so I would certainly sign this petition. But Charles what about, I look at Minnewashta Parkway and Linden Circle with that 60 homes going to that beach on the curve. One of the worst spots we've got. Probably worse than this one by far. And we've looked at a stop sign there. What if this was simply stop signs with a crosswalk there so that traffic had to stop at that beach? Do the neighbors want that? Could we just simply put up a stop sign to slow traffic down and forget trying to cut the parking? Charles Folch: The Minnewashta Parkway crossing, if I remember correctly, there's a crossing that's proposed near Linden is a specific walkway crossing. There's a trail on the west side of Minnewashta Parkway north of that area which then would switch us over to the east side of the roadway. That has a specific purpose. Designated crossing. At this location here, there would have to be, if we follow uniform traffic control manual as we are supposed to by law, there would have to be a certain number of pedestrians that would be using a crossing 11 at that location on a given 8 hour or daily interval basis to actually warrant the installation of stop signs. We'd have to check. Off the cuff I really doubt that there'd be that many pedestrians that would be crossing there to make it legally warranted, the installation of a stop sign. Councilman Wing: The other question, how do you feel about parking signs which in fact is going to keep all this beach parking away from your house. It's 11` going to spread it into the neighborhood and you're not going to have to deal with parking? I wanted to ask her about the parking. Is that an advantage to you? r Jean Hyak: I think that it's good and bad. Katie Kaaz: ...people that go to the beach, they walk. Nobody takes their car, they walk. Couuncilman Wing: I was just curious. I didn't mean to cut you off. Mayor Chmiel: That's the physical fitness aspect of getting people to utilize it. Katie Kaaz: ...beach access there, the beach access. We put that on there as an identifying location. It's not there's so much traffic, foot traffic in and out. It's the location and where it is on the street. That's the issue. 1 Mayor Chmiel: If it's anything like our's, it's the same thing. Thank you. Little problems become big problems. I know that Public Safety has looked at this and of course I sit on that as well but I wasn't at the last meeting they had discussion of this. Councilman Workman: They have looked at this? I didn't see any report. 27 11 City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 Mayor Chmiel: It's my understanding they did. Charles Folch: Public Safety has reviewed this. 11 Councilman Workman: What did they think? I mean I would think that would be valuable to us. , Councilwoman Dimler: Right. Where's the report? Charles Folch: I was not at that meeting also and I don't have Scott here tonight to address that but it was, the verbage from Scott was that the Public Safety Department supported this recommendation. 1 Councilman Wing: Mr. Mayor, I was at that meeting also and it's my opinion that no one from the Commission was out and necessarily looked at this. It was discussed casually. Probably with less interest and less intensity than we have tonight so I'd discount that recommendation on this particular issue. If they had been out there and reviewed this and studied it and looked at options and could give us that information like Planning Commission might have. 1 Mayor Chmiel: That's our suggestion. Let's put it back to them. Come up with a conclusion as to maybe another way of doing it or if this is what they feel is absolutely necessary, then we may have to do it. Councilman Wing: I think that's the Commission's job. I think to just sit there and discuss this for 5 minutes and recommend to the Council means nothing to me. I think they deserve to go out and talk to the neighbors and see the neighborhood and in fact give us a reasonable recommendation with options. That's their job. I think it should be dumped in their lap frankly, not ours. Councilwoman Dimler: And have they done a speed check there? Like they did on Frontier Trail. Mayor Chmiel: No, but we can do that. Councilwoman Dimler: I think we need to do that. 11 Mayor Chmiel: We can do that. We can get our radar portions out there with the digital readout making the residents aware of the speeds that they are driving. 1 • Councilman Mason: And I'd like to have our CSO's out there occasionally and getting their input on what kind of problem there really is. Katie Kaaz: One comment. One thing that I wanted just to clarify. I think there is a speed commission or safety commission report because I think it was mailed to me. I have an envelope there that I didn't get opened today because I had company. But when we submitted our original petition for the no parking on either side of the street, and then I heard from Mr. Hempel via letter that they were recommending that they put it only on the, I don't know the east side of the street going up the hill. After going back over it again, the members of the board and the neighbors talked it over and it really, and it was Mr. Hyak that recommended, he said it really is not going to work to do no parking on one side of the street because if you have a no parking on the east bound, on the 1 28 1 1 City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 11 east side of the street, you're you re going up the hill. I think as you re coming down, people that'can't park on the east side are going to park on the other II { side and you're going to have to go around those cars right at the curve. So if people come out, I mean they need to really take a look at different things like that. I mean the only thing that we can see that's going to work and the only reason that we're here is because we have almost had some terrible accidents. We're trying to, in a simple way, we're trying to avoid that. But that's why we think the no parking on either side of the road is really the only viable answer because of the fact that you cannot see when you're coming around the curve. Councilman Wing: Mr. Mayor. If "I could just make a comment from my years on Public Safety, and I'm sure you'd echo my sentiments. I think the Council intends to move on this and do what's best but I think it really behooves everyone that we move slowly. Not impulsively and make sure we have all the facts. So I guess I can promise you that something will occur here. You'll probably get your no parking signs. I'll just make that assumption but only in point of time. But in the meanwhile, the interim period, I think that as President of the Homeowners Association, it's your responsibility to alert them 1/ to the fact that it's before the Council. You've identified a crisis situation. A dangerous situation and police yourselves. You know so many times when we do these studies on these roads and the police come out and tag they come back and say, if just the neighbors would slow down and just the neighbors would police themselves, it would resolve the problem. Katie Kaaz: The neighbors on Brule and Choctaw are extremely aware of the problem and we do more policing than you want to know about. Believe me. Councilman Wing: Because that will be the interim fix you know. Councilman Workman: Mr. Mayor, this is kind of a rare situation and maybe Richard's trying to get at it a little bit. We usually have a problem with speed through neighborhoods where somebody lives between a neighborhood and this neighborhood over here and they're driving through another neighborhood and so this is a little bit different for a cul -de -sac situation to have this problem. Jean Hyak: We have 43 houses with teenagers and their friends. That's what you've got...because it's a cul -de -sac the kids come in and they make a spin all the way around and you have 40 houses, most of which have teenagers. See so they don't even have that thru access and they just pass on through the neighborhood. They have to go around for a couple of times. • Katie Kaaz: And we suggest that you come out and sit on the curves by yourself a while and see what happens. The trees also grow out over the street in various places. Councilman Workman: But putting the no parking signs doesn't slow them down. Katie Kaaz: No. No, we're saying when I come around a curve I'm not going to run into a boat, a trailer, a car and I'm not singling any homeowner out by any means. But when you come around that curve, if you're in your lane of traffic and you take your eye off the road for one second, you could very well plow into the back of a car because it's right there on the curve. i i 29 1 City Council Meeting - July '7, 1992 Mayor Chmiel: When's the next Public Safety? 1 Don Ashworth: I'm not sure. Scott is gone. Why don't I make sure that Scott informs the neighborhood of when it will be. It may not give notices out in the packet. He may not be able to do it yet in July. It will probably be August. • Mayor Chmiel: Yeah, it would be in August. It would have to be in August. It's the last Monday of the month. Yeah. He would probably try to, let's see we have the first and third which is the 17th of August and then Public Safety meets after that. I think it's the 20th. Councilman Wing: I think it's the 13th. • Mayor Chmiel: Is it the 13th or 20th? Councilman Wing: I think it's the 13th. Mayor Chmiel: I don't have my appointment book here. Okay, so it's the 13th we could, that would be alright to get it back on the agenda for the 17th of August. Don Ashworth: You wouldn't have their Minutes. 1 Councilman Wing: No, but they could certainly be here in person to make their recommendation. 1 Don Ashworth: I would also be advertising it in advance of them. If, I always worry about this like with the Planning Commission. You do an advertisement in advance of when somebody meets and then for some reason they end up tabling action to research something more. ...neighborhood then comes to City Council expecting action. You really can't act because Public Safety hasn't acted. Mayor Chmiel: Well those are sometimes the pitfalls of it but I think what we want to do is make sure what we're going to do is the right decision for the particular neighborhood. , Don Ashworth: That's what I'm saying. It may be best to have the Public Safety meeting let's say the 13th or 20th of August with this item reappearing on the first meeting in September. Mayor Chmiel: Prolonging the issue and it's been there for a long time. Don Ashworth: You could do it the second meeting but again, Public Safety would have to finish their recommendation and have to verbally present their report. Mayor Chmiel: Are we going to have our September meeting on the 14th of 1 September because Labor Day falls on the first Monday? Don Ashworth: I'm sure. r Mayor Chmiel: Okay, so it would be then on the 14th of September. 30 1 City Council Meeting - .ly 27, 1992 Councilman Workman: While we're thinking, can I ask a question? Maybe I can ask Mrs. Kaaz. Does your neighborhood have enforceable covenants? Your II association. In other words, if you live in this neighborhood you've got to have all natural siding or you've got to have a certain kind of shingle. You don't have any kind of a covenant system there? Katie Kaaz: We have covenants yes, but not that... Councilman Workman: I mean is there any way that the same people who signed the petition might say, I lived in a neighborhood where absolutely nobody, it was a townhome situation where nobody can park, leave their cars in the driveway. They ' all have to be in the garage. No parking anywhere. It was really nice. Is that something that? 11 Katie Kaaz: We have looked into changing a number of things possibly in our... and we have been speaking with lawyers and we realize that...and we really can't dictate to people after they've moved in what they can and cannot do. What is not covered in the original covenants. I mean if we want to hire a lawyer to redo our whole thing, we have to take people as they move in. You can't redo it after they've already moved in. At least that's our opinion. And you keep saying most the people. Most, the only reason that everybody on Choctaw and Brule and isn't on that petition is that I didn't get to them. I mean they were all going to sign it and. Councilman Workman: No, I'm not questioning the petition. Katie Kaaz: ...point I wanted to make. ...covenants really aren't that restrictive. Councilman Workman: Where I lived they were. Katie Kaaz: I know there are a lot of areas. We looked into a lot of By- laws... ' Councilman Workman: Yeah, no. You're point about doing it after the fact probably would not make, or grandfathering. Mayor Chmiel: Okay, I'd like to make that motion that we refer this back to Public Safety with review and bring it back to Council on or before September the 14th meeting. Katie Kaaz: Can I just make one more point? I'm pretty sure there is already a safety report or a report by the Safety Commission. If you don't have it in your hands but I think it's been done. Mayor Chmiel: Yes. Richard has indicated but it didn't take very much decision making to look at it. They didn't go out and look. And that may be the problem, and I'm not sure whether that was or wasn't. Katie Kaaz: I was under the impression they had been out. 11 Mayor Chmiel: But with that, I think this is basically what we should do so we have the right decision there or if there's another way of eliminating the ' 31 1 City Council Meeting - July 27, 1992 problem that exists now. I'd like to go with that too, whatever it might be and I don't have the foggiest idea. Katie Kaaz: We invite you out. Mayor Chmiel: Thank you. We'll probably be there. Okay, so with that, is II 1 there a second? Councilwoman Dimler: Second. ' Mayor Chmiel Moved, Councilwoman Dialer seconded to table the peti tion for a No Parking Zone on Choctaw Circle until on or before the City Council meeting on September 14, 1992 and refer it back to the Public Safety Commission for further review. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. NORTH HIGHWAY 5 FRONTAGE ROAD CONSTRUCTION. COUNTY ROAD 17 TO HIGHWAY 41. JOINT 1 POWERS AGREEMENT WITH STATE OF MINNESOTA. Don Ashworth: This item, number one acknowledges the work that has been completed by 8i11 Morrish through the University and working back with Housing and Redevelopment Authority, City Council and even with Planning Commission in looking at tow we are going to accommodate traffic and what is going to happen to our community as a result of widening of Highway 5 from 17 to 41. That segment of roadway will be built by MnDot. What the vision or plan calls for are frontage roads on both the south side of Highway 5 as well as the north side. The south side of Highway 5 will be, the frontage roads will be some distance back from the main lane highway. 500 to 600 feet and it's reasonable to assume that those will be built and can be built as requirements back on the developers of those individual pieces, whether it be Ryan, Opus, or any pieces from 17 to 41. Of concern has been how frontage road construction could occur on the north side of Highway 5. How we could incorporate into that the landscaped areas that had been called for in the Morrish plan. How again that that could in fact be paid for. The community will have a real problem in terms of trying to get access to and from Lake Ann Park. Especially the expansion of Highway 5 and righted roadway. We've carried out a lot of discussions with MnDot. They are at the point that if the City would ask them to carry out the construction of that north frontage road as a part of the main line construction, they have looked at it from the standpoint of congestion relief as a part of Highway 5 construction itself. Insuring that Highway 5 is not overburdened by what I'll call local trips. In Eden Prairie it's very difficult' to get from one part of the community to the other unless you go out to Highway 5. The vision for either the frontage roads on the north or the south is to insure that local residents living in the 41 area do not have to take and take Highway 5 to make a trip back into downtown but in fact would have a frontage road bringing them directly into the community. Again, under the new Federal legislation, what's referred to as Ice Tea dollars could be made available for the construction of that roadway and again Mnpot would do it as a part of the Highway 5 construction itself. What they have requested is that we place, send a letter to them acknowledging our request to have them include that north frontage road as a part of the mainline construction. We literally would be funding the initial design portion. They are very concerned that, the only thing that they're apprehensive about, there's two areas that they're apprehensive about. Number one is construction of that frontage road through 1 32 ' 11 . City Council Meeting - 'oily 27, 1992 Lake Ann Park. That was funded by Federal dollars and you get into separate Federal agencies and if you attempted to have the State carry out the constructin of that north frontage road through the park property, it would 11 assuredly delay the main lane construction by 2 to 3 years. They would propose construction of the north frontage road from Audubon to 41 and ask that the City of Chanhassen actually carry out the north frontage road construction from 17 to Audubon. If we were to be in control of that segment, they would do it as a joint powers agreement where their contractor would literally do the work but they would not be interceding any Ice Tea dollars then as a part of that portion of the project. Those would come under local control. Number two. To date the bridge construction and the Morrish and even our own comprehensive plan showed a pedestrian crossing under Highway 5 at the new location for a school. That would be approximately in the area of CR 117... We had originally proposed that 1 they construct a bridge in that location. Bridges are very expensive. One to two million dollars each. They have come back and stated a lot of concern with bridges because of their standards for maintenance of the decking as well as the structure itself holding up the bridge. They would propose instead, and I'm 1 unaware where they have done this anywhere else. Modification of their typical design where they would install two, and understand that is going to be a divided roadway so you have westbound traffic, a space inbetween and you have eastbound Highway 5. So you in fact would have two bridges or in this case a culvert but it will look just like a bridge. It will be 12 foot in height and 34 foot across. Instead of simply sloping away from the culvert like you might have with just a culvert going underneath the roadway, they would actually build 11 an embankment. A concrete section that would go that entire length so you would look at that and it would look as though it's a bridge. No one would really know that this is not a bridge. Again, in a letter to them they would ask that we request that type of construction and they have assured us they will agree to that. The third area that would be different from the discussions that have occurred to date would be that they would like to see Park Place, Park Road. 11 The roadway currently going into the business park and the proposed access, that one of the access points or the only access right now for Lake Ann Park be a right in, right out. That would recognize that the new construction would include then the frontage road and so that those people living within the community, if they wanted to take Highway 5 from the main portion of town, they would have a free right coming into Lake Ann but on their return, they would take the frontage road back to the main portion. Those people living to the west would, and there'd be signals at Audubon, would get onto the north frontage road, go into Lake Ann that way. If they wanted to go home using the free right out at Park Road, they would. This item was also presented to the HRA recognizing that they'll be a major funding source associated with what would be the local share for the north frontage road from CR 17 to Audubon and also for design costs. They very much favored the desire to see a north frontage road constructed but also are concerned or were concerned that each of the neighbors who may not have been involved with the work that's been completed by the Planning Commission, Council and HRA during the past two years, may not be fully aware of what is encompassed by this, either the north or south frontage roads or the entire design concept that has been looked at during these last 2 years. We have a separate committee, citizens committee which is similarly starting, will be starting a series of meetings with those same residents to show them the same set of plans. But the HRA's action was, even in advance of the other citizens committee starting the meetings, that staff should notify each of those owners of the proposed design, invite them into a series of meetings and that 33