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FROM: Todd Gerhardt, Asst. City Manager .1/? ( z-
DATE: February 3, 1992 _ .3(? / 9 L _
1 SUBJ: Modification No. 11 of the Redevelopment Tax Increment Financing Plan
Attached for your consideration is Modification No. 11 to the City's Redevelopment and TIF
Plan for the redevelopment area which includes the downtown and Chanhassen Lakes
Business Park. The HRA is amending this plan to consider the following proposed projects:
1. Construction of Central Park.. -
2. Construction of a Senior Housing.
I 3. Construction of a Public Library.
4. Expansion of Heritage Square Park.
5. Acquisition of Hanus Building.
I 6. Construction of a Senior Center.
7. Construction of West 78th Street Detachment.
8. Highway 5 Improvement /Entry Features.
1 9. Depot Relocation /Restoration.
Based on these projects, under state law the Planning Commission must find that the
I Modification being proposed are consistent with the city's plan for development of the City
of Chanhassen as a whole. In staff's review of the proposed projects being consider and
their locations represents the best use for these areas.
1 PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE
I On February 19, 1992, the Planning Commission unanimously approved staff's
recommendation.
I RECOMMENDATION
Staff would recommend that the City Council adopt the following motion:
I '"The City Council adopts the attached resolution adopting Modification No. 11 of ty p p g o the
Redevelopment Plan and TIF P1� for the Chanhassen Redevelopment Project."
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ATTACHMENTS
1. Plan Modification
2. Resolution.
3. Planning Commission Minutes dated February 19, 1992.
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CITY OF CHANHASSEN
CARVER AND HENNEPIN COUNTIES, MINNESOTA 11
RESOLUTION 11
Date Resolution No. I�
Motion By Seconded By
RESOLUTION APPROVING MODIFICATION NO. 11 TO
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THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN FOR THE
CHANHASSEN DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT
BE IT RESOLVED By the City Council (the Council) of the City of
Chanhassen, Minnesota (the City) as follows:
Section 1. Recitals.
1.01. The Housing and Redevelopment Authority in and for the City of
Chanhassen (Authority) and the City Council of the City of Chanhassen (City)
approved a redevelopment project for the downtown Chanhassen area (Project) and
adopted a redevelopment plan and tax increment financing plan (Plan) for same on
November 29, 1977, and December 19, 1977, respectively.
1.02. Due to changes in the focus of the Plan and alterations in the
boundaries of the Project, the Plan has been the subject of ten modifications since
its adoption in 1977.
1.03. Changes in the nature of the public and private improvements to be
constructed in the Project has prompted the need for another modification to the
Plan.
1.04. In response to these changes, the Authority has authorized the
preparation of a modified Plan, which is contained in a document entitled "Tax
Increment Financing Plan for Downtown Chanhassen Redevelopment Area, City of
Chanhassen Modification No. 11," dated March 9, 1992, and now on file with the city
clerk.
1.05. In accordance with Minnesota Statutes Section 469.174 through 469.179
(TIF Act), the modified Plan was referred to the Chanhassen planning commission
which on February _ , 1992, found that it conforms to and is not in conflict with the
general plan for redevelopment of the City as a whole.
1.06. The Authority on February , 1992, approved the modified Plan for
the Project and referred it to the city council for public hearing and consideration
as provided by the TIF Act.
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1.07. Copies of the modified Plan have been forwarded to Independent School
District No. 112 and Carver County along with a notice of a public hearing to be held
by the City as required by the TIF Act.
' 1.08. This Council has fully reviewed the contents of the modified Plan and
has this date conducted a public hearing thereon at which the views of all interested
persons were heard.
1 Section 2. Findings ; Tax Increment Financing District.
2.01. It is found and determined that it is necessary and desirable to the
1 sound and orderly development and redevelopment of the Project and the City as a
whole, and for the protection and preservation of the public health, safety, and
general welfare, and the authority of the TIF Act be exercised by the Authority and
the City to provide public financial assistance within the Project.
2.02. It is further found and determined, and it is the reasoned opinion of the
Authority and the City, that the redevelopment proposed in the modified Plan could
' not reasonably be expected to occur solely through private investment within the
reasonably foreseeable future and that therefore the use of tax increment financing
is necessary.
2.03. The modified Plan conforms to the general plan for redevelopment of the
City as a whole.
} 2.04. The proposed public improvements to be financed largely through tax
increment financing are necessary to permit the City to realize the full potential of
the Project in terms of development intensity, employment opportunities and tax
1 base.
2.05. The modified Plan will afford maximum opportunity, consistent with the
• sound needs of the City as a whole, for the redevelopment of the Project by private
enterprise.
' 2.06. Nothing contained herein constitutes an election on the part of the
Authority or City to proceed with the Project under Sections 469.174 through 469.178
of the TIF Act, except to the extent required by Section 469.179.
1 Section 3. Adoption of Modification No. 11; Filing.
3.01. The modified Plan is hereby approved and adopted. The modified Plan
' incorporates by reference the original Plan and all subsequent amendments thereto,
except as the modified Plan explicitly or by reasonably necessary implication
conflicts with the original Plan or any of the first ten amendments thereto.
1 3.02. The geographic boundaries of the TIF District are not affected by this
modification and are as described in the Plan, as previously modified. The Project
area has been expanded with this modification and the new boundaries of the Project
1 area are as shown on figure 1 of the modified Plan.
3.03. The Authority is requested to file a copy of the modified Plan with the
Minnesota commissioner of trade and economic development as required by the TIF
Act.
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3.04. The City may at the appropriate time take action to issue and sell its
general obligation bonds pursuant to the TIF Act to finance public redevelopment
costs identified in the modified Plan.
3.05. The city clerk is authorized and directed to transmit a certified copy
of this resolution to the Authority.
DATED: March 9, 1992.
Donald Chmiel, Mayor
ATTEST:
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II Batzli: If you got the roadway back. .
1 Krauss: Well, you've got the roadway and you've also got your lift station
that's going to be here or here and you've got a forcemain that's going to
come up this way and another one that's being split up that way and you've
really got to wrap that area to build those lines.
II Batzli: Jeff, I cut you off earlier. Did you have another question?
1 Farmakes: No. It didn't pertain exactly to , this. I guess a lot of what
if questions.
1 Batzli: Does anybody else have any comments? Questions? Motions?
Conrad: I make a motion the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 92 -2,
finding that modification of the program for Development District No. 2,
1 Modification of Plan for Tax Increment Financing District No. 2 -1 and the
creation of a new plan for the Tax Increment Financing District No. 2 -2.
II Emmings: Second.
Resolution #92 -2: Conrad moved, Emmings seconded to adopt Resolution No.
492 -2 finding that Modification of the program for Development District No.
II 2, Modification of Plan for Tax Increment Financing District No. 2 -1; and
the creation of a new plan for Tax Increment Financing District No. 2 -2.
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
1 ADOPT RESOLUTION STATING THAT MODIFICATION NO. 11 TO REDEVELOPMENT AND TAX
ir INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
Gerhardt: The second item in front of you tonight is what we call the
Redevelopment Tax Increment District. On the back of your report you'll
notice that some of the newer members...but the district boundaries for the
II redevelopment district follow the dark line, go up TH 101, follow TH 5, go
around the Taco Shoppe, come back down West 78th Street, go down along St.
Hubert's, goes around the new Heritage Square Apartments and then follows
1 along the parking lot behind the Riv and behind the Town Square Center and °
then follows back up and go, divides the school property and the fire
station and then takes into account the West Village Apartments over here.
1 And then follows due west and then the boundary is being modified in this
location here. With the TH 5 upgrade, the City is going to'have to build a
new service road to get to Lake Ann Park. We're proposing to use tax
increment dollars to build that service road because they're going to close
1 off our entrance off of TH 5. There will be a new service road that will
go along there.
II Krauss: It's part of the collector, frontage road system that you have on
your Comp Plan.
II Batzli: So this isn't just an access road. This is actually the road that
will be the.
Krauss: The first leg of that road.
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Batzli: Yeah, okay. 1
Farmakes: How does that fit into the corridor plan?
Krauss: I think the corridor plan is going to have some role to play in
where we put that road and how we build it. Do you displace it? I mean we
know where it's got to pick up on 78th Street.
Gerhardt: Well the big thing you've got here is that you don't have much
of a choice for this corridor. You've got some huge wetlands over on this
site and there's really one path.
Krauss: Around the south end. We don't control all the land yet do we?
Gerhardt: No. We'd have to condemn to get the right -of -way but that's a 1
future problem. So does everybody feel pretty good of where the boundaries
are? '
Batzli: Does this then include City Hall?
Gerhardt: Yes. '
Batzli: Did it previously?
Gerhardt: Yes. So the only modification to the boundary and this again, 1
we can only capture the increment within this area but we've expanded the
boundary so that means we can spend the increment from within the district
outside into the project area. Again this is Modification No. 11. This
plan was adopted back in 1978 by the Housing and Redevelopment Authority.
And there's been 10 modifications up to this one since that time. There's
a list of 9 items in front of you that the HRA is going to undertake here
in the next couple of years in the downtown area and along TH 5. The first
of that is the construction of a center park out in front of City Hall.
There's been 3 to 4 public hearings on the concept of building a park in '
front of City Hall. This is one schematic design for it. It's not going
to look like this. This is the best rendering we have to date but they're
really doing some interesting things in this area here and taking into
account sort of a bandshell type of effect, the two sided bandshell. Wanted'
to take advantage of the hillside for what I'll say is the smaller event
and then for some of the larger events, the 4th of July that you would use
the opposite side where the larger gathering would take place and your
• concerts in the park and things of that sort. There's been some discussion'
that there may be too many trees in the plan so it sounds like every other
tree will be coming out of here. This road alignment through this area, II
you'll notice that we're taking out the West 79th or Coulter. The road
that goes to the south of City Hall. That will be vacated. The City would
have to come in and acquire the 3 lots in this location. Demolish the bank
building and relocate those tenants and then take the road out and then j
realign that road that would come through this location here. We've done
other drawings of how that would work: Right now it looks like it goes
right through a parking lot and that's not how it's going to lay out. It II
will be a road through that area. There will probably be future dollars
spent by the Park and Rec to buy additional lands up here because you're
going to relocate a softball field in this area. That's one of the
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11 projects that the HRA is undertaking. A second is the construction of a
senior housing project. There's been talk and Paul's done a couple of
studies on a need for senior housing in the community. When we built
Heritage Square Apartment building, that took 3 to 4 years for the HRA to
approve that project and I want to say 3 years of discussions it was always
' going to be a senior facility and it never came. To get financing they
couldn't designate the building as just for seniors. They had to designate
it as seniors to low to moderate income people. But the HRA still wants to
try to get a senior housing project built and they're going to look at
building their own facility. One other spot that they've been looking at
is over by old St. Hubert's Church to the Jerry Schlenk property. The
little house with the pink roof sits. They would go in there and acquire
that land and put in anywhere from 24 to 40 units in that location.- Staff
has felt that that's a good location. St. Hubert's was trying to build
their own senior facility and attaching it to their sanctuary facility and
they just decided that they didn't have the money and the need wasn't there
for them to do that. So that's been a goal of the HRA to build a senior
complex. And it'd be an interesting one that they want to get away from
some of the FHA guidelines and criteria that go with that. They want to go
with a straight rents would be 25% of whatever your incomes are. Right now
if you follow FHA guidelines you look at 25% of what you income is plus
whatever you have in the bank. So you get a lot of alder people in this
11 area that sell their house and they potentially have $100,000.00 or
$200,000.00 in the bank, well that just puts them right out of the rent
bracket for some of these facilities. What the HRA is looking at doing is
building their own facility and giving that back to the City Council or to
l the City and then city money, hiring a management company to come in and
run it under their guidelines. So you're not dictated by FHA or any of
those agencies under their guidelines. So that's an interesting approach
' and it would be a revenue producer for the city too. Because the building
would be given to the city so it would be debt free so the rents generated
off of that goes to management company and upkeep but anything in excess of
that would be revenue back to the City. And that's one of the HRA's goals
is to try to look at producing revenue once the district does go away for
the city and that's one approach that they've come up with. The second
area was construction of a library. The HRA right now is in ownership of •
the Pony /Pauly /Pryzmus area and that is the old Pony Express and John
Pryzmus' own building between what was the Pony Express and Pauly's. The
HRA owns all three of those buildings. The lease with Pauly and Pryzmus
' ends in 1994 and at that time the HRA would not renew their leases and
would ask them to leave. They've got compensated for those buildings and
the HRA would tear the buildings down and construct a new library in that
location. Expanding the park inbetween what would be St. Hubert's, old St.
II Hubert's church and Village Hall.
Krauss: One of the reasons for building a new library is not just to move
it but the fact that this library is inadequate. I forget what-the formula
is but I think it's a 1,000 square feet for every 1,000 people.
Gerhardt: It's 100 square feet for every 1,000 people you have in
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Krauss: Yeah. We were looking at the possibility of putting a facility
there that would accommodate a city of 23,000- 24,000 people which we'll be
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in the not to awful distant future. 11
Gerhardt: But that's the library criteria. We like to use the 500 feet
criteria and cut them in half and we feel that that's more appropriate. '
Right now that means they would take the Council Chambers and the new wing
over there to meet that criteria right now and that financially we just
• can't support that. But in that location it would be I think 11,000 square"
foot library. 11,000 to 12,000 square foot library and down around that
area. Heritage Square Park, that is between St. Hubert's and City Hall.
Acquisition of the Hanus Building. Hanus building is where Gary Brown's II
service station. It's the building directly east of the Rapid Oil
facility. We have an option right now to acquire that building. The
reason why the HRA would want to acquire that building is to go in there
and follow through with whatever City Council approves with the TH 5
corridor study. To look to either landscape that area to what the needs
are and in the future if the building should happen, if they say the
building should be taken down, that could be an option. If the building II
stays, they would want it as a private user to be used for City. Public
works needs. Park needs. Whatever it may need. We have several options
open but the real reason why everybody wants to acquire it is to landscape
that area. Right now it just sticks right out as you're driving down TH 5.'
And it was just a big mistake on when TH 5 was rerouted that they left that
gap of land between the railroad tracks and TH 5 there. And if you look at
the map, I mean that little block there, it's just crazy. You just can't II
tell that a building in there. You know we're going to acquire the Taco
place and the Red -E -Mix. To go back in there and put something else in,
how could you put a building any bigger than the Taco place in there? I I
mean if you put anything bigger than that, it's going to stick out like a
sore thumb because the width of the lots in that area are not, they're very
small. It's a real narrow piece that was just a big mistake for the 11 State to allow that to occur. They should have acquired that entire area
and it should have been right-of-way way and that was a real mistake because
it's just not wide enough for any development to occur. By the time you
put parking lots, have a little green space and your building, you have
nothing. I mean Taco has absolutely no green spaces. It's just one gravel
parking lot. Construction of a senior center. I think that's on for City'
Council approval of plans and specs this next Monday night. We had a
bottom portion of the public safety wing over here would be rennovated for
a senior center. They would have small kitchen facilities, meeting room
space, bathrooms and just a place to gather and to do some of their things.
Park and Rec is taking an active role in doing some programming for them
and meeting some of their needs. Play cards, meet and have congregate. Not
congregate dining but they could bring some food in and...since and the
refrigerator. '
Conrad: Todd, what's the percentage of seniors in Chanhassen?
Krauss: It's a lot higher than you would think. At the present time, if II
you use the over 55 criteria, there's somewheres upward of 900 to 1,000
people in town that qualify and it's a very rapidly growing segment. What
we found is that we have a couple of different classes of people that are 11
becoming seniors. We have the original Chanhassen group. The folks that
have been here for 30 years who have aged in place, and they don't tend to,
you know they tend to stay. :A lot of them are still here and stay. We've II
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got the people who have moved in in the 70's who are aging in place and
have now, you know the kids are out and they're still here. Steve keeps
thinking and talking about it...and we also have a bunch of people that are
starting to, who have parents who are becoming dependent on their kids
again and the nature of this country now is that a lot of people don't live
anywhere near their parents and they've had to relocate their parents from
' other communities. I've got a woman on my Senior Commission who's son
lives in Chanhassen who moved her out from Chicago when the neighborhood
started going bad and when she needed more help and that's becoming more
common. So the senior population is growing nationally dramatically and
locally as well. Right now we have, we don't have any facilities for
seniors in the community. We support South Shore Senior Center which
caters to some of the demand. We do have a card club that meets once a
week which we'll provide space for but there's a pretty hefty demand and we
have a senior services coordinator that we've retained. So it's really
starting to snowball.
1 Conrad: Thanks Todd.
Gerhardt: Paul's been real active with the Seniors. I mean that's the
thing. If Paul's numbers are right, it's about 1O% of the population that
are seniors but the interesting thing about that 10% is that they're very
active here. They want to be with other seniors. They want to play cards.
II } They want to be active. They don't want to sit at home and watch TV. They
don't want to just go out and buy groceries or do whatever. They want to
be active. They want to be a part of the community and it's interesting
that they pushed for this very hard.
Conrad: Well 10% of the population is a big number. It used to be about
3% that's why I was interested because it used to be real small.
II Krauss: Well if you look at the resources we devote to kids recreation and
you realize that we've done nothing for the other end of the spectrum to
' date, it's a good fit and having them downtown where there may be housing,
where they're supposed to be shopping, where we have a park, where we have
those kind of facilities is really a very nice fit.
' Gerhardt: Now they're taking my storage area and so I'm a little mad about
it but I think it's going to be a real asset. I mean they're right next to
the library. When we get the grocery store in, this is just going to be a
real asset to City Hall I think. Having those people that close. The next
item is the West 78th Street Detachment. In previous modifications we've
always added project numbers that would qualify for a special assessment
reduction. It looks like this project is going to be built this year.
They did some grading. You can see some of the alignment where West 78th
Street would be detached as it would connect over here onto CR 17. One of
the reasons why that's been delayed is that TH 5's going to be raised by a
I foot and when you do the West 78th Street - detachment you're going to have
to reconstruct that intersection and that portion of CR 17 and if you've
got TH 5 a foot up and we built the road say 2 years ago, you've got CR 17
11 a foot below it. It doesn't work. You've got to do them in conjunction
with each other so that's why that project's been delayed. We've been
taking a...we're just doing this for a the fun of it but we've been delayed
by what's delayed TH 5. TH 5 improvement, entry features. When Market
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Blvd. was built, the HRA acquired right -of -way for that and with that they II
acquired some additional land as a part of the TH 5 corridor upgrade
which, as I was talking to Dick, hopefully this goes along with it. We are
going to build some entry monuments as you enter TH 5 and Market Blvd. and II
Great Plains Blvd. and TH 5. So that would be, we're going to hide the
bank and be over next to the Holiday gas station. What they're looking at
is a wall monument that would look like this with landscaping and trees. 11
This would be the Market Blvd. area. How it is laid out. And then they
were also going to, in this location they were going to introduce a
vertical element similar to the clock tower but substantially taller. It
would be 45 feet and then again the wall underneath it would look like
this.
Conrad: Where's that Todd ?' Where's the wall? 1
Gerhardt: The wall would be the dark purple line. •
Conrad: What's in your right hand goes where your left hand? ,
Gerhardt: Right. That is just another concept. You like that one
better? Everybody's looking for a home for my railroad depot. 1
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Erhart: You've abandoned the railroad depot again?
Gerhardt: We own the depot. '
Erhart: I know you do.
Conrad: Where's the depot?
Krauss: It's the shack that's been sitting out by Natural Green. '
Batzli: Oh really? We own that? I didn't know that. So we're going to
put it there? 1
Gerhardt: No.
Farmakes: I have a question. The type that's on the Chanhassen logo, this,
sign that you just showed.
Gerhardt: The maple leaves? i
Farmakes: Yeah. Apparently when Bloomberg built this place there was like
a western theme. You see it smattered about and I'm just curious to know '
the history behind that.
Gerhardt: I think we're getting away from the country theme and now we're,
what they're calling is a country modern type style. With the lap siding, '
cracked off cinder block. This cedar shake.
Farmakes: Textured...
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11 Krauss: But if you go back, I think it started in the late 70's there was
actually a concerted effort to get a prairie theme.
Farmakes: Which is, it's TV cowboy is what it is. This horseshoe type
type is.
Krauss: In retrospect it's very chintsy, yeah.
Gerhardt: Have you been over on France Avenue? Next to Fudruckers there's
a big old office building and did you notice-the wall element there, I
think it says the Minnesota Center. That's where this came from. It's
made out of limestone. This would be a 6 foot 6 wall. That's a
substantially smaller one but that's the concept for this. The same
architect that designed that is designing this.
Erhart: That's 6 feet tall?
Gerhardt: Yeah.
Krauss: The key idea here is to let people know who are traveling down
TH 5 that they've entered into our community. That these are the entry
ways into our downtown and in some cases where you ha'Ve like the Holiday
1 store, to kind of cover up the back of the Holiday store which wasn't
really built with an eye towards the highway or beautification. This is
also, I mean it points the way to some of the stuff that we'd like to be
doing on the rest of TH 5 with that tax increment district and working with
MnDot and working on the corridor later on. Similar efforts also have to
be done on the previously finished portion of TH 5 east of downtown.
Farmakes: ...why the city is married to that type. Is it a consensus on
the HRA?
Gerhardt: Are you saying the lettering or the?
Farmakes: The lettering. Not the maple leaf. The lettering itself. That
just seems to be a hold over from that previous development. I was
' wondering how relevant that is.
Gerhardt: Well where they got that, the City's letterhead.
Farmakes: I understand that. It seems to, did that theme come from
because the City chose that particular letterhead or did that reflect that?
Gerhardt: I've been here 6 years and that's what the letterhead's always
looked like while I was here and I don't know where the lettering style
came from. It looks western to me, yeah.
Farmakes: I just don't know how relevant that is to us here. I don't know
if that's, it didn't seem relevant to our community. The type style. Not
the sign.
Batzli: Do you think it looks too heavy? I mean is that, or just too
cowboyish?
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Farmakes: I just don't see us as that. It almost looks like we're wearin
Stetsons and, it looks like TV western type to me. I realize that a lot of
people say so what about that sort of thing but it is a style. If you go II
out and you look at different communities, particularly water towers,
you'll see Excelsior is an old gothic. You'll see Edina in helmetica.
Very contemporary, modern type. It does seem to say something, just as
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much as it -does about a business or corporation. That you look at a
letterhead and I don't know how reflective that is of our community.
Batzli: I think a hand written script would look kind of trendy. What do 1
you think?
Farmakes: Well you get 100 different opinions but I'm just saying, I'm not'
sure. It just seems to me that I suspect that's a carry over from that
original development theme and I don't know how relevant it is.
Gerhardt: These are lights so in the evening you're going to see this area
at night. I think this is also back lit. But that's something that can be
changed. I'll bring it up to the HRA when they do final plans and
specifications for construction of it because that's one of the things that
they're going to approve is the letter style.
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Emmings: I've just gotten so used to it, I've stopped thinking about it
but I think Jeff's comments are very good ones. I think it is �a hold over I
and we just don't see it anymore because we're so used to seeing it but I
think maybe changing it to something else a little, well plainer.
II Farmakes: Is the green on there or is that a copper type thing or what is
that? What is the material on that?
Gerhardt: It's a painted metal letter and a pre -case letter. The green is
matching, the decorative light standards in the downtown so that's where
the green comes in. And you will have decorative lighting introduced in
this area over here and over here but again the color hasn't been approved.
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But I'm sure they're doing that trying to stay consistent with those
country colors. They've been using the grays, the bluish greens and
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Farmakes: Is that supposed to be like a kasota stone or did you mention
what type of stone that is?
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Batzli: Would this come back before us for any reason? No. Okay.
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Emmings: HRA stuff.
Gerhardt: I mean if you wanted to see it, we can put it on the agenda. II
Farmakes: This is an important thing because this what people are... 1
Gerhardt: Yeah, as Dick and I were talking over there he said did Morrish
look at any of this and I said, I don't think so. One of the things that
we're going to work on is we're going to try and get this with the ,
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11 University of Minnesota and say is this what we had been planning for this
area. I know there's some tack at one of the public meetings that...and
green areas at some of the intersections.
Krauss: Morrish has seen this. Yeah, in fact we had meetings to put them
together as kind of a team for a while so yeah, he and Barry Warner did
take a crack at that.
Gerhardt: Okay. Once we put a set of plans and specs together, I don't
have any problems coming back to Planning Commission and showing you what
we're doing and if you want to make suggestions. The HRA is really
interested in getting public input. I mean we held 4 or 5 public hearings
on the park. I've gone to Rotary. We've gone to the Chamber with it to
get input. We don't get anybody to come to our meetings.
Farmakes: Other things that you've mentioned it's nice about the sign is
the color scheme. I think it's a nice environmental, friendly color scheme
but the materials also I think are important.. You use the rough stone, you
should be careful about the letters and the materials that those are made
out of, even the look of letting copper go green. With the look on the
'CCO building downtown, it's quite reflective of that color scheme there.
But that gives it a far different look of natural look versus green metal
letters. For instance of fake metal plastic type thing. It gives it a
little look. It says something different of our community.
Gerhardt: The metal letters would probably be made out of some type of
aluminum that would not bleed into the rocks and there again they would be
painted with whatever color they decide to paint it or whatever. But that
is a good point.
i Farmakes: Copper does go green.
Gerhardt: Right. Well we see that with the other type of light.poles that
we have in the downtown. You go over in the parking lot over there and you
notice that the exposed metal lights, they corregated steel...get wet they
bleed down onto the top of the concrete. So it does look a little weird. -
II We've got that bleeding down over there.
Batzli: How many new lawnmowers are we going to have to get to keep up all
of these new park type areas throughout the city?
Gerhardt: Let me see, we bought one last year. What we do is there's one
full time employee who maintains the downtown and now we've hired a
seasonal person so he does help out during the summertime in mowing the
area. SO you basically have 2 people during the summer who maintain the
downtown picking up the garbage, mowing, fertilizing, and this would be an
extension to that.
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Batzli: I mean are these types of areas, they've got these things heavily
landscaped and flowered. Are you going.to be installing sprinkler systems
and having like the Garden Club take care of it hopefully so it actually
looks nice rather than, if the City tries to do it it will probably not get
as much attention as it deserves.
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Gerhardt: Well you're looking at the head of the garden club. I run the II
garden club. And if the garden club's getting more areas than what they
want, so I'm out there planting flowers. I think I was out here and you
guys were walking in and tripping over me and. 1
Batzli: No, we appreciate that but I just think if it's left up to the
city from time to time, things get a little bit unruly before they get back'
to us.
Gerhardt: Then you call me and then we get on Charlie and Charlie's out 11
there. You know it's amazing, Charlie has 12,000 bosses. Everytime
somebody drives by, they roll down the window. You should be trimming
these trees in this location and so everybody keeps a pretty good eye on it
and I think he does a real good job. 1
Batzli: Oh, I agree. I mean he can't be everyplace at once. I'm just
curious to know whether we're going to have city staff out there tending, I
you know clipping out the dead flowers or is this going to be kind of a
community get, maybe some of the seniors like the Excelsior seniors.
Gerhardt: The garden club's growing every year and they take on more and II
I'm sure the seniors, you know with their c enter, I think they're going to
get more active. I've been working with Ben Gowen and he wants to flower
hostas and some other flowers off of TH 41. He's going to assist in the II
garden club in trying to get them more active. The garden club's more,
they want to be more than just planting flowers. They want to go to
seminars. They want speakers to come in. They don't want to be a laborer
for the city or the HRA in trying to beautify. They want to learn and
we've got a lot of novice gardners in this club. And we can take a flower
and stick it in the ground and water it but...
Batzli: For example I think the, you know what they do in Excelsior on
that little piece of triangle. I mean they give high visibility to the
fact that these are the people taking care of it and you drive by it and II
you're just impressed as heck. And if we can give an opportunity like that"'
so people even know (a) that there's •a garden club, and (b) give them a "
show piece. Then it would be worth their time out there planting things 11
rather than you're right, just having to be slave labor.
Gerhardt: We bought little signs that say garden club. We've taken out a
good relationship with the newspaper in trying to get members. The next
newsletter, well not the next one but the following one will have join the
garden club. We've done a lot of things. We have right now about 10
members in the garden club so that should be an area and similarly this
would be a mirror image of the sign over on the piece by the Holiday
station.
Batzli: Chanhassen would be spelt backwards? 1
Gerhardt: Right. Backwards. Upside-down. Not Home of the Dinner
Theatre. That's not going to be in there. We showed this to the bank and II
with what the bank's doing with their entry piece and what this is doing in
that area, the HRA wants to put an active bell in this thing too so it will
play chimes and stuff. So they're into it. I think it's going to be a
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real nice area. Walkway going alone there. We've changed that from a
bituminous walkway to a concrete walkway and staying with the TH 5 in
concrete, we thought we should be consistent with what the road structure
is. And one of the other things that the HRA would be spending money is
that you're going to have a lot of detailed brick work that they're
spending money on. Pedestrian crossways would be done in brick. It would
be brick...with special paving...that will look like brick and it will be
colored like brick that will follow along in the median section in this
area of Great Plains and Dakota. As you come down Chanhassen you see these
I entry monuments and you see this brick fading with the concrete roadway,
people are going to realize, hey this is downtown Chanhassen. This is
different and special. Just coming across brick and it's going to be...
Farmakes: I have a question. Is there anything written as to, I'm just
wondering how people friendly this, it will look nice. I'm just wondering
how useable it is or what purpose is intended for it. Is there any study
' in regards to, for instance there's a bench overlooking TH 5 and I'm
wondering how relevant that is.
Krauss: TH 5 has a bike trail, pedestrian trail.
Farmakes: Well I didn't mean that. I was wondering if somebody's going to
plant themselves down next to full of traffic.
1 Gerhardt: Well if somebody's going to ride i bike, I mean from what we've
been told, this is going to go out to Carver Park. This trail. Ultimately
if TH 5 is upgraded so you can get a lot of people biking out to the
Arboretum, out to Carver Park from Eden Prairie and along the way they want
to stop and rest, they can sit on the bench. $100.00 bench you know is
there if they want it.
Farmakes: What I was saying though or the comment I was making, I was just
wondering if there's anything. There have been occasions where communities
' have spent a lot of money for park areas where they thought they would be
useable and have not been, including like New York City for instance.
Gerhardt: ...active park area. We're not trying to encourage people to
come down in this area. The bench is there again, this is going to be
constructed with TH 5 as it gets through Eden Prairie. We didn't put any
parking lots in to accommodate people to come down here and use this. It's .
' more of a visual, as you're driving by type pleasure and it's not an active
area. We're not trying to entourage people...want to go down and sit and
watch cars go by on TH 5 with the exception of...
1 Farmakes: Has there been communication between the other elements that
were on the corridor study? The urban design center.
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II Krauss: Well yeah, Morrish has seen this
Gerhardt: And Barton - Aschmann is the engineers that are working on the
TH 5 plan. The HRA has hired them to make sure that TH 5 is being built,
that these elements can be introduced. The special brick paving is TH 5
being upgraded that we can get those special brick pavings done with that.
Who better to do that than the architects and engineers that are working on
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TH 5. With the contract, Barry Warner from Barton- Aschmann has been
working with Bill Morrish and Paul and also is very good friends with Peter
Olin from the Landscape Arboretum so he bounced all of this off of Peter II
and what Peter thinks of this and the HRA and their thoughts of what this
area should be looking like. But we're open to any change on it but a big
factor in this was to try to get this done with the TH 5 improvement and
that segment is going to be built this spring.
Batzli: Where's the fountain in, right there?
Gerhardt: Right here.
Batzli: And you're not going to put the depot there like in the other
concept drawing?
Gerhardt: No. We want to put the depot in a spot where the best thing we
can do is to get it reused. To have people use it instead of it just being
an empty building sitting somewhere. Similar to Old Village Hall. You
wouldn't believe how much the Old Village Hall gets used. That book
upstairs is booked. Wedding parties use it to dress in. There's school II
classes, the Cub Scouts, there's tap dancers, and the floor's got little
pits in it from the tap dancers. But the building gets used, it's
unbelieveable. And I'd like to do the same thing, rennovate the old depot
and put that back to a similar use. Be it whether I rent it out for some I
realtor or somebody to go in there or something and has money generated but
I think the best way to use these older buildings is to put them back to
use and that's the only way they usually keep upgraded. =1
Batzli: So you're still looking at doing something like that within this
TIF district then? 1
Gerhardt: We'd like to get it down next to St. Hubert's Church. By Old
Village Hall, what we looked at, what we've got there is basically a little
historical area and I always figured a nice spot would be on a Klingelhutz '
piece between those two big oak trees next to the railroad tracks. If not
in that location, a little bit farther east of where Jerry Schlenk's house'
is next to the railroad tracks. And those are my thoughts. Sometimes they'
go to the wayside but we haven't designated a site but it more than likely
will be down in that area somewhere... That's all the modifications as a
part of what's going on. Again when your passing a resolution saying that II
the modifications that we're making are consistent with the overall
development of the community and I stand ready to answer any questions that
you may have...
Batzli: Thanks again Todd. Tim, do you have anything? Ladd? Matt?
Jeff? Okay. Any motions?
Ledvina: Okay, I'd like to offer a motion that the Planning Commission
adopt Resolution No. 92 -1, finding Modification No. 11 of the Redevelopment
Plan and TIF Plan consistent with the city's plan for development of the
City of Chanhassen.
Conrad: I'll second.
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Resolution #92 -1: Ledvina moved, Conrad seconded that the Planning
Commission adopt Resolution No. 92 -1, finding Modification No. 11 of the
Redevelopment Plan and TIF Plan consistent with city's plan for
development of the City of Chanhassen. All voted in favor and the motion
carried.
1 Gerhardt: If you are interested, we can as soon as, we haven't seen any
architectural plans and specs for those entry monuments. If you want, we
can bring those back to you and, HRA's looking for comments and I don't
have any problem coming back and presenting those to you if you have an
interest in seeing those. Because the HRA is always looking for comments.
Conrad: I'd like to.
Batzli: I think that would be a good idea to bring them back.
I Gerhardt: ...it's been our policy in the past to bring any public
buildings back and then we...site plan approval. The library would come
through with a site plan approval.
Batzli: Okay. Real good.
ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CONCERNING PUD RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS.
Batzli: Paul, do you have some materials or couldn't you get them
together?
Krauss: I thought I was going to be able to give them to you. It turns
out that we're not going to be able to provide them until next meeting. You
1 may want to, I think our next agenda is fairly light. We may want to
consider putting a couple of these things on there and tackling them then.
Batzli: lust so everybody else knows, Paul is going to give us some
1 ordinances from some other communities and also I think take a look at one
proposal that at least has been bounced around with Paul for a PUD area so
we can kind of take a look at how our proposed ordinance would affect that
I and take a look at some of those things. So I'll save my comments on that °
then. But we can do that at our next meeting.
1 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Chairman Batzli noted the Minutes of the Planning
Commission meeting dated February 5, 1992 as presented.
CITY COUNCIL UPDATE:
1 Krauss: I don't know if you wanted to take much time on this. Most of the
stuff is as you recommended. The beachlot stuff has been generating a lot
I of, somewhat I guess controversy. A lot of calls. But a lot of the
discussion appears to be interesting and Councilman Wing's here tonight to
relayed some of that to me that we had a few beachlots, the Council did go
with the '82 baseline but, and obviously that raised the ayre of some of
1 the beachlot associations that exceeded their '82 allocations by
substantial margins. But there was almost an equal outcry of folks who
have been controlling themselves or individuals who have concerns about
11 beachlot associations that violated this stuff where they're saying that we
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Ci ty of Chanhassen
Carver and Hennepin Counties, Minnesota
Planning Commission
DATE: February 19, 1992 RESOLUTION NO: 92 -2 1
MOTION BY: Ledvina SECONDED BY: Conrad
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RESOLUTION FINDING MODIFICATION NO. 11 TO THE
REDEVELOPMENT AND TAX INCREMENT FINANCING PLAN
FOR THE CHANHASSEN DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT
CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF
THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN
WHEREAS, the Chanhassen City Council has authorized preparation of
Modification No. 11 to the Redevelopment and Tax Increment Financing Plan for tthe
Chanhassen Downtown Redevelopment Project and has submitted Modification No. 11
to the Planning Commission for comment and;
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission has made a thorough review of
Modification No. 11 and has compared it with the plans for development of the City
as a whole.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Planning Commission of the City
of Chanhassen, Minnesota as follows:
1. That Modification No. 11 to the Redevelopment and Tax Increment Financing
Plan is found to be consistent with the plan for development of the City -of
Chanhassen as a whole.
2. It is recommended that the City Council of the City of Chanhassen hold a
public hearing required by law and adopt Modification No. 11.
Passed and adopted by the Planning Commission of the City of Chanhassen this
19th day of February, 1992.
A 1 EST:
ecretary \ Chairperson
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