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CC 2013 03 25 CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING MARCH 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. The meeting was opened with the Pledge to the Flag. COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Furlong, Councilman McDonald, Councilwoman Tjornhom, Councilwoman Ernst, and Councilman Laufenburger STAFF PRESENT: Todd Gerhardt, Laurie Hokkanen, Paul Oehme, Kate Aanenson, Todd Hoffman, and Roger Knutson PUBLIC PRESENT: Dehghani Family 8940 Reflections Road Jack Appert Kraus-Anderson John Hagen Westwood Professional Services Dan Parks Westwood Professional Services Kathy Anderson Architectural Consortium Scott Paulson 634 Summerfield Drive Jeffery Hahn 622 Summerfield Drive Christine Peterson 385 Chesterfield Lane John Aho 625 Summerfield Drive Mayor Furlong: Great, thank you and welcome to everybody here in the council chambers as well as those watching at home. We’re glad that you joined us this evening. At this time I would ask members of the council if there are any proposed changes or modifications to the agenda. Otherwise without objection we’ll proceed with the agenda as published. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS: Mayor Furlong: I would like to start this evening with an invitation to our residents and businesses, friends and families to join us at the Easter Egg Candy Hunt. The City of Chanhassen is proud to present th our 30 Annual Easter Egg Candy Hunt. This is the second in a long series of special events sponsored by the City of Chanhassen, our local businesses and service organizations. I’d like to ask everyone to join th us this coming Saturday, March 30 at 9:00 a.m. at City Center Park for this fun event. The event is for children 12 and under. Sorry Denny, you don’t meet that. And will feature candy, coloring contest, prize drawings and special visit from the Easter Bunny. The cost is $5 per child. You can register the day of event or ahead of time. I look forward to seeing everybody there. That is a very fun event and guaranteed by Mr. Hoffman that we will have a sunny, warm day come Saturday so that would be the first in a long time as well but appreciate your commitment on that. Todd Hoffman: Above freezing. Mayor Furlong: Above freezing. Really stepping out on a limb there. Very good. That is a fun event so if people have time to join us this coming Saturday I would encourage them to do so. Bring their family and friends, children and grandchildren. It’s a great time. Let’s move on now with our items on our agenda. Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 CONSENT AGENDA: Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilman Laufenburger seconded to approve the following consent agenda items pursuant to the City Manager’s recommendations: a. Approval of Minutes: -City Council Work Session Minutes dated March 11, 2013 -City Council Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated March 11, 2013 Receive Commission Minutes: -Planning Commission Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated March 5, 2013 -Park and Recreation Commission Verbatim and Summary Minutes dated February 26, 2013 Resolution #2013-21: b. 2013 Sealcoat Program, Project 13-02: Award Contract. c. Approval of 2013/14 Liquor License Renewals. d. Approval of Arbor Day Post Contest Winner. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS. None. LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE. Lt. Jeff Enevold: Good evening Mr. Mayor and council. I have a short presentation for you here. Just wanted to update you on a recent event that took place on 3/24 at about 1:30 in the morning. Our deputies here in the city assisted Minnetonka Police Department with a pursuit. A pursuit came down 101 and thth turned west onto 78 Street. Went south on Market. East on 79. The driver pulled into the Holiday gas station and he had enough so it was a very short pursuit. He was taken into custody without incident. There were no injuries or damage to any property or squad cars or anything so it was well handled by our deputies and Minnetonka. Just an update on the prescription drug take back program. We posted some fliers at pharmacies and then at the American Legion to kind of educate the citizens that this service is available to them and it continues to be very successful. I look in that thing daily and it keeps filling up so it’s a great service that we’re providing to our citizens here. Citizens academy. Happy to announce ndst April 2 through May 21 we’ve got 14 students registered for the academy. I’m excited about that and, as they are so looking forward to that. Just wanted to update you on a goal that we had, strengthening our partnership with our elementary schools. I’ve been in contact with Chanhassen Elementary, Bluff Creek, Minnetonka Middle School West, Chapel Hill, and St. Hubert. We’ve done some visits to the Chanhassen Elementary, the Chapel Hill and St. Hubert’s school. We’ve greeted the kids. We’ve sent deputies in there to eat lunch with some of the kids and it was last week one of the deputies stopped in my office after lunch and he says, boy I just came from St. Hubert’s here and had a great lunch with the kids. We went out with recess with them and played tag. He says I’m worn out. He says I need to take a break. I said okay, go ahead and take a break so, so you know it’s really great to get in these schools. The kids really enjoy it and so do we. The school emergency plans. I’ve met with Chapel Hill Academy and St. Hubert’s School and we’ve gone through their lock down procedures. We’ve done drills with them and we’ve talked to them about things they could improve and things they’re doing well so it’s going well. I still have some other schools to get into but it’s a work in progress and the school program that we’re going to develop, I’ve assigned that to one of the deputies. He’s going to work with our school resource officer so that’s still in the development stage here to get into the schools and talk to the kids and, but it’s going well. The last thing I have is the Public Safety Seminar. Tuesday, March 19th. Last week. 5:30 to 8:30. We had it in the senior center over here and the topic was crime scene processing and we invited Sergeant Pat Berry and Alex Fisker you can see on the screen there. Two of 2 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 our best crime scene technicians and the topic was, she went through a power point Alex did and then we covered the tables and did some finger printing because that can get a little messy but if you go to the next slide here you can see the folks really enjoyed it. You can see we gave them some rubber gloves. We had CD’s that they could finger print. We had some glasses that they could finger print. They lifted their finger prints off there. Put them on a card and then they could take them home with them and what was great about this is I was able to recruit 5 additional people into my Citizens Academy so it really went well so the folks had a good time. Beth did a, Beth Hoiseth did an excellent job of organizing this. You can actually see her in the upper left hand there participating taking some finger prints so fun was had by all. Any questions? Comments, concerns. Mayor Furlong: Thank you Lieutenant. Questions for the Lieutenant. Councilman Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger: Thank you Mr. Mayor. I have two questions Lieutenant. First of all can you talk about the drug take back program? I read about other entities, whether they’re county governments, they have like a one day or maybe a two day where they do drug take back. Whereas our’s is a permanent box, is that correct? Lt. Jeff Enevold: That’s correct, yes. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay, and is that inside city offices, is that correct? Lt. Jeff Enevold: It is. It’s located in the public safety/fire lobby over by the elevator there. It’s normally what we have been doing in the past is coordinating with the Drug Enforcement Agency in setting up dates once a year for people to come and drop their prescription drugs off. The City of Chanhassen was you know, had so many people coming in dropping off drugs that we decided it was in our best interest to th put a permanent prescription drug take back box and like I said since February 24 it was installed, it’s been very successful for us. Councilman Laufenburger: Successful in that a lot of them are coming in. So these are drugs that would normally be in a bathroom medicine cabinet or something like that. They’re unused and they’ve coming into us. They’re not going into the sewer system. They’re not being dumped down toilets and stuff like that. Lt. Jeff Enevold: And they’re not being used by our youth, exactly yeah. Councilman Laufenburger: And what do we do with the drugs after we accumulate them, where do we take them? Lt. Jeff Enevold: We empty them from there. We seal them up. I sign the evidence tape on there. We store them in our evidence room and then when we get you know a truckload we’ll haul them and have them incinerated. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay, cool. Thanks. My second question relates to, I know that spring is going to come eventually here and I’m. Mayor Furlong: By Saturday. Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah by Saturday, exactly according to Mr. Hoffman. Can you talk a little bit about vandalism in the community? My specific questions are how does the police department treat vandalism? Are there reports on that? Do citizens report that and are you able to determine, is there more 3 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 or less vandalism in Chanhassen than in surrounding communities? That’s a big, if you want to defer, answer to those you’re certainly welcome to do that. Lt. Jeff Enevold: You know I keep a pretty close eye on what’s happening. I read the daily blotter when I come into work. That’s the first thing I do and I haven’t noticed any uptick or increase in vandalisms and we do take that seriously. You know we’ll send a deputy out there. Take a report if there’s any evidence to be taken at the scene, we’ll do that. We’ll do follow up. You know talk to neighbors if they’ve seen anything so we take it seriously and compared to others, I’m trying to think back to the report that I gave last year on the uniform crime reports. Our crime rate compared to the key financial cities that we compare ourselves to is really low so I don’t know specifically but my instinct would say we are probably lower than the norm. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay, thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Mayor Furlong: Other questions for Lieutenant. Just to follow up Lieutenant on the drug tack back box. Should the residents prepare for them at all? Take their name off the label before they come or just bring them as they are or what do you recommend? Lt. Jeff Enevold: Yeah, there’s instructions there. We ask them to take their names off there but leave the label on there so we know what the drug is. Mayor Furlong: Okay, so just blacking out their name or something or somehow taking off personal identification. Lt. Jeff Enevold: Yep, absolutely. Yep, yep. Mayor Furlong: Okay, alright. And you mentioned they’re kept in your evidence room. I assume that’s secure so that there’s not. Lt. Jeff Enevold: Oh, that’s secure, yeah. You bet. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright. Then another follow up question. Just in times past you’ve talked about requesting calls when people see suspicious activity. Can you remind us again or people watching at home to what you’re interested in in terms of whether people witness something suspicious, what they should do. Lt. Jeff Enevold: Yeah, you know we talked about spring coming up here and that means kids are going to be out and we’ll probably see an uptick in thefts from vehicles and again we have you know a great neighborhood watch group set up here and they’re pretty well educated but you know a reminder for anyone. Anything suspicious. Anything out of the ordinary you know call 911. We have deputies working 24/7. Two and three at a time so we’ll send them out there and investigate and identify the person. I mean that’s the way we solve a lot of crimes is with the help of the citizens in the community. Mayor Furlong: But it’s okay to call 911 if it’s not an emergency per se. If something just doesn’t look right or if they want a deputy to respond, 911 is what they should do? Lt. Jeff Enevold: Yeah a lot of folks are a little apprehensive about that but it’s the same dispatcher sitting in the same chair that answers the 911 call or the non emergency call and we’re not overwhelmed with 911 calls so it’s fine to call 911. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright. Very good, thank you. 4 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Lt. Jeff Enevold: Okay. Mayor Furlong: Appreciate it. Lt. Jeff Enevold: Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Chief Wolff is here with the Chanhassen Fire Department. Good evening Chief. Chief John Wolff: Good evening Mr. Mayor, council. Yeah I’m hoping for spring also. Got Twins rd tickets on the 3 of April. I’m just hoping it’s not going to be a winter coat and long johns. Speaking of th ice, March 18 of 2012 Lotus Lake was open and today I think there’s probably 2 feet of ice on it but it will come quick when it comes and so this is just kind of fair warning for our citizens. Today we had a call for, I know the deputies investigated a call for a possible dog on Lotus Lake that was stuck in the ice and we heard about that so we went over. I was actually in that area and what I did witness was someone walking down the middle of the lake with 2 dogs and you know a lot of our lakes our spring fed and so it doesn’t take a lot of warmer days to have that ice get soft so just a warning for our citizens. We’ve begun the recruiting process as we do each year at this time. We’re looking at about 15 applications right now. Anticipate that we’ll whittle that down to 3 to 5 depending on what the need is there. I think I mentioned the last time I was here calls are kind of back on the normal trend. We’re up slightly in the first 2 months. March probably will balance that off. I would say that we’ll probably at the end of the first quarter be right on the average because March is a little slower than the first 2 months. Had a great turn out Sunday morning at the pancake breakfast at the fire station with the Lions Club. I think the Lions indicated it was probably about 10% more than our best year ever so even with some cooler and not great weather we had a wonderful turnout so that was a lot of fun to spend time with the community. And just as we, as I kind of finish up here, as we do thaw out, I was with the area fire chiefs at an association meeting recently and the DNR folks are anticipating that this is going to be one of, potentially one of the worst years ever for wild land fires so the, just the amount of moisture that we have in the ground that’s, and really even the snow cover. It’s actually fairly dry snow they call, they’re calling it so anticipating it could be, it could be pretty demanding and they showed us kind of a national chart and actually Minnesota was, sort of had a bullseye on it in terms of the entire country so what that means for Chanhassen is, you know we do have some, we still have some open land here so potentially we’ll have our eye on that and certainly support our neighbors if they need assistance so with that I’ll take questions. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for Chief Wolff? No? Just as far as the pancake breakfast goes, thank you again to you and the department and the Lions for putting that on. Chief John Wolff: Absolutely. Mayor Furlong: There were a lot of people enjoying that. I was. Chief John Wolff: Yeah, it’s great. It’s a great community event. It really is a lot of fun. Mayor Furlong: I was unable to flip and catch the pancake on the spatula. Chief John Wolff: There were 3 or 4 of those too going on so. Mayor Furlong: But a lot of fun so thank you. Chief John Wolff: You bet, thanks. Take care. 5 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 CROSSROADS RETAIL BUILDING 4B: REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHANHASSEN GATEWAY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD) TO ALLOW A FAST FOOD DRIVE-THRU; AND AMENDMENT TO THE CROSSROADS OF CHANHASSEN SITE PLAN FOR A 13,871 SQ. FT. RETAIL BUILDING (4B); LOCATED ON THE EASTERLY PORTION OF 8971 CROSSROADS BOULEVARD, LOT 2, BLOCK 1, CROSSROADS OF CHANHASSEN; APPLICANT: KRAUS-ANDERSON REALTY COMPANY. Mayor Furlong: Let’s start with the staff report please. Then we’ll hear from the developer. There was a public hearing at the Planning Commission so we don’t need to repeat that. If there is some specific comments that the public would like to share, we’d be happy to listen to that too and then we’ll move forward with council comments and action. So Ms. Aanenson, let’s start with you. Kate Aanenson: Thank you Mayor, members of the City Council. As you stated this item did appear th before the Planning Commission at their March 5 meeting and they did unanimously recommend approval of the project. Again as you stated it is a site plan approval with a minor PUD amendment. The subject site is located at the northwest corner of 101 and Lyman Boulevard. Just in summary comments from the Planning Commission, again they did vote unanimously to approve and neighborhood comments regarding the traffic, sight lines and the like so through the presentation we’ll try to address those as we’ve asked the applicant to further address those to mitigate those concerns. Just want to give a little background on this property. It was a mixed use development. Mixed use land use, excuse me. Mayor Furlong: Excuse me Ms. Aanenson. Do you have a presentation? Can we get that up on the screen for people here and those at home? Thank you. Not that those aren’t pretty. Kate Aanenson: Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. So the mixed use is actually was guided for commercial and for high density so as this project came forward in 2005 there was a conceptual approval given on a project that actually had significant amount of apartments and some commercial zoning that met the standard at that time and that project, while it was given conceptual approval, as you know it has no legal standing but it kind of gives some marching orders and the property, or the project was sold and a different developer came forward with another proposal. And that proposal really came to fruition in about 2008 and the first component of that was actually Phase I which would have been the gas station, the Kwik Trip was the first project that was approved. As a part of that project we put together a PUD for the entire parcel and looked at the phasing and what uses could go on there and to date some of those uses have changed. For the original proposal what we looked at potentially a liquor store with another drive thru facility or another restaurant ended up becoming the Primrose which came to fruition in 2012 so there was kind of a gap between the gas station in 2008 and kind of where we were in the economic cycle that we went through and then the fruition of the daycare so the daycare was kind of, it was a permitted use in the zoning district but really wasn’t where kind of the original thought was for that to land. So that brings us kind of to date to where we are with this project. So this project again would be to the site plan and this lot and block would be for the retail building, one story. The other building on there is a multi- tenant building. That’s the building along Lyman Boulevard so this is a single story and if you look at the PUD standards that were contemplated at that time we anticipated potential coffee shop to go in there and the PUD ordinance specifically said the drive thru could be for a coffee shop only. If you were to look at again the ordinance itself, it does allow for restaurants but for the fact that this user wants to have the drive thru, it requires the PUD amendment. If they didn’t want it, it would be a permitted use in the zoning district and the Planning Commission spent some time discussing this or not the merits of how the drive thru would work for a coffee shop versus a fast food restaurant and again we were looking at the fast food. As you know when you could approve one it can become something else so they spent a lot of time just looking at the fast food itself and how that would work and the circulation. So with that the Planning Commission felt that it, the way the design worked that it met the warrants. Just for background too, the staff spent a lot of time working with the user for the fast food. They were actually looking at 6 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 other sites on the property. Larger sites. Again a restaurant is a permitted use in that district and we wanted to control the square footage of that and regulate that so we felt putting it on the end cap and turning that building actually provided better screening from, and kind of made the use a little bit smaller than it could have been in a different building site, which had been contemplated by the developer. So with this it will be in one phase. So the parking shown in yellow is what will be built with this that would accommodate the entire square footage of this phase of the building which is approximately 13,000 so the parking shown in that yellow would be with this phase. Mayor Furlong: I’m sorry Ms. Aanenson, could you back up there. Kate Aanenson: Yeah. Mayor Furlong: The drive aisle there, the gray area, that would all be included in this phase as well? Kate Aanenson: Correct. Correct. Mayor Furlong: And it looks like it’s going to connect and have an opening to the Kwik Trip to the north? Kate Aanenson: Correct. That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Drive there or off of the road. Kate Aanenson: That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Kate Aanenson: So with that the building elevations again we had the standards put in place for the PUD itself and this matches the brick that’s out there. Again Sharmeen Al-Jaff on our staff spent a lot of time with the architects really refining the design and getting it to so the McDonalds really could be timeless. Could be something else if it, if something else were to go in there. It didn’t reflect really their traditional standards. I would say this is very different from what they’ve got elsewhere in the marketplace in this area so I think we did a good job trying to make that blend in and we can show the material samples that are here on the table again using kind of the, I’ve got the right camera on there. Looking at the bricks and the colors that match so again trying to make that anticipating things change over time. If another user would to come in that would be easy to change that out if a different restaurant wanted to go in in that site. Again we’re not just looking at the fast food area. We’re looking at the rest of the tenants that would go into this building so again they have their, this is illustrative of where their signs could go. So again we do want to look at the cohesiveness of this. The sidewalk, trails connecting those uses together so this would show how you can get between the two uses. This also has outdoor seating. We notice with the Kwik Trip that’s something we did want to put in there. We know that people do sit outside and enjoy that and we wanted to make that part of that neighborhood concept too of how that all works and we think that’s a nice element of kind of that neighborhood concept. The landscaping plan I’ll show in a minute a little bit more illustratively kind of how that works but when we angled that building, worked with the architects to angle the building we believe that really provides mitigation from the impacts, the road elevations. The drive aisle is lower than the road elevation by a couple of feet. Then you’ve got a berm that’s another couple of feet so you’re at least 4 feet before you get to the road and on top of that additional landscaping would be provided there to really provide mitigation from any impacts from the car circulation. So again this is a perspective showing, looking from 212. Looking at the signage and the look of the Kwik Trip and the buildings. And this would be an interior shot looking at the McDonalds from inside the parking lot, if you were pulling in off the interior street and the rest of the tenants also. 7 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 And this would be looking from the Springfield neighborhood, looking across. Now this building here would be the two story building with retail on the first floor and office on the second floor. That is not yet being proposed. So we did look at the overall building area, kind of where we saw because there was some concerns that things had changed and if you look at, as I mentioned, the original proposal we actually had two buildings here contemplated and that became the one building for the daycare. Again over time things have changed. That daycare was a permitted use. Ended up being in a different location and a little bit bigger than was really contemplated so now it sits in this location with the parking to the rear. So then this site, what we did then is we worked to get this building angled again providing for that mitigation of the potential impact so the total square footage is still less than what was contemplated in the original PUD. I did skip over the traffic. I wanted to talk about that for a minute. This is some of the Planning Commission packets. I don’t have, maybe Paul if you want to talk about traffic. I’ll pull up the information regarding the uses that we looked at for trip generation based on how much traffic would be associated with the gas station as opposed to what’s associated with the fast food or some of the other uses that are in there. Paul Oehme: So thank you Mayor and City Council members. Westwood Development engineers, they assisted or the City requested that a traffic study be completed for this development and we did look at phasing in traffic analysis based upon what the current proposal, development is versus and including the ultimate design as well too. Looking at the traffic. Not just internally circulations but also how, what impacts potentially would be on 101 and Lyman Boulevard. We also looked at the level of service for the intersections. Westwood did collect traffic counts for these intersections as well and turning movements and based upon the data that was collected and the traffic analysis that was done based upon the traffic engineering, trip generations, most of the intersections will be functioning at a level of service C which is consistent with what’s currently out there today. The only caveat to that is the intersection of 101 and the off ramp of 212, that intersection in 2020 looks like it might break down a little bit. There’s, we need to look a little bit more in depth with the signal timing at that intersection and there is a potential need for a right turn lane to northbound 101 at that intersection in the future so you know as this area develops we’re going to be monitoring that intersection and see if we can, if turn lane warrants are met at that intersection. Mayor Furlong: So to help me understand, picture in our minds here, you’re saying that possible improvement in the future would be a, for traffic coming off of 212, around the you return up to 101, you may need to add in a right turn lane? Paul Oehme: Right turn lane to northbound. Mayor Furlong: That doesn’t exist there now. Paul Oehme: Yeah, that’s correct. I believe it’s a through and a left turn. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Paul Oehme: So in the future when this area develops a little bit more and more traffic potentially comes off that intersection there might be some more back-up onto the off ramp of 212 so that’s the concern that MnDOT and the County and the City share. We’ve got to monitor that and see if in the future if that right turn lane is warranted. Mayor Furlong: But if traffic that wants to come off 212 into this development, there’s still going to be a through lane straight at that point for them to go straight in. 8 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Paul Oehme: Correct, yeah. In the future there would most likely be a designated right turn lane, a through lane and a right turn lane as well. Mayor Furlong: Okay. To make it easier for those coming in. Paul Oehme: Correct. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Paul Oehme: Also the intersection of, the west intersection at Lyman and, over by the daycare was looked at too and that we’ll have to monitor that intersection as well in the future when this development is fully developed and see if there’s a need for a signal at that intersection or some other modification at that intersection are needed as well. Mayor Furlong: Okay. And has that changed significantly? Has the traffic changed significantly from when this development was first proposed? Paul Oehme: Not, no. I wouldn’t say it’s changed significantly. It’s pretty close to what we envisioned for the PUD. It did go up a little bit. I don’t have those numbers in front of me right now but it wasn’t significant where we need to re-evaluate the whole traffic model or the whole traffic circulation in this area. Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Alright, Ms. Aanenson, anything else? Kate Aanenson: Yeah, we have a couple of drawings on the G Drive. I’m going to try to pull those up here. If you can give me just one minute. So they showed kind of the perspective looking from the neighbors and, we’ll just load this up in a second. Councilman Laufenburger: Can I just, Mr. Mayor? Mr. Oehme, who has decision authority on when that, the top of that ramp gets changed? Is that a State authority, County authority or is that the City’s authority? Paul Oehme: It’s MnDOT jurisdiction. The State’s jurisdiction but they would, since it’s a local impact, development driven, more traffic in that area, they look to us to, you know to work with us on evaluating when that turn lane should be going in. Councilman Laufenburger: How about the cost? Covering the cost of taking those two lanes right now, the left turn and then the straight through and right turn, the cost of widening that if necessary or re- striping it or re-timing. Is that a City responsibility or is that a MnDOT responsibility? Paul Oehme: Well 101 is County and MnDOT has jurisdiction again on the off ramp. It’s a local street into the development so we potentially would have about you know 25% of potential improvements to the intersection. If there’s a signal changed to the intersection but in terms of the turn lane, which is under MnDOT’s jurisdiction, I don’t think they would, we would be responsible for that cost. I mean that’s something that would have to be worked out in the future. There are grant dollars that the City can apply for. Cooperative grant dollars that could help offset some of the cost that MnDOT has for those improvements but we’d be a partner in trying to get those improvements made. Councilman Laufenburger: Paul here’s the reason for my question. I think that while it sounds like 2020 is like a check point, is that right? I’m hearing issues right now where if somebody is lined up to go straight through. Let’s see you’re headed east on 212 and you come and you make the circle ramp, you’re 9 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 at the top of the ramp now and if you’re heading east and somebody behind you wants to make a right turn, what they find themselves doing is kind of inching their way between that car and the curb. So there’s appears to be a wide enough area there so I guess I would encourage that if there’s something that could be done sooner than later that would make sense from a safety standpoint and also just accommodating that turn. Paul Oehme: Okay. That’s good information. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Ms. Aanenson. Kate Aanenson: Thank you Mayor. So back to looking at the proposal, the project. So the building that we’re looking at for site plan approval tonight then before you is this building but this illustrative drawing shows the, kind of the mix of the entire site so to date we have the Kwik Trip and the car wash built, and Primrose so these are the additional buildings. Now all these buildings then in this area would have cross access agreements so this drawing is newer than when it went to the Planning Commission. I think it shows a little bit more clearly the sidewalks and the buffer. The additional landscaping. In addition we asked that we show the perspective. I did want to show on this McDonalds sign here then. This would be facing from the Kwik Trip, those would be not permitted so you did see some of these. So these are the perspectives I wanted to share with you then so this would be the drawings from the Springfield neighborhood. How far that would be and you can see the change in grade and so again if you look at those contours, as I stated earlier the cars sitting 2 feet below, the lowest part of the berm and then it goes up another 2 feet so you’re really 4 feet below kind of that point of the top of the berm here and then you’ve got that additional landscaping. Then you’ve got in excess of 800 feet then as you get towards the neighborhood there. So we really don’t believe that as far as the car lights or those sort of things, that it should be an impact. In addition there will be development in this area of the project in front of the Southwest Transit. Some additional housing in that area there. So with that another perspective from a different house there. Again to kind of summarize the total square footage there and so the PUD then does allow for the coffee shop drive thru and that’s what we specifically said. We said not for fast food. In working with them, trying to put it on a different site on the property, a different use, quantifying it under that 4,000 square feet with the driveway, the staff felt that because it was a permitted use, the restaurant itself, that we could manage that in such a way, through the design that we felt that that PUD amendment did make sense. In addition we did talk about kind of some of those trip generations that were warranted and based on that Kwik Trip really generates more trips and that is considered a neighborhood use than with the fast food. Similarly look at the daycare just slightly less than that so with that in mind, kind of taking all those factors into consideration because I think that came up as a challenge to the Planning Commission. Is this a neighborhood use or not and how many trips are going to be there that would be outside the neighborhood or people coming from further away so again kind of felt consistent with maybe who may be going to the gas station or the daycare some of them outside the neighborhood that felt the Planning Commission in addition concurred with that, that it could be made to fit that definition of the neighborhood use. So with that we are recommending approval, as did the Planning Commission for the construction of the one story building, adoption of the Findings of Fact and also in addition to that we are recommending the approval of the summary ordinance for publication purposes. So with that I’d be happy to answer any questions that you have. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Questions for staff. Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Couple years ago I learned a big lesson when Burger King came in on Highway 5 and Galpin and they really, that was never in our plans to have something like that actually appear in it and see that it just kind of happened overnight. Are there any potential opportunities for other fast food restaurants with drive thru’s to develop in this parcel? 10 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Kate Aanenson: Well the way that we have the PUD ordinance structured would be that, if you read the ordinance as stated in place, it would require another amendment because right now we’re saying it can only be at this specific location. There is potential for a bank with a drive thru, which is permitted so this is a restaurant. I’m not sure for their purposes that that would work but any other drive thru would again, besides the bank, would have to come back in for another amendment. Councilwoman Tjornhom: But is this building allowing this use setting a precedence for the rest of the development? Kate Aanenson: No because, I don’t know how you could put one on the end of this one. I guess. Councilwoman Tjornhom: And I don’t mean to put you on the spot but, because I learned my lesson that it’s better to think of these things now than later. Kate Aanenson: Well I guess the staff’s position is, and the Planning Commission felt this way, because we had contemplated a drive thru at this location, then the discussion became if we accepted a drive thru and fast food restaurant is a permitted use, and how do they function? What are the traffic components? So we tried to measure that up against what’s permitted in the neighborhood district? How does that neighborhood district function and so based on those criteria we felt that that would work. So is there room for somewhere else? Not as it’s written in the ordinance. They’d have to give up square footage in order to accommodate that to make it work. They’d have to give up some additional square footage for one of the future buildings. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Because I mean I understand what the neighborhood is thinking and feeling and so I would hate to even expand upon that use even more and so I just would like to clarify for the fact that it would be very difficult. Kate Aanenson: Right, and I think too to that point, you know we had a large gap between when Kwik Trip came in and the Primrose and it sat there for a while and Primrose at that location wasn’t what we contemplated either so I think within that framework we always try to stick to what uses we have permitted in there and that was our goal from the beginning with the developer when they started looking at doing a free standing one. A much larger that we discouraged that and they really wanted to try to go forward with that so they worked hard to get it into what we believe, what could have been the same space. A little bit larger than the coffee and try to make it function and meet those same desires so I think we worked hard or they worked hard, the applicant worked really hard to make that design work. It was 6 months of just trying to say could it even meet those goals. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Thank you Kate. Todd Gerhardt: Mayor, council members. The action that you would take tonight would not establish a precedent for future projects down the line. The request tonight is to include a drive thru so if there was to be another drive thru other than the bank they would have to go through the same process that Kraus- Anderson is taking you through tonight so there is no precedent setting. The applicant or whoever it may be can always come back before the council and request but your actions tonight would not set a precedent. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Thank you. Mayor Furlong: And Mr. Gerhardt, the would be true not only on this site but of other areas that are guided for neighborhood commercial? 11 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Todd Gerhardt: That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Because this is a PUD and specific to this. Todd Gerhardt: That is correct. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Other questions for Ms. Aanenson. Councilwoman Ernst: Mayor, I’ve got a question. Mayor Furlong: Councilwoman Ernst. Councilwoman Ernst: Kate, when I was reading through the packet I noticed that there, well two things and correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that it said that Kwik Trip today, actually there’s probably about 3,000 cars. 3,000 some odd cars that go to Kwik Trip today, is that correct? Kate Aanenson: Do you want to answer that Paul? Paul Oehme: Yeah, approximately 3,000, yeah. Councilwoman Ernst: And so one of the concerns that was brought up was the daycare and how the traffic backs up today, and I read the response to that and I just wasn’t quite comfortable with the response. I’m wondering if you can expound on that a little bit more because that seems like it could create a real issue. Paul Oehme: The traffic at the daycare, are you referring to the intersection at Lyman or? Councilwoman Ernst: It is at the intersection of Crossroads Boulevard. Kate Aanenson: And Lyman? Councilwoman Ernst: And Lyman. Paul Oehme: And Lyman? And Lyman, okay. You know that’s one of those intersections that we are monitoring. I know the County had some concerns with that intersection as well. There is I think an a.m. and p.m. peak hour back-up right in there now currently but when the model was completed, you know the level of service at the time waiting for vehicles to get onto Lyman Boulevard based upon other intersections that see that type of traffic, the wait times were at an acceptable level at this time. In the future though again we’re going to be monitoring that intersection. You know there might be a need for a signal in the future if and when that, the next phase of the development comes through there. Maybe there’s some other access restraints or configurations that we have to look at too to make that intersection flow a little bit better. To my knowledge there hasn’t been any accidents at that intersection but that’s one thing that you know again we’re going to be monitoring in the future and if we need to make some changes there we’re definitely going to look at that. Councilwoman Ernst: Yeah, because with the increased traffic that will be coming through there I would have some concerns with that so. Paul Oehme: Okay. Councilwoman Ernst: Thank you. 12 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Other questions? Mr. Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger: Thank you Mr. Mayor. Paul regarding that intersection, Crossroads Boulevard and Lyman, it’s kind of a self regulating queue on there isn’t there because as they exit Primrose with their cars facing east, they can turn south towards Lyman or they can turn left toward a controlled intersection, right? Paul Oehme: That’s correct. There’s two access points there so you know. Councilman Laufenburger: If somebody wants to go west on Lyman they would likely go south towards Crossroads Boulevard and then make that right turn. And if they wanted to go anywhere else they might even go to the controlled intersection. Paul Oehme: They definitely could do that too. Councilman Laufenburger: I suppose unless they were going south on 101, in which case they might try to make that left turn onto Lyman. Paul Oehme: Right, and I believe you know, I believe that the traffic for the McDonalds and the improvements that we’re talking about tonight, a lot of that traffic is going to be directed more to the north. Councilman Laufenburger: Towards the controlled intersection. Paul Oehme: To the controlled intersection than to the south. Todd Gerhardt: And you’ve got the free right if you’re going to go south. Councilman Laufenburger: Right. Kate bear with me on this. I have some notes kind of spattered th throughout the packet. There was mention too, this was back in 2008, January 24 the City requested the vacation of right-of-way along old Trunk Highway 101. Portion of the old highway, etc. Has MnDOT vacated old 101 both north of 212 and south of 212? Kate Aanenson: I know they have south. Do you want to comment on that Paul? Councilman Laufenburger: How about north of 212? Paul Oehme: North of 212. Councilman Laufenburger: By the Gateway, has that been vacated as well? Paul Oehme: Exactly, yeah. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. Alright. Let’s see. Just bear with me Mr. Mayor for a second. Okay Kate. Initially, I’m quoting from your packet. Initially the applicant proposed replacing the bank building with a stand alone fast food restaurant and staff was opposed to that drive thru approach. Can you talk about why? Kate Aanenson: Sure because I think that, to us that really moved away. 13 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Councilman Laufenburger: By the way just, could you just reference the area on the screen? Kate Aanenson: Yes, thank you. So this is the bank building. Councilman Laufenburger: Or it’s identified as a bank. There’s no bank tenant going in there. Kate Aanenson: That’s correct. That’s correct. Councilman Laufenburger: Is there any money waiting there? Kate Aanenson: No. Mayor Furlong: It’s buried. Kate Aanenson: It’s buried, yeah. Councilman Laufenburger: So why did the staff oppose that? Kate Aanenson: The reason being is that we thought that moved too far away from the integrity of the intent of the ordinance. We always anticipated the original plans always showed a coffee drive thru at the end of the building so we thought that was truer to the original approval so being the fact that again as I stated earlier that it was always contemplated a drive thru. It just moved from a permitted use of restaurant to now a restaurant with a drive thru. That was the change so we thought that would, and it kept the size smaller for that type of a use as opposed to the bank building which is significantly larger. And while we’re on that I just want to point out one other thing which I didn’t mention. This came up at the Planning Commission is that if you recall when Kwik Trip came in they wanted a big pylon sign and the staff really supported not doing that and. Councilman Laufenburger: Remind us why they wanted a big pylon sign. Kate Aanenson: So you could see it from quite a ways away and we felt that was really moving away from the integrity of what we thought was kind of more neighborhood and that people that want to see it, they can see the blue signs and come off the, and find it but we felt it really moved away from that. Councilman Laufenburger: So you’re saying somebody turning onto 212 in Mitchell, South Dakota won’t be able to see that Kwik Trip sign above the freeway? Kate Aanenson: That’s right. That’s right, but so just to be clear I want to show those McDonalds sign there’s an additional one that’s showing on the north side, facing Kwik Trip that does have to be removed so they get the two signs. One on the internal. One on 101 and there is no additional monument signs or anything on that so it’s really pretty low key as far as the colors. You know they’ve got just the one, the gold color that’s their theme so I think the staff and the applicant worked really hard to make that again blend into the architecture that we already had set in place for that whole project so there’s not additional signage. Yes, there could potentially be a restaurant blue sign on 212 as does Kwik Trip but we tried not to put a big pylon sign that people could see from all over. That was not our intent I wanted to make sure that was clear. That’s part of the site plan approval that you’d be approving tonight. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. One more thing Kate. Do we know specifically all of the tenants that are earmarked for this facility and has that been confirmed with the developer or is that still in question? 14 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Kate Aanenson: The only one I’m aware of is the one that you’ve approved, and that was for a liquor store that you have approved a liquor license for. That’s the only one I’m aware of that’s ready to go forward. The applicant may have additional information on the other mix of tenants in there. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. I’m going to piggy back on what Councilwoman Ernst said. There was a question raised, and I’ll quote, the proposed use will not tend to or actually depreciate the area in which it is proposed and the finding is the proposed use is intended to meet the daily needs of the area. It could potentially add convenience to the homeowners in the area. Can you think of any manner in which a fast food restaurant with a drive thru could potentially depreciate any element of this area? Kate Aanenson: I guess again we looked at it from not just this specific user, because when we look at fast food as a generic because somebody else could come in there and I think because we did non- traditional franchise architect, this isn’t their prototype, they wanted to be here. They were willing to provide much higher standards that it’s a nice looking building and it’s integrated so I think it blends in well. Councilman Laufenburger: Is there any evidence to suggest that, ah I’m not going to ask that one. Just a moment. This is for you Paul. Do I read this right? Mayor Furlong: Sit up straight. Councilman Laufenburger: Sorry. Under the traffic it says MnDOT requires that the traffic study must be updated to include an analysis of traffic volumes to the year 2023. That’s not a misprint right? Paul Oehme: Right. Councilman Laufenburger: So they want us to update and anticipate what the traffic will be 10 years out, is that correct? Paul Oehme: They want us to project, yeah. Councilman Laufenburger: Can we effectively do that? Paul Oehme: We can. And I think Westwood is working on that. We just haven’t seen the final. Councilman Laufenburger: Can you speak to that when you come up? Okay. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. Any other questions at this time for staff? Ms. Aanenson, I’m going to go back to some basics perhaps but PUD. Using a PUD here rather than just standard ordinance and I think you started mentioning that and generally that’s going to provide a trade-off between some relief maybe that the developer’s looking from the standard ordinance and then the City’s going to ask for something more. But you mentioned the architecture of the buildings is one aspect that’s been perceived in your mind I think as one of the benefits of using the PUD here. What are some of the other aspects of that? Utilizing the PUD here as opposed to just standard ordinance. Kate Aanenson: Sure. We talked about architecture. We can also talk about signage. It’s also a prescript list of uses that could go in there. If you look at what the underlying land use, it said commercial or high density. Now if you look back at the original plans, we anticipated a couple hundred unit apartment building there so over time it really limited or narrowed those list of uses. A shorter list of uses that seemed, that worked within this area, the confines of this area and then within that we provided 15 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 cross access agreements so we could have you know walking between the uses and I guess those would be the main points right there. And each one is unique. So this is unique to this neighborhood, which might be a PUD with a neighborhood commercial. Might have some little bit different attributes but again it’s very unique to this corner. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright, and then I think it was also mentioned earlier the Burger King up at Highway 5, Century Boulevard with the, which was, is that also PUD? Kate Aanenson: Yes. Mayor Furlong: It is? Kate Aanenson: Yes. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Neighborhood PUD so very similar that went in when they asked for the drive thru there. It wasn’t identified as a Burger King as the tenant because we were approving a type of use, not a specific user. What has been the experience, and maybe Mr. Oehme this is part of the traffic issue there to, what has been, do we have any sense of what the experience has been there? Have the fears been realized? Have the benefits not? Kate Aanenson: I think the first one was the smell. We did talk to the owner of that one and we addressed that within the first month or two and they upgraded their hoods and how they managed that so we have not had complaints. We have been up there checking on that too over time and that, and traffic again we did go look at, for this application we did go look at some other, not only in this community but in surrounding communities to see what the stacking lane, just to make sure that we had confidence in what we’re recommending to you and so we did not see the problems there as far as stacking or blocking of other uses in the, that would be in that multi-tenant building. Mayor Furlong: And with regard to the problems you said you identified early on, within a month and you asked the tenant or the developer to make some corrections. Have those been incorporated in this development already? Kate Aanenson: Correct. Yes they have. Yeah, we’ve learned from those, yes. Mayor Furlong: Okay, so we’re starting out at a better position or what’s being proposed here is in a better position than what… Kate Aanenson: That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Okay. And Mr. Oehme, any issues with regard to traffic problems or problems in the neighborhood at all with that development? Paul Oehme: With the Burger King development Mayor, you know that was one of the bigger concerns going into that development. I know there were some concerns with patrons from Burger King going into the neighborhood and some turn around issues in the neighborhood and to my knowledge that hasn’t th come to fruition. I haven’t had any calls you know with those issues. I know 78 Street functions well at this point in time. I don’t see any issues with that intersection how that functions right now. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Do we have any other experiences of a similar type of use in a neighborhood commercial in town or others in neighboring towns that you’re aware of? 16 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Kate Aanenson: No, just the other one that we’ve got the other McDonalds that it’s a neighborhood across the street off of Dakota there. Mayor Furlong: Off Dakota near Highway 5. Kate Aanenson: Yeah. Yeah. Mayor Furlong: Okay. And what has been our experience there? Kate Aanenson: Well again we have learned through all these of you know how to manage those and they do a good job as you know we’ve talked to them about managing the cleaning up of the site. Just with any other good property manager and we’ve talked to them about how they’re going to take care of that and we have you know feel good about how their plan is being proposed to us. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. Todd Gerhardt: Mayor and council members, we get a couple calls on the Thai restaurant in the downtown area but they’re very quick to, it’s typically a maintenance issue in cleaning those grill covers and filters and both Axel’s and the Thai restaurant are probably within 100 feet of residential there. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Okay, thanks. If there are no other questions for staff at this time I would invite the applicant to come forward and address the council. Good evening. Jack Appert: Good evening. Honorary Mayor Furlong and members of the council, my name’s Jack Appert. I’m with Kraus-Anderson. First off thank you for your consideration of this proposal. We’ve worked for a while with both Kate and Sharmeen and I’ll say they were very thorough in going through this and I think you’ll find that we came up with what will be a great development for the city. In addition I’m here with our team, Kathy Anderson, the architect and John Hagen and Dan Parks from Westwood so they should be able to address a lot of the questions you’d have in particular. The traffic concerns also. In regards to this setting a precedent, the lease that we have with McDonalds, one of their exclusives is there can’t be any other quick service drive thru or anything like that on the site so it’s I guess a non-issue for at least the term of their 20 year lease. And the traffic study, and I’ll have John speak a little more to that. We did do one through the year 2032 and I believe the City has that and the County and MnDOT has it as well and that I think shows everything that was needed so I will open it up to any questions. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions? Apperdin, is that correct? Jack Appert: Appert. Mayor Furlong: Appert? Sorry about that. Jack Appert: Yeah, that’s alright. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for Mr. Appert? Mr. Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah just I raised, thanks Jack for doing this and also understand that you’ve been very proactive in connecting with the citizens so I just acknowledge that on your part. I would like to know a little bit more about the details of what the traffic study has taught us so if that’s something you or John could address. 17 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Jack Appert: Yeah, I’ll have John come up. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. If you wouldn’t mind. John let me frame this, first your name and who you are. We need that for the record. Mayor Furlong: Please. John Hagen: Mr. Mayor, members, excuse me. I apologize for my voice. I’ve got a little bit of a cold but Mr. Mayor, members of the council, my name is John Hagen. I’m with Westwood Professional Services. I did the traffic study for this development. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Councilman Laufenburger: John, let me frame this. There’s going to be a lot of activity on 101 or there has been up til now for the last 5-6 years the upgrade of 101. The realignment off of Lake Susan, etc. The City already has plans underway to improve the road substantially from Lyman south to Pioneer and eventually we, many of us would like to see an improvement in the circuitous route that we take south 101, and then of course onto the ever permanent, never flooding again 101 to Shakopee. So what I’m wondering is what have you learned in your study, what have you learned about the traffic that will be on 101 in the next 10-20 years, okay? John Hagen: Yes. Thanks. One of the things that we did, in the packet there was a requirement by MnDOT, Minnesota Department of Transportation to do a 20 year forecast. Originally when we came up with the scope we did a year of opening or 1 year post development and that’s pretty typical for a development of this size. MnDOT however wanted us to take a look at a 20 year forecast so that 2023 I think in the packet actually is 2032 is what we did the update to the original traffic study. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. So you went out 20 years from when essentially last year when you really stepped up your, okay. John Hagen: Correct. Correct. And how, there was an earlier question about you know how would we project that traffic. Essentially what we did is we worked with MnDOT staff, MnDOT traffic forecasting staff. They have you know traffic forecasting models that will take a look at land use and look at projections you know from the City, from the County and they’ll develop traffic forecasts based off of that. With this being a little bit smaller study we didn’t re-run the regional model for those forecasts. However we worked with MnDOT staff to come up with a growth rate that would give us the same traffic volumes in their 20 year forecast but that we could then apply to our existing traffic, so that’s essentially what we did to come up with that 20 year, or the 2032 traffic volumes so. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. And can you, is it possible for you to contrast what’s the traffic, what’s the daily traffic today versus what you expect it to be in 2032? Are you able to paint that picture for us? John Hagen: Yeah. Essentially what the, it’s about 1.2, about a 1.2-1.25 growth rate you know factor. So you take what the existing volumes are right now and you multiply it by a factor of 1.2, 1.21 approximately would be what the. Councilman Laufenburger: That would be annual growth rate or that would be the growth rate over 20 years? 18 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 John Hagen: It’s a 1 percent growth rate per year but it’s compounded over that time so it’s essentially a growth factor of 1.21. Councilman Laufenburger: Oh, okay. John Hagen: So but it’s yes, it’s 1 percent per year compounded. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. John Hagen: And that was an agreed upon, you know we worked with MnDOT and County staff to come up with well what should be the appropriate growth rate and in consultation with MnDOT they suggested that we use a one percent. They actually gave us a zero point, you know or a half a percent or a one percent and in order to be conservative we decided that it’d be more appropriate to use the higher one or the one percent per year. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. So why is that traffic study important to this development at this time John? John Hagen: The reason that MnDOT requested the 20 year forecast is, I believe it’s mainly the concern of that ramp intersection. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. John Hagen: Because one of the results that our original traffic study showed is that there would be some vehicular queuing down the ramp towards the main line and so they wanted to see well okay if it’s going to be extended over the next 5 years to the year 2018 which was our original forecast year, what would it be in 20 years, because MnDOT generally likes to look at a 20 year forecast for their larger you know improvements. Councilman Laufenburger: Yep. John Hagen: So that’s why we did the 20 year forecast and what we did, the interesting thing about the 20 year forecast that you know I should point out, there was a question about when that turn lane should go in. That right. Councilman Laufenburger: The right turn headed. John Hagen: That westbound to northbound right turn lane. And one of the things that the study found is that that right turn lane is going to be needed with or without any development on the subject site so essentially what that means is it’s not the subject site that is causing that need. It’s the additional traffic over time that you know whether or not this, I mean if this site remained vacant there still would be a need for that right turn lane in the future. By the year 2032. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. Thank you John. John Hagen: Yep. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other questions on traffic while he’s here? Okay. Don’t go away. Something else might come up. Alright, thank you. John Hagen: Yep. 19 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: Other questions for the applicant? Mr. Appert, you mentioned with this development, curious as to the timing of the rest of the development. Do you have any thoughts or ideas on when some of the other buildings might go forward? Jack Appert: The plan as of right now would be to start the building, I think we have it as 4B, the building we’re talking about, at the beginning of May and then with the idea being that that generates quite a bit of interest to get the other buildings going. Hopefully towards the end of the summer into the fall but if not a pretty realistic expectation would be same time next spring. Then we get another building in so I mean it’s 2 or 3, 4 years to really come to full fruition. Mayor Furlong: To complete the development then. Jack Appert: Yeah. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Alright, very good thank you. Councilman Laufenburger: I did have one more Mr. Mayor. Mayor Furlong: Mr. Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger: Yes. Mr. Appert, referencing a photo that Kate had up earlier, can you show the one that shows the development associated with this. It’s got the yellow highlight on the parking in front of it. There. Okay. We know that the gray area and the yellow area and the yellow building area fronting on 101, all of that will be developed with parking surface. How about that area that’s between the two gray, there. What are you going to do with that? Jack Appert: That will be, you know as of right now the plan is for that just to be rough graded and we’ll put some seed down and grass. The reason being as opposed to doing that whole parking lot right now and then when that building comes, say it’s in 3 months from now, then they end up having to tear up the parking lot and utilities, all that so all the utilities will be put in and stubbed to the different lots. It will just be that that section isn’t put in and strictly because of future construction. Councilman Laufenburger: So you will put utilities into that area. Jack Appert: Yeah, yeah. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay, and then cover it with grass. Jack Appert: Right. Seed and something like that, yep. That’s the plan. Councilman Laufenburger: Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Okay, anything else? Mr. McDonald? Councilman McDonald: Well I’ve got a question. I’m not sure if it’s directed to staff or back to your traffic guy but just wondering as part of your study, did you look at the Kwik Trip as to where does most of it’s traffic come from? Is it neighborhood traffic or is it traffic off of 212? Is it traffic generated because of the bus station across the street? Where is, what kind of, I mean earlier we looked at community development and a lot of the traffic was going to come from within the community to support the business. I’m just wondering how that’s evolved over time. 20 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Jack Appert: Yeah I’ll let John address that. John Hagen: I don’t know if, okay. In regards to your question about the directional distribution or where the traffic is coming to and from. Let’s see if I can move this over a little bit more. There we go. What you see here is a figure that shows the directional distribution of the traffic to and from the proposed development. Essentially about 25% of the traffic is projected to be coming from the south. About 5% to the east on Lyman. About 15% to the west. 35% to the north on 101. And then 5%, 5% to the east on 212 and then 15% on the west of 212. So this directional distribution was consistent with the earlier study that was done for this site and it was also, that original traffic study that was done for the original PUD also based it’s traffic projections and the directional distribution based off of the earlier study of the park and ride. So we feel pretty confident that you know where the traffic will be coming from to this site. I don’t know if that answers your question. Mayor Furlong: Excuse me, Mr. McDonald if I may. Is this, are these directional indications then, are these current or are these projected when the site is fully developed and the other areas are developed as well? Is this a 2032? John Hagen: This is traffic that is destined to and from the proposed development. Mayor Furlong: In what time period? Currently? 2032 or do we expect that to be the same throughout the. John Hagen: Well it essentially is what would be if the development was open right now, or you know in the 5 year timeframe. Mayor Furlong: Okay. John Hagen: So could it change over time? Yeah, I mean depending on development patterns in the city, yeah. You know it could potentially change but the directional distribution was also based off of an existing traffic patterns so it isn’t just you know, we don’t just randomly pick what we think is you know the traffic going to be coming from. We look at existing traffic patterns in the area and then we also look at future development potential so I don’t know if that answers your question. Mayor Furlong: Perhaps. I mean as Councilman Laufenburger talked about the development to the north of this site. To the north of 212 is fairly well developed. To the south along 101 there will continue to be improvements there. More development within Chanhassen and better access to Chanhassen from Shakopee along that corridor so I’m curious if that’s why if this is where, once 101 to the south becomes completely upgraded and completed would we expect 25% of the traffic to come from there or could it be more. I guess I’m trying to understand is this present day, if it was fully developed currently with the road structure or when the roads are fully upgraded as planned, this is what we would expect. John Hagen: Well one thing Mr. Mayor, one thing to keep in mind is that the development, the proposed development is neighborhood commercial and so there are different travel sheds. You know different, you know if this was more of a regional then you would have that expectation that it would draw from a larger area. Most, if not all of the land uses that are in here are you know neighborhood commercial type land uses. They aren’t generally considered destinations. I mean even the fast food restaurant, we expect that less than 50%, you know there was a number of 1,500 trips being generated by the fast food. Well that’s new trips. That’s not new trips. What that is is there is 50, at least 50% of the traffic that’s going to be coming in and out of the fast food restaurant is already on the existing roadway system and that’s an average, nationwide of you know what you would expect from a fast food. And so getting back to your 21 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 question, because of the type of land uses, you know it won’t draw from as large of an area as something more regional. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Thank you. Mr. McDonald, other questions? Councilman McDonald: I think you answered my question but I’m not sure you really got to the heart of it. Again what I’m trying to get at, it’s not so much that it becomes a destination. It’s, and this is where it’s maybe more directed towards staff but it’s I believe things have changed over time from when the Kwik Trip was there plus the bus station plus the development there, that these in fact are drawing from outside of the neighborhood and even what you’re showing here is that a large part of, and again you’ve got other businesses so are these numbers just geared towards a McDonalds or are they geared toward this development as a whole as to what you see happening? John Hagen: The directional distribution is for the site as a whole. Councilman McDonald: Okay, for the site as a whole so McDonalds has got a portion of that but not necessarily those numbers and I guess my question again towards staff and I’m not sure you can answer this but I’m just wondering has things changed? When Kwik Trip came in there, and again we elected not to give them the sign off of 212 to draw business in. They more or less become survival based upon the neighborhood and you know can they sustain it and I’m wondering did that happen or just because word got out, I mean now it’s been oh at least 4 years since Kwik Trip’s been in there. Has now it begun to draw people in from outside of the neighborhoods? Paul Oehme: Well maybe the developer or somebody from Kwik Trip can answer that but I know the business itself is doing well. Councilman McDonald: I’d say quite well. Paul Oehme: It’s doing quite well and I believe you know a lot of that has been generated by the neighborhood interest in that facility so you know we haven’t had a traffic study just to look at what the distribution is for traffic just for the Kwik Trip but yeah I’d imagine that a substantial amount of it is generated locally. Councilman McDonald: Okay, thank you. Todd Gerhardt: Mayor, council. John, if you could put that drawing back up. Wouldn’t you kind of describe anything going on Lyman or 101 to be kind of local traffic generation and then the regional draw would be the 212. John Hagen: Correct. Todd Gerhardt: So your local traffic, if you add the percentages up would be 80% of the traffic using this retail site would be off of Lyman and 101. You have 20% of your traffic, 15 coming from the west. 5% coming from the east that would be more regional. People coming through needing gas. People coming through wanting to stop at any of the retail shops. So 20% of the traffic using the retail development would be outside the neighborhood and then 80% within probably a 5 mile radius. John Hagen: That’s correct. Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Councilman Laufenburger. 22 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah, John the only thing I would say is that I, while I don’t question your numbers. You’re in this business. I am not. Just in my mind I’m thinking that knowing that Eden Prairie is municipal liquor and Haskell’s is doing quite well and they’re getting a lot of Eden Prairie traffic. Now Haskell’s is north of 5. That arbitrary barrier between the north and south, and we know about that barrier don’t we council members. Mayor Furlong: We keep getting reminded. Councilman Laufenburger: Thank you. I would think that the, thinking of the project, that 5% and 25% that could be coming from that south Eden Prairie, I think that could be a traffic draw. That’s purely supposition and I expect that the manager of that liquor store would welcome that opportunity but I just anticipate that that could bring in some of that traffic if the success at Haskell’s is any indication of what might happen. Thank you for letting me make that comment. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Other questions for the applicant. Councilwoman Ernst: Mayor, I have a question. Mayor Furlong: Councilwoman Ernst. Councilwoman Ernst: And this, actually this might be geared more toward staff regarding site lighting. Can you tell me, it appears as though the lights in the parking lot are going to be shielded and they can’t be more than 25 feet tall. Kate Aanenson: Correct. And there’s an illustrative plan in the packet showing how that works. Councilwoman Ernst: Right. And there’s supposed to be minimal parking. Do we know how many poles are going to be in that particular site? Kate Aanenson: I don’t have that plan in front of, here tonight but we do have a copy of that but if you look at their illustrative plan. I’m looking for here that shows that if you remember when we put this project together, one of the reasons why we put the buildings around the perimeter is to create that noise attenuation, lighting so all that would occur on the inside of the project and not on the perimeter. If you go back to the original one that we looked at in 2005, it had a completely different look and I think that was very intentional to try to work through those. Again putting the gas station, which is a 24 hour operation to the north and that sort of thing where it’s a bit noisier so that was all very intentional. Again the same thing with the fast food. Putting that on that north side with the direct curvature of the building to make sure that that provided the best screening for the neighborhood. Councilwoman Ernst: So can we say for sure then that that’s not going to cause any neighborhood interference with the lighting? I know that’s putting you on the spot. Kate Aanenson: It’s not our intent to do that and I think that plan reflects that’s the goal, correct. Councilwoman Ernst: Okay. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant? Mr. Appert, anything else you’d like to share with us this evening? Jack Appert: No, I don’t think so. 23 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: Okay. Jack Appert: Any other questions just let me know. Mayor Furlong: Alright, very good. We may have a few that come up but, so thank you. There was a public hearing held at the Planning Commission and the City Council’s received those Minutes verbatim so we know what was said there. I don’t know if there’s anybody that wanted to provide some public comment here but we’d certainly welcome listening to comments from the public. If you’d like to come forward, state your name and address for the record please, I’d appreciate it. P.J. Dehghani: Good evening Mayor and council. My name is P.J. Dehghani. Dehghani. 8940 Reflections Road. It’s the new Lennar development. First of all I wanted to say that you know this is during spring break. A lot of the neighbors on our email list did shoot out an email saying hey let them know that more of us would be here. Luckily they’re in the sun. We’re stuck in the cold but there is, there has been a lot of excitement about this development. As we all moved in a lot of us have moved in recently. I personally have been in commercial real estate development for the last 10 years so I did my research on this particular parcel and on the PUD and was very encouraged to see that there was a restriction on what could be drive thru only to the coffee shop and it actually specifically says 50% coffee sales so it’s preventing it from being not only a fast food drive thru but a you know Dunkin Donuts or something like that. It really limited it to what would bring your mind to a Caribou or Starbucks or Dunn Brothers and then also a drive thru bank. So that was something that was very encouraging and I feel a lot of us feel for the price of the homes going up in this neighborhood, that was an appropriate use. So when we hear that there is, and as mentioned restaurants are an approved use but when you see a restaurant without a drive thru you think of fast casual. You think of you know possibly a Jimmy John’s or Chipotle or something that has a different stigma to it than a drive thru McDonalds. So that to me is something really significant. There’s also, you know as you look at the site plan, due to the size of it there’s a, it doesn’t work here but a detached trash enclosure in the middle of that drive thru seems extremely out of place and it’s a function of not enough parking on the site that it was put there and it’s also, you know if you look at where the trash enclosure is on the Kwik Trip, it’s attached to the building. This is a detached trash enclosure facing 101. The other thing when you think of, you know I was looking at the website of the City of Chanhassen, it talks about the reasons for amendments to the zoning and one of them is that it’s in harmony with the existing approved uses and it’s hard to understand how a former law that says you can’t have drive thru fast food is in harmony with just changing that and saying you now are allowed to have a fast food restaurant with a drive thru. When you think of a, even if it was a fast food without a drive thru, you think of the hours of operation. Typically fast food with a drive thru they shut down at 10:00 p.m. and it’s just the drive thru window open to 2:00 which now implies that we’re going to have late night traffic, you know 1:00-2:00 a.m. Hopefully the liquor store won’t be open that late as well. That’s a bad combination but that, it’s hard to understand how that works. There’s harmony, even though it wasn’t approved fast food and approved drive thru for coffee, you’re just changing it and yes I understand there’s not precedent because you’d have to come in front of this body but you’re changing the zoning once. Let’s say it’s 5-6 years from now. There’s a new council and mayor, you know perhaps they change that a second time. So that’s a concern. It also talks about that it can’t change the essential character of the locality and I would, and I know a lot of our neighbors and the folks in the Springfield neighborhood would say that turning off to your homes and seeing a drive thru McDonalds does change the character as opposed to something that was limited to a drive thru coffee shop or bank. I think there’s something significant there. It also says that the decision has to be not based entirely on economics and if it’s not based on economics then I’d venture to say they could just do away with the drive thru component. We don’t own the land. We understand that development is, there’s a series of approved uses and I don’t think anyone’s saying don’t do it. We’re just saying don’t change the rules. Don’t change the feeling of the locality. So I brought up the trash enclosure. The stigma. The 2020 traffic projections, that’s 6 1/2 years away. 2020 sounds like a long ways away. It’s only 6 1/2 24 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 years away. By the time this is built and if it takes 3 or 4 years for this development to build out, we’re a couple years away so there are concerns. I would have hoped that the City would have hired their own traffic engineers. I’ve hired traffic engineers. The results are a lot better when they’re hired by me than when they’re hired by the City. With all due respect to the professional, I am a civil engineer by profession. Haven’t practiced in a long while so that’s just another comment. Making sure I haven’t forgotten anything. I’m sure I have and I’m sure there’s other folks here to talk about it but I would ask that you consider the precedent being set for future amendments, not just in this development. For a developer coming in and saying hey, you gave it over there. Why wouldn’t you give it to us? Whether it’s you know over here. Across the street. Wherever else. And I just ask you to consider the stigma on that corner for us. My son goes to Primrose. You know that traffic pattern out there. People aren’t going to pull off to go to a walk in fast food if it was a Subway or something else. They are going to pull over at 8:00 a.m. to grab you know a sandwich or whatever and the late night traffic is a huge concern. I won’t take up all your time. I appreciate you hearing our comments. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. Ms. Aanenson, quick comments. One of the comments that the gentleman just made was about the trash enclosure. Do you want to comment about it’s placement and location. th Kate Aanenson: Sure. That’s pretty similar to what we have up at the Taco Bell up on West 78 Street. th It’s actually right up against West 78 Street. It’s integrated into the sign there. It does meet ordinance. It’s landscaped around it. We do have other sites that are somewhat similar to that. It’s not the first time we’ve done one like that. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Yes, Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Let’s talk a little bit about the evening hours. What are the evening hours for the Kwik Trip, do you know? Kate Aanenson: I’m not sure if they’re open 24. Mayor Furlong: If you could come up. Kate Aanenson: They’re open 24 hours. Councilwoman Tjornhom: 24 hours a day? Mayor Furlong: Is that correct Mr. Appert? Jack Appert: Yeah. Yes. Mayor Furlong: 24 hours a day, okay. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Alright. Thank you. Ms. Aanenson, any other comments with regard to the questions about harmony of usage and whether or not… Kate Aanenson: Yeah I’ll go back to, I think the Planning Commission really studied the issue and again went back to look at, you can get coffee at McDonalds and breakfast foods too so they felt you know again looking at the stacking and the timing of what takes longer to go through, whether it was coffee and they gave some, what they believe was not maybe empirical but maybe more antidotal type information 25 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 about how long it would take to go through and they felt actually the convenience food at McDonalds might be faster to go through as far as stacking but they felt that it could come through and I’m not sure that there’s maybe if this was a different type of drive thru that there would be different feelings but again we don’t look at that type of and that’s what the Planning Commission spent some time on. If it wasn’t a McDonalds, if it was some other type of drive thru, would the feelings be different and that’s kind of what they came down to is they didn’t want to get into that decision making. They wanted to put fast food coverage on there and not call out the McDonalds and said if this was a drive thru sandwich shop would we have a different feeling and that’s kind of how they looked at it. Not the branding of that particular type. They felt like the function still as the drive thru and that’s what they really zeroed in on was that type of thing and we had that discussion before. I mean if you look at even, if you look Culver’s which has a drive thru, and looked at some times when you could get breakfast food at a coffee shop, you know sometimes those sort of things so they spent a lot of time talking about that issue and felt like all things, that they could support that amendment based on that criteria and the architectural look and the way it’s faced against a business that’s open 24 hours and those sort of things so. Mayor Furlong: Okay, thank you. Councilman Laufenburger: Mr. Mayor. Mayor Furlong: Follow up questions? Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah. Kate, can you talk a little bit more about how many cars this turn, or this access for the drive thru, how many cars would be in there? Kate Aanenson: Yeah the queuing is for a double lane coming through to the menu board so I believe it’s about 6 that would come through there. Councilman Laufenburger: So 6 cars total from wherever they pick up their food all the way back. Kate Aanenson: From the menu board yeah coming around and picking up their food. And again we do go look at, observed other similar type ones in this community and others to see how they function at peak hours to make sure we were comfortable with how this would circulate and work in the community. Councilman Laufenburger: Please, Mr. Appert. Jack Appert: This is, as far as the stacking goes it’s 6 and 6 at the double and then it’s, I believe it’s 14 from all the way up to the pick up. Councilman Laufenburger: So in the double area where the menu boards are, 6 cars on both sides? Jack Appert: I’m sorry, it’s 3 and 3. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay 3 and 3 and then from there. Jack Appert: And then it’s another 8 or so to get, that you can fit in the actual waiting area after you order your food but the idea is and why they do this double is that never even gets full. I think at their most busy location they need like 12 to make it work and this one has more than enough for that. Councilman Laufenburger: I’m thinking of, I’m trying to picture the McDonalds that currently exists on Dakota Lane, or on Highway 5. Okay. Do you have any idea on how many cars between the double menu board and where you pick up your food or where you pay for it? 26 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Jack Appert: I do not. Kate Aanenson: No… Councilman Laufenburger: Well then I won’t tell you what my experience is. What Kate? Kate Aanenson: No, I know they did put a secondary window in there too because they couldn’t do the double lanes at that location so. Councilman Laufenburger: Oh here on Highway 5. Kate Aanenson: Correct, yeah so it’s more linear. They have two lines going but it’s two windows. I don’t think it’s the double. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. Mayor Furlong: Mr. Appert, before you leave then. With regard to the number of cars that are allowed to be stacked in this design, is it anticipated that there’ll be cars extending back out into the thru lanes in the parking area? Jack Appert: No, that was actually something that we worked through quite a bit with Joe when he was here and Sharmeen as well that, that’s why they should never get back into that drive aisle and that was, it had been designed for that. Kate Aanenson: That was a driving point that we spent a lot of time on and that’s where we went, Joe and Sharmeen actually went and, former city engineer and planning staff went and actually observed other ones to make sure we felt comfortable that there wasn’t stacking into the traffic area. Jack Appert: They put us through the wringer on that. Kate Aanenson: Yeah. Mayor Furlong: Alright. I’m just going to say I’m glad that they did, regardless of whether we go forward with this or not, that is something that we’ve observed that is just not acceptable. Kate Aanenson: Yeah, there was a lot of consternation on that. Yeah. Councilman McDonald: Well then that brings up a question I’ve got. You’re talking about the one on Highway 5 and it’s controlled a lot by signage. Are you going to put one way in, you know this is the way in up there at the northern entrance? That’s the way you come in so that you go in and there’s a line so that we don’t have people trying to cut in and everything. Jack Appert: Yeah, they’ll have the directionals, yep. Absolutely. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. We’re still in the public comment period. Appreciate that if there’s others that would like to provide public comment this evening. Scott Paulson: My name is Scott Paulson and I live in the Springfield neighborhood and I sent everyone a copy of a petition that I believe you all received it. Okay. I just have a few comments. P.J. made some really great points and I think he just made the point for me on the drive thru. The fact that there’s 6 that 27 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 can queue and then 8 after for a total of 14 or 12 and that the level of service, they’ll get them through quick enough as opposed to a coffee shop. Well that is intuitive to realize that, that means a lot of traffic through there and that’s the biggest issue. I mean so they can get people through there faster and the people aren’t going to be out in the aisle and the time waiting for their McDonalds breakfast is quicker than a cut of coffee, which is that just goes to show you that people are going to be spinning through there. There’s going to be a lot of people through there and the peak times are the exact peak times for the daycare as well so it’s going to be a cluster there. It’s going to be lots of people there and none of this screams neighborhood friendly to me and there was a reason that 8 years ago or 2008 or 2006 that you put in there no fast food drive thru and I know during the Planning Commission meeting they said times have changed. The only thing that’s changed is we now have an anchor tenant that’s been brought forward. Nothing else has changed. If you believe the economy, we’re supposedly coming on an up tick now and maybe some other business that is more neighborhood friendly will be looking to locate there. Right now the neighbors don’t want McDonalds. I can tell you that right now and the study about coming off of the highway, does that mean they’re not going to put a sign there that says at this exit McDonalds. I know there’s not going to be a pillar sign you know because that’s not allowed but there is going to be one that says McDonalds this exit and it will be the only one on that stretch of the road for miles. Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Thank you Mr. Paulson. Jeffery Hahn: Mr. Mayor, members of the council, thank you for this time. Jeffery Hahn, 62 Summerfield in the Springfield neighborhood. I have family that lives out west of here in the Carver, Norwood area, Waconia and if you drive that stretch you would know that there is no fast food off of 212. The first fast food restaurant directly off of 212 is in downtown Norwood-Young America so as you come east from those western cities this would be the first restaurant, fast food restaurant directly off the highway so just cut to the chase, this will be a truck stop. That’s what this is going to be. Maybe their study says 15% today but I drive to work every morning. Traffic backs up from 494 all the way to 101. Oh look, there’s a new McDonalds. Why not stop and get some coffee instead of sitting in this traffic. Why don’t we cut and head north, cut through. Go over 5. That’s how I do it. There’s fast food less than 2 miles away in downtown Chan. Let’s keep the traffic there. I mean that’s what downtown areas are for. There’s multiple choices you know just a couple miles away from this site. Also the Thai restaurant, Axel’s and BK, all of those are located south of neighborhoods. Not to the, having the facility to the northwest where the prevailing winds will then blow the scent towards us. The neighborhoods on Burger King, Burger King is just north of 5. All of the neighborhoods are north of that Burger King. Same with the Thai restaurant. Same with the other facilities that are in downtown Chanhassen. We will be directly in the prevailing wind of the stench that’s going to be coming from that McDonalds. It’s only 800 feet and like I stated in the other meeting, you know property values have been degrading and turning off a McDonalds to come see my house, or you know turning off 212 and seeing a nice fast food restaurant, that’s the last thing I want as a homeowner. When we bought you know 5 years ago that was, we read the PUD. I mean my mom’s a real estate agent here in Chan. Just for fun she signed our petition and one of the things she did is she looked at quick study. What are the houses just south of McDonalds go for compared to other similar homes in Chanhassen? I’ll tell you, less. It’s not going to help me. Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Thank you Mr. Hahn. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Mr. Mayor, could I ask a question? Mayor Furlong: Yes, Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: This was something I was going to bring up earlier but then I think the mayor or someone brought it up because I think it probably is a real fear for the neighbors, and I would feel the 28 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 same way about having a restaurant venting into the air and going outside enjoying my deck and smelling French fries so can we just discuss that. I know you said that you had complaints with Burger King and they have upgraded their ventilation system so Kate can we talk a little bit about what you perceive will happen with this? Or maybe the developer can, because it really is a concern and I understand that. Jack Appert: That was something that we looked into as well and what it is, in their build-out package it’s what called a high efficiency hood and I don’t expect anybody that’s already opposing this to have any faith in that but that’s basically how they addressed the Burger King as well and Sharmeen went there and she said you know she didn’t smell anything and these high efficiency hoods, what they do and I can’t speak to exactly how they work but basically any grease and the associated odors get trapped in the hood and just the clean air ends up going out through the exhaust and again it might not put too many people’s minds at ease but that’s how they’re intended to work. That’s how they do work. That’s what they did to address the Burger King and that’s how this one will be built in the first place so. Councilman Laufenburger: Jack, are those high efficiency hoods in place in other McDonalds in and around the area, do you know? Jack Appert: The newer ones they probably, they are. I know it’s, these small town retail concepts essentially that’s how they’re designed so I can’t speak for them I guess on all of them but they should be. Councilman McDonald: Well if I could, you know a better example, you talk about being down wind, the McDonalds on 5, those homes are down wind. They’re south of that. Do we get complaints about that one? I have never heard of a complaint about that McDonalds. I’ve only heard about the Burger King and that was in the beginning when it was first put in because there were some bad feelings about that but I’ve never heard any complaints about the McDonalds. Can somebody speak to that? Mayor Furlong: Ms. Aanenson. Kate Aanenson: If I may, I think the Planning Commission struggled with this issue because I think we have to separate, there can be other restaurants in there so I think we have to separate smell issues from visceral feelings about this user so I think if there’s a restaurant in here we have, through our experience of other restaurants in the city worked to mitigate those issues. So whether it’s this convenience, fast food restaurant or any other restaurant that could go in here, which there could be other ones without a drive thru that would have some of the same issues. Trash enclosures. Open later. Those sort of things so we are prepared to address those sort of issues so again, kind of have to separate some of those things. Again if this was a different type of drive thru, a sandwich shop or something like that, maybe some of those same odors might not be, or a pizza place or that sort of thing, those things go with, across all types of restaurants and so we are prepared to manage those and we do have ordinances in place to manage those and that would include hours of operation. Whether there’s alcohol involved you know with a restaurant or something, those are all sort of things that we would deal with on a policy basis and building code basis and property management so. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. Others that would provide some public comment. Good evening. Christine Pederson: Thank you. Christine Pederson, 385 Chesterfield Lane in the Reflections neighborhood. I moved here last June from Oregon and when I was searching for my home I looked everywhere. I wasn’t limited to Chanhassen but I was so impressed by this city. By it’s dedication to green space. We have public transportation. We have fantastic school district. We have lakes. We have wetlands. And now we come to a McDonalds in my neighborhood. My comment is, is more to the fact of what is Chanhassen’s vision. Do we have a vision of where we’re heading because right now we have one McDonalds. We have a Culvers. We have a Taco Bell. We have, we’re going to look like any other 29 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 suburb. I mean what is our vision for growth? And as far as the comment on smell, I would much rather smell the roasting of coffee beans than the grease coming out of a vent. I mean I do think there is a significant smell issue. I do not believe that we’re not setting a precedent with all due respect to the city attorney. I do think we are setting a precedent and I really would love it if you could reconsider because I do think my house will not appreciate. Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. John Aho: Good evening Mr. Mayor and council. Mayor Furlong: Good evening. John Aho: My name is John Aho at 625 Summerfield Drive in the Springfield development. Mayor Furlong: I’m sorry, could you pronounce your last name or spell it? John Aho: John Aho, A-h-o. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. John Aho: And I just wanted to briefly summarize my comments in the petition just to make sure they’re heard and bring out a couple other points that I heard tonight. So we moved here 6 months ago from southwest Minneapolis and we have 3 kids age 4 to 7 so I’m not sure if they made the traffic study for 20 years out but we moved here for the high quality homes, education, neighborhoods and which we’re meeting all of our neighbors and it is a wonderful place to live. Our home has direct line of sight to the development and for a quality development I have no objection. A walkable community based retail development is desirable for us personally. It’s something that we left out on when we left southwest Minneapolis. Although I strongly protest the suggested variance to allow for a drive thru for a restaurant. This was clearly not the intent of the original language, which I suspect was there to restrict the same issues that are here tonight. How can residents be confidence that their voice will be, continue to matter throughout the development phase if these minor adjustments are pushed through without consent. The original deal was very specific to avoid a fast food chain which would quickly change a dynamic of our neighborhood. Allowing this variance would guarantee a fast food is here to stay. Not only in our back yards but in the city for years to come. It appears that roughly a third of the restaurants in Chanhassen are the fast food variety, and I guess it goes to your point of strategy for this city going forward. You know let’s try to help attract the type of restaurant that would draw the community together. That will compete with great choices in our neighboring towns and to continue to make Chanhassen a destination of choice not, and place of convenience. Couple other points. I also question kind of a McDonalds or fast food intent for a long term approach here with signage. With hours of operation just because there might be some limitations today what we do with that. Doesn’t mean that those can’t change 20 years into a lease. As another non-fast food business wouldn’t have those same kind of potential outreach. And I recall from the Planning Commission meeting that there was a 5% increase in traffic would be the impact between a coffee shop and a fast food restaurant and I also heard tonight that a fast food roughly draws 50% of their cars or traffic from local and 50% of cars that wouldn’t have been there otherwise. To me that sounds like a huge variance between what a coffee shop or another local restaurant would have versus a fast food McDonalds with those kind of ratios. And lastly you know if as a council, with all due respect, if you are voting yes for this tonight I would just like to understand why the push for a double lane variance for a fast food restaurant. You know really, why the push? There are big decisions to make for the city and I think that we, we being the people that are here tonight who signed the petition and live in our association communities are obliged to understand your rationale for that as there are a lot of big decisions to come for the city so thanks for your time. 30 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Anyone else that would like to provide public comment? No? Alright, thank you. Appreciate all your comments and we do appreciate and I know we’ve also read the emails that we’ve received and Mr. Paulson said he sent over the petition. I appreciate that too and read through the comments that were included on that as well so, any follow up questions? If not, or are there any questions at this point? Clarifying questions. Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Can I go back to the exhaust and the screening again? Mayor Furlong: Sure. Councilwoman Tjornhom: I’ve been reading the conditions, is it necessary to put something in the conditions that they will you know maintain air quality? Kate Aanenson: You can add it as a condition. It’s in our standard nuisance section of the City Code that they would be bound by to follow so it’s adopted. I’ll ask the city attorney if he feels like it’s. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Well since we were able to work with the other fast food drive thru and they complied, maybe it’s not an issue but I was just wondering if that was something we needed to clarify. Roger Knutson: You certainly can add something but I think our nuisance ordinance takes care of it. Takes care of the issue. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay. Councilman Laufenburger: Mr. Mayor? Mayor Furlong: Yes, Mr. Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger: Mr. Aho made reference to some percentages. Mr. Hagen, would you mind coming back up there please just for a second and bring that 15, 20, 35, 80 chart with you. Mayor Furlong: And Mr. Laufenburger, while he’s coming up, could you clarify the question Mr. Aho raised? I think I remember it but for. Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah, I think Mr. Aho said that 50% of the traffic will come from the neighborhood and 50% of the traffic will come from something that is not there. I don’t want to mis- state. John Aho: …fast food in general nationwide, 50% comes from local. 50% comes from… Councilman Laufenburger: Could you restate that Mr. Hagen? Do you understand what I’m looking for? John Hagen: Yes, yes. Councilman Laufenburger: Great, because. John Hagen: Mr. Mayor, excuse me again. Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Yes, these statistics that I had mentioned earlier is the nationwide average for a fast food restaurant is approximately 50% of the traffic to and from a fast food restaurant is considered past by trips which means it’s traffic already on the roadway. The adjacent roadway system. 31 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. John Hagen: So the 50% didn’t specifically identify where they’re coming from. You know are they coming from local or from far away? It’s 50% already on the existing roadway system. The other 50% would be considered new trips. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. John Hagen: Now on this site, since it is a multi-use site, it has a number of different uses, there’s an additional what we call multi-purpose trips which means someone coming to the Kwik Trip might also then go to the liquor store or the fast food restaurant or any other tenant that might be in here. Councilman Laufenburger: But that would be included in the 50% of the people that are already there, is that correct? John Hagen: That’s in addition. Councilman Laufenburger: Oh, in addition to that, okay. John Hagen: So and, it should be pointed out, that 5% that we use was rather low. We wanted to be conservative because you know depending on the types of uses that actually go in there, that 5% can go up to you know 10 to 15 or more, you know depending on if it’s a good mix of uses, then people make it a multi-purpose trip. They’ll go to the convenience store. They’ll go to the bank to do their banking and they might stop at a sandwich shop if there’s going to be one in, you know somewhere else in the development. Or likewise go to the daycare and then you know get some gas you know so that’s, that 5% that we assumed is actually a conservative, and by conservative I mean it’s conservatively low. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay, this document that you’re showing us right now, I think your words were if the project was in place today, this is the roads from which visits to the site would generate. 20% of them would come off of 212 and 80% of them would come from the 4 main roads that lead to that corner of Lyman and 101. Is that stating that correctly? John Hagen: That’s correct. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay. While you’re up here I want to ask you a question that was spoken to by Mr. Hahn I believe. What impediments, if any exist at this site that would prevent it from becoming a truck stop? John Hagen: Well other than. Councilman Laufenburger: Let me phrase it differently. What aspects of this site would encourage it to be a truck stop? John Hagen: Well councilmember, it would be difficult for me to say exactly you know whether or not a truck would actually. Kathy Anderson: I might speak. I’m Kathy Anderson with Architectural Consortium. From a planning standpoint when you look at the site plan the nature of the way the buildings are oriented and the access through the site is really conducive for large maneuvering of trucks. In fact we’re down to very close radiuses, keeping this a compact, small neighborhood center for even getting the deliveries for the retail 32 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 users and so this really typically a truck stop type of site would be a large regional area with you know large parking lots that they could pull in and easily maneuver and have room without looking like, you know look very proportionately out of shape to see that type of thing here. Councilman Laufenburger: Do we know if any 18 wheel rigs pull into Kwik Trip? Kathy Anderson: I don’t. John Hahn: They do and what they do is they just don’t pull into Kwik Trip. They stop in the main thoroughfare blocking traffic and then walking to Kwik Trip and they do it throughout all hours of the day, but let me re-phrase my statement. Maybe not… Councilman Laufenburger: Just a second Mr. Hahn. Mayor Furlong: Wait, wait a second. Councilman Laufenburger: Just a second. It may be necessary for you to come to the microphone. Mayor Furlong: I want to give her an opportunity. Councilman Laufenburger: Okay, go ahead. Mayor Furlong: If there’s anything else you wanted to say. Kathy Anderson: No, I didn’t. Mayor Furlong: Alright. Kathy Anderson: But I do think you know just in general a neighborhood center, this particularly urban more setting as far as placements of the building, it would be, I would not see that kind of activity. Councilman Laufenburger: It seems to me the biggest deterrent to trucks coming into this area would be the difficulty with which they would have turning around and maneuvering I would think. Kathy Anderson: Right. Councilman Laufenburger: Now I don’t want to minimize the fact that Mr. Hahn or others may witness that some 18 wheelers are there for delivery or something like that but I don’t think that would be a predominant traffic. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Mayor Furlong: Alright. Thank you. Any other clarifying questions? Otherwise how about discussion and comments from members of the council. Councilman Laufenburger, thoughts. Councilman Laufenburger: Thank you Mr. Mayor. I want to quote Mr. Paulson. I think he’s the one. The neighbors don’t want McDonalds and while I appreciate that that may be a sentiment of the majority of the neighbors, to me it sounds an awful lot like the words that I heard about 15 months ago that we don’t want a Walmart. Now having said that let me back up a little bit. First of all it’s extremely valuable for us as city leaders to get citizen input and feedback and for those that spoke today or at the Planning Commission or if you wrote an email or if you called me or if I saw you on the street, I appreciate the boldness and the level of perhaps discomfort that you might have exhibited in order to make that statement. I thank you very much for doing that. And I heard from both people who are opposed to this 33 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 as well as those who were in favor of it so I want to thank all of those. I think your input absolutely helps me understand that you care about this city and that is true whether we’re talking about a restaurant with a drive thru, a large retail operation, a multi-family residential operation or whatever it might be. The fact that the citizens speak to what they care about is important because it’s important that we the city leaders hear about that. Now I have my views about the businesses that choose to open in Chanhassen and generally I vote my approval or disapproval with my feet and my credit card. But as an elected city official I can’t pick winners and losers. If I feel that a proposal is in concert with plans and strategies, then it gets my nod. I can’t be an impediment simple because I may not like the logo or the business or have some bad experience with that particular business. So though most of the communication that I’ve had regarding this is about quote McDonald’s, just as it was about Walmart 15 months ago, in my view it’s about the design, the proposal and not the sign on the door. So Mr. Mayor I can and I will support the proposal because I believe the development supports the community and I believe that it will not detract nor depreciate property values. Thank you. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Other comments? Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Yeah, taking off on what Councilman Laufenburger just said. You know we are given direction that the City’s discretion in approving or denying the site plan is limited to whether or not the proposed project complies with the zoning ordinance requirements. I’ve heard a lot of terminology thrown out today about stigma. About harmony in neighborhoods and about branding and I think the Planning Commission did an excellent job of trying to stay away from the branding and stick to basically the facts and the facts were that it was approved for a drive thru coffee shop so there was a drive thru that was going to be there to start with. The tenant changed and that happens. 5 years have gone by and a new tenant came in and I think that my role as a council member is to make sure that I don’t prohibit business but that I encourage it and whether or not I think that McDonalds is suitable for my family to go eat at every night or if I think that it will bring in the wrong type of people, that’s my personal opinion but this is my council opinion and I feel that the Planning Commission and staff and Kraus-Anderson put their heads together and came up with a pretty good development. You know I actually think that it’s going to be really hard to even know that McDonalds is there and so I want to commend you for all your work you have done. I know that our staff and our council and our Planning Commission, we have pretty high standards most of the time and I think that’s why we have the city that we live in and so I will continue to work that way and not necessarily go by who’s coming in but what’s coming in and so I too will be approving this. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Other comments? Councilwoman Ernst. Councilwoman Ernst: Well it seems to me, well first off I want to thank all the residents for coming in. I want to really kind of follow up on what Councilman Laufenburger said. It does take courage to come in and talk and it takes time and I really appreciate your efforts in hearing your opinions and all the emails that we received on this project. It seems to me after hearing all the comments and the emails that the biggest concern that I heard were the traffic concerns and based on what I’m hearing from the developer and our city engineer, those traffic concerns have been addressed. I do still have some concerns about the one intersection that I mentioned but it sounds like they’re going to monitor that and see how that goes and put solutions in place to make sure that those are addressed. The smell, that sounds like we already have that in our ordinance so that’s actually already there to be addressed. You know these are always hard ones because I hear what you’re saying and I really want to say that I’m hearing what your voice is. What your comments are but I really have to say that in terms of the issues that have been raised and what has been addressed, I can’t, I don’t know of anything that hasn’t been addressed and so with that I would support this development as well. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Mr. McDonald. Thoughts, comments. 34 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Councilman McDonald: Well I’ll keep my comments kind of short. Mr. Laufenburger I think really addressed the core issue as a council person but there’s one element that came up at the Planning Commission and it’s been brought up a couple times about how this is all changing. I was on the Planning Commission when this first came through. All of you are new faces to all of this but this issue was addressed in 2005. What happened back then was that we were brought, this was pretty much a done deal. The coffee shop was going in. The Haskell’s was going in. They had people lined up for all of these buildings and it was pretty much, this is what we want. The issue was brought up then about the drive thru because we didn’t do that many of them in this city and there was a lot of hesitation about doing that but again it was a coffee shop but we went into it with our eyes open in the fact that well if you allow a drive thru, that’s not to say it couldn’t change. However this seems to be a pretty good deal. Unfortunately the economy got in the way and suddenly there was no commercial buildings going on and this site has sat vacant for a number of years. The Haskell’s went someplace else and that was very controversial because that was going to be a liquor store with a food service on the outside and drinks and that was going to be open until 10:00-11:00 at night. We were going to do some things there to try to mitigate as much as possible but the site would allow that. There were some other things, concerns about the Kwik Trip. Again it was the thing about traffic and they were bringing stuff in and it was pointed out then that on 212 we already knew that there was nothing between Norwood-Young America and prairie and the city looked upon this as an advantage to the city because this would bring people in. A city does not survive folks if people pass through and go on down the road. You have to get people to come into your city. So this is part of development. We’re going to do some other things at some other intersections and again that’s one of the things we look at is, how do we keep a city vibrant. People have brought up the whole thing about we’re one of the 10 best cities. Yes we are. Everyone one of those cities folks has got a Walmart and a McDonalds and an in and out burger chain and they’ve got all this. That’s part of the mix that a city needs to be viable and to succeed or you become like north Minneapolis where a couple of you came from where there’s nothing. No one wants to be there and everyone wants to move out of there so what we’re trying to do again, we make these decisions based upon plans that have been put in place. This goes back a number of years. It was thought through in great length back at that point. There were public hearings back then. We went through everything to try to make sure that we met the plans that were in place for our Comprehensive Plan and what we wanted to do to develop the site. It met the criteria then. What got in the way was the economy crashed and as with everything else tenants go away. New tenants come in but this was in the plans back in the beginning. This really is nothing new, it’s just the problem is we’ve had almost 7 years between the original discussions and what’s happened now so I mean based upon that we’re really not looking at breaking any new ground here. This is something that we’ve tried to do for a long time and as Mr. Laufenburger said, when we make these decisions I really don’t make it because of who it is. The only exception of that would be yeah, a nightclub or something such as that but that’s not what this is. This is a legitimate business that fits the criteria of what we would want within this community. We can’t pick and choose businesses. I’m sorry. I can’t say who’s going to come and who’s going to go. It’s when someone wants to come in and put up the money. Take a chance on making the business successful, we have to allow it as long as it meets our code, our plans and our ordinances, and this does so I really feel that you know I voted for it back in 2005 after going through all this. Listening to the public comment at that point and I really see nothing’s changed today and I’d vote for it again today so I can support what’s being proposed. Mayor Furlong: Alright, thank you. I appreciate everyone’s comments. I think Councilwoman Ernst, if I’m not mistaken said these are not easy but they are, when it gets up to this level it really gets down to one or two key issues. One of the advantages of the public process that we have neighborhood meetings, the developer working with staff, going through the Planning Commission and everything is we can address a lot of the issues and narrow it down and the issue that keeps coming up here, and we heard it this evening with the public comments and very often was it’s a McDonalds. That seems to be the lightning rod here with many people. There are some that I talked to or shared emails with that sent to me 35 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 that started out and I asked them to clarify their reasons for objecting to this. A few of them came back and said you know, if it was another restaurant with a drive thru that’d be fine. Others said they didn’t want any and so you know different people have different opinions but what seems to be a lot of the discussion is, is who the business is as opposed to what the business is. And as you’ve heard this evening one of the challenges, and I think objectives and people ask about our visions. Visions that we have as a council is developing and promoting solid development. Economic development. Commercial property development. Residential property development. Finding a way, as much as possible to have all the interests balanced and that’s not always possible but I think over the years we’ve had some really good people in our planning department and our city staff. Planning Commission and others and overall I think we’ve made some pretty good decisions collectively as a community and that’s what’s important to try to keep looking ahead at what do we want our community to look like. What do we want our city to look like? When I look at some of these, and it’s hard to see with the overhead but when I look at the pictures of these buildings, the faces of these buildings, but for the name where it says McDonalds and a little yellow line, you can’t, I can’t tell. That’s not a typical fast food restaurant. That’s a nice looking building that will compliment the area. It will compliment and build off the Kwik Trip. In fact it has more architecture features I think than the Kwik Trip does and so it will be complimentary to the area. People talked about harmony and such like that, I think this building fits very well. I think it’s a very good looking building and I would credit the architect and others involved with doing that. That’s part of what we looked at when this development was coming through with that PUD process. It’s my estimation that this level of design is greater than what’s just the basic design included in our ordinances so the benefit that the city and the neighbors and others receive from going through this process is better buildings. Better looking buildings and I think that’s when we talk about vision for the city and what we’ve succeeded at in the past and what we keep wanting to move forward. It’s not saying who’s going to be the tenant in each of these buildings. That’s for the marketplace to decide but let’s build a nice city. Let’s promote the highest quality commercial and residential development that we can have in our city. I’ve talked to developers before coming in and when we’re looking at and continuing to demand higher architectural quality, I say you know I want this proposal to be on your next marketing brochure. And in fact I’d really like it not to be on your marketing brochure because then people would expect that from you the second time but those are some of the factors that we look at. We don’t want to be, and I would argue I don’t want this council or state government or federal government, county commissioners to be picking and choosing businesses because someday they may not pick my business as being one and that’s key to this. What we need to be looking for are good, solid developments that meet or exceed expectations from a variety standpoint. Yes, we have to look at the details of traffic. We have to look at the details and balance concerns about interaction between different types of property uses. Residential property versus commercial. Neighborhood commercial versus more regional draw commercial and I think we’re achieving that here. Is it perfect in everybody’s mind? Perhaps not. I know the tenant here that is being proposed is causing angst. I give the Planning Commission members credit for pointing out that the developer is being up front. There’s no bait and switch being proposed here. If they thought that this would cause some problems and they came in with a different type of user or intended user, we’d still be looking at is it an appropriate use knowing that other businesses could go in there and that’s what I think we’ve been doing and so I give credit to everybody. Again I don’t think this is going to please people the way the council’s going tonight, everybody but I would hope you understand the reasons why and that is we don’t want to be picking the businesses. Mr. Laufenburger talked about Walmart before and many of you heard about that when that was going on. A lot of the people were against that proposal not because it was too big for the site. The traffic problems were there. They were trying to get around our ordinance through the PUD process in my opinion but you know it didn’t fit for a variety of reasons but they didn’t want it because it was Walmart and that’s not something, that’s not an area that we should be stepping into because that will cause and has I think in some areas caused problems for governments when they start picking and choosing so with that I certainly appreciate everyone’s involvement in this and I am, would like to move this forward. I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of this development occur within the timeframe that’s been created. I know that from comments I’ve heard, the Kwik Trip 36 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 that’s already there, the Primrose that’s already there has been a great asset to our part of the city in this area and I would expect the other tenants in this area and this development to do the same over the long term and so I will also support it for the reasons stated. With that, if there are no other comments, would somebody like to make a motion. Councilman Laufenburger. Councilman Laufenburger: Sure. Kate, could you put the motion up please. Councilman McDonald: You having problems? Mayor Furlong: Is the one in the packet still correct? Councilman Laufenburger: Is this packet? Councilwoman Tjornhom: It’s up there. Kate Aanenson: …one in the packet’s correct. What you’re missing on there is the adoption of, excuse me, would be approving of the summary ordinance. That was added. Councilman McDonald: It’s all here. Kate Aanenson: Is it? Then that’s the correct one then. Councilman Laufenburger: Mr. Mayor? Mayor Furlong: Yes. Councilman Laufenburger: I move that the Chanhassen City Council approve a PUD amendment to the existing standards, the site plan amendment for the construction of a one-story multi-tenant building and adoption of the Findings of Fact and Recommendation. Roger Knutson: And the summary ordinance. Kate Aanenson: And the summary ordinance. Councilman Laufenburger: And the summary ordinance. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Is there a second? Councilman McDonald: Second. Mayor Furlong: Motion’s been made and seconded. Any discussion on the motion? Further discussion? If not we’ll proceed with the vote. Councilman Laufenburger moved, Councilman McDonald seconded that the Chanhassen City approve the Planned Unit Development amendment in the attached ordinance for Council Chanhassen Gateway allowing fast food restaurants with a drive thru window (amendments are shown in bold and strike thru), and including the attached Findings of Fact, Recommendation and Summary Ordinance for Publication Purposes: CHANHASSEN GATEWAY 37 Chanhassen City Council — March 25, 2013 PUD DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS a. Intent The purpose of this zone is to create a MIXED USE PUD including a Neighborhood Commercial, Office and Residential. The use of the PUD zone is to allow for more flexible design standards while creating a higher quality and more sensitive development. Each structure proposed for development shall proceed through site plan review based on the development standards outlined below. The Neighborhood Business District regulations shall apply to Lots 1 -3, Block 1 and Outlot A, Crossroads of Chanhassen, except as modified by this ordinance. The R -16 District regulations shall apply to Outlot C, except as modified by this ordinance. Exhibit A, as revised herein to reflect the changes to the commercial portion, reflects the site layout and buildings as referenced herein. 4A • pi, d e) - // ! ■ nun, OH IIR'1 I++D `ice Y • / / /�. VIII +1111 IIIIII1D ; 4B 1111114011 _1 L 4C C S A H NO. 18 (LYMAN BOI_ LVAHU) b. Permitted Uses • The permitted uses in this zone should be limited to appropriate commercial and service uses consistent with meeting the daily needs of the neighborhood. The uses shall be limited to those as defined herein. If there is a question as to whether or not a use meets the definition, the Community Development Director shall make that 38 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 interpretation. The type of uses to be provided on these lots shall be low-intensity neighborhood-oriented retail and service establishments to meet daily needs of residents. Commercial and office uses shall be limited to the area located south of Highway 212. Residential uses shall be located north of Highway 212 and along the western portion of the southern half.  . Fast Small to medium-sized restaurant not-to-exceed 8,000 square feet per building food restaurants with a drive thru are limited along the north end of Building 4B. It must be part of and attached to the multi-use building. (no drive-thru windows except drive-thru windows are allowed for tenants whose primary use is the sale of coffee. The drive-thru lane shall be screened and the exterior wall of the drive-thru shall contain the same level of architectural detail as any other elevation visible by the public.  Banks with a drive-in service window  Office  Day care  Neighborhood scale commercial up to 8,000 square feet per tenant with the exception of building 4C. A tenant may occupy up to 10,000 square feet of said building and building 4G for a daycare to occupy 12,000 square feet. No individual service component of a retail building shall occupy more than 8,000 square feet of a building.  Convenience store with or without gas pumps and car wash.  Specialty retail (Book Store, Jewelry, Sporting Goods Sale/Rental, Retail Sales, Retail Shops, Apparel Sales, etc.)  Personal Services (an establishment or place of business primarily engaged in providing individual services generally related to personal needs, such as a Tailor Shop, Shoe Repair, Self-Service Laundry, Laundry Pick-up Station, Dry Cleaning, Dance Studios, etc).  Residential High Density (8-16 units per net acre). The total number of units for the entire site may not exceed 150 units. c. Building Area  Commercial/Office – Not to exceed 75,000 square feet for the entire development  Maximum Commercial/Office lot usage is a Floor Area Ratio of 0.3  Maximum office/commercial building area per tenant may not exceed 8,000 square feet  Maximum residential units may not exceed 150 units. d. Prohibited Ancillary Uses  fast food restaurants Drive-thru Windows except banks, coffee shops, or pharmacies. 39 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013  Outdoor storage and display of merchandise such as propane, salt, window washer fluid, etc. except on the sidewalk surrounding the convenience store 4A. The outdoor display of merchandise shall not impede nor interfere with pedestrian traffic. e. Setbacks The PUD ordinance requires setbacks from roadways and exterior property lines. The following table displays those setbacks. Building/Parking Boundary Setbacks (feet) Lyman Boulevard 20/20 Highway 101 North of Highway 312 212 50/50 Highway 101 South of Highway 312 212 20/20 Highway 312 212 50/50 Northerly Project Property Line 50/20 Westerly Project Property Line 50/20 Internal Project property lines 0/0 Internal Right-of-Way (Crossroads Boulevard) 20/20 Hard Surface Coverage-Residential 50 % Commercial and Office Hard Surface Coverage 70 % Maximum Commercial (Retail) Building/Structure Height 1 story Maximum Office Building/Structure Height 2 stories 35 or 3 stories, Maximum Residential Building/Structure Height whichever is less f. Non-Residential Building Materials and Design There shall not be underdeveloped backsides of buildings. All elevations shall receive nearly equal treatment and visual qualities. Buildings and site design shall comply with design standards outlined in Article XXIII. General Supplemental Regulations, Division 7 of the Zoning Ordinance. g. Residential Standards Buildings and site design shall comply with design standards outlined in Article XXIII. General Supplemental Regulations, Division 9 of the Zoning Ordinance. 1.All units shall have access onto an interior private street. 2.A design palette shall be approved for the entire project. The palette shall include colors for siding, shakes, shutters, shingles, brick, stone, etc. 3.All foundation walls shall be screened by landscaping or retaining walls. 40 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 h. Site Landscaping and Screening The intent of this section is to improve the appearance of vehicular use areas and property abutting public rights-of-way; to require buffering between different land uses; and to protect, preserve and promote the aesthetic appeal, character and value of the surrounding neighborhoods; to promote public health and safety through the reduction of noise pollution, air pollution, visual pollution and glare. 1.The landscaping standards shall provide for screening for visual impacts associated with a given use, including but not limited to, truck loading areas, trash storage, parking lots, Large unadorned building massing, etc. 2.Each lot for development shall submit a separate landscaping plan as a part of the site plan review process. 3.All open spaces and non-parking lot surfaces, except for plaza areas, shall be landscaped, rockscaped, or covered with plantings and/or lawn material. Tree wells shall be included in pedestrian areas and plazas. 4.Undulating berms, north of Lyman Boulevard, north and south of Highway 312 and west of Highway 101 shall be sodded or seeded at the conclusion of grading and utility construction. The required buffer landscaping may be installed where it is deemed necessary to screen any proposed development. All required boulevard landscaping shall be sodded. 5.Loading areas shall be screened from public right-of-ways. Wing walls may be required where deemed appropriate. 6.Native species shall be incorporated into site landscaping, whenever possible. i. Street Furnishings Benches, kiosks, trash receptacles, planters and other street furnishings should be of design and materials consistent with the character of the area. Wherever possible, street furnishings should be consolidated to avoid visual clutter and facilitate pedestrian movement. j. Signage The intent of this section is to establish an effective means of communication in the development, maintain and enhance the aesthetic environment and the business’s ability to attract sources of economic development and growth, to improve pedestrian and traffic safety, to minimize the possible adverse effect of signs on nearby public and private property, and to enable the fair and consistent enforcement of these sign regulations. It is the intent of this section, to promote the health, safety, general welfare, aesthetics, and 41 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 image of the community by regulating signs that are intended to communicate to the public, and to use signs which meet the city's goals: a.Establish standards which permit businesses a reasonable and equitable opportunity to advertise their name and service; b.Preserve and promote civic beauty, and prohibit signs which detract from this objective because of size, shape, height, location, condition, cluttering or illumination; c.Ensure that signs do not create safety hazards; d.Ensure that signs are designed, constructed, installed and maintained in a manner that does not adversely impact public safety or unduly distract motorists; e.Preserve and protect property values; f.Ensure signs that are in proportion to the scale of, and are architecturally compatible with, the principal structures; g.Limit temporary commercial signs and advertising displays which provide an opportunity for grand opening and occasional sales events while restricting signs which create continuous visual clutter and hazards at public right-of-way intersections. j.1. Project Identification Sign One project identification sign for the commercial portion of the development located at the entrance off of Highway 101. Project identification signs shall not exceed 80square feet in sign display area nor be greater than eight feet in height. The sign shall be setback a minimum of 10 feet from the property line. As an alternative, the project identification sign may be located at the southeast corner of Lot 2, Block 1. If the sign is located in the right-of-way, an encroachment agreement must be obtained. Otherwise, the sign must maintain a 10 foot setback from property lines and may not exceed 24 square feet nor be higher than 5 feet. j.2. Monument Sign One monument sign shall be permitted at the entrance to the development off of Lake Susan Drive. One monument sign per lot shall be permitted for the commercial portion of the site. One multi-tenant sign shall be permitted at the entrance into the development off of Highway 101 and two signs off of Lyman Boulevard. These signs shall not exceed 24 square feet in sign display area nor be greater than 5 feet in height except Kwik Trip, located on Lot 1, Block 1, shall be permitted a 48 square-foot, 8-foot high monument sign. These signs must comply with all ordinances pertaining to size and percent of sign 42 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 area dedicated to gas prices as well as any other applicable regulations.These signs shall be set back a minimum of 10 feet from the property line. j.3. Wall Signs a.The location of letters and logos shall be restricted to the approved building sign bands, the tops of which shall not extend above parapet height. The letters and logos shall be restricted to a maximum of 30 inches in height. All individual letters and logos comprising each sign shall be constructed of wood, metal, or translucent facing. b.Second story illuminated signs that can be viewed from neighborhoods outside the PUD site, are prohibited. c.Tenant signage shall consist of store identification only. Copy is restricted to the tenant’s proper name and major product or service offered. Corporate logos, emblems and similar identifying devices are permitted provided they are confined within the signage band and do not occupy more than 15% of the sign area unless the logo is the sign. d.Wall signs are limited to two elevations per building. j.4. Festive Flags/Banners a.Flags and banners shall be permitted on approved standards attached to the building facade and on standards attached to pedestrian area lighting. b.Flags and banners shall be constructed of fabric or vinyl. c.Banners shall not contain advertising for individual users, businesses, services, or products. d.Flags and banners shall project from buildings a maximum of two feet. e.Flags and banners shall have a maximum area of 10 square feet. f.Flags and banners which are torn or excessively worn shall be removed at the request of the city. j.5. Building Directory a.In multi-tenant buildings, one building directory sign may be permitted. The directory sign shall not exceed eight square feet. j.6 Directional Signs 43 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 a.On-premises signs shall not be larger than four (4) square feet. The maximum height of the sign shall not exceed five (5) feet from the ground. The placement of directional signs on the property shall be so located such that the sign does not adversely affect adjacent properties (including site lines or confusion of adjoining ingress or egress) or the general appearance of the site from public rights-of-way. No more than four (4) signs shall be allowed per lot. The city council may allow additional signs in situations where access is confusing or traffic safety could be jeopardized. b.Off-premises signs shall be allowed only in situations where access is confusing and traffic safety could be jeopardized or traffic could be inappropriately routed through residential streets. The size of the sign shall be no larger than what is needed to effectively view the sign from the roadway and shall be approved by the city council. c.Bench signs are prohibited except at transit stops as authorized by the local transit authority. d.Signs and Graphics. Wherever possible, traffic control, directional and other public signs should be consolidated and grouped with other street fixtures and furnishings to reduce visual clutter and to facilitate vehicular and pedestrian movement. A system of directional signs should also be established to direct traffic within the commercial area and away from residential areas. j.7.Prohibited Signs  Pylon signs are prohibited.  Back lit awnings are prohibited.  Window Signs are prohibited except for company logo/symbol and not the name. Such logo shall not exceed 10% of a window area.  Menu Signs are prohibited. j.8. Sign Design and Permit Requirements a.The sign treatment is an element of the architecture and thus should reflect the quality of the development. The signs should be consistent in color, size, and material and height throughout the development. A common theme will be introduced at the development's entrance monument and will be used throughout. b.All signs require a separate sign permit. c.Wall business signs shall comply with the city’s sign ordinance for the Neighborhood business district for determination of maximum sign area. Wall signs may be permitted on the “street” front and primary parking lot front of each building. k. Lighting 44 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 1. Lighting for the interior of the development shall be consistent throughout the development. High pressure sodium vapor lamps or LEDwith decorative natural colored pole shall be used throughout the development parking lot area for lighting. Decorative, pedestrian scale lighting shall be used in plaza and sidewalk areas and may be used in parking lot areas.Parking lot light poles may not exceed 25 feet in height. 2. Light fixtures in areas other than parking lots should be kept to a pedestrian scale (12 to 18 feet). Street light fixtures should accommodate vertical banners for use in identifying the commercial area. 3. All light fixtures shall be shielded. Light level for site lighting shall be no more than ½ foot candle at the project perimeter property line. This does not apply to street lighting. 4. Lighting for parking areas shall minimize the use of lights on pole standards in the parking area. Rather, emphasis should be placed on building lights and poles located in close proximity to buildings. l. Non-Residential Parking 1.Parking shall be provided based on the shared use of parking areas whenever possible. Cross access easements and the joint use of parking facilities shall be protected by a recorded instrument acceptable to the city. 2.The development shall be treated as an integrated shopping center and provide a minimum of one space per 200 square feet of commercial/retail area. The office/personal service component shall be treated as an integrated office building and provide 4.5 space per 1,000 square feet for the first 49,999 square feet, four per thousand square feet for the second 50,000 square feet, and 3.5 per thousand square feet thereafter. m. Residential Parking shall comply with city code requirements.” All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. Councilman Laufenburger moved, Councilman McDonald seconded that the City Council approve the site plan consisting of a 13,871 square-foot multi-tenant building with a drive- thru to allow a fast food restaurant (Building 4B), Planning Case 2013-06 as shown in plans dated received January 23, 2013, and including the attached Findings of Fact, Recommendation and Summary Ordinance for Publication Purposes, subject to the following conditions: Environmental Resource Conditions: 1.All existing boulevard trees along the west property line must be protected during construction or replaced after construction if damaged or dead. 45 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 2.The selections of Norway maple and Colorado spruce must be removed from the plant schedule. Hackberry may be selected to replace the Norway maple, other selections as suggested by the applicant and approved by city staff. 3.Staff recommends that recycling containers be place alongside trash containers in public spaces. 4.Staff recommends that evergreens be located near the drive-thru area to block headlight glare into the neighboring use and Highway 101 traffic. 5.The required number of overstory trees in the south and east bufferyards is 8. The applicant shall convert understory selections to overstory species in all locations where they are not in conflict with signage. Fire Marshal Conditions: MSFC sec. 508.5.4. 1.A three-foot clear space shall be maintained around fire hydrants. SFC Sec. 2.Watermains shall be made serviceable prior to combustible construction. 503.1.1 . 3.Fences, posts, landscaping, storage and other materials shall not be placed near fire hydrants, Fire Department sprinkler connections that would prevent such equipment from MSFC. Sec 508.5.4. being immediately discernible. No Parking Fire Lane 4.“” signage and yellow painted curbing will be required. Have developer contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for exact locations and sign requirements. MSFC Sec. 503.3. An addition fire hydrant fire will be required. Contact Fire Marshal for location 5. . Engineering Conditions: 1.Upon completion, the applicant shall submit a set of “as-built” plans signed by a professional engineer. 2.All of the maintenance for landscaping, and irrigation within the right-of-way must be maintained by the developer. 3.The applicant shall work with staff on minor plan modifications. 4.The phase line must be shown on all plans. 5.The applicant must work with the City to provide assurances that the edge of pavement and drainage patterns can be adequately maintained given the proposed phase line. 6.A stop sign must be installed at the end of the drive-thru. 46 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 7.Site detail "21" in front of the retail building must be included in the site notes. 8.The traffic study must be updated to include an analysis of traffic volumes to the year 2023. 9.The developer shall comply with any additional conditions of approval resulting from the 2023 traffic volumes. 10.The applicant must obtain a MnDOT drainage permit. 11.Spot elevations must be shown on the grading plan to confirm that the site meets the following minimum grade requirements: 0.5% along curb lines, 1% on pavement, and 2% on turf. 12.Emergency overflow locations and elevations must be shown on the plans. 13.The finished floor elevation of each building must be minimum one foot above the emergency overflow. 14.The proposed sanitary sewer, watermain and storm sewer shall be privately owned and maintained. 15.All utilities must be installed and tested in accordance with City standards. 16.The rim and invert elevations of manholes must be shown on the utility plan. 17.Provide a detail of each utility crossing to ensure that there are no conflicts. 18.The storm sewer design must be modified to provide sufficient inlet capacity for drainage area 20. 19.Add the storm sewer schedule to the utility plan. 20.The power to the Crossroads Boulevard irrigation system must be removed from the City supply and connected to the development's system. 21.Identify the utility line between the entry monument at Lyman Boulevard and the southern retail building. This utility shall be relocated within the right of way and/or drainage and utility easements. 22.The plan set must include a detail sheet. 23.City of Chanhassen Detail Plate 5215, Pedestrian Ramps, must be included on the detail sheet. Planning Conditions: 1.Encroachment agreements are needed for any structure located in the drainage and utility easements. 47 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 2.All rooftop and ground equipment must be screened from views. 3.Approval of the site plan applications is contingent upon approval of the PUD amendment – Planning Case 2013-06. 4.Sign illumination and design shall comply with ordinance. The exterior material for the trash enclosure must be of the same exterior material as the 5. building. Recycling space and other solid waste collection space should be contained within the same enclosure. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. Mayor Furlong: Let’s take a quick, let’s take a real quick recess. Let’s just keep it to a couple minutes. Thank you. The City Council took a short recess at this point in the meeting. APPOINTMENTS TO COMMISSIONS. Mayor Furlong: The next item recommending and considering some appointments to some of our commissions. Over the last month and a half the City Council has been interviewing a number of residents with regard to their interest in serving on one of our several commissions. The City Council has established and makes appointments to our Planning Commission, Park and Recreation Commission, Senior Commission and Environmental Commission each year. Those terms tend to be staggered. They’re 7 member boards and we have really appreciated, I know I’m speaking for the whole council the level of interest. The quality of the applicants that we have each and every year but especially this year as well. It is really a treat to spend time, even though it’s a little time. It seems too little sometimes with our residents that are interested in serving a variety of reasons for serving so we thank all the people that are involved and that have been interested and made application. This evening we’re prepared to make appointments, or I will recommend appointments to the council for two of our commissions. The Planning Commission and the Environmental Commission, and we have different and varying terms so I’m going to try to be specific here and if I do make any mistakes I’m sure somebody will be able to jump in and correct me but with regard to the Planning Commission, our recommendation or I’ll make the motion to appoint the following individuals to a 3 year term expiring in March of 2016. That would be Andrew Aller, Kim Tennyson and Steve Weich. We would also make appointments to the Planning Commission for a 2 year term expiring in March of 2015 of Constance Alstad and make appointment to a 1 year term expiring in March of 2014 for Maryam Yusuf. With regard to the Environmental Commission we would make a motion to appoint, or I would make a motion to appoint to 3 year terms expiring in March of 2016, Glen Kaufman and Amy Oman and to a one year, or excuse me. A 2 year term expiring in March of 2015, again to the Environmental Commission Brett Borth. We will be taking up and considering appointments to our Park and Recreation Commission and our Senior Commission I expect at our next council meeting. In fact we’re going to continue our discussions in work session after this but so I would make a motion for those appointments and at this time ask for a second. Councilman McDonald: I’ll second. 48 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: Thank you Mr. McDonald and now I’ll certainly open up the floor for comments and discussion by other members of the council with regard to these appointments. If there are any. Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: I just want to say that we had a discussion today about our town and the quality of the developments we have and I would say that those also apply to the people that applied to the commissions. I think any one of them would have done an excellent job and I am always, I remember how afraid I was when I first applied for the Planning Commission so I always appreciate people stepping up to actually take that chance and serve on these commissions so I want to thank everybody. It was great to get to know them and if they weren’t appointed I hope they will certainly try back again another time because it was really a hard decision. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other comments on these appointments? Or the motion. Councilman McDonald: If I could Mr. Mayor. Yeah I would like to also just kind of echo, I really appreciate every person that came in and actually applied for any of these commission seats. Really had a lot of good quality people and it was a very difficult decision to make and I think that just because you weren’t selected, please don’t think anything less of your abilities or anything. It’s just we had a tough decision to make and one of the things that I think we do try to do is, we do try to infuse these commissions from time to time with new thoughts. New approaches. Someone that may come at it from a little bit different angle that would bring something to either our attention or someone else’s that we hadn’t thought of so I think that goes into a lot of the reasoning, at least on my part on some of these selections but I really want to thank everybody that applied and I would encourage you as vacancies come in the future, please you know come back. Anyone who applied I think can definitely contribute to the community so I just want to thank everybody again. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other comments? If not, let’s proceed with the vote. Mayor Furlong moved, Councilman McDonald seconded to make the following commission appointments: Planning Commission: Andrew Aller, Kim Tennyson and Steve Weich to a 3 year term ending March, 2016; Constance Alstad to a 2 year term ending March 2015; and Maryam Yusuf to a 1 year term ending March, 2014. Environmental Commission: Glen Kaufman and Amy Oman to a 3 year term ending March, 2016; and Bret Borth to a 2 year term ending March, 2015. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. Mayor Furlong: And as I said, I expect that the council will be considering appointments to the Park and Recreation Commission and Senior Commission at our first meeting in April. Let’s move on now to the next item. COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS: APPROVE RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE CITIES OF CHANHASSEN AND CHASKA CO-HOSTING A FUTURE MINNESOTA BASEBALL ASSOCIATION STATE TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONSHIP. Councilman Laufenburger: Thank you Mr. Mayor. I think the council knows that I serve on the board of the Chanhassen Red Birds. The amateur baseball town ball team here in Chanhassen and since 2010 the 49 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Chanhassen Red Birds have been working to build their presence in this community. In doing so we’ve attracted sponsorships, attendance volunteers and general anticipation for game day, which by the way th first game day this year is May 19, Sunday against our fierce rival the Chaska Cubs. At Storm Red Bird stadium so we are asking Lieutenant Enevold, could you just make sure you have public safety people on hand. Anyway. Mayor Furlong: Traffic concerns. Should we do a traffic study? Councilman Laufenburger: It might be necessary. About 6 months ago the Red Birds board began discussions with our neighbor and our fierce rival the Chaska Cubs and their board of directors. We agreed that we would work towards submitting a partnership proposal to co-host a future Minnesota Amateur Baseball tournament. Chaska has hosted this event four times previously. 1955, 1988, 1998 and 2008. They seem to be on a 10 year cycle. Anyway, Chaska/Chanhassen has agreed to do this together and we will be in competition with 3 other city pairs for 1 of 3 future state tournaments so 4 city pairs are competing for 2016, 17 and 18. This is nothing like the selection of an Olympic host city, but I caution that you don’t suggest that that comparison pales to any of the members of the MBA board because the Minnesota Baseball Association board is absolutely passionate about baseball, and it’s not baseball is everything to them. To quote a coach of a neighboring state, professional football team, baseball is the th only thing to that board. Now the presentation will be done on April 13 at the State MBA board meeting in St. Cloud, and I believe the Chaska City Council is proposing a similar resolution, is that correct Mr. Gerhardt? Todd Gerhardt: That is correct. Councilman Laufenburger: So the combination of these two cites, Chaska/Chanhassen we believe will bring the best of tradition from Chaska, combined with the demonstration of a new energy and a community commitment from the City of Chanhassen so we’re excited about making our proposal and I’d be happy to answer any questions at this time. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Questions for Mr. Laufenburger. I have one. Approximately with these tournaments, give us an idea, how many teams come? How many fans come? Over what period of time does the tournament occur? Councilman Laufenburger: Sure, yep. Good question. Actually last year’s tournament was held at St. Cloud and it was conducted on two fields and the tournament starts with 48 Class C teams, and I believe it’s 32 Class B teams so just for distinction here, the Chaska Cubs are purported to be a little bit better. Is anybody from Chaska watching? Mayor Furlong: We’re still working together I think. We’re trying to. Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah, so Chaska is purported to be a little bit better so they are a Class B team and then Chanhassen is a Class C team so the tournament starts with roughly 64 teams of Class C, Class B and Class A and it brings in 64 teams. You know 20 plus people on every team plus all of their fans, coaches, everybody. Mayor Furlong: Over what period of time? Councilman Laufenburger: And it happens over a period of 3 weekends. The culminating weekend when the finals take place is always Labor Day weekend with the final game occurring on Monday, Labor Day so 2 weeks prior is when the place gets bombarded with teams and then one week later, after the first round people lose and there’s a few less but then there are more games that are played on that Labor Day 50 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 weekend so we’re talking about hotel space will be needed in and around the community. Restaurants for sure. Of course we’ll need participation from the community for things like tickets and managing the parking and maintaining the field and everything like that so it’s really a full blown community involvement. It raises a lot of support for the event in the community. Certainly puts us on the map in terms of the Minnesota Baseball Association and it also raises money for the Red Birds and for the Chaska Cubs so that we can continue development of our team and also development of Storm Red Birds so. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other questions? There is a resolution in our packet. I assume Mr. Laufenburger you’d like to move adoption of the resolution. Councilman Laufenburger: May I do so? Would you like me to read it or is it? Mayor Furlong: If you want to read it or you can just move it’s adoption. It’s your choice. Councilman Laufenburger: I’ll just move the adoption of the resolution. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Councilman McDonald: I’ll second that. Mayor Furlong: Okay. Any further discussion on this resolution? I think it’s a positive step forward to support this so happy that it’s been brought forward to us and certainly happy to support it for all the reasons discussed. Todd Gerhardt: It’s just a miracle that we could get those two teams to collaborate together. It took a lot on behalf of Matt Podhradsky and myself to get that resolution drafted. Councilman Laufenburger: Yeah and you know. Mayor Furlong: Is their’s going to be similar to our’s? Todd Gerhardt: Very similar. Mayor Furlong: Very similar. Councilman Laufenburger: I don’t know that it will measure up but, and to Mr. Gerhardt’s point, this really is significant that we were able to cooperate on this because we lead them in the series 2 wins to 1 so. Todd Gerhardt: And somewhere in there we might find some innovation too. Mayor Furlong: Alright, I think it’s time to move forward with a vote. Any other discussion? Hearing none let’s proceed with the vote. Resolution #2013-22: Councilman Laufenburger moved, Councilman McDonald seconded that the Chanhassen City Council adopt the Resolution in support of the Cities of Chanhassen and Chaska co-hosting a future Minnesota Baseball Association State Tournament Championship. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. 51 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Let’s continue with council presentations. Any other council presentations? Mr. McDonald. Councilman McDonald: Well you kind of stole some of my thunder but I did want to speak to the pancake breakfast yesterday and part of what I want to do is, I definitely want to thank the Lions Club because I mean they’re the ones that supply a lot of the labor and everything to put the pancakes together. To run this thing and then to help support the fire department I think is just wonderful and again it’s a perfect example of what a community organization can do for a community to make it a better place so I really want to say, you know tip of the hat to the club for doing that. And not to miss our firemen because they were out there bussing tables and making sure everybody had coffee and free fire hats for the little kids and I saw all the trucks out there that were available for tours, even though it was a little cold but there were still people out there so it’s really a great day for not only the City and the community and the pancakes were great so again I just can’t say thank you enough to the Lions for doing that and for the fire department for again supplying everything and making it a great day. Todd Gerhardt: Yeah Mayor and council, the feedback I get from the fire fighters is that this is one of the top events for the year that they really enjoy volunteering for and it’s a lot of fun for them also so you know you may be seeing them working but they get a lot of enjoyment watching the kids and the fun they have making the pancakes. Mayor Furlong: Thank you, and I would encourage people too if they’re interested in learning more about the Chanhassen Lions or the fire department, take a look at their website and on there is information of the different officers for the Chanhassen Lions and feel free to contact any of them as far as getting more involved or learning more about what they do because they do do a good job throughout the community. Thank you. Other comments, presentations? Council presentations this evening. ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS. Todd Gerhardt: Just one reminder, we have our joint work session with the Planning Commission next Tuesday. We start at 5:30. We’re going to have a, kind of a light dinner between 5:30 and 6:00. Kind of a social hour to get to know some of the panel professionals that we’re bringing in and also Kathy Bennett from ULI of Minnesota will be presenting some trends and benchmarks that they’re seeing nationally and statewide. And then we’ve got a great panel discussion and I will send out reminders to all of you but it should be on your Outlook but, and then I might send you some questions too that you may want to ask the panel as we sit through and navigate the new norm here in Chanhassen. Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for Mr. Gerhardt? I should mention too this coming Wednesday is the Southwest Metro Chamber of Commerce General Membership Meeting and that, I forget where that will be. Is that at Oakridge? Todd Gerhardt: Oakridge. Mayor Furlong: It’s at Oakridge at 11:30. Senator Ortman and Representative Hoppe and others may be there to bring a legislative update so anyone that’s interested in going to that, and this is a general offer to the general public, certainly contact the Southwest Metro Chamber of Commerce. We’ll probably have some people there as well. I know we’re doing some other meetings with the Chamber this week as well so thank you. Any questions for Mr. Gerhardt or his staff? CORRESPONDENCE DISCUSSION. None. 52 Chanhassen City Council – March 25, 2013 Mayor Furlong: We will continue our unfinished items under our work session immediately following this meeting, back in the Fountain Conference Room so with that if there’s nothing else to come before the council this evening, is there a motion to adjourn? Councilman McDonald moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. The City Council meeting was adjourned at 9:35 p.m. Submitted by Todd Gerhardt City Manager Prepared by Nann Opheim 53