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5a. Non conforming permits for recreational beachlots - Frontier Trail CITY OF 1 � CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 1 (612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739 ' Action by City Atbiltitilligt MEMORANDUM ' Rejected� Dates Date Submitted to Commis! ' TO: Planning Commission Date Sunmitted to Coutic4 FROM: Kate Aanenson, Senior Planner --g - DATE: May 12, 1992 SUBJ: Frontier Trail Non - Conforming Recreational Beachlot ' BACKGROUND The Auditor's Subdivision was approved in 1939. The Frontier Trail recreational beachlot ' was developed in 1981. There are 35 homes in the homeowners association. The beachlot is 109,000 square feet in area and has 193.5 feet of lake frontage. The beachlot does not meet the minimum requirements of 200 feet of lake frontage. It does meet the 30,000 1 square feet of area. A survey of the beachlot was done in 1981, and it showed that there was no dock nor were 1 there any boats docked or moored. The association maintains that they had a dock in place in the summer of 1981; but because the survey was made in early June their dock was not out yet. The survey of the beachlot also noted that there was a motor vehicle access, off- street parking, and a boat launch. There was no swimming beach noted in the 1981 survey. SUMMARY ' The association is requesting 1981 status quo of their beachlot with one dock, g q k, 40 feet in ' length, no boats being moored, continued use of their motor vehicle access, parking for five to six cars, and a boat launch (20 feet wide). They are also seeking approval of the swimming beach. 1 1 1 ov PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER Frontier Trail Recreational Beachlot May 12, 1992 Page 2 PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE At the May 20, 1992, meeting, the Planning Commission recommended approval of the beachlot as requested by the association. The Planning Commission felt that the level of use for the ' beachlot had remained consistent with the level of use in 1981. In addition, the Planning Commission recommended that a milfoil sign be placed at the boat launch location. The Planning Commission did recommend that the swimming beaches have buoys as required by the ' ordinance. The association's boat launch has been located on the neighboring property since at least 1981 ' when staff inspected the beachlot. The association will be drawing up an agreement with the neighbor, Mr. Hiscox, for an easement to access the boat launch. The dock on this beachlot will be moved to be consistent with dock setback zone requirements. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 NON - CONFORMING RECREATIONAL BEACHLOT PERMIT ASSOCIATION P.C. CITY COUNCIL 1 REQUEST RECOMMEND ACTION 1 Association Frontier Trail Lake Lotus I Number of Homes 35 1 Size, square feet 45,000 Shoreline 200' I Motor Vehicle Access yes 1 Off - Street Parking 5 -6 5 -6 Boat Launch 1 1 I Buildings not requested 1 Seasonal Dock 40' 40' 1 Diagram Canoe Racks not requested Boats on Land not requested Boats at Dock not requested 1 Boats Moored not requested 1 Swimming Beach yes yes Marker Buoys not requested yes Swimming Raft not requested 1 Miscellaneous 1 * Items requested by the Association for determination. 1 1 CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE ' CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 NON - CONFORMING RECREATIONAL BEACHLOT APPLICATION ' HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION: r,3 G'% 7l F J- J.e_ /L_ ..; 3 61 C CONTACT PERSON: e F> i 1 '}2 k V 9 L _a) ' ADDRESS: a,© ( f V N i x e C© v �� ' TELEPHONE (Day time) ' R 5 - 4 6 3 TELEPHONE (Evening): 9 3 4-- 4-85 Please provide all requested data consistent with what existed in the summer of 1981. 1. _Number 1 of homes in the Homeowners Association a C , 4 C 1 iL L Wt rte, wt Va e JZ- ', S -ro c 8 4 r i A. L P4 etMa e V ' 2. Length of shoreland (feet) 4,Pc' 1, Z,06/ C s ooi.e j,J E) SAS 3. Total area of Beachlot (in square feet) • )> S + a6 0 (e T""; Lor 12 4. Number of docks / 40b s.1), 6. Length of dock(s) 4 7 . Number of boats docked 8. Number of canoe racks () 9. Number of boats stored on canoe racks 0 I • r 10. Number of boats moored, i.e. canoes, paddle boats, sailboats. C ' 11. Number of boats on land () ' 12. Swimming beach Yes No Buoys Yes No 13. Swimming Raft Yes No ' 14. Boat Launch Yes No 15. Motor vehicle access Yes ✓ No Number of parking spaces 5 - 16. Structures, including portable chemical toilets: 1 1 II II RECREATIONAL BEACHLOT INVENTORY 1981 1986 1991 Frontier Trail 1 35 homes Lotus Lake 1 2.5 acres 180' of shoreline 1 Motor Vehicle Access yes yes yes Off - Street Parking yes 3 yes 3 yes 3 1 cars cars cars Boat Launch 1 1 20' • 1 20' I 20'wide wide wide Permanent Buildings no no no Setbacks Temporary Buildings no no no I Portable Restroom no no no Picnic Tables no no no I Grills /Campfires no no no Seasonal Docks no no no II Approximate Length Canoe Racks no no no Boats on Land no no no Boats Moored no no no Boats Docked no no no II Swimming Beach no yes yes I Marker Bouys no no no Swimming Raft no no no Comments: undevel. long 1 very gravel narrow road I and volley poorly ball net maint. 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A , ., N i i / I �«N 1 I 1 1 410 / i �\ I 1 \ \ s.,,,3) „� , ,p ,,......u, ,v \ \ --t ly ---- \ \ 1 - -- - �' r _ I 1 � � r _ �\ \ . \-----\ 1 \6 � � y W 1 CITY OF CHANHASSEN / RECEIVED ' UN 5 1981 ��a.�t� �, - `_ f ' — 2 .r .- ,J - ; 1 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT KEPT. j,...t- ; . ). 1 NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING I PROPOSED NON - CONFORMING USE PERMIT CITY OF CHANHASSEN 1 NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Chanhassen Planning Commission will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, May 20, 1992, at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers in Chanhassen City Hall, 690 Coulter Drive. The purpose of this hearing is to consider a non- conforming use permit for Frontier Trail and Sunrise Recreational Beachlots. The permit shall describe the nature and extent of the use allowed. 1 All interested persons are invited to attend this public hearing and express their opinions with respect to this proposal. 1 Kathryn Aanenson, Planner II I Phone: 937 -1900 (Publish in the Chanhassen Villager on May 7, 1992) I 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 • 1 • 1 1 HELEN & A HARTMANN LARRY J FLEWELLING BRADLEY & L WILLIAMS I 6687 HORSESHOE CURVE 305 TRILANCE CIRCLE 7669 HERITAGE ROAD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 YOUNG AMERICA MN 55397 EDEN PRAIRIE MN 55344 'JAMES & L RING TERRY ROSEN DAVID KOPISCHKE 6640 GALPIN BLVD 6677 HORSESHOE CURVE 6675 HORSESHOE CURVE 'EXCELSIOR MN 55331 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 ,JOHN CUNNINGHAM TIMOTHY L JOHNSON CURRENT RESIDENT 6665 HORSESHOE CURVE 6663 HORSESHOE CURVE 6661 HORSESHOE CURVE CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 AVID WALSH HAROLD & K DAHL PHILIP & L ISAACSON 681 HORSESHOE CURVE 6631 HORSESHOE CURVE 6633 HORSESHOE CURVE CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 STEVE DECATUR FRANK & D KUZMA LADD CONRAD 16645 HORSESHOE CURVE 6651 HORSESHOE CURVE 6625 HORSESHOE CURVE INcHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 JAMES & E KEIPER RAYMOND & A BROZOVICH m6 615 HORSESHOE CURVE 6609 PLEASANT VIEW RD HANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 HERBERT BLOOMBERG KOPFMANN HOMES MARK ENGASSER 7008 DAKOTA AVE SUITE 315 7000 DAKOTA AVE 1 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 6442 CITY W PKWY CHANHASSEN MN 55317 EDEN PRAIRIE MN 55344 DENNIS FLAHERTY DR S M POSNICK HENRY NEILS I 7004 DAKOTA AVE 7010 DAKOTA AVE 7012 DAKOTA AVE CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 B CAMPBELL MARGARET WASSON ROBERT R HEER 1 7014 DAKOTA AVE 7016 DAKOTA CIR 7018 DAKOTA CIR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 JEFFREY & M BORNS ROBERT CONKLIN FRANK KURVERS I 7490 CHANHASSEN RD 7160 WILLOW VIEW COVE 7220 KURVERS PT RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 MELVIN KURVERS FRANK & K CAMPAGNA GERALD & J STRAND 7240 KURVERS PT RD 7320 KURVERS PT RD 18909 KINGSWOOD TER I CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 MINNETONKA MN 55345 1 FREDERICK OESCHLAGER DAVID & C WETTERLIN IRVING RAYMOND 7410 CHANHASSEN RD 7420 CHANHASSEN RD 7440 CHANHASSEN RD , CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 TIMOTHY & D MCHUGH CURRENT RESIDENT HARVEY PARKER JR I 7450 CHANHASSEN RD 7470 CHANHASSEN RD 7480 CHANHASSEN RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 I PAUL WOODRUFF ALAN & L KRAMER TODD ADAMS I 520 PLEASANT VIEW RD 531 INDIAN HILL RD 469 PLEASANT VIEW RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 • DONN & J ANDRUS R DOZIER & R SMITH KEITH OBERMEYER I 449 PLEASANT VIEW RD 429 PLEASANT VIEW RD 6697 HORSESHOE CURVE CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 JANICE RANNELLS SANDY OLSON JOHN & B RYAN RT 2 BOX 111 6691 HORSESHOE CURVE 6685 HORSESHOE CURVE 1 PRINCETON MN 55371 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 I EDWARD JORDAN ARLIS BOVY RICHARD KEDROWSKI I 7341 FRONTIER TR 7339 FRONTIER TR 7337 FRONTIER TR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 STUART BAIRD DORIS LARSON ALAN FOX 7303 LAREDO DR 7301 LAREDO DR 7300 LAREDO DR 1 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 BOX 66 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 I SUNRISE HILLS ASSN DAVID BRODEN JOHN & J NICOLAY JIM MADY 640 PLEASANT VIEW RD 608 PLEASANT VIEW RD 7338 FRONTIER TR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 THOMAS SEIFERT JOHN SCHEVENIUS FAIZ & K KHAN 600 PLEASANT VIEW RD 570 PLEASANT VIEW RD 111 CHOCTAW CIR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 THOMAS & M WILLIAMS JAMES & S LACY THOMAS & J RANDALL 1 115 CHOCTAW CIR 121 CHOCTAW CIR 125 CHOCTAW CIR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 HARLAN & M SWANSON ROBERT & J PEROUTKA STEPHEN & L BUCHANAN is 131 CHOCTAW CIR 135 CHOCTAW CIR 141 CHOCTAW CIR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 STATE OF MINNESOTA I ALAN & C LENHART BT LAND DNR 6575 PLEASANT VIEW WAY 1055 E WAYZATA BLVD BOX 31 CENTENNIAL OFFICE I CHANHASSEN MN 55317 WAYZATA MN 55391 658 CEDAR STREET ST PAUL MN 55155 JOHN ALDEN 1105 SANDY HOOK RD JAMES CONNELLY PETER MOSCATELLI II CHANHASSEN MN 55317 7008 CHEYENNE TR 102 SANDY HOOK RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 CHARLES & D BOHLIG ROGER ANDERSEN ELWOOD MCCARY 15200 RIDGE ROAD 106 SANDY HOOK RD 108 SANDY HOOK RD EDINA MN 55435 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 ROBERT & SUE MIDNESS THOMAS PALMBY WM & M SPLIETHOFF 112 SANDY HOOK RD 114 SANDY HOOK RD 113 SANDY HOOK RD / CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 1 B FRITZ & L HAMILTON TERRY VOGT GERALD & J HEINTZ 724 LAKE POINT 732 LAKE POINT 740 LAKE POINT 1 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 ROBERT POST GREG & B HEDLUND CURTIS & C ANDERSON I 489 PLEASANT VIEW 748 LAKE POINT 500 PLEASANT VIEW CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 JOHN & K VONWALTER MICHAEL & K CLARK JOHN & J THIELEN 1 510 PLEASANT VIEW 695 PLEASANT VIEW RD 665 PLEASANT VIEW RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 NEAR MTN LAKE ASSOC JOSEPH SMITH HARVEY & K ROBIDEAU I 610 PLEASANT VIEW RD 224 WILSON ST W 540 PLEASANT VIEW RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 PO BOX 213 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 NORWOOD MN 55368 1 GREGORY LINDSLEY MARIA STOFFEL RICHARD & R POWERS JOHN SEGNER I 7510 CHANHASSEN RD 20 HILL STREET 30 HILL STREET CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 JOHN MELBY LOUISE FENGER ANDREW HISCOX 40 HILL STREET PO BOX 396 7500 ERIE AVE I CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 C PETER LINSMAYER LOUIS S TESLER CURRENT RESIDENT ' APT 105 C 7500 CHANHASSEN RD 200 FRONTIER CT 7500 CAHILL RD CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 I EDINA MN 55435 WM & I KIRKVOLD JEROME & D NEEDHAM ROGER KARJALAHTI 1 201 FRONTIER CT 7415 FRONTIER TR 7413 FRONTIER TR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 ' THOMAS HAROLD ROBERT SOMERS MIKE JONIKAS I 7411 FRONTIER TR 7409 FRONTIER TR 7407 FRONTIER TR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 LORNA TARNOWSKI GEORGE & D PRIEDITIS ROBERT & S HORSTMAN 7405 FRONTIER TR 7401 FRONTIER TR 7343 FRONTIER TR ' CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 1 THOMAS & C GILMAN JOHN & A DANIELSON RONALD & L HARVIEUX O 6613 HORSESHOE CURVE 6607 HORSESHOE CURVE 6605 HORSESHOE CURVE CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 ROBERT & L SATHRE ROLF ENGSTROM PATRICK PAVELKO 365 PLEASANT VIEW RD LAWRENCE LEEBENS 7203 FRONTIER TR I CHANHASSEN MN 55317 7201 FRONTIER TRAIL CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 ROBERT & G UECKER GUY SWANSON PHYLLIS POPE 7199 FRONTIER TR 610 CARVER BEACH RD 620 CARVER BEACH RD ' CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 JOHN HAGEDORN JON LANG ROSEAN AMICK • 630 CARVER BEACH RD 640 CARVER BEACH RD 581 FOX HILL DR 1 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 BLOOMBERG COMPANIES LEIGH E COLBY JAY WARRIOR BOX 100 1 7307 LAREDO DRIVE 7423 FRONTIER TR CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 t ROBERT & M WOLF THOMAS & A JONES DEAN & S STANTON 1 7636 SO SHORE DR 480 BIGHORN DR 13133 58TH AVE N CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 PLYMOUTH MN 55442 1 DONALD & C MEHL LARRY & J KOCH MARK PETERKA 490 BIGHORN DR 471 BIGHORN DR 9064 PRESERVE BLVD 1 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 EDEN PRAIRIE MN 55347 I LEONARD & N KISKIS DONALD JR & K MILLER THOMAS & P DEVINE 491 BIGHORN DR 13473 WINCHESTER PLACE PO BOX 714 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 EDEN PRAIRIE MN 55344 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 ROLAND & C POTTER THOMAS HUBERTY MICHAEL HAYDOCK 7644 SO SHORE DR 6450 FOX PATH 6460 FOX PATH CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 CHANHASSEN MN 55317 1 KEITH HOFFMAN CHARLES & J PETERSON WILLIAM & K PICKELL I 6470 FOX PATH APT 119 716 LAKE POINT CHANHASSEN MN 55317 8580 MAGNOLIA TRL CHANHASSEN MN 55317 EDEN PRAIRIE MN 55344 1 Planning Commission Meeting May 20, 1992 - Page 3 edification. That is not where the boat, when I went out there this summer, it's not where the dock is right now. 1 Batzli: Okay. If I can summarize it. I don't know if you have any other issues to cover but it sounds like what you're disputing is perhaps that I you would like grills and picnic tables? Ted deLancey: We have had that before and we would like that. And there has been some discussion in reference to canoe racks also. At one time we had canoes stored down there but again, not on a consistent year to year basis. Batzli: So are you in fact requesting canoe racks? The Association. Ted deLancey: If it's not a problem. We don't want to create a problem, okay? I guess in effect what I think you're telling us is had we had canoe I racks there, had we had boats there on a consistent basis, you would allow it. The fact that they have been sporadic, you may not. Is that correct? Batzli: I think so. What we're looking for is, we're trying to establish what your use was in 1981 from which time period forward you'd be grandfathered. If you haven't had consitent useage, then to that extent you probably would not be grandfathered in for that type of use and that's what we're trying to do tonight. Ted deLancey: Yeah, we have not had consistent useage of a canoe rack. Wel have not had consistent useage of boats moored on a consistent basis. We have had consistent use of dock. We have had consistent use of boat launch. And the parking. Batzli: Okay. Ted deLancey: Now Larry, do you have any comment? Larry Anderson: No. I think that's right as far as consistent. I think if you go back to 1939 and find that there were boats stored on the property. That there was a dock. That there was parking. All of those things... Resident: How many parking spots? Larry Anderson: They're really not designated parking spots so... .� Ted deLancey: We haven't drawn yellow lines. Batzli: Do you have anything else? Ted deLancey: No, I don't unless Andrew, he's also a member. Do you have any comments? Andrew Hiscox: The only comment I'd make is the map. It says...not be to scale but the general...but since I've been there I've owned the property 6. years now. There has always been a dock. There has always been a boat launch. There has always been clean picnic tables... 1 Planning Commission Meeting May 20, 1992 - Page 4 11 Batzli: And your name for the record was? ' Andrew Hiscox: Andrew Hiscox. Batzli: Thank you. Would anyone else like to address the commission at this time? Lenny Kiskis: My name is Lenny Kiskis and I live on 491 Big Horn which is on the west side of the lake. I guess I don't really have any real major problems with what they're doing here but I just would like to say a couple things. One of them is that I'm concerned about the milfoil on the lake obviously and obviously the more or less restrictions on the lake and access to the lake in the form of boat launches, create more problems on the lake. Also the additional stress it puts on the lake in the form of additional boating activity going on. So I don't know if that's part of the issue here that you're even contemplating at this point in time but I would want to go on record that I would be against the use of unattended and unrestricted boat launch. ' Batzli: Thank you. Anyone else like to address the commission? Is there a motion to close the public hearing? II Emmings moved, Ahrens seconded to close the public hearing. All voted in favor and the motion carried. The public hearing was closed. Conrad: I think this is a good recreational beachiot and I don't have, they're real close to being a conforming beachiot and when you look at the situation, it is a real classic case of how a beachiot should be used. So ' I don't have a, and I'm not sure how this affects other beachlots coming in but I really don't have a problem letting them having the picnic tables, the grills. That just doesn't bother me in this situation at all. They haven't necessarily had them before but, or when we've inventoried but I ' don't have a, it's a good beachiot. In terms of the overland launching. That's a real interesting point and I guess Ted, how do you, milfoil is a big deal. And as a boat launch on the lake, they're talking to everybody ' that comes in about milfoil and we probably do have it in Lotus right now but the question is, how do you police your members? How do you keep others from going in there because that is boy, you talk about expense later on if milfoil really spreads. That is a big deal. Ted deLancey: First of all, it is not an unrestricted. It is restricted to just the members who belong obviously to that boat. How would we police the entry of somebody who does not belong there? This has never been a problem but there are 3 of us who live right where the road goes down. We can visually see that... There's a gate. There's a gate. Larry Anderson: A chain and lock. ' Lenny Kiskis: My point I'm making is, the people that live on the lake typically don't trailer their boats. They're go to other lakes where there is milfoil and bring them back... In an environment like you have, my sense is you have people that use the lake and trailer their boats. Use other lakes and do bring those boats back into this lake. There is milfoil in the lake. We've identified it. It can be a major problem. Hopefully Planning Commission Meeting g sl ee g May 20, 1992 - Page 5 it won't be. We'll be able to irradicate it but I don't know if that's possible at this point in time. I guess the concern I have is that the II more access points... the more possibility that people can bring boats int the lake, the more problem they're going to have with more possibility that you're going to have additional problems... And the very least I think we can educate and provide...information concerning milfoil. All your members. Make sure that they can identify it and ultimately the best thing to do would have the ability to have one access on this lake and police it. That's obivously not going to happen... 1 Resident: Why can't it happen? Batzli: Excuse me sir. 1 Lenny Kiskis: ...legislative move to make it happen and I certainly would support that. I don't see that happening in the very near future. Batzli: Paul? As far as can we even put conditions on the things we're looking at? There are non - conforming beachlots regarding conditions to post a sign, check your boat for milfoil. Can we even do these things or II are we, is it just something that we can't do at this point and we can just talk about it? Krauss: We have raised that with the City Attorney and he believes that you're pretty well constrained looking at the issue here of a non - conformity and not, you don't have a lot of flexibility to add on additional conditions that are not related to that specific non - conformity request. You could certainly ask that it be done. Conrad: More than likely the group wouldn't mind posting a sign. I think II they're sensitive to the issue. Ted deLancey: Yeah. We will do whatever is the standard practice when we're educated to what the problem is and what we should be doing. It's something we didn't take up in 1981 because we weren't aware of it. And I don't think even the cities...a policy but whatever that policy would be, II we would... The other thing I'd like to point out is, by numbers you have a very small amount of boats going in and out of that. Resident: Then why is it important? Why don't they just use the public II landing? I'm not being sarcastic. Ted deLancey: It's the parking. 1 Resident: That's one of the bigger issues. I'd like to make a point here. Batzli: Excuse me. The public hearing has been closed. If you'd like to 1 make a point, please raise your hand and I'll try to get to you. Ladd has the floor right now. ' Conrad: Oh sure. Batzli: You do. - 1 Planning Commission Meeting 9 May 20, 1992 - Page 6 Conrad: I don't know that I want it any more. I have no more questions on this issue Brian. I think Paul answered conditions on the launch. I think that is an important issue. The folks do have the right and are grandfathered in on the launch. I think a sign has to be there and it's not a matter of a condition. I would just hope if the association would want a sign there reminding the residents that, or the members that milfoil is a problem. I don't know beyond that what to do. I don't kow that there is. When I compare it what the launch does do. The people at the house ' say, milfoil's a problem. Please check your boat and here's literature on how to do it. I guess there's not a real tough enforcement. If you go through a launch and it's still left up to the individual and . I would trust ' that the people that live close or on the lake are as motivated, if not more motivated to check their boats than maybe somebody coming in over through the public launch. So in my mind the issue still is just to make sure we remain people when they bring their boats in, that they look for milfoil and maybe that we make sure that all residents in the beachlot get the literature so you know what you're looking for. That's all I have. ' Batzli: I'm sorry. Sir, did you have a comment to make? Resident: Yeah, he kind of summarized what I was going to say. We live on the lake. We live near the lake. We have ownership in this thing. I think we're more motivated than the average person, certainly...boat launch for keeping this lake free of milfoil and loosestrife and other kinds of noxious weeds. So I agree with what you're saying. I'd like to limit the ' access too but the public access for 17 boats can park, I think maybe your attention might be better directed towards that and the enforcement there which I've talked to the DNR about personally in the last few years. Never really gotten much of a response or satisfaction... And today it's pretty simple. It's around. It's going to get into lakes if you're not careful. I think it might already have been spotted in Lotus. I think...if the city ' will show the association how to acquire signs at maybe some kind of good rate, I don't think we'd have a problem trying...We wouldn't want a big one but a little one would be alright. ' Krauss: Well we don't know where signs, where you obtain them from but we have seen them and we'd be willing to check into that. ' Resident: Let us know. I mean I don't think, were very motivated to keep milfoil out and do what we can to make... Batzli: What I guess I'd like you to do is after this hearing, if you could talk to Paul and get each other's number or something and try to follow up after the meeting because I think it's an important issue. Where were we? Okay, Matt. Ledvina: I think that the request that's being made is very reasonable and I also have concerns about the milfoil issue and would like to see a follow up on that but beyond that I have no other questions or comments. Batzli: Steve? Emmings: I don't have anything to add. I think it's a reasonable request. We're not again, we brought this up last week but we're not going to get 1 1 Planning Commission Meeting May 20, 1992 - Page 7 into the business of approving picnic tables and grills and stuff like that. 1 Aanenson: The ordinance does address that. Emmings: So that isn't an issue. Okay. 1 Batzli: Jeff. Farmakes: I have no further comments other than the one that you mentioned" about the dock crossing the lot line. That would be something to look at. Batzli: Okay. Can you Paul, also follow up with the association to make 1 sure they're aware of the setback requirements for their dock? Thank you. Joan. Ahrens: I don't have anything. Batzli: I don't have any questions either. Would somebody like to make a 1 motion? Emmings: I'll move that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the II request of Frontier, what's the name of it? Frontier Trail Beachiot maintaining the 1981 status quo with one dock, 40 feet in length, no boats being moored, continued use of the motor vehicle access, parking for 5. Well, for a maximum of 6 cars and a boat launch. And also approval of th swimming beach. Conrad: Second. 1 Emmings moved, Conrad seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Frontier Trail Non - Conforming Recreation Beachiot with one dock, 40 feet in length, no boats being moored, continued use of their motor vehicle access, parking for a maximum of 6 cars, a boat launch (20 feet wide), and a swimming beach. All voted in favor and the motion carried. 1 Batzli: When will this particular item go in front of the City Council? Krauss: We don't have the thing up on top but we think it's June 8th. 1 PUBLIC HEARING: NON - CONFORMING USE PERMIT FOR A RECREATIONAL BEACHLOT FOR SUNRISE HILLS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. Public Present: Name Address 1 Craig Luehr 7226 Frontier Trail Kate Aanenson presented the staff report on this item. Chairman Batzli called the public hearing to order. 1