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FROM: Sharmin Al -Jaff, Planner I Jo-P.1-1/
1 DATE: October 9, 1991
I SUBJ: Neighborhood Meeting Between Carver Beach Estates
Residents and Developer of Troendle Addition
On September 16, 1991, the Ca r Beach Estates neighborhood
I appeared before the City Council I 0 voiced their concern regarding
construction traffic which will . • `: erated due to the development
of the Troendle subdivision. T` background of the City's
I involvement in the access is es •1ncerning the plat are very
involved and explored in ear ' r re v its . A number of hearings
were held with extensive pub A noti• and input at every stage.
The end result is that the d -. eloper i paying $10,000 towards the
I ultimate - extension of Nez - ce Drive - Pleasant View Road. As
the Troendle plat has bee - pproved by e City Council and filed
at the county, we are ' in a positn to impose any further
I conditions on the plat. ` he Council re• ested that the residents
seek to have a meetin•;ith the applican to discuss the issues.
II On October 2, ,,/'', staff attended the neighborhood meeting.
Representing :e ••licant Fr • were Attorney Julius
Smith and Da� " ° ' : s. "` ° ` - • Associates. Council
members pre e - #3..� i� _ � � � r s 1! -r.
Mr. Fortier open _ ,- meeting by presenting „ 'i.' ti ary of the
Troendle plat. He then 4 c ,, at Mr B :. • fi _.' ' 11 ade an offer to
I the State of Minnesota to purcha 3 r " ';* ' erly half of the Owens'
property located to the west oi :'tf,e' Troendle plat. A draft plan
was presented that showed the a s' property divided in half by
I the extension of Nez Perce. °
The <��rthern half was divided into two
lots with frontage on Peaceful Lane to be purchased and developed
by Mr. Beddor. The southerly half was divided into four lots and
proposed to be served by a private driveway extending from Peaceful
I Lane and to be developed by another developer. Mr. Fortier did not
indicate the name of that developer.
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A question was raised about who will pay for the extension of Nez
Perce, and it was requested that staff answer that question. Staff
I/ stated that the city has to be petitioned to construct the road
and, upon completion, we would assess the property owners receiving
benefit from the project. Another alternative is that the
developer construct the road and deed it back to the city. This
project could also be initiated by the City Council.
Fortier stated that in his opinion, assessing property owners is
not a feasible solution for Mr. Beddor as he is proposing two lots
only in the northern half of Owens' property. Staff did not take
a position on this at the meeting, However, we believe Mr. Fortier
is wrong and fully intends to recommend assessing the benefitted
properties created on the Owens' land.
A second subdivision scenario prepared by Fortier was produced,
which showed a road connection between Nez Perce and Lake Lucy Road
via the southerly half of the Owens' property. Staff was asked if
this was an option. Staff replied that this proposed connection
would have to cross a steep hill to make that connection. The city
has adopted a policy that would limit street grades to 7% or less.
Furthermore, at the time Vineland plat was approved, the City
Council adopted an access concept plan. The option proposed by
Fortier was reviewed and dropped. The approved concept plan would
loop Nez Perce Drive to the west, parallel to Pleasant View Road,
and hook up with Peaceful Lane. Currently, Nez Perce terminates in
a temporary cul -de -sac at the easterly property line of the
Troendle plat. When the Troendle Plat appeared for subdivision in
front of the Council, the access concept plan was implemented.
When the Owens' property develops, city staff will request that the
City Council consider and complete the adoption of the access
concept. A resident of the neighborhood pleaded that the city not
change this plan (the city has never given an indication of a
desire to do so).
Other comments were made regarding speeding along Lake Lucy Road,
and the possibility of installing speed limit and stop signs.
Staff stated that these comments would be brought to the Traffic
Committee's attention. Some of the residents requested that the
developer ask his builders to comply with the speed limit. Fortier
said that this is something that can be taken care of.
Another issue of concern was the intersection on Nez Perce and Lake
Lucy Road. Residents believed that stop signs are needed. The
engineering department has informed us that the street department
has ordered street and traffic control signs for Vineland Forest
Addition, which includes Nez Perce and Vineland Court. The
engineering department is aware of the limited sight distance on
Lake Lucy Road at Nez Perce. The engineering staff is considering
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reducing the south boulevard grade to improve sight distance and
implementation of this proposal in 1992.
The last issue raised at the City Council meeting concerned
developing a temporary access over land owned by Beddor in Vineland
Forest. Staff confirmed that Mr. Beddor owns the northern three
lots. The City Council may remember that when the Vineland Forest
plat was approved, an access option to Pleasant View Road in this
location was deleted due to resident objections along Pleasant View
Road. Our engineering department tells us that new utility lines
were installed in the vicinity of these three lots with the
Vineland Forest subdivision. Due to the location and depth of
these utilities, it is not possible to consider driving through
this area on a temporary or permanent basis. If construction
traffic were to utilize a driveway over these lines, it is likely
that they stand a serious probability of being damaged.
SUMMARY 1
Staff is unsure as to how we can further resolve this issue at this
time. The facts as we see them are as follows: 1
1. The city has had a long standing policy of developing an
extension of Nez Perce to Pleasant View. Due to the
underlying land ownership situation, it is reasonable that
this is being done incrementally as the property develops and
the city has demonstrated a good faith effort towards this end
as evidenced by the design of the Vineland Forest and Troendle
Addition plats.
2. Residents have been notified of every public hearing, far
beyond normal notice requirements due to staff's sensitivity
to their concerns and a desire to keep them involved.
3. The Troendle Addition plat has a condition requiring the 1
payment of $10,000 by the applicant that will be used towards
the completion of Nez Perce to Pleasant View Road. This was
a compromise condition that was recommended by staff and
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approved by the City Council after reviewing all pertinent
facts as well as resident concerns.
4. The Troendle Addition has been approved and filed, and the 1
applicant has satisfied all conditions attached to this
approval. 1
5. In the interest of making a good faith effort to resolve these
matters, the applicant did meet with the neighbors and has, as
we understand it, directed that initial construction traffic
enter the site from the north along Pleasant View Road to
respond to neighborhood concerns. Staff is unsure as to
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whether this can be done on a permanent basis and, frankly, we
don't believe that it can. We fully expect that when homes
are under construction in this area that contractors will
likely enter on the public rights -of -way off of Lake Lucy
Road.
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acquire a portion of the Art Owens' property. A subdivision
that would be required to split this property will result in
1 the dedication of right -of -way sufficient to complete the
connection of Nez Perce to Pleasant View. We do not believe
that there is any realistic means of accelerating a private
individual's acquisition of another private individual's
1 property; however, everyone concerned seems to be making a
good faith effort to bring this about.
Unless directed by the City Council to undertake further
initiatives in this area, staff will consider this matter closed
until we have had an application submitted on the Art Owens
property or until 18 months has passed and the City Council has
directed us to once again bring this item back before them.
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MEMORANDUM
II TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager
FROM: Paul Krauss, Director of Planning
II Dave Hempel, Sr. Engineering Technician
DATE: September 8, 1989
II SUBJ: Alternative Access Concepts for the Vineland Forest
Subdivision #89 -8
II BACKGROUND
On August 28, 1989, the City Council reviewed the preliminary
II plat request for the Vineland Forest subdivision (see location
map). The plat as proposed illustrates the creation of 21 single
family lots accessed by a cul -de -sac from Pleasant View Road that
is approximately 1250 feet long. The proposed plats and existing
II homes are shown on an attachment.
Access into the plat is the primary issue. Area residents raised
I concerns over traffic on Pleasant View Road at the Planning
Commission meeting with the result that the Commission was unable
to reach a consensus on the plat. Staff recommended approval of
II the plat conditioned on the addition of a southern outlet from
the plat, using Nez Perce right -of -way to intersect with Lake
Lucy Road. The inclusion of the southern outlet would result in
the creation of a north /south connection between Lake Lucy Road
II and Pleasant View Road and also provide a second access as
requested by Public Safety.
II At the City Council meeting further discussion on access issues
was heard. A series of revised access concepts were introduced
by an architect representing homeowners located on Pleasant View
Road. The City Council ultimately voted to• continue the item to
II give staff an opportunity to review access alternatives.
Development of Alternative Access Plans
II Prior to preparing alternative access plans staff considered a
number of issues. These are described below as follows:
II 1. Access plans for Vineland Forest should be designed to serve
not only the site but also adjoining vacant and under-
developed parcels in a comprehensive manner. For the pur-
' poses of this analysis, we have defined the study area as the
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September 8, 1989
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land located between Peaceful Lane on the west, Pleasant View
Road on the north, the Fox Path neighborhood on the east, and .
Lake Lucy Road on the south. We acknowledge that these par-
cels may not be developed in the same time frame. However,
we believe the overall access plan\is essential if adequate
levels of service are to be provided while minimizing neigh-
borhood and environmental disruptions. Existing platting and
neighborhood's development pattern should be taken into
account to maximize feasibility of the concept and minimize
neighborhood disruption.
2. Given the size of the study area, staff estimates that ,
approximately 55 homes could eventually be built. Each,
single family home will generage approximately 10 trips per
day. This estimate is based upon the access and development
concept plans that are presented in this report. The plans
attempt to provide lots consistent with city development
standards. In our opinion, to adequately serve this large an
area a through street connection is warranted. The connec-
tion is important to being able to provide adequate levels of
service for local residents and reasonable emergency vehicle
response times. From the standpoint, of the larger,
surrounding neighborhood a north /south connection is con-
sidered to be of benefit for traffic flow and emergency
vehicle access since it would be the only connection between ,
Powers Boulevard and Lotus Lake.
3. Traffic levels on Pleasant View Road are a consideration.
The street carries a fairly high traffic volume and is on the
city's state -aid system. Recent counts taken by the city
show traffic levels of somewhere between 960 and 1300 ADT
(average daily traffic) at the Vineland Forest site. An ADT
of 1000 is commonly thought to be the dividing line between
local and collector streets. Portions of the street exist as
a sunstandard design exacerbating traffic problems. 1
4. The access concept should result in a high quality residen-
tial environment. Significant stands of trees and wetlands
should be protected. Cul -de -sacs should be created where
feasible.
Potential Access Points into the Study Area ,
There are a series of roads and undeveloped rights -of -way that
could provide access into the study area (see attachment). Each
was reviewed to assess its feasibility for extension into 'the
area. These are described below:
1. Pleasant View Drive ,
Advantages - Street functions as a collector with east /west
access. Grades and sight distance make access. 1
feasible along much of the frontage.
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September 8, 1989
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Disadvantages - Street is built to substandard design and
carries high traffic volumes. Neighborhood
impact and traffic safety considerations.
2. Fox Path
Advantages - Ability to use an undeveloped, dedicated right -
of -way, north /south alignment that could serve
to create street connection, while eliminating
an existing over - length cul -de -sac.
Disadvantages - Connection is extremely difficult to make, due ,
to severe grades and environmental impacts.
Also, potential neighborhood opposition in
,Fox Chase if through street considered. It
is not considered to be feasible.
3. Park Drive (Nez Perce) 1
Advantages Provides good access to the south via undeveloped
dedicated right -of -way (40 foot) and has
access to Powers Boulevard via Lake Lucy
Road.
Disadvantages - Grade on Park Drive is a concern. However,
upon further investigation it was concluded
that a maximum 10% grade with a 40 foot long
landing area at 2% grade at the street inter-
section could be provided and that grading
limits are. acceptable. Staff believes this is
a reasonable alternative from a design stand-
point. Sketches showing street profile
options and grading limits are attached.
4. Kiowa Drive (Hopi Road) ,
Advantages - Undeveloped dedicated right -of -way following
similar alignment to but east of Park Drive.
Disadvantages - Very difficult grades are present. Street
construction would result in extensive tree
loss. Staff questions if construction is
feasible. Access to Powers Boulevard is not
direct. The street is presently constructed
as a dead end serving several homes.
Although right -of -way is dedicated to make a
connection to Powers Boulevard it is.unlikely
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Advantages - The street is intended to serve the Pleasant
Hills plat. The plat was given final approval
but has not been filed. Plat approval will
expire in October. Access through this area is
reasonable and without serious difficulty.
' Provides reasonably good connection to the north
with east /west connection via Pleasant View
Road at a good location.
Disadvantages - Approved plat (which probably will expire
October) may limit design options. Would
still result in the introduction of traffic
onto Pleasant View but this is off -set by
short distance to Powers Boulevard.
' 6. Outlot A, Carver Beach Estates
Advantages - Undeveloped right -of -way to Lake Lucy Road.
Provides good access to the south.
Disadvantages - Grades make access difficult. Proximity to
Powers Boulevard may make connection redun-
dant.
Alternatives /Comment
There are a large variety of alternatives for serving the study
area. Staff has attempted to limit the number of alternatives to
those which have been discussed previously and a new alternative,
' that in our opinion, represents the most reasonable remaining
option. The alternatives that have been studied are described
below along with comments derived from review criteria
established earlier:
1. This alternative is essentially the access option proposed by
the developer illustrating serving Vineland Forest by a long
cul -de -sac from Pleasant View. The concept has been expanded
to illustrate how the balance of the study area could be
served in a comprehensive manner.
Comment - The option illustrates the ultimate construction of
a street loop between the originally proposed Vineland Forest/
' Pleasant View intersction to the Peaceful Lane dead end to
the west. The alternative will ultimately provide a street
loop that should offer adequate service internally within the
study area. Construction of the street loop would be con-
' tingent upon the decisions of other property owners to
develop their land. As illustrated, the northern stub street
in Vineland Forest has been eliminated since, as proposed, it
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cannot be built without the removal of a home on the 11
adjoining parcel. This revision has been repeated in the
three remaining alternatives as well.
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Connecting to Pleasant View from Peaceful Lane rather then
the original Vineland location to the east, could have a
beneficial traffic impact. We believe this would result from
Pleasant Lane's proximity to Powers Boulevard that should
help orient traffic to the west rather then east along
Pleasant View. The streets appear to be feasible from a
grading standpoint and environmental impact is not
excessive.
There are two significant problems with the alternative. The 1
loop street concept results in the fact that all of the traf-
fic in the study area will be required to use Pleasant View.
The second concern is that it does not provide any access of
the south thus eliminating the potential for a north /south
street connection.
2. The second alternative is the dual cul -de -sac option ,
illustrated by an architect working for the Pleasant View
area homeowners. To allow for a reasonable comparison the
alternative was expanded to create a comprehensive access
plan for the study area.
Comment - This option tends to split the access burden with
most of the traffic.exiting south to Lake Lucy Road.
Ultimately a connection would be made to the west to Peaceful
Lane. A small portion of the traffic would exit directly
onto Pleasant View at the original Vineland Forest intersec-
tion.
This alternative can be reasonably constructed based on gra- 1
des and environmental impacts are consistent with normal
residential development. There is a north /south street con-
nection but the alignment is quite convoluted which presents
a problem for through movements. Distance traveled will be
higher as will emergency vehicle response times. Again,
construction is contingent upon the development decisions of
adjoining property owners.
3. Staff attempted to start with a clean sheet of paper to
create Alternative 3. The concept is based on a street loop
running from Lake Lucy /Nez Perce to Peaceful Lane.
Comment - The alignment is more direct then the one described
in Alternative 2. Street construction is reasonable, all
study area parcels are served and high quality residential
environments will result. The south } of the Vineland plat
remains largely unchanged. The Peaceful Lane connection is
contingent upon the vacating or expiration of the Peaceful
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September 8, 1989
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Hills plat (due to expire in October). As with Alternatives
1 and 2 the construction of the street loop is.contingent
upon development decisions of adjoining property owners.
4. The final alternative is the original staff recommendation
expanded to illustrate serving the entire study area. The
street connection between Lake Lucy Road /Nez Perce and
Pleasant View is probably the best alignment for meeting
access needs throughout the neighborhoods surrounding the
study area since it is centrally located between Powers
Boulevard and Lake Lucy. As such it may also have a greater
potential for introducing traffic increases onto Pleasant
View. A significant advantage is that the connection could
be constructed immediately without requiring the par-
ticipation of adjoining property owners.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION
Staff continues to support the original access concept
' illustrated as Alternative 4. Our reasons for this position area
based on the advantages of the alignment for the north /south con-
nection and the fact that it could be built immediately without
requiring participation by adjacent property owners. The impor-
tance of the last factor should not be minimized. Constructing
street extensions after a neighborhood has been developed is
often a controversial process.
If this option is not acceptable to the Council we would recom-
mend that Alternative 3 be selected since it meets the
established criteria while providing reasonable north /south con-
nection.
Alternatives 2 and 3 would require a substandtial redesign of the
' Vineland plat. If Alternatives 2 or 3 are selected we would
recommend that the required be returned to the Planning
Commission for review of a revised plat based upon your direc-
tions regarding access.
The Council should be aware that city staff does not have the
' capability to prepare an indepth analysis of traffic patterns.
We believe the data presented in this report is reasonable based
upon our knowledge of the subject. If a greater understanding of
' this question is desired a consultant would need to be retained
to prepare a computer model of the area. While this would pro-
vide valuable information, it would involve additional time and
cost.
The Council should also be aware that regardless of which option
is selected, easements must be provided to construct sewer and
water lines north to Pleasant View.
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Mr. Don Ashworth
September 8, 198
Page 5
cannot be built without the removal of a home on the
adjoining parcel. This revision has been repeated in the
three remaining alternatives as well.
Connecting to Pleasant View from peaceful Lane rather then
the original Vineland location to the east, could. have a
beneficial traffic impact. We believe this would result from
Pleasant Lane's proximity to Powers Boulevard that should
help orient traffic to the west rather then east along
Pleasant View. The streets appear to be feasible from a
grading standpoint and environmental impact is.not
excessive.
There are two significant problems with the alternative. The
loop street concept results in the fact that all of the traf-
fic in the study area will be required to use Pleasant View.
The second concern is that it does not provide any access of
the south thus eliminating the potential for a north /south
street connection.
2. The second alternative is the dual cul -de -sac option
illustrated by an architect working for the Pleasant View
area homeowners. To allow for a reasonable comparison the
alternative was expanded to create a comprehensive access
plan for the study area.
Comment - This option tends to split the access burden with
most of the traffic exiting south to Lake Lucy Road.
Ultimately a connection would be made to the west to Peaceful
Lane. A small portion of the traffic would exit directly
onto Pleasant View at the original Vineland Forest intersec-
tion.
This alternative can be reasonably constructed based on 9 ra-
des and environmental impacts are consistent with normal
residential development. There is a north /south street con-
nection but the alignment is quite convoluted which presents
a problem for through movements. Distance traveled will be
higher as will emergency vehicle response times. Again,
construction is contingent upon the development decisions of
adjoining property owners.
3. Staff attempted to start with a clean sheet of paper to
create Alternative 3. The concept is based on a street loop
running from Lake Lucy /Nez Perce to Peaceful Lane.
Comment - The alignment is more direct then the one described
in Alternative 2. Street construction is reasonable, all
study area parcels are served and high quality residential
environments will result. The south-} of the Vineland plat
remains largely unchanged. The Peaceful Lane connection is
contingent upon the vacating or expiration of the Peaceful
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