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9. Lake Ann Park Picnic Shelter Review concept Plan 1 CITYOF CHANHASSEN ' 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: April 17, 1991 SUBJ: Lake Ann Park Picnic/Recreation Shelter, Review Concept Plan/1991 Budget Amendment As you are aware, the Lake Ann Shelter project has a relatively long history, dating back to the start of conceptualization and planning in July of 1983. Constructing a park shelter building at Lake Ann Park has been a goal of the city for this entire eight years. Parks such as Lake Ann and others of similar stature, and park facilities such as this shelter, are regarded as valued public assets in communities throughout Minnesota and indeed across the country. The benefits of a quality park system are far reaching, improving the lives of all residents, directly or indirectly. ' The attached diagrams represent, in some respects, the culmination of the eight years of planning for this park shelter. During those years, four separate LAWCON State Grant applications seeking matching funds for this project (Fiscal years 1984, 1985, 1987 and 1989) were submitted. After submitting four applications, all of which were unsuccessful, it became apparent that a matching grant ' was not going to be received. With that realization, the Park and Recreation Commission included the shelter in the 1990 CIP recommending that $100,000 be allocated for the project. ' Unfortunately, the construction of the shelter was again not realized in 1990. In the development of the 1991 Park Acquisition and Development Program, the Lake Ann Shelter remained a focal point. The unfortunate truth, however, is the amount budgeted, $110, 000, has only increased $20, 000 from the original cost estimate. Eight ' years later, the goal of constructing this park shelter remains, but we are faced with the reality of 1991 construction costs. Todays estimated cost to construct the Lake Ann Park Shelter approachs $300, 000, inclusive. This figure contains approximately $100,000 of utility improvements for the park, which were not a ■ • 1 I Lake Ann Park Shelter • April 17, 1991 Page 2 part of the original grant proposals. Recognizing that the utilities would be funded through the sewer and water expansion funds and with dollars budgeted in the 1991 CIP for the installation of electrical service to the softball concession ' building, leaves $200,000 to be paid from the Park Acquisition and Development Fund. With $110,000 currently budgeted for the shelter project, a 1991 budget amendment to include an additional $90,000 in the Park Capital Improvement budget is necessary. These expenditures are significant both in dollar amount and in the resulting benefits to city residents. Recognizing the ' desireability of being in a position to finance these types of park projects, the city has accumulated a Park Acquisition and Development Fund cash reserve of $300,000, above the additional ' $250, 000 in reserves identified for specific projects (i.e. acquisition of land west of Lake Minnewashta, source of matching dollars for accepted grant proposals and Herman Field Park development) . The cash on hand in the Park Acquisition and Development Fund currently exceeds $600,000. If the City Council concurs with this analysis, the City is in a position to move forward. Favorable action by the City Council would result in not only a quality park shelter being constructed, but also in increased services to residents and the extension of utility services to the park which will be used for other improvement projects at Lake Ann Park for years to come. ATTACHMENTS 1. Picnic/Recreation Shelter Proposed Scheme dated revised April 15, 1991. 2. Park and Recreation Commission minutes dated April 9, 1991. 3. Memo to Park and Recreation Commission dated April 5, 1991. 4 . Memo from Mark Koegler dated April 5, 1991 with schematics. ' Manager's Comments: As noted in Todd's report, the 1991 Park Capital Improvement Budget currently maintains an undesignated balance of approximately $300,000. Also as noted, this amount is in addition to the general $100,Q00 reserve and the $100,000 reserve maintained for upcoming LAWCON grant applications. The undesignated reserve did not just happen. For several years, park charge collections, over and above those budgeted, have been held in abeyance anticipating that a prominent project would emerge. The proposed Lake Ann shelter qualifies as a major improvement project albeit aspirations have always been to have the project jointly funded through state/federal dollars. Current and I 1 I I Lake Ann Park Shelter April 17 , 1991 Page 3 projected future rules are and will be to prohibit this project from being eligible for state/federal dollars. In light of the fact that monies have been accumulated over a period of time for a project similar to the shelter and recognizing that the shelter itself has been a priority for many years, this office concurs with the recommendations of the Park and Recreation Commission and Park and Recreation Coordinator that the 1991 Budget be amended to include an additional $100,000 from undesignated reserves to complete the Lake Ann shelter as included in the 1991 Budget. 7)0(\ iL I 1 I 1 1 1 i 1 1 I I I 1 • . I , _______ _.__ .. ,r ' 1;.0. e 1771 LSDitNOit&I! .<:C-C < .., • 2 ..' ,---'-'.-0 81 . i g I -LC o 0 j- --Ac _ -S: o c...1. ":" 1; —1,............r,....,..........,, NMI I A \ ; 7 ,.... 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II& 11 a,,,1 WI WI I I kL\bk \ \ III P,1, e firi II 111___- 1 i CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING APRIL 9, 1991 Chairman Schroers called the meeting to order at 8:50 p.m . . MEMBERS PRESENT: Jim Andrews , Dawne Erhart , Curt Robinson, Larry Schroers , I Dave Koubsky , and Jan Lash MEMBERS ABSENT: Wendy Pemrick , STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ; Jerry Ruegemer , Recreation Supervisor ; and Mark Koegler , Van Doren-Hazard- Stallings LAKE ANN PARK COMMUNITY PICNIC/RECREATION SHELTER. , Hoffman: Thank you Larry . This is the second of two meetings . Basically we want to keep it somewhat informal as a work session by the Commission. The initial meeting discussing this item . . .recommendations about design mechanisms and overall maintainability and those types of issues were brought up by the Park and Recreation Commission . Those in turn were noted and brought back to Mark and the folks at Van Doren-Hazard-Stallings to- go ahead and - incorporate into the plan and the design scheme of this particular building . So what you have before you this. evening represents those changes as noted . Again as Mark explained in his brief , this is not a final plan . It is not a blueprint . It does not include light switches . The spigots which we talked about and those types of things but those have been duly noted and will be incorporated in the final design. A couple issues which we specifically should discuss tonight is the change in railing design . There was concerns about the railing in that if a person went up to the railing in the initial design, layout and looked over it , they could see people directly below you and could lob bomb those people pretty accurately because they can see them . As shown in the new layouts , there 's somewhat , giving some distance there so if a person walks up to that railing and looks over , there's either the planter concept . . . (There was audio trouble with the tape at this point in the discussion . ) Hoffman: . . .Initial presentation would be made to the City Council . Some firmer numbers from what were presented at the last meeting to the Commission will be presented to the City Council for discussion but that by no means will be the last time which the Park and Recreation Commission , will be able to evaluate and critique this plan either . I foresee it will jog back and forth both at the Council level and Commission level a number of times still until this thing is finally worked out in it's final form I where we can get on with the construction starting sometime in late summer of 1991 . With that, Mr . Koegler . Mark Koegler : Todd covered probably most of what I needed to go through. ' I want to highlight just a couple more changes that have occurred based on the Commission's comments last time around. Specifically the fireplace is gone. As you recommended, we have retained the chimney as an architectural II feature and also as a functional feature. In that corner we'll replace the I 1 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 2 4 old fireplace with kind of a general cooking , counter space , electrical outlet probably with a small sink area there as well . So if somebody has some type of a cooktop or crock pot or something, and if there 's any fumes or smoke or whatever , literally can use a functional chimney. There was relunctance to get rid of the chimney for a variety of reasons. Primarily being aesthetics . That when you viewed the structure from the lake , that was a big impact and we 've even got in the back of our minds doing some specialized rock work if budget ever permits with maybe City logo or something as a part of that and it could be really an attractive feature . So for now that 's been retained. As Todd eluded to, we've offered two sketches as to how to possibly alleviate the problem of people lobbing IF things over the edge . The planter option was the first one that was put together and discussing that one , there was some concern about maintenance . Plant materials and what that would mean for the public works people. As an alternative then , there's that shed roof concept also which is kind of a slight mansard that would kind of just come off the railing , if you will and slope down and break the line of eye sight. That 's really what we 're after . In the packets you've got a full sized sheet and then two 8 1/2 x 11 vertical sheets that showed you two different floor plan options for that lower level . Quick notes on those . The overall amount of floor space there remains essentially unchanged. There was kind of a split on the commission last time with half of the group being in the camp basically that we just don't want to give up space unless we absolutely have to. So as of this point in time , we haven 't given any space up as of yet . What we have done is reconfigured that in response to some of the commission 's comments about doorways being down corridors and so forth. The first- scheme maintains the restrooms in the same configuration they were in previously . The second concept , which is I think probably more workable , as far as the females are concerned , is more the Target Center approach . It has larger additional stall in the women's area . Both of the restroom areas , the stool areas have been enlarged to serve as kind of the mini-dressing rooms that we talked about last time . And notice they do have doors . Other than that, the food service rental configuration is essentially the same as I mentioned. We have kept the amount of space there . What this means in generalized round budget kind of thinking is we pulled out the fireplace box which was an expensive item. We have put back in some of the counter space. Some of the electrical . Some of the water connections . We 've retained the square footage on the lower level . The net is we 're right about where we were previously in terms of general king of budget thinking . In talking to Todd and Don about that , I think the philosophy was to kind of let's maintain that right now status and take that onto the City Council to see what kind of reaction they have. So I 'd be certainly willing to address any questions that you have on this and I assume the end result tonight is we 'll be looking for some kind of recommendation to go onto the Council tentatively on April 22nd. If there 's any questions I 'd be glad to address them. Robinson: Mark, how high is that upper level from the ground? About 10 feet? 8-10 feet it looks like . Koegler : From which? Describe a little more to me where you're at. Robinson: I guess the top of that planter . Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 3 Koegler : Oh , from ground plane? 1 Robinson: Yeah. Probably 10-12 feet maybe . Koegler : I 'll scale that off . From that railing is going to be about 10 II to 12 feet . From the top edge of the planter itself and then the railing would sit above that or the railing would sit up above the little shed roof portion also . Lash: Mark , I think I 've asked this before. I just want to double check . It shows the two walkways coming out of the upper level . ' Koegler : Yes . Lash: One is going south right? Up to the top of the hill? , Koegler : Yes . 11 Lash: And then the other one is going east? Koegler : One would be going south . The other would be going east . II Essentially the way it 's configured now . They both would go back , kind of up the hill if you will . Lash: I guess what I was trying to think, or what I was trying to figure , II is it possible to have either the bathroom access on the same side as the walk is coming out or have the walk on the other side? Is the terrain, is it too bad? , Koegler : No . Lash: Like if you wanted to get to the restrooms from the upstairs , it 'd I be easier to take the walk . Just go down the walk and be on the lower level than to have to go all the way around. Koegler : They will , given the grade and the slope in that , there will be stairs that still aren't shown on here that come down right off of one or both of those walkways to get down there . That will be the only way to transcend that slope without going back around. There will be another handicapped access that will serve this building but it will be going back, if you will , around the trees and coming back to the lower level . Lash: So on the west side where the entrances are , we wouldn't be able to make. . . Koegler: No. Lash: And you can't have the bathroom access on the east side? I • Koegler : We can take a look at switching that . Lash: I don't know if the grades of the land would accommodate that but it ■ would be more convenient for the people upstairs. But then it would be 11 • Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 4 4 less convenient for the people from the beach . Koegler : From the beach, yeah. It was positioned this way to provide the closest access to the beach which we assumed would be the primary users . Lash: Okay . The other thing , end maybe Larry you could answer this better , do you think it would be handy for the maintenance guys to have another door into the storage area that would be closer like right out into this bathroom area so if they kept hoses or whatever in there, they could just take them out there instead of having them go all the way through the rental and service area? Schroers: Which plan are you looking at? Lash: I guess I 'm looking at B . But both of them are that way . Where the only access into the storage area is through the rental area . 1 Schroers: Well , I don 't think you want maintenance guys accessing it through the women 's bathroom . Lash: Well yeah, that 's true . Kids are going to go in there. . . No, I 'm saying another door . . .just go straight in there with the hose instead of having to carry it . Schroers: You know that is a good point. Covenience is important both in just in operating efficiency . Sometimes the cost involved with rearranging the floor plan and adding a door wouldn't justify the few minutes that were ' saved by having to go around. I guess that 's something that Mark could maybe tell us better in terms of numbers. What it might cost to have an additional access to this storage area . Hoffman: Jan, I agree that that looks like a good idea . Just bring in another door straight from the women 's interest into the storage room . I would anticipate that maintenance people would be doing their maintenance first thing in the morning prior to the park. Prior to the food service and the rental area being opened. That type of thing so that's one issue which says that the need is still there but to a lesser extent. Koubsky: One option on that floor plan might be to have that women's stall labeled as number 7 as maybe cleaning storage area where it 's listed now . The storage area has to go through the rental and it has to go through the food service so they 'd be bringing cleaning material through the food area . I had asked my wife , she seemed to think that the 3 bathrooms in the other figure were plenty. The three toilets . That's a thought . Jan likes 4 but. Lash: I like 5. I mean the Men have 5. If you count the two urinals. Right and then 3 stalls. Who goes more often? - Robinson: Women have 3 sinks. Lash: They wash their hands. I don't know. It just seems like little girls and women and pregnant women and it seems like they're in line a lot 1 1 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 5 longer than the men. You could put in more urinals. That 's what men use 11 the most , I think . And take out a stall or maybe give one of the stalls to the women. I just don 't think the women have too many stalls . The Target theory . , Hoffman: That was the reasoning for re-evaluating . Going from Y to Z was to accommodate that . I Koubsky: But the storage and food service question is a definite issue yes? Schroers: I also don 't like the idea of having to take the cleaning supplies through the food service and rental area . Koegler : It would be easy to create a door opening into the women's restroom . Koubsky: Or into the lifeguard area . , Koegler : And then access from there . We 'll take a look at that . Koubsky: The lifeguard might also have supplies that he needs . First Aid II supplies or buoys or whatever . I 'm not sure what's going to be out there . Hoffman: Typically that room is going to, we 'll attempt to keep it fairly I self-contained with our current status with the Minnetonka Community Services, that will be their space . They will have equipment in that location and cleaning of that room will fall back onto somewhat of their responsibility but the overall maintenance will fall back onto us . I would not foresee that they would need general access to the storage area and we may not want that accessibility. ' Schroers: And this just didn't take a major redesign . Andrews: I guess to follow up on one of Jan's points. I would push for , probably more urinals in the men's bathroom and probably, I 'm not sure what types of styles you 're choosing but I would ask that at least one be for children. So it 'd be lower to the floor . You might be able to knock out that toilet area #3 and rearrange the sinks a little bit and have maybe 4 urinals . I would think they'd be easier to clean for one and they're probably be used more than the stall . And have at least one set low for children. Koegler : Obviously at this point we haven't speced out anything as to what they are but we always include lower mounted that will handle kids. What is the feeling of how many stalls you want in the men's restroom? Is 2 plus 3 or 4 urinals , is that adequate? Schroers: I would think that 2 stalls would be enough. Robinson: Yeah, I would say a couple more urinals at the price of another II stall . 1/ 1 1 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 6 Schroers: We have a beach area that I have to believe , even after we have this nice shelter here , is busier than Lake Ann is going to be and there are two stalls there in the men 's that seem to be pretty adequate . It handles the numbers fairly well and there are 4 stalls in the ladies . It seems to accommodate a lot of people . Robinson: Back to one of Jan's comments . There is no inside stairway? Koegler : Correct . The stairway connection will be exterior . Robinson: I guess that 's alright . Schroers: How do you feel Mark about accessing the storage area from the 11 outside.of the building? Just an exterior door? Koegler : We could do that . It will require a reconfiguration again of this lower level because right now that 's into the hill . That side is buried completely . That wall but it could be reconfigured to do that . Any time we get another door opening , you get another security concern to the exterior . So for now we 've kind of limited those . I think certainly it does need to be added to the restroom . It can be added to the exterior by reconfiguring the footprint if that's your desire . • ' Schroers: Well , I don 't know if it would be worth it to reconfigure the whole thing just to make an outside access to the storage. But I 'm a little bit uncomfortable with having to access the ladies room in order to get at the storage because there are going to be busy periods where you're ' going to run out of supplies and have to add paper towels or toilet paper or whatever the situation is and someone is going to have to be there to go in and clean up a mess or a spill or something like that . If you 're fortunate enough to have both male and female employees , possibly you could send in the appropriate person in. ' Lash: What if you were to extend the wall from the men's room and just make this more of a hall and then have the door here that goes into the women's and you could have a door there? Koegler : We can do that very easily . The last concept, if you remember last time around, had exactly that and the comment was that we 've got this corridor that we have to go down and we don't want a door at the end of the corridor . But we can do that. That 's a very functional approach. Lash: I guess when I talked about having another access door to the women's room, I meant another door so that when you didn't want or couldn't go through the rental and food service area, you could access it that way but that wouldn't be your number one. But you could take your cleaning materials out when you 're going to do the restrooms but that would . . .use that door . Koegler : Yeah . Putting the door back in that location where it was would certainly solve that problem and you can cut a doorway right into the storage room. S Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 7 Schroers: I like that idea personally . I Koubsky: I do too . I think a concern with the door which is now the men's or proposed , is that people standing in line at the food service and on the beach could see directly into the women's bathroom more . Lash: Right , and that was the changing area and there was no door or anything . Koubsky: Where this at least it 's out of public 's eye. I Lash: There 's a door there and then there 's also a door to the stall that 's straight in . Koubsky: Then if need be , that allows them an area to start their line . Out of sight . Andrews: Protected from the elements . , Koubsky: Well that 's right and it would be covered . Hoffman: If need be there Mark, for the privacy , issue a little wall? Koegler : Yeah , we can look at that . Sure . ' Hoffman: Into the men's , if you 'd opened the door you 'd be facing the concrete wall . . . I Schroers: Mark , where would the plumbing be accessed for maintenance and seasonal draining of the system and that sort of thing? Koegler : I can 't really answer that right now. There 's a chase shown between the sinks and the urinals , along that wall . There would be one central point as part of the plans where the system could be drained . But II I can 't tell you exacly where that is right now because we 'll be moving a few things now anyway . Schroers: Okay. I have some personal experience with that in that we have II had a couple of situations where that hasn't really been much consideration and we had to tear walls out to get at plumbing in order to drain it so it didn't freeze and break the pipes in the wintertime . So it sure would be nice if the system was set up to have one drain point and you could hook an II airhose on one end and just blow it out and have it be taken care of . But my personal experience is that the valves all have to be taken apart and they have to have anti-freeze put in them and all that sort of thing and there's a need for a work space in order to do that. Hoffman: It 's your opinion Larry that the space , that chase should be wide II enough for a person to actually access it and there should be an access. . .? Schroers: To access it and to be able to use a pipe wrench. I Hoffman: In that area inbetween. e Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9, 1991 - Page 8 11 Schroers: We have a space . You know Doug Mitchell . Is this on the record? Hoffman: Yes. Schroers: Well , we have a person that is very thin and small and the access point is about 14 inches wide and trying to get your body in there and work with a wrench besides , I mean it 's practically impossible . In an emergency , broken plumbing or something like that , it 'd be a real disaster . Andrews: I have a question about the food service area . That is, is there �• a plan to bring water into that area? It 's not shown there . Koegler : Yes . The intent is to have water in that- area for clean-up purposes . Andrews: Sinks? ' Koegler : Yes . Andrews: Yes . That 's the intent . Koegler : The food service that we 've talked about is the P acka 9 ed kind of items but you certainly need the ability to clean counters and the spaces and things and wash a few things here and there . Andrews: Was the intent to have refrigeration there on a seasonal basis? Koegler : I would assume so . I mean I would assume you 're going to sell popsicles and things like that that will require that. rHoffman: Those will be additional . Coolers , freezers , we'll certainly want to take that into consideration in the design. What particular type of product? What particular type of refrigerator or freezer we 're going to buy for the food we're going to be serving and then make the space appropriate to be able to purchase those appliances and have them installed . Schroers: Will there be an ice maker? Hoffman: Again , that 's something yet to be decided. If you choose to, if 11 you think you 'd like an ice maker . Andrews: I just took a wild guess at what the square footage of that food service area is . Probably around 200 square feet maybe? That's a reasonable guess? We don't have room for everything we 'd like to have there . I 'm sure of that . You talk about ice maker and refrigerator , sink and food storage and pop storage and a cash register and room for somebody to stand, that 's about it . If that. Schroers: Ice is a very, very popular thing to have in food service during the summer . It also is space consuming and it tends to be kind of a high maintenance item too . 1 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 9 Hoffman: It depends on what your theory is on how you should serve your pop . Should you be selling it out of a refrigerated can or by the cup with II ice out of a pop dispenser . Lash: What did you have in mind? 1 Hoffman: I believe the previous meeting we talked about refrigerated cans . 11 Selling canned pop . Schroers: I favor that idea also . Lash: I would too . , Andrews: To have an adequate ice making system there would take up most the space you have . So I agree . Schroers: Is there going to, are the food items going to be stored in the food service area? Or do you plan on using some of the storage , the larger storage area for that? Hoffman: The bulk of it would be stored in the food storage area but II crates or boxes of your packaged items would then be stored in the storage shelf area within that storage room . As potentially would be canoe paddles , that type of thing . Koegler : Yeah . Storage right now is just identified as kind of a generalized thing . It is intended to include all of the typical maintenance products , the bulk items, life preservers or paddles or whatever you can 't conveniently have right next to a counter . Whatever else needs to go in there. So right now it 's kind of a catch all . Schroers: There may be the need for a partition or shelving area or 1 something like that to separate the food items from the other things . I don't know what the health code is as far as all the pre-packaged items but , I know they get pretty specific when you start to do any cooking. Koegler : Yeah . As we get a little further into this , we'll need a little better definition of what is to be sold. What type of products are anticipated and then can react accordingly to provide proper storage . Andrews: I 've got a radical idea here. Just kind of .came to me. The storage area , if you were to somewhat shrink that and use the access door as your first aid station and move the rental area all the way down to the edge of the building and then put your storage area inbetween the rental area and the food service area. That might create a useage flow that might II be a little more practical . Hoffman: It has potential . Just off the top of my head, one conflict there is that in times , weekday type of operation, I would foresee that there 's going to be one person manning both the food service and the rental and then the flow for them to be able to move from one to the other is impeded . It was pretty good until I thought of that. I/ Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 10 Lash: When we were talking about this other storage access door , I think that we still need to keep the one for the rental and food area if they 're going to be using that . • Koegler : Yeah . Lash: Okay . I just wanted to make sure you didn't think we wanted to take that out . Hoffman: And again, I don't think tonight is too early a time to start discussion about what items you would like to see served . If it is packaged food? What is it? Candy bars, potato chips? Lash: I guess I kind of just thought it would start out real small like pop and maybe some chips . Erhart: Stay away from things we would have to worry about a lot of health regulations on . Lash: Spoilage . Robinson: Would you operate this with city employees or would you contract . it out? ' Hoffman: Again , that 's always brought up in this type of an application. My intent at this time would be to operate it as a city employee type basis but it could be contracted out . I 'm not sure how attractive it's going to be for some food service vendor to come in here and contract at this particular location . We also want to have some control over that employee 's other duties within that park area . Informing the people who ' are using the reservation upstairs . Serving those people as well as they use that particular facility and helping out with other things on site . But it could go either way. It 's done both ways in the public sector . Lash: We could have some candy but I have visions of chocolate in the refrigerator . ' Andrews: It has to be durable, no refrigeration type stuff I think. Lash: Yeah , and the other thing , even though I think the popsicle and the frozen treat ideas is fun, I think you have to worry about power outages. If you have a power outage over there and the freezer 's out all night and everything melts. I don't know. Maybe those are just some things, headaches you want to deal with. Erhart: Maybe just keep it simple from the beginning and see how it goes . Lash: See what people request . If they come up and ask that do you: have hot dogs or do you have this? I don't think we 're ever going to get into that but just get a feel for what people would like to see there . ' Robinson: I 'd prefer to contract it out and let somebody else. 11 1 • Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 11 Andrews: The rental potential off of something this small , I don 't think II would be that great . Schroers: I think if you're going to get into a contract situation, it 1 would be someone that would want to get into hot dogs and hamburgers and that kind of thing and that would get to more of a production than we 're looking for there I believe . 1 Hoffman: Typically a person who would contract this would be looking for a revenue generating potential . Contracting , it goes from one extreme to the II other . You contract for vending machines or you contract for food service such as Hyland Hills where you have a vendor in there serving that type of food. Andrews: Not this year . Hoffman: Not this year? That was done by the Park? I Lash: Did you think of maybe just having vending machines or did they. . . ( There was a tape change at this point in the discussion. ) I Lash: Then you don't have to hire anybody . Andrews: . . .the rental operation also . If you have that in there . I think you still need a person there to watch the building , during the summer especially . I Erhart: I think it could get vandalized real easily. Lash: Yeah , that 's true . You had one at the hockey rink . And that was not good . , Hoffman: It had potential problems. I see that person really as a public II relations person as well . Relating with the public as they enter that . Using the building. There's a person there overseeing the bathrooms. During the middle of the day if we run out of paper towels, it 's not going II to be a full time maintenance person getting called. It's going to be the person on staff at this building doing that type of daily maintenance routine. Andrews: At Lake Phelan they have a park shelter where it 's chips and it 's II stable shelf items . They have a microwave that they'll do a hot dog for you but they don't have any big grill or hamburger . If you want a hot dog, II they take it out of the refrigerator and put it in the microwave and that 's it. So that 's very well received and it's a fairly small booth too so it should be similar in size to this. It's very satisfactory to somebody 11 coming in on a hot day to just get a cold pop and a bag of chips. That's all you need . Schroers: That 's what I prefer to see. A couple different selections of cold treats . Be it popsicles or ice cream sandwich or whatever and a couple of different varieties of chips. Possibly pretzels or bagged I t Park and Rec Commission Meeting IF April 9 , 1991 - Page 12 ' popcorn. Something of that variety . What I really would not want to see is the candies that come individually wrapped in smal pieces . You buy some of these little candied items that come in a wrapper and then inside the wrapper each piece is individually wrapped and you end up with these itty bitty pieces of paper all over everywhere . I think it would be nice to be able to sell something that has a wrapping on it that is of the size where somebody will say , well this is too big . I can 't just throw it on the ground . i need to go put it in the garbage can. Even gum . Gum has two wrappings on it plus it gets stuck on everything. I definitely wouldn 't recommend selling gum or little small candies . Just stay with the larger packaged items . Lash: Your maintenance background is really showing here. Schroers: You wouldn't believe what a hassle it is chasing little bitty pieces of paper around the park on a windy day . Erhart: That is a good point though Larry . Koubsky: I like the thought of ice cream or something sold. And I also like the thought of somebody there dispensing it . Not a vending machine . It seems more personal , and we can employ somebody too. That 's nice . Hoffman: As stated in the request , that came from the Commission in taking a look at what kind of dollars this can generate . Food service , it could generate some money depending on how it goes over and how popular it is but it is a public service . You 'll definitely have to meet costs or we 'll have to re-evaluate it somehow but then as well , the rental areas is a public service . It 's not going to make money either but it 's a recreational service for our residents and park users and then the upstairs , you know rental of the upstairs is where we 're going to bring the dollars in for this particular building . Lash: Maybe what we 'll want to do later on is evaluate the hours of operation . I would think most typical work day, weekday mornings . Things like that , there isn't going to be a high demand for any of those things such as staff it during . • Hoffman: 11 :00 to 6:00. Lash: Well evenings though. Hoffman: 11 :00 to 8:00? Lash: When there 's ball games going on, a lot of times kids will go down to the beach. I don't know. But then weekends all day. Robinson: I 'd think we'd at least recover our costs here wouldn't we? Hoffman: Yes . Koubsky: I guess one thing Mark that's on one of the plans too and not on the other is you do have a bench on one of them. I think for changing kids I 1 1 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 13 or whatever , maybe a couple of small benches . If you can put them in and II have enough space to move around in each of the bathrooms . They 're easy to put kids shoes on . Lash: That 's a good idea . Schroers: Well it looks like there is enough space in that handicapped bathroom . Koubsky: Put a bench in there . I Koegler : You 're thinking though , it doesn't even have to be on a stall . You 're thinking of a space just in the bathroom somewhere that you know is going to be dry that you can always put the kid up onto? , Koubsky: Right . Schroers: Along the storage wall or somewhere . , Hoffman: Or else one of the Kolar Bear changing tables? Koubsky: ' I don 't know if you want changing tables but that's another thing , it could actually be changing tables . Hoffman: Yeah , on that bench . Lash: So put it in the Men 's . , Koubsky: Put in both . Hoffman: We did we want to address , concerning phone service? Again, I thought about this . How many new lines we 're going to be generating and where they're going to be positioned? Is the lifeguard going to have a separate phone line? Is the phone going to be located upstairs? Downstairs? Those types of things. Lash: The lifeguards have a phone already by the beach don't they? Hoffman: Yeah, that phone line . Obviously since it's out in the open and unprotected , it has continual problems. The lines are cut annually including the phone within this enclosed building would be much more desireable . Erhart: I think from a safety standpoint they should definitely have their I own line and it should be something that is in working order . Andrews: I don't think you need to do that to be honest. I work In areas 11 which have much more traffic than this and you don't need a phone that often to be honest . I would think that all you need to do, if somebody at food service is on the phone, they're obviously going to get off immediatley if you have an emergency situation. I don't think you need to II do that . I 1 1 11 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 14 Hoffman: Currently the phone is connected , the phone at the entrance gate house and then the phone down at the beach is one line . So if somebody picks up a call at the gate house and they want to call 911 , obviously they just have to tell them to hang up and then they hang up . People at Minnetonka Community Services get very upset quickly if that phone is not in working condition . They do not feel comfortable working in this isolated of a location without an access to 911 . Andrews: I think we definitely need a service line to the building and perhaps a pay phone . At lesat one that can be reached and that doesn't necessarily have to be on the inside either . Pay phones can be .outside . 11: Lash: I guess what I felt is when you 're going to be having teenagers and younger people working in here and you have a telephone . There 's a potential for being on the phone when you 're supposed to be doing. Erhart: I do too and I was approaching it from a medical background . Lash: Yeah . No , I agree we have to have a phone but if it was a pay phone , you can dial 911 out of a pay phone without putting money into it . But I think the closer to the beach to have it , I mean I like the . location of where it is now . If there 'd be a way of fixing that because that 's any time you save getting to a phone is going to be fast . Andrews: Do the lifeguards have radios? Hoffman: No . They do get a radio when the phone isn't working . The Carver County Deputies radio so they can then radio the deputies directly . Schroers: I guess my suggestion on the telephones would be to have one phone inside the building basically for emergencies and employee and staff use and pay phone outside of the building for the general public. The phone inside the building I would locate not in the food or rental area where a young person is going to be all the time because you 're exactly 11 right . That 's when they're not busy, they're on the phone . Erhart: It makes it too easy for them. Schroers: So maybe putting the indoor phone in the entry area towards the storage or someplace where it's just not convenience for employees to be sitting , talking on the phone while they're supposed to be doing their job . Hoffman: Does it make sense at all so both the rental , food service and lifeguard , first aid people can reach the phone to put in a window inbetween that counter and the lifeguard station. First aid station and then the phone could then be in that space so you could access it from both sides and as well you could talk to a person in that other portion .of the building . Schroers: Sounds like a workable . Hoffman: Have a counter top deal where they can pass messages back and forth. If a person makes a comment which needs to get to the first aid I 11 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 15 person, they can jot that down and kind of have a desk operation inbetween , the two . Schroers: That 's a good idea . I Lash: But then we have the phone where. . . Schroers: Then the phone 's accessible to the lifeguards who are on break 11 or to food service employees who aren't too busy . Hoffman: Yeah , and it would police itself to a certain extent because a rental , food service employee is not going to feel that they have the exclusive use of that phone. If lifeguards are walking in and out and they constantly see this person on the phone , it's going to bug them as well . They 'll let somebody know. Schroers: And I would think from staff 's point of view , who's ever training and hiring these people would over emphasize the point that they 're not being paid to be spending time on the telephone. And to make a point to check in once in a while and if that is the situation, to reinforce it . , Hoffman: It 's necessary to do that already at the gate attendant . You call , whether you have a reason or not and it 's busy for 10 minutes , a drive to the park is well in order . Are there any other issues that you can foresee? Andrews: I have one more question. On the upper level , is that intended II to be , with outlets on the perimeter , for various uses? Koegler : Electrical outlets? Andrews: Yeah . Koegler : We had talked in generalities that you certainly wanted outlets II in the area where there was going to be some food storage . Not really storage but preparation, presentation, whatever . We had talked about the possibility of some outlets and then there were concerns raised about maintenance of those and locking of those and what 's your feel? Do you need outlets on the walls if there's outlets in the fireplace, the former fireplace area? What would you plug into those? I Lash: How big is that area there? That corner? It looks like it 's just two little counters where you can plug things in. Koegler : . . .9 to 10 feet . Andrews: Is there intended to be lighting up there or natural lighting ' only? Koegler : I would assume there would have to be some kind of lighting in addition to that . I Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 16 Andrews: I guess what I 'm driving at here is , Z 've had this reoccuring goal or idea that some sort of a boating program or sailing program might become something that the City .may want to do like what 's done at Lake Phelan in St . Paul is a very successful program. I guess I was thinking, would there be something in the future where you might want to, in one of the corners of the building here , have the ability maybe with some temporary folding walls and some lighting and some outlets to hold a class , like an evening sailing class in the upstairs and go down and use the lake? We have the outlets and we have the lighting and we have temporary walls can be added later when the budget allows . That's all you really need . You typically only spend maybe 15 or 20 minutes at most in your classroom and then you want to go down and use the water . So you don 't need a first rate expensive classroom to do that and if it 's raining , typically you icancel class anyway . Koegler : What do you plug in? Projectors or something? Andrews: Projectors is it . You usually have movies or tapes . Training tapes of how to do first aid or sailing or boating. 11 Lash: Couldn 't you plug them in over in this corner? Andrews: I was just thinking if you wanted to be in a corner where you could share that building space with other people that are using it at the same time . Hoffman: It 's a valid idea . Andrews: It 's not a big deal . Just put a couple of all weather outlets in there . Hoffman: Staff discussion as well , Don in particular asked the question. What other types of uses are going to take place up here? Is there .going to be classes held at any time? Organized activities a little more formal than just a neighborhood or family picnic? If that is indeed the case, then how are we going to accommodate those types of people? Andrews: The other question I had is , on the upper level with the entrances , are those entrances that are going to be secured in the winter or is this an open area , open to weather? 1 Koegler : It is , in all probability, an open area. It's got a fair over hang on it but that raises another issue . The one of security in general and I don 't know that that's been totally resolved. In conversations with Todd and Don , I think leaning towards don't react to a problem until it becomes a problem. If it becomes necessary to close those off, we've looked at kind of an iron grate type of doorway that could either swing or could slide along one of those parallel walls and close that opening off . It would have to lock open and lock close . We had looked at creating those as kind of a pocket door in the middle of that wall . The problem is then when the door is closed , you 've got a pocket that people throw all kinds of junk into . Cans and bottles and things and it 's very difficult to clean out so we 're recommend going with either one the mounts on the interior of I 11 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9, 1991 - Page 17 the wall and slides or is on a hinge and swings . That 's the only type of II door closure that 's been talked about so far for those openings . There 's not been like an overhead garage door or something that would secure those weather tight . There is really not anything in this upper level that could II be damaaged by a little bit of snow or something blowing in. It 's all concrete flooring and masonry . Schroers: In the off season when it's cold, this type of an area isn 't I much of an attractant because there 's not real way to stay warm there so even if kids are out horsing around, they don't tend to hand around long enough to do much damage . We have open shelters that aren 't protected that II have cabinets and things and the only problem that I encountered in an entire year was I found two kids running around up on the roof . They stacked up a couple of picnic tables and managed to run around on the roof II but they didn 't damage anything else . Lash: That reminds me of one question I had on your little shed roof thing 11 now . It would be impossible for someone to climb up onto that wouldn 't it? Koegler : It will be designed to discourage . I would never say the impossible but it certainly would have a slope on it that would be I something you 'd look and say , ooh. I don 't really want to do that because it 's too steep . Lash: I would say that . But would kids look at it the same way too? I Koegler': Well We talked about that and think it will be a deterrent to anybody doing that but you never know. Schroers: Real short and sweet on that , I definitely prefer the shed roof design over the planters. Koubsky: I do too but a concern I have with the shed roof is that 's going to be a very convenient place to put beverage bottles or cans and it might be real easy to knock those off and then you 've got a slide and basically things are going over anyway . I don't know if the catch or some sort of a guard in case something accidentally goes over , it doesn't end up on somebody down below . Lash: Maybe we could use electrical fence across there and barbwire. Hoffman: Simple design, just make that railing so it is at a point so it I can't accommodate . Koegler : Yeah, that's what I was going to point out. The section that's II on there is really not totally accurate because there is a railing that sits on top of that cap piece so it's not a ledge there like this where somebody would want to set a can because there will be a railing structure 11 there that won't let you do that. Schroers: Another thing I see about the upper level is that we are going 11 to accommodate groups of up to 50 but that doesn't necessarily mean they all have to be all in one group . What if there are two groups of 10 but I I Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9, 1991 - Page 18 ' they 're separate groups and they both want to do a little cooking or picnicing? I think it would be nice to have that split up into two places . Koegler : It 's all a function of dollars. Schroers: Maybe not as elaborate . I mean a fireplace thing , that looks like a nice arrangement but I think that it would be nice to have in one 11 other location up there at least some outlets so we could accommodate two smaller , separate groups at the same time . Hoffman: The concept that Jan discussed at the last meeting with a portable fold up shelf and then an outlet in each one of these opposite two corners? Something of that nature? Schroers: Yeah. Something like that that could accommodate . Lash: There again , if those aren 't expensive . I just don 't think you can ever have too many of those things . People are always going to use them . Schroers: And also it should be looked at or noted that things that people generally bring along to picnic , such as roasters and tliat sort of thing , tend to have a high current draw so we have to look at service breakers _ that are maybe 30 amp instead of 20 amp to keep from blowing the circuits . ' Koubsky: Mark in that chimney area , was that power and water access for those on each side? Koegler : No . The note there is indicating that they would be distributed power would be presumably on each side . Water presumably would be on one side at one location for some economy and the rest would be essentially counters . Those are some of the details that ultimately we'll be bringing back to you . How do you want this to look? How do you want this to work? We 're trying to get all the major pieces in now just from a cost standpoint . Koubsky: I also do like the , whatever that option's called. Lash: The shed roof? Koubsky: Yeah, the shed roof . Lash: I did too . Now you have the roll-up door thing and that would be secured? Koegler : Right . That whole area would be secured. Lash: Would that just be something that would be optional? A person would II , rent this , they could then get the key for that or would it automatically open? Hoffman: I would think it would be keyed and then we'd go with the rental and then we 'd provide the key to that door . I 1 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 19 Schroers: Basically the way this is , you 've got this laid out , is that all , the cooking is going to be done under the roofline . Koegler: We really haven't addressed, you know there was a lot of I discussion last time about grills and pulling them around on trucks or mounting them in a location outside or whatever . This really only addresses prepared food items that people bring in in roasters and crock pots and those kinds of things . Those are what these counters accommodate. I think it still needs to be determined what and how and where the bar-be-queing type activities would occur in relation to this building. Schroers: Okay . I guess my personal preference on that would be a poured concrete area doesn't have to be much larger than to accommodate a grill and a little cooking space outside of the roof line. My experience has been that everyone that comes out to picnic is not necessarily an expert on grilling and sometimes it looks like you've got a major fire going . They get really smokey and if it 's outside the roofline , at least the smoke can , escape and it won 't be trapped in there . And some of those fires get greasy and a smoke residue has grease in it and eventually that would tend to build up on the inner roof . Koubsky: With that too Larry , we might want to think about one by each exit or entrance just to facilitate two different groups. • Schroers: Yeah . I think that would be plenty . If there were two slab t areas outside of the roof line . One on each side of the building or -one on each side of the entrance . Whatever would fit most practically into the plan . Koegler : I should indicate that the next time you see this, you'll have more site information than you have right now. Right now we're just dealing with concepts to the building and there will be site information so we can definitively address these questions of stairways and grade and where the best place is to locate these pads and those kind of things . 1 Schroers: Okay. But are you seeking this kind of information? Koegler: Yes. As Todd said, we've been keeping a talley of all of the little items . The water spigots . The outlets and things that will come back into discussion later so any little thing that is a concern is certainly valid to bring to our attention at this time because we will note II them and bring them back into the subsequent plans. Lash: Would it seem like a logical thing to have the water spigots by the concrete slabs where the grills are? Schroers: Yeah . Lash: For fire control and clean up. Schroers: I don't want to speak for everyone here. If anyone thinks that II it's not a good idea , if they would rather see things kept underneath the roof or whatever just speak up. I r I Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 20 Lash: No . No . I think to encourage people to cook outside of this is the route to go . It just eliminates the maintenance as far as trying to keep . Schroers: And besides that , it frees up the inside . Gives you a larger area to show slides or what have you . Erhart: Mark , we haven 't reduced the cost at all have we? Koegler : In these kinds of efforts , it 's never easy to reduce the costs . We still feel comfortable that we're at the position we were at .a few weeks ago with Option 2 . Ultimately what it gets down to is what funding resources are available , and I think the City Manager last time addressed you and told you that there were various sources of money to be pulled together . If there are cuts that have to be made , obviously this group will be involved in that decision . Do we shrink some space . Do we remove this? Do we remove that? That kind of remains to be seen . Hoffman: I do feel that it is important at this time that the Commission , you have some understanding from Don's discussion. In our Capital Improvement Budget we budgeted $110 ,000 .00 for this project for CIP share . Obviously we are up and above that and the Mayor and the City Council are aware of that to a certain degree . That we talked about this particular goal item at last Saturday's goal session. I addressed basically the same type of , some of the discussion we had here this evening . What we need to expand upon is , is this building a firm desire of both the Park and Recreation Commission and the City Council . If it is , the funding is available . The Park Acquisition and Development fund reserve has accumulated over the years . We have not taken on a project of this magnitude or type since the Lake Susan Park shelter so it 's somewhere in the ballpark of $300 ,000.00 are sitting in the bank which , when I started the budget process last year , I was not in the best position to do that , or certainly accommodate it , but $110 ,000 .00 was the figure which was in there year after year so we just plugged it in. In future budgeting times , we 'll go ahead and have a better feel of what we're getting into prior to going into that . If we had it to do all over again, we could have had $210 ,000 .00 in our CIP for this budget or $190 ,000.00 or $200 ,000.00. We do not but the funding is available but I think it needs to be a clear message from the Commission. If you want to spend this kind of money on this building, that absolutely has to be spoken and sent up to the City Council level because they 're going to take a look at it . It is not general tax dollars. It is park acquisition and development fees. It was put there by park fee acquisition and it's there for the improvement and development of recreational facilities within our city . Do we want to spend the money on this particular one? Erhart: The only thing I 'd say is if we are going to do it, that I 'd like to see it done nicely . I would be willing to otherwise wait but if the money is available, we can get funding for it , let 's do a first rate. Robinson: I think it 's just another very legitimate upgrade of Lake Ann Park . .We 've added the fields a couple of years ago. That 's always been a real nice park and I think we 've just got to keep upgrading it , which we 've done. 1 I I Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9, 1991 - Page 21 Erhart: I don 't want to cut any corners or do it cheaply . , Lash: It does have the potential of being a revenue earner . Hoffman: Correct . A revenue generator . And there are many other benefits which, this is the granddad of the projects. It 's bringing in the water . It 's bringing in the electricity . It 's bringing in the phone. Other improvement projects to Lake Ann Park will garner from this particular project . At some time it's identified that irrigating the fields is desireable , the water is right there. When it is desireable to put bathrooms up at the softball field complex , the water is right there . The electricity is right there . So this project is paying for many improvements , portions of other improvements that will, take place in Lake Ann Park in the future as well . Andrews: Tell me about the building again? Just to get back to that . The door entrance from the rental area to the storage area I think should be wide as possible and something of very heavy steel and I guess the reason for that would be if we have to move refrigerators or other vending equipment into that storage area for the winter , to make it really secure . 11 I guess I would feel like the service windows would be an area that vandals could get through in the winter to steal equipment . If we were able to move it into the interior secure area with no outdoor windows with a strong steel door , we 've got an area where we can store things safely over the winter . Koegler : The form of those window openings is yet to be determined also . One of the things we 've envisioned is literally the steel pull down over head type of door closure on those too which would be relatively secure . Andrews: Those invite some pretty enthusiastic people sometimes to try to II get through those . Koegler : With a pry bar or something . I Andrews: Pry bars or sledge hammers . This is going to be a pretty remote building in the winter . Koegler : It is going to be one of those things that if somebody wants in bad enough , they're going to get in because once they get into the inside , then they're got cover to do whatever . We can look at that though. I Andrews: The other thing I wanted to get back to was, I do agree this will become a certerpiece to the park and I also agree that if we're going to do II this , let 's do it right or let's not do it . Schroers: I feel that this is in line with current trends. That's taking 11 place in the industry. We tend to keep upgrading the services and really catering to the wants of the user groups which I guess once the standards have been set , you don't want to come into your main park with something substandard. My personal preference would be a slab with a roof over it . That 's it . No water . No electricity. Keep the noise and racket down to a II minimum. Don 't turn it into a Valley Fair or Disneyland. Just let it be I/ I i 11 Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 22 kind of more natural and open but this is definitely in line with what 's happening in the industry and I have no reason to believe that we would see anything from Van Doren-Hazard-Stallings that wouldn't be up to standards . From past experience so I guess I 'm not worried about that . I''m concerned that we come up with a very convenient , workable floor plan so we have a good flow that can be efficiently operated and that we 've been given it 11 careful consideration as not to forget anything important and to make the best use of this space that we can so as to get the most for our dollar . Things are looking pretty good and I think it will get more fine tuned as additional concepts come to us . Koegler : We are , obviously trying to balance aesthetics with budget with material quality and other things . I can certainly assure you that within budget parameters , we will strive to give you the most aesthetically functional building we can because I certainly share your vision of what Lake Ann Park has been for the last 15 years and where it 's going in the future . I think a really high quality structure out there certainly fits with the rest of the park and the improvements you 've put in. So I can certainly assure you that that 's our intent . Andrews: I 've got one more thing . Just thought of it . Drinking fountains . Koegler : Yeah , we talked about those last time around . That 's another thing that 's on our laundry list . We had talked about having one on the upstairs level and one on the downstairs level . Andrews: That 's good . Good enough for me . It 's on the list . Schroers: Does anyone else have anything to add in regards to tonight 's mission? Koubsky: The only other small thing was on the sink . Like the urinal , I think you need things for kids . I think we also need a sink for kids too and if that means putting 3 in the men's, then I guess I 'd be for it and you could add a drinking fountain onto the sink. There will be a lot of little people . Schroers: Does staff anything they want to add? Hoffman: Not at this time , no. Just again to review. This will then go to City Council on April 22nd, the next City Council meeting. Park and Recreation Commission meeting is the following night so I will just include in your packet the report that went to Council that night so you are kept up to date on action on this particular item. Schroers: Okay. Well I guess if there 's nothing further , we can thank Mark for coming in again this evening andrwe can call for a motion tó adjourn. I I ■ I Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 9 , 1991 - Page 23 Robinson moved, Lash seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor I and the motion carried. The meeting was adjourned at 9:58 p.m . . Submitted by Todd Hoffman , Park and Recreation Coordinator Prepared by Nann Opheim I 11 11 I 1 i 11 1 1 I I 1 11 I/ 1 1 4 CITY OF CHANHASSEN I690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 I MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: April 5, 1991 11 SUBJ: Lake Ann Park Picnic/Recreation Shelter Upon conclusion of, the joint Park and Recreation Commission and Public Safety Commission meeting, we will reconvene in the City Hall Council Chambers fora discussion of the above mentioned improvement project. As you recall, the Commission made a variety of recommendations in relation to design and function elements of the shelter. Mark Koegler, Senior Planner at VanDoren Hazard Stallings, Inc. , has incorporated these recommendations into the set of new plans which are attached. The first attachments labeled with the Letter Y depict the initial "new" proposed scheme which was subsequently modified, changing the floor plan of the restrooms. The most current plans are labeled with the Letter Z. As Mr. Koegler eluded to in his memo, you will notice that two alternatives have been proposed as a means of mitigating potential conflicts resulting from persons dropping "things" over the railing which was in the initial proposal. Either the planter or the shed roof would accomplish this purpose. The Commission may wish to address the merits of both proposals. As you will recall Don Ashworth, City Manager, discussed in his address to the Commission on March 26, 1991, the funding sources for this improvement project are diverse but secure. The City has not participated in a park improvement project relative to a shelter building since the construction of the Lake Susan Park Shelter in 1982. Funds are accumulated in "reserve" to enable the city to accomplish desirable improvement projects of this magnitude. Commissioners may be aware the city applied for LAWCON/LCMR grant 11 assistance for this project in 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989. The message then became clear, with reassurance from the grant coordinators, that the shelter was not competitive in the LAWCON/LCMR program. (Note: Many other projects related to Lake 11 Ann have benefitted from this program, i.e. initial acquisition and boat access development. ) I 11 Lake Ann Picnic/Recreation Shelter April 5, 1991 Page 2 On Tuesday, I will be able to update the Commission as to the Council 's position concerning the project, as a Goals Session with staff and the Council is being held on Saturday, April 6th. The coordination of the design and construction of the Lake Ann Park Picnic/Recreation Shelter has tentatively been identified as a Park and Recreation Department goal. 11 I I I i 1 11 i I I 1 1 1 I/ 1 1 VanDoren Hazard Ili V Sta ngs,Inc. Architects • Engineers • Planners MEMORANDUM • TO: Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Mark Koegler "-- DATE: April 5, 1991 SUBJECT: Lake Ann Picnic Shelter As a follow-up to our last discussion on the Lake Ann Picnic Shelter, we have assembled a new plan that incorporates changes identified by the Commission. The plan at this point is still in the concept stage. As such, detailed items such as electrical outlet locations, water spigots and other small items have not been shown. The Commission's comments on the preferred locations of these types of items have been noted and will be included in subsequent, more detailed plans. • Major changes in the revised plan include removal of the fireplace and a revision of the lower level area. Although the fireplace has been removed, the stone chimney has been retained both as a functional and aesthetic design feature. The fire box has been replaced with a cooking counter area which includes a sink. The area is to be secured via a steel overhead door. During the previous discussion, comments were noted regarding the railing area on the upper level. Specifically, concern •was expressed that kids on the upper level might attempt to drop objects onto people below waiting in lines at the snack or rental windows. In order to reduce the likelihood of this occurring, either a planter or extended mansard-type railing could be used. The planter is shown on the plan sheet and the mansard concept is shown on the attached sheets. Removal of the fireplace reduced the total cost of the building. 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Archi tectsEngineerslplanners s4a, 1 ----- .,--- ” 3401 Van Buren Topeka, Kansas or i __— II :.r: . - f:- i • - . .-- FUN[), CAP TAL"PROJECTS- - - - -. - --- - --- J FUNCTION: 410 - PARK`/TRAILWAYS ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT 19911 BUDGET . • BUDGET ESTIMATED PROPOSED • ' RE VEND_ 1990_ 1990 _1991_ Ch4r9es tor WY„..?„ce 410 3303 Park Developmen Fees 150,000 107,000 110,000 410 3304 Trail Fees 50,000 50,_000 50,000 410 3399 TOTAL CHARGES FOR SERVICE 200,000 157,000 160.000 Int & Other Revenue 410 3801 Interest 35,000 53,000 53,000 410 3807 Donations 10 0.0.0_ 25,100 15 000 410 38ri() TOTAL INTEREST F. OTHER REVENUE , 68,000 �� 45,000 78,100 0 410 39(49 TOTAL REVENUE 245,000 235,100 223,000 Y : EY PLNL'ITUFE 3 . f'` rsonal Services ,�" 410 •iOi& Salaries & Wages, Regular 0 0 7,200 41,E 41;.;. Carl ribution s, Retirement o 0 900 410 ..:040. Cur r i Lut i one., Insurance 0 0 800 .r 410 40:7,0 Woe - ;+,E n: Compensation _O _ .0 350 • '410 40',': TOTAL PERSONAL SERVICES 0 0 9,250 Cc,rtractua) S:-rvice._ _ 410 43..00 Fees. Service ._10,000 -_15.000 _15,000 410 45 + TOTAL. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES 10,000 . 15,000 15,000 Capital Outlay 410 '4701 Land or Building Improvement 160,500 43,500 175,000 410 47,.. . Other Acquisition Costs 0 1,000 _ 0 ; 410 4;'?9 TOTAL CAPITAL OUTLAY 160,500 44,500 175,000 •• 41G 4r TOTAL EXPENDITURES 170,500 59,500 199,250 ' Pe,'r.nue over (under) Expenditures 74,500 175,600 28,750 ' Fund Balance Forward 421,750 618,400 639,000 ; t .. 1 i , Transfers In(out) bonds of 1989 - (45,000) (45,000) 0 Lake Susan Park Expansion 0 (110,000) 0 Lake Ann Shelter 0 0 (110,000) Less Required Reserve .1. Lake Susan Park 110,000 0 0 ; -.- Lake Ann Shelter 100,000 110,000 0 Herman Field 35,000 50,000 50,000 Lake Lucy Access 75,000 0 0 j Pheasant Hill Area Acquisition 100,000 0 0 -General Acquisition Fund 75,000 100,000 100,000 ' 1 11 Fund Reserve 100:000 _100 000 100,000 1 TOTAL RESERVE 595,000 360,000 250,000 i ; Total Resources over (under) Expenditure 56,250 279,000 307,750 ' ,: -80- • II .t 1 r FUND #410 - PARK/TRAILWAYS ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT i ; CAPITAL PROJECT FUND 1 : : _ 1991 BUDGET '-1 ( ' Gen&rai Comment . Park fees (charges established on new construction) are receipted j `' into this fund. All major park improvements become a budgeted expense of this fund (Note: To insure multi-year accountability for individual projects, a separate funs __ t .; j is typically established to account for the assets/liabilities of that project, i.e. Lake Ann Boat Access. In instances like the boat access, the City share of the pro- -; ject cost is "reserved" until final approvals are received. At time of receipt of tederal/state dollars, the.City share (budgeted amount ) is "transferred" to the ind_ 4 a , vidual protect fund. All of the revenues/ expenses associated with the project -4 ' thereb;• become easier to monitor - with final balances being "transferred" back to t , this tune' . As such, this fund represents the 'master Lund reflecting current and 1 ; future obliga ions for major park projects, as well as minor park improvements with . 1 our commur�ii' . 9 ..i Fx�Find�ia, 1990 is 1991 -- 4010 - Pei sonal Services • t'. t ` Park and Recreation Coordinator - 20% 9,040 c> 4300 - Fees, Service 15,000 15,000 •! 4701 - Lake Ann Park - Raft 10,600 - Trail Through Woods 4,000 . - Concession Improvements 6,000 - Player Benches 2,500 , L al:r_ Su:.-.4n Park - Play Equipment 10,000 10,000 .J != - Bleacher, Player Benches 2,500 Chanhassen Hills - General Development 10,000 A '' North Lotus Lake Park - Natural Windscreen 1.000 _ ; South Lotus Lake Park - General Impr. 1,000 , - Ballfield 1,000 ' ! - Play Equipment 10,000 Carver Beach - Landscaping 1,000 �; , - Play Equipment Upgrade 5,000 _, Carver Beach (Lotus Trail) - Genrl. Impr. 5,000 Bandimere Heights - Play Equipment Exp. 3,500 1 T - Sand Volleyball 500 f - Offstreet Parking • 500 fi ... Chanhassen Pond - Erosion Control - 3,000 City Center - Warming House 1,000 - Play Equipment 40,000 - Master Plan 2,000 I - General Development 25,000 t Chanhassen Tree Farm - Restocking 500 1,000 Eagle Scout Project 3;O00 : Miscellaneous, Tables, Grills, Benches 3,500 -_. f - Meadow Green Park - Bike Rack - 500 :z Rice Marsh Lake Park - Bleacher - - - 1,000 _. . Curry Farms Park -.:Beneral Development - -''".110,000 - 3 Lake Susan Hills West - Play Equipment 10,000 f ,:vi.: _ ,. :X;•,. - Gen'l Dev. .._ _. ,ft' - ... 10.,000 ' ' Pheasant Hill. Parkland - Master Plan 2,500 ;` 21,500 175,000 ,_ - • - t 1 . _79—