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DATE: March 21, 1990
SUBJ: Public Safety Commission Appointments -//l j L ,__..-
On Monday, March 19, 1990, we met with members of the City Council in a work
II shop setting. One of the items that we discussed as you may recall was the
appointments to the Public Safety Commission and the Police Study Committee.
There were some concerns expressed by the Council regarding the Police Study
Committee as it pertained to the Public Safety Commission.
II On March 2, 1990, we submitted to the City Council a proposal to not
go forward
with the Police Study Committee. Part of our proposal recommended that myself
1/ and Sheriff Al Wallin will do what-ever study is needed to provide short and
long term policing through the contract system for the City of Chanhassen. The
discussion revolved around the necessity of another committee adding another
Istep into the bureaucratic process.
The Police Study Committee as it related to the Public Safety Commission con-
cerned the professions of the sitting members of the Commission. The Council
II indicated their preference for a broad based representation on the Public Safety
Commission at least in terms of civilian employment. They thought it would be
inimical to the mission of the Public Safety Commission if too many members were
IIassociated with the law enforcement arena.
Because of these concerns, the following suggestions were discussed:
II1. Comprise the Public Safety Commission of members whose professions are
broad based and not centrally focused in one employment area, i.e. police.
2. Have Chanhassen Public Safety and the Carver County Sheriff's Department
-_, do a study of police needs within the present contract system. There
would then be no need for a separate Police Study Committee.
1 3. Reappoint Bill Bernhjelm to the Public Safety Commission and appoint
Dave DXmmmer to fill one of the two remaining vacant slots.
4. Look at other candidates whose profession is not in the law enforcement
arena to fill the remaining vacant slot in the Public Safety Commission.
I A consensus seemed to be reached regarding these four points and it was advised
to bring it back for a full Council consideration on Monday, March 26, 1990.
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Date Submitted in Co�musion
FROM: Jim Chaffee, Ptub l i c Safety Director
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IDATE: March 2, 1990 3 -/2-9 O
SUBJ: Police Study Committee
On February 26, 1990, we presented to tie City Council a reoomnendation to
II postpone establishing the Police Study ittee. At that time, I indicated
that I would provide the Council with All report on March 12, 1990 outlining the
the reasons for our reoammeidation.110 You may remember that on December 4, . 989, 'Public Safety presented a proposal to
the Council recommending the establ $lnent aka Police Study,Comnittee. At that
time the Council approved the -• - with ="1 = reservations and revisions.
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The idea for a Police Study ter,. ittee was born 4ter several meetings with the
Public Safety Commission - • <.iscussions with `'- Sheriff's Department and Mayor
Don Chmiel. You may renemTbbr that in early Janu , 1989, City Council asked
that Sheriff Al Wallin myself prepare a s • . .f the police needs for the
It City of Chanhassen.At "that time, it was thought 2,. -t a Police Study Committee
wot l d be appr ate-to -s ,,,J� myself in our attempts to
cone up with a pTa'Tor• = . ,' `A' �`a 5y .= tely, we were not able to get
II together to deYelopW151aim"MM iftWi iy -.•&.•: , '• -,.- ice Study
Committee to ail ,us
was discussed.
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ANALYSIS:
1 When this issue was discussed with - • is Safety Commission, they had
several concerns regarding the necess i ''or another ou mittee (see attached
111 Public Safety Commission minutes). I =°'ddition, when this issue was presented
to the City Council on December 4, 1989, the same concerns were brought up by
- the City Council. Although reluctant, the City Council did approve the concept
of a Police Study Committee with a revision adding two citizens at large to the
original concept of seven members.
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On February 26, 1990, we again presented the issue to the City Council with a
recommendation to not proceed with the Police Study Committee. This reoam en-
dation was based on several reasons after numerous discussions between this
office and yours.
First, our crime rate is down. Cur population is up and yet our crime rate
seems to be held in check. This is an ideal situation from a law enforcement
standpoint to be in. Although sane say we may be living on borrowed time and
that certainly the crime rate will catch up to our population, it is not the
case now, and in fact we can feel good that we have accomplished so much with
limited resources. As I stated at the Council meeting, the low crime rate level
in the City can be attributed to several factors. First, we would like to
think that our efforts in the area of Crime Prevention has paid off. Certainly
the effort the Sheriff's Department has contributed to law enforcement in the
community has had an effect. Finally, the addition of the State Patrol office
in the new wing has given us an added measure of police activity in the com-
munity.
As I also stated at the Council meeting, it appears that things are in very good
harmony between the three law enforcement agencies that are now actively working
the City of Chanhassen. The Public Safety Department, the Carver County
Sheriff's Department, and the Minnesota State Patrol all work together in a very
complimentary fashion. 'The idea of establishing a Police Study Committee in
itself would appear to be anathema to this harmonious relation.
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Y, prepared to, and does not anticipate, recommending
to the City Council the implementation or start up of a local police agency. At
this point it is not a politically viable nor cost effective alternative.
For these reasons, we think that it is premature to establish and implement a
Police Study Committee. For that matter I would agree with comments from mem-
bers of the Public Safety Commission and the City Council that when the time
comes to look at alternatives in a serious fashion, then the already established
Public Safety Commission is the best body to accomplish that.
' RECOMMENDATION:
It is my recommendation that we not establish a Police Study Committee at this ,
time. I will be working with Sheriff Al Wallin to determine patrol levels for
the City in 1991 through the Sheriff's contact.
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DATE: F ebeuaJt y Y 1 , 19 9 0
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. Plea 4e. be. adv.Lded that we. haws. .- - ed only two Q.ppLiteat.1-on6
_4 om Chanh a. 4en. ct ttzen•4 • •:lY� 4.4.4 deo4.4e to be appo•.nted
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, s :!s"-g . y.,,f • it .. my . .e-omm : • •n. that we:,4e .-,-•
., , need' don.-a.- Pot.Lca.-Study Co ;4� • -make- ,ecomm�af #he - •{:
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- C.Lty Cowuyit. on Maack 12, 194 T ;-'-• - ate.-evatruitLon=-waa paomptQ,d
by commento and con,ce. o . • - -ed membe+:.a:o4 the- CouncLL and .• .
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watt be peedanted t.o the. Co ) on. omre _ ..V:=- �,
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Manager's Comments: J.... -'s recommendat r..n was prepared after
several meetings bet -en he and I quest :=..ping the process which
we were embarking t • •n. ppecifically, is our belief that we
- have sufficient sources between existi � staff and the Public I
Safety Commis •4 ,o_ • . - . - • � ,v. .:..Y- -!. sioned by the
City Council. +t1^• b :e== . . = c uded: 1) the
study show:_•" i 'be comp ''d s,-t:„ _. .« ;- >_-F at the
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Sheriff's Depar 4 -nd 3) that the potentia -.,F-`:ge would not
. ' occur for at least two'''. ---.. ye- 1:: • t -. . - ' e objectives may •
have been to establish some-form '''•use line which would act
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as a triggering mechanism, i.e • ;. •ulation, number of employees,
etc. I find difficulty in bel.p, ng that a base line can be
established. Although •privatiation` is. no longer in the vogue
recognizing the number catastrophies, there still remain many
cities who contract (both privately and publicly) for garbage
collection, bus service, recreational services, etc. Bloomington
continues to efficiently operate its fire services through volun- i
teers. Size or number of employees probably will not be deter-
mining factors as to whether or not the contract system is
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Mr. Ken Potts
9431 Foxford Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Kcn,
We have received your application PP to the Police Study Committee
recently authorized by the City Council. As you may recall, the
II City Council did authorize two at-large citizens to be appointed
to the committee which would then consist of nine members
including myself, my Assistant Scott Harr, Sheriff Al Wallin, ,
II Chief Deputy Jim Castleberry, Pu tic Safety Commissioners Barb
Klick and Bill Bernhjelm and Ci ouncilmember Ursula Dimler.
Since ve have received only tvo replications from citizens to be
appointed to the Police Study Cho *tee, I would anticipate that
II your appointment by the City C '. nc •• vould be perfunctory.
I am anticipating submitting :e proposal to the City Council at
the February 26th Council me , &Ice the appointments are
made I would then anticipat our firs meeting to be held some-
time in the middle of Marc .; At this oint I 'am researching the
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II possibility of having mee �'ngs the sec ' d Thursday of each month
to coincide with the Public Safety Comm salon meeting.
Hopefully, this would less of a stray n concerning time committ-
• ments for all members 4It would be my `tress that ve would hold
our meetings at 6 T u
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the Public Safety.=Commission meeting co ncing at approximately
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please do nbt,�t�esitate to call if you have any questions or com-
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• in the County Board; contract disputes in the western portion of
the County; new lawsuits between Chaska and Carver County; or,
most logically, the perceived level of service/working rela-
tionship between the County and City. I use the word perceived
as fears by the community can also play an important role in the
decision-making process. Specifically, during the late 1970's
the City experienced a severe number of unsolved rapes. A number
of groups perceived this to be a problem with the Sheriff's
Department and that this crisis would cease if we had a local
police department. If a referendum would have occurred at that
time, it is likely that a local police department would be in
• effect today for the wrong reason. ,
This office would request that the City Council not establish a
Police Study Committee and that the study being sought be
assigned to staff to complete in conjunction with the Public Safety II
Commission during 1990.
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IMs. Kathy Schroeder •
7720 Frontier Trail
U ' Chanhassen, MN 55317
• Dear Kathy,
IWe have received your application to the Police Study Committee
recently authorized by the City Council. As you may recall,. the
City Council did authorize two at-large citizens to be appointed
II to the committee which would then consist of nine members
including myself, my Assistant Scott Harr, Sheriff Al Wallin,
Chief Deputy Jim Castleberry, Public Safety Commissioners Barb
II Klick and Bill Bernhjelm and Citi;Councilmember Ursula Disler.
Since we have received only tvo �applications from citizens to be
appointed to the Police Study Committee, I would anticipate that
your appointment by the City Coiincik would be perfunctory.
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I am anticipating submitting to proposal to the City Council at
It the February 26th Council meet ing. nce the appointments are
made I would then anticipat ebur firs meeting to be held some-
time in the middle of Marc At this
possibility of having meet 1gs the se eQndnThur'sdayeofaeach month
to coincide with the Public Safety Comrission meeting.
Hopefully, this would be•gess of a str concerning time committ-
ments for all members.,• It would be my guess that ve would hold
our meetings at 6 p.m. on the second Thuisday of each month with
the Public Safety Commission meeting commencing at approximately
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please do riot heai•tate to ãi11'11'ifoi "hive. arty 'Qnea'tsoils or com-
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Enclosed please find my application to serve on the Police
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IN PILING THIS APPLICATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT A COMMITMENT OF !Q TIME
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Councilman Johnson: They have to do it by volume. I know commercially you do
it by how many cans you pick up. If everybody puts out 2 cans, they write the
contract with the neighborhood that if you put out 2 cans, that's the most you E-1
can put out. You can't put out 3 or something.
■ Mayor Ordel: Wouldn't that be done strictly by volume anyway?
. Councilman Workman: Well but if I put out or my neighbor who's a single older
woman, puts out half a can and the people across the street have 5 kids and they
put out 5 cans and it's a group contract. What I'm getting at is, we're then
III' going to have to probably dissolve the contract and we're asking numerous
haulers to cane into the neighborhood where that isn't...
Councilman Johnson: We can renegotiate the contract but it has to be on a
volume basis.
Councilman Workman: It would then spell the end of,it, of the contract as it
would be.
Councilman Johnson: Unless you could carne up with sane creative ways to do it.
The State legislature has said it has to be by volume or weight.
Councilman Workman: No, I can't get creative. It's just something I wanted
clear because if that's the case, then that spells, we've always discussed in
I our discussions of our trash hauling that we've got a problem with a lot of
trash haulers caning into town and running all over every day of the week and
that's kind of what the State maybe is telling cities that that might have to
happen in certain neighborhoods. I'd move approval.
Councilman Johnson: Second.
Councilman Workman moved, Councilman Johnson seconded to approve the Ordinance
Amending Chapter 16 of the City Code regarding Collection of Recycleables, Final
Reading. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
APPOINTMENT OF A POLICE STUDY COMMITTEE.
Councilman Workman: Establishing police study
ng a po study committee. Number one, I guess
II there's some confusion as to whether or not 2 citizens fray the community at
large should be appointed to this or whether they should be from the public
'safety commission. Should we have 6 members or 7 members? my fundamental
concern about this committee is I'm wondering if in fact we're again not
I* establishing a police study committee too soon. my question being to the
Council, if in fact the police study finds out that we need in" fact a police
department of our own with our own City of Chanhassen police personnel, if in
fact that's found out, would we go ahead and do that? Could we afford to go
It ahead and do that? I think probably not and if in that case, or if we're
looking to do a study for long range, say 5 years or out, won't in fact we be
II doing exactly what's been done with the last police committee study in that it
really is worthless to us today. Or is it? And so, maybe I'm not so clear
about what the final product of the police committee is going to be because if
it's going to be a long range forecaster, or are we going to pick a date or a
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year when potentially we could be doing this and if in fact it is in 5-6-7 ill
years, wouldn't it be more appropriate if we think that even in a rough
sense? Wouldn't it rake more sense to do this study 2 to 3 years prior to?
Councilman Johnson: Since I started this last year and continued it this
what we asked for last year is for the Sheriff and our Public Safety Department
to get together and form a committee and I like it being expanded to include the
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public. Tb determine when is that time going to be? The studies I've seen so
far have been very inconclusive and are quite old. How can we do it to where we
have rdniraxn impact on the sheriff and minim
thinking, it's a gradual impact on the City. lb my way of - Ill
growth. If on December 31st of 1990 they said that's '
the end of the Sheriff's contract, we're going to have a police department
. January 1st. That'd be terrible for the Sheriff's Department. There would be a
lot of people unemployed all of a sudden because they couldn't
support those
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enployNees that work the city and it'd be very rough on the city. There has to
be some way for us to rake this transition at the proper time. In starting to
make that transition, we've already actually started by having Jim Chaffee and
Scott Harr and our CSO program. I'd like to see an orderly migration from the
contract to our own police department if that's what the study cu'mission finds
needs to be done and they need to determine when that needs to be started. If ' II
we wait 2 years and they say well it should have been started 2 years
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we have a problem. I think it's a good time to start looking at it. aIft eeben y
say we need to do it and start the transition in 5 years, then I agree with you.
That it would need to be, a group to look at it just prior to starting that
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transition because we have to collect that information.
Mawr C}tmiel: I guess what Pun is saying, are we spinning our wheels now before
it's really needed to start looking at it this mach in advance. I
Councilman Johnson: i don't think we have a 5 year plan'for public safety. We
have a 5 year plan for a lot of other things. Wb need a 5 year plan and a 10 II
year plan for public safety and it may not be a very exact plan like none of our
plans are very exact. fbst businesses change their 5 year plan yearly. That's
probably what this will be too. The growth, we might predict such and such a
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growth within the next 5 years and interest rates go back up to 16% and wp won't
see that growth. Then that delays the plan and everything else.
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Ommvilwa►en Dimler: Okay, I do have a question. - Isn't-that why we started the III
public Safety Qz mission originally? And now we're adding another committee. I
.think that was the original purpose of the Public Safety Cb missi
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- don't think they were specifically charged with
Ong up with a 5c plan...ilE il
Councilwoman Dimler: So in my estimation, are we just cmmeilng
committee or was this the original purpose of the Public Safety another Ctsmassion and
has it developed and taken on other responsibilities? Do you remember Don? 11
Con Ashworth: My recollection is that they were to prepare an annual report and
that report was to, that was originally started by Dick Wing and it was a study
of own police force versus continuing with the contract.
Oancilwonen Dimler: That's what I thought.
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III ,e Don Ashworth: I don't think that it really looked at a 5 year scale though but
yes, my recollection is that the conr.3 ttee, one of the reasons the committee was
put into being was to continue to sttacly the police issue.
ICouncilwanan Dimler: Okay, so do we really, need another committee or can we
just...them t w'do-what,we=origirially vtliaistioned*than to do?
ICouncilman Johnson: No, I think we rs •ed one where we have the Sheriff's
Department involved because this impac-ts the Sheriff's Department worse actually
Ili than it does the City.
III Councilwoman Dimler: Okay. That's fisne. Yeah, I agree with that.
III Councilman Johnson: So a subcommitte ■ of the public safety, which is what this
is turning into is to being really a smaabcannittee of the public safety committee
with 2 members of public safety camtt4ittee, the public safety department, the
I sheriff's department and then one at large and then one member of the Council so
we've got 2 public safety, 2 sheriff, .M public safety c mmissicn and then 1
member of the Council is what's being joroposed. That's 7 members. I think 7 is
always a good number versus 6. '
ICouncilwoman Dinler: I also had a vo►ric=ern about, it says here that we should
present something to the City Council by early summer of 1990. I'm wondering if
I that isn't a little bit ambitious but anyway, I guess my feeling is if we go
ahead and establish this committee, that we should have 9 members and that we
should add 2 members at large that have no leaning one way or the other but are
totally objective.
11 Councilman Johnson: I don't think you` L.11 find such a person.
1 Councilman Workman: And if we expand i t to 9, I'd certainly like to be a memmber
of the commission.
_ I Councilman Johnson: You're not at large.
Councilman Workman: I'n► getting larger= . The word that you used Jay was
transition. This is the word that this Council has been fighting with since
11 January. The transition of when and ham; and what we're going to do with our own
force. I think what Council has seen i.s there's been a transition going on that
II maybe Council doesn't think is appropriate at this stage and so I guess what
maybe you're saying by establishing thi a committee, you think we're so many
,years away from doing this and that sae seed to start making a transition now.
II Councilman Johnson: We need to do something orderly. Not necessarily, I'm
saying if we're going to make the transition, we need to have it orderly and
planned. Right now we seem to be makinmg a transition without a plan to follow.
ICo 'umcilan Workman: I'd agree with that.
Councilman Johnson: So let's make a plan and see if the transition is necessary
IIwould be the first step of this cammittame.
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mayor Qriiel: I think I was sort of one too that brought this
concerns as to one of the things you mentioned Jay was that t�� because of niv
Department that would be the one that would really be hurting Sheriff's
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else. i had discussion with that and I also discussed thiswithrCa, ss over v Klingelhutz and also with Al Wallin and they
a good idea to �,1e thought that that Probably would be -
road or idea
and it won't with some conclusions. Whether it be 5 years down the
and if I10 and became really effective, as far as I'm concerned
around here sitting out in the audience, it won't become until
effective until it really is cost effective as far as I'm concerned.the sheriff's department is doing a good •
satisfactory then don't job for us and we feel it's
as
department. I don t see the need for us to pursue our own police
deign back and But once gets that point, that's something that we have to '
wing Into consideration.
Councilman Workman: But that's what I'm saying.
about a transition from the sheriff's department. don't think, ried out talking
city just as much and I don't think wire �tr�ent. I mean I'm worried about our
Wp•re all sitting in on the anywhere near making that transition.
a 'redalll sitting from on budget together fpr crying out loud. Wass we have
a windfall
up an coming from so ewhere and we've talked about the transition of
this stuff. We re adding, adding, � employee here, adding a cop;, doing
maybe the way we
ought to do it.g• adding and he're not so sure that that's , i
Councilman Johnson: Let's do the study and find out.
Councilman Workman: ' I'm just saying Jay, are we too early
are, that's a pretty big waste of time. I think with the on this? And if we
direction, assistant, 2 members of the subonc safety
leaning one way right now anyway and I public commission, I'd say it's
to make sure everybody understood. some reservations and I wanted
Councilwoman Dimler: Is this study going to cost us anything? 1
Mawr O del: Time. t
Councilman Johnson: There will be some cost in time.
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Councilwoman Dimler:
Yeah, but I mean money wise?
IIIMayor Cbmiel: I don't know dollarwise.
Don Ashworth: I don't anticipate any.
IMayor Chaiel: I ouldn't see any.
Councilman Johnson: Unless they hire some kind of survey outside expert to do some kind of analysis of - or tome kind seof e an
In my discussions with Al on this last year wasothat needs but I this sea mot.
idea and he wanted to, you know it comes thought this was a good
� every year at police e contract time.
Councilman Workman: I just don't think, every police contract time, I don't
think we have any other options.
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ICouncilman Johnson: I think one time they had a recommendation that at 12,000
people I think it was, that we go to a police department. 12,000's not that fat [ I
off.
IMayor Qv&ie1: No.
III Cbuncil an Workman: That tells you the effectiveness of the committee sometimes
maybe.
Councilman Johnson: Yeah, but that was in like 1981 and this is 1989. The
I' world has changed. I think it's time to update some of these things. I'd like ,
to see the Public Safety Cbmmission have a 5 year plan just like anybody else.
I think this would be an essential part of it but there's other things. mat's
I a CSO program going to do over the next 5 years? The crime prevention program.
What's the Fire Department's 5 year plan? I think all these things. We have to
be looking more into the future.
IIICouncilwoman Dialer: Shouldn't they be drawing up their own 5 year plan though
rather than having a study commission?
III Councilman Johnson: This committee will help them in one of the most complex
parts of that 5 year plan. They have a lot more than just police to worry about
and I think it's important to have the sheriff's involvement. I agree with you,
III I think 2 members from the public would be good on this too. I'm backing your 9
people. It's getting a bit large but what the heck. What have they got in
Congress? 360 sane. I never can remember that number.
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I 'Mawr Ch<del: Okay, any other further discussion? If hearing none.
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Councilman Johnson: I move that we approve item 1(d), fonmatibn of the
Ica+mittee. Make the committee a 9 member committee with the assignments of
Sheriff Al Wallin, Chief Deputy Jim Castleberry, Asst. Public Safety Director,
Scott Harr, Public Safety Director, Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Ca missioners
iimembers Barb !Click and Bill Bernhjelm, CbuncilimeRber Ursula Dimler and 2 members
of the public at large to be advertised for and selected by the Oxmcil. Do we
want selected by the Council or the Public Safety CbMmission select them?
IMayor Chmiel: The Council has done it in the past. There's a motion on the
floor. Is there a second? It appears as though it's going to die for a second
Jay.
IICouncilman Johnson: Okay. Is it the 9 manbers or is it just the whole
otxamittee altogether? Ursula j
tog , you want the Public Safety Commission to do it. ,
ICouncilwoman Dialer: My personal feeling is it's too early. -
Cbuncilran Johnson: I think we've got to collect the data. Wa shouldn't go
from gut feelings. We're assigning somebody to get us the numbers, the figures,
to collect the data and make an informed decision, not a gut feeling. My gut
feeling is we're a little early too but maybe it's toy engineer training. I'd
II rather see the facts and figures before I make the final decision.
i 4,-06wncilwonan Dimler: But like I stated earlier, we have the Public Safety
IICommission in place and that was the original intent of it. Right now I think
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it's up to then to give us a yearly report. I just see a lot of conflict with
it. I
Councilman Johnson: They're in support of this.
Mayor Ctmiel: Yeah, they basically do support this portion of it.
Councilwoman Dialer: I see Dick Wing was not.
Mayor Cbmiel: Well that was a discussion at that particular meeting and I sat - Ill
in on it. The entirety, as I recall, were basically for it. This kind of
arrangement because it's involving two different segments of it. The City as
well as the County.
Ccxmcilman Johnson: If we didn't want the Public Safety Commission to do
anything else, they could actually just sit "there and work on this one issue the
rest of the year. But we definitely want some other input too.
Councilwoman Dimler: I'm just afraid that it's going to set a precedence for , III
moving into the transition too early. Especially it scares me that we're
supposed to have a report by summer of 1990 which is what, 6-7 months away. It
kind of sounds to me like we're rushing it.
Mayor Ctmiel: "Would you rather have it be 1991?,
Camcilwarart Dimler: It's a 5 year study. ,
Councilman Johnson: How about 6 month update reports as to what progress
they're making? I don't like to give somebody a year and a half to do III satething...preliminary report every 6 months as to what progress they're making
and'which way they're leaning so we have a feel instead of letting, here for the
next year and a half you guys go study this issue and come back to us with a
presentation. That scares me too. I was kind of reading in this 1990 report as 11
kind of, hopefully present. It wasn't something cast in concrete. Chisseled in
chalk maybe but not cast in concrete.
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Crxvcilwanan Dimler: But isn't this something that the Commission can already I
do?
Mayor Qmiel: The Commission has already gone through that process of looking ,
at those aspects. What it boils down to having another set, another group to
come in such as a sheriff's department.
O,u cilwotan Dialer: That's the only thing that I can see that there's no I
representation on the Public Safety Commission right now from the Sheriff's
Department. Perhaps that's all we need to do is add a member there.
Councilman Johnson: I think the other thing is, this group will be focused.
They will be singular in purpose. Some matters of the Public Safety Catmission
are there because they're concerned with the fire department and other things. II
The Public Safety Commission has to worry about dog catching, code enforcement,
building inspectors. They've got a huge agenda. This group will be focused to
look at one issue. Became fully educated on that one issue and cane and provide II
us guidance on that onb issue.
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Mayor Qr►iel: Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with this. Saying that
hopefully presenting to the City Council in the early summer of 1991 and then
III having, as Jay mentioned, preliminary reports every 6 months from that group.
Councilman Johnson: Progress reports.
I Mayor Qr►iel: I guess on something like that, that would be something that
would be ongoing. They could look at it every 6 months to see if it's going to
be cost effective or not. By getting that and including everything into that,
I . of course you have to have hospitalization and all those other things combined.
Councilwoman Dimler: So you're saying
going to cost us?
yin9 we could start the study of howimcx3i it's
IIIMayor Chuiel: Yes.
IIICouncilwoman Dirtier: And then came up with a report b' 1991? SZrnser of 1991?
Mayor Chsmiel: Right.
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III Councilwoman Dimler: That would be more pleasing to me, yes.
Councilman Johnson: Because one of the criteria the last Council put on this is
Iwhen is the time going to belwhen the Sheriff's cost is going to be more than
the cost for the City of Chanhassen to do it themselves. That's what we went to
io is maintain the cost to the citizens, the quality of public safety at the
III Ainimum.
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Mayor Chmiel: Tbm? ,
ICouncilman Workman: No comments.
Mawr Chmiel: Alright.
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ICouri]ian Johnson: We're doing a new motion here. Basically the same motion
but modified with hopefully present a ‘report to the City Council by the summer
II, of 1991 with 6 month progress reports to the Cancil.
Mayor O aiel: Is there a second? Okay, I'm going to move it to second it.
O u cilman Johnson moved, Mayor Ordel seconded to int a
appo police study 9
member committee with the assignments of Sheriff Al Wallin, Chief Deputy Jim - •
II II Castleberry, Asst. Public Safety Director, Scott Harr, Public Safety Director,
Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Commissioners markers Barb 1Q ick and Bill Bernhjelm,
Cbuncilmmsm►ber Ursula Dimler and 2 remmbers of the public at large to be
'? advertised for and selected by the Council. This committee will present a
report to the City Council by the summer of 1991 with 6 month progress reports.
All voted in favor except Councilman Workman who opposed and the motion carried
with a vote of 3 to 1.
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Harr: Yes, through the schools.
Klick: It was an excellent letter. It was very nice.
Wenzlaff: Yes, my daughter brought it home.
for bringing that up. g I'm sorry, yes. Thank you III
1- Jim we by-passed that hoping that tyouewoulddbeiback in�timecthat seem A.
discuss that so would you please kick that one off. we could
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• A. CONSIDER RECOMMENDATIONS TO ESTABLISH. A POLICE STUDY COMMITTEE. ,
Chaffee: I'll take credit for this idea because it's all mine. It's •
something that I've thought about for a long time. The various discussions
that have occurred both with this commission and with others outside the
commission. Sheriff Wallin and I were supposed ,
"` a study. It was suggested POSed to do something to develop
ggested that we do this back in January. We just
frankly haven't had the time. Other issues have cropped up. I j quite
'thought it might be better if we could get a committee together made up of I
myself, Sheriff Wallin, Scott Harr, Jim Castleberry, a member of the Public
Safety Commission and I think it was 2 citizens at large to sit down and
come up with a proposal to present to the City
for the City of Chanhassen. Council for police services ■
range where we can avoid any of the acontrovers1Athatrhasaoccurredtin� long
past. I think-CT it's done right and it's well thought out and it's the
presented in such a manner where it's feasible, I think it will certainly II
help. It's just a recommendation I 've ot.
Wallin. I think you're in agreement with itlAl? run this by Sheriff
Al Wallin: Yes.
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Chaffee: That it would just help us and we set som e
pow where we can come back to the City Council withwhatevercplanethatewe
III develop.
Al Wallin: �
.. .I don't know if you'd want to delay this a month. my II
understanding that Chief Young is doing some work that was promptedtby by a
mayor in his city to look at policing needs in Chanhassen. I guess it
probably behooves us to wait until he gets this done because he has called
me and said that it's just about completed. He does want to .meet w
111 and so forth and go over some things. with me
what I'm saying is, why reinvent the wheel. everything's ing' and I guess
look at it and I guess one month delay won't make muchdifferencee, we can
illwhat's going to happen with that. difference to see II
click: Who is Chief Young? ('
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Wenzlaff: Yeah, I was going to ask the same question.
IIIII Al Wallin: Chief Young from South Lake Minnetonka.
flick: He's conducting a study for Chanhassen?
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Wenzlaff: Would somebody like to explain this?
Klick: Where did that come from?
Chaffee: I talked to Chief Young today. Al, I don't know if you kneW
that. He has completed a preliminary draft of that report. I don't think
it's going to help us in this case. It certainly would help us as
-something as a resource.
Audience. I think they're asking why. ..
Venzlaff: Yeah, where'd this all come from? This is news.
Chaffee: It's a good question.
Boyt: Why don't we discuss this after the meeting.
Wing: Why would we do that Bill?
Wenzlaff: I think it's pertinent.
Boyt: I would refer you to the third paragraph of Jim's memo and suggest
that we don't need tO talk about this. If you personally want some
background, I'd_say that's an excellent idea but I think for the Public
Safety Commission, it's a mistake.
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Wenzlaff: I'm sorry. I'm missing. I don't know what we don't need
information on or what's a mistake. I'm missing something.
Wing: Let's back up Wayne. I don't know what we're talking about.
Wenzlaff: I don't either. I'm sorry.- •
Boyt: I don' t think South Lake's interest in Chanhassen is, and our police
- services, is a particularly good topic for the Public Safety Commission to
talk about. I think if you're interested in it as an individual, fine. I
think we're better off leaving these issues somewhere else. This is like
deciding that you want to go out for a Sunday walk through a landmine field
and I'm just encouazging you to not go on that walk. _
'Click: Are you talking about this or the South Lake?
Boyt: No. I'm talking about the South Lake study. I think this is fine
to talk about. „
1 Wenzlaff: I guess I don' t know anything about the South Lake study and
since it was brought up, could it be summarized in a sentence?
. Chaffee: I can.
I don't know where it came from. It came from Mayor
Haugan directed, as part of the South Lake committee
oversee that contract system, directed Chief Young to group of people who
' That's it. pose a study.
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IIIWenzlaff: With a view maybe that they could provide some services?
Chaffee: I would assume so.
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That's all I know where it came from.
IIIi AI Wallin: That's right
II .9 . I d have to side with Jim here. We don't know
what it's all about. That's the whole thing.
11 k Wenzlaff: That's all I need to know right now. I just was curious as to, III
we were getting a South Lake name brought up that had never been een me ntioned
Wing: So you don't want me to ask why would another mayor from
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city prompt their police chief to do a another
Is that right? I mean it's just sort of police study s rtrofnsittingahere, Ill
' Al, what are your feelings on this?
AI Wallin: I don't know. i don't know what' prompted it or anything. Like
II I said, Chief Young and I are going to meet very shortly here.
Wenzlaff: So apparently
Chief Young contacted you or contacted Jim or both II
of you and said, we'd like to talk to you about police services •to
Chanhassen? Is that it in a nutshell?
Al Wallin: I don't know if it's
Al W a study on police services in Chanhassen or just to II
I don't know wGbanhessen. In other words, are we
doing. I think that's whatptheimeetingowillsbevall .
about so I don't want you to get off on the wrong track here to think that 1
they're going to come in and do your policing or whatever it is. I don't II
know.
Wenzlaff: It would sound to me like, whatever that issue i
involves public safety s, if it ,
appropriate regardless, aWould�anvb�Jim is suggestincf here is certainly
disagree with that statement?
III !Click: This is excellent.
Bernhjelm: Jim, why did you rebommend 2 citizens at large rather than more
representation from the Commission? Was there a reason?
Chaffee: Well there is a reason.• I guess I had somebody in .rind. i was
thinking of Clark Horn to be honest with you and it's up to the Mayor I ,
I guess to appoint the 2 people at large. I mean it's a brainstorm I had and
I,don't• even know how we want to develop this but it's just a suggestion.
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Bernhjelm: g
r - 7 I was just wondering.
Wenzlaff: How do you feel Mr. Mayor about being asked to a
citizens? Are you comfortable with that? g PPoint those 2
1 Mayor Chmiel's answer couldn't be heard on the tape.
Hoyt: I think one of the things to think about is why
does
Safety Commission exist. I thought you were all citizensattlarP ifs
IIg e b myself
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and happened to be reasonably well informed about the issues. I've got
Illsome questions about the public safety, whatever it is, the traffic thing.
Whatever we're calling that group of people. They have a citizen at large.
That's a public safety issue. Why isn't that citizen somebody off this
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commission? I 'm not sure that it's a good idea or a bad idea but when i
see, I just think that's what the Public Safety Commission is. It's
citizens out there, and you've taken the time to become informed about this.
Klick: Let's start with how much time you think would be involved outside
of our regular commission meetings and how many people are interested.
Maybe we'd start with that.
Chaffee: My own opinion is that's going to take at least one meeting a
month, if we want to set a goal of next July of a presentation to the
Council. Certainly Sheriff Wallin and myself along with Scott and Jim
could do a lot of the legwork and during the meetings when we meet is
present you with the information and the alternatives. The data that you
would seek.
Klick: What does the Commission think? . ,
Wing: I support Jim's recommendation.
Wenzlaff: I tend to side with Bill. I think that adding a citizen in
there is a nice"touch probably from the' standpoint of the fact that all of
_ : us are more intimately involved. Some of us are members of public safety
and other areas, fire, police, whatever or have been in the past but I
think if that citizen were really interested in becoming involved with it,
it would be a citizen who might also be interested in becoming a member of
this commission. I would encourage them to seek that membership if they
.opportunity arises. I think it can be dealt with certainly the people
involved from the agencies are appropriate and 2 or 3 laembers from the
Public Safety Commission might be a better choice than bringing in another
citizen. At least we have the knowledge. All of us have been here, most
of a year or more and have the knowledge of some of the issues we deal
with. It's educational at least to have gone through the controversy that
some of us have gone through with issues. You know Sheriff's department
versus police department and I think we're all sensitized to the issue that
we get defocused from time to time but we're all interested in the public
safety needs of Chanhassen. By all I mean the Sheriffs department is Chan
public Safety and this group is and we probably would bring a better
- demeanor to the table having been embroiled in that controversy before and- •
approach it from a more professional viewpoint of yes, we know this has
been an issue before and we don't have to dredge up old things. We need to
look at where we go in the future. Everybody has at least agreed that
Chanhassen is going to need more public safety as time goes on. There's no
argument from any quarter on that. The only question is how that gets
provided and in what manner, if there's going to be a change over and what
manner that change over takes place. I agree with Bill, I think that's
better addressed by this group of citizens than by anybody else we could
bring in from the outside.
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IIIWing: I couldn't disagree more. I think that you hit it right on the head'!”
Wayne when you said we've been embroiled in controversy and that's taken
away some of the objectivity. I think one member from this commission, a
knowledgeable member of this commission. Someone familiar with what's
IIIoccurred. The history that's a professional in the field, whatever the
case is. I think we're talking pure facts. Pure objectivity and I think
that can best be handled by the group as presented by Mr. Chaffee and I 'll III call for a motion at this time that we simply go along with Mr. Chaffee's
recommendation for the committee make-up.
Chaffee: Mr. Chairman, may I make one point too. In fairness to Candy,
IIIshe did call me this evening and she indicated her support for my memo.
Again, this is just a suggestion. What I'm telling you is w
me. She also indicated that it would be her desire to havesomebodyy told
IItotally foreign to the police issue, that knew nothing about it. A totally III
objective citizen from the community who did not have any prior ba
and those were her thoughts to me before the meeting tonight. ckgzound
Wenzlaff: So would that not rule out Clark Horn? Oh, okay, •
have a motion on the floor. _ . I•m sorry. ,We
• Do we have a second?
IIII slick: Can we have more discussion on it or does there have to be a
second?
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ill Hoyt: Well the.Notion•dies for lack of a second so you're welcome to
discuss.
ISlick: I just want to restate my question again. For the amount of time, II
I think we can go round and round about what's best. I think that the
actual getting together of this committee is the most important thing and
Ithe members are kind of secondary, although that's an' important piece. How
many people here are interested in putting that much time forward? I'd be ii
interested in just seeing first of all if we have more than on
from Public Safety who'd be interested. • a person
NIWenzlaff: Would or could. U
Slick: Would. Who would make the commitment to come another day a month 11
11 starting December thru July?
Bernhjelm: I could probably do it with some flexibility. I'll be on night II
shift the next 6 months. I will have days essentially f '
_ some of the legwork also. free so I could 'do ,
Wing: It sounds like this is a far cry from the oti inal II
that there's so much professional staff involved in doing police study
and
then getting the findings. I dare say you could meet very often if you . lE
chose to.
11 Wenzlaff: Did I hear that you'd be interested or available?
IIWing: If there was a need, I'm always available. I'm not necessarily
volunteering.. ,
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Klick: Wouldn' t the commission be drawn in along the way as you see this
plan or would it just be these people that went about collecting data
and. . . Would the commission be privy to this along the way or not? Do you
see the plan just starting out there and ending up with a presentation to
us of your facts and findings?
Chaffee: I guess I haven't thought it that thoroughly thru yet but it can
be worked either way. I mean my intention was to have this. Get it done.
Present it like we would anything else, through the Public Safety
Commission and then to the City Council but certainly we can tell you how
we're doing as we go along. We're still going to be having our monthly
meetings and we can give you whatever we have. I'm not sure it would be
anything.
• Boyt: Well I would like to see it be made up of a subcommittee of members '
of the Public Safety Commission. And that as part of that there would be
periodic reports back to the Public Safety Commission for other commission-
input as to what's happening. If we have 2 people that have an interest,
I'd sure like to see those 2 people be on this.
Wenzlaff: Would you care to try that in the form of a motion?
Boyt: Well maybe there's interest in discussing it anyway. I would
recommend that'This committee be recommended to the Mayor and that it
consist of Sheriff Wallin, Jim Castleberry, Scott Harr and Jim Chaffee and
2 members of the Public Safety Commission.
Bernhjelm: I'll second that.
Klick: So no one outside? Just the 4 public safety 'officials and 2 people
_• from the commission. Is that it?
Boyt: Yeah. That's what I proposed. I think there would certainly be a
need and plenty of opportunity hopefully for public input into this as it
hits a stage where they've get something to have input about. What I would
see this group being is a group that is researching and creating a working
document so people could respond to it.
Wenzlaff: I agree. I see this as a professional group. and I .use the word
professional to mean people who have a knowledge of the situation and can
make informed decisions. I think having someone involved from the outside,•
unless they bring some professional value to this group, doesn't add
anything. Bringing an uninvolved citizen in because they are uninvolved
and have never been embroiled in the controversy, doesn't help us get a
plan done down the road as to how this is going to happen. I think the
people who are most able to put a plan together that's workable are the
people mentioned and the value of the people on the Public Safety
- Commission is that they are not involved in it. We're not involved in it
full time. We aren't the officers on the street. we aren't the people who
J: get our pay checks from the County or from the City and have to be
cognizant of those details. I think Bill I agree with your point. I think
it's exactly the right use of this group.
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Harr- I thn yure seeing Harc- It n this just to �zsome attempts by Jim and I was part of the II
come to the situation but frankly Ieagreeewithmyoua100%. Ikthin
finally
good comments. think they're
Wenzlaff: I think we've got the 4 professional people who are involved on ■
III a day to day basis who need to give the most direction you people, and I
would include Jim although he had to leave, Castleberry here.
ability from the computer and the data You most th
informed decisions and and the history to make the most ��
III where we have a disagreement nthat°isrOOirsyto see coming up in that is `
and have every reason to expect on a professional level.wiThat'sOwhd hope
members of the commission I think can be valuable. don't where the
pay checks from the City of Chanhassen nor one from the County wet can
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perhaps bring a different
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background in perspective to it. Everyone here has a
g public safety or involvement 'in the city in some method. 11
We've been involved in the medical side or the fire side or the police,
p sheriff side and I question whether any citizen without... Any further , II
discussion?
Wing: Jim, obviously I'm not o
III you to know that I think it's 8 Ve= to go anywhere with this. I just want
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• good recommendation and Scott I think, II
as far as myself is concerned, keeping the calm would never have been an
issue. I'm very accepting to what would occur .in the
ill have been involved or I would have trusted them to be people robtect objective
very honest and I think perform this duty t ti of and
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III could just because of our background and ourrinvolvement.thIncan'�to see sus
being as objective. That's my opinion. That's the end of my statement.
IIWenzlaff: Further discussion?
III ,Boyt moved, Wenzlaff seconded that the Public Safety II
that a Police Study Committee be recommended to the Mayor land°thatc recommend
it
consist of Sheriff Wallin, Jim Castleberry, Scott Harr and Jim Chaffee and
2 members of the Public Safety' Commission. All voted in favor except Dick
Wing who opposed and the motion carried.
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Wenzlaff: And unless anyone has anything else, I belieye that's the end of III
our agenda.
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!tilting: Before we close, I'm just curious where you're going to go with
these minutes. Bill you brought that up and it's old business. It was
III discussed a year and a half ago and a couple times we've mentioned the
Minutes and you mentioned it again tonight and I think they've been
unwieldy. They're difficult to read. City Council has commented on them • 1
being difficult to handle and looking at a couple other cities, it's not
uncommon to not do it that way. That they record the Minutes and there's a
tape available for anybody who cares to spend the time listening to it or L �
Iif there's an issue they wish to pull out but the general, the motions and
the status of the meeting is in a more concise, readable manner. What's
your intention Bill with these Minutes? '
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1 (612) 937-1900 • FAX(612) 937-5739
ITO: Public Safety Commission
FROM: Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Director
IISUBJ: Commission Applicant Interviews
DATE: February 2, 1990
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Please be advised that we have closed the application process
II for the vacant seats on the Public Safety Commission . I have
attached the six (6 ) applications that we have received. I
have scheduled the interview process to begin at 6 :00 p.m.
with 15 minutes allotted for the interview and 5 minutes for
Idiscussion afterwards.
This process will take us up to approximately 8 :00 p.m. and I
II would anticipate that a discussion will follow. I have not
included any other business on the agenda but please feel
free to bring any points of interest up after the interviews.
IIThe following is the applicant schedule:
Mike Kerber 6:00 p.m.
II Brian Beniek 6:20. p.m.
Richard Hamblin 6 :45 p.m.
Dave Rahe 7 : 00 p.m.
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David Dummer 7 :20 p.m.
Jack Talbot 7:40 p.m.
These times were scheduled in the order that the applications
were submitted to this office.
NOTE: The Council has directed that any commission member
U whose term is up and is seeking re-appointment should not be
involved in the interview process. Commissioner Bill
Bernjhelm consequently should plan on attending the meeting
at 8 :00 p.m. to abide by Councils direction.
I will not be involved in the interviews but I will be in the
office if any questions come up. I will distribute interview
'f questions (patterned from Park and Rec) on Thursday night. I
have included the ordinance for the Public Safety Commission
for your information.
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APPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
IPOSITION DESIRED PLL CZ SAftTt,/ Caµµ,-55,T ALTERNATE
NAME: (31tl C . ec,e„Jg (/ AA BIRTHDATE (OPTIONAL) /0- a4' SCI
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IIHOME PHONE 737409(.7.--y BUSINESS PHONE TZ.-"3Z5L
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DUTIES. IF EMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY RECENT, DISCUSS PREVIOUS EMPLOY-
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IIIIN FILING THIS APPLICATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT A COMMITMENT OF MY TIME,
ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE-
PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE
ABOVE COMMISSION.
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IAPPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
POSITION DESIRED Pea c SA fe-iiy ALTERNATE
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NAME: -DA �/� d E �u�,"2Lr
BIRTHDA?S (OPTIONAL)
ADDRESS 4/i ? ,5:.44 1,4 FL 7;24i G •
HOME PHONE 9.3 `- 7OF"� BUSINESS PHONE G 44 33 0_2.
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It . CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: (GIVE POSITION, EMPLOYER, AND BRIEF DISCUSSION OF
DUTIES. WELL)
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ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE- •
PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE
ABOVE COMMISSION.
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11 DATE January 3Q, 1990
APPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
POSITION DESIRED Public Safety Commission ALTERNATE
NAME: John Talbot BIRTHDATE (OPTIONAL)
ADDRESS 7490 Saratoga Drive. Chanhassen, MN 55317
IIi HOME PHONE 934-3933 BUSINESS PHONE 474-3261
HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN CHANHASSEN 1 year
IIHIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED, PLUS DEGREES, IF ANY AA Degree in
I . Law Enforcement
CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: (GIVE POSI?ION, EMPLOYER, AND BRIEF DISCUSSION OF
DUTIES. IF EMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY RECENT, DISCUSS PREVIOUS EMPLOY-
MENT AS WELL)
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Pnhl-c Safety T)PPartm?nt_ 'Fnr the past two years T sPrvvf1 as the Coordinator of the
Southwest Metro Drug Task Force. I have been a police officer in the State of
rn Minnesota for the past 16 years.
ACTIVITIES AND AFFILIATIONS: (INCLUDE ELECTIVE OFFICES AND HONORS OR
RECOGNITIONS RECEIVED, IF ANY) 1989 recipient of the Prosecutors Award of the
Carver County Attorney's Office. I was a 1987 nominee for the Police Officer of the
Year in the State of Minnesota. I have received various commendations and meritorious
S Service Awards from SLMPSD.
REASONS FOR SEEKING THIS POSITION AND SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS: I have
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III, always had a special interest in the Chanhassen area. I am a graduate of Chaska High
School and have always considered this area to be my hamP. I feel my law -enforcement
III .�.-rience •iv- n- ' , ' .. - • u -, = 4A 1 - .. • • - - in the
City of Chanhassen.
IN FILING THIS APPLICATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT A COMMITMENT OF MY TIME,
ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE-
PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE
ABOVE COMMISSION.
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IDATE 01 /25/90
APPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
POSITION DESIRED Public Safety ALTERNATE None
NAME: Brian Scott Beniek BIRTHDATE (OPTIONAL) 01 /17/63
II • ADDRESS 7605 Larado Box 374 Chanhassen , MN 55317
HOME PHONE 949-9452 BUSINESS PHONE 550-5000
HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN CHANHASSEN 25yrs
IIHIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED, PLUS DEGREES, IF ANY
' B. S. Criminal Justice , Intoxilizer Operator , Various police and fire classes
CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: (GIVE POSITION, EMPLOYER, AND BRIEF DISCUSSION OF
DUTIES. IF EMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY RECENT, DISCUSS PREVIOUS EMPLOY-
MENT AS WELL)
Police Officer with the City of Plymouth . Protection of life and
IIproperty , general partbl duties , handle emergency and crisis situations ,
Currently coor . of the Plymouth Police Reserves .
I also own and operate lawn and snow plowing service .
ACTIVITIES AND AFFILIATIONS: (INCLUDE ELECTIVE OFFICES AND HONORS OR
RECOGNITIONS RECEIVED, IF ANY) Lt . on the Chanhassen Fire Dept .
11 Member of MPPOA, Suburban Law Enforcement , Plumouth Police Assocition .
41 REASONS FOR SEEKING THIS POSITION AND SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS:
IFI would like to become more active in city policy making and have a
say in something I feel stongly about , Public Safety . I feel thatl - will
IIhelp Chan be a •better place to live. My experience and qualifications would
KETT—FC-71-67777157 and represtitive decisions based on need an not
IN FILING THIS APPLICATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT A COMMITMENT OF MY TIME,just '
I ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE— I feel
PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE import-
ABOVE COMMISSION. ant .
SIGNATURE:
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DATE Jan. 30, 90
APPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
POSITION DESIRED Public Safety ALTERNATE Park & Recreation
NAME: Dave Rahe BIRTHDATE (OPTIONAL) 5/5/57
II : ADDRESS 1021 Carver Beach Road, Chanhassen, MN 55317
HOME PHONE 474-0990 BUSINESS PHONE 942-7922
1 s HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN CHANHASSEN Five Years
HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED, PLUS DEGREES, IF ANY
CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: (GIVE POSITION, EMPLOYER, AND BRIEF DISCUSSION OF
DUTIES. IF EMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY RECENT, DISCUSS PREVIOUS EMPLOY-
- - MEET AS WELL)
IIElectrical Engineer Manager, Test Two, Inc. , Edina, MN: 9 years.
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ACTIVITIES AND AFFILIATIONS: (INCLUDE ELECTIVE OFFICES AND HONORS OR
RECOGNITIONS RECEIVED, IF ANY)
Member of Concerned Citizens for the Future of Chanhassen,
and Sunday school teacher. Previously coached for CAA.
REASONS FOR SEEKING THIS POSITION AND SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS:
I am concerned about the safety of the rnmmun;tv and 1a.n]ri 1 ik to
help in providing a healthier environment
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IN FILING THIS APPLICATION
I UNDERSTAND THAT A COMMITMENT OF !Q TIME,
ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE-
PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE
ABOVE COMMISSION.
SIGNATURE:
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IIAPPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
IIPOSITION DESIRED PUhl r C_.. ¶ n -Coy CUM. ALTERNATE PAl� I� $A'GC - �O/t/ ,
NAME: R 1L � / / _
µ��n 1�fli/'?t�Li/� BIRTHDATB (OPTIONAL) l,� 17-
IADDRESS .3Llr? Sj/J/) j; c /Rc E Ch(Aivli,455i;,Q j _A), 5-- --;/ 7
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RECOGNITIONS RECEIVED, IF ANY) `" , , Sr — A. - i , .
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ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE- •
II PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE
ABOVE COMMISSION.
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DATE JANUARY 13. 1990
11 APPLICATION FOR CHANHASSEN COMMISSION
POSITION DESIREDPJTRT.TC SAFETY ALTERNATE
11 NAME: MTCHAEL LEE KERBER BIRTHDATE (OPTIONAL)11 -20-52
ADDRESS 500 CHAN VIEW ST. BOX 128 CHANHASSEN, MN. 55317
IIHOME PHONE 934-2703 BUSINESS PHONE
HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN CHANHASSEN 30 YEARS
HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION ATTAINED, PLUS DEGREES, IF ANZ
• CHASKA NTf;H
SCHOOL, CDI DIPLOMA COMPUTER PROGRAMMING, PARAMEDIC DIPLOMA 916 VO_TECH
CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: (GIVE POSITION, EMPLOYER, AND BRIEF DISCUSSION OF
DUTIES. IF EMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY RECENT, DISCUSS PREVIOUS EMPLOY-
MENT AS WELL) '
OPTICIAN FOR VISION WORLD RETAIL SALES AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
FORMER PARAMEDIC FOR WACONIA ANBULANCE.
ACTIVITIES
AND AFFILIATIONS: (INCLUDE ELECTIVE OFFICES AND HONORS OR
RECOGNITIONS RECEIVED, IF ANY) STUDENT AT NORMANDALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
FIREFIGHTER 15 YEARS IN CHANHASSEN SAL CHARTER MEMBER SQUADRON 580
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REASONS FOR SEEKING THIS POSITION AND SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS: Tr) UTTT.T7E
II ' • MY EXPERIENCE WITH CARVER `COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WACONIA AMBULANCE
SERVICE, CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND CARVER COUNTY EMS COMMITTE TO
DETERMINE NEEDS AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF CHANHASSEN.
U IN FILING THIS APPLICATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT A COMMITMENT OF NY TIME, -
ENERGY, INTEREST, AND PARTICIPATION WILL BE INVOLVED, AND I AM PRE-
PARED TO MAKE SUCH A COMMITMENT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THE
ABOVE COMMISSION.
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