CC Packet 2007 11 13AGENDA
CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
CHANHASSEN MUNICIPAL BUILDING, 7700 MARKET BOULEVARD
5:30 P.M. - CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, FOUNTAIN CONFERENCE ROOM
Note: If the City Council does not complete the work session items in the time allotted, the
remaining items will be considered after the regular agenda.
A. Utility Rate Discussion, Ehlers & Associates.
B. 2008 Budget Presentations:
1) Fire Department
2) Administration
3) Public Works/Engineering Department
4) Finance Department
C. Lyman Boulevard Improvement Project No. 06-03: Update.
D. 2006-2007 Sanitary Sewer Rehabilitation Project Nos. 06-11 & PW254B: Update for
Infiltration/Inflow (I&I) Project.
7:00 P.M. – REGULAR MEETING, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER (Pledge of Allegiance)
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS
CONSENT AGENDA
All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered to be routine by the city council and
will be considered as one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items. If
discussion is desired, that item will be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered
separately. City council action is based on the staff recommendation for each item. Refer to the
council packet for each staff report.
1. a. Approval of Minutes:
- City Council Work Session Minutes dated October 22, 2007
- City Council Summary Minutes dated October 22, 2007
- City Council Verbatim Minutes dated October 22, 2007
- Planning Commission Summary Minutes dated October 16, 2007
- Planning Commission Verbatim Minutes dated October 16, 2007
- Park & Recreation Commission Summary Minutes dated October 23, 2007
- Park & Recreation Commission Verbatim Minutes dated October 23, 2007
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b. Item Deleted (Lotus Woods Project: Approve Final Plat, Plans & Specifications
and Development Contract.)
c. Lake Riley Woods Channel Stabilization Project, SWMP12-035B: Award
Contract.
d. Approval of Acquisition of Tax Forfeited Property on Powers Boulevard.
e. SCBA Equipment (Breathing Apparatus) for the Fire Department: Award of Bid.
f. Final Plat Approval, Life Time Fitness Second Addition.
g. Walnut Grove 2nd Addition: Accept Street & Utility Improvements.
h. Accept $1,000 Donation to the Fire Department from Spartan Chassis, Inc.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
1.5 Introduction of Jim Keeler, Carver County Attorney (verbal).
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2. Request for a Metes & Bounds Subdivision, 6444 Murray Hill Road, Gilbert & Jillene
Kreidberg.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
NEW BUSINESS - None
COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS
CORRESPONDENCE SECTION
ADJOURNMENT
A copy of the staff report and supporting documentation being sent to the city council will be
available after 2:00 p.m. on Thursday. Please contact city hall at 952-227-1100 to verify that
your item has not been deleted from the agenda any time after 2:00 p.m. on Thursday.
GUIDELINES FOR VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
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Welcome to the Chanhassen City Council Meeting. In the interest of open communications, the Chanhassen City
Council wishes to provide an opportunity for the public to address the City Council. That opportunity is provided at
every regular City Council meeting during Visitor Presentations.
1. Anyone indicating a desire to speak during Visitor Presentations will be acknowledged by the Mayor.
When called upon to speak, state your name, address, and topic. All remarks shall be addressed to the City
Council as a whole, not to any specific member(s) or to any person who is not a member of the City
Council.
2. If there are a number of individuals present to speak on the same topic, please designate a spokesperson
that can summarize the issue.
3. Limit your comments to five minutes. Additional time may be granted at the discretion of the Mayor. If
you have written comments, provide a copy to the Council.
4. During Visitor Presentations, the Council and staff listen to comments and will not engage in discussion.
Council members or the City Manager may ask questions of you in order to gain a thorough understanding
of your concern, suggestion or request.
5. Please be aware that disrespectful comments or comments of a personal nature, directed at an individual
either by name or inference, will not be allowed. Personnel concerns should be directed to the City
Manager.
Members of the City Council and some staff members may gather at Houlihan’s Restaurant & Bar, 530 Pond Promenade in Chanhassen
immediately after the meeting for a purely social event. All members of the public are welcome.
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CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL
WORK SESSION
OCTOBER 22, 2007
Mayor Furlong called the work session to order at 5:35 p.m..
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Furlong, Councilman Litsey, Councilwoman
Ernst, Councilwoman Tjornhom, and Councilman Peterson
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Gerhardt, Laurie Hokkanen, Kate Aanenson, Paul Oehme, Greg
Sticha and Todd Hoffman
CODE AMENDMENTS: CHAPTERS 1 AND 20-904 REGARDING "FREEDOM TO
BREATHE ACT".
Kate Aanenson provided an update on how the Freedom to Breathe Act will affect Chanhassen
businesses, especially restaurants, noting the intent of the code amendment is to address the issue
of restaurants constructing outdoor facilities to accommodate smokers. Councilwoman Ernst
asked how the ordinance would affect city functions such as the 4th of July celebration.
Councilman Peterson asked why the City should set out parameters instead of working on a case
by case basis when applications come in. Mayor Furlong asked for clarification of what
currently is in the code for accessory structures and the difference between a smoking patio and
smoking shelter. He stated he was trying to understand the problem that these ordinance
amendments were trying to solve. Councilwoman Ernst asked staff to explain why the city needs
further requirements when there's State regulations and liquor license laws. Kate Aanenson
stated she would check with legal counsel regarding the city adopting the state building code by
reference.
2008 BUDGET PRESENTATIONS:
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
Greg Sticha reviewed the three budget scenarios and highlighted what's changed since approval
of the preliminary levy. Councilman Litsey asked for clarification on how retirement figures
relate to new hire and budget numbers. Kate Aanenson presented a power point presentations
showing 2007-2008 expenditures, 5 year expenditure history, inspection expenditures, permit
revenue, the planning budget and the proposed 2008 budgets for the Planning Commission,
Senior Commission, Forestry and Recycling. The proposed 10% cuts would come from a
reduction in staff. Councilman Peterson asked with the slow down in the economy, if staff
foresees a shifting of staff's duties. Kate Aanenson explained that even though residential
applications are down, there is still applications coming in from commercial and industrial, along
with developments associated with the new Highway 212 and 2005 MUSA area. Todd Gerhardt
reiterated the need for staff to do big picture planning for the southern area of the city to plan for
future development.
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PARK AND RECREATION.
Todd Hoffman reviewed the departments that are covered under Park and Recreation:
Administration, Recreation Programming, Rec Center, Senior Center, and Park Maintenance. He
explained the overall budget for 2007-2008 expenditures, 2005-2008 expenditure history, 2008
revenues and 2005-2008 revenue history, along with outlining the proposed 2008 budgets for
each department. Mayor Furlong asked about ballfield lighting being on automatic timers.
Councilman Peterson asked how the Chanhassen Rec Center operations and budget compared to
other city rec centers. Todd Hoffman outlined the 10% proposed cuts in various programs and
services.
DISCUSSION REGARDING ALTERNATIVE WELL SITES.
Paul Oehme discussed the 4 sites that have been identified as possible well replacement sites,
noting staff's recommendation for Site #2 in the South Lotus Lake access area near the dock and
Site #4 in Chanhassen Estates Park, explaining the pros and cons for each site. Councilwoman
Ernst asked about neighborhood feedback. Todd Gerhardt explained that the goal is to construct
two new well sites and upgrade the Minnetonka Middle School West well site. Councilman
Peterson asked about the status of the aquifers with the current wet weather. Paul Oehme
explained that the two wells were still dry and he was not confident of their performance for next
summer. Todd Gerhardt explained that if the aquifers come back in the future, the city will still
have the permits and ability to use those wells that are currently non-operational. Mayor Furlong
asked about visual impacts of the new wells, why the two sites were chosen and possible
alternative sites if those two sites don't work out.
Mayor Furlong adjourned the work session at 7:05 p.m..
Submitted by Todd Gerhardt
City Manager
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
SUMMARY MINUTES
OCTOBER 22, 2007
Mayor Furlong called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m.. The meeting was opened with the
Pledge to the Flag.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Furlong, Councilman Litsey, Councilwoman
Ernst, Councilwoman Tjornhom, and Councilman Peterson
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Gerhardt, Roger Knutson, Laurie Hokkanen, Kate Aanenson, Paul
Oehme, and Todd Hoffman
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Mayor Furlong announced that the November 12th City Council meeting has been changed to
Tuesday, November 13th due to a conflict with Veteran's Day on Monday. He also extended an
invitation to everyone to join him at the upcoming Halloween Party on Saturday, October 27th
from 5:30 to 7:30 p.m..
CONSENT AGENDA: Councilman Litsey moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to
approve the following consent agenda items pursuant to the City Manager's
recommendation:
a. Approval of Minutes:
-City Council Work Session Minutes dated September 24, 2007
-City Council Verbatim & Summary Minutes dated September 24, 2007
Receive Commission Minutes:
-Planning Commission Verbatim & Summary Minutes dated October 2, 2007
-Park and Recreation Commission Verbatim & Summary Minutes dated September 25,
2007
b. TH 312 Project 03-09: Approve Signal Agreement Numbers Resolution #2007-60A:
87715M (Powers & Lyman Boulevards); Resolution #2007-60B: 87678M (TH 212 at
Powers Boulevard, North and South Ramps); Resolution #2007-60C: 87679M (TH 101
at Lyman Boulevard).
c. Lotus Woods Project:
1) Table Final Plat Approval with Variances.
2) Table Plans & Specifications and Development Contract.
d. Satellite Fire Station, Project 03-09-13: Approve Expenditure of Funds.
e. Future Well Improvements, Project Nos. 08-04 & 08-05: Approve Consultant Contract.
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f. Accept Donation from Community Bank Chanhassen for the Senior Center Holiday
Party.
g. Resolution #2007-61: Approve Certification of Delinquent Utility Accounts.
h. Resolution #2007-62: Approve Certification of Water and Sewer Hook-up Charges to
Hennepin County, Dell Road Medical Building.
i. Lake Riley Woods, SWMP12-035A: Approve Quote for Rain Gardens.
j. Accept Donation from Klein Bank Chanhassen for Senior Center 2008 Lifelong Learning
Program.
k. Approval of Elected Official's Travel.
l. Resolution #2007-63: TH 212 Project: Approve Letter of Support to Secure Funding
for Improvements.
m. Resolution #2007-64: Approve Certification of Delinquent Code Enforcement
Accounts.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None.
LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE. Sgt. Peter Anderley presented
the Sheriff's Office Area Report, Citation List and Community Service Office Report for the
month of September. He also reported on thefts from vehicles that have occurred in the city over
the last month and the sheriff department's participation in the Fire Department's Open House.
Chief Greg Geske showed a power point presentation on how members from the Chanhassen
Fire Department participated in the search effort with the 35W bridge collapse and presented
pins from the Hennepin County Sheriff's Department to the four dive team members who
participated in the search efforts.
PUBLIC HEARING:
VACATION FILE 07-05: CONSIDER VACATION OF DRAINAGE & UTILITY
EASEMENTS, LOTS 1 & 2, BLOCK 2, LAKE LUCY RIDGE, DENALI HOMES.
Public Present:
Name Address
David Bieker 1770 Lucy Ridge Court
Angell Galioto 1805 Emerald Lane
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Paul Oehme presented the staff report on this item. Mayor Furlong opened the public hearing.
No one spoke and the public hearing was closed.
Resolution #2007-65: Councilman Peterson moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded that
the City Council approve the vacation of drainage and utility easements for Lots 1 and 2,
Block 2, Lake Lucy Ridge contingent upon simultaneous recording of the lot combination.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
SCHERLE VARIANCE: APPEAL DECISION OF DENIAL FROM THE PLANNING
COMMISSION REQUEST FOR AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE TO A SIDE
YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT A GARAGE ADDITION, 8541 FLAMINGO
DRIVE, APPLICANT: DAVID & JULIE SCHERLE.
Public Present:
Name Address
David & Julie Scherle 8541 Flamingo Drive
Kate Aanenson presented the staff report and update from the Planning Commission. Mayor
Furlong asked for clarification on the impervious surface coverage. David Scherle discussed the
issues regarding runoff, precedence and the need to accommodate a new motorcycle.
Councilman Litsey suggested placing the shed and a door on the back side of the garage. After
comments and discussion by the council, the following motion was made.
Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilman Litsey seconded that the City Council
denies Planning Case 07-22 for a 7 foot, 3 inch side yard setback variance from the
required 10 foot side yard setback for the construction of a shed on Lot 4, Block 1, Lake
Susan Hills West 5th Addition, based on the Findings of Fact in the staff report. The City
Council further directs that:
1. The applicant must move the shed and comply with the Zoning Ordinance.
2. The applicant must re-vegetate all removed hard surface areas with grass seed or sod.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
DISCUSSION OF KURVERS POINT SPEED LIMITS. The applicant have withdrawn this
request for discussion. No action was taken.
COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS: None.
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS: Todd Gerhardt informed the council of the ribbon
cutting ceremony for the opening of Highway 312 on November 29th. There was confusion by
the council over that date. Laurie Hokkanen stated she would inform the council by email of the
correct date and time.
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CORRESPONDENCE DISCUSSION. None.
Councilman Peterson moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to adjourn the meeting. All
voted in favor and the motion carried. The City Council meeting was adjourned at 7:45
p.m..
Submitted by Todd Gerhardt
City Manager
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 22, 2007
Mayor Furlong called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m.. The meeting was opened with the
Pledge to the Flag.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Furlong, Councilman Litsey, Councilwoman
Ernst, Councilwoman Tjornhom, and Councilman Peterson
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Gerhardt, Roger Knutson, Laurie Hokkanen, Kate Aanenson, Paul
Oehme, and Todd Hoffman
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Mayor Furlong: Thank you and good evening and welcome to everybody here in the council
chambers and those joining us at home. We're glad that you've chosen to be with us this
evening. At this time I'd ask if there are any modifications or adjustments to the agenda. Does
anyone on the council wish to make any adjustments? Otherwise we'll proceed with the agenda
as distributed without objection. First item on our agenda is, we have a couple public
announcements. First of all just a clarification for our next meeting. Our regularly scheduled
meeting falls on November 12th. This is our next meeting. Second Monday of November is
November 12th which is a legal holiday for Veteran's Day. Therefore our City Council meeting
will be rescheduled to the next day, Tuesday evening, November 13th at 7:00 p.m.. Also I'd like
to extend an invitation to everyone to join us at the upcoming Halloween Party. This is the
fourth in a series of special events that the City of Chanhassen, local businesses and others
sponsor throughout the year. The Halloween party will be held on Saturday, October 27th. I'd
like to invite all residents, families to come and join me and others at the Chanhassen Rec Center
that evening. Children ages 2 through 10 are invited to participate. The event begins at 5:30 and
runs to 7:30. Activities include children's entertainment, trick or treating, hayrides, children's
games, haunted areas, refreshments. Pre-registration is required by Friday, October 26th at City
Hall or the Rec Center. There's a $4 fee. This is a fun event. The children have a good time.
Great opportunity for families and parents and grandparents to bring children and grandchildren
so looking forward to seeing people there.
CONSENT AGENDA: Councilman Litsey moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to
approve the following consent agenda items pursuant to the City Manager's
recommendation:
a. Approval of Minutes:
-City Council Work Session Minutes dated September 24, 2007
-City Council Verbatim & Summary Minutes dated September 24, 2007
Receive Commission Minutes:
-Planning Commission Verbatim & Summary Minutes dated October 2, 2007
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-Park and Recreation Commission Verbatim & Summary Minutes dated September 25,
2007
b. TH 312 Project 03-09: Approve Signal Agreement Numbers Resolution #2007-60A:
87715M (Powers & Lyman Boulevards); Resolution #2007-60B: 87678M (TH 212 at
Powers Boulevard, North and South Ramps); Resolution #2007-60C: 87679M (TH 101
at Lyman Boulevard).
c. Lotus Woods Project:
1) Table Final Plat Approval with Variances.
2) Table Plans & Specifications and Development Contract.
d. Satellite Fire Station, Project 03-09-13: Approve Expenditure of Funds.
e. Future Well Improvements, Project Nos. 08-04 & 08-05: Approve Consultant Contract.
f. Accept Donation from Community Bank Chanhassen for the Senior Center Holiday
Party.
g. Resolution #2007-61: Approve Certification of Delinquent Utility Accounts.
h. Resolution #2007-62: Approve Certification of Water and Sewer Hook-up Charges to
Hennepin County, Dell Road Medical Building.
i. Lake Riley Woods, SWMP12-035A: Approve Quote for Rain Gardens.
j. Accept Donation from Klein Bank Chanhassen for Senior Center 2008 Lifelong Learning
Program.
k. Approval of Elected Official's Travel.
l. Resolution #2007-63: TH 212 Project: Approve Letter of Support to Secure Funding
for Improvements.
m. Resolution #2007-64: Approve Certification of Delinquent Code Enforcement
Accounts.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None.
LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE.
Mayor Furlong: Good evening Sergeant.
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Sgt. Peter Anderley: Good evening Mayor and council. You've got the numbers and things for
the calls for the last month of September. If there's any questions I'd be happy to answer those.
A couple things I do want to touch on is, we've experienced some thefts from vehicles in the last
few weeks. The thefts have occurred in overnight hours. Beth Hoiseth from Crime Prevention
has put out a couple of updates as far as safety reminders and some information for the citizens.
I just want to again remind everybody, these thefts are occurring with people leaving property in
their vehicle overnight. They're going through vehicles, finding the opportunity, the laptop, the
purse or whatever's left in the vehicles overnight. Breaking in and taking the valuables. We also
had a couple of attempted residential and also 2 residential burglaries that occurred through
unlocked patio doors to enter into homes where the suspect went in there and stole items in plain
view and were able to get away with some purses and some wallets. Both of those investigations
continue on those and we've got some things in the works on that. The other thing, we
participated in the Fire Department's Open House. We had members of our Sheriff's Emergency
Response Team that put out a display, and also the sheriff's Explorers were there and put on a
display for the citizens that Sunday. One other thing, Halloween's coming up real soon. A
couple of things for the trick or treaters. You know make sure that they're traveling in groups.
Wear some light colored clothing, reflective clothing so they can be seen out there. Want
everybody to have a good time. I know the Mayor's already invited everybody to the Halloween
Party at the Rec Center. I encourage all the kids to go and have a good time. It's usually a pretty
good event so. And that's what I've brought.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for the Sergeant? Very good, thank you. Chief
Geske is here with the Fire Department. Good evening Chief.
Chief Greg Geske: Good evening. I'll abbreviate my update. It's normally short but I'll make it
even more tonight. We did have a great open house. Was lucky enough to be dry during that
day and the fire department did a great job putting on a great day for us so appreciate that. But I
want to take tonight, I know a couple months ago I was asked by the council how we participated
in the 35W bridge collapse and I have a power point presentation that I'd like to show quickly
tonight of some of the involvement. We are involved with the Carver County Dive Team, in
which the 4 members that I have with me tonight of the dive team, participated in the dive after
the collapse searching some of the vehicles that were in the river and I'll go through the
presentation and then we do have some recognition that we'd like to give these guys from the
Minneapolis Police Department. There was a pin that was made up and Sergeant Anderley had
one. The people that were involved, law enforcement, fire rescue, first responders all received
this pin and we'd like to present that to them tonight as a public recognition of their work so.
Just going to go through, there's a few slides here of some of the work that was being done in the
collapse. Carver County was asked to assist the scene with the sheriff's department. Some of the
scene control. It shows the time through that and then moving in here a little bit further. This
puts it in licensed staff, reserve unit posse and then the dive team which the fire department
personnel was involved with. Our dive team actually worked, was I think the Monday, I forget
the date but they put in 14 hours?
Fire Fighter: Sunday.
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Chief Greg Geske: On Sunday we were there. Scheduled originally Sunday and Monday but
finished up the work that we had there on that Sunday. Worked in different shifts. Just showing
some of the pictures up closer here if we can kind of recall some of the stuff we saw in the news
there. We were requested, it says by Hennepin County to dive at the 35W collapse site on
Sunday, August 5th and I think we showed up about 7:00 in the morning there and where there
until about 7:00 that night so you see some of our dive members there at that point. Carver
County Dive Team composed of county employees, volunteers and area fire fighters that we
have. Dive Team spent 14 hours, I'm sorry. 14 hours at the dive site. During operation Carver
County divers encountered heavy debris and was very limited visibility but they were able to
check quite a few cars that we had set up. They previously identified them with the sonar and
the divers went down to check out, check through the vehicles. That's kind of the total hours that
were given to the effort. And again 9 vehicles were utilized for a total of 127 hours. Some of
the guys in the sheriff's department also… Some of the other stuff goes on further but I guess at
this point I'd like to bring our fire fighters up, our divers that were there and the Mayor's got a
presentation for them.
Mayor Furlong: I guess, I'll just read this first and then say a couple words. Minneapolis Police
Chief Tim Dolan would like to recognize the bravery and dedication of police officers, fire
fighters, emergency medical workers, indeed every first responder involved in the 35W bridge
disaster. This uniform bar is a tangible symbol of the tireless rescue and recovery efforts on the
scene of the collapse showing a fundamental commitment of every first responder to protect and
serve our community. The design of the bar reflects elements of the tragic collapse of the bridge
and the values upon which our work was founded. A remembrance of the bridge collapse are the
golden bridge spans in the date 8-1-07. The waters of the Mississippi River. The site of the
rescue and recovery operations are represented by the blue background. The color blue is also
known to symbolize first perseverance and diligence. Here the blue background recognizes both
the determined effort of the first responders to rescue survivors and recover the loved ones lost
beneath the waters and to pursue safety, peace and justice for those who serve everyday. The
Minneapolis Police Department is grateful, honored and humbled to have stood with first
responders from around the state of Minnesota, from our…it is our hope that this bar will be
proudly worn by all those who supported this endeavor. On behalf of the City of Chanhassen too
I guess I'd like to say thank you for your service and for others that were involved from the fire
department, sheriff's department, everybody that, from Carver County, from Chanhassen in
particular that was down there helping. Having talked to Mayor R.T. Ryback and others, he was
very pleased with the response and the cooperation he received from everybody and it was nice
to know that we were right there as well so thank you very much for all your service and for
being involved here.
Chief Greg Geske: Of course I don't think you have any more questions for me tonight. That's
part of the reason I brought these guys along, I didn't have to talk much so.
Mayor Furlong: Works well.
PUBLIC HEARING:
VACATION FILE 07-05: CONSIDER VACATION OF DRAINAGE & UTILITY
EASEMENTS, LOTS 1 & 2, BLOCK 2, LAKE LUCY RIDGE, DENALI HOMES.
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Public Present:
Name Address
David Bieker 1770 Lucy Ridge Court
Angell Galioto 1805 Emerald Lane
Paul Oehme: Thank you Mayor, City Council members. Denali Homes has requested that Lots
1 and 2, Block 2 of Lake Lucy Ridge be combined to accommodate a proposed house, driveway
and pool. In order to process the lot combination, a 5 foot wide drainage utility easement along
the common property line of Lot 1 and 2 must be vacated. The subject properties are shown
here. This is the plat for Lake Lucy Ridge. And again the properties are just south of Lake Lucy
Road, east of Galpin, just for the general information area. The lots are located and the
easements in question proposed to be vacated are again, are along the property lines between
Lots 1 and 2. Gopher State One has been called and, to show that there's no existing public or
private utilities within the vacated area. Proposed vacated area. Staff recommends that the
approval of the vacation at this time and I stand for questions and request that a public hearing be
opened.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any questions for staff? Seeing none, let's proceed with the public
hearing and invite any interested parties to come forward to the podium that wish to comment on
this item. Please state your name and address for the record. Seeing nobody, last call. Seeing
no one then we'll close the public hearing without objection and bring it back to council for any
thoughts or comments. Seems fairly straight forward given the conditions included in the staff's
recommendation. Any comments or discussion?
Councilman Peterson: Motion to approve.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Is there a second?
Councilwoman Ernst: Second.
Mayor Furlong: Made and seconded. Any discussion on the motion?
Resolution #2007-65: Councilman Peterson moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded that
the City Council approve the vacation of drainage and utility easements for Lots 1 and 2,
Block 2, Lake Lucy Ridge contingent upon simultaneous recording of the lot combination.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
SCHERLE VARIANCE: APPEAL DECISION OF DENIAL FROM THE PLANNING
COMMISSION REQUEST FOR AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE TO A SIDE
YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT A GARAGE ADDITION, 8541 FLAMINGO
DRIVE, APPLICANT: DAVID & JULIE SCHERLE.
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Public Present:
Name Address
David & Julie Scherle 8541 Flamingo Drive
Kate Aanenson: Thank you Mayor, members of the council. As you indicated this is in Lake
Susan Subdivision. Powers Boulevard is just on the side of the map. This is the subject
property. 8554. The applicant was noted as putting up a garage without a permit and as noted it
was in the side yard setback. The subject lot, it meets the 10 foot minimum right now. With the
accessory garage it encroaches into the side yard setback. We passed an ordinance amendment a
number of years ago where we had a variance for someone who had to put eaves on and how
they got the variance. We don't normally count the eaves except when there is a variance
because it even further encroaches. So with the eaves that added up on the variance. The
Planning Commission did hold a public hearing on this item on October 2nd and they voted on it
actually 3 to 1 to deny the variance. There was a lot of discussion on the use of the property and
how it would be best served. This is the garage side, so this is where the applicant who has a
new motorcycle wants to be able to put that into this enclosed, covered structure. Some of the
material had been removed to improve the impervious requirements and the setback itself. The
structure doesn't have footings. It appeared to be some mobility to it. I did note from all the
discussion on the Planning Commission about the flexibility and maybe it could be moved to
meet the requirement. As noted in the staff report the Planning Commission did ask the staff to
try to work with the applicant and he chose to just pursue continuation of the request, as he has a
right to appeal their findings. So looking at the options that the staff we kind of considered what
the Planning Commission from the back side. A storage structure has been removed if there was
a possibility of moving that structure to the back side of the building. Again because it's under
120 square feet, it doesn't need a building code permit. Although it is attached to the structure, it
doesn't have footings, it seemed like it would be somewhat easy to move from the structure
itself. For that reason the staff is recommending denial and again with the 3 to 1 vote, the
Planning Commission concurred with that. The Findings of Fact are in the staff report and then
the staff is recommending the denial of the variance. So with that if you have any questions I'd
be happy to answer them.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Questions for staff at this time? One of the items mentioned in the
initial report I believe it was that there was concern also about impervious surface coverage.
Kate Aanenson: Correct.
Mayor Furlong: But that that was satisfied or the changes were made to it?
Kate Aanenson: Yeah. The applicant has removed quite a bit of material including some of the
patio in the back and some of the driveway on the front of the house has been removed to meet
that.
Mayor Furlong: Okay, so that has, these pictures were taken before that.
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Kate Aanenson: Correct. Yeah, because I believe that was the modifications to the roof itself as
far as the metal roof. That seemed to a concern for the staff too, especially for some of the
neighbors that may have aesthetic…to that. Typically a structure like that may be found more in
the rear of the principle structure.
Mayor Furlong: If the structure is moved, is there sufficient impervious surface coverage with
what's, right now it's sitting on sideway so if it's moved off the sidewalk to another location, do
they have sufficient space for impervious surface to be able to do that without removing other, or
would they have to remove more hard surface coverage?
Kate Aanenson: We do have a chart of what's been removed. I believe they're in compliance
now. They moved it back. Some of the patio on the back was, I think what we had
recommended, it's hard to look at it this way. This, in order to meet the hard cover to put it on
the back, this would have to be narrowed up again and there's still the encroachment into the
easement. We did check with Gopher One. There is no utilities in that easement but to meet the
impervious this would have to be reduced down to the current pavement just would move to the
back side.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Mrs. Tjornhom.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: The last time we had someone here for a variance was a couple
weeks ago or, I think Bob was dealing with it. They didn't count the retaining walls.
Kate Aanenson: Correct.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: And so how come we're doing it this time?
Kate Aanenson: They're still, they would be, we're not counting the retaining wall on this one.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: But I thought they had to remove some of the retaining wall?
Kate Aanenson: He removed some of it to level out, to get the setback. What we've done now is
we've researched some of this stuff. We have researched what other communities are doing with
retaining walls and what our interpretation, and have we denied anybody from the last 2 years.
We went back and looked through all the ordinances. We haven't been using it except for the
last 2 years. We haven't denied anybody on that so we're not including it so he's still okay and
that would still make it whole by bringing in part of the driveway and moving it to the back.
Mayor Furlong: Any other questions for staff at this time? No? Is the applicant here this
evening? Any thoughts or comments? Mr. Scherle, good evening.
David Scherle: Hi. My name's David Scherle, 8541 Flamingo Drive. We'd like to thank you for
hearing us on this appeal of the variance of the shed. We appreciate the time of taking to hear
our appeal. And see about the, I don't know this is the first time I heard about that we didn't have
to do the retaining wall. Yeah, that's something new to me because that's what we took down a
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big part of the retaining wall to help do the hard cover so that's something new to us. It would
have been nice to know that but that's the way it goes. But there's some.
Kate Aanenson: Just for the record, it's 27 square feet so I'm not sure. The total affect of that.
It's pretty nominal of the overall percentage of what you were over with.
David Scherle: Oh, okay. We'd like to address some of the points the Planning Commission
made after we were unable to address what they were talking about. They were talking about the
hard rains might fall on the next door neighbor but the shed is downhill from the neighbors so it
really wouldn't cause any flooding problems. And with all the rain we've had, we wouldn't have
had any problems with it at all. And then they were talking about everybody in the neighbor
would want a variance you know like this but you have to really address every situation you
know separately. Let's see. Our previous motorcycle was in our garage and that one we were
able to make work, you know fit in the garage and then I had a back problem so we ended up
getting this bigger motorcycle and we had to, we couldn't fit it in with the garage with our cars
and stuff so that's why we need the shed where it's at. And moving the shed to the back of the
garage we were figuring how we'd need 3 feet of sidewalk to go along side of the garage and
with that hard cover and the 6 by 9 foot garage, or the shed behind the garage we would be over
the hard cover so that's why, we were working with Angie on, at the Planning Commission about
the complying with the hard cover and putting the shed back there and between the, oh the
sidewalk width and the turn around we'd need back there for the motorcycle, and the 6, the
smallest size we could have for the shed would be 6 foot by 9 foot and between all of that it'd be
over the hard cover so that's why it wouldn't work behind the garage. And yeah, there's no
problem with the septic system or the utilities at all. And with the lake and the adequate light
and air for adjacent properties, it's still down a ways from the neighbor's property so we didn't
think there was no problem with that. And let's see. I think that's it. So thanks for considering,
of hearing us for the appeal of the shed and hopefully we can work things out. Do you have any
questions or concerns that I could help answer?
Mayor Furlong: Any questions for Mr. Scherle? Was there a reason that you didn't want to
work with staff initially to try to find a solution or do you think you've exhausted that at this
time?
David Scherle: I think we've exhausted, yeah. Because I did call and talk to her and then I tried
measuring it out for the hard cover and that's not going to work out. Otherwise yeah, we were
trying to work as much as we can with the city as to how we could make this work out.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Any other questions for Mr. Scherle?
Councilman Litsey: Is there anyway to come off the back side of the garage so you could
actually have as part of the interior of the garage so you could kind of move the motorcycle up in
front of the cars like I do at my house or? I don't have an extra extension on my garage but that's
where I put it.
David Scherle: That's a possibility if we put a door.
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Councilman Litsey: There you could access it from the interior of the garage. I mean part of
your, but I don't know if that's permissible.
Kate Aanenson: That was one of our suggestions. There is a door, you can see it over here.
There's a door, if you crank that out and just push the fence along the back side so you wouldn't
have to have this back sidewalk. Just have it as part of the back yard and go through the garage.
Councilman Litsey: To me that'd be almost more convenient.
Kate Aanenson: That was one of our suggestions.
Councilman Litsey: To set off part of your garage and aesthetically it would be to the back side
of the house.
David Scherle: I don't know if that'd be possible. But possibly to put a door on the side of the
garage, that's maybe a possibility because otherwise if you put it, you know extend onto the
garage, you're still having a problem trying to get it in and out with cars and everything so it is a
possibility of putting a garage door on the side.
Councilman Litsey: And go out through that door.
David Scherle: Yeah, then we could use the sidewalk to drive it on. That would be a possibility.
Councilman Litsey: I guess that would be my thought is perhaps you could work with staff on
that idea rather than having to go through the, because the setback's 10 feet and you're just trying
to force something…
Mayor Furlong: Any other questions of Mr. Scherle? Okay, thank you.
David Scherle: Thanks.
Mayor Furlong: Any follow-up questions for staff or discussion? Thoughts and comments.
Councilman Litsey: Just one and Kate, you could go off the back of the garage right?
Kate Aanenson: That was our suggestion too.
Councilman Litsey: Oh, okay.
Kate Aanenson: No, I appreciate your suggesting it.
Councilman Litsey: So it wasn't my.
Kate Aanenson: No, I think you know somehow it seemed like it would work. There's two
issues going on. One was the impervious which Mr. Scherle worked very hard to get in
compliance and we appreciate those efforts. He's been very cooperative. Secondly, it's just the
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aesthetic of having some more of these, it doesn't have a footing, it's not architecturally integral
to the house and certainly it performs a function of keeping the motorcycle covered, which we
understand but I think we wouldn't want to see a lot of them built to this kind of style just
because it's, it looks more temporary in nature and maybe that would be best served on the back
side is where Councilman Litsey was going. That's kind of what we thought too. And it serves a
purpose of providing cover that's not architecturally seen. Seeing the same format.
Mayor Furlong: Well with the, there is room on the back of the garage with regard to setbacks,
where there isn't room on the side.
Kate Aanenson: That's correct.
Mayor Furlong: Is part of it too which is where your idea was, even though they had the idea
first.
Councilman Litsey: I'll yield to them.
Mayor Furlong: You can run it a lot of different ways. I was coming out the back door. You
had a different slant on it so I think you know, somehow working that approach would be best
served.
Mayor Furlong: Find a way to work it within the existing restrictions I guess is what I hear you
saying Councilman Litsey.
Councilman Litsey: Yes.
Mayor Furlong: Any other thoughts or comments? Other thoughts or comments?
Councilwoman Ernst: Sounds like a good solution. Yeah, it sounds like they're complying. I
think that's…
Mayor Furlong: Well I think Mr. Scherle was continuing to want it on the side of the house is
what I heard.
David Scherle: And we're going to put the same garage door as the garage door itself, I forgot to
mention. It will look like it's part of the garage. Same siding. Same color of overhang and we're
going to put the regular shingles that are on the house right now on the garage too so it will really
fit well in the neighborhood.
Kate Aanenson: The siding does match. Our concern was that originally it just had the metal on
the roof and now he's explaining, he's willing to put the shingles on but that was some of our
concern. It does not have permanent footings so.
Mayor Furlong: There are architectural issues that I'm hearing but the issue before us is really
the setback. The location of it. I think versus the design of the construction materials, so that's
what.
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Kate Aanenson: Correct. But if you were to approve it, one of the mitigation strategies was it
had to be architecturally compatible is what I would recommend if you were to, yep.
Mayor Furlong: I see.
Kate Aanenson: Just so it looks like it's part of the house and not just an appendix that doesn't
match in.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. Okay, I see.
Kate Aanenson: And I think that was what the neighbors expectations or their concern was,
yeah.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Other thoughts or comments?
Councilman Litsey: Have there been any comments by neighbors so far?
Kate Aanenson: There was some at the Planning Commission that did support it.
Councilman Litsey: Oh yeah, that's right.
Kate Aanenson: Yeah, but there was some that we received that were a little concerned about.
Mayor Furlong: Other thoughts? Councilman Peterson. Councilwoman Tjornhom.
Councilman Peterson: Well you know as far as variances go I don't see a compelling reason to
grant this one over the other ones which we've historically denied. You know I clearly don't see
a defined hardship so I, as it stands and as requested presented, I can't support it but I certainly
support being creative with staff to try to do it without a variance.
Mayor Furlong: Councilwoman Tjornhom, anything?
Councilwoman Tjornhom: Yeah, I would concur. I always start these processes out by saying
that they're never easy because nothing's ever black and white. I don't think the applicants
decided to put a shed in and make sure the setback wasn't correct and I think he was trying to
make legal use of the property in his eyes and protect his investment, which I totally understand
but unfortunately I have to look at it more ordinance wise and what we do. What the rules are
for setbacks. And clearly he's over the limit for setbacks and that has a couple implications.
Drainage was one of them. Perhaps not the neighbors but perhaps for himself, in his own yard
backing up. And also it's encroaching on other people's property or just at least the, the lots of
separation that was going to be occurring between his property and his neighbors. And so
because of that too I also have to support staff's position and will not be supporting this request.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. My thoughts are similar. Whenever we look at these, it's part of
the process to try to solve the problem. You know and often we try to look for, how can it be
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solved and that's the nature of a number of our questions, as you probably heard this evening.
You know what are the alternatives besides granting the variance. It sounds like there are some.
They may not be necessarily preferable to the applicant, to the property owner, but there
certainly are some that would fit within the ordinance. To Councilman Peterson's point, you
know is there a compelling reason here to grant this? Is there something so unique here that
really creates that hardship, and that's really one of the hurdles and I think it's a tough hurdle to
get over but what I'm okay with having it be tough because the variances should be the
exception. I think this is, from what I’m hearing here the desire here is much more of a
convenience versus a hardship. Whether or not certainly desires to do it, I haven't been
convinced again that there's a compelling reason for that. So my position would be not to grant
the variance but to continue to look for and encourage Mr. and Mrs. Scherle to work with staff
and say how can something else be done within the ordinance. Is there a way to locate this so
that you can protect your personal property? But at the same time do it in such a way that we fit
within the setbacks and we fit within the impervious surface coverage requirements. My sense is
there's probably, it may not be initially the desired way but there's probably a way and so I would
encourage you to work with them and would ask staff, and I know they will, try to cooperate
with you as they do always with property owners to find ways to get it to work within the
ordinance and that's what we always like to see so. Other thoughts and comments at this point.
If not, is there a motion with regard to the request for the appeal of the Planning Commission's
denial of the variance request.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: I'll make a motion.
Mayor Furlong: Councilwoman Tjornhom.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: The City Council denies Planning Case 07-22 for a 7 foot, 3 inch
side yard setback variance from the required 10 foot side yard setback for the construction of a
shed on Lot 4, Block 1, Lake Susan Hills West 5th Addition based upon the Findings of Fact in
the staff report.
Mayor Furlong: You can sit back Roger.
Councilwoman Tjornhom: The Council also further directs that the applicant must move the
shed and comply with the Zoning Ordinance and the applicant must re-vegetate all removed hard
surface areas with grass seed or sod.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Is there a second?
Councilman Litsey: Second.
Mayor Furlong: Any discussion? On that.
Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilman Litsey seconded that the City Council
denies Planning Case 07-22 for a 7 foot, 3 inch side yard setback variance from the
required 10 foot side yard setback for the construction of a shed on Lot 4, Block 1, Lake
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Susan Hills West 5th Addition, based on the Findings of Fact in the staff report. The City
Council further directs that:
1. The applicant must move the shed and comply with the Zoning Ordinance.
2. The applicant must re-vegetate all removed hard surface areas with grass seed or sod.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
DISCUSSION OF KURVERS POINT SPEED LIMITS.
Mayor Furlong: The next item on our agenda was, staff had conducted a speed limit study for
Kurvers Point Road and at the request of the residents we scheduled it for tonight's council
meeting to discuss it. We received notification, staff received notification earlier today that, at
the request of those same residents, that they did not want to proceed with the discussion this
evening so unless anybody is here to discuss that, I don't know if anybody is. If you raise your
hand if you are. If not I would recommend that I think the staff's report was pretty complete and
there's no action required at the council so, unless there is any desire to go forward, we can just
bypass item number 5 this evening. Without objection we'll do that.
COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS: None.
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS:
Todd Gerhardt: Just want you to put down on your calendar November 29th. It's the ribbon
cutting for Highway 312 and you'll be seeing a special invitation for that but I just wanted you to
keep that date open on your calendar. And Roger's also informed me that the Court ruled in our
favor for the Arild Rossavik suit against the City so that was good news. And that's all I have.
Mayor Furlong: Thank you. Any discussion or questions for Mr. Gerhardt or staff? Has that
meeting been moved again? The ribbon cutting.
Todd Gerhardt: Oh, did I say the wrong date?
Laurie Hokkanen: I haven't received notification on the final date. I didn't know if you had
gotten something.
Todd Gerhardt: What date did you have?
Laurie Hokkanen: I don't know.
Todd Gerhardt: Okay.
Mayor Furlong: I had heard the Monday. The first Monday in December. I had heard that as
recently as 2 weeks ago but that could have changed.
Laurie Hokkanen: I'll check tomorrow and email everyone.
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Paul Oehme: I haven't officially received notice but they relayed the message to me that it might
be December 3rd but I haven't received official notice yet.
Mayor Furlong: Okay. So hold the 29th, the 3rd…dates on either side.
Todd Gerhardt: The last message I had was the 29th so sorry about that.
Mayor Furlong: I've not heard any variance in the location and that's going to be in Chanhassen
at the 101 interchange. Will be the location, is that correct?
Paul Oehme: What time is it do you know?
Mayor Furlong: We can't even get a date.
Laurie Hokkanen: Pencil it in the schedule.
Councilman Litsey: Just leave that all open.
Laurie Hokkanen: Don't plan anything between Christmas and New Year's.
Todd Gerhardt: Well, apologize for that. Get that down on my calendar so.
Mayor Furlong: Any other questions for Mr. Gerhardt?
CORRESPONDENCE DISCUSSION. None.
Mayor Furlong: Again our next meeting will be on Tuesday, November 13th given the Veteran's
Day falling on our regularly scheduled meeting date so without, if there's nothing else to come
before the council this evening, can I get a motion to adjourn.
Councilman Peterson moved, Councilwoman Ernst seconded to adjourn the meeting. All
voted in favor and the motion carried. The City Council meeting was adjourned at 7:45
p.m..
Submitted by Todd Gerhardt
City Manager
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REGULARMEETING
SUMMARY MINUTES
OCTOBER 16 2007
ChairmanMcDonald calledthe meeting toorder at7 00 p m
MEMBERS PRESENT MarkUndestad JerryMcDonald KurtPapke Kevin Dillon and
Kathleen Thomas
MEMBERS ABSENT Debbie Larson and DanKeefe
STAFF PRESENT KateAanenson Community Development Director Bob Generous Senior
Planner Paul Oehme City Engineer Public WorksDirector and Alyson Fauske AssistantCity
Engineer
PUBLICHEARING
LIFETIME FITNESSSECONDADDITION REQUESTFOR SUBDIVISION
APPROVAL FOR THREE LOTSON PROPERTY LEGALLYDESCRIBEDAS LOT 1
BLOCK1 LIFETIME FITNESSLOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNEROFHIGHWAYS5AND412901CORPORATEPLACEAPPLICANTALLIANT
ENGINEERING INC AND LIFETIME FITNESS PLANNING CASE 07 24
Bob Generous presentedthe staff reporton this item Commissioner Papkeasked aboutthe
impact on therest ofthe propertyifLifetime Fitness soldoff one parcel
Undestadmoved Papkeseconded thatthe Chanhassen PlanningCommission recommends
thatthe City Councilapprove the platcreatingthreelots LifeTimeFitness Second
Addition plans prepared byAlliantEngineering Inc dated September14 2007 subject
tothe followingconditions
1 The right of way for the CorporatePlace cul de sac must be removed fromthe LifeTime
Fitness SecondAdditionplat
2 Cross access and cross parkingeasements agreements must be recordedwith the plat
3 The existing sanitary sewer and watermain within the platwillremain privately owned
and maintained via easement agreements between adjoining properties recorded with the
plat Secondaryutilities that cross property linesshall alsobe addressed via private
recorded easementagreements betweenadjoining properties
4 The LifeTimeFitnessSecond Additionmust comply with the Development Design
Standards for ArboretumBusiness Park
All voted in favorandthe motion carriedunanimouslywitha vote of5 to0
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PUBLICHEARING
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRANSPORTATION SEWER AND WATERELEMENTS
Bob Generous reviewedthe elements ofChapter 7 Transportation CommissionerPapkeasked
staff toelaborate onhowand whenthe money listed on the capitalimprovements table will be
spent Chairman McDonald suggestedacouple hot spots thatshould be addressedin the plan
the intersectionsofMinnewashta Parkway andHighways 5 and 7 and Highway 101north ofHighway5PaulOehmereviewedtheelementsofChapter8SewerandChapter9Water
Commissioner Papke asked staff toexplain the radical shiftinphasing ofutilitiesin southern
Chanhassen from2020 to2010 Chairman McDonaldandCommissioner Papke both asked if
the cityshould be concernedabout capacity issues with the aquifersand water supplyand what
the city intends todo about educatingthe public onconservation Chairman McDonald openedthepublichearingNoonespokeThepublichearingwascontinuedsothatthepubliccould
continue toprovide comments There wasno action taken on this item
APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Thomasnoted the verbatim andsummary
minutesofthe Planning Commission meetingdated October 2 2007 aspresented
COMMISSIONPRESENTATIONS None
Chairman McDonald adjourned the meeting at8 15 pm
SubmittedbyKate Aanenson
Community DevelopmentDirector
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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REGULARMEETING
OCTOBER 16 2007
ChairmanMcDonald calledthe meeting toorder at7 00 p m
MEMBERS PRESENT MarkUndestad JerryMcDonald KurtPapke Kevin Dillon and
Kathleen Thomas
MEMBERS ABSENT Debbie Larson and DanKeefe
STAFF PRESENT KateAanenson Community Development Director Bob Generous Senior
Planner Paul Oehme City Engineer Public WorksDirector and Alyson Fauske AssistantCity
Engineer
PUBLICHEARING
LIFE TIME FITNESSSECOND ADDITION REQUEST FOR SUBDIVISION
APPROVAL FOR THREE LOTSON PROPERTY LEGALLYDESCRIBEDAS LOT 1
BLOCK1 LIFETIME FITNESS LOCATEDON THE SOUTHEAST CORNEROF
HIGHWAYS5 AND 41 2901 CORPORATE PLACE APPLICANT ALLIANTENGINEERINGINCANDLIFETIMEFITNESSPLANNINGCASE0724
Bob Generous presentedthe staff reporton this item
McDonald Okay thank you Illstart tomyleft Mark
Undestad None over here
Thomas No
McDonald None
Papke As Iwas looking this overthe onequestion thatcame tomindis does thisgive Life
Time obviously itgivesthemmore flexibility tosell off oneofthe parcels so ifthey would
decide not tobuild the secondbuilding orwhatever Can youalludetodaya little bitabout howmuchflexibilitythisactuallygivesthemCouldtheyturnaroundafterwegrantthisselloffthe
remaining parcel that theycurrently intend tobuild abuildingon and wecould end up with
somethingcompletely different there
Generous Well all three buildings arecurrentlyunder construction sotheywill have thoseinplaceTheoreticallytheycouldselloffoneofthebuildingsorthelotwiththebuildingonitthat
someone wouldtake over but then they would stillbe governedby thePUD standards that says
they canhave offices there and afitness center
Papke Okay
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Aanenson Let me just add one otherpoint on that and that becauseyouhave a singleowner
and they have a vestedinterest in protecting their views and their visibility Ithink thats thelevelofprotectionTheyveindicatedastheymoveforwardtheymayleasesomeofthatastheybuild
intothatsothere is thatpossibility butIthink for their control oftheir visibility and their
architecturethattheyhave on the other buildings theyd probably atleast stillmirrorthat
building Whileitmay besoldoff would probably architecturally be prettyclose towhatitis
Generous If youwillalso its my understandingthey intend tooccupythe firstoffice building
this by the endofNovember this year Start occupancy The secondone isunder construction
so bothoffice buildings and Ibelieve its their intention bythe end of nextyear tooccupythat
second building
Dillon No questions here
McDonald Ihave no questionseither and I guessatthis point isthere an application tocome
forwardand speak on this or hascitystaff pretty much doneall that
Generous Ibelieve they lookedatthe staff report and saw thatthere werentanyissues We
actually have the documentsfor the finalplatalready in so
McDonald Okay Soatthatpointthen Illbringitbackup tothecommission for final
deliberation andwellstartwith Kevin
Dillon I donthaveanyissues with this I meanI thinkitwill be agood citizenandIcant
reallyseeanydown sideso
McDonald Okay Kurt
Papke It seems thattheyrewithin theirlegal right todo soand
Thomas No
Undestad Nocomments
McDonald And Ihave no comments either This seems pretty easy Okay Illtakeamotion
from the commission
Undestad Illmake amotion thatthe ChanhassenPlanning Commission recommends thatthe
CityCouncil approvethe platcreating three lots LifeTimeFitness Second Addition plans
prepared byAlliant Engineering Inc dated September 14 2007 subject toconditions 1 through
4
McDonald CanIhave a second
Papke Second
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Undestadmoved Papkeseconded thatthe Chanhassen PlanningCommission recommends
thatthe City Councilapprove the platcreatingthreelots LifeTimeFitness SecondAdditionplanspreparedbyAlliantEngineeringIncdatedSeptember142007subject
tothe followingconditions
1 The right of way for the CorporatePlace cul de sac must be removed fromthe LifeTime
Fitness SecondAdditionplat
2 Cross access and cross parkingeasements agreements must be recordedwith the plat
3 The existing sanitary sewer and watermain within the platwillremain privately owned
and maintained via easement agreements between adjoining properties recorded with theplatSecondaryutilitiesthatcrosspropertylinesshallalsobeaddressedviaprivate
recorded easementagreements betweenadjoining properties
4 The LifeTimeFitnessSecond Additionmust comply with the Development Design
Standardsfor Arboretum Business Park
All voted in favorandthe motion carriedunanimouslywitha vote of5 to0
PUBLICHEARING
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRANSPORTATION SEWER AND WATERELEMENTS
McDonald Again theseareopen meetingsand they willremain open untilwegettothe end to
allowcommentofanyone whowishes tovisitthe citys website or tosendletters or tovisit city
hall itself and talk toanyone but tonight wewillbe dealing with transportation sewer and water
elements Staff
Aanenson Again thank youMr Chair Ijust want toadd a little bitmore tothat For our
residents thatmaybe watchingathome thedraft ofthe entire comprehensive plan ison the
citys web site soIencourage anybodythatmay be listening topart ofthis discussion that wants
tolearna little bit more about thespecific topics togo tothe citys web site under what snewunderthecomprehensiveplanAllthechaptersareenumeratedTheyhavethatopportunitystAndcertainlywhilethehearingiscontinuingitsoutforpubliccommentuntilApril1soif
they have questions that they want tospeak to the appropriate personisthe city engineer public
works directoror myself or anybody else on staff that would certainly be appropriate todo So
with that we do have Paul Oehme the City Engineerhere tospeak tothe sewer and water andthenBobGenerouswillbepresentingtransportationAgainthegoalhereistojustkindofgive
youa kindofthe highpoints Theresa lotofminutia butI think just togiveourresidents and
yourselfan education on kindofwhere weregoingwith the sewer and water which thesewer
plan also ties intocertainlythe MUSA phasing soaswe get intoland just tosee howthosetwo
tie together sowith that Illturnitover toPaul and Bob
Generous Okay Chapter7 ofthe comprehensive plan deals with thetransportation element
The beginningofit the transportation elementidentifies the density and distributionofland uses
in the community and their relationshiptoourtransportation system Itprovides a functional
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hierarchy ofroadways for our community It looks atsystem improvements thatwill be required
within the community andlooks attransit servicesthatwill beavailable andfinally itlooksatanimplementationprogramThechaptersactuallydividedinto6portionsYouhavethegoalsand
policies the land use MUSA staging and projections the existing systems theforecast alternate
modesoftransportation ortransit and implementation ofgoals and policies TheCity of
Chanhassen fits into isin the southwestquadrant ofthe metropolitan area Were served by
severalstate highwaysand thenew Highway 212 which cuts through the middle ofourcommunityTheoverallgoalforthecityofChanhassenintransportationistoprovide amulti
modal That means trucks cars trains buses motor scooters bikes pedestriantransportation
system for the safe efficientand effective movement ofpeople and goods takingintoaccount of
land usesand ourdevelopment plans for thecommunity and alsothe metropolitan and MnDots
transportation system as well as the county system And this isspelled out inthe very beginningofitTodothiswelookatthe6generalpoliciesthatarebrokenoutinthecompplanWego
through general policies and Ishould pointout ifyoulike lists the transportation element is a
greatelement tolookthroughbecause theres alotoflistsin that One isthe general policies and
the policiesrelated toroad redesign Theres policies relatedtouseoftransit Policies relatedto
parkingrequirements for development Policies for the pedestrian and bicycle systemand alsotheressomemiscellaneouspoliciesincludedinthecompplanHoweverindevelopingthe
projection for this we relied on theMetropolitan Councils2030 populationprojections It looks
atpopulation households and employment We thenbreak this down inour community into
whats called transportation analysis zones and these lookatsubareas ofthe community Asfar
asourplan is ournumbers areslightly differentfrom the Met Councilsnumbers Due tothelandusechangesthatwereproposingwebelievethattherellbeahigheremploymentnumber
Additionally wethink thatthe householdnumbers are high for what oureventualbuild out is
and also the population numbers are high Howeverfrom a planning standpointwe usethese
numbers to our theCarver Countyusethesenumbers in creating a 2030 transportation
projections However wealsoneed tolookatourexisting system and one ofthe mapswithin thecompplandealswiththeexistingtrafficvolumesThesearebasedontrafficcountsthatthecity
engineeringdepartment took over the summer months for ourlocalstreetsystem and also
numberson theregional systemthatwerecontained withinthe Carver County Draft
Transportation Plan Iknow its difficult toseeatthis scale Ittries tobreakthe community all
the community down andall oursignificantroadways soyoucanseewhat thecurrent numbersareineachoftheroadwaysegmentsInadditiontothatwelookatourexistingsystemandwhat
we project tobe our systemand look atwhat are thepotential deficiencies wehave What these
includeareintersection deficiencies Thats generallyturning movements thatare delayed or
theres long queues thatarerequired especially during peakhour One oftheexamples ofthat
would be atPleasant View and 101 If youveever beenin that part ofthe community tomakealeftturnduringrushhourtheresoftenlongwaitswithpeoplesotherearesomeimprovements
that wouldimprove the operation ofthat intersection You alsolook atsystemconnections and a
goodexampleofthatis Powers Boulevard InChanhassen we have this wideroadway system
that goes up tothe corporate limitsand then yourunintoShorewood and youhavedesigns that
areslightly different The roadway itnarrows down Houses arecloser tothe roadway and soitreallyisawholedifferenttransportationenvironmentYouhavecapacityissuesLyman
Boulevard isan exampleofthat Its a 2 lanefacility but theres enough trafficon itthat itcould
use4 lanetoimprove trafficoperations Andyouhave geometric and safety considerations A
goodexampleofthatis Highway 101 southofLyman Boulevard where we have sharpcurves
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and horizontal curves thatarentvery conducivetotrafficmovement sotheseareall things that
we lookup and theres a whole listofimprovements thatthe city wouldneed tomake toimproveouroveralltransportationsystemHeresanexampleofsomeimprovementsthatarecurrently
under construction thatwill help the citys operationand this is the 101 and Highway 212
interchange andLyman Boulevardupgrade This willimprove thetrafficoperationin that
location Another projectwere looking atinconjunction with CarverCounty and Chaska is an
upgrade toLyman Boulevard This improvement actually hastobe done in conjunction with theopeningofthenewhighschoolinthefallof2009Andthenfromthataspartoftheforecast
thatthe Carver County used in theirtransportation plan they have 3 system improvementsthat
werevery critical Thefirstonethat assumption was thatHighway 41 from Highway 5 tothe
ScottCounty boundarywould be 4 lane Thesecond assumption was that Trunk Highway 101
from Lyman Boulevard toScottCounty wouldalsobe 4 lane andthe third one wouldbe atLymanBoulevardfromHighway41tothe101roadwayintersectionwouldalsobe4lane And
so thatwas the assumption theyused in making theseprojections and distribution oftrips within
the community and within actually CarverCounty Sofrom all ofthatwe looked atcreatinga
functional classificationsystem for a roadwaysystem The principal arterialsareourlargest
roadway systems Theresonlytwo ofthemproposedas part ofour map The newHighway 212andHighway7TheyprovidelongrangetripsandtheyreusuallyfreewaydesignThenyou
haveyour arterialroadways For Chanhassentheyre all the statehighways and many ofthe
county roads Thenyouhave yourcollector roadways which aremore local largersystem
improvements for the citybut theyreon asmaller scale Theyllconnect neighborhoods toan
arterial system And then the finalthingis your localroadways Oh Ishould backup Idid giveyouanewmapaspartoftheexistingdeficienciesThenarrativedescribedallthethingsthat
were shown on there but inthe map that youhave in your book we listthe 2010 MUSA area
east west connectionand the Bluff CreekGolfCourse connection aswell asthe pointtoshow
that Powers BoulevardatHighway 5 hassome intersection problems And soifyoujust want to
take out yourold pagesand put thatin thats thereplacement for that Then next part ofatransportationsystemyoualsohavetolookattransitTheCityofChanhassenisanoptout
community Werea memberofSouthwest Transit It provides localcirculator system as well
asexpress service and reversecommute service Theres alsoCART thatprovides another transit
opportunity Thatsan on demandtype ofservice Additionallyin conjunction with the Met
Counciland the County theyredoing studies on doing lightrail transit outtothesouthwestcorridorItsoneof6corridorsthatarebeingstudiedaspartoffuturetransportation
improvements Thecloser insouthwest suburbs areina closerstageofdevelopment Theyre
going tobe moreenvironmental impact statement review ForChanhassen and out west were
looking atmore afeasibility toseeifitwouldbe feasibleand worthwhile toextend it As part
oftransit lightrail transit service toChanhassen theyre actually lookingatthe Highway newHighway212corridortoputitwithintherightofwaytoservethisareaandoutthroughChaska
and out toCarver potentially Ifthat study showsfeasible we did request that the MetCouncil
alsocontinue tolookatthe southerly Hennepin County RegionalRail Authority right of way
that trailsystem downin the southern part ofChanhassen toseeifalso thatwould be that could
bea feasiblealternative Then thesecond thingthat were looking ataspart ofthe rail transitwouldbewithintheTwinCitiesandWesternRailroadThisisasystemthatwillgofrom
Minneapolis out toGlencoe and potentially even outfurther ifthe asthe area continues togrow
intothe future Twin Cities andWestern Railroad is very involved in this and theywouldlike to
seethis happen and sowehope as part ofthe study we did requestthat the MetCouncil look at
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the downtown area ofChanhassen asanydefault within ourcommunity sothats we toldthem to
change their focus for looking ata stopthere And thenaswe continue in the future some oftheimportantroadwaysthatwerelookingatissouth101andwerecentlycompletedastudyto
come up with the preferred alignment and thatis its calledthecentral alignmentand the first
partofitfrom Lyman toPioneer wouldcreate clean up some ofthevertical and horizontal
curves And this isonethatwere looking athaving the improvementsdonein conjunction with
the MUSAextension tolike 2010 MUSA area The secondpartofthat would be fromPioneerdowntoLakotaandultimatelydownthroughtheMinnesotaRivervalleyandthentoScott
County and itsalso looking attakingout some ofthe significantcurved areastomake itoperate
asa better commuter route It alsolooks atadditional localstreet connectionsintothat roadway
As part ofthis weve also and itcomes up inthe land use looked atconnectionstothe west of
Bluff Creek GolfCourse If theres anyfuture development aredevelopment ofthatarea WerealsoworkinginconjunctionwiththeVictoriaWaconiaCarverCountyNorwoodYoung
America on a study toextend Highway 5 afour lane Highway 5 westofthe community If
youve evergoneout Highway 5 once youhit 41 itsortofbacks upthere and getsvery
congested And finally theyre looking at theyvebeen in theprocess for about 4 years anew
river crossing Itsactually been inprocess a lotlongerbut theyve been doing the draftenvironmentalimpactstudyforitItcamedowntotheyrelookingat36differentalignments
for crossing theriver Bythe end ofthis year MnDot and thefederal highway department are
looking atrecommending a preferred alignmentfor thatriver crossing The City ofChanhassen
supports a river crossingand wereworkingin conjunction with theseother communitiestocome
up with thatpreferred alignment However thiswouldntbe builtuntil another 30 years ifwereluckySothatsitThetransportationelementworkedinconjunctionwitheverythingelseThe
finalthing thatwehave in itisactually the capitalimprovement program It showsthe
significant roadways improvementsthatwould be required and gives an estimateofthe costs for
that Itlooks athowto implementourcomprehensiveplan whichgoes back tothe listofall the
improvementsthat wehave Many ofthe things the community does are doneon an asdevelopmenttakesplaceWerelookingatthenewconnectorroadwayandthatsoneofthe
changes in ourtransportationsystem Itscurrently shown asa collector and were going totake
thatout because itsreally just provides aconnection from 101 toPowers Boulevard
Aanenson Bob canyoushowthaton thatmap That was itwasntit
Generous No thatwas a deficiency There itis And its hard toseeon thatbut ifyoulook
westofLake Rileytheres a serpentineroad that goes from about Bandimere Parkover toPowers
Boulevard Andsothatreally itwonthave enough traffictojustify being acollector roadway
and alsowere looking atmultipleaccess points for that area sowe dontanticipate more than4000tripswithinthatareacomingoutsoitwouldntbejustifiedtohaveititwillbealocal
street system And so thats the onlychange inthe classification system that werelooking at
Theresalsodiscussion as part ofthe compplan about some turnback projects Galpin
Boulevard northofHighway 5 iscurrently acounty road but itreally serves asalocalfunction
and sothe countys looking atturning thatbacktothe city Highway potentially Highway 5 andFlyingCloudDrivewillgobackfromMnDottoCarverCountyiftheseotherimprovementsever
get done so thats thewhole thing that its looking at With that wearerecommending approval
ofthe drafttransportation element subject tothosechanges that Ipointed out todayand behappy
toanswer anyquestions
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McDonald Okay thankyou Kevin
Dillon No Idon thave anyquestions That was a nicepresentation Thank you
McDonald Okay Kurt
Papke One ofthedifficulties with transportation part ofthecomprehensive plan iswhat
Chanhassen candoissointimately interwovenwith what the countys going todoorthe state is
going todo and soyouknow youreadthrough the transportationplan and youcompare the
specificity ofwhats in thatplan versusthe sewer and water plan and itsa world ofdifference
You kindoftake the 46 pages and itkindofboils downtothe capital improvements table attheendthereYouknowthatsreallywhattheCityhascontroloverifIreadthiscorrectlyCould
youpoint outa couple ofthe highlights in thatniftylittle table atthe end like whatsthe 20
millionfor101 corridorplanning in2015 Is that does this mean were going todo one pieceof
the PhaseIof101for 7 millionin 2010 and PhaseII for 20 million2015 orhowdoIread
You know thereal meatofthe wholeplanis what areyougoing tospendyour money on WhatareyourprioritiesandsoifyoucouldspelloutwhatsomeofthosethingsareinthattableI
think thatwould be helpful Not just here for the groupbut maybe in the textor something like
thatsopeople canlookatthatand sayokay what does that 20 millionbucks going togofor
Generous It isindirectly youre correctin that those two slides that Ishowed theLyman toPioneerwouldbethat7millionprojectandthatsjustanestimateofthecostWedontitsnot
beendesigned or anything But we wantedtoshow thatapproximately in2010 when that
MUSA area opens up weneedtolookatimproving 101 in that area toaccommodate the
additionaltrips thatwillbe on oursystem
Papke Alright
Generous And thenthe second in 2015were looking atopening up a new MUSA area and we
would anticipate thatwe wouldneedtohave 101 improvements down toand including anything
atFlying Cloud Drive which willbe new County Road61 Have improvements thattake itfromPioneerdowntothereAndsothisjustgivesyouageneralmagnitudeandtimingforthose
improvements It wouldntall be Chanhassen money Its probably mostly MnDot and Carver
County but toget thingsgoing the Citys going tohave improvementsthatwellrequire aspart of
this with trailsand maybe boulevardimprovements thatarentcovered under either the county or
MnDotsbudgeting
Papke Typically whenresidents youknow read through this kindofstuff theywant toknow
whenare yougoingtofix 101 or whenare yougoing tofix Lyman and what areyougoing todo
and soI think itwouldreallybe helpful ifwe could spell out youknow what all thosethings are
in thattable therebecause Ithink the questions will inevitably be askedso mightaswell nititinthebudandjustputitrightintheplanThatsmytwocentsworth
Aanenson No Ithink thats agoodcomment Ithink ifyoulookunder weveidentifiedthe
deficiencies Ithink whats lackingis a prioritization and Ithinkyousee howtheyall interlink
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together Thesewer the water thetransportation and weve clearlypointed out weneed 101
upgradedfor ustocontinuetomarch south because thatsthe main arterytoget over the river IfyoulookatwecandosomeadditionaldevelopmentnorthofPioneerTrailWhenyougetsouth
without that thatsthe onlyway down
Papke That brings up a really goodpoint You know sometimes its toughtoseewhen you
organize thecompplan intothesesilos Wevegot the transportation plan Wevegot the waterandsewerplanWevegottheparksplanButultimatelyallthesethingsareinterdependent
and help residents try tounderstand that somewaybut boyitsure wouldbe great ifwe could
findsomewayofshowing the people youknow youknow werebuilding werespending the 20
millionbucks in 2015because we need the water and sewer thatsover inthis other section over
here You knowifitwas on the internet youd have this be a hyperlink over tothat other processorsomethinglikethatButthisispaperandwecantdothat
Aanenson And youpointout the realchallenge ofplanning whenwe try towork together and to
figure out theprioritization We did put together which is going out hereshortly a
neighborhoodmeeting ofabout 250people around theBluff Creekarea becausethatsone oftheareasthebiggestzoneofchangewhenwelookattheMUSAphasingPartofwhattheCity
Engineer Paul Oehmes going totalk about tonight isweve identifiedbringing sewer intoall
large lots Notthat its ourgoal todaybut ifwehad toprovide service forthat sowewant totalk
tothe residentsin an openhouse forum before wehave the land usetothrow those theMUSA
phasing How thatsgoing toaffect them The improvements to101and whetheror not howthatrelatestowhentheirpropertycandevelopAsPaulworkedthroughthat101corridorstudy
a lotofthoseresidents along there were concerned when canI subdivide When canIget access
and itsall depending on whenweget sewer which isrelated towhenwecanupgradethe road
and soit is theyre all interlinked and youreright when youlookateach chapteryoudontsee
that and thats kindofa communicationtoolsothosearegoodcomments that we need toseehowwecanmaybemakethosebridgestietogetherso
Papke Yeah maybe a table somewhere in the textyouknow with one columnfor the water and
one columnfor the sewerand theroad youknow Where theprojects areintertwinedor
somethinglike thatyouknow kindofmapping everything together Ithink would be reallyhelpful
Generous There isntamap butin Chapter 10 under capitalimprovements itcombines all the
differentelements and ifyoulook down the youcanseehowsewer and water and storm water
and parksareall seem tobe related and the roadway system
Papke Thanks
Thomas Idonthave anyquestions atthetime but Ithought the presentation wasquite
informative Thank you
McDonald Mark
Undestad Nothing
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McDonald Iguess theonlycomments I have youknow kindofdovetail intowhat KurtstalkingaboutYouvedoneaverygoodjoboflayingoutIthinkthebigpictureofwhatwere
looking atfor transportation and thethings were facing butwithin the community theresa
couple ofhot spots thatdidnteven comeup and ormaybe theydid and we haventsaid much
but Ithink itshouldbe addressed What Imthinkingofis MinnewashtaParkway The entrance
southonto Highway 5 and north onto Highway 7 Iunderstand that the Statesinvolved inthatbutyouknowsomethingIthinkthereforwhatarewegoingtodowiththatWhatarewe
working on What arewe involved in that theres progressbeingmade that youknow were not
just forgetting that Wemay not be abletodo anythingbecause oftheseother thingsbut you
know somethingtoshow that its on ourradar The otherone is101 northofHighway 5 At the
north end its a4 lanehighway You get down here were lookingata 4 lane highway throughChanbutinthatstretchits2lanesandyouknowitgetstraveledprettyheavilyandbeenalotof
complaints on thatone Theres nothing here Imean its the individuallittle projects because
therescertain hot spots around the city thatIthink people areconcernedabout and what arewe
going todo Are we just going toignore theseareas Why Iknowthere maybe very good
reasons but youknow Ithink thatsomething such asthat youknowgoing along withwhat Kurthadsaidalittlebitmoredetailonacoupleoftheseprojectsastowhatsgoingonbutfromthe
broad perspectiveyeah its an excellent thingthat shows wherewereatwithin the city And I
guessthe other question Ive gotdeals with Bluff Creek When youmentioned that does that
include doingthe connection betweenthe new Iforget what theroadscalled but itgoes from
the K Hovnanian development all theway through andshould tiein over there toPowersBoulevardIsthatpartofwhatwerelookingatalso
Generous Yes thats part ofthe system deficienciesand theres anarrative inthere
McDonald Okay
Generous If youlookatthat map theres actuallyparagraphs on each ofthoselittle things and
so people can
McDonald Not atMinnewashta and Highways 5 and 7 Didntfindanything
Aanenson Theyreon page7 10 But Ithink youdid mentionone that might nothave been
on there The 101north You had mentioned Ithink most ofthemare
Generous Its in the on page
Aanenson But ifthere is somethingyouwantedtoaddress certainly
McDonald Well theres alot ofpeople whohave
Aanenson This isthe place to putit
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McDonald Yeah people have certain complaints about transportation Its just Iknow that
those arebig hotspots and Imsurprised nobody hassaidanything toyouor anything such asthat
Aanenson Idontknow its
McDonald Oh youhavehad comments
Aanenson Yes Yeah andtheyre identified in here asdeficient safe uh huh
McDonald The onlythingIhad really excellent reportas far as what istransportation goingto
looklikewithin the city sothanks Iguess atthis point
Aanenson You wantPaul togoahead and dohisbefore youopen itup or
McDonald Okay Okay welldo that Okay Paul
Oehme Okay thanks Thank youChairman and commission members Just oneclarification
too on the transportation Minnewashta youpointedout Minnewashta deficienciesin Trunk
Highway 5 The cities ofVictoria Chanhassen Waconia Young America actually are getting
together and starting ascoping study ofthe preliminarydesign project and weregoingtobe
starting thatherein the nextcouple months It will be a 9 month process actually tolookatfutureimprovementstoTrunkHighway5from41allthewayoverto212sothatsdefinitely
somethingthat wellbe putting inthe plan and beforethis plan isactually completedwe should
havesomepreliminary ideas ofexactly what willtake place out there sothatis in the works
McDonald Okay good Thankyou
Oehme You bet Segwaying intothe next chapter Chapter 8 ofthe comprehensive plan is
Sanitary Sewer Now Idonthave exhibitsin colorfuldrawings asBob hashere butmore
numbers and textthan anything else butthe sanitary sewer plan is just basically lookingatwhat
does ourexisting sanitary infrastructure looklike and whatis goingtobe looking like in whenthecityscompletedFullydevelopedsometimearound2030sosomeoftheimportantchapters
in the plan justbasically reviewthe existing sanitary sewer system and flows Looking ateach
ofthe districts land usewhich for each oftheseareas commercial residential differentaspects
ofland usedefinitely plan arolein the size and capacityoftheir sanitary sewer system The
growthofthe other community sanitary sewerdistricts againthe capacitys for each ofthoseexistinginfutureareasWealsodidlookattheinflowinfiltrationissuesthatwehaveherein the
city MetCouncil is reallypushingcities totry toreducethe amount ofclear waterorsurface
water ground water or ground water going intothe sanitary sewersystem right nowbecause it
doestake away capacity from their existing system for future developmenttoo We alsodid look
atthe futuresanitary sewer system what itmay looklike here inthe 5 10 15 yeartimeframeAndwealsoputacapitalimprovementplantogetherprojectingwhatsomeofthecostsmight
looklike The purpose ofthe plan istoprovide the city with an updated plan sanitary sewer
plan for future development areas and put inan orderly and cost effective wayand then alsoto
identify existing deficienciesin oursystem SoImjust going torunthrough acouple pages in
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the report Justkindofsummarizing some ofthe highlights Staffdid lookatthe existing
infrastructure Againlift stations play an importantrolein oursanitary sewer system CurrentlyinthecityofChanhassenwehave31liftstationsThatsyouknowmorethansometypicalcities
but where citiessee alotoftopography changes and a lotofresidentialproperties around lakes
we seea lotmoresanitary lift stations Andyou knowthe cityhasbeen growing over theyears
and wedo have some olderstations that wehave been trying toimprove and upgrade in the last
couple years What wedid herein this plan is tolookatall the lift stations and lookatfutureneedsforeachofthoseeitherifitsisitnewpumpsornewelectricalpanelsforcemainsthose
typeofthings You knowyoudo and this infrastructuredoes not last forever sowe would
were looking atputting a programtogether toreplace these this infrastructurewhenitslife
expectancy isup just to for reliabilitypurposes reduceemergency callouts and potentially
reduce sewer back ups intoresidential or commercial properties Sowe do have a plan for thatWedidlookatexistingandfuturecapacitiesforeachoftheseliftstationsaswellWedid
identify afew minor issues thatweregoingtobe takinga lookathere in the nearfuture We did
lookatagain thepopulation projections that Bob had talked about from theMet Council looked
atyouknow those thatinformation Also the commercial residential industrial usesjust
potentiallythat wouldbe here inthe city That does definitely playarolein howwe size andfuturecapacitiesforoursanitarysewersystemFromthosenumbersifwelookback10years
basicallyin terms ofwhatthe water usages for the citywas and the sewer flow thatweveseen
here inthe city the sewer flow isbasically wepayMet Council for the useoftheir infrastructure
Theirtrunkmainthattake thesanitary sewer downtoShakopee and treatthe sewer there sowe
dopay aquarterly billfor Met Councilfor thatsowedohave those numbers WekindofrelatethembacktowhatourwaterusageisandlookedatyouknowpercapitaperdayflowsFor
residentialuse You knownegating the commercial aspectsso Onaverage right nowwere
about 83 84 gallons perdaywhich is alittle bithigher thanMet Council wouldlike ustobe at
particularly a cityofoursize and demographics Theyd like tosee usmorealong the75 gallons
percapital or perdayand youknow basedupon the numbers thatwesee too thereis somepotentialsavingsthereforIandIreductionwefeeljustbaseduponthenumbersthatwelooked
at From basically thewhole report wevemore orless summarizedall theanticipated
improvements here in the next 15 20 years and were looking atyouknow 10 million Nowthis
is alotofnewinfrastructurethat wereputting inhere too and new lift stations New force
mains Newtrunksystems soalotofthatinfrastructurewould be paidfor bynewdevelopmentconnectionchargesDevelopmentfeesWhathaveyousoitsnotallbearedbyexisting
residents soagain we did lookatimprovements toexisting lift stations Trytoputtogether a
capitalimprovements plan for improving those stations tomakethem more reliableso From
that working with the planning department wedid lookatthe future MUSA staging This
drawinghere showswhat were looking atfor 2010and 2015 Grantedyouknowtheseareasdonotallhavetobeservicedby2015ItsmoredevelopmentdrivenResidentialexistingproperty
owner driven Werejust saying youknow once when theseareas openup there potentially
would be sewer and water available atthatand granted youdonthave youmighthave towork
through some ofyour neighbors and collectively approach the cityon a projectbut whatwere
saying here isthatpotentially in 5 to10 yearssewer and water potentiallywill be availablethroughoutthecityAndagainitallrelatesbacktothetransportationandotherinfrastructure
needs for before thesewer would be extended down tothese areas so Heres justa drawing
showing what existing systemand districts looklike Break out basically thewhole cityinto
little sub Imgoing tocall themwatersheddistrictsor sewer districts These arethe areas that
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just flow intothe trunksystem Weve identified all the existing lift stations ofpotentiallyfuture
lift stationsand identified where those canbe Alotofthenew infrastructuretoo thatsnot in theMUSAareaweveidentifiedyouknowsewerforexampletheMinnewashtaoverbyjustsouth
ofDogwood Roadthere Theres existing5 large lotproperties there that areon well and septic
right nowand potentially thoseproperties couldcome in and request that the city extend sewer
and water tothoselots atthis timesowed have toget a lift stationthat would have tobe
constructed ora forcemain gravity sanitary sewer thatwould have tobe improved there AndthatsanexampleofapropertyownerdevelopaprojectTheCitywouldnotparticipateinany
ofthatinfrastructure atthis timethatarepracticed
Aanenson Paul while youreon this mapIjust want toremind the PlanningCommission thata
lift station was identifiedatPowers Boulevard If youremember wedid awetland permit onthatRightoffofPowersBoulevardnorthofPioneerTrailWewentoutandlookedatthat
Oehme Justsouth of212
Aanenson Andwhen the 212 projectwas put in place anticipatingthose improvements whentheygettheMUSAitwassomeofthoseimprovementsweresleevedunderneathsothoseareset
in placeand thatsthe reason why welookedatthe MUSA I just want toexplain that and youll
seethatwhenwecomeback toland usehowtheseall weave together Soin looking atthat
youve gotthat area kindofbetween101 and PowersBoulevard south ofLyman down to
Pioneer and in looking atthat was that enough toservice that area Wait 15 yearsasPaulindicatedkindofdevelopmentdrivenIfsomebodywantstoadvancethatoncethatliftstations
there ifyoulook atthosesub districtsbecauseitcanserveasa larger area Thats howwe went
back and adjusted thatMUSA and thats going back tokindofwhy were having that
neighborhoodmeeting with thatlarger area toexplain someofthatto theresidents downthere
Oehme Yeah and Met Council just requested all theseplans comprehensive plans showthe
howpotentially the city the whole city 100 ofthe city couldbe serviced inthe future Itsnot
sayingthatitwillbe serviced inthe future Its just showinghowitcanbe serviced
Aanenson Yep and alsowe want toprovide an optionas some ofthose lots were put in withoneweknowthebutsomeofthemonlyhaveonedrainfieldsitesoitgivesanoptionfora
residence thatwe builtitintothefinancial model sowellcommunicate thattoo tosome ofthose
areas thatmay not be able tofindan appropriate other drain fieldsite soits just an option
Oehme Sothatisa quickoverview ofthe sanitarycomprehensive plan the draft If youd like Icouldgorightintothewaterandsavequestionsforlateror
McDonald Yeah unless theyhave questions
Papke Ivegot one before we maybe before wego anyfarther Correct me ifImwrong but theMUSAexpansionareathisisaradicalchangefromthelasttimeIsawthismapImeanthelast
time Isaw aMUSA map southernChanhassen atleast where Ilive was2020
Aanenson Correct
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Papke And nowIm2010 and Idonthave anyproblem with that You know Ithink this is agoodgoalbutyouknowIthisisaquestionIgetaskedalotTheresalotofusinsouthern
Chanhassen thatareon septicand well and were alwayscuriouswell youknow when theres
halfthepeople thatwell when canI get sewer and water and theres the otherhalfyouknow
whenare they going totry toshove sewer and waterdownmy throatbecause Imgoingtofightit
youknow every inchofthe way Butsuffice ittosaythatthis isgoing to itprobably will causeareactionandtherereallyisntanynarrativeinthecompplansayingyouknowthisisaradical
change andthis iswhy weredoing it
Aanenson Sure Its inthe land usesection You raise a goodpointand Illgo back tothats
why werehaving thatneighborhoodmeeting toformat that Thecomprehensive plan is alanduseelementsuggestsunderlargelotitsnotthecitygoaltothatsalifestylechoiceandwewant
topreserve and protect that and the council stoodbehind that whenwevedoneotherprojects
For example on Lake Lucy they avoided running the sewer through that but we have included
thatas the City Engineer indicated thatfor afinancial model ifsomebody did wantto Now its
not ourgoaltochange thecharacter ofthe neighborhood What wevesaid isifthoseneighborswanttochangeasawholeandcomeinandsaywedontwantnolongerwanttobelargelots
Thatd be something but wedontintend tojust take one lot11 tosubdivideand change the
character ofthe neighborhood Unless saysomeone hasa failingsystemand theres a waythat
theycanpayand get onto the system wellaccommodate that
Papke Ithink most people understand youknowthats howthegame is played Theonlypoint
Iwas trying tomakeis this is aradical change from whatmost people have seen beforeand
even when Iwent read through theland usesection Ididnt maybe Iglossed overitbutI didnt
Aanenson Itsthere
Papke It is
Aanenson It is there It wasin there the last iteration too and thats again why were havingthe
neighborhood meeting If youlookagaingoing back towhere thatlift stations put inplace offofPowersBoulevarditslookingatthefinancialmodelsItdidntseemlikethatwasenoughto
hold usover the next5 to10 yearsin todays economywith the slow down inresidential itmay
but we want toprovide that opportunityifsomeone wantedtoleap frog over because that lift
stationwith the pipebeing put in place were paying ourselves back For development Soif
someone was toadvance and wantedtogo south and ifthey wantedtopay obviously theresinfrastructureimprovementsNeedtogetaroadwayForexamplethatmightbethegolfcourse
property But theywouldhave toprovideaccess and thenall that ties back towhatwevetalked
about all thoselayers need towork together Soitjustgives moreoptions fordevelopment
Andthats really what thatsabout and againthats why weregoingtohave thatmeeting onthNovember5withtheresidentsdowntheretocommunicatethistothemIfyoulookatwhatwasinvolvedinasIsaidbeforebetweenPowersand101theresjustnotalotofpaybackfor
that You have anumber on thatPaul approximately whatwe think thatlift station
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Oehme Oh just the lift stationalone is about 2 million Significant infrastructure
improvement because basicallyeverything southofthere willeventually flow intothatliftstationandintothetrunkmainthatrunsnorthon101TheresaMetCouncillineso
Aanenson Yeah Soreally untilwe got the sewer model back and lookedatthose numbers
thenwe had togo back and say does itmake sensetokeep ourMUSA line the wayitwas and
thats where that shiftcamein Thats why Iwant togo back and let the residents understandthatCommunicatejustwhatweretellingyoutonightThosesamesortofthings
Papke Imlooking attheland usesection youknowand itdoes show the MUSA and that in
there and itdoes commenton MUSA impacton existing lots and all thatkindofgood stuff and
MUSA staging But itstill Imstillnot
Aanenson If youlookunder thelargelotsections Lets go tothat Ifnot Id be happy tomake
sure that thats clear If youlookunderresidential largelot
Papke What pageare youon
Aanenson Imon page 2 of5
Papke The end of251
Aanenson Oh Welldid youread2 14 Is thatwhat yourereadingis the staging
Papke Yeah Giveitsomethought You know all Imsayingis this is aC change
Aanenson Yeah I needtomakesure thatwhatwe had in there beforeis saying
Papke You know readingthis youknow Iwas Ikept asking myself mygosh this is abig
strategic changein the city and Ikindofanticipated some verbiageorsomethingsaying you
know wevedecided thatyouknow itshould be ourgoalthateverythingswithin MUSAby2015
orsomethinglike that
Aanenson Hereitison page2013 What itsays isthatlargelotsubdivisions thatdonot have
sewer and water shallbe allowedtoremain asitwithout requiring urban services even within the
MUSAarea untilthe majorityresidents state thattheywant tochangetheir use Smallest lots in
these subdivisions are2 1 2 acressothats whattheyve boughtintoso
Papke Yeah wereyouknow werespelling out againwere spellingout the rules ofthegame
but
Aanenson Soyouwant me tophilosophically talk about more in the MUSAphases staging
Papke Yeah Imean itis a radical change from theprevious MUSAplan thatwe andyou
would think we would want tosaysomething in here tothe effectofwell hereswhy were doing
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this Or youknow and Ithink we explain theconsequences and the factthat werenot going to
be forcing this on people Ithink youcovered thatpart realwell
Aanenson Yeah Ithink the challengeiswhen youget down tothat southern area thereslarge
lotpocketsthat wehave towork around
Papke Right
Aanenson Drivingup the cost And reallythats alife stylechoice but Ihear what youre
saying We needtomakesure thatits clearon theplan that the goalis werebringing a larger
area topayfor that but stilllet those peoplethat chose thatlarge lotlifestyle Theyre platted
approved subdivisions tostay thatway
Papke Yeah because from afinancial perspective youknow ifwere paying 2 millionbucks
for alift station thats alarge financialcommitment on the part ofthecity totrytoaccelerate you
know initially weremoving up atleastfor where Ilive by 10 years When were putting in water
and sewer and thats a cash flowsituation for the cityand youwould think thatthecomp planwouldspeaktothatdecisiontoinvestthatmoneyearlieron
Aanenson Good point
McDonald Anyother points orcomments Okay then wellturn itback tostaff tocontinue on
Oehme Okay Nextwellmove tothe waterchapter Chapter9 Justagainjust hit some
highlights in the plan here Water portablewater plant Basically the plan incorporatesa lotof
the same informationthatthe sanitary sewer plan did We usethe existing infrastructure the
wells powersand distributionmain Review the current water demandand some trendsthatwehavehereinthecityWealsolookedagainatthelandusegrowthprojectionsProjectedfor
future water demands for the cityand wemodeled the water system for statically long term fire
flows in the system and lookfor deficienciesthere as well And thenwe alsoagainlooked at
what itsgoing totake todevelop futuredistricts MUSA areasin within the city and costs
associated with that Wereputting the capitalimprovement plan Againthe purposeofthe planissimilartosanitaryplanProvidethecitywithanupdatedplantoservicethefuture
development areasin an orderlyand costeffective way Identify system deficienciesthat we
have currently Sogoing through the plan againwelooked back 10 years approximatelyand
whatthe city lookedlike population and development wise And waterdemand both average
daydemand and thenalso max daydemand Thesystem hastobe designed for a max daydemandtofacilitateirrigationsystemsandlawnsprinklingandjustresidentialusebothinthe
summer peak demandperiods soonce we had all thatdata identified we lookatpeak factors
Basically what the city system needs for those maxday demands Basically quantify exactly
whata peak factor isfrom basically from theaverage daytothe max dateand rightnowwere
about 3 1 average It does fluctuate on a yearlybasis but asthecity grows that peakfactor maytypicallyitgetsrelativelystableWearerightnowataboutwhat31peakfactorwhichisa
little bithigher than theDNR would like tosee usatbut againwedohave a lotoflargelots We
do have a lotofinfrastructure irrigation systems in thecity sothey do usequite a bit ofwater
during the summer months Heres afigure just showing what ouraverage daydemand hasbeen
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over thelast say20 years Soithasbeengoingup ata regularbasis This graph shows what we
looked back in 2006and looked atwhat ourpeak demand daywasand we graphedout what thehourlydemandwasandthisgraphshowsonanhourlybasiswhatthedemandwasOnthe
vertical access itshows what the percentageofdemand is versus compared toourcapacity atthat
time with all 10 wells Withall of the 10 wellsso basicallyat100 all of ourwellsaregoing
off and putting as much water intothe system asyoucansoyoucanseethatatbasically 4 00 in
the morningwereonlyusingapproximately halfofour wellsbut when we get intoyou know800inthemorningtheresalotofirrigationsystemsgoingoffandactuallyasyougetlaterin
the daywe the wellsbasically areat fullcapacity and wereactually drawingdown ourwell or
ourtowers atthat time sobasically during theday soonce weget tothemax time during the
morninghourswhich areright around 9 00 or 10 00 After thatitdoes decrease somewhat and
thenshoots right back up againat6 00 inthe afternoon whenpeople come home after work andstartirrigatingagainsoyouknowwhatthisisshowingisthatyouknowwedliketohavealittle
bitofa letdown inthe middaytimeframe one ourtowers tocatch up and two formaybe our
wells and our aquiferstoget a little rest before theafternoon peak periodtoo so And the DNR
youknowdoes have some recommendations on howtotrimoff someofthepeak periods during
the afternoon timeframe too sowerelooking atyouknow tryingtolookatsome conservationmeasureshereinthenearfuturetotrytohaveasystemthatbothisyouknowcanmeetthe
demands ofthecity but yet addresssomeofthe concerns thatwe have infrastructurewise to so
were not havingtoput up hugetowersor havingtoput inadditional wells toaccommodate the
peak demandperiods So wedid lookagain atthe existingsystem We did modelthe system for
fire flow demands and ISO means insurance service office which we get ourinsurance throughhasrecommendationsonresidentialandcommercialunitsandwhattypicalfireflowsfireflows
they would like toseeinthose areas Id happy toreport that the city does have a pretty good
system interms ofwhen fire flows areneeded we canaccommodate thosetype ofsystems We
did identify 3 areaswithin the city One is basically canbe addressed in future developments
taking place northof 7 The Landscape Arboretum thoseexisting new buildings areheavilyirrigatedsothefiremarshalfeelsconfidentaboutthatsystembeingadequateAndalsoalittle
developmentdown in Coulter Boulevard whichtalking about with the fire marshal we dohave
adequate fire hydrant capability out in thatarea totap intoa trunkline toaccommodateanyfire
issuesout in thatarea soall thoseareashave orwillbe addressed inthe future byfuture
developments Again we looked atwhat the city potentially could looklike in the future both 5101520yearsoutIdentifiedwhatthezoningandfuturelanduseswouldbePluggedin
approximately land uses and looking atstandard tables thatthe cityhasfor each type ofland use
orresidential useor office industrial type ofcomponents We canpretty well identify what our
future demands willbe here in thecity You know even ifa shoppingmalldown on Lyman
Boulevard willtakeplace we feelconfidentthatthe its nota dramaticchange in whatwe areprojectingourneedswouldbetoaccommodateafacilitysuchasthatnatureWedidlookat
again thewell situation that we have here inthe city Yourewell aware we did have some
problems with acouple ofourwellshere in the city Werelooking at addressingthatissuethis
winterintothe nextspring sowe did lookatourcapacitiesofexisting wellsthatwehave right
nowand projectedout what our anticipatedneeds for ourwells wouldbe tosupply demand forthecitysoLookedatallthatandlookedatthetotalcapacityversusthefirmcapacitywhich
firm capacity basically identifieswhat the system wouldlooklike ifone ofyour majorwells
would be down for service or had some problemssothats the firmcapacities and youwant to
base your system around And wealsolooked atyouknow treatmentfacility sizes neededfor
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the westwatertreatmentplant Basedupon thatinformation we rolled all ofthe needs and for
newinfrastructuring toa capitalimprovementsplan again You know inthe next 15 years werelookingatapproximately32millionworthofnewinfrastructureandweregettingalotofthis
infrastructurerelated todevelopments New wells New storage tank facilities New trunk
mains Thosetype ofthings Thosewill all be infrastructure coststhatwould be paidthrough by
connectioncharges rolled intoourrate structurethatwecurrentlyhave sono new surprises here
And based upon that information youhad me lookatthe what the future trunksystemwouldlooklikebothpipewiseandwellsandtowerssoweveidentifiedcorridorsforthefuture
watermains lines sizes based upon models and the zoning and the land usethatwere looking at
Weve identified two potential locations for low zone water tower Werelooking atneeding in
probably around the 20 10 to20 15 timeframe a new1 million gallonwater tower inthe low
zone Identified twolocations One firstoption wouldbe on Powers Boulevard AnotheroptionwouldbeonLymansomeplacesoandthosewouldbedevelopmentdrivenNeed
putting thatinfrastructureup when its needed And thenwed alsohave a need for a new water
tower in thehigh zoneand the onlyopportunity that we seeright nowfor a newwater tower is
on the existing site ofthe MelodyHills tower Right nowthat towers about 200 000gallons and
wereprojecting wereneeding about 750 000 gallons for that station SoweveidentifiedandpurchasedlandactuallyforthewestwatertreatmentplantsiteonGalpinBoulevardinthelast3
years herenowsothats been addressed And sothis map just shows what the existing
infrastructure lookslike and where newinfrastructurepotentially would go Andagaininthis
chapter werejust showing whatthe MUSA stagingareaswould potentiallylooklike so Thats
quickly what the water comprehensive planincludes If youhave anyquestions relating tothischapteraswellIdbemorethanhappytotrytoanswerthem
McDonald Do wewanttodo questions on this orwellgo for the publiccomment first
Papke Ivegot one
McDonald Okay go ahead
Papke Imon aroll tonight
Aanenson Good welike comments Before Icametothe meetingtonight whileIwas
watchingthe evening news itwasall about Atlanta and their water supply drying up and weve
had two wellsgo dryand the aquifers dropping and maybe I misseditbut Ithink the water
section heredoes a great job ofyouknow hereswhat were going to heres all thecapital
improvements were going todo Heres ourbuildout strategy but Ididntsee itand maybe IjustglossedoveritbutIdidntseeanycommentaryofgeezshouldwebeworriedaboutthis
aquifer Are there issues Isthis going tocause ustoreact in someway Did I miss itor
McDonald No youkindofstole mythundertoo becauseIdidntseeit You knowthat wasthe
onething Iwaswondering about too is dowe needtoworryabout anything
Oehme Andagain the aquiferissues a regionalproblemthatactually Plymouth and someother
surrounding communitiesare experiencing right nowtoo You know we did talk about ita little
bitin terms ofthe peakperiod demands in oneofthe sectionsbut maybe thats something we can
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hitupon alittle bitmorein the finaldraft butits itcomesback toyouknow whats whatsthe
bestroute for the citytoimplementthosetype ofnewinitiatives Youknow itsgot tobe youknowstaffcanrecommendthingsbutintermsofputtingthemintoaplanandadoptionthats
another thing You know theresa lotof theres a lotofdifferentview points on howwe should
be using ourwater right nowso You know its one thing that maybe we didntstresshard
enough but maybe weshouldin the future Imean weve got alaundry listofthingsthatwed
like tostart takinga lookatand trying toimplementbut
Papke To that point the about howwe useourwater The other thingIdidntseein herewas
arewe goingtoput anythingin the compplan about howwere going toencourage future
conservation orwhatkindofguidelines weregoing toput inplace Imeanwere all weveall
become accustomed totheyouknow annual summerwatering bans Arewegoingtotry tostressthatmoreinthefutureArewegoingtotrytobeefupourcapacitysowedonthavetodo
that anymore Are we going totry todo some conservationeducation programs You know
youd think somewhere within thewaterplan wed wanttosay something about whatweregoing
todotomanage the demandside
McDonald Yeah ifI canjust interrupt on that Imeanthe one thing Inoticedis youvegot the
numbersas towhat the peaks areand everything The questionbecomes canwemaintainthose
and ifwe cant what arewe going todo And then partofthat is youknow weneed toeducate
the public thatyouvegot toget thesenumbers down whichmeans yeah youmay not be
watering your lawns asmuchanymore That should be somethingthatwe address
Papke Because oneofthe things Iknow for electricity Imon aprogram where my monthly
rates are lower because they puta boxon the side ofmyhouse thatdoesntallow myair
conditioner torunatcertain peak times You know shouldwebe doing somethinglike thatwith
the water where welltake 5 offyour water billifwecanthrottle back your water demand or IdontknowYouknowImjustthrowingoutcrazyideas
Oehme Were looking atall that stuff right now Were looking ata tiered rate structures right
nowfor the highusers The residentialhigh usersbecausethats really where itcomesdown to
The high residentialusers They shouldreally be payingfor a lotofthis infrastructurethatwehavebaseduponyouknowandthatswheretheneedisSowerelookingatthatWedohave
some conservation measures on the web siteright nowand maybe we should tiesome ofthose
issues the restofthoseitemsintotheir report
Papke Ithink itwouldbe good You know historyhasshown that residentsoften aska lotofquestionschallengingquestionsonthingsthatareinthenewsandrightnowyouknowwater
supplys inthe news and actually wekindofglossed overthis in the transportation plan but
bridgesfalling down arein the news You knowitmight behoove ustoput a paragraph in there
saying youknow all ofourbridges areshown toyouknow were notgoing tohave anybridges
falling down in the next10 years orsomethinglike that You know whatIm saying
Aanenson Yeah Well Ithink youraise a goodpoint and there areregulationsofwhat theDNR
expects for kindofthe average flow and the council as Paul said is discussing this already
Wereworking looking atsomeordinance revisions Working with the Environmental
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Commission We talked about this with some ofyouknow looking atotherways toget
conservation easement Aproject comesin Whether its industrial orresidential Allthelandscapingtechniquessowedonthavetowaterasmuchsothoseareallthethingsweneed to
doas we moveforward Wecantmaintain the same peak going up so allthosethings areon the
table but Ithink what youresaying is right Weneedtoput thatin the goals
Papke Ithink so
Aanenson Todevelop policies and ordinances toreduce the demandsoIthink that maybe needs
tobe added in in thatsection
Oehme We do have an emergency managementand conservation plan thatthe cityhasandactuallywedidsendthatovertotheDNRThathastobeupdatedIthinkevery3or4years
DNRs already taken a look at They gave commentsback tous We are going tobe visiting
with the council on that in the nearfuture too so Imean weshouldhave this as that plan as an
appendices tothis one so wearelooking atreviewingthat too but we shouldmaybe tie that tie
thatintothis atthis point as well
McDonald Okay
Aanenson Good comments
McDonald Any other questions orcomments beforeI Well this is apublic meeting so Iwill
open itup tothe public and anyonewishing tocomeforward and speak on either the
transportation aspectsor thewater sewer aspectscan do sonow AndIguess seeing no one
come forward atthis point againwerenot goingtoclose thepublicmeetings They will
continue tostay openbut youknow Iwouldencourage anyone out there with anycomments togetintouchwithcitystafforyouknowcomedowntocityhallthemselvesandaskforsomeone
and theyllshow youmaps and everything With thatI guessIllbringitback up tothe
commissioners for anyfinalcommentsor suggestions ifyouonlyhave Kevin Illstart with
you
Dillon No Iam thankful that hewatched the news tonight and brought that up Thats kindof
agoodone Andyeah Imeanits very timely Imeanall of usI think facedsome burned up
grass this summerand wedontwant thattohappen Butwe dontwant tobe youknow water
hogs either soanyways Good presentations and goodcommentsfrom my fellow
commissioners
McDonald Okay Kurt
Papke Ivesaid enough tonight
McDonald Kathleen
Thomas No Idon thave anycomments
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McDonald Mark
Undestad Allsaid Good job
McDonald Well the onlyother thing IguessI wouldadd thatIwas holdingback on sewers one
ofthe thingsthatIkindofwonder about thats comeup beforeatthe Planning Commission
before When we design for capacity and Imnot sure quitehowtoaskthis Are wegoingtobeokayifsayourlanduseweretochangeYouknowhowmuchIguessaccommodationdowe
have within that Are we okay with the current plan for the lift stationswevegot ifthatwere to
all go tosinglefamily residentialdown there would we be covered and everythingand thatwas
something thatgoes tothewater too but I wasntsure Iheard that
Papke Yeah Imean we did look atthat especially for the sanitary sewer plan You know with
the regionalmall being proposedout there We did lookatcapacity for sanitary sewer and water
in thatarea and youknow based uponouranalysis for thatone youknowactually medium
density type ofusagewould actually be more ofa demand on the system thansay a regionalmall
so just for an example But youknowthe data that we have and theprojections that we havetherearefudgefactorsthatweplaceintothosecalculationssothereissomeadditionalcapacity
always inherently added intothe system thatwe alwaysinclude sothere is somecapacity Im
not saying in every instancethatwe would nothave torecommend some other usage ifsaya
Coca Colaplantwould comein orahigher water demandtype ofthing so You knowall those
things wed definitely take alookaton a casebycase basis but basicallyon a MUSAphasingareabyMUSAphasingareawherewerelookingatsmallersectionsoflandyouknowwefeel
prettycomfortable thatthis plan canaddress minor changes in thoseregions
McDonald Okay Kate with thatIllgive itbacktoyoufor anyfinalwordsthatyoud like to
giveus
Aanenson Again wed be happy totalk toanybody thats interested in additional information
Again wejust tried tohit thehigh points and I appreciate your comments Veryconstructive and
Ithink those areappropriate that our residents would appreciate someadditionalinformation so
wellproceed Our goal whenweget toourmeeting inJanuary we have onemeeting in JanuarythThefirstmeetinginJanuaryisactuallytheholidaysothethirdTuesdaywouldbeJanuary15
What we wereproposing then istake your comments and anyofthe publiccomments and share
with youhowwelladdress thoseand modify the texttoaccommodate thatso
McDonald Okay Illlookforward toall that then With that thenI guess thecomprehensiveplanpresentationsatleastfortonightthenweveconcludedwiththose
APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Thomasnoted the verbatim andsummary
minutes ofthe Planning Commission meetingdated October 2 2007 aspresented
COMMISSIONPRESENTATIONS None
Chairman McDonald adjourned the meeting at8 15 pm
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SubmittedbyKate Aanenson
Community DevelopmentDirector
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND
RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
SUMMARY MINUTES
OCTOBER 23, 2007
Chairman Stolar called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT: Glenn Stolar, Steve Scharfenberg, Thor Smith, Paula Atkins and Jeff
Daniel
MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Kelly and Dan Campion
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation
Superintendent; and John Stutzman, Recreation Supervisor
Commission members Atkins, Scharfenberg, and Smith gave updates on the project tours that
occurred prior to the meeting of the off leash dog area, Rec Center ballfield construction, and the
Lake Ann Park picnic shelter and ballfield lighting projects. Todd Hoffman gave an update on
the progress of the construction projects at Lake Ann Park.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Scharfenberg moved, Daniel seconded to approve the agenda,
amended to include an update under commission member presentations by Commissioner
Atkins on the Arts Council meeting and the Halloween Party update. All voted in favor
and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS: John Stutzman reminded the commission of the Halloween
Party on Saturday, October 27th and asked for volunteers.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Daniel moved, Scharfenberg seconded to approve the
verbatim and summary minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated
September 25, 2007 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously
with a vote of 5 to 0.
2008 FOURTH OF JULY - 25TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION. Jerry Ruegemer
presented the staff report on this item, reviewing what activities have taken place over the years,
and asked for suggestions for the 25th anniversary celebration. Commissioner Scharfenberg
asked about hosting a softball tournament. Commissioner Daniel suggested showcasing
landmark features of the city and important events that have occurred over the last 25 years.
Commissioner Atkins asked about t-shirts and incorporating the design of the first t-shirt. The
commission discussed ways to promote and advertise the event by displaying past t-shirts at local
businesses and activities throughout the week leading up to the celebration throughout the
community. Commissioner Daniel suggested having a beach concert at Lake Ann Beach.
Chairman Stolar suggested doing events 25 days leading up to the 25th celebration. Todd
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Hoffman displayed all the t-shirts that have been collected from the past 24 years. Activities
such as a dunk tank, all night softball tournament, family games, teen band and the theme for the
parade and celebration were discussed.
RECREATION PROGRAM REPORTS:
2007 PICNIC SITE EVALUATION. Jerry Ruegemer reported that overall it was another
successful picnic season with the number of picnic users and revenues up. Commissioner
Atkins asked to see a drawing at the next meeting of the picnic shelter being construct at the
Parkview site. Chairman Stolar suggested doing routine maintenance to clean up some of the
shelters, and providing recycling bins at the picnic sites.
2007 TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY. John Stutzman reminded the commission of the tree
lighting ceremony which will be held on Saturday, December 1st from 5:00 to 6:00.
COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS. Paula Atkins updated the commission on the
progress of the Arts Council meetings.
ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET. None.
Daniel moved, Scharfenberg seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the
motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Rec Director
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND
RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 23, 2007
Chairman Stolar called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT: Glenn Stolar, Steve Scharfenberg, Thor Smith, Paula Atkins, and Jeff
Daniel
MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Kelly and Dan Campion
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation
Superintendent; and John Stutzman, Recreation Supervisor
Stolar: First if Todd or Steve or Paula or Thor want to talk a little bit about the tour that you
went on at 5:30. Give a little update. Paula, start with you.
Atkins: We visited the dog park and met with Marty Walsh and Lenny Schmidt. And what is
Lenny's?
Hoffman: Lenny's an Assistant for Carver County Parks.
Atkins: Went for a walk along the trail. Saw the fence and the layout and it's incredible. Well
above my expectations and it's going to be a show piece I think. Then we visited the new
ballfield at the Recreation Center. And we, the new park shelter site at Lake Ann on top of the
hill. That ground breaking is taking place and it's coming, it looks a lot different flatten out and
ready to start building I think.
Stolar: Okay.
Smith: Don't have any additional.
Scharfenberg: To reiterate what she said about the off leash dog park. It's going to be a very big
draw I think. It's a phenomenal layout. The paths are great. A great mixture of open space and
wooded areas and it's going to be a great place to go with or without a dog.
Stolar: Thanks.
Atkins: I have one more comment. I liked what Marty said about it being a people place. Not
just a dog place. It's going to be a meeting, a gathering place for dog lovers, of which there are
many. I think it's amazing.
Stolar: Thanks. Well I look forward to the opening, official opening in the spring. Any other
comments? Todd.
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Hoffman: Chair Stolar, a couple comments about the Lake Ann Park project. As I have raised in
my report, both projects are significantly behind schedule. A couple of issues. The wet weather.
The contractors both chose not to show up for the first 30 days of, after their award because they
had other projects, other work underway with the hopes that they would have good weather here,
which did not happen. Those 30 days were the only dry days of the first 60 days of the project so
they started showing up and the rain began. And then we also had supplier issues on both
projects. The shelter building will not be here until January and lighting standards themselves,
the corten, all weather and steel will not be here until December and so they anticipated that the
poles would be some of the first things on the project. In fact that's one of the first things I asked
if, were could we store the poles because we think they're going to show up early. That's
changed. Now the poles will not be here until December and so basically looking to see happen
is both contractors are going to get all their work done that they need to get done before freeze
up. Sub-grade. Concrete. Some rough grading and then we're going to wait and do winter
work. Winter construction so they can pull wires, set the light poles and actually we're not
concerned, in fact we think it's going to be a better product hauling all the light poles around
Lake Ann Park with the wet soils that we have right now. If the poles were here and ready to set
we would damage those ballparks probably beyond what we would ever want to see and so once
they're hard frozen, they'll be able to drive right out onto them and have little or no damage for
the spring. But we fully anticipate that both projects would be done for start up of the park in the
spring. We do have liquidated damages on both projects but liquidated damages require that you
have actual damages and when the parks are closed and nobody's there in the winter, you're not
incurring damages. But if the softball season starts and the picnic season starts, we will start
charging them a daily fee for the inability to use those facilities and then just take that off of the
project cost.
Stolar: Any questions for Todd on that update? Okay.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Scharfenberg moved, Daniel seconded to approve the agenda,
amended to include an update under commission member presentations by Commissioner
Atkins on the Arts Council meeting and the Halloween Party update under old business.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Stutzman: The Halloween Party is coming up this Saturday, 5:30 to 7:30 at the Rec Center. The
registrations are coming in fast. The last week or so they've really picked up. We're now about
125 and I anticipate they'll keep going and I'm sure we'll get registrations at the door as in the
past. The school flyers have been the biggest things that have been coming in. Marked with the
orange flyer that we sent out with the registration attached have been coming across my desk and
the rec center consistently so that's good to see that that advertising is working. The biggest
thing I have is to see if any of you, I know I've heard from some of you but who is able to come
join us that evening and if you are, what duties and if you need a costume. I have the list for
both those right here if you guys want to take a look at them.
Daniel: Absolutely.
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Stutzman: It should be a wonderful evening. We've actually gained a second piece of
entertainment through just somebody trying to set a world record of the most escapes, 24 hour.
24 escapes in 24 different cities and he's an illusionist, magician who is going to come out after
our main entertainment and escape from a chain. Escape from being chained to a bed of nails.
So we will put him on right after our other entertainer and see what happens. He sounds very
enthusiastic and he really seems excited that we're going to give him an audience. He was
saying he was going to be there at like 1:00 in the morning. He's like I'm going to get out, have
the witness and move on so the fact that there's an audience for him, he's very excited about
which is an added bonus for entertainment that doesn't cost us anything and adds another piece to
the Halloween Party.
Hoffman: I suggested he cover it up with a big black sheet and you wheel him out into the
audience area and pull it up. There he is. Chained to the bed of nails.
Stutzman: Well he and I were discussing how much the bed of nails actually weighs because of
how many nails it takes and so he was asking me if he could make sure to have some help
bringing the bed of nails in, and I'm sure we can arrange something so.
Hoffman: Something you don't normally see.
Ruegemer: Did you guys, if Mayor Furlong, is Mayor Furlong coming?
Stutzman: I have not heard for sure yet.
Ruegemer: You know he needs, the illusionist needs official witnesses for this so if you guys
would like to be the official witnesses as well so.
Hoffman: That's authentic right?
Ruegemer: Authentic, right. Yep.
Hoffman: You can check the chain.
Stutzman: And one other thing Commissioner Daniel, I did get you the Darth Vader costume.
Daniel: I will sign up for that.
Stutzman: It does not have the light saber though.
Daniel: I do have one.
Stutzman: It does require black pants. It's just got the chest piece, the cape and the mask so.
Daniel: No problem.
Stolar: I left the Darth Vader for you.
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Daniel: Thank you very much.
Stolar: Oh it says you have 2 there, right? Or is it just one?
Stutzman: Just one.
Stolar: It says one is extra large though.
Stutzman: Yeah. It's a larger, a large extra large size rather than the small, medium, large, extra
large.
Stolar: Also I'll probably, my kids will probably help hand out some candy too so if you need
extra ones, they'll probably be there.
Stutzman: Okay. And the Key Club has been very generous once again this year. I did get that
worked out and last week when I spoke to the new representative for them, there was 25 and said
she was going to leave it up for another week and I'm going to get in touch her tomorrow.
Stolar: Great. Any questions?
Daniel: Yes, we want to know what costume you're going with.
Stutzman: Skeleton.
Stolar: I'll try that one. I might change when I get there. I'll have to see what the skeleton one is
like.
Daniel: You're not going with the bunny?
Stolar: I'm not going with the, no.
Daniel: Is that what you were once?
Stolar: No, I was Sylvester.
Daniel: That's right, the cat. Sylvester.
Stolar: Well I couldn't breathe in the dang thing. It kept coming down and I couldn't breathe.
And then I finally was Bugs Bunny, I figured that'd be just as bad.
Stutzman: I'm having a hard time selling the Bugs Bunny.
Stolar: The ones that have the masks that go over you know, the big head things. Especially if
it's, wasn't it a warmer night? I can't remember but it was warm inside. Okay. Any other public
announcements? Other items. Okay.
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VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Daniel moved, Scharfenberg seconded to approve the
verbatim and summary minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated
September 25, 2007 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously
with a vote of 5 to 0.
Stolar: As a follow-up to a point that was in the minutes, we had talked about looking at a TV in
the Rec Center when we redo the lounge there. Was that ever discussed or looked at as far as
budget do you know?
Ruegemer: I didn't know when that was? For '08?
Stolar: Yeah.
Hoffman: What budget?
Stolar: For part of the furniture change to maybe get a flat screen so that we can put
announcements.
Daniel: With more of a reader board.
Hoffman: Still looking at that. Yep. Furniture is budget. Fitness room equipment and the
screen we're going to talk to our GIS folks and see if we can't get that hooked into our computer
system that we already have. We actually, there's some irony. When we talked about this last
and the next thing to walk into Tom's door was a gentleman who was marketing you know very
nice, all you know manual, letters and calendars on the side. Advertisements. And we're like,
no, that's old technology. We're moving away and going with a flat screen TV so we can just put
power points up there. You can type up little circular things.
Daniel: Like a computer monitor basically.
Stolar: And one thing I saw was, I forget where I saw this. They were actually doing you know
infrequent but noticeable ads to help pay for it. I don't know if that's something we would also
consider. Not just advertising our stuff but advertising other people's stuff. Or even getting
someone to just you know, sponsor it. Okay. I just noticed in the minutes that we had talked
about that.
2008 FOURTH OF JULY - 25TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION.
Ruegemer: Thank you Chair Stolar. City of Chanhassen is very much approaching an exciting
time. We're coming up on our 25th anniversary in 2008 for really our signature community
event, the 4th of July celebration. We as a staff certainly have been talking about this for quite a
while now as far as any kind of, where's the framework going to be? What's the model going to
be on the 4th of July celebration for our 25th anniversary? Are we going to do special things?
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Are we going to have you know different community relationships involved and that sort of
thing in here. What I wanted to do tonight, and certainly what John would like as well is, kind of
get feedback from the Park and Rec Commission, if there's really any special ideas that you guys
really would like to see kind of carry forward into the 25th to make it even more of a special
event. We would welcome all comments tonight as really kind of a brainstorming, kind of a
mission tonight so we can really have, certainly many of the components that we have in place
certainly will be carried through but there's any special things from the past that you'd like to see
incorporated back into the schedule of events, we certainly can take a look at all of that
information tonight and kind of, I'd really like to get some major ground work kind of laid
tonight if we could with ideas and whether it be marketing or t-shirt designs…that sort of thing.
I just kind of jotted down a couple things, but really the floor is wide open. Discussion is wide
open tonight and we're certainly, gather your feedback tonight so we can kind of continue to
move forward on that so. That's really kind of what I was looking for tonight from the
commission and entertain your thoughts and comments.
Stolar: Actually you know what, we'll just throw it out but.
Scharfenberg: Jerry have we, has the City ever done or maybe in conjunction with another
group like Rotary or Lion's Club or something like that, have they ever done a softball
tournament over the 4th of July here?
Ruegemer: I'll try to give you just some, as I was trying to think through my tenure here. We've
done ice cream socials. Inner tube relays. Fishing demonstrations. Hula hoop contest. Limbo
contest. Music down at the beach. We have done softball tournaments. We haven't done horse
shoe tournaments but somebody had mentioned that to me during 2007. Obviously we've done
melodramas. Free food picnics. I mean we've done a lot over different things in the 25 years
that the celebration has been going on. The softball tournament has probably been, about the
mid 80's was probably about the last time. Probably about when the parade started. The softball
tournament was kind on it's way, yeah. That's pretty much was kind of the downfall of that.
You know the teams were kind of starting to kind of peter out a little bit and you know some of
our focus was you know kind of focused on the parade. We just kind of shifted gears a little bit
but you know that's something that we've done in the past.
Stolar: What day is it? Is it a Wednesday, Thursday next year?
Hoffman: Thursday, Friday.
Ruegemer: It's a Thursday, Friday I believe.
Stolar: So it starts Thursday evening with the.
Hoffman: Street dance. The softball tournament was primarily dominated by young teams and
young adults. Then as they, as the league, summer league that we operated aged, that's who you
draw from and then some outside teams. They had families and they were going to family
activities. It became very difficult for them to field the teams over the 4th of July holiday. So,
but it went on for a lot of years.
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Atkins: We had kitten ball tournaments one year? We kind of had neighborhood teams. I
remember playing in that. That was fun. It was hot. And there was just a few teams. It seems
like, when the parade came back we shifted most things from Lake Ann back into town. Or
gradually it has because it seemed like in the beginning a lot of the stuff was at Lake Ann, yeah.
We're go out there and spend, we'd go out there at 7:00 in the morning and stay til midnight.
And then things started happening in town when they brought the parade back, and that was the
year of the Centennial?
Ruegemer: '96.
Atkins: '96, yeah. So.
Stolar: I guess one of my questions on that was, and not to put a lot of burden on you guys but
since it's right by a weekend. So for example if we wanted to look at something like that, could
we even extend it into Saturday with something small on Saturday such as you know, follow up
with a softball tournament. Something, I think it gives us a little bit of flexibility there. Other
items?
Daniel: Actually I have a couple. One would be, as far as the t-shirt or theme. Has the
recreation department started going down the path as far as how you want to go about doing that
or what do you want to do as far as marking the 25th either from a theme standpoint or t-shirts?
And some of the ideas that I have, and I figure you know in the 25 years that we've had this
celebration, a lot has come up since 1982 and some things have been, I suppose has put
Chanhassen on the map. Maybe there are some of the things from the last 25 years maybe we
want to take a look and honor. You know such as, I mean obviously the Dinner Theater's been a
long time but if people throughout the Midwest recognize the Dinner Theater as a landmark in
our city. I think the Arboretum falls into that category as well and, like it or not you know other
artists as well. Or formerly known as.
Stolar: Yeah that'd be good if you can get Prince to do…
Daniel: Not only for that but you know certainly acknowledge.
Atkins: You know what we've got to do.
Daniel: …with regards to him but his studio is part of our landmark. It's recognizable and
there's certain things within the city's past 25 years of history I think might be important to
showcase. And talk about whether it be the theme on the overall theme or something we might
want to put on a t-shirt. Those things you know that are important. I think the parade is another
landmark that we do on an annual basis now. That people look forward to. So I mean that
would be some of the ideas that I think maybe as a suggestion that we could take a look at. To
help promote the 25th at least, this past 25 years. Potentially even look, look into the future for
the next 25 years. What's it going to be like at the 50 year anniversary?
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Atkins: I'd also like to look at maybe bringing back the first t-shirt only with different, 25 years
on it somewhere, somehow. I would like to see, I don't remember the first shirt. I mean
obviously they'll be on display, or they are on display?
Hoffman: We've got them on display. We've got them all now.
Ruegemer: Yes, we were talking about a variety of different things. You know if we should
frame them kind of year by year and kind of sporty underneath the big tent at the 3rd of July
street dance.
Stolar: Actually leading up to that, if you frame it, maybe put, ask businesses here to pay for a
framing and we'll put their name on it and then just have it as advertisement. Starting beginning
in March even and have them hang it up in a place in their business. So that they're promoting,
you know pick a year. You get.
Daniel: Some of our sponsors.
Hoffman: Our first thinking was we're going to do 5 at a time so block frame them frames. First
5 years. Second 5 years and then they eventually would be housed out at the walls at the
Recreation Center. And then we'll do a plaque talking about the year of the shirt. Theme. The
artist. Who did it so people can start to talk about some history.
Stolar: Some of our top sponsors, you can just give it to them and say you know, if you would
hang this up and promotion as far as storing them.
Daniel: Leading up to the 4th of July and after the 4th of July, transfer the items over to the
Recreation Center and hang it there. And the other thing too, and I've got two items here. I
thought one would be, that was certainly one idea. The second is, regarding like a little beach
concert. I think that's you know, Jimmy Buffet, that type of beach concert whether, either
shortly after the, following the fishing contest which, what time of day do you usually end that?
Hoffman: Noon, 11:00.
Daniel: That's the perfect transition. That's when the families start to come out during that
weekend. Go to the beach and get their spot and maybe set up a little stage. Let somebody play
for a couple hours you know, fits part of the budget. That plays that style of beach music you
know. People can gather around and however you want to orientate that, I think that'd be
fantastic.
Hoffman: In the area that Paula was talking about, we had a concert before the fireworks
scheduled at about 6:00. Led into the fireworks. Very popular.
Atkins: After the fishing contest people come and line up for the parade now.
Daniel: Oh that's right.
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Atkins: Lake Ann is almost deserted there during the parade I'm sure. And that was kind of nice
having music out there in the evening I thought. Even a big band type, Sousa band type.
Patriotic band…but I like the mellow music better. Actually I was going to suggest a concert too
possibly on the 3rd with the Sousa type music. Patriotic band music. At some point. I don't
know where that would fit in though because people come to expect what they know and if we
change things around too much they'll get confused.
Stolar: And again I don't know what our budget is…
Atkins: Or even, because it's a long weekend, even the Wednesday night before we could do a
kick-off almost. Because it's Thursday, Friday. People are going to take the long weekend.
Scharfenberg: Do it as part of the outdoor concert series.
Stolar: I was kind of thinking that same thing. Actually so Thursday you could do a kick-off
Thursday over here before, aren't those Thursday noon sometimes?
Ruegemer: Sometimes they are.
Stolar: Other ideas? Suggestions?
Stolar: I do have one question, on the 25 years of t-shirts. I don't know just how easy this is.
Again I'm just asking, but if you could get where a framed 5 x 5 picture of them and we put that
as one of our auction, or raffle items. I'm just thinking something special in the raffle that
someone can win.
Ruegemer: We talked about if we could do even some type of a photograph and put them on a
poster. That's without going through the expense of framing them.
Atkins: Like with the quilt.
Ruegemer: Because framing's going to be what? $100.
Stolar: $125-$150 a shirt probably. Depends on how we want to do it too. You know like the
doors of, the Doors of Ireland or whatever that…where it's just pictures of it. So you know a
framed poster of it with t-shirts of Chanhassen 4th of July and that's something we could give
away like a grand prize at the raffle or whatever.
Scharfenberg: How about if you did the maple leaf in the middle with the various pictures all
around them or somehow compress into the maple leaf. You're not going to get them all on there
but you know how you've seen stuff like that, superimposed on a maple leaf.
Stolar: That would even be just a silent auction. Because we're getting money for the raffle for
the charities right? Silent auction raffle for that, right. You know have a silent auction, have
them buy the raffle but people can bid on it because that'd be something people would potentially
want…
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Smith: I kind of like Paula's idea of having the first year t-shirt available. Maybe just put it on
the sleeve or something, 25 year. I mean especially with retro being so in, people would, you
know especially if you put the year on there or something you know, people would really like
that.
Daniel: You must have not remembered the 80's too well. I remember those things were as
about as tight as they get.
Atkins: I like the black ones.
Scharfenberg: Jerry in terms of activities or things like that, have you, you know next year is
the, is it the sesquicentennial for the State. 150th. Is there stuff people are doing with respect to
the State that they could be invited here to you know, thought I'd just throw that out. Because I
know the State has grants that they've made available to people to do stuff for that and you know
I don't know if people are for example putting on a production or you know something like that.
There might be something out there.
Atkins: We were talking about, thinking about doing a melodrama and applying for a grant.
Stolar: So maybe in conjunction, I mean you do something about.
Daniel: There's money available that are allocated in the State budget for the celebration, then
absolutely. You know that'd be something available for us as well. I mean that could be passed
down to the city. That'd be a little more palatable then turning to an individual organization. Or
individual. But I guess that's something we could certainly take a look into. Or at least talk to
our representatives about. I think that's a great idea.
Stolar: Is there a way to tie into, again just throwing some ideas. This 25th anniversary, tie in
with something like either, well a couple different things. The Rec Center. You have 25 cent
admission to go use the facilities to celebrate, or even with the Landscape Arboretum. Asking
them if they want to tie in an offer, you know 25% admission. It doesn't have to be something
we program. It's just something that we can tie in schematically.
Scharfenberg: Like for the whole week or something.
Stolar: Yeah, like the Tuesday would be the Landscape Arboretum, 25 cent admission as part of
the. I think we're kind of feeling like it's a week long thing that you want to do something that
we can each day leading up to these activities. With the community you know. Getting the
Chamber involved. Things like that.
Daniel: We could talk to the Rotary about 25 cent beers.
Ruegemer: Maybe $25 pitchers. But yeah, we had kicked around you know the t-shirt design
you know for the most part it's been done professionally. We've talked with vendors and say
here's kind of our theme. Here's some components of the deal. Come back to us with 2-3
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designs. You know and we've talked about a community contest or professional. I think what
we're looking for is kind of feedback on that tonight.
Atkins: Well our theme basically is 25 years, right? Do you have a slogan?
Ruegemer: No we don't but we can develop that criteria but I guess we wanted to see if, is the
commission indifferent on the idea of going professional or community type of.
Atkins: I would much rather see it be a community contest. I liked that year…
(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
Daniel: It adds certainly a different perspective. You could have a larger pool to choose from.
Maybe make it a contest about the fifth graders between Chanhassen and Bluff Creek
Elementary. Maybe that's, at that age a little more creativity than a hand print printed and a
couple finger paintings but.
Atkins: I would even up it to eighth graders.
Daniel: Something up within that age group.
Ruegemer: Eighth and above.
Scharfenberg: When does the high school open?
Stutzman: One year off. One thing too with the theme, whatever we decide as far as where we
take the 25th. A lot of people that I've already started contacting about bringing back for next
year. I know CBO, the band is very excited about the 25th and Melanie has actually said she's
got some ideas she'd like to talk to me as we get closer to, it seems the band grows bigger and
bigger each year and she said oh you know, we can bring in some dancers and some other people
and so she's excited to hear that it was…
Atkins: We need a bigger tent. We actually may need a bigger tent. Bigger dance floor because
it's packed.
Ruegemer: Yeah.
Hoffman: Not very distinguished box but they will be very distinguished by the time they are
displayed. This is year one. First Annual 4th of July Celebration.
Daniel: I can't believe somebody actually held onto that.
Hoffman: Isn't that something? That one was, and this was the other one that we solicited in a
newspaper article and somebody brought this one.
Daniel: Actually that's a really simple but yet classic.
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Hoffman: Second annual. So those are some old ones.
Stolar: On the web site could we…
Ruegemer: We could probably talk to Karen about maybe doing something across the top where
we have all those pictures. You know do the t-shirts.
Ruegemer: We could scan them in somehow.
Stolar: Or take pictures of them. That'd be fun.
Ruegemer: Show them the early 90's.
Stolar: Wait, you want to go off the theme, you could do 25 days til the 25th. You know start
like 24 days in advance to do something. Each of the days leading up to the 25th. It could be
something small but you know again get community involved.
Hoffman: '88's not very clean. '87. '89. And then '90. We're coming up on Chawhassen…
That's a collector's item for sure.
Stolar: So was that when you guys, advertised to get that one.
Hoffman: Most of them were home in my closet. '91.
Ruegemer: I think that's a Jack Johnson one. …yep, that one. That was a community contest.
Chris Hoff did that one.
Hoffman: 1995.
Ruegemer: On '95? Oh.
Stolar: That would be '92 though wouldn't it?
Ruegemer: No, that was '84 it started. Didn't it?
Stolar: Yeah, '84, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Ruegemer: You were missing, I think missing a year in there.
Hoffman: This might the discovery of another lost shirt. Okay, so that's the first annual 4th of
July. Second annual. We don't say on that one.
Ruegemer: Is there a year on it?
Hoffman: No. The next one is '88.
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Daniel: '84, '85, '86, '87, '88. So you should have 5.
Hoffman: So we think this is the '87. '86.
Stolar: But that one says second annual though doesn't it?
Hoffman: This was the one Lori started. Lori did this one. This is the first year I was here was
'87. This was the shirt that I. '87. '88. '89. This is right.
Daniel: So you're missing.
Hoffman: '89. '90.
Daniel: '86 you're missing.
Hoffman: '92. '93. '94.
Stolar: I thought that one was '94.
Daniel: Yeah, '93.
Hoffman: There we go. We've got it. This is '94. '95. The concept here is to have these all box
framed. Cleaned. Box framed. Sprayed up. Cleaned up.
Daniel: Well '93 should be the 10th annual, right? So this is '94.
Hoffman: No, '93 is right there. '94 is.
Daniel: Okay, got it. Good.
Hoffman: '95. '96 is the centennial. Interesting shirt.
Daniel: Well that's really cool. Simple but yet effective.
Hoffman: And here we get into the theme. What was the theme that year for the train? Or the
parade. That was the parade theme. 4th of July. Depot days or.
Ruegemer: I can't remember. The parade, the Rotary had a steam engine in the parade that year.
'99. 2000… That one's brand new. Here we started to save new ones.
Stolar: I know I've said this before on the shirts. Non-white sometimes is better.
Atkins: I agree.
Stolar: I know the problem we run into on the colored ones is obviously the expense.
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Stutzman: But the gray I could definitely look into.
Stolar: The gray even is a little. I noticed that with that one that you guys made the comment
on. Is the gray looks.
Hoffman: Canadian maple leaf.
Ruegemer: Yeah, that was the $1,000 winner right there.
Hoffman: …25 years of history. Isn't it amazing, the first two we found. Somebody had them
in their closet. Look at the colors.
Scharfenberg: Jerry, anything more you need from us in terms of other than t-shirt? Do we
want it as a contest?
Stolar: You said yes. You said yes. I think yes.
Scharfenberg: I'm kind of torn. I think I'd like the professional thing. Give them an idea and let
them come up with something but hey, you know. Contest would be okay too.
Hoffman: People have access to pretty good technology these days.
Atkins: I think the contest last time, wasn't it among high school aged kids? I thought that was
one of the criteria.
Smith: Do you know Todd if the Rotary's planning anything special? I mean I know other than
the parade and the.
Hoffman: They haven't started talking about it yet but it's getter larger, their responsibilities are
increasing on an annual basis so.
Atkins: I was wondering if there would be a meeting they'd be, some other community groups
where everybody could get together and collaborate on an idea and brainstorm.
Hoffman: The one talk is about moving all the activities on the 4th up to the tent so everything
stays at the tent. So the car show doesn't move down and Taste of Chanhassen doesn't move
down because of logistics of moving all that stuff. Just keep it in one location.
Daniel: I think that's a great idea.
Atkins: Yeah.
Stolar: Now on the Saturday after that they'll have the farmers market here too, right? I think
you were out when we talked about doing some sort of concert thing. I don't know if that's also
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an opportunity to take, extend it. From an activities perspective, is there anything that people
want? You know softball tournament was one.
Atkins: Yeah, other kinds of tournaments too might be good, like horseshoes might be kind of
an old fashion type thing. Not so many big teams. I know having played ball, you often have
people, people out of town so you don't have a team.
Hoffman: Play 9 person softball tournament.
Atkins: Yeah. Or mixed couples would be good. Co-ed.
Scharfenberg: Another possibility is just talking to the CAA about running you know kind of
the end of the year ends right around 4th of July and they're doing some end of the year
tournaments. Just talk to them about hey you know, you could play some games, you know
possibly play some games and do something and kind of highlight the fields and you know do
something like that over that weekend. Get a little more activity out there, out at Lake Ann in
addition to all the other stuff that's going on.
Stolar: You know what, we're talking about the Wednesday night beforehand, we'll have all
those fields lighted. Not that you guys want to stay out but a midnight softball tournament.
Hoffman: We talked about that.
Stolar: We have all the fields lighted. You know if people are going to be taking off, start
playing at 7:00 at night and go you know all night.
Daniel: Get it all done at once at Lake Ann. I don't think it'd bother anybody. Except for
Eckankar.
Hoffman: And the deer.
Stolar: You know taking advantage of the fact that now we have all those fields lighted, we
could do it at night.
Daniel: I think you mentioned horseshoes. You could do bocce ball or lawn ball maybe, which
is a very low cost activity to monitor but yet keep people involved so you have sign up sheets for
that tournament.
Hoffman: Well family games used to be the entire group was involved in the family games
going on at the park. Back when there were 200 people present.
Stolar: Another thing that's fun to do, although hard is the, that brings a lot of attention is trying
to set some record. Doing something that the community sets a record. Something to attract
people.
Smith: You mean other than breaking free of a bed of nails.
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Stolar: Have the guy come back and do it again, only harder.
Stutzman: Escape from the ferris wheel.
Hoffman: Have you talked about the commissioner dunk tank.
Stolar: Well I assumed, we talked about that before.
Stutzman: I have that in my notes.
Daniel: I'm all for that.
Stolar: You know it's an election year. We can get some politicians in there. Maybe a
presidential candidate.
Hoffman: Maybe not.
Stolar: You get the democratic candidate, everybody would line up to throw.
Daniel: That'd be a major fundraiser.
Stolar: But if you do do a dunk tank, I'd be happy to sit in it for fun so. No problem.
Scharfenberg: Dunk the mayor or something.
Ruegemer: Done that.
Daniel: Didn't you say that.
Hoffman: Don Chmiel. Year after year after year.
Stolar: Is there enough stuff going on for you know, like the 12 to 15 year olds. I know we did
the skate park and that was great but when that's done, are there enough activities to keep them
active?
Stutzman: With adding the bigger rides. One thing with that is, I would say that the rides helped
a lot. Having coached baseball in Minnetonka, in the past, I actually saw a lot of players that I
knew throughout the league joining the festivities, coming with their parents who were up in the
tent and the kids would wander around throughout the carnival area. And so that has helped but
there, I mean as I get feedback consistently with all our programming, finding something for that
age group is always something we're looking to continue to do.
Ruegemer: We also talked about bringing in a, kind of a teenage band at some point in time
during the celebration. Whether it's warming up for CBO or on the 4th itself to kind of for that
teenage market as well.
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Stolar: Other?
Atkins: I think the theme probably is where you have to start.
Hoffman: 25th anniversary?
Atkins: Yeah, that's the theme but I mean the criteria for the parade for instance is always
dependent on the theme so it has to be a little more, expanded a little more than just that. Unless
that's going to be it. Silver anniversary or whatever.
Stutzman: Well Commissioner Daniel already did the 25 years of Chanhassen could, instead of
just the 25th anniversary. You know 25 years of Chanhassen taking up kind of the iconic things
could be a play off that theme as well.
Hoffman: It's probably a good reason to tie the parade theme in with the overall theme of the
veteran's band going.
Daniel: It's also an election year. Presidential election year. Senate election year. I think that's
part of the criteria for the parade. I mean that's controlled by the Rotary, correct?
Hoffman: They've got it pretty well controlled now.
Daniel: My only suggestion is that everyone has to have something within 25 of their theme.
You know they have to have a sign or something that acknowledges that, I mean I would hope
that that would be part of the criteria from the Rotary. For every participant.
Hoffman: They can no longer walk. They have to ride in a vehicle.
Daniel: Oh they do now? Oh great.
Hoffman: That was when they walk and shake hands, that's when it slows down. We'll bring
back some draft ideas for review.
Stolar: And then for the theme process, are you guys just bouncing ideas off the community
leaders also as far as what some of their thoughts might be? For the theme.
Ruegemer: Certainly can.
Stolar: Great. Thank you. This will be exciting. Very exciting. Next item, basically we talked
about the Halloween Party already. Was there anything else you wanted to talk about on that?
Stutzman: No, I'm good on that.
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RECREATION PROGRAM REPORTS:
2007 PICNIC SITE EVALUATION.
Ruegemer: Thanks again. We did increase our number of picnics this year, which
correspondingly increased our revenue in the picnic area. Certainly Lake Ann and the pavilion at
Lake Susan are certainly the most popular and we did increase our number of people, estimated
number of people at our picnics from about roughly 7,400 to about 9,800 this summer with
company picnics and reunions and all sorts of different things that kind of went on for the year so
we certainly are looking forward to our new picnic shelter out at the Parkview picnic area. That's
certainly going to be a great addition for us and certainly is going to certainly increase exposure
for the park and increase our revenues as well.
Stolar: You're going to commit the tires in the tree?
Ruegemer: Yeah. I hope to double that next year.
Stolar: Okay, good.
Ruegemer: The Parkview site is just not an area that's desired in it's current state.
Stolar: No. It will be so much nicer, yep.
Ruegemer: And then certainly the Lakeside area is not really a highly used area as well, but
people want to use the convenience of a shelter with their, the convenience of if it rains or if it's
hot sun, to get in the shade. Electricity is certainly an important part of that, which is great.
Really probably the biggest area that we saw was the increase was the Lake Susan this year.
What'd we have the year before? 37 up to 52 reservations and that certainly was increased really
during the week is really when we saw a lot of resident, service groups. A lot of businesses
came out during the week as well for that so, I know the commission did talk about lowering that
rate for the business community during the week to have meetings and different team events.
That sort of thing up there so that was for the most part well received so we did increase our
capacity this year and hopefully with the new shelter next year we'll certainly do the same again.
You know I think overall, overall people's impressions are good of our picnic shelters. Certainly
there are issues on garbage and that sort of thing at times. Bees certainly is always an ongoing
issue. And then certainly we're always looking for new ways to mitigate these problems and that
sort of thing but certainly garbage is taking a look at, and cleaned up every day. Power washed a
lot of days and just one of those things so. But you know customers are typically pretty well
informed by the time they call. Holly did a great job this summer handling a lot of the picnic
phone calls and that sort of thing so she's good with customers on the phone. Customers were
very good at returning picnic evaluations and as we gathered feedback and that sort of thing so
there was always comments on there, whether it would be a potential hazard out in the park with
the you know, two lips of concrete different heights, that sort of thing for trip hazards. People
would let us know that so we certainly appreciate that and pass that information onto our park
maintenance staff who did take care of a lot of problems throughout the course of the summer so.
It really in recap, just really looking forward to next year and we'll be coming with new proposed
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picnic fees here probably in November or December of this year for the new picnic shelter at
Lake Ann next year so. Really looking forward to getting that on line. Increase our capacity.
Stolar: Questions.
Atkins: Could you show us the design of this building that's going up on the hill next month
maybe?
Hoffman: Yep.
Stolar: Just one quick thing. I know we had talked about upgrade in our capital improvement
plan for the shelters down the road. After painting and updating, is that something that we're
going to just do out of regular maintenance?
Ruegemer: We certainly can do that.
Stolar: Because I did notice that that was quite, there were quite a few comments on that, so is
that something that we think we can, maybe not one this year. I mean maybe one this year and
one next year.
Ruegemer: I think really Lake Susan is the.
Stolar: The only one.
Ruegemer: Yeah, and that's cosmetic. That is really, that we could take care of. Sentence to
Serve can even probably even paint it to save on labor.
Stolar: Okay. And are there any capital improvements, you said updating? Or is it just really
the painting that we really.
Hoffman: Well we only offer cold water right now. Kind of like a prison.
Ruegemer: The bathrooms are very.
Scharfenberg: Stale.
Stolar: Old. So is that something, for something like that that we would actually wait til we
actually do the refurbishing of them in the capital plan.
Ruegemer: If I remember, that's down the road quite a bit. Paint would certainly be a cheap
investment.
Stolar: I'm sorry, for the updating the bathrooms. Bathrooms can wait but for the painting we
could just do as regular maintenance, okay. And then, and I know I've asked this before.
Recycling bins at the shelters themselves. I know why we don't want to do it all around the park,
but at the shelters themselves, is that something feasible, worth doing?
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Hoffman: Sure. We can try it, yep.
Stolar: Because I remember, not this year but last year when I did my event there, that was one
of the questions they asked. I mean we just bagged it on our own. Great. Thanks.
2007 TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY.
Stutzman: Thank you Mr. Chairman. As scary as it is, this is already creeping up on us. As the
weather gets colder I have started to look into the annual tree lighting ceremony which will be
held Saturday, December 1st at City Center Park at 5:00. Roughly 5:00 to 6:00. I actually have
been in the works with this. I've talked with Mark Halla who has agreed to do Santa Claus, or
provide Santa Claus for us again this year. I've talked with Mark Littfin, the Fire Marshal about
using the fire truck to bring Santa in and they've agreed to do that, and I actually have a meeting
with the Chanhassen Area Chamber of Commerce and Lipinski Accounting who are going to
help us out with this event again. I have that meeting next week to discuss putting this together
already so they have been a big help and continue to work with me. They've been very patient as
the Halloween Party's coming up and my schedule saying, yeah we can wait til next month so it
is creeping up but I'm looking forward to that and that will be at almost, just over a month away.
Stolar: Great.
Daniel: Hopefully weather will cooperate.
Scharfenberg: Did you…last year?
Daniel: I did.
Scharfenberg: That was like.
Hoffman: 10 degrees.
Scharfenberg: 10 degrees. Windy and cold.
Stolar: The bonfire was a popular place last year.
Atkins: Does the Senior Center still participate?
Stolar: Excellent. Great, thanks. Any other questions?
COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS.
Atkins: The Arts Council held a meeting on October 18th, inviting interested people to come and
we got 2 more new artists and we drew up a mission statement and a vision statement and chose
a name. It's, I can't remember. The secretary has all that stuff.
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Hoffman: The name of the group?
Atkins: Yeah, the name of the, the names of the, she took all the boards that we did all our
brainstorming on. Anyway it's a catchy name and we are planning to draw up our Articles of
Incorporation. Open our bank account and apply for a non-profit status in November and then
plan on an event for spring. Spring or summer. So keep you posted.
Stolar: Thank you. Any questions for Paula?
ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET. None.
Daniel moved, Scharfenberg seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the
motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0.
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Rec Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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Administration
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MEMORANDUM
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Paul Oehme Director ofpublic Works City Engineer
Gordy Stauff Engineering Tech IV Construction Manager Ji t
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DATE November 13 2007
SUBJ Accept Street and Utility Improvements in Walnut Grove 2nd
Addition Project No 04 09
Staff has received a letter from Ms Cara Otto of Otto Associates requesting the
City consider acceptance of the public street and utility improvements in Walnut
Grove 2nd Addition Staff has performed a walk through inspection and finds the
improvements acceptable for perpetual maintenance and ownership
It is therefore recommended that the City Council accept the public street and
utility improvements in Walnut Grove 2nd Addition
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Letter from Cara Otto dated August 2 2006
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c Doug Van Orden Klingelhutz Development
The City 01 Chanhassen A growing community with clean lakes quality schools a charming downtown thriving businesses winding trails and beautiful parks A great place to live work and play
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ENGINEERS LAND SURVEYORS INC CITY OF C L NHSSENIRJDWQ
AUG 0 3 2006
August 2 2006 ENGINEERING DEPT
Ms Alyson Fauske
City of Chanhassen
7700 Market Blvd
P O Box 147
Chanhassen MN 55317
RE WALNUT GROVE SECOND ADDITION
Otto Project No 2 02 0568
Dear Alyson
The utilities and street for the WALNUT GROVE SECOND ADDITION project iscompleteandhasbeenconstructedinaccordancewiththeapprovedplansandspecifications
Enclosed are the record plans 1 set of mylars 2 sets of paper drawings 2 sets of tiecardsandadigitalfileoftheplansandtiecards
On behalf of the Developer I am requesting that the Chanhassen City Council accepttheimprovements
Sincerely
Otto Associates
Engineers and Land Surveyors Inc
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Cc Doug VanOrden Klingelhutz Development
9 WEST DIVISION STREET BUFFALO MINN 55313 763 682 4727 FAX 763 682 3522172
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