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14a Skate Park 1999CITYOF 612.93Z 1900 Gc,er, d fi, m 612. 93 L 5 73 9 Fax 612. 93.2 9t 52 E~x 612. 934.2524 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council ._....e,/,/~ FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director DATE: February 16, 1999 SUB J: Skate Park '99 The 1999 Park and Trail Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program includes $15,000 for a "Skate Park." The first ingredients of a skate park were included in the re-construction of City Center Park. The concept of a skate park has been a Park and Recreation Commission agenda item for 18 months. In order to complete the project as currently envisioned by the Park and Recreation Commission, additional dollars will need to be raised and a project management committee forme& How would the City Council like me to proceed? Options include: Form a Grass Roots committee to raise additional capital and manage the design and construction process. 2. Construct what we can using the $15,000. 3. Postpone the project. Some background information is attached. pc: Park and Recreation Commission CITY OF City Council Meeting - See ~mber 22, 1997 Don Ashworth: Well it has been awfully wet too. Councilman Senn: Wow! I was kind of taken aback so to speak. In the, let's see, there's a second item. Letter to Andrew Spevacek I think it is. We've had two or three conversations on this now and this letter still says, which was just written here this past week. Today plans are being made to construct such a facility in City Center Park regarding the skating park. I really don't, I thought we agreed that we were going to put the brakes on that whole discussion on it and we were going to kind of get back to look at it...these types of facilities. Yet here we are still sending letters out to our residents kind of telling them it's already coming. I don't know. I'm getting disappointed on this one especially since I've brought it up four times now and it's still happening every week. And the other one I have we already talked about so that was it. Mayor Mancino: Any other discussion items? I think that's it for tonight. Mayor Mancino adjourned the meeting at 9:55 p.m. Submitted by Don Ashworth City Manager Prepared by Nann Opheim 54 City Council Meeting - September $, 1997 Councilman Berquist: Let me, I hate to even open this can of worms All right, I won't~ Councilman Mason: Because it is. It's not even a can. It's a case. Mayor Mancino: Any other comments from Council members? May I have a motion please. Councilman Mason: I will move approval of item l(j) in the opus that all the items will come into compliance. Mayor Mancino: I would, could I add to that and be a little more specific? I would like to approve the site plan review #97-8 as shown on the site plan dated received June 13, 1997, subject to the following conditions. Thank you. Number 1. The applicant shall apply for a building permit. Number 2. Composting shall take place on the nursery site only. Actually I would like to make sure that we have a legal description of that nursery site being Outlot D or the legal description please. And 3. The public address system shall be in compliance with the stipulation agreement. Is there a second? Councilman Engel: Second. Councilman Mason moved, Councilman Engel seconded to approve Site Plan Review #97-8 as shown on the site plan dated received June 13, 1997, subject to the following conditions: The applicant shall apply for a building permit. Composting shall take place on the nursery site only, described per the legal descriptior~. Public address system shall be in compliance with the stipulation agreement. All voted in favor and the motion carried, ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION DISCUSSION: Mayor Mancino: Any questions on the Admin Section? Councilman Senn: On the memo from Todd, which is what, the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. What is that 8? Yeah, eight one down and stuff. I just wanted to kind of reiterate our direction from last Council meeting which is not to proceed with inclusion of that in a comp plan for central park and stuffuntil we've had a chance to put that into our discussion framework on capital and other improvements and stuff going forward. And to not spend funds towards planning that until we get more information on it and. I was also intrigued basically in the history and all the historical stuffthat Todd provided. Don, I think it would really be helpful if we could get more information that would be a little more, how would I say, you know what's the user group. How many people is this thing going to serve? Where are they going to come from? You know part of what we're probably going to end up having to do in relationship to capital improvements is to somewhat look at them on a little bit on the basis of you know, we only have so many resources and not enough resources to do what everybody wants to do but you know, I think we need to define user groups and how many people those improvements are going to benefit and that sort of thing so it'd be nice to start having that information be part of suggestions like this. Mayor Mancino: I didn't also see a cost related to the skate park either. Councilman Senn: Well that's part of it, yeah. 35 CITY OF 690 COULTER DRIVE · P.O. BOX 147 · CHANHASSEN,.MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 93:7-1900 · FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director DATE: September 2, 1997 SUB J: Response to City Council Inquiry; "Skate Park" Skate parks have been a topic of conversation with the Park & Recreation Cormnission for just over one year. The concept of a skate park which provides jumps and ramps for in-line skaters and skate boarders was initiated by a group of local high schoolers. This group has carried the lorch on this initiative for the past twelve months. Attached you will find correspondence and meeting minutes pertaining to this topic. The most recent action taken by the Park & Recreation Commission was at their July 29, 1997 meeting. That evening, the following motion was approved: "Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to designate a skate park as a component of City Center Park. Planning for the facility is to be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan development detailing the renovation of City Center Park, with planning to occur in the fall~winter of 1997/98, and construction to occur during the 1998 season. All voted in favor and the motion carried." G:\parkMhXskateparkccupdate.doc City Council Meeting - Augu~ 25, 1997 Councilman Berquist: Right. Don Ashworth: So you'll be getting the response from Halla. That again will be in this next week's agenda. I think there's a secondary letter also there from engineering. Councilman Berquist: Did we premise approval of that entry on this being taken care of?. Mayor Mancino: Yes. Two things. First of all, Dave Hempel and Sharmin and I met with the Halla's on Friday and after that meeting Sharmin went back and made sure that the items in the stipulation agreement had all been signed. And then adhered to by the Halla's so we can go ahead with the front entry. We had stipulated...agenda that if there is adherence of the stipulation from the Halla's that we would go ahead with that consent agenda item so she checked everything on Friday and will be writing a letter and letting us know that they're adhering to the stipulation. We also talked about the ravine and they are, they have stopped dumping in it and they do have to go back and compact the soil and do what engineering has asked them to do in there and... The only agreement that we did not reach was where to do above ground composting which will come to the... So and what I heard from Sharmin, they are in compliance with the stipulation 100% at this date. Except for the above ground composting. Councilman Berquist: Do you mind if I jump right in here Mark? Councilman Senn: Go right ahead. Jump away. Jump back in, whatever. Councilman Berquist: The letter dated August 11 from Elliott to our building official Reaffirming a new court date of October l 5th. Something change that I'm not aware of in my absence? Mayor Mancino: The homeowners association, the Oak Hills Homeowners Associatio~'~ a~..~ed that we delay the trial date and we did and it was postponed until this date. Councilman Becquis¢ !is d-~i~ ulster tb,~ date of the civil'?' Don Ashworth: They wanted to be able to have time to work on the civil side~ We did get one complaint from one of the homeowners that felt that that didn't represent all of the homeowners position and I responded to that saying, word we got was from the President and you'll have to talk to the President~ Councilman Berquist: And then, go ahead Mark. I had one other thing I wanted to talk about. Councilman Senn: Let's see I talked to Scott on most of his stuff. Let's see here, what was it. Bond sale I just asked that Pam get the info together and I think you all got a copy of that tonight so we have a chance to kind of start looking at that ahead of time. Let's see here. Oh, I know one. Someone referenced of the, I think it's from the Parks and Rec one. A reference that they were going to go ahead and include a skate park layout and design in the comprehensive plan for Central Park. I don't know how J~the rest of Council feels about that but I would like to see the skids put on that one immediately until Jhave some chance to review what we're talking about. I wasn't even aware that we were talking about we building a skate park. And before we start beginning a planning task to include it. Councilman Berquist: Skateboarding and inline are the, I remember seeing something about. Councilman Senn: Well-our inline is all developed out at the Rec Center. Well I don't know. 46 AGENDA PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, JULY 29, 1997, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE *Please meet at Lake Susan Park at 7:00 p.m. prior to the meeting. 7:30 p.m. CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioners may add or delete items at this time. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. If a motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to allow for publication and review prior to consideration. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1. Approval of summary minutes dated May 20 and June 24, 1997. NEW BUSINESS 2. Determine Official Designation of Lake Susan Park Waterfront. OLD BUSINESS 3. Aggressive Skate Park PROGRAM REPORTS 4. a. Summer Programs b. Recreation Center Monthly Report C. 4th of July Celebration Evaluation ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS 5. a. Encroachment of Parkland; West Lake Susan - VERBAL b. Letter-of Appreciation; Commissioner Volunteers, 4th Of July Celebration ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT Park & Recreation Commission Meeting July 29, 1997 A special meeting of the Chanhassen Park & Recreation Commission was held at 7:00 p.m. on July 29, 1997, to conduct a site visit of the Lake Susan Park waterfront and the Twin Cities and Western Railroad bridge underpass on Highway 5, near downtown. These site visits were held to help determine whether or not a formal beach should be maintained at Lake Susan Park and whether or not a pedestrian trail is feasible adjacent to the railroad from downtown Chanhassen to Lake Susan Park. The regular meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m~ The following members were present: Chair Lash, Commissioners Howe, Manders, Roeser, Meger, Frank and Berg. Staff members present: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer and Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisors; and Brad Eller, Facility Supervisor. The agenda was approved as presented. There were no public announcements or visitor presentations~ Approval of Minutes: Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Roeser seconded to approve the minutes of May 20, 1997 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carriedo Commissioner Roeser moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to approve the minutes of the June 24, 1997 meeting as presente& All voted in favor and the motion carried~ NEW BUSINESS Determine Official Designation of Lake Susan Park Waterfront: Thc c~c ~:rtiss ~:r~ discussed a variety of issues surrounding the potential development of a public beack~ ..~ !'.~ ;~ Svsan Park. Issues such as permitting, signage, power boat issues, schedule, and necessary public hearings were discussed. The commission felt that the adjoining neighborhoods would appreciate a public beach at Lake Susan due to its convenient access. The commission acknowledged that the water quality of Lake Susan is not as good as other lakes in the city, but also recognizes that the existing waterfront is already being used for swimming. Commissioners were concerned about the potential relationship between an expanded public beach and increased power boat or jetski usage. However, the majority of commissioners favored the development of an "official" public beach at Lake Susan Park. Upon conclusion of their discussion, Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Manders seconded to schedule a public meeting to discuss the potential development of a beach at Lake Susan Park on Lake Susan. Proper notification is to be sent. All voted in favor and the motion carried. OLD BUSINESS Aggressive Skate-P,arlr: Commissioners continued their discussion on the potential development of a skate park in Chanhassen. The commissioners discussed resources which may Park & Recreation Commission Minutes July 29, 1997 Page 2 be available to assist in the construction of this skate park. Those include inline skate companies, the Market Square Management Group, technical colleges, and a design contest with rewards. The commission agreed with staff's recommendation to incorporate a skate park into the redesign of City Center Park scheduled for construction in the summer of 1998. As such, Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to designate a skate park as a component of City Center Park. Planning for the facility is to be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan development detailing the renovation of City Center Park, with planning to occur in the fall/winter of 1997/98, and construction to occur during the 1998 season. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Program Reports: The following Program Reports were received by the commission: Summer Programs, Recreation Center Monthly Report, and 4th of July Celebration Evaluation. In response to those reports, Commissioners recommended a variety of changes to the 4th of July Celebration that included the selection of a new band for the 1998 celebration, incorporation of additional food vendors, the continuation of the community parade, the reintroduction of the .treasure hunt. Administrative Reports: The commission received the following reports: Encroachment of Parkland-West Lake Susan, Letter of Appreciation-Commissioner Volunteers for the 4th of July Celebration. The commission also took time to discuss the responses from the Economic Development Authority regarding the Pauly/Pony/Pryzmus site and the old Red-E-Mix site. The commission concurred with the response of the EDA and is anxiously awaiting their planning efforts. The commission also discussed the inquiry of the Economic Development Authority regarding a trail underpass of the Twin Cities and Western Railroad (TCWRR). Generally commissioners had some significant reservations to this alignment. Nevertheless, in the spirit of maintaining an open mind, they ordered a limited feasibility study. This study is to cost no more than $500. This motion was made by Commissioner Roeser and seconded by Commissioner Berg with all voting in favor. There were no questions on the administrative packet. Commission Presentations: Commissioner Berg requested that lines be painted on the basketball court at Meadow Green Park and that the history street signs program continue to be pursued. Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to adjourn the meeting at 9:10 p.m. Todd Hof'fman Park & Recreation Director CITY OF MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB J: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director July 23, 1997 Aggressive Skate Park The commission has been corresponding with a group of young residents for a number of months regarding "skating" opportunities in Chanhassen. Public endorsement of city run skate parks is on the rise as documented in the July edition of the Parks & Recreation magazine~ Copies of the articles that I am referring to are attached. You may have already read them upor~ receipt of your copy of the magazine.. Proper plmming is an essential ingredient in ensuring the success of these facilities. With recent voter approval to remodel City Center Park, the timing ~s dgh~ to construct a skate park in Chanhassen. I believe a facility in City Center Park is superior tc .~ny ~:her site due to its proximity to the central business community and the core of the city's popaiatior~. RECOMMENDATION It is recommended that the Park & Recreation Commission designate a skate park as a component of City Center Park. Planning for the facility should be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan development detailing the renovation of City Center Park. Planning for the facility should occur in the fall/winter of 1997/98 with construction to occur during the 1998 construction season. ATTACHMENT 1. Park & Recreation Magazine Articles C: Kate Aanenson, Planning Director Charles Folch, City Engineer Scott Harr, Public Safety Director g:Xpark~th~skatepark.doc AGENDA PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, MAY 20, 1997 $:30 P.M. SITE VISITS, 7:30 P. M. REGULAR MEETING CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE 5:30 p.m. - SITE VISITS Lake Susan Trail, Prairie Knoll Park, Instant Web Soccer Field, Park Place, Galpin Blvd. Parkland, Autumn Ridge Trail, Stone Creek Park, Creekside Trail, Proposed Gateway Development, Roundhouse Park. 7:30 p.m. - CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioners may add or delete items at this time. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. Ifa motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to allow' for publication and review prior to consideration. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1. Approval of summary minutes dated April 22, 1997. NEW BUSINESS Determine park, trail, and recreation conditions of approval for preliminary plat to subdivide 48.99 acres into 54 single family lots and 1 outlot, located north of Highway 5 on the east side of Highway 41, South of Lake Lucy Road, Highover Addition, Jerome Carlson. OLD BUSINESS 3. Annual Review, Lake Ann Batting Cage. 4. Feasibility rR. eview, Chanhassen Skate Park PROGRAM REPORTS 5. a. Spring Dance Recital b. 4th of July Celebration c. Recreation Center Monthly Report ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS 6. a. Lake Ann Park Summer Season b. Summer Newsletter ¢. Park, Open Space & Trail Special Election COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT Park & Recreation Commission Minutes May 20, 1997 A special meeting of the Chanhassen Park & Recreation Commission was held at 5:30 p.m. to conduct site visits of the Lake Susan trail, Prairie Knoll Park, Instant Web soccer field, Park Place cul-de-sac, Galpin Boulevard parkland (Forest Meadow Outlot A), Autumn Ridge trail, Stone Creek Park, Creekside trail, and proposed Gateway development. The regular meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. The following members were present: Commissioners Lash, Howe, Manders, Roeser, Meger, Frank, and Berg. Staff present: Todd Hoffrnan, Park & Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer and Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisors; Nathan Parr, Facility Supervisor. The agenda was approved as presented. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The April 22, 1997 Park & Recreation Commission minutes were approved as presented. NEW BUSINESS DETERMINE PARK, TRAIL, AND RECREATION CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE 48.99 ACRES INTO 54 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND ONE OUTLOT, LOCATED NORTH OF HIGHWAY 5 ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY 41 SOUTH OF LAKE LUCY ROAD; HIGHOVER ADDITION, JEROME CARLSON: The staff report was presented to the commission regarding park and trail conditions of approval. Mr. Donald Peterson representing the applicant also made a short presentation. Following discussion of all pertaining issues, Commissioner Meger moved that the Park & Recreation Commission recommend the following condition of approval pertaining to parks and trails for the Highover Addition: 1. Payment of full park and trail fees per city ordinance in lieu of parkland dedication or trail construction. 2. The identification of the power line easements as a trail corridor. Said trail to be maintained in a turf condition. Motion seconded by Scott. All voted in favor and the motion carded. OLD BUSINESS ANNUAL REVIEW, LAKE ANN BATTING CAGE FEASIBILITY REVIEW, CHANHASSEN SKATE PARK: A~er a discussion between Josh Peters and the commission, action was tabled until the July meeting. At that time staff is to present a comprehensive feasibility study on the construction of an aggressive skate park within the City of Chanhassen. Park & Recreation Commission Minutes May 20, 1997 Page 2 PROGRAM REPORTS: The following program reports were given: a. Spring Dance Recitatal b. 4th of July Celebration c. Recreation Center Monthly Report ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS: The following administrative reports were presented: a. Lake Ann Park Summer Season b. Summer Newsletter c. Park, Open Space, and Trails Special Election COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT Respectfully submitted~ Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director CITY OF 690 COULTER DRIVE · P.O. BOX 147 · CHANHASSEN,.MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 437-1900 · FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB J: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director May 15, 1997 Feasibility Review, Chanhassen Skate Park Mr. Josh Peters, 1005 Stoughton Avenue, continues to correspond with me regarding a potential skate park in Chanhassen. On Thursday, May 8, I had the opportunity to participate in a workshop at the John Rose Oval in Roseville. This event focused on the future of aggressive in- line skate and skateboard parks in public settings. These parks contain a variety of ramps associated with aggressive skating. A brief overview of the outcomes of this workshop are listed below. I would like the opportunity to explain these findings in more detail next Tuesday evening. 1. An indoor location is optimal. 2. If constructed outdoors, the park needs to be enclosed with security fencing. 3. Supervision must be provided during hours of operation. 4. Protective padding is mandatory. Handouts distributed at the meeting are attached. Both Mr. Josh Peters and Mr. Scott Holra have been notified of this discussion. g:Xpark~th~skatepark.doc PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 22, 1996 Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Jim Manders, Jane Meger, Mike Howe and Frank Scott. MEMBER ABSENT: Ron Roeser STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisor; J. J. Ryan, Facility Supervisor APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Approved as presented. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: Chanhassen Skate Park: Scott Hallra discussed plans for a Chanhassen Skate Park with the commission. Other young men were also present to discuss the merits of providing facilities for youth in the community. The commission encouraged Mr. Hallra to stay involved in seeing the project through~ 2. Request to Rename Chanhassen Pond Park to Kerber Pond Park: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director presented a letter of request from the Chan_hassen Senior Men's Club~ The Men's Club is requesting that Chanhassen Pond Park be renamed to Kcrber Pond Park. 7'he Men's Club believed the new name would tie the park historically t{? the. Kerber farm which occupied such a long and continuous history tbr clecades in Charrhas~ ~:n, first in the township, then in the village, and now in the City of Chanhassen. Further, it is their belief that the renamed park's location ties in directly and logically to Kerber Blvd., making for easy directions to residents and visitors who wish to view the park and its pond. Following commissioner comment, a motion was made by Scott and seconded by Howe to schedule a public hearing to consider the renaming of Chanhassen Pond Park. All voted in :favor and the motion carried. APPROVAL OF SUMMARY MINUTES: Commissioner Berg mOved, Commissioner Manders seconded to approve the minutes of September 24, 1996 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. TELECOMMUNICATION TOWERS AND FACILITIES IN CITY PARKS: Kate Aanenson, Planning Director was present to discuss telecommunication towers and facilities in city parks. It was determined that prior to approval of any telecommunication towers within park facilities that the Park & Recreation Commission would have the opportunity to review such plans. It was also .noted -that .it would be the commission's desire to see any and all lease dollars generated from park sites be utilized in the betterment of the city's park and recreation systems. PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 22, 1996 PAGE 2 RENTAL POLICIES, CHANHASSEN RECREATION CENTER: Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisor reviewed with the commission changes from the previous draft of the rental policies. Upon completion of discussion, Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Meger seconded to approve the rental policies as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. PROGRAM REPORTS: Fall Programs: Halloween Party Summer Softball Evaluation Senior Center ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS: Facility Supervisor J.J. Ryan was present and gave an update on the Recreation Center including information on evening child care; rental usage; and participation numbers for aerobics classes, fitness room and open gym. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: Historical Signage: The commission directed staff to continue correspondence with the Senior Men's Club regarding historical signage on street signs. COMMITTEE REPORTS: A variety of committee reports were given~ COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET' ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Meger seconded to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m. Submitted by: Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director AGENDA PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1996, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL, 690 COULTER DRIVE 7:30 p.m. - CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. Ifa motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to allow for publication and review prior to consideration. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1. Approval of Summary Minutes dated August 27, 1996~ NEW BUSINESS 2. Preliminary Findings, Chanhassen Skate Park° OLD BUSINESS 3. Rental Policies~ Recreation Center. PROGRAM REPORTS b. e. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS 5. a. Recreation Center Facility Supervisor (Verbal) b. Director's Report COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PA'CKET ADJOURNMENT Fall Programs Skating/Hockey Program 1996 Lake Ann Park Concessions/Boat Rental 1996 Lake Ann Park/South Lotus Lake Park Gate Attendants Senior Center Report PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES SEPTEMBER 24, 1996, REGULAR MEETING Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:33 p.m. Members Present: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Ron Roeser, Jim Manders, Jane Meger, Mike Howe and Frank Scott. Staff Present: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisor; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor; and Michelle Braun, Facility Supervisor. Approval of Agenda: Approved as presented. Visitor l~resentations: None Approval of Minutes: Commissioner Roeser moved, Commissioner Scott seconded to approve the verbatim minutes of August 27, 1996. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Preliminary Findings, Chanhassen Skate Park: Tabled for further discussion. Rental Policies, Recreation Center: Commissioners gave the following direction regarding rental policies at the Chanhassen Recreation Center: · Separate gym rentals from meeting room rentals · Consider set-up fees for gym rentals o Consider no show and short notice cancellation fees for meeting rooms Maintain minimum participant policy Consider room set up Consider prime time vs. non-prime time rentals o Consider extending the time paid rentals can reserve into the future Upon conclusion of their discussion, Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Roeser seconded to table the rental policies for the Chanhassen Recreation Center to the October meeting Ail voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. Program Reports: · Fall Programs · Skating and Hockey Program · 1996 Lake Ann Park Concessions/Boat Rental · 1996 Lake Ann Park/South Lotus Lake Park Gate Attendants · Senior Center Report Administrative Reports: · Recreation Center Facility Supervisor · Director's Report Commission Member Committee Reports: Commissioners Scott and Manders gave reports on the activity of the Park Task Force. Commissioner Meger moved and Commissioner Scott seconded to adjourn the meeting. Time: 9:30 p.m. Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director CITY OF MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB J: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director September 18, 1996 Preliminary Finding, Chanhassen Skate Park My preliminary finding regarding a Chanhassen Skate Park is that we have a considerable education "curve" to undergo. The attached 28 page Design Proposal for a Bumsville City Skate Park will be more effective in describing the work which "goes into" such a facility than any report I could prepare, Mr. Scott Holrah and the other young men who spoke to the commission should also find it interesting~ Please note the information from Berkley Risk Services titled "Managing the Skatebt?arding Risk Exposure." RECOMMENDATION Let this one "cook" for a while° There is more to initiating a "Skate Park" than meets the eye. g:~park\t h~skat epark.e CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 27, 1996 Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:30-p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Ron Roeser, Jim Manders, Jane Meger, Mike Howe, and Frank Scott STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor; and Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisor APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Lash: Are there any changes by any commissioners or staff?. Hoffman: Other than a note that I received an item on the Recreation Center fees for the park pavilion building... A note on the top, this item will be added to tonight's agenda... Lash: Okay. Can we just add that to the end? Hoffman: Yes. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: Hoffman: Chairwoman Lash and Commission, I'm aware of one. Mr. Scott Hollrah of 2450 Bridle Creek Road would like to talk about Rollerblading in the community of Chanhassen. He has some representatives with him here this evening and with that I'II let Scott explain what they're interested in. Scott Hollrah: My name is Scott Hollrah. Me and most of these guys over here, we all like to skate a couple times a week. We'd like to do it in town. We've had problems recently with places kicking us out. They don't want us skating there and that's understandable. And we all wanted someplace that we can go and skate without getting into trouble and you know skating, it's a positive activity. People look at it as being negative but it really isn't. A skate park would give us a place for people to go during the summer. Keep out of trouble. I brought a video of a skate park in Dallas and this would be something we kind of, kind of the things that we'd want to put up here in Chanhassen. Maybe not quite so elaborate as this one but something similar. A video was shown at this point. Lash: Scott, is this a private or a public facility? Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Scott Hollrah: This is a private facility in Dallas° They have charged, let's see the first time, I've been here 3 or 4 times. There have been charged is the first time it's like $15.00. The second time it's $9.00 and then after that you pay...next four times it'd be $9.00 and then after that you pay $5.00 to skate. Depending on...open to the public. Howe: Have you been up to Roseville? Have you seen the Roseville oval? Scott Hollrah: I have not been up there. We were actually going to try to get out there today but they're closed right now. They're re-doing some of their equipment. Howe: They're building something like this. Not on this kind of scale. I don't know what the costs are but it's a very nice facility. I've been impressed with it. I know that's a drive for you but. Scott Itollrah: Yeah, yeah. We were actually going to, we had all planned on going out there today. Actually Josh back here, he's been out to the Rose several times. Josh Peters: My name is Josh Peters. I'm from Chaska. Yeah, I've been out to the Rose a couple of times. It's, the first time I was out there it wasn't what I had really expecte& They were planning, I know the guys that are building the city park next to here, they were planning on having it this year. As of, well somebody took over...this year. They hired...with the town of Eden Prairie to run, you know set up a skate park and they had some difficulties this year. I guess agreeing.. I guess Roseville pulled them off of it but I guess they had some difficulties just agreeing on...getting a permanent facility there. Next year I guess they're going to have a lot of stuff out there. And we've been out there I guess so it's yeah, a totally smooth facility~ It's nice. It gives opportunities to anybody that's got hockey~ It's got an indoor hockey r/nk. Speed skating. I mean you can just..° and iffs all right next to the Roseville civic center where the boys and girls play hockey and I think that it could be, I thought it was okay but it wasn't worth the money. I paid $6.00 to get in and it really wasn't the worth the money for what I thought. I mean what you just saw I think would be worth the money. I'd be glad to pay to $15.00 or maybe even $20.00 to skate in something like that because it's, I mean I skate real well but ! don't skate to gain...or anything and I don't know, it's just the way. Not all of us here, I mean not all of us want to play baseball or play soccer. That doesn't mean I'm interested in other sports but I came to think that once I found out about this...I didn't play hockey as a kid but I had a strong skating basis so I just started doing this once I found out there got to be a market for it and now I just skate for fun of it. I skate on Chaska ice. Scott Hollrah: And another thing, the aggressive skating which is what this is called. It's really picking up. Last year the industry itself was supposed to sell about a million and a half dollars worth of stuff. This year, I don't know, maybe it was more than a million but this year...it's expected to do well over a billion dollars so this is really picking up. Josh Peters: Yeah, and you've got like, well they have the X Games. I don't know if anybody might have seen on -ESPN...but ESPN has got kind of just a game like the Olympic Games for extreme sports. That's guys who are doing inline skating, BMX bikes. BMX biking. 2 Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Skateboarding. Sky surfing, which is like snowboarding from 10,000 feet in the air. And I mean and then it is a tour, which travels around to different cities like mostly in California but it first goes to California and then it travels to New York, Chicago, I think Miami. It goes to Miami and then there's another tour called ESA Tour which goes to, they live in Texas and all the world. Actually that's now a world tour. They go to Germany and Australia and I think. Scott Hollrah: I don't know what your concerns are about this. I know that in the past liability has been a concern but really what's going to protect ifa kid goes and falls on a slide on a playground. You know it's still a public facility and. Manders: I guess a question about the use. Is there much of a difference between inline skating or skateboarding? Scott Hollrah: No. They're doing the same kind of stuff. The equipment would be used for BMX, skateboarding. Manders: I guess what I'm thinking is in terms of some of the facilities that we have now for inline skating in the summertime with the old hockey rinks. How that might offset some of this need. Scott Hollrah: Well that's the inline hockey group. That's hockey. I mean I do play inline hockey a little bit too. Yeah, that's over by the Bluff Creek Elementary, is that what you're saying next year I guess. It wasn't ready for this year~ Maybe it is now but yeah. Lash: Well is it possible just to, this is an indoor facility. Would it be possible just to build some ramps and things like that and put them in the hockey rink in City Center for the summer? Josh Peters: Yeah, that's. Lash: I mean you know, liability is a big issue but money's a really big issue. We don't have the land or the money to build some kind of a thing like that for public use. I can see a private company possibly doing it but it'd be nice if we could set up some kind of ramps if we could get past the liability. Hoffman: Scott and I talked about that. First I'd like to congratulate them for keeping their promise on coming in this evening and talking to you. We met on the front steps I think it was last Tuesday or Wednesday, and we talked about the new inline skating rinks and that's really not what they're into. They'd like to see some ramps and to do that, what I'm familiar with in family activities and neighborhood activities and these driveway ramps are a big thing... So I asked Scott to kind of define his request and I think Jan you're getting to that. What they're looking for is some kind of alternative recreational choices other than just inline skating hockey. And you can manage the recreation center so you have one rink. That type of thing.., skating and hockey, if you wanted to look into that. 3 Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Lash: How difficult would that be to do? Could that be a winter pro,ject for some park staf~ can it be an Eagle Scout project? Hoffman: Yeah, I'd be glad to do a report on it. Check out liability costs. Howe: You guys would pay to use this? Like buy a ticket. You'd pay? Or Josh Peters: Another thing I found out the liability on skaters, skateboarders that.just moved here from Wisconsin. In Oshkosh, Wisconsin they have an outdoor skate park. It's not like a huge one but this isjust, I'm.just giving my opinion. I think what they did is, all they did, it's not really big and it doesn't have a lot of huge things but it has, the only liability it has is a skate at your own risk sign and it seems to have worked at Oshkosh. I mean it's not...Chanhassen but it's worked fme. They haven't had any lawsuits. Well not that I know of. Scott Hollrah: At most skate parks they have you sign a waiver...if anything happens to you. Hofrman: Thanks for coming in Scott. Anyone want to make any other comments? Berg: I have a couple of quick comments~ Can I ask a question? Hoffinan: You bet. Berg: You guys have any idea what the age range is that wouid be using this? Scott Hollrah: All the way from 13 to about 24. There's a lot of interest, actually a little younger than that. I've seen 9, 10, 11 year olds. Berg: Male and female? Scott Hollrah: Yeah. Josh Peters: Female's picking up. Scott Hollrah: Yeah, females are really starting to get into it... Lash: Well thanks for coming in. Todd will do a little investigating. Get back to us and Scott, could you be kind of the communicator so if we talk about it, Todd could let you know where we're at and what we're going to do about it and you can communicate to your fellow skaters.? Scott Hollrah: 'Okay. Scott Hollrah: Oh yeah. Also if funding, if that's a problem I was thinking you know, we could have competitions. Local people from around the Twin Cities and come...help kind of get things going to pay for the equipment costs. Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Lash: Thanks. Howe: Todd, check with Roseville. They're building one of these. They're doing it. Lash: Okay, we'll move on. Are there any other visitor presentations? Jim Hofer: I'm Jim Hofer. 7098 Red Cedar Cove. I have a letter to the Commission. I'd like to read it. As a member of the Minnewashta Round House Park Focus Team I helped create the recommendations that are being placed before you tonight. As a also close neighbor, Red Cedar Cove, of the proposed park, I encourage you to modify your recommendations. The proposed lighted hockey/inline skate rink is the last thing this neighborhood needs. There are several established rinks within a couple miles of the proposed park. Cathcart, the new recreation center and downtown all have existing hockey rinks. This park addition will ruin the...I would much rather see empty space, grass or even weeds than a lights and fence...hockey rink. In addition the proposal would allow overflow parking on Kings Road was not approved at the focus team meeting. The only comments concerning parking were about limiting parking availability and not allowing public parking on Kings Road. Neighborhood parks should not require overflow parking. The...parking area and on street parking encourage...should be discouraged with a small park. The regional park on Highway 41 should be where people are encouraged to go and not Minnewashta...taking into account the existing environment that you...on your visit this evening...how that would be destroyed with an almost professional hockey facility and near...parking. A neighborhood park does not need to be jammed full of amenities. It would be more enjoyable as an open area for families to meet and enjoy...activities. Lash: Thank you. We'll continue on with this discussion in just a minute. Do we have, thank you. The first item on our agenda is approval of the summary of Minutes dated July 23rd. Is there a motion? Are there any corrections or deletions? Is there a motion to approve? Berg moved, Scott seconded to approve the summary Minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated July 23, 1996 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. RECEIVE RECOMMENDATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUS GROUP~ MINNEWASHTA PARKWAY/KINGS ROAD PARKLAND. Public Present: Name Address Jon Fogelberg Art Allerman Margaret Parsons Dorothy Downing Dave Headla Larry & Nancy Wenzel 3821 Red Cedar Point 3821 Red Cedar Point 3732 Red Cedar Point 7200 Juniper Road '6870 Minnewashta Parkway 6900 Minnewashta Parkway 5