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REGULAR CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING OCTOBER 4, 1982
Mayor Hamilton called the meeting to order with the follpwing members
present: Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn.
Mike Thompson, Planning Commission, was present. The following staff
members were present: Don Ashworth, Russell Larson, Craig Mertz, Bob
Waibel, Scott Martin, and Bill Monk. The meeting was opened with the
Pledge to the Flag.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Councilman Geving moved to approve the
presented with the addition of discussion on Carver Beach.
seconded by Councilman Horn. The following voted in favor:
Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving,
No negative votes. Motion carried.
agenda as
Motion
Mayor
and Horn.
CONSENT AGENDA: Councilman Geving moved to approve the consent agenda
pursuant to the City Manager's recommendations:
a. Chanhassen Home Bakery, Sign Permit.
b. New Building Grading Plan, Opus Development Corporation, Lots 4
and 5, Block 5, Chanhassen Lakes Business Park
c. Snow Parking Ordinance, Final Reading
d. An Ordinance Establishing a Public Safety Liaison Commission,
Ordinance 70
Motion seconded by Councilman Horn. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No
negative votes. Motion carried.
PUBLIC HEARING
1983 MUNICIPAL BUDGET INCLUDING PROPOSED USES OF REVENUE SHARING FUNDS
Mayor Hamilton called the hearing to order. No interested persons were
present. There being no additional public imput, Councilman Horn moved to
close the public hearing. Motion seconded by Councilman Neveaux. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson,
Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Motion carried.
1983 MUNICIPAL BUDGET:
RESOLUTION #82-60: Councilman Neveaux moved the adoption of a resolution
adopting the 1983 Budget, establishing tax levies for 1983, and Jdopting
~ revised 1982 Budget. Resolution seconded by Mayor Hamilton. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson,
Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Motion carried.
(See October 18, 1982 Council Minutes).
MINUTES: Amend the September 7, 1982, Council minutes by adding the
following to page 2:
Councilman Horn - What are the other options that we could use for this
State Aid Interest Account?
Bill Monk - The Council could undertake any portion of the City's
obligation in this project. However, there are monies
available in the State Aid Interest Account that are basically
unallocated for the year and I see them as a usable means
of financing the City's share of this particular project but
by no means do we have to use them. Those monies can
basically be allocated for any project that the Council would
wish to designate. The only monies that have been allocated
so far this year are for the Ironwood Drainage Project
otherwise the money has not been set up for anything and it
is the Council IS discretion to allocate those monies.
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I don't see that there will be any problem with using a
portion of next year's interest earnings, if the Council
wishes to go that way. $18,000 is the City's participation I
if we go on a strict area basis but the total could go to
$29,000.
Councilman Horn - That takes into account the State Aid portion of
interest.
Bill Monk - That1s not figured in here anywhere. That's just a suggestion
on how the City could pay its share of the assessment.
Councilman Horn - I guess what I don It understand is how we got into the
State Aid portion of it, the City1s share.
Bill Monk - This project is in no way State Aid. All I am saying is that
one funding source for the City's share would be to use the
interest in the State Aid Fund. This project is not tied in
with State Aid in any way.
Councilman Horn - My question is, when you are looking at this $29,000
figure, are you taking into account using the interest
portion?
Bill Monk - Either one, I would suggest that the Council use the State
Aid interest whether it assumes 50% or 80% of the storm
sewer assessment.
Councilman Neveaux - The City's share based upon typical assessment
procedures that have been conducted in this City
for projects like this, on an area basis, comes
out to be $18,000. The maximum that we could pick
up would be that 80% figure when that $18,000 would
rise to $29,000. Either of those, or any figure
in between, will have to be picked up by either I
general obligation, which we don't have monies,
or take the $18,000 or $29,000 or whatever figure
we do decide upon, out of the State Aid Fund.
As I see it there is no other option for a source
of funds other than perhaps borrowing in the next
year.
Councilman Horn - I guess my concern is we run into things like this
continually and we are not sure what our crisis is
going to be for next year. I would hate to allocate
all of our discretionary funds before we even get
started.
Mayor Hamilton - These are 1982 funds.
Councilman Horn - But we don't have to spend the money. We can use it in
the 1983 Budget if problems come up.
Mayor Hamilton - Are you suggesting that you would rather see this amount
levied on a general levy? That is an alternative.
Councilman Horn - I am not suggesting that. I am only suggesting that we
take the 50% portion out of the State Aid not the 70%
portion.
Amend the September 7, 1982, Council minutes by adding the following to
the top of page 6, prior to closing the American Legion Assessment
Hearing:
Councilwoman Swenson - I think we have in the minutes of July 13, 1981, I
the statement is: IIMr. Woitalla, representing the
Legion, stated that the Legion members realized
they would probably be assessed the whole project
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Councilman Neveaux moved to approve the September 7, 1982, Council minutes
as amended. Motion seconded by Councilwoman Swenson. The following voted
in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux and
Horn. Councilman Geving abstained. Motion carried.
Councilman Geving moved to approve the September 20, 1982, Council
minutes. Motion seconded by Councilman Horn. The following voted in
favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving,
and Horn. No negative votes. Motion carried.
Councilman Neveaux moved to note the September 22, 1982, Public Safety
Liaison Commission minutes. Motion seconded by Councilman Geving. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson,
Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Motion carried.
ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, ALLOW DRIVING RANGES/MINIATURE GOLF COURSES
IN R-1A DISTRICT: John Przymus, Frank Stefanoc, petitioners, and several
area residents were present. The petitioners requested that the Council
reconsider their action of August 23, 1982, in which the Council acted to
amend the Zoning Ordinance to allow as a conditional use in an R-1A
District golf driving ranges but not miniature golf courses. Two
petitions were presented, one in opposition to the request and one
supporting the request. John Przymus gave a brief presentation of the
proposal. Dick Lyman and Merle Volk spoke in favor of the proposal.
Bill Soth, Dani and John Hennessy, Bob Larsen, Roger Hennessy, Roger
Schmidt, Mary Welter, Jerry Gustafson, and Leo Welter spoke in opposition.
Councilman Neveaux - Obviously there are two points of view and depending
on which side of the table or which side of the issue
you sit at both of them are right and that's what
makes these decisions up here very difficult. That's
why we have zoning ordinances. That's why within the
ordinances themselves there are opportunities to
modify and change them. Because it was adopted in
1972 does not mean that that stamps it paid in full
no changes ever allowed, that we have absolutely
looked at every possible situation and every possible
land use that will ever occur. If we did you would
have to elect one City Council and then adopt an
ordinance and then get rid of them because you don't
need them any more. What I am trying to get at is
I think the issue here is land use. We should
attempt to divorce ourselves from the personalities
involved. I really feel uncomfortable with these
things when you get neighbor against neighbor,
businessman against private citizen, farmer versus
the non-farmers, polarize the whole community. It's
extremely unfortunate. Something that I don't think
really in our hearts none of us want. I think we
need to look at this as somewhere down the line
there has got to be a compatible use for that
property. If it were to be R-1A, which is what it
is, then it's agricultural residence, you can't put a
building on it because we have Ordinance 45 and we
want to control building so the land sits fallow.
It probably is too small to be an agriculturally
economic piece of property as agricultural, so what
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do you do, just let it sit and the weeds grow and
some kind of interim use, I think, is appropriate.
My opinion has not changed from several weeks ago I
that I think the use on that property would be
compatible with everybody concerned and that would
be the driving range. I still believe the miniature
golf is an intensification beyond the quasi-
agricultural usage that the driving range would
give to it. My position has not changed. I believe
that a driving range could be adequately handled so
that it would be a compliment to the area and would
be not that different from the approved agricultural
uses. I personally do not believe that we could go
any further, I could go any further, as far as
commercialization.
Councilman Horn - My view has not changed strictly from a point of land
use. I think as was pointed out, commercial area
is justified for the use that was outlined and for things
like driving ranges, golf courses which take a large
amount of land, require that in an area that is zoned
less costly that a commercial area.
Councilwoman Swenson - I guess in essence I guess I tend to agree with
Councilman Neveaux and Councilman Horn. I have
other concerns, however, about the miniature golf
and that's a matter of sanitation. I am concerned
about, without water, how this can be handled and
since this is in an R-1A area I am assuming other I
applications would be similarly without sewer.
Councilman Geving - I think I realize that if I were to own that piece of
property that to do something other than pay taxes
to get something back out of the land would concern
me as a property owner. I think that that property,
much of which is unsewered, is in a transition stage
and that some day something will develop there either
in an industrial manner or at some point we might
consider running a pipe out from Chanhassen all the
way to 41, who knows. At the present time I
personally don't see anything wrong with the golf
driving range. I have conducted my own private survey
of about 20 people in Chanhassen. I guess the vote
was something like 18 to two very much in favor of
the golf driving range but about evenly split 10 and
10 opposed to the miniature golf. My own personal
view is that I would be in favor of the driving range
only from a sanitary sewer standpoint and what to do
VJith water, satellites and I guess eventually, what
could happen to another Council if this should go
in.
Mayor Hamilton - I think for the benefit of all of you folks who may not
have had an opportunity to read our ordinance and what
the R-1A Agricultural Residence District, the purpose I
is, I would like to read it to you. liThe R-1A
Agricultural Residence District is intended to provide a
district which will allow extensive areas of the village
to be retained in a lower population density in advance
of the need for these lands for extensive urban purposes
and to prevent the occurance of premature scattered urban
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development.1I The purpose of the ordinance, I think, was
not to keep the lands from developing. It was to help
us develop in a well organized manner over a period of
years. I think interestingly enough, if I were a
resident out there and someone were to come in who owned
that land and proposed to install a pig farm on that
corner, they would not have to come to this Council for
a permit and you would have that across the street from
you. That's a permitted use. I agree, also that the
land is probably one of the best locations in the City
for this type of use for a driving range and possibly
for a mini putt. I do have a problem, however, with the
intensification as the other Council members have said.
I really would not care to see lighting out there and I
guess to my way of thinking if you don't have lights
you don't survive in that type of business but that's
not my decision to make. I would not want to have any
kind of electricity on that piece of property. I
wouldn't want flood lights out there. That would
certainly, in my opinion, be a terrible distraction to
the neighbors. I agree that I think probably the best
use for the property is for a driving range and it would
fit nicely on that property and mini putt, although it's
a good idea, perhaps right now is not the time to do
that.
Councilman Geving moved to deny the request for an amendment to Ordinance
47-AD to allow miniature golf as a conditional use in the R-1A District.
Motion seconded by Councilman Neveaux. The following voted in favor:
Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. Mayor
Hamilton voted no. Motion carried.
Councilman Neveaux moved the adoption of Ordinance 47-AD amending Section
6.04 of Ordinance 47 at points 4 and 10. Motion seconded by Councilman
Horn. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman
Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Motion
carried.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING FROM R-1A TO INDUSTRIAL, 8470
GALPIN BLVD. Merle Volk and Al Michaels were present. Mr. Michaels
suggested that Ordinance 47, Section 6.04 be amended which would encompass
a conditional use permitted under the 1-1 zoning, namely 12.04, sub.3,
where it provides that contractor's yards, when conducted entirely
within a fully enclosed structures or within a completely fenced area
could be included in the R-1A area. That would take into consideration
both the agricultural use and the contractor's use. It would solve two
purposes, one that Mr. Volk would not be in violation of any of the
ordinances and two it gives everyone some time to think about the
possibility of changing the entire area to an industrial zoning.
Council members discussed expanding the definition of a contractor's
yard to be included as a conditional use in an R-1A District. Standards
discussed were: percentage of tillable acres, minimum number of acres,
screening of buildings, road classification, berming, fully enclosed
structure, and building setback. Councilman Horn asked for a survey
of these existing kinds of businesses so that the Council would know
how many would be included in the definition and how many would be
excluded.
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Mayor Hamilton moved to table this item until such time as the Planning
Commission reviews a recommendation from staff. Motion seconded by
Councilman Neveaux. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton,
Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative
votes. Motion carried.
INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND FINANCING, LANDCO DEVELOPMENT:
RESOLUTION #82-61: Councilman Neveaux moved the adoption of a resolution
Authorizing the Issuance and Sale of $600,000 Commercial Development
Revenue Bonds (LandCo Project) Series 1982 pursuant to Minnesota Statutes,
Chapter 474 and including Articles 2, 3, and 4. Resolution seconded by
Councilman Geving. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton,
Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative
votes. Motion carried.
1982/1983 LEAF COMPOSTING PROGRAM:
gave a report on his progress with
fulfill a requirement to become an
congratulated Mark for his efforts
program.
Mark Corpron, Eagle Scout Candidate,
the Chanhassen Leaf Compost Project to
Eagle Scout. Council members
and offered continued support of the
OFF SALE NON-INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSE, QUICK STOP GROCERIES:
Councilman Neveaux moved to grant an Off Sale Non-Intoxicating Liquor
License to Guy S. Petersen for his facility at 195 West 78th Street, d/b/a
Quick Stop Groceries. Motion seconded by Mayor Hamilton. The following
voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen
Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Motion carried.
FRONT YARD SETBACK VARIANCE REQUEST, 6270 RIDGE ROAD: Mrs. John Edwards
and Jim Bruce were present seeking a variance to a 56 foot front yard
setback condition placed on the property at the time of platting. The
applicant wants to be have the ability to place a dwelling within 42 feet
of the centerline of the road. The Board of Adjustments and Appeals
recommended approval of the request.
Councilwoman Swenson moved that the request for the front yard variance
at 6270 Ridge Road, Lot 2, Block 1, Edward's Addition be approved. Motion
seconded by Councilman Neveaux. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ESTABLISHING AN Rl-MH SINGLE FAMILY
MANUFACTURED HOUSING DISTRICT: The 1982 Legislature amended the Municipal
Planning Act to prohibit the exclusion of mobile/manufactured homes from
Minnesota cities effective August 1, 1982. The Planning Commission and
staff have prepared a proposed ordinance amendment for the Council to
review and approve. Al Schroeder, Minnesota Manufactured Housing
Association, was present to discuss the proposed amendment. Scott Martin
suggested that the Council invite manufactured home industry
representatives to give a presentation.
Councilman Horn moved to table action to October 18, 1982. Motion
seconded by Councilman Geving. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
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PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ESTABLISHING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR
SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN R-1A. R-1B, R-l,
P-l, AND P-2 DISTRICTS: Councilman Horn moved to table action to
October 18, 1982. Motion seconded by Councilman Geving. The following
voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson, Councilmen
Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Motion carried.
CARVER BEACH LAKESHORE: Mayor Hamilton noted that numerous boats are
being stored along the shoreline of Lotus Lake. He suggested that staff
find out who ownes the boats and give the owners five days to remove them
of the City will impound the boats. The boat launch area has been
cleared with a caterpillar to the lake. Scott Martin noted that the
Park and Recreation Commission will be discussing the boat storage
problem at their October 5th meeting.
METROPOLITAN COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING, STATUS OF HIGHWAY 5: Staff will
prepare a resolution for Council approval recommending that the Metro
Council reconsider the inclusion of Highway 5 in the Metropolitan
Highway System Plan that is currently under discussion. A public
hearing will be held on Tuesday, October 12.
Councilman Horn moved to adjourn. Motion seconded by Councilman Neveaux.
The following voted in favor: Mayor Hamilton, Councilwoman Swenson,
Councilmen Neveaux, Geving, and Horn. No negative votes. Meeting
adjourned at 11 :15 p.m.
Don Ashworth
City Manager