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CONTINUATION OF THE SEPTEMBER 5, 1978, COUNCIL MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER
11, 1978
Mayor Hobbs called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. with the following
members present: Councilmen Pearson and Waritz. Councilmen Neveaux and
Geving were absent.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Councilman Pearson moved to approve the agenda as
presented. Motion seconded by Councilman Waritz. The following voted in
favor: Mayor Hobbs, Councilmen Pearson and Waritz. No negative votes.
Motion carried.
ADOPT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT - CHARLES ANDERSON, PARCEL l22DOj2: This
assessment was mistakenly deleted from the North Service Area assessment
roll. The parcel abuts Glendale Drive south of Pleasant Acres.
Councilman Pearson moved to put the Charles Anderson, Parcel 122DOj2 on
the North Area assessment roll in the amount of $3,669.00 plus capitalized
construction interest. Motion seconded by Councilman Waritz. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Hobbs, Councilmen Pearson and Waritz.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
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COMMISSIONER APPOINTMENT - HRA: Mayor Hobbs nominated Clifford L.
Whitehill to fill the vacancy on the HRA.
RESOLUTION #78-51: Councilman Pearson moved the adoption of a resolution
approving the nomination of Clifford L. Whitehill to the HRA. Resolution
seconded by Councilman Waritz. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Hobbs, Councilmen Pearson and Waritz. No negative votes. Motion carried.
BIKE TRAIL GRANT APPROVAL: The city has been notified that the bike trail
grant application cannot be totally funded. The change in approval deletes
construction of an off road bike path from Powers Blvd. to Great Plains
Blvd. but will fund the widening and grade changes from Powers Blvd. to
Lake Ann Park.
RESOLUTION #78-52: Councilman Waritz moved the adoption of a resolution
approving the bike trail program from Powers Blvd. "(County Road 17) to
Lake Ann Park and requesting the City Manager draft a letter to State
Representatives and MnDOT making them aware of the city's disappointment
with the late determination of deletion of a portion of the project.
Resolution seconded by Councilman Pearson. The following voted in favor:
Mayor Hobbs, Councilmen Pearson and Waritz. No negative votes. Motion
carried.
SEWER, WATER, AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS - EAST LOTUS LAKE, ECKLUND AND
SWEDLUND: Don Penne, Riley Purgatory Creek Watershed District, Len and
Mark Swedlund were present.
Don Ashworth - Since the City Council. is c.onsidering the award of bids
I felt-as though thª-t it wa's very crucial to determine
if there was a problem with the concept plan itself. I
guess that's the basic question is whether or not the
concept plan is really changed or not and whether or not
that would create additional problems for the city as
well as the watershed district. I did take the incentive
to ask Mr. Penne to come here and realizing the financial
portion that would involve the city to try to determine
whether or not we are in a position to award these bids
or not.
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Mayor Hobbs - Evidently we were going under possibly a misconception
that this plan had basically been approved.
Bill Brezinsky- Our correspondence from the watershed district I I
thought referred just to Sketch Plan E and the
comments that were made by the district regarding
Sketch Plan E was given conceptaþprov~lwith certain
conditions. One of the conditions was that the lots
instead of being platted to the centerline of the
creek be platted some point short of the creek. This
was accomplished with the latest plan in that the lots
stop 50 feet short of the centerline of the creek.
The difference bet~aèn thi~'sketch" plan and the one
that the Council most recently approved was that
the Council required the conservation easement or
outlot. This was not a part of the original concept
plan and I guess we view that as a definite plus in
the overall development. The other change was a
cul-de-sac. This street iscu1-de-sacedinstead of
continuing through into the second phase. The cul-de-
sac being at the high point. There is no real change
in the drainage as I can see it. The plan did propose
to have lots platte4 in the second phase to the
centerline of the low area. There was a proposed
ponding area. This would be in the second phase
and the Council has not approved it. We would have
to review it quite closely particularly since this
has been designated as a wetlands area by the DNR.
It may preclude developing building in this entire I
area. I know this is something we are going to have
to look at in the future. This is a concept plan.
It isn't a preliminary plat that's been approved by
the city. Right now the preliminary plat for the
part of this development that's been approved by the
city is just this first phase. Our feeling is that
in this first phase we have adhered to all the
watershed district directives or requirements and we
feel this should be reviewed on its own. I appreciate
getting on the watershed district's agenda this last
time because we were so late in the year getting these
plans out and I guess the only reason we are here
to night and talking about this is because it is so
late in the year and it puts us, the city and Mr.
Swedlund, in a difficult position where any delay
pushes it out into the bad months and we don't know
what's going to happen. A delay right now pushes
this construction of this project out into the area
where it's questionable where we could meet the
watershed district criteria for restoration which
is October 15. We "feel we can meet it now. If we
have an extended delay then it 's going to make that
difficult. We want to know what alternatives do we
have, the city wants this project to go ahead because I
we have assessed this entire area. I feel that the
city has given this plan due consideration through
the Planning Commission and the Council.
Mayor Hobbs - Maybe we could ask Mr. Penne to relate to us what the
purpose was at your meeting for tabling action.
Don Penne - We have a policy in the watershed district that we like to
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look at an entire area as.' far as water interaction is
concerned. The first that this board saw this plan was in 1974
when the developer came in and proposed lagoons in the area
and a bunch of things that just wouldn't fly. We worked with
them. That was plans a through e at that time. Starting in
1974 we had almost monthly on the agenda various plans that
the developer brought in and the concept plan that we approved
was the 6th of November 1974 and in that concept plan and
the letter that we directed to the City of Chanhassen, we said
the following, "Mr. Rick Sathre from McCombs-Knutson
representing Ecklund and Swedlund, with a residential
development on Lotus Lake was present to review the revised
plans and specifications for an 84 acre site." We approved
that in conceptual form with the following reservations.
l. That the lots in the development riparian to Purgatory
Creek be platted to the natural high water mark of the creek
rather than the centerline of Purgatory Creek. Easements
or dedications of land lying to the north of the creek be
given to the City of Chanhassen to insure a green belt
strip along Purgatory Creek on the development side of the
creek.
2. That there be some paper work, a proposed sketch.
3. That all appropriate grading and utility plans and
specifications including those for the proposed future holding
pond be delineated on the concept sketch be submitted to the
district for review and approval prior to commencement
of any construction activity on the site.
We have been consistent for four years through maµy many
varieties of plans. That the whole program be submitted to
us so they don 't submit a plan for the easy to build area
and leave off the more difficult to build area. As late as
March 1977 when the last p1an"came in which was Plan G, we
have been consistent all the way through and the developer
has presented to us an integral plan, not just one area but
the full plan, so when the plan was presented to us this last
time, last Wednesday, for just a piece of this this hit us
as quite a shock because this was very inconsistent with
the policy that we have clearly laid out and all the
documentation through four years that we have submitted to
Chanhassen. The developer has not gone back to the DNR to
discuss any of the development or any of the constraints that
he would have to have to work in public waters which is the
pond area in one of the phases of the development. We would
not encourage any developer and would not like to see you
approve of a piece of it.where there is going to be
interrelation between that piece and that piece and that piece.
You are dealing with three areas of water. You are dealing
with Lotus Lake. You are dealing with the creek and you are
dealing with a marsh which is public water according to the
DNR. You have not addressed yourself to these three areas
with a permit application and that's why we turned the plan
down.
I have a list of things that we have asked for.
I"¡~askedön,Òtlr'·~l.e:tter of 3-77 that you do not have an
encroachment into Purgatory Creek. Your plan went along with
that and·that part is okay. We asked that you not have
encroachment into Lotus Lake.' You went along with that.
That part of the plan is okay. We asked that you have a
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setback from the creek. You went along with that and
that part is okay. We asked that you design and plan
your creek crossing. You did this and that part is okay. I
We asked that you obtain necessary permits. That you
advise the DNR before you work in public water. You have
not done this. The DNR has received no request for
permits from you. We ask that you do this.
Mayor Hobbs - If we approve the bids would that be part of that Bill
or should we have made application?
Bill Brezinsky - In this particular project we would not be working
in public waters.
Don Penne - If you break up the overall development area into three
separate areas and treat each one separately as though
they were unrelated to each other that would be true but
we are asking that you don't do this. We are asking that
you look at it as an integrated package like you have in
the past.
Russell Larson - There was a plan which had received concept approval
by the city under our planned unit development district
zoning. The portion that was approved for construction
is that which has been delineated as Phase 1 and is
the plat that you reviewed the other evening as I
understand it. The balance of the lands would be
platted as an outlot awaiting for the demand for
housing and the availability of financing for that
construction. It's a staged development which will
encompass that entire tract of land along that concept.
I am not saying that there might be minor shifts I
or changes in that concept but they would all
be submitted to-your agency and DNR before
implementation of any development in the so called
outlot area. We are just staging the development.
Don Penne - The plan that we approved involved a park acquisition that
was to be acquired either by purchase of by dedication.
Russell Larson - I question whether you have the authority to tell us
where we should site our parks.
Don Penne - I doubt that we do have. I think anything that we say to
you is recommendation and I think you are free to accent
what we say or you are free to fly in the face of what we
advise you.
Russell Larson - We have established a park right adjacent to this
property. It will ultimately be 20 plus acres. The
developer has agreed to contribute to our park fund
in lieu of a dedication of a park.
Don Penne - What I am saying is that what you have now is about half
of the park dedication or purchase that we agreed to back
in 1974 and what you are asking us to do is to have a
plan that's completely different than we approved.
Russell Larson - Forgive me for saying so but I fail to see how a
park is in any way related to a watershed. I understand
that your function of your board is to deal with
the watershed district. You are not a park district. I
The demarcation of park lands in this city rests
solely with that board.
Don Penne - One of the aspects that the watershed district has tried
to do is to preserve a part of the area around lakes and
around creeks. Has tried to see that the area that
normally, for example would be in the high~Mater area
an area that might be in a flood plain, could be preserved
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so that flooding of the creek, so that overflow of the lake
could be preserved in an area that's not built upon and this
park naturally falls in park lands so the two of them....
Russell Larson - That "s a commendable approach but I think we have done
that with this particular plan. The outlot B up there is
to be entirely reserved for conservation purposes except
a small trail that the city mayor may not put through
there.
Mayor Hobbs - If you are talking about permits for working in public
waters, I guess the question I would have, in view of the
city or the developer made application for a permit at this
point in time to work in here, it may not be worked in for
ten years. I don't know what the purpose would be of
applying or trying to get this if nothing is going to
happen.
Don Penne - Is working in public waters in that area of the pond involve
any relationship for putting the roads through or the sewer
involve any relationship to the high area? Is there no
relationship between the two?
Mayor Hobbs - At this particular point in time I think not.
Bill Brezinsky - There would be no construc.tion in that area at all in
any public waters.
Don Penne - Topographically there is no interrelationship between those
three parcels of land. They are to be treated as individual
separate pieces of land?
Bill Brezinsky - There is drainage from this first phase that will go
into the low area.
Mayor Hobbs - I think from a concept approach on all of the plans that we
have looked at the concept is that this will stay a natural
ponding are,a. It mayor may not be, depending upon what
the DNR wants to do in the future, whether the developer
would even be allowed to build at all in here. None of
the plans have shown that this potentially would be filled.
I suppose that could happen. It would have to go back to
the DNR and the watershed and the Planning Commission and
the City Council before something like that could take
place but I think the intent of this area is to keep this
as a natural marsh land. How much of it will be kept that
way I think is probably incumbent upon future legislation.
We don't know. None of us in this room know. It may be
that all of it will. It might be that we would require
a setback from the ponding area. To really put detailed
time and effort over into here I think we could do that
and what we came up with might be fliped 180 degrees out
of phase three years down the road. vJe, being all of us
involved. .
Don Penne - I guess my point is, in 1974 that was done. A detailed plan
was made of this area. You looked' at this plan and we looked
at this-plan and you didn't like it. Another plan was made
you didn't like it; A whole series of plans have been made
that involve the whole parcel of land. I would ask you why
was the whole area considered in total up to this point and
all of a sudden now you are taking a piece of it.
Mayor Hobbs - We have done that on quite a number of developments.
sure right now the reason we are taking a piece of it
strictly financial both from the city's point of view
the developers.
Don Penne - I am sorry I expressed my question poorly. We have large areas
for example that have seven phases, eight phases but what we
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see first is the overall plan. This doesn!t mean the
developer is going to in the immediate future build
anything other than the first phase but by looking at all I
the phases everyone concerned has an idea that these
phases are going to work together. By only looking at
one phase here, by only approving one phase and not
looking at phase two, not looking at phase three from a
planning standpoint don't you run the risk really of
pinning them to something that is built wrong.
Mayor Hobbs - Sure, maybe we are not that far off. I think that the
Planning Commission and the City Council are looking
from here to here the way this particular plan is
presented as a concept. I think if it were radically
changed, which it could be, it would take a lot of
serious study.
Don Ashworth - This concept plan, what was approved by the city,
our purpose in the first phase is simply from a
requirement of platting to insure that all of the work
is completed. In a development we will only allow that
portion of a concept plan which is going to be completed,
where all . improvements are guaranteed to be completed,
to go ahead and of course that's the reason that we
are requiring first phase and a guarantee of all
public improvements in that 'first phase with the rest
of it being an outlot. We did approve that concept
plan for the entire tract. I don't think in that
other area that the city has changed anything in that,
or the developer, in that section from the original I
concept plan.
Mayor Hobbs - I think we are in agréement. We wouldn't allow a
developer to come in and just plat phase one and leave
the rest of the map blank.
Don Penne - Are you saying then that you will ask him to show you the
general planning for the rest before you allow him to start
building in phase one.
Mayor Hobbs - I think that's what this is. It depends upon your
interpretation of general planning.
Don Penne - What plan did you approve? Was it Plan E? Was it Plan E
revision 1? 1,vas it Plan F or was it Plan G?
Bill Brezinsky - Plan F.
Don Penne - All the way through we have been with the overall concept.
Russell Larson -This is what we have been working with all the way
through.
Don Penne - In order to work with the overall concept and approve it
that the DNR has to approve. You have to have the approval
of the DNR to work in this area.
Russell Larson - Let me explain to you why we are doing it in the way
we have outlined. It's been our city policy that in
our phasing developments rather than to plat an area
like this, the whole preliminary plat, we will require
the developer to. create this as an outlot then at I
some future date when he comes back in to get a
final plat so he can go in and do his work and
subdivide then we will call back into play this
initially approved èoncept plan and insist that he
adhere to it and get the necessary permits. It is
quite possible that this pond here may change,
the use of the pond may change, the DNR or you people
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may direct at the time that it comes to you, that no,
we want you to set thes.e lot lines back, that there is to
be no conservation easement, this is to be an outlot
and retained and maintained by the city. This is your
prerogative. You may require as a part of your surface
drainage that there may have to be some realignment of
one or mOre of the streets here. We don't question you
there at all.
This pond is not a part of phase one. This pond remains
as a part of the outlot.
Don Penne - If you develop it here you are drastically changing the
characteristics of the pond by the run off maybe. Don't you
want to determine what that's going to be before it affects
the pond?
Russell Larson - I don't think that that is particularly significant.
Don Penne - You may destroy the pond.
Bill Brezinsky - It's a swamp.
Don Penne ~ The DNR has declared this as public water. Does the DNR
, permit you to use their pond to drain this material?
Bill Brezinsky - If you would like I could read our last conversàtian,
with the DNR regarding this. The last meeting was in
1974 and the meeting was with Len Swedlund, Jack
Swedlund, Dick Knutson, Carl Dale, Jbhtf Chell of the DNR,
Ron Harnack, Al Gebhart, Lloyd Schnelle, Don Berg, and
Bill Schoe11. n!:fôhn E:he11 reported that the DNR report
had been completed and would be sent out from the St.
Paul office on 11-6 but Ron Harnack wo~ld give a verbal
report. The DNR is concerned about the use of _ the
flood plain, the effects of excavatiOn&fÙd.g.poil~
disposition on the flood plain: they assume a ~' rise
in Lotus Lake. level, and ì:.::hd..8'..'~d..11 have to be evaluated
regarding its effect on other shore properties. Also
dredging in the lake outlet area will damage the only
area in the lake which is a good northern pike spawning
area." That's the dredging area which has never been
approved by the DNR or the city. "The existing
public access is now chained off so is not considered
by the DNR as a public access and the Divn. of Fisheries
will not do any more stocking. The lake needs stocking
to support the fishing pressure it gets. In excavating
the area, an outlet control structure will be needed.
Additional studies will be necessary to determine the
effect on the downstream flow. The northern portion
proposed for dredging is primarily cattails."
Regarding the pond in a letter from Al Gebhard November
19, 1974, which says; "We .hàve determined that the
proposed filling represents approximately 6.3 percent
of the total flood plain volume contained in the
development. If a-flood plain. encroachment of 6.3 percent
were applied to the entire flood plain area around Lotus
Lake, a' rise in the flood plain. elevation of approximately
.19 feet would be expected. This is within the criteria
of the watershed district and the flood plain filling
shown on the plat is ther~fore acceptable." I guess
this,is the whole reason that I don't see this as a
serious problem on this. because we have this letter
which says· you could_fill 6.3. percent of the flood
plain· looking at the total development. This phase we
aren't proposing the filling of any of it and maybe
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on the next one we won't propose the filling of
any of it. The whole point is why propose doing
anything with it as long as it was adequate with
filling. It certainly going to be adequate without
touching it.
Don Penne - In 1974 this was not considered as public waters.
Russell Larson - I am aware of the position that the DNR is taking
with respect to these alleged "public waters". I take
issue with that in the traditional sense we know what
public waters are and so do you. Now they seems to
becoming along and designating a certain privately
owned marsh areas as public waters and restricting
or taking away the rights of use by the property
owner. If they want to do that then ultimately they
are going to face the test of the Minnesota and United
States Constitution taking of private property without
due compensation. I would say to you and to this
board that that issue is not yet resolved. I say to
you and this board there has been no determination
here that that pond is public waters. We recognize
that it is a part of a watershed or drainage way.
It's a collector for surface water drainage and we
at the city level, I think, historically and will
continue to do so, have honored that and we have
respected that and we have done everything in our
power to preserve that or enhance its value for that
purpose. I think you are going to have to rely on
our good intentions and our past history in that I
regard as we do with you and as we do with the DNR.
More importantly you have the controls that you can
employ to insure that we do honor that in the future.
Don Penne - I might say this is why Chanhassen is such a beautiful area
and Bloomington is such a mess because you have adhered
to it, they haven't.
We are having a special meeting on September 20 and Fred
said we would be happy to put that on the agenda if that
would accommodate you.
Don Ashworth -What action can we reasonably take?
Don Penne - What we have told you since 1974. Go to the DNR and
a permit to work in that area. Get the developer to
you an overall plan from the standpoint of how he is
to interconnect the water system, how he is going to
interface-with these other areas. That would be our
recommendation.
Bill Brezinsky - I would like to say something about getting a DNR
permit. I have been told by the DNR that unless we
do work within the publiè waters then there is no
need to apply for a permit and they better not see
them because they are overloaded in the first place.
We are talking about something here on this particular
project where we are not going into public waters.
It is true as in any other area in Chanhassen the
run off from this area is going to get to public
waters. I am just questioning going to the DNR when
they are going to tell us you don't need a permit.
Mayor Hobbs - If we feel that the concept of what we are trying to do
is in accord with all of our thinking we don't want to
necessarily cause ourselves as a city and the developer
ultimately another $50,000, $60,000. That's where we
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are. I don't think we have gone helter ske1ter. It has
been a well looked at plan. I think what we are looking at
tonight gets down to the hard dollars and cents. I feel in
my own mind, I cannot speak for the rest of the Council,
that the integrity of this land is not going to be violated.
Don Ashworth - Would it be then in agreement with what the watershed
district has done if the Council would award the bids
subject to DNR approval for that ponding area?
Don Penne - I think there are two parts to it. I think you want to see
where yourwatermains and where your sewers and where your
streets are going to go conceptually in the two other phases
to see it that thing flies together.
Don Ashworth - I think we have done that.
Don Penne - I don't think you have done that from the standpoint of sewer
and water.
Bill Brezinsky - The sewer and water are going to be in the streets and
as far as the storm sewer and the ponding area, this
may be five or ten years from now and the regulations
that you have to follow have changed. We have seen that
right now. If we gQ through and spend the money to
design a storm sewer system and the ponding area and
so forth and then it doe$n't go for five years and then
that's all out, who is going to pay the money? 1
look at it, are we right now with this development
damaging that ponding area or damaging the creek or the
lake? I see that is the question.
Mayor Hobbs - The trunk sewer is in.
Len Swedlund - As far as I am concerned I don't see what the big basic
problem is here. We know what the center of the project
is. We know that the drainage all goes that direction.
It always has and it always will. The drainage from both
ends is going to have to be·taken care of through the
middle of the project. That is no different than it has
been since time began. Any time you go to buy a piece of
property any developers first concern is drainage, where
is the water going to' go. If you can't find some place
for the water you better turn around and go someplace else.
Every piece of property that we have developed over these
period of years is always been· some place basically where
we can dispose of the water. The next step that McCombs-
Knutson was going to take was to get back to the DNR
and again approach the lagoon area and see whether they
w~re in favor, of that or whether we were going to be
extending the lots right out to the lake. That was their
prerogative; We are ready to, conform to anything they
might require and '. the, same way with the other portions.
Mayor Hobbs - What is the average lot size in here?
Len Swedlund - 15,000 square feet.
Mayor Hobbs - Let's say we develope the sewer, street, fairly extensive
plan, storm sewer and drainage. This city has felt in the
last year or two because of escalating land costs, we have
taken a very serious look in'lowering, eppecially in a PUD,
the city's minimum lot size because we are also charged
with providing housing for people that want to live in an
area that's affordable and we know·what's happening so we
have in other areas that don't necessarily directly affect
the watershed gone down to lot sizes 9,700 square feet,
9,400. For the sake of conversation, let's say that that
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did take place. If property values keep going the way
they are going gosh knows what!s going to happen. That
would completely change every bit of your storm sewer I
and drainage waters, possibly even change the·streets.
We don!t know. I don't think the developer knows and
I guess all of us sitting in public office right now
are very very cognizântof the expenditure of anybodys
money. I guess it really disturbs me a little bit, Len
said drainage comes here and here, you have got the
topography here, for him to go out and either be delayed
or spend ~4, 000 or $5 ',000 and the watershed , city, the
Planning Commission could say okay we are satisfied
that you have handled it and then five years down the
road this piece of property could take a completely
different approach and what happens to that, you start
allover again. You have to. . That's where I really
have a problem in asking somebody to do that kind of
really definitive planning.
Don Penne - The watershed board is an advisory board. As I understand
the legality of it you are free to use our advice or fly
in the face of it.
Mayor Hobbs - That's what we want to stay away from.
Don Ashworth - After you have reviewed this file and even going through
what the Council has considered, what do you see as
being the action of the watershed district on the 20th?
Don Penne - Is it back on the agenda for the 20th? We have a special
meeting on the 20th to discuss budgets and election of
officers and things like that. I
Don Ashworth - I thought you had said it would be on the 20th.
Let's assume that it was. Would there be further
delays at that point? What additional would you want
or do you feel as though you have got some additional
imput?
Don Penne - I can only speak for myself and I understand your dilemna.
Don Ashworth - There is a large public cost associated with the sewer
and water that we did talk about but in addition to that
before the Council tonight is the public improvement
portion and I am wondering, in your own mind do you
feel as though that you are at a point where on the
20th that the watershed district could make a decision
or are there factors that-you know of right now that
would not allow them to make a decision?
Don Penne - Two factors that would tend to mitigate against a decision
are the reaction of the DNR and the possibility that
future water and sewer in the other two phases might be
adversely impact to present plan for sewer and water in
the first phase. We would like to see a relationship.
I suspect there would be no problem there at all but I
think we would like to see that.
Mayor Hobbs - Bill has indicated that we were talking about a permit
to work in any public waters and the ponding area, if
the DNR was contacted and they said that we did not need I
to make application to develope phase one as it relates
to that ponding area, would that suffice with the
watershed district?
Bill Brezinsky - I am certain that the DNR will say if we would submit
these plans to them or if I would call them and ask
them if we need to get a permit for this particular
phase one, they would way no you are not working in
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public waters you don't need to get a perrott.
That's all there is to it. If we would go to them with
this entire concept plan and ask for some kind of
approval, well c~rtain1y they would review it.
Don Penne - I guess by that logic too, we wouldn't look at any hay bales
or any protection of the pond at all, we are only looking at
phase one. Anything that ran down into the pond would not
be affected.
Bill Brezinsky - I believe that on Sketch Plan F we have a sanitary
sewer and storm sewer system.
Mayor Hobbs - We value the recommendations we get from the watershed and
I think if you go back and look at how we have worked with
you as a city you will find I don't think there are many
of your recommendations that haven't been followed.
Don Penne - It's been a good relationship. I certainly don't want us to
deal or sit on legal technicalities. I think our point is
to try and get a workable plan here that doesn't screw up
three water courses and if there is anything we can do in
the nine days between now and the 20th we certainly put it
back on the agenda. Fred agreed to put it back on the
agenda and maybe we can work with Bill and we can get
something that will convince the other managers that the
plan isn't going to end up with incompatibility if and when
these other phases are built.
RESOLUTION #78-53: Councilman Waritz moved the adoption of the following
resolution:.. . . ' . .,'
iNHEREAS the concept plaríhas been submi.tted to. the, watershed district.
HHEREAS in' phase oriewe have 'set, backthe..lot1inesSO feet .from the
centerline of ,the creek- bed.-
tffiEREASin phase one we have asked.for and received a conservation
easement along Lotus Lake.
WHEREAS the Council was very much aware of the future ponding area and
development,
THEREFORE the Council accepts the low bid of Nodland and Associates
of Alexandria in the amount of $258,576.00 for Lotus Lake Estate area
for sewer, water and street improvements. Resolution seconded by
Councilman Pearson. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hobbs, Councilmen
Pearson and Waritz. No negative votes. Motion carried.
ROOS PROFESSIONAL BUILDINGS: Mr. Roman Roos was present asking Council
approval to rotate his proposed buildings to fit the land better. Mr.
Roos will have to appear before the Council at a future time for the land
sale and this item will be considered at that time.
PUBLIC HEARING
DISEASED TREE SPECIAL ASSESS~NTS - 1978
Mayor Hobbs called the hearing to order. Doug Mitchell was present.
The purpose of this hearing is to assess property owners who have not
paid for diseased trees that were removed from their property. The
City Manager recommended that the Council adopt a resolution providing
allowing the City to certify unpaid amounts that are unpaid as of
October 2, 1978.
RESOLUTION #78-54: Councilman Pearson moved the adoption of a resolution
adopting diseased tree assessments. for 1978p.er:theCityMa:nagerJs -
reporto£ Seþ·tembér·~,· ·1978-."..-At; ,an.ii:Ìterer,;-þ':ra·te'..óf' 8. percent. All
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bills ùnpaid as ofi:October 2, 1978, will he charged 1iHJf;fuötét:-han
$20.00 per year as a certification and administrative cost. Resolution
seconded by Councilman Waritz. The following voted in favor: Mayor I
Hobbs, Councilmen Pearson and Waritz. No negative votes. Motion
carried.
Councilman Pearson moved to adjoúrn. Motion seconded by Councilman
Waritz. The following voted in favor: Mayor Hobbs, Councilmen Pearson
and Waritz. No negative votes. Meeting adjoùrned at 9:15 p.m.
Don Ashworth
City Manager
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