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PUBLIC HEARING
COMMUNITY DE\ÆI.DPMENT BIOŒ GRANT APPLICATION
FEBRUARY 9, 1976, AT 7: 00 P.M.
Mayor Klingelhutz called the public hearing to order with the following rrernbers
present: CounciJmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. Councilman Shulstad was absent.
'Ihe following interested persons were present:
Bill Janich, 6777 Carver Beach Road, Excelsior
Bill MJreno, 6795 Carver Beach Road, Excelsior
Phyllis Pope, 7055 Carver Beach Road, Excelsior
James A. Callinan, 6613 Horseshoe Curve, Excelsior
E. Lauren Hillquist, 501 Del Rio Drive, Chanhassen
Mr. and Mrs. Willard Johnson, 1660 West 63rd Street, Excelsior
Mike Nierreyer, 6798 Huron, Excelsior
Richard Rossing, 6792 Carver Beach Road, Excelsior
The City Planner explained that there is a two step review process. First it is
reviewed by the Metropolitan Council for its consistency to the developrrent
frarrework in the plans and programs of the M3tropolitan Council. 'Ihe M3tropolitan
Council makes a reconmendation to the Housing and Urban Developrrent which reviews
the program. Chanhassen fairs pretty well against the M3tropolitan Council criteria
but not the HUD criteria because they use the gross census date of the 1970 census
to rate Chanhassen against other corrrrnunities applying for the block grant. A
sewer and water project is a low priority item and probably would not be funded
through a corrmunity development block grant.
Mike Niemeyer - 'Ihe information that Bruce Pankonin has brought forth this
evening sounds a bit on the negative side but I would like to
encourage this body to continue with the work because if you
don't put the application in then we know for sure that the
funds would not be available to C11anhassen. It seems to rre
that the first step is to get the information before them and
then start to do all of the background which is necessary to
change their opinion at the HUD level, if that's necessary.
Furtherrrore, it seems that within the census date that's
required by the Federal Government they must be able to dig
deep enough to break. it down to determine that there are
pockets within a comnunity that are of a lower incorre level than
the general area and with enough research on their part we
should be able to make a pretty strong attempt to influence
them and to change their opinion in what seems like a pretty good
idea.
Jim Callinan, lake Study Corrmittee - We were a little concerned about the fact
that there is a road being deleted down to what is now the public
beach property on the lake. We don't find any objection to
changing the road as long as there will be sorre future way to
get in there.
Mayor Klingelhutz - We will be discussing that later during the Carver Beach
Sewer Project.
A rrotion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Kurvers to close
the public hearing. 'Ihe following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen
Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. Hearing adjourned at 7:25 p.m.
Jerry Schlenk
Acting Clerk-Administrator
SPECIAL C1~Sffi~ CITY COUNCIL MEETING FEBRUARY 9, 1976
Iv'øyor Klingelhutz called the Special Council t~eting to order at 7:25 p.m.
wi th the following members present: Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers.
Councilman Shulstad was absent.
COMMUNITY DEVEIOPMENT BIOΠGRANT: Councilman Hobbs suggested that the
application should be submitted and a letter be drafted from the Council to our
Representative and two Senators outlining the fact that 1) if this gets ultimate
approval from the M2tropolitan Council that HUD seems to have a different criteria
and 2) what we feel is sorre inconsistency in taking the overall census without
going a little deeper , and asking these three rren what they can do in terms of
discussing our proposal with HUD in Washington.
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Councilman Neveaux - I will agree. We should push it ahead to completion. We
should contact our Federal Representatives and bring sorre
of these facts out in the open. There are definitely
inequalities in HUD's approach to these problems.
Councilræ.n Kurvers - I think we should proceed too, but I would like to keep
it on the level of low and rroderate income people.
Councilman Hobbs - We should get back from HlJD an explanation on why we did or
did not receive the grant.
A rrotion was made by Counci1ma.n Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux to
direct the Planner to draft the narrative and work with the Council to draft a
letter to our Federal Representatives letting them know we are applying for
this Block Grant and hope they will expend every effort they can to help us I
secure it. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs,
Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. MJtion carried.
CITY ACCOUNTANT:. Virgil Hoffman of Hoffman and Hoffman and Tom Brunberg of M.
J. Long Company were present.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Hobbs to
accept the bid from the M. J. Long Company with the terms spelled out in a
letter from that firm dated January 19, 1976, for the audit of the funds of the
City of Chanhassen as after December 31, 1975, in the maximum amount of $3,950.00.
'Ihe following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and
Kurvers. No negative votes. I'-btion carried.
Mayor Klingelhutz - I do believe that Hoffman and Hoffman have given the City
good service and I would like to thank them.
PROJECT 75-2 LIFT STATION CONVERSIONS: Bill Brezinsky reported that the Sunrise
Hills Beach and Frontier Trail Lift Stations will have to be rrodified before they
are connected to the Carver Beach system. Fadden Pump Company has submitted a
proposal on the cost of the rrodification. Costs for the Sunrise Hills Beach
lift station are $4,981.50 and for Frontier Trail lift station $500.00. Fadden
Pump Company is the only supplier of smith and Loveless equipment in the area.
RESOLUTION #76-15: Councilman Hobbs rroved the adoption of a resolution
accepting bids submitted by Fadden Pump Company, $4,981.50 for rrodifications
of the Sunrise Hills Beach lift station and $500.00 for rrodification of the
Frontier Trail lift station as proposed on his letter of February 7, 1976.
Prices are Lo.b. Chanhassen. Resolution seconded by Councilman Kurvers. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and
Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion carried.
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ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS PROJECT 75-2: Bill Janich, Phyllis Pope, James Callinan,
Lauren Hillquist, Mike Nierreyer, Richard Rossing, Tim Stone, Jack Kreger, a.nd
Henry Wrase were present.
Alternative proposals have been suhnitted by Schoell and Madson, Carver Beach
Association and the City Maintenance Superintendent. Bill Brezinsky explained
the proposals. 'Ihe City Engineer feels that an absolute minimum of 18 feet
wide is necessary for a road to maintain two-way traffic.
1) He feels that West 68th Street could be widened to 22 feet from Nez Perce to
Huron. 'Ihe Carver Beach Association feels it should remain at 18 feet.
2) Devils Slide. 'Ihe slope of Devils Slide is 20%. The Engineer reconmended
that it be abandoned. 'Ihe Carver Beach Association feels it should be kept
open in the surmrer but not in the winter. Bill Brezinsky stated that if
it is kept open at all and maintained by the City is should be blacktopPed
because of the erosion problems.
Henry Wrase - I wouldn't like to maintain that road at any tirre of the year.
We do send the grader down once a year to try and level out the
washouts. I have given about one load of gravel a year down there.
We have never plowed it in the winter.
3) Delete paving on 66th Street from Robin Road to the lake access. 'Ihe Carver
Beach Association feels if that is vacated it might help eliminate sorre of
the problems they are· having with the lake access. This street is level
and should not cause a maintenance problem.
Bill Janich - If you try blacktopping it you are going to have an awful maintenance
problem because of the springs on that corner.
4) Delete paving on West 67th Street between Nez Perce and Kiowa. The abutting
property owners were contacted by Tim Stone and Mike Niemeyer and they have
no objection.
Mike Nierreyer - At the time that the Environmental Standards Corrmittee of Carver
Beach considered that particular road the property owners were
at that meeting and they felt that if the upper loop is completed
it would not be necessary but since that time Schoell and Madson
has pointed out to us that the upper loop would be an expensive
one requiring property acquisition for the right-of-way and we
feel that there is then a need for two accesses to as many of
the homes as possible so we would like to reinstate it as blacktop.
Bill Brezinsky - 'Ihe original plan it would have been blacktop. 'Ihis would be
consistent with the original plan.
5) 'Ihe Carver Beach Association suggested that a connection be made at the north
ends of Kiowa and Laredo along the existing right-of-way.
Bill Brezinsky - We have checked the elevations and it drops off very sharply.
If the connection was made, it could be made sorrewhere south of
the existing right-of-way but you are talking about acquiring
property for the road. It looks like it wouldn't be a bad
connection to make.
Henry Wrase - You've got a big hill to go down on both sides. If the Érlgineer' s
can figure out some way to get back up and around there it would
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be better than a cul-de-sac. I am afraid it is too steep. You
get down there we will have a hard time getting out. I think we
are going to have to live with a couple cul-de-sacs up in that end. I
The one on Kiowa is going to be hard to enlarge because of homes
that are in there.
Mike Niemeyer - We are hoping that some of the other considerations that we put
forth to Schoell and Madson would offset the cost of that
particular connection. There are some road sections that would
be taken off of the road as such and be left as existing right-
of-way and have grass on them. Our feeling on the north is that
it would be from a service point of view not only from maintenance
but from an errergency point of view it is a good concept.
6) The Engineer recommended a cul-de-sac at the west end of 67th Street.
'Ihe Carver Beach Association agrees with this.
M3.yor Klingelhutz - The only concern I got on that is they're going to pay for
a blacktop road and they aren't going to get any.
Bill Brezinsky - This might be a consideration at the assessrrent hearing. The
people who front on Powers Blvd. won1t have any road restored
in front of their homes either.
7) Elm Street. 'Ihe city Engineer shows this street as being blacktopped. 'Ihe
Carver Beach Association feels that this road rraybe vacated sorreday and the
blacktop would be a waste of ITOney. 'Ihe Engineer recommends it be blacktopped I
if the City is going to ræ.intain it because of the steep slope of 15 to 20%
grade for 250 feet. Gravel will not hold on the slope. 'Ihe street is only
16 feet wide and one way in the winter now, rraybe make ita 12 foot wide
one way street going west to east would solve the problem.
8) West 69th Street. Originally a cul-de-sac was recomrrended. 1.^lest 69th Street
was to be vacated both east and west of Iroquois. 'Ihere is no place to put
a cul-de-sac. The Engineer recomrrended blacktopping Iroquois and then west
to Carver Beach Road.
Mike Niemeyer - It is the feeling of the association that that particular road
would be an expenditure of nDney that would not be appropriate
for the current needs and a long range situation would be taken
care of in the years when developrrent does happen. Currently
the one house is atterrpting to acquire the land through to Huron.
That will eliminate 'the biggest problem. If they fail to do
that a gravel road would still handle it on an interim basis
and they are happy with that. At least they were happy with it
Saturday.
Mayor Klingelhutz - That would be a private road at that time. It wouldn't be
rraintained by the City.
Mike Niemeyer - 'Ihat is something I guess you would have to advise us on. It
is a city right-of-way. It would be less expensive to leave it
unapved and I think that is part of the concern of the association
to hold the costs down, spend ITOney on those items which are
compatible with the long range plans for the comnuni ty.
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9) Mandan, south of EJm Road. The Engineer sees no reason to pave that portion
of Mandan right now. It does not give access to anyone. 'Ihe Association
concurs with this.
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10) A cul-de-sac at the north end of Iroquois is not necessary unless 66th St;r;-eet
and Huron are closed. The Engineer recomrœnded this be delayed.
11) 'Ihe Engineer recorrrnended a cul-de-sac at the end of Carver Beach Road.
Nez Perce south of Carver Beach Road and Carver Beach Road are proposed to be
24 feet wide. The remaining streets will be 18 feet wide.
Mike Nierreyer -
'Ihe question of West 68th Street between Nez Perce and Huron,
the neighborhood feels that there are a number of homes that
front on this road, there are a number of young children and a
number of pets, and that widening it will tend to encourage
speed on it so we feel that a reasonable idea to maintain it
as a narrow route assuming that ultimately there will be another
connection made possibly along Dogwood. ~^le are not saying take
it below the 18 because that does get tight in the winter.
However, it's a road that has had no accidents. We would like
to encourage you to keep this at a paved 18 feet.
The question of Devils Slide. It is part of the question of
how do you get to the north Carver Beach area. We ask that
Schoell arrl Madson look at alternative routes into this area
because there is a need for double access to as many houses as
possible. Schoell and Madson have advised us that there are not
reasonable alternatives to get to the area. 'Ihey generally
agree with us that the best access to the area is to the north up
to Pleasant View when the 'Ihompson property is developed. Our
feeling is, all right we will have to accept status quo on this
for the rroment and probably will not be able to do a great deal
of road development down here. Our original suggestion was
we will asphalt that portion which the Guide Plan calls for
asphalt ultinately. 'Ihat gave us the unique situation of having
a horseshoe shaped piece of paving down here with no connection.
The Guide Plan suggests that Huron will eventually be a public
pedestrian, bicycle, snowrrobile trail and not a roadway assuming
that alternative roadways will be found into this area. If
we leave Huron as gravel for the tirre being we should maintain
Devils Slide open just as a second access in an errergency situation
if needed. We have a situation where we have approxirrately a
dozen horres down here, a very lengthy piece of road that could
be blocked in an emergency situation and totally taking it out
as a passage would eliminate any alternative route into the area.
If we pave that it starts to become a fixed road and it's not a
good answer. Are there no other alternative means of surfacing
that to maintain it in the sumner use only?
It is not our intention to prohibit access to the boat landing.
We are keeping it as it is, a gravel connection from 68th.
The question of EJm and Mandan. This is a tough question because
we really have only one, possibly two horres in the entire area
that are served by fairly extensive and expensive asphalt. Our
feeling was that although the sewer and water nay run through on
the existing easement, ultimately a reasonable developrrent of
this suggests that there be another possible configuration to
the road through there. We would like the paving of this be
held in abeyance until this area is starting to develop at which
tirre a reasonable plan can be laid out.
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Henry Wrase - I am somewhat concerned about the rraintenance pa;¡;t of the g;r:-avel
roads. I don T t know how I can ever put a man do~ Huron with
manholes and water valves sticking up allover tfue place and
expect that particular road to be maintained in rl ywheres near I
the condition it is being done today.
Bill Brezinsky - The next one to discuss is Devils Slide if yo* want to keep
that open for summer use and I guess Henry on¢e a year you
would have to go in and grade it. I
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Henry Wrase - I think they have agreed on that. I think that's about all Vic
Kohrran has gone down there is once maybe t..-wice i:: it's been washed
out real bad. I don't make a big effort because whatever we put
on there is washed out. The gravel ends up belo~v the hill.
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Mayor Klingelhutz - How much rrore water will be running down ~vilS Slide when
the rest of the streets are blacktopped? !
Bill Brezinsky - It will increase the intensity. It is naturat' runoff point.
Mike Niemeyer - Would it be possible to build an open concrete storm drain along
the side? !
Bill Brezinsky - It would be possible to keep the drainage in the ditches beside
the road the way it is now rather than fill the ditches and
direct the drainage onto the asphalt and then you get more
runoff that way.
Councilnan Hobbs - The situation we have got down there having only one egress
disturbs rre rrore than sorre of the other plafes that we are
trying to get two in. I
Bill Brezinsky - We can't find anything better within Carver Bfach. I
Councilnan Kurvers - What would it cost to close it off? Ther~ is safety
involved there of keeping the road open ~ that type of
standards. You take a person that gets list and goes down
that road it is the City's responsibility. Sure it's
temporary, if you're not going to gravel ;!< t or maintain
it and somebody drives off of there, who' responsibility
is that? I sure wouldn't vote for puttin it back in an
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Tim Stone - Frank, you have got to bear in mind that the peopl~ living in that
area it is their feeling that they can live with i~ as a gravel road.
I appreciate your concern for safety and I think u, timately we would
prefer a better route out of that area. As long a there isn't one
and as long as there is the possibility that there may be another one
some day it doesn't make a lot of sense to pave it now and end up
with a permanent road which ultinately may not be ::1eeded nor does it
make any sense not to restore it and give us at least a temporary
second means of egress.
Councilman Kurvers - It is pretty hard to sit up here and create an unsafe condition.
Councilman Hobbs - Why can't we put it in as a gravel road and put a road closed
sign at the top? !
Henry Wrase - I would have to agree with Frank it is a serious I thing that the
City goes and puts sewer and water in there and ~estores the street.
I think I would have to agree with Frank that we are probably
putting ourself in an awful predicament making a street out of it. I
At this point, the people living down there made the street. I
don't know who cut it out. 'Ihey are just using it. I just tell
the man to go in there and to their benefit to tfY and keep it
this way and maybe I an wrong. I was never ordered by the Council
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I'-13.yor Klingelhutz - You are saying that the street has never Ifen accepted by the
City?
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Henry Wrase - Right. My only request is to think twice when you are asking ~or
a gravel road with manholes in it because it is a year round
sîtuatîon where you are not only sending the grader out there to
grade them gravel roads with water valves and manholes standing in
them but also snowplowing, you want it done and these manholes
and water valves are supposed to be at surface level. If we bury
them four inches then we can live with them but I don't think
that the sewer departIœnt or the water departIœnt if sorrething
happens that we are going to find the water valve to shut water off.
If you cover them up. 'Ihey are going to have to be at surface.
This is my only concern. Do something to protect the wan that
is in the grader or snowplow. I did write a letter to the Council
suggesting some one way streets. I believe we could save sorre
ITOney and make some 12 or 14 foot roads and make them one way
to save some ITOney so we can blacktop.
Councilman Neveaux - I think we should have it (Devils Slide) as another access
for that area but I don't believe we should put any ITOney
into it as far as blacktopping and posting it as road closed
or errergency only.
Councilman Hobbs - I am not talking about rraintaining that road or plowing it
other than what we have done in the past. I am strictly
looking at it as maybe we can post it errergency only just so
that those people aren I t cut off completely. I am not saying
at all that you should rraintain it Henry.
Mayor Klingelhutz - I still have some trouble with it and that's the erosion
problem that's going to be extended with all the blacktop
and the water running down there. A lot of the water coming
down these roads is going to go down Devils Slide. What
must be done to that road to stop this erosion?
Bill Brezinsky - 'Ihere is a culvert that outlets on the north side of the road
and there is a gravel ditch down there sometimes where ITOst of
the runoff corres through. What we could do is not pave the road
but pave a swale on the north side of the road to take the runoff.
Mayor Klingelhutz - If we create a one way street with a 12 foot blacktop on it
and run the water right down the street wouldn't this solve
the whole problem?
Henry Wrase - I think for the rraintenance end of it because you got a lot of
drainage and you are going to have washing, you are going to have
dirt and sand coming down in the lower area and I think until the
day comes that they have another egress I believe it would have to
be blacktopped because once you get sewer and water digging up
there you are loosening the soil you are going to have ITOre erosion.
Tim Stone - I am still puzzled as to why we are expressing such concern about
runoff about a gravel road, all of the things which are basically
what exist right now which the residents have lived with for over
30 years and the residents are indicating they are willing to live
wi th on an interim basis for the next few years. Why can't it be a
gravel road? Once it is an asphalt road it will always be a road.'Jerry Schlenk - Why don't you just restore it the way it is now and someday in
the future when another road goes over to Pleasant View then
let it grow over in weeds.
Bill Brezinsky - I think there should be a sign up there that says errergency
aocess to keep people from wandering down there that don't
know what they are doing. 'Ihere will be no manholes or valves
in Devils Slide.
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Bill Janich - Huron is going to be a water and sewer line and for his (Henry
Wrase's) safety and his crews safety working that road on gravel
with those obstructions possibly creeping up hitting one of those I
and losing control of a piece of equipment that could be damaged
and somebody hurt plus the fact that there are quite a few lots
that face Huron that eventually may be built on and that would be
the only access for those lots that front on Huron. This Guide
Plan that we worked on some time ago calls for that to be made
into a foot path and for other than autorrobile traffic was a good
idea. I think we haven't been able to work out anything satisfactory
so far that shows any of our area used for such and I think it
would be nice if we had some paths and snowrrobile trails and stuff
like this through the area because we do have a nicely wooded area.
It is scenic and it can be a lot of fun but I don' t think Huron
is the proper place for that. I agree with Henry on the fact
tha t grading and plowing on there when water and sewer is in is
going to be a problem for him and his crew.
Mike Nierreyer - Henry mentioned putting the manholes down four inches and having to
put a marker stake alongside the road as an alternative. Another
might be to assume that you don't have to put the sewer up the
middle of the roadway. Why not put it off to the side? Another
possibility that the Association proposed at one time is to run
that forcemain in some other location than Huron and we still
think that has some viable potential. We don't like the idea of
being forced into a road that is not going to be a road.
Mayor Klingelhutz - Looking at the nap there are possibly six or seven lots
in Carver Beach that that's the only access they have is
Huron and sometime in the future those people are going to I
corre in and say, hay, we want blacktop road like the rest
of Carver Beach.
Councilrran Hobbs - We have been sitting here two hours and I want to know what
we are going to do on Devils Slide.
Bill Brezinsky - I recommend that Devils Slide be put back the way it is and that
the drainage upstream be changed or if the drainage upstream
from Devils Slide is improved then Devils Slide be improved to
take that drainage.
Mayor Klingelhutz - What's the difference in cost to change that drainageway
upstream from Devils Slide compared to the way it is planned?
What does it do to the project as far as beautification of
the area, less costly maintenance in the future?
Bill Brezinsky - If you improve the drainage upstream I think you improve all the
properties upstream. Fill the ditches and you slope the lots
directly to the street. 'Ihat I s what we would like to do and
wha t we have tried to do.
A rrotion was nade by Councilrran Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux to
restore Devils Slide with a base and leave it the way it is for emergency vehicles
only. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, CounciJmen Neveaux and
Hobbs. CounciJman Kurvers voted no. rvbtion carried.
Bill Brezinsky - Should West 66th Street be graveled? On Huron the water valves
can be kept off the road. The sewer manholes I feel are going
to have to be in the road because we have to have the horizontal
separation between the sewer and the water. The only thing I
can see if you leave it gravel is I think you are going to have
to bury the manholes.
Henry Wrase - I don't think you can get the water valves off the road far enough.
How are you going to grade and corre to a manhole and raise it and
start in again and get a decent road? It's impossible. This is
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the :r:ain road going down to those people and yet we want to leave
tha t part of it gravel. I know in the spring of the year and it
isn't maintained we are going to be called and the same way in
the winter. If we don't do a good job of maintaining we are
going to be criticized and I think. that if we can afford to spend
$150,000 or whatever we can afford to take care and blacktop
that part of the road. It certainly should be a blacktop job
wherever sewer and water goes.
Councilman Hobbs - I agree with you and I think thatIT\Y major problem corres from
looking at this development guide plan that was worked out
and passed by the Planning Corrmission and Council that shows
that road not there and I think that that's the question
that we have to face up to tonight. If we put it in there
and we blacktop it then it's going to be there.
Henry Wrase - I have one question, Walt, when is that going to happen?
Councilm:m Hobbs - That's a good question.
Bill Brezinsky - We can make that street 18 feet wide.
Henry Wrase - I have suggested some one way streets. 'Ihere is no question about
Elm. We can save a little ITDney by making some of these streets
one way. I haven't had a chance to rreet and discuss this with the
Association. 'Ihey talk about two egresses. You want to delete
Huron eventually and we are talking about going out to Pleasant
View. You will only have one and still you insist on having two
at this point by taking Devils Slide. I think we are going to live
with this gravel road (Huron) for the rest of our life.
Mayor Klingelhutz ~ I would have to agree with Henry and I would ask for a ITDtion
that we blacktop Huron up to the horseshoe at 18 feet.
Tim Stone - If the Guide Plan assumes that ultimately that would not be a paved
road if the City were to pave that now would the Council assure us
tha t if the neighborhood petitions to have the road derrolished and
remved that it could be done and would be done or are you talking
about arrending the Guide Plan? If you are talking about amending the
Guide Plan you are talking about amending it after a public hearing
has been held on paved road :layout. I don¡t know how you do that.
Mayor Klingelhutz - If the neighborhood decided to pay for the extra cost of
maintaining the road until such time as it was rerroved, we
would rerrove it at that time.
Councilman Kurvers - í.vhat is your recorrmendation Henry? What is your recorrmendation
on Huron?
Henry Wrase - My recormœndation is blacktop, that is what I am asking. I think
anyone of you gentlerren would ever get into a plow or grader and
try to maintain that road the way you people want it down there that's
what I am concerned about because I am sure if it's not graded
right we are going to get complaints. This is where 90% of the
traffic is going in and out on Huron. You have some people that
are cutting through on Devils Slide. 'Ib send a man in there with
a blade and hooking that stuff in the ground is going to be hard
on the equiprrent and hard on the rranholesand everything else and
if we got to bury them and there is problems that's another
situation. I would like to have it blacktopped. I can see you
have a guide plan and if we change it, I was not with this
understanding when I came. I wanted to present the maintenance end
of it. 'Ihis is all I am concerned about at this point.
Bill Brezinsky - 'Ihe manholes are going to end up in the street. You've got a
steep slope down on one side and a steep slope up on the other.
CounciJman Neveaux - We are going to end up with an 18 foot blacktopped snowrrobile
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trail. We can block it off when we finally decide no rrore
vehicular traffic. They will just have to put posts at one
end.
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A nDtion was nade by Council.m:3.n Kurvers and seconded by Councilrran Neveaux that
West 66th Street be blacktopped and Huron be blacktopped from 68th street
north at a width of 18 feet. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz,
Councilmen Neveaux and Kurvers. Councilman Hobbs voted no. MJtion carried.
Mike Niemeyer - I would like to see you hold on your vote until you have had a
chance to explore some of the ramifications of it.
Councilman Neveaux - The nDtion is subject to the Attorney's opinion.
Bill Brezinsky - I would recamnend that Elm be put in as a one way road running west
to east.
Henry Í^lrase - I would recomnend that Ivy be a 14 foot wide one way road. Iroquois
could be one way north to south connecting to 69th street one way
east to west.
Councilman Neveaux - I guess Bill, you'd better redue the map and run it through
Carver Beach again.
Councilman Hobbs - They are in agreerrent with the one down below. I don't think
there is any problem there.
'Ihe City Engineer will prepare a revised map with the suggested changes along with
cost estinates.
SEWER RATE STUDY: Frank Laska was present. The Sewer Board has the flowage up I
to 155,000,000 gallons per year. Mr. Laska feels there is some infiltration of
storm water into the sewer lines. 'Ihe sewer board cost is 47¢ per 1,000 gallong.
A report frcm the City Engineer will be forthcoming to the Council.
HESSE'S BLUFF CREEK: The Hesse's total bill was $2,560.50. They have paid an
escrow of $1,415.00. The Acting Administrator has discussed this bill with Herb
Baldwin and he stated that the Hesse's did not feel they should pay the bill
and if the Council insisted on it they would take it to court. Mr. Baldwin
is questioning $1,354.87 of the bill which is nDstly Carl Dale's planning.
Councilman Hobbs asked to have the Planner and Acting Administrator look over the
bills to see if they are valid or not.
A nDtion was nade by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Kurvers to
allow the Acting Administrator to negotiate with the Hesse's for not less than
$572.50. 'Ihe following voted in favor: M3.yor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs,
Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. MJtion carried.
RILEY-PURGA'IDRY CREEK YVATERSHED DISTRICT: Councilrran Neveaux reported on a
meeting with the Watershed District Board of Managers. They approved the Carver
Beach Sewer and vvater Project and Greenwood Shores Sewer and Water Project. 'Ihey
also passed a resolution supporting the Duck Lake Interceptor designation.
A nDtion was nade by Councilm,m Kurvers and seconded by Councilman Neveaux to I
adjourn. The following voted in favor: M:3.yor Klingelhutz, Councilræn Hobbs,
Neveaux, and Kurvers. ìb negative votes. Meeting adjourned at 11:30 p.m.
Jerry Schlenk
Acting Clerk-Administrator