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1976 09 28 I I I ASSESSMENT HEARING GREENVKX)D SHORES SEWER, WA'IER, .AND STREET ll1PROVEMENT PRQJECI' 75-3 SEPTEMBER 28, 1976, AT 7:30 P.M. Mayor KlingeThutz called the hearing to order with the following members present: Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and {tJari tz. Council.rren Kurvers was absent. The following persons were present: Mrs. John Mauritz, 6810 Tecumseh Lane Carol Watson, 1300 Greenwood Drive Carolyn Tischler, 6940 Tecumseh Lane William Engebretson, 1401 Greenv.;QOd Drive Mary Tesch, 6920 Tecumseh Lane Dorothy Seestadt, 6941 Tecumseh Lane Mr. and Mrs. John Daniel, 1221 West 68th Street Harry Benson, 6971 Tecumseh Lane Don Haarstad, 6930 Redman Lane Richard Potz, 6881 Tecumseh lane Ken Earhart, 1220 West 68th Street Ronald Pauly, 6940 Shawnee Lane Bill Brezinsky Bill Schoell Russell Larson Jerry Schlenk The City AttoD1ey read the official notice as published in the Carver County Herald. Bill Brezinsky explained the project and assessrrent procedure. The total <x>st of the proj ect is $579,977. 'Ihe <x>st of the lift station, force mains, and oversizing 10 inch and the entire cost of 12 inch sewer, and the <x>st of jacking sewer under County Road 17 are <x>nsidered trunk sewer costs. Trunk water <x>sts include jacking water under County Road 17, manholes and water main where there is no lateral benefit. The trunk facilities will be paid for by trunk unit charges from the area served. 'Ihese charges are $458 for sewer and $544 for water. It is city policy to assess trunk units against all on-line platted lots whether vacant or occupied. Each one of the 84 lots in Greenwood Shores will be assessed one trunk sewer and one trunk water unit. Trunk assessments for on-line unplatted property (property east of County Road 17) and off-line property (property that is not imÅ“diately served) are deferred until the property developes. 'Ihere are 4481 potential sewer units in the GreenWCXJd Shores project. These unit assessrrents will be levied when the property developes. The total unit <x>st for lots in Greenwood Shores is $5,669.00. The assessment will be spread over 15 years at 7~% simple interest. The Greenwood Shores sewer and water lines are all in and tested. This area depends on sewer service through the Carver Beach lift station. Electrical service to the lift station was <x>rrpleted today. In a short period of time Greenwood Shores residents can <x>nnect to the sewer. Letters will be sent notifying residents when <x>nnection can be made. The hearing was opened for camnents and questions from the floor- Bill Engebretson - We were told earlier that the top layer one tbe roads v-Duld be put on next year and I assuræ that <x>st is in this. Mayor KlingeThutz - Those costs are already included in this project. Bill Engebretson - At the lift station in the park are you going to put up a night light? Bill Brezinsky - The only thing that is there is the warning light on the lift station itself if the lift station is malfunctioning. We did not intend to put a light there. The city has had problems with vandalism on a lot of the lift stations and we are looking at several methods of protection of these lift stations and one of them <x>uld be lighting. I can't promise anything but I would say it is quite possible that there will be a light down there. Greenwood Shores Assessment Hearing September 28, 1976 -2- Bill Engebretson - It might take care of some of ow other problems in the p¡:trk. Mary Tesch - Is it <x>rrpulsory to have your septic tank pumped and filled? M3.yor KlingeThutz - At the time of hook up you must P'lIDlP your septic tank and break I the cover itself. This is usually part of the job that the fellow that puts the line in from the road to the house. Bill Schoell - We checked with the State Board of Health and Pollution Control Agency and they have said they no longer require a cesspool be purrped. Only that there be a structurally strong cesspool. The requirement that cesspools be pumped and filled came from the old time cesspools made of wood block that would rot out and fall in. The Council may want to consider that as an amendment to the ordinance. Dick Potz - I just want you to take the engineer's reconmendation to have the ordinance amended. Ken Earhart - I would like to know why the drain line that was in the old road was taken corrpletely out. The one across the street from me was not replaced. Bill Brezinsky - All drain tiles were replaced with the exception of that one which we felt was not necessary anyrrore. We did consult with Henry Wrase who is thoroughly familiar with the drainage problems in Greenwood Shores and he felt that it could be eliminated. Ken Earhart - I will go along with this. I have lived there eight years and have had no water in the basement. Will the city guarantee me that I am going to live there eight rrore years plus and no water in the basement? Russell larson - It would have to be evidenced that the rerroval of the drain tile caused flooding. I could not advise this Council at this time, based on the evidence that was presented by you tonight, to I guarantee to you that you will not have any problems. This is as far as I can go tonight. I have to know rrore about the facts and the circumstances surrounding any flooding that might actually occur. Ken Earhart - When are they going to fix up the edge of our driveways? Bill Brezinsky - The specified completion date is l'bvember 15 and it will be done by then. Ken Earhart - 'Ib fix up driveways will they use a fine mix or a coarse mix? Bill Brezinsky - Fine. Bill Engebretson - What do you anticipate the date of this assessment? Mayor Klingelhutz - We set a date of October 6 for a meeting to pass a resolution to approve these assessments. If we pass that resolution on October 6 you would have 30 days to pay this assessment without any interest. Bill Engebretson - What is the SAC charge? Mayor Klingelhutz - Your SAC charge is a metro SAC charge which every home that hooks onto the sewer has to payor any home that is builtin the City of Chanhassen even if no sewer is available has to pay a $350 SAC charge. Russell Larson - On January 1, 1977, the M3tropoli tan Sewer Board SAC charge will go up $25.00 so if they want to avoid the extra cost they should make application before that date. I Carol Watson - What can we leave hooked up to our own well? I don't want everything on city water. Mayor Klingelhutz - Outside faucets. Russell Larson - 'Ihere can be no connection between the city system and your private system. You cannot tie the two together. I I I Greenwood Shores Assessrrent Hearing september 28, 1976 -3- Carol Watson - Could you have one inside faucet on the well? Mayor KlingeThutz - You would have to run a special line. Jerry Schlenk - I don't think you could because then you w::mld be running other water down the sewer that we \\Duldn I t be metering. Harry Benson - Is it possible to wait one full year with both sewer and water? Mayor KlingeThutz - One year after you get the notice that you can hook up. Once the year is up the city has the right even if you aren't hooked up to send you a utility bill. A rrotion was made by Councilman Wari tz and seconded by Councilman Hobbs to close the hearing. The following voted in favor: Mayor KlingeThutz, Council.rren Hobbs, Neveaux, and Waritz. l'b negative votes. Hearing closed at 8:25 p.m. Don Ashworth Clerk-Administrator - I I I ASSESSMENT HEARING FRONTIER DEVELOPMENT PARK STORM SEWER AND STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT 74-lA SEPTEMBER 28, 1976, AT 9:00 P.M. Mayor Klingelhutz called the hearing to order with the following members present: Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Waritz. Councilman Kurvers was absent. The following persons were present: Ed Dahlby, Field Engineer, Milwaukee Railroad, 221 3rd Ave. So., Mpls. Leslie Renner, 4430 Manitou Road, Tonka Bay C. M. Towle, Strong-Towle, 320 Midland Bank Building, Mpls. Bill Schoell Frank Laska Russell Larson A motion was made by Councilman Waritz and seconded by Councilman to waive the reading of the official notice. The following voted favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Waritz. negative votes. Motion carried. Hobbs in No Bill Schoell explained the project and assessment criteria. The project includes curb and gutter, street, and storm sewer improvements. The total cost of the project is $l84,870.7~ Because part of the drainage serves part of the highway right-of-way, the highway department has contributed about $17,605.toward the cost of this drainage. This amount reduses the cost to be as~essed to$l6],265.75. The cost of the street improvements are assessed against the Frontier Development Park properties. The cost of the drainage was determined to benefit all the area that it drains. In addition to general benefit on the drainage portion of the project it was determined that 5.4 acres of the Martin Ward property and .15 acres in Lot 5, Block 1, part of Lot 7, Block 1, part of Lot 9, Block 1, and part of Lot 3, Block 2 in Frontier Development Park were specially benefitted in that this project prevents them from being flooded. To determine those areas the engineer depended on the recollection of people in. the area, on measurements made by the engineer, and on the outline of the ponding that occurred over the last several heavy rain storms. The areas that ponded were given a rate of two and the benefit was doubled for those areas. The hearing was opened for questions and comments from the floor. Les Renner - Why did they go under the highway with such a large diameter pipe? Bill Schoell - We did not go under Highway 5. There were two existing 24" and we intended to use those. In order to get the highway department participation we had to increase the pipe size 42" all the way from south of Highway 5 to east of Highway 101. In addition the highway department also required that we widen out the ditches on both sides of the right-of-way to provide more storage. Chuck Towle - They paid their pro-rata share of the increased cost. Bill Schoell - They paid $16,500 and it cost $9,800 to increase the pipe size and do the other extra things that they required. The net saving by using the highway participation was about $7,000. Ed Dahlby - This Frontier Park, when that gets developed in its entirety how would you describe the general surface? Would it be mostly blacktop and buildings and roads and things of that nature? Frontier Development Park Assessment Hearing September 28, 1976 -2- Bill Schoell - I can't tell how it might be developed. We did provide for the average amount of hard surface say 85% or 90% runoff from that area because it1s zoned industrial. The city ordinance also requires a certain amount of I green space in an industrial park. Those areas go to reduce the total amount of runoff. Russell Larson - I think it is 30% but I may stand corrected. Ed Dahlby - In other words you can probably have somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% to 100% runoff in this development once it's fully developed. Bill Schoell - I would rather not talk in generalities. The subject of this hearing is the distribution of runoff. Ed Dahlby - We do not plan on blacktopping our railroad right-of-way it will probably be green. Mayor Klingelhutz read letters from the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. and Pacific Railroad dated September 24, 1976, and Franklin and Kurvers dated September 28, 1976, objecting to the assessments. letter was read from Martin Ward stating he has questions on the assessments and that he couldn't be present at this hearing. Paul Myrna A Chuck Towle - How is this going to be assessed? Russell Larson - This was funded out of the 71 bond issue which at the time of the initial hearings had 15 years left on it. It's now down to eleven years. This will have to be payable over a period of ten years. Chuck Towle - Is it possible to make a request or whatever that there are other bond issues that this could be extended over I a 20 year period. These are extremely heavy assessments that I am sure you are aware. They amount to on my property an average of l5~¢ a foot which is quite high. Future development would cause a hardship if this has to be paid over ten years. Mayor Klingelhutz - I believe the longest we have ever extended anything was over a 15 year period. Russell Larson - I don It think the Council is prepared to respond to your request at this time because we are running on a tight time frame here. We would have to study this and take it up next year probably. They would have to talk to the fiscal agent. There is a lot to be done before we can even weigh your request. Chuck Towle - Frontier Dodge found out about this last week and they haven't come down out of orbit yet. I would like to have this examined to see if it is feasible. Les Renner - I would like to go on record in support of that request. Ed Dahlby - I would like the Council to consider our" position and the facts that; the line had to be enlarged due to highway department requests and that increased the cost of the project and also the fact that our property cannot be developed in any way. We need that property for the sole purpose of operating purposes and that our drainage is I very minimal due to the fact that there is vegetation in that area and that the people that are actually benefitted by this project are the people in the Frontier Park. We feel that our assessment should be, if not reduced 100% at least reduced some factor. I I I Frontier Development Park Assessment Hearing Sept. 28, 1976 -3- Chuck Towle - Could we go back to the highway department for increased participation due to their demands. Frank Laska - I doubt that it would do any good. Mayor Klingelhutz - I suppose we could request the engineer to give it one more try. A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Waritz to close the hearing. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Waritz. No negative votes. Hearing closed at 9:45 p.m. Don Ashworth Clerk-Administrator