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CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
NORTH AREA SEWER AND WATER PROJECT 71-1
OCTOBER 20, 1975, AT 7:35 P.M.
Acting Mayor Kurvers called the continuation of the public hearing
to order with the following members present: Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. Mayor Klingelhutz and Councilman Shulstad were absent.
The following interested persons were present:
Randolph Herman, 6560 Ches Mar Drive, Excelsior
Edith Herman, Carver
Mr. and Mrs. Willard Johnson, 1660 West 63rd Street, Excelsior
Craig Mertz stated the City Attorney has talked with the County
Auditor and the Auditor has agreed to accept from the City an
assessment roll that states that the assessment roll is to be deferred
until the property is sold. The Assistant City Attorney has prepared
a proposed assessment roll which sets forth the amount of the assessments
and provides that payment would be deferred until development occurs.
Edith Herman - I object to the lien very strongly.
Randolph Herman - You are charging interest from right now. You
haven't lifted a finger. You haven't spent dime
one on the property in the way of sewers. You are
charging for the full yet you haven't spent anything.
Russell Larson - You have been charged interest all along from 1973.
From the time that the north area project was completed
and the assessment roll was adopted the trunk units
bear interest at the rate of 7%. These are for
trunk sewer and water units. You have thé benefit
of the trunk system.
Bill Schoell - The trunk system in that area is sufficient to take
development of your whole area.
Randolph Herman - You are charging us for stuff that you have thought
about putting in there but you aren't going to put
in. You are making a bundle off of labor and
material that you aren't going to put in there.
Craig Mertz - We had to build lift stations and water tower all with
a greater capacity than is necessary for existing
development. The City is allocating a part of the cost
of that water tower and lift stations to your property
because it was built for bigger capacity. Even if you
spli t one acre off:'your parcel and sold it to a party
who wanted to build a single family house and that party
came to the City Hall for a building permit they would
be asked to pay for part of that trunk cost. A small
house we would ask to pay one trunk water unit and one
trunk sewer unit or a total of $700. When the financing
scheme was set up for the north area project we assumed
that we were going to-get 211 houses out of your property
and the Naegele property.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman
Neveaux to close the public hearing. The following voted in favor:
Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and Neveaux. No negative votes.
Hearing adjourned at 8:0~ p.m.,
Jerry Schlenk
Acting Clerk-Administrator
REGULAR CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING OCTOBER 20, 1975
Acting Mayor Kurvers called the meeting to order at 8:00 p.m. with the
following members present: Councilmen Hobbs and Neveaux. Mayor
Klingelhutz came late. Councilman Shulstad was absent. The meeting
was opened with the Pledge to the Flag.
MINUTES: A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman
Neveaux to approve the minutes of the Continuation of the Public Hearing
on the Re-Assessment of Great Plains Blvd. of September 29, 1975. The
following voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. No negative votes. Motion carried.
Change #101-412, Fire Department Category #100, 1976 PROPOSED BUDGET on
page 2 of the September 29, 1975, special Council minutes to read: Category
#100 reduce to $9,400.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux' and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
to approve the September 29, 1975, Special Council Minutes as amended.
The following voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux
to approve the minutes of the Continuation of the Public Hearing on the
Sanitary Sewer Improvement Project 75-7 of Octòber 6, 1975. The following
voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and Neveaux. No
negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux
to approve the Regular Council Minutes of October 6, 1975. The following
voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and Neveaux.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
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A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux
to note the Frontier Dodge Public Hearing Minutes of September 24, 1975.
The following voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaùx and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
to note the Regular Planning Commission Minutes of September 24, 1975.
The following voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
to note the Bicentennial Commission Minutes of September 25, 1975. The
following voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux
to note the Park and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 7, 1975.
The following voted in favor: Acting Mayor Kurvers, Councilmen Hobbs
and Neveaux. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Kurvers
to approve the Special Council Minutes of October 4, 1975. The following
voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs and Kurvers.
Councilman Neveaux abstained. Motion carried.
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BILLS: The Council questioned what period of time the supplies
would last for the new copy machine. The City Treasurer will find the
contract on the accounting machine for the City Attorney to check.
The Acting Administrator was instructed to contact Mrs. Harry Funk
and/or Ken's 76 Service to find out if a check has been received from
the insurance company.
The Acting Administrator will contact Mr. Len Swedlund and express
the Council's concern about extending further city services until
past due bills in regard to the Minnewashta Woods project are brought
current.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman
Hobbs to approve the bills as submitted. The following voted in favor:
Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative
votes. Motion carried.
The City has received a bill from Motorola for four new radios. A
motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
that the bill in the amount of $2,082.52 be approved according to
the memorandum dated October 20, 1975. The following voted in favor:
Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative
votes. Motion carried.
ACTING ADMINISTRATOR: A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and
seconded by Councilman Neveaux that while Jerry Schlenk is Acting
Administrator that he be compensated the same amount that he was
compensated January through April 1975. The Acting Administrator
stated he would rather make a proposal to the Council. Councilman
Neveaux withdrew his second and Councilman Hobbs withdrew the motion.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman
Neveaux that at the next meeting this be put on the agénda with a
proposal from Jerry Schlenk. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. 'No'negative
votes. Motion carried.
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RESOLUTION #75-36: Councilman Neveaux moved the adoption of the
resolution as presented this evening and instruct the Acting Administrator
to assign a number to it as per procedures~ Councilman Kurvers seconded
the resolution. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz,
Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion
carried.
GREAT PLAINS BLVD. CUL-DE-SAC EASEMENT: An easement will be acquired
from Harry Pauly 15 x 20 feet where the cul-de-sac encroaches on his
property. The City Attorney has discussed this with Mr. Pauly.
The Council will have to decide what to döwith the "park" area on the
east side of Great Plains Blvd. Mr. Pauly would like the City to take
action either to take it over and maintain it or by vacating it so
that he would acquire a part of it.
There used to be a road through to Frontier Trail. 1'his road has been
abandoned. In 1962 äta meeting of. the Town Board the Board had an
abortive undertaking to vacate that but it was never accomplished.
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The City Attorney asked if the Council is going to complete the vacation
of that street he would like authorization to talk with the City
Engineer so they can prepare a description as to where that vacation
might end. The City should try to delineate how much of the "park" area
should be abandoned by the City.
Gene Coulter asked the Council that while they are considering the
street vacation and the "park" area to consider taking over a portion
of a private street so that he can obtain a clear title to his property.
The City Attorney stated that when this matter first came up, the matter
of putting in the turn around, the City had the question of either coming
down and rebuilding the turn around and paving down to the private
driveway easement. For many years the Coulters, Williams, and Bongards
have been driving over the corner. All the City did was finish off some
blacktop between two trees. To have blacktopped the entire area to the
easement and put a driveway in there would have required the removal of
at least two large trees. All the City did was resurface the end of an
existing driveway that has been used for years. He stated this is a
private driveway and not a City matter.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
to authorize the City Engineer to do the survey as suggested not to
exceed $100.00. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz,
Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion carried.
PROJECT 75-7: Don Schmieg was present. The City Engineer stated they
considered only replacing the street to the same condition it is since
the project will only involve part of the street.
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Don Schmieg - Is there going to be another road assessment on my property? II
If the sewer is going in you are going to have to tear up
the road, doesn't it make sense to put the road where it
belongs, the way it belongs when you tear it up once?
I think the first assessment is too much money I am sure
not going to want to pay another one. Will the street stay
at about the same elevations it is now or will it be lowered?
I am wondering if there will be drainage off my property or
will there still have to be a culvert on the end to drain onto
the Sorenson property. If they fill the property the culvert
won't work. Right now there is a culvert on the very end and
it doesn't do a real good job but if they fill the lot in
order to build on it it won't work at all. He is already
filling the lot. I will have no drainage at all unless the
road is dropped to where the water will run down the road.
Bill Brezinsky - We do plan on lowering the road but I had no knowledge of
Mr. Sorenson filling his property.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
to table action until the next Regular Council Meeting pending a report
from the City Engineer on drainage in Erie Avenue. The following voted
in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
PROJECT NEWGATE: Ron Seversen stated they had the State Board of Health
check out the septic system at the former Assumption Seminary. This
program provides residential treatment and education to various
populations. It is either out of a training school or directly out of the
court system. Presently they have four programs in operation in
Minneapolis and St. Paul. One for juvenile boys, two for adult males,
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and one for adult females with minor children. All programs provide
live in facilities with structure mostly supervision and guidance.
They use the public educational agencies such as the University of
Minnesota, vocational schools and sometimes public school systems to
provide these people with the opportunity to get on the job training.
They need a more rural residential treatment program because the
program can be used by any county in the state for placing children
they are unable to handle. They are coœerned about sending outstate
children to Minneapolis. There are only two faèilities on the grounds
that they feel will be useful. Theone residence that is presently
available will be used and the second one needs extensive remodeling.
They do not plan to use the large brick building as a live in facility.
If remodeled it would be used as an educational center. Project
Newgate started with the University of Minnesota in 1969.
The City Planner reviewed his menorandum of October 15, 1975. The
Planning Commission was approached with a proposal to initiate an
amendment to the Zoning Ordinance to include medical and social service
institutional uses as a conditional use within the R-IA use district.
The Planning Commission declined to author such an amendment. The
question before the Council at this time is; is the Council willing to
initiate an amendment permitting medical and social service institutionâl
land uses within the R-lA use district. Some of the following issues
should be considered:
1. If an amendment was to be enacted into ordinance, the provisions
of the use district would'apply equally to all property zoned R-lA.
2. The spirit and intent of Chanhassen City Ordinances and Resolutions
is to channel "urban-type" of uses into those areas presently
serviced by sanitary sewer and water.
3. Assumption Seminary, owned by the Knights of Columbus,' is presently
a legal non-confbrminguse, however, the original use was
discontinued and any new use must conform to provisions of the
. R-IA use district.
4. The existing buildings, for the most part, exìstd.ni"varyirig states
of disrepair.
5.Medical and social service institutional land uses are presently
permitted within the P-3 use district.
There are three alternatives available to the City Council at this time.
1. The Council on its own motion initiate an amendment to include
within the R-IA use district Medical and Social Service
Institutional uses.
2. Go along with what the Planning Commission said in June that these
types of uses belong in our urban service area.
3. Suggest the petitioner proceed under the provisions of the P-3
use district.
The Planner recommended that he agreed with the general recommendation
of the Planning Commission, however, the uses as suggested by Project
Newgate may work on'the K.C. property. Continuing along this line of
thinking he does not feel that all R-lA property should be opened up
to urban types of land uses irregardless of what Project Newgate has
in mind. The most expedient way to see if the project can stand on its
own merits is to proceed under the plan provisions as outlined in the
P-3 use district. '
The Council feels they could proceed unær a P-3 use district.
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AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE #34: A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs
and seconded by Councilman Kurvers to adopt the amendment to
Ordinance 34C adding Section 10.02, Consumption After Hours. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs,'
Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion carried.
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AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE #2: A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux
and seconded by Councilman Hobbs to adopt the amendment to Ordinance
2C, adding section 18, Consumption After Hours. The following voted
in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
YOUTH PROGRAM: Joe Betz was present to discuss a youth program in
Chanhassen. There are no major problems concerning youth and young
adults in Chanhassen community at this time. However, there is a
lack of constructive programs involving youth beyond the sport related
activities sponsored by CAA and the school activities provided.
Though these activities of themselves are very significant and certainly
worthwhile. Primarily there exists an opportunity for the adult
community to develop an efficient and effective interface with the
youth and young adults it may go a long way to managing future
situations before they do arise. Other communities such as Coon Rapids
and Minnetonka have established youth councils to provide positive
relationship between the established community and the young adults in
that community. He asked the Council to appoint a task force study
group to evaluate and recommend a comprehensive and appropriate
approach to the proposal. He is willing to direct a task force if the
City will seriously consider the outcome of such a study.
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Kurvers to appoint Joe Betz and he choose two people to help him on the
taskforce either from the Park and Recreation Commission, Councilor
some city oriented persons. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes.
Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman
Councilman Hobbs asked Mr. Betz to look at the Human Rights Ordinance
and try to come up with suggestions for the Human Rights Commission.
WEST 79th STREET: The City Engineer at the request of the City Planner
has studied to determine the best location for the road. The City has
a 30 foot easement that runs along the southerly 30 feet of the
railroad right-of-way. This easement provided access to the Kurvers
and Hanus properties. The Engineer recommended basic standards for
the street, if constructed, be a 50 foot right-of-way and 26 foot
minimum blacktop width street with no parking allowed. The street
be constructed to nine ton standards. For safety purposes the street
should be located as far south of the old railroad without coming
into conflict with the Highway 5 right-of-way. The road must
provide access to the Kurvers and Hanus properties. The road should
be extended in order for future extension across the Apple Valley
property and connect with West 78th Street. The road should be
located so that it makes the best possible use of the property.
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The city Planner stated that Mr. Hanus cannot negotiate with the
railroad until the City is totally satisfied as to the alignment of
the road and what the road should look like. He suggested in a
memorandum of October 15, 1975, that they seek the advice of the
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City Attorney as to the procedure that should be followed in arriving
at a satisfactory alignment for the road. It appears that the most
effective medium in order to get a free flow of inforatmion on where
this road should be, public imput from Klingelhutz, Kurvers, Hanus,
Apple Valley should be gathered to be held at the Planning Commission
level. The Planning Commission would come to the Council with a
recommendation. The Council either going along with the Planning
Commission's recommendation possibly giving it approval and then
hav:IiJI~g Hanus proceed with the design of his PUD.
The City Attorney stated he sees no objection to the Council at this
time, including Mr. Kurvers and Mr. Klingelhutz, taking action to send
it down to the Planning Commission for study.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman
Hobbs to refer this matter to the Planrrlng Commission. The following
voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilme n Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
The City Attorney will inspect the railroad property for debris and
report at the next Council meeting.
HANUS BUILDING - WEST 78TH STREET: The City Attorney gave a report on
Mr. Hanus' compliance with the conditional use permit.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman Neveaux
that the outside storage be removed no later than 6:00 p.m. November
17, 1975, including the outside storage by the tenants. The parking
lot striping be deferred until spring. The fence be fixed forthwith.
If these conditions are not met by November 17, 1975, this will be turned
back to the City Attorney to investigate what possible legal action
he would recommend taking including a court order compelling the
compliance with terms of the conditional use permit. The following
voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers.
No negative votes. Motion carried.
The Acting Administrator will send a copy of this portion of the meeting
to Mr. Hanus.
VARIANCE REQUEST - JIM SULERUD: The property is Lot 2, Block 1, Bluff
Creek Highlands. Mr. Sulerud stated he had purchased the lot knowing
there would be difficulty and that it would take special building
considerations. He requested that the Council grant a variance subject
to the City Engineer's acdeptánce of his bùilding plans and £urther
comments from Braun Engineering on soil stability and suitability of
the building plans to the lot. Mr. Sulerud is requesting a 20 foot front
yard variance.
The Board of Adjustments and Appeals met on the site on October 9, 1975,
and recommended denial of the variance but in the event he gets
Soils Engineering's Certification, the City Engineer would have to
approve a drainage and soil erosion plan. The City Attorney draft a
no liability clause if the house should slide down the hill.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman
to grant a variance subject to the City Engineer's acceptance of
building plans and further comments from Braun Engineering. The
would have no liability in case the house slides down the hill.
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following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz , Councilmen Hobbs and
Neveaux. Councilman Kurvers voted no. Motion carried.
APPLE VALLEY RED-E-MIX: John Ericson was present. The City Planner
setforth a complete history on the plant in a memorandum dated
October 14, 1975. The Planning Commission on September 24, 1975,
agreed with the landscape plan as prepared by Seifert's and recommended
that the plantings be placed on the property within one planting season
after the construction of Highway 5. The Planner feels that the
Council should require Apple Valley to enclose the new silo so as to
harmonously relate to the principal structure and the other enclosed
silo. :tf they are unwilling to do this then the new fly ash silo
should be removed.
Mr. Ericson stated the building is being sanmlasted now and will be
painted within two weeks. He feels the fly ash silo is part of the
equipment of a ready mix plant. He stated they are not adverse to
putting some blacktop down but at this point there are a few other
things that should be settled. Where is the road finally going to
be located?
Councilman Neveaux stated he would like to see the silos screened with
some kind of fencing material to blend in with the building.
Mr. Ericson asked the Council to let tœm paint the building and then
inspect the site to see how it looks and then decide if the silos
should be enclosed.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs an d seconded by Councilman
Neveaux to table action until November 17, 1975. The Council will
inspect the site prior to the meeting. The following voted in favor:
Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs and Neveaux. Councilman Kurvers
voted no. Motion carried.
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The Apple Valley Red-E-Mix Plant is a legal non-conforming use. A
conditional use permit was never issued because it was constructed during
the time of the old Village.
SANITARY RESTROOM FACILITIES - LEACH'S RESORT: Roy Leach was present.
Leach's Resort is located at 7001 Minnewashta Parkway.
A motion was made by Councilman Hobbs and seconded by Councilman
Neveaux to authorize Mr. Leach to proceed with plans and specifications
to be reviewed by the Building Inspector for consideration in the
issuance of a permit. The following voted in favor: Mayor
Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes.
Motion carried.
PROPOSED EXCAVATION ORDINANCE: The City Attorney has completed the
recommended changes in the proposed ordinance in Sections 4.01 and
5.01.
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Councilman Neveaux moved the adoption of an Ordinance Prohibiting the
Excavation and Grading of the Earth and the Opening of Pits without
First Obtaining a Permit therefor, Providing for the Issuance of Permits,
and Providing Penalties for the Violation of this Ordinance. Motion
seconded by Councilman Hobbs. The foIl (Win g voted in favor: Mayor
Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes.
Mot;Lon carr;Led.
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(AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR BIDS - CARVE R BEACH SEWER, WATER, AND
BLACKTOP STREETS AND FRONTIER TRAIL FORCE MAIN:
RESOLUTION #75-37: Councilman Hobbs moved the adoption of a resolution
authorizing the City Engineers to advertise for bids for Carver Beach
Sanitary Sewer, Water, and Street Improvement Project and Frontier
Trail Force Main Project. Resolution seconded by Councilman Neveaux.
The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs,
Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion carried.
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ASSOCIATION OF METROPOLITAN MUNICIPALITIES: The City received an
invitation to the Metropolitan Area Munfuipal Officials' Meeting
October 30 at the Thunderbird Motel.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman
Hobbs that the Treasurer be authorized to write a check to accommodate
the City Planner, City Attorney, Chairman of the Planning Commission,
and any member of the Council that wishes to attend. The following
voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz, Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and
Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and seconded by Councilman Hobbs
to table items 17 and 18 to the next regular Council meeting. The
following voted in favor: Mayor Klin~lliutz, Councilman Hobbs, Neveaux
and Kurvers. No negative votes. Motion carried.
A motion was made by Councilman Neveaux and semnded by Councilman
Hobbs to adjourn. The following voted in favor: Mayor Klingelhutz,
Councilmen Hobbs, Neveaux, and Kurvers. No negative votes. Meeting
adjourned at 12:45 a.m.
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Jerry Schlenk
Acting Administrator