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1j. Site Plan for Bank & Office Bldg, Crossroads National Bank II C I T Y P.C. DATE: Oct. 4 -----e- 1989 OF , � _ C.C. DATE: Oct. 2 CHANHASSEN 3 , 1989 t , , Y CASE NO 89-6 Site Plan IPrepared by: Olsen/v STAFF REPORT I I PROPOSAL: Site Plan Review for 14 , 000 Sq. Ft . Bank and Office Building - Crossroads National Bank IZ LOCATION: Northeast Corner of Market Boulevard and West 79th Q Street - Parts of Lots 5-7 , Block 1 , Frontier V Development Park APPLICANT: TCNB Incorporated Tom Mork Cl. 10201 Wayzata Blvd. Jim Ruckle IMinnetonka, MN 55343 Shea Architects Q Butler Square, Suite 300k 100 North 6th Street Minneapolis , MN 55403 1 1 PRESENT ZONING: BH, Highway Business District and IBG, General Business District ACREAGE: 2 . 4 acres IDENSITY: ADJACENT ZONING IAND LAND USE: N- BH; railroad tracks & Chan Bowl S- BH; vacant • E- BH; vacant a 1 LI-1 W- BG; vacant - ponding area WATER AND SEWER: Available to the site. IPHYSICAL CHARAC. : The site is fairly level unimproved property. 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I Section 20-715 and 20-755 requires in the BH District a minimum lot area of 20,000 square feet, lot frontage of 100 feet, lot depth of 150 feet and a maximum lot coverage 65% (70% in BG District) . The setbacks for the BH District are 25 feet front, 20 feet for I rear yard and 10 feet for the side yard setbacks. The setback for BG District is 25 feet front and rear and 10 feet on the side yards. The maximum height for a structure is two stories for the , principle structure and one story for the accessory structure in BH and 3 stories ( 40 ' ) in BG District. There is no minimum setback for off-street parking areas when it II abuts a railroad right-of-way except as provided in Sections 20-1191 and 20-1192 pertaining to landscaping requirements . Section 20-1191 requires a 10 foot strip of land between abutting I right-of-way and vehicular use areas including one tree per 40 feet and a hedge wall or berm of at least two feet. II Section 20-1192 requires interior property lines to be landscaped with one tree per 40 feet. Section 20-1211 requires interior landscaping for vehicular use I areas. Section 20-1125 requires for office three parking spaces for each 1 1,000 square feet of gross floor area and one parking space every 250 square feet of floor space for a financial institute. REFERRAL AGENCIES I Building Inspector Attachment #1 Fire Inspector Attachment #2 City Engineer Attachment #3 I ANALYSIS The applicant is proposing to develop a bank and office building I with a total square footage of 14,000 square feet ( including a future 4,000 sq. ft. addition) . The building is located at the northeast corner of Market Boulevard and West 79th Street. The II proposed site is part of Lots 5-7, Block 1, Frontier Development 1 II II ' II Crossroads National Bank October 4, 1989 Page 3 I Park which is owned by the Chanhassen Housing and Redevelopment Authority. The applicant is currently negotiating with the HRA to purchase the property. As part of the agreement, the City is I platting the subject property and adjacent property also under the ownership of the HRA. A condition of site plan approval will be for the preliminary and final plat to be approved and recorded I with Carver County. The site is in both the BG and BH District. This is due to the fact that the old district boundaries do not conform to the pre- I sent Market Boulevard alignment. The site plan meets conditions of either district but a rezoning of the property should occur during the plat procedure to provide consistency. The City will Iinitiate the request. Site Plan ICirculation The bank is oriented towards West 79th Street with a drive-thru I area located adjacent to Market Boulevard. The design of the site plan allows easy flow for the drive-thru tellers and allows separate access for parking and entering the bank and office II areas. Market Boulevard, once connected to Hwy. 5, will become a major roadway entering downtown Chanhassen. The Market Boulevard curb I cut will be an entrance only. A left turn lane will be provided into the site from southbound Market Boulevard. Due to the high traffic levels that are expected, staff is recommending that a I right turn deceleration lane should be provided to accommodate traffic entering the site from Market Boulevard. In addition, a bituminous sidewalk is located on the east side of Market Boulevard from West 78th Street to "Bowling Alley Lane" and con- tinues tinues east on "Bowling Alley Lane" . Staff is recommending that a 6 ' concrete sidewalk be located south from "Bowling Alley Lane" to West 79th Street on the east side of Market Boulevard. ITo accommodate the right turn lane on Market Boulevard and the 6 foot concrete side sidewalk, the 44 ' right-of-way will have to be I expanded. At the most, an additional 20 feet of right-of-way would be required. Staff is recommending that the applicant work with staff to design the deceleration lane and sidewalk to deter- mine the exact amount of additional right-of-way which is ' required. Once the amount of additional right-of-way is deter- mined, the site plan will have to be revised to reflect the new westerly lot line (to maintain proper setbacks) . This revision I can be easily accommodated by shifting the entire site plan to the east. I The most easterly curb cut on West 79th Street is approximately 75 feet from the West 79th Street-Market Boulevard intersection. II I Crossroads National Bank October 4, 1989 ' Page 4 Staff would prefer the exit be further separated from the inter- section (100' - 150 ' ) . Shifting the site plan to the east to accommodate the additional right-of-way on Market Boulevard will provide additional separation between the exit and the intersec- tion (approximately 100 ' ) . The east access on West 79th Street is located on the east lot line and the adjacent lot. In the future the easterly access on West 79th Street will also act as an access to the adjacent lot when it is developed. Since the access is crossing property lines, cross easements must be provided. Parking, Landscaping and Elevation Using the calculation for parking for financial institutions at , one parking space per 250 square feet of building area, a total of 56 parking spaces would be required. The applicant is pro- ' viding 67 parking spaces which includes 2 handicapped parking spaces . The 67 spaces exceeds the requirements for financial institutions and offices . The area for cars using the drive-thru provides adequate stacking distance. Page L-1 of the plans provides proposed landscaping for the site. The applicant is providing the required landscaping except for hedges required on the berm located between the south parking area and West 769th Street. The landscaping plan shall be revised to provide the necessary landscaping on the berm between the parking area and West 79th Street. Staff is not requiring internal landscaping along the most easterly lot line since the parking area and access will be expanded into the adjoining lot. The building is one story with a tower at the southwest corner. ' The building is brick with bronze metal roof with HVAC enclosed internally. There are 6 covered drive-thru tellers connecting the building with a tower made of similar materials which features a time and date sign. Signage The applicant is proposing one pylon sign, several directional signs and a time and temperature sign above the drive-thru. The pylon sign is located at the entrance from Market Boulevard and is 45 square feet in size. The BH and BG District permits one pylon sign/lot not to exceed 64 square feet and the height of the pylon sign is limited to 20 feet. A detail on the pylon sign providing the height of the sign shall be provided prior to City Council approval. The time and temperature sign is located on the north and west side of the tower and is 42 square feet ( 3 ' x 14 ' ) . Sign permits are required for the pylon and directional signs. The time and temperature sign are permitted without a permit. ' Any additional signage will require a permit. 1 Crossroads National Bank II October 4, 1989 Page 5 IGrading, Drainage & Utilities Please refer to the Senior Engineering Technician' s memorandum. ITemporary Facility I Page 1B of the site plan illustrates a modular banking facility and a phasing plan for the construction of a permanent facility. The applicant is proposing to utilize the temporary facility in order to open up the bank prior to the permanent building being I completed. The temporary building is a 24 ' x 74 ' modular constructed building. The temporary building is a fully self contained building with all necessary eqiupment including two I drive up lanes . Crossroads National Bank will be prepared to open their bank for business in the near future and the permanent building will not be completed until the end of 1990 or early 1991. IThe temporary bank facility will be located within the easterly parking lot. All of the parking areas used for the temporary I banking facility will be paved with the curb and gutter and landscaped as proposed on the overall site plan. The building will have footings, will be hooked up to sewer and water and will II be handicapped accessible. The temporary facility will utilize the easterly full access on West 79th Street. A condition of site plan approval will be that the temporary facility will have to be removed within one week of the permanent facility receiving Ia certificate of occupancy. RECOMMENDATION IPlanning staff recommends the Planning Commission adopt the following motion: I "The Planning Commission recommends approval of Site Plan Review #89-6 for Crossroads National Bank as shown on the plan dated September 22, 1989 and subject to the following conditions : I1. The property shall be platted and recorded with Carver County. 1 2. The City shall process a rezoning of the property as part of the platting procedure. II 3 . The site plan shall be revised to include a right turn dece- leration lane on Market Boulevard and a 6 foot wide concrete sidewalk on the east side of Market Boulevard. The site plan I shall be revised to reflect additional right-of-way necessary for the deceleration lane and sidewalk and to maintain required setbacks. I r II Crossroads National Bank II October 4 , 1989 Page 6 4. The applicant shall provide cross easements for the joint access on West 79th Street. 5. The applicant shall provide revised landscaping plan pro- 1 viding necessary landscaping on the berm between the parking area and West 79th Street. I 6. The applicant shall provide a detail on the pylon sign pro- viding the height of the sign prior to City Council approval. 7. The temporary facility will have to be removed within one I week of the permanent bank facility receiving a certificate of occupancy. I 8. The applicant shall comply with any and all Watershed District requirements. I 9. The city will monitor the site for erosion control problems and if deemed necessary additional erosion control may be required in the future. I 10. Exact storm sewer connections and design shall be verified in the field and approved by the City' s Engineering Department I prior to construction. 11. The exit on West 79th Street shall be moved a minimum of 100 feet from the West 79th Street/Market Boulevard intersection. I 12. The applicant shall illustrate how the easterly parking lot will be modified in the future when the adjacent parcel is I developed. " PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION II The Planning Commission recommended approval of the site plan with staff' s conditions with the following changes : 6. The temporary facility will have to be removed within one I week of the permanent bank facility receiving a certificate of occupancy, notwithstanding the foregoing, such temporary facility shall be removed within 9 months of the issuance of the building permit for the permanent bank facility. 11. Future addition designated on the plans are not part of the II site plan approval. In addition, the Planning Commission wanted staff to provide the City Council with the details for the lighting of the site. The II applicant has provided the details showing the type of light fix- tures used on the site and where they are located. II II Crossroads National Bank October 4 , 1989 Page 7 ' STAFF UPDATE The applicant has provided a revised site plan which provides the additional right-of-way required for the right turn lane on Market Boulevard and sidewalk. The site plan shifts the entire project to the east and provides a connection between the drive- thru and bank parking area. The amended plan was submitted on ' October 18, 1989, and staff has not had time to completely review the site plan. Staff is providing the Council with a copy of the amended site plan for their review. Staff will be performing a complete review of the site plan and believes the changes are minimal and the site plan still meets the requirements of the zoning ordinance. Unless directed otherwise, staff will admi- nistratively approve the amended site plan. ' CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION #89-6 for Crossroads National Bank as shown on the plan dated September 22, 1989 and subject to the following conditions : 1. The property shall be platted and recorded with Carver ' County. 2 . The City shall process a rezoning of the property as part of ' the platting procedure. 3 . The site plan shall be revised to include a right turn dece- leration lane on Market Boulevard and a 6 foot wide concrete ' sidewalk on the east side of Market Boulevard. The site plan shall be revised to reflect additional right-of-way necessary for the deceleration lane and sidewalk and to maintain required setbacks. 4. The applicant shall provide cross easements for the joint access on West 79th Street. 5. The applicant shall provide revised landscaping plan pro- viding necessary landscaping on the berm between the parking ' area and West 79th Street. 6. The temporary facility will have to be removed within one ' week of the permanent bank facility receiving a certificate of occupancy, notwithstanding the foregoing, such temporary facility shall be removed within 9 months of the issuance of the building permit for the permanent bank facility. 7 . The applicant shall comply with any and all Watershed District requirements. 8 . The city will monitor the site for erosion control problems and if deemed necessary additional erosion control may be required in the future. 1 Crossroads National Bank October 4 , 1989 ' Page 8 9 . Exact storm sewer connections and design shall be verified in the field and approved by the City' s Engineering Department prior to construction. 10. The exit on West 79th Street shall be moved a minimum of 100 1 feet from the West 79th Street/Market Boulevard intersection. 11. Future addition designated on the plans are not part of the site plan approval. 12. Lighting to be consistent with Market/West 79th Street 1 lighting. ATTACHMENTS 1 1. Memo from Ron Julkowski dated September 27, 1989. 2 . Memo from Mark Littfin dated September 27, 1989. 3 . Memo from Dave Hempel dated September 27, 1989. 4 . Letter from Crossroads National Bank dated September 12, 1989. 5 . Letter from Crossroads National Bank dated September 11, 1989. 6 . Memo from Jo Ann Olsen dated September 20, 1989. 7 . Planning Commission minutes dated October 4, 1989. 8. Site plan dated September 22, 1989. 9 . Site plan dated October 18, 1989. 1 1 1 1 1 i 1 1 1 CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 ' MEMORANDUM TO: Planning Commission ' FROM: Ron Julkowski, Building Official g DATE: September 27 , 1989 SUBJ: Crossroads National Bank Building and Office ' The Building Department has reviewed the site plan. The tem- porary bank building must meet all handicap requirements per State Building Code and State Plumbing Code. ' The manufactured building must comply with the Uniform Building Code requirements for 80 mile per hour wind load. Plans for this building must be submitted for review signed by an engineer. The building must also meet all plumbing requirements ( sewer and water) per State Plumbing Code. Also, plans must have Minnesota Seal from State Inspection Department. I 7l a?7f', I/ SITE PLAN REVIEW QUESTIONNAIRE Cr r a < 1-1C0- 11 The purpose of these questions is to determine the necessary requirements for the prevention or minimizing of loss of lives and property. I A committee of Jim Chaffee, Scott Harr, Dale Gregory and Mark Littfin will determine the answers based on the site plan submitted by the contractor. The contractor may also be called for further verification. II The results of the questionnaire will then be forwarded to Jo Ann Olsen with the committee recommendations. I Non Questions Comply Compliance I . - 1. Means of access for fire department apparatus shall be provided to all structures in planned building groups in accordance with Section 3-1 and the appli- ✓ II cable provisions of Sections 3-2 through 3-8. 2. Every dead-end roadway more than 300 ft (91 m) in /- shall be provided at the closed end with a /� turnaround acceptable to the fire department. w 3. Turns in roadways shall maintain the minimum road I width and shall be constructed with a minimum radius of 25 ft (7.5 m) at the inside curb line and a radius of 50 ft (15 m) at the outside curb line. — ___ I 4. Roadways shall be not less than 24 ft (7 m) wide pro- vided no parking is allowed, not less than 30 ft (9 m) wide if parallel parking is allowed on one side, and ✓ II not less than 36 ft (10.5mm) wide if parallel parking is allowed on both sides. ------- ------- 5. Parking in any means of access shall not be permitted II within 20 ft (6 m) of a fire hydrant, sprinkler or standpipe connection or in any other manner which will v/ II obstruct or interfere with the fire department's use of the hydrant or connection. _______ _______ 6. "No Parking" signs or other designation indicating that II parking is prohibited shall be provided at all normal and emergency access points to structures and within 20 V"' l h'` °�`� ° ft (6 m) of each fire hydrant, sprinkler, or standpipe 4--/ p r a(of a•-�.3 II connection. 7. Where no recognized water supply distribution system II .exists.,,appropriate access shall be provided for water / °_ supplies4'.in accordance with the provisions of NFPA 1231, " rd Water Supplies for Suburban and Rural Fire Fighting. " ------- ------- II II II Site Plan Review Questionaire II Page 2 I - -_ Non- Questions Comply Canmliance �2 -:. - - - :r: -=Fire lanes shall be at least-20 ft (6 m) in width Z. IIwith the road edge closest to the structure at least _�� ID ft (3 m) from the structure. _ - 1 9. "No Parking - Tow-Away Zone" signs shall be posted in accordance with the instructions of the fire 9\ QzesrlepArtment having jurisdiction and a method of .II enforcing such provisions shall be provided. �R 1. - - -- ,.-,_- -- --- ._= --. _ - . _ 10. Fire lanes connecting to public streets, roadway, ar private streets shall be provided with curb-cuts I extending at least 2 ft_(0.6096 m) beyond each edge of the fire lane. II 11. Chains or other barriers may be provided at the entrance to fire lanes or private streets, provided --44- that they are installed according to the requirements of the fire department having jurisdiction. - -- 12. The designation and maintenance of fire lanes on private property shall be accomplished as specified Iby the fire department having jurisdiction. 13. Parking lot lanes shall have a minimum of 25 ft II t7.5 n) clear width between rows of parked vehicles c,� for vehicular access and.movement. . . - 14. At least three perimeter walls of structures and all II ,, exterior .doors into structures constructed as a part ;cif _a planned building group_ shall, be within 200 ft J 161 m) of an approved fire lane or -street.. _.-� . ° .- ' 15. structures exceeding 30 ft (9 m) in height shall not --- _.__ _ be set back more than 50 ft (15 m) from a street, fire E. sane, .or. private_street: _!: - _... _ - - 1- ,t II AEXceptiomi,--When any combination of private fire protection-facilities, -including -but,_not limited to, ±ire-resistive _roofs, fire.-separation walls; space Iseparation and automatic fire extinguishing systems, e - _ - is provided and approved by the fire marshal as an - acceptable=alternative, 3-4.2 shall not apply.) - II16. All structures exceeding three stories in height and 3,000 sq. ft -(279 sq m) in ground floor area and containing nonrated openings in exterior walls 1 facing other structures shall be separated from other structures by at least 20 ft (6 m) of clear space between structures, and 10 ft (3 m) from a cannon II property line. II • 1 ,bite -Plan_Review Questionaire il Page 3 � s Yon- I ___ Comply Ccmpli.ance £.7. ?AI least-two means re eccess.for-_-fire apparatus'shall I ,:he p yided for each structure exceeding 30 ft 19 m) 1Pr three stories in height, not less than one of which shall be a fire lane, or street. II 18. .,At least 14 ft (4 m):of nrsninal clearance shall w} V-c-.r;e dbe provided over the full--width of streets, fire (1 erianes,-Rands other_m�eansl of_vehic ar<access. �o u; ,,tea, t I J . --,landscaping or other obstructions shall not be iti,.,t -7-placed around-structures_in a manner so as. to I'^^°"' impair or impede-accessibility for fire- fighting- and rescue operations. -J,,, 6.,,- ,- , p .A, .. 20. ,-The location of structures and access to each _structure shall be approved. by the fire marshal_ before permits.-for construction are issued. __- __ _ II - - - 21. All structures more than three stories in height _ . or over 50 ft (15 yin) in. height above grade and :containing intermediate stories or balconies shall I '-be equipped with a-standpipe system in accordance with the provisions of NFPA 14, Standard for the /' Installation of Standpipe and Bose Systems. Fire -) /,... -department standpipe-connections shall be located II -within 50 ft (15 m) ofta-fire hydrant. 22. -Water supply systems not publicly owned and in- II .stalled shall meet the:.-minimum requirements of ,NFPA 24, Standard for -the Installation. of Private Fire Service Mains and Their Appurtenances, or - -_____ ! II_,, �1FPA 1231, Standard on Water Supplies for Suburban- �'/ hand-Rural Fire Fighting, -where no recognized water - supply distribution exists. Y I - 23. Fire-hydrants• shall -be-provided in a ratio of at - _ _least one fire hydrant for -every 90.,000_sq. ft _ : II -(8370 sq m) of ground area or portion thereof -- involved in the development. (Exception: This requirement shall not apply to land planned or left for other than structural development. ) I II II I .. Site Plan Review Questionaire II Page 4 Non- , Questions Comply Compliance 24. The fire flow requirements shall be not less than 17- that established by the fire-department .having - ' jurisdiction. In cases where a water supply system consisting of mains and hydrants does not exist, the provisions of NFPA 1231, Standard on Water Supplies for Suburban and Rural Fire Fighting, shall apply. 25. Water supplies shall be capable of .supplying the _ __ _ ' - _ .-- . flows of 1500_gpm (6750-L/min) _at-20 psi (1.38 bars) or less; or for two hours for-fire flow greater II than 1500 gran (6750 L/min) at 20 psi (1.38 bars). (Ecception: In-those situations where the _ __ provisions of NFPA 1231, Standard on Water j II -= Supplies for Suburban.and Rural Fire Fighting, v are utilized, 3-6.2.2 shall not apply.) 26. The contractor or installer of water supply I systems in planned building groups shall - demonstrate by actual test that the capacity of the water supply system will meet fire _ / I protection design requirements. Fire flow _- _ c' performance tests shall be witnessed by the fire department and other authorities having __ _ Ijurisdiction who desire to do so.. Distances between installed fire hydrants shall not exceed 300 ft (91 m) unless fire department II --- operations or technology would otherwise dictate increased sparing._ For buildings- exceeding 20,000 'sq ft (1860 sq m) in ground floor area, a 1 fire hydrant shall be installed within 300 ft (C91 m) of any portion of the building. .Actual _ location. of- fire hydrants shall be as. required by_- II the fire department prior, to installation. _ 28=4, Fire hydrants aocated in parking areas shall-lie P�n protected by barriers that:.will prevent.;physical �"t Idamage from vehicles. 29. Fire hydrants shall be located within 3 ft I (0.9144 m) of the curb line of fire lanes, streets, f or private streets, when installed along such access ways. II 30. Fire hydrants shall be installed in accordance with the standards of the American water works Association. II II Site Plan Review Questionaire Tacge '5 - II Questions Non- _ Comply Compliance I .431. Threads on fire hydrant outlets shall be American national -Fire Hose Connection Screw Threads and shall be equipped with thread adapters when the i/ II local fire department thread is different. 32. Fire hydrants shall be supplied by not less than a I _6-in. (15-cm) diameter main installed on a looped system, or not less than an 8-in. (20-cm) diameter - / - - - pain if the system is not looped or the fire ✓ "hydrant is-installed on a dead-end main`'exceediiig 300 ft -(911m) in length.- 33. Dead-end mains shall not exceed 600 ft (182.5 II in) in length for main sizes under 10 in. (25 an) in diameter. 34. Fire department vehicular access to all structures ' under construction shall be provided at all times. In areas where ground surfaces are soft or likely 10-,11 V /., ,e 0 r to become soft, hard all-weather surface access r II roads shall be provided. 35. The fire protection water supply system, including II fire hydrants, shall be installed and in service prior to placing combustible building materials for structures, or combustible pretested fabricated ' building assemblies on the project site or utilizing - - - them in the construction of building structures. If phased construction- is planned, coordinated installa- tion of the fire protection water system is permitted. II 36. Trash and debris shall be removed from the construc- 1,,,, -, t 1 tion site as often as necessary to maintain a firesafe �,,ov..�a, II construction site. 37. `iarnable or combustible liquids shall be stored, handled, or used-on the construction site in accor- -- - - - - II dance with the applicable provisions of NFPA 20, ' Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code; NFPA 58, W [ 'tandard-for the Storage and Handling of Liquefied {,� II i Petroleum Gases; and NFPA 395, Standard for the •` A 4.,, Ic ' Storage of Flammable and Combustible Liquids on Farms and Isolated Construction Projects. 1 I II 11 Site Plan Review Questionaire II Page 6 Questions Non- ' Comply Compliance 38. At least one portable fire extinguisher having a _rating of at least 4-A, 30-BC shall be within a II ,travel distance of 75 ft (22.5 m) or less to any point of a structure under construction. Personnel - _ normally on the construction site shall be Li' instructed in the use of the fire extinguishers provided. _ — , ` - - ' &�i�nf r 39. !All plans for- planned building groups..shall be 1 _submitted to the authority having jurisdiction for approval before the issuance of the 'N--/ _ permit. This approval procedure shall include the 1 fire department having jurisdiction. 40. In addition to the requirements of 3-9.1 a small- - -- II _ -scale drawing of the site's surrounding area showing �� ;` streets, access points, water s sources,---and '� supply `� `� other items of f re_suppression interest shall be �,f L� `' submitted to the local fire department before the IIstart of any construction. 41. Drawings showing building floor plans, fire pro- tecticns-sytems, and items of fire suppression i,,, {4 II ,interest shall be submitted to the fire departient E'"e u;,;` having jurisdiction, as requested, upon completion of the project. II Tx _ _ I I I 1 CITY OF I .4,:' e . CHANHASSEN 1 Ilk 411: 10!: lki Arif 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 I MEMORANDUM TO: Paul Krauss, Planning Director I FROM: Dave Hempel, Sr. Engineering Technician /544. DATE: September 27, 1989 i SUBJ: Site Plan Review, Crossroads Plaza I Upon review of the site plan dated April 20, 1989 submitted by I Shea Architects, I offer the following comments and recommendations. Grading and Drainage 1. The plans propose connecting to the City storm sewer system I in West 79th Street and Market Boulevard. Exact storm sewer connections and design shall be verified in the field and approved by the City' s Engineering Department prior to construction. At time of construction, these connections should be inspected by City Staff. 2. The applicant shall comply with any and all watershed requirements. 3 . The plan indicates erosion control, i .e. silt fence, around the perimeter of the site. The City will monitor the site for erosion control problems and, if deemed necessary, addi- tional I erosion control may be required in the future. Sanitary Sewer and Water 1. City water and sanitary sewer service is available from West I 79th Street. Streets I 1. The proposed "out" driveway from the drive-up tellers is too I close to West 79th Street and Market Boulevard intersection. 0 . -It is recommended that this be moved a minimum of 100 ft. back from the intersection and preferably 150 ft. 2. The driveway on the east side of the bank is proposed to be a I shared driveway with the adjacent undeveloped parcel. It 1 1 1 ' Mr. Paul Krauss 1 September 27, 1989 Page 2 I • should be addressed or illustrated as to how the proposed parking lot would be modified in the future when the undeveloped parcel develops. I3. To provide for a smooth traffic flow on northbound Market Boulevard, it is recommended that a 13 ft. wide deceleration I lane ( right turn lane) be added for vehicles turning in for the drive up tellers . I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I 11 1 CROSSROADS NATIONAL BANK (IN ORGANIZATION) September 12, 1989 Ms. Jo Anne Olsen Senior Planner City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Jo Anne: Relative to our phone conversation of Monday, September 11, please find enclosed the following: 1. Ten additional sets of site plan drawings for the Crossroads National Bank building. 2. Side elevation, floor plan, and preliminary construction specifications for the proposed modular building. As we discussed briefly over the phone, Crossroads National Bank is proposing to locate on the eastern portion of the site under consideration a 24' x 70' modular constructed building which will house the bank until its permanent facility is built. The building under consideration is a fully-contained bank building with all necessary equipment, including two drive-up lanes. As currently proposed, it will be newly constructed specifically for our needs. The use of modular banking facilities by banks is neither a new or uncommon concept. In fact, most start-up banks, unless they are moving into an already existing building, spend the first 12-24 months of their existence in a modular facility. In addition, many banks utilize modular buildings for branch facilities on a permanent basis. In our particular instance, we expect that we will be prepared to open the bank for business considerably before a permanent facility could be constructed. Based on the progress to-date in preparing the actual site for construction, it would appear that even under best case conditions, it is somewhat unlikely that we would be able to even break ground for the facility yet this fall. Under that scenario, the earliest construction start date for the bank would be sometime in the second quarter of 1990, with a completion date of sometime in 1991. Those timetables may be further affected by site preparation difficulties, the bank's growth, weather conditions, or regulatory factors beyond the control of the bank. In any event, it appears to us that the bank will occupy its modular facility anywhere from 12-24 months after the bank's inception. 10201 WAYZATA BLVD. #330 MINNETONKA, MN 55343 612/949-9000 1 1 ' Ms. Jo Anne Olsen September 12, 1989 Page Two Hopefully the above is an adequate response to your questions and concerns regarding the bank's use of a modular facility for its initial banking house. However, if you have any additional questions, or need additional information please do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely, , ()r f \ L4 1 Thomas L. Mork ' President and CEO TLM:rls 1 i I I SOkyl'ORPORRTION TEL No .316-263-5465 HuJ . 1 ,L'.4 14 :02 F . 03 S O N C O R P O R A T I O N STRUCTURAL SPECIFICATIONS Floor joist -- 2" x 8" on 16" centers 1 Floor decking -- 3/4" tongue and groove plywood Floor finish -- commercial 30oz jute back carpet with 3/8" pad; vinyl in the baths Wall studs -- 2" x 6" on 16" centers Exterior wall sheating -- 3/8" CDX plywood, glued and nailed horizontally Exterior finish --- T-ll vertical grooved cedar siding Insulation -- R-22 floors, R-19 exterior walls, R-33 ceiling BATTS Interior walls -- vinyl covered 1/2" sheetrock Interior doors -- solid core mahogany or equivalent, stained; all trim wood stained Exterior doors -- commercial front glass doors with closures, aluminum frame with tinted glass and deadbolt; one rear metal exit door with closure and deadbolt Exterior windows --- 32" x 72" thexmro, double glazed, tinted in anodized aluminum frame Interior windows -- 30" x 60" Interior lighting fluorescent, four-tube, recessed, per code Ceiling -- 8' high, 1/2" sheetrock with textured paint Roof -- 3/12 pitch, 1/2" CDX plywood sub-roof, wood shake shingles, 16" overhang on the end of the roof; 12" overhang on sides Bath -- 1/2 baths with lavatory, polished edge mirrors, tissue holders, six gallon water heater; exhaust fan with vent through roof Plumbing per UPC, sweat copper supply lines, ABS drain waste and vents Wiring -- copper wiring in conduit per National Electric Codes Cooling system -- air-conditioning with wiring ready for connections, per engineer- ing recommendations Heating system -- furnace walls one-hour rated, standard heat duct systems with wall register, heat/cool thermostat, gas or electric, per engineering recommendations Counter tops and check writing stands -- plastic laminate Exterior lighting -- front and back doors Trap door for access under the building Pneumatic -- One each Hamilton pneumatic, installed overhead, exposed tube Conduit -- Ten alarm and telephone conduit drops Coffee bar with sink Reinforced vault room floor Canopy -- 12' x 16' , 1-1/2 lane drive-through to match building Foyer -- 6' X 10' with double glass doors and side windows ' 8/89 II F.F LIKH I ILIN IILL No . :,.-1.b- - 4bt, 1---1 H 1-1 Y . 1...:. , •:-...:.! 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Please call either Jim Ruckle with Shea Architects or me if there are any questions regarding the enclosed. Sincerely, ' r/ 2 Thomas L. Mork President and CEO TLM:ris ' Enclosure 1 I ' 10201 WAYZATA BLVD. #330 MINNETONKA, MN 55343 612/949-9000 I LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 (612) 937-1900 ' APPLICANT: TCNB Inc. OWNER: TCNB Inc. ADDRESS 10201 Wayzata Boulevard ADDRESS 10201 Wayzata Boulevard ' Minnetonka , MN 55343 Minnetonka, Mn 55323 Zip Code Zip Code 1 TELEPHONE (Daytime) 541-1000 TELEPHONE 541-1000 REQUEST: I.. Zoning District Change Planned Unit Development Zoning Appeal Sketch Plan Preliminary Plan Zoning Variance Final Plan Zoning Text Amendment Subdivision ' Land Use Plan Amendment Platting Metes and Bounds X Conditional Use Permit Street/Easement Vacation xxx Site Plan Review PROJECT NAME crossroads Plaza ' PRESENT LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION General Business District REQUESTED LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION General Business District ' PRESENT ZONING BG REQUESTED ZONING BC USES .PROPOSED Ranking SIZE OF PROPERTY 104 . 349 . Square Fpet _t LOCATION __Market- Boul evard and W 79tb St REASONS FOR THIS REQUEST Plan Review LEGAL DESCRIPTION (Attach legal if necessary) . . - . . . . • • .ment Park. (over) I J • I City of Chanhassen Land Development Application Page 2 FILING INSTRUCTIONS: This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions . Before filing this application, you should confer with the City Planner ' to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to your application . FILING CERTIFICATION: The undersigned representative of the applicant hereby certifies ' that he is familiar with the procedural requirements of all applicable City Ordinances . d B Ci gel/Signed y (� �' � y /OE, Date j 1?q, ' Applicant , The undersigned hereby certifies that the applicant has been authorized to make this application for the property herein ' described. Signed By Date Fee Owner • Date Application Received Application Fee Paid $150.00 City Receipt No. * This Application will be considered by the Planning Commission/ Board of Adjustments and Appeals at their meeting . I ti CITY OF 1440- CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 11(612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Mr. Thomas Mork and Mr. Jim Ruckle FROM: Jo Ann Olsen, Senior Planner DATE: September 20, 1989 SUBJ: Crossroads Plaza Site Plan Submittal I Staff has made a preliminary review of the Crossroads Plaza site plan submittal and has the following comments : I Buildings 1. Elevations of the permanent bank building with the building ' material shown are required. 2. The temporary building must have footings and must be hooked ' up to sewer and water. 3 . A phasing plan is required to show how the construction for the new bank will be coordinated with existing business/ parking at the temporary structure. Circulation 1 1. The driving lane behind the bank must be 24 feet in width. 2 . Staff has concerns about the access points onto Market and West 79th Street. Specifically, the one on Market Boulevard should not be used as an entrance and the west one on West 79th Street is too close to Market Boulevard. 3. 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AIMING ANGLE r `r 30 Iiiii AIMING I ANGLE MB , PRE S C O LITE General Offices Factor 1251 Doolittle Drive , San Leandro, California 94577 I ies San Leandro,Californra CI f uo, Askans.is • ∎A US INDUSTRIES COMPANY 1 A,W that r.twk<.a w wu,Id•t/.I.t<�r�„c� I IWattage: Up to 150 watts for incan- capil ig, Sealog secujeci with Annapolis n�pOI IS .�descent lamps; up to 175 watts for tamper-proof screw • interior tie-roc- HID construction increases strength and Square Bollard size:8"x 8"x :188"thick wall eliminates external fasteners • Lou- Heights:Heights: 42" overall-standard; also vers available with sections removed ^` available at 30", 36", and 48" to expose diffuser 90° • Clear tem- Special features: Full perimeter pered glass lens in cast aluminum top I polycarbonate louvers shield the light cap available for uptight•Electrostat source and direct light downward in a ically applied finishes available in a circular pattern • Cast aluminum top wide range of colors I Product IInformation : 1. 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Series Code piece of aluminum extrusion, alloy V' EX 6063-T6. Crowned aluminum sheet , 2. Luminaire Size canopy, crimped and sealed to hous- 20 ing. Finishing on housing shall be 25 30 The flat, thermal and impact tern- 3. Diffuser Code pered, clear glass lens is set into ex- A-Clear Glass truded aluminum lens frame, sealed 4. Luminaire Arrangement with an EPDM gasket.Door frame as- ' g sembly shall be removable.The door 10-Single to be hinged with aluminum pins and 28-Two at 180° retained with quick release safety 29-Two at 90° latch. EX20 available with choice of I 32-Three at 120° IES II, IES III, or IES V-Square or F 39-Three at 90° (Forward) distribution pattern. EX 25 49-Four at 90° available with IES II, IES III, IES V- 5. Reflector Options Code Square, or F (Forward) pattern. Re- 2-IES T pe II flector is precision hydroformed 3-IES Type III aluminum, chemically brightened 5-IES Type V and anodized to semi-specular finish; F-Forward Throw Distribution and reflector system is sealed to pre- 6. Luminaire Options Code vent entrance of dust or moisture.'' ' P - Photoelectric Control Reflector systems hinged and Receptacle latched to gasketed door frame for HS - House Side Cut-off Shield easy cleaning or removal. A discon- ' TF -Tilt Fitter nect shall be furnished inside the fix SG -- Polycarbonate ture so that when the door frame is Stone Guard opened, the ballast primary circuit is FL - Fuse Luminaire broken,thereby allowing the fixture to FP - Fuse Pole be serviced without shock hazard. N -Options Not Required Lamp socket shall have nickel plated 7. Lamp Wattage current carrying parts with lamp grip. 8. Lamp Type Code Ballast components mounted on a M-Mercury Vapor separate finned heat-sink extrusion H -Metal Halide having quick release fasteners that S -High Pressure Sodium operate without tools.' Ballast shall be - Incandescent capable of starting 9. Primary Voltage type of lamp of watts at 120 y 27 voltage down to-20" F. The 208 480 20p° C., 600-volt insulated wiring 240 VND(voltage not shall be installed between the ballast determined) components and the socket. The standard arm assembly shall be a 10. Luminaire Finish Code rectangular aluminum extrusion corn- (from fold-out page 36) plete with non-slip tie rod channels 11. Pole or Bracket Code serving as a compression member I Cross-reference Luminaire Size with two threaded and galvanized (Step 2) and Luminaire Arrange- steel tie rods and lock nuts in tension ment(Step 4)with the Wind Load between pole and luminaire. The lu- Rating Table below to select the minaire shall bear the listing mark of I appropriate pole or bracket from Underwriters Laboratory, "Fixtures fold-out page 36. suitable for wet locations.' Wind Load Rating Table ' I Luminaire Footnotes: Size Luminaire Arrangement 1. Model EX30 reflector system is 10 28 2932 39 49 dieformed, not sealed. 20 1.4 2.8 2.8 3.6 3.6 4.4 2. Type F(Forward)reflectors are bright I 25 2.5 5.0 5 0 6.3 6.3 7.6 pebbled aluminum sheet;not sealed. 3. Model EX30 ballast components 30 3.4 6.7 6.7 8.6 8.6 10.5 mounted on removable plate. 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Expansion anchors may be used. , R 15' 20' 25' 30' 35' 40' Poles Round RTA06-C RTA11-C RTA13-B RTA16-B RTA20-B RTA23-B Wind Load is calculated fora 80 m h wind Tapered load rating load rating load rating load rating load rating load rating P Aluminum 18.6 12,2 13.1 12.4 18.3 21.8 plus a 1.3 gust factor. If your project de mands other requirements contact your RTA14-B RTA17-B RTA25-B I. Sterner representative for alternative pole load rating load rating load rating data. 191 17 8 13 5 Poles include anchor base (surface Square SSA18-E SSA25-E SSA27-K SSA28-K .? Straight load rating load rating load rating load rating hinged for 15' and 20' aluminum poles) Aluminum 9.0 17 7 21.3 10 5 and anchor bolts. SSA19-E SSA26-E SSA29-D SSA30-D I To select correct pole size, specify pole load rating load rating load rating load rating i that has a Wind Load Rating that meets or 16.0 19 4 10 0 6.0 exceeds the Luminaire Arrangement Square SSS08-13 SSS10-P SSS19-P SSS20-P Wind Load Rating listed in the table with Straight load rating load rating load rating load rating • each luminaire. Steel 11.5 6.1 8.0 7.7 4 To order,add pole code,finish and options SSS13-P SSS14-P SSS1 -P to Iuminaire order number. load rating load rating load rating 23.2 15.4 11.3 • Round RTS03-11 RTSO4-H RTS25-H RTS26-H RTS27-H RTS28-11 ( , c y Tapered load rating load rating load rating load rating load rating load rating Steel 14.9 14.6 14 6 12.8 12.4 13.8 ( Example: QoUo� \"o�' Q o�' Square STS03-P STS24-P STS25-p STS26-P STS27-P STS28-P • (Luminaire U O V Tapered load rating load rating load rating load rating load rating load rating Order No.) RTS25-H C T Steel 28.6 19.3 16.8 12 6 10 7 9 3 Pole options. Q—Single weatherproof receptacle T—Duplex weatherproof receptacle • 1 GFT—Duplex ground fault receptacle N P Pre-wire s de No desired sired • Material Finishes Baked enamel: An electro-statically applied acrylic finish deposited on the - metal and baked in an oven to harden and cure the coating. • . -• Anodic: An extremely hard finish indige no to the metal. A—Baked Enamel Light Bronze B—Baked Enamel Medium Bronze If a finish coat is not required,insert the fol M—Anodic Light Bronze(311) N—Anodic Medium Bronze(312) lowing code for the type of pole specified: AD —Red Oxide Primer For Steel ;),..t �" ,• f; =e•;4 1 AC —Brushed Satin Finish For :?� i •;;Fa a 14• 1a>t },•Aluminum `'r ,.>;•.• :i'. r4.,,,,i,:-':!4i.:,1•: tf the color or finish is not known, serf ..',k'..4.,/'t >y. ''. ' o finish i wn,in the ? ,~�`.,->'"�'• �'��"�:�`3�''I° •• ,�..•If the in the ., _ 'ji.e' ± yy. following catalog number: . t :'f, - , 'art Ms� ri..4 1.R: iaY s-.. q4 t' NS —Not Standard u•.4`,• {`��_ C—Baked Enamel Dark Bronze G—•4 Baked Enamel•Natural Aluminum (furnish sample) P—Anodic Dark Bronze(313) R— NK —Not Known ( ) Anodic Natural Aluminum Nole:The colors illustrated are as close to actual finishes es Me printing process permits.However,these colors are ink•and•paper reproductions, not treated metals. Actual painted and anodic finishes, steel and aluminum, will vary Q—Anodic Coffee Black(335/5140) vary somewhat from these printed d colors. D—Baked Enamel Coffee Black STERNER 36 --' ?0-'' i Planning Commission Meeting ' October 4, 1989 - Page 10 SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A BANK AND OFFICE BUILDING ON PROPERTY ZONED BH, HIGHWAY BUSINESS AND LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF MARKET BOULEVARD AND WEST 79TH STREET, CROSSROADS NATIONAL BANK. ' Jo Ann Olsen presented the staff report. Tom Mork: Thank you. My name is Tom Mork. I'm the President and CEO of Crossroads National Bank which perhaps you've heard is a national bank charter currently in organization. We have our charter approved . It was approved in March actually and we' re currently in the final stages of getting the bank actually organized. This is a project that' s been near and dear to my heart for about the last year, give or take a week or so. ' Although I 've been in this chamber on numerous occasions dealing with the HRA, I can't tell you how pleased we are to be here to present our plan for our building to the Planning Commission. I 'd be more than happy to answer ' any of your questions about the bank and the development of it but I know that' s not really why you're here tonight . I will answer any questions you might have afterwards but right now I 'd like to turn it over to David Shea , the principle of Shea Architects who has been doing our development work on the building . David Shea : Thank you. I' ll give just a brief overview of the building ' and the location and a little graphic. . . .temporary location. We' re planning the entire facility. Obviously the main building is from here, some sort of a. . .as well and trying to locate a temporary facility so that we can easily construct a building without creating problems on the site to ' the traffic flow around this. Provide parking and minimum disruption in the future so the temporary facility, all the curb cuts would be in place. Most of the paving . . .curb cuts, landscaping for that so we' ll be able to establish a presence. Signage idenity early and then discuss as staff has suggested that we have it taken down within a week after we get certificate of occupancy on the building itself. There' s no problem with that. The items that were discussed as far as landscaping and we agree with all of those and I think as part of the development process , with this additional curbing here, we maintain the. . .trees. We have a special condition 'along the railroad area there. We obviously want to have the public, customers ' focusing on the building so that we felt that a strong screening approach, a framing approach of the site on that side. The building itself, we've done a number of financial institutions and this is an excellent site for ' this kind of an institution. We have a strong parking area to the side to accommodate the customers to the back and we have expansion areas within the building itself that will be used for office space. Rental office ' space that will provide a future expansion area within the building itself for the growth of the bank and then as staff points out , the additional opportunity to add onto the building in a like manner out into this area with similar architectural treatment so we can maintain the integrity of ' the building and really complete the visual aspect of the mass of the building and we can accommodate the bank' s future growth. The site plan, as I mentioned, works out very well in that we separate the driving flow on this side from the main pedestrian and from the parking area. They're different customers. A lot of people never go inside a bank. Maybe once at a bank once and then after that they use the drive in completely so a 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 11 ' very simple easy approach to that. I think the staff' s recommendation of deceleration lane is important and I think it can be accommodated within the flexibility of the plan itself and I think we can work with staff too to be able to accommodate that. The materials on the building would be, II and it's hard to tell from the model but it' s an all brick building . . .at the base of the front column in these areas here. We have a long roof that again picks up some of the gabled roof in making the building , it accomplishes a couple of things. It accommodates a high ceiling inside. I' picks up some of the elements that are in town itself. The coloration of it. Browns. The bronze colors. Those are, as we've gone through the tow and looked at a number of different structures in the town, this is a building of permanence and we have a limited maintenance building. I can' say maintenance free but. . .a limited maintenance building that will be here for a number of years. It's a solid building. Insulated glass and metal II frames and all the type of things that are necessary for a permanent building. The signage area to the side, we really extended the canopy out which is part of the building. We've tried very hard not to make a canopy, and a lot of times you see this in a drive in bank that are really appendages to the building . Stuck onto the building. We felt very strongly that the architecture of the building has to be maintained from the end of the last drive-in unit, potentially a ATM unit on the outside. II Going in and becoming part of the same architecture for the building carrying from one side to the other . Than when the future addition comes on, you can see it outlined here, it's a relatively simply job of carrying!' that progression of the architecture down. The brick, the metal and the stone faces and all of those. Generally we believe we've worked with the bank's needs as far as internal layout. The orientation of the entrance. The orientation of the drive in area. Trash enclosures are screened off. With staff' s recommendations on landscaping . We' re going to look into the cedar rust question. There are a couple of crab trees and if there are spruce trees around them, I 'll have to look into that but we've spent a great deal of time working from the inside of the building out and from th overall property so we get a good traffic flow and we feel that we've accomplished that. There are a number of items though on the staff report' that are beyond the architectural area that Tom would like to talk to. They expressed some concern about cross easements and future areas so Tom, if you'd like to do that and I ' ll be available for questions. Tom Mork: The questions or comments we have concerning staff's recommendations have to do with some of the conditions and some of them are really comments but the first one relates to number 3. We have absolutely!' no objection to a deceleration lane into our drive-up. In fact it' s my sense that as we are attempting to be as user friendly as possible, that a deceleration lane would actually work to our advantage and so the impact o that, in sliding the building over 13 to 20 feet is really an insignifican issue to us. Furthermore, the pedestrian sidewalk in place I think is also user friendly and we're very supportive of the notion. My one question is who pays for it and perhaps we can just get a clarification in terms of paying for it and also maintenance of it and so on. Conrad: Why don't we just talk about that. ' Tom Mork: Sure, okay. I Planning Commission Meeting ' October 4, 1989 - Page 12 Olsen: We believe that the City would be paying for those improvements in Market Blvd. in the sidewalk. ' Tom Mork: Okay. That'd be part of the entire improvement process? Okay. Good. The next item of comment is number 4, regarding the cross easement ' issue. When David tells you that we've spent a great deal of time in financial resources to develop the plan that we do have, he' s not kidding . I'm a banker and I 've never gone through the development of a building before and frankly I'm appalled at how quickly you can spend money on ' developing a plan but we also are very jealous of our image and we covet the kind of image that we are attempting to create in putting up a very professional building and in building our own staff and our own corporate ' identify if you will. Our concern about kind of a carte blanche cross easement has to do with our limited knowledge of what will be developed on the site to the east of us. We would prefer that that cross easement be ' linked to a specific use of that property. Inasmuch as our sense is that if we are unable to control that cross easement and access to both properties, the presence of a tenant on that site that we find objectionable gives us some cause for concern. For example, if it's a ' restaurant or some other kind of business that tends to create a problem of litter, it's our sense that we would like to segregate ourselves from that and so we would ask that that cross easement be linked more to a specific ' use of that piece of property than it is currently worded. Finally and also I think also in connection with the site to the east has to do with number 12 and that is, asking us to illustrate how the easterly parking lot will be modified . We have absolutely no problem in working with staff to ' try to clarify that as much as we can as soon as we can find out exactly what will be developed on that easterly site. We have a little bit of problem predicting what it's going to look like and how exactly our parking will be treated . We have looked at it from an overall standpoint and we've looked at some potential parking configurations but until a definitive plan is in place, we have a little bit of a problem giving more of a ' clarification or a commitment on that respect so those are the only . comments that I had. You've already addressed one of them so . Conrad: Thanks Tom. Anything else from your group? Tom Mork: Not in terms of a presentation. I guess we'd welcome questions. ' Conrad: Okay, we'll go around our group here and see what our comments are. Tim, we' ll start at your end. ' Erhart: On this slow down lane, I'm a little curious on our desire to have a slow down lane. That means that actually this lane is going to be an additional lane to the east of the right-of-way. Is there something different about that that you wouldn't want a slow down lane then on the ' intersection of West 79th Street and Market Blvd. or is it because that street's wider? ' Olsen: Market is going to be a main entrance into and out of the city so that's why we felt it was necessary on Market because that's where you' re going to have the cars . 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 13 ' Erhart : Yeah okay but then why isn' t the same thought process require us to have a slow down lane. If we want a slow down lane here, I 'm not objecting to that at all . I 'm just questioning, then don' t we need a slow' down lane for the same argument over here? Krauss : There is one. The way it' s designed is that you have two lanes I coming northbound from TH 5. One of those lanes drops out at the intersection. It's basically a turn lane. Olsen: Then there's a median here. That's why one of the lanes is lost u' there. There are two. Erhart : Oh so it's more than a single lane up there where down here it' s two lane? Krauss: Right. Erhart : Okay. Just testing you. Secondly, it appears to me the cross easement is a requirement due to the fact that you don't own, the developer doesn' t own the property where the drive is isn' t it or do I misunderstand' Olsen: The drive is on top. It' s over a property line. Erhart : So I mean a cross easement is not a function of you not ' controlling your property. It's because you have your driveway on somebody else' s property so I don' t understand why you feel , why you' re making this request. ' David Shea: We very easily could maintain this line right here and have our entrance right over here. This had come up at an earlier discussion I about trying to do this and where we feel we can contain and have a landscape barrier coming right down through here. Have a full intersection entrance in off of here and maintain our space entirely separate from this over here. I guess we' re showing this because we' re talking aobut it tonight and we do feel that we can maintain. . . Erhart: Who' s asking you to put that double wide entrance in there? David Shea: Is it traffic engineering in the City or is it anyone else? Tom Mork: It's HRA. ' David Shea: That talked about it before. Tom Mork: Part of the HRA's concern was that we develop a common entrance to both sides of the site. I mean our preference would be that we could control our own access but it really does not make a lot of sense if we ca, control our image. I guess that' s really what our concern is. We would prefer to have our own but this particular configuration I think is an accomodation to the HRA's concern initially. I t Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 14 ' David Shea : They don' t even know if this entrance would be the right entrance for whatever facility they have here. I mean they may want it over here . They may want it right here so we' re sort of guessing . This ' building could be over here. We don't know that and we put it on that. We feel that we could very easily separate ourselves out that way as we have over here and here and maintain this as an entity. Erhart: Yeah, and I don' t even know how we should respond to that. Batzli : Who owns the land to the east there? Olsen: HRA also owns that and as Paul and I were just discussing , it' s fine with us if they just have the one entrance right on their property. Then that removes the cross easement. Krauss: When we first reviewed this, we looked at the possibility of eliminating one of those entrance points and coming up with a central ' access. We had always assumed from the start that we would have a shared access point there.always in fact that was going to be a segregated access , we wouldn't want it on the property line because then you wind up with the same situation you get when you drive into City Hall where there' s 3 driveways coming together and you' re never sure which is the street and which one you turn down. ' Erhart : Well it seems to me it's, if you go in there and turn right or left, it seems to me it's going to be confusing traffic rather than the ' traffic intersection being on the street, it' s going to be right in there. David Shea : Frankly we feel very comfortable with doing that and then somebody else if t I mean they want it here. They may want it over here. they, Batzli : What is the driveway setback? How far over would they have to ' move their driveway? Olsen: There is no setback for the driveway. If it' s going to be shared , ' which it might be in the future. Again, we don't know, then there' s no setback like for the parking area. Batzli : But if they were to move it to the west, how far would they have to go? Ellson: From each other you're saying? ' Olsen: For a driveway, 10 at the most. If they' re going to separate them, they have to have a strip for the landscaping . David Shea: I think from the center to this we' re about 5 feet which provides you with a 5 foot barrier on the side and I guess when this property comes to staff and then we could go through the question about ' cross easements and that at that point and decide whether or not you want to combine this entrance but if we move this entrance down here, then it gets close to this separate turning areas and the set of things from here. 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 15 This one feels like it should be separated out and when and if this gets II developed in some fashion, then we could, these people come back and talk to staff and then come back to the bank and discuss a shared entrance at that point or maybe the entrance is here and we don' t have to concern ourselves with it at all . Maybe they only need one entrance onto this space. It's premature but we don't want to preclude. The bank does need that and does need that kind of a traffic flow inside here that can be separated out. Conrad: Yet on the other hand it restricts. If we allow a third access . Erhart: What's going to happen is there will be too many curb cuts . Conrad: Yeah . We're restricting what' s happening to the property to the I east because we're not going to allow two curb cuts within 20 feet. We won't go over Paul ' s head again. Now twice in the same evening . Krauss: Whether you do or you don' t go over my head, that's up to you but' this kind of a movement internally can be handled very easily with extension of the traffic islands down there to divert it. This is a fairly/ common design. I guess we feel sort of strongly that preserving that multiple use of that curb cut's an important factor. If that cross access easement isn' t taken at the time the subdivision goes through, there is no leverage to get it in the future. If it' s not used in the future, it's no used but this site over here is not that large and we've seen a few different proposals but there's nothing firm for what might happen here bu it may well be that this site needs two access points. The same as the bank. One over here, one over here. You've got a real problem with turning movements there. Both this site and if there' s retail use on the other site, generate fairly high volumes of traffic coming in and out. If you have traffic slowing down and turning and accelerating and leaving within close proximity to one another, you've really got a hazardous situation. Conrad : A problem I have though is you've got some cross traffic and the I scenario that I see, if you've got access coming from the property to the east trying to get to an exit, you've got some cross traffic there based on this particular design which is not good at all. l Krauss: But you've got to realize though that this is about 40 or 50 feet back in here before that turn occurs. There's quite a few entrances that I are designed that way. Batzli : The one that I can think of that's poor is the one at 7 Hi Shopping Center coming across from the Cub. Straight across where you hall that type of a. . . Krauss: Yeah, that one did do it but the one I was thinking that was better is on the other side of the street going into where Cub .is and Westwinds. Batzli : Yeah, that's a good one. That' s designed much better . Okay, we' ll do one like that. I Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 16 Conrad: Why do you need 3 curb cuts in this? ' David Shea: Let me explain. In a situation like this where you have very, very different types of traffic here you don' t want to mix the traffic flow. This is the drive in traffic. It comes in off of Market Blvd . . Separate use. Comes in here. Does their business and exits back out. There's no need to blend that traffic and there's no need to eliminate a great quantity of landscaping that does form the front of the building in this area here by having another roadway that comes across and then you end ' up with serious cross traffic on the street in the parking lot with cars come in, park, backing out and with these people are actually looking for more of an express approach. They're in the drive in slot for a few minute and back out on the street and their business is done in a very short area. If you start bringing them through the parking lot, you' re starting to create more congestion in the parking lot. More potential difficulties for. turning. This is a relatively narrow parking area here. If you further restrict it with a driveway that runs through it, it really damages the retail nature of the bank and the convenience nature of the bank and the customer parking right at the front. That' s why when we do these types of ' facilities, it's almost like two separate buildings. This is one flow. This is another flow and we try to keep those things separate. ' Conrad: You could separate those flows internally though however but I won't belabor that point. I hear what you' re doing. Batzli : Is the road to the north of the bank, is that a one way a certain way there? That driveway. David Shea : This is 24 feet. This is two way back here. That gives essentially an escape hatch. . . .and back out to Market Blvd. here. Emmings: You can' t. ' Krauss: That's a right-in. David Shea: Okay, I apologize. You can go into the drive-in and go around that way. Erhart: In listening to it, I think your perception of the problem is probably compounded by the fact that you're showing a curb that turns to the left and that this double driveway appears to serve your whole space. I think if you redraw it and take that curb out there, then your entrance really becomes slightly to the north of that and I'm not sure you're concerned about people perceiving that you' re part of a McDonalds or something quite as much as you might think. But the other hand, I think staff has a legitimate concern that that business next door , whatever it ' might be, needs more than one access point. There' s no way you can get 4 access points. Tom Mork: We have allowed for whatever is developed here in the future is going to be part of an overall development. We understand how jealous the City is of this particular plan that it' s going to develop favorably. I 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 17 1 However , over time needs change. . .and you may be right. We may be do over' react but we just tend to be real protective of our image. Erhart: The last thing is that you have the enter only and I don' t quite II understand why that would be. It seems to me that someone coming in and wanting to exit out onto Market Blvd. and go north, it just seems logical to me, you have 24 feet on the drive up to the north, that they would want' to drive along the north boundary and turn right out that exit and go. What' s the purpose of the enter only there? It seems like a nuisance. Tom Mork: I think the initial concern was with the median being right here, that having both in and out traffic it was going to confuse this particular intersection. Staff put a more technical term. Krauss: Market Blvd. over there, this goes back to one lane in each direction. Southbound is actually sort of a lane and a half and there ' s actually going to be a turn lane built into the median to allow them to II turn into this site. You' re very close to the railway tracks and we're concerned with introducing a lot of turning movements and encouraging people to go out and sort of square out to the north through there. We'd rather they went through the legitimate intersection and got into the flow' of traffic before they head across the railroad tracks . We initially were concerned with having any access up there and basically worked this out as a best possible compromise and there' s been some design effort in going back and worth with BRW who's working on the roadway improvement project. II Erhart : Is there going to be cross bars at that intersection? Your concern was that someone would go out of there and just accelerating where' they wouldn' t be watching? Krauss: There's just a lot going on there . 1 Batzli : So you said there will be a cross arm at the railroad track there? Olsen: There is going to be a crossing. ' Tom Mork: I guess I 'd like to say that I think that staff has been very sensitive to our needs and we fully expect that when the building is operational , 75% of our transactional volume comes through the drive up so it is a high traffic area and I think they were very supportive of our concern in that respect. ' David Shea : And the best way of doing that is keeping the turning motions as simple as possible by leading people through a drive in. I think that ' we agreed that that's the best way, the best compromise for that particula area. Erhart: Your landscaping there, is that the same as the landscaping shown' here or is there a difference? David Shea: This is a little more schematic but we do have a landscaping II plan. It should be the same. I Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 18 1 Erhart: I guess it' s the same. Tom Mork: The landscaping in the model , the model was done initially when the HRA was doing architectural approval and we had to put the model ' together and then we did the actual landscaping . David Shea: That does not relate to this but I think this should relate to your packets . Erhart: I see that. I was looking at the first page. That' s all my questions. Emmings: I guess on the cross easements, I think we should preserve that at this time. Number 6 talks about the pylon sign and I guess there will be no pylon sign. Is that right? Olsen: Yeah, they've now submitted a plan just for the monument right. rEmmings: So when we say, have they provided detail on the pylon sign so can we essentially delete number 6? With respect to number 12, I guess I agree with the comments of the applicant. Is there any reason we have to ' review their plans for the parking lot now or couldn' t that be done as part of reviewing the expansion? Olsen: Right . Emmings: It really seems to make more sense so I 'd go with them on that. ' Then I have one more. On number 7, this is going to sound awfully cynical and I don' t mean it to sound that way. I know you've put a lot of time and effort into planning this and it's very nice. Anytime I see anything that' s temporary, it scares the pants off me. I went to the University of ' Minnesota and went to temporary. . .for follow-ups for classes. Buildings that were supposed to last about 4 years and we' re still, there 25 years later. I guess what I would say is just put a cap on this temporary facility and say something like, add on the end , or 2 years from the date of approval of the site plan, whichever comes first. • ' Tom Mork: I guess if you're going to do that, what I would ask is you would go back and look at the purchase agreement that we have negotiated with the Housing and Redevelopment Authority. . . I think it is 2 years from the date of closing on the property that we commence construction and we ' have done that because we are under some potential constraints from a regulatory standpoint as to when we can actually put up the building. As of today we can do it right away. .We just aren' t in a position to do that as of right now. We'd like to but this is our best attempt to compromise. We share your sentiment 100% and we think spent a great deal of time convincing the HRA that it's not our intent to be in a modular building . ' Emmings: I'm sure of that. Tom Mork: Our primary competition recently built a 2 million dollar ' building and we're real sensitive to a competitive image as well so I guess if you're going to put a sunset on it, I would ask that it be done in sync 11 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 19 1 with the. I would prefer that you not do it but if that' s the sense. 1 Emmings: Now I know I want to do it. Tom Mork: Then I would ask that you coordinate it with the purchase agreement. Emmings: Well this purchase agreement though, it sounds like it sets out II time by which you must start construction of the permanent facility and I guess what I 'm saying is, well I guess we could go. How long does construction take once it's started? David Shea: 6 to 7 months . Emmings: Maybe we could go a year from. . . 1 Batzli : Approval of the construction. What does the City enter into before they start the contract? The development contract? Olsen: This one wouldn' t have a development contract. They'd have to get a building permit. I Emmings: I think what we should do is say that the temporary facility could be there for a maximum of one year after whatever the date is when I they've got to start construction. Erhart: Why don' t you just make it a maximum limit of how long a temporar facility can be there period? Elison: Right. Headla: Steve, I agree with your comments . I had 24 months maximum. Emmings: What? Headla: I had the same concerns and what do you think about just saying from the time the temporary building goes up, you've got x number of month and then it' s got to go? Erhart: Right. Headla: Because I was looking for the wording they had in here and that I was the key that said hey you've got to have a limit on it. Emmings: But my understanding is they're going to put the temporary 1 building is going to go up right away. Tom Mork: That's correct. A temporary building will be there in all likelihood 30 to 60 days before we even have an opportunity to open the bank for business . Emmings: And then they're saying they have 2 years to commence ' construction so it seems to me we've got to go. 11 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 20 I Ellson: That's if you want it tied in with that. How long do you want a temporary thing here? Conrad: How long do you want a temporary building? ' Ellson: Do we want a mobile home kind of set up there? I mean it'd be nice if. . . I 'm not sure if I want to wait 20 years. Emmings: Well I don't know. Tom Mork: I think there' s probably some real strong misconception that ' we' re talking about in terms of a modular building. This is not a corregated metal side mobile home with a hitch on the front and wheels. It's a permanent building. It' s really no different than a modular home. . . rEmmings: I ' ll tell you, to be very honest with you since you raised the point. When I looked at the, I thumbed through the staff report at home and I saw this as the temporary building and I thought, what the hell are they doing? I thought that was your building. I hadn' t opened the plans yet. That is grotestque. It may not be grotestque. It may not be bad and I don't mean to insult you but if you had come in with this as the plan for your bank, I don' t think we would have approved it. Tom Mork: We understand that entirely. With all due respect to your concerns, we have the same ones. I guess the one thing that I would like to emphasize is that we are not dealing in an environment where we are always totally afraid to do exactly what we'd like to do. We are severely governed by the control of the current state of the Department of Treasurey ' that may or may not have objections on when we actually start our building . As of now, there's nothing there but in light of the current turmoil in the financial institutional industry, with all the problems going on with the ' Savings and Loan Industry and the bailouts, frankly we have some concerns that the environment might change and I guess I do have a little bit of a problem in saying a 2 year sunset. I would much rather ask that you give us 9 months from the date of commencement of construction because it is our ' intent, and we don' t have any option, but to start construction on this building and I believe. . .and I guess I would just ask you to give ii's the. . . ' Emmings: I would think that assuming that what happens if they don't start construction in 2 years under the contract with HRA? ' Tom Mork: We forfeit the property. Emmings: Okay. Well that's pretty strong. I guess if they have 9 months from the date they have to commence construction under their agreement with the HRA to get rid of this temporary building, that would be fine by me. Tom Mork: . . .is a 9 month time frame long enough? ' Emmings: Well 6 months is what they said when I asked the question before. David Shea: Sometimes you have landscaping and a few things like that that if we get the season wrong, you have to wait until May and June to do the Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 21 1 landscaping. Emmings: Is that going to keep you from moving in the building there? Batzli: That's not going to affect the Certificate of Occupancy though? I David Shea : No, but I think building completion sometimes, no that' s true. Emmings: What'd you say? You've got to take down the temporary building 1 within 9 months after you start construction of your permanent facility. Tom Mork: Aren't we accomplishing the same thing by doing this as saying we' ll have the building on the site within one week of the Certificate of Occupancy? The thing I guess I 'm concern about is, a 9 month time frame may be realistic but what' s happen if weather conditions should extend tha l or there are material shortages or something like that? Emmings: I think it' s long enough. I think it's too long for a temporary' building but I 'm willing to go that long. Ellson: My biggest concern with the whole thing was the temporary. Why are we allowing this? We don't usually let people come in. I 've never 1 seen, if someone wants to do a dry cleaner but they' ll set up a smaller facility. Why are we even doing a temporary thing? Is this typical? I 've never seen it in the couple years I 've been here and it makes me uneasy that normally we don't let something in unless they' re ready. They've got the money. They're ready to develop. What have you and I 'm a little uneasy that we're tied to the financial conditions and everything like that. 1 Olsen: In just looking at the circumstances, I guess we really didn' t have any great concerns with it I guess. We just had faith that they would be moving ahead with it. They have supplied the details of the facility. Th temporary facility to have the building department look at to see whether or not this was a halfway decent. Would it be safe. Things like that and everyone felt confident that it would be okay. ' Tom Mork: Maybe if I could add to this. We have from the date of our project approval , 1 year to put together our capitalization so that takes I us to next March 10th. From that point on we get another 6 months to get the bank actually up and running. I have never started a new bank and it' s something that isn' t done very often but I can assure you that there are a awful lot of details that I never imagined involved in starting a bank frog scratch and frankly, what's most important to us is that we start getting. . .This is not an ideal approach to it. We recognize that but unde the timing constraints that we' re living under in terms of getting our charter operational . . .this is the best alternative. I hope that maybe tha timing constraint that you're not aware of. . . Krauss : I just want to add that in my experience, it' s not an uncommon 1 practice for banks to do this. Health clubs will put a trailer out at the site as they build it to get membership rolls. Apartment projects will pu� model homes on a site. It's a fairly common practice around the Twin 11 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 22 i Cities. As long as it' s under control with a sunset, I haven' t had much problem with it. Olsen: And they are making all the necessary improvements to the site which is usually where staff doesn' t budget you know when it's just going to be gravel but they are going to be paving everything and putting all the utilities in and landscaping . Ellson: Well I guess I don' t have as much experience as many of the others but I'm just uncomfortable I guess with that and the precedence that it might be setting for everybody who wants to go out and get going but they're not quite ready yet but boy when I get up and moving, then I ' ll do it exactly what you want . We' re blessing it. I don' t know and I don' t like a time frame of like 3 years existing like that either. I guess I 'm trying to picture the whole city growing and that just doesn' t seem like a nice way to start it off and it' s so different than most the people coming through here. Like we got to get started and can we get moving. We want to break ground right away and this one is, is it okay if we don' t do the main stuff for. 2 years , 9 months and that sounds like an awful long wait I guess to me. You can tell I 'm on the other side of the coin. ' Tom Mork: I guess I 'm concerned that we' re creating an image that we ' re not anxious to get in a more permanent building which is not at all the case. If things go the way that we would like them to, we hope to start construction next year. Next summer. But by the same token, in dealing with the HRA, we asked them to consider some of the regulatory requirements that a dry cleaner doesn' t have for example. We are dealing with a national bank charter and federal regulator and it does sometimes impede progress as you deal with bureaucracy so I don't want to leave here tonight with the impression that we aren' t as anxious as you to be in a permanent home. Emmings: If I can interrupt Annette. When you say that, what I hear anyway is that there is the possibility that things will not go the way yor ' plans are structured . That it will not allow you to start building the bank maybe when you want to start building the bank and I guess that's the possibility we' re trying to address by putting on a cap on the length of time you can be existing in a temporary building. ' Tom Mork: And I think that' s what the HRA was concerned about too and that's why they put the forfeiture clause in there for a period of time. Emmings: Now it's our turn. Tom Mork: And I understand your concerns and I really don' t have any problem with them as long as it doesn't impose a time table that is contrary to what the HRA has asked us . Emmings: Well we don't want to do that. I don't. Ellson: The only other comment I had was that we've got 2 of these next to I our company also and I still wouldn't like it as a bank but one other things is about the people next door . I don' t think that we really can do Planning Commission Meeting 11 October 4, 1989 - Page 23 1 much to allow you to pick the type of tenant or approve the people next door. I think that if you want to buy the land, that's probably as close 11 as you come to being able to give it away to whoever you want but I don' t think we can put anything in there about the cross easements and who the neighbors would be. What are the hours going to be? A lot of times when II businesses will tell us their working hours, sometimes we' ll . . . Tom Mork: Well yeah. I 'm looking around because I 'm not certain if our II competition is here. Batzli: They'll be watching the TV. Ellson: It's on television and I 'm sure they' re all tuned in. Tom Mork: Frankly right now we would expect the drive in to be open at II least from 7:00 a .m. to 7:00 p.m. and we' ll be open for full service banking at 7: 00 in the morning as well . The lobby, we haven' t established the closing time but it will be 5:00 or 6:00. Somewhere in there. Those II are some organizational details we haven' t quite worked out . Batzli: It was funny because when I first saw the temporary building, I thought of a little trailer that they had in the Bank Excelsior ' s parking lot there while they were remodeling. That's all I could think of was thi little, anyway. You had to be there to see it. I don' t have a problem with the two year starting period. I guess whether it' s 9 months or a year , whatever , I guess I 'd like to see some sort of sunset but I also think that they're going to have a lot of red tape to go through to do a lot of things and I don' t know that Qs imposing some sort of time table ' that they're going to have to be in here asking us for changes later. I don't know what the point is of making it too compressed is. I don' t know what the difference is between 9 months and a year for instance. They say 6 months. We say 9 months. I mean what are we really trying to do? Are II we trying to let them build a bank or are we trying to put a prod in their back? Conrad: Well let' s ask Jo Ann or Paul that same question. When we. approv, a site plan for any other company in town, are there limitations on that? Ellson: The approval lasts for x length of time? ' Conrad: How long have we approved it for before they. . . Olsen: I believe it' s unlimited. The building permit I know that that ' runs out in a year . Emmings: But this is not the same. They don' t have to start building . ' Ellson: But we're talking about this precedent kind of thing. Conrad: So anybody who comes in here and gives us a site plan, Jo Ann, as!' long as they own that land, that site plan lasts forever and we don't say it runs out? If you don' t develop it the way we've agreed to. ' 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 24 ' Elison: I remember that David Stockdale. Didn' t he run out . . . Olsen: Well conditional uses have that limitation and variances have a limitation. I just can' t remember if site plans do. Conrad: What about in the downtown district? What zone are we? Olsen: Site plans don' t. Conrad: We're in the general business district. We' re not in the CBD. ' Olsen: No. Conrad: If we were in the CBD, what would the restrictions be? Any? Olsen: Time limit? Conrad: Yeah. Olsen: It would all still be a site plan and that one doesn' t have a limitation. Emmings: No limit on what Ladd? Conrad: How long our approval lasts before something occurs? Before there is construction. ' Emmings: That' s a different question though. I don' t want to limit that. I don't care about that. Batzli : That's already limited by the HRA. They have to start within 2 years of closing or such and such date. Emmings: I don't care. ' Conrad: You don' t care? Because that really dictates how long your temporary facility stays . Emmings: What I care about is how long, on this major entrance, this major new entrance to Chanhassen, how long these two temporary buildings sit out in the parking lot. That' s what I care about. Conrad: Sure. I agree. Does that anything to do with the building? ' Emmings: Well yeah sure. I suppose they' re going to disappear when the building gets built. Conrad: They' ll take them down for sure. They don' t want them there for ' guarantee. They don't want that building there so the question, in my mind, the question is how long do you want those there period regardless of when they built the building. Emmings: I don't want them there at all but I think they've got needs. r Planning g Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 25 Conrad: And I 'm trying to dissect whether we have any standards for related type, not absolutely the same issue but I 'm concerned that we may have something up for 2 years and it doesn' t come back for review and I 'm not sure I want to review it but I do have concerns. Brian? Batzli : But really, what you said is true. They will be there in essence a minimum or a maximum of 2 years from closing. Temporary buildings I because by that time. Well 2 years plus 6 months approximately. Or 9 months if they slip a little but I don' t know when that period begins either. When that 2 year period starts . I Emmings: When they sign their agreement with the HRA it sounds like. Batzli: When does that happen? ' Tom Mork: The 2 year period starts in May. Batzli: Last May or next May? ' Tom Mork: This coming May. , Conrad: So 2 years from May plus 9 months. Batzli : You' re into about what, 1994 there or something . 1993. ' Conrad: It's a long time. Toni Mork: In the worse case scenario, it would be 1993 . ' Batzli : Well to get onto something else for a minute. I don't quite understand this easterly parking lot and what the City is looking for in terms of the applicant illustrating proposed modifications. Would that parking lot have to be modified if the adjacent parcel is developed? Woul they share a parking lot? Is that what we' re envisioning? Olsen: Every plan that we have seen has shown that all of it acting as one site. We were just pointing that out that is that is going to be proposed, that we would like to see exactly how that was going to work to see how th circulation would work. Batzli : If they in fact shared a parking lot and the single entrance? , Olsen: Yeah, so it might be premature to ask for that now. Batzli: But if we don' t ask for it now, in essence the bank controls ' whether or not they want to share parking or not so it would be up to the developer of the adjacent parcel unless that' s in their agreement with HRA II that that's going to happen. Olsen: That it's going to be shared? r Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 26 I Batzli : Unless it's in the agreement with HRA, it' s totally at the discretion of the bank whether they want to share the parking lot. It sounds to me like the bank doesn' t want to. Tom Mork: I wouldn' t say that. I really wouldn' t. Batzli : The bank' s strong inclination is to potentially not want to share a parking lot with their next door neighbor from the sounds of it. Conrad: Why is it up to the HRA? ' Batzli : I'm just saying if that' s part of their development agreement but it doesn't sound like it is. Olsen: I don' t know if it is. Conrad: But they don' t have anything to do with site planning . Olsen: And the new site plan on the easterly lot, if that showed that they would be sharing the parking , then they could show how that' s going to impact. . . Batzli : Right. I 'm just trying to tie in why are we asking them for this? ' Conrad: Only for flexibility in the future so we wouldn' t have to give the next property to the east 2 additional sites and curb cuts . This may save a curb cut. If they share parking. Batzli : Well that ' s what we' re asking for . To the entrance. I 'm just talking about this parking lot. Why are we asking for shared parking was my question. ' Olsen: I don' t think we' re asking for shared parking . It' s just that everything we've seen has shown. Batzli : That it's developed as, okay. It doesn' t. It says in 12, the easterly parking lot shall be modified when the adjacent parcel is developed. I'm assuming the adjacent parcel is to the east. In any event I guess I would rather go on and delete that particular paragraph 12. I 'd add a new paragraph 13 that the future addition designated on the plans isn't a part of this approval. The question, did public safety ever review the canopy and the height of the canopy? Olsen: Yes. They got all the plans. ' Batzli : Because on their checklist they just said something like we' ll monitor or I don't know what they said. They' re supposed to have 14 feet. They say we' ll review building plans so that' s going to be reviewed at a ' later time? Olsen: When the details come in. Brian, I'm sorry to interrupt but 13, future addition, is not included in this? 11 . 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 27 Batzli: Yeah. Then I was going to ask about the railroad track and this II enter only. The distance from the railroad track but it sounds to me like you guys have reviewed that and thought about that pretty carefully. Those were my questions. Wait a minute. I wanted to bug Tim because he didn' t II even say anything about deceleration and he' s an engineer and I just wanteil to bug him about that. It should have been negative acceleration. Okay. Erhart: Duly noted. 1 Headla: I like their express lane. The way they handled the traffic . I don't have any problem with the curb cuts there. When I look at Excelsior' and the two banks together , I think those curb cuts make people make decisions before they get into a problem and then try to make a quick decision. I like the curb cuts for the express lane and I 'd support the curb cuts for your own property there. On your recommendations, there' s 3 memos there as attachments . That' s the question 4. Do those attachments go with the recommendations? In those memos are not included in your recommendations . ' Olsen: The building official , that all has to be, when they come through with the building permit, that's when they meet all of those conditions. I Headla: Pardon? Olsen: The building official , from Ron Julkowski , that memo. What he points out, that is all verified and has to be met when they get the building permit. Same with the fire inspector . A lot of the things they can't address until they do get the detailed plans of the building . I Headla: How about the one from Julkowski where it said also plans must have Minnesota seal from State Inspection Department? Now is that part of the recommendations? Are you saying that the attachments are not part of the recommendations? Olsen: They have to submit that for the building permit. That' s part of II the submittal requirement. Headla: Oh, it's not part of the recommendation? It' s part of another ,process? Olsen: Right. Batzli: I think part of the confusion is that it seems to me that we used to have kind of a blanket statement that the things from a such and such memo dated a certain date are included as part of this approval process anil we're not really seeing those anymore. Olsen: Okay. ' Batzli: Did something happen? Ellson: Different people come in and you want different. . . ' I Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 28 Olsen: Right. Then you didn' t want those general conditions . Batzli: Did we say that? Olsen: I've heard that . Batzli: Who said that here? Conrad: Everybody said that. Everybody. Batzli: Well we've said we didn' t want as many conditions I thought. I don't recall saying we didn't want a general condition. Conrad: Anything that's standard. If there are standard conditions we've always, the Planning Commission said don't include them because they have to include them only if they really had to be highlighted . Batzli: Okay, I see what you' re saying. Conrad: I think Dave harped on this and now that he' s resigned , it doesn' t matter. ' Headla: You're going to revert huh? ' Olsen: I 'll give each person a different set of conditions . Batzli: So the conditions that are in these attached reports that aren' t in here are general conditions. They apply to everything that everybody comes through here does and that' s why they' re not in here. Olsen: Right. And the specific things, when they come in with the ' building permit, that' s part of the building permit application and that' s where the fire inspection. Conrad: You see you don' t know that. Only Jo Ann and Paul know that those ' are general conditions. We the lay folks don't know if they' re general and typical or if they' re special for this particular deal . That' s why sometimes it' s good to have 33 conditions out there because then we know they were incorporated from other memos. This way it' s saying to staff , we trust you. You know what you're doing. Olsen: We usually just point out ones that apply to the site plan. Conrad: But we are the ones who are harping on keeping the number of those things minimal. ' Batzli: Paul looks like he really wants to say something. Krauss: Well I don' t really. The stuff from Ron Julkowski for example is more informational than conditional as to something that you would view. It's an informational resource for these people that when they prepare the plans, he's going to be looking for those items so it's just a useful thing 11 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 29 for them. It' s not really consideration for the Planning Commission ' specifically. Headla : That's a good explanation on that one. I was going to come back , with plans must have Minnesota seal but you're giving them information tha this is what you're going to expect . Fine. I don' t have a problem with that then. Then let's go to the September 12th memo to Jo Ann. At the 1 bottom on the page. Those time tables may be further affected by site preparation difficulty, the bank's growth, weather conditions, or factors beyond the control of the bank. In any event, it appears to us that the bank will occupy it's modular facilities and so on. When I read those words it says you' ve got to put a time limit on it. There' s no reason whyll we shouldn't put a time limit on it. Give them 24 months or whatever but put a time limit for that facility to be gone. The modular one. I 've got' no problem with keeping the feet to the fire. Also, if you really ruOn into like severe weather conditions . Something totally out of your control . I don' t believe that Council ' s going to be unreasonable but they've got to do something to keep your feet to the fire to get the job I done otherwise what's your incentive. You could leave it up there a lot longer . Tom Mork: Well we do have incentive. We' ll forfeit the land if we don' t ' build the building within the time frame. Headla: You've got to get that building removed. I really thing we shoal, have a time limit on it. You've covered everything else. Batzli : What do you think about the easement? The cross easement. Do yoll think they need it? Headla : My point was that I don' t object to the curb cuts in that location. I referenced Excelsior and I think those curb cuts are good because it forces people to make a decision before they get in there and they can put in a curb cut that will serve their purpose. Conrad: Tom, did you have you had the charter? Tom Mork: Yes. The charter' s been approved. ' Conrad : So really it's a financing deal right now? Just going to make some comments as I go through here sequentially in the staff report. I doll like the cross easement that the staff has recommended. Not that I agree that we' re going to do it. I like the flexibility to be able to do it if necessary. It makes sense to me on the eastern property line. Question o staff. The time and temperature sign are permitted without a permit. How come? Olsen: It's in our ordinance. ' Conrad: So it says anybody can put a time and temperature sign up and there's no permit required where all other signs require a permit? Olsen: Yeah, it's under the signs without a permit. Garage sale signs. I 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 30 Conrad : That's real interesting because I think that type of a signage can be more objectional than others so I find that, I don' t know if we care right now. We've got enough stuff to look at. rOlsen: It's always more than time and temperature. Ellson: That' s right. Conrad : They' re really consumer oriented. I like them but I just find that we control every nit and nat and we' re really restrictive except for ' something that's really, it can be very obtrusive and it just seems like it should be under the same guidelines as any other signs that we have. In terms of the temporary facility, I didn' t see anything about lighting in your recommendations. Olsen : Parking lighting? Conrad: Parking lighting yeah . The word temporary says well they' re not going to do much yet so we don' t have to worry about it yet I feel real uncomfortable. We are granting occupancy to that site yet in the plans, in the presentation there' s nothing on lighting and I 'm worried we' re treating temporary as if it' s, ah, maybe something will happen and then we' ll really review them when they put up the real building so what have we seen about lighting in there? Olsen : They have to supply all the parking lights that are going to be required for the permanent structure. Conrad : Don' t you normally report to us on lighting or do you wait until it gets to City Council? ' Olsen: Whether or not they' re shielded? Conrad: Yeah, shielded types. • Olsen: We've looked at that but anything that doesn' t meet it, then I usually point it out. Conrad: Okay. Have they presented the lighting to you? 11 Olsen: It's on the plan. The actual detail of the lighting, no. Do you have that on? David Shea: We can supply that to staff. A shielded lighting fixture. Conrad: I'm not worried about it. I guess my deal is, there's a mentality we're working on a temporary structure here but really it' s a permanent occupant. You're in business. You've got traffic there. So if you can make a note that City Council should be reviewing that or making sure. Or at least review the reviews by the time it gets to City Council. I don' t want to see it because I know you've got it under control . r Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 31 Olsen: As far as that sign, I had read that wrong . It' s under prohibited" signs. It's excepted. It says motion signs or flashing signs except time and temperature signs and barber poles. Emmings: What section are you reading from? 1 Olsen: That's Section 20-1259. Conrad: So this is not a motion sign? Olsen: Well it's a motion sign but it' s an exception to it. 1 Krauss: It's an exception to the motion sign and would require a permit. Olsen: I think we put that in the ordinance with the first bank. With II Chanhassen Bank. Conrad: Under temporary facility. Temporary facility. Has anybody from II Public Safety, we have a check list in here that they've gone through and it deals with fire and hydrants and stuff like that but it really didn' t talk about security. When a bank moves into town. Do we care? What is II public safety care about threats of situational deals with the bank? I didn't see anything in any report saying we' re concerned with a temporary facility so staff says we' re not concerned and it's governed by the governing forces that govern financial institutions and we don' t have any II specific cares about a temporary facility as a bank for security for theft and robbery? Nothing? Olsen: They do review it at their public safety meeting. They always boll' one on every Friday and they didn't point that out. Conrad : But it' s a standard checklist that' s associated in here. ' Olsen: That's specifically more with fire, that checklist but they do, th whole public safety department . Public Safety Director also reviews the plans. . Tom Mork: Excuse me. Are you specifically concerned about the impact thall burglary calls might have on local law enforcement agencies or our own security devices within the building itself? Conrad: Again, I 'm working with this word temporary. You know, have we I really thought out, are we applying the standards that, I don' t think we have any standards because nobody's told me about them for a bank moving into town, that are different than a grocery store moving into town. I 'm II just raising the question just to make sure that the staff is not treating this as a temporary facility. That it's a real bank moving into town and has the Public Safety Department given us their feedback on it and I didn' ll see it here so I don' t know that I have a concern with what you' re doing that's more. . . Tom Mork: I can assure you that we're under some pretty stringent requirements in terms of security and we wouldn't get a bond in compliance. Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 32 iConrad: I guess my only other comment is the time frame. I think everything else I 'm comfortable with. There's some adminstrative stuff but the time frame and I ' ll let somebody make a motion and I 'm not going to steer that motion but it seems like the applicant has 3 1/2 years to build this and I don' t know. It seems kind of loose. I think it' s good to have another bank in town. Sometimes when you hear us talk it seems real critical and anti new stuff but that' s certainly not the point. I think Chanhassen' s growing and consumers will benefit by that but I do have a problem with the time frame for building. I don' t have a solution for that. I think it should be in sync with what the HRA said yet my personal opinion is saying that I 'd really like to see that bank up in 2 years. Emmings: From? ' Conrad: Now. But I 'm looking for the negatives and I don' t know that we set a precedent. Who else is going to come in and ask for a temporary site ' and use this as, if you put a modular home or a mobile home in a neighborhood, the neighbors would be in here immediately. They wouldn' t allow it for a day. Well , in the business community, it may be a little bit different and this is more permanent in nature. That' s not a typical mobile home with wheels on it but, I'm looking for negatives to say we should put a definite 2 year limitation or something on it and I 'm not sure we set a precedent because I can' t think of another business that' s going to come in and ask for that. Batzli : You can' t do it that way because you can' t judge in the future what's going to come through the door . The question is, what would happen if another one did regardless of who it is that comes in and asks for it. We give it to them. Conrad : And based on tonight we'd have to give them 3 1/2 years to build the structure. Emmings: No you don' t. • Conrad: Why not? Emmings: Because . Just because 3 1/2 years seems appropriate for this applicant, you always get to consider the facts. You don' t have to automatically do this time what you did lats time if the facts are ' different. The next one isn't a bank. The next one doesn' t have problems with satisfying federal regulations. The next one, you know you can, believe me, be able to distinguish. The point to me here Ladd is this . We've dealt with this same issue on temporary conditional use permits . Anytime anybody says temporary, I want to know what the end is. Temporary means forever unless there' s a cap and I think we ought to, I think they should be accommodated because I think there should be a second bank in town too and I don' t want to discourage them but there' s got to be some reasonable limit out there beyond which they' re just got to take that temporary building off that property. Conrad: Do you see any other negatives? I • Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 33 1 Emmings: No. I Conrad: Having this less than attractive building . Were those your words? Emmings: A little stronger than that. Conrad: Is that a negative to the downtown community at all? Emmings: I don't know. Conrad: Is it a negative? I Headla: I think their temporary building looks very reasonable. If you look at the way it's constructed, it's appearance. They try to fit it in.' Conrad: Any other negatives with letting it be out there for 3 1/2 years? Emmings: At the longest. 1 Conrad: At the longest . Ellson: I see a precedence. The one next door will start putting up his I while he's building his. Batzli : This is going to be, I mean you don' t just put these up. I mean there's a cost involved. Ellson: I know but you could actually be, starting to make a lot of money with very little expense because you' re in a really small building. You'v saving up to do what you really want and Chanhassen is literally giving you that option to help you finance the building you always wanted in the firs place. We would never the let site plan come in with that modular building' and so you're basically saying we will take second rate for how long? Because it would never have been approved to be a building on it's own as it is so we' re automatically taking a major concession for the city. for th applicant's benefit. Conrad: Is it going to detract from neighboring property values right now Probably not. I don't know. I like a cap but I 'm looking for some real negatives that would say there' s a reason to put a different time frame on it and to be honest, I just can' t. As much as I don' t like temporary facilities, I don't know a good way to set a time frame and probably the II best is to tie into the HRA which I 'm not really convinced of but I don' t have a better . Tom Mork: I guess I 'd like to add one thing and that is, I don' t know wha ll you have in your minds as to what the economics of a modular building are but I can assure you that to acquire this building is about $120,000.00 building. We're looking at putting a minimum of $80,000.00 of improvement into the site just to get it, or at least that's our preliminary estimates, just to get the temporary site prepared so we're talking about a couple hundred thousand dollar outlay of capital so. Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 34 Ellson: Versus a 2 million dollar bank or something like that. I don' t know. Emmings: I 'd like to add something on another issue here. Batzli: Do we need a motion here? Conrad: Not yet. Emmings: I wanted to address the sign. I do not agree that you can have a time and temperature sign without a permit. Headla: They agree with you. Emmings: Oh, I'm sorry. Did I hear wrong? I thought you said that they didn' t need to have a permit. ' Olsen: Right . That's where it had come out wrong . It was under the prohibited signs as an exception and I meant that, to put it in that it didn' t need a permit but it does still need a permit. Emmings: Okay, fine. Conrad: Any other discussion on the length that we' re talking about? If not, I ' ll ask for a motion. Are you going to make a motion? Tom Mork: On the approval of the addition to the building . We' re talking about a 4,000, potential 4,000 square foot addition here that would be in snyc architecturally with the rest of the building . Do you view that in the same light as you do with the previous applicant? That it' s something you wanted to look at into the future? I guess I 'd just like clarification. 1 Ellson: That we're not approving that right now. Is that what you mean? Batzli: We would want to see it again because it may have an affect on impervious surface coverage and some other things. Conrad: What would trigger that Jo Ann? Just automatically on the building extension or addition, anything triggering that to come back to us other than the fact that we said we would want it to come back? Olsen: If they hadn' t shown the addition at all , even to us and then had ' come in and wanted to do it, we would make them go through the site plan review. Conrad : But now they have said that there might be one and basically, because they did, it would be kind of up to your discretion as to whether . If it met all the ordinances, you really don' t need to bring it back to us. ' Olsen: In the calculations I thought they had included, they did include the addition so that's why we were saying that we would feel comfortable I Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Pag 35 ' with allowing the addition without coming back for the site plan. I Conrad: I don't know that we want to see it but I think Brian's point is, we have not approved it and therefore it' s going to be a staff decision on whether to bring it back to us in the future. I David Shea : That's fine. We' re working on the idea that the hard surface coverage and work with staff to make sure we get a master plan for this II site and it'd be up to staff' s discretion to bring it back. Conrad: Is there a motion? Batzli : I move that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Site Plan Review #89-6 for Crossroads National Bank as shown on the plan dated September 22, 1989 subject to the following conditions. Conditions 1 thrum 5. Delete 6. Condition 7 with the following added at the end, notwithstanding the foregoing , such temporary facility shall be removed within 9 months of the issuance of the building permit for the permanent bank facility. Conditions 8, 9, 10, 11 as written in the staff report. Delete 12 and a new 13. Future addition designated on the plans are not part of the site plan approval . Emmings: Second . Batzli moved, Emmings seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Site Plan Review #89-6 for Crossroads National Bank as shown on the plan dated September 22, 1989 and subject to the following conditions:II 1. The property shall be platted and recorded with Carver County. 2. The City shall process a rezoning of the property as part of the platting procedure. 3. The site plan shall be revised to include a right turn deceleration lane on Market Boulevard and a 6 foot wide concrete sidewalk on. the east side of Market Boulevard. The site plan shall be revised to reflect additional right-of-way necessary for the deceleration lane an sidewalk and to maintain required setbacks. 4. The applicant shall provide cross easements for the joint access on West 79th Street. ' 5. The applicant shall provide revised landscaping plan providing necessary landscpaing on the berm between the parking area and West 79th Street . 6. The temporary facility will have to be removed within one week of the permanent bank facility receiving a certificate of occupancy, notwithstanding the foregoing, such temporary facility shall be remove within 9 months of the issuance of the building permit for the permanent bank facility. I ' Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 36 I 7. The applicant shall comply with any and all Watershed District requirements. 8. The City will monitor the site for erosion control problems and if deemed necessary, additional erosion control may be required in the future. 9. Exact storm sewer connections and design shall be verified in the field and approved by the City's Engineering Department prior to construction. 10. The exit on West 79th Street shall be moved a minimum of 100 feet from the West 79th Street/Market Boulevard intersection. ' 11. Future addition designated on the plans are not part of the site plan approval . All voted in favor except Annette Ellson who opposed and the motion carried with a vote of 5 to 1. ' Conrad: And your reason? Ellson: I guess I 'd like to see if they can begin building in May, I 'd ' like to see it start in May to be built. I don't think we' re getting that sort of guarantee . Conrad: Okay, that goes to City Council October 23rd. Krauss: Mr . Chairman, we had indicated with the applicant that we would attempt to work with them on getting that facility. If you approved it tonight, getting that facility up yet this year. Consequently we were going to try and take it to the City Council next Monday. ' Conrad: Ah. Next Monday? Okay. Paul , just a quick point. When they put that temporary facility up, the site has been approved. The .landscaping is in. The curb cuts are in. Obviously sewer, water , everything is there. The only difference is, we don' t have the building but everything else is 1 in. You will not let them go in until . . . Krauss: What we would have is we would have the modular building up. There would be pavement around that modular building. There'd be landscaping around that but the rest of the site would be graded, presumably graded flat and seeded and just left undisturbed. The rest of the site is where they're going to be building so there' s really no way to be planting around there. Olsen: Or put the curb and gutter in. Conrad: So we have a temporary landscaping plan? Krauss: Well actually, the way they have it situated, it' s a permanent landscaping plan. The building fit in there so they could put in the I . 1 Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 37 permanent landscaping and curbing around it. ' Conrad: Don, why don't you tackle that when you, you've heard what we' re talked about tonight. ' Olsen: They can also do some of the perimeter landscaping too. Mayor Chmiel : Did you say it' s going to be on the 9th? 1 Krauss: We talked to Karen about it yesterday. 11 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Batzli moved, Emmings seconded to approve the Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated September 20, 1989 up to page 40.' All voted in favor and the motion carried. CITY COUNCIL UPDATE: I Conrad : Paul , do you want to lead us through on that? Do you want to go through your particular minutes or notes to us? ' Krauss: Yes Mr . Chairman. I don' t know if there' s anything specifically that warrants any discussion except for possibly the Vineland Forest status . As I indicated , the Vineland Forest plat went to the Council several times for consideration since you saw it. We tried to clarify the road access issue. After reviewing the alternatives, the Council ultimately settled on an alternative option for access that was developed II by staff that ran from the southeast Nez Perce, Lake Lucy Road to the northwest over to Peaceful Lane up to Pleasant View as the optimum way. It's not an ideal way but the optimum way that 's remaining to us to serve I the entire area. The applicant was then directed to prepare a plat in consideration of that alignment. That was brought to the Council and there were some other issues that cropped up resulting from engineering details with how that access is going to be made. We think that their resolveablel Their engineer is getting some more topographic data and we're talking to different property owners that would be impacted so we expect to go back to the Council with that. One thing though that warrants pointing out though" is in reviewing this I came up with a couple of potential problems or at least issues of concern with the way the ordinance is structured. There were two factors that probably warrant some consideration on your part and some work on my part to see if we can resolve them. One is that the , ordinance allows for reduction of front yard lot width or lot width at right-of-way on cul-de-sacs and it's not specific as to where on cul-de-sacs and how you apply that. In working with Jo Ann, it's apparent/ that the City in the past has allowed reductions of lot width on outside curves as well whether or not they're on cul-de-sacs. I think it's a worthy thing to do. If you have the straight 90 foot frontage everyplace," you wind up with a grid system and that' s just not how the City' s developed. I think what we need to look at though is some flexibility in the lot width standard to account for that so we clear up the anomaly in the ordinance and don't have a variance situation. Related to that is there was another variance that was created for a lack of frontage at 1 . Planning Commission Meeting October 4, 1989 - Page 38 right-of-way for a neck lot. The lot had 30 foot of frontage on Pleasant View. Because of how we aligned the road, there was a sufficient area stranded between the new street being proposed in Van Eeckhout' s division and Pleasant View. There was sufficient area for 3 lots but it didn' t have frontage. They were proposing to use a neck lot configuration that only had 30 feet of right-of-way on Pleasant View. The subdivision ordinance says that' s fine. The subdivision ordinance says you can have up to 4 homes on a private driveway. The RSF district doesn't say you can have any. It says you need 90 foot of frontage for every lot. You can' t have it both ways and what I 'd like to bring back to you is a proposal to look at some sort of proposal for some sort of neck lot configuration or some standards that we might use if we're going to use private drives to access properties that couldn' t otherwise be accessed by a public street. Those ' are the two issues that I think evolved out of the Van Eeckhout decision that really warrants some further investigation on your part. ' Conrad: Sounds reasonable. My only reaction is sometimes when we, and I think we should and we should put it onto this list that we have of all the projects that are out there so we can make sure it's someplace. The only comment I have quickly on that is sometimes when we do these things it' s, we're assisting a developer to squeeze out the maximum amount of lots out of a piece of property. In general I think I support some of what you' re talking about but my only concern would be, I 'm really not too interested in letting the developer really manipulate that land to the point where he's just squeezed every possible square inch into a building so that would be my only comment but let' s add it to the list and address it. That' s another thing we should do Paul , as we build up that list and I don't know where it is right now or I 've got a copy of an older one. We should sort of prioritize those for you so we've got you working on the things we really care about or you should persuade us that it' s a significant issue that you should work on before other items. Is staff satisfied with Van Eeckhout because we had problems with it. It seemed like a simple deal when it first came in. Are you satisfied that it's being solved adequately? Krauss : Pending resolution of the techincal aspects of making the • connection, I think we are satisfied. We looked at all the options for ' serving that property. I mean we really expanded the study area and did an overall access concept plan and there's about 6 ways of serving it. Some of them are really. . . ' Olsen: Two cul-de-sacs . Krauss : Well , yeah the one with two cul-de-sacs. There's the one to the east that runs into a 20 foot retaining wall at the bottom of a 70 foot bluff and obviously that had some problems but we really tried to develop a plan that served all the remaining vacant land there in a reasonable way and then provided some cross access through the neighborhood for public safety reasons. Like I say, it's not the ideal way. If all the property was vacant right now you'd probably do it a little differently but given the remaining options, it's the best. 1 1 1 1 1 1 I 1 I 1 1 I I 1 1 1 1 1