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PC DATE: 05/17/00
CC DATE: 06/12/00
REVIEW DEADLINE: 6/12/00
CASE #: SUB 00-1
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STAFF REPORT
PROPOSAL:
A preliminary plat request to subdivide 13.41 acres into 19 single-family lots and
2 outlots
LOCATION:
East of TH lO I and north of Mission Hills
APPLICANT:
MSS Holdings, LLC
8905 Cove Point Road
Eden Prairie, MN 55347
(934-0750)
Andrew and Linda Freseth
Attorney: Bruce Hanson
(607-7593)
PRESENT ZONING: RSF, Single Family Residential
2020 LAND USE PLAN: Residential, Low Density
ACREAGE: 13.4l
DENSITY: 2.;!3 units per acre-net, 1.4 units per acre-gross
SUMMARY OF REQUEST: The applicant would like to subdivide the property and construct single
family homes on the site. The project complies with the zoning ordinance and comprehensive plan.
The development will be accessed via the extension of Mission Hills Lane and, in the future, TH lOJ.
Notice of this public hearing has been mailed to all property owners within 500 feet.
LEVEL OF CITY DISCRETION IN DECISION-MAKING: The City's discretion in approving or
denying a preliminary plat is limited to whether or not the proposed plat meets the standards outlined
in the Subdivision Regulations and Zoning Ordinance. If it meets these standards, the City must
approve the preliminary plat. This is a quasi judicial decision.
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PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE
On May 17,2000, the Planning Commission held a public hearing and unanimously approved
the preliminary plat request. During the discussion of the item, the Commission expressed
concerns about flag lots (i.e., orientation of the home), how lot depth is measured and the
adequacy of the proposed stormwater pond. Flag lots are permitted by ordinance. The
positioning of the home on the lot cannot really be specified so long as the setbacks and other
relevant requirements are met. Table 1 of this report displays each lot area and average width
and depth. Staff averages the lot depth for those that are irregularly shaped.
Since the Planning Commission meeting, the preliminary plat has been revised resulting in the
elimination of the private street and extension of the cul-de-sac. The change involves extending
the cuI-de sac and rearranging the lot configuration around it. The difference between the two
plans appears minimal. The advantage is less grading, saving a few trees at the rear of Lots 5
and 6, Block 2, less utility infrastructure and minimizing impacts to neighboring properties to
the east with the private drive. The major impact is the pond on Block 2. The plans have been
revised to reflect the ponding necessary to meet the city's storm ponding requirements. This
involves additional mature tree loss from the previous plan as staff envisioned. There still is an
issue with conveying storm water runoff from the intersection of future TH 101 and Mission
Hills Lane. The plans fail to provide storm water treatment of the runoff from this
intersection. The plans still need to visit this issue. Staff believes that the runoff can still be
routed to the proposed pond; however, the applicant has not demonstrated it to the city. The
revised plans have not been thoroughly reviewed by the engineering staff to determine if there
are any other issues. We reserve the right to add further comments and recommendations
prior to final plat considerations.
Overall the revised plans with the out the private driveway appears acceptable and preferred
over the private drive scenario. Staff will apply any further conditions at time of final plat
consideration
This report has been updated. All new information is in bold and all outdated information has
been struck-through.
PROPOSAL/SUMMARY
The applicant is proposing to subdivide 13.41 acres into 19 single family lots and 2 outlots. The
property is zoned RSF, Single Family Residential and the land use plan guides this site residential, low
density (J.2-4 units per acre).
The site is located east ofTH lOl, south of Villages on the Ponds, north of Mission Hills and west of
Rice Lake Manor. Access will be gained via the extension of Mission Hills Lane and, in the future, TH
101. The development will allow the Mission Hills development to have an additional access to TH
lOl, when it is upgraded.
The applicant has submitted a revised proposal that addresses many ofthe concerns the planning
staff expressed in the previous report. All the new proposed lots meet the minimum RSF zoning
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requirement.s. ~~:' :;;: ~~e let5 àe aet.meet minim.um ,....i~ FeE¡liiremeRt5.. 8taff is .
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mHH!ßIIffi let wiàths. The average lot area is 19,121 sq. ft. and the net density is 2.3 units per acre.
All lot areas, width and depths have changed from the preliminary plat reviewed by the Planning
Commission. The private drive has been eliminated and replaced with a cul-de-sac. This public
road extension and enlarged stormwater pond result in the loss of numerous mature oak trees.
The property has two natural features, numerous significant trees and Rice Marsh Lake, a natural
environment lake. The applicant proposes to preserve ;6-31 percent or 4.-H 3.53 acres of the existing
tree canopy. The amount of canopy removed exceeds the amount permitted by ordinance
therefore additional plantings are required. The applicant has proposed to plant 19 trees,
when 24 are required. An additional 5 trees must be added to the planting plan. Hewever, after
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three f!lants are sf!eeiHeà. The tree preservation shown on Lots 6-8, Block 1 appears to be
questionable since the trees are extremely close to the proposed house pad. Staff is
recommending the preservation plan be revised to take into consideration this comment.
Rice Marsh Lake is located on the northeastern portion of the site. The shoreland ordinance requires
a 150 foot structure setback from the ordinary high water level. Outlot B extends over the water and
the 75 foot lakeshore buffer. a small f!ertieR efthe IIjJlaael area. StaiTis reeemmeReliflg tile eHtlet ee
~mteßdeà t8 the 75 feet 19affer frem the eràiøary kigfi·sater ley;el.
The grading plan indicates that the rolling features of the site will generally be maintained.
Stormwater runoff is to be conveyed via storm sewer systems into an existing pond, which is to be
expanded to accommodate this development. However, based upon proposed grades at the west end
of Mission Hills Lane, the proposed storm sewer will be too low to drain into the existing pond.
Therefore, the applicant may need an additional pond on the northwest portion of the site, which may
result in a loss of one of the lots.
The City's comprehensive trail plan identifies a trail within this proposed development. This trail
segment connects Marsh Glen to the Rice Marsh Lake/Lake Susan trail. A trail easement will be
required between two of the lots to the proposed trail around Rice Marsh Lake. Further, the sidewalk
on the east side of Mission Hills Lane is proposed to be extended to Outlot A, the right-of-way for
future TH 10 J.
Staff recommends approval of the preliminary plat with the conditions outlined in this report.
BACKGROUND
In January 2000, the Planning Commission held a public hearing and approved the request for a land use
plan amendment, a rezoning and preliminary plat to subdivide this site into 32 lots for detached town
homes and twinhomes. The City Council tabled this proposal on February 14,2000 so the developer
could address the concerns of adjacent property owners. On March 13,2000, the City Council tabled
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the proposal for 60 days so the applicant could redesign the plat to provide more transition between
Mission Hills and the proposal. In response to the concerns that took place at the City Council
meetings, the applicant changed the proposal to a traditional single family development. Since the
project has changed significantly, staff believed the Planning Commission should review the new
proposal. Hence, staff recommended that the City Council remand the single-family development
proposal to the Planning Commission for review. The City Council did so on March 27, 2000. The
applicant has given a 60 day extension to expire May 22, 2000. Since the item is scheduled for the June
12,2000 City Council meeting, another extension has been granted until this date.
ANALYSIS
PRELIMINARY PLAT
The applicant is requesting a preliminary plat to subdivide 13. 41 acres into 19 lots for single family
homes and 2 outlots. Outlot A extends over the right-of-way for future TH WI and Outlot B extends
over Rice Marsh Lake and the future trail. This site is zoned RSF, Single Family Residential and guided
residential low density (J.2-4 units per acre). The development is consistent with the comprehensive
plan.
The minimum requirements for properties zoned RSF are as follows: 15,000 sq. ft. for area, 90 feet for
width and 125 feet for depth. As proposed, all lots meet the minimum lot area, width and depth
requirements and have been revised since the Planning Commission reviewed the request. The
average lot area is 20,356 19,121 sq. ft. The gross density is 1.4 units per acre and the net density is 2.;!
3 units per acre. The site is 13.4l acres however, only 8.64 acres are available for development after the
outlots and right-of-way are deleted.
The following table depicts the area, average width and depth and applicable wetland or lakeshore
setbacks for each lot. The properties will have to maintain the required 30 foot ITont yard setback, 30
foot rear yard setback and 10 foot side yard setbacks as required by ordinance.
Table I
COMPLIANCE TABLE
Legal Proposed Lot Width in feet Depth in Wetland Lakeshore
Description Area in sq. ft. (average) feet Setback Setback
(avera2e)
RSF District 15,000 90* 125
Requirements
Block I
Lot I 19,002 -lW ;wg 40'+lO'
21,051 110 201 buffer
Lot 2 23,351 +00 W 40'+lO'
21,335 93 238 buffer
Lot 3 31,230 m ~ 40'+10'
24,774 99 265 buffer
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Lot 4 28,728 +Hi ~ 40'+10' 150'
29,946 141 238 buffer
Lot 5 21,847 9é m 150'
19.426 108 185
Lot 6 19,152 9& +9& 150'
15,674 104 151
Lot 7 18,286 é! l84 150'
15,209 73 (120 @ 30' 141
setback)
Lot 8 21,121 % m 150'
19,731 100· 174
Block 2
Lot I 15,028 m ill
15.000 109 138
Lot 2 17,086 H+ .¡.Q
15,830 104 160
Lot 3 22,730 H4 m
21,612 109 W)
Lot 4 20,816 Hé +94-
28,429 110 ~ I·
Lot 5 15,351 .l@ M9
16,652 91 212
Lot 6 18,758 ~ m
20,589 120 224
Lot 7 17,720 H4 ~
16,645 98 156
Lot 8 22,lá8 ~ m
15,172 63 (100 @ 30' 214
setback)
Lot 9 lá,715 +00 .µ()
15,000 111 157
Lot 10 lá,!J12 W ffi
15,000 104 143
Lot II 18,610 ill m
16,228 125 177
Average 20,35á
19,121
*The minimum width for a flag lot is 100 feet.
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Outlot B extends over a portion of Rice Marsh Lake, a future trail and the 75 foot lakeshore buffer, as
recommended by staff. The zeRiRg eFdil1!lRee àefiRes a riparian let as any tat wit.~i¡¡ 73 ftet ~/the
er-dinary high H'..w£r k~;2! e/' sla.'œ, pend 81" H'st/and. Lots 1 &, Bleek 1 meet this àøf.initiea, aev:ever,
they àe aet meet the millimwH area re~uireà by the sheælßfld eFdiRanee. The sherelaad eràiRanee
r.eEluires 49,Q09 SEl· ft. ef afea and 125 feet efwiàtH ea aatufal eR'¡irenmeot lakes. 8taff reees:::
that Outlet B be e¡l{eaàeà te 75 feet Hem the eFdiRary high water le':el efthe lake, whish is g';~'ft
the 75 feet bHffer eR the prelimiaary plat. Thea Lets 4 8, Bleek y.ill have te maiRtaiR l5,09 " and
90 feet ef wiàth as re¡¡lIired by the sherelaad eFdiRlll1ee. The ealargemeot ef the This outlot will ensure
that the 75 foot buffer is protected ITom degradation and encroachment, since the zoning ordinance
prohibits structures ITom being constructed on outlots so this will remain open space. The only access to
Rice Marsh Lake will be through the proposed trail between Lots 3 and 4, Block I. The future
structures on Lots 4-8, Block I must maintain the 150 foot setback ITom the ordinary high water level of
Rice Marsh Lake, which is 877.0. Staff is recommending that a conservation easement be extended
over the portion of Lots 4-8, Block 1 that is within the lakeshore setback.
An ag/urban wetland is located to the west of Rice Marsh Lake and north Lots 1-4, Block. The zoning
ordinance requires a 40 foot setback and 10 foot average buffer. Staff is recommending a
conservation easement be extended over the required setback and buffer.
Private Driveway
The preliminary plat has been revised thus eliminating the private drive proposed in the previous
proposal.
The prepesed plat iRàieates that Lets Ii 7, Bleek 2 will have aeeess via a private driveway Hi3m Missien
Hills Ceurt. The miaimllffi driv6·,vilj· easemeRt shall be 39 feet ia ...lidth.
SeetieR 18 57 (e) states that private streets may be permitteà if the fullÐ'::iRg eeaàitieRs e¡¡ist:
I. The pre'"lliliag develepmeat pattere makes it ill!feasible er iRappreprillte te eeastruot a
pubHe street. Ia makiag this àetermiRatieR the eit)' may eeRsider the !eeatieR ef e¡¡i5tiag
prepefty liaes anà hemes, leeal er geegFapme eeRàitieRs ßfld the e¡dsteRee ef wetlands.
2. f.fter re'lfevliRg the SHffi3H11diag area, it is eeaeludeà that aa e)[teRsieR ef the puelie
street system.s is net r~qHireà to selTe other 13areels iß the area, im13reye aeeess, Sf to
previde a street system eeRsisteot ':ith the eeH!j3reheRsÎ':e plaa.
3. The use ef a pri·¡ate street '.vill permit efllianeed preteetiea ef the City's aatuFal resellrees
illel¡¡àiag wetlanàs and ferested areas.
FiRdiftg: The uoe ef a private street is justified eeeallse the pre'lailiag develel'meRt patteres and
prel'erty Haes malce it iRfeasiele te eeastruet a poolie street. FlJFthcr, a poolie str.eet '.vill aet serve ether
par€els ia the area elltsièe ef tllis àevelepmeot. The pri·:ate àriye ....ill alse pri3teet e¡dstiag matare trees
ia the ar.ea. f. poolie street may ereate àeuele Hi3Rtage lets fer these iR the MissieR Hills àevelepmeRt.
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GRADING
The site characteristics are rolling in nature with wetlands and dense woodland areas over the
northerly portion of the site. Mature oak and maple trees are scattered throughout the westerly and
southerly portions of the site. The property also contains an existing homestead and bam, which will
need to be razed. The bam was used as a horse training facility in the past. As a result of this use, an
extremely large amount of manure was deposited behind the bam area. The developer is proposing to
remove and dispose of the manure off site.
The plans propose mass grading a majority of the site to prepare the streets, lots, house pads, and
stormwater ponds. The proposed grading plan will generally maintain the rolling features of the site,
as it exists today. Outlot A which is proposed to be future Trunk Highway 101 right-of-way also
contains a number of larger oak and maple trees. This outlot is not proposed to be graded at this time
except for utility extension and a temporary cul-de-sac. In the future when Trunk Highway 101 is
upgraded, the road will be shifted easterly within Outlot A and the property leveled off. The grades
offuture Trunk Highway 101 will be significantly lower which will result in removal of the trees in
Outlot A. The proposed centerline grade of Trunk Highway 101 and Mission Hills Lane is
approximately 890.0±. The westerly end of Mission Hills Lane is proposed at 894.0 and therefore
will need to be lowered approximately three feet to match future Trunk Highway 101.
An existing stormwater pond located in the southwest corner of the site that pretreats stormwater
runoff from the Mission Hills development is to be expanded and utilized to accommodate drainage
from the entire development. The grading plan needs to incorporate an emergency overflow from the
pond along Outlot A to Mission Hi.lls Lane.
No berming is proposed nor is it feasible along Trunk Highway 101 due to the grade difference and
recommended overflow swale from the pond. Screening/noise abatement should be accomplished
through the use of landscaping.
The proposed building pads blend fairly well with existing topography to maintain the site's
characteristics. The building sites range in elevation from 888 to 914. The building units on Lots 1-
8, Block I are located in the most environmentally sensitive area of the site. Staff is recommending
. that Lots 6-8, Block 1 be custom graded at time of building to minimize grading and tree loss. A
detailed grading, drainage, erosion control and tree removal plan shall be submitted to the City for
review and approval prior to issuance of a building permit for Lots 6-8, Block I. The home styles
throughout the development vary between walkouts, ramblers and lookout-type dwellings. On Lots
2-5, Block 2, the lowest floor elevation of the dwelling must be raised to be two feet above the high
water level ofthe pond (up to 902.0). The dwelling type on these lots appears to be restricted to a
slab-on-grade rambler or split entry-type dwelling unless the proposed grades in the area are raised
significantly (four to six feet).
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DRAINAGE
For the most part, the site sheet drains in a north-northeasterly direction towards Rice Marsh Lake or
the adjacent wetland body. Based on the grading plan, the adjacent neighborhood drainage patterns
will be maintained with the proposed development. Stormwater runoff is proposed to be conveyed
via storm sewer systems into the existing stormwater holding pond located in the southwest corner of
the site for pretreatment prior to discharging off site. The existing pond is to be expanded to
accommodate this site development. The plans need to incorporate an emergency overflow swale
from the existing pond along the rear yards of Lots 1-3, Block 2 to Mission Hills Lane. Based on
proposed street grades at the west end of Mission Hills Lane, the proposed storm sewer will be too
low to drain into the existing pond. The applicant will most likely need another pond somewhere in
the northwest corner of the site. This may result in the loss of a lot.
All pond designs shall conform to NURP standards. The side slopes shall be 4:1 or 3:1 with a 10:1
bench for the first one foot depth of water. The plans have the pond inlet and outlot discharge points
to close together to provide valuable water quality treatment. The outlet/inlet pipe shall be separated
at least 50 feet apart. If another pond is created in the northwest corner of the site to address the
project's storm runoff, then the proposed outlet pipe from the existing pond could be eliminated.
The development's storm sewer system shall be designed for a lO-year, 24-hour storm event. Ponding
calculations including pre- and post-development runoff conditions for a 10-year and 100-year, 24-
hour storm event will need to be submitted to city staff for review and approval. Drainage and utility
easements will need to be dedicated on the final plat over the public storm drainage system including
ponds and wetlands up to the 100-year flood level. The minimum easement width shall be 20 feet
wide. Maintenance access shall also be a consideration in the easement width/location.
EROSION CONTROL
The grading plan proposes Type I erosion control fence along the perimeter of the downstream
grading limits. Tree preservation fencing will need to be denoted on the final grading and drainage
plan. A rock construction entrance will also need to be required at entrance points to the site.
Watershed District and NPDES permits will also be required in conjunction with this development.
UTILITIES
Municipal sewer and water service is available to the site. Sanitary sewer service is available from
along Trunk Highway 101 or by Rice Marsh Lake. The plans propose on extending water and sewer
service from the existing lines along Trunk Highway lOl through Outlot A and the City's property to
serve the site. The water line will also be connected at the current terminus in Mission Hills Lane.
This will provide a looped system and improve water service to the existing neighborhood in Mission
Hills.
The construction plans shall be prepared in accordance with the City's latest edition of Standard
Specifications and Detail Plates. The plans shall be submitted a minimum of three weeks prior to
final plat consideration for staff review and formal City Council approval. The developer will be
required to enter into a development contract with the City and provide a financial security in the
form of a letter of credit or cash escrow to guarantee installation of the public improvements and
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conditions of final plat approval. Drainage and utility easements shall be dedicated to the City over
the public lines outside of the right-of-way on the final plat. Depending on the depth of the utilities,
the minimum drainage and utility easement width shall be 20 feet wide.
The existing farmhouse is connected to city sewer. However, water service has not been extended.
There is an existing well located behind the farmhouse that will need to be abandoned in accordance
with State health codes. The sewer line will also have to be disconnected in accordance with City
policy.
The property was previously assessed for trunk sewer and water hook up charges in conjunction with
the Lake Riley Boulevard Trunk Improvement Project No. 93-26A, however, only one ofthe 19
hookup assessments was levied; the remaining 18 were deferred. Since the applicant is creating more
lots than was previously assessed, those lots will also be subject to city sanitary sewer and water hook
up charges at time of building permit issuance. The 2000 trunk utility hook up charges are $1,300 per
unit for sanitary sewer and $1,694 per unit for watermain.
STREETS
The applicant is proposing a combination of public and private street systems. The plans propose to
extend Mission Hills Lane from its current terminus to Outlot A (future Trunk Highway 101). At this
time, there will not be a street connection to existing Trunk Highway lOl due to inadequate sight
lines and impacts to the City's property which lies between Outlot A and existing Trunk Highway
10J. Mission Hills Lane will be connected when Trunk Highway 101 is upgraded. Staff believes the
current timeframe for the extension and upgrade of Trunk Highway 101 is approximately five to
seven years. Until Trunk Highway lOl is upgraded and the street connection made, access to this
development will be limited to existing Mission Hills Lane and West 86th Street. In conjunction with
the Mission Hills development, West 86th Street was designed and constructed to act as a
neighborhood collector street (36 feet wide). The additional trips generated from this project will not
adversely impact traffic through the Mission Hills neighborhoods. It is estimated the increased traffic
volumes on Mission Hills Lane and West 86th Street will be approximately 200 vehicle trips per day
once the site has been fully developed.
The preliminary plat proposes a 60-foot wide right-of-way for the street extension (Mission Hills
Lane) along with a private street at the end of the cul-de-sac to serve two lots. A cross-access
easement and maintenance agreement will need to be prepared and recorded by the developer over the
lots which access the private street. The minimum driveway easement width shall be 30 feet wide. In
addition, drainage and utility easements shall encompass the proposed utilities along the private
street.
Currently, on Mission Hills Lane, a 5-foot wide concrete sidewalk has been constructed along the
easterly side of the street. A 5-foot wide sidewalk is to be extended through the development down to
Outlot A on the north side of Mission Hills Lane. The plans do not propose a trail connection from
Mission Hills Lane down to and along Rice Marsh Lake. There is a proposed trail system around
Rice Marsh Lake that will eventually provide access to the trail system just south of Villages on the
Ponds development north of this project. Staff believes there should be a trail connection down to the
trail at Rice Marsh Lake from Mission Hills Lane between Lots 4 and 5 or 5 and 6, Block I.
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The extension of Mission Hills Lane to the development may require the relocation of an existing fire
hydrant and catch basins. The applicant shall be responsible for the relocation of existing utilities and
street improvements in conjunction with the extension of Mission Hills Lane. An existing wood
fence is located within the City's right-of-way by the property owner on Lot 9 (Mission Hills Court)
that will need to be removed from the City's right-of-way to avoid impacts from the extension of
Mission Hills Lane.
WETLANDS
The northern border of this property is Rice Marsh Lake, which has been classified as a natural
environment lake by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. The natural environment
classification is due to the large areas of shoreline that have not been influenced by development.
Rice Marsh Lake has a large amount of emergent vegetation that discourages traditional recreational
activities such as boating, swimming or fishing. Because of this classification, a 150 ft. building
setback from the OHW (ordinary high water level) is required.
The original proposal indicated that there are two ag/urban wetlands located on the site. This plan
only indicates one. However, staff will address both wetlands in this report.
The first is a small ditch section approximately 2,500 sq. ft. located in the west-central portion of the
site. This area appears to be part of a larger drainage swale that once drained runoff through the site.
The water runoff has been interrupted by the storm water pond built with the Mission Hills
development to the south. There is no existing buffer along this wetland. The wetland edge is
defined by an existing horse run, fill and a driveway. This is a low quality wetland dominated by
cattails, willow herb and reed canary grass. The original application indicated that this wetland would
be filled entirely and mitigated on site.
The second ag/urban wetland is located on the northwest edge of the property and is adjacent to Rice
Marsh Lake. This wetland is slightly higher in elevation than the lake and there is an upland area at
ih edge, which separates it from the lake. This wetland is an emergent marsh dominated by reed
canary grass and cattails, with an impressive buffer of dense woodland consisting of oaks, maples and
willows. The original plan for Marsh Glen proposed to expand the wetland edge to mitigate for the
filling of the smaller, lower quality wetland. However, due to the quality of this wetland, staff is
recommending that the City permit the applicant to use the WCA (Wetland Conservation Act) de
minimis exemption, and allow the filling of2,000 sq. ft. oflower quality wetland without
replacement. This recommendation is in an effort to minimize the grading and disturbance of the
northern, higher quality wetland.
The applicant will be required to re-seed any disturbed wetland areas with MnDOT seed mix 25 A, or
a similar seed mix that is approved for wetland soil conditions. The wetland buffer area should be
surveyed and staked in accordance with the City's wetland ordinance. In addition, the applicant will be
required to provide a vegetative barrier to define the buffer edge. The applicant will install wetland
buffer edge signs, under the direction of City staff, before construction begins and will pay the City $20
per sign.
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Conservation Easement
Staff is recommending that a conservation easement be extended over the area shown on the plat
as the "Drainage and Utility Easement" outside of the delineated wetland boundary on Lots 1-4,
Block 1, with the exception of the 20 foot trail easement. This is essentially the 40 foot setback
and 10 foot buffer required by the wetland ordinance.
SURFACE WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN (SWMP)
Water Oualitv Fees
The water quality fees for this proposed development would be based on single family development
rates at $800.00/acre. Based on the proposed developed area of 10.06 acres, the water quality fees
associated with this project would be $8,048.00.
The applicant will be credited water quality/quantity fees where they provide NURP basins to treat
runoff from this site. This will be detennined upon review of the ponding and stonn sewer calculations
with final plat consideration. Credits may also be applied to the applicant's SWMP fees for oversizing
in accordance with the SWMP. Outlots and wetlands/mitigation are not assessed SWMP fees. No
credit will be given for temporary pond areas.
Water Ouantitv Fees
The SWMP has established a connection charge for the different land uses based on an average city-
wide rate for the installation of water quantity systems. This cost includes land acquisition, proposed
SWMP culverts, open channels, and stonn water ponding areas for runoff storage. Low Density
developments have a connection charge of$I,980 per developable acre. Based on the proposed
developed area of 10.06 acres, the applicant will be responsible for a $19,918.80 water quantity
connection fee. These fees will be due payable to the City at time of final plat recording.
IANDSCAPING/TREE PRESERV AnON
The tree canopy coverage and preservation calculations submitted for the Marsh Glen development
are as follows:
Total upland area (including outlots)
Baseline canopy coverage
Minimum canopy coverage allowed
Proposed tree preservation
11.5 ac.
54% or 6.16 ac.
35% or 4.02 ac.
36% er 1.11 00. 31% or 3.53 ac.
The proposed landscaping plan does not meet minimum canopy coverage required; therefore
the disparity is multiplied by 1.2 to calculate the required replacement plantings.
Difference in canopy coverage
Multiplier
Total replacement
21,344 SF or .49 ac.
1.2
25,613 SF
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June 7, 2000
Page 12
Total number oftrees to be planted
24 trees
The landscape plan indicates that 19 trees are to be planted. An additional 5 trees must be
added to the planting plan to meet ordinance requirements. These trees will not be included as
part of any buffer planting,
All replacements must meet minimum size requirements.
The J3roJ3esal meets the miRimllm eaRoJY eevemge alle·md. He'l:e'ier, after review efthe ~::~~
plans staff Be1iø~les tkese ealsalatisf1s are s·:ør estimated. Þ.fany sf tae fJrepeseà trees t8 ee" e
iR loeæieRs that willl3e ~i~Rifiean~ly altereà for the eeR~traetieR ef reaà.s and ho.mes. . ~s;::~ ~:':~:e
the trees are 1 feet Belew 1ft elevatlen, er greater thlHl the 13£OJeseà gradlftg that IS taln .'dt
10 f-eet, are eSfl1ffi8B and s}:¡eulà net he ee1:lflteà as 13reserv-ation. Large trees are l3artieularly
sllseefltiBle te eeRstFlletieR dama~e aRà thei~ resilieaee eamet Be everestima~ed. Staff ~e;~~a:::s
that the eaneJ3Y eeverage ealelllatleRs Be reVlseà te aeellrately Felleet the realIty of gradlR ea
tree loss.
Staff believes that proposed tree removal on Lots 6 - 8, Block 1 are underestimated. Tree
removal limits are shown within 5 feet of the proposed building pad. This misrepresentation
does have an impact on the total canopy coverage albeit a minor one. Staff would like to see the
tree removal areas revised to a minimum of 15 feet from the building pad for these lots and the
additional removal measurements be added to the overall canopy coverage calculations.
Staff is recommending that a conservation easement be extended over the area shown as the
"Drainage and Utility Easement" on Lots 4-8, Block 1, with the exception ofthe 20 foot trail
easement. This area is within the 150 foot setback required from the ordinary high water level of
the lake.
Additieaally, the flreflosed landseßfJe filaR shev:s IHI e)ctremely limited IIse of 13laRt materials. ORe
speeies eE àeeiàu8Hs tree, eRe sf 0":ergFeea and eRe tYf>e of Sh.ï.iB is the tet81 sitAe IanàseB:j3e plant
sehedule. MeaeellltlH'es are aeither attraetive aor a wise deeisiea as the flast Dllteh elm disease
epidemie has demeRstrated. Staff reeommeRds that the ßfJ131ieaRt revise the 13laRt seheàllle te inelllde
a meFé~ ":arieà seleetisa ef trees anà ShrUBS.
This revised plan shows a larger pond being constructed in the southwest corner of the
property. In doing so, four very large oak trees will be removed. Staff believes that there may
be other options to accommodate the required pond area without having to remove these trees,
Staff recommends that the applicant work with staff to re-evaluate ponding options.
The City Code requires buffer yard plantings along the west property lines abutting TH 101 right-of-
way. The requirements are shown in the following table.
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June 7, 2000
Page I3
Table 2
MARSH GLEN PROPOSED BUFFERY ARD PLANTINGS
LandscaDing Item ReQuired ProDosed
West property line - 5 overstory trees & 6 overstory trees
Buffer yard B* II understory trees & 20 understory trees
(30' width) 11 shrubs & 11 shrubs
.According to city buffer yard ordinance, the project developer is responsible for only 75% aCthe required plantings. Abutting property owners may
plant the remaining 25% on their property.
Staff reeemœ.eaàs that the 8fJplieaftt ¡Release bttf:f-er yard plantiags to meet æiniæum 8relinanee
reElHiremeRts.
Although the proposed buffering meets the intent of the landscaping ordinance, the subdivision
ordinance permits the City to require berming in addition to landscaping when the plat is contiguous
with collector or arterial streets. Given the traffic volumes and noise of future TH 101, staff
recommends the applicant install a 100 percent screening (or a berm) on Lot 1, Block I and Lots I-~
4, Block 2. Since the Planning Cømmission meeting, the applicant has revised the landscape
plan to include a berm and coniferous trees along the right-of-way for future TH 101.
However, staff is requesting that more detailed plans be submitted to determine the
effectiveness of the berming and plantings.
PARK AND TRAIL DEDlCA TION
The City's comprehensive trail plan.identities a trail to be extended through the northeast portion of the
development. This trail segment will connect the development with the Rice Marsh Lake/Lake Susan
trail. Construction of this trail section will enable residents to access the Rice Marsh Lake Park and the
City-wide trail system. The proposal does not link to the City's park and trail system. Staff'we¡¡là
reeemmeaà that (A 20 foot wide trail easement is shown to extend from Mission Hills Lane between
either Lots 3 and 4 and 3 er Lets 3 anà á, Block 1 to the future trail around Rice Marsh Lake.) This
development would generate $7,600 in trail fees and $22,800 in park fees. Staff recommends these fees
be utilized to construct the proposed trail along the lake. The applicant can coordinate this construction
and be credited appropriately or the City will collect the fees and construct the trail independently of the
. development.
The Park and Recreation Commission reviewed and recommended approval of this proposal on May 23,
2000, with the following conditions:
J. Collection of full park and trail fees per city ordinance.
2. The City will construct the trail.
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June 7, 2000
Page 14
SIGNAGE/LIGHTING
A signage plan has not been submitted with this proposal. The zoning ordinance permits monument
signs for residential developments. The sign cannot exceed 24 sq. ft. in display area and 5 feet in height.
Staffis requiring that any future signage be limited to the entrance off the future TH lO I.
Light fixture locations have not been illustrated on the plans. Only shielded fixtures are allowed by
ordinance. Residential street lighting shall be required along Mission Hills Lane and Mission Hills
Circle.
Staff recommends approval of the preliminary plat with conditions.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends the City Council adopt the following motion:
'The City Council approval the request for the preliminary plat (SUB #00-1) to subdivide 13.4l acres
into 19 single family lots and 2 outlots as shown on the plans received .^.pril 10, May 31, 2000, with the
following conditions:
I. The prepeR)' !iRes fer Let 3, Bleek 2 shall be revised to maiRtaiR the æqllired 99 feet widtH at
the 30 f(Jet setbaek.
2. Outlot B shalllJe e¡¡teRdeà SOlltH aRd 'Nest te the 75 feot bllffer iadiaateà OR the preliminary plat.
It shalllJe àemORstFated that Lets 1 8, Bloak I maiataia the miaimlliH 15,999 sq. ft. let area ßfld
99 feet let width as reqlliæà lJy the shorelßfld oràiaanee.
3. The prepeRY liRes fer Let 8, Bleek I shalllJe r.eviseà to maiataiR a mmimwn 190 feet ef width.
I. All signage shall comply with article XXVI of the City Code. A monument sign shall be limited
to the access to TH I 0 I.
2. Park and trail fees are required. Park fees are $1,200.00 per dwelling unit and trail fees are
$400.00 per dwelling unit. One-third of these fees are required with the final plat and the
remaining two-thirds will be paid with each building permit. The applicant can coordinate this
construction and be credited appropriately.
6. The eaRe!!y ealeulatieRs shalllJe revised te refleat the full peteatial ef gradiag im!!aets to tree
loss er the ßJ3plieant shall previde ether àeewneats to SlIppOR preposeà ealeHlatieRs.
7. f. detailed tree préservatioR plaR aftd a re-¡i5eà laRdseapiRg plaR iReludiRg a greater
variety of trees aftà shrubs shoulà be submitted to staff for approval. THe plam seHeàøle
shalllJe reviseà te iRelllde a mere varieà seleetiea ef trees and sh.-ues.
8. BHffcr yarà plaRtiRgs shalllJe iaereased te meet miaimHm erdiRßflee reqlliremeRts.
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June 7, 2000
Page 15
3. One hundred percent screening shall be installed along Lot I, Block 1 and Lots I-J 4, Block 2 to
provide buffering ITom future TH 101. Detailed plans shall be submitted to the City for
review.
4. The Fire Marshal conditions are as follows:
a. On Block 2, Lots 6 and 7, additional address numbers must comply with the
Chanhassen Fire Department policy regarding premise identification pursuant to Policy #29-
1992. Submit plans to the Chanhassen Fire Marshal and ChanhassenBuilding Official for
review and approval.
b. When fire protection including fire apparatus access roads and water supplies for fire
protection are required to be installed such protection shall be installed and made serviceable
prior to and during the time of construction. Pursuant to 1997 Uniform Fire Code Section
901.3.
c. A ten-foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants i.e., street lamps, trees,
shrubs, bushes, NSP, US West, Cable TV and transformer boxes. This is to ensure that fire
hydrants can be quickly located and safely operated by firefighters. Pursuant to Chanhassen
City Ordinance 9-1.
d. If any trees or shrubs are to be removed, they must either be chipped or hauled off
sight due to close proximity of neighboring homes. No burning permits will be issued.
e. Additional fire hydrants will be required. Two will need to be relocated. This will be
reviewed with the City Engineer and corrections will be made on his plans.
5. All areas disturbed as a result of construction activities shall be immediately restored with
seed and disc-mulched or wood fiber blanket or sod within two weeks of completion of each
activity in accordance with the City's Best Management Practice Handbook.
6. All utility and street improvements shall be constructed in accordance with the latest edition
ofthe City's Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. Detailed construction plans and
specifications shall be submitted for staff review and City Council approval. The construction
plans and specifications will need to be submitted a minimum ofthree weeks prior to final
consideration.
7. The applicant shall provide detailed storm sewer calculations for 10-year and 100-year storm
events and provide ponding calculations for stormwater quality/quantity ponds in accordance
with the City's Surface Water Management Plan for the City Engineer to review and approve.
The applicant shall provide detailed pre-developed and post-developed storm water
calculations for 100-year storm events and normal water level and high water level
calculations in existing basins, created basin, and/or creeks. Individual storm sewer
calculations between each catch basin segment will also be required to determine if sufficient
catch basins are being utilized. In addition, water quality ponding design calculations shall be
Marsh Glen
June 7, 2000
Page 16
based on Walker's Pond net model. Emergency overflows from all storm water ponds and
wetlands will also be required on the plans.
8. The applicant will be responsible for a $19,918.80 water quantity connection fee and $8,048.00
for water quality fees due payable to the city at the time of final plat recording.
9. The applicant shall enter into a development contract with the City and provide the necessary
financial security to guarantee compliance with the terms of the development contract.
10. The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies, i.e.
Minnesota Department of Transportation, Watershed District, Metropolitan Environmental
Service Commission, Minnesota Department of Health, and Minnesota Pollution control
Agency and comply with their conditions of approval.
II. No berming or landscaping shall be permitted within the City's right of way. A 2% boulevard
grade must be maintained along the City's right of way.
12. The applicant shall report to the City Engineer the location of any drain tiles found during
construction and shall relocate or abandon the drain tile as directed by the City Engineer.
13. The drive aisle width on the private street shall be a minimum of20 feet wide bituminous
surface and built to 7-ton per axle weight pursuant to Ordinance 18-570-1 and 20-110J. On
street parking on the private street shall be prohibited. Cross-access easements and
maintenance agreements shall be prepared and recorded by the developer over Lots 5, 6, and
7, Block 2 in favor of the property owners. The minimum driveway easement width shall be
30 feet wide.
14. The developer shall dedicate to the City a 20 foot wide trail easement between Lots 3 and 4
aaà 3 er Lets 5 aaà é, Block I to Outlot B. The exact alignment shall be determined in the
field by staff. Compensation for the easement shall be applied to the developer's trail fees.
15. The developer shall dedicate on the final plat the following easements to the City at no cost:
a. A 50-foot wide drainage and utility easement over the existing sanitary sewer line
through Outot A.
b. Utility and drainage easements over all utilities, storm water ponds and wetlands
outside of the right of way. The minimum easement width over the utilities shall be 20
feet wide depending on the depth of the utility. Drainage easements over all ponds and
wetlands shall be up to the 100-year flood level.
16. The plans shall be revised as follows:
a. The lowest floor elevation of all buildings adjacent to stormwater ponds and wetlands
shall be a minimum of two feet above the lOO-year flood level.
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June 7, 2000
Page 1 7
b. The street grade at the west end of Mission Hills Lane shall be lowered to 891± to
match grade with the future intersection of Trunk Highway 101 and Mission Hills
Lane.
c. Provide emergency overflow swales for all ponds.
d. Designate dwelling types on grading plan, Le. walkout, lookout, and rambler, with
lowest floor, top of block and garage floor elevations.
e. Show existing structures and well location on grading plan.
f. The sanitary sewer and watermain lines through Outlot A and the City's property
(underneath future Trunk Highway 101) shall be cased.
g. Provide ponding in accordance with NURP standards for development runoff. Pond
slopes shall be 3:1 with a 10:1 bench for the first one foot depth of water or 4:1 slopes
overall.
h. Denote Lots 6-8, Block 1 as "custom graded" on the grading plan.
1. Tree preservation fencing will need to be denoted on the final grading and drainage
plan.
J. Show a rock construction entrance at access points to the site.
17. All lots, except the first building permit, shall be subject to current City sewer and water
hook-up charges. The hook-up charges are due at time of building permit issuance.
18. The developer and future property owners should be aware there may not be any noise
abatement improvements constructed in conjunction with the upgrade of Trunk Highway 10I.
Provisions for noise abatement (landscaping/berming) should be included in these
development plans.
19. Mission Hills Lane is a temporary dead end street. In the future when Trunk Highway 101 is
upgraded to urban standards Mission Hills Lane will be connected.
20. Lots 6, 7 and 8, Block 1, shall be custom graded at time of building permit issuance. A
detailed grading, drainage, tree removal and erosion control plan shall be submitted to the city
for review and approval at time of building permit application.
21. The applicant shall be responsible for obtaining and complying with the appropriate building
permits for demolition of the building, disconnection of the sanitary sewer and well
abandonment.
22. The proposed residential development of 10.06 net developable acres is responsible for a water
quality connection charge of $8, 152. Once the applicant demonstrates that the ponding provided
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June 7, 2000
Page 18
on site meets the City's water quality goals, all or a portion oftbis fee may be waived. The
applicant is also responsible for a water quantity fee of $20, I 76. These fees are payable to the
City prior to the City filing the final plat.
23. The applicant shall re-seed any disturbed wetland areas with MnDOT seed mix 25 A, or an
approved seed mix for wetland soil conditions.
24. The wetland buffer area shall be surveyed and staked in accordance with the City's wetland
ordinance. In addition the applicant shall provide a vegetative barrier to define the buffer edge.
The Applicant will install wetland buffer edge signs, under the supervision of City Staff, before
construction begins and will pay the City $20 per sign.
25. Staff and the applieaat shall 'Nark tegether te efw¡¡re that the depth efLet 5, Bleck 2 meets the
erdiR!lflee, and te shew a 30 feet rear yard setbaek fer Let 5, Bleck 2. The applisllllt 'Nill alse
re'iÎse the plat te shew a 30 foot setBask fur beth street :!featages ea Let I, Blesk 2.
Correct the aame of the lalla te Rise Marsh Lalce eR all plans.
25. The applicant shall add a second NURP pond unless the applicant can satisfactorily
demonstrate the single pond will suffice.
26. The applicant shall add 5 overstory trees to landscape plan for a total of 24 trees in
order to meet replacement plantings requirements.
27. The applicant shaU expand tree removal limits on Lots 6 - 8, Block 1 and add the
increase in removal to overaU canopy calculations.
28 . The applicant shaU work with city staff to explore other options for a retention pond in
the southwest corner of the property that does not remove the four, large oak trees.
29 . A conservation easement shall be extended over the area noted on the preliminary plat
as 'Drainage and Utility Easement' excluding the 20 foot trail easement on Lots 1-8,
Block I."
Attachments
J. Application
2. Memo from David Hempel dated April 26, 2000
3. Memo from Steve Torell dated April 26, 2000
4. Memo from Mark Littfin dated April 25, 2000
5. Report from Todd Hoffman dated May 23, 2000
6. MnDOT letter dated February 14, 2000
7. Preliminary Plat
8. Public Hearing Notice
9. Letter from neighbor
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June 7, 2000
Page 19
10. Memo from David Hempel dated June 7, 2000
11. Minutes from May 17, 2000 Planning Commission meeting
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CITY OF CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
(61~ .937-1900
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DEC 0 8 1999
CHANnt'\';''''''-I'i rU'\nl'UI'iIJ uEPT
l:JEVElOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION
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~ Comprehensive Plan Amendment - Temporary Sales Permit
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- Conditional Use Permit - Vacation of ROW/Easements
- Interim Use Permit - Variance
_ Non-conforming Use Permit - Wetland Alteration Permit
.
..lL Planned Unit Development- :¢r')-'bLD _ Zoning Appeal
_ Rezoning _ Zoning Ordinance Amendment
_ Sign Permits
_ Sign Plan Review L Notification Sign $160/0
- Site Plan Review· -X.. Escrow for Filing Fees/Attorney Cost..
($50 CUP/SPRNACNARlWAP/Metes
and Bounds. $400 Minor SUB)
.~ Subdivision- ~ß8).CO, TOTALFEE$ 3-, ~º
.
A list of all property owners wIthin 500 feet of the boundaries of the property must be included with the
application. .
Building material samples must be submitted with site plan reviews.
"Twenty-six full size folded copies of the plans must be submItted, IncludIng an 8Y>" X 11" reduced copy of
transparency for each plan sheet
.- Escrow will be required for other applications 1f1rough the development contract
TE - When multiple applications are processed, the apprDpriate fee shall be charged for each application.
LEGAL DESCRIPTION
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PROJECT NAME
LOCATION \/4
TOTAL ACREAGE \~AI kAE.S
WETLANDS PRESENT Y/"VES NO
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PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION
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REQUESTED LAND USE DESIGNATION
REASON FOR THIS REQUEST Du?:>DI (; 150 A.)
This application must be completed in full and be- typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information
and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, you should confer with the Planning
Department to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to your application.
A detennination of completeness of the application shall be made within ten business days of application submittal. A written
notice of application deficiencies shall be mailed to the applicant within ten business days of application.
"This is to certify that I am making application for the described action by the Cify and that I am responsible for complying with
all City requirements with regard to this request. This application should be processed in my name and I am the party whom
the City should contact regarding any matter pertaining to this application. I have attached a copy of proof of ownership (either
copy of Owner's Duplicate Certificate of Title, Abstract of Title or purchase agreement), or I am the authorized person to make
this application and the fee owner has also signed this application.
1 will keep myself informed of the deadlines for submission of material and the progress of this application. I further
understand that additional fees may be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an estimate prior to any
authorization to proceed with the study. The documents and infonnation I have submitted are true and correct to the best of
my knowledge.
The city hereby notifies the applicant that development review cannot be completed within 60 days due to public hearing
requirements and agency review. Therefore, the city is notifying the applicant that the city requires an automatic 60 day
extension for development review. Development review shall be completed within 120 days unless additional review
extensi re appro ed by the a :Ilicant.
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, Date
Date
Fee Paid ~1;?5V .00 Receipt No. [fW \ 7
The applicant should contact staff for a copy of the staff report which will be available on Friday prior to the meeting.
If not contacted, a copy of the report will be mailed to the applicant's address.
Signature of Fee Owner
Application Received on 18-' 0· C( q
C1fiCAGO TITLE INSURANCE COMPANY
. SchcdulcA LcgalDcsaiption Continued
Fùe Number. CA 16843
Carver County, Minnesota
That part of the Southeast Quarter of the Southwest Quarter of Section 13, Township 116, Range
23, Carver County, Minnesota, png Easterly of the center line of State Trunk Highway # 101 and
northerly of the following descnbed line: .
Co=encing at the Northeast corner of said Southeast Quarter of the Southwest Quarter; thence
on an I!ssu.med bearin¡:t of South 0 degrees 52 minutes 40 seconds East, along the east line of said
Southeast Quarter of the Southwest Quarter, a dìstance of SI9.2.6 feet to the point of begilining of
the line to be described; thence North 90 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds West a distance of 463.90
feet; thence South 0 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds East a distance of 108.00 feet; thence North 90
degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds West a distance of 112.69 feet; thence South 00 degrees 00 minutes
00 seconds West a distance of 265.45 feet; thence North 90 degrees 00 minutes 00 seconds West a
distance of 143.04 feet; thence North 15 degrees 33 minutes 37 seconds West a distance of 239.59
feet; thence North 69 degrees 17 minutes 02 seconds West a distance of 491.20 feet to the centerline
of State Trunk Highway #101, and there terminating;
Excepting therefrom that part described as follows: Co=encing at the Northeast corner of said
Quarter Quarter; thence West along the North line thereof, 903.8 feet to a point in the center line
of State Trunk Highway #101, as now laid out and traveled, being the actual point of beginning;
thence East along said North line 137.51 feet; thence South 17 degrees 17 minutes West 247.43 feet;
thence South 33 degrees 59 minutes West 271.52 feet; thence North 48 degrees 37 minutes West.
184.51 feet to said center line; thence Northeasterly along said center line 402.82 feet more or less,
to the actual point of beginning.
Abstract.
FROM
PHONE NO. 949 8653
Apr. 12 20ØØ 01:53PM P2
Apti112, 2000
City of Chanhassen
690 City Center Drive
ChaIÙ1assen MN 55317
To Whom It May Concern:
MSS Holdings, LLC, is proposing a 19 lot development on 8411 Great Plains
Bowevard, Chanhassen. This development will be known as "Marsh Glen." The
subdivision will be constructed by S} Kroiss of Eden Prairie.
S} Kroiss is a long time builder and the owner Steve Kroiss is a long time resident of the
western suburbs.
We are proposing to the city of Chanhassen this project for your approval. We have
met several times with the city staff working on this proposal. We are not asking for
any variances or zoning changes for this particular project.
We appreciate your consideration of our new Marsh Glen development.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
90Ciry Center Drive, PO Box 147
ChmdJ/1Ssm, Minnesota 55317
Phone 612.937.1900
Genem! Fax 612.931.5739
Engillming Fax 612.931.9152
Publi, 54'0' Fax 612.934.2524
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner II
David Hempel, Assistant City Engineer \øÐ'
FROM:
DATE:
April 26, 2000
SUBJ:
Review of Preliminary Plat for Marsh Glen
Land Use Review File No. 00-01
Upon review of the plans prepared by Development Engineering dated April 10,
2000, I offer the following comments and recommendations:
GRADING
The site characteristics are rolling in nature with wetlands and dense woodland
areas over the northerly portion of the site. Mature oak and maple tree_s are
scattered throughout the westerly and southerly portions of the site. The property
also contains an existing homestead and bam which will need to be razed. The
bam was used as a horse training facility in the past. As a result of this use, an
extremely large amount of manure was deposited behind the bam area. The
developer is proposing to remove and dispose of the manure off site.
The plans propose on mass grading a majority of the site to prepare the streets,
lots, house pads, and stormwater ponds. The proposed grading plan will generally
maintain the rolling features of the site as it exists today. Outlot A which is
proposed to be future Trunk Highway 101 right-of-way also contains a number of
larger oak and maple trees. This outlot is not proposed to be graded at this time
except for utility extension and a temporary cul-de-sac. In the future when Trunk
Highway 101 is upgraded, the road will be shifted easterly within Outlot A and
the property leveled off. The grades of future Trunk Highway 101 will be
significantly lower which will result in removal ofthe trees in Outlot A. The
proposed centerline grade of Trunk Highway lOl and Mission Hills Lane is
approximately 890.0±. The westerly end of Mission Hills Lane is proposed at
894.0 and therefore will need to be lowered approximately three feet to match
future Trunk Highway 10I.
An existing stormwater pond located in the southwest corner of the site which
pretreats stonmvater runoff from the Mission Hills development is proposed to be
expanded and utilized to accommodate drainage from the entire development.
The grading plan needs to incorporate an emergency overflow from the pond
along Outlot A to Mission Hills Lane.
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 2
No benning is proposed nor is it feasible along Trunk Highway 101 due to the
grade difference and recommended overflow swale from the pond.
Screening/noise abatement should be accomplished through the use of
landscaping.
The proposed building pads blend fairly well with existing topography to maintain
the site's characteristics. The building sites range in elevation from 888 to 914.
The building units on Lots 1-8, Block I are located in the most environmentally
sensitive area of the site. Staff is recommending that Lots 6-8, Block I be custom
graded at time of building to minimize grading and tree loss. A detailed grading,
drainage, erosion control and tree removal plan shall be submitted to the City for
review and approval prior to issuance of a building pennit for Lots 6-8, Block I.
The home styles throughout the development vary between walkouts, ramblers
and lookout-type dwellings. On Lots 2-5, Block 2, the lowest floor elevation of
the dwelling must be raised to be two feet above the high water level of the pond
(up to 902.0). The dwelling type on these lots appears to be restricted to a slab-
on-grade rambler or split entry-type dwelling unless the proposed grades in the
area are raised significantly (four to six feet).
DRAINAGE
For the most part, the site sheet drains in a north-northeasterly direction towards
Rice Marsh Lake or the adjacent wetland body. Based on the grading plan, the
. ,
adjacent neighborhoGd drainage patterns will be maintained with the proposed
development. Stonnwater runoff is proposed to be conveyed via stonn sewer
systems into the existing storn1water holding pond located in the southwest comer
of the site for pretreatment prior to discharging off site. The existing pond is
proposed to be expanded to accommodate this site development. The plans need
to incorporate an emergency overflow swale from the existing pond along the
rearyards of Lots 1-3, Block 2 to Mission Hills Lane. Based on proposed street
grades at the west end of Mission Hills Lane, the proposed stonn sewer will be
too low to drain into the existing pond, The applicant will most likely need
another pond somewhere in the northwest corner of the site. This may result in
the loss of a lot.
All pond designs shall confonn to NURP standards. The side slopes shall be 4:1
or 3:1 with a 10:1 bench for the first one foot depth of water. The plans have the
pond inlet and outlot discharge points to close together to provide valuable water
quality treatment. The outlet/inlet pipe shall be separated at least 50 feet apart. If
another pond is created in the northwest corner of the site to address the proj ect's
stonn runoff, then the proposed outlet pipe from the existing pond could be
eliminated.
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 3
The development's storm sewer system shall be designed for a 10-year, 24-hour
storm event. Ponding calculations including pre- and post-development runoff
conditions for a 10-year and lOO-year, 24-hour storm event will need to be
submitted to city staff for review and approval. Drainage and utility easements
will need to be dedicated on the final plat over the public storm drainage system
including ponds and wetlands up to the 100-year flood level. The minimum
easement width shall be 20 feet wide. Maintenance access shall also be a
consideration in the easement width/location.
EROSION CONTROL
The grading plan proposes Type I erosion control fence along the perimeter of the
downstream grading limits. Tree preservation fencing will need to be denoted on
the final grading and drainage plan. A rock construction entrance will also need
to be required at entrance points to the site. Watershed District and NPDES
permits will also be required in conjunction with this development.
UTILITIES
Municipal sewer and water service is available to the site. SanitaIY sewer service
is available from along Trunk Highway 101 or by Rice Marsh Lake. The plans
propose on extending water and sewer service from the existing lines along Trunk
Highway 101 through Outlot A and the City's property to serve the site. The
water line will also be connected at the current tern1inus in Mission Hills Lane.
This will provide a looped system and improve water service to the existing
neighborhood in Mission Hills.
The construction plans shall be prepared in accordance with the City's latest
edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. The plans shall be submitted
a minimum of three weeks prior to final plat consideration for staff review and
formal City Council approval. The developer will be required to enter into a
development contract with the City and provide a financial security in the fonTI of
a letter of credit or cash escrow to guarantee installation of the public
improvements and conditions of final plat approval. Drainage and utility
easements shall be dedicated to the City over the public lines outside of the right-
of~way on the final plat. Depending on the depth of the utilities, the minimum
drainage an~ utility easement width shall be 20 feet wide.
The existing farmhouse is connected to city sewer. However, water service has
not been extended. There is an existing well located behind the farmhouse that
will need to be abandoned in accordance with State health codes. The sewer line
will also have to be disconnected in accordance with City policy.
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 4
The property was previously assessed for trunk sewer and water hook up charges
in conjunction with the Lake Riley Boulevard Trunk Improvement Project No. 93-
26A, however, only one of the 19 hookup assessments were levied; the remaining
18 were deferred. Since the applicant is creating more lots than was previously
assessed, those lots will also be subject to city sanitary sewer and water hook up
charges at time of building permit issuance. The 2000 trunk utility hook up
charges are $1,300 per unit for sanitary sewer and $1,694 per unit for watermain.
STREETS
The applicant is proposing a combination of public and private street systems.
The plans propose on extending Mission Hills Lane from its current terminus to
Outlot A (future Trunk Highway 101). At this time, there will not be a street
connection to existing Trunk Highway 101 due to inadequate sight lines and
impacts to the City's property which lies between Outlot A and existing Trunk
Highway 101. Mission Hills Lane will be connected when Trunk Highway 101 is
upgraded. Staff believes the current timeframe for the extension and upgrade of
Trunk Highway 101 is approximately five to seven years. Until Trunk Highway
101 is upgraded and the street connection made, access to this development will
be limited to existing Mission Hills Lane and West 86th Street. In conjunction
with the Mission Hills development, West 86th Street was designed and
constructed to act as a neighborhood collector street (36 feet wide). The
additional trips generated from this project will not adversely impact traffic
through the Mission Hills neighborhoods. It is estimated the increased traffic
volumes on Mission Hills Lane and West 86th Street will be approximately 200
vehicle trips per day once the site has been fully developed.
The preliminary plat proposes a 60-foot wide right-of-way for the street extension
(Mission Hills Lane) along with a private street at the end of the cul-de-sac to
serve two lots. A cross-access easement and maintenance agreement will need to
be prepared and recorded by the developer over the lots which access the private
street. The minimum driveway easement width shall be 30 feet wide. In addition,
drainage and utility easements shall encompass the proposed utilities along the
private street.
Currently, on Mission Hill Lane, a 5-foot wide concrete sidewalk has been
constructed along the easterly side of the street. A 5-foot wide sidewalk is
proposed to be extended through the development down to Outlot A on the north
side of Mission Hills Lane. The plans do not propose a pathway from Mission
Hills Lane down to and along Rice Marsh Lake. There is an existing trail system
around Rice Marsh Lake which will eventually provide access to the trail system
just south of Villages on the Ponds development north of this project. Staff
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 5
believes there should be a trail connection down to the trail at Rice Marsh Lake
from Mission Hills Lane between Lots 4 and 5 or 5 and 6, Block I. The pathway
should be redesigned to meet ADA requirements.
The extension of Mission Hills Lane to the development may require the
relocation of an existing fire hydrant and catch basins. The applicant shall be
responsible for the relocation of existing utilities and street improvements in
conjunction with the extension of Mission Hills Lane. An existing wood fence is
located within the City's right-of-way by the property owner on Lot 9 (Mission
Hills Court) which will need to be removed from the City's right-of-way to avoid
impacts from the extension of Mission Hills Lane.
RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
I. All areas disturbed as a result of construction activities shall be
immediately restored with seed and disc-mulched or wood fiber blanket or
sod within two weeks of completion of each activity in accordance with
the City's Best Management Practice Handbook.
2. All utility and street improvements shall be constructed in accordance with
the latest edition of the City's Standard Specifications and Detail Plates.
Detailed construction plans and specifications shall be submitted for staff
review and City Council approvaL The construction plans and
specifications will need to be submitted a minimum of three weeks prior to
final consideration.
3. The applicant shall provide detailed storm sewer calculations for IO-year
and I OO-year st01l11 events and provide ponding calculations for
stormwater quality/quantity ponds in accordance with the City's Surface
Water Management Plan for the City Engineer to review and approve.
The applicant shall provide detailed pre-developed and post-developed
storm water calculations for lOO-year st01l11 events and nonnal water level
and high water level calculations in existing basins, created basin, and/or
creeks. Individual storm sewer calculations between each catch basin
segment will also be required to determine if sufficient catch basins are
being utilized. In addition, water quality ponding design calculations shall
be based on Walker's Pond net modeL Emergency overflows from all
storm water ponds and wetlands will also be required on the plans.
4. The applicant shall enter into a development contract with the City and
provide the necessary financial security to guarantee compliance with the
terms of the development contract.
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 6
5. The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate
regulatory agencies, i.e. Minnesota Department of Transportation,
Watershed District, Metropolitan Environmental Service Commission,
Minnesota Department of Health, and Minnesota Pollution control Agency
and comply with their conditions of approval.
6. No berming or landscaping shall be permitted within the City's right of
way. A 2% boulevard grade must be maintained along the City's right of
way.
7. The applicant shall report to the City Engineer the location of any drain
tiles found during construction and shall relocate or abandon the drain tile
as directed by the City Engineer.
8. The drive aisle width on the private street shall be a minimum of20 feet
wide bituminous surface and built to 7-ton per axle weight pursuant to
Ordinance 18-570-1 and 20-1101. On street parking on the private street
shall be prohibited. Cross-access easements and maintenance agreements
shall be prepared and recorded by the developer over Lots 5, 6, and 7,
Block 2 in favor of the property owners. The minimum driveway
easement width shall be 30 feet wide.
9. The developer shall install an 8~foot wide bituminous trail from the
sidewalk along Mission Hills Lane to Outlot B between Lots 4 and 5,
Block 1 or Lots 5 and 6, Block I to the existing trail easement. The trail
grade shall meet ADA requirements.
10. The developer shall dedicate the following easements to the City at no
cost:
a. A 20-foot wide trail easement over the proposed trail from Mission
Hills Lane to the existing trail easement on Outlot B.
b. A 50-foot wide drainage and utility easement over the existing
sanitary sewer line through Lot 12, Block I.
c. Utility and drainage easements over all utilities, stonnwater ponds
and wetlands outside of the right of way. The minimum easement
width over the utilities shall be 20 feet wide depending on the
depth of the utility. Drainage easements over all ponds and
wetlands shall be up to the 100-year flood level.
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 7
lJ. The plans shall be revised as follows:
a. The lowest floor elevation of all buildings adj acent to stormwater
ponds and wetlands shall be a minimum of two feet above the 100-
year flood level.
b. The street grade at the west end of Mission Hills Lane shall be
lowered to 891± to match grade with the future intersection of
Trunk Highway 101 and Mission Hills Lane.
c. Provide emergency overflow swales for all ponds.
d. Designate dwelling types on grading plan, i.e. walkout, lookout,
and rambler, with lowest floor, top of block and garage floor
elevations.
e. Show existing structures and well location on grading plan.
f The sanitary sewer and watern1ain lines through Outlot A and the
City's property (undemeath future Tnmk Highway 101) shall be
cased.
g. Grade Outlot A for a tempormy cul-de-sac with 40-foot radius at
the end of Mission Hills Lane.
h. Provide ponding in accordance with NURP standards for
development runoff Pond slopes shall be 3: I with a 10: I bench
for the first one foot depth of water or 4: I slopes overall.
L Denote Lots 6-8, Block I as "custom graded" on the grading plan.
J. Tree preservation fencing will need to be denoted on the final
grading and drainage plan.
k. Show a rock construction entrance at access points to the site.
12. All lots, except the first building pennit, shall be subject to cun-ent City
sewer and water hook-up charges. The hook-up charges are due at time of
building permit issuance.
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner I
Marsh Glen Preliminary Plat Review
April 26, 2000
Page 8
13. The developer and future property owners should be aware there may not
be any noise abatement improvements constructed in conjunction with the
upgrade of Trunk Highway 101. Provisions for noise abatement
(landscaping/berming) should be included in these development plans.
14. Mission Hills Lane is a temporary dead end street. In the future when
Trunk Highway 101 is upgraded to urban standards Mission Hills Lane
will be connected.
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c: Teresa Burgess, Director of Public Works/City Engineer
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
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Chonhossen, Minnesoto 55317
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
Gndy Kirchoff, Planner"
FROM:
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Steven Torell, Building Official
DATE:
April 26, 2000
SUBJ:
Site Plan Review for:
Marsh Glen
I have reviewed the revised site plans for the above project dated 4/10/00 by the
design engineer (no other revision date is indicated) and received by the Planning
Department on April 26, 2000. My comments in my memo to you on December 28,
1999 still apply; I have no additional comments at this time.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Cynthia Kirchoff, Planner II
Mark Littfin, Fire Marshal
April 25, 2000
Plan review for preliminary plat approval, Marsh Glen
I have reviewed the preliminary plat for the above project. In order to comply with the
Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division I have the following fire code or city
ordinance/policy requirements. The site plan is based on the available information supplied at
this time. If additional plans or changes are submitted, the appropriate code or policy items
will be addressed.
I. On Block 2, Lots 6 and 7, additional address numbers must comply with the
Chanhassen Fire Department policy regarding premise identification pursuant to Policy
#29-1992. Submit plans to the Chanhassen Fire Marshal and Chanhassen Building
Official for review and approval.
2. I do have some concerns with the length of the private drive at the end of Mission 1-Hlls
Circle. Fire code requires anything over 150 feet be provided with an approved turn
around however. there is an exception that when there are not more than two group R
division 3 (single family dwellings), the requirements may be modified. I would prefer
to see some type of turn around at the end in the vicinity of Lot 7, Block 2. One
possible alternative may be to residential fire sprinkler the houses on lots 6 and 7,
Block 2. At this point further discussion should occur between planning and the fire
department.
3. When fire protection including fire apparatus access roads and water supplies for fire
protection are required to be installed such protection shall be installed and made
serviceable prior to and during the time of construction. Pursuant to 1997 Uniform
Fire Code Section 901.3.
4. A ten-foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants i.e., street lamps, trees,
shrubs, bushes, NSP, US West, Cable TV and transformer boxes. This is to ensure that
fire hydrants can be quickly located and safely operated by firefighters. Pursuant to
Chanhassen City Ordinance 9-1.
5. If any trees or shrubs are to be removed, they must either be chipped or hauled off
sight due to close proximity of neighboring homes. No burning permits will be issued.
6. Additional fire hydrants will be required. Two will need to be relocated. This will be
reviewed with the City Engineer and corrections will be made on his plans.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
o City Ctnttr Drive, PO Box 147
7hanhtwen, Minn"ota 55317
Phone 612.937.1900
General Fax 612.937.5739
'ngineering Fax 612937.9152
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CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY
General
PREMISES IDENTIFICATION
Numbers or addresses shall be placed on all new and existing
buildings in such a position as to be plainly visible and
legible from the street or road fronting the property. Said
numbers shall contrast with their background. Size and
location of numbers shall be approved by one of the
following Public Safety Director, Building Official,
Building Inspector, Fire Marshal.
Requirements are for new construction and existing buildings
where no address numbers are posted.
Other Requirements - General
1. Numbers shall he a contrasting color from the background.
2. Numbers shall not be in script.
3. If a structure is not visible from the street, additional numbers are
required at the driveway entrance. Size and location must be approved.
4. Numbers on mail box at driveway entrance may be a minimum of 4". However,
requirement #3 must still be met.
5. Administrative authority may require additional numbers if deemed
necessary .
Residential ReQUirements (2 or less dwellinq unit)
1. Minimum height shall be 5 1/4".
2. Building permits will not be finaled unless numbers are posted and approved
by the Building Department.
Commercial Requirements
1. Minimum height shall be 12-.
2. Strip Malls
a. Multi tenant building will have minimum height requirements of 6".
b. Address numbers shall be on the main entrance and on all back doors.
3. If address numbers are located on a directory entry sign, additional
numbers will be required on the buildings main entrance.
Chanhassen Fire
Department
Fire Prevention
Policy #29-1992
Date: 06/15/92
Revised:
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STAFF REPORT
PROPOSAL:
A preliminary p1a.t request to subdivide 13.41 acres into 19 single-family lots
and 2 outlots
LOCATION:
East ofTH 101 and north of Mission Hills
APPLICANT:
MSS Holdings, LLC
8905 Cove Point Road
Eden Prairie, MN 55347
(934-0750)
Andrew and Linda Freseth
Attorney: Bruce Hanson
(607-7593)
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PRESENT ZONING:
RSF-Residential Single Family
ADJACENT ZONING
AND LAND USE:
N: Open SpaceNillages on the Ponds
S: PUD-R; Planned Unit Development-Residential
E: RSF; Residential Single Family
W: Highway 101
COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN: The Comprehensive Plan identifies this development as lying
within the Park Service Area of Rice Marsh Lake Park.
COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL PLAN: The Comprehensive Trail Plan identified a trail within this
proposed plat. This trail segment will connect this development to the Ricè Marsh LakeILake Susan
trail. Construction of this trail section will give residents the opportunity to visit Rice Marsh Lake Park
and gain access to the citywide trail system.
After several meetings, the applicant has designated a path connection to Mission Hills Lane from the
"Rice Marsh trail." The trail will be constructed between Lots 3 and 4 as shown on the attached diagram
submitted by the applicant. Mr. Kroiss has objected to the condition of having the trail constructed as an
element of their project. I recommend that the City construct the trail concurrent with the improvements
being completed by the applicant.
Marsh Glen
May 23, 2000
Page 2
RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the Park & Recreation Commission recommend the City Council require the
following conditions of approval regarding parks and trails for Marsh Glen:
I. Collection of full park and trail fees per city ordinance.
2. The applicant dedicat,e an ,~asement for the purpose of const~cting the tr~.i.l ~~t~tt
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City of Chanhassen
690 City Center Drive
Post Office Box 147
Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317
Subject:
Marsh Glen
POO-OO I (plat R.eview)
East of Trunk Highway (111) 101 and North of 86'" Sl1'eet West
Chanhassen, C31Ver County
C.S. 1009
Dear Mr. Hempel:
The Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnIDOT) has reviewed the above referenced plat in
compliance with Minnesota Statute 505.03, subdivision 2, PJats. Before any further development, pJease
consider the folJowing comments;
· For primarily safety reasons, Mn/DOT wiJI not aJIow a permanent or temporary access to TH 10J.
Mn/DOT inspections of the property reveal that there is inadequate site distance for a street or any other
type of access connection. As we discussed, if there is a jurisdictional transfer (i.e., tumback) of TH
10 I, it wm be the responsibility of the regulating governmental agency to determine the appropriateness
ofany future access to this road. Please direct questions concerning access issues to Lars Impola (612-
797-3126) of our Traffic Section.
· The final plat will need to identify Mn/DOT right of way including dimensions from the centerJine of
:H 101. Please direct questions concerning Mn/DOT right of way to JeffHoffstrom (612-797-3108) of
our SW'Veys Section or John Isackson (651-582-1273) of our R.ight of Way Section.
· Any work on or affecting Mn/DOT right of way win require a permit. Questions regarding Mn/DOT
pennit applications may be directed to Keith Van WagTIer (651-582-1443) of our Permits Section.
· Mn/DOT's policy is to assist local governments in promoting compatibiJity between land use and
highways. Residential uses located adjacent to highways often results in complaints about traffic noise.
Traffic noise fi'om this highway could exceed noise standards established by the Minnesota Pollution
Conl1'ol Agency, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and the U.S. Department of
Transportation. Mn/DOT policy regarding development adjacent to existing highways prohibits the
expenditure of highway funds for noise mitigation measures. The project developer should assess the
noise situation and take the åction deemed necessary to minimize the impactS of any highway noise.
Please address all future correspondence for deve10pment activity such as plats, site plans, environmental
reviews. and comprehensive plan amendments to:
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MnlDOT - Mctro Division
Waters Edge
1500 West County Road B-2
Roseville, Minncsota SS 113
We regret the delay in responding to this development review. Fee] tTee to contact me at (65 I) 582-1771 if
should have any questions.
Sincere]y.
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Paul Czech
Senior Transportation PlannerlLocal Government Liaison
cc: Jolm Freemyer, Carver County Surveyor
Roger Gustafson, Carver County Engineer
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NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 2000 AT 7:00 P.M.
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
890 CITY CENTER DRIVE
PROPOSAL: Preliminary Plat for
19 SIngle Family Lots
APPUCANT: MSS Holdings, LLC
LOCATION: East of TH 101
NOTICE: You are Invited to attend a public hearing about a proposal in your area. The applicant,
MSS HoIdiOgs, LLC, Is requesting preliminary plat to subdivide 13.41 acres Into 19 single family lots on
property zoned RSF, Single Family Residential. The property Is located east of TH 101, north of Mission
Hills and south of Villages on the Ponds, Marsh Glen.
What Happens at the Meeting: The purpose of this public hearing is to Infoon you about the developer's
request and to obtain input from the neighborhood about this project. During the meeting, the Chair willlèad
the public hearing through the following steps:
1. Staff will give an overview of the proposed project.
2. The Developer will present plans on the project.
3. Comments are received from the public.
4. Public hearing Is closed and the Commission discusses project.
Questions and Comments: If you want to see the plans before the meeting, please stop by City Hall during
offICe hours, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you wish to talk to someone about this project,
please contact Cindy at 937-1900 ext. 117. If you choose to submit written comments, It Is helpful to have one
copy to the department In advance of the meeting. Staff will provide copies to the Commission.
Notice of this public hearing has been published in the Chanhassen Villager on April 20, 2000.
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Mr. Steve Kroiss
S. Kroiss Homes
8905 Cove Pointe Road
Eden Prairie, MN. 55347
Dear Steve:
This letter is in follow up to our telephone conversation on 4/14/00, my conversations
with the Chanhassen planning department and Tony Ferguson, in reference to your
proposed plat for Marsh Glen.
First, I want to compliment you on the over all site plan, it appears to be well designed
for the topography of the site and most of the adjacent neighborhoods.
However, as I discussed with you, Lot 8 Block 1 brings up the same identical issues I
brought to your and the City's attention earlier this year. The lot next to my property
and the Ferguson property is too small. The lot size at a minimum should have a
buildable square foot area similar to the Ferguson lot You can not count the square
feet of land north of the wetland setback line and say this lot is larger then the City's
minimum lot size. Like my property, much of it is north of the setback line and is not
buildable.
As I discussed with you, Tony Ferguson and Cindy Kirchoff, I am totally opposed to
how you have laid out the long driveway, which runs almost three quarters of the way
down the Ferguson property line and faces directly into my front yard.
Please change the proposed plan so that Block 1, Lots 7 & 8 are combined into one
single family lot and put the house pad, so it is aligned with the Ferguson house pad
and other home sites on Mission Hills Lane to the south. By doing this, you will allow
for a transition from the home sites on Mission Hills Lane and my home in the Rice
~. ~arsh developments.
Please call me at 974-5285 if you want to discuss this further and prior to the Planning
Commission and City Council meetings.
Respectfully submitted, /
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David F. Nickolay ~
ccy-dndy Kirchoff, Chari. City Planning Dept, for attachment to the staff report
Tony Ferguson
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CHANHASSEN
690 City Cen/(' Drive, PO Box 147
Chanhassen, Minn"ota 55317
Phone 612.937.1900
General Fax 612.937.5739
EnginteTing Fax 612.937.9152
Public Safety Fax 612.934.2524
web www.cí.chanhl1Ssen.mn.us
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Cindy Kirchoff, Planner II
David Hempel, Assistant City Engineer ~
June 7, 2000
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJ;
Review of Revised Preliminary Plat for Marsh Glen
Land Use Review File No. 00-01
Upon review of the plans prepared by Development Engineering dated April 10,
2000, revised May 23, 2000 I offer the following comments and
recommendations:
GRADING
The revised plan, after review by the Planning Commission, resulted in changing
the private drive to a public street The change involves extending the cuI-de sac
and rearranging the lot configuration around the cul-de-sac. The difference
between the two plans appears minimal. The advantage is less grading, saving
trees at the end of lots 5&6, blk.2, less utility infrastructure and minimizing
impacts to neighboring properties to the east. The major impact is the pond on
Block 2. The plans have been revised to reflect the ponding necessary to meet the
city's storm ponding requirements. This involves additional tree loss from the
previous plan as staff envisioned. There still is an issue with conveying storm
water runoff from the intersection of future Th 101 and Mission Hills Lane. The
plans fail to provide storm water treatment of the runoff from this intersection.
The plans still need to visit this issue. Staff believes that the runoff can still be
routed to the proposed pond however; the applicant has not demonstrated it to the
city. The revised plans have not been thoroughly reviewed by the engineering
staff to determine if there are any other issues. We reserve the right to add further
comments and recommendations prior to final plat considerations.
Overall the revised plans with the out the private driveway appears acceptable and
preferred over the private drive scenario. Staff will apply any further conditions
at time of final plat consideration
c: Teresa Burgess, City Engineer/Director of Public Works
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The Cit"¡ of Chanhassen. A fJowin~ community with clean lakes, quality schoob, a charmin~ downtown. thriviM business". and beautiful parks. A rreat ølace to live, work. and øl
CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
MAY 17, 2000
Chairman Peterson called the Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Craig Peterson, Ladd Conrad, VIi Sacchet, Alison Blackowiak,
LuAnn Sidney, Deb Kind, and Matt Burton
STAFF PRESENT: Sharmin Al-Jaff, Senior Planner; Cindy Kirchoff, Planner II; and Teresa
Burgess, Public Works Director/City Engineer
PUBLIC HEARING:
PRELIMINARY PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE 13.41 ACRES INTO 19 SINGLE FAMILY
LOTS ON PROPERTY ZONED RSF, SINGLE F AMIL Y RESIDENTIAL. THE
PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF TH 101. NORTH OF MISSION HILLS AND
SOUTH OF VILLAGES ON THE PONDS. MARSH GLEN, MSS HOLDINGS. LLC.
Public Present:
Name
Address
Tracy Scheid
Penny White
Tony Ferguson
Barb Lindemann
Steve & M. Kroiss
451 Mission Hills Court
450 Mission Hills Court
8495 Mission Hills Lane
552 Mission Hills Drive
8905 Cove Point Road
Cindy Kirchoff presented the staff report on this item.
Peterson: Questions of staff?
Sidney: Okay Mr. Chair, one question. We had this in our packet for the last Planning
Commission. It was withdrawn at that time. What has changed since then, if anything?
Kirchoff: Nothing has changed. It's the same proposal that was on the May 3rd agenda.
Sidney: Okay.
Burton: Mr. Chairman. I was looking at the report, it talks about this is zoned low density
residential which is 1.2 to 4 units per acre. And this is 19 units and 13.4 acres. I'm just trying to
figure out how that works out. It seems it doesn't even meet 1.2.
Kirchoff: The outlots and the water level area are taken out for the net density.
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Burton: With the outIots and all and everything we've got \3.4?
Kirchoff: Yes. The total site area is \3.4.
Burton: Yeah, so that even goes further the other way. Now you're saying 19 units on 8.6 acres.
So it's .6, rough math units per acre.
Peterson: Why don't you walk through your question again Matt. Now that all those numbers.
Burton: Right on page 2 of the report, of our staff report, at the first paragraph it says it's guided
low density residential which is 1.2 to 4 units per acre. And this entire project is 13.4 acres and
there are 19 units. But they're actually only building on 8.6. So even if you go with the 13,
you're I think it's about.7 units. A unit for every.
Kirchoff: It could be 4 units per acre so it could 4 times 13.
Conrad: Matt, you can build on 15,000 square feet and this is really low density.
Kind: Yeah, it could be 4 units per acre.
Conrad: Yeah.
Peterson: He was thinking about it backwards.
Burton: I'm going in reverse.
Conrad: They're way down.
Kind: It could be 4 times 8 which is 32.
Burton: I knew that. Okay, I'm sorry. It might have been the math difference, never mind
somehow.
Kirchoff: No problem.
Peterson: You're using the old math versus the new math. I do it often.
Burton: The other question I had, hopefully it's more. .. than the first was you had mentioned that
the preservation areas appear questionable and can you expand on that? Are there any conditions
that address that? I just noticed that as I was reading it again.
Kirchoff: Yes. There is a condition that, let's state it backwards. There is a condition that the
canopy calculations be reconfigured. That is number 6. The Forester did review the plan and
according to the applicant 36% of the site will be saved. Of canopy will be saved. And that will
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have to be revised before it goes to the council. And 35% is the minimum that's permitted to be
saved. They're I % over that. According to their proposal.
Burton: Okay. I did have actually one other question. In reading the Fire Marshal's
memorandum he's discussing that private drives in Block 2 and he states that he'd prefer to see
some type of turn around and then he goes on that one possible alternative may be a residential
fire sprinkler and at this point further discussion should occur between Planning and the Fire
Department. I didn't see any conditions relating to that and I was just wondering if there were
other discussions and whether that was evaluated at all.
Kirchoff: Yes. After further discussion the Fire Marshal decided to leave that condition and
that's why it wasn't included in the conditions of approval of the subdivision.
Sacchet: Mr. Chairman. In the staff report it says that a second storm water pond may be
necessary. Is it or isn't it? What does it depend on? Can you elaborate on that one?
Kirchoff: Maybe I can defer this question to Teresa, our new Public Works Director/City
Engineer.
Burgess: There's some concern that the grades won't work. The developer feels that they will
work. The engineering department has identified that we have some concerns. That's why we
have put it in there. It is a possibility. lfit works with only one pond, we're open to that idea but
we do want to make sure that the developer's aware that looking at it from our end, we're
thinking that a second pond is probably necessary.
Sacchet: So at this point there is a disagreement between the staff and the developer on that?
Burgess: The developer believes that he can make it work with one pond, but staff looking at the
grades as they are shown has some concerns and so we have put in potential for a second pond.
Sacchet: So you're not sure yet?
Burgess: We're not sure. Until we have the actual development is actually built, there is some
gray area until the actual design is done. At this point we believe that a second pond is
necessary.
Sacchet: But you can't say until you see the final.
Burgess: Until we see the final design of the homes to see if the final grading does work. At this
time we're not requiring a second pond. We're just saying it's a potential need.
Sacchet: Okay. Now my second question is kind of a math question too. In establishing those
percentages of tree cover, is that including the outlots?
Kirchoff: Yes it is.
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Sacchet: It is? Okay.
Peterson: Thank you. Any other questions of staff?
Kind: Yes Mr. Chair. Where would the second pond go?
Burgess: We've identified the potential for it to go on the northwest corner of the property, or to
the property just to the south of the public street in the northwest corner of that property. The
lots would need to be reconfigured to allow for that and there's a potential that one lot may be
lost.
Kind: And question for Cindy I believe. When we were presented this project as a PUD there
were 30 homes. And the question was asked at that time how many homes, if this went in as a
straight subdivision, how many homes would there be and the answer was 30. And to me that
was part of the rationale for approving the PUD and now we see it as a straight subdivision with
19 homes. That's a pretty big gap from what we were told. Could you speak to that at all?
Kirchoff: Certainly. I think it was around 27,28 that we projected. It was an error on staffs
part that that many could conceivably be placed on the lot. However we were approving it based
upon it meeting the density requirement that is required as part ofthe comp plan. That was our
basis for recommending approval.
Kind: The 4 number that Matt was talking about earlier is 8 something acres times 4 gives them
32. And that's kind of roughly.
Kirchoff: Actually it met the low density requirements. However they had to change the
comprehensive plan designation to medium density because ofPUD requirements.
Kind: To me this is an example of where the math and the reality don't match and they really
can't get 30. I don't see how you could get 30 and meet our setbacks in here and it was an
interesting lesson for me to learn. I wanted that part of the public record so that maybe some of
my fellow commissioners would also notice that. Also, a question about the flag lots and the
private drive lots. Can we include conditions that restrict how they're oriented on those lots?
I'm thinking about that Creekside home where there's a front door in somebody's back yard
because the house is oriented funny on the lot. Can we include a condition about orientation?
Kirchoff: We could. However Lot 8, which is I believe the one you're speaking about. It would
be logical for the back of the house to overlook the lake, not towards the side of the house.
Kind: But like the front, that one's probably not as big of a deal to me as number 5. Or number,
actually number 6 on Block 2. They could put their front door in number 5's back yard if they
oriented the house differently. So it would be acceptable or legal for us to include conditions
about home orientation?
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Al-Jaff: The way the ordinance reads is you have a buildable area. It doesn't talk about how you
should orient the house.
Kind: Right, which is I think what happened in Creekside. There was no rules about how to
orient it and the builder or homeowner decided to turn the house on the house pad. I think they
look fine the way they're shown on this plat but somebody else might decide they want to put
their front door facing house number 5.
Kirchoff: The applicant had spoken to me today regarding this issue and they indicated to us that
they would be placing the homes.
Kind: In a normal way?
Kirchoff: That fashion on the lot. Not guaranteeing exac~ly where the garage would be on the
site but that configuration. That the front door would be facing, or the garage would be facing
this direction.
Kind: Okay.
Kirchoff: Using logic.
Kind: Yeah, I mean to me any logical person would never have done what was done at
Creekside though. So I'm trying to avoid that happening again. So it would be okay to include a
condition to that?
Peterson: I doubt it.
Kind You doubt it? Okay. I'll put it under my strongly consider that.
Peterson: Exactly.
Kind: Oh and then speaking of private drives, is there a rule as far as how many homes can be
serviced by a private drive?
Kirchoff: Yes. The subdivision ordinance says four homes.
Kind: Really?
Kirchoff: Yes.
Kind: Interesting. And then future 101 will be coming in along the back side of I, 2 and 3 on
the west side. Will those homeowners be notified that, where lO I is going to be? Is that part of
a waiver that they need to sign with the city or how does that work?
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Kirchoff: It's included into the conditions and then into the developers agreement that those
homeowners when they're purchased will be informed. The developers agreement is recorded
against the property so any future homeowners purchasing this property, doing their due
diligence will locate that agreement.
Kind: Did I miss that? Is that condition in here?
Kirchoff: It's in the agreement. The developers agreement.
Kind: Which we don't see?
Peterson: No.
Kind: Okay, thank you.
Peterson: Other questions?
Conrad: Sure. Cindy, when we made the motion to approve, when this came in before a couple
months ago, we did have some recommendations. I don't know what they were. I'm curious if
they were incorporated.
Kirchoff: The main condition was the exterior of the proposed home.
Conrad: Well, we had some conditions on the flag lot. That Block I, number 8 in terms of
screening. We had some conditions for Block 2, Lots 5, 6 and 7 in terms ofthe screening for the
neighbors in terms of where the drive came in. I'm just curious how you handled those.
Kirchoff: In that particular proposal it was a PUD so we could request additional screening.
This is a straight subdivision.
Conrad: And we don't have that control, okay.
Kirchoff: Yes.
Conrad: Mr. Chairman, just one more question. The reason the City Council did not like what
we sent forward was what? Density?
Kirchoff: The comprehensive plan change was a big concern. And also the transition between
the existing homes in Mission Hills and then the townhomes that were proposed.
Conrad: Okay.
Kirchoff: They did like the proposal itself. They thought it was a fine addition to the
community. However they were concerned about the comprehensive plan change. They wanted
to make sure it was within that low density range.
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Conrad: Okay.
Peterson: Okay, other questions? Okay, thank you. Would the applicant or their designee wish
to address the commission? If so, please come forward and state your name and address please.
Steve Kroiss: Good evening. Steve Kroiss with MSS Holdings. Thank you for looking at our
proposal again tonight. As you are well aware, we did promote this as a PUD before. . . with the
neighbors and everything, it just didn't seem to work out so here we are with a single family
subdivision. The biggest thing that I really want to address with everybody here is the fact that
all our lots are meeting all the necessary requirements. All the side setbacks. Front setbacks.
Everything we had done here meeting all the city requirements. I've even gone so far as to
actually show homes that we have done in the past so these are very realistic pads with the homes
that we'll work on the pads that may go out there. These homes will probably be in about 1,700
to 2,800 square foot range. We'll probably end up doing some ramblers and two story. Price
range will run from anywhere from $200 to about $450. Probably two's on the, facing lOl and
obviously the four's abutting Marsh Glen. Really I don't have a lot of other things to say at this
time other than the fact that we will work with staff. I am working with my engineer now. I
know that this pond will work. There will not be a need for a second pond. I've already talked
to Dave Hempel a little bit more about that and I don't think that's going to be a problem at all. .
We will be screening out here as well with a berm and landscaping along lOJ. I've also worked
with Todd Hoffman over at Park and Rec and we have come to an agreement that we are actually
going to be putting the trail down between our houses to connect to the future trail and to the
park system. So we have no, I'll leave it at that if you have any questions for me.
Peterson: Okay, thank you. Questions of the applicant?
Kind: Yes Mr. Chair. On page 2, Sheet Number 2 of5, it's been labeled the utility plans. For
me that's the easiest one to look at because that's got the houses on it. Lot number 5 on Block 2,
see the rear yard setback is to the south and so should that be 30 feet? That setback line be 30
feet?
Steve Kroiss: That is correct. That is 30 feet.
Kind: Tell me which lines are the setback lines.
Steve Kroiss: Oh, she's over here. Yes, that is 30 feet. Are you referring to here?
Kind: The dark lines are the building pads, right?
Steve Kroiss: Yes.
Kind: And then there's a dotted line that indicates the setback? That's at least what the arrow
says, setback line.
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Steve Kroiss: Oh, this is an easement line that's allowed through all of the properties. So are
you asking me what my setback is here?
Kind: I'm guessing it's 30 feet.
Steve Kroiss: Yes.
Kind: That bold line.
Steve Kroiss: That is correct. That is 30 feet.
Kind: And then what's labeled as the setback line, what I'm trying to clarify and to a potential
homeowner and to where they can put their deck.
Steve Kroiss: Oh, the decks? You would still have enough room here. You've got to realize
that this house may not be the house that will be built.
Kind: Right.
Steve Kroiss: We have over, I think I've got like 55 feet here to work with so we're a custom
builder. We would make that work out so they would not have an issue with that.
Kind: As far as clear communication though to a client, they need to know that that should be 30
feet from that property line. The setback.
Steve Kroiss: They will definitely know that, yes.
Kind: And then the same issue on Lot 1, Block 2. That home is on the corner and so it needs to
be 30 feet off of both streets?
Steve Kroiss: Yes it is. The computer has made an error there. They have not shown the side
setback and what would be abutting the Mission Hills. And we apologize for that but even with
that you will have over 70 feet to make a house work.
Kind: I just want to make sure.
Steve Kroiss: It's a computer error mostly.
Kind: Yeah. And then Cindy mentioned that you would like to put the trail between Lot 3 and 4.
Steve Kroiss: That is correct.
Kind: And would it go through the wetland or kind of skirt around it?
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Steve Kroiss: No, no. It will skirt, we'll skirt around the wetland here. I actually did a little
drawing for Todd and Todd was acceptable... That's what it would look like.
Kind: So that will go quite a bit into that person's property, of Lot 4?
Steve Kroiss: No, really it just touches the edge of it here. What you see here, we've already
been working on revisions. The new lot lines are really going to be here along the wetland so
this, it's been revised already and so you're looking at what would be the new revision.
Kind: And will there be monuments out at the corners so the homeowners know where they can
mow to? This kind of came up with Longacres. People seemed to mow further into the wetland
and put swingsets and things.
Steve Kroiss: I believe there are posts now that are usually put for wetland areas showing the
wetlands. They do that in other places so I'm assuming the city is going to require us to do it
here. I don't have a problem with that.
Kind: Is that something that we require?
AI-JaIT: Our ordinance requires wetland buffer monumentation so we could incorporate those
into the plan.
Kind: And then I noticed on the landscape plan that there is no landscape berm between, you
mentioned that you were going to put one in between that private drive and the adjoining
property. But it's not on the landscape plan.
Steve Kroiss: You mean over here?
Kind: Right.
Steve Kroiss: No. We're putting a landscape berm over here on 10I.
Kind: Okay. I thought I heard you say along the private drive so glad I asked. So what the
landscape plan shows is what you're going to do. Okay. Oh, on Lot number 5. Maybe this is a
staff question, I'm not sure but on Lot number 5, Block 2, the depth is supposed to be 125 feet.
When I measure it I come up with 114. How do you measure a lot that's irregularly shaped like
that?
Kirchoff: We take this distance and this distance and average it. ¡fit's not a nice rectangular
shaped or square lot, it can be a little more difficult.
Kind: Because of the angle though you don't get nearly that depth that's kind of the spirit of the
rule I don't think.
Steve Kroiss: What the depth is is what you're asking?
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Kind: Yes, of Lot number 5. Our ordinance requires 125. Do you measure it from the curb?
Steve Kroiss: 112.
Kind: Right, which is short because we require 125. If from the middle it's 112, 114, something
like that. To me that's how I would measure it. I think that one's a little short. That's the one
that I'm concerned about seeing a variance for a deck on in a few months because they're not
going to have room. And I'll just keep going, is that okay? I have a couple of nits to add. The
lake is labeled as Marsh Glen Lake. The name of the lake is Rice Marsh Lake and I think it
should be changed on the plat to be what the real name of the lake is. I know that's a nit but
there's some confusion in our neighborhood as to what the name of the creek behind us was. A
lot of people assume it's Stone Creek. Some people in Trotter's Ridge think it's Bridle Creek
and it's really Bluff Creek. And if neighbors had known that that was Bluff Creek, their ears
would have perked up for Bluff Creek Overlay District but they thought they were living on
Stone Creek and were very surprised to find out it was actually Bluff Creek. So I think the name
of the lake needs to be right so homeowners know what lake they're on and if there's any stuff
happening on Rice Marsh Lake, they'll know what their lake is. A property line for Lot II,
Block 2, that's that funky shaped lot. I call it the funky shaped lot. Could it be revised so that
the back lot line is off that point rather than having a little triangle shape for that homeowner to
mow or figure out where their property is?
Steve Kroiss: You mean here?
Kind: Yep.
Steve Kroiss: Sure. I suppose as long as we meet the requirement of the size of lots.
Kind: Yeah, it's 18,000. It seems like it wouldn't.
Steve Kroiss: I think we can accommodate it.
Kind: I know I can't make you do that but ljust kind of aesthetics wise and knowing, trying to
figure out where to mow.
Steve Kroiss: Cindy, it all depends whether that can still be considered the rear lot line there. Or
rear yard. I only say that if it can be considered still as a rear yard.
Kind: Yeah. Since there's an angle there I'm sure it can.
Kirchoff: This area right here would be considered a rear yard. ..
Kind: It would be straight.
Steve Kroiss: Then I do have...
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Kind: It would not be straight. It would be a slight angle. Whatever. Whatever. I think it could
still be a rear but, yeah. I know how mowing in our neighborhood is. I would hate to mow a lot
that that's shape. And speaking oflot shapes, number 7, Block J. That house, the orientation I
understand probably preserves some trees.
Steve Kroiss: Yes, we'd like to preserve some trees. To be honest with you, this particular lot
probably could handle several different types of homes. Ijust happened to put that one up there.
We could do a courtyard. I have choices there.
Kind: It just seems aligned a little funny to me and I thought it was to preserve the trees.
Steve Kroiss: I'll probably have a few trees in there that I'd want to take into consideration.
Kind: Yeah.
Steve Kroiss: Trees are an issue here. I want to save as many as I can. That's what is so
important along here especially.
Kind: I really appreciate that effort because I love the trees in our neighborhood and what's sad
in our neighborhood, and I'm afraid it's going to happen here is that the homes that were oriented
around trees, now look kind of funny because the trees have died and are gone.
Steve Kroiss: Along here you have, there are some really awesome trees.
Kind: Yeah, it's beautiful and I appreciate that. I just want to caution you against two goofy
positioning of homes and then you end up with nO...That's aliI have for now.
Peterson: Any other questions?
Sidney: Yes Mr. Chair. The applicant. One of the conditions in the staff report addresses a
change or a revision in the plan schedule. Are you okay with revising the landscape plan?
Steve Kroiss: Oh absolutely.
Sidney: You have?
Steve Kroiss: We're already in the works of doing that to accommodate the tree loss and so on
and so forth, so yes we have.
Sidney: Okay, and then also I guess I was prepared to modify that condition so that it included
an instruction to have a detailed tree preservation plan.
Steve Kroiss: We will have that.
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Sidney: You will have that? Okay.
Steve Kroiss: Yes. That's part of our.
Sidney: Very good.
Peterson: Thank you.
Steve Kroiss: Thank you.
Peterson: Any more questions?
Sacchet: Yeah, I have one more question.
Peterson: Wait, wait. We've got one more question.
Sacchet: Can I ask you one more question. With the path going between those two lots, does
that affect the width of the lot at all?
Steve Kroiss: The what of the lot?
Sacchet: The width.
Steve Kroiss: No. It's, what the city's asking for is a 20 foot easement to go through there which
actually works out so my buildable pad that would work right between that and it's an 8 foot
trail. It wasn't exactly my desire but I'm working with staff on that and the city would like to see
that and so I'm going to work with the city on that. It seemed to be the most logical place to go
through.
Sacchet: And you're confident you can do that without having to revise?
Steve Kroiss: Yeah, and it works out the best for elevations too. The elevation is somewhat...
through there. I mean it's the least break.
Sacchet: What kind of jumped out at me is, by having the Lot 8 being a little too narrow and
then having the path having to go in, and then potentially needing another pond. It all kind of
adds up a little bit and ultimately would probably translate into losing a lot for you. Now you're
totally confident that you can do without that second pond?
Steve Kroiss: Yes. We have actually worked out the numbers, the calculations so we know that
it will work.
Sacchet: Because I think it would also play into the issue with the tree cover percentage. Like if
that has to be revised and you're pretty much at the limit already, if you would have all these
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other components, have one lot less, you probably could make a better tree cover percentage that
way too.
Steve Kroiss: No, we'll be just fine. We'll make our tree, the amount of trees against, the
ponding will be. It will work out just fine. And we have no need for a second pond. We've
already worked on it so.
Sacchet: Okay. That answers my question, thanks.
Peterson: Okay, thank you. Motion and a second for a public hearing please.
Kind moved, BIackowiak seconded to open the public hearing. The public hearing was
opened.
Peterson: It's been moved and seconded. This is a public hearing. Anyone wishing to address
the commissioners please come forward and state your name and address please.
Tony Ferguson: Good evening. My name is Tony Ferguson. I live at 8495 Mission Hills Lane.
And I can point to that on the map. This is my home. Mr. Chairman, council members. I have
some brief comments to make regarding the plan. First I want to express that I have had the
opportunity to review the preliminary plat and speak with Mr. Kroiss in an informal meeting
prior to this meeting about my feelings. I'd like to take this opportunity to express my feelings to
you as well. I have sent an e-mail into the city regarding my thoughts and feelings. First I guess
I would like to compliment Mr. Kroiss for working on, working with the city planners and
putting together a very nice single family home. It's a much better plan than, I feel than was
previously presented. The new plan provides much better continuity with the existing homes and
falls within the current zoning which is also a nice, which is what the residents asked for.
However there is one issue that remains and this is not a new item as it was also expressed as a
concern during the proceedings related to the original plan. On Lot 8, Block I, in this area of the
plan, there is a flag lot with a home that is completely out of place and contrary to the orientation
of the original, to the other homes in the neighborhood, this home is tucked back behind the other
h"mes and has the appearance of being in our back yards. From my back yard I'll be looking
into the front of this home and also from Block 1, Lot 7, they'll have a home situated in the rear
of their lots similar to what you find on Stone Creek, and I think that was the home that was
referred to earlier in our discussions. Which is completely out of place in that position. So I
would like to state that I am completely opposed to the layout of that one lot and would like to
see that eliminated and I would request to the council to please eliminate that lot from the plan
and provide a more consistent look, more consistent curb appeal and alignment of the homes
along the street in that area. Thank you for your consideration.
Peterson: Thank you. Anyone else?
Penny White: Hi. My name's Penny White and I live at 450 Mission Hills Court, and I'm right
here on the map. I just have a question and it might be in the staff report. I have not looked at it
yet but I'm wondering if the sight lines at this curve have, I'm just, because I had trouble figuring
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out... I'm wondering how sharp of a curve that is coming in. Is it like a direct right turn? And
I'm just curious just for a safety issue. Who to ask best of staff or to ask the developer.
Peterson: Teresa, can you speak to that?
Burgess: I'm not sure what the actual design speed is on there but it is looked at when it comes
in as a public street for meeting sight lines and that is purposely set back... When it comes in for
final plans we will be looking at it as well. But I know that Dave Hempel as part of his review to
look at the street as being a safe street. So we are aware of it.
Penny White: What if just by chance, when he does look at it they decide it's not safe, is there
even any room for them to do anything? I mean do they just still go forward with it or how do
they, because this is you know, there's not a lot of room for them to push it back this way into the
wetland. I mean not that they'd push the road back that far but you can't push the homes back
any further. So I just wonder, I mean I guess I feel like probably nothing would really happen
because there's nowhere to move it so.
Burgess: The review would have been done with the preliminary plat.. .at that time. I didn't go
through the actual review on this plan. Dave Hempel, our Assistant City Engineer would have
looked at that and he would have been looking at for design speeds to make sure that it can meet
the design speeds of the neighborhood. If there is a problem in the future once it's constructed ~
and you start to see a problem, people are going around this corner too quickly, we would address
that working with the neighborhood. And we would try to work with them to find out why
there's a problem and address the cause...
Penny White: Okay. And then I just had one other question, just an aesthetics question, and
maybe no one can even answer. I'Ip wondering if we have, you know there's a lot of trees back
here. I'm wondering if you know how many will be going, just for planning. We're planting.
This is petty but we're plenty things back there so we just kind of know ifthere's still going to be
a lot of shade or is it going to be gone. .. .Are they marked by any chance?
SIeve Kroiss: Yes they are. Any trees that are marked are significant trees and will be preserved
or taken out depending. In your particular case there probably is not going to be any need to take
down trees except for what will need to make the road right-of-way. ... we would save those
trees.
Penny White: Okay. I was just curious... paint on there or?
Steve Kroiss: No, there's actually a metal tag.. . and the significant trees are numbered.
Penny White: Okay, that's all. Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for your time.
Peterson: Thank you. Anyone else? Motion to close?
Burton moved, Kind seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed.
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Peterson: Commissioners, your thoughts on this one? Second time around. No thoughts?
Sidney: Looks good to me.
Peterson: Deb.
Kind: I'm wondering if staff could speak to flag lots and when they're allowed and not allowed
and private drives. I'm concerned about Mr. Ferguson's situation and also the private drive lots
too. As long as they meet the square footage for the lot size, that's kind of the measure, is that
how it works?
Al-Jaff: There are a couple of criteria they need to meet. 30 foot frontage on a public street.
Then wherever they reach the 100 foot width, that's where we measure the 30 foot setback. I
mean basically that was the only two conditions. Those were the only two conditions for a flag
lot. They were intended for long lots that were farmed many years back and then someone wants
to sell it and build on it. I don't know if you have specific questions on flag lots.
Kind: I share his issue. Flag lots just kind of bug me. They're like, just sticking them in there
and if! had bought the home, Mr. Ferguson's home, I would have never dreamed in a million
years that there would have been a house kind of shoe horned in back there. And I guess with the
new high water mark that we're measuring from, does that lot still meet the 15,000 number? The
way we're not measuring the lot sizes.
Kirchoff: The applicant will have to demonstrate that it does. Otherwise it will have to be
removed from the plat.
Kind: Okay.
Peterson: Other questions or comments?
Kind: I'll just keep going. I think the plan is, meets all our setbacks. All our ordinance rules. I
think it's pretty clear that it does. I may not like some of the rules that it meets but not my
choice. There's a couple conditions that I think need to be added that LuAnn pointed out and the
plan needs to be revised to include the right setbacks. But otherwise I think staff did a good job
with the report. Everything looks good.
Peterson: Okay, other comments? Cindy.
Kirchoff: I just have a comment regarding Lot 5, Block 2 that Commissioner Kind brought up.
We could put a condition of approval that says the applicant shall demonstrate that Lot 5 has 125
feet of depth as you had mentioned.
Kind: Yeah. Measured from where?
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Kirchoff: We could, right down the middle as you had shown.
Kind: Okay.
Kirchoff: Could you shorten the cul-de-sac perhaps? We can add that in as a condition.
Kind: Yep, good.
Blackowiak: Mr. Chair, I just have a couple of comments. I would like to see a condition
addressing the second NURP pond. Something to the effect that the applicant must add a second·
NURP pond unless they can satisfactorily demonstrate that a single pond will suffice. And I'd
also like to see a condition regarding the wetland buffer monuments and just incorporate that into
the record. I like the Lot 5, Block 2 comment regarding depth. And I too am not a big fan of flag
lots and I'd certainly like to see 7 and 8 combined in some way and things shifted. I don't know
that that can happen but 8 seems just like an after thought. It's not you know it's there to squeeze
an extra house in and that's, other than that I don't see it really serves a purpose to, kind of an
after thought to the neighborhood. That's how I see it. But aside from that, with those couple
conditions, it meets the requirements.
Peterson: Other comments?
Burton: Mr. Chairman. I agree with the comments. I'm not really going to duplicate them and
just to have something on the record, I'm not happy with Block 1, Lot 8 either but it does appear
that it's met the zoning requirements so I don't know there's much we can do about it.
Peterson: Okay.
Sacchet: Talking about this flag lot. Personally I feel it's a little bit jammed and I think it's
inconsistent with having a price range of close to half a million dollar house back there. I think if
you're aiming at having houses back there against a marsh that are approaching half a million
dollar value, it would be much more consistent in giving them a little more space. That in
addition to jamming in a path which probably will work, but that also I consider inconsistent
with trying to make them a little higher value homes. Plus the question with the pond is still
being open. I do feel it's crowded. That stretch. That's really the best part of your development
there which is a wonderful development I think. There could be a value in leveraging it as high
value as.
Steve Kroiss: Are you inviting a comment from me?
Peterson: Well, we're just planting seeds.
Sacchet: That's my comment.
Peterson: Thank you. Anything Ladd? I'll entertain a motion.
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Kind: Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion. The Planning Commission recommends approval of
the preliminary plat (SUB 00-1) to subdivide 13.41 acres into 19 single family lots and two
outlots as shown on the plans prepared April 10, 2000 with the following conditions, I through
27 with a few additions. Number 7 be revised to say, a detailed tree preservation plan and a
revised landscaping plan including a greater variety of trees and shrubs should be submitted to
staff for approval. Are you adding that to that one LuAnn?
Sidney: That's it.
Kind: That's it. Okay, for number 7. Number 20 should be revised to indicate that the trail
easement will be between Lot 3 and 4. Okay, moving right along. Number, and adding a
number 28 that says homes on the flag lot and private drive lots must be oriented as shown on the
approved plat. Number 29. Or wait, we decided I couldn't say that didn't we? Never mind. Not
28. Strongly encourage you to do that. 28. Revise the plat to show increased depth of 125 feet
and show a 30 foot rear yard setback for Lot 5, Block 2. And revise the plat to show a 30 foot
setback for both street frontages on Lot I, Block 2. And then number 30. Correct the name of
the lake to Rice Marsh Lake on all plans.
Peterson: Is there a second?
Conrad: Second.
Peterson: It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion?
Blackowiak: Is this the time where I'd like to make my amendments? My friendly amendments.
I think it would be 31 and 32. Is that where I'm at?
Kind: Yep.
Blackowiak: 31 would be to add the second NURP pond unless the applicant can satisfactorily
demonstrate the single pond will suffice.
Kind: I think that's number 30.
Blackowiak: That would be 31 I believe.
Kind: I only added two.
Burton: Well we can just say the next number.
Blackowiak: Okay, the next number. Somebody else can renumber. And then the final
condition that I'll add was that wetland buffer monuments be placed on all applicable lots to
delineate property lines...
Kind: Thank you for remembering that. Friendly amendments accepted.
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Peterson: An additional point of discussion. I'm a little bit leery about Block 2, Lot 5 when we
say we're going to reposition to meet that setback or to meet the 125 feet. I'm leery to say we're
requiring that without knowing the impact of moving it. rfwe move it, whether it would change
the cul-de-sac, r don't want us to force to move it back at the cost of, at a more significant cost.
Kind: Our ordinance requires 125 foot depth.
Peterson: Well but historically, we just changed the way we measured tonight. r don't know
whether that's the most prudent way to move ahead. rfwe historically have always measured it
the other way than we just made a pretty dramatic change tonight and I don't know whether or
not we should be doing that. I'm just leery about, if we force that, what's this going to look like
up here and we won't be able to see it. It could be more onerous than the other way.
Kind: r get your drift.
Peterson: And I don't know the answer to that but it could potentially be a big change.
Kind: It's off by about lO feet right now. It's 114. They need to add II feet or.
Peterson: Maybe would you be open to letting staff and the applicant work together on that with
the desire to do that unless it's onerous the opposing way?
Kind: So revise that number 28 to have staff and the applicant review the depth of Lot 5, Block 2
and make sure it meets ordinance.
Peterson: With a desire to move it to 125, if at all possible.
Blackowiak: Mr. Chairman. lfwe're approving this and it doesn't meet it, don't we have to
have a variance?
Peterson: Well if we considered measuring it in the first way, it met it.
Blackowiak: Did it? Okay, is that true?
Kirchoff: Yes.
Peterson: And that's the way we've measured lots before so again I'm just concerned that we
make a unilateral change about how we measure lots across the city tonight.
Blackowiak: Yeah. Well then r would certainly concur with you saying staff and applicant work
together.
Peterson: Okay. Any further discussion?
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Kind moved, Conrad seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval ofthe
preliminary plat (SUB #00-1) to subdivide 13.41 acres into 19 single family lots and 2
outlots as shown on the plans prepared April 10, 2000, with the following conditions:
J. The property lines for Lot 3, Block 2 shall be revised to maintain the required 90 foot
width at the 30 foot setback.
2. Outlot B shall be extended south and west to the 75 foot buffer indicated on the
preliminary plat. It shall be demonstrated that Lots 4-8, Block I maintain the minimum
15,000 sq. ft. lot area and 90 foot lot width as required by the shoreland ordinance.
3. The property lines for Lot 8, Block 1 shall be revised to maintain a minimum 100 feet of
width.
4. All signage shall comply with Article XXVI of the City Code.
5. Park and trail fees are required. Park fees are $1,200 per dwelling unit and trail fees are
$400 per dwelling unit. One-third of these fees are required with the final plat and the
remaining two-thirds will be paid with each building permit. The applicant can
coordinate this construction and be credited appropriately.
6. The canopy calculations shall be revised to reflect the full potential of grading impacts to
tree loss or the applicant shall provide other documents to support proposed calculations.
7. A detailed tree preservation plan and a revised landscaping plan including a greater
variety of trees and shrubs should be submitted to stafffor approval.
8. Buffer yard plantings shall be increased to meet minimum ordinance requirements.
9. One hundred percent screening shall be installed along Lot I, Block I and Lots 1-3,
Block 2 to provide buffering from future TH 101.
10. The Fire Marshall conditions are as follows:
a. On Block 2, Lots 6 and 7, additional address numbers must comply with the
Chanhassen Fire Department policy regarding premise identification pursuant to
Policy #29-1992. Submit plans to the Chanhassen Fire Marshal and Chanhassen
Building Official for review and approval.
b. When fire protection including fire apparatus access roads and water supplies for
fire protection are required to be installed, such protection shall be installed and
made serviceable prior to and during the time of construction. Pursuant to 1997
Uniform Fire Code Section 901.3.
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c. A ten-foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants i.e. street lamps,
trees, shrubs, bushes, NSP, US West, Cable TV and transformer boxes. This is to
ensure that fire hydrants can be quickly and safely operated by firefighters.
Pursuant to Chanhassen City Ordinance 9-1.
d. If any trees or shrubs are to be removed, they must either be chipped or hauled off
site due to close proximity of neighboring homes. No burning permits will be
issued.
e. Additional fire hydrants will be required. Two will need to be relocated. This will
be reviewed with the City Engineer and corrections will be made on his plan.
II. All areas disturbed as a result of construction activities shall be immediately restored with
seed and disc-mulched or wood fiber blanket or sod within two weeks of completion of
each activity in accordance with the City's Best Management Practice Handbook.
12. All utility and street improvements shall be constructed in accordance with the latest
edition of the City's Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. Detailed construction
plans and specifications shall be submitted for staff review and City Council approval.
The construction plans and specifications will need to be submitted a minimum of three
weeks prior to final consideration.
13. The applicant shall provide detailed storm sewer calculations for 10 year and 100 year
storm events and provide ponding calculations for stormwater quality/quantity ponds in
accordance with the City's Surface Water Management Plan for the City Engineer to
review and approve. The applicant shall provide detailed pre-developed and post-
developed storm water calcµlations for 100 year storm events and normal water level and
high water level calculations between each catch basin segment will also be required to
determine if sufficient catch basins are being utilized. In addition, water quality ponding
design calculations shall be based on Walker's Pondnet Model. Emergency overflows
from all storm water ponds and wetlands will also be required on the plans.
14. The applicant will be responsible for a $19,918.80 water quantity connection fee and
$8,048 for water quality fees due payable to the city at the time of final plat recording.
15. The applicant shall enter into a development contract with the City and provide the
necessary financial security to guarantee compliance with the terms of the development
contract.
16. The applicant shall apply for and obtain permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies
i.e. Minnesota Department of Transportation, Watershed District, Metropolitan
Environmental Service Commission, Minnesota Department of Health, and Minnesota
Pollution Control Agency and comply with their conditions of approval.
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17. No berming or landscaping shall be permitted within the City's right-of-way. A 2%
boulevard grade must be maintained along the City's right-of-way.
18. The applicant shall report to the City Engineer the location of any drain tiles found during
construction and shall relocate or abandon the drain tile as directed by the City Engineer.
19. The drive aisle width on the private street shall be a minimum of20 feet wide bituminous
surface and built to 7 ton axle weight pursuant to Ordinance 18-57 0-1 and 20-110 I. On
street parking on the private street shall be prohibited. Cross access easements and
maintenance agreements shall be prepared and recorded by the developer over Lots 5, 6
and 7, Block 2 in favor of the property owners. The minimum driveway easement width
shall be 30 feet wide.
20. The developer shall dedicate to the City a 20 foot wide trail easement between Lots 3 and
4, Block I to Outlot B. The exact alignment shall be determined in the field by staff.
Compensation for the easement shall be applied to the developer's trail fees.
21. The developer shall dedicate on the final plat the following easements to the City at no
cost:
a. A 50 foot wide drainage and utility easement over the existing sanitary sewer line
through Outlot A.
b. Utility and drainage easements over all utilities, storm water ponds and wetlands
outside of the right-of-way. The minimum easement width over the utilities shall be
20 feet wide depending on the depth of the utility. Drainage easements over all
ponds and wetlands shall be up to the 100 year flood level.
22. The plans shall be revised as follows:
a. The lowest floor elevation of all buildings adjacent to storm water ponds and
wetlands shall be a minimum of two feet above the 100 year flood level.
b. The street grade at the west end of Mission Hills Lane shall be lowered to 891± to
match grade with the future intersection of Trunk Highway 101 and Mission Hills
Lane.
c. Provide emergency overflow swales for all ponds.
d. Designate dwelling types on grading plan, i.e. walkout, lookout, and rambler with
lowest floor, t.op of block and garage floor elevations.
e. Show existing structures and well location on grading plan.
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f. The sanitary sewer and watermain lines through Outlot A and the City's property
(underneath future Trunk Highway 101) shall be cased.
g. Provide ponding in accordance with NURP standards for development runoff. Pond
slopes shall be 3: I with a 10:1 bench for the first one foot depth of water or 4:1
slopes overall.
h. Denote Lots 6-8, Block 1 as "custom graded" on the grading plan.
1. Tree preservation fencing will need to be denoted on the final grading and drainage
plan.
J. Show a rock construction entrance at access points to the site.
23. All lots, except the first building permit, shall be subject to current City sewer and water
hook-up charges. The hook-up charges are due at time of building permit issuance.
24. The developer and future property owners should be aware there may not be any noise
abatement improvements constructed in conjunction with the upgrade of Trunk Highway
10J. Provisions for noise abatement (landscaping/berming) should be included in these
development plans.
25. Mission Hills Lane is a temporary dead end street. In the future when Trunk Highway
lO I is upgraded to urban standards Mission Hills Lane will be connected.
26. Lots 6, 7 and 8, Block I shall be custom graded at time of building permit issuance. A
detailed grading, drainage, (ree removal and erosion control plan shall be submitted to the
city for review and approvaì ·at time of building permit application.
27. The applicant shall be responsible for obtaining and complying with the appropriate
building permits for demolition of the building, disconnection of the sanitary sewer and
well abandonment.
28. Staff and the applicant shall work together to ensure that the depth of Lot 5, Block 2
meets the ordinance, and to show a 30 foot rear yard setback for Lot 5, Block 2,
The applicant will also revise the plat to show a 30 foot setback for both street
. frontages on Lot 1, Block 2.
29. Correct the name of the lake to Rice Marsh Lake on all plans.
30. The applicant shall add a second NURP pond unless the applicant can satisfactorily
demonstrate the single pond will suffice.
31. Wetland buffer monuments be placed on all applicable lots to delineate the property
lines.
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All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: LuAnn Sidney noted the Minutes of the Planning Commission
meeting dated May 3, 2000 as presented.
ONGOING ITEMS.
Kind: I have a question. Do we elect our chair today? And Vice Chair?
Peterson: No.
Kind: When do we do that?
Peterson: Next time.
Sidney: I'm wondering when these items that were deleted will be back.
Kirchoff: Thank you for asking. They will be on the next Planning Commission meeting which
is now moved to Tuesday so it will be on June 6th.
Sidney: Okay.
Kind: We're meeting on Tuesdays now?
Kirchoff: Yes.
Kind: Forever and ever?
Kirchoff: Yes.
Kind: I must have missed that meeting.
Peterson: Did you get my e-mail?
Kind: No.
Peterson: You're the only one who didn't respond to my e-mail.
Kind: I bet you have an old e-mail address.
Peterson: I got it from Kate.
Kind: Doesn't mean it's any good. I did not get that e-mail.
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Peterson: Is Tuesday an issue?
Kind: No.
Peterson: Open Discussion. Anything?
Kind: Yes. I have something that I want to hand out. This is kind of a synopsis from our joint
meeting with the City Council of some of the items that we discussed and some potential projects
for our planning department. And I don't know that it makes sense to discuss them tonight but I
wanted to kind of jot them down and maybe include this as an item under old business at a future
meeting for discussions as to whether we should direct staff to work on any of these projects or
not.
Peterson: I think it's a great idea. I also kind of followed up with the Mayor afterwards and I
think that we have an opportunity as a commission to be, as Ladd said it very well, be more
proactive and think about the future instead of thinking about today and what's in front of us and
being forced into having a developer come in and say I'm ready to do this now but I have to do it
this way otherwise I'll move. So if we accept those parameters, and prior to the developer
coming in, they would know a lot more and we would have gotten probably a better product. I
think it's a great idea and we just, we as a group should probably dedicate some quality time to,
whether it's a strategic planning session or just talking about those kind of issues, you know off
the record and I think it'd be extremely valuable to set aside time to do that.
Kind: Do we have a work session coming up that it makes sense to do that?
Peterson: We haven't got one scheduled now but it's on the thing that I'll talk to Kate about
getting one in there. During one of the low meetings.
Kind: So what do you think makes sense for next steps for addressing some of these ideas? And
I know other people have other ideas I'm sure too. Should this be put on our next agenda?
Pderson: You know I think a work session is about the only effective way to do that. I don't
think public meeting is going to really have the right tone and context of the meeting. I think it's
a matter of sitting down and going through these items and others and saying, how can we as a
group of people help the city staff through some ofthese issues and how can we give them
recommendations so I'd say we have a work session that's not a public hearing and push it
forward then.
Kind: And how do we, just direct staff to set up a work session for one of our next meetings?
Yeah, okay. And hopefully this makes people think of other ideas. You know you read this and
say oh yeah. That reminds me of this or that and we can come up with a really long, long list of
things for staff to do.
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Conrad: Well the good thing that you should be doing is, tonight your issue was flag lots. That
strikes something, you should direct staff to come back. You know we don't have to do all 20
things at one time.
Kind: Right. And you notice flag lots is at the bottom of my list there.
Conrad: Well they're always an issue. They look out of sorts but there is a purpose for them, but
again flag lots is an issue so when it comes up in a project, deal with it. Have staff work on it.
We don't direct staff to do squat.
Kind: I know.
Conrad: We really don't. Really, they're doing what they want to do. And they love it. They
just love it. They're totally in control of the seven of us. But ask them to do some research for
you.
Kind: Weill think the flag lot one, since that came up tonight, I think maybe that might be a
good one to pull off of this laundry list I just passed around and have staff educate us a little bit
about it and make some recommendations on what can be done to avoid some of the problems.
Al-Jaff: A couple of years ago I did a paper on flag lots.
Kind: Well just pull it out then and photocopy it.
Conrad: Well you're done. It's over with.
Al-Jaff: I can have it ready for you by next meeting.
Kind: That would be great. So that's my new stuff.
Peterson: Good work.
Kind: And Pulte status? Eckankar update? I'm interested. Nothing?
Kirchoff: Eckankar is scheduled to be on the council meeting next Monday night. Pulte, they
haven't submitted new plans as far as I know.
AI-Jaff: Power Ridge is coming back.
Kind: Who?
Al-Jaff: Powers Ridge.
Kind: What?
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AI-Jaff: The site plan for the rest of the buildings.
Kind: Oh, we only did building.
Al-Jaff: You did Building A.
Peterson: A and B I thought.
Al-Jaff: A only so they're coming back with B, C, D and the community space.
Peterson: But we've essentially seen.
Al-Jaff: You're seeing everything.
Peterson: But we saw everything before.
Al-Jaff: Correct. And there was a condition that it be consistent with the master plan. So it's
going to be a straight site plan.
Kirchoff: That will be on the next agenda by the way. On June 6th.
Kind: On Tuesday.
Kirchoff: On Tuesday. And there will be a conditional use permit as well so there will be four
items on the next agenda.
Blackowiak: I'm sorry, what was that?
Kirchoff: There will be a conditional use permit as well for a contractor's yard so we'll have
four items on the next agenda.
Chairman Peterson adjourned the Planning Commission meeting at 8:00 p.m.
Submitted by Kate Aanenson
Community Development Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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