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May 8, 2000
Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Section 20-908. Yard Regulations
(5), To Allow Porches To Encroach 10 Feet Into A Required Front
Yard Setback and Section 20-1 Definitions.
A variance application appeared before the Planning Commission requesting they be
allowed to construct a porch within the required fÌ'ont yard setback. The home was
located in the Carver Beach subdivision, which is an area that predates the zoning
ordinance. Although the Planning Commission unanimously agreed that the porch
addition substantially improved the appearance of the house and defmed the
entrance into the home, they could not justifY granting a variance since there was no
hardship. Staff was directed to investigate amending thè ordinance to allow and
encourage such additions without having to go thröugh a variance process.
The. requested variance was for a porch that exceeded the 3 foot maximum
encroachment allowed by ordinance. It should be noted that there are homes with
porches throughout the city. Thè issue here is whether or not homes that existed
prior to the adoption of the zoning ordinance and want to add a porch should have to
go through the variance process.
All new housing (developed after adoption of the zoning ordinance), which have
fÌ'ont porches no matter the size, have to meet. the underlying setback requirements.
The intent of this ameIidment is to address existing homes, predating the zoning
ordinance, that want to add a fÌ'ont porch. The purpose of the porch/balcony is to
add architectural interest to older homes that may not have defined entrances.
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The current ordinance pertaining to porches states:
Sec. 20-908. Yard regulations
(5) The following shall not be considered to be obstructions:
a. "Into any required fÌ'ont yard, or required side yard adjoining a side
street lot line, cornices, canopies, eaves, or other architectural
features may project a distance not exceeding two (2) feet, six (6)
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inches; fire escapes may project a distance not exceeding four (4) feet, six (6)
inches; an uncovered stair and necessary landings may project a distance not to
exceed six (6) feet, provided such stair and landing shall not extend above the
entrance floor of the building; bay window, balconies, open porches and chimneys
may project a distance not exceeding three (3) feet; unenclosed decks and patios
may project a distance not exceeding five (5) feet and shall not be located in a
drainage and utility easement. Other canopies may be permitted by conditional use
permit."
c. Porches that encroach into the required fÌ'ont yard and which were in existence on
February 19, 1987, may be enclosed or completely rebuilt in the same location
provided that any porch that is to be completely rebuilt must have at least a ten-foot
minimum fÌ'ont yard.
Staff researched several home design books. Homes we selected incorporate porches in their
design. It can be assumed that the fÌ'ont yard setback on all those homes was 30 feet, which is the
required setback in the zoning ordinance. We then attempted to add the porch to the fÌ'Ont elevation
and see if the majority of these designs can be accommodated in Chanhassen. We also tried to
examine the aesthetics of having a projecting porch face a street. We assumed that these homes
were placed on a 15,000 square foot lot or maybe on a lot that is part of a PUD that has a reduced
area. A builder will attempt to maximize the square footage of a home by pushing the home as
close as possible to the 30 foot fÌ'Ont yard setback, place the home, then maximize the size of the
rear yard where most outdoors activities in Chanhassen take place.
The attached designs number 1 - 7, are designs that are permitted under the current fÌ'ont porch
standard. The common theme between these designs is that the location of the porch does not
extend beyond the fÌ'Ont elevation of the house.
Designs 8 - 20, would exceed the allowed 3 foot fÌ'ont yard encroachment permitted by ordinance.
All these porches are unenclosed, project up to 10 feet beyond the house fÌ'Ont elevation, and tend to
define the fÌ'ont entrance of the home. These designs tend to give the impression that the garage is
pushed to the back and hidden fÌ'Om views, allowing a passer by to focus on the livable space of the
structure. We need to point out that designs 8 - 18 do not extend beyond the first level where an
entry is located. Designs 19 and 20, still meet the definition of a porch, however, design 19 extends
up to the second floor, while design 20 contains a porch as well as a balcony. They are both open
structures.
All these designs can be considered attractive, however, as stated earlier, some of these designs are
not permitted under current ordinances due to setback requirements. The main concern with
allowing such projections deals with the size of the porch and the possibility of additional living
space closer to the street. If the porch extends along the entire length of the fÌ'ont facade, it will be
very tempting to enclose it to make the space more livable by adding screens or enclosing them.
Design # 11 has a porch that extends in fÌ'ont of a kitchen. Theoretically, this space could be
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enclosed and used as a breakfast area. We believe that such uses should not extend into a required
front yard setback. Rather than creating a setting that would encourage a flood of variances to
enclose porches within a fÌ'Ont yard setback, we believe this space should be limited in size allowing
for a small seating area, provide an added architectural feature, and define the entrance of the home.
This issue was discussed with the Planning Commission at their October 6, 1999 work session.
The commission unanimously agreed that the porch should not be limited in size.
On February 16, 2000, the Planning Commission reviewed and tabled action on this ordinance
amendment. Staff was directed to clarifY the intent of the ordinance and define open porches and
balconies. There was also a discussion regarding the size of the porch and if balconies should be
permitted.
To address these issues, we first defined balconies and open porches since there was no
definition of these two structures in the zoning ordinance (Chapter 20-1). We then limited the
type of porch (unenclosed) that may be permitted to encroach 10 feet into the required fÌ'ont yard.
Another concern the commission had was the mass of a balcony encroaching 10 feet into the
front yard. We limited the balconies to a platform with open railing only.
The language in the intent section that formerly limited the size of a porch was revised. The area
of the porch will be determined by the size of the front yard and the setback from the fÌ'ont
property line.
The following are the recommended changes:
Section 20-1 Definitions:
Balcony: A platform, minimum of 7'i2 feet above the ground, that projects from the wall of a
building and is surrounded by an open railing.
Open Porch: A roofed open area, attached to or part of, and with direct access to or from a
building. An open porch may be surrounded by a railing but must not be enclosed with screen,
mesh, glass, or similar material.
Sec.20-908. Yard Regulations:
f. "The intent of this section is to allow homes built prior to February 19,1987 to add an open
porch as an architectural feature to define the entrance into a residence or update a front
elevation.
f (1) Homes built prior to February 19, 1987 may have open porches and/or balconies that
encroach into the required fÌ'ont yard a distance not exceeding ten (10) feet, provided they
maintain a minimum fÌ'ont yard setback of20 feet. The ten (10) feet shall include the
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roofline, support columns, and steps. This area shall not be enclosed nor screened with
mesh, glass, or other similar material. Homes that are on the National Register listing or
have been considered eligible for listing on the National Register shall be excluded from
this ordinance unless approved by the National Historical Registrar's Office."
Homes that have been granted variances to build porches within a fÌ'ont yard setback:
6735 Nez Perce Drive (Variance was granted to allow the porch to encroach 8.5 feet into the
required fÌ'ont yard setback).
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May 8, 2000
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8028 Dakota Avenue (Before Porch Addition).
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May 8, 2000
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PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE
On April 19, 2000, the Planning Commission reviewed the item and unanimously recommended
approval.
RECOMMEND A nON:
Staff recommends the City Council adopt the following motion:
"The City Council approves the Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Section 20-1 Definitions and
Section 20-908. Yard Regulations as outlined in the staff report and shown in Attachment #5 and
approval of the summary ordinance for publication as shown in Attachment #6."
A IT ACHMENTS
1. Home Designs that include porches.
2. Porch variances that have been submitted to the City over the last two years.
3. Planning Commission minutes dated February 16,2000.
4. Planning Commission minutes dated April 19, 2000.
5. Ordinance Amendment.
6. Ordinance summary for publication.
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First Aoor: 1,820 square feet
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Total: 2,520 square feet
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lost to captivating,exterior styling. This house is but 38
feet wide. Its narrow width belies the tremendous amount
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porch/veranda contributes mightily to style as well as liv-
ability. The efficient, U·shape kitchen is nanked by the
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Square Footage: 1,299
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serving and eating counter. Note the use
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fireplace in this area. The master suite has
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Square Footage: 2,100
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with high-ceilinged spaces. The
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open to a den or study with a
twelve-foot ceiling. The splendid
great room sports a tray ceiling,
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Ho,",'CVer, except for the living room.
which can't help but remind us of an
old-fashioned parlor with it's double
doors. this house is thoroughly modem.
:High-ceilinged and bright, the kitchen.
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opens onto a wide deck. The first thing
you see. upon entering the home. is the
polished wood of a graceful open
stairwell. At the second floor landing,
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bedrooms are tucked away on the
second floor with a full bath. The
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large walk-in pantty and built-in desk.
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walk-in closet as well as a shower,
double vanities and ilS own access to
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PUBLIC HEARING:
CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 20-908. YARD REGULATIONS. (5), TO
ALLOW PORCHES TO ENCROACH 10 FEET INTO A REQUIRED FRONT YARD
SETBACK.
Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item.
Conrad: Questions of staff, anybody?
Kind: Yes. Bob, one of the applicants that kind of precipitated this whole investigation was this
Carver Beach applicant. Will they be notified of this change?
Generous: Oh that, thank you for. If this goes through we'll notifY everyone who either has been
denied or quit the process.
Kind: Good. Good. And you've got a good list then.
Generous: Yes.
Kind: Good. Glad to hear that. And then in the staff report it was mentioned that the possibility
to limit the porches to just the first floor. I'm interested in your perspective on that.
Generous: Well I love some of the designs you can do with a porch and then above that another
porch.
Kind: I think it's number 20.
Generous: Yes. We don't see a lot of that but I think that would be an enhancement to the
community if we would permit that. The only issue, you don't want them, again we're concerned
with then creating permanent living area.
Kind: That would be my concern with number 20.
Generous: .. .but under this the ordinance is specific. It's unenclosed.
Burton: Mr. Chairman, I'm just looking at what your recommended language is and the first
sentence basically is intent and then you have the next sentence which is this area shall be
limited. I guess a couple comments. One is I think it should be for a minimal seating area, but I
wonder if that whole paragraph shouldn't be like a statement of your intent and then the next
would be what you're actually saying the requirements would be. And when you say the size
allowing for minimal seating area, I also question whether we even need to say that. If you only
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have 10 feet, I mean what do we care what they do in there? It's just 10 feet. So I just question,
maybe you can say, part of the intent is to allow for a minimal seating area and then the next
section be what the ordinance is. I don't know, those are just the thoughts I had. Ijust, I'm
wondering a bit about the wording.
Conrad: Yeah, I'd buy that. What do you think Bob?
Burton: I think maybe just make the two paragraphs (f) and (g). I think make (f) a statement of
intention and (g) what the requirement is perhaps. And the semi colon kind of makes me think
they run together but usually they say that. . .
Conrad: You're trying to, basically you're saying to give people outside access in the porch but
not to really occupy too much of that front setback area. That's your intent here for homes built
before '87. So I think that's, I think Matt's right Bob.
Kind: Mr, Chairman, I have another question, If the applicant, or a homeowner goes to the
building department to get a permit to enclose a porch, is that a flag that's raised to you to
investigate what the setback is?
Generous: Yes because it gets routed through our department. All remodels.
Kind: Okay. I was just wondering how this not enclosing it would be enforced, Because you
pay attention.
Generous: Oh yeah.
Kind: Thank you.
Conrad: Anything else? Okay, public hearing. Open for public comments. Anybody?
Anything? Boy, pick on you. You're the only ones left.
Audience: Just watching.
Conrad: Nann, would you pan over? No, we won't put you on camera, There's nobody
watching, don't worry about that.
Kind moved, Sidney seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed.
Conrad: Anything else? Any comments on the motion?
Kind: I'm interested in hearing comments from, when you do your discussion about the second
level or not. Whether you like that idea of a porch being on a second level or not. Got you
LuAnn.
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Sidney: I think I like this, well the look of the home that would, that you would get out of this
type of a situation rather than the two story.
Kind: But the motion does not exclude two stories. Two story porches so that would need to be
changed in that motion, that's in our staff report. Right?
Sidney: I guess if you want to get that...
Conrad: Why do you say that though? Why does it, it's not restricted to the second floor, right?
Kind: With this motion you could have a two story porch.
Conrad: Right. And so you don't like that idea?
Kind: I'm not sure ifI like that idea. I'm interested in other people's comments.
Conrad: Okay. Burton: I think, I have no problem with it. I think people would generally make
a porch look nice and reasonable for whatever house they have. I don't think you'd have a really
small house that would put on a two story porch, and I think that the picture we have in our
packet of a house with the two stories, I think that suits that house very well. And actually
there's a couple of them now that I'm looking here, so I don't have a problem with it. Ifit fits
the house, I think it's a nice addition.
Kind: My concern is if it's going 10 feet into the setback, that that's a pretty big mass out
towards the street side. And it sort of becomes more house rather than a porch.
BIackowiak: Well I have a couple thoughts. First, as long as it's not enclosed I don't think that
it's going to add a lot to the mass of the house. It will tend to look a little bit lighter. And
secondly, I don't believe there are too many houses or too many designs that will retrofit well
with a two story porch. There might be some but I mean that's a fairly major you know remodel
job when you're talking access from the second floor. I mean structurally to beef it up so it can
have a second floor. I mean it's.
Sidney: Footings.
BIackowiak: Yeah, I mean that's a fairly major, I would think that people would maybe spend
their money differently. I could be wrong but that would be my feeling.
Conrad: It doesn't seem like a big deal.
Blackowiak: I don't think so. I would say that there would be so few and far between that I
would not, and you know if somebody really had their heart set on a second story porch and it
worked with the house, and they had the space, go for it.
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Burton: Ifwe find there are a lot of them and we think it's a problem, we could revisit it. I'm
highly doubting that that's going to happen.
Conrad: Well it's a nice question because, nice question. Can you screen this in? Is this
meaning screened or is this open?
Generous: This is open.
Kind: Screening is enclosing?
Generous: Well we had that discussion at the staff level and we're still.
Conrad: It's open. This copy doesn't say, so let's talk about it because people, that would be an
issue. They will be here saying, it's not really a porch. It's a floor and in Minnesota to have a
porch and not a screen, you know it's like, I'm not sure. Porches would be a misnomer here.
Porches.
Kind: So you think they should be able to be screened?
Conrad: Well, I haven't thought about it seriously. It just struck me that if you do have a porch,
if you want a porch, it should be screened because of the mosquitoes here. You can't typically in
Minnesota in the summer.. .so what do we want to do?
Burton: Homes that we have, I don't think these are typically porches that you would anticipate
being screened.
Kind: Oh yes. Some of them.
Burton: I think we should define then, define the word enclosed and exclude say just open air
and make no screening or any other.
Conrad: Keep it open Matt? Is that your opinion?
Burton: That's my opinion.
Conrad: LuAnn?
Sidney: Yes I agree.
Conrad: Deb?
Kind: I have a screened porch in my house and I love it.
Blackowiak: But there's lots of space in the back.
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Kind: Yeah the back. And I think putting screens on it does give it a mass. A certain kind of
mass and it makes it easy for future homeowner or that same homeowner to say, well I want
windows you know.
Conrad: With screen you build a half wall and yeah. So what's the intent here. Just to give
them a floor?
Burton: The intent here is to add some aesthetics to the house and that's why we're limiting the
area. So I don't think that they're going to be hanging out in these small porches anyway.
Conrad: Do you buy that Alison?
BIackowiak: I do.
Conrad: Okay. Make sure that's clear in the motion, whoever makes it. Because it's not clear
right now and they'll be here. They will be. So I heard two good things. The intent should be
cleaned up. I heard we should really, whoever makes the motion, clean up the language. Staff
can clean the language up but somehow make sure that they do it on their time when we're not
here. Anything else? Can somebody make a motion?
Kind: Mr. Chair, I'll make an attempt. I would move the Planning Commission recommend
approval of Zoning Ordinance amendment to Section 20-908, Yard Regulations, to read as
follows. The intent of this section is to allow homes built prior to the adoption of the ordinance
that need to add a porch as an architectural feature to define the entrance into a residence, or to
allow for a minimal seating area.
Burton: Did you say or to allow?
Kind: Yes. That's not a complete sentence.
Conrad: What are you trying to do?
Kind: Prior to the adoption of the ordinance, oh I hate to work this out. The intent of this section
is to allow homes built prior to the adoption of the ordinance that need to add on a porch as an
architectural feature, that they be allowed to do so. Do you get the drift there Bob?
Generous: Yes.
Kind: Okay. Homes, and then the second part, leave it the way it is and add two sentences after
the second sentence. First sentence is, porches may not extend. Oh, I'm going to, never mind.
You canjust...that one. Okay, one more sentence. Porches may not be screened or enclosed in
the future.
Conrad: Okay. Is there a second?
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Kind: It's a mess.
Conrad: That's okay. Is there a second?
BIackowiak: I'd like to make a friendly amendment before. I worry about the word need. That
needs to add a porch. Desire. I mean choose. Is there a better word?
Generous: How about just delete that need and ordinance to add a porch?
Conrad: 1 don't want to really word smith this. That's their job but the intent is important.
Burton: Mr. Chairman, maybe we can, this is a discussion but maybe we just throw the whole
thing out and just.
Conrad: We're really out of, we haven't even got a second to this so.
Burton: So I can't discuss it?
Conrad: We're not supposed to.
Burton: Okay, I'll second it.
Conrad; But it's good conversation.
Burton: But my comments would be I think we should just throw the whole thing out and say to
staff, redraft it based on our comments.
Conrad: And bring it back?
Burton: Well, sure. It's not a big rush here.
Conrad: Yeah. No rush Bob is there?
Burton: I would imagine. Is there something?
Generous: Construction season's off a few months.
Conrad: Yeah; and we've had the public hearing so you can bring it back really as an
administrative. Well it's not administrative but really, yeah it's old business. Let's do that.
Kind: You understand the drift.
Burton: So I will.
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Conrad: Yeah, there was a motion made and seconded. And we could vote on it and turn it
down or you could withdraw your motion.
Kind: I withdraw the motion.
Conrad: Okay, and you withdraw your second obviously so would there be a motion to table
this?
Blackowiak: I'll move to table it.
Kind: Second.
Conrad: Any discussion?
BIackowiak moved, Kind seconded to table an amendment to Section 20-908, Yard
Regulations and direct staffto bring back a new draft based on the Planning Commission's
discussion. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously.
Conrad: Thank you for coming tonight.
Audience: .. .Boy Scouts communication.
Conrad: Well, they didn't learn much tonight.
Audience: Well they fulfill the requirement.
Burton: Picked a good night for that.
Conrad: Yeah, how lucky is that?
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Alison Blackowiak noted the Minutes of the Planning
Commission meeting dated January 19,2000 as presented.
OLD BUSINESS.
Generous: Both Powers Ridge and Marsh Glen were tabled. Powers Ridge they wanted to give
the neighbors additional time, or council additional time to understand the building constraints
on the site and how it's designed. Then for Marsh Glen they wanted to provide neighbors with
additional opportunity to think what else could happen there.
Conrad: And they'll think about that.
Generous: Ongoing items. The Planning Commission openings. They're being advertised.
They're closing on March 6th. March 15th the Planning Commission will interview applicants.
And then on April 3rd the applicants will be interviewed by City Council at a work session,
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CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 19,2000
Chairman Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Alison Blackowiak, Deb Kind, Craig Peterson, LuAnn Sidney, and
Matt Burton
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ladd Conrad
STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director; Cindy Kirchoff,
Planner II; and Dave Hempel, Assistant City Engineer
PUBLIC HEARING:
CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 20-908. YARD REGULATIONS. (5), TO
ALLOW PORCHES TO ENCROACH 10 FEET INTO A REOUlRED FRONT YARD
SETBACK.
Kate Aanenson presented the staff report on this item.
Peterson: Any questions of staff? Are you sure?
Kind: Can you believe it?
Peterson: I needed to check. I don't either so, a motion for a public hearing please.
Sidney moved, Kind seconded to open the public hearing. The public hearing was opened.
Peterson: This is a public hearing. Anyone wishing to address the commission on this issue
please come forward and state your name and address please.
Kind moved, Burton seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed.
Peterson: Commissioners, your thoughts on this one?
Kind: I think it's great.
Sidney: We've talked about it quite a few times. I think the changes that have been made to the
recommendation look very good. I think it cleans it up quite a bit.
Peterson: I agree. I think it's clean and simple and hopefully will help you and us out as time
goes by. I'll entertain a motion please.
Planning Commission Meeting - April 19,2000
Kind: Mr. Chairman I'll make a motion that Planning Commission recommend approval of
Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Section 20-1, Definitions. As Section 20-908, Yard
Regulations to add the following. Do I need to read that all Kate?
Aanenson: No...
Kind: As provided on today's date which is 4/19.
Peterson: Is there a second?
Burton: Second.
Peterson: It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion?
Kind moved, Burton seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of
Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Section 20-1 Definitions and Section 20-908 Yard
Regulations to add the following:
Section 20-1 Definitions:
Balcony: A platform, minimum of 7 Y2 feet above the ground, that projects from the wall of a
building and is surrounded by an open railing.
Open Porch: A roofed open area, attached to or part of, and with direct access to or from a
building. An open porch may be surrounded by a railing but must not be enclosed with screen,
mesh, glass or similar material.
Section 20-908. Yard Regulations:
f. The intent of this section is to allow homes built prior to February 19, 1987 to add an
open porch as an architectural feature to define the entrance into a residence or update a
front elevation.
£ (I) Homes built prior to February 19, 1987 may have openporchesandlor balconies that
encroach into the required fÌ'ont yard a distance not exceeding ten (10) feet, provided they
maintain a minimum front yard setback of 20 feet. The ten (10) feet shall include the
roofline, support columns, and steps. This area shall not be enclosed nor screened with
mesh, glass or other similar material. Homes that are on the National Register listing or
have been considered eligible for listing on the National Register shall be excluded from
this ordinance unless approved by the National Historical Registrar's Office.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously.
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CITY OF CHANHASSEN
CARVER AND HENNEPIN COUNTIES, MINNESOTA
ORDINANCE NO.
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE
CHANHASSEN CITY CODE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE
The City Council of the City ofChalÌ.hassen ordains:
Section 1. Section 20-1, Definitions, of the Chanhassen City Code shall hereby be
amended by adding the following:
Balcony: A platform, minimum of 7'i2 feet above the ground, that projects from the wall of a
building and is surrounded by an open railing.
Open Porch: A roofed open area, attached to or part of, and with direct access to or from a
building. An open porch may be surrounded by a railing but must not be enclosed
with screen, mesh, glass, or similar material.
Section 2.
following:
Section 20-908 (5). Yard Regulations, shall hereby be amended by adding the
f. The intent of this section is to allow homes built prior to February 19, 1987 to add an open
porch as an architectural feature to define the entrance into a residence or update a front
elevation.
I) Homes built prior to February 19, 1987 may have open porches and/or balconies
that encroach into the required front yard a distance not exceeding ten (10) feet,
provided they maintain a minimum front yard setback of20 feet. The ten (10) feet
shall include the roofline, support columns, and steps. This area shall not be
enclosed nor screened with mesh, glass, or other similar material. Homes that are
on the National Register listing or have been considered eligible for listing on the
National Register shall be excluded from this ordinance unless approved by the
National Historical Registrar's Office.
Section 3. This ordinance shall be effective immediately upon its passage and publication.
PASSED AND ADOPTED by the Chanhassen City Council this _ of
2000.
ATTEST:
Scott A. Botcher, City Manager
Nancy K. Mancino, Mayor
SUMMARY ORDINANCE
YARD REGULA nONS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT
The purpose of this ordinance amendment is to allow homes built prior to February 19,
1987 to add an open porch as an architectural feature to define the entrance into a residence or
update a fÌ'ont elevation.
Passed and adopted by the City Council this _ day of
,2000.
Scott A. Botcher
City Manager
(Published in the Chanhassen Villager on
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