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Doug Kelm InterviewINTERVIEW WITH DOUG KELM INTERVIEWED BY MARLIN STENE March 21, 1996 Interviewer:We invite you to begin by telling us what you know about the arrival of the Kelms to Chanhassen. Doug:The grandparent the oldest one I was able to identify was named Godfried Kelm. Godfreied became known however as Frederick after he moved to this country but then interestingly his gravestone in pioneer Cemetery west of Chanhassen they restored his name again to Godfried. He came to this country in 1863. He said on the various census reports as well the application from Naturalization that he came from Prussia which has not helped me a great deal in trying to specifically identify what town in Germany because Prussia in 1863 was quite a vast territory so I am still struggling and getting frustrated regularly trying to find out exactly where he came from and therefore who his parents were. He moved here with his wife and three or four of his children. He ultimately had seven or eight children depending on whether you counted some of the deaths which occurred in those days at child birth. Infant mortality was quite frequent. He married a woman in Prussia her name was Anna Brusch. I have not been able to identify where she came from either. They were married when they moved in 1863 and went first to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where he worked in the mines for about 1 1/2 to 2 years and then moved to Minnesota and ended up purchasing his first farm east of the Village of Chanhassen as we think of it. I would guess that the home would be approximately where the McDonalds is located. A few years later he bought another farm West of Chanhassen. He continued to own both of them during his lifetime. The home West of Chanhassen includes the land where Prince's studio is now located. He was a peasant from Prussia and I expect working in the copper mines of Michigan did not suit him at all and so when he became aware of the land that was available and being pre-empted back in those days he moved to Minnesota. Ii a . He had seven to eight children the youngest of which was Henry. Henry married Rose Geiser and they in turn produced my father Elmer Kelm. Elmer had three children with his wife Loretta Weller. The children being my sister, Henrietta or as she prefers to me known Mickey, myself and the youngest my brother Tom. All of us including my father were born in the Village of Chanhassen. The first home they occupied was on st. Huberts a block east from the church and school there is the big white house with the porch that wraps around it. As a boy I thought of it as the Holly house. Albert Holly who ran the grocery store. He purchased it from my Dad around 1919 - 1920. I was born in a house which was located approximately where the lobby of the Chanhassen Theater now sits. They rented there and we only lived there about a year or so and then we moved across the street to a house that eventually got replaced by a feedmill which in turn I believe became an implement store. I'm not sure what sits there now. From there we moved to the house which still stands and is owned by Jerry Schlenk which the estate sold to Jerry back in 1973 or 1974 after my mother died. She had been a widow since 1947 when my Dad Elmer died. The children of Godfried Kelm my grandfathers brothers and sisters some of them remained in the area for a generation or so. Frederick Kelm one of the older sons of Godfried had a farm about 2 miles west of Chanhassen on Highway 5. It was located just down the road a piece from the pioneer Cemetery. others that lived around the Chanhassen Chaska area I believe that their successors and children I don't believe that any of them are in farming any longer and many of them have moved out of the area. I have been able to collect pictures of my great grandfather Godfried but some of his children both sons and daughters but I haven't been able to establish much connection with present Kelm children of these various branches of the family. My grandfather died as a young man in 1916. He had been the first telegrapher for the Milwaukee Road and became the station agent at the local depot. He also had a general store located right near the tracks located approximately where the American Legion is right now. And then in 1914 when a new bank was established by the Minneapolis Group he became the small stockholder and first cashier. That did not last very long because he died very prematurely in 1916 and interestingly within the year my father must have hardly been 17 years of age my father Elmer became Cashier of the Bank which I find rather fascinating because I think of mysel;!: at the age. of 17 and would have hardly have been qualified to be Cashier and sole employee of a Bank no matter how small. My Dad in 1918 married Loretta Weller her mother's maiden name was Driesen. Anna Driesen. Which brings back a memory the fact that actually every branch of my family the Kelm's the Geiser's , the Wellers, the Driesen's and the Millers all of them were in the boundaries of the township of Chanhassen so they found their mates on other farms in the city of Chanhassen. I mentioned before that my Grandfather Henry married Rose Geiser and that was kind of an interesting family. My great-great- grandfather John L. Geiser came from Wortenburg Germany. I have not been able to find his exact village in Wortenburg but I am still working on that. He traveled alone and came in to the port of Baltimore and came across country in 1834 which meant that is was not done by railroad or by automobile so that must have been quite a trip in itself up to Salem Ohio where he met the woman who was meant to be his wife a lady by the name of Mary Weimer. She was the daughter of Sam Weimer and Sam Weimer and his family also moved with some of his children already born before immigration from Germany at roughly the same period of time that John Geiser had immigrated. Both the Weimer and the Geiser families did not stay very long in Ohio. They came to this country in 1834, they moved on to Indiana in 1836 with John Geiser having married Mary Weimer by that time shortly before they moved to a place called Avilla in Noble County Indiana. Both Sam Weimer and his son-in-law John Geiser bought farms in the area adjacent. It was rather interesting that old Sam who by the was kind of an active man until very late in his lifetime having had about four wives (not simultaneously). Sam also I would guess was illiterate as most immigrants were at that time certainly as far as the English language is concerned but perhaps as far as the German language is concerned it can't be ascertained for sure. AT any rate he totally misunderstood the legal description of the farm that he bought and proceeded to clear land that was not his and having worked his butt off on that for some period of time and discovering that he was on the wrong piece of land moved on to another piece of land that he was certain was his and proceeded to clear that land also of the trees and boulders and the like only to find out in a year that once again he cleared somebody elses land before finally on the third try successfully started working the land that was truly his. Meanwhile his son-in-law and his daughter started producing their family and they stayed in the Indiana area for almost 30 years. It was during the Civil War in fact that John Geiser and four of his children moved on to Minnesota. And my great-grandfather Fred Geiser is one. John farmed a piece of land just West of Chanhassen adjacent to and East of the farm that we spoke briefly of the Godfried Kelm farm which is now Paisley Park. Just East of there John had his farm and blacksmith shop right up to the road and Highway 5. His farm extended southward to the shores of Lake Susan. He farmed there until his death in 1902. His youngest son, Fred, continued to farm there for just a few years before selling the farm and moving with his mother and his wife into the Village of Chanhassen. He built the home that is Highway 101 as it ran through chanhassen south of the Church, south of the liquor store on the corner about a 1/2 block south on the left side of the street next to a building that had already burnt down when I was a child. It was Mason Brothers merchandise store. 3 Fred started a business of delivering butter and eggs over towards the Lake Minnetonka area towards Excelsior. It was an action or failure of his that resulted in that road that leads to Excelsior Highway 17. Immediately north of the intersection of Highway 5 were a couple of very sharp dipps and knolls which the last time I drove out there it was almost level. On one occasion Fred lost control of his horses and his wagon overturned and the vats of butter went rolling down the hills and throughout my lifetime they were called the butter hills. I don't suppose they are anYmore because they are almost all leveled off. Another small loss of history. Fred was quite a character my great -grandfather Geiser. He used to love to sit in a rocker in his front lawn. He was alive for about 14 years of my life so I knew him and his wife Lottie quite well. I had to go down and visit him because he always had fascinating stories to tell but the thing that he liked most to do is say "Kid, you've got something to really be proud of, look over there in the cemetery, the biggest god damn tombstone in the cemetery he said, and its mine." While on the reverse side interestingly and it still remains and it is.still the largest tombstone in the cemetery. It says Geiser and on the backside is says Schroeder. Schroeder was Fred's sister's husband. His brother-in-law. Fred decided long before he died that he wanted a fine tombstone. He wanted the biggest one. It must stand 7 feet or more tall. The story is that after Fred decided that he wanted a fine tombstone he looked at pictures when salesmen came around from time to time and finally decided on the one he thought was appropriate. I don't know what the cost was in those days. (For the idea of telling this let's just say $1,000.) That may be high for that time period. Having decided that he finally approached his brother-in-law. He said Henry, I have a deal for you. The plot of land in the cemetery that is right next to mine in not purchased. You buy it. We will then jointly buy a tombstone and set it on the border between the two lots. You will put my name on one side and on the other side put my name. Schroeder decided that might be a good idea but he might want to think about it. How much would it cost? Fred said, $2,000 a 1,000 for you and $1,000 for me. Henry thought that was a heck of a lot of money and he finally came back and said OK here is my 1,000. So the stone arrived and came nicely carved with their names on either side of it but Henry went to his grave not knowing that he paid the entire cost of the tombstone. Fred was also in to gimmickry. He would buy such things as an electric belt which was suppose to do all sorts of wonderful things for your body. Lottie his wife was a character in her own right. She was a Miller of the Eden prairie Millers. During most of the time that I knew her she had become quite senile but still a wonderful lady. A very happy sort that would sing rhYmes. Fred died in December of 1935. He was born in 1856 so he was nearing 79 years of age. Interestingly Lottie at a similar age had not shown any signs of loss of vitality. In less than a month she followed f him to death. It was widely assumed that the loss of Fred precipitated her death. But they were wonderful people to know. They produced a son by the name of Jack, who ended up as a depot agent in South Dakota. Another son Bill who was also a station agent in the Dakotas for the Milwaukee Road a third son Walter who also was a station agent out there and another son Clarence Geiser who was a very gilded citizen of Chanhassen. He had to share honors with two or three other members of Chanhassen as being the town drunk. A city the size of Chanhassen those days with only about 120 population they were only qualified for one town drunk but Chanhassen had at least 3 perhaps 4. Never any problem with any of them. Clarence also ran an automobile garage by his parent's home described earlier. He was the youngest. There was also a daughter Rose who married Henry KeIrn. After her husband Henry died she married John Bigaman of Chaska and he had a previous marriage from which he had a son and a daughter. Rose had a son and daughter and together they produced a son and a daughter. It was confusing for a small boy to figure out how I was related to whom. The Geiser family as a whole was an extremely interesting family. John C. Geiser the son of John L. Geiser. John C. was the oldest of John L.'s sons and was pretty much an adult when they moved from Indiana. He became a widely known builder of churches having built some 30 churches through south central Minnesota including st. Huberts Church in Chanhassen. And st. Joseph in Waconia. There is one in Belle Plaine and did a lot of the design work. Although one should hasten to say that they were copies of what I believed were German Gothic churches that came from that place of origin. John had his shops directly across the street from his brother Fred's home. Those buildings are still standing there. There is a two story building across the street which became a residence on both floor and east of the building were lumber yards. Later on those lumber yards became a part of the chain but as the years past with very little further development in the area the lumber yard faded away. At that time it was owned by the Klein family. As I reflect upon even right up to the time of my own life in Chanhassen, its interesting but common that there were no attorney in town, no doctor, no dentist no CPA. There wasn't a constable other than on paper. On thinking back people settled things on their own. Not running to the courts all the time. An attorney was a very strange type of person that they rarely had any contact with the exception perhaps to write their will or to write up papers at the courthouse for the transfer of property. But liabilities suits, practically unknown. I wish we could move back to those days somewhat. 5 Interviewer:There is an interesting story recorded in the Valley Press out of Chaska of an attorney from Waconia who came to town to try an influence the Chanhassen vote to have the Courthouse moved to Waconia and it states "He had no followers among the Chanhassen people." I guess there were repeated tries to move the courthouse from Chaska to Waconia. Seems to me that there was one when I was a boy and undoubtedly attempts before that time. Doug: I was talking about some of the members of the Geiser family John C. the Church builder. He moved from Chanhassen to Deep Haven. His home still stands there today. Then there was Sam Geiser. I guess he was one of my favorite relatives. Sam would in other words be my Great-grand-uncle. An older brother of Fred's. Sam had a farm in Eden Prairie. And long about 1870's he moved to Murdock, MN in swift county. Moving at the same time was another family from Eden Prairie. Just exactly why they moved from their farms, perhaps they did not own them, and they had the opportunity to get new land in swift county. (the name of the other family escapes me.) The pioneer Press reported this rather fully telling how the police based on a tip from the man of the household of this other family found Sam in bed in the st. James Hotel in Minneapolis with the wife of his neighbor. Sam had been married and at this time he was a widower. It appears that the wife of the other gentleman whom he was found in bed with must have started divorce proceedings before this. Anyway the marriage was very shaky and this particular incident resulted in the divorce becoming final and Sam then took on this new wife and they continued to live out there in Murdock and the feathered against husband moved out of town. His second wife then after some 20 some years died and Sam moved on to pine County where he met a very lovely woman 20 years his junior in age and he married her. They ultimately moved to Florida where they both died in the 1920' s having lived quite a full life. So one finds such wonderful characters that I enjoy very much as I have done my genealogy research. I did look for royalty or capitalist or celebrities. I rather enjoyed those of the human nature and kind of appreciate them as a matter of fact. It goes back to one branch of my family to someone who. would be my great-great-great-great-great grandmother who when she was asked by the priest back in Germany in about 1700 "who is the father" and her response basically was she didn't know. o The Weller family came from Kabrunz Germany near Luxembourg not far from the Netherlands but he didn't meet his wife who was a Hollander until he moved to this country. He name was Anna Driesen. They came from that part of Holland which dips sharply to the south between Belgium and Germany in a very heavily Catholic area. That land had shifted back and forth from time to time in between France and Spain with one of Napoleon's brothers as I recall having been named by him as the King of Holland. There was some question as to how Hollanderish those ancestors were or whether they were possibly French or Spanish or whatever. But none the less they came from Holland in the 1860' s and it was in Chanhassen but Peter Weller had brought his family and his son married Anna Driesen who's father was Thomas Driesen and Tom also settled in Chanhassen not far from what is now the City of Chaska. I mentioned earlier that Lottie Geiser was a Miller. He came from Bavaria and traveled this country alone about 1858 stayed a short time in New York city and then moved on to Chicago where he met his wife who came with her parents from a city called Lehr the very northwesterly part of Germany. They married in chicago in the early 1860's they moved on to Chanhassen and had a farm (look at the map) between Chanhassen and Chaska. On that farm somewhere are at lease three graves. His father-in law who he brought along from Chicago with him when they moved and his wife's child by an earlier marriage and another child by their marriage. The maiden name of Fred Miller's wife was Matthei. They stayed on that farm until 1867 and then moved on to a farm adjacent to Lake Mitchell and that land is now known as Miller Park. His son and his widow organized or built the General Store in Eden prairie which is less than a block south of the railroad crossing. I imagine that you can still see evidence of where the railroad was, I don't believe the rails are there any longer. It was a very typical old general store that sold everything. I bring that up because Charlotte Matthei Miller must have been quite a gal because one census report where they ask her occupation she said "capitalist" so having run this general store she thought of herself as totally Americanized Capitalist. The Weller's, Peter Weller and his two boys farmed directly North of Chanhassen not far from Long Lake, on the West side of Long Lake. Peter Weller had some 80 acres. I'm quite sure that now it is owned by a Kerber family unless its changed hands again. Long Lake is now known as Lotus Lake. When he died his son Peter and his son Michael split the 80 acres into two 40 acres which they continued to farm. Ultimately Peter moved to Chaska where his son Lambert Weller started a funeral home and was so frequently the case in those days combined with a furniture store and he also operated a building contractor company. The story is that he built many of the stills for the bootleggers in the early days. I'm not sure whether there is more than one death penalty in Carver county or at least in that part of Carver County but the story is that he built the gallows for the person who was executed for a case of murder back in the early 1900's. He had married Anna Driesen who's father was Thomas Driesen who had a small farm to the East of Chaska adjoining what would now be Highway 212 just a very small 7 farm. I'm told that Tom Driesen though of himself as a ladies man but that he retained his fidelity to his wife but looked upon himself as being quite the gay blade. His other children Tom Driesen's beside Anna the wife of Lambert Weller were Regina who married a Wartman who had a farm West and North of Chaska on the way to victoria. He had another daughter who married a Lansberger her name was Agnes. They lived in the Chaska area and also in Cologne. One of Annie's brothers was a grand old man by the name of Brother victor whose give name was actually John by he became a Franciscan Monk and spent part of his later life at the Chaska. A very gentle very simple kind of a man I remember man I remember his being. He claimed that he had been a wild one in his youth and that he became converted and joint the Monastery. I suspect that this Catholic gentle man could not have been very wild. Getting more up to date, my father Elmer as I said was the Cashier at the Bank and sold insurance after he closed the bank at the end of each day. Sometime my mother and us kids would go out with him just for a little joy ride. During the Depression Days we would frequently end up eating bologna and crackers at a rural school house. I thought of it as a picnic, my sister being a little older insisted that we had to go to the backside of the school so that nobody would see us because she recognized that this was no picnic is was a way of saving money during the Depression. Dad was also a great one for innovative things. He had the first telephone in town, he did not have the first radio but I bet very close to it. Long before tape recorders or wire recorders he had a recording machine that actually cut the carbon records and I have been able to salvage some of those and converted them to tape. Nothing very interesting, it was relatives singing at some party of occasionally he would record a letter to one of his children out of town. He also was a ham radio operator which was perhaps his second or third love. His first love being his wife and family, the second one being politics and the third ham radio. We grew up in a political environment. When I was six years old my dad had me distributing literature for Al smith who carried the town of Chanhassen by 1/3 of something like 60 to 0 over Hoover. The entire town being Catholic except for the Mayor who was a Republican by the name of Descowski but he converted at least for that election to make it unanimous for Al smith. Dad at the time was the Chairman of the Democratic Party so each election 'we were surrounded by talks of politics and he subsequently became the Congressional District Chairman and ran the campaign of the congressman who was elected back in the 1930's by the name of Elmer Ryan. That is when the district included sort of a Central slice of Minnesota from Carver down to the Iowa border. The first and second district now cover all the way across from the Wisconsin Border to the South Dakota border. At the time I am talking about when we had nine congressman there was an additional I district so that in that territory there would have been three districts running across the Southern part of Minnesota. Subsequently he became the Chairman of the Minnesota State Democratic Party. We are now getting up to the late 1930's and 1940's. Finally, when the two parties (Democratic and Farmer Labor Party), the Farmer Labor Party had been enjoying great success up to that' period when they had fallen into some disrepute and so the two parties Democratic primarily merged into what we know now as the DFL party in 1945. Elmer became the first Chairman the primary founder and organizer of the merged party. III health forced him to resign a couple of years later and he accepted an appointment of U.S. Collector of Internal Revenue for the State of Minnesota. He died at a fairly young age of 57 in 1957. Having lived throughout his life in Chanhassen which reminds me of how enduring things seemed to be in those days. We live in a world today where things move so fast and change so often. An example of what I'm talking about: In first grade at st. Hubert's school my father was taught by a nun sister Gwenivent. Many years later my sister was taught by the same nun. And three more years later I was taught by her and I believe even my brother who is eight years my junior, Tom, I believe that sister Gwenivent was still there at that time. Perhaps that is not a very good example of how things seem to endure and go on but the traditions weren't so volatile. When one got into trouble as a child it didn't take long for discipline to occur because Joe would call up Elmer or visit with Elmer over a beer and say your son Doug was seen doing such and such this afternoon and that would result in severe discipline when Elmer came home. I lived in this atmosphere not in fear but in knowing that I had a lot of Uncles allover town who kept an eye on things and maybe were not afraid to slap you across the ears themselves as well as to tell your parents if you misbehaved at all. I'm not complaining. When I moved into the City of st. Paul, Minneapolis you hardly knew people that lived on the same block as you even in established neighborhoods. Even those that had a fairly strong community organization. You maybe would know half of the people in the b~ock. We lost something in that process. I indicated that I got disciplined from time to time. For example you did not come home and complain about one of teachers did something that seemed unfair to you because you didn't get very far with argument and you would get boxed across the ears by your parent until you minded what Sister tells you and you did! There were time when you would do things ,very foolish like. One Sunday morning a cousin of mine was visiting a family over a week- end and I was showing her around the great metropolis of Chanhassen and we came to the Village Hall which was sort of a playground for us because they never locked the Hall. The files were very open shall we say. One our playgrounds would be the back part of Village Hall where they was a typical old fashion jail cell and nobody minded the fact that the kids used the building as a play thing as long as they didn't do any damage. But the village Hall has a little Bell Tower. I trust the Bell is still there. I would be sad if it wasn't. It was pulled by hand with the rope attached to the outside of the building and my cousin said "Have you ever rang that bell?" I said no I haven't I do not think you are suppose to. At this point I am about seven years of age perhaps. Old enough to know better. My cousin talked me into ringing the bell. Unfortunately, high mass was in progress this Sunday morning right across the street and the windows and doors of the church flew open because the ringing of that bell was the equivalent of a fire siren in Chanhassen. I perhaps got the worst spanking of my life because Elmer was at High Mass when I interrupted. I never had known if the priest interrupted mass of continued on, but I will never forget, whenever I hear a bell it comes back to me. Interviewer:There is a story that is told by one of the resident out there that he and two other boys were caught by the priest up on the steeple that on the back side of st. Huberts there were steps and somehow the priest caught two, the third one managed to escape somehow inside the building and was saved a rather sever backside treatment. Doug: That reminds me, I don't know if this particular event is still celebrated in rural churches or not. I never hear about it in the city. But in the spring of each year there is a piece called Corpus Christi Latin for Body of Christ. It was really a great thing. After mass the entire parish would leave the church and parade down st. Hubert's street to the East with little girls carrying baskets of flower petals that they would distribute and boys carrying banners and incense and large candle holders and the like. As they marched along the bells would be ringing the three or four bells whatever there is in the steeple of st. Huberts. Just to the East of the old school was a little chapel and we stopped there to have a brief benediction during which time the bells would stop the ringing and the choir would singing and then we would move on again with the bells ringing to still another such a chapel. As I recall there were four of them scattered in what was called the church woods the area immediately north of the present school was all wooded and to my memory had a greater rise in the land than it does today and scattered through the woods were these little chapels. So we would move from one to the other. One of the jobs that had the greatest stature for the boys was to go up into the steeple because the smaller bells would have the habit of turning over completely because the guys below pulling the ropes were really giving her and so the bells would turn over and the young boys would turn the bell back. I remember the time when Lewis Klein was about a year older than me bent over to take the bell by the rim to turn it back over just as the large bell came swinging along and caught him in the buttocks and sent him right over the smaller bell he was about to turn over. 0 The Church was pretty much the center of social life. Not necessarily combined as in this case with the religious ceremony but it was the ice cream social that was held out on the school grounds a couple time during the summer with ice cream that was homemade by the ladies on their farms with the fresh cream. During the winter there were card parties that were held in the church basement or auditorium. The drama club that was called the st. Huberts drama club. There were the young ladies that would make a lunch and there would be card party and towards the end there would be an auction. It was anticipated that the young man who had his eye on this young lady who brought the box luncheon would bid to buy that lunch and eat it with her. And there were always guys there devilish enough to keep bidding up the price so the guy would spent much more than needed. This money did end up in the church coffers. Back in about the mid 1930 during the heart of the Depression the Church was having difficulty in terms of expenses and that organized what for many years was simply called the Chanhassen Chicken Dinner which being rather good to their reputation many 100's of people would come to Chanhassen on a Sunday to eat this chicken dinner for a relatively small price but it was a great source of income to maintain the church. First it was at st. Hubert's school and then they decided to excavate a basement under the church because it had no basement back in those days or what basement they had was just a small area in which the furnace was located. 90% of the church had no basement. Pretty much with just local labor volunteers with horses being the primary source of energy they dug out the earth from underneath the church and shored it up where necessary, added foundations to the thing. Quite a massive jOb for the group of local men to undertake but they did and that became the location for various social affairs and of course the Chanhassen Chicken Dinner in particular which later became known as the Harvest Festival. Interviewer:It is still called the Harvest Festival and the second Sunday after we moved into the Village we were invited over by some neighbors that we met to the fall festival and this was in 1990 and this was still the best deal in the whole county as far as quality of food, quantity for a very modest price. Now it is on the school grounds in the gymnasium as well as in a large tent to the East of the playground. Doug:Originally they had it right across the street from the church in this little pocket park that existed there. They had to get our of there because it would take the grounds most of the summer to recover from the people and always a problem was the beer stand. Gambling games ranging to bingo and a game I remember with a very large dice. It must have been 10 inches on the side and you would buy paddles with numbers on them and let's assume I( there were six possible numbers on the dice and you would pay a quarter for your paddle which had numbers on it so that would be $1.50 per throw and the prize was $1.00 so there was a 50 cent profit for the festival with each throw of the dice. z