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D-2. Adoption of Parks and Recreation System Plan l T Y p I--�� -- CITY OF ClIANIIASSEN N Chanhassen isa Community for Life-Providing forToday and Planning for Tomorrow MEMORANDUM TO: Todd Gerhardt, City Manager FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director DATE: September 11, 2017 Ikt • • SUBJ: Adoption of Parks and Recreation System Plan PROPOSED MOTION: The City Council adopts the Parks and Recreation System Plan. DISCUSSION The city has completed the final stages of a 14-month effort to prepare its first Parks and Recreation System Plan. This initiative will address parks,play structures, athletic facilities, natural areas, recreation programming, the Chanhassen Recreation Center, trail and park operations, and long-term maintenance, etc. The plan will analyze existing facilities, develop a vision for the future, and make recommendations for future funding and facility development. Hoisington Koegler Group Inc., an experienced landscape architecture,planning, and design firm, has guided citizens, elected and appointed officials, and city staff through the planning process. On September 11, Ms. Gabrielle Grinde, a Landscape Architect with HKGi, will join the City Council to present the proposed Parks and Recreation System Plan in its final form. BACKGROUND The Chanhassen City Council has been engaged in the development of the Park and Recreation System Plan. Councilwoman Elise Ryan served on the Advisory Committee as a City Council designee. September 26, 2016 City Council reviewed key financial strategy, Parks and Recreation System Plan process, the community engagement approach, parks and recreation trends, and provided input. PH 952.227.1100• www.ci.chanhassen.mn.us• FX 952.227.1110 7700 MARKET BOULEVARD • PO BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN • MINNESOTA 55317 Todd Gerhardt Parks and Recreation System Plan September 11, 2017 Page 2 February 13, 2017 City Council reviewed system evaluation, gap and distribution analysis,peer community comparisons, community engagement recap, general community survey results, Rec Center questionnaire results, Senior Center questionnaire results, National Citizen Survey results, key findings, and guiding principles. The Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission led the planning and development of the Parks and Recreation System Plan and the Parks and Recreation System Plan Advisory Committee guided the overall plan development. September 8, 2016 Advisory Committee introduction to the project, an overview of the planning process, and background on the consultant team. November 10, 2016 Advisory Committee reviewed the results of the system-evaluation and needs-assessment tasks, and reaches consensus on key findings. December 13, 2016 Park and Recreation Commission reviewed community engagement input, system evaluation, needs-assessment findings, and key findings about the status and future needs of the system. January 12, 2017 Advisory Committee developed a vision for what the Park and Recreation System should be in 20 years. March 9, 2017 Advisory Committee reviewed system plan recommendations for goals, policies, and strategies, and prepares for spring community engagement. March 28, 2017 Park and Recreation Commission reviewed the draft guiding principles, goals,policies, and initiatives. May 11, 2017 Advisory Committee reviewed results of community engagement, made modifications to initiatives, prioritized actions, and reviewed implementation strategies July 18, 2017 Advisory Committee reviewed a draft copy of the Parks and Recreation System Plan. July 25, 2017 Park and Recreation Commission reviewed a draft copy of the Parks and Recreation System Plan. Todd Gerhardt Parks and Recreation System Plan September 11, 2017 Page 3 August 10, 2017 Advisory Commission reviewed proposed plan revisions, discussed proposed revisions to the priorities, reviewed two new draft Chapter 6 Implementation sections: Maintenance and Replacement, and General Capital, Operations, and Maintenance Costs, and confirmed proposed revisions to the system plan. August 22, 2017 Park and Recreation Commission reviewed final recommendations from Advisory Committee and made recommendation to City Council for adoption of the Parks and Recreation System Plan. RECOMMENDATION On August 22, 2017, Park and Recreation Commissioner Meredith Petouvis moved, and Commissioner Cole Kelly seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the City Council adopt the Parks and Recreation System Plan with the addition in the Priorities Section, long term capital investment initiative of a place holder without dollar value for Lake Ann potential expansion. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 9 to O. ATTACHMENTS 1. Parks and Recreation System Plan Executive Summary 2. Park and Recreation Commission Minutes; Approve Recommendation to City Council, Adopt Park and Recreation System Plan Discussion and Motion c. HKGi Park and Recreation Commission Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee \\cfs5\cfs5\Shared_Data\PARK\TH\Park and Rec System Plan\CC Recommendation Approve PR System Plan 9-11-17.docx\ 1 i •-•-s ! . . ':". 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Acknowledgements City Council Advisory Committee Denny Laufenburger, Mayor Cheryl Ayotte Dan Campion Jim Boettcher Jerry McDonald Balakrishna Chintaginjala Elise Ryan Karen Doster Bethany Tjornhom Jeff Filipek Park Commission Jesse Hawke Steve Scharfenberg, Chair Kim Mcreavy Jennifer Hougham, Vice Chair Nick Mcreavy Cole Kelly Courtney Miller Bellairs Jim Boettcher Todd Neils Rick Echternacht Nathan Pharis Meredith Petouvis Elise Ryan Karl Tsuchiya Anna Simet Lauren Dale, Youth Commissioner Steve Scharfenberg Grant Schaeferle, Youth Commissioner John Tietz City Staff Dorina Tipton Todd Gerhardt, City Manager Consultant Todd Hoffman, Park& Recreation Director Hoisington Koegler Group, Inc. Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Superintendent Katie Favro, Recreation Supervisor Adam Beers, Park Superintendent Jodi Sarles, Recreation Center Manager Susan Bill, Senior Center Coordinator Thank you to the many members of the Chanhassen community who took the time to provide valuable input on this plan! AUGUST 14, 2017 Over its 50 years, Chanhassen's Parks and Recreation Executive Summary System has improved the community's quality of life, What it is? economic development, and environmental resources. With over 900 acres of parks and open space, 30 The 2017 Chanhassen Parks and Recreation 1 System Plan sets the direction for parks and parks, and almost 80 miles of trails, the Chanhassen recreation in Chanhassen for the next 20 Parks and Recreation System is an essential component years. The System Plan ensures the parks and of the City. 2 recreation system continues to meet Planning Process community needs now and in the future. This year-long planning effort began in August of 2016, and The System Plan weighs community needs represents input gathered from the community, stakeholders, 3 and desires with financial realities to ensure the system is economically sustainable and city staff, and city officials. Online questionnaires, meetings, responsible with tax dollars. focus groups, park and community tours, open houses, and group brainstorming efforts guided the development of the 4 The System Plan determines priorities for future investment and contains 6 goals, 52 policies, System Plan by providing valuable input and collective and 54 initiatives wisdom. The plan also incorporates the expertise of the consultant team, analysis of benchmarking data, a system- Guided ystem- Guided By: wide audit conducted by city staff and the consultants, and best practices collected from other peer communities. The development of the System Plan was guided by the City's vision for the future as well as the following The goal of the planning process was to educate and raise principles: awareness about the importance of parks and recreation while ensuring that future investment in Chanhassen's Stewardship Marked as the highest priority to system meets the needs of the community. Chanhassen residents, Stewardship aims to incorporate sustainable practices into the system's planning and Benefits of a Parks & Recreation daily operations to protect the city's vibrant natural System Plan resources. - Road map for system revitalization and expansion Connectivity Chanhassen's parks, preserves, - Defensible rationale for decision-making and trails are knitted together to create a network of - Strategic resource allocation (budgeting and staffing) recreation and open spaces that reaches every corner - of the community and provides access to surrounding Fosters strong partnerships destinations as well. - Creates safe and welcoming parks - An updated recreation facility mix Engagement Residents of all ages and all - A more connected City abilities are welcome throughout Chanhassen's - parks and recreation system, enabling them to lead Improved access to nature active, healthy lives in which they engage with - Selective programming to meet gaps and needs the outdoors, with art and culture, and with one - Long-term economic sustainability another. Adaptable As Chanhassen has evolved, its parks and recreation system has remained adaptable in the way it responds to new needs and challenges, and dynamic in its ability to deliver high-quality programs, facilities, and services. AUGUST 14, 2017 Contents iii Community Engagement Respondents' The goal of the planning process was to educate and raise awareness about Respondents' Favorite Facilities the importance of parks and recreation while ensuring that future investment Favorite Programs By Percent By Percent in Chanhassen's system meets the needs of the community.Throughout this planning process, over 1,000 residents and stakeholders were engaged to80%trails ensure the final plan was reflective of community desires. p neathorhood communitys 74 p/o 75/0 p Public outreach efforts included: avent » Six Advisory Committee meetings spread throughout the year-long planning 72/0 p coparksmmunity process » Two listening sessions (Athletic Associations and Senior Center Commission) 66%beaches » Three online questionnaires and two online interactive mapping exercises which reached almost 2,000 individuals and solicited 1,500 responses 52%re le:rhea » Seven Pop-up meetings at community events activities 52°/0 » A Community Open House held on April 6th of 2017, where over 70 community members provided feedback on the System Plan's draft recommendations 470/0 natural aervas) reas 350/0 Ws"' Top 5 Unmet Facility& Programming Needs Top 3 Desired p rectangular Facilities 29% tds 26°/0 icerinks skating recreation center 31% 46% �� famiactivitiesly 210/0 adult sports and Glasses 17% 210/0 75% 1:/— 818°/0 tecourtnniss natural play areas trails 15% 78% filne It 11 youth sports and classes 72 /44% 00 indoor pool adult p pickleball 6/0 presence/natural areas Ezi 71% 60%® 4. 6%ouuritsbaII • ■ outdoor pool Trends In order to meet the demands of a growing population, the City needs to consider the following national population trends: » Need for convenience >> Increased interest in aging actively » Demand for group fitness events » Increasingly anxious about safety » Engaging new generations and races >> More transient » Increased interest in weight loss » Desire to create more memorable » Pinched government budgets and active living experiences » Demand for green alternatives >> Rise in informal adult recreation » Increased importance of"place" » Desire for conservation and versus league participation opportunities to connect with nature » Popularity of new and nontraditional sports ,,.... --7, 4111 1., _ 4,i I ) 4, —.. k - r+nt tu. •:6 tt ta irtmOuvoc .-.- /.2 ati, l'f4. .ti71 -,..,_., - vi no is2 ; f f - , 4._ • 1 iv Chanhassen Parks & Recreation System Plan AUGUST 14, 2017 Existing Conditions --4P ] fEe„°, = ;., • Over 900 acres of city-owned parks, preserves, and open space I • 30 community& neighborhood parks ,. ” • 14 preserves& 1 special use park ..; ... • Almost 80 miles of trails Facilities _ 27 playground areas 1 skate park MI ^� 21 picnic shelters Q 1 disc golf course --.—i _ " 5 swimming beaches rL 1 garden plot site ' '404 ® 16 tennis courts 7 docks &3 fishing piers O 10 pickleball courts O 5 outdoor hockey rinks& 5 pleasure rinks ° ® 28 diamond fields 0 1 dog park(in partnership) 9 21 rectangular fieldsAr ' ' LEGEND ob 20 basketball courts ev:r; I• - 4111 6 sledding hills Ck .�..., ® 4 sand volleyball courts ""� (-----`I .y G 025 05 0 Goals & Policies The System Plan's goals and policies are high-level statements intended to guide City decision-making over the next 20 years.The six goals represent the desired long-term outcomes of Chanhassen's System Plan, and were prepared as depictions of how the Parks and Recreation System will function when the guiding principles are achieved.To guide City decision-makers, the general characteristics of each goal are described by a series of policies. 1. Provide a comprehensive system community destinations, and other 5. Proactively plan for a high quality, of park, recreation, and open communities. efficient parks and recreation space facilities to serve active and 3. Ensure all residents have the system that meets community passive needs. opportunity to participate in needs. 2. Maintain a comprehensive recreation, education, cultural, 6. Implement strategies to and easily navigable trail and and arts activities. supplement the City's capacity to sidewalk system that connects4. Be a leader in environmental maintain and expand the parks neighborhoods to park and sustainability. and recreation system. recreation facilities, schools, Initiatives Initiatives are specific actions or steps that are recommended for implementation. They include programs, actions, or practices that support one or more policy statements, and begin to address the "who,what,where, and how" of achieving a plan objective. Chanhassen's initiatives may include: strategic directions for policies, ongoing practices, partnerships, and future planning efforts; programmatic investments for events, training, and/or resources; capital investments for facilities, amenities, and/or infrastructure; and potential funding streams and strategies. Initiatives are organized by the topic areas of parks, facilities, trails, preserves, programming, and operations. The following page contains a summary of the System Plan initiatives by topic area. AUGUST 14, 2017 Conienis v Summary of Plan Initiatives Parks Facilities Trails • Maintain Lake Ann Park as the » Identify and construct a year- » Address trail gaps and trail premier community park round signature recreation crossing safety issues » Add amenities to Bandimere, facility in the community » Work with partner agencies to City Center, and Lake Susan » Add a destination splash pad at a reopen Minnesota River Bluff Community Parks community park LRT Regional Trail » Use a maintenance and » Establish an interpretative center » Complete trail connection to replacement schedule to keep with outdoor lab space and Minnesota River neighborhood park facilities up nature-based play >> Increase maps and wayfinding to date >> Add community-scale nature to identify loops, distances, & » Seek opportunities to expand the play at a community park destinations park network to serve changing and unstructured nature play » Provide more user amenities community needs and preserve throughout the community as » Expand the number of natural natural amenities. appropriate surface trails • Improve user amenities at >> Explore opportunities to add existing facilities trailheads Preserves • Explore opportunities for a » Initiate a single-track mountain second community garden bike trail study • Continue to preserve sensitive » Implement recommendations of lands within the Bluff Creek the Athletic Fields Study Corridor » Collaborate with other agencies Operations to protect the Seminary Fen Programming » Use System Plan as basis » Collaborate with other agencies for budgeting& Capital to protect the Minnesota River >> Continue to host at least 5 major Improvement Plan Valley community events » Incorporate sustainable design & » Expand marketing&wayfinding » Expand informal, year-round maintenance practices to make » Expand opportunities to interact events& nature-based programs Chanhassen a model with and explore nature » Collaborate with new& existing » Create a tobacco use policy • Identify& protect natural areas partner organizations to provide » Communicate benefits of parks that link parks, preserves, & events& programming and recreation destinations » Establish an Event Management » Establish formal review » Develop natural resource Plan process for program & event management plan >> Annually assess pricing structure development Implementation Achieving the vision set forth in the Parks and Recreation System Priority Cost(Low) Cost(High) I Plan will take additional funding, not only for big, exciting, new Short term $5,770,000 $12,660,000 facilities like a signature recreation facility or interactive water Long term $31,075,000 $63,100,000 feature, but for neighborhood park revitalization, new programs, i and outreach, etc.The City needs to ensure that adequate funding Ongoing $500,000 $5,000,000 is available by identifying and regularly communicating system Trail Gaps $4,943,000 $14,831,000 funding needs, expanding and diversifying funding sources, and Total $42,228,000 $95,591,000 maximizing the use of volunteers to support system development (Total Without $17,288,000 $45,591,000 and operations. The System Plan identifies initiatives for the Signature Facility) next 20 years in the areas of Capital Investments, Plans/Studies, Management, Ongoing Initiatives, and Trails. The System Plan also estimates that the system will need more than$8 million in maintenance, repair, and replacement. vi Chanhassen Parks & Recreation System Plan AUGUST 14, 2017 APPROVE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL,ADOPT PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM PLAN. Scharfenberg: Gabrielle is here tonight from Hoisington-Koegler to speak to us about the last meeting that the advisory committee and those updates. Gabrielle. Gabrielle Grinde: Since the last time we met the Parks and Recreation System Plan Advisory Committee met one more time and reviewed the priorities in the system plan and made some revisions which I will cover in this presentation. And then Meredith Petouvis provided us with some detailed comments which was appreciated and so those edits were all included in the most recent draft of the plan which you received in your packet. So I will be reviewing the components of the plan and then going through the pages in detail. So the project process you know started last June over a year ago. It's been 14 months. We've had 7 advisory committee meetings. Three meetings with the Park and Recreation Commission. Two meetings with the City Council. Online engagement which covered 3 questionnaires. Over 1,500 responses. A social pinpoint site with many more comments. Several pop up meetings at park events and meeting with the Planning Commission and then we had a community open house this last spring with over 70 attendees so a lot of input from various sources went into this plan. So now an overview of the plan in general is that it is a valuable and necessary planning tool. This is the first parks and recreation system plan for the City of Chanhassen but it is a tool that is used by many cities across the state and country. It's a tool that increases and promote the efficiencies of parks operations and management by listing all in one place the goals, values and initiatives for how to manage and operate the system. It includes a consensus of input from staff, the community and the elected officials so it shows the community that we actually listened to what they said and put it all in the document for everyone to see. And then it's a summary of the City's goals and values for parks and recreation. And the plan itself is a graphic format and it's organized with maps, tables and imagery to explain the content and the initiative. Six chapters. 89 pages. It includes a 4 page executive summary which you received in your packet for tonight and then it has guidelines for investments and it's not a budget recommendation but it does have cost estimates that are guidelines for the park commission to use in the future. So this is what the first few pages of the plan looks like including the executive summary. Any questions on the overview of this? The introduction includes several components talking about the importance of parks and recreation and the importance of the system plan. The purpose of the plan. What the project planning process was and then some coordinated efforts which were part of this process which are the Comprehensive Plan chapter for Parks and Open Space and the Park System Inventory document. This is what the introduction chapter looks like. The park inventory is a separate document. It was a document that was updated from a previous edition which had been completed several years ago. It includes detailed pages which you can see in the bottom right corner here of every park identifying the components within each park so it's a good encyclopedia of what's all in the Chanhassen park system. And then the comp plan chapter is an abbreviation of the parks and recreation system plan and it is to be included in the City's Comprehensive Plan which will be completed next spring I believe. Any questions on the introduction? The next chapter is the trends chapter and the trends are, I believe what was presented to you in one of the first meetings talking about recreation trends in general. Memorable experiences. The importance of place in parks. Connecting with nature. Green alternatives. Transient. The idea that people are moving more in today's society and so parks and recreation needs have more awareness for the citizens of the city. Pinched budgets which is something that every community is dealing with. Aging actively. Many communities are aging and so they need to respond to their aging population. Engaging new generations. Weight loss and active living in parks. Informal adult recreation such as trail, walking, running. New and non-traditional courts such as pickleball, group fitness events and races and then the convenience of recreation programming and parks close to home and then safety is of high importance in parks and recreation. This is what the trends chapter looks like. There's a little more detail on each of those trends with images from the City of Chanhassen. Any questions on what the trends chapter includes? The existing conditions chapter is next. This is the comprehensive chapter with several maps and statistics including the park system inventory. A context of the community. Demographic information. A history of the system. The park classification including community parks, neighborhood parks, specialty parks and preserves and then a summary of the needs assessment which is the community input that was received and comparisons with other communities. This is what the existing...looks like. And some of the edits that we made were to be stages to make some of these improved graphics more clear in terms of the responses. Then you can see the set of maps that's included and this also includes regional components of the system. Or regional components of park and recreation that are within the city. Any questions on the existing conditions? The vision chapter. Kelly: I do, I've got a quick question. Actually it's for Todd. On existing conditions which comes out of the capital improvement fund, we're not submitting anything for capital improvements along with this at this time are we for the City Council? Hoffman: No. Kelly: Okay. Thank you. Hoffman: There's a, in the end there's another document that's including both the new items that we're talking about in this document and then there's a maintenance replacement plan and so that could be considered you know a portion of that so those are. Kelly: So is the maintenance plan part of this plan? Or is it going to be separate and done at a separate time? Hoffman: Separate document, yep. Kelly: Okay. Scharfenberg: But it's included in this. There's a section regarding maintenance. Hoffman: Yep there is. Kelly: Thanks Todd. (Due to technical difficulties a portion of the discussion was not recorded.) Gabrielle Grinde: ...there's funding options and sources information and then general capital operations and maintenance cost which is a table with general costs that we use as a guideline for future improvements to the park system and then the last section is the project review process which is, laid out a system for how new ideas can come into the system. Scharfenberg: So just to touch on that particular topic, the advisory committee did take into consideration the comments that had come out of our last park and rec commission meeting and discussion of moving some of the items up into the short term list and keeping others back in the long term. We kind of as the advisory committee discussed I think at length you know the difference between short term,mid term, and long term and in the end I think we all kind of agreed that keeping things short term and long term was fine. We thought it was significant to keep in the dollar amounts on the high end and the low end because we did that right? Yeah. Jim anything else that you want to comment on regarding that? Boettcher: That was the biggest thing was the short term and long term only. Keep some of the confusion out of there so the priorities are just catalogued. I think we changed, we now have 4 in long term is that correct? I believe that was the last, yeah. That's the only other thing I'd have. Scharfenberg: And the understanding again you know with respect to those projects is that they can be, they can come and move forward at any time as a particular project depending on what the commission feels is something that needs to be addressed so. Go ahead Gabrielle. (Due to technical difficulties a portion of the discussion was not recorded.) Scharfenberg: ...that presentation. Anybody have any questions for Gabrielle? Kelly: Is that going to be at their work session meeting or is it going to be at a general council meeting that this is presented? Hoffman: Work session. Probably at 5:00 or 5:30 on the 11th and this item is scheduled for approval by the City Council that evening on the consent agenda. Kelly: Thank you. Scharfenberg: Anybody else have any other questions regarding the park plan? Kelly: I like the changes that you made that we had discussed in the last meeting and I think we were supposed to forward to Jim for your general meeting. The one thing I noticed you kept in there, and again it can stay in there. It can come out. Just a matter of how we think the City Council's going to look at it as we've got you know the Rec Center in there for what up to $55 million or something like that. I can't find it at the moment and. Gabrielle Grinde: $25 to $50. Kelly: $25 to $50 thank you Gabrielle, and my only question to the group is, should that stay in? I know we've got a survey in for$50,000 or$75,000 which I think should stay in. And that could lead to other things but, and I just want the group to think about how is the City Council going to look at the whole plan and if we take out $25 to $50 million out of the plan is it going to present better and that's my only question to the council at this time. Scharfenberg: Well again I'll just speak to that, that particular issue and I think it's, I would turn your attention to, what section was it? Hoffman: It's in the page of summary of planned initiatives if you're looking for the totals. Scharfenberg: Well there was the comment in here again about the, and I think it's more, it goes to one of the memos that's in the back talking about one of the meetings that again this was all put together again with the input of the City and all of those surveys that were done regarding needs and stuff like that and that's where that, the Rec Center, that's where that information is coming from is you know we agreed as a council to include facilities as part of this, that was being done and you know that's what people spoke to in terms of the surveys that they completed and so I think it's important to keep that in given the input that people had. Kelly: Okay, I can agree with that Steve. Scharfenberg: Okay. Petouvis: This is a little bit of a tangent but at the last meeting I had asked about the Lake Ann expansion and the fact, it's very similar. We have money in for a master plan for Lake Ann but then we don't have money, and I don't think it's in the revised copy unless I'm missing it, for actually implementing a master plan in Lake Ann so I think just personally if we're going to have the Rec Center in there as funding we should probably have the Lake Ann expansion as well. Kelly: Correct me Todd if I'm right or wrong, a lot of the Lake Ann expansion that we're talking about has to do with the development of a couple properties. That hasn't happened yet because those properties haven't been sold. Is that the expansion we're talking about? Hoffman: Correct. It would be the expansion will occur whenever development occurs in both the Gorra and the Prince parcel and so those are the only two parcels involved in the future expansion,proposed expansion of Lake Ann Park. It would be to the west and north. It will likely be a combination of park dedication and likely some density transfer. It could be cash purchase so there's a variety of things to be considered and it could all happen with no dollars being exchanged. Kelly: Right. Hoffman: It could happen with $10 million dollars. Kelly: So what I'm saying is because we're not in a situation right now where we can, we have access to that land it's kind of hard to put a dollar figure in there, especially normally when it should come out of our budget you know depending upon where our budget is at at the time and depending upon the deal that the City makes with the developer, which Todd's an expert at, and so I would think it's kind of hard to put it in there right now. That's just my opinion. Not to say that we can't for future expansion but it's hard to know without what the developments are going to be. What's available to us. You know obviously we all want to see a trail get in there and we're going to do what we can to make that happen and I think the City would be on board with that even if we had to find other funds at the time but to say well we know it's going to come up at some point, and it will but we've got a lot of things that could come up at some point in the city and trying to fund something that we don't have access to is, would look difficult to me, I don't know. I don't know what other people think. Gabrielle Grinde: Yeah I think we can put, we can reiterate or insure that we have reiterated in the plan that the priorities are flexible and that it's not a budget since future plans and studies may affect the future capital budgets. Tsuchiya: I do like the idea of putting it in there though that's more of a place holder. Just to show that the commission and the body is conscience of it. I mean I understand yes it's difficult to estimate out with so many unpredictability's there. However because of the draw that Lake Aim provides and just how much improvement would come to the actual park system with the completion of the trail around the lakes and expansion of the park system to the west there, yeah that opportunity could come up at any point but I think this being a plan for short term and long term as we have it there, we don't know where it's going to come in but adding this as the fifth item in the long term section I think makes a lot of sense and just you know if you need to put an asterisk by it and say, you know best estimate I think that's pretty clear at that point but I think it's definitely something I would like to see in there because this is going to be a public document so I want everybody to know you know we do have, you know there's no firm plans but we are conscience of that ability to expand at that point. Kelly: Todd how would that, if it's in writing and developers know that it's in writing how does that affect our negotiations with them when they say well you already have these plans in place. Does that look bad? Does it not look bad? What's, from the City's standpoint is that advantageous for us to have it in writing or is it not advantageous? Hoffman: It's advantageous to have it in the plan. I'm neutral to negative to putting a number in there because then they're going to gravitate towards that number and say you have these, you have cash set aside so why are you telling me you want to acquire this via some other manner. Some of that mechanism. The acquisition of those properties might be before the plan, it might be after the 20 years. It might be before the 20 years. And if there is a dollar amount involved it's likely to be so large that it could not be budgeted simply out of a park dedication fund. It would probably require a referendum of some sort and if the deal was struck where everybody was in agreement and just took a referendum of the citizens to vote, that vote could take place. The number is identified. Whatever that number is so we can, you could put zero to $10 million. You could put you know $10 to $15 million. It's just hard to say what the eventual outcome of that negotiation would be, if anything. If a single buyer comes and purchases either of those properties as an estate lot again then they could go into another 20 to 30 to 40 year holding cycle and nothing will happen as far as the Lake Ann expansion. There's just a lot of variables. Speaking to it in this document is a good thing. It's already been identified on previous Comprehensive Plans as far as a mapping document and that's a good communication tool so we'll have it mapped here. There will be a map that shows the general expansion area. The plan itself could, we have one established plan already on file from 2000 and, about 7 years ago. About 2009-2010 that speaks to a variety of different scenarios out on that property. How it may develop. How we could acquire land. It's a challenge to put a number on it. The plan may identify a number if that plan gets some momentum and that's funded, that could identify a variety of different scenarios. It still might not put a dollar amount on it but it may put an acreage amount. It may say you know under this scenario 20 acres of property would need to be acquired. You know what does that 20 acres worth? $100,000 an acre? $200,000 an acre? Quarter million dollars an acre? Just depends on when it all comes in and how it's valued. Kelly: Todd could we put a place holder in and just put pricing unknown? Hoffman: You could, sure. Kelly: Meredith would that be something you'd like to see? Petouvis: I think that would be better than nothing since we do have the wish for a plan. An after plan in the shorter term, I think that would be perfectly acceptable. Kelly: Make a note when you're doing up the, when you're doing up the motion to add that in that way. Scharfenberg: Anybody else have any other questions about the plan that they want to discuss? Hoffman: We'd just like to draw, the page that says summary plan initiatives, that's where some of the dollar amounts are noted for those that are interested. Summary of plans. It has the purple boxes and then down in the bottom. So the total short term, long term, ongoing trail gaps. There's two numbers. There's the low cost, $42 million and then if you take out the Recreation Center build out it goes down to $17 million and then the high cost $95 million if you take out the Recreation Center build out you're down to $45 million on the high. And then just to the left it speaks to the$8 million dollars that's being estimated for maintenance repair and replacement and that's on the current system and so those are the dollar amounts and they're all identified by specific item. They'll be available for the City Council to review and then how they choose to, how this commission chooses to, especially on the, this commission doesn't get heavily involved in operations and maintenance recommendations. That's really a City Council decision. You can certainly send them a recommendation on that but traditionally you've been dealing with new improvements, capital and CIP improvements on the new side. But that's where the dollars are at least characterized and noted as a part of the executive summary. Boettcher: Something there, if you look at that cost, the one you were just referring to Todd. Total $42 million on the low side without the Rec Center$17 million so you took out$25 but on the high side if you take out the Rec Center you're dropping$50. Gabrielle Grinde: Because the Rec Center low estimate. Scharfenberg: Low and high for the Rec Center. Boettcher: Can you put that in there? I mean it looks. Gabrielle Grinde: Oh to identify, yeah. Boettcher: Yeah,just the difference. Kelly: It says total without signature facilities so I think that means the Rec Center. Boettcher: Right but here's $25 million and there's $50. Kelly: Oh okay, yep I see what you're saying. Boettcher: So it's not called out. Kelly: Got it. Call it out. Gabrielle Grinde: And subtracting that. Scharfenberg: Anything else anyone wants to comment on? I Kelly: You know Steve I think we pretty well hashed out in the last meeting the changes that we were really looking for and I'm ready for Meredith to put together a motion if she is, and nobody else has any comments. Petouvis: I move that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the City Council adopt the Parks and Recreation System Plan with the addition in the Priorities Section, long term capital investment initiative of a place holder without dollar value for Lake Ann potential expansion. Kelly: I second the motion. Scharfenberg: We have a motion and a second. Petouvis moved, Kelly seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the City Council adopt the Parks and Recreation System Plan with the addition in the Priorities Section, long term capital investment initiative of a place holder without dollar value for Lake Ann potential expansion. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 9 to 0. 1 1 1