10-3-90 Agenda and PacketFile
AGENDA
CHANHASSEN PI.ANNING COU}{TSSION
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1990, 7:30 p.M.
CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE
CALL TO ORDER
PUBLIC EARINGS
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Conditional Use Pernit for a restaurant and bar on propertyzoned BN, Neighborhood Business District and located in tfreSeven-Forty One Crossing Shopping Center, pJrs Restaurant,Jerry Irrthun.
Prelininary Plat Review to subdivide 78.37 acres ,into zEsingle fanily Lots on property zoned RSF and located justsouth of Tigua Lane, lake Riley HiIJ.s, John Klingelhutz.
Site PLan Amendnent for a 4,260 square foot addition to theexisting building on property zoned fop and located at 7870Park Drive, Industrial Infornation Controls.
Zoning Ordinance Amendnent to amend Sections 2O-7f4 and 20-81.4, Conditional Uses in the BH and IOp Districts to allow andcreate standards for vehicLe inspection stations in thesedistricts.
Jerry Perkins of tope Associates, property zoned fop,rndustrial office park and Located at the inlerslction of pari
Road and Park Place:
Conditional use pernit to allow for a vehicle inspectionstation i
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OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
APPROVAL OF UINUTES
CTTY COI'NCIL UPDATE
ONGOING ITEIIIS
ADIIII NI STRATIVE APPROVAI,S
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b. Prelirninary plat to replat Lot 3, Block 1, ChanhassenLakes Business park sth Addition into two lotsi
Prelininary plat to repl.at a portion of an outlot inChanhassen llall Addition and placement of Uarket Boulevard.The property is ).ocated just south and t{est of Chanhassen Borrland north of the Soo Line Railroad Tracks, Easy RiderAddition.
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Seven Forty One Crossing Shopping Center
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APPLICANT:Jeff Irrthum
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The site is currently developed as a
shopping center with a SuperAmerica station
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shopping center.
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PROPOSAL/SWMARY
The applicant is proposing to develop a 5,800 square footrestaurant with a bar. Ihe restaurant is proposed to be located inthe nost easterly portion of the shopping center where it isfurthest removed fron the neighboring residential areas. Therestaurant is called P.J. rs Restaurant and Bar and will beproviding casual restaurant atnosphere with a bar attached as anextension of the restaurant (Attachnent #5). The concept has beenconpared uith a sports bar having some sinilarity to t.Chanppsr.
The menu wiLl incl,ude harnburgers, Reubens, chicken sanduichea anda salad bar. The seating nake up of the restaurant and bar isapproxirnately 60t (114) for restaurant and 4Ot (78) for the bar.The hours of operation are proposed at 11:OO a.n. to 12:30 p.m.,
seven days a week. Access to the restaurant will be through the:aost easterly access entrance to the shopping center. Theapplicants are naking a separate request for a liquor license. Theapplication will be consigered by the City Council independently ofPlanning Cornmission action. No planning Comnission review orrecommendation of the liquor license by the planning Courmission isrequired and there are no specific zoning ordinance standardsrelated to the license save for increased parking and setbackstandards.
Due to the sensitive nature of the site and its background, staffL,as reasonably cautious in approaching our reviet of this request.
We note that although this is Located in a neighborhood businessdistrict, the ordinance provides little diffeientiation betneenrestaurants allowed in this and Dore intensive connercialdistricts. The appl icants uere responsive to staffrs concernsregarding the intensity of use to the extent that the operation waschanged fron a 50150 restaurant/bar seating arrangenent to a 60/40to enphasize that it's prinary function will be food service. Theapplicant also rras cooperative in addressing parking andlandscaping/screening issues. It rras also indicated that a rLvisedcenter nanagenent tean intends to be nore responsive to the Cityrsrequests that site inprovenents be conpleted. Due to the staffconcerns over the background of the site and previous neighborhoodinvolvement, it was stressed that the applicants should hold a
neighborbood neeting prior to the Planning Conrnission neeting. Theneeting is scheduled for Uonday, October 1, 1990.
Parking was a najor concern during this revies since restaurantswith liguor generate a nuch higher parking deDand then nornalretail.. As a result of discussions with staff, a proof-of-parkingplan has been developed that will. boost the number of avlitaUlestalls if these are shown to be required. fhe proof-of-parkingplan results in the elinination of a 4,OOO square foot freestanding retail building near the uest property line. Thisbuilding rras approved sithin the originat concept but reDains
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unbuilt. It's construction will not be alloued unless a parking
study, conpleted after the center is ful1y occupied, indicates thatsufficient stalIs are available.
BACKGROUND
There has been a 1ot of history on this site culninating rrith the
rezoning of the property froE oI, office Institutional to BN,
Neighborhood Business. originally, the request by the first
applicant rrras to rezone it to comnercial with higher intensity uses
than perrnitted by the Neighborhood Business District. After a longprocess, the City did agree to rezone the property to Business
Neighborhood District which is intended rrto provide Linited lowintensity neighborhood retail and service establishnents to neetdaily needs of residencestr.
on April 25, 1988, the city Council. approved the first reading for
the rezoning of the property at the southuest corner of Hwy. 7 and41 from oI , office fnstitutional to BN, Neighborhood BusinessDistrict (Attachnent #1). on the sane date, the Council also
approved the subdivision of the subj ect property into 3 conmerciallots and site plan revj,ew for a 25,000 square foot shopping center.
An anended site plan ras subrnitted to the City for City Council
approval and on JuIy 25, 1988, the City Council approved the finalsite plan for the shopping center uith the folloving conditions
(Attachnent #2):
1. Subuission of a revised landscaping plan prior to issuance of
a building pernit.
2. Subnission of detail plans on the light standards and naIIIights in the rear of the building.
Compliance with the recoromendations of the Engineering
DepartDent.
The shopping center currentfy contains neighborhood Eervices suchas a video store, a Subrray Restaurant and a snall Italian
Restaurant recently approved under Conditional Use PerEit *90-2.
A day care center is in the process of locating at the center. The
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Based upon these findings, staff is recornmending that theconditional use pernit be approved with appropriate conditions. werealize that the operation may be viewed as controversial in lightof the site's history but believe that the request is consistentwith current ordinances. If intensity of use renains an issue, itcould be addressed by the city council uith the liquor licenserequest or could be further addressed by a reassessDent of
allowable uses in the BN District.
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daycare center is a pernitted use. Staff administratively
authorized the construction of an outdoor play area for the daycare
on the south side of the building. In the process, several parking
sta11s have been elininated without resulting in variances to therequired parking. Additional screening of the rear of the buildingis being reguired.
There are final irnprovenents to the site which stil1 need to becompleted. A letter fron Dave Henpel, dated August 29, 1990, liststhe reroaining inprovenents (Attachnent #3). The City has given thedeveloper until. septenber 10, 1990, to subnit a letter of intent toconplete the site inprovements. On SepteDber 14, 1990, the Cityreceived a letter fron Dick Heise providing a proposal to conplet-the site improvernents (Attachnent #4). The iuproveroents shall becompleted by November 15, 1990. The weeds on the site have been
noved .
Site Conditions
The site pLan approval for the Seven Forty One Crossing Shoppingcenter included several conditions and site iurprovenents that wererequired as part of the approval . Staff has had several contactswith the deveLopers of the shopping center to have several
improvernents to the site conpleted, which as of this date are stj,Ilyet to be done. In a letter from Dave Henpel dated August 29,1990, the city inforned the developers that if progress uas not
made immediately on the site, the City would begin to draH down onthe letter of credit to conplete the inprovenents necessary. Theoutstanding itens to be conpleted are as follows:
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Finish street and stornStreet.serrer construction on 54th
Repair erosion danageretail center.
in the pond lying south of the
3. Replace dead landscaping on retail site.
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Retoove ueeds around retail site and replace uith sod orseed to stabilize slopes.
Conplete landscaping as ahown on the approved plans dated
Novenber 9, 1989, via SuDac, etc.
In a raeeting uith the appl icant, etaff stresaed the lDportance ofthe site being conpleted as approved prior to thL planning
Comnission and City council revieulng additlonal uee of the site.Staff again visited the aite on Septenber 25, 1990, and found thatthe veeds had been moved. The applicant has until Novenber 15,1990, to coroplete the irnprovenents or the city rill drav down on
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the letter of credit to make the irnprovenents.
PARXING / IANDSCAPING
The owner of the property has until Novenber 15, 1990, to coroplete
irnprovements to the site, including finishlng landscaping. Theapplicant has agreed to provide 4 additional coniferous trees atthe rear of the restaurant to provide additional screening. Arevised landscaping plan should be provided for staff approval . Aletter of credit is required.
Parking provisions rrere a najor concern of staff during revien ofthis application. The site currently ueets ordinance requireroentseven after deducting the stalls that are being renoved to
accommodate the daycare play area uhj.ch is Iocated at the rear ofthe structure. Holrever, it nust be stressed that the Zoning
Ordinance does not provide entirely adequate direction indeternining parking standards for nulti-tenant buildings such asthe one where PJ's Restaurant is proposed to be located.currently, the ordinance requires that there be 1 stalI for each
200 square feet of gross floor area for shopping centers. However,
the ordinance encourages the city to use other Eeans to deternineparking reguirernents for nulti-tenant buildings. This isparticularly inportant in cases such as this rhere the parking
denand l j.sted in the ordinance for a restaurant uith liquor risesto 1 stal1 for every 50 square feet of gross floor area or 1 stallper 2 seats, whichever is greater.
Staff used a variety of neans to deternine parking requireEents forthis proposal , We contacted other conmunities, Dost notably,
Dlinnetonka, to ascertain rrhat sorts of parking requirenents uereutiLized in locating the neu Chanpps Sports Bar and if in fact
these provj,sions have proven to be adequate since the restaurant is
nord open. we found out that there is 1 stalL for every 35 squarefeet of gross floor area for the Chanpps facility uhich adnj.ttedly
generates a very high turnover that is not like1y to be duplicatedirith PJrs Restaurant. Houever, it shouLd also be noted that
employees of the Chanpps Restaurant are required to park off-site,so all staIls available under the ordinance are available forcustoDers. Thus, staff settled on using the 1 per 35 square footrequirenent for the PJrs Restaurant. We did not feel it vasappropriate to apply a sirnilar atandard to the two other foodoperations located in the shopping center. this includes the
Subrray Restaurant, uhich iE largely take-out, and tbe enall ItalianRestaurant. Based on actual operating experience, ve have verlfiedthat approxinately 11 cars are the peak requirenent for each ofthese establishDents. Thus, ataff conputed the following
requirements :
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Subway Restaurantftalian Restaurant
PJrs Restaurant
(5,500 s.f. at 1 sta1l/35 s.f)
Reuaining RetaiL
(17,2AA s.f. at 1 stall/200 s.f.)
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The calculation illustrated above does not include parkingrequirenents for the 4r000 square foot future building illultratedon the plans. Utilizing the 1 sta1l per 2OO square foot standard,if this building were to exist, it ruould require an additional 20stalls bringing the grand total reguired on site up to 281.
The original site plan was developed yith 212 parking sta11s ofvhich sone 7 stalls were eLininated to accornmodate the daycarecenter outdoor play yard. Thus, there are 205 stalls currEntlylocated on the site. with a total gross requireuent of 281 staLtsand a current availability of 205 sta11s, there is obviously asignificant shortfall that nust be renedied if the pJ's Restaurantproposal is to be considered favorably.
Staff worked extensively with the applicants to develop a ne!,parking pIan. A nunber of opportunities were explored, some ofwhich, including granting a variance to the 5b foot setbackrequired along the east property Iine, uere rejected by staff.other opportunities included the restriping of the parking 1ot touse the 8l foot wide sta11s currentl.y aIlolred under the oidinancethat was recently redrafted, reconfiguring the parking lot toinprove efficiency and the elinination of the 4,OOO square footfree standing retail building. As a result of these diicussions,a proof-of-parking plan has been developed that would provide atotal of 261 parking stalLs if fully inplenented. This issufficient to neet ordinance requirements as defined by staff sincethe proof-of-parking plan results in the eliDination of the freestanding retail building so that the total parking requirenent isalso 251 stal ls.
Staff is generally satisfied wi.th the proof-of-parking pIan,although it needs to be refined in tuo areas. The first is thatcalculations need to be provided denonstrating that the reloiatedparking lot islands provide aufficient green space to Deetordinance reguirenents. The second is that a revised landscapingplan needs to be provided that is conpatible yith the proof-of-parking plan and with city requireDents. ttith these provisions innind, staff is corofortable with the plan and sith €he fact thatthis would be provided as proof-of-parking sta11s rather thanrequiring actual construction irnnediately. we believe that the
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calcuLation of parking requirements is often nore of an art than ascience and that through the use of the proof-of-parking plan,ultiraate needs for the site can be accoEaodated uithout requiring
undue expenditure of funds initialJ.y.
There are, however, two further items regarding the proof-of-parking plan that warrant discussion. The first is that staff is
recomnending that the 9 parking stal1s illustrated on the east sideof the building actually be required to be constructed nith the
opening of PJ's Restaurant. We believe these stalls are reguiredso that enployees nay be forced to parked at the rear of thebuilding, thus freeing up parking stalls in front of the restaurantfor custoner traffic. We also sish to note that rre have agreedlrith the applicant that nhile the proof-of-parking plan requiresthe elirnination of a free standing 4,000 square foot retailbuilding, that there nay be soEe opportunity to reconsider theconstruction of this building at sone point in the future. Staff
has indicated a willingness to reconsider the possible constructionof this building under the following circunstances. The applicants
must be willing to conpensate the city for a parking analysis that
rrould be conpleted by a consultant working for the city. Thisanalysis lrould only be acceptable if it rrere undertaken at sonepoint in the future where a substantial portion of the building isfully leased and the PJ's Restaurant is in fu1I operation so thatactual operational parking requirernents in the shopping center canbe verified. If this study concludes that there is a surplus
amount of parking, then staff sould be uilling to reconsider thepossible construction of the free standing building. Anotherrequirenent for the proof-of-parking plan is that there be acondition applied to this request that uould prevent theinstallation of any additional food service or restaurantestablishnents in this shopping center. Since food serviceestablishnents generate excessive parking denand and since thisshopping center is already gtoing to be naximized relative toparking availability, we believe that it would be inappropriate toallow any further food service operations at this site.
BUSTNESS NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT REGUI,ATIONS
Section 20-691 states that the intent of the BN District is toprovide for linited 1ow intensity neighborhood retail and serviceestablishnents to rneet daily needs of residents. permitted uses i.nthe BN District include convenj,ence stores without gas putnps,
neighborhood oriented retail shops, day care centers, profesaionaloffices, private clubs and Lodges, and shopping centers.Conditional uses in the BN District include convenience stores irithgas pumps, autonotive servj.ce stations, drive-in banks, bed andbreakfast establishDents and standard restaurants. The ZoningOrdinance defines a standard restaurant as an establishment whoseprincipal business is the sale of food and/or beverages to
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customers in a ready to consune state, and whose principalhethod of operation includes one
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1 Custoners, nornaLly provided with an individual uenu,served their food and beverages by a restaurant employeethe saDe table or counter at which food and beverages
consu!0ed .
2. A cafeteria-t)T)e operation uhere food and beverages generallyare consumed within tlre restaurant building.
The zoning Ordinance only differentiates betueen a fast foodrestaurant and a standard restaurant. The Zoning Ordinance doesnot differentiate between a standard restaurant with or uithout aliquor license. The definition of a standard restaurant includesthe sale of food and/or beverage. The ordinance does notspecificalJ.y regulate lrhat tlT)e of food or beverage can be sold atthe standard restaurant. Therefore, a restaurant uith or withouta liquor license is sti1l a I'standard restaurantr and is pernittedas a conditional use in the Neighborhood Business District. Theissue of selling liquor at an establ.ishrnent in a [eighborhoodBusiness District or anywhere else in the city is addressEd at thetine that the applicant applies for a liguor license for theestablishnent. A liquor license application is published in thenevspaper giving the pu.blic an opportunity to speak and is heldbefore the City Council.
SPECIFIC CONDITTONAL USE PERIT{IT STANDARDS FOR STANDARD RESTAT'RANTS
The one specific standard for a conditional use pernit for astandard restaurant under Section 20-2A6 requires a standardrestaurant to not be perroitted within IOO feet of any residentialparcel . The location of the restaurant in the shopping center isat the nost easterly end of the shopping center and aII externaland internal wa1ls of the restaurant are well beyond the required100 foot setback froD any residential parcel . the ordinance is notspecific as to rrhere the setback should be neasured. Otherinterpretations could utilize the property 1ine, in uhich case thesetback uould not be Det, or even the front door. We revieved thematter with the City Attorney and he found our neasuring of thesetback froD the nearest exterior Hall to be reasonable..
GENERAL ISSUANCE STANDARDS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERII{ITS
The Zoning Ordinance lists 12 general standards that Dust be metfor a conditional use pernit to be approved. The applicant is inthe process of applying for the Iiquor license vtrictr ritt Uereviewed through a public hearing in front of the Clty Council..Since the applicant is pursuing the llquor license, stalf will, be
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reviewing the general j.ssuance standards in terms of the standard
restaurant serving liguor in the establ ishrnent.
1. Will not be detrinental to or endanger the public health,safety, confort, 'convenience or general uelfare of the
neighborhood or the city.
*During the rezoning of the property, there was a 1ot of
concern frou the neighboring residences about the tl1)esof uses would be perroitted on the site, specificallystating that the sale of liquor should not be pemitted.
This can be seen nith the fact that SuperAmerica vas notperrnitted to sell. 3.2 beer on the site. The concern rrasthat such a use would possibly endanger the publichealth, safety, confort, or general selfare of the
neighborhood or city since it is in such close proxinityto a residential neighborhood and a school . (The
ltinnetonka uiddLe Schoo1 is located just south on Hrry.41.) It Dust, houever, be noted that this license wasfor itoff-salerr purposes and there was a concern that this
could lead to under-regulated drinking by ninors. Thecurrent request is for an rron-salerr license which is
fundanentally dif ferent.
The site is separated fron the neighborhood vith it's onnindividual access to and froD Ifiry. 7 and 41. There is no
access fron the site to the adjacent neighborhood.
Therefore, people entering and leaving the site ui1I not
be directed through the adjacent neighborhood. Access
from the neighborhoods to the nearby school sil1 be
provided through the trail system located south of thesite so again, the conflict of pedestrian traffic andpeople using the restaurant is nininal . There are
several establishnents that could attract children to the
shopping center before and after school . A standardrestaurant uith a bar could result in sone patrons
becoming intoxicated and posing a nuisance to neighboring
residences and renoving the sense of safety and comfort.
However, in ligbt of the restaurantis remote location inthe center and Lack of direct access into the
neighborhood, the chances for such problens occurring
should be ninirnal. In any case, the City Council would
have the authority to respond to any conplaints and suchproblens could jeopardize the liguor license. The liguorlicense is reviered annually by the City Councll. fheavailability of liquor on-site nay be perceived asdetri.Dental to the health, safety, confort and general
-uelfare of the city.
2. will be consistent sith the obj ectives of the cityts
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comprehensive plan and this chapter.
* A standard restaurant with a liquor license at this siteis consistent with the conprehensive plan whichdesignates this area as conmercial.
will be designed, constructed, operated and naintained so tobe cornpatible in appearance trith the existing or intendedcharacter of the general vicinity and w111 not change theessential character of that area.
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The restaurant si11 be located sithin an existingshopping center and will not change the existing orintended character of the general vicinity and will not
change the essential character of that area. The parkinglot conf igruration rrilI change due to the addition ofparking sta11s but all of the improvenents to the sitewill roeet the zoning ordinance requirenents and providethe landscaping typically required for any developnent.Therefore, even uith changes to the parking lot, the sitewill essentialLy naintain the sane characteristics. Infact, there will be sorne inprovenent for the neighborhoodresulting frorn the fact that additional screening isbeing required across the currently exposed ieareLevation of the structure.
Will not be hazardous or disturbing to existingneighboring uses.
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*Again, a restaurant with a liquor license could beperceived to be disturbing to existing and planned
neighboring uses. There is the possibility of increasedtraffic and activity on the site due to the restaurantrslater hours rrhich could result in disturbances to theneighboring uses. Hovever, as noted above the potentialfor such disturbances siLl be uininized by the site plan
and location of the restaurant.
Will be served adequately by essential public facilities andservices, including atreets, potice and fire protection,
drainage structures, refuse dieposal, uater and sewer ByEtems
and schools, or will be Eerved adequately by such facllitiesand services provided by the peraons or agencies re8ponsibl.efor the establishnent of the proposed use.
The site is adequately served by the essential publicfacilities and services. The site Has designed to
accomnodate the shopping center. There will inprovenentsto the parking Iot to further acconnodate the restaurantand the need for additional parking.
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Will not create excessive requirenents for public facilities
and services and vi11 not be detrinentaL to the econonic
weLfare of the community.
* The restaurant ni1l not create excessive requireDents forpublic facilities and services and uiII not be
detrinental to the econonic rrelfare of the coumunity.
wiII not involve uses, activities, processes, rnaterials,
equipment and conditions of operation that will. be detrinentalto any persons, property or the general uelfare because of
excessive production of traffic, noise, snoke, fumes, g1are,
odors, rodents, or trash.
As previously stated, there is sone potential for
additional traffic and noise inpacts due to the hours of
the establishment. As far as the possibility for odors,
rodents and trash, staff is reguiring that all garbage bestored internally nininizing any inpact frou excessive
trash as a result of the restaurant.
WilI have vehicular approaches to the property which do notcreate traffic congestion or interfere with traffic or
surrounding public thoroughfares.
The site has been designed to accommodate the shopping
center with separate access fron Hwy. 7 and 41. The
restaurant uill therefore, not create traffic congestionto interfere tlith traffic or surrounding public
thoroughfares .
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Will not result in the destruction, Ioss or damageaccess, natural, scenic or historic features
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The proposed restaurant will not be changing the designof the building, therefore, it will not result in thedestruction, losa or daEage of solar access, natural,
scenic or historic features of najor significance.
10. Will be aesthetically conpatible vith the area.
*The existing structure will not be changed and therefore,will be maintained aesthetically conpatible uith the
area.
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11. will not depreciate surrounding property values.
* There may be claims that a standard restaurant with a
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liguor license could deprecj.ate surrounding propertyvalues. The only ray to deternine if this is true souLdbe for an appraisal of the property to be conducted andin our experience these studies have been inconclusive.
I{il1 neet standards prescribed for certain uses as provided inthis article.
The proposed restaurant does neet the one specificstandard for a conditional use pernit for a standardrestaurant in the Neighborhood Business District.
In all of the reguests l,ith subject site in the past, thesurrounding neighborhood has been very involved in the prbcess. Asa result of the neighborhood input, the property uas deniedapproval to rezone fron office Institutional to Cohrnercial andinstead a new designation of Neighborhood Business uas created toprovide quasi conmercial district to service neighborhood dailyneeds. Since any application with the subject site has resulted inhigh interest by the adjacent neighborhood in the past, staff hasalvays recommended to any applicant to hold a neighborhood neetingto explain the application they are subnitting to the city toreceive input fron the neighborhood and to at that tine try toaddress any of their concerns. It was felt that the proposal bythe applicant for a standard restaurant uith a bar may causeconcern uith the adjacent neighborhood. Staff again, highly
recommended that the applicant neet nith the neighborhood beforethe Planning Commission and City Council reviewed the applicationto inform the residents of exactly what was being proposed and totry to address any of their concerns. The applicant uilI beholding a neighborhood neeting on october 1, 1990, two days priorto the Planning Connission Deeting.
Neiqhborhood Involvement
RECOMI,TENDATION
Staff reconmends thenotion:Planning Conmission adopt the following
IThe Planning Conmission reconDends approval of Conditional UsePernit *90-4 for PJrs Restaurant, uith the folloring condltions:
1. A revised landscaping pLan shall be subDitted providLng fourconiferous trees aouth of the PJ|E Restaurant aite and aletter of credit covering the coet and installatlon of thetrees vill be required and held for one year after planting.
2 The proof of parking plan is accepted uith the followingconditions:
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Calculations shall be provided verifying internal parkinglot landscaping meets the parking ordinance requirenents.
A revised landscaping plan shall be subnitted providing
description of internal parking lot landscaping.
The 9 stalls on the east side of the building shdl1 be
constructed prior to the opening of PJrs Restaurant.
No additional restaurants vi11 be peraitted in the Seven-Forty one Crossing Shopping Center.
The additional parking sholrn on the proof of parking planwill be constructed within 5 nonths of being required by
Planning staff.
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A?TACTIMENTS
city council ninutes dated April 25, 1988.City Council ninutes dated July 25, 1988.L€tter frora Dave IIenpeI dated August 29, 1990.Letter from Dick Heise dated SepteEber 14, 1990.Site Plan of building.
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I site plan- I'd just briefly rike to review those and point out scme additionarinformation that has been mide available. As far as tire rezonirg action isconcerned from the office insti.tutional to the nei ghborhood tusiiess district,the Planning conmission felt more ccrnfortable r,rith-thi.s proposaL because of thecreaEion of tbe BN district in the new zoni ng ordinan.e.' 6, tr,e neiti,urr,ooazonirg district specificarly contrors height to orE story for the tt66 of usesthat are propos€d. rt also estabrishes a 5g foot boildi;g ard parkiit-setuackfron adjacent honres ard reguires a strict anount of r..""iirq t; be c;nsEuctedbethEen residentiar ard cqrmercial properties. !\:rther, it irovides for aspecific list of neighborhood ori.enled- uses. Another i ton oi this proposalthat sesns to gain more acceptarce than previous proposars ras the tra?ricseparation frcm the camnercial devei.ognent to the- adjac€nt Deighborhood.Basically e,trar that entailed, at the il.anning @nnisiion ras a discussion oftre options. option r being vacation of exiiting G4th street ard rearigrmenr- of 64th street further to tlle soutlr bf 1I{ 4r so [trat a rutt intersection clurdbe created into the develotrment on rH 41 accordirg to MnDot staDdards,approxinately 60a f.€L south of rH 7. this option proposed an extensi on oforiole Iane doLrn to it's existing terminous arc ttrei eist adjacent to the Go$renand the Reed property. Another option that rcs di scussed at the planning
conrni ssion meeting, as labeled on your plans as option 2 or staff has kird ofcalled it the Z option, rrould crisscross through -the need property. Again,allowirg for the fu11 intersection farther to ihe north. i tirinx-it,s fair tosay that the planning ccrnni ssion felt that a reconnecti on to 1Tl 41 for E4thstreet was important. They also agreed with the neighborhood cldrnents thatthere should not be asses$nents created out of this ioad constructi on projectard the cost, if one of these options or another option to connect it io 111 rllshculd be born by the developer. The council does have that option to requirethat. si.nce the pranning ccnrni ssion meeti. ng there have been t-rc additionaralternatives suggested by the developer. vlhat r€'re calling as option 3 is theconstruciion of a cul-de-sac at the southwest corner of the cormeiciar site on54th. straet. This option r,ould not make a connection back to 111 4r. etion 4is the sa,Te principre hor,ever it goes farther i.nto the Reed properiy anb,,pu:.aprovide for future resubdivision of the Reed property. rc knar tfrii is a'change from the planning ccnrni.ssi on. rbr"ever, ii is-staff's reccnmenaitionthat a reconnection of 64th Street is very, very important to the n"ilf.,Uornooain this area. As you can tell by this ov6rheadl *r;.s is m z on-tii"-ioitt,ltl 41 over here, that this washta Bay Road/orchard tane neighborlrood has rnacEess into and out of the area other than -64 th street ani rl 7. there is noabirity to cross or connect to Darurcuth Drive to the bEst ue""us" -oi- ti,.r€tland area. cJ.osl ng off 64tlr street r€uld force all of the residenti"r t ip"onto Itr 7. TH 7 is a minor arteriar and serves a different purpose. rtrsFrrpose is to move tlaffic betr€en t$ro lbints at a fairly r.iiO'*."a anawithout a lot of i nterruption. Retaining the connection-or ietrr Stilt rcuraallow traffic cuning out of tJris rEighboihood to 90 south on nr li lru -provides
1 secgF means of. ingress ard egress. llerefore, $hat staff is recanreitir,gcourcil to take direction on is rrtpther or mt 5{t}r street shoulil be-reconnected to Itl 4r. rtrs our recqnnerdation that it shourd be. t?rat ei therQti.on r, 2 or scme other option can be e,valuated in trDre aetaii ntren ule neeaproperty rculd csre in for platting. Corditim of apprwal that Bsreccnrnerded by the planni.ng cormissi.on r€s that that- prat for the Reed pEolErtyrculd be approved by the Courcil before construction could occur ql ttEcormerciar property. As to tbe site pran issues, three itenrs ttrat e,d like tofollow up on. ooe r there ras concem- about lardscapirB arong tre telternborder of Ehe site. rhat the landscapi n9 rpuld exttnd to ei nr 7 property
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larry Brohrn: As stated in tlte report, kind of at the 12th tpur, concerns canpup regarding the water guality as this ploposed storm sewer pipe rculddischarge into the Herman Fierd EErk. - |lci the P"rk itserf Lui tl" r€tlardsdor,n by Henran Field park. rn goirE back to the watershed District with theseclncerns, they revised their initiar reccimEndation and stated t}at ttey ranteoaddj tional on-sire poding.. Ttre plan that )rou see before f.r-t*iglrt "ddressesu1ose. ctncerns by constructi ng th', ponds. cre rrp trere in ilre nortfoi"t "or.=.ard the one you donrt see, because this is trre oia transparercy, i"-ti= on"that on your plan shown in the southeast corner. rtrese funas ii pioriJ"adegrate sedirentation ard the watershed District has given ttreir'veruarapproval on these. As you know, they wiu not give ttreir formal approval untilthe council acts on trese. The othei issue was tl,. righti.rE .o*"-pi-piun.Since-Lhe nei ghborhood had -brought up such a great concern ibout ti:e ilare,they designed out or sIEced out speci.ar rightirq fixtures similar to iL onesthai ycu see in rhe city Halt rots ard kep[ t]re- futt hei ghts ui ig-ie.['"o"nthat t.,e giare r,ourd noi be affecti.s uny othei adjacent-rot on .i=.--They have90ne as far as taking this to a lighting consultanl and had this plan anaryzedto ;rEke sure that the glare hDuld not be affectj ng the adjacent piopertyotrners. liitn that I'11 leave it open to courcil $testiona.
!'layor Hanjlton: vJhat Ird like to do is have the develoEEr, do you have aPresentation you'd like to make?
Roger- Zahn: My rEme is Roger Zahn. I.m president of HSZ Eve]otrnent. Ildjust like to give a little bit of backgrourd on our approach to i n'nber of theissues that r€ sae, with respect to thii property as re str.died it ard rookedinto !,hether or not r€ sbould go formrd- nilb tiis aevetogneni. -x"ring- .oathe Minutes of the past councir ard plannirq ccnmission mi.eti.ngs arc iiiea totake into account tbe c'orcerns raised tlere, roany of ttran legilirnate ard tryingto solve those probrsns. In our atproactt to the develogrent, e have tried toa great extent to listen to tle neigtrbors ard i.f they had a preferred approachthat r€.might take, r€ tried to taka that ard nork wi ttr trrgn. that has'causedus !9 lind of change direcrions a rittle bit nDre often I think than staffrculd like us to do ard perhaps r€'ve caused a fery c.oncerns qr tteii p"ia uvdoing that but r€ have done it in an effort to c@IEEate vith ttE ,=iituor=.the cuLde-sac ideas that have been discussed andt itrat have been urouitri to 1oulincg tne plann j ng @rmission neeting r€re basically the rcigrruor"-liii.t.rr.".the Reeds ard rhe corEns, in our disiussim nith ttrim initiairv tt=i sa* ai.ittre bit npre of the idea of nnving a road arl tt,e ray trrroritr onto Ttt ,[ aljttle bit more favorably "t, I thin[ in anaryzi.ng theii osr "it*iiors, tt=yrould prefer to do it thi s r"ray and that's tine wi[rr r:s. so rp dre$ w icr*
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I It. 're had a preference Le hould agree with the Reeds ard Golrens ard the oth6r
I ::]g]rbors rhar thjng rLrat Hay, thar tlre curde-sac approach hould probabty be' the best ard it is our preferred approach at this time. At this $int r tr,;nxI'11 turn, so you can see, re've got sc.ne presentation boards and rre've gotJohn uban frcm Dahlgren, shardlow & Ircan here to discuss the plannirg isiuestlEt he has rrorked on and r.erve got J.D. I.lacRae frqn geise, {an, l,tactiae andAssociates to discuss the architectural concerns ard also irlin tarson frcrrBarrientos ard Associates to ansvrerr questions that lncu nay have regarding anyengineering. Craig Johnson aLso frqn that fitm regie irg- Iartscapir,g. iuhink I'11 turn it over to John aE this point.
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John Uban: You're all very faniliar wi ttr this. I will briefly shotr this toyou. To give you an idea of sdne of the things that r€ looked ard had to deal
ljP ?" r€ rrere tryirg to develop a good develoFrEnt scenario for this parcel.this is a 20A scale aerial photograph. fhe sr:bject property is right ai theintarsection of TH 7 ard Tlt 41. Ihis piece is isolated in i sense- frqn theneighborrood in that it really doesn,t share access into the neighborhoodjtsel-f ar:d rea1ly is incr-unbered by the extrsne exposure to the highuay sysran
rrhj c:r actua]Iy nakes it a good si.te for doing sonething like neighborhood
coirmerc j al. That's the attack uE took ard yet at the sane time, all theresjden:s in t5e pattern of develoFnent that has happened in the IEst, really
spoke to try to separate the traffic systsns frqn these tte uses. So we looiedat a nethoi of doing that. lle rcrked wjth the neighbors to really c.oEle outwitlr the best plan. Also to the south is a major Hennepin couirty park ard open
space system. The actual property js djvided LE) jnto many single fanj ly plots
on:c the ,est ad r,e have on Oriole Drive the connection of 64th over to TH 4lthe ;ay i: exists today. That connects to TH 7 and loops back across into theneigrbcrhoE and to the west. So ure looked at the lard to the south owned by
tu.'c indivicuals tc se€ wtrat kind of opti ons 1€ had. !.Ie also looked at the areacircul::ic;r and did siuCies ard r.e looked at the basic water drainage systsfl.
Here ,,€ fcund '-hat ther= r"ere scrne ponds put in place by the HJ ghway Departsnentthat were Craining the norther portions of the site but primarily most of i.t
came through a very informal fashion anl fourd their t€y into a marshrand justbefore it entered the lake which i.s a good natural systsn to take care of Lhe!rate!. So now r"erve only tried to augEnent that to meet the criteria of theWatershe,l District ard the City so this water is now hardled ttE best r.,aypossible. r^re've studied this and solved sone probrens. rhere's mter thatcones acloss the road. l{erve 100ked at all 0f those devero[ments. rn ourdiscussions, staff has already reviered ule options that r.ei ve looked at but rcdid several. things. tE toet.rrith lhDot. t€ tiied to r€rk out problas ihatthey had. Eo-oosi.ng to add a rarp, a by-pass rane and tlren a aeaccetlerationard acceleration lane for the entrarces. llhat lE.ve deveroped then is a pieceof land with it's or,ln furr *'cess rrhich separates it cunpleiely frcm tlEneighbcrhood ard this $ent a long ray to really get the use in-tegrated withmuch better archj Eecture, loer buildjngs, good landscaping, good -tbacks, lowglare lighting, aI1 these features to really rnake it sprk.- tt also uorkedwith l.trrDot Eo try and develop a solution to a \rery dangerous situatlon. It isvery difficurt for westbound Eraffic to rEke a left turn onto oEiore IatE so 1€sprked with therD and they wilt rrw, tl'ri s surmer, be restriping that -ction ofthe road for a dedj cated left turn lane because in the pasi people have beensitting in there, high speed traffic csning up behird tlE r and tlrey, re sittingthere waitirg to make this sesningly innocuoG left turn ard it.s very
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that problem ard we thirg e€ have worked that out nos, rri th ltnDot. rhisdevelognent rooked at diiferent u,ays or-prlti-ng access into the rand to thesouth to give thgn fu.ure deverognint poi"nii"i. nealry wtrai ,,eive-aone :sopened up the realm of possi bi lilies a-nd hfia t c'uld ha$,en, ttreie ire-severardifferent sorurions. This one looped tr,r"r!r, ard forriied ' t}e -.i
i "li.,gright-of-v,ay here but sqre of *,e irei ghbois'Iiin't r€nt thi.s road. oian,t uantto finish out son= of the -pratted to"6" ir,"t ,u"re
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isn ' t qui Ee- rigr,t toi Ltn parties at tlp sanre tirne andthen kE '"Durd not extefo. noresi e"""*'"itnIi. Tte neighborhod did not wantthar ro happen. so thar'|s u,hat red * io-1r,"'rin.r *iiii.rl--itIii"'Lye *.the besr nare for it bur hopefur:.y it-s one'Ir,"t ,i[ ;;i-;;.y;ir] ",rt
::]::-rr".idea really is only tr,i fir-t-pt.Jof tfp pre.,ious.*iiO-l-orsorutrons rhat lie looked at- one in ntrici: lrr. ne.a .; d"r;r.p ;"il-ioa",culrninate 54th Street into a safe cut+e-sac ana then it offers the plattingard the continuation of the street Gt1"rialp". up the rest of tlre r.ard inr',' ' Go'"en and |!r. Reed on out to 1, 41 so it does resolve that deadend issue inthat ir can be cc,rnplered. rt does not use otr,!, .ri"tins iG;t;i:;;. rtdoesn'E have ro arrhouoh q" gity ""rtuiniy-f! the choice of coopreting rheroad systsn that exisri an: eri:ninaiing-t# ;;.r curde-sac. rtris also hasthe por=nrial , and is reqJested by the city ror sarety porpo*" -""-.i-i-na"rirn
soLu:icn ro rhis culde-iac is to'provrJe -ln"ii.n"y
access right rp into thesire irself wirich !,8 can do if it'l ,."iiy-ffiired so arr of 'rhis- is"iearrydesignec as a first step. These tre f"nal*.is -are not develolErs really.They ' re peopl e w.r1o o* ih. rand , have ownJ"ii-ro. a tong tine and are norT!:=."I:1I.i? u gocd position roday t9 really jurp in urr t"ie-on Ji rir.respcnsibilities of deveropenr bur this is a's61uiion tr,it -ti.v-."i iive wi ttrand it -qers thsn inro working with thei r riJ "" a srower pace. !€ think thisworks vely !'Ei.l and wirI. solve alr the prouio," ri trr cricuiation ii. -ti,
=it.itself. It wcrks with the standards or'rc,ooi.- rt herps revive a solution thatshould have been looked at a 10ng time a6-with the left turn r.ane into orioleard i t real Iy srarrs rhe. developient p"ii..n- i-tninrr-",oirif' oo;";.;'"successfully. I{e've r.orked hard. vEive uet ,ith .reryon. and re think re havefl:r: ,"u tonjghr rhe besr. sorution *-.""-piilr"= i# i-*,iix-V";;ii^""",then you see Lhe prcduct, the_site design, tiut it realty is goi.fo-to-'" a ,erygood, developrnenr for you. r'rr turn it-over now to J.D.- to 95
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Councj klan Boyt: How long is your cul{e-sac?
John Llban: ltris gnarl dle, I'11 measure it exactly. A rittle orer 500 feet.
Counci Iman Johnson: AII the Fay.
Councj lman Boyt: Therers a second entrarce tlere Jay on Ehe bottao.
John uban: I'm measurirE frcm thjs to this.
Courci Iman Johnson: A1I the l.lay up. Ihatrs lDur one artd stly entraoce.
Counci lnEn Boyt: t\b. It ccrnes out another tErt of TH Z.
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John Uban: I?pre are diffelent. Eys of looking at it. If you uant to measureit frqn nr 7, obriousry ue have seieral hundri more feet there but there,s aplaEted road thlouoh r.r. tt ii-forni-"-tr."jl'*p6ys j cally ir is not in placebut iE's Platted rigrrt-or_way.-
Councj lman Boyt: Ihat other one is anothe t 6gg or 7gg f€Fj- q) to TH 7? Ihatextension?
Courci lman Johnson: Where orchard intersects...
CounciLman Boyt: I think f've got the idea.
John lrban: If yourre measuring from TH 7, thj.s is over 5gO feet.
Council$an Boyt: Like about l,OO0.
John r.lban: Thatrs hty r"e're providing the option of dojng this. the landownerthen .a', p.:rsue rhe dedication througS .""*!nti "m ;;;";i;i'ri9i,l-or-""yfor the ccmpletion of tlre roadway.
J.D. IacRee 3 tt/ name js J.D. I,€cRae. I,m with Heise, Ryan, lbcRae ardAssociates. t€,re rhe architects on the project. :u go-gr:ickly tf,rougf, tn.site issues first of alt. Again, reorieni"ting, rI{ 7, II{ 4I, full accessonic TH 41 and a right tuln lane only off of ttt 7. !E chose to build up on ,Itl7 tlsc ouirors'Jra: hrould be sord off for..'*"."i"r;;.--ih;; iJiilir. =it"ba:k away from TH 7 feel irg that the highest visibility is rn z.'-irre-uestuseage fcr those 10ts then, for urat iniense t)pe .xie on that outlot would beu_o o:r T:.i 7. lb :hen crientated the. buj 1dirg along the sout-,r profiriy 'iin".
Foi]owin-a r-he. prcperty line. t^Ie orientated-it tfrit r.ay for ti, i.""'o"". oD€,the i ntelsecricn wirh rhe srop 1i9br. E\.rr. visibilitv'oi-ii,. pri:Jil-'tt,.most sight=o for the retailers. SecondJ.y, trying to ieauce tle i.6p_.C of oo,
!ulid]n4 on. .he neighbolhood to the lrest r.rhicfr wis of great conceii. --rhe
rmpacr to the south obviously, re have a rot of buildiig arong arrei" uut aue tothe hei-qhr di fference uetween this. pi ece of property .# th. 6rop.iiv-to ti.south, they're rearry looking- up. tlriough a uerm- and- seeins *;y iilli.-or *,.ouilaip frqn :his height. lc inen haie an accessory uui iaing'wi:icrr-is- on tn"lrest side. Again, trying to minimize the anount of Luilding if.,r"-ri[h .maximi,. amount of square footage that you ."n prt on this "it..--le'ti* i,"u.t-he. parking out i.n fronr wi ttr sotre dri-ve-up p"iking .rone G-Ln;;.."1"parki n9 :neeEs al1 the requirsnents of trre Liiy. the setuacks ao--G-p"rirrg .r.acrualry abour 59 feer r believe re have here rather tlr;-th" id iit?ao""r..Host of rhar is due to the grade di fference frcrn auout thjj point-ii-tii" point.4- 9. needing for the slope_ and the berm up on top to the lardscapirtlr tiltlichwe'l] get to in a momenr. ltell, re can get io it rigtri;;.--G;;"':landscape plan here trtrich has been anerd&, is not. anended on here, continuinglandscapins up ro rH ? as Barb had discussed. !€ fve rii ii*"-]ir-Ii.rry .r.I'erimerer of rhe prolErry intermixing other t],[Es ot vegetaiion-u"i-diigrng inScotch Pine. Then dow,1 beloh, it re tnre suoai-.
Craig Johnson: l€ have deciduous shrubs.
:l:D: t'racRag: Arong this portion of the berm. t€ then have deciduous trees ourrn front thar are tlrin, tight-rlees so again ure visiiiliiy il;;;"'Lthrough. r€ have an arcade of trees on each side of ti. "iti"rr." i"iiri
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::mewh:t of a parkway entrance off of Ttt 7.. Then 1andscapiitg out jn }pre.I:l_:E: l3lfscaeinsr rhis atl meers doh,n here. G-i#"..;p;r,e ;ior,e th.lErlmerer, r,e've arso incorporated bermj ng arong the top ot tiri.s-niii"io. i,"r.to help screen rhe residentiar.- !{e have iighr iection i, e, C'iJ-o-iirr.i, "..reflected.here showing a tlpicar tvro story frouse and it,i piop.i
"r.uution "nathe relarionship of distance ard height t6 0ur project. Ti,;;G Iil"-"..""rorybuilding v,re wour.d actually-berm up oito tne baci -oi. ti," uriiai.l #-ca.ry tneber:n up s;newhat higher ard then ieotcl pine--i.n tf," deciduou5 trees. The ..sight ljne acrually from eye revel on tt,E s"coJ-r.rer -*i.i"nt".iI], l"- ,
beljeve ke see abour " I:oi.of.rhe accessorv urirJing. l;-;A;;;'ir,e *"rrside of the retail center itself, ugain-r,ei3 *tt: n9.ir,rJt9:i,i-r.u"L*"tout tr,"sa,,'* anount of bui lding- No! taking into consider"lion ttit'r* ;;;- -
landscaping. on top of lhat tfrat is. [frere-p.r--r.r:. Cr the back side, SectionC and D, r€'re just showirg there is ouvi6usiy-rn develognent do;-li;;"..These are the existing cDnEours coning r:p the hirr ".e "iuin "no"-ino"6"minim3r. anounr of the buirdir' witi t6e L--ii".ir-".t il; #-i"fti"pi"g,pon top of the benn. The biggest clncern re have wi trr tle Gnninq-ilI-io nia.the. cars a:rd hide the parkin! Lot so hre,re not footing aa ;-pJ;i,E-i";.Iooking at a min'mal amoyr-r!. of building. r'king t'e ir.rre"t *,.rit-"i i$pacr.c€tting to the actual buirding itself,-arong tG front siae, tte-strJi siae,we have windows, full heighr frorn the sioewitr g feet high.' rc-rrr.-J-.unopythat callies acrcss the face of the bui tdi.ng that sticks over the sidewark soyou can ",alk urrlerneath the canopy. rtren G anchor at each .J .t-tt.'buiJ.cing, this is sort of a shorien etevation, thjs is the
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toyi<1-anse of how ,ong it really is. i.te have'archored each siae oi-tfrebui lCinq "ri th an architectural ila.ent that sticks up abo\re tfr. top J. tf.,.builcing anc using brick and rock face ;;;r;l; block, re tlied. to make a rear.pretty elevation here ard here.
. Again, with ihe glass ard "o*r"t.,'"oi*n=going acrcss here, Lhe signage wili re'incorpoiat5d into tt.-.""opv. --le tn..wrap arorno rhe ccrner here. carryi ng the briak back to about a t"ilii,iras porntard then it's a rock faced btock naix that sticks 2rg" here arrr tr,"n'*i"p=arourd rhe back side of. the buirding. !{e've crad th" .;i-oi-th. '."""ii'Irr:
the roof of these th,o elarents in a red standing seam roofing. tri.s br.ack massyou see back behird is anor.her metal roofing tnit is being uiJ i= i ""i."ningelsnent. for the roofrop units. rt runs trre-continuous -i.ierh
"i.th! iii raing.Again, it has the two-thirds point back, wrappirg arourd this concrete ,,Ess ardthen coming around the back oi tlre bui.liing i'short distance "rt i"*initing.t'te chose to do that for tvD reasons. one, tbe intersectiontoi rn-i-iJ'rn aris stiehrlv hisher than the floor.heishi il;-fi;-;;;;il&'"ittir,e intheir car reuld have the opportunity [o toox up onto the roof ard see not theroof but r.our.d see tlre rooitop unit!. vE thini tnat,s veiy-di.ti".ii'g'"rd *tgood looking. 1\ro, as re drive alorlg this siae on II{ 41, TII 41 is as 6;gn
"=fl1,*llui": is and you acrualty rrav6 ttre oFportunity io'f-r-Jor", ,*."'rr,"eiur.olng. Agarn, tryi rlg to lessen the impact of tbe rooftop unit. i,U lou.you with, and re have a rendering to give ),ou sort of - i"t;d iJea ot-r*,atkird of a center rrre're talking a6oot.' a v6ry trigtr guari ty, ii"" ,"t.ii"r".oTll, .n sjsn band ,rp jl rj," ganopy. n"-;;py,ioing L;[.--u".v-f,ipr.HalkirE alorg the sidenalk. crLy trc cars, I aoir; t -fnow t-, tf,*-git-tLr".S:. our- rarr element r4) iEre. igain, trre' tat i-decidious tr."= -iui - in -ir,"
parki rB lot for minimun impact.
fft.l*:1..:?: .-yp*I from the neighborhood tike ro rEke cqll'Enrs? . rf ],ou,dr'rre Eo, noh' ,s your'chance.. preferabry if there is sonebody representirry- theuhole group I'd appreciate hearing frcnioen ritrr"t .t,.n ...i, irei;iili.
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i- C€ne.Conner: fl1 tne next door neighbor to Bob vJagner on Orchard tane. Bobi p".K.d me_ard sajd okay, jtrs your turn. I feel liie l,ve kird of beenl surrected over the years to the chi nese L.ter torture with thi.s project. Inust a&nist thar. I. do have to congratulate the devel.pers ror tiiariy co*ing upwith somethi ng that at least seemi rike a reasonably intelligent approach tothe projecr. r_realry can't say that for preuious-lppi;;;ki.' r sti[ havereservations. rt's been said over and ovei and over- -again that that area isnot suitable for residential. r really don't bel ieve it. since that's beensaid so many times it'!s almost uecome a thing with ne. i ari". arounr andr look at resjdentjal develolrnent areas that are crose to trignrays much busier,much bigger than tha! one and see rearry nice pracei-uerng- fil-it crose tointersections. Ih?! property arso has erpugh contour in it so that residencescould have been built in off 64th street wifh, f OinX.ti,e-frigtroy" r&uld nothave bothered thsn at ar.r. r buirt faci ng Tfi ? "rg : aon;t tive a prob).anrwith T'r 7 and r think there is sqne p.opeity in trpre, mosi or tr,. property inthere could have been utiLized wittr mori scieening toward tlre highrray ir,ir'rhad' alt tbe Counci I in al.] their wisdcrn has aeciaea that that's not going tobe residentiar. I stirl think itrs suitabre for the or that i.i's pres6ntrydesiqnated. r guess lrn not sold on a cormercial tlpe develognent- in tlrere yetaltnougn this is far better than hrhat te,ve had rn iL p"st. 'i do hur" t*areas of concern with t},is hor+ever ard that is the t'o pieces of undevei oDedprop:rty jn frciit of it. I mean as sure as God made rritre green "ppr.i,-ii"nex: aPprcach js going to be for a ful1 blolrn cormercial on iho.e lots becausethey're facjng right out on-the. highh,ay. rt'is creepirB cormerciar, i. sn. I just
, kncw in.:ny o!.n hear. tha t jf this goes- in, that is ioing to go-fu]l blor,ni ccnrnerclal out lhere. l'laybe not wjth this council. Itis eaiy for this Councj L! to say jt won,t happen but down the road you people hron,t alwiys be here.- -\gajn, ::1y ccif,ratur3ijons ho',ever to the Eevelopers, a very tine presentatj.on.
Ben @ren: I'm the adj acent property to the south of Raeds. trnder the iates:propcsal of the culie-sac, I see where lrm not involve<! one iota now or j.n thefuture. If I've got that wrong, please correct rne. Another thjng, it wasmentj oned by Barb.earlier that during the planning rneeting it tas stated by herthar Reed's plortirg was a part of the dj.scussionl r donit ihinr th.t ,"" "fact in the planning meetina. otherwise, Ir:n for the ccnmreciar clrner. Ithink there,s only one way to do jt ard that,s conmercial.
Bob wagner, 25rl orchard tane: of c.ourse r_cou1dn,t pass r4r the oEportuniEy to6crre up here ard talk to you guys again. Ird. like. to take you back to ]rourAugust 3rd conmj.ssion meetjng jn rtrich you tnet. without the iuiury of us, thehcmeowners, ard l'byor Hamilton talked to-councilman .Jotrnson-aJ't= said if thej ngress and egress on tlat protrErty could be resolved io cor*]rr*n Johnson,ssatisfaction, rrould he be in favor of c.cfinercial ani tre said yei. I thinkthat's stiLl a rnaj or issue frqn wtraE Irve heard tonight. I'rn'not sure Irveheard Ebe protrEr sorutjon. r{erve tarked about t,o oitiorrs, irc'ot 'lich u,erediscussed at the Plannj.ng cormi ssion nreeti ng- n o oi *ri.i ilie oiscusseo rorthe first tinre tonight, at reast anongst us hcmeolrners ir,"l .a"'t"r". one ofthose I have reard
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is very disturbing to rr€ artt tlrat I s ,rt,a;a; tark about anemergency route, if.you wi).l, back lp into the shoppirE ceoier -wtrich to mei f::. re're. distroying the privacy, re,re tearing ao'n-Uerminq, tE,re mti ry:!.c:ing the- resjdentjar any ronger. of cpurse I understa#'wnere thrt,s:- comrng from, vre have L,ggi |@t or Longer culde-sac crtrj ch is against the coder believe. rrm more opposed to the enirance uacr into ire "LBi.g center thanan)rthj n9 and I thjnk that deserves a lot of discr:ssion. i ihffi it destrot/s
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the ccnce-Dt that ',le were tlying to sell in the beginning which is keep itseparate. councirman Boyt made a statement on August 3id, he said to vote onthat. l€'ve got ro be abre ro slrow that rhere,s . signi iicini-poilion-oi tt.neighbolhood tbat supports it. I've heard Ben get up ard say- he =rppoit" it.
I_h.': f:,:",.f:.r..::p"dy etse.in the neishborhood iet,p "ia say ii.y =rpportrr. r dcn't know vrhat you consider significant but i donl t consiaer oi. o, t,uoneighbors significant. I think I've hiard a rot rnore neigtrrcors oppo"J urtfor. Councilman Gevirs sajd scr-n9thir,g a litrte uit U.tt"i Giiiil-Uiing th"tback. or sonetlrj ng that cruld serr tire'q,ai iiv-.r,gr.. I(eeping it separate fromthe hqneowners. Iow density. BIi.s ui u.cx- scn6trring .}ut,5 good-a;]iitv, ro,density, good separati on frqn existing hones. r thin[ u" on"'poini-ii tr,"tthat should be discussed is Jntensity. I thi.nk if you rooi at tf,- tecoias artif you look at previors proposars, ti:i.s may be res3 iniot"e-uv -i, o;;-Ar.r.feet but you'ire not consideii ng. the other irop.rty up front yet to be deveropedand r woul.d charrenge that to tire guestion- of intinsity. u"fr, n o'iiton ,*0. uco'a.nt in that meeting.about, I'Ii quote, I can.t for the life of ,r= iigr..out how they can conrptain. about rrcisd, taixing about the neigrruors,"or *hateverit was they were conplaini'g about that far aiay fron tne roia.--i'ttrinxtheyrre,complaining about sonething tiat i.sn't i probram anr r think I'm beingrealistic ard theyrre not. r thinl i.f that,s true r.t!. !,rayor, then reiioentialriDuld fit Lhere, If noise isn't an jssue. coing back to the planninoco.nnission meering, the last meeting re attendedi it ,as-staii-uy"a"iu o".ythat as to ahis application,-r^rtra. r€'re saying is they can't "i"ii uriiainghere-unti] the city has resolution on the -"tr&t .onn."tion issue. Frqn thestaff s:ancpoint, tlat,s the rnajor issue and that is to get the irrtii"'connection back to TIJ 4I.. Thatrs on page I51 about the lf,ird p".rg."ph.r still think Lhat's the issue tonighl.- r hear a sense in cnange in iirection.I guess I'm just concerne<! that jt,s adeguately dj scussed. teie is i--Presentation on thjs board that shows tr"p builaings. qre js the Zi,OOA suarefoct building but there,s another building placed off to the side in thepresentation that is not part of wlEt they'ie planning on developi.nj. -'Ihat
particular building sits right behind ziegler'i hane iro tr,at t.Duld-in f"ctcreate a privacy issue !.ri th thsn in that it rDuld protect thenr frcrn the-
:P!pin? cenrer. I jusr lrant ro poinr out to you -that,s real1y noi in-ttistrhase of develolxnent unress they could find a Luilder but I think tlre ray!FI'r" presenring ir, itts not in there although it's in tf= pi.to...--- nr.statement r€s rade about the berm and the stataieot ras made that it's sonehhat
Ii:I"-._ l!r" rhe. parking }or. Having tived rhrough ttris in front of my Luse
',En h'hat was tic Baltic property, sqne$hat highr"er is a very disturbing termto me. I'm stilI rooking for the rarriscaping ira tr= ",r.rgtien tr*" ti"t ,r""Eeserved with a retter of credit at that tinE. Itrs stirl rDt tlrere today.rhatrs back in 1979 so I think. so'Errhat higher is a rather elusive teEn ani rthink you need to do a better job of finalizing what that is. rt tarked aboutthe view frqn TH 4r as r€ lis6ned to this ani tlre fact that scmeboay'-courd sitin thei r car and mssj.bly rook dorn, at reast srightry on tlre units ln-ur. topof_-thjs.buildi,rgr r'g riie to poi;i'o;a to tL-6ourci1 rhat r rive cr the hilrnrgrEr than $r 4l ard rim going to heve tle otrportunity to 100k doi,n across ttre
** ::.t-,_l!! Just part of ia. r think ttrai''s an is-srre. e "on"rniE-i"",-.-yDe yely much a personaL o(E but wi th good reason. rrve been here Efore andI- r.rould like to see somethiDg directed ii that area. IE talked about thepleasing look. I calr it the canterburv "t ui"" l@k with the t,D -r=" * topof the roof . r wourd ask ryu .tg verify- that that.s rrithin tt= t.i9r,t--iirit orthe Building code for BN. I rhink it ii jiii -t" orr of rJEt "r"" dti"-.Iproved. I think that's the rnajor issu6s.
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Gary Reed: lry brothsr ard-I own the ploperty that's adjacent to the shogpingcenter on the south. ,As far-as_the shoppj ry ""nte. going in, it lust'deperdson wlE t )'lr. Zahn is goinE to do for us. 'ir fo u"cate- the street, * r.,"i!-'"-ap-oroximatery five sewer ard water systsn lhat lre're not *ra.ntiy pay; ng ro.along the street so tiat is the reasin for the extensi.on of the cur-de-sac intothe property. !E felt that that rould be a god cfirprcmi* to "i.it.-*"street. lbat r€ r.rould then be able to devel;p arourd tlre culie-sac area hhichvrould give us a littl.e more deptJl into the prop.rty. Ihen the drainagesituation that is currently thire, wtrere lt'cr:is ti:rough tfre property, -,rcufa
have to be dear.t with if this concept were to be accepied. re rure a'rot otdrainage that ccrnes off of the lEst Jr. High or wlrateier it is rnw, the r{iddreschool, thar canes off of their parkirg rol ard cuts through our piofiity
"rair can be a torrent ar rimes so i tnin[ r.e,re rooking f;r-ih.-;;;i;[i to rooxat that situation too because it rcu1d certainly be i part of his drainaqeproblern and !,e all met at one spot there. vE rcurd hope to ur"o *-"ppriingfo! a -BN t)?. zonir'lg on probably the front 3 r/2 acres ard residentiai' cnenarcurd the culie-sac area. we feel that being back r:p to the shopping center,Ben cowen has corditional use running on the oaher sidl of us anl i'hen'to tnesouth is Lhe park and school and so on, that r€ rculd also apply in tire futurefcr a Br'* for the f rontage alorE the highway. l€ asked noger'ior u p.orn.n.easaren: into his parking 10t so tiat r€ l&uld then have iwo exits.' 0.,. on iir4r and then into his garki.ng lot for that frontage. Then devetop the back lotsas residenrial at scme future plat tlrat you rculd have tlat comei before you.These are just scrne of my thoughts on it. we uoul.d be in favor of the cu]-<ie-sac j.lea Ehat's bejng proposed as re could r.ror k it out witn Roger.
Counci l:ian Gevin_c: Are you in favor then of that secord access into t::=shcp?ing cenEer fron ycu! property to the north? you,r3 the one that.,.DrKedout afti negotjeted ,"rith the develolEr?
Gary Reed: In the front part of his parki.ng lot r"E tDuld ask for an easementover his parking lot so that if !'e did devetop it, ere couli tilen be part of hisentrance anc exit. [^Ie could exit out ours anc then ',8 rucu]d have no iarpact onthe neiqhborhood as far as traffic flow is concerned. \ow if you're tiiiingabout the emergency access to the back.
Counci Iman Ge'ring: That,s rrhat I,m reatly talk!.ng about.
Gary Reed: r think if that'!s hardled properly, there shourdn,t be any trafficback through. rry wife ard r r€re cancerned about the people that wal.f r:p tothe school , irre $ggested to Roger and he agreed that F)tting a bike path upthrough ard alorg the shoppirB center ard then that rould d6uble "" it=emergency entrance into the anl{e-sac area if an emergency vehi.cle rEeded to9o.jn there.- -possjbly leave a notch in the bermi.ng. At that poi.nt, t don,tEnrnK ,r riourd bottEr anybody. r guess r hoped a littre bit about protectingthe rooftop units on the front of the bui tding but r rDuld certainli rii. tosee thqr protected on the back side too. r rdouldnr t like to Loor at t}rsn.
Counci lman @ving: So )rou're in favor of the project as iErs being proposedtonighE?
Gary Reed : ldell , as the anerEnents go ql, as lorg as rE rDrk things out .
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Larry Brovm: point of clarification. r think Barb had put up on the overheadthere, anl correct me if -I'rn wrong r,rr. nJ-iut' r believe that was the entrancethat you uere in favor of. ftre one =f,oring oi
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Gary Reed: rhat $,as the easeflEnt r had discussed w-ltll Roger and this c.ncept,this isn't exactr'y laid out the ray it rcu:.JE probabry. the co'cept is thesa.re but I r.,ould prefer ir belng firr.ard he;e-;; tnis iin,i--ieaiiyE "or". rIuve 155 feer in here. !V.l9u1e ".n .y-"oni-tfrrse rouLd be built on that arro;5:.:.*r,u tike another 100 feer o.iss-Iliin the lors rere ano anotrrer tso
Counci Lnan Boyt: fbr., nany acres do lou have?
Gary Reed: There's amroximately from, frm severing this off so the rest rDuldbe probabty 7-j l/2 ""i"= o, =o.
Counci)-ran Boyt: So you,re lookirg at about half of that Bf{?
Gary-R._-d3. yes, just enough to ! t one business on the property. tG,ve hadthe drive-in up there for years you knon and r,ve uee' Grrcifi -t" #'Lpr"that h'ould reconstruct tlai idea'ana ,rr[.-"-r!"i"oru't. Flt an extension onthe Reed's Drive-in rhsne. @rated ror yeais- ira it was an asset to theccnmunity.
Paul Kerner, 535r Minnewashta ltods Drive: r'm just here on behalf, r€ r.,ant tosee sone corm:erci al dever.ognent at that rocation] t just wantJ io'"no, ,r,vsurDport .
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l':ayor Hanilton: r're should take tlrern one at a tirne and look at the rezoningfrom oI tc BN f irst of aI1. After that *;f i i*X at the prel jfiinary plat andsee jf r.p can'r hanmer cut sanething ti,"t;=-Liiuul;-rhJ.:'=ji;,'ftryl *,.,.to start? Do you have any cqtments on the rezonrDg rssue?
counci'Lnan Johnson: since this is the first reading of rezoning ard the changeto our ordi nance on the cause for -rezoning,
-.ru'r.re're putting coniitions in the!1:l:ld site ptan review and stuff, rre t;;r;;; a second reading untit r€,vesatj.sfied the other corditions, f aon.t iri".-" -lot of probl<n iigni-norr'withthe rezoninq because it's nor." ta;i;";;;.; "t tti" ti,r.. r believe thar BNis better rnan oI for the neighbors in th;I-'$e'oI is three srory buirdiDgsmaximr^zn ar this time and. possluty in ti= rrt*I wilr e,en ue taii"i u,riiaingsin the future so theoretiiarry iiur-year" -i"ii- tt= road, sE courd see a sixstory office buildino in this area ii ;e ;i .G
premise trr.i-*-t""",-o"three story .."tri.tion on is because, ".=-or ti. reasons is because the firetrucks can'r fight a fire at trris iirni. ---rte ri pratforn truck *Ei[ have ac.ouple years frcrn now, '* o..y-be charging ttraf -ordinarce. It;; g;iG i""iuf"that or in rli s area, rrE coria uve-r'i.irii.rln"ive, several fiJij- =eu.r.foot of f i ce bui rdi nc oI aced in this area lrrit --ura
cause even rcrse problernstlran the BN, rven 6uirentty pu -rfJ-p.r;G; stories Erth of offic€bui ldings i.n here b'hich could- be u -n"iJ"t"ii.-.-unt of square footage ofarea. A lot of gnotovees.. A lot of tratfic.--a lot of potentiif piOi_,..l]F :i*,. u.!!I* story building i" " r,*i-ir I tot r,.rao to berm ar-y th€n aone storv buirdins. Given this is the first *i;; ;-i,;-,fr iiiI'_tir
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:?:_:i?t !3adjng, ,.E,re not acruatly rezoning jr tonj.ght, unrjl we get rhesrngle rssue here is access ard I'm goirE to t;lk *ore ibout """"=" .# I thinkgveryi:ody else is going to talk more aboit "c."=s on tl.,e next phases oi thisbur- to ne, this secrion should either be residentiar oi ur=in.'""-n.igiuornooa.Right now !,e don ' t have anything Ufore us
-saying go residential . Bs j nessneighborhocd to me t"Durd be bet[er than or ioi tr= residents in theneighborhood.
c'ounci Lran Horn: I'1r just repeat Ebat Jay said. I think the BN makes sense.I thjnk the BN rtEkes a good transition for'this area.
Counci lnan Geving: Bill , do you have any cqfiEnts on just the first issueplease. . The rezonirg issue. Just limit it to that "t'ti,i" ii...--- --
councilman Boyt: I have a hard time separate this out into four issues. rrrlmake an atternpt. r think that the stror€est toot that we have here ii tnelequest for rezoning and Errat tilkes a four-fifths vote. t was happy io bersninied of !dn3t r had said earlier by Mr. r€gner. Itrs atways nici to uet:t!=A by one's quotes f,tr. Wagner. i rculd-suggest that itis scrnerhatdifficult fcr :ne ro know, r know this issue is pioualry beaten dobn " iot ortne neig:.ors and it :nust be hard to get up and ralry it. troopi one-nore ti^e.r ha,e heard thaE there is sorne sense that this i.s 6tter. wrrether it;s goooencuqh or not I thi nk is something ure have to hamer out betr.reen now and r.heni'- ' s f i nal L:r i.nproved. r.ry guess rtourd be that this developer is Jeterminea tomeet al1 reasoaabLe interests of the neighborhood and r ,routa anticipatee'''er:ual applcvsnenE. you- show rne that i significant part of tne neightornoodis i:r f:ct oppcse.l a:rd I'11 vote against it.- t signi?icant f *"r"-V6r'show me::)=: . f o! :r'ry 'jore, thai scmewhere in tfre nej ghb;rhood of 608 to 7OS 6f then:i.3ibor:rcod is olpcsed to thi.s kird of deveiognent. I'd vote against it. Ithjn<. )r's i ncu,lllcent upon the developer to meei the concerns of fhe:r= i ;hcor:rcoci . I Lhink the ne.ighborhiroa f,"s said that )es, the developer ismo'.'ing rn rhar direction. l€ have this zoned, it;s Xiil-ot-"; ;;i;;il;..zcnin;. i triiti( Jay has nentioned one reErson it,s unfortun"a;. -;-ili;k
another one is, it's takirE a valuabre piece of property out of circuration inthe colTrnuniry. r think the thing tlEr.;iu x"ep ti,i s-!ie""1i-pr"p"iiy'rr*devei.oping resi.dentiar i.s it.'s c6nmerciar varue'. -Eventualry someone, theycan't afford ro put a house riere because tlre rard r" potentr iiiy-,-iti' tt utTyg!. I think you've seen thar ove! tbe years. you.v; seeD it iitrr-iou.lifferent attempEs to develop it. curmerc ii t ly. As-far as the preliminaryreading, I think that itts very inq:ortant toi ttre deveroper to'it*'."--sign.i f icant support or the neighroitrood. r don't see a iigni.ficant part ot treneighborhood sayjng that ttey oppose it so I trrinx ii'J i;;;il',;pfi';h"neighborhood to do thar. rtis il pouring gasoriDe on the fire uut i Lper, rcagree with you that since a corditional use for a BN is ".*".ii.*'![o."yith gas 5lt.trnps or an automoti ve siervice station, I $outd be inclinJ to-tf,i.nt
:l?!,_"!:f_*'r-..reatty looking ar here is a very gooa screenit!-;;"t-,. rEnrnk.)t's a-fairly good screening from u',t tut r would anticipaie that theuse right off of rr 7 rcurd be moie inteose rhan the sh"pi;-;ili.]-it," .uprojecrions so how do r know? tut simpry, r like what r'le"l -i- irrinr in"tthere has been a good bit of adjustmenl [o the c!rcerns of tte neigh;;rhood. rdon't see a significanr porri on of tlre reighborhooa sgearing ag.irri't-ii'
"r,a v.tI want you Eo know ttEt I r{ill stard by q7-earlier guote.
courci lman Geving: r think that re have cqae a 10ng way in tiis develotrment
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fronfl whele it uas just several years ago. I think that tt= deverolErs havegone back to the hcmeowners and made a rearly significant attelnpt io work with' the homeor,.'ners. I got thi.s impression and tirat was the nrarching order that regave to the developers. To meet with tlre homeovrners. rsork out the problenns.I:y-to_keep the separation as lias mentioned earlier from tlre horneow:ers arddon't im.oact thsn in terms of assesnents. Ttris is yo* proi..t iu it;= ,"ryir,portant that it ranain your project. If there ari irnpiou&nents to be made in)rcur area, they should not iJnpact upon the hcrneowners in terms of assesgaentsfor roads and whatever is going to be constructed here. r think r€rve cqne along uays in terms of trying to look at that corner. Now tte years ago, r€qq? an arrsnpr ro rook ar utis as an office institutional arel. vE [houghtoffices. might be the way tg-go: -lt just didn't happen ard f guess tne marXetresearch and the studies wilr indi.cale tlrat there iust i.sn't i a*,."a, a greatdgrard for office at this time. certainly not at that l0cation. r think it,s
:*: !: develop this property. I tiink ii's time to develop that clrner. InErrle rr vDII get developed. Whether it,s nor., or at sctrE futule tjme. fhecorcern that I have is that rre continue to 100k at the separation of lhedeveroFent frmr the homeowners both on the west ard to tire south ard rrm verymuch concerned about the drainage issue. rhere's going to be a 10t of-rotaaconi ng south and to the south',vest. rt'|s happening-now in fact ard r,ua're goingto intensify that with any kind of construction. the big concern of cpurse isthe highuay issue. I know vre'le on the rezonirg issue urlt it att r,is-to aowith rezcntng. r'm for rezoning personarry beciuse I think untir ,"E resorvethat He can't go onto the clher issues on lhe preriminary prat ..g iooi-atutere r+e're going. For the record, I'll be foi rezoning- tiris fronr oI to BN.
lraycr HaBilton: It'!s certainly been a difficult piece of lard to work withover the years ani I like the plan I see. I know that office industrial paceon the strjp for jnstance, has between l7B and 25? vacancy rates. Itrsurderstandable that some5ody wouldn't want to ccrne i.n her3 and pr:t in anyoffice,/j ndustr j a I . It,s just not in dernard for it right n*, so'f ;m veiy mucfrin favcr_ of. rezoni.ng this-to BN. I trrink it's a good use for the "ornei. raLso feel that to reply to Mr. connor's c-,ment, i ttrinx if there had beenscrneilody who wanted to do, felt it was a good residentiar corner, it's beenavailable for so long that sqneone rcu1d iave been here requesti;g to do that.It aptrEars that this is the use that the peopJ,e wi th the mo-ney w6 mnt toinvesr' it to do scrnething, this is tlre use tiey u.nt to use it for and I thinkit's a good use for thaE corner.
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!,ta]@r tlami l ton moved, Counci Iman Gevingkguest *85-2 to rezone 7.G3 acres frcnr&rsiness lieighborhood, First Reading asapplication. All vot€d in favor exieptcarried.
secorded to a[prove the RezoningOI, Office Insti tutj onal to BN,legal}y described in the proposed plat
Counci lman Boyt erho opposed ard motion
PRELIMINARY PIAT REQUEST 10 CREA?E THREE CIII,{ERCIAL T'TS.
!'tayor Ha!0ilton: i'ts have oLltlot A and B wtrich wirl be developed at a futuretfune and ure tot c rdtlich has the retair strip center on it wirictr re have beforeus.t
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Counci L'r:an Johnscn: lty main crc[ment on this one is rewordi.ng of condition Iwhicn currently reads, approval of the preljrninary plat ard aite plan shall beconiincert upon the vacation of 54th Stieet right-oi-way, approval of finalpl3t of tie Re€d property. I think vre've got a real problem wj.th Options 3and/ot 4 because I see this as an extreme, extreme might too far, I see this asa public safety issue an a public conveni ence issue. When l"e cul-de-sac that
Property, that forces these horneowners living on Orio1e and t}!at area, they
have to exit onto IH 7. I hate exiting onto TH 7 up there. I drive rp thEreevery once in a wLri le and I purposely go dov,n oriole and around on 64th streetso I 3an get onto TH 4r where it's much safer to drive. sqlebody in a Trans Ammight have a better chance tiran me in my Horizon. I apprecj ate the developers
Pointing out to lhDot that. you can make that left turn lane in there ardhopefulJ.y that will Lrork. Ihat.rs one place ntere I saw death ctrning in ny rearview mirror one day. Hhat I.d like to do is redo this nLrnber I to rnake it alittLe mcre restrictjve. Say, approval of the secord reading of the zoningoriinan:e change, prelimj nary pl.at ard site plan should be contirgent...
i|ay3! i.lalii i tcn : vlha t page are you on?
Hayor Ha.ri lton: tgerre stj.ll on (b).
Counci Ltan JohDson: That js (b).
Itlayor Hamilton: you,re talki.ng about (d) now. you're on 64th Stleet.
courci L:ran Jchrson; page 11. tnder ci.ty council recomendation. First itenn.
Say apprc'.'al of the secord readirg of the zonirB ordj.nance charge, preliminaryplat and srre DLan sha]r be conti ngent upon the vacation of 64th street right-of-'"Ey, apprcr.al of a final plat for the Reed progerty wjth no conmercial, i.e.ret:il, business neighborhood, etc., access to the relocated 64th Street. ltrencont:nue on rhe qEy it is. In other t,ords, the Frrpose for moving 64th Streetin rie first place is to prevent cormercial trafiic from being on 64th street.Th3:'s one of the things the neighborhoods have complai ned about over the yearsrs tiat Eaffic. Thar-',,,as the nei ghborhood cDncern tlat r'!m addressing here.
The nc'.'=ie:tr of 6.1rn StreeE. to the south siCe of the Re€d property ard thenrezcnin; a':e Rei:C property BN and allowing an access from this Bll onto thecorn:rcj aL property has done absolutely nothing. All Lre did was selErate. Ifthe Reed prcperty can be serviced from the existing entrance on the proposed
shop_3irg are3 without havir€ to have their ornn access to TH 41, wnich frpotwon't arlow thern tc have anl .ray, without having access to 64th street, then i.tcould wcrk. But at no t ime will r vote for any plan that closes 64th street's
accESS tc the TH 41 for any sjgnificar:t period of time. It can be closedduring construction.
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counci lrnan Johnson: Thatrs right. cordition r tatks about 64th street. If r,pdonrt aH)rove thjs then (d) is just out the window anyrrray. ,Ihat's the leng thof my real cofiment on this. I do want to c$pljment the developers herebecause they have gona a quant'n leap I think from the last devlrogment r saw
when I was here as a citizen, the citj.zens frcrn thj.s area were also hereprotesting copperwood DeveloFnents or r*Etever it t€s back then and wer have
made sqne irnprovernents here. I think therers roqn to work ard r^re mightactually get this accompl i shed .
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Councj lman Geving:
stormwater to assurestaff update is corrirdication was that
I just_u,ant to 90 back to the t€tershed retentj on of theoursel.ves that. that's going to be retained on_ii te arrl tbeect as far as the record is concerned there in tfrat ttrejtrs going to be retaj ned in tr,o places. --i"-lfrJt
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Iarry Brot,,n: That|s correct. orr the southeast and northeast clrner.
Councilman ceving: you've calculated this out arrl this will nork?
HH: tro*,, I have checked the applicant,s calculations ard t,,ey are true to
counci lman Geving: I sti.rl bel ieve that re've got to get 54ti street out tolTI 41' I just feel that sqnehow or .nottrei ihat's got to happen. r wirlcontinue to lvork in that regard. r ru"e no Jile. cqrments arout t'e platting.r think we're in good shape he.. urr: r iir' io-Jorry
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Council,nan Horn: My biggest clncerns are tl,. transpcrtation. At one point t€thought we fou:ro a r"a" io eliminate tf,"-i.ii-tr.n on T, 7 which sesned to melike a gcod n=y to go'. The problen r,. i"uirv-n uing with this r*role tlring isL'hen I put tcgether a whore irun"po.t"tio;-6i,u in a va.c'n i t tr.kes a rot ofsense to go oEre r.ray but e,ilen I heir wtrat all tne neighborhood -.*..il"-.r.
u,,othe developer concerns :f !i" p"opf. "i,o-t.uJ p.op.rty ard they want tod:v:]op in that area, thj s_scenario isn't E)ite simple. I guess ner have anultimate access to Herr:ran. Field now but "lr'iii"t irnpression on this is that Ih'ould somehow develop another access to Hi"r"n-u.ri -a i u-g.i '"i uia".*."out to TI'r 4r and I'd rake as many accesses off of T, u." r .6uial - iii'urdersEanding Ere realities ot wirat *;i.-f i"i.S with, I r.rould suppor t the lastrecqmendarion whicn i s to pur a culde_sac in., r trrinr tn_i;=-tE-u.=tcornpromi se with ar.I the bodres ard the alr the people r*ro are concerned aboutthis cecause it is ooing ro impact ti," ""igliUi.i,""O. There,s Do quesrion aboutthat' I rhink ue'v6 ool to be sensitive-t6 miiimize it. Irm arso corcerned:P:: :li: A:rse.ncy iccess frqn tr* p"iri.S"io.. 1,. nor so sure ho.r re,regotng to handle that and I $rant to o,aie "r.. tt.t re don,t misuse that ard bavebicycles ard trair bikes ard "u"rytninj ;i; ;;"g back into the neighborhoodthrough rhar area. r want ro r"i;-;;;; il-L#i. tr,"t. Jusr to sunnarize, rthink h'ha r ''e have here is tr,e uest-coip;;r"i:;' certai nly it ruldn't be $teplan thar I would have come up with ti,.'iii=t-i;n I looked at this withoutIearing all rhe inpur but r ti:inX it,","oi[Jf..
Counci ]Inan Boyt 3 l{o cdflnents.
l'la)'or Hanilton: I have no-probram plaruring ard creatiDg three cqrmercial 10tson this particurar oi ece of- ps6p6gti:-l-h:r;'; ritrle problen irith rhe firsrcondition that says thar atrprov;l o-f u,is is contingent 14 n a54rroval of afinar plat for the Re€d property. rrn not sure 1€ can do tlut, nuaber ore.f: H could jusr, if -rr" i.ntLi to,"Orig ii"-f*t and c*range his nind ant doever6hirs he can think ror tre-nsti'zs-i!"r;-"i ,-,r;; ;d-;-JeH*t ,oI'd like to ask pat, that doesn't il-6 ,*-t" L a reasonaure tlring to Errt ina cordi tion.
Pat Farrell: AbouE half an hour ago I starrd t}tat particular point with aquestion mark. Irm not so sure that that is an apropriate cordition. AsI urderstand it, tlrere is not a prel irninary pt.t-o, any sketcb plan or anlrth j ng
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by Mr. Reed at thjs point. I understand urhere you,re trying to get tc. Ithink itrs appropriate for -the_ council to alply pressure-, ii trrai's the rightchcice of words, upon the deveroper to acquiie- ti:is right-of-hray and rhe r;yourof the Reed property ard that it al1 be considered but that's not trre way to dc
l'layor Ha,Tilton: r t"DuLd prefer to see us put corditi ons in that the deveLopconlinu= to work with the Reeds as far as deveropi ng their property ard getiing
access tc it. we could actually leave G4th street is it is- foi this pariel todevelcp as long as the developers need to erork with the Reeds to continue to
come up with the prolEr layout for thej r property.
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Pat FarreII: One of the things, as I understard this layout, you tnay have to
90 to the Reed property to accompl ish the connection of tle street. One of thethings that you could put in there that in the event that acress is notobtain3d rrough the Reed property ard the City has to cojte in with jt, thedev=loper pay for it. That might be a Little bit tough but it's the only thingthat I can think of at this point. you're going to need that and j.t,s gaing t;cost money unless he plats. If he chooses not to plat, you have a problffi thatrequires : solurjon that requires money.
Barba!3 Dacy: 'I\^rc points of clarification. The groperty couldn't go ahead ardbuild 'rith the fulL access onto 1H 41 and with G4th Street there. t,tnpot hassaid, if tlrey hEnt a f--. access, 54th Street. entr3nce has to go.
l|aycr Hannilton: Th3y said that speci ficall.y?
Barba:3 D6cy: Rjght, In thejr letter t\at,s attached to the report. If Ic3n, rayre i:e -l'ttcrn?y can help ine ouE, if the words in the cordition are notphr3sed the lignE way, maybe Lra ca;l .leork together to rer.rord that so tbat it isappropliare but the point being is that the intenc js that the Cjty Lrants toinsure '!rra t the rea). igned 6.1th Street js connected to Ttl 41 and we- r,ant thatsulety prior to rhsn buiJ.ding on thj.s lot. The intent being is that the only
way r.re lJould get to thjs point erould be to have an assurance that the
develop-nent contracts there which is usualty as a result of a plat aprication.Ho',rever, if you,re saying that a plat is not necessary but scrne othei- type ofassurance, staffrs objective j.n any case was to take sure that 64th Streettlould be reconnected.
l'tayor Fiarilton: r understand that and r think that's a good idea. Hr$ever, totie it to another person's platting of lheir lard is unreasonable I think tothe developer in t}lis case.
Pat Farrell: Illegal too.
!4ayor tlani lton: Okay, illegal. f€trs crnle right out ard say it. As acordi tion of the develognent contract r thi.nk it cpurd ue pui in there that thedeveloper rEeds to continue rcrking wjth tle Reeds. l*rat i was tryirg to sayis that vrerll attsnpt to r.rork with the Reeds ard with the developeis foaccofllplish this so tha! jt's fair with everldrody but al.rortring the devel0pers tocontinue with their project so this thing doesn't sit bere for another ciupteof years.
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C€ry lJarren: I think, and ue're tryinE to stay on each item here but as Iprepared by staff mgno for the vacation issue, it go.= ou.i "J-or.i-n.r. no,can you spec even in a develotrment contract per forriance for Hsz of in item tnatat this point is armost out of his control. That ueing irr- i".a-p.op.ity. r,abe unconfortabte a little bit I guess "r"n trying to $rrite a condition thats.rys you have to provide a connection of tgest- 64th ggleet to ir,.-nJ' p.op..tvor r'prds to rhar "ff""! 11.3',ut it rcurd be pretty difficuii io-..Jiiv"*ror.".Even with a lerrer of credit o! anyrhing rixE trrai. That;a-irht i-aiiioacnea itsaying the call rould have to be nade ii can r"e, with a cul-de-sac and areverse scenar:'.o with a 10t of our subdivisions that r€ "ra ,p a-ir i.g "iti,,!fiere r're try to preserve right-of-way for the'Iuture. tEre 1iu,ve-goi one anayou're bei ng asked to vacate it. rhi q,r""tion-rs citn )bu rive wi tlr a cur-de-sac with full intent rhar rrhen Reed or b;;-;r both ;rne in H.,ai L-,.ourd F,"hthroush ar sqie rime in rhe future. otherwise- it g.*-pi"ilv ,.i"fr"Jr" rr*ny perspective.
r'yor ira:xiltcn 3 Itrs kind of wha tever 16rks. grha tever is going to lerk iswhat ought to be done. .If cul-de-sacing 5ath street anr cl0sing it on TH 4r iswhat has to be done so it can move forr+ird then r think that should be done sothis project can move ahead ard. then yo, ."r, iiirr continue to 10rk rri th theGo''.ns anc 'Jre Reeds to accomprish r",titeuer is going to r,.pp"n tt.."-"i u.,.devei.op=r will. be involved in Ehat.
c€ry l{arr=n: If someone rrrcrdered the assessnents that ale presently againstthe- Reqi pro:Derty are a regi tjrrrate issue tirai neeas to be dealt with here i.f wewouid vacate a port'on of '/Est 54th street because there is acress and thereare asssssnents that need to.be paid and that could be a job of Hsz ii theCouncil would choose to go with ifris cuf +e_sac.
Pat Farrerl: I don't see that that requi ranent is so olfi)erous. r think h,e,reall rraking too much of it. I think th" reguiia,ent that there be a connectlonto the other road is d regi ti,'iate requirem6nt of plat approvar under
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srature and even the cESt of thar roat could ue appropriately charged igarnstthe develo-Der. That's not to say that the Reed,s ought to have a free ride.thele ought to be scrne discussioi back and roitrr or [r,.t uri r-tt,ini-tr.,i=Council could legitimately require that as a conlition of plai ;;;;;i:
Ben gor,re?: I'm just confused here. yourre talkjng about a culde_sacterminating in the middre of the Reed's property irc yet you're taliirg aboutoonnecting to 111 4I. No!, if },ou clnnect to'TH i1, f i Uait in-U.-pi.?r.. u".Vdefinitely. But if you cul-d6-sac in Reed's p.op..ty, r1m out of tire-ficture.In any case, Irm for the develolment.
lGyor Ha.ri lton: vnrat LE're saying i.s that r€ want to connect to TH 4r at scne!."f . $,hen thar happens is noi ciear at thi; ii,ne. staff i s sayi rE r€ $antthat and the courcil is saying we wanr *"i -"*.ti on -to. be *o!-"irJ"v. rfit has to be a tenoorar*,.cut j"-sac -; f"; i-perioa of tirE until the Reed, sdecide how they rant to deverop r,.,ei i-p.op.rtvi-,Et. s a possibirity but rrdon't wanr ro conlirid! er"rFhirrg on itp- nszir a"r"rogn;t uy-wtrai'tf, Reed. sare 9oin9 to do.
Ben Gowen: you better cont.ioue then, Reed has to plot his larrr so that it canbe continued.
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I4ayor Harilton: Thatrs correct. Thatrs vrhat we,re tryj rg to get done.
Ben Coh,en : Itrs not fai r to him.
l,layor Harilton: $e're trying to be fair to ever],body. t{erre trying to rnake
sure that everybodyrs needs are taken care of and lre can move ahead here. I
guess I wish ree had thj.s hDrked out ahead of time lrith the legal c!un;e]. f€
could figure out scne way to hardle thjs itsn.
Councilnan Boyt: Can r,E strike rrapproval of" in hrhat I s in tErenthesis there
ard then accept hhatrs left?
Counc ilman Geving : I th j.nk re should .
Barbara Dacy: I'm sorry, vrhat are you referrirE to in parenthesis?
Counci Inran Boyt: Approval of final plat for the Reed property, just strike
that Phrase.
lGycr tl,a'ni l ton : Good idea.
Councj l$an Horn: I thj.nk tlle Ttl 4I issue js somethj ng vre have to deal wjthlater. I don't think he can tie it to this.
CounciL:nan Geving: hhen !,8 see Reed I s plat.
* .i mo:icn was made at this pojnt witi the following discussion.
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cledit, etc. th3 rest of thatto :H 41.
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City of Chanhassen. I beljeve staff was looking
developing 54th Street to 111 41. A letter ofj.s in reference to th3 realigfinent of 64th StreeE
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tlayor Ha'ni ltcn: I think thatrs exactly hrtEt r,r're saying is goj.ng to have to
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Courcj ltnan Johnson: You cantt execute a develolment conEract until you have
alproval of fi.na1 p1at. I don't what r€ just gained by gettirg rid of that.
!,!ayor tlamilton: Yourre not tying it up r"rith the Reed property. ltre thing can
move ahead.
c,ourcj lman Johnson: !€'re going to have to get a develoFneot contract frfii
scrnebody to develop. As I read this...
!,!ayor Hani lton: te're talking about tlszrs protErty. Not t}le Reed property.
Thjs does not pertai.n to tfie Re€d property.
Courcilman Johnson: It used to be unti] re removed that one.
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the develognent
Ir4aycr Harni lton: !,1o. A1I it said about the Reed property r€s alTrroval of the
final plat for the Reed property. It didn't say $r $rere having a develognent
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contract with the Reed property or anybody else. Au this trErtains to t,.,e HszProperry.
Councilman Johnson: ok:y, th:n. you're going with the rest of thjs. So theyhave to have G4th street corPretay reaiignea to r{ 4r prior to tte approvar ofthe preliminary plat ard sit- plan-:
f{ayor Hamilton: thatrs h,ttat it_says here. As far as rrm c.oncerned, you couldhave a tanrporary cur-de-sac untit iuch tine ai the Reeds *nt to a.i"iop.there's a]l kinds of r,ray you can solve Ulat problen.
'nuncilflan Johnson: rhairs what re have to do he!e. you! motioD didn't tarkabout t}le tffrporary culde-sac.
l,tayor Hamilton: That's why r€ have discussion.
councirman Johnson: rrm against the ternporary cur-de-sac if you,re going todiscuss tsnporary culde-sacs.
counci Lran Boyt: l'ly. problem is that l€'re talki.ng about 64th street. can,t 1€lust vcte on these things one thirg at a tirne aDd take the issue irn ir-r*,u"got an issue with 64th, do it then:
l'layor Ha1lilton: Theyi re intertwined. you,re talking about one issue. I{e'retalking about one irsn on rhe. atrproval process of th6 prel,ni;;rt;i;i. Thisis one of the conditions and in- or,. ot -tne conaitions -it t"ix"-Jo-rt-iiu.,streeE to TH 41. you can'|t eriminate that. rie're goi.ng t" g.t b""i io'it unatalk about it some more in a few minutes.
CounciLnan tso1't: Do r,e h:ve a mouon on the table?
l,tayor tlanilton : yes r€ do have a mot j on on the floor.
CounciLnan Bo!'t: I call a guestion.
!'layor Harilton: rhere is_stir. discussion. Jay was tarking about it. Did youhave additional questions?
courci lman Johnson: As I urderstand your rnotion tJen r€ get exacH,y r*Et rwan! yith the exception of I rDuld like to see sonethj.rE in corti tiio oL trr.trestricts crmnerciar acc€ss to 64th street. cre of the oriqinii 6rai.nts ofthg -geighbors is that it 'murd increase the traff ic rp orioie irt-tiiiouqr, tr,"i,subdivision if cqrmerciar had direct aclcess to G4th s-treet *ricn is r*rai tireprevious plans had.
Courci Iman Horn : fhis doesn i t have tiat.
counci Lnran Johnson: l.ts Re€d had stat€d that tE wants to prt connerc!.al m ttEfront 3 acres of that hhich will tjren trave-access to 54th Street.
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I'laycr ila:ri ltcn movd, courcilman Horn seconded to alr)rove subdivision Request*85-7 subje3t to the plat sta.:nped rrReceived l,tarch 7, l9gg", the grading arddraj.raqe plan starped "Recej ved April 6, I9gg", the utility plan stamp6d
"Rec=i r.'ed epril 6, 1988" ard subject to the followirg corrl-i ti ons:
1. l.p?rc'.'3L of the prel j.mi nary plat ard sjte plan shall be contingent ugonv::::icn of 5ith Street right-of-r"ray, execution of a develolment contractwr::r '-ne City of Ctanhassen, filing of a letter of credit with the City ofC:r3::l3ssen from a recognj zed financjal instjtution authorj zed to dobusr:)ess jn the state of Minnesota and a form subj ect to the City ofchannassen's reasonable approval, ard realigrment of 64th street to rr 41.
2. Ttre a.opl icant shalL enter into a devel.ognent contract with the city andpro.ride the necessary fjnancial suretie! to guarantee the properinstallatjon of the g$lic irlprovsrents.
3. The developar shalr obtain ard co:ipry with arr corditions of the watershedDistrict lEr,nit.
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wood fibei blanket or eguivalent shall be used to stabil.ize all disturbedslopes greater than 3: I.
the appl i cant slnll obtai n and cornpry r.ri th all cordiEions of ttE IErmitsfrcrn the MinnesoEa Departsrent of Transportation.
calculations verifying adeguate pressure corditions for the sprinklersystar of the proposed retail buildirB shourd be suhnitted foi approrar bythe City Erg ineer prior to the issuame of .a b:ildi.ng pernit.
The proposed sanitary selrer ard watermain sysEems internal to the site wirlbe constructed and rEinrained as.private utilitj.es. rtre city of chanhas-n
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Council,'nan Johnson: It could.
I.4aycr Harilton: That,d be a rntole other issue.
councihan Horn: that's the whole point. t'Ie can't put a restriction on whatthe Reed property is in respect to this property. rhat rsill take a whole otherplat when that cdnes in ard then r.e,Il see...
Courrcilman Johnson: We could at least talk that our intent is not to Er)tcormerci a1 traffic on 64th street so that wben the Reeds, a future cruncil canIook at our :ni.nutes and r,ifren the Reeds clrne in here and say okay, tlre r*trole54th street was rea).igned to avoid cocmerciar, ore of the p.rpolo was to avoidcomnerciaL tlaffic on Oriole tane.
tlaycr Hamilton: llell, you said it. !\:ture Counci I is not bound by aolrEhing wedo so it doesn'l really matter if re say jt or not.
Council.nan Johnson: It matters if re say it because it might help sday the
f uture cculrci I one .,Ey or the other as to r.rhat re are thiniing at the i j$e.
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will not be responsi ble for any maintenance of tl.,e utilities (with theexceotion of public storm sewer drainage facilities) internal'io-tr= ";t".9. An acceptable traffic sign ard pavement marking pr.an sharl be suknitted tothe Cj.ty ErE ineer prior to the issuance ot a Uuiiaing permlt.
La. specific plans and specifications r*rich address the specific aligrment,insrarlarion alral erosion -contrgr !9r ue lioposea "to'* *r""o-ryiio, ,u"tbe suhnitted and approved by the City Urgineer prior to the issuance of abui1ding permit.
11- The applicant sharl suhnit a revised erosion c.ontrol plan subject to theapproval' of the city ElQineer prior to the issuance oi a uuir6ing permit.
Al1 voted in favor and motion carried.
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Councilnan Boyt: Ird like. to start by saying to the neighbors lrho are here, I!!1rx yo1 have a good poinr in which io uL i"u.rug" ard that,s jn how thissite is develcped. I think. yourre going to have to show sane inequities in hot,I::-!"y:l".ea ro sway goneb6ay ersE onltne Guncil ir you wanl tJ-t.ilut tnzonrng cnan-:e. 0n how it's devel.oped, the planning Ccrtiri;"i;;-,naJ.-ilr.n.about sccrch pines. r wasnrt awarl of this but on6 of the pl;nni;; tnissionmern:er s $id Lhar rhev occasionally brown off. Is that rignta ds inyoneknc;? you,re using a lot of scotcn pines. - -
:::]n-:::?:"r: They acrually rurn purpte. rhar's rhe fall color. rhey do getver;r !,s!!rE.
Councilran tsoyt: They don,t defoliate?
Craig Johnson: $el.l, all pines do. nley go in rycles of 3 years perhaps. Itdelend; on the slEcies bur arl pines droi [r,.ii n.eares in .]"i.i Ii--j-'t" syears but then each year they giow tlrem igain. rhat's tlre Gv-ti,.-pii"" *rk.
CounciLnan Bo).t: Vlhat I,d like to see here is, I think erhat you,re after ardrhat I'm after is a visuar screen that roiiunaierv rculd get higher errery learand I rcur'd rike to see scnE sort of br.erd so re don,t have alr, of orE kird oftree. If for sfi,. reason they get struck uy-."ai""""a, r€.re out of a visualbarrier- so mavbe vou can ureni :n "*" otir.i ipropii"t" ivGii-pir* .i,..are dense. I have a question about gradint. -fs.ttrere
extensive grading goingon on this property? It rooks to ne-rike [t...-i" extensive gr"di.,gl --',frh.t,
=the depEh of the cut?
larry Broh,n: Ihe depth of the cut rculd be fairly mini.rnal. It,s going to be:t_fill. amounrs.atofo tlre s6ps6*".-;;;;,--th" grading alorg ttre southr€stclrner that,s goirE to be...
Counci Lllan Boyt: So r€,re iilkjng about tron rmrh fill.? lbU nany feet? civere a -sense of hhat r€'re tarking. 20? Alright. t rDurd rike t6 =""
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ycul rcw appeels to be softEwbat staggerd, that lre really make that very dense.I '"culd like to see, r.appreciate t66 g.niro.,un'" coiment about more total roofscreening. It sourds like you've aone-a g-J-iou from tn"-rri jnr.y-"ni frorn "gocd bit of lhe housirE_in lookirg at youi-firipectrve. i i.iiiltninr tn"tthe view of the roof, 11_Voy "9.ee, is'veiy' imgortant and r.le sfro-utd make everyeffort to make it a pleasant view for ttrose wt are going to have to 100k at iEso if r''e can screen off any kind of structures'rp tlrere. - thatrs a1r i,ve got.Irm sure interesred in other cfiments i;-il; council. r think that this, tome the acceprance of this in t'e neighborho- i" goint-.o d;;; "'!i"i. a."ron htrat it looks like. rt ap.cears tiXe it i*L pr.tiy nice'from tf,-t igr,roy.ilhat,s it look tike from the- neighborhoodi ---
councilman Horn: Did 1€ ever get an ansrrer to the question about the height ofthe building being appropriatei
Barbara Dacy: yes. r'1r. wagner raised that issue also. ltre zoning ordinancestates that the max iiu.n height- is one story ard his question ,-" ,i,"ii,.. o. noathat :ner rhe tsuilding Code. Although I,m iot exactly familiar with theconrenrs of the Building code, they will have to .eei that. rr,eie--aie-porti onsof the elevation t}rat do extend above 20 feet ard thatrs the c"nt.ruor"apprcacrl. The heishr of rhe occupied area wirr be r rhini';ppr;;irrii"iv rzfeet in ireiqht and it is our inteipreEation tn"t ii,.t,r=l'd;'iil;;;;req.:irefient. 'vfhaEever the Building code says, 1.8 have to do anylay. io if ithas tc be reduced, it has to be reiuced.
Counci Lran Horn: I guess ry only concern is I'm not a real fan of the vinylclaC viny). Obviously it. saneloay q,ants the t.*n "trff, r,ell, now r,e,ve gotled ard :1ac< stuff bur that sesns to be rrrhat everybody is buiiding *ith th"".9ur. c,:rr=:r;1y r don'r ber. ieve our orainance-is !':rti creai on d"l-ir=u".I knc, '.,"-hai a tcLrgn E J:ne definirg what,s an acceptable metal arri Lrhat isn,t.It s€e--ns like thar corregated clad rnetal is fine blt if you,ve lust qoicorregared metal, that r&uldn't be fine. r,ty particurar iret"iei."-ii iot forthat kincj of appearance.
councilman ceving: I Ehink it rcu1d be appropriate again for J.D. to cone backup here anc persenr that Iandscapi.ng and G*i.g plan one more time iJ-grre ,san idea on your board here. r uant-to know r^rtreitrer or not
'"er re iooi;ne at itfron tlre uEsE or r,e ' re looki.ng at it f rcrn ti," "ouir,.
--reii ,ri "g"ii*r"i xi"dof-ber.ning you're planning on- the r€st side r.rtrich faces tte resioentiJ'ur"uard potentialry to the south where there courd be scrne residential prooertieslookins ro rnis sire ard :r:g rl* exrenr. ard t)pe of gr;;;y"G; 'r.iiir n r".The tlpes of trees. HoH tall they will Ue ard-io forltr.
Craig Johnson: First of all, ,.et zne introauce [Urself. Irm Craig Jottnson frfiiBarrientos and Associates. !E are rardscape architects "rt .rpifo"i=--'Ini tiarrv r^E henc rhrough *," process or ti:e eianning o*nf=liEi'ffiior"r ,developi ng ard screenj rg, etc. the issues. cr the sest side, d ;i;-fr;""exterrled tl," scotch pines. .Ihere is potential for a benn i"'r* ;; ;;1lsnt-o{:fr IirE ro aFprox ima rery ttris point trere. rhar benni;-then iura ueactenred by conifers. rhose coniiers, rc selected th" "..a.h;i;eEL ortheir rapid gro^rth first of arl ard their abirity to ,i ttr"t"ra-arr,rsht Jrd t},"soil conditjons that are on the site. ve couid interurix, I Oon;t
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!t=g:. The Ncrway pine to break that q> also in view of the contrast to thedeciduous ard conifer trees. They're ui"a rr.ii.ary on tG -weil -irn -=ooti,
because Lhey do not provide wjntei screeninq. i{erve maximized the south andthe hrest wi'Jr everoreens. Be it Austrian pine and Scotch pine ard werve brokenthat up wi'-h decidious trees ard lrorway r.apre. -
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requi re'nents in regards to overhead onopy-or -i.* ard a; additionar screening.Plant ;nateriar r,ourd be planted at grade io lr-i.., r u.rGr"-ii'*=Jotopag,e in the winter screen. tnternally t*'ir.-*"a a lighter rbney tacust, thesunbursE Honey Lcust which r*ourd arrow'roi iieht si,aae ard ss.e vie!, into theretail c€nter u*rich is very criticai to G i.i"rop.r but arso adds sqrc shadefor vehj curar ard users. For the "nt..n"=-,*-alibJ t"-"r""Ll-i*iil* tr,impact of rhe sense of arrivat. uv-dir.Grii ;L?oP}, all tlre ray up throughard then orientatirq that to the ienter oi tf;e-proj ect site. fhii cirrnpy r,oufobe rEde by rhe Litrre r.eaf Lirden. rt *J;;e;y-;i;;;;;s ii'Jr"l#r, .nrn*that is j usr anorher accenr ro rhe sense or-uiiirur . ,'.i fl5,*i"-".!-'itro .r".yfragranr so the drive in wiII U" ui=uufiy-*a...
counci r"nan cevir,n3 0n day one when you open the center ard the lardscapirg isin, how tail will tltose trees le on lfre *"t "lJ. of that develotrment?
craig Johnson: lre're oroposing to use 5 foot trees at tfune of installation ard:1":." ]2.lTr. I nrice *re iz root i, G-;;l srrategic Jocarion adjacenrto the buildirg ard we've arso introduc"a r *ii""" sqne 12 foot at thii pointaLso. I1p cack side r"ould mainry be g toot ana
-tiren this first stretch rourdbea6foott!ee.
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councir'nan Geving: How high is that ber.r on the r€st side? rtsIr us erha t theview is from Section A? Are he lookjng frcrn iie b,est to the east?
Bri s is tlre south face ard this is the section. Ihis rculd be on
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Councilnan Geving: Ziegler's home for exanple.
J.D. t4acRie: Riahr. ??Iine up- thlough what re. call Ehe auxillary building.You have heard rf,at bui ld i ng-wo'n.' i -u.-tsiir ii-ir ii.,t "*y so it ,oura'ue-bermed upard dropped back down to a irat buirdirg "ori"6.. rtris section-i; ;;J furrhersouth of t,,is one. Ttris. one actuarly crits into the rniddle or tr,e-.inter.f::: sh?wing. at. Uris point. hE,ve goi "l"rt-"-a foor high be* r=..."-ilt.lrornt !,E're also 4 feet high. as r* get alorE the Uacl-slOe, ar_-; #incline, up're showino a 2 foot ferm 6o t}re Gci siae. ltqr again, as rasbrought up, at rhis p6int ,.r='re_1e-io ie"t-t iti,. rtE thought rdas thar beingthat the property "ontino"d to fall off or sdv-at tlE stame level. ghen youget dot,n.here, you,re loofing r-p into ttre Uuii6irrg through tfp U"no.'-'ilu, r.90r secrjon A rhar r€nr g::ysh the auxilrary u,riiair,g.-'ll;tioi-i'ir,.i',*r,.arors a porrion of rhe buildifo. s..ii;;--i"-cuttir{ tfiG;-itJ i,iiains onthe r€sr end. secrion o rs.c.u[ting-d;&; it it tr,. east erd. section E rheglade starrs cgming up as.G4th "d" ,p-.fo- iLL ru lr. Ttre grade differencers very minimal. Here !,Erve got a 3 fbt ffgt -lerm.
Counci Iman Geving: Irm satisfied wi ttt that. I j-ust $ant to ad.ei se ),ou thoughurat this i.s rhe thino rhat lt. con"*" .J-u.l vugr=. r*re referri.ng to. Itarwa)6 sesrs like the deveroper sho*," tr=* iirn" of schsnatics to us. Ttey
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PUBLIC HEARI}IG FOR PARTIAI, VACATION OF WEST 6411I STREET:
Uayor Hamilton called the grblic hear ing to order.
SA leed: f.guess I'm a little confused on hthat you,ve struck frm thevr'annr'ng conmrsslon. It seelns like I've 10st a liitre bit of bargai.niDg pohEr.I guess if you donrt approve, ard I guess I understard that )rou "for*"'tt=concept of the cul{e-sac nithout extensi.on of that to ru 41', is iilt -..*tz
f,layor Hamil ton: Right.
Gary Reed : lben if it is extended, tlen I r.Duld rDt be able to get a BN tl,Peof zonirg on my frontage there. Is that carrect?
Ma)rcr Hanilton: No, I don't know shere ltou cEtnE 14) with that.
Councilman Johnson: I tried for that ard it didn't get F:t in the motion.
Gary Re€d: I'm just trying to sort this thing out.
l'layor Hamiltoni i€ cantt deal with sqnethirE that's not before us is the i{hol.ething. you say you Hant scme 8N...
cary R!-ed: I'm just trying to get a feel for utpre I,n at with the frontage.
!'layor Hanilton: vJhat rd like you to do is nEke conment on the road. rhePartial vacation of west G4t}I Sareet.
Gary Reed: I can't really make a ccfirnent on it if r don't knor., $ttat it.s goingto.do. At.this poinr I'm for that concept. Not extend ing vilest 54tt! tit*t .rgculde-sacing. it. I guess you guys heard that there uas "-" fuioi" piin fo,reconnecring ir. hrell, I by:.n9 future plan for that. ft "niy-iutirf' pfan rt^ould have r'purd be nrayte utilizing a rof on the south side if tier. ,as .".r*Hay to get into Ben's protrErty if lrrat murd work out. But ac-cordi.ng to yourcutje.-sac. plans, I guess thal h,ourdn t t ue a via e... r think another
".nmentt€uld be that it seems ro me they r^,ant the road realigned "j Ul Hr.-;;;oi exit.ls that correct?
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real critical.Ttprers been scnre discussion of that but I donrt think that,s
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If tbey did then ue rculd be dealing with Ben so it,s not all on
Ben Couen: I think it,s pretty inportant to figure out ldtEt lrour plan is forconnecring. If )Du connect it; it- rnakes a lot 5f ai fference ;d;.';; ;;1ou're going to do it. Can you give us any clrr r*ut you plan on f;;tLfuture connection?
Mal.r tramilton: rhaE'!s scnrething thatrs going to have to be rorked out sith theProperty owDers. Itrs pretty hard for ui to say.
Ben Gowen: lfren?h
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Ben Golren: Before they start building or r.fiat?
I'layor Hamilton: That's right.
Ben GotEn: 'ItEn you.re reqr:irj ng them to @nnect to TH 4I?
l,tayor Hanilton: That's right.
Ben Gor.ren: Er, )rou have that perogati ve to requj. re that?
!,tayor Hamilton: sure.
Ben Goben: I doubt that.
l'tayor Hamjlton: Ihat's up to )Du. you can talk to lrour attorney I quess.Ours tells us r€ have every right to do that so thatis *da;;;a;;;:-
Ben covren: Then if 1ou're going to clnnect, how are 1,ou going to clnnect? Ihedrawj ngs you're showj rg here doD't show it on my property except for the verylasr 20-30 feer. I?pse are sketches I rearize iui ii itis " "i"t.r,, rel,s tarkabout erhat the reality js.
!'rayor HaniLtcn: r{erre talki ng about partial vacati on of existing trest 64thstreet and how 64th street gets reconnected to r{ 4r is scrnethj r[ we just,that's somethi ng that the dever.opers are going to have to r.rk out tsilnyourself ard with the Reeds ard see where it ccmes out. rf they can,i reach anagresrent, . tirel tle city is gojng to have to go through a condemnatj on processto accomprish it- I^Ie can'!t sit here tonight irt say ue knou it's qoinq Eoconnect 14) here, here or here because te havenr t any idea. It's g;ing toconnect up with Ttl {t sdneplace.
Ben Gouren: That r.rasn't my urderstanding ctnring in here tonight. you giuys arereally goirry to connect it up regardless.
Mayor Harnjlton: lhaErs hrhat tle motj on tha t r€s passed, thatrs hhat jt
contai ns.
Ben Ca!,Ien: It doesnrt seen very fair.
l€yor Hamilton: I thought you h,ere in favor of jt just a minute ago.
Ben Colren : I ,m in favor of the pro ject , )Es blt mt i n bei ng told rdhat i sgoirB to happeo to ny road. I.d like to have a s.ry so.
lrayor Hamilton: you'Il have a say. I,m just telling you right now tha E r€dontt know ht,ere 54th Street is 9oin9 to crnnect back-with Dl-{l. tg aon,tknow that yet. It.s going to cortnect W rrith it saneplace. Ihatrs Eoing tohave to be worked out wi tll you, with ttre neeas.ard with the dt;iope;;:"
Roger Zahn: I may have r€ited too long to make this cldment. I ,"as trying toaddress )rour corcern about naitirg until r€ get to (d) to t rk "u"rt il'tn. I€|uve r.rorked extensively with the needs and witn lt. Gor.En ant * t"o"-*
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obje.tion lErsonally as far as being the deverotrErs to connecti.ng up to 11r 41.This proposal ca;ne as a result of our r.istenirg to thsn aro prop6sirg -it ttway Lhey wanted to have it done and that's the r€y r..e rculd rike to see italso. Am I to understard that you have already voted.
Mayor HariLton: r guess I don't know hor{ else to say it so that },ou Ederstandit. If I could draw a plcture or scrnethiDg, I guess I,d do tbat but...
Roger zahn: So you are going to cordemn 64tL if r€ canit rork scmething o.rt?
!€yor Hamilton: yes, that rculd be our only choice at this point.
Roger zahn: could he ccrne r'eck. ard ask you to qrl-de-sac it at a future poi.ntin time? i€ have worked hard wi.th those people ard that,s cleiriy-*t"t tr=vnant on.their property. rt isn't rearry thal r€ r€nt to do any oie of thesethings in particurar except r€ lrant to work with the people in' ttre-neighbori,oodard tlat's wbat r€,ve trjed to do and ure've ta lked exiensivefi ar6 lf,ai,sreally wtrar rhey want. Ir seerns rike scrnehow this deriberati6n!-t Gi* outof their hands ard it certainry wasn't our intent. t€'rl cooperit" *itr,whatever you folks what us to do but r..E do want to suFport *;m. lhat wasn,tour intention to get this thing set up that i€y, not at all.
Councj Lllan Horn: It was ;ny jntent that what he were proposing rras that yguracormended with tjre cul-.de-sac. That lrs my intenti Ln ina r
-tr,orgr,t -tt, t o"how r.e changed the lrord ing. ThaE'is ny imprelsion of what 1€ r.nt it to u..
counci l:nan Johnson: r very clearly stated and restated that tlat's not rdhathre're vocirg for.
courci rran Boyt: I'd like to take a shot at this i.f r might. I think alr r.Edid was say r.re look off a constraint on you that said thai r,tr. Reed's finalplat had ro be approved before you could do anything. rtren r trrini L-r,.a =uiaall along,-the pranning conmission had said thit ,e-tr,i.nk that it rnakes senseto evenluar.ly have this hooked up to TH 4r. I don,t see that re,ve crrangeaanythirE except lre said to you, your project does not have Eo nait uniit nisproject is approved.
!E],or Hamilton: rtem l of the-plannjng ccrrnissi on's approval did not changeother than to rake out the Reed's neceisity to have tGir pfat +;;J.llothi.ng changed other than that.
Courci lman Horn: It doesn't t ork.
&urcilman Geving: r have to reiterate. t'ry intention arri my tlror:ghts Hhen rElpproved this was that r€ rdere. onl.y strikj.rg a fei,, crords whr;h reai ;;t-tlEReeds-frcrn-their_approvar of their-plat. eiso trrereii " b.Ltoo-ii;l-i=..,".very lasr, rire of that parricular crrnitim r. It tarks "tooi eltii-6tilet an:that should be struck as relr._ I?e very last 6 0r 7 rcrds of that coodition Ishould ar'so be struck because it refers to the rearignnent of gntr, it-r*t.Itts my. urderstarding t},ar utrat rE vord ut on r€s an-intent it-#-iuiir" tirr=to realign 54th streeE to TH 4r. Just an inteot. At sqnetirE as !,t. -Re€d
crures in with his prat, that '.uld be r.rked out. rihat r€ votJ- 16 J. tr,.cul-de-sac that was shor. to us m ttE plan. rhatrs tlE rav r-ie;-rt..-
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l'Eycr Harir.ton: Thar's because thatrs utlat I had said tn.t if you ,^ant to| ::::e-sac ir ranporariry unrir ar ;;';i; il"nIl".j'ti ii,)rnen tr,.t,"
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Counci lnan Johnson: that.'s why r pointed out tlrat this rast -ntence l€s thereard that rE- were sayirE that they couldn't cul-de-sac it. r trrougt t-r ".aia rtguj te clearty.
l,layor fh'ni lton: Did you erant to leave in, ard aligrroent of O4th Street?
Counci lman Johnson: yes, aDd I pointed that out anl ],ou didnrt leave jt inyour motj on.
frayor Hamilton ! Both Clark ard I had struck the last, r^,here jt sa},s ,,and
reaLigrrnent of G4th street to r]r.r 4r.n Both crark ard'I hJ strucr'lr,af rroncondition I as rell as, apprcve of -a final pfai for ti," i""a-pr"p"riyl- rto="r.rere the two i tsns that r€ struck fran cordition l.
cary iftrren: The moti.on didn,t strike c)e last phrase of it. At }east the t.yI copied it do..,n beqause I still had the questioi in my mj.rd.
Mayor Hamilton: |'ty moti.on. hras it only struck the part dealing with the Reedprc?.!r',,. rt did not srrike out the realignment.
Cou:rci L:ran Geving: But Tc:n it can,t r,ork ur-ltl;s lrou do strike the last part.
yavcr Ha,''irion: That's fine witn me. I ,r.;.,1d just as soon culde-sac it.Ten^Dorarj/ or hilate'e!. I. guess r,ii'lat I was sayi ng all a10ng was do '",,ila Eever i tta<=s rc :xaie the wircie thing work and it tiei back to nr ir at "or= iutr."dat: rhan tha r ,s h'tE: ought to be done.
Council:ien Ge!'jng! But that.'s the future and ltE can,t...
Barbara Dacy: i€ybe the city Attorney should advise as to how the counci I canclarify the i.ntent ard,/or the wording on cordition 1on tlre prer Jminaiy- pr.atfor the record.
Pat Farrell: you could have a moEion to reconsider. you coul,l go back toresorution r^fiatever it is or notion rdhatever it is ard make " ro[i*-toreconsider that to clarify the intent of the courrir. Restate ii aereiing t|elast, hrharever those words erding at a[prova]. ani deletirg "pp.*.i-oi-tr.final plat of tlre Reed property if thatrs really r*rat pri iiri".iior-i".
counci lman Horn: Right, and r made the secord and r furly i ntended that thatuas not part of the notion.
lbyor trarni.lton: I think r,e need to finisb the ore urat r€rre on. seeing how
:e hav: a public lea-ri rg open ard then r€ can go back. rs there anrbd etserrom Ehe prbrrc h'ho rEs a cqmEnt about t}|e vacation of rrbst 6lth street: myaddi tional information?
courci lman Johnson ''pved, counci lnan GeviDg secorded to cro6e t]re rr:blicbearing. Alt voted in favor and rnotim cairied. Th" p,raii;-t-..iil;;closed.
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CounciLman Johnson: I rhjnk jtls prsnature until !i,e find out how 64th Streetis going to be connected up. !{e cln't crose the peopre.s rifeline to rH 4t, oryour dri ver,ray. How can
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vacate scnerh I ng unti f 'r.e'i;"; ;;;-;;;.'io;1ng toreplace ir? untir the 64th street issue ii resolved, this should be-iaured.thj.s is a prqnature application for vacation.
Pat Farrell: one thing lfrat yoy could do is, you closed your publi.c hearing.you could move to tabl; that irratter until a iaier tirne.
councilnan Boyt: Before we consider the move to table, r think that ttE i ssuefor me is, our intent on htrat ue're going to do with the connection to 11r 4r.To move to vacate is to take an existing-entrancre ard exit out of that picture.so t'e question to rne is, are r.e.taking-oat oui p.-,,n""irv-"r-1..-il trri.,qit out until such rinre as there is an 5pportunity to put it back in? r rikethe idea of tying that particurar grestibn aomr sqnetin e soon. li it segnsappropriate to table it,. I h,ontt vdte agajnst that. It just i*r,," [o,,= "tscne point pretty guick here !,e have to decide r.rtrat kind of connection ao re
::*^:* thar's goirq ro jmpacr on thjs gentlsnan's ability to j.u"iop tt"t
l,layor Harilton: , .* ::. reason why the develolment canrt move ahead prior todoirg any vacation of 54rh or cening up r.ri th thl rearignnent. ri J["iit r,"r.any affect on whar,s ha?=nj!g on the property to the north, just so Iong as itgets done and I agre3 wjrh you.
counci lnan Boyt: r would argue TcEr that this is a criticar issue to the restof the c3vel.ixirent. r don't think hE have to vacate it until scrnewhere dohntire road bur I sure think r€ have tc tel] them what our intentrons ii".
!4ayor Hali]Eon: Sure. Thet's exactly what I,m syjng.
Councj lman Boyt ! How can v,e do that jf rc table it?
l''layor Hamilton: r'ie'll table it untir as soon as lie can get it back on theagenda and work with it more clearry. somehow it's got [o be rcrkea oui ano r9:rl! tli* u:,re go,ng to sotve anytni.g heie ronight. r hould rather tablert so staff can '"Drk with the Goueni s ana the Reed,i and *re aeveiopei to ccrner4r with sornerhi m rhar's going to r.rork. Arr r;; saying is I think ihit can regoing on r.rtri re the develognenl is going to-pr**"o 'or' fo;t";.r-';il"G.v ,,".ato do to continue on wjth their devef oirnent. ti doesn,t "top tf,.t. --.
Oounci lman Boyt: I see trto of the neighbors saying, at least tlD of thercighbors $iE want a culde-sac.
Courci lnan Johnson: Ihe tle property oldrlers.
Courcilran Boyt: What I,m very i nterested in is wttat do the people say whomight t using 64th as a current eDtrance/exit off of Tlr 4r.? rhatrs ar.theraffected sro,p and r rhink re need to u"l-iii"-tr=r,. ioi-in"i--ii"i#rr..,g *night l€nE to hold thj s up.
courci Iman Hcrn: the vacati on of r*st 6{th is a crear indication that t,,ei:!::!-"t !he. gv:rau plan lras ro create a c.Ide_sac ard tbis poEtt* r.puld bevacatd. r think rhe request to requi re rlat 6{th go out to ru'li -i"--u Lt r
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change in direction from vrhat vras being proposed and what these four coDditionshe were asked to vote on tonjght repreiented. Ib me lrE clear thjs thj.ng up byaccepring the cul-de-sac as ii is, it,s a pernnent prat-a;-rrl"i "i,"i'tn.Resl's develop ard the Gowen's develop ard they deciSe that tney want-io nave aProposal corne in htlere it makes sense to run ti.rat through, r.re s-hourd deal withit at that point but at this point the request is to have a culde-sac at thatpoint and lre donrt need 54th street anymo;e ard that's rrhy re have the requestto vacate it- I berieve, as I sai.d beiore, that's the beit ccrnpronise for lhisdevelopent at this poin!,
. :nd we should go ahead and proceed ti.,-i *V. - a" "matter- of -fact, . I thought that -was the wai re had decided to pro"J-initialry.!'Ie $'ould dear with the issue of 64th ht*n further deveroFent took pr.ace.
11"::f:::l ]_s:-ul?,,s with rhe partial vacation. r thini what thatis tetrineus rs that rn no plan is !ie5e any atteEpt to ]eave 64th t}le l€y it is today:r don ' t
. see rhat i n any of rhe plins thal there i.s an att;pr i6 i*". it tr.way it is today so r think itis appropriate to vacate it ani r don.t think it,snecessary for thsn to have it to proce€d wjth the project. - -:-
counci L'nan Geving: I think it's prsnature at this time to consider thevacation of 64th street and.r'll tel] you i,Jhy. rtrs a very regar matter. youvacate a str=et and you've just given it back to the propeity 6wners. !€,renot prep3reo to do that tonight. l€ don't know wh3t Lre'ie golng to do once $Jehave made that decision. The property oh'ners have it as of the mcrnent that hEvote on it and I think the Counci.l. r^rou1d agree with rne on that. It,s a very1e931 situation so wa're prenature on uhisl r think re need to uuy -cnre timeunti I r"E work out exactly what vre'!re going to do with 64th street as tai asVacatin: i.t. In fact, the prel iminary plat and the site plan i.s conti.ngentupo:'l t:r: vaca:ion of this street. That is agajn going baik to the nrrnb;r Iissue thar '"e're goi;:g tc bring back after this ii ou6t =o I thini t*;tn.,.=neec tc t::l= t:is na::e! and brirg it back with some good intelligence of whatve're gc!::g Ec io vriih the vacation. iie can not vacata iE. I,II ieII your rrEcan nc: do it to:right. That's how I feeL about it. t€ should tabl.e thismat:er fcr further consider3tion.
counci Lrran c€\,ing moved, Ilayor Hamilton seconded to table the request forpartial vacation of west 64th street for further consideration. -au voted infavor and motion carried.
counci lrnan Geving: lry feeling is r€ should drop the last rcrdage of cordition
l. tut a period after "reasonable approval,' ard strike "ard realigrnrent of64th street to T1r 4r.' and strike tlre rords "approval of a final ptit for ttreReed propertyrr.
counci Lnan Geving moved, counci lman llcrn seconded to r€consi der itsn g(b), the
Preli.minary plat reqr:est to create 3 comnercial 10ts. All voted in favor ardmoti on carried.
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Councj lrnan ceving moved, Courc j.lrnan Horn s€corded to ant€nd condition 1of theSubdjvjsion Request *85-7 to read as follows:
l. Approvar of the prelirainary prat ard site pran sbarl be contingent rponvacation of 54th street right-of-rray, executioo of a develoFnent c-ontract
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Counci lman Johnscn:
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wi th. tire city of onnhassen, fiting a letter of credit with the city oforanhassen frcm a recogni zed fi.naniiar instituii on-"rir,"ii. ri"i"-i.'business in the State of uinnesota and a form subj ect to the Cj.ty ;fChanhassen,s reasonable approval.
All' vot=d in favor except counci lman Johnson s,ho opposed ard fiption carried.
Councilnan Johnson3 I thjnk _what you just did, I hope you atterd the funeralsof tle people that get kiued on Ttf Z U*"*"-fow they, re tavel ing TH Z moreoften' This exit to '*r 41 is a crucial "*it-to-trro*'people rivi.rg-on thatstreet and you just closed it.
Councilman Gevjng: !E understanl that.
l,la)ror Hamilton: CLosed hhat?
counci Lnan Johnson: you just cl0sed 54th street. ltey no l0nger have accessto TH 11. ycu say so:netine in the future. Eronti er Gr= ,rs i*.Jrr. ,rn tr,.future, it was ;nany, many, many years jn the future. These people are gojng tohave to contend with Tfi z who now drive IH 41 because we're crosirg their onryaccess and r don't think that for this co.rmercial devel0pneni tirai',^e--snouiaPut our citizens in a safety. pred j. canrent naking than driire a muct moie-jntense,T:ki's p: pri;narv and rhe linsre exit out oi ir,i" i."iJ.nti"i i"r.iii,ir. tostate High'-ay 7 is ridicul0us. They should have an exit to a less intense
l1ighpy., a tess used highway other -than Iu 4r. A safe*out. to-l"i"oit' onto
_the hi gh'ray. Then rhey can go back up to the lights ard G". i-rEJ-fiehtprotecting than frqn those onco:ning estbourd c"is as ttrey try to g.i i; :fthey're tryin; to go westbourd. ltiue you au., -!on.
up i.nto oriole lane anotrieC to go westcounC on Tll 7?
lrayor Harj lto:t: yes. you can do it.
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councirman Horn: I'd like to ask how this precrudes another exit? All ,"E,redoing here is just...
Counci lman Johnson: you just gave them a cul_de_sac.
counci lman Horn: Alr re gave thsn here was the fact that re didn,t tie thisredevelognent to another--develo;ment on
"*aUoay. "lses properiy. Ve
-f,J.ra *tvacared exisrins 64th streer. elt ne're-takinq'it out 6r ireie'is *vi* *"athat is not a condition to alprove ti,l i-aereio'i.ent.
Counci tnan Boyt: I think Clark in the secord line there where it salrscontingenr q)on vacation of 64th str*t-iigi,t_ii_",ry * r€ are sayj ngcontirEent upon the vacation of 64th ,,t iJ'io." ,r.an crosirE it off . lt,i s isrrttat t€'re going to do.
Halor Hamjlton: conti ngent r4)on though. It hasn't been dorE.
Counci lrnan 8o6: Ttat's.right. It hasnrt been dore so the vote as to rrhathappens as far as tfre exit iiu tum ,p* -*i-a"ued rnatter. lihat r urderstand
Irm gojng to totally vote against jt. Itis a prime public
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yourre dcjng with what you currently struck is you,re simply taking out the. reference. yourre not e1i:ni.natj.rg itre "Uitity.
Barbara Dacy: tEspi Ee the option, connect or reconnect, you,re going to haveto vacate a part of 64th street in order for the developei to gef fui] -access
ontc TH 41 so the intent of lour condition is you're noi rnafini " "p."iti.statsnent at this time as to whether or not it shouto ue reconiectei!. you,restating that lrou're reserving your option r*en tlre Reed cunes uacx in for apotential p1at. Is that coriect?
lrayor HamiLton: I think that's pretty acrculate.
Barbara Dacy: Ihe intent of the staff leport was, again, that will cqne backin- a fairly simirar manner. the recannerdation beini tirat ttp citv ,,orra *tfile the resorution to vacate the street untir sdnet6ing is r-soiv;d. --srtl..,
connect or reconnection so itrs the cat catching it,s or.,n tail 0r the dog orso-nebody. in canrerbury Downs. In any case, lou;re goirg b-;i,r9;L-issue invery sjmjlar format L,i th the safile tpe of opiionr.
Gary Warren: hbich means ltrDot will not issue an access permit fo! thede'reloFnent and thei.r ne. w driveway access on TH 4r untir ihe city ,".ui." or.connection so el3 | re stiU tied in there.
l4al,'.?r ila,'n j lton : I,rIe t ve got to have nore j nformation on this and clari fy scrne ofthis stuff that filtered out.
Pat.Earrell: Is the prel iminary they,re approving is the cul_de_sac on U.leReed prop3lty?
C€ry h'arren: The one. I had on the screen, the last one, is my interpretationof irhat you,re approving.
Pat Farrel.l: glhich one?
C€ry Farren: the short cul{e-sac not on the Reed proper ty
Barbara Dacy: Thatts the one thaE's not on the Reed prolElty.
Gary lErren: otherwise if thi.s is the version, than yourre ti.ed in r.rlth trreplatting. . .
Pat Farrell: Just to clarify, ny only point is you ought to nail down urtrichone yourre talking about because yourve seen trF of thsn.
MalDr Hamilton: It has to be the first orE because r€rre Dot tying this to theReed property. t€,ve already el ininated that.
Barbara Dacy: So the Corrri I is saying Ehis orE?
Councj lman @viog: Can rc call it D.hibit A or smethirE.
Barbara Dacy: Cptj on 3.
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Councilnan Johnson: ltrat cul-de-sac happens to be on somebody elses property,not Hszrs property either. That,s on Scinnjtz' property ard ni.ed pro$.ty.
l.layor Hamilton: put a T on there on the HSZ property. Ihere are a lot ofalternatives I think that we haven,t even looied at.
counci lman Boyt: vlhat do re gain rf,ren r,e pass this? r wilr adnit to bei.ng abit lost. rt sesns ro n'. as ihough what tire deveroper is trying to do is rnakesdne plogress knowing rrtrat strould be the next step tle devel6pei is taking andyPa i. sayirg if you guys don't vacate G4tn sEeet, the guy- can't have arlla]or entrance and exit to his olEraEjon. !€rve tabled thit- issue. t{ow r€rrecanirg back ard vre're sanitizing nurnber 1. what r read, nLrnber I now sa)E thatthe gentlsran is eventually goiog to rEed to post a retter of cledit for hisdevelognent ard thatrs about all.
Hayor Hamilton: T?Et's nonnal.
Counci Llran Bo)rt: yes, but I'm sayirE that doesn't say...
Councilran Johnson: !,Ie haven,t solved anything here tonight unl ess r€ solvevrhether or not the realigned 54th street is goirg to reconnect to TH 4L anj atwfla t time period does that happen? wi thout fhat r,€'ve l€sted a 10t of timetonighr. re. can't. just culde-sac it like this. t€ can but I,m not loing to.Irm -ying that prior to vacation of 64tl, street, those peopre ne* ai-exit toTH 4r ard rhey need a road connectirE alr the my frqn rfi 4i to where the ord64th stleer usec to be and that's the position I-,m taking "" ti,i= pii"i to anyvacation of the other one. I€ can alprove a prelirninary plat Uut iL -
prel ini nary pla r ioesn ' E have uEt culde-sac- on it . rire- prer ilniniiy pratsho'rs a vacatec streer bu! then a cordition of approval of the pre:. r-rniniry pratis .-hat !'re vacat= t'le st!-t and then r€ go to ti:e next "rg,-ani. ve iraven ' tsolved anyE;iing Ft.
l'layor Hamj:ton: If that,s the case, ard if thatts i.,hat you realty believe,then what the city has to do ard re should do illrnediatel! i" =tari cindgnnationProcess and just select a place r*rere the road is going io go. Baseil on wrratthe developer is-saying, they've workd with trre n6igrr6oruo6: "na ir=y-Lr" notmade progress and so rather than tying tiis to t{e -Reed propertt, trre'city wiuhave
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to 9o thrcugh a condsnnation 6f frop"rty ard force ih';;#'th;;ril.thatrs an opri.on lre have ro take a rook lt atso ard r think ttro"e ii.-iii"options lre don't have raid out for us Eonight and that's h'tEt E-need Io rooxat. Ard I donrt agree that re havenrt accarpf i snea anlching. VE,;a-ccme al:l? Tv": !,raybe rhele's been a 1or of gun ieating uui ttrii is noi-"ilu.vlssiue to deal vrith.
Counci lman Johnson: CouLd I ask staff a question?
la]rcr tlami lton: rs it sdiethirE nefl that r€ havenrt deart uith before?
Courci lman Johnson: Itrs sfirething you bro,ght rp. Gn tlle City crndann
3ebody': property ro pur a neu street in f5r uri prpose "f-iii*iiii-i'cqmercial develognent to develop in tlris area?
Pat Farrell: yes.
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l6ycr Hanilton: So now r€ bave before us, i{e votd to reconsj.der jtqn 1.li"'re on 8(b) but i ta'n l of the corditions. i€ have striken aFproval of thefinal plat of the Reed property ard at tlre last line, ard aligiment of 64thstreet to TH 4I.
counci than Horn: t nress I misurderstard something, our choi ces are re can have64th gc through or r€ can lrave the nain entrance to ttris develognent.
Barbara Dacy: 64th real i gned.
cary warren: One or the other.
Courci linan Horn: realigned to go through or?
Gary Warlen: 64ttl L,Lig feet south.
Counci L'nan Horn: I,ISO feet south of ttre Reed property or farther south?
C.ary ll3rren: L,1g0 feet south of the center line of IH ? whict puts you intothe Reed property.
Counci Lran Horn: So if people really $,ant that lo go through to TH 41, thenth3y donrt $rant to appro!'e this cul-de-sac?
BarDara Dacy: Rjght. Thatrs the issue. Either the cul4e-sac or you
reconnec: to TH 4I.
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Ccunc i J-'nan Boyt: Anc
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'-hat's why ,,E tabled tlrat j s because hre don r t know so
Councilman Geving: I th ink re're still aLr jght. with cordition I.
Counci l:ran Boyt: .UI cordition 1 says i.s the $rhole thi rg falls apart jf bedon't vacate 54th Street. Does anytody have tlouble living with that?
Councilrnan Geving: No, because it's goirE to haplren.
Councj lman Johnson: Because r€'re really mt sayj.rg how they going toculde-sac...
TRAPPERS PASS ADDITION, I.OCATED ON TTIE NORTH AND WEST SIDES OE' PI.FASAITT VIEIi
ROAD AppR0xIr.RTfr.y. V4 MIIE WESI OF H!{y I0I, LUNrcREN BROTHERS CONSIRUCTION!
SUBDIVISION OF 32.5 ACRES INTO 34 SIIIGLE EMILY t'TS.
WE'TIAND ALTERATIOI.I PERI"IIT TO CONSIR(,CI A PODD WITHIN A CTASS B T,EITAND
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Barbara Dacy: Brjefly, t know tlp applicant has suEnj tted a letter to each ofthe Councj Imsnbers objectirE to three cordi ti ons on the plat. One of tlEnbeing the tree ramova). plan. sec-ondly, in regards to th! park ard Recreation
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CTiAN}IA S SB.I CITY COUNCIL
REGIIIAR MEETIIIG
JTJLY 25, 1988
COTJ},IC I T^I'IBIBERS PRESS$:
Counci lman Johnson
CONSE\T AGE\DA:
the following Co
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The neetj ng uas opened rdjth the
STArF PRESENT: Roger Knutson, cary l{arren, Barbara Dacy, Jo Ann Olsen, lbddGerhardt, t ri Sietssna, larry Aroin ard Jim Chaffee
APPRo\rAL OF AGBIDA: Oounci rman
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Johnson rroved, ooLrnci. k,.n Geving secorded to
lpprove the agerda as anrended with the forrowing additioDs * il;;-'counci laran Boyt wanred to change itsn 11 to the first itgn u.dei rci-arsi.e="ard add an itan under council presentations, the Minnetonka w""o.
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Horn wanted tc add under council presentations discussi on on i.i.."rrrni
"nol"layor Hamilton branted to move it6n 9 onto the consent Agerda as itr. (d. Allvoted jn favor of t5e agenda as amerrled ard the motion iarried
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Councilman Horn moved, Councilman Cieving seconded to alprovensenr Agerda iterns Elrsuant to the City l.tanager,s
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a. Resolution :88-i7.. Set Rrblic llearing Date, Industri aL Develotrnent RevenueBond Application, Llman Lunber.
b. Curry Farms 2nc AdCjtjon:
2. Approve RIJ for Tracts A, B ard C
c. Approval of Devel otrment Contract for Buresh Mditjon.
d. Approval of DeveJ.ognent Contract for Ersbo Additj.on.
e. Approval of Develofnent Contract for Audubon !Est.
t . IISZ Develotrment :
1. Atrprova1 of Develotrment Contract2. Approval of Final plat
3. Review Finat Site plan
9- ordinance Amendment to Allow state Licrensed Ey care centers as an Ac.cessoryUse in the Iop District, Final Reading.
h. Eptat of t t 5, sun Rjdge Addj tion into 2 t ts, Roal GratrE.
j . lGry schrrnach er , 2g4L !,torth l,tanor Road:
I. Prel iminary plat Approval2. Final plat Ap,pro\ral
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690 COULTER DRIVE . PO. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN. MINNESOTA 55317
(512) 937.1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
CERTIFIEDAugust 29, !990
!lr. Roge! Zahn
Seven-Forty One Partnership
10I0 Pleasant VieI^I RoaC
Chanhassen, MN 553I7
Re: Expiration Date for Installation of
Seven-Forty One Crossing and Reedrs'Project No. 88-17 (pvt)
Implovements for
Orchard Ridge
Dear Mr. Zahn:
On December 6, L989, the City
extend the expiration date to
of improvements on Seven-Fort
reducing your Letter of Creali
and thi s year's constructionis very concerned as to your
inprovements on both Reed's
we are therefore requestingoutlining your schedule for
on both projects.
granted your request to
1990 for the installation
ssing together $ithis date has come and gone,
nearing an end, the Cityfor completing the required
tlge and the retail center.that you provide us with a letter
completing the remaining improvements
CouncilJuly 1,y One Crot. As th
season rs
s chedu 1e
Orchard Ri
Listed below are the items remaining to be completed prior to
November 15, L990. If the City does not receive a letter withyour intentions by SepterDer 10, 1990, the City will proceeil in
tlrawing on your Letter of Credit to coBplete the improvernents as
outLined herein.
The outstanaling items to be completed by November 15, 1990 are asfollows:
1. Finish
( Reeds
street and storr! seeer construction on 6{th Street
Orchard Ridge ) .
Remove weeds
replace with
around retail site (rrest antl south sitles) ancl
sod or seed to stabilize slopes.
Repair erosion damage in pond lying south of retail center.
Replace dead landscaping on retail site.
2.
3.
4.
I{r. Roger
August 29
Page 2
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5. Complete lanilscaping as shown on the approved plans dated
November 9, 19d9 (i.e. sumac, etc.).
On a closing note, the City has authorized the installation of astreet light along the turn lane on I.H. 7 into the retailcenter, as well as, your Bain entrance on T.H. al. Ihe costsassociated with installation of tbese lights rci11 be your respon-sibility. The City will assume the cost-of electriciiy.
If you have questions, please contact me.
Sincerely,
CTTY OF CHANHASSEN
David C. Hempe ISr. Engineering Technician
DCH: jms
JoAnn Olsen, Sr. planneX
Gary iiarren, City Engineer
Don Ash-v,rorth, City [ianager
Roger Xnutson, Attorney
Ron Quanbeck, Minnehaha Creek Watershed DistrictAdministrative Packet sent 9/L0/90
HRMA bq ,/-
RECEIYED
sEP 14 1990
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lrl:'. David C. Hempel
Senior Engineering Technician
City ol Chanhassen
690 Couller Drive
P,O. Box 147
Chanhp-:sen, tlN 55317
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Dear Dar'id:
Persuant to your letler ot 29 August f990, fd like lo apologiza on behatl ol Seven Forty Ona
Parlnership tor the lardiness of this response,
The following is an ilem by item response lo your oonoems in lhe samo order as your latter:
We are currenlly taking bids on lhe remaining work and will
nolity you as soon as we are lo aryard.
Kraus Anderson has been conlacled by me r€gardino lhis matter. lt
will be repaired.
3 - 5. Clem Springer ol Weis Manaoemsnt, our oente/s maneg€r, b
handling these items lmmedistely wilh eilher our lendscap€
subcontraclor or our mainlenance contrac-lor.
Please be assured that these ltems will be hanclled con€cily and ln a limely manner consistent with the
15 November 1990 date so slaled in your letler.
Sincerely,
SB/EN ONE PARINEFSHIP
Richard A. Heise
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Cle;r Springer, Weis Management
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can get great food and service,
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be a big focus for us, but we
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P.J.'s is shorE of pajamas. the establishmenE will have life
sized cardboard figures wearing a variety of sleep Lrear hanging
from lhe walls. the ernployees will all be clad in mens pajamasin either the pant or shorts varlty. We will be using alot of
neon in the bar area, using blue and green Eo accent the hard-
wood floors. The restaurant w111 be decoraEed Ln blue and
green also, but adding mauve to create a light fun atmosphere;
The food:
P.J.'s will pride itself on itrs food quality and creativiEy,
Aside from our regular selection of sandwiches, lncluding
burgers, ruebens and many chicken sandwiches. Our lunchspecialty will be a carvery bar, where patrons will have a
choice of three meats, cut and placed on a choice of breads
and cheeses. The customers will then be gulded to the salad
area rohere they will get to help themselves to homemade potatoe
chips and two salads, which will be rotated on a daily basis.
The dinner menu will also lnclude a varlety of sandwlches but
we will also feature some untque specialty Ltems. Stuffed
chicken breasts wlll be our rnain evening fair. These entreeswill be filled with a vsrlety of stuffings from crab tovegetables. Also being features will be prlme cut beef, includ-ing filet mignon, New york strlps, and Prime rLb. For thehealth consclous consumer we wlll speclallze ln several freshfishes offered daily and a varlety of shrlmp entlees.
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Jeffrey H. Irrthum
3667 Falcon Way
Eagan, MN 55123(672) 456-9767
Personal profile:
Excels in positions of najor resPonsibillty requirlng mature
business judgement. An effeccive communicaEor who motivates
and inspires others to thelr best efforts and maximum
accomplishments through effectlve leadership, ProPer utilization
of personnel and the abillty to conEribute creative and cost
effective approaches to problem solving.
Director of trainin
eve oPs an mP ements management an taff training programs.S
Revrrites and establishes tralnlng materials. Provides and
dist.ributes aII training updates. DirecEs and guides all
company employees thru said training programs and seminars.
Trains alI incoming managers one on one in an establishedtraining unit,
November 19 89 - ?resen!
Fuddruckers Restaurants / Discus Corporation
General ltellaSe!
Direccs and manages aHires, trains, motivapersonnel. DaiIy dut
accounEing, sales rep
June 1987 - November
IL business and operational functions.tes, and evaluates a staff of managemenEies lnclude: Scheduling, purchasing,orts, promotlons and maintenance.
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Fuddruckers Restaurants / Discus Corporatlon
Assislant Manager
Re s ponFiSIE for a II dally shlft operatlonal dutles as
as individual responsibillty for nultiple departments
the lestaurant.
December L984 - June 1987
EducaEion:
Normandale Conmunit Col le
Mother Tuckers Restaurnats / Chamrnps Foods inc.
Kithen Manaeerfia;agefran-ffipervi s ed all food preparatlon for regular menu
service and special banquet events.. Supervlsed and dlrecteda staff of 2 asslstant managers and staff employees.
March 1983 - December 1984
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August 1981
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Hospltallty Managenent.
Experience:
Fuddruckers ResEaurants / Discus Corporation
and Human resources
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Onion Rings
Stuf f ed l'lushroon Caps
Fried Uozzarella Sticks
Chicken Wings
Chicken Tenders
Potato Skins
Deep fried Mushrooms
Buffalo iiings
Seasoned Criss-cut Fries
UENU
?urkey
Meat of the Day
SAUCES
Honey l'lus Eard
Sou! Cleam
THE SALADS
Chef Salad
Ham & turkey with two cheeses, tomatoes, broccol,i, cucuEbers,
and olives.
Itafian Uixed Green salad
BelL pepper, tomato hredges, onions, eggs, cucunbers, & sliced
olives nixed in an italian dressing.
PoLynesian chicken Salad
Bananas, pineapple chunk, mandarin olanges, coconut, & walnutsirith poppyseed dressing.
THE CARVERY
Your choice of:
Ham
Roas'- Beef
se.rved on your choice of rolf or croissant' Build sandwich big
as you wan-. at condiment ba!. CoBPlete your lunch $rith a variety of
s.ide dishes of the carvery buffet line.
Broccoli Bakewild Rice Dressing
Cheesey Potatoes
Tuna Casseroles
Pastas - Cheese or llarinara
Bacon Cheeseburger - Bacon
Mushroom & Swiss BurgerSicilian BurgerPike's Peak Burger - Sour
rHE BI'RGERS
& Cheddar
Crean & Rart Onion
Rernoulade or H. M.
Marinara
Chicken T'aco Sa1ad
Leltuce, . cheese, tomatoes, green onion, black olives & sour
FROI,I THE COOP
Chicken Sandwich Cordon bleu
Han & Srriss
Chicken Club Sandwich
Bacon & Swi,ss
French Quarter Chicken Sandwich
Cajun SeasoningSicllian Chicken Sandwi.ch
Uushroom, Onions, & Creen Pepper Hlth Itallan
Sauce & Mozzarella
Irrushloom & Swiss Chicken Sandrrlch
uushroom & swiss
Uesgulte,Chicken Sandwich
Shrimp TortelllniPlantation CasseroLe
Pasta Prima VeraUeatloaf SandwichPrine Rib SandwichPliIle Rib DinnerllY Strip Steak
Build your oh'n pasla bar - Choice of Sauces
TIi]CE BAIGD POTATO
Cordon Rouge
Crabmeat, cheese & creaD aauce
Champi gnon
Rich mushroom sauce
f tali.ano
Mushroom, onions, & green peppel ln Italian Equce.
A La Leslie
Crabmeat & sauce Bernaise
As i.s
Served with butter & sour cr€am.
HOUSE SPECIAITIES
Tortel l inl
Ri gatoni
Feta c ini
CHICKEN STI'FF IT
Lou.isiana Corion Rouge
Crabmea! & cheese topped wlth cream sauce.
Devonshire Chicken
Harn & two cheeses.
Chicken Florent ine
Seasoned spinach mushroon & cheese - narinala
Chicken Morocco
Brocco1i, mushrooms & cheese - cleam sauce.
I'larlnar!
Al fredo
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CITY OF
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PC DATE:
CC DATE:
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Preliulnary Plat to Subdivide 78 Acrea into 75 SingleFarity Iots and Wetland Alteration Perrlt to Develop
Wtthin 200 Feet of a C1ass A Wetland and to Create
Retention Ponda Adj acent to a Claaa A lretland
Northuest corner of Llr[an Boulevard and lake Ri].ey
Boulevard
PROPOSAL:
IOCATION:
APPLTCANT:John Kl ingelhutz
350 E. Ewy. 212
Chaska, lo{ 55318
BiII Engelhardt
Bngelhardt & AsEociates
1107 Eazeltine Blvd.
Chaska, l,IN 55318
PRESENT ZONING:
ACREAGE:
DENSITY:
AN'ACENT ZONII{G AIID
I,A[D USE:
WATER AND SETER:
PHYSICAL CHAR.ACIER.:
I,A}{D USE PI,AN:
RSF, Resldential Single Fanily/R4, t{ixed Low
Density
78 acreB (gross) 34 acres (net)
.95 unit/acre (gross) 2.2 u/a (net)
N - RSP; alngle farily
S - RSF, vacant
E - R-12, lakeviev Apartrentrr - RSF' sl.nglc farlly
fltbln XrSA. fater and Beuer uill have to
be extended through a nev ratetrain.
the elte le currently vacant ercept for onerlngle fartly re8ldence. ft contaLne alatge C1asa A retland and eore areaE ofvegetatLon. fte ral or5,ty of tbe aite lsfarred.
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John Kl ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 2
PROPOSAL/ST'UUARY
The applicant ii proposing to create 75 aingle falily lots onproperty zoned RSF and located at the northueat corner of IakeRiley and LyDan Boulevard. Se parcel contains a large Class Avetland and part of the flry. 2Lz right-of-ray. Ibe app).lcant isapplying for prelininary plat approval and a vetland alterationperalt to alloy developlent rithin 2OO feet of a CIaEs A setland.
The applicant is proposing to eubdivlde 78 acres into 75 einglefanily lots. I'lre 78 acres contains g+ acres shich rLll contain the75 single fanily lots, 23 acres of outlota and 20 acres of streetright-of-way. The outlots are aE .follors:
outLot A 23,339 sguare feet and ls a rennant piece ritha large - drainage ditch going through itIocated betveen shat is ahour as South Road
and Llman Boulevard.
outlot B 2L,254 square feet and rill be used as a
drainageway directing drainage into the Class
A uetland and is located at the end and northof the South Road cul-de-aac.
Outlot C ,1101659 square feet and contains the Class Ayetland located at the southeastern section ofthe property.
outlot D 212
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564,219 rquare feet and contains ttre Hyy.right-of-vay and reDalning property tonorttt of HYy. 2]..2.
The street rlght-of-uays proposed for the plat contain the Lnternalstreets as part of the eubdl.vLelon, propo8ed Hvy. z,.,2, Lhe Riley
Boulevard and Lyr.an Boulevard. 'lllbe ;furglc farlly lots are dividedinto 5 block3. lflre net density of the propoaed subdivision Le 2.2units per acre rtich reets the raxlrrrr of 3.4 unlts per acre forresidentl.al lov denslty. Se lot eizee range fror I5,OOO 8quarefeet to 38,976 square feet rltb ln averagG lot etze of 19,969square feet.
The subdivieion has gone through aever.l rsvlal.ona to rect tieZoning ordlnance requLrerents and to rccoDodate. thc Claa8 Ayetland. with tlre ercept!.on of 3 lota, rll of tbe lot3 ret theZoning Ordinance reguLrenenta and there 11.11 be no detrhentalLnpact to the Claaa A.uetland rtrlch vll.I be preaened ln ltrenatural 6tate.
Iake Riley Hills
John Klingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 3
As part of the prellalnary plat, the Park and Recreation Couiesl.onis recounendlng dedicatlon of Lct;6 2L-26, Block 3, for park land
and staff is reconendl.ng additionat right-of-vay along the tlortb
Road, Ilest Road, Lke Riley and Lyran Boulevard. tB a result ofthe addltional right'of-yay atong la*e Xllley and L]rran Boulevard,lost likely the 3 lots betreen South Road and Lyran Boulevard uiIIbe lost and Lt 1, Block 5 ylU bec e unbulldable ritb lees than50 feet of lot depth.
The Subdivision ordinance requl.reE a 3O0 foot offset for any localEtreet from the intersection. To reet the require[entE of theSubdivision ordinance, the souttr Road uould have to be Bhiftedapproxinately 60 feet to tbe north to laintain tbe 3OO foot offset.Ifith the addition of right-of-uay on Lynan Boulevard and 6hifting
South Road to the north to Deet the Subdivision OrdLnance, there isa possibility that the applicant uould also be losing lots north ofSouth Road and that any raaining lots in tbat area uould have thebuilding pads shifted clo8er to the uetland and the ?5 footEetback. Irue to the potantial of the 3OO foot offset requireuentpushing developuent closer to the retland, staff iE in tavor ofgranting a variance to the ordinance regulrelent and feels tbat the240 feet that is belng provided 1111 stlll provlde enough safeaccess for vehicLes enterLng and leaving tbe site.
Ehe preliuinary plat has several conditLons of approval, uith thenaJority of the conditions are the basic conditions that apply toall .p1ats and uill not reeult in sigmificant clrange -tl - ttreprelininary plat. frerefore, etaff ls re6ouending appi6vat ot tleprelininary plat and yetland alteration penit -rith coiditionsprovided by staff.
Ihe eubdivision is being provided vith lnternal itreeta for aneaat/reEt future connection and acce88 fror Lyran Boulavard. ,lllre
subdivision alao pr-olroBes 3 cul-de-8acs to acc;aa lota adJ acent tothe Clasa A yetland. AU of the .treets provlde ttre reiulrcd SOfeet.of flgh!-of-u!y. staff la recmendlng that the rlEf,t-of*ayfor the North Road ard the fe8t Rord be tncreared to eO leet aEthey are antlcipa.ted to lunctlon u colloctor rtraatr ln thefuture. Ihla rldth v111 alao facllltate thc lnatallatlon ot agideralk. lbe- -prclhinery plat - .hoNrld note the rlght-of{rydLreneiong of r11 rtr..t . !l,he rlght-ot.{ry for the cril-de-trcsare a 50 foot radl.ua rnd tbG otdl.nanc. r.qu-lr.r r 60 foot radLuafor an utban culde-aac. !he prclt rLnary pfat ehould be changed toreflect tlria.
STREETS
In conparl.ng !!e. proposed plat e-rtl.tted sith tbe County balf-eectione, ataff ia unable to detenrl.ne rtetbcr a 33 f;t yide
Iake Riley Hllls
John Xl ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 4
InltiaIIy,
Boulevard.
aegEent of land along the north half of Lyran Boulevard bas beenpreviously acquired as right-of-uay or - acgulred by easeuent.Neverthele8s, prelilinary reaulta contalnod in tbe Eaitern Carercounty Tran8portation Study (excer,I,tt .ttachcd) point to trafflcvoluneB ln exceaa of 7,{OO ADT for thla roadyay. Itrscharacterietics rank it as a tl.nor arterial, Claaa II irhich yiIIrequire a 12O foot rlght-of-uay (60 feet on each tide of thecenterline). It is therefore neceasary that a 60 foot vide riEht-of-ray be granted along the - Boutbern botder of the propoeed plat.Itris uidth uould also allor incorlroration of the futu-re irait ilongLyDan Boulevard.
Ttre ordinance requires that a rinilul centerl ine offBet distance ofintersectiona be 3oO feet. fherefore, tbe appllcant vill have toshift the intersection of South Road and Best Road approrirataly 60feet or receive a variance. Tbe Iocatlon of the Soutb Roadprovides lote ylth adequate area for developrent rlthqrt lryacting
the -yetland. As prevlouBly Etatcd, tbe clty 1111 bc requliinE anadditlonal 27 feet along Lyran Bouleyard to acconodate -necessary
road inprovelentE. ta a re8ult, the appl icant rlll probably loosl3 -IotE betueen LIZran Doulevard and South Road. tlo3t lttslys!lft|"S South Road furt.her to tbc nortb, ln addttion to prwtdingadditlonal right-of-yly rLl.l reault ln th. loge of rore- lote andpuehing other lotc cloeer to the uetlattal. Slnce tt rill rcrutt tna lore closer frtr,rct, to the retlaDd duc to tho prorhlty of tbeholeE and tlre Etreet ha3 an ofl8st of 2aO t6ot, rtttt rcu1d bc lnfavor of a varlance and rl.Ior Souttr Roaal .n off8.t o! .t !.r.t 2aOf9et. lte Clty rngineering Departrent ha8 agreed to 3ulrport thlsalternatLve.
the only acceaa to the elte vlll be trotrhen future developrrsnt oocurE around tbir rl.te,r{rranIt ie
lfhe aforeuentioned transportation etudy desigmated the Begnent ofIake Riley Boulevard north of Lylan Boulevard also as a uinorarterial, Class rI roaduay. Therefore, a 120 foot vide right-of-vay will also be required for this road aeglent. Itris ridth souldincorporate the future trail. Itrua a aeparite trail easenent yould
not be necessary.
The street sidths provided in the prel ininary is ehorn to be a 32foot face curb to face curb. Itis is €guivalent to the citystandard of a 35 foot back up curb to back up curb for an urbancollector Btreet. lftris Etandard is appll.cable to the North Roadand West Road. TIre applicant should be advieed that tlre Ioop Road,South Road and South Cul-de-Eac ray be reduced ln ridth to a 31foot back up curb to back up curb if eo deeired. Tlre intersectionof South Road and llest Road iB located approri.rately 2{O feet northof LlrDan Boulevard.
Iake Riley Eills
John KI ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 5
anticipated that [orth Road uill be extended both to the eaEt anduest and provide additlonal access polnta to the subdivLsion.Until the North Road is extended in the future. t€Dlrorar? sul-de-sacs sil1 be required to be LnstaUeal at the enils of the NorthRoad. Barricades yill alEo be regul.red to be lnstaUed at theteDporary cul-de-aacs and they vill bc slgned deelgmating thel tobe only teDporary and a future load erteneion. Outlot D,-ntrleb isbeing separated fron the reat of tie property by the l.ryrrovenentsfor Evy. 212, La currently deslgnated aa unbuildable and vlII beplatted in the future. At that tlle etraet connectLonE to ttre eiteuiII be revieued.
There currently exists a private drivevay along tbe easterlyboundary of the proposed plat vhich eenrices a houee located in ttrenortheast corner of the Eite. Tbe residence driveray sasconstructed via a dike rhich bieects the retland area. 1t tsanticipated that the proposed Trunk Highvay 212 lryrrovenent riIlreguire the reroval of this house. In order to convert the vetlandarea back to itrs original Btate as one uhole vetLand, staff isreconnending that the gravel driveray be reooved. Such effortsshould be coordinated betreen tbe DepartDent of lfatural Resources,Corps of Engineers and Fish and Wildlife Senrice and ylth the Cit|of Chanhassen. In prelininary discussions vith DXR and plsh andWildlife, it sas stated that lt vould be preferred to have theoriginal uetland re-established as one coupltte retland. lftre platis. proposing to contl,nue to senrice the Louse rith the erislingdrivevay through shat Ls nov being proposed aE lot 1{, Block 2.I drivevay easenent ehall have to be provlded over tot i{, Block 2for access to the existlng houae. Since ttre drivevay rtll becrossing over the end of North Road, the reroval of tnle currentdirt road througb the yetland yill not reDove accesa to the housesince access can nou be obtained frou the ney llorth Road aB part ofthe subdivision.
UTILITIES
A Etudy has been authorized by the Clty Council, rt th€ request ofthe applicant, to deterrine tbe feaaibi.Ilty of icrvlclng th-lt arca?lth a uatetraln and eanitatl Bercr. - A condltioi ot tbleauthorizatLon ra3 for tbe appl tcant to ]rhlt r florooo lcttcr ofcredit or cash eecror to guirantee palimnt of erieniee ascoclatedyl'th.the_ fea_albLlity atyly. rue sec'rlty rcqutrei lar not y-t uccnreceiv€d and aa a rcsult, tlre atudy nai rc€ bean lntttetid.- tteappl icant doe8 not uant'to aubrlt e tcttar of credlt or caan a.cEouuntll .tbe. application lae gone througb the nrannlng coniicion rncase lt is recouended for denlal dr regurtr in -ruch ext&elvechanges tbat the proJ ect Ls no longer feaeiblc. Once Lt ie clear
!U?i tU"-proJect 1111 rove ahead,-the appllcant rill subnlt tbeletter of credlt for the feasibillty at:riay to be tnitlaied and
Iake Riley HiUs
John Kllngelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 5
understands that tbere uill b€ no final plat approval untll auch afeasibility study ie coqrleted and lt ir deterrined bou theraternain and aanitary Eeyer sLl.l be erl,ended to the slte.
Staff iE recouendJ-ng tbat the appllcant I s englneer subrlt the floscalculations for the sanilary Eeuer Bystel to verlfy plpe capacttyand rinirun acore velocitiea throuEb aLl of the aever ccarentsuithin the proposed subdivieion. stiff iE alao recoEetrding tbattlre applicant I a englneer verl.fy tbat tbe crletlng llft atatton and{x forcelain seser to facllltate ttrLe guDdivigion ie adequate !,nsize and capacity. ft ahould be noted that the entLre dev-lopnentis proposea to be Beryiced by gravity 8eyer, hovevcr,- tbeconnection point for thl.s systen riII be ln the vlclnity of LlrnanBoulevard and Iake niley Road and imediately upetreau fron anexisting lift station and {i forcenain.
All of the sanitary sener and stor aeuer extensione, vJ.ll requirethe respective drainage and utility easenente and ahall be denotedas such on the plat. The proposed detention ponds andcorresponding access uays vill require eaBelentE. I,he teDlrorarysul-de-sac at both ends of Xortlr Road ul.Il also require teDporary
easeDents to cover tlre portions outside of tbe platted right-of-rayand rhall exist until such tire that the road extensions areconstructed and the cul-de-sacs are reDoved.
EASE}IENTS
GRADING
The plan ls proposing to grade the Boutbern tso thlrds of the al.te.lhe final gradiag yl1l be airilar to ttre eriatLnE tolrography on thesite shich drains prharlly aoutheast lnto the setland irea. tllreateepest slopes yiII be found in tle rear yaral areas of tlre lotssurrounding the getland area, specifically, LtE 3O-3S, Block 3,
and lota ,l-8, Block 3. Slnclal slope stabllizatlon retlrode such asuood fiber blankets and:fype IIf eroaion control ulll be reguiredin these areas.
Tlre applicant uas requeeted to obtaln and prorrlde lnfotratlon fronlOrIUl detailing the eurrent plan Gl.vationg for tbe corretpondingaegrent of future roadrray for the Eqr. 212 Lrprovelant. Itrislnforratl.on haa not beett aubtltt€d, hoyevar, 3orc tlope graillng Lsahorn on tbe plan. Strff stresaea tL need for tha appllcant tosubnit the requeated Lnfot:ratlon on the futurc trunk Eighvay 212ProJect to verify the co4ratibtltty relatcd to griaeJ andelevation3 of theee tro proJectr. 6taff recoDenda that tbe
appl icant also provide.aote sort of rtoiae abateLent reaaures Buchas earth berring inedlately south of propoaed I.E. 212 atlgnrent.staff has received a letter fr ilnIDl rtatlnE tbit tbe
Ihe naJorlty of tbe eite draine aoutbaast Into the retl.nd area.Detention ponds are proposed to be constnrctod in an affort tolaintain the pre-developed nrnoff rate for thc rlte. Staff lsrequesting that the applicant t s engJ.neer revieu the total capacityof these pondlng basins needed to reet the predicted retainingrequirements. Also, the configuration and locatlon of the pond are
such that access to the pond by the clty for laintenance appears tobe very difficult, if not itpossible at aII. Staff ls recouendingthat the applicant provide a plan shoring deslgnated access pointsto these ponding basin areas and verifying that they siU be ableto be eenriced by the city creus yhen neceaaary. Staff has. alsb
asked the applicant to verify tlre location of these ponding areason site since they appear to be very cloae to tbe retland edge anduay in fact intrude ulxrn sone of ttre erieting vetland vegetation.If such is the case,'Etaff yould be recouending tbat the ponding
areas be relocated ao that tbere ie no disturbance to the exlstinguetland area. one Eugge6tion uould be to relocate ttre ponding areato a uore central locatLon such ae betveen the South sul-de-eic andthe J.oop cul-de-sac rbere they can be tore eaaily acceaeed andlaintain lore distance frou the yetland rather than being locatedcoDpletely around the yetland edge. Staff ie aleo regueeting tbatthe- applicant provide inforaation on the eristing drilnagefacilities such aB sulverta to and fror tbe eLte. Spectfically,the culvert under Lytan BoulevarA shich rlll intereect the SouthRoad cul-de-rac and tbe outlet culvert to the uetland.under LkeRiley Road.
Staff anticipates a potential drainage probl.r rlth tbc yeBterly
teuporary cul-de-aac for North noad. t'lrle portlon of tbe artetingBite did not previouely draln olf rlte to tbe uect. thc propoeeiatreet grading plans Bbora thl.s eul-de-eac and tlre adJ aceni fOofeet of [orth Road to not be rcrvicod by .toLr sarcr. StaffrecouendE that this area be revieu€d for .totr B6u.r reryl,ce. Ifaton Eeuer ls not foaEl"ble, aore 3ot*, of lnterh dnlnaqe DroDoarlruat be rubritted tbat facllitatee thir lorar arcr -ndt B.fngaerrriced by ston Be-yer. Staff suggeets ona rlt rnatl.va betng iterporary overland draLnage, vl.a a gralc, to tb€ proposod dlEchEUale to tbe rear ol Lta 1o-1lr Block 1.
Iake Riley HiIIE
John Xl lngelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 7
inprovernents of Ery. 212 and the Eubsequent propoEal for a singlefanily lot eubdivision adJ acent to it uill rcguire .ore forlr ofnoise abatenent. llnDCIC furttrer atated that euch l4rroverenta uouldnot be paid for by XnDol and lre the responstbillty of tbe
appl lcant and,/or Clty.
DRAII{AGE
EROSION CO}TIROL
Ilre planr Bubritted dieplay Tlrl,e III erosion control oVer theentire area bordering tie uetland area. Staff is reconandingadditional eroeion control notth of ilotth Road. As rentionedpreviously, yood fllrer blan*eta ulll be required aE slopestabilization reaEureE for all of the rear lota bordering theyetland area and on all ttre areae rrhere eJ.opea arc 3:1 or gteater.Silt fence erosion control ehould be Lnstalled around any and allpropored detentlon ponds on tle proJect. lmG entl.re Blte should be
reEeeded and rulched imealiately follolng cor;rletion of thegrading operation.
INNDSCAPING
The applicant has shourl on Sbeet 2 of the plans areas ofvegetation. Staff has reguested that the appl icant providedetailed information on the areas of vegetation as to the type oftree and size. :nle City vill require tree reuoval plans for thoselots sith significant vegetation auch as Iots 10-16, Block 3 andthe city riII reguire replacenent for trees yith a callper of { andover (other than speciea of shrub trees auch as box elder).
PARK AND RECREATION
On septerber 25, L99o, the Park and Recreation comLesion revieredthe Iake Riley BiUE project (Attachlent f2). Se Park andRecreation Comission recomenaed that Lts 2L-26, Block 3 be
dedicated as parkland. A6 part of the dedicatl.on, the applicantriIl reconfigure lot 1lnes to allou for a contiguous southerly
border and prepare tle site according to a grading plan provialed bythe City. It uas further recouended that tbe appl lcant conrtruct
a 5 foot vide concrete Eideualk al.ong [orth Xoad and feat Road andprovide a 20 foot yide trail eaaelent along lrlse Riley Boulevardand Lylan Boulevaril. In retutrr for theee regulrerents, tle
appl icant sill reccive a S{1O credlt on park feea per unlt ud :'OOtcredit on trail fees. tte reuainl.Dg S9O of park faea Der unlt rtll
be collacted rB part of the butldlttg perrlt procr.!3. lbe Prrk and
Rec CoDisalon algo stated tbat thc pa.rk and trall rcguirerenta
uere for the parccl aouth of EVy. 212 .nd thrt requlrelents for theparcel north of Bylr. 212 rl11 be rG\rleuGd et thc tlrc lt le.developed.
Ihe Park and Rec CouiasLon hrs not detenincd rblc|h ridc of theatreet tbe eldesalk abould be located anal thl'e slll be deter:rinedby the Bngineering Departr€nt. Aleo, the requlrelent of r 20 footyide trail easeDent along Lke Riley Boulevard and Lyran BoulevardylII not be nece8aary lf the additional rlgbt-of-ray, tB regue3tedby etiff along both Llrran atrd Lke Rlley Bou1evaBil, Ls provlded.
Iake Riley HiUs
John Kl.ingelhutz
october 3, 1990
Page 8
Iake Riley Hills
John KI ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 9
!!tre additional right-of-way requeated by ataff slll also
accoDrodate any trail irproverentE along the roads.
lftre folLosing is a table of the lota and their corpl iance yith theZoning Ordinance.
COXPLIA}ICE TABIJ . rCI SIZBS
are lots uhich do not corply slttr the zoning
ARE.A
(15, OO0)
wrula
(90' )
DEPIE
(125 r )
BIPCK 1Lot 11 26,840 89* 297Lot 12 26,415 89* 297BI'CK 4
Iot 5 16,841 147 113**BI'CK 5
Iot 1 28,704 460 5O*r
* Iot must be adjusted to provide 9Or of lot frontage at the Lotl ine
lhe following
Ordinance
REQUTREUE}ITS
** Iot rust be adjusted to provide 125r lot deptb.
Lot 5, Block 4 only has a depth of 113 feet shicb does not reet tlreordinance reguirenents of a lot depth of 125 feet. Ite lotconfiguration in Block 4 luat be adj ulted to provide Iot 5, Bl.ock4 yith the required 1ot depth. Seveial of tbe-lota do not hive the90 feet of atreet frontage at the lot line but ttrese are locatedalong the outside of a cule and tbe ordinance allme for the 90feet yidth to be provided at the 90 foot eetback. All of the 1otsin question do leet the 90 feet at the 30 foot retback. tot 10,
Plgck 1 is a triangular ehaped tot and ataff La reconendlnq thatthis lot be reconfigur€d €9 provlda four eldea to liJvirit anydifficul.t; ln reeting aetbacha-rhen the butli[ng pcnf€ ft appffdf9T. Iot 1, Block 5, oontar.nr a ZO,7O1 equarl ioot lot f6bateaadJacent to Lke Rllcy. tr rtll be c6vcrcil -ln tUts repo*,,-tutureirprovenenta to r.ke Rirey Bourevard requl.rca 27 fsct o? iairironarrigbt-of-vay on both atd& of tbe atreit. ee addttionai ii reettaken fror rot l, Block 5 eesentlally ratea lt an unbuildabre rotulth less than a 50 foot depti. lterefore, Iot l, Bloct 5 shouldbe deaigmated aa an outlot.
f,ETI.AND ALTERATIOII PEMIT
rhe propoeed slrbdlvlglon contalng a latge craas A uetrilrat locltedin the eoutheaet corner of the slte. - tte uetlaDd fa "i
-hid'
Iake Riley Hills
John Klingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 10
quallty and ia approxLlately 9l acres Ln eize. Tbe Clase A vetlandis also a protected uetland by tlre DilR. Any activity beloy theordinary high rater elevation, rrhich altera the courae, current orcros6 aection of protected raterr or vetland ie under the
Jurisdictlon of the DIIR and ray require I,IIR protected sater penlt.
Ttre appl icant Det on eite rlth the DXR to detelrine tle OEfl, vhichls nor set at 86{.7. Upon eite inspection, Lt yag deterrined thatthere saa a fringe of yetland vegetatl.on beyond the ordinary h19hyater rark at approriuately 856 eLevation. 'lfterefore, the yetland
boundary ahall be deter:nlned aa the 866 eLevation atrd rill beprotected by a draS.nage and utility and consernation eaeelent andalso shom as a iretlandr on tlre final plat.
The applicant is providing a stor:a uater Bedirentation basins toprevent storr sater frou being directed directl.y to the uetland.
This vill prevent sediuentation and vater level bounces ttrat aredetrinental. to the basinrs uildlife values and uater quality. As
mentioned previously, staff is reco. mending that the applicant
stake the extent of the ponding areas on site to verify tlrat theuetland fringe vegetation is not being altered or disturbed by the
proposed ponding areas. Once it is ensured that tlre ponding areas
are not irpacting the retland vegetation, staff ls corfortable uiththe subdivision in tbat the proposal uill not be lrpacting the
uetland and will actually be resulting Ln eole irproveeent once tlregravel driveuay dividing the retland in tyo ia re[oved.
Ttre applicarit has adJ usted the lot areas adJ acent to ttre uetland
sLnce the origlnal aubDittal to provide for ttre 75 foot uetlandsetback. lEhe naj orlty of tbe lots adJ acent to the setland doprovide adequate area for a aingle falily reaLdence and an attached
deck or porch. Iots 34 and 35, Block 3 and poasibly Iot 36, Block
3 yiII not have adequate rooD for a houae and a deck. lB done vlthprevious suHivisions ritlr retlands, Etaff vill recouend a
condition that the appl lcant, as part of tbe develop.ent contract,
record restrictions againet each lot rtatlnE that there i3 a 75foot eetback froD tlre yetl,atrd clevation of 866 contour and tlratthiB elevatlon shall be ahtrtr on all lot Burvey8 6en e buildlngperait ie eubritted. If porch or patlo doore are proviil€d on ttre
house pIans, tbe lot Eurv€y slll .hory ho a deck can roet tbe
raquired uetland eetback. lbe propoeed pondtng ereas adJ acent totbe vetland si]']' be 8hallou ditches rfitctr rl11 rcat ll.k Iy take ona retland quauty ulth retlalrd vegetatton. llbcralor., rtaff Ls
recourendlng that ln aaldutlon to the dralnage ea3€.ont tbat rlU be
covering tlre ponding arcae, a coneernratlon eaeenent ba locatad o\rertbe pondlng areas alrd vetlatrd to cngurc that thc areas are not
altered.
RECOUI,IENDATTO}{ - PRELII,IIIIARY PIAT
Iake Ritey Eills
John Xl ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 11
Staff recomends therotion:Planning Connigsion adopt the follouing
rThe Planning Couisslon reconende approval of Prelirlnary plat
190-10 for Lke Riley EiUs a8 ahoyn oD the plan8 dated Septeuler{, 1990, uitb a variance to penit a 2,aO foot offeet betrien theintersection of South Road and Lyr.n Boulevard, uith tbe follouingconditions:
1. Revised the prelirlnary plat to provide tle follovlng:
Lt 5, Block 4 shall have a depth of at leaet 125 feet.
Lt 10, Block 1, shall have four sides.
Iots 11 and 1.2, Block 1 ahall have lot frontages of 90feet.
2.
5.
d. Iot 5, Block 4 Bhal1 have a lot depth of 125 feet.
ftle right-of-uay dLaensions for Xorti Road and Weat Road ahallbe 50 feet ln ridth and tbe right-of-uay direneions for thecul-de-sac shall be a 60 radiua. fre applicant ahall grant a50 foot yide right-of-ray for Lyran Boulevard along thesouthern border of the plat and a 120 foot vLde rlght-ot-rayalong lake Riley Boulevard. lfhe terporary cul-dle-sacs oilorth Road shall be barricaded and sigmed de-ignating tbeD tobe tenporary in lieu of future road extensions and yiU beprovided sith easenents o\rer the cul-de-Eacs beyond thededicated right-of-yay.
The applicant shall retlove the gravel road bl.eectlng ttre ClassI uetland into 2 setland area3 coordinated vltl e-ity etaff,Departuent of Xatural Reaourcea, Corlrs of BngLneera ana fieirand Wildlife SernLce.
-Final plat approvaL sill not be grrantcd until tic applicanthas subritted the tetter of crcdit for the feaetblfll| etudyto be perfoned and not until tbc flnillnga of the liaefbl6atudy are knorn and tnc Clty Councll takes -approprr.at. actlonto prorrlde nrniclpal sater eepl.c. to the tiC,e. -
t!:he appl lcant thall eubrlt flfl calcrrlatl-ons for ttrc rultrryBerer - !-yrt€L to vcrlfy pl.pc cap.clty end rl.nlnn rcor3velocltieg through all theLeyer aegnerr€r rithln tI" t.p";Aeubdivlslon.
The appl lcant shall provide the folloritrg eaaeLentr:
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b
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3
6
{.
9.
Easeuent over the tenporary gul.de-sacs.
Easenentr over all sanitary and atolr aeuer exteneions.
Easerenta over detentlon ponde.
d. Standard drainage and utility eaaeDenta.e. dedication of all rigbt-of-uaye.
lltre applicant I s engineer revies the total capacity of theponding basins needed to reet tbe predicted retainJ.ng
requireuents and verlfication that the proposed ponding areascan be accessed for city raintenance. Provide eristingdrainage facility infor:nation to and froD the eite(specifically, the culvert under Lynan Boulevard). The alorn
drainage plan shall be nodified to incorporate runoff from thewesterly tenporary cul-de-6ac on North Road.
Iots 30-35, Block 3 and Lt 4-8, Block 3, ahaI1 be providedwith special slope stabilization Dethods such as yood fiberblankets and r}te III eroaion control. Tylre III erosioncontrol shaI1 be provlded over the entire area bordering the
wetland and along the north aide of lforth Road. flood fiberblankets shall be requlred as Blolre stabllization for all of
the rear lots bordering the retland area and on all the areas
uhere the slopes are 3:1 or gireater. Silt fence erosLoncontrol 6hall be installed around any and a1). proposed
detention ponds on the proJ ect and the entLre site ahall be
seeded and nulched imediately follouing coupletLon of thegrading operation.
The appl icant ahall provlde current planned right-of-uay grade
and elevation information for the future Triunl< nlghuay 212
IDproveDents for the seglent of roadeay through thiseubdivision. Noise abatesent reasures Euch aa earth berringshall be ehoyn on the plan along the aouthern border of ttre
Evy. 212 corridor.
The applicant shall prorride a tree reroval plan rlth rletalletlinforration on tbe eLze and tylre of treea belng relovd andylth a landscaped plrn provl.ded for the replaceDent of over {
cali.per lnch betng reloved.
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I
10. The appl lcant r6cel.ye faterBlred Dl3trlct, Eoltutlon control
Agency rnd Eealth Departrent and any otber appllclblo agencieaor 1rcErlt3.
11. lte applicant I s englneer ahall rale the necessaraT chaDges rB
outl ined on thc plan Bheet3 revifr€d b!, t.he As3t. city
Bngineer dated Septerber 2a. L99O, and subnttteat back to theapplicant for the proper c.hangc8.
Lake Riley Eills
John Kl ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 12
a
b
c
15.Iot 5, Block 1,unbuildable.shall be designated aa an outlot and
RECO}II,IENDATTOI . IIETI,AI{D ALTERAIIOII PERI'IIT
In sulnary, the proposal yill not be negatively ilpacting tbe ClassA uetland located on the site, and in fact, tf tne €xilttng alirtdriveray-bisecting the setland into 2 ie renoved, it uiU acf,uallyultiroately inprove the retland. fherefore, staif ia recouendinithat tbe Plannlng comission adopt tlre folloulng Dotlon:
,Ih" Planning
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ConnissLon reconnends approval of a retlandalteration pernit for Iake Rlley Bi1ts s-ubdivielon as shoun onp.lans dated SepteDber 4, 1990, rlth the folloring conditions:
1. The applicant Bhall provide a drainage, utillty and aconeerrration eaae[ent over Outlot C and the propoeed ponclJ.ngareas and that the 866 contour shall be the-cdge -ot tUiprotected uetland.
lny rurirreys for lota adj acent to the ClaBs A yetland yitlprovlde the 866 elevation yith verificatlon that the hore andany further hprovelents euch aa porcbea or decl<s vi1llaintain the 75 foot aetback fror thC 866 contour.
A developrent contract ulll be rccorded aEalnrt thc propertyand uLll protect bottr tbe CIaBB A retlanct and tne- ooirainiareas adJ acant to the uetland rltb I consenratl.on eacs&nt aninot allou any alteratl.on to theae arear. r
2
3
Lake Riley Hi11s
John Klingelhutz
October 3, 199 0
Page 13
12. The applicant shall provide a registered engineerts report onsoils, footings and structural deslgm and certification of aregistered engineer verifying tbat tbe gEacting and drainage
has been conetructed according to the approved plans prior tothe issuance of building penits.
13. The applicant shall dedicate Lot s 2L-26, Block 3 for park landdedication and shall constnrct a 5 foot vide concrete eldeualkalong the southern boulevard area of North Road and along theeastern boulevard area of Weat Road.
14. The applicant shall enter into a developnent contract rith thecity and provide the necessary financial securities associatedwith the project.
Iake Riley BiIIB
John xl ingelhutz
October 3, 1990
Page 14
ATTACHT'tENTS
HeDo froD Charles Folch dated septerber 25, 1990.
I'IeDo froD Todd Hofflan Aated Septerber 26, L99o.I€tter froD Dl{R dated Augiuat 8, 1990.I€tter frotr XnDOlf dated Auguat 31, 1990.
lleuo frol Xark Littfin dated Jul.y 11, 1990.
I'IeDo froE Steve Kirchran dated July 9, 1990.I€tter to Engelhardt and Arsociates dated Augu3t 17, 1990.
Appl icatlon
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CH[I{H[ESEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
T{EIIioRANDUIIT
TO: Jo Ann Olsen, Senior planner
PROM: Charles Folch, Asaiatant City EDgineer
DArE: Septenber 25, I99O
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SUBJ: Prelininary PIat and Site plan Review for
Lake Riley Eills SubdivisionFile No. 90-27 Land Use Review
This site eDcompasses a total of 78.24 acres of land north of
Lynan
Sec tio
terra i
area 1land i
Grad i nq
The plan
the site
exiBtingfhe stee
areaa ofstabili z
eros i on
Bou
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ocasa
levard in tbe west half of the northeast quarter of4. This parcel of land i6 characterized by a rollingrandourly spersed Etands of trees and a large setlandted in the southeast @rner. The preaent uee of thisgricultural with field graEses and some row cropa.
The current zoning for this prrcel is tixed 1ow-densityresiilential and single-fani1y. The progosed zoning rould be acomposite of single-family residential tor the souiherntwo-thirds of the property and high-denslty residential for thenorthern one-third. A large strip of laad located through thenorthern half of the 6ite has been designrted aE a corridor forthe future Trunk Highray 212 improveBent project. Thepreliminary plat aubmitted propoEes to pltt the eoutherntwo-thirds of the site as residential eingle-family lots yiththe northern portion, ln and aronnd the ?runk Eighiay 212corridor, treing glettcd a. aD ootlot, -_
subnittedl proposes to Eaadd * touthern trc-thirds of. The grading scheDe ie propoeeit to be ainilar to thatwhich dlains prinarily tolthea8t into the uetland area.peat resulting slopes rill be found on the rear yardthe lotB eurrounding the retlaDd area. Special slopeation methods such ai rood-fiber blanieta ind fype rifcontrol sill be required in these areaa.
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Jo Ann Olsen
September 25, 19 90
Page 2
In reviewing the grading plan, one najor area of concern hasarisen. This concern relates to the interfacing of this
development with the propoaed future Trunk Eighray 212 highrayimprovement. The applicant yaa requeEted to obtain and provideinforuation fron UnDOT detailing the current rlght-of-ray andplan elevatione for thi8 correspondiDg aegBent of future roaduay.This infornation has not been subnitted to datei horever, Bomeslope grading is shown on the p1an. Staff atreeaea the need forthe applicant to eubmit the requested infornation on the future
Trunk Highuay 2L2 project to verify the congatibility of thesetwo projects related to right-of-ray, gradeE and elevations.Staff recomends that the applicant also provide s@e sort ofnoise abatement EeasureE such as earth berning i[rnedliately southof the proposed Trunk Eighway 2LZ alignment.
The propelty 1yin9 north of the Trunk Eighway 212 corridor, as
mentioned previously, will be platted as an outlot and proposedfor future high-density residential zoning. No grading isproposed in this area at this tine. A complete site pl.an reviewof this area will be made when a future proposat is subnitted.
Pra i nage
As mentioned previously, the Bajority of the exieting site andthe proposed site drains southeast into the eetland area. Aprelininary storm sewer plan has been eubnitted for thissubdivision. A review has been nade and the corresponding detail
conments and corrections have been outlined on a plan set to bereturned to the applicantrs engineer for revisions. Storn aewercalculations anil runoff rate requirements bave also been
Eubmitted for review. Bhe applicant rilI alao oeed to eubnitthese grading plans and drainage infornation to the natershedDi8trict for revier and approval .
Detention ponds are proposetl to be conatructed in an effort tonaintain the predeveloped runoff rate for the eite. Fronprelininary review, etaff ie requeatiag tbe applicant's engineerto revier tbe total capacity of these E ondling baains Deeded toneet the predicted retaioage requireDeDta. Another veryinportant area of coacern related to the deteotion ponds involvesacquiring acce8s to these pontls aod their correspoading outletstructures for laintenance purpo8ea. Staff recomeDdB that theapplicant provide a plan ahoriDg designated accesa poiDt3 to
these ponding baain areaa .
Staff also requeata that the applicant providle iofornatlon onexisting drainage facllltles auch as culverte to and fr@ tbeaite. Speclfically, the culvert under Lltran Boulevaral rtrich rillintersect with the South Road culde-aac and tbe outlet culvertfor the wetland area under Lake Riley Road.
Jo Ann Olsen
Septenber 25, 19 90
Page 3
Staff anticipates a potential drainage problen with the westerly
temporary cul-de-sac for North Road. This portion of theexisting site did not previously drain off-Eite to the west. Theproposed street grading plan shors this cul-de-aac and theadjacent resterly 100 feet of North Road to not be serviced byatorn sexer. Staff recoomends that this area be reviened forstorm sewer service. If storm serer ia not feasible, go![e aortof interim drainage proposal Dust be Eubnitted that facilitatesthis lower area not being serviced by atoru aerer. Staffsuggests one alternative being a temporary overland drainage, viaa swa1e, to the proposed ditch swale through the rear lots ofLots 10 through 14 of Block 1.
Erosion Control
The plans submitted display Type III erosion control over theentire area borclering the wetland area. Staff is recornrnendingthe addition of erosion control on the easterly end of the sitenorth of North Road and on the westerly end of the site north ofNorth Road. As nentioned previously, woodl-fiber blankets will bereguiretl as a slope stabilization measure for aII of the rearIots bordering the wetland area and on all the areas shere slopesare 3:1 o! greater. Silt fence erosion control should beinstalled around any and all proposed detention ponds on theproject. The entire site shoulil be re-seeded and mulchedimmediately fotlowing the completion of the grading operation.
Str eets
All of the streets within this proposed suMivision have aright-of-way scale dimension of 50 feet. Staff reconmends tbatright-of-way for North Road and Ttest Road be increased to 60 feetas they are anticipated to function as collector streeta in thefuture. This sidth will also facilitate the installation of thereguired siclewalk. The dinensions for all streets 8ha11 be notedon the plat to confirm this. The right-of-ray for thecul-de-sacs 6ca1e to be approrinately so-foot radiuses. Staffnotes that the current radiua of right-of-eay for an urbancul-de-sac is to be 60 feet and that the applicant 8hall Dakethis appropriate change.
A revier of the atreet plan has beea per forned and correspoodiDgdetail reconneodations have beea noted on tbe plan eet to- bereturned to the applicaat.e eagineer for revision. Street ridtbson the plans are ahorn to be 32 feet face-of-curb toface-of-curb. fhis is eguivalent to tbe City Btandard of 35 feetback-of-curb to back-of-eurb for an urban collector atreet.lfhile this gtandard is applicable to North Road and rest Road,the applicant ahould be adviaed that the fJoop Road, South Roadand Bouth cu1-de-aac Eay be reduced in ridth to 3l feetback-of-curb to back-of-curb.
Jo Ann Olsen
september 25, L990
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staff would also like to note that the intergection of south Road
and Eest Road will have to be shifted approximately 60 feet to
the north. The centerline for south Roadl is located
approximately 240 feet north of Lyroan Boulevard. City Ordinance
requires that the minimum centerline offset tlistance betueen
intersections be 300 feet.
Initially, the only accesE to the Eite rill be via Lynan
Boulevard. Then future developu.ent occura around this Bite, itis anticipated that North Road rill be ertended bpth to the east
and to the west and provide additional access points to thissuMivision. As meDtioned previoualy, temporary cul-de-saca rill
be installecl at the current linits to North Road. Staff also
reconnends that barricades be installed at the ends of these
cul-de-sacs and that they be signed designating then to be
temporary pending future road extensions.
The portion of the property north of the Trunk Eighway 212
corridor to be platted at this time as an outlot will have future
access flon Tigua Lane.
There currently exists a private driveway along the easterly
boundary of this subdivision which services a farmhouse locatedin the northeast corner of the site. fhis driveray uas
constructed via a dike whieh bisects the setland area. It is
anticipated that the proposed Trunk Eighway 2L2 improvement ril1
requi.re the removal of this farmhouse. In an effort to reunite
the two wettand aleas on either side of this private driveuay,
staff is recomending that the applicant PurEue the Possibilityof renoving this driveeay and dike barrier by contacting and
coordinating with the DepartDent of Natural Resourcea. A
temporary access to this farnhouse could be acquired along the
property line between Ipt 14 and Lot 13 of Block 2 until Euchtine that the Trunk Eighway 212 inprovenent project remove s these
structu!es.
Utilities
A review hasBuhitted in
present tine,council, at tfeasibility o
been made of tbe aanitary seYer and rateruain plans
conjunctioa ritb the Proposed subdiviaioa. At the
a feaaibility study haa been authorited by the City
he reguest of the applicant, to detet'[iDe thef aervicing tbis are! rith uatet'nain and aanitary
serer. A coRditioD of tbis autbori:atioD uaa for tbe applicantto eubrit to tbe City a $10,000 letter of credlt or caah eacrorto guarantee paiment of erpenses asgoclated rith this study (8ee
attachDent ) .
This security has not beeD received to date aDd aa a reault the
Btudy has not been lnitiated. Until the reaulta of thlE study
are known, it will be inapgropriate to aake any fiaal approval of
the subdiviaion propoaal .
Jo Ann Olsen
Septenber 25, 19 90
Page 5
Staff reconmends that the applicantrs engineer submit the flowcalculat'ions for the aanitary Beser ayateD to verify pipe
capacity and minimum acore velocities through all the sewer
aegaents rithin this proposed eubdivision. Staff is alao
recomending that the agplicant'e engineer verify that theeristing lift Btation and l-inch forcenain aeeer to facilitatethis subdivision ie adequate in size and capacity. It Bhould be
Doted that the entire developnent is propoaed to be servicedthrough gravity aeeeri horever, the connection point for thiE
aystem sill be in the vicinity of Llzuan Eou1evard and Lake Riley
Road iunediateLy upstream fro an eristing lift station andl-inch forcemain.
The applicant will be required to iostall a 5-foot ride concretesidewalk along the boulevard area on tbe south side of theproposed North Road and east side of ne8t Road. Ihe revised plansubnittal should include this infornation.
Easements
All of the sanitary seeerIot areas of the site uillutility easements and ehalproposed iletention ponds arequire pertinent easement
cul-dle-sacs at both
easements to cover tright-of-way and Bhaextensions are const
and storE serer extenaions through therequire the reapective drainage and1 be denoted as auch on the plat. The
ncl corresponding acceaa yaye rills. Staff a18o note8 tbat the tenporaryf North Roadl rill reguire tenporarytions outside of the plattedBt uDtil auch tine that the road
and cul-de-aace removed.
In courparing the proposed plat aubnitted rith the Countyhalf-sectiona, staff is unable to deternine whether a 33-footride segnent of land along the north half of Llznan Boulevard hasbeen previously acquired as right-of-ray or acquired by easenent.Nevertheless, preliminary reaults contalned ln the Bastern CarverCounty Tran8portation Study ( excerpts attachcd ) Iroint to trafficvolumes in exceaa of ?,100 ADI for thla roadray. ft8characteriatics rank it aa a Einor arterial, Clasa II vhich rillrequire a 120-foot right-of-ray (50 feet on erch tlde ofcenterline). It is tbeEefore Deeeaaary that a 60-foot rideright-of-ray be granted along the routbern border of tbe propoaedpIat. This ridth rould alao allor incorporation of the futureLrail along Lyaan Boulevartl.
The aforenentioned tranaportation atudy deaignated tbe segDeDtof Lake Riley BouLevard north of Lyuan Boulevard aE alao i uiaorarterial, Class II roaduay. Therefore, a l20-foot rideright-of-way uill algo be required for thls road segnent. Etiesidth would incorporate the future trail. thua, a aeparate trail
easement uould not be neceesary.
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Jo Anh Olsen
September 25, 199 0
Page 6
As rentioned previously, a temporary dliveray easement eiIl needto be acquired between rots 13 andl lt! of Block 2 in order to
grovide a temporary access for the existing farnhouse.
RecoEnendeal Conditions
I Further processing of this application cannot be nade until
the findlings of the feasibility atudy are known and the City
Council takes appropriate action to provide municipal rater
service to the site.
The applicant shall provide current plan right-of-way, grade
and elevation infornation for the future Trunk Eighray 2L2
improvenent for the aegment of roadray through thissubdivision. Noise abateEent Deasurea guch as earth berBing
shal1 be shown on the plan along the aouthefn border of the
corr idor .
The applicant shall provide existing drainage facility
information to and frour the site (epecifically the culvert
under Ll.man Boulevard).
fhe applicant's engineer ehall verify the capacity of the
proposed detention ponds and shall provicle adequate acceas to
these ponds for maintenance purpoaes.
The storm ctrainage plan aha1l be mottifiedl to incorporate therunoff from the westerly temporary cul-de-aac on North Road.
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The applicant shall subnit theae plans to the HatershedDistrict, PCA and Eealth Department for revier and approval .
The applicant's engineer shall DAke the necea3ary changea as
outlinecl on the remitted plan eheeta reviered dated Septenber
21 , L990
8. The applicant shall grovide a registered engiaeerra rePort oneoils, footings and atruetural deeign aad certification of a
registered engineer verifyiDg that the gradiag aad drainage
has been cooatructed accordiag to tbe agprovedl plana prior to
the iaeuance of building perulta.
9. noodt-fiber blaDketa end ttDe III eroaioa coDtrol rill be
reguired for Blope gtabilization of all the rear lote
bordering the retland area and on all other areas Yhere
8lopes are 3:I or greater.
10. The right-of-vay dlinensioa for North Road and rest Road
be 60 feet in ridth and the rlgbt-of-ray diueneion for
cul-de-aacs shall be a 60-foot radiua.
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ilo Ann Olsen
Septenber 25, 199 0
Page 7
11 . The tenporary cul-de-sacs on North
and signeil designating then to be
road extensions.
Road shall be barricaded
teoporary in lieu of future
12. The applicant shall grant a 60-foot ride right-of-ray for
Llman Boulevard along the aouthern border of the plat and a120-foot wide right-of-way aloDg Lke Riley Boulevard.
13. The applicant shall contact the llinnesota Department ofNatural Reaources to investigate the poasibility of reoovingthe private driveway dike along the eaatern borderline of theplat.
Lil . The applicant sha1l construct eidewalk along the southern
boulevard area of l{orth Road and along the eastern boulevardarea of West Road.
15. The applicant shall provide the neceasary drainage andutility easeBents for the proposed atorD aeyer, sanitarysewer, detention pond and accesa areas rithin the p1at.
16. The applicant shall enter into a developrnent contract uiththe City and provide the necessary financial securitiesassociated with the project.
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Attachmen ts
Letter to John Klingelhutz dateal August 9, 1990.
Excerpt8 from Eastern Carver County Tranaportation Study.
Gary $larren r City Engineer
Dave Eempel , Sr. Engineering lechnician
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690 COULTER DRtvE. p.O. BOX trlT o 911ltt11119s8N, UTNNESOTA SS317
(612) 937-1900. FAx (612) 937.5739
August 9, 1990
llr. John Xlingelhutz
350 Eighway 212 E stP.O. Box 89
Chask., HN 55318
Re: Feasibility Study for t{aternain ExtenaionProject No. 90 -10
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Dear ur. trlingelhutz:
?his letter is in follo-up t9 the City Couhcll actioD of aruly23, 1990 wherein they .ccepted your rciucst for e fcatibiliiystudly to evaluate ratcmaio cxtlaeion to your property located inthe Dortheast guarte! of Sectioo 2l aear Hfc iffiy. 'nta---feasibility study uas also directed to cvaluatc il3 q[Jnrion oflanitary geuer gervice to tbis area. city councii conaittoneathei! approval upon receipt of a 9101000 Lettcr of crcdit oi ca:f,e?g:o!. froD you to guaraDtce pay&eDt of tbe erpen.a. rtcociitedvith this study.
In discussion rith Mr. Bill EDgclhardt, Gbl. hr3 vesbally bccncomrunicatedl to you carlicr but t thought t rculil cocrucit iauliring that this rtudy rtu aot be tDttt.tGat uatlt rucb tlnc ecthe.City receives thc flaancial tccurlty rr rcgulred. f roufarDticipate thc Etudy rould tekc fro fo-ur to rir nctr to UccoEglrted 30 you lry yrnt to f.ctoa tbl. lato your rchcdutc.
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TO: JoAnn OlseD, Senior Planner
FROIi: Todd Eoffnan, Recreation Supervisor
DATE: September 26, L990
SUBJ: Lake Riley Eills Project
690 COULTER DRIVE . P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (512) 937-s739
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Park and trail needs in the Lake Riley EiIIs Addition werediscussed at the September 25, 1990 Park and Recreation Com-mission meeting. ur. John KIingelhutz, the applicant for thisp1at, t as present at this meetiEg. Upon conclusion of theirdiscussion the Conmission took the following action.
Corunissioner ttady moved, Courissioner Robinson secondedto require Lots 21, 22, 23.24, 25 and 26, Block 3, parcel
2 be dedicated as park land. As part of the dtedication,
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recommended that the applicant construct a 5 ft
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idleconcrete sidewalk along North Road and lest Road and proviilea 20 ft. wide trail easement along Lake Riley Road and LynanBoulevard. fn return for these requirerents the applicantwill receive a ${10.00 credit oD park fecs per uniL-and a100t credit on trail fees. .!he renalnlng S90.OO of the parkfee per ualt riI1 be colle6tdt r! ?erts oi th. boildirs plrnitprocess. All voted in favor and the notion carried.
I have attached a copy of tn3 report preseDt d €i'tt. Conmissionfor this item. Your assistance in fee.lng that the wishes of thePark and Recreation Connission ire fulfilled is appreciated.Lastly, it is inportant for allptrties involved Lo realize thatthese park and trail requirenenb are for parcel 2 on1y.Requirenents for Parcel 1 eould be addressed at the tiie it isdeveloped .
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Park and Recreation CoronissionSeptenber 25, L99O
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RECO!{XE NDAT ION
rn conversations with both ur. Klingerhutz and Engelhardt andAssociates, the topic of sidewalks arong North Road and t{est Roadwas discussed. ft is apparent that pedestrian rralkways in theselocations would prove beneficial. uait xoegler also ne-ntioned theneed for sidewalks along these routes uhLn reviewing this newlocation for the proposed park.
Progress in soli.difying negotiations to neet the recreational needscreated by this developrnent is significant. city code arlous fora requirenent of 2.70 acres of r. an-d be dedicatea ior pari trip"=..in the devel.opment of parcer rr. parcer r Lrirr be co'nsioereaseparately in the event of future developnent. Lots 2I , 22, 23 124t 25 and 26 consist of 2.26 acres whiih represents git or tnerequirement. Therefore. it is reconnended that the park andRecreation Comnission require Lots 21 | 22,23t 24,25 and 26, Block3, Parcel II be dedicated as park land. e= part oi tti=1:!i::!i"1, rhe appr-icant. wiLL piepare the sire "6""iai"l t" "gracllng plan provided by the city. rn return for this dedic-ation,the applicant wiII receive a Snio.oo credit on park fees ioi eacirl:!:-.1!" rema.i.ning seo-oo per 1ot to be coLlectea ai li.i-"r tr,"Du.LJ.crlng pernit process. rt is further reconnendei that theappricant construct a 5 ft. ruide concrete sidewalk aiong No-r{h noaaand west Road in lieu of trail fees.
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STATE OFh0trs@TA
DEPARTTENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES
I'IETRO REGION IIATERS - 12OO I'AR}IER ROAD, ST. PAUL, I,I}I 55106
PiloxE xo. 296-75?3 FtLE llo.
August 8, 1990
l{s. JoAnn 0l sen
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive Box 147
Chanhassen, ltN 55317
Dear l,ls , 0l sen :
RE: LAKE RILEY HILLS, LAXE RILEY (r0-2P), CITY 0F CHAIIHASSEN,
CARVER COUI{TY
lle have reviered the site plans (received aluly 9, 1990) for the
above-referenced project (llt ilEL, Section 24, Tomship 116 North,
Range 23 l{est) and have the fol'lowing coments to offer:
1) Protected wetland 10-213tJ (shown as outlot B) is on the
proposed site. Any activity below the ordinary hlgh water
elevation (0HU), vtrich alters the course, current, or
cross-section of protected raters or ret]ands, is under thejurisdiction of the DilR and Eay require a Dl{R protected raterspermit. llo official OHll has been established for retland
10-2131d. Please contact this office if there ls any question
about whether proposed activlties uill be rithin protected
wetland 10-213t{ and ve can make affangements to estinate or
officla]ly determine, lf necessary, the oHl{.
2l DNR protected uetland 10-2131, should be labeled as such in
future plans or plats and the oHI, if aval]able, shou'ld be
noted .
3) The project ls vlthin the shoreland dlstrlct of Lake Rlley
(10-2P), vhich is classlfied as recreatlonal devel opoent. The
City should ensure that the proiect is conslstent rith the
local shoreland Eanagemnt ordlnance. It does appear that the
minluuu lot slzes are tret ln the proposed plan.
4) There should be some type of easerent, covenant or deed
restrlctlon for the propertles adJacent to the retl and arels.
This rould help to ensure that property omers rre arare that
the DIR rnd the Corps of Englneers have iurlsdlct{on over the
area and that the retl ands cannot be al tered vithout
approprlate permits.
RECEIVE
AUGl0 1990
alTYof ollNHrsEB
,9to
AX EOUAL OPPONTUTITY ETPLOYEN
5) It appears that the stor'l ater is being routed dlrectly toyetland 10-21311. Stomrater sedinentation/treatmnt basins,or other appropriate stormrater treatmnt features, should be
included in the plan. If stomrater is routed dlrectty to the
retland it can cause sedioentation and rater leve'l bounces thatare detrimental to the basln's rildl ife values and rater
qual ity.
6) If construction involves deuatering in excess of 10,000 gallons
per day or I mill ion gallons per year, the contractor will needto obtain a Dl{R appropriation permlt. You are advised that ittypically takes approxiDately 60 days to process the permit
appl ication.
7) Appropriate erosion control measures should be taken during the
construction period. The llinnesota Constructlon Site Erosion
and SedinBnt Controi Planning Handbook (Board of llater & Soil
Resources and Association of l,letropol itan Soi'l and later
Conservation Districts) guldelines, or their equlvalent, should
be folIowed.
Thank you for the opportunity to coErent. Please contact me at
?96-7 523 should you have any questions regarding these coments.
Sincerely,
C-l Ar**
Ceil Strauss
Area Hydrol ogist
C280:kap
cc: B. 0bermeyer, Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek ISD
Ietland l0-213I file
JoAnn 0lsen
August 8, 1990
Page Two
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St. Peul, Ilnn .ot! 55155
Oakdale Office, 3485 Hadley Avenue North, Oakdale, Minnesoa 55128
Golden Valley Officr, 2055 North Lilac Drive, Golden Valley, Minnesota 55{22
August 31, 1990 Reply to
Tdephone No.593-8523
Ms. Jo Ann Olsen, Ssnior Phnnar
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive, P.O. Box 147
Chanhassen, Minnesota 5531 7
C.S. 1017 (NewTH 212)
l-ake Riley Hills, Preliminary Plat
Dear Ms. Olsen:
Ws are in receipt of the above relerenced plat h our r6vi6w in accordance with
Minnesota Statutes 505.02 and 505.03 Plats and Surveys. Wo find the plat acceptable
for further development with consideration of the lollowing comments:
We request the developer to dedicate acoess control along the proposed
CSAH 212 conidor prior to approval of th€ final plat.
Residential development is a vory sensilive lard uss. FrrtJre noiso lovels
are expscted to violata state standards. Tho Minn€s@ Polldion Control
Agency will most likely require flaf nois€ abdsmsnt be constructed to
mitigate noise poldion fiorn TH 212. Ttto City and developer stpuld be
aware that Mn/DOT will not pro\,ida ncise abaternent br new d€velopment
adjacent to corridorrthat have been fficially rIlapp8d. We belie\re fie Crty
and develop€r should phn to protida nciss abatemsnt along Tll 212 for this
development.
The proposed letting date tor TH 212 h this area b fiall cf 1S.
This de\rebprnsnt impacts DNR ws{8nds. DNR, Corps cil Engin€€r and
Ril€y-turgdory-Blufr Cresk Watorchod D*mict p€rrrits wil be reqtdrcd.
lf you harc any qrestbns h regard b our roviaw d tre pld please cal me.
Sincerely,
StarE lG€fu, Meto @uncil
Rog€rcrl$Gtr\ Ca\terCo.(;0,*oc:
Rick Dalton, P.E.
Project Manager
TANNTS(,IAts
RECEIVED
sEP 0 4 1990
CITY OF CHANHASSEN
AnEqud Opnnityearfuya
cHff{H[SEEt{
I{ EMORAN DI,.IM
TO:
FROT{:
DATE :
SUBJ:
1) The
a.
b.
c.
Jo Ann OIsen, Seaior Plrntter
llar k Littfin' Fire arshal
July 11, 1990
90-1 S.U.B. John Klingelhutz Division
Fire Departoent needs thc foI Ioring infomation:
Fire Hydrants shorn rith 300' spacinE
Ci ty approved street nares
Through streets rith relation to West 86th Street.
CITY OF
690 COULTER DRIVE. PO. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
HEMORANDUU
690 COULTER DRTVE . P.O. BOX 147 o o;1111119SEN, MTNNESOTA s5317
(612) 937-19m. FAX (612) 937.5739
CITY OF
cHff{H[SSE[r
,(gro
l) Official copy ol Gnading Plen shosing proposed contours,
house padsq and peruitted type of house lust be subnltted to
Inspections Departoent prior to issuance of any building
permi ts.
2) Earthvork observation reports and corpaction reports rust be
subritted lor each lot rhcre epplicable. Reports should shou
location and depth of ercavationc, soils encountered' depth
end type of lill, reathcr and sitG conditions, nurber and
results of corpaction tests, cnd conclusions and reconendations
of geotechnical engincer. These rcports rust be sub.itted to
the Inspections Departnent prior to issuence ol any buildins
perEi ts.
Jo Ann Olsenr Senior Planner
Steve A. Kirchran, Building Ollicial
JuIy 9, 1990
TO:
FROM:
DATE :
SUBJ:Planning Case 90-10 SUB (Lake Riley Hills)
CITY OF
cHff{HflSSEN
690 COULTER DRTVE . pO. Box 147 0 6111\11113SEN, MTNNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-19tD. FAX (612) 937-5739
Auguat 17, 1990
l{r. Owen Carlaon
Engelhardt and A3sociatea
1107 Hazeltine Boulevard
Chaska, Ul{ 55318
Dear Osen:
The Planning and Bngineering strff have rade a reviey of theanended plans for r.ake Riley 8i1L. prevlously, ataff EubDlttedcotrDents on the first draft requirlDg additional infomation. rtrefollowing is a list of iteras rhlctr rtltt need to be provided beforea conplete plan reveir can be condusted:
1. The ordinary high rater rark of the u€tLand rust bedeternined. ftre D}IR can uork rith you to dctenine the oHwt{.
2 Soil boring infonation ie etill aequir.d.
Erosion control should be shora "i ryn" III, not T1rpe I..:
fenporlry cul-de-sacs should be ah;m on all atr.et cnaE.,.stot uat€r calculations_ vcrllying cu;face rater dlscharge laretained to prcdevelop.af t ta -lor- r.OO year, 2{ bour sto;!.
3.
4
5.
6.Tie tho
8.
rlte lnto Bl ghrry 2L2
7 'ltte Flro Departrent tho follo
a. Flro hydrant8 Bhfin OO foot rpaclnE.
b. Clty alrproved Btre.t
on:
c.ltrough atrceta vl tb rclatl.on to f..t S6th Stt..t.
Need record Lnforratlon on all ortatlng ctty uttlltl.cs thatare propoced to be connectad to.
Provlde Lnfonatlon on all oxlttlng dralnagc taclllties and9.
l{r. Ouen Carlaon
August 17, 1990
Page 2
sulverta on and i'"",ediately adJacent to the alte.
10. Provide tree renoval plan clctalling rbat tylre and size oftrees rhlcb 1111 be re!oy.d. ,llbere ie a rtand bf treee aroundthe eouth and southeaet ride of the retland yhlch need to beincluded.
General couents:
Sincerely,
JrAa"=' Cknux
1. Ihe 3lop.8 around the ponillng ar.a8 and uotland are verfi steepand ylll require rlopc rtablllzatlon lncluillng vood- ftbeiblanket. Staff feels thc rlope 1a too 3t..p and lot3 are tooclose to the uetland rcaultlng ln back yarda rhlc,h cannot beu?gl by the houeosner. For oralple, LtB 34 and 35, Block 3,yill not be pernitted decke due to tbe yetland setback.
2. The propoaed ponding area3 do not provlde tbo City acce3Bpoints for Da intenance. Coubining the pondllng area-s into aDore central acceeeible rl.te llght be prefctrcd.
Please subnit roviaed plans vltb- the -above inforlation anat the Clty1111 then proceed uith the appllcatlon.
iro Ann Olaen
Senior Planner
Charles Eolcht83lBt.nt Ci,ty Engineer
Cfll O, C'rurtlASEaro @E!,!Er DIrVtcfllElSSlr, E 55317(4121 t!?-troo
DIT-lT'PlllrlE ITMIET IPPIJIqITTO:I
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'PrelLrlnary Plat:
- Sketch Plan - S2oo
- Cr.ate lcts tban 3 lotr - S1OO -
t/creatc rore tban 3 1ots -$too + S15 acre I l.s p"l rot -lot cr..t€d
l/Pinal plat - S]'oo
- l{ete3 and Bound6 - $100
- Coneolldatc Lts - S1OO
IOTII. 3I'BDN,IISIOI
- All Othcrr $150
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0 Slte Plan Revier - S15o 0 fetland Alteration pet l.t:
- Indlvldual Single FaDilyIots - 9ZS0 Vacation of Utility orStreet BaaeDent - S10O
0 Varl.ance - SZs
0 Rezoning - $ZSO
0 Zontng Appeal - gzs
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' xcrlE- - rhen rultlprc app_1.icatr.on. arc DrooEs3od, tlr. approprl.atc fee ahall -bo cbarged for each appl lcatlon
a CondLtion l U3e P.lrlt - S15O
0 lnterin Uae P€Eit - SlsO
0 Irnd Use plan ADendDent - SloO _
0 Planned Unit DevelopDent:
- Sfetch Plan - 92OO
- Prel Lainat-t7 DavelopDent plan
$300 + S15 acre
- Flnal DevelopDent plan - g2OO
- lnendDent to Final. DevelopDentPlan - S3OO + 915 acre
AOIIL PED
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0 Zonlng Ordlnanc. lren(hrnt -fo Ch.Bt
PKq]EET IN{E L 4K e ( e.t tz..l q!92s
f,olcAtIoN L'l rut^.s RLoD D e"t Przrtt<< RDT
LEGAI DESCRIPTION 3ee 4.TT
PRESEXT ZOTIING il/rt <p Loa Dep s rr1 1(-1 + fr sF
RBQI'ESTED ZONIIIG F3r e5 //-p-/2_m<-
PREsErr rar{D usE DEsrc[Atrolr 4e
REQT'ESTED I.AND T'SE DESIG}IASION fiestDeNt AL-
lhls application Du6t be coryletcd in full and be ttD€rritten or clearlyprlnted rnd luBt be accorlpanled by all lnfonatlon and plans reguired by
appllcable City ordinance prorrl.riona. Beforc tlling thia applicatl.on, you
3hould confer rith the Plannlng Departront to detenine the rpeclflc
ordl.nance and procedural roqut rclcnts appllcablo to your appl icatlon.
ttls le to certlfy that f al ralclnE appllcatJ,on for th. deecrlbed actlon bythe city and that I aD re8lron8lble for coryrlylng eltb all Clty requlrcDentEvitb regard to thls rcqucst. Sia application rhould be procesaed in ry nareand I .D the party rhol tbe city should coDtrct regarding any latterpertalnlng to thia appllcatlon. t bave attach.d a copy of proof of orncrrbi;r(elther copy of onner.. Duplicatc Ccrtificato of llltlo, lbstract of fltl€ or
purcha3e agreeEent), or I rr tbc authorized p.r.on to rake thir appllcatlon
and the fee orner ha8 alro rigmed thie appllcatlon.
I rlU keep lyaelf lnforncd of th. doadl l.nec lor rubnllrlon of raterlal andtie progrress of tbie appllcatlon. f furtber utrderrtrnd that ailditional f.aB!.y be charged for conEultlnE fces, feaalDlllty rtudl.ce, ctc. rith an
octinate prior to any autlrorlzatt on to procccd ylth tbc .tualy. tle docruentr
and lnfornatlon I havc arbrlttrl ara ttnre and aorrrct to the best of ryIndrl.ilge.
I alro undcrrtand tbrt aft r th. rplrrovat or grantlng o! thc p.nlt, .uch
Drnltr .haU bo lnvalful unl.0 tboy erc recordrd rgatnrt th. tltl. to thc
Erop.rty for vtlch tb. rpproval/D.nlt lr grentod rlthln 12o d.y. rlth thccrrr.r corurty R.cordor r. Offtca lttd tb. orlglnal docur.nt r.tunt.d to Clty
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AdJ uatlents and AplrealE on
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LEGAL DESCRIPTION:
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PC DATE:
CC DATE:
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87-1 Site
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By:
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STAFF REPORT
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Site Plan Amendment For a 4,260 Square Foot
Of f icelwarehouse Addition
T-/)t- 2, Block 1, Chanhassen Lakes Business Park
7870 Park Drive
PROPOSAL:
LOCATION:
APPLI CANT :Industrial Infornation Control
7870 Park Drive
Chanhassen, UN 553f7
R. J. Ryan Construction
5511 Cedar Avenue So.ltinneapolis, IIN 55423
PRESENT ZONING:
ACREAGE:
DENSITY:
AN'ACENT ZONING AND
I,AND USE:
fOP, Industrial Office Park
2.93 acres
I
N - IoP, coDponent Engineering
S - IoP, Drainage pond outlot
E - IOP, vacant
W - IOP' Irunn & Roos
WATER AND SEWER:Available to the slte.
PHYSICAL CHARACTER. :The site abuts Riley hrrgatory Creek and isheavily uooded with mature trees. The site
Elopes generalLy to the southuest.
USE P Industrial
The proposed addition will have an area of 4,260 square feet andwill be utilized as warehouse space. It rri1I be situated to thewest of the existing building. Additional parking nil1 be provided
along the east edge of the existing parking lot. Access vi1l beobtained from Park Drive through an existing curb cut. Anadditional loading dock will be added to the west of the existingloading dock. The docks are concealed fron Park Drive by theexisting building. The watershed District requires a 1OO footsetback fron the creek centerline for all hard surfaces. AlIproposed inpervious surfaces naintain that distance.Architectural ly, the addition will be very sinilar to the existingbuilding. The sane Daterials rri11 be used on the exterior. Theapplicant ui11 preserve all existing vegetation outside of thebuil.dable area. Staff is proposing that additional landscaping be
added to the site along the southeast. Additional landscaping wiIIbe required along the north edge of the site in addition to nhat isproposed by the applicant. A drainage probfem exists fron theproperty to the north of the site due to inproper grading. Theadjacent parcel draj,ns toward the creek through the fIC- parcelacross the area proposed for the building addition. Staff net nithrepresentatives of the IIC site and Conponent Engineering to thenorth and it sas aqreed that IIC would correct the grade onConponent Engineeringrs site. The site plan conplies rith aI1ordinance standards. staff is reconnending that it be approvedrithout variances, subject to appropriate conditions.
GENERAL SITE PIAN./ARCHITECTURX
The site is located to the rest of park Drive. The site plan isfairly straight forward. Access is gained fron park Orive. Theproposed addition is a continuation of the existing building.Parking is located to the east of the site. Ihe truck lbadlng arearri1l be Located adj acent to the exi6ting dock. The truck loacling
!r9? is conpletely screened fron off-site vieus by the exietingbuilding. On the west elevation, the applicant is proposing a lOix 10r door to.provide access for heavy nachinery. ifre Uuitaingarchitecture is functionaL and wilI coropl inent the existin!building. The nain naterial used for the exterior facade is rocklfaced concrete block yith a single score coDcrete block that yill
be used to accent the building. The single score concrete block
IIC Site PLan Amendment
October 3, 1990
Page 2
PROPOSAL/SUUUARY
On April 5, L987, the City Council approved the site plan for a
15,888 square foot office and warehouse facility for IndustrialInfornation Controls, Inc. (AttachDent #1). The firn manufactures
nachines and computerized controls. The site has an area of 2.9acres and is adj acent to a Iow area that drops array to RileyPurgatory creek. The creek is located south of the site.
IIC Site PIan Amendment
October 3, 1990
Page 3
will be extended fron the existing buitding. There are no IMCunits proposed for the roof top equipnent. l{o additionat signagewill be added to the site. The applicant has not shorrn where thetrash enclosure lrill be located and such should be shown on thesite p1an. The encLosure shoutd utilize material conpatible withthe building exterior.
The anount of chernicals on site are uinimal and are stored in thebuilding in one or two gallon containers. A hazardous waste pernitis not reguired as the chenicals used are not toxic in niture.Circuit boards which require hazardous chemicaLs are sent out fornanufacturing. According to their Danagement, IIc does not andviI1 not rnanufacture their orm base circuit boards, houever, theydo assemble these boards by installing parts into then. Attachnent#2 shows the type of chenicals used and stored in the building.
The applicant indicated that should the need arise, a disposal siteis available for then. Staff is reconnending that the request be
approved subject to appropriate conditions.
PARRING / TNTER IOR CTRCULATION
with the addition of the new building, sone functions wil1 beshifted from the existing building to the new addition. Office
space will total 5,000 square feet, the warehouse irill occupy 7,OOOsquare feet and the nanufacturing area rri11 occupy 8,OOO squarefeet. Parking requirenents for the office portion of the buildingis 4.5 parking sta1ls per 1,000 square feet which anounts to 2aparking staLls. The nanufacturing facility is proposed to
accomnodate a maxinun of 28 enployees. The ordinance calls for oneparking stall per enployee which requires a total of 28 sta1ls.The warehouse and shipping has a total area of 7,OOO square feetlrhj.ch translate to 7 parking stalls required as the ordinancerequires 1 parking staII per 1,000 square feet. The total numberof required parking sta1ls is 58. The applicant is proposing toprovide 50 parking sta1Is. Staff does not support a variance forparking noting that there is anple room to construct additionalstalls at the rear of the buildj.ng. VIe are, however, uilling toaccept a I'proof -of -parkingrr plan to avoid creating unnecessary hardsurface coverage. An appropriate pLan should be provided for staffapproval. Handicapped parking stalls have not been shoyn on thesite p1an. The applicant nust ahoe the desigmated handicappedparking. The applicant iE adding 13 parking stalls to the east ofthe existing parking Iot.
IIC Site Plan AmendDent
October 3, 199 0
Page 4
Use
office
Area
Uanufacture 8, 000 s. f .
PARKING COITIPLIANCE TABLE
Parkinq
4.5 sta1Isper 1000
s. f .
1 stall perenployee
(28t
TotaL
23
28
Warehouse 7,000 s. f.
Stal1s provided - 58
Based upon this analysis, staff concludes that the parkingrequirenents have been satisfied.
Access to the loading docks is adequate with proper turning radiusfor trucks. sone drainage problens exist in the vicinity of thepresent loading dock area, reflected by pavenent deterioration.
The applicant is proposing to repave that entire area.
I,,ANDSCAPTNG
7
The landscaping plan is well conceived although it is deficient in
sorne areas. The landscaping plan shous a concentration of treesalong the northeast corner of the property and along the southerlyportion of the site. The naj ority of the existing vegetation alongthe westerly portion of the site will remain undisturbed.staff is proposing that a trno cutn tree preservation line beestablished., clearly uarked by snou fence and approved by staffprior to the start of grading on the site.
Staff is requesting additionaL landscaping aLong the northerlyportion of the site and the building. This area is currentlydevoid of plant naterial. The plan should be revised to carry thLnorth side parking lot landscaping sest across the north elev;tionof the bui],ding. All disturbed areas Dust be seeded or 6odded.Under the revj.sed site plan ordinance, financiaL guarantees forlandscaping and other site inprovements are requlred. Thesefinancial g'uarantees shall be subnitted before a building permit isissued.
5,000 s. f.
stalls required - 50
1 stall per
1000 s. f.
flc site PIan AnendDent
October 3, 1990
Page 5
LIGHTING
Lighting locations have not been iLlustrated on the p1an. only
shielded fixtures are allowed and the applicant nust demonstratethat there is no more than .5 candles of light at the propertyline.
GRADING AND DRATNAGE
The site generally drains to the southlrest into RiIey Creek.Existing vegetation acts as a natural screen to renove sediment
from the runoff prior to reaching the creek. A sna1l portion ofthe site is anticipated to be graded as a result of the currentrequest. Carver Soil conservation District has located tuocontours of 930r and 928r for possible silt fence locations toprevent runoff. Pl.ans shou erosi.on control around the constructionsite. Type III erosion control shalL be used on the site due tothe nature of the area. currently, a drainage problen existsvithin the existing building. Water runoff from the northern sitelocated on Lot 1, Block 1, is penetrating the building and fillingthe basernent of the Industrial InforEation Control Buil.ding Locatedon Lot 2, Block 1, Chanhassen Lakes Business Park 4th Addition. OnSeptenber 10, 1990, Engineering and Planning Staff Det with ounersof both sites and a decision iras reached to correct the existinggrading on the property Located to the north adjacent to IndustrialInfornation Control . Staff is recornnending that the or.ner of Lot1, Block 1, grant a temporary grading easement to the ormer of l-ot2, Block 1, for the purpose of correcting the drainage problen.
A revised grading and drainage plan ahould be subnitted for staff
approval .
PUBLIC UTILTTTES
city water and selrer are available on Park Drive. The new additionwill be serviced internally off existing lines. Staff isrequesting additional landscaping along the northern portion of thesite, A drainage easenent exiets along the northerly border of thesite. Staff is requesting that the applicant enter into a hoLdharmless agreenent uith the City to acknowledge that the City willnot be held responsible for any danage or restoration costs to thelandscaping uhile perforning naintenance.
SIGNAGE
The applicant is not proposing any additional signage for the slte.
Building Height
Building Setback
Parking stalLs
Parking Setback
L,ot Coverage
Lot Area
Variances Reguired - none
STAFF RECO}IMENDATTON
COITTPLIANCE TABLE -
Ordinance
4 stories
N-10r E-10r
s-10r w-10r
58 stalls
IOP DISTRICT
Proposed
1 story
N-10 r E-30 |
s-70r w-220r
50 ata11s
Includes t handicap
space
N-10 |
s-10 |
E-30 t
w-10 t
N-10 i
s-25 |
E-3 0 r
w-N/A
70*48t
1 acre 2.93 acres
Planning Coumission adopt the following
rrThe Planning Connission reconnends approval
ll87-9 as shown on the plan dated Septenber {,the follorling conditions:
1. Provision of trash storagestorage. ?he enclosure isrrith the prinary structure.
of Site PIan Review
1990, and subj ect to
enclosure for aLL outside trashto be nade of masonry conpatible
Designated handicapped parking shall be shosn on the p1ans.Provide proof-of-parking plans for 8 stalls foi staffapproval . These stalls shall be installed upon request by theCity after there is evidence of a parking strortfall. -
Provide additional landscaping on the north portion of thesite and alL disturbed areas sha1l be seeded lnd an erosioncontrol bLanket installed until vegetation le re-established.FinanciaL guarantees for landscaping shatl be subnitted to theCity prior to issuance of a building permit. Aleo, provideTlpe III erosion control around all dieturbed areas of thesite, especially along the creek.
The applicant uust denonstrate that there is no nore than .sfoot candles of light fron fixtures at the property line.
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Staff recoEmends thenotion:
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5. The applicant sha1l work with City Staff and the adjoiningproperty owner to the north to resolve the current drainageprobLen. The owner of InE 2, Block 1, Chanhassen Lakes
Business Park 4th Addition shall grant the orrner of Lot 1,Block 1, Chanhassen Lakes Business Park 4th Addition a
temporary grading easenent to alLow the orrner of Lot 1to dothe reguired grading. The applicant shal1 document that he
has obtained lega1 access onto the adjoining property to thenorth to perforn grading operations to resolve the drainageprobleD to the satisfaction of the City and Engineering
Components, Inc. AIso, the applicant shall provide therequired security to guarantee the erosion control , grading
and restoration operations. The dock area drainage problen
must be corrected. Additional pavenent areas may need to be
removed and replaced in order to a1low proper drainage frornthe loading dock and concrete pad area.
6. The applicant sha1l subnit plans to the Watershed District for
revj.ew and obtain a pernit if necessary.
ATTACTIT,TENTS
f report dated April 6, L987.of chenicals used by IIC.
from Asst. City Engineer dated Septenber 2L, 1990.ication.fron Building official dated Septenber 11, 1990.fron Fire l,larshal dated July 11, 1990.L€tter fron Carver Soil and Water Conservation District dated
septenber 18, 1990.
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APPLICABLE REGULATIONS
Section 5-16-2 of the Zoning Ordinance allovrs office and ware-
house as a permitted use in the IOP District (Attachment llI).
Section 5-15-5 of the Zoning Orilinance requires a front yard set-
back of 30 feet and a rear and side yard setback of l0 feet and a
maximum lot coverage of 70t in the IOP District (Attachment 11).
Sect.ion 7-1-I0 of the Zoning Ordinance requiresper 1000 square feet of floor area up to 10,000
one additional space for each 2,000 square feet
i,rarehouse establishments (Attachment t2 ).
one parking space
square feet and
thereafter for
Section 8-2-1 of the Zoning Ordinance requires a strip of Iandleast I0 feet between right-of-way and vehicular use area with
tree every 40 feet plus a 2 foot hedge or berm (Attachment {l 3).
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Section 8-2-2 of the Zoning Ordinance requires one tree every 40feet for interior Iot lines abutting industrial land (-qttachment
#3).
Section 8-3-I of the Zoning Ordinance requires
landscaping for vehi.cular areas containing morefeet ( AEtachment {+3 ) .
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REFERRAL AGENCI ES
City Engi neer
ANALYS I S
See Attachment {14
Site Desiqn
The applicant is proposing a 15,808 square foot office warehousebuilding for Industrial Information Controls, Inc. (ICC). ICC
assembles machj-nes and computerized controls. The site is 2.9acres and contains a Iow area adjacent to Riley-purgatory Creek
and a sloped area adjacent !o Component Engineering to the north.
The proposal shows a proposed and future development. Thecurrent proposal maintains an impervious surface of 34t(buildingr parking and sidewalks). The future building andparking area will increase this to 58t. The Zoning Ordinancerequires a maximum of 70t impervious surface. The Zoning
Ordinance permits the building anil parking area Eo be located 10feet from the north property line and the watershed Districtrequires a 100 foot selback from the creek centerline.
Section 7-1-10 of the Zoning Ordinance reguires three parking
spaces per 1000 square feet of office floor area (Attachment *2).
Therefore, the building is located as far from the creek aspossible. Due to the Iimited area, the existing hill and maturevegetation wiII be removed for the proposed building.
The Zoning Ordinance requires that, to the extent possible, thesite design shall preserve woodland areas and that shade treesover six inch caliper shall be preserved unless there is no otherr{ay to develop the s j.te. The site conditions require the renovalof the existing hill and vegetation. The ordinance allows theCity to require the replacement of removeC trees. At a minimum,the.site plan must. provide for landscaping required by the ZoningOrdinance. Staff is recommending the applicant submii a planshowing existing vegetation which will be removed prior to finalplat approval.
Parki ng and Landsca pinq
A total of 35 parking spaces are required and the site plan isproviding 37 parking spaces.
The site plan is proviCing t.he reguired 10 foot landscape striparound the south and east side of the building. A I0 fcotlandscape strip must also be naintained beCween the parking areaand right-of-way. A tiro foot. berm with a tree every 4 feei isrequired on this strip. The applicant has provided for thisrequirement. The Zoning Ordinance reguires one tree every 40feet along t.he interior lot lines. The applicant has proviCed astrip of trees along Che south lot 1ine. Such a strip of treesmust also be provided on the north property line.
The Zcning Ordinance requires interior landscaping for parking
areas over 6,000 square feet. The parking area is approximatelyI7,000 square feet. The Zoning Ordinance requires 5 sguare feetof landscaped areas for every ICO feet of parking area for atoEal of 850 sguare feet reguired (the applicant calculated 887square f eet. required). The applicant is providing 920 squarefeet of interior Iandscaping.
c-ra!i!-S anQ_Drai nage
There will be extensive grading on the site. Erosion controlsilt fences and hay bales trill be required aror:nd the contructionarea to minimize sediment from leavj.ng the site. The erosion/sedimentation protection wilI be required to be maintained during
and after construction until the landscaping and vegetaEive coverhas been restored.
It appears that drainage from t,he entire site is proposed to bebrought to a catch basin and directed through a l2-inch stormsewer where it will then be conveyed to Riley-Purgatory Creek.staff and the watershed District are concerned with the piping of
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March 11, 1987
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the runoff of t.he site through the l2-inch storm serrer. Staff isrecomrnending Ehat a portion of the runoff from the site bedirected to Park Drive !,rhere catch basins are available. Thiswould minimize the erosion impact to Riley-purgatory Creek andprovide for sediment renoval. If the drainage-is directed fromthe site to the creek through a storm sewer !ipe, the applicantmust receive a permit from the DNR.
Component Engineering is locaEed directly to the north. A por-tion of.the drainage from Component fngiieering is directed toPark Drive and the rest is directed to the south over the site inquestion. There is a drainage ditch from Component Engineeringon t!e proposed site, located approximately nhere the iuturebuilding is proposed. A ilrainage easement for this ditch has not.been provided for and Opue is working with the applicant toremedy thi s di screpancy.
Utilities
A l0-inch municipal san i taryDrive and municipal water isalso located in Park Drive.
sewer service isavailable from a
avai labIe from Park10-inch watermai n
The watershed District. requries a 200 foot greenspace along Rileycreek. The 200 foot greenspace is neasured as r0b feet on eitheiside of the creek centerline. The proposal has some impervioussurface within the 100 foot setback-ani must receive a irariancefrom the i{ater shed District.
Miscellaneous
Recomrnendat i on
The 'datershed District reviewed the variance apprication on March4, L987, and gave preliminary approval if the iiplicant canobtain deed restrictions from the properties to'Lne "outt,-iomaintain the 200 feet of greenspace. The properties to the southare owned by the city and Day-co concrete (atlachment *51. Thereare outlots throughout the business center along the creek.These outlots are owned by Chanhassen and are uied for ilrainageand stormwater holding ponds. ?he outrots will nevei ue-imfroveaand deed restrictions can be granted for the outrot-ownea-ii trrecity. To naintain a 200 foot-green space a portion oi oiy_[oConcrete's property must also have a deed reitriction ana'tneapplicant must work with the ordner to obtain this.
Planning staff recommends thatfollowing motion:the Planning Commission adopt the
"The. Planning. Commission reconmends approval of site plan #g7_Ia":f9yn on sire plan dated February 1-e, rsgz, with tie ioiio"ingconditions:
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I The applicant submit a plan showing existing vegetation whichwill be removed.
The applicant shall provide one tree per 40 feet along thenorth property 1ine.
The applicant sha11 provide an acceptable grading plan to
accommodate drainage from the Component Engineering site tothe north.
The applicant shall provide revised site grades to force theeasLerly half of the site drainage to flow to park Drive thuseliminating the I2-inch storm pj.pe and naximize rhe sediment
r emova I,/eros i on controt for the site. The westerly half ofthe site shall oe graded to a1low "sheet" flow into the creeksetback.
The applj.cant sha11 proviile an acceptable erosion controlplan for the site.
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The applicant must receive permits from the DNR and the
Watershed District.
PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION
The Planning Commission unanimously recomrnended approval withstafi's conditions.
AT'IACHI'1E NTS
SecEion 5-L6-2 and 5-16-5 of the Zoning Ordinance.Section 7-1-10 of the Zoning Ordinance.Section 8-2-L, 8-2-2 and 8-3-1 of the Zoning Ordinance.
Memo from City Engineer dated flarch 6, 1987.Location of City olrned outlot and Day-Co Concrete.Application.
Reduced copies of elevation and site p1an.
Planning Commission minutes dated uarch 25, 1987.Site Plan dated February 18, 1987.
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CHEMICALS USED AT MILLTRONICS
May 7, 1990
Paints:DMR-475 orange
DAR - 2185 whi Ee
DMR-487 yel1ov,
DAR - 25032 Havanna brown
DAR-24574 beige
DSX - 100 bondj-ng clear
DP-40 epoxy pr j.mer
Spray paint, 12 oz. cans
Hardener s :Dx-?? fisheye eliminator
DXR-81 accelerator
DU-4 calalyst
DXR- 80 caEalyst
DP-401 epoxy primer catalyst
DTR-600 enamel reducer
DTR-601 enamel reducer
Thi.nner s :DTL-10 lacquer thi-nner
Dx-330 acrylic cleaner
DX- 47 4 spray gun cleaner
Miscellaneous : DX-54 road guard
DX-520 Galva prep necal conditioner
DX- 579 meEal prep
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690 COULTER DRIVE . P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-s739
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TO: Sharmin A1-Jaff, Planner I
FROII: Charles Fo1ch, Assistant City Engineer
DATE: September 21 , 1990
The plan proposal submitted involves an expansion of the existingbuilding and the relocation of the loading dock area forIndustrial Information Controls locateA in the Chanhassen LakesIndustrial Park. The location for the expansion is on the westside of the existing building. This neh, building area wiIlprimarily be used for storage of conponents for rnacbines
assembled at this facility. The existing loading dock area isproposed to be relocated approximately 60 feet to the ryest andincorporated into the construction of the building expansion.
Drainage
The najority of the pavement area south of the existing buildingdrains to the Riley Purgatory Creek via sheet flow. Thiscondition is acceptable to the Hatershed District and is beLievedto be the most practical approach given the conditions of thesite. Erosion potential is ninimize<i by not concentrating therunoff. The vegetation berweea the site and the creek wiII actas a natural screen to knock dorn the sediment prior to reachingthe creek. In order to rnaintain this condition, curb is notproposed to be installed along the southern edge of the pavementdriveway area immeiliately south of the buildiog. In accordancewith this condition anil staff's previous recomnendation, theapplicant is proposing to insr.all a eplit-rail fence to act as aguard rail and delineate the driveray edge.
The plan proposal submitted shows that the existing bituminouspavernent in the loading ilock area witl be replaced rith aconcrete slab. Due to flat grades, this bituminous pavenent areaappears to have experienced drainage problems in the past and hasdeteriorated significantly. The applicant Day be required to
remove and replace the bituninous pavement inmediately south of
CITY OF
SUBJ: Site Plan Review for Industrial Information Cont!o1sFile No. 90-26 Land Use Review
Sharmin A1-Jaff
September 21, 1990
Page 2
the proposeal concrete pad in order to allow for prope! drainage.
The applicant is also proposing to widen the existing pavement
turnaround area and extend the pavement driveway to the west. sideof the proposed expansion area.
Grading
At this time it is anticipated that only urinimal site grading
around the expansion area will need to be performed. However,the submitted proposal does not show planned or proposed grades
to verify this. Staff is recommending that the applicant
resubmit the grading plan showing the proposed site grades in
conjunction with the building expansion to verify the extent ofthe grading operations. The revised grading plan to be submittedshall also designate areas to receive soal , seed, etc.
This existing site is currently experiencing some drainage
problems which may be somewhat contributed to by runoff from asmalI portion of the property immediately north. Staff hasrecently met with representatives of these two properties todiscuss measures to remedy the situation. The propertyimmediately north is owned by Engineering ComponentsIncorporated. Their representative, Jerry Gens, has verballyagreed to alIow the grading contractor for the IndustrialInformation Controls expansion project to access their property
and perform minimal grading operations to correct the problem.
The grading correction will involve detaining the majority of thesurface runoff south of the Engineering Components building andredirecting it to the west into a natural drainage course asproposed on the original site plan approval . Staff recommendsthat the applicant acquire a temporary right-of-enery or someother acceptable written agreement which specifically grants the
access for this work to be performed. SiDce a specific gradingplan for this remedial work is not being submitted, the applicantsha11 rrork with and complete the operations to City anil
Engineering Components, Inc. satisfaction.
Erosion Control
The plans propose erosion control along the southern border ofthe project. However, the type of erosion control is notspecified; therefore, the revised grading plan to be submittedshould include the type of erosion control to be installed.
Given the nature of the area and the close proximity of this siteto the creek area, it is required that Tlr[)e III erosion controlbe installed.
Reconmended Conditions
Sharmin A1-Jaff
September 21 , L990
Page 3
The appl icantfor review and
I The applicant shall resubmit a grading plan showingproposetl contours and extent of the grading operationsthe site.
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The applicant sha1l provitle and maintain fype III erosioncontrol around a1I disturbeai areas of the site, especiallyalong the creek. This detail should be incorporated onto the
new grading plan sheet (see attachment).
3. The applicant shall document that he has obtained 1egal,access onto the adjoining property to the nolth to perfofmthe grailing operations to resolve the drainage problem to thesatisfaction of the City and Engineering Components, Inc.
4. Additional pavement areas nay need to be renoved and replacedin order to allow proper drainage from the loading dock andconcrete pad area.
The applicant shalI provide the reguiredguarantee the erosion control , graaing andoperations.
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DEITE IP PI{ENT BEVIEII I'PPLICITTOX
Cus,'APPLICANT:4 OWNER:
ADDRISs:6{//tt 5a ADDRXSS:
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I ConditionaL Use Pertuit - S15O
0 Interin Use Pernit - $fSO
0 Land Use Plan Anendnent - S1OO _
0 Pl.anned Unit DevelopDent:
- Sketch Plan - S2OO
- Prelininary Developnent Plan
5300 + S15 acre
- Final DeveLopment Plan - S2OO
- Anendnent to Final Development
Plan - $:OO + $15 acre
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Prelininary Plat:
- Sketch Plan - 9200
- Create less than 3lots - S1O0
- Create Dore than 3 Lots -
91oo + $15 acre + S5 Per Lotlot created
- Final Plat - Sloo
- Iiletes and Bounds - $100
- Consolidate Ipta - $100
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0 vacation of Utility orStreet EaseDent - S1O0
0 Variance - SZs
0 Rezoning - S25o
0 Zoning Appea1 - S75
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tYoaty-31: !u11 .Itc folal.d ooplor of tL. plrlr rurt b. .uD!itt.C.
0 wetland Alteration Pernit:
- Indlvidual Single FanilyIots - S25
- AlI Others - 5150
r NOTE - When nultiple appl.lcationa are processed, the approprlate fee shallbe charged for each application.
IOTAL PI'D
0 Site Plan Review - S15o
0 Zoning ordin.nce ADendDent -
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REASON FOR THIS REQUEST
./ oPRESENT ZONING
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PRESENT I,AND USE DESIGNATION
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REQUESTED IAND USE DESIGNATION
This application nust be conpleted in fulL and be tlpewritten or clearly_printed and must be acconpanied by all. inforaation and plans required byapplicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, youshould confer uith the Planning DepartEent to detemine the speciiicordinance and procedural requirenents applicable to your application.
ffis is to certify that f an naking application for the described action bythe city and that r aD responsible for conplying rith a1t city regu.irementl -with regard to this request. Ehis application shourd be processed in ny naneand I. arn the party whorn the City should contact regarding any natterpertaining to this apprication. r have attached a copy ot proof of o:unership _(either copy of orrrerrs Duplicate certificate of ritie, Abstract of Title o-r-purchase agreenent), or r aD the authorized person to make this applicationand the fee owner has also signed this application.
I uil1 keep nyself infotaed of the deadlines for Eubnission of Daterial andthe progress of this application. I further underatand that additional feesDay. be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an-estinat-e prior to any authorization to proceed wittr the study. rhe docunentsand inforroation r have eubrnitted are tnre and correct to- ttre best of rnyknovledge.
r arso understand that after the approval or granting of the petiDit, suchperrits shall. be invalid unless they are recorded against ttre iitte io theproperty for which the approval/per:nit is granted wittrin 120 days uith the -carrrer county Recorderrs offlce and the originar docuDent returied to citytsall Records.
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This application will be
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690 COULTER DRIVE. PO. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (512) 937-5739
Ol sen, Senior plrnner
CITY OF
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Jo Ann
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Planning
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Case 8?-1
Bui lding Oflicial
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Entire bui Iding must be fire sprinllered.
Floor plan of existing building oust be subnitted at tine ofbui lding perui t application.
One handi cap parking space and curb cut Eust be provided..,
CITY OF
EH[NH[SSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE . PO. BOX .I47. CHANHASSEN. MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEl\IORAN DUM
TO: Sharmin AI-Jaff. Planner I
FROII: Mark Littf in. Fi re Marshal
DAIE3 Jul1 J1. 1990
SUBJ: I . I . C.
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extended 8n additional 80 feet to the west.not be needed provided:
l were to be built, additional firebe required per Fire Departnent
The existing bui Iding as well as the new section bebrought up to code, i.e. paint spra) booth, egress paths,en(rgenc) I ighting, monitoring of the fire sprinklers;'stern (if not al.eady being done), posted fire lanes,lock box. other fire sprinkler worl if needed.
CAR,JEF] si:IIL ATID HATER C{JNSERVATIOT,l DISTRICT:19 EAS] FRQNTAGE ROAD
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Jo Ann Ql=en: Senior Planner
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RE: Planr'ins Case E7-1 site plan revieur.
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alu'aUE t'e r.nstal led orr a contour line and have ttre end=tu,'n.:4 up tou,ards the nei:t contour linp above. Theg shouldbe u=ed tc, contsin sedinrents fronr sheet f lours frotrr theccn:=tr'!{:tinn EitE. If e:rcavated soils are to be stored uestof tle trui td:ing site the sedinrent controls should bee),tpndE(J tc cc,ver the additional area. (:ln ttre upper barriera trair nf X'=. in t'o:reE indicate points rrrhich shtruld hElorate,-i E,s the construction engineer so the berrier can bein:ti11EC *s close as possible to the Eonstruction and cetbp r-1!. t c.i the urag Eio it ullI I not be disturbed once it hBs
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Silt Fences
November 1987
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Purpose
Design
Considerations
This Fact Sheet is not intended to replace the information contained in the Soil
Conservation Service Technical Guide. lt is intended to provide general
information on this practice.
When properly inslalled and maintained, sih lences are eflective sediment
baniers. They should be used only below unprotected areas where it is
impractical to prevent erosion.
Sih lences should be installed on the clntour, and constructed so runoff
cannot bypass the ends. ll the silt lence is longer than 600 feet, the silt fence
should be constructed in separate, independent unils, with each unit having a -
bngth lessthan 600 feet.
Sitt fences may be constructed with supporting fences, such as snow fences -
or wire mesh fences. The supporting fences should be strong enough lo
withstiand the load from ponded water and trapped sediment. The support
posts should be spaced at 10 feet or less, and should be placecl or driven at
least 2 feet into the ground. Posts should be 4inch diameter wood posts or
standard T- or U-section steel posts weighing not less than 1.3 pounc,s per
lineal foot, with a manimum length ol30 inches plus burial depth.
When a sill fence is install€d without a supporting fence, the posts shoulcl be
spaccd at 4 teet or less. Posts should be placed or driven at least 2 feet into
the ground. Posts should be 2inch square or heavier uood posts or standard
T- or U-section sleel posts 'rveighing not less than 1 .0 pound per lineal foot,
with a minimum lenEh of 30 inches plus burial deplh.
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Silt ,ences are temporary sediment control measures installed on the contour
b intercept and detain sediment from small unprotected areas. Silt fences are -
constructed by attaching a synthetic filter iabric to supporting posts. The
botom of the fabric is anchored in a trench to prevent water and sediment
lrom passing underneath the silt fence.
Silt fences may be used where: (1) the drainage area is less than 2 acres; (2)
the maximum slope length above the silt fence is 150 feet; and (3) water
reaches the silt fence as sheet floiv without significant concentrations. Silt '
bnces should nol be used in channels, waterways or other concentrated flow
paths. The useful life of a silt fence is generally no more than one construction -geason.
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Grab Strength'ASTr\r-D-1682 9O lbs. min.
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Ultraviolet Resistance ASrM-D4355 700/o min.
'12" per min. strain rate
Silt hncss require maintenance to presen e their effectiwness. All silt bnces
should be inspected immediately after sach runoff €nEnt and at least daily
during polonged ninfall. Arry required opairs should be made immediately.
When sediment deposits reach appiuimslely one,haff the height ol the silt
bnce, the sediment should be orro/sd or a seoond silt bnce should be
insralbd.
Contact the local Soil Consondion Service (SCS) or Soil and \rlher
Consendion District in yourcourfi.
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A trench for anchoring the fabric is dug along the upslope side ol ths posts.
The trench should be about 6 inches wide and 6 inches deep. The fabric is
laid in the trench, which is then backfilled and compacled.
The filter fabric should be fumished in a continuous roll cut to the length of the
silt fence to avoid splices. When splices are necessaty, the fabric should be
spliced at a support post with a minimum 6 inch werlap, folded wer, and
securely fastened.
The synthetic fillerlabric should be a pervious sheet ol propylene, nylon,
polyester or ethylene yam unibrm in texture and appearance and hee from
defecls, flaws or tears that ',!rould affect its physical properties. The fabric
should meet or exceed the folloring requirements:
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690 COULTER DRIVE ' P.O. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(61 2) 937-1 900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
I'{EMORANDUM
TO:
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DATE:
SUBf:
Planning conmission
Sharnin Al-Jaff, Planner I
Septenber 28, 7990
Conditional Use Pernit
BACKGROUND FOR VEHICLE TNSPECTION STATION
on september 5, 1990, the Planning Coumission tabled action on SitePlan #90-9 for a vehicle testing facility and Zoning Ordinance
Amendment #90-L0 to a11ow a vehicle testing station in the IOP,Industrial Office Park District as a pernitted use. Staff was
asked to further research the natter and to contact cities that had
such facilities and find out what their experience has been. We
were also instructed to revise the proposed ordinance anendment to
have vehicle testing stati.ons as conditional rather than perrnitted
use and to also a1lo$, for their placeent in the higheray businessdistrict. The following constitutes staff's efforts at providing
additional data to review the request as well as the appl,icant's
attenpts to provide Inore information and propose adjustnents to thesite plan to acconnodate concerns raised by an adjoining property
olrner .
ACTIONS BY OTHER COMI{UNITIES
Staff contacted several cities which included Skokie, Cicero,
Chicago Heights and wood River, Illinois. A11 of the cities that
rrere contacted seemed to have one similar therne to thern. They have
had the stations located in their city anywhere from 3 to 5 years.
The first year of opening seened to be the nost troublesome tine aspeople were not used to such facilities nor did they know when togo get their vehicLes tested, There was traffic congestion the
first year, but it seems that all of the problems were lrorked out.
AIl of the cities agreed that there is nornally not Dore than 6
cars lined up in a lane and the naxinum waiting tirne at the busiesttine has been approxinately 1,5 ninutes. The city that had the Dost
problems r^rith the emission statj-on was the City of Cicero. Staff
spoke to the Traffic Engineer and the city clerk. cicero has apopulation of 63,000 and has had the station for 5 years. The
CITY OF
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first year did create some congestion on the streets but bugs wererrironed outr'. The second city that had problens during the firstyear was the Village of Skokie. The Traffic Engineer for theVillage of Skokie stated that there was some traffic congestion thefirst year. He stated that the nain problen with that was that theState had nailed out notices to residences in the village to gettheir vehicles tested. A large nunber of notices were mailed outwhich was uruch more than what the station could handle. The Statedid officially apologize for that and adnitted that it was theirfault. The State created a breakdown of the nunber of vehicleswithin the city and notices are being nailed out accordingly. Thetesting station in Skokie has been there for 3 years and has apopulation of 60,000. When the station first opened, there was a45 ninute wait in line and today it takes an average of 5 to 6minutes to get the vehictes tested. The other problem that Skokiewas facing was that their station opened prior to the other 15stations within the State of Il1inois. This forced the najority ofthe vehicles to be tested in Skokie and the demand was much higherthan what the facility could offer and as time passed, oiherstations opened which reduced the number vehicles being tested atSkokie, Minnesota does not anticipate such a problen al it is oneof the staters reconmendations that all stations must open on the
same day or else no station uiLl be pernitted to operate. Staffalso contacted state officials from Washington, IlIinois andl,laryland. AII state officials from Departnents of Eco1ogy,Pollution Control and Environmental Services adnitted that they hidproblens with traffic the first year but all of their problens havebeen ironed out and all the stations are operating efficientlytoday. A11 states and cities agreed that SysteE controls has beenvery easy to work with, they nove fast to resolve and eliminateproblerns and are readily av6i1able to work with state and citystaff to meet denands. The najority of the officials also agreedtlat it takes approxinately one year to get used to the faciliiies,that there were problens during the first year and that there areno problems at the present tine. AII cities that rrere contactedrirere asked as to where the facilities were located. The rnaj orityof the stations were located in light industriar areas. ettalhrnenl#1 shows the location of the stations in ttaryland and lllinois.staff also contacted cities in Minnesota where other faciLities arebeing proposed to be located. The following is a list of citiesand status of actions taken by each cityrJ respective planning
Comrnission and City council .
citv
white Bear
Acti,on
City CounciL - Approved thesite plan as a conditional usepernit.
City counciL - Approved theOakdale
Planning Commission
Vehicle Inspection Station
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llinneapol i s
Minnetonka
Bloonington
coon Rapids
Brooklyn Park
Rosevil l e
Eagan
site plan as a pernitted use.
city council - Approved thesite plan as a pernitted use.
Planning Conmission - Approvedthe site plan as a perrnitted
use.
Have not held public hearings
as of this date. They aregoing to then in october.
Nonetheless, these cities were
contacted and aI1 cities werecertain that they will be
approved with no foreseenproblens. The only city that
has denied the application has
been the City of Richfield dueto the close location of thestation to a residential area
and also because the road
capacity cannot handle the
amount of traffic that would be
generated.
S IGNAGE,/ FTNDING THE SITE
Another issue that was brought up at the Planning Conmission was
the possibility of people entering buildings within the vicinity
askinq for directions to the emission control testing site. To
avoid this problen, the state will nail out directional maps with
the notices. ltnDoT will also provide off prernise directional signs
on their public right-of-way.
!,IAX]},TIT4 VEHICLE SIZE
The Planning Cornrnissj.on asked staff to find out what sizeltype of
vehicles are required to be tested. Attachnent #2 compares thesize of vehicles that need to be tested. If the total gross weightof the vehicle is 8,500 pounds or under, it rnust be tested. Thepictures illustrate that only the snallest trucks vill requiretesting.
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Planning CoumissionVehicle Inspection Station
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REV]SED ORDINANCE
staff was also asked to develop an ordinance to allow emissioncontrol testing stations in the IOP, Industrial Office park
Districts and BH, Highway Busj.ness Districts as a conditional use.Conditional use pernit standards have been expanded based upon thePLanning cornmission I s direction.
Section 20-293, conditional Use pernit Standards, is added(anended) to read as folLous:
Enission control testing Stations - Authorized to undertakeenissions and/ or safety nonitoring required by the State ofMinnesota provided that:
a. the operation is under contract agreement with the Stateof Minnesota to provide these servicesi
b. no repairs are performed on the sitei
c. no gas or parts are sold on the site;
d. no outdoor storage of vehicles or related materials;
e. no diesel testing to be allowed at the site;
f. state and federal air and noise standards shall becornplied with. If problens are found to exj.st, theproperty orner sha11 be required to pay for any testingdeemed to be required by the City to clarify thesituation;
g. all vehicle stacking shal1 be provided on-site indesignated lanes. Fire lanes, parking areas and otherdrives sha11 be prohibited.
Section 2O-aL4. Conditional Uses in the IndustriaL OfficePark District is anended to read:
(15) Enission control testing stations.
Section 20-71-4 Conditional Uses in the BII, Highway BusinessDistrict is amended to read:
(9) Enission controL testing stations.
staff continues to have reservations with the potential of rocatingemissions- testing facil.ities in the BH alistriat. Fundamentally w6believe that the rop district is the appropriate one to accoEmodatethese uses and this belief has generil,fy been backed up by
Planning comnission
Vehicle Inspection Station
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infornation obtained fron other communities. our findings arefurther supported by our contention that there are relatively fewavailable sites in the BH district in Chanhassen. These tend to
have high visibility and are located at najor entrances into thecentral business district. They represent high value conmerciaL
sj.tes and we believe it would be inappropriate to in essence lose
one of these sites to acconnodate the testing station.
Air oualitv and Noise Analvsis
Based upon discussions with staff, the applicants had theirconsultant undertake noise and air quality studies of the
chanhassen site to ascertain specific inpacts on the adj acent PMTproperty. The studies are provided in an appendix to this report.
The analysis concluded that t[innesota PcA Noise standards for
comrnercial uses would not be exceeded. Noise analysis relies on a
fairly cornplex set of scientific formulas that need not be
explained in detail at this tinre. Holrever, the state noise
standard of 70 dBA will not be exceeded with an expectation that
the predicted noise level is 60 dBA. The conmission should note
that noise is neasured on a 1og rhythmic scale, thus a 10 dBA
difference j.s significantly large. Likewise, an air quality
analysis was done for carbon nonoxide. The analysis attemPts to
ascertain a worst case scenario of air quality inpacts from the
site by projecting long ques of cars vaiting to get into the
facility. The overall co concentration at the closest portion of
the PMT building is 5.2 pprn which compares with a one hour standardof 30 ppn and the 8 hour standard of 9 ppn. Thus proj ected leve1s
are well below alIowab1e standards.
Traffic Analvsis
An additional traffic study has been done to ascertain the inpactof this site on area roads. The applicant will have their
transportation consultant at the rneeting to respond to guestions
fronr the Planning Commission. However, data being subnitted
indicates that traffic levels on area roadways and contributions to
turning movements are guite 1ow given the fact that there are three
Deans of accessing the site. The site can be approached fron the
west via Audubon Road, the east via county Road 17 and the northvia Park Drive from Highway 5.
Site Plan Anendments
The applicants are preparing a revised site plan that is designedto afford slight nodifications in the interest of improving site
screening and buffering for the PUT Property to the rrest. Planscall for shifting the stacking lanes sone 5 ft. further to the eastto provide additional setback area. This setback area vill be usedto allow for an expanded bern which along with a dense hedge
Planning ComrnissionVehicle Inspection Station
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planting uil,l provide a 5-7 ft. high screen for the PttT property.
Summarv
Staff continues to support the approval of the vehicle inspectionstation in the Chanhassen Business Park as requested by theapplicant. The additional data we have gathered confirns ourbelief that the IoP district is the appropriate one for this typeof use, that it can be acconmodated vith little or no off-siteirnpact and that concerns raised regarding this use have proven tobe largely unfounded based upon the experiedces of othercommunities. we rrish to note that the applicants have beenextrenely cooperative in working with staff to provide additionalinformation to resolve the issues that rrere raised. Based upon theforegoing, staff is again recornrnending approvat of requestsassociated with this application. Fortunately rrhen thisapplication was initiaLly revierred, staff anticipated that it rnightbe required to come in as a conditional use perrnit and uasaccordingly published as such in the official nehrspaper. Thus thecity is in a position to act on the gup, the sitL p1an, and theordinance arnendment. At this tirne, staff has not yet received anapplication for subdividing the parcel. There is no requj.renentthat the property be subdivided since at this tine the site is onelarge lot. However, we do believe it is the current ownerrs desireto. split the property in two so that an office building can bebuilt on the future l-ot created to the east. Staff expectL to seea subdivision request processed as a fo1low up to this action inthe near future.
STAFF RECOMMENDATTON
Staff recommends that thenotion:Planning Connission adopt the following
I SITE PIJAN RSVIEW
rrThe Planning Commission reconmends approval
#90-9 as shown on the site plan dated Augrustthe foll-owing conditions:
of
10,
The applicant nust provide roof top eguipnent screening forapproval by staff. screening nust be of materials conpatiblewith the bui1ding.
The applicant must subnit revised screening for the masonrytrash enclosure conpatible with the building exterior andadditional landscaping around the proposed duipsters.
The applicant must obtain a sign pernit prior to erecting anysignage on site.
Site PLan Review
1990, subj ect to
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3
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4 The applicant must revise the landscaping plans as reconmendedin the report to provide inproved screening. Provide staffwith a detailed cost estimate of landscaping to be used incalculating the required financial guarantees. These
guarantees nust be posted prior to building pernit issuance.
The applicant shatl obtain and conply with aII conditions of
the watershed District.
T)T)e fII erosion control shal1 be used along Park Road and
added to the north and east portion of the site. slopes
steeper than 3:1 will require wood fiber bfankets and r}rpe III
erosion control . The applicantrs engineer shall subnit 10year stonn flow calculations for the site. This nay regulatethe location of the connection to the existing storn sewerfacility.
A concrete industrial driveway apron rrith a minimum radius cutof 20 feet shall be constructed at the entrance off of Park
Road.
5
6
7
8 Revise the plans to provide an additional 5teh rrrest property line while extending
landscaping to the north.
foot
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ZONING ORDINANCE IITEITDI,IENT
Planning conmission reconnends approval of zoning ordinance
Amendment allowing vehlcle testing stations as conditional uses in
the IoP and BH Districts.rl
III. IIIEDRATAIJ OF ORIGINALLY APPROVED AITE PIrllI
'tThe Planning Cornmission reconnends the uithdrawal of approval ofSite PIan No. 89-8 for the Rome office building, concurrently with
the approval of site Plan No. 9o-9. The applicant should file the
notice of withdraual against the property at carver county. ri
IY. CONDITIONAI, I'88 PERNTT
rrThe Planning Coromission reconnends approval of the conditionaf usepernit for the vehicle testing station subj ect to the following
conditions:
conpliance rrith conditions of site Plan #90-9.
Emission control testing stations - Authorized
emissions and/or safety nonitoring required by
Minnesota provided that:
to undertakethe State of2.
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b
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the operation is under contract agreenent with the Stateof ltinnesota to provide these servicesi
no repairs are perforned on the site,
no gas or parts are sold on the sitei
s all vehicle stacking shalldesignated lanes. Fire 1anes,drives shaII be prohibited. tr
be provided on-site inparking areas and other
ATTACIIUENTS
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2
3
4
5
6
7
Locations of stations in Maryland and ftlinois.Illustration of vehicles needing testing.Staff report dated Septenber 5, 1990.Letter fron applicant dated Septehber 26, LggO.
Carbon Monoxide Analysis and Traffic Inpact Study.Noise and carbon non6xide evaluation stiray.Planning Comrnission ninutes dated Septenber S, L990.
no outdoor storage of vehicles or related naterialsi
no diesel testing to be allowed at the sitei
state and federal air and noise standards sha1l beconplied with. If problens are found to exist, theproperty orrner shall be required to pay for any testingdeened to be required by the city to clarify thesituation;
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c1o.. to lrtJ or lnt.rr.ctlonlon burlnau. t{eJorlty ot land
A3 you crn raa the vart DeJotlty of our trollltlor havc rxprrlcnccdgrotth tn th. lnnodlate ar.! or adrrc.nt to our DroD.rty. Ourpr...nc3 hr. not rtllllaal grorrth or davaloDr.nt.
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whlch har r..t.urentr and a conttruct1; ueod to Eror oorn.
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Etr.t16 Woodrlvorr l,ocated ln a burlnr.. ar.! wtth r iloppingc.ntar locrtaal asrorr th. rtra.ts and varlour rnall burlncrreurroundlng our teolllty. Therr burln.rr lnolud., a rporttng goodstor., Jltty luba & dootorrr olllcrr. ln tha pa.t y.!r a bank har
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cerroll County, ?lnkrburg, rnrral lrcl, no change lronopcnlng dry ln 198a.
Harford county, lor.at H111, rural ar.r. In l9B{ therc
war a tood rtor6, doctor.a otflcc and a catalog etore.lfhoro aro nov Dor. olflce butldlnge rlthln tho block,
andl racantly acroaa tha atraat tror our €xlt, e lerg.onc-atory Nursr.ng llol. haa becn bullt. Th.t. .ld.rlypeoplo take ualks end hava oftcn rtoppod to trll ourlanaE.r hor rell the plaoe look. (grarr, tror andrhrubr ) ,
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and a triuck/crano butinara on thr rldc,/baox of ouretatlon. glnc. 1984, the tnrclq/cranr burl,nc.l haa beanroplacod rlth a rholoral. ol1 burinorl - nrat andol.an. Apartlantr lcrora Urc road hevc baan raDodal.d.lllthln th. bloct arra thGr j,r a no eDonald.,xentucky Frlcd Chlckon, and Convrnlcnoc stora.
BaltLDor. County, 6rlvo Road, a d.id .nd road at th.tlne ot our openlng tn 1984, ylth .tonE. bull,dlng
next to our .tatlon. ltrlr aoad Ir noy a {-len. road toa rhogplng oentor. Sev.rrl burinrrrrl hrv. opcnedrincr 1981r a rcafood retall carry-out, llrrchant I rtlrs and 8rryLco c.nt.r .nd Lvltt fi|rnltut..
Elllcott Cltt'. Tlrere ua. a Ponthc D.aI.r aoroi. th.ltraat and ncxt doot ual a llanutacturlng bu3lne3. vh.nur oprnod ln 198{. A larEa oolplox lor doctort,l.uy.r. end burlnor olllcer ha. bo.n bullt brrldr ourpropsrty, and tro largr olflcc bulldlngr ar. a block.rray. A U8 Polt Offlc. hr. b.an crcctcd oh tlr.opporlto corD€r froD our atttlon.
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Annapolk. Itrqr9- r!r, and .t1.11 18, an Indu.trlal parkln thr back of thr rfatlon are" ihon u. opcned $ ---'
198a. ElncG th.n, a larg. offlcc bullrtln!-ufitr a'-UanXha. be€n bullt on onr cotner. thr rlopptig cirit.r--"".croBa thc rord ha. purcharcd land to- inlirgt th-centGr out to Be.tgat6 Road.
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Cllnton. nh.n u. op.n.d ln 198a, thrro uar only !n 84LulbGr coEpany nar(t door, and a'achool eorotr ihretrcct. Slnco thon, thcrr havc boon a aotcf, a - -
coody.ar Eirc and Sen l,c. C.ntcr, a ConvGnlant Stort,rnd an Auto Ingurrnc. Clah crntir bulft tn i Ui""i-'ar.a. In the next block thorc 1g nor a Bhopplng centerwlth a t cDonaldr, conv.nL.nt stori, errniini-i.ioa;-'---.tc.
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capitol Hclghtr.. ftrl. .tetlon hat had a gr.!t Erorth.our corner lot had oth.r bu.tncrrrr llkt'Cooa 6ofa,- USPoatal Scrnrlcc, ttarks (Dlscount prlco Club) , md-i;fa;t!y: tlou, n.rt dtoor t9 thr rlEht, u. hevo i'largrolflco turnlture/eupply coopany inA aciorr th. Btr..t1r-! n-anrr cotp.ny, a .toraE. colpeny, a blke .hop enda b.ruty rupply rtor.. Brhlnd th. stitlon lr a toirel
:ypply.conpany_and a palnt .tore. nro lotoii, Iclrcu,'t Clty - electron1cr and rcvcrel fart fo6d outlrd,ghav. b..n bullt ono block north of thi ,taalo;.
l{"TlgoTery eounly, O.lthereburg. Ihlr .tltlon rasDultE ln op.n fteld ncar Rout. 121 . BC bullt tho roadln to our teet rlto .and ler.r turn.d tnfi-ioaa -ovii-io
Ipltg?".w-County_afttr tholr acccptancr approvel. Atth. tlre of our l98a op.nln9, no burlnor iir ln thotuo block u.a ol our rtetton. tlrv burln.aa.. on thcrlsht ar. tour dtffc-rcnt autorotfvr iipiii-ii"pl, liclarge truck rcpalr .hop, tro tlro rhopi, an euloiottvrpalnE tnop, a tranBllarlon rrpalr ahop, e prlntlns andcopy .tor., err Rv rcprlr rhop, a notoiiyoli rroifi - -
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_rErt,'an carrlT-qug rhop, allk tloscr .torQ, chln[onestaurrnt, borr and--ln. .tora, I.tltrrt rif i[op,-acarPrt .tor., a prlntlng copanjr, Haryland fatliirai
^Bank and . photogrrph rf,op. ihrii are- aevcral othorDu.lneote. ln thr nrxt blockr frol our ttatlon.
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HontgoD.ry County, Brlggt Chan.y. thl6 Etatlon 1a ln acirotc Auto Park. When ie opened in I9B{, thr clrclcuaB two thlrdt colrplotcd. Aitrr rt opanoi, four noredcalcrrhlpr op.ncd- rt th Blttf beBlde oirr ctitlon on Ehcl.ft end a c.r uaBh on tht rlght. tt tho rrar rlght lel{ldas Hufflar, illf fy Lubo, and U.rctlantr. TlrcScrvlco. Acroa. tht road at our .xLt raveraltownhoutcr hava ba.n built. thara are planr for achlld alaycar. ccnter on tho next oornoi. On th. corn.roppo.l-ta ldarchentrg rlre Stor. l,t a ncs Exxon rtatlonrhlch l. the corner o! a largc chopplnE c.ntar, ylth
llardeeB, Ilendyrr, l{ontgotlary Donut , banl., e pgtItort, raatauranta, atc.
Rlch, I hopt thlt utll hrlp. other thtn our Carroll countytest Blte, Dost strtlonr hav. had rovoral butlnrrrrr bulldaround thG open qraa. l{any of thceo atoraar/ahops s€e! tohave an lncrearc ln tholr burlncrc.
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BACKGROUND
on october 4, L989, the Planning CoEDission revierrred an applicationfor Site Plan Revieu #89-8 for the Rone Office Building. The saneapplication was reviewed by the City Council and nas approved on
October 9, 1989. The site plan that was approved for Rone officebuilding showed a future expansion to the site in the fono of afree-standing 17,000 square foot officelwarehouse building locatedto the rirest. The application being reviewed calIs for a newstructure on the site of the proposed additional building. Theprinary structure approved by the City in october has not beenconstructed,
The application in front of the Conmission today !riI1 change theapproved proposal for Rome Office Building dranatically. Theproposed vehicle inspection station site wilt invalidate the RoneOffice Building site plan by creating setback variances, parkingvariances, and also there night be irnpervious surface coveragevariances. Therefore, to consider action of approval of thevehicle testing station is dependent upon cancellation of approvalfor the Rome Office Building site plan approval . Staff has metwith Rornan Roos, the owner of the site. Mr. Roos is fu1ly ar^rare ofthe situation. He anticipates requesting approval for a snallerbut sinilar building on the original site.
PROPOSAL,/ SUMMARY
On JuIy 1, 1991, the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA) wil]require all vehicle owners to test the 1evel of hydrocarbon (HC)and carbon monoxide (CO) that their vehicle produces. Theapplicant is working to establish 11 sites within the seven countynetro area of which one is Chanhassen. The applicant's firrn ilcontracted rrith the state to provide testing services for a 10 yearperiod. They will be the sole provider of required testingservices. The Chanhassen site is one of the required servicelareas under the state contract to adequately serve the uetro area.The procedure starts by sending notices to a1I car owners to testtheir vehicles within 90 days of receiving that notice. A studywas conducted by the applicant and it is predicted that 95t of thevehicles within 5 roiles of the site rrill be using that 1ocation.The site will be built to acconmodate 158t of the car populationuithin the area. A car population forecast for the yeai iggg wasused for that study and a netuork rras buil.t to sui€ that. carswill be tested by being driven into the building and hooked intotest- equipnent. cars that fail the test are required to beserviced and retested for compliance. Servicing lritl not beprovided on-site.
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On site air quality studies will be conductedpollution does not exceed standards. ThesesubDitted to the ltPcA on an annual basis.
to ensure thatstudies witl be
The proposed building will be equipped nith nachines that wiltnonitor the level of co and a supply fence which functions as afiLter to get rid of CO. The proposed building will be locatednorth of Park Road of which access will be obtained. The area ofthe proposed building is 4,042 square feet. The parking area isproposed to occupy a portion north of the proposed building. Thesite plan is well designed. Access, grading, drainage andutilities do not pose any problerns. Some minor nodification to thewalkway that links the parking lot with the buiLding has beenrequested by staff. Site landscaping is generally of high quality,although staff is requesting some changes on the plan where itabuts Park Road to screen vehicles entering the inspectionfacil itlz.
The proposed zoning ordinance anendnent will altow vehicle testingfaciLities to exist in Industrial Office park Distri.cts as apermitted use. At the present tine, the ordinance does not
accornmodate this use since it did not exist at the tine it wasdrafted.
The subdivision request is a netes and bounds subdivision. ThePlanning Commission does not need to act on the subdivision requestas it is a rnetes and bounds request. Staff did include theinformation so that the PLanning Conrnission rrould be aware of therequest. The lot split will result in creating a 74,166 squarefoot Iot. There are no variances attached to either the site planor subdivision requests. Staff is recommending that the requestsbe approved subject to appropriate conditions.
GENERAL SITE PI,AN /ARCHITECTURE
The site is located north of Park Road. The building is situatedparalle1 to Park Road where access is gained. Parking is locatedto the north of the proposed building. Materials used on thebuilding wilL be 4n x 8rr face brick accented by 4rr x 8rr accents.Prefinished metal overhead doors will be used on the west, east andnorth elevations. The najority of the site witl be screened frouroff-site views by landscaping and a proposed berm to the south ofthe site. The building architecture Deets the standards of thesite plan ordinance requirenents. The applicant is showing theroof top equipnent extending 33 feet above the roof level .Equipnent will be screened uith Detal panels painted to Datch thecolor of the overhead doors. Staff is reconnending that theequipnent be painted to match the color of the building. picket
fencing is not considered to be acceptable screening. It shoutd bedesigned to be cornpatible with the building exterior. The
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applicant is showing the trash enclosure screened by a chain linkfence. Staff is requiring that 100t screening be provided for thetrash enclosure area. It should be constructed of nasonrycompatible with the building.
PARKING/ INTERIOR CIRCUI,ATION
The cityts parking ordinance does not address faciLities such asthe proposed. The Dost sinilar operation is vehicl.e servicestations which requires 4 parking stalls per service stal1s. Thisuse will have 3 bays. The applicant has nanaged a large number oftesting facilities around the country. Staff believes that the
nurnber of parking spaces provided is adequate. The applicant isplanning to have 7 employees on site. Fourteen parking staIIs areprovided and one handicap stal1. Staff does not anticipate seeinglarge numbers of cars parked in the area. Staff net with theapplicant and was inforned that the rnaximun time for a car to spendon site is two minutes. The Engineering Departnent has requeiteda rninor change to the parking area layout. It is reconmended thata sidewalk or other designated walkway systeD be provided withhandicap ranps to establish a safe pedestrian travel way betweenthe parking 1ot and the building as shown on the attached sketch.This walkway pfan would elininate one parking stal1, however, thesubmitted site plan proposes 3 more than the ninimun requirenents.
ACCESS
I,ANDSCAPING
The plans propose one 25t wide curb cut to enter the site fron park
Road. The drivevrays are proposed to be built to city standards.The radius of curbing at the entrance should be a rninlnun of 20r.The number of curb cuts on park Road was an issue for staff duringthe approval of the Rorne Office Building. staff argued against theplacenent of 2 curb cuts to naintain traffic safety. Ultinately,the applicant uas alloued the tr,ro cuts but the resteln entrance wasintended to serve both buildings being proposed. The rresternentrance is general.ly located in the vicinity of the curb cut beingpresently proposed. Staff finds the current proposal acceptableonly if the parcel renaining in l.tr. Roos I contr;t Lt ttre cor-ner isall.orded to have only 1 curb cut on park Road. It will have asecondary access on Park Drive. An appropriate restriction shouldbe placed in the chain-of-title of that lot.
?he. lands-ca-ping plan is rreLl conceived. Staff is requestingadditional landscaping on the south and west of the sitE. TrroberDs are proposed to the south and the southwest corner of thesite. Those benns are proposed to be at a height of 2 and 3 feet.Staff is requesting that those berns be extended and made { feethigh so that they can provide better screening of vehicles waiting
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their turn for inspection as they enter the inspection facility.
The berns should be extended along the Park Road exposure and alongthe west property line to help buffer the adjacent PMT site. Underthe revised ordinance, financial guarantees for Landscaping andother site improvenents are required.
The site generally drains to the northeast and north into a wetlandlocated to the north of the site. A snall area of the southeastcorner drains to Park Road. The proposed grading plan naintains aconsistent drainage pattern rrith the present condition. Slopesalong the north and northwest portions of the site appear to beslightly greater than 3:1. fhis wiLl require special slopestabilization heasures such as wood fiber blankets and Type IfIerosion control . A stontr sewer systen consisting of two catchbasins is proposed to be constructed and connected to an existi.ngtrunk storm sewer extending along the northern border of the site.
?he najority of the site is proposed to be graded. The applicantis proposing to use Type I silt fence or erosion control to thesoutheast and north portions of the site to mininize erosi.on.Staff is reconmending that DT)e fII erosion control be used.
PUBLIC UTILTTTES
city seuer and uater are available on Park Road. Fire hydrants areavailable on the southerLy side of Park Road. The Fire }larshalindicated that those fire hydrants will be sufficient to servicethe proposed building.
LIGHTTNG
Lighting locations are illustrated on the plans. Only shieldedfixtures are allowed and the applicant has denonstrated that thereis no nore than .5 foot candles of light at the property line whichneets the ordinance requirenents.
S TGNAGE
The applicant has submitted a signage plan. One nonumentidentification sign is proposed at the west of entrance to thesite. The area of nonunent sign is 35 square feet and is 5 feet inheight. The ordinance allows an 80 square foot display area and a
naximun height of 8 feet. The applicant roust obtain a sign permitprior to erecting the sign on site. One stop sign nust be posted
on the driveway access to Park Road.
GRADING/DPEINAGE
COI{PLIANCE TABI,E . IOP
ordinance
Building Height 4 stories
Building setback N-10 ' E-1oi
s-30 | w-10 |
Parking stalls 12 stal1s
Parking Setback N-30 ' E-10'
s-N/A W-10 |
Lot Coverage 708
Lot Area 1 acre
Variances Required - Done
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s-49 | W-114 |
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N-51r E-44 |
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PARK AND TRAIL DEDTCATION FEES
The City is reguiring that park and trails fees be subnitted inlieu of park land. Fees are paid at the tine building penoits arerequested. It should be noted that a future sider.ralk will nostlike1y be constructed within the north boulevard of park Driye.The applicant should be advised that no signs or other structureswill be pernitted within the City right-of-way.
METES AND BOUNDS SUBDIVISION
The applicant is requesting approval to subdivide 3.953 acres intotwo Iots. The subject site will have an area of 1.7 acres. Theapplicant nust provide the typical utility easenents of 10 feet infront, 5 on the sides and 10 feet to the rear of the site as thereis an existing storD ser,rer 1ine. The planning Commission does nothave to take action on the subdivision request as it is a netes andbounds subdivision and uill be acted on by the City Council.
ZONING ORDTNANCE A}IENDMENT
Staff is proposing the following ordinance aDendDent that uoufdallow vehicle testing stations in the IOp District:
LBendnent to Article XXII, IOp, Industrial Office park District.Section 2O-AL2 pemitted uses.
13) Vehicl.e testing stations authorized to undertake eroissionsand/or safety nonitoring required by the state of t{innesotaprovided that:
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a)the operation is under contracted agreenent with theState of l,[innesota to provide these servicesi
no repairs are perforned on the site; and
no gas or parts are sold on the site.
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STAFF RECOMMENDATION
Staff recoruoends that the Planning Cornrnission adopt the followingnotion:
I. SITE PI.,A REVIEW
rrThe Planning Cornnission reconmends approval of
#90-9 as shown on the site plan dated Aug"ust 10,the fol.lowing conditions:
Site Plan Review
1990, subj ect to
1 The applicant must provide roof top equipDent screening forapproval by staff. Screening nust be of rnaterials compatiblewith the building.
The applicant nust subnit revised screening for the llasonrytrash enclosure conpatibLe with the building exterior andadditional landscaping around the proposed durnpsters.
The applicant nust obtain a sign pernit prior to erecting anysignage on site.
The applicant nust revise the landscaping plans as recornmendedin the report to provide irnproved screening. provide staffwith a detailed cost estinate of landscaping to be used incalculating the required financial guarantees. Theseguarantees must be posted prior to building pernit issuance.
The applicant shall obtain and conply with all conditions ofthe Watershed District.
Type III erosion control shall be used along Park Road and
added to the north and east portion of the site. Slopessteeper than 3:1 will require wood fiber blankets and Type IIIerosj.on control . The applicantrs engineer shal1 subnit 10year storn flow calculations for the site. This nay regulatethe location of the connection to the existing storD serrerfacil ity.
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II. ZONI}TG ORDINANCE AI,IEND!.IENT
trThe Planning Conmission reconmends approval of Zoning ordinance
Amendment allowing vehicle testing stations in the IOP District.i'
III. TITEDR.AWAL OF ORIGIIALLY APPROVED SITE PI.AN
trThe PLanning Corflnission reconnends the withdratal of approval ofSite PIan No. 89-8 for the Rome Office building, concurrently withthe approval of Site Plan No. 90-9. The applicant should file thenotice of rrithdralral against the property at carver county. rl
ATTACH].IENTS
Roroe Office Building approval .
l{eno fron Charles Folch dated August 30, 1990.systens control operation overvien.Site plan for inspection facility.
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Syslems Control
755 N. Mary Avenue. Sunnyvale. California 94m5
Tel (408) 738-7400 Telecopier (4o8) 733-s255 SC
5275 Edina lndustrial Boulevard. Suile 208, Edin6, Minnesotr 5939
Tel (612) 897-1232 Fax (612) 831'0652
Septembcr 26, 1990
Mr. Paul Krauss & Ms. Sharmin Al-Jaff
City of Chanhassen
690 Coultcr Drive
Chanhasscn, MN 55317
re: Systcms Control's Inspection Facility
Case #90-9
Dear Paul:
This lcttcr is in responsc to thc sevcn staff recommcndations for changes to the site plan
for the Syslcms Controls Inspcction Facility contained in your report to the Planning
Commission dated September 5, 1990. I will also address other changes we will
incorporalc to providc additional buffcring bctwcen us and the PMT Property.
Thc first itcm conccrns screening of roof-top equipment. Systems Control will either
paint thc roof top units to match the buildings or provide a material screening whichever
thc staff recommcnds.
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Thc sccond staff recommcndation was to provide a masonry trash enclosure with
landscaping. This also will be done. The masonry will cover the three side and a chain
link gatc will bc providcd for thc acccss.
Thc third itcm conccrns thc signagc on thc sitc. We will obtain the permits rcquircd and
providc thc appropriatc signage.
Thc fourth itcm rcfcrs to thc landscaping. I am providing a draft mpy of the landscaping
plan. It will bc incorporatcd into thc landscapc drawings from thc architcct. Thc addition
of a longcr and largcr bcrm will shicld the street and the adjac€nt property to the
southwcst. Additional screcning to lhc southwcst will come from the hedge row ptanted
on the bcrm. Systcms Control will providc thc rcquired financial guarantee for this
landscaping. The initial estimatc of this cost if $15,000.
As to items five and six concerning the compliance with any conditions imposed by the
watcrshed district, Type III Erosion control, and ten year storm flow calculations, these
will be pcrformed.
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we shall also comply with.
I am enclosing: I) The draft rcvised sitc plan with landscapinr. r )Air quality study
pcrformcd hy Dr. David Braslau showing compliance with State and Fcdcral ambicnt air
quality standards which also shows some traffic impact. 2) Noise study performed by Dr.
David Braslau showing compliance with state noise standards. 3) The Resolution #6363
for the White Bear lake site. 4) A status matrix for the ll stations network.
If you have any questions or comments, please call, so that we may resolve any issues.
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Please flnd enclosed our report evaluatln8 trefflc and cerbon nonoxlde lEPacEs
assoclated wlth the follorlng flve vehlcle lnsPectlon statlons ln the Tuln
CItles Hetropollten Area:
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The study ls based upon the ebsoluE€ yorst case proJectlon of trlfflc wolunee
assoclated rllth the lnspectlon stltr.ons. The lcvcl of actlvlty assuned Ln
the enclosed study ls expected to occur uhen the end of th. nonth fa115 on !
Tuesday. Slnce the sEetlon ls closed on the neekend and l{onday, this day cap-
tures norrnal end-of-nonth vlsltors as well as those uho have not had an oppor-
tunlty for three days to cone to the stetlon. Durlng the .rest of the nonth,
statlon-generated trafflc volumes vllI be ue11 belon those asstrtred ln the
study. Therefore, the p'olected trafflc and carbon Eonoxlde lnpacts contalned
ln the enclosed study represenc uorst case levels Gxpacted onlv once or twlce
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Please 1et ne know if you have any questlons conccrnlng, the teport or thc
flndlngs contaLned ln thc rcporE.
Slncerely,
Davld Eraslau
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SysteD Controls, Inc.
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RE: Alr Quallty Report for FIve Eplcenterg ln Tuln ClEl.3 lletro Area
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by
Davld Braslau Assochtes, Inc.
Augusc 1990
TAILE OF CONTENTS
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INTRODUCTION
BASELINE TRAFFIC (1992)
STATION -REI.ATED IRIPS
TRAFFTC I!{PACTS (1992)
BASELINE CARBON I{ONOXIDE LEVEIS
CARBON I{ONOXIDE II{PACTS
CONCLUSIONS
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03 ' WHITE BEAR IAI(E (Regional tocarlon)
05 - OAXDALE (Reglonal lrcatlon)
08 - CHANHASSEN (Regional LocaElon)
09 - RICHFIELD (Reglonal LocaElon)
11 - SAVACE (Reglonal LocarLon)
- SHITE BEAR IAKE (Generellzed Neruork/Daily Trafflc)
- OAI(DALE (Generallzed Network/Datly Trafflc)
- CHANHASSEN (Generallzed Necworkr/Dally Traf f ic)
- RICHFIELD (Generallzed Netrork/Dally Trafflc)
- SAVAGE (Generallzed Nerwork/Dally Trafflc)
Trafflc et IH g5/Cenrervllle Road (The l{eadowlands)
Trsfflc sE TH g5lcentervllle Road (Basollne 1992)
- lJllITE BEAR IAKE (Basellne Dally Trafflc 1992)
Trafflc et TH l20filnnehaha Avenue (Basellne 1992)
- OAXDALE (Basellne Dally TraffLc 1992)
Trafflc at TH S/Audubon Road (Basellne 1992)
- CHAMIASSEN (Basellne Daily Trafflc 1992)
- RICHFIELD (Basellne Dally Trafftc 1992)
- SAVAGE (Basellne Detly Trafffc 1992)
- SHITE BEAR IAXE (Proposed srerl.on layout)
- OAX.DALE (Proposed statlon layout)
- CHANHASSEN (Proposed atetlon layour)
- RICHFIELD (Proposed sEatlon layout)
- SAVAGE (Proposed sratlon layout)
- IJIIITE DEAR I4I(E (S carlon- generared Trafflc)
- OAIOALE ( Statlon- tenerated Trefflc)
- CHANIIASSEN (SreElon- gcner8Eed Trafflc)
- RICITFIELD ( S tarlon- gencrac.d Tnfflc)
- SAVACE ( S tetlon- g,rnlr.red Trafflc)
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Eplcencer
Ep lcenter
Eplcenter
EpLcenter
Eplcenter 03
Eplcenter 05
Epicenter 08
Eplcenter 09
Eplcenter 11
PM Peak Hour
PM Peak Hour
Eplcenter 03
PH Peak Hour
Epleenter 05
PH Peak Hour
Eplcenter 08
Eplcenter 09
Eplcenter 11
Eplcenter 03
Eplcenter 05
Epicenter 08
Eplcenter 09
Eplcenter 11
Epl.cenEer 03
Eplcenter 05
Epicenter 08
Epicenter 09
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LIST OT EKHIBITS
1.1
L.2
1.3
1.4
1.5
1.0 INTRODUCTION
The State of l{lnnesota 1111 be requlrtng vehlcle ,.nspccElon for
enlsslons beglnnLng tn 1991. Eleven (11) sltses or eplcentcrs w111 beIn the Twln CltLes Metropollten Area.
exhaust
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The Hlnnesota Pollutlon Control Agency ls rcqulrlng th6t an evaluatton
of potentlal Carbon Honoxlde (CO) lDpects essoclated rlth each of Ehe sltes be
perforEed to ensure that no adverse lnpacts on alr quallty arc creeted by che
lnspectlon statlons theEselves. The obJectlve of thls report ls to evaluete
CO lnpacts assoclated wlth the folloulng flve eplcenters:
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Eplcenter
EplcenEer
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03 . IJIIITE DEAR IAKE
05. OA(DALE
08. CHAN}TASSEN
09. RICHFIEI.D
11 . SAVAGE
lJhlle trafflc deta and proJectlons EusE be developed to perElt the
evaluatLon of CO lupects, these have been developed for eaeh of the slte Btudy
areas. However, slnce the prfuiary purpose of the report ls an evaluatlon of
potentlal Co lnpaccs, trafflc analyses have been perforued only es needed to
carry out the objectlves of thls report.
Ihe locatlon of eech of the above fLve sltes are shown ln Exhiblts
through 1.5. These background Eaps are taken fron llgdS-g.O jS_-$.1gtee tgS.
the Tr.,ln Cltles Hetropolltan Area (1990). A brtef descrlptlon'of each slte
presented be Iou.
Eoicenter 03 - IIHITE BEAR IAKE
Epicenter 05 - oAKDALE
The llashlngton County slte (Eplcenter 05) ulll be ln Oakdale at the loce-
tlon shonn tn ExhtblE 1.2. The Elte ls located in a corocrcial aree ln the
norEheast quadrant of the lnterscctlon of TH 120 rtth l{lnnchaha Avenue (or
10th St. N. eesE of TH 120). Thc rlEr v111 access ccntry Avcnuc and bc 1o-
cated betgeen coonerclal developEents on th. yesE lnd r frco John faclllty on
the souEheast.
Eolcenter 08 - CHANTIASSEN
The Carver County rlcG (EplcGnEGr O8) ytl1 be ln Charrtrer3.n rt the locr-tlon shorm ln Exhlblt 1.3. The rltc la located ln !n lndustrlal area elong
Park Road nhlch runs betireen Audubon Road and County Rold 17. To the rcst oi
the slte 1s Ehe Progress l{anklnd Technology CorporaElon. To the south of thc
slte across Park Road are Fluorwarc, Inc., llurphy l{achlnes, Energy ConErols,
lnc. and the Chanhassan l.skes Buslnees Cant.r.
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Bear Lake aE the locatlon shorrn ln Exhtbtt 1.1. The slce ls bounded on the
east by the Ineerstate 35E Rlght-of-ray and vlll access Centervllle Road on
the rest. Prlvate propcrttes are located both north and south of the slte.
Apartnent bulldings ere located rest of Centervllle Road ln che vlclnlty of
the access road to the slte.
sectlon 2.0 of thls Heoorandru presenEs che basellnc trafflc condltlonscxpected ln 1992 (one year efElr the staclons becone opcraltonal).
Sectlon 3.0 descrlbes Ehe trlps assoclated slth cach statlon.
sectlon 4.0 addresses trafflc l,pacts of eech statlon et the Eost crltl-cal nearby lnEersectlon (where turnlng EoveEents are avallablc) and dlscusseslnpacts on nearby roadways.
Sectlon 5.0 presents expected CO levels
each eplcencer.
at salected recepCor sltes near
Sectlon 5.0 escabllshes basellne CO levels expected tn 1992 t lthouE thestatlon. As part of thls effort, background co conc.ntratlon for each atatlonstudy erea, which w111 be added to roadray-related conccntraElons to yleld theoverall expecEed CO concentratlon, are derlved,
Sectlon 7.0 sunraarlzes the flndlngs of thls scudy end addressespllance viEh Ehe UPCA Anblent Alr QueIlEy Standards for Carbon t{onoxlde.
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one of the four Henneprn county sttes (Eplcenter 09) t ur be ln Rlch-fleld at the locatlon shown in ExhlbtE 1.4. ttrc ,itc nll1 bc located betueen77th and 78th (r-494 Fron.lgc Road) streeEs Just erst of 12Eh Avenue south.Ingress to the srte wlrr be froo 12ch Avenue soulh, uhile egress froE the sitewlll be to 77th street. Apartrent buildlngs are located boih cast and tese ofthe slte vrth sLngle faally restdentlel n;rth of the stte. l-494 la locatedsouth of the slte.
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- The scott county aite (Eplcanter 1l) wlll be ln savagc at the locatlonshopn ln ExhtblE 1.5. rc 1111 bc locaced on thc TH 13 sJuth Fronteg,c RoadJust east of Lynn Awenue (or county Road 3l). AccGE. to th€ rlBc virl Le froothe Frontage Road. A suall r.tall ccnrer 1g rocaEcd Just ucst of the atte.AperlEents and slngle faolly rcsLdenElal erc locatcd 3outh of th. slEe.
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2.O BASELTNE TRAFFTC ( 1992 )
The generallzed craffrc neEworks serving each stetlon are ehonn ln Ex-htblts 2.1 through 2.5. Avallable daily trefiic counts and lntersectlons forwhlch turnlng EoveEents are avallable are shorn in each of Ehese flgures.Turnlng Eove'enr counts for the TH 96/centervlllc Road and rH tzo/ l{lnnehahaAvenue lntersecclons vere obtalned frou the Eest Hetro DlsErlct of the !{ln-nesota Depart'ent of Transportatlon (HnDor). Turnlng Eoveirent counts for theTH S/Audobon Road lntersectlon t ere obtalned fron the lJest t{etro Dlstrlct ofl'tnDor. current r-494 ranp data neer 12th Avenue ln Richfleld and TH 13 traf-fle data vere also obtalned froo the lJest Hetro DlstrlcE of l{nDor, otherdaily trefflc counEs vere obtalned frou the counlles or cltlls ln rhlch theepicenter ls to be located.
It ls assrr'ed here thaE 70r of the trrps ere dtrected tolrerds th6 Gastalong TH 95 and ther 10r of Ehe dally trlps occur durlng th. pt{ prsk hour.lrlEh these essu,pElons, the pl{ paak hour trlps g.ncrat.dby the l{eadonlandsare shown ln Exhlblt 2.5a.
Applytng a grorch factor of 2t per year to th€ r{nDor 19g7 trafflc countsat thls lntersecElon and addtng the trlps froE rtre t{eadowlands of rhlt! gearylelds the 1992 basellne turnlng Dove,ents chorrn ln Exhtbtt 2.6b. Besellncdally trafflc tn 1992 on othcr roadueys is ahor.n ln Elhlblt 2,5c.
Eplcenter 05 - OAKDALE
Applying a Erouth fector of 2l per yeer to th. ttOOT 1988 trafflc countsat Ehe lntersection of rH 120 slth lllnnchaha Avcnue ylclds Bhe 1992 baselineturnlng DovenenEs shown ln Erhlbtt 2.7a. Dascllne datly trafflc ln 1992 onother roadways ls shown 1n Exhtblt 2.7b,
Eolccn er O3 Ifl{IT BEAR
The Basellne trafflc fot L992 essu,es coopletlon of rhe l{eedorrlands oflrtlte Bear, a uultluse resldentlal/coooerclal project to be located in thenorthi.rest quadranr of the lntersectlon of TH 9G eiEh centervllle Road. gased
upon the EAI.I for thac projecE, the d8lly trafflc volumes shorn in Table 2.1are expec ted.
TAILE 2.1
DAILY (TIJO.WAY) DAILY TRIPS
rHE }TEADOWIANDS OF gIIITE BEAR
To TH 95 EasEbound 2,790
Ilestbound 1,740
To Centervllle Road Northbound E70
Southbound 3,480
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- Applytng a groeth_factol 9f 2t per year to thr HnDOT 19g6 trafflc counesat the lntersectlon of TH- s-r'lrh Audubon h.oad ylclds rhe 1992 U"".iii!- r,rrr,f.,gEove,enrs shown ln Exhtbrt 2.9a. Baselrne daily trafflc in 1992 orr-oit.r ro.a-vays ls shown ln Exhlblc 2.8b.
EpLcenter 09 - RICHFIELD
_ As noEed ln Flgure 2.4, no turnlng noveEents arc avallablc for th. lnter-aectlons 1n the vlcrnrty of thrs staci;n. rtrua, only base rtnc -ca trrates ofdally trafflc along s tuiy area roadnaye are incLuded hcre in Exhlblc 2.9.
Eolcp ter 11
As noted ln Flgure 2.5, no turnlng Eove'ent3 are avellable for tho lnter-sectlons ln the vlclnlty of this rtetron. thus, only baselrne Gstl,oates ofdaily trafflc along stuiy area roadrays are lncluded here ln ExhlblE 2.1,0.
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Table 3.1 showg the flve eplcenters analyzed here t lth the nu.obe r oflanes per statlon and capaclty of the statlon I-n vehtcles per hour.
TABLE 3.I
STATION IANES AND HOURLY CAPACITY
EPICENTER I.OCATION NT'I{BER IANES HOT'RLY CAPACIfl
03 l{hlce Eear Lake 3 103 wph
05 Oakdale 4 lZ9
08 Chanhassen 3 g1
09 Rlchfteld 4 139
11 Savage 3 71
Layouts of each of the statr.ons being analyzed here are presenEed in Ex-hibj.cs 3.1 through 3.5.
The roaxinum expected trafflc volu-oes on adjacent roaduays during thepeak hour of operatLon (vhlch ls assumed here to oceur durlng the pM peak hourfor naxlmum lmpact) are shonn for each of Ehe sltes ln Exhlblgs 3.5 through3.10. Also shown are estlEates of datly Erlps on these roedrays.
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Eplcentcr 08 - CIIANIIASSEN
( S Eatlon- genereEed Trefflc)
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Eolcenter 05 - OAIOALE
TH 120 end Mlnnehaha Avenue (Pll Peak Hour)
Table 4.2 shows that lncreases ln turnlng DoveEentss
Minnehaha Intersectlon because of the statlon arc projected
i.s parEly due to the assunrptlon that trafflc can eccess
north and east.
at the TH 120 andto be soall. Thlsthe s lte froE the
Other area roadlrays (Dally trip lnpacts)
Area roadway dalJ-y trip lDpacEs are estlEated to be sna1l Gxcept for
GenEry Avenue on uhlch the staElon ls located. Thls toadway elready cerrles asnall voluue of trafflc and the soall lncrease due to the staElon shorrs up as
a relatively Large percenEage lDpact. However, no problens are antlclpated.
Table 4.2 suggest sooe raEher slgnlflcenc lncreases ln Eurnlng DoveEentsat this lntersectlon because of the statlon. Horrever, lncreases ln turntt
Eovements are small coupared rrlth Ehru uoveoenEs at the lntersectLon. It lsllkely thac northbound trafflc on Audubon Road ls hlgher than shown ln Table4.2 (vhich Is based on 1986 counts), and that the inpacEs of Ehe staElon are
Ilkel.y to be less percentagewlse and not greal enough to creete any probleEs
elonB thls roadway.
Other aree roadways (Dally trtp lnpacts)
The sane type of lnpact shot s up ln the dalLy trip lDpact €valuatlon,
slnce the dally trlps vere based upon the [nDoT turnlng EoveEents. Park Roaddally trafflc has been estlmared to be 3,300 ln 1992. Wlrh rhls relatlvelysnall volume, the eddlElon of 800 trlps by the. sEatlon has a relatlvely large(19.5t) lnpact. However,.the absolute volune Ls sEall and no problens are an-
tlclpated.
Eolcenter 09 - RICHFIELD
Area roadways (Datly trip lDpacts)
No P Peak Hour lEpects could be uade neer thc Rlchfleld sltG, Houewer,
the evaluatlon of dally Erlp lEpecEs shot s that ther. ls e lodcratc lDpact on
12Eh Avenue S. Total dally trlps reuaLn sell belou the capacttlcs of these
roadnays .
Epicenter 11 - SAVAGE
Lynn Avenue and TH 13 ( Pl{ Pcak Hour)
Trafflc vo h.rmes ac thls lntersecclon lre rsauEcd, frou awellable deta,
for the purpose of lEpact lnalysls on1y. They havc been derlved frol dal1y
trip lnfornatlon for TH 13 and assr.roed detly trlp values for oEhcr roadrays.
The estlnated 211 lncrease for thc northbound lcft and rlght turn DoveEents(representlng 35 vehlcle Eoveuents for each) does not ralse these to s levelthat should create probleDs et chls lntersectr.on.
Eplcencer 08 - CHANTIASSEN
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0
o
0
0
I
0
2
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thru
llaht
lotrl
l0l
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261
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224
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laa
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l3t
la53
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126
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lho
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lotrl
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!t5
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1575
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a2
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390
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fpt c.nt.t OS O.kd.I.
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l0
INTERSECTlON.Xltu.hrh^ a lf, 120
929
980
tls
1262
ll
t6ot
0
atl
a6
!t!
IT'ERSECTIOT !tA r r Auduboa
I
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
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0
o
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13
o
0
2
0
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IABLE 4.3
IHPACTS OF STATIONS ON AREA ROADI'AYS (DAILI TRAFTIC)
ROADWAY
STATION
TRAFFIC
BASELINE
ADT
TOTAL
ADT
STATION
PERCENT
Eplcenter 03 Whlte Besr
TH 96 W of Centervllle
TH 96 E of Centervllle
Centervllle Road
Eplcencer 05 Oakdale
Hlnnehaha I{ of TH 120
10Eh sr. N. E of TH 120
Gentry Avenue
EplcenEer 08 Chanhassen
Audubon Road
TH 5 E of Audubon Road
Park Road
Epicenter 09 Rlchfteld
330
495
495
1.12
1.93
18.37
220
80
1,100
840
560
2,
13,
3,
5
5
800
400
800
15, 700
21,100
7 ,200
18,900
25 ,200
2,200
15,920
21,180
8,300
19,230
25,695
2,69s
3,100
14,000
4,100
,140
,850
1.38
o.38
L3.2s
300
500
300
300
300
25.81
2.86
19.51
13.58
9.56
12 th Ave -
12th Ave.
froo 78th to 77 th
fron 77th Eo 76Eh
6
5
38
5.0 BASELINE CARSON UONOXIDE LEVEIS
tltll 5.1
roJtcEs ot co tlctcRout! DAIA
AtI SOmCE DA?I DIStAICI
03 D.tur. ch.cl ISP (d.!rult,l-69arl..rlnttoa A?.nu. 19at a .11..
03
Basellne carbon oonoxLde _leverg are th€ proJected lcvelg rn 1992, rnclud-lng background, wl.thout the vehiclc tnspectlon siaclon. co backgrouni levetshave been developed ,.n cooperatron rlth HrnnesoEe porlutron cJntror egencystaff. The source and dete of co background levers for each or ct. "pr".rrt.astudy areas are ldentlfled ln Tabl.e 5.1.
0!
09
ll
The tlEe adjusted background
presented ln Table 5.2.
l-a. a-tn
t.0 DF 5.0 ,F
I-9r /R.d 1o D.lr.1916 I 2.3 2.O
Ch.rL. Slah tchoot 19!a 2 l.!1.2
tlll or lDrtc. .tt. l99o r 6.3 a,2
t.lth Cov.nr.r ghs.ch l9!t 2 2.1 t.2
levels used ln the 1992 analysis are
O.ld.l. Shogplrla Ctr ISP
tE 212 EtS
xrtl of lDrtc. lts
I-359 stsdr (rlnDOD
03 l{hite Bear
05 Oakdale
08 Chanhaesen
09 Rlchfleld
11 Savage
5.4 ppu
1.6
1.0
5.4
L.7
The basellne CO concentretlons (1.G.
nlthout the statlon) for crltlcal r.ceptor
presented ln Table 5.3 and dlscussed balorr,
8 - HOI,R
4.0 ppn
1.3
0.9
3.6
1.0
prGdlctad 1992 conccntratLons
sltes ncar aach .plcenErr erc
1- HorrR
39
LOC rlOT
TABLE 5.2
ASSI'UED CO BACKCROI'I{D I.EVEI.S
EPICENTER
tllla 5.t
ItIDICttD C ttof tffitD! cc.cErtl.trtots
!...ll!. - lr92
ttrtric co (DF, !.e}.!o|lla (9F)
I Eou? I aou! I Sou"r
lor.l. (ppa)
I lous a Bou!I Bolt! a Eour..
,utur. l.t.tt (XU corn.!)
lurto'r. oll (rE coh.r,
lDGo (SE Co.n.r,
l.lrll (Sll Corn.r,
lplc.rt.r o!
lplc.nt.! 05
Unlon 76 (rIlJ corn.r]
t.r.doo OlI (NE Corn.!)
raoco (sE corn.r)
,'lcoon.ld'r (se Con.! )
Eplc.nt.r 0e
8oo. (Xll Co rn..,
CcErcl.r (sE Coin r)
lptccnt.! 11
l6co (SE Coh.r)
Drn t.tch (St Corn.r)
C.nt.rtll. Rd I lE 96
3.t l-!,,0
a.0 2.a l.!
t. t 2.t l.!
4,2 2.a 2.O
xrnn.h..hr I tg 120
6.t 3.!3.7
t.6 6.4 a.8
s.a t.!!.0
7-0 5.0 l.!
rS S I Audubon
0,t 0.t 0.4
2.0 1.1 o.t
rB l! a LFtn Av.
l2.t ,.a 3.2
t2.o a.,t.6
6.4 a.o
6.4 a .0
5,a a-0
6.a l,o
1.6 !.1
1.6 l. !
1.6 t. !
t.a t.!
t.0 0. t
t.0 0. t
t., !. o
t., 1.0
lr,t ,.o
1o.a 3.1
to.l 5. !
lo.a 6.0
t.5 5.0
to.2 a,l
,.a a,t
l-a a-!
t.t !.t
!.0 1,7
ta.a a.2
tl., l.a
IOC Str^d.!d
. a-hou! b.r.d oo Ddrll.it t-hour ttxr . 0., 9.!rtr!.ac. trclo!
.. l-hou! tor.I b.r.d on !-hou! rdjurt.d + a-bour b.cra&uld
lo.o t.o
-40-
' Basellne concentratlons are predlcted for both 1-hour and g-hour traeperlods for uhlch r{pcA a,brenc arr quarrty sEendards have been estatirsuea.lJhere PH peak hour trefflc is available, thlg has been used, Uherc oniy aaftytrafflc ls avarlabre, lt is assr:med thac 10t of thrs traffrc ".."i" i"ii.rg atr"PH peak hour. To eslr'ate 8-h<iur concentretrons, lt has been ass,ued thaE theaverage 8-hour trafflc on th-e type of roadvays evaluered ls 67t of the pH peakhour trafflc. This ls based upon a nuober of "trrdt." of arlerlal roadrrays lnthe Twln Cltles Hetropolltan Area.
Roadv,y concentraElons havc been conputed usrng the ltoBrLE 4 cnrgsronsoodel fron the us EPA and the CALTNE 3 dlspcrslon nodel froo californla whlehls approved by the us EPA and the ttpcA. rE ls essr.ued thlt 20t of Ehevehlcles are ln the cold starE oode and that everege speeds on roadways varybetween 25 and 40 nph. A rlnd speed of 1 Eeter per second blowlng'frou adlrectlon to yleld the hlg,hest concentraElon ac each rcceptor alte is -assrued.
Eolcenter 03 - WHITE BEAR IARE
The receptor slces eveluaced aE thls lntersectlon are:
FurLong O11 (NE quadrant)
AHOCO ScaElon (SE quadranr)Retall (Slt quadrant)
Future Retall (NW quadranE)
From Table 5,3, tt can be seen thet the uorst g-hour basellnetlon ls 7.0 pprn, vhlch ls relatlvely hlgh prloarily becausc of theassumed for background. Horever, this rcceptor and the otherproJected to have concenEretions belor tho 9 ppE g-hour scandard.
concentra -
hlgh value
three are
COn-
3 Ean-
From
centratlon
dard.
Epicenter 05 - oANDALE
The receplor slEes evaluated et thls lntersectlon arc:
Freedon 011 (NE quadrant)
AHOCO Statlon (SE quadranC)
HcDonald's ( SIJ quadrant)
Unlon 75 (NlJ quadranC)
Table 5.3, lt can be seen that the hlgheet 8-hour basellnels 5.1 and thaE s1l receptor slcrs are rrell below the 8-hour
Eolcenter 08 - GHANHASSEN
The receptor sltes evaluaeed at this lntersectlon tr::
Single farnlly residence (llu of lntersectlon)Industrlal faclllcy (SlI of lntarscctlon)
Frou Table 5.3, lt can bc gccn chlE th€ hlghesc 8-hour basellnc con-cencratlon ls 1.7 ppn, re1l belos the 8-hour stand.rd.
-41 -
6.0 CARBON UONOXIDE IHPACTS
The overall co concenEretron' ehlch rncrude thG i'pect of stsEron-related traffLc lrc pr.sonted ln Tabte 5.1.
Eolcencer 03 - IIHITE BEAR IAKE
The hlghesc 8-hour concentratlon la 7.4 ppn, vhlch rcflccta en lncrcescof 0.4 ppn due to che cxlsteflcc of thc gtatlon. rncrceael aE olher receptoraites range fron 0.0 to 0.2 ppn.
Eolcenter 05 - OAXDALE
The hlghest 8-hour concentreElon ts 6.2 ppn, uhlch reflccta an lncreagcof 0.1 ppu. Increages .t ochcr r.ccptor rltGs tr. also .!thtt.d to bc 0.1
PPI!.
Eolcenter 08 - GHAN}I,ASSEN
The hlghest 8-hour concentratlon ls stlll 1
Lncrease ln concenEratlon ls less thsn 0.1 ppE.
7 ppn, alnce the prrdlcted
Epicenter 09 - RICHFI ELD
Eplcenter 1l - SAVAGE
rt has been asst,ned thet four rovs of 35 vehlcles are queulng constafltlyduring the peak hour of the statlon, and Ehat Ehe ldre calsslons froo theslvehrcles are carrled cot ards the epartoent buildlng Jusc .est of the statlon.
some beneflc froE the epartDen! garage structure lDEedletely east of the ste-tlon ls assu.ned. Thls analysts ylelds a l-hour concentratlon of 8.6 ppn,
which vhen added to the assuned l-hour background (5,( ppn), yields an overallconcentratlon of 14.0 ppn. When compared ulth the l-hour sEandard of 30 ppo,lt can be seen chaE the level ls well belou the standard for this llne period,If lt ls ass'raed, under Ehe rorsc condltlon, Ehat 20 vehlcles queue ln 4 lanesfor an 8-hour period, an 8-hour concentretr.on of 3.4 ppn (ehlch assuEes theEthe elnd wlll noc blow steadily froE the sane dlrectlon for elghE hours) ispredicted fron the vehlcle queue. Added to the background of 3.5 ppE, theoverall projected concentratlon ls 7.0 ppn uhlch ls belor the g-hour standardof 9 ppm. Thus, even under uorst case condlEions, the edJacent apart'enE tssufficlently far belou the standerd that no signlficant lupacts are an-tLcLpared.
The hlghesE 8-hour concentratlon .t the Aloco 3lt.reflects an Lncreasc of 0.5 ppr due to thc cxtstenca of
creases aE the other receptor slEe ls only 0.1 ppn.
k 6.7 ppa, rhlch
th. itrtlon. In-
t3
ratll 6.t
IRTDICTEC C tl..N T0ToIIOE COICEllrI rtoNs
l.r.ll,n. Y, Strttod trrttrc - 1992
r.clalourld (DF)rlrtttc co (pF)
I Eosa t Soqt a Eout.
llpc.nt.r 03 C.nt.rvlll. ld I 18 ,6
tutur. L.r.t I (I9 Co!n.r),.3 l. !t.a
lurtoru Otl (trE Coru.!)t.2 2.1 2.O
ra.o (SE C6h.!)r. ! 2.,1.9
t.t.!t (Sl. Cornc!)l.l 2.9 2.0
EDlc.nt.! 05 Xlin.h.)rr 3 rE 120
Ualotr 75 (rs coh.t )6.9 5.5 !.t
tr..d@ (FE corn.r,1.6 ,,0 a.t
rDCo (sE corn.!)s.l a-l t.t
llcDo'l.Id" (SY Corn.!),.0 9.1 r.6
EDlcrnt.r 08 ll 3 t Audubon
8(.. (l{9 coh.r,o. t 0.5 0.1
C@.rclrl. (SE Cora.r)2.O 1.1 0.1
lple.nt.r 11 IE ll ! Lrur Av.
AEco (SE Corn.!)la.a a.t t.7
lo!.1 (sY Co!n.r,12.a a.1 a.,
tot.l. (tF)
1 Bour a lour l loo! a l@!..
6.4 a.0 t!.t ,-l
6.1 a.o to.a a.0
6.1 a.o 10., 5.t
6.1 a .0 lo.t t.o
t.6 t. t
t.a t.!10.2 a.2
!.5 t.3 ,.4 a. a
1.4 t.l 1.5 4.,
1.0 0.t t.a t.!
1.0 0.9 l. o 1.,
1., t.0 ta. t 4.,
1., !.0 la.l 3.,
to.o t.0tfc Sr$drrd
. t-hous b.rcd on Ed.ll.d !-boir! ttrr . 0.t ?.rttrt.ac. ltclot
.. !-hou! totrl bu.d on !-Lour rdru.!.d I l-brur Drct|rolrra
44
t.5 ,.1
Based upon the above analysls of traffic and COvlclnlty of the proposed vehlclc lnspectlon stetions,slons can be drawn.
concenEratlons ln thcthe follorrlng conclu-
Eolcenter 03 - IIHITE BEAR IAKE
Whlle the lncrease ln s tatl.on- re laced turnlng EoveEents Eay, llonB ulEhother developEenE trafflc, requlre soDe ElEigetlvc Eeasures at the lntersec-tlon of TH 96 utth Centervlllc Road, the hlghest prcdlcEed 8-hour CO concentre-tr.on ls 7.zr ppn, yhlch ls below the 9 ppo standard, The oaxl.uuo l-hour con-centratlon ls only 10.9 ppn, uell beloe the 30 ppn 1-hour standard. Thus. nosl.gni.ficanc alr quallty lnpects are predlcted for thls slte.
Eplcenter 05 - OAKDALE
An advantagc of thls rltc k thaE ebout 501 of the wehlclct D.y .cccssthe slte from che north and south, hence avoldtng the crltlcal lntersectlon of
TH 120 and Minnehaha Avenue. The raaxlnun 8-hour CO concentratLon ls prcdlctedto be 6.2 pptr, whlch ls belon the 9 ppn standard. The l-hour uaxlnuo (10.2
ppo) ls well below the l-hour standard. Thus, no algnlficant llr quelity fu!-pects are predlcted for thls Blte.
Eplcenter 08 - CHANH,ASSEN
It ls assumed that the slte nr.ll be accessed priuarlly froD TH 5 at
Audubon Road. Traffic on Audubon Road ls sufficlently low to accoonodete the
lncreased trafflc destlned to the slte wlthout probleos. The oaxluuu 8-hour
CO concentratlon ls predlcted to be only 1.7 ppo, rrhlch ls rell belon che 9
ppn standard. The l-hour tlaxlurln (3.0 ppn) ls also ue1l belon the l-hour stan-dard. Thus, no slgniflcant alr qualiCy lnpacts 6rc predicced for this 8lte.
Eolcenter 09 . RICHFIELD
The naxlntrn 8-hour CO concenEratlon ls predlctrd to be 7.0 ppD
edJacent aparEEent bulldlng. The predlcted l-hour concentraElon is 14.
Both of these are belos the HPCA eablenr air qualtty standards for COslgniflcant alr quallty lEpacts ere predlcEed for thls slte.
aC the
o Ppr.
and no
The aaxfuouu 8-hour CO concentratlon ls predicted to be 5.7 ppu, rhlch lsbelow the 9 ppo 3Eandard. The l-hour naxhua (16.1 ppn) le bclow thc l-hourstandard. Thus, no signlflcant alr quallty lEprct! are prcdlctrd for thls
slEe.
Eplcencer LL - SAVAGE
Based upon the enalysls of Ehls report, nonc of the flvc proposedvehlcle lnspectlon slteg exanlned er6 predtctrd to have algnlflcant rdverselEpacts on alr quallty ln Ehe viclnlty of the stltlona or ec crltlcrl r.c€ptorslEes located near lntersectlons uhlch serve thesc stsElons.
.ploE90. r.p 9oolr-01
7.O CONCITTSIONS
-b5-
APPENDIX A
1985 HC}I: SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS
SUI,IHARY REPORT
****************!t***************************!t****************************:i
INIERSECTION. .TH 96lcenrervtlle d
ARE.A TYPE.....OTHER
ANALYST.......dhh
DATE
TIME
voLultEsWB NB329 104673 75451 25L00
GEO}lETRY
LT
TH
RT
RR
EB
85
909
138
0
NB
L2.O
L2.O
L2 .O
12.0
L2.O
t2.o
SB
12.0
12.O
12. 0
12.0
L2.O
L2.O
L
T
T
R
E8
12.0
12 .0
L2.O
12 .0
12 .0
12.0
IJB
12.0
12 .0
12 .0
L2.O
12.0
12 .0
L
T
T
R
LT
TR
LT
R
GRADE
(r)
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
kv(r)
2.00
ADJ PRC PED.
Y,/N
N
N
N
N
BUI.
Eln T
19.8
19.8
31.8
31.8
A.DJUSTHENT FACTORSBUSES PHF PEDS
Nb
0 0.90 50o 0.90 500 0.90 500 0.90 50
ARR. TYPE
EB
UB
NB
SB
2.O
2.O
2.0
0
0
0
Nn
0
0
0
0
Y/N
N
N
N
N
3
3
3
3
PHPH-1
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
45
3 0
0
2
S IGNAL SETTINGSPH.3 PH.A
NB LT
TH
RT
PD
SB LT
rH
RT
PDO.O O.O GREENO.O O.O IELII)IT
CYCLE LENGTH . 105.01 PH.2 PH.3 PH-4
x
PHEB LT
TH
RT
PD
9B LT
TH
RT
PD
GREEN
YELI.oW
17.0
3.0
x
J(
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
25.O
3.0
7.O 0.0 0.03.0 0.0 0.0
GRPE
L
T
I.AN
LEVEL OF SERVICEc/c DELAY . IrS
EB
IJB
NB
SB
6
L7
4
35
14
6
R
L
T
R
LT
R
L
TR
0.513
o .425
0. 550
0.613
0.425
0.650
o .236
0.660
0. 330
0.236
24.
4,
37.
2L.
E
c
A
D
B
B
c
A
D
c
9
0
4
5
8
3
7
9
0
8
APP. DEIAY
t4. I
15. 8
13 .0
31.8
APP . [.oS
B
c
B
D
INTERSECTION: Delay - 17.1 (secrlveh) \/C - O.gZ2 LOS - G
o8/o6/9O
PH Peak 1992
COI.IHENT. ......\r/o EIH SEaclon
SB
225
74
44
0
x
\/c
0.192
0. 701
0. 155
0.920
0.519
0.510
0. 582
o .293
0. 753
0. 332
1985 HCH: SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS
SUM}IARY REPORT
r **************************************************************************
INTERSECTIoN. . TH 95lcenrervtlle d
AREA TYPE.....OTHER
_ ANALIST.. ... . .dhh
DATE .08/05/90
TIHE. .PH Peak 199 2
Co}1MENT. .. ....v/ EM Starlon
VOLI'MES
WB NB4L7 t26
673 75451 349
00
GEOHETRY
_LT
TH
RT
-RR
EB
86
909
160
0
SB
726
74
44
0
EB
12.0
12 .0
12 ,0
12.0
12.0
12.0
NB
t2.o
12.0
12.O
12 .0
12 .0
12 .0
SB
12 .0
L2 .O
12 .0
12 .0
L2 .O
t2.o
L
T
T
R
L
T
T
R
TIB
12 .0
12 .0
12 .0
12 .0
12 .0
12 .0
LT
R
LT
TR
HV(r)
2.00
2.00
2.00
2 .00
GRADE
(t)
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
ADJUSIUENT FACTORS
ADJ PKG BUSES PHF PEDSY/N No NbN000.9050
N000.9050
N000.9050N000.9050
PED. BUT.
Y,zN uln TN 19.8
N 19.8N 31.8N 31.8
ARR. TYPE
3
3
3
3
-EB LT
TH
RT
PD
UB LT
TH
RT
PD
GREEN
YELI,OIJ
LT
TH
RT
PD
SB LT
TH
RT
PD
GREEN
YEIJJOW
PH I GYCLE LENGTH - 105.01 PH.2 PH.3 PH.4
x
PH
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
J(
x x
25
3
45.0
3.0
17.0
3.O
0.0 0.0o.0 0.0
0 7.o 0.0 0.00 3.0 0.0 0.0
EB
IJB
NB
SB
13. 1
35. 1
IAN GRP .v/c
0.192
0. 701
0. 181
1.165
0.519
0. 510
0. 663
0. 392
0. 810
0.332
G/C
0.613
o..425
0.550
0. 513
o .425
0-560
o.236
0. 650
0. 330
0.2!6
E
L
T
R
L
T
R
LT
LEVEL OF SERVICE
DEIAY I'S
4.
129.
14.
2L.
APP. DEIAY
L4.6
42.6
6
L7
I
c
A
F
B
B
D
E
E
c
9
0
5
0
8
3
5
4
0
8
APP. LOS
B
R
L
TR
6
25
5
42
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(2) ll.!o ovrlrllrlng C0 .levrlr rG rh6 ptlt bulldtng
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Thl.c oeoorand,un dcscrtbcs and quantlfler th. no&. lcrrcls and nolse roiestonrlxpectcd froE th. proporld vrhl.cla rnrpccElon slta tn Ghenhersen, l{lnnasola.
The follorlng aourca3 ol nolcc can b. crpectrd:
(f) Vehlclec Gnlrrlnt and lceving th. frclllty
(2) Vehlcler nlElnE ln qucuo eg the factllr,
(3) Vehlclcr on thc dynaraora rer rlthln thr frctllEy
Each of thogc tra adilrcrecd ln thfu leoorrirdun.
lend Usc Class1flcatLon of Recelvlng ptoocrtlcs
The HinncsoEa ?olrutlon control Agency (HpcA) has rstabllsh:d nolsc lEendardsfor recelvlng rand u:c:. Ttrc IPCA tlolse st.ndrrdr (npc-2) 6rG lncludGd ln Ap-pendli A for conplctcness. rndlvldurl c.tGgortcs of lrnd u.cr are rl3t€drtrhln each of the lend urr clerslflcaclons for vhlch nollc standerds havc
been establlsh"d. Thr clorerr adJacent lrnd urc (pttr corpor.tlon) farrs under
Codr 35 Profctslonal , 3ctonllflc, end concrolllng lnrtrt&ants; phototrephlc
and optlcal toodri retchca tnd eloakr - rrnufecturlng. Thctcforc thi nolss
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vehlcree rlll be entrrlng thc frclllty fro! p.rk f,.oeat. Thr ptoJcctcd paelchour volune tr 8t vph. If eII of thcsc vahloht .nt.r trou tic rclt rnddrpart to th. r!BE, thr proJactrd round leverr rt thc cntrence to the prr cor.Poratlon bulldlng err chom ln Trblr 1. Alco rhovo arc thc UpCA rloL.c aGan-dards for eooroercl-aI (NAC-2) land utcr.
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IE can bc seen thet, rven durLng thr poek hour of th. f.€ltity, nol.rc lroovehlcles trevelLlng co and fron th. llcc vllr br 1o dBA bolov the stendardr.Nor,ally, 1r v111 bc rcIl belor thir lcvcl. .The lavcr of noi3G frol othcrtraffic on the roadr.y, rhtch lncludrr .oE. truck!, rl11 bc htEhcr Ehan ahacassociatld rith thr rtrtlon, rnd hrncq no noLr fuprctt fron thc:c vchlcleaare antlclp6ted. I
(2) Vehlcles Haltlng ln queqe at the factltry
vehicles ralting tn thc queuc rl11 br ldtlng. rt lr unllkcly thar a vehlclrrtlth a bad rnufflcr yould cone for lnapcctlon rlncr thc vehlclc rould berejected. Thrr?for!, notse frou ldllng vchtclcs rLll be .E or bclor thc aI-
ready exlstlng a-oblsnc lcvcl ln chc area. Ttrc aublant nol:c lcvcl ln thc rrerls cauaed by a nr:.aber of gourcer lncludlng IIVAC cquLpaenE and rosdt ey. taf-fic .
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Dynanonetrrr .r! ur;d Eo slEulata roadray condltlont during Etstlnt. Thtdynauooeters arG :,oc.t!d tpprorlElt61, 1! fcrt lnsldr thc GnErancG (ice Ex-hrbtt 1 rhlch shorr a four bay lrerlon - only thrcr bayc erc planned for thcChanhrlaan 3ltG.
Sound 1cvcl rradlngr hava bccn tek.n by Syrtrnr Control for r wrhlclc rlthell-rrcathcr Elrcr on r dlmanoueter. Ehllc thcrr err hlghrr then rould br tr-
pected for norral tlrGtr thalc levalr hevr brrn utGd to docenlnc nolcc lovcbln thc wlclnlEy of ihG Char rasren rltc. Ttrc readlnge hrvc bccn .dJurt.d fro!thr E!!t llte ac vhlch ttrcy rrrr Btk n to Ch. Cb.nlrr!!.n .1t..
Tro condltr-ons are shoyn IE Exhlblt 2. thc flrtt lr vlth only one d)menolrE.r
runnlng for eE lcaat 30 Elnut.r of an hout. fhc lrcond l! rlth tro
dyna.oooeters runnlng rfi llaneousll for the aeor 30 rlnucrr of any hour. Ttrlc
ls thr sorsE nolsc eondltlon Gxpoct.d at thc frclllty. ltolrG contours for th.
alnglc dynanoEcBer art thorn rr .olld 1lnt.r rhlh thorr for thc tro
dynrEooatara runnlng tluulEenrourl;r arc ahovn ar dsghcd llnrt.
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for et leasc 30 Elnutc3 of any hour end noi3iGr then ltorDll tlre!, Eh. I{PCA
standsrd 1! not exc..d!d rt th! ctot3st edJeccnt proplrty llne
facllity le cxpccEcd to conply vlth aEate aolrc rtanderds.
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ConcLus Lons
Based upon thlr cvtlurtlon of nolrr cul:rtonr froo thc proPoted vehlcla ln-
spectlon BLtE, no rlgnlflcent nolr. lEp6ct3 on surroundtng land uscr can be
cxpectad. l{hlle rooc soundr frou thc frclllty wlll be heerd pcrlodlcally
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t I Hourctold urdtr Qocluda frru horn) I'12 Oroup quutcn
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15 Trardrut lod3lagr : "19 Other rcsid.otltL NEC.
397 lvlofl66 plgtur! produdqo l
65 t Mcdlcrl ud othct hcelth rcrrbcr
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92 Nou.cooarccial lorcl developocat .93 Wrter rreet
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lJrs oPucal tood$ wrtchlr rld clocls - oruuhcturin3 -
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Reilrord, npid. $l taaslr, rlit nrt* nitity Eulportrtioa (!r-
cGpt 4113, 4l tr, 4122) '
Motor vchlclc trrorportattoa (crcrpt 4211,12L\ lllt, ltrft)
Alrcrr(t EurportrdoE (qcept 4!12, 431,t) ;
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i,.I:P-:1 :. lf",f,etd rrDi!.tt (,.sro8rerod trdtb0,qltr.Ba trrEbalt (prs!E3!t)
M.dn. tcrEhrb (prrscaler ud H3hg )
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Retril brd?- rutonorlvc, madae crfl drcnfi, rod rccrrorlerr(ctex t'ade - apparel rad eccasoricr
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Publtc sscabry (crc qi tzti tZZli
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Thlg-neoorandtu reports on thr flndlngr of a rtrpplcmntrl elrcooplcted for the propoeed Ctranlracsen \lchlci,r Inspectlonenalysts ras prcparcd tn rcrponsc to conc.rnt f!o! tha pHr co
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The carbon l{onoxldc 1.vGl ,"3 proJcctcd for thc rr.r ..sc of thr pHT corporr-tlon buildlng lEEedietely adJac.nt to thc ptoposcd rterlon .tEe. rhls eree lrwed for vchlcla parklng and 'picalc" teblea rrr loceted et thr norch cnd ofchc bulldlng,
For purposes of rorst case analytls, lt r.3 trrurrd thrt three qucucr ofvchlerea are locst.d along thc rrlt .ldc of thc ln3pectlon lltr, r;ittng tocntcr lhe lnspecllon fectl,lty. lhk ray occur only revercr tlnrr r ycar cndls unrlkely to lest for Eorc then rcveirl hourr drirlng cach of thcrl occur-lcnceg.
A concentretlon frou thr vchrcrc qucuc of 3,2 ppn her bren DredtcBed st th.'plcnlc" area. rf i conserr,eElv. brcktEound conccncrarlon of 2 ppn k eddcdto thl!, thc ovcrsrl concrntrrtlon rc Eh. aart of the pl{T corporatGn butldingla 5.2 ppo. -rhls corparar rlrh th. onc-hour stendrrd of 30 pia and the g-ho,ri
stenderd of 9 ppn. HovaveE r eincr perlonr cc irot ltkel, to ieoaln outrLdc ecthk locatl_on_ for elght houtr rnd thc qu.uc ia not 1li<c1y to la.r for uorcthen several hourr' thc onc-hour .r.ndrrd (30 ppr) rs appilcablc. rt c.n beseen thst the pEoJlotcd lc:ncb erc rrll belor ttrl onc-houi ,rand.rd.
Thc potcntl,al for hlgh co concantE.tlonr ln ttrc ptff corporetlon l{vAc lyrteD l!
-r"91!9d f roE rha 1.2 pp. kvo1, eincc rhe prhery Lnrlk.r are on toi of rhebulldlng snd not locatcd adJecen! to thG lnrp.ctlln rtrtlon rttc. Slncc thcc0 conccntrrtlon dlsperrea furthar rlth hetght, Lc l.r expectrd thrE the cocono.ntr.Elon ot rooftop Irwr1 wl.1r br 3 ppn o! 1.8r. Ttrlc k wcll brLor thr8.hour ctenderd of 9 ppl.
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CHANHASSEN PLANNING COIII,II SS ION
REGULAR t.lEETING
SEPTET{BER 5, 1990
HEHBE RS PRESENT:
Cha-irman Ccnrad called the meeti.n9 to order at- 7137 p.n
Ladd Conrad, Tim
Joan Ahrens
Erhart, Steve Emmings, Annette ElIson.
Brian BatzIi and
STAFF PRESENT:Paul Krauss, Planning Director; Jo Ann Olsen,Al-Jaff, Pl.anner 1; and Charles Folch, Asst.
Seni or
City Engineer-Planner; Sharmin
PUBLIC HEARING:
JERRY PERKINS OF POPE ASSOCIATES.OPERTY ZONED IOP. INDUSTRIAL OFFICd
RSEPARK ANO LOCAT E DAT T HE INTE CTION OF PARK ROAO AND PARK PLACE:
B. PRE H NARY T oT3 BLO K
PARK- sTH ADDITION INTO TI.IO LOTS;
c. s I TE PLAN REVIEI.J FOR A 4 .o42 SO ARE FOOT VEHICLE INSPECTIU
c USINESS
ON STATION.
PubIic Present:
Na[te Address
Barb & Russ Murphy
Roman Roos
Neci V- Ru kavi na
Denris Pai,mer
Jerry Per ki ns
Stanley i. Krzywicki
David Br as 1auAl I ver son
James Fischer
Richard Andreasen
Sharmin AI-Jaff presented the staff report on this item. chairman conradcalled the public hearing to order.
Dennis Palmer: I have a brief slide prcsentetion if I may. l,ly name isDennis Palmer. I'm the general manager for System Control and I'm heretonight r{ith Stan Krzywicki our manager for the projcct. SystGms Controlis...cIean air company. l.Je're proud of our reputation. Our prcsentationtonight is to the community of Chanhassen and we're asking tonight forpermission to locate one of our vehicle tcsting facilities in thecommunity. First I'd Iike t. give a little background if I can. The Statcof l''linnesota exceeds the federal requirements for carbon monoxi.de. carbonmonoxide is a hazardous pollutant !,ith rong term exposure that could beharmful to people. rt's been determined by the federal government thatcarbon monoxide is mainlv produced from automobiles. so in an effort toimprove local air quality, the State of tlinnesota is adopting a vehicleinspection program. The program is designed to identify vehicles that are
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llEllBERS ABSENT: Jim r^li.Idermuth
A. ZONING ORDINANCE AI.iENDiIENT TO ALLOTJ AND CREATE STANDARDS FOR A VEHICLE
INSPECTION STATION;
6451-59 Par k RoaC
10341 Heidi Lane
5275 Edina I ndustr ial Blvd.
5275 Edina Industrial BIvd.
1360 Energy Par k Drive
5275 Edina Industrial Blvd.
1313 St.h St. S.E., Suite 322, ttpls., 55404
15OO Par k Road
15OO Park Road
15OO Par k Road
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the gross oolluters. As I said, it's goal is to improve the air qLr6li1y.
Systems Control has designed a fast automated test. The Lest involves just
Iight duty vehicles. DieseIs, trucks, heavy duty trucks, tractor trailers,
heavy duty buses, motorcycles will not be involved in this program. Justautomobiies and light duty vehicles. The stations are operated by Systems
Contro] . Systems Control is a Minnesota Corporation, private corporation.
l.le do pay taxes. t^le're not tax exempt. It's administered bv the MPCA. rhel'linnesota Pollution Control Agency. They're the agency that Systems
Control has their contract bJith. !.Jith over 20 years experience, Systems
ControL has become the industry leader in this business. This is our onlybusiness. tJe tes! cars, tre don't repair cers. tje don't se.II cars. tJetest cais. It's our only business. tle operate similar programs inCalifornia, in Alaska, in the State of tlashington, in Illinois and inMary]and. l.Je're starting a program for the State of Florida and of coursethe prog'am here in Minnesota. tre're proud of the contrjbution bJe've madetc +-hese comrnuniLies - In l',laryland aIone, their program Hhich is similar tothis rrograrr :n deslgn is credited for cleaning up or reducing carbor,
mono> i.e bY Zo9 tons a single day, This is a f aci.l.ity in l,laryIand. Tnis
stai-icr-, is 7 years old - !.1e started our program !here in 1984 . !^Je '-ake alc'- cr tr-:ie in construction. In the maintenance ancj the Iandscaping ofou' racl::'-ies. t^Je !1ave clean facilities. I started in this program in1983. I sta).:ed with SC in 1983 as a station manager for this program. As
Sharm:n said, a vehicle inspection station is not Iisted as a use Decauseit's ner,, s: if I could take a minute and explain some of the comparisons to
some iomlncn useg that we're famiLiar with. It's a service business. [^]ejus'" tes: veh:cies- [^Je're a service business. Now this faci]ity locatedin Chari,asse- will, their r-raff ic flow will be somer.lhere between L/3 and aL/2 of the a!,erage sj.zed McDonald's in a single dax. It's similar to anaut. banx $,rhere you dr j.ve through. You stop for 2 minutes and you drive
on. Ii's styictjy drive thru. l,lost facilities are built }arger than they
neeci to be to assure that there's no back ups in traffic. Ne're not ]ikegas staLions because ule do no repairs. There's no repairs at, thisfacility. It's strictly testing. There's no underground tanks. No
problen,s with disposing of oil from crank cases. It's strictly testing.It's a nouse of computers. This is the network design for the State ofl''linnesct.a. one of the requirements or one of the criteria we use uhen welocate a facility is convenience. Most people wiII not have to drivegreater than 5 miles to a facility on an average. That's our goal when we
locate a facility. This is an aerial photograph of the Chanhassen site.
North is to your }eft. The Iower portion of the photograph is Audubon Road
lnd the site is located, I'm afraid the arrow is kind of dark but it'slocated in the louer righL hand quadrant of the photograph. This is a
street map location. Thc location is on Park Road. This is an artist
rendering of our facility. This is a gcncric drawing. The facility
Iocated here is 3Ianes, The facilitics are brick construction and fulIy
landscaped. Here's a Iandscaping plan Sharmin hed shoun at the cntrances
on Park Road. Again it's strictly drive thru. Thcrc's 3 }ancs. The frontpart and half of the left hand side is bcrmcd. Again, .n el.vation of thefacjljty. Three lanes. Thc secLion lrithout thc Aarage doors are the
managerial section. There's a manager on this siie. This is a picture of
our operation again in l,taryland. One of our rathcr larger facilities.
Again, it's strictly testine. Exclusively testing. tle do no repairs. The
motorist simply pulls in wiLhout appointment. Pulls into thc bay. Isgreeted by an inspector. The inspector puts in the driver's license plate.
Information is called up and in 2 minutes, Iess than 2 minutes actually,
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i:, l.'larylanC, after the operation lhe stations in no way effectthe Iocal area development. tle've got doctor-'s offices, retaii
you were waiting 20 in line dcep, las that just a safetyan emissions chec k?
the test on average is completed. These faciLities are basically houses ojcomputers. That's alI that exist in these facilities. Computers andpaper. Approximately lOZ of the folks will have to use our information
of f ice. t',lost peop.l.e though will puIl in, receive their inspection results
and pu]I out. A ljttle bit about our operations. Again, it's drive thrutesting. The average test time is Iess than 2 minutes. He do recruitIocally. This facility will employ approximately 10 to 15 people. Ouroperating hours are Tuesday thru Saturday. tle're not open Monday and we'rtnot open on Sunday. Tuesdays and Thursdays we close by 71OO p.m. and ontlednesdays and Fridays we close at 5:30 p.m-. And on Saturdays our hour-s -are from 8:O0 to 2:O0. AIso before we select a site we consider the impacton communities. tJe've employed Dr. David Braslau. Conlracted with Dr.David Braslau, a locaL environmental impact engineer, to perform airquality and traffic studies and alI these studies have to be favorablebefore we se.Lect !he site. In this case again they're alI favorable. LJitt.respect tc ncise, noise also is favorable. A Iittle comment. One of ourfacil
ne9at,
out I e
Batzli: tJhen
check or just
from
a nursing home had been built afLer the operation. The folks
maneger or, hor^r cleer and neat the facility is so r.re are good neighborstle':'e conf :cjent thaL rr/ e can do good here and help improve the air quality.
The federal EPA says that we can, they expect in the first year operation -tc redlce em:ssions by 36,0O0 tons and by 1995, 136,000 tons in a year. 116,are gocd nej.ghbc:'s and we hope that you accept your staff's recommendation.Thank you .
conrad: Thanks for vour report. okav, we'lr open it up for other public
commenr-s. Are there any?
Richarc Andreasei: r'm Richard Andreasen. r'm the facilities manager atthe PMT Corpsr6giel. I'd Iike to state in the past I've noticed the Cityof chanhassen has had a great concern r.rith neu projects and how it affectsothers anC how it fit inLo the community, I believe r.rith the increasedamount of traffic, exhaust fumes, noise, that the inspectj.on station doesnot fit into the chanhassen Lake rndustrial park. r believe ue shouldleave the Chanhassen Lake Industrial. park an industrial park. Thank you.
James Fischer: Hv name is James Fischer and m representing on behalf ofthe emplovees of PMT corporation. r have spoke b,ith several pl,tr employees -and we feel that the inspection station would be a dGmoralization of someof the people with, well the employees. tie 9o outside on break. It'squiet. There's no cars. The air smells nice end nou there's not going tobe thaL if this goes through. There's going to be noise. There's eoi;g t<-be the smell of car exhaust. r knotr the smell. r lived in california for4 years while serving in the military. I had to havc my car inspectedeverv vear - r know shat it's like to sit in linc and uait and wait. 4 0r -5 cars deep. I don't believe that. I've scen it and I've bccn in 2o pluscars deep ldaiting for an inspection on my vehicle. It,s 9oin9 to smelI.The emplovees aren't going to be going on their r.ralks on lunct. They just _uron't ]ike it and they don'!. Thank you very much.
the n
ven ing home are always over having coffee and complimenting our
park. Please. I have
qual i ty people to come
construction consu Ita nt
Just emissions. To get a certificate.
of good employees. I want to cntice good
our cohpany. This isn't going to do it. My
Dick HeIIstrom hrrote a Iist of things that
James Fischer:
Con:'ad: Thank you - Other comments?
Russ Murphy: f 'm Russ l.lurphy . I ourn l.turphy l,lachine Company across thestreet f:'om '-he proposed site and somebody had mentioned the noon walks.
There's a lot of people walking on Park Avenue and it's becoming a racetrack. I bought the first lot out there and I've uatched each building go
up and half the traffic going throush l,lcDonald's is probably 10 times thetraffic we have right now. I don't think it would fit in very weLl. Thank
You -
Conrad: 'l'hanks f o:' your comments. Other comments? Anything else?
AI Iverson: l,ly name is Al Iverson. I 'm President of the PMT Corpora+-ion.f 've Iisre:,ed to a pretty heart warming presentation. tje're all in'-erestedi. tt e enVi.r'onmen: a.ro air pollution. I have a responsibility to rny
ernr:Lc),ees as we.L l arid we came out to Chanhassen Industrial Office Park backir, 1986 anJ !^J e were told it uould be an industrial office park anci we
manufa:'--re .neCi:a.1. surgical products. tJe have cl.ean rooms. tie cater toour emplcyee: . l,J:':e pulLin9 up a new building - By .-he way f was neve-toli et,('-'- '.r'.:: presetilation. I'm putting 1.4 milLion doliars into a two
stor"y building. Il t^iIl heve, it's built for the employees. There's an
exe:'cise rooirr . i^ie have an addj.tional 1O,OOO square foot clean room. t,e
are anc re',,e bee: working urilh Paul and his staff and we feel that they'vereal:: i'eer corce:'ned about the indus+-riaI office park but this is not
fittins. Yo{, have tc rezone tc put it in there. This is not going to be
conduc:ve '-c ar industriaL office park. This uill not be conducive Lofuture oe..,elopments. I'm anticipating as PauI knows, two other buildings,
Our company is groring very rapidly. We have over 1OO empLoyees. Ue cll
r.ant tc take the pollutants out of the air but this isn't the location for
it. Drive into there, See how difficult it is to, h,e have people having a
rough *-ime finding it and lhey're going to be knocking on our door, bang
into our areas, I have employees who walk down the street. They enjoy it.
They:axe +.nei- breaks and so forth and w.e Iike the Chanhassen Lakes
Inciust:i.6: E'ark. I have 10 acres there. tre're putting in clean buildings.
tle're .1. istening to the cj.ty. [.le're h,orking with the city. This isn't
conducive to Nhat's going on and I take grave cxception to the fact that
number one, uJe weren't told about it. t have a project that's now 2 months
o]d. I have 2 !/2 more months i.nto thst project. I feel vGry offendedthat I wasn't, ue ure.re never notifiod about this. There are other sites.
There's a lot of land around there. Right off TH 5. This good gentleman
mentioned l.'lcDona]d's. That's right off TH 5. Put it tdhere.t'lcDonald's is.
Somewhere close by. There's plenty of land. Not in the industrial officea lot
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r.rould happen. He's 23 years, Mr. Dick Hellstrom's bcen ulorking 23 years in
building buildings for Control Data Corporalion. I suspect he's got
probab.Iy the best reputation in the Twin Cities. He indicated that he
r.rould see that property values would faII. Those beautiful. pictures uP
there did not show anything about the surrounding area. I b,as a resident
of Florida for 4 years. The inspection stations u/ere a mess. I think we
should really seriously 9o visi! some of these areas number one. Number
tr^,o, the traffic. The traffic for my employees is just going to be
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ridicuious. Come on. Let's put it out on TH 5 someplace, There's a lotof Iots out there. PIenty of land. This is ridiculous. It wiIInegatively impact futu:e development of yorlr property to the north. Thetwo buildi.ngs *e're anticipating. The office buildings. Traffic throughthe area will be greatly increased. Air pollution in the area will begreatly impacted. Cars are the greatest contributors to air pollution in -this area. Hey r.Je're trying to clean up these cars but does that mean thalour company and our employees and everybody else has to suffer? Let,s getit close to the highway. I mean gee whiz, tJhat are we doing to all these -people in an industrial office park where ue came to have a manufactur ingfacility and we treat our peop.Ie !.Jell. The area wiII be much noisier thanit is a+. the present. There is no doubt. My office customer service
manager-, Sue Crankee has told me that she's very concerned about the rumbetof pecpie present.ly r^rho confusingly rralk into our offices and ask where arethey. I :a: imaE;i:-re a whol.e lot more people doing that. [Je are a good
neigrhL,:- here - t,ie're a good manuf acturer . tle're a clean manufaclure:- - ttr-menu'3c:;:e clea-, , quality products. I don,t think we need this. propert)
vai.ues *j. l.l. be frega-Lively impacted. Top cual.ity firms and individuaLs thatmiglrt ha,,e been interested in locating or buying in this area will beCeL,:erel ..:t-- t,re er.issions facility in the area in this pIace. It r.ri Il brmc:e dj"ic;l: to sell properties +-hat are directLy adjacent or rentproper'::es iha: are ciirectly adjacent to this special use facili!y.Specja- .ise .ac:lir-y. This is not part of the industrial office park
compie, . The proposei uses not compatible u,ith existing zoning and planne<d€relctrr"nt- f or the area . Planned development. !.le came in here. iJe'vebeen working raiLh Paul Krauss. I mean I don't care if it,s a spacestation. You can't r.eal. ly plan ahead for things like this. I'm sure youcan say uell it didn't exist before this. Hey, this is an industrialoffice park complex and I think we oh,e something to our employees and this-
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Conrad: Thanks for your comments.there a motion to close the public
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have to stand pat. This is not conducive to our business. Formean manufacturing is a carreer. Ue 90 to great strjves as athe FDA and Gl.1P and we're a good neighbor. you knou in 11
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ofyears uJe've rever 5een sued in the medical business. Think abou.- it. rn i-letitucus socj.ely. Ue 90 to great strides to keep up and with uhat isnecessar)' tc, be a good manufaclurer. This is, r.re,re manufacturerS andwe're office parks out there and this is not conducive for uhat ue'redoing. Possibiljty exists for owners site to be used as unauthorizedParking or dumping. People urilI just come through. you haven,t seen theseinspection sites. And the traffic alone is just not conducivc to myGmployees. I am really shocked that b,e uere not notificd about this and iuill 9o to great strides to just say hey, this isn't fair. t've reallystood behind Paul Krauss and the planning commission for a long time andu.le've lislened to them. Ne've bcnt over backLrards. l.te've made changes to -planning to make our facilitics fit and I fcel rcally som€uhat perso;aIlyassaulted here because wc 've I istened. l.|c'v. bargained. l.,e'vccommunicated. tle've, r shouldn't sav bargain but compromiscd. r mean the-uorld's a compromise but this isn't conducivc to what ue cama to theChanhassen Lakes Industrial Perk for and that's to havc a clean environmentfor our employees to r.ror k and this is not 9oin9 to f ).y. pcriod. I thank),ou for your time. l.le have a gror.,th company. He have over 1oo employees -nob,. tJe're doubling annually and I hope ),,ou understand ue lrant to be agood neighbot but this isn't right.
Other comments?
hear i ng?
Anything else? Is
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Erhart moved, Emmings seconded to close the public hearing. AII voted infavor and the Dotion carried. The public hearing uas closed.
Conradr Just a quick comment before Lre open it up f
commeni-s. Lnhar- is the projected traff ic count per d
Dennis Palmer : [.,,e average approximately 4OO vehic]es.
Con:'ad: And does that grow over a time period?
De:'nis falmer: That 4OO vehicles is our...andestimate for. . . Yes iL does gror.r so the first
Ccrad: Sc max:murn capacity is 4OO?
De;':19 l'alner: Na thaa's not the capacity.
or Planning Commi ssj on
AY?
that 4OO vehicles is the
couPle year s . . .
The capacity i.s app: cx: mai,e I y
Al :.verso:.: Is that 1 .OOO cars?
Derrr.::- :alr.er: 'l'hat'S the capacity, yes sir.
Al Ive's,r: : Sc yol 've designed i+-
r-o assure +-h
for their t
Den,-.i s g:lne- : Tha! 's
come ir e\.,e- ! 2 r.:nutes
for 1,OOO auLomobiles a day?
are no log jams. Peopi.e willat there
eS.! .
Conrec: -'jcar.. xe'l I star+- at your end. Any comments?
Ahre:.s: Fo! was Chanhassen chosen for this? It seems !o me that it would
be rn.:r'e logjcai to loca+-e a center like this in an area that was more
eaE j. Iy accessed by highways and maybe like closer to Eden Prairie Center or
somelhing like that. I know there las an extensive study where it was
ment j.one: ir the staff report rdhere it uas determined that the 11 sites
were go:n9 r-o be located strategicaLly in places around the TuJin Cities butthis doesn't seem ]ike a real great site Lo me.
Dennis Palmer: tJe]l we typical.Iy ]ocate in industrial parks and I
recognize lhe concern of the neighbors. I hear it all the time. I don't
know how to prove to the commission that that's not the Llay it is. Traffic
and air pollution. It is a quiet facility. It is clcan. tle locate
convenient to large population arcas. Cars cxist in this area. That's r.rhya station is located in this area. It's not intended to draur cars fromother areas into a community. Wc are ncar TH 5 but we avoid major highwaysto assure there are no traffic problGms.
Ahrens:
drauing
located
a I r eadyto brha t
Dennis Palmeri [.,e use the Hetropolitan Council's TAZ counLs h,hichtraffic zones to locate where pockets of population, people exist.
tJe don'! have a lot of peoplc out there. I mean He HiII bea lot of people inLo this rrea but locating. If this facility isin Chanhassen,' it urill be drawing a lot of pcople to this area. t,e
have problems urith TH 5. Big problems and so that may be contraryyour intent is. The result may be contrary to uhat your intent is.
They're
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fed i.r,c a computer and thefacililies where 9OZ of thegoal i: 1OCr" and that is to
immediate east of the area.facil.ity anC aLso east that
State's requirement is that ue locatepeople have to drive no more than 5 miles.
service the folks to the uest as well as to
There are facilities Iocated north of thie
ui I I draw about midpoint.
Cur
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Ahrens: t,lhere wi I I they be located?
Dennis PaImer: Minnetonka, Savage and in the Bloomington,zRichfield area.
Ahrens: l^Jhere's the t4i nnetonka location?
Oennis Palmer: I don't know exactly. Stan could help you.
Ahr.errs: lJhat kind of erea is that? I can,t picture Hhere that is.
Sta:i K:-zyx:cki : Cedar Lake Road.
Ahre-rs: . :s tha'. oown by 169 and Excelsior Bl,vd.?
Kraus:,: Ii,'s a rajor intersection. There's residenti.aI developmen+-. Higi-.densi'.;, reslCent.ia] development to the n6rth and east. There's an ,indus'.r'ial park to the south. There's a nice residential area in Hopkinsacross l^'li nnehaha c'eek f urther to the south. To the uest is an operating -
Krauss: No iL's old, that's Hopkins Crossroads and Ceda: Lake Road.
Ahr-ens: Okay. You know I've been through these before too. I livedin Iljincis a:.d rny experience with them uas terrible. I mean there ulere)ong wait-s. There were a)ways lots of cars and frustrated drivers becausethey di..i have !c wait so long and that's from what I,ve heard from some ofthe other peopi.e tonight, have experienced the same thing and I uasn't sure-if that hacj jus! happened in Ill.inois but it sounds like that happens allover the place LJith these sites. This looks very sma]I to me. you have 14parking spots here. You're going to have 7 employces and 1O* of the people-
who use this facilitv. r^rill be parking to use the information center right?
Dennis Palmer: That's an estimate. yes na'am. They stop in. 5 minuevisits and they ]eave. tlost people will drive through.
Dennis PaLmer: f can't speak forhappened. These facilities, like
more times the number of vehicles
Codes r.rith respect to parking and
your experiences. I'm sure that thatI said, are built to accommodate 2 oranticipated on an average. tre meet lheto the State 's guidelines.
Star Krzywick!: It's right off of Hedberg Park which is right offof...Hopkins borde-. Off of 169. Probably the nearest crossroad urould be-Excelsi'-r
Ahrens: Uha! happens ulhen, I think the parking, I mcan I haven't seen anyof the studies of uhich this report rcfers so I don't have any information -about that but it looks too srnall to me. Considcring uhat my experiencehas been in the past, there's never bcen enough room. They're always overcrorded and there's a).ways long lines of cars
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Stan Krzywicki: As far as the parking is concerned, typically what- we'dhave, Lhe ? ba:, staff with 1 person being a manager so you really only have4 Etsff peopie a+. a time. The 10 people that uJe had talked about, becausewe're run::iirg 12 hour daya,7 and 7 on 2 days, we aclually have part timepeople uJor k jng at the statjons so our staffing level is 10. The peoplethat wo:'k in the lanes wiII be part time people.
Ahre-'rs: Are those projecls based on the number of cars yougoing through if it sLarted up tomorroH? Not on 4OO cars oryou'd :ai,e to have more employees right?
anticipatemore. T he:
Stan Krzywicki: No. No, that's no! correct. t.lhat we'd actually do is,
ulel I yc;-'r-e r.ight. There is a mode of testing which makes the lestingfaster r,rh:ch is a tube position test so that staff would...6 people pl.ue 1gta'.: a r ia:iager.
A!-. e -:: :.: yc-
St6r Krz\^:c l::
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ccu I C have 7 employees.
trould be the
I:a- ''a-'c nave aCO
maxl.mum.
aptrr'oximar,ely 40O cars going throughpe. haps
'.:: -he dOO cars is the absolute peak.jl:rois, there were certain days lhat you
:eeze Lhrough. There are 3 ueeks.
NormaI1y ,could go IN
you
and you
Ahren:: I dc-.': knour rdhen that t.tas.
Dennis Palmer; Yes Ma'am.
Ahrens: And if 1OZ of those people are parking theirinformation center, that's 40 vehiclcs over a 12 hour
cars,9o
per iod .
into theIs that it?
Dennis Palmer; That's less than 4 an hour r yes ma'am.
Ahrens: Less than ,4 an hour. I don't know. I just don,t, the parking
seems, I have a reaL problem uith that. It doesn't scem big enough anduhat happens if you need to expand? Can you cxpand in this? I mean canyou expand the par ki n9?
Dennis Palmer: I don't see Lhe need to expand either lanes or parking, butyes ure can. Yes ma'em, ure can.
Ahrens: I'm sti]I thinking about this. t,hy don't you move on.
Conrad: Br ian?
S:3' z.-zyr-:c'(:: There are 3 weeks during the month that are like that.The lasi weel. is when we have, when we test most of our vehicles.
Ahrens: I don't know about that but if you have 7 employees and you have400 c6-s. Ie'.'s say 4OO cars going through a day and I'm focusing on thatnumber :,ecause .-hat's uhat you anticipate in a feur years. Right?
Ba'.zl:.:
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have the
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appl icant up here, I might as r.rei I ask
the State?
1991 and expi r es
t hose
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your contract with
pro9ram star ts 1n
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Batzl:: Have you ever conducted a study on
loca+-:on c3 one of your test facilities?environmental i mpac t
Dennj.s Palmer: Yes, Actually we've done studies on what this facility,the j.mpac t this f aci I it-y r.lill have to the community in terms ofenvironmen!. tte've done studies on existing facilities in our otherstates. In Ba.l,timore for example, OSHA is very concerned eJith thePo]]utionIeve]'softheactuaIinSPectorsinthefacilityandtheyPIacemonitors o-'r lhe inspectors to determine whether or not there's a healthhazard. Thei. conclusion r^,as that it's more dangerous to ulalk dor.rn thest:ee:. ;.{ ic,;ntown Baltimore than it is to r.ror k in the inspectionfac: lit;,. Noh :ts:s urasn't thei.r official concLusion but ther-e LJ3s noha:.r''-l e!'ec'-. I rnean that was a comment - f mean that uasn't written butI mean :'.: .-'ling to explain hor^r IittIe impact it really is and I don't
know hcl.; *,r.
De;rnjg Pal:rer: 7 years.
D:. Braslau is with us this evening.
conceni-r'aticn r.rould be. If you'd Iike1r. I':', su:'e he'd be happy to.
He's Ccne a gi:lci, on
to address t ha:
Ba-,zi::yo- gJ , s uJa n! i ! addr esseC-.D:
Conrad: You'r'e in charge. It's
Ba'-zli: YeaF. I r.rculd Iike to
Dennis Palmer: O kay
you r
hea r
quest i on -
it addressed.
Dr. Da,,,id Braslau: t,ly name is Dr. David Braslau. I'm president of DevidBraslau Asscciates, t',linneapolis. l.{y address is, company address is 1313Sth Street S.E. in the old harshall U Hish School . I prepared a reportwhich is enr-itled carbon Monoxide Analysis of 5 Vehicle rnspection sites inthe Twi:: :ilies Metro Area for System Control Inc. dated August, 1990 andin the report r looked at 5 of the sites which are being proposed includingthe Chanhassen site. r.Jhat we look at is carbon monoxide. The pollution
Control Agencv since the testing site is intended to rcduce carbon monoxidecmiss:ons, they are very interested in knowing whcther or not thc location -of the site itself uri.LI cause Problems urith carbon monoxide concentrations.
Carbon monox j.de is a gas which is prolematical only in high concentrations.It's very localized and it is easily dispersed so that the primary intentof the vehicle inspection is to reduce overall emissions of carbon monoxideso tha+- a hot spot such as 7th and Hennepin, Lake and Hennepin, Snelling
and Ltniversity r.rhich are Lhe spots where the standards have been exceededin the past, that if the inspection stations. . .overaII emissions by ZOZ,that will then bring the levels at these sites doh,n below the standard.
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Batzli: ::i':rk any congregation of traffic is going to concentrate the6i:' p;llut:cn in that area sc that ali-hough it may be ulithin certain9.jcel::Les. lt will^ increase it. jn tha! given area and that's the ccncern
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The E+-anCa:.d is 9 parr-s per million over an 8 hour period. The standard isintended to insure that people, including infirm people are not adverselyjmpacte,j t,y, :arbcn rr(,:roxide. [^]e assume tha! f or the carbon monoxideanalysis a: lhe site, we assume that there would be e capacity of 80 carsan hou- going t:r:'ough the, this is the expected, actually the capacity of 3is 1O5. That is absolute maximum capacity but the normal expected maximumlevel that r.rould be going through this sit.e in the last 5 days of the month
uhen people have to, in other words people uill procrastinate for the first.3 weeks arrd then in the last 5 days they feel they have to go in and sothat's lhen there's a push to have their vehicles inspected. And so welooked a'- 81 cars per hour. tJe projected the 8 hour levels to be less r-hen
2 parts per million at receptive sites that were about 10 meters awa>, fromthe roadxay and that was abou! 30 feet. So anybody that's further awey isgoing tc have a Iouer concentration. t^le're assuming a fairly stable
atr,oslhe: ic cc:dit-ions. tJe're aSsuming 1 meter pet Second r.rind whichre:ll>' ooes:': dispe:'se the pollutanls very much. So that we realiy cicnot, el +-hjE particular site, project any significant conce;)tratio:-.s of
cayoo:, ri'::vicie. i should point out that carbon monoxide is not a, it'sstrr.'-ly e 9a.. The gas is poliutant. It's not a dirty pollutant ]ikedi.e:el e\:au.: are like part.iculales that come out so the projected IeveIswe:. e.:!all;' cuj:e lcw. The highest leveLs that we projected far any site
uras e: . t a,: ! lane site urhere because of the background leveL that we had!c' ass--e, '- \€ DCA requires that LJe assume a certain background ler,,el to
add on:. the roedway conceFtration and the roadway concentration generally
is c.r^:'€ :.!-ci€- cf : :/2 to 2 parts per. million. The backgrounC :eveI +-hat
es'-i.r.atec is about 1 p3.-: per million so ule're talking abou+- at the most
:a-+-s ie' -:llic,- jn'-he area which is about 7/3 of an 8 hcur standard.
t^ I dc:.'t kno*, I'o be happy to answer some specific questions on this
c. - ': , ar- at ), of the sites, prc jec.. that the Levels r.rjIl be aocve-..ic=. In fa:'- in Chanhassen ule're looking a'-, because we onlyla.es, we're looklng at about 3O'z of the 8 hcur standard even with
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Batzli;per,l'l'-:ec Paul,
t-af f ic . Thank you .
could you expjain to me why this type of a use shouLd be ain a:: IOP area?
Krauss: l.j e looked at this f:'om several different viebrpoints. First of all
He note thal this is a Slate program. They're under a State contract.There's oniy one of these. It's almost a quasi-public utility for, if you
want to view it that t"lay. RightIy or urongly they've selected Chanhassenas a receptor site based on their analysis and r.re looked at hrhere else this
could 9o in the community and decided that a TH 5 location uas not optimal.
That we would rather keep tha! traffic on a roadL,,ay that was designed forit r.rhich Park Drive b,as and hopefully in an area where it could fit invisually and h,c think that this uas designed to do that. 1.,e note thatthere are some fairly unusual uses that could go in that area. For exampletruck transfer terminal is allor.rable by conditional use permit and in fact
ue did have a terminal developer uho bras looking to dcvelop the site just
north cf there last fal]. t,e tried to discourage that and in fact diC sobut that is allowable under conditional use and that is of course muchheavier traffic with diesel trucks. l.te're proposing that this thing be
Iocated in an area that we think is suitable for it. tle think it was
desj.gned appropriately. As a State operated facility and the ordinance
change is worded so that this onl.y applies to State contracted facilities.It's a one off type of project. It's basically a someh,ha! tough one to
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ag:'eed to r.rithcjrar.r the site plan?
in conversations with us and I believe he's here tonight
t ha: specifically.
locar-e. re f el*. tha: !his proposal though Has reasonable given thegujce:i-,es t'1at have been established. One of the concerns we had !.Jas what-
hapEer= '-c ti:s si:e if 8 years hence this coni-ractor loses the contract
and sonebody else gets the bid. I believe there were tuJo people bidding onthe co-,:r-act- originai.Iy. The way we've uorded the ordinance is if tha!happens, ir-'s their problem. That investment may tJeIl be lost because tne -only !hi:r!: that is allowable in that building is a State contracted vehicletesting facjlity. So u,e tried to cover our bases in that regard +-oo. Soagaix I guess al.L things being consj.dered, ue felt it was a fairly
reasonat,]e site. It could be, well we had approved the Rome officebuilClng r.:hich was approved on the corner. Has not been built to da.-e.This sj'-e Nas originally conceptua]Iy approved or reviewed at any rate fora 17,OC? squere foot office building which this would replace and ue felL -
that :he Rcne site plan could be modified to accommodate i!.
Batz::
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Rctn6:
' :: )a- ^a-: to speak Rornan?
Roers : rh: s site plan review process, staf f d j.C advise me of tha._::'' v::r. cf what we're t:yin9 to get accomplished, I have
'. r. lc stafr that we r.rould 9o aheaC and resubmit a smallerr:'- tra-.-icular site. There's about 2.25 acres ]eft. f have -a-: lie e:-e in the process of redrawing the site plan i+-self-g ri- s.ame. f have heard a lot of conversatj.on this eveningfeel bo'-h sides of i+- because I'm also in the park. I thlnk,_ga bacx qlilte a e,Ja),s. I slarted working with Systems Cont ro]before a.,e:hasse- !,j3a even selected as a site and I had the opportunity toloc,i. E'- c-j:+ a aea cf Lhe djfferent'projects that they have nowaccornplishea th'oughou: the United SLates anci : guess if ue couIC have LoIc-the f utu:e 3E t-c !,Jhat- is going to be required in the State of l,!i.nnesota, ori.n th:s case ii- chanhassen, r^re might have been able to address that issue.P!! ,{'re:, I -oc i'. a'. the f acilit.ies they've done to date, and I'm .-a! kingabou'. the alcnii-ectural styles, I have to say that in the Chanhassen arearight nor, knowing how staff and Council feel about TH 5, the corridor, anoIooking a: the transportation system. Looking at the traffic control if
),ou will orr CR 17. Stop light controlled intersection there and f'm sureaII of this is coming out in Dr. Braslau's report, and it is my site. Thatis true. I'm very concerned about lrhat I put next door to that particularfacility. I think if it's done in the context that I've been led tobelieve over the last 5 months, that vou can make it a very desireable sitefor another type of office buildine. It has to be controlled. That is LhePlanning Commission's responsibility. Their chargc if you r.rill to CityHaIl, to Council, and I think uith the proper controls from staff, I thinkthis can be done, It's not, as far as PMT and l.lurphy l,lachine across thestreet and my building which is right behind it, yes I had concern. f 'vetho,Jght a ]ot about that. There's just not the economics on it. As Isaid, I have a 2.25 acre parcel left next to it. Believe me I'm vilelyconcerned about that but I think it uiII uork if it,s hcld in the geise andthe different views that I've seen in the other states that System Control -has accomplished in the past. I'm open for any questions you might have.
And yes I did ask for a resubmittal .
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Batzli: lf we 9e+. that far I think we should broaden the paragraph (c). trogas c. othe. f larnmable or parts are sold or stored on the site. I'C alsoIike to'.ake a look at making it potentially a conditional use rather thana perrn:'-ted use. If we think that they should belong in the IOP, I guess
loci^.: rg a+" LJhat I0P is sr.rpposed to be, I don't really view somethi n9 tha!genera:e5 a lo*- of traffic as something that should belong in there.
tlhe.-i'er- jt's 40o cars a day or 8OO cars a day. I bJas actually surpr jsed tcsee es a c:nditional use the truck transfer use as a conditional use.
t;;;:
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tempr,
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i
... : ioF "- mind having Chanhassen
and I real Iy doub: r.rith so many d:-gri rrg *.o be really a pollutant to
co:rcerned abou: a coupie things. O
>'.-ay= you know. LJhat do they do wit
be lhe site for aive up and +-hinjs al ).
neighbors and thi ngsne, this thing could beh them? f mean do youhav: a his:o:y of ever closing one and urhat do they turn into?
De r:': : s
Ellso:r:
ki nd or
0e.,r : sth:-'
tre l:e- : tie Ccn't .
Ar-,. x::+, sorts of .,hiigs? Do they become drive-up banks or Ehat
t h I r _r:- C.: Lhe ,. d..?
F;,1:ue': Genera.I .Iy, I think :hat this program and I'd ask Stan. . .I
'- l^.- 9,',ate does have the option to manage it themselves.
E]lso:: Sc, char.ges are it pretty much xould stay?
Deniis Dalme-: Like I say, the building is mostlr computers. t^lithoutthcge conou:er.s, lhe va.Lue of the building is minimal .
Ellsc:: B-.- yo- know it is a brick construction. Fairly substantial andyet there is a potential of it being temporary as far as having thecontrac', rener^Jed or whatever and I see the nice Chanhassen saying ueLllet's r.lork a way of making this building lJork for something else somedayIater dowr, the road and I Has tdondering if it'd never had been done before.tlhat it could possibly become and it really seems like we should be lookingat it short range as urell as long range. tlhen I look at it short range Ithink it might not even be this in 9 years. Then what could it potentially
be or have them ever become is one of my concerns.
Krauss: t,ell I did discuss that with thc applicants on occasion because I
had the same conce:'n when I found out the duration of the contract. Butyou know it's clear to me as a staff person interpretting the ordinance,the oniy thing it can become is what's permitted or conditional in theordinance. It can't become a Hardee's or a gas station because we don'tallow lhose things in there. If there is an economic Ioss to be absorbed
because the building is unbuyable as anything else, that's the developer'sprobl e,x .
T
Ba:zi:. : ): you Llan: me .\-o commen'- on the ar,nendment to the zoning
orC:nar:e?
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can understand the standpoirt from our resourcesi guess I'm thinking there are a lot mor-e logical
ou'. tiat people could potentjally see from a majorrourC ol whatevet-. I'm taking it from Lhe fact th6i
u:rd r j.ght? You don't just have. seasons of testing.
tllsor
anC I'ye', yo
of fa:
didn'*.
: Okay, and then the long range concern I would have is lhe traffic'r nc-'t convinceC as !o why you chose this location out of convenience -u c:,n ''- Lra-'T t i! in a Iocation lhat we normally have conve:ience typei.L.i.ties. Bolh Paul as well as the applicant talked about that. you
wart r-he same kind of place that bJe'd have with convenience centeror a Ha:'dee's or something like that which are built! as far as traffic for-quick in and out yet this one is going to be a quick in and out just like iconvenience store or just like.a drive up bank so r.lhy aren't we thinking ofputtjng j*- uJhere lhose other kjnds of places would be? Can you shed sone -I i 9h', o.-. :ha:?
Krau=s: Yeah. You know I also Hork with lhe HRA and those other si.-ee are_typically in our centra.L business district. Our central business districahas a precic,us Little supply of ]and. Recently we discussed thepcs::5:l.i+,:' or a Hardee's behind lhe Amoco station and there was a great
de;l cf cc'r,aarn as !o xhether or not i-hat ;;as an approprjate sj:e far ah:;q vcirFe Lr:... 4.g.abii., squandering a few suitable high voLurne s:te=yo,: l,e,,e rq'r 6 veh.i: le tegi-ing station r^rhich offers servjces once a year r.o
pe;:i= :- --^t :Jm'nJi:--, :nS'-ead Of once a week aS a fast fooC resf-aur-ant
migh*- C:, nj9:t 5e e uaste cf that s:te. I would hat,e concerns lcc3::1-l9 i.tne).: t.: f.'i::l:'a::'= for i-hat reason or in the Har ket Square shopping cen+-et-
f o:' '-ha'- -eas.:.. Foss jbly those sites are sui!able eLsewhere. I ulculd
Li :,,.. - . - ! ,ti ---2 wouid be bes.. served though by protecting those sites.
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but if
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Denni: Palme;': ]'here's a 1O rnonLh testing period. I understand thar- mostvehj.cles are not- registered in January or February. If you buy a new carit-'s regls*-ered in *-hose months but then they'Il assign you a sticker for
arrc,ther rr,c,irth. 'l'he. . .you need the inspection f acility !o run the test,Givei t-ha--, +-here uould be very IittIe traffic thru January and February.
The faciliry.is basecj on operation of 10 monlhs but it wi]l be open 12.
Ellson: I don't think it's as convenient in that IOp. f guess I could seeit more in a business fringe or somethins like that or like I said, more of_a convenience center type location. And I guess I can,t prejudice it byknowing that there's only ]ike 7 sites ]eft and I,m probably sure i!,s aIot more expensive for an applicant to go into a place Lhere than it ishere but I don'! think 95? of the people are going to be going there aregoing to knour that it's easy to get to. SO I guess I don't see it in the
IOP.
Conrad: Steve.
Emrnings: I think we finaLly found something that belongs in businessfringe. No, I don't mean that. Let's see. As far as uhere this mightin our cornmunity, xhen you look at what the IOP is, this doesn't quite
to fi: in a way. And yet on the other hand, I can't imagine ulhere else
wouLd 9o. I don't think it belongs in a commercia] area in the centra]business Cistrict or anything Iike that but I guess I've come around tothinking that maybe the IOP is the right place for it if it's g,oing !o
9o
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sorT,e!^lr-,.:e. I've gct a f eH questions here. TelI me tha! thison pege 3 whe:-e it says that the roofLop equipment extends 33the :c:,f .
ls a
fee'-
mi sta ke
above
Krauss r Inches.
Kraus
do ne
s:I!'s a little bit unusual procedure but that's the way uie've\, e9
Emn'i rgr: :Cl,,e:', so if we're going into lots and blocks, if the subdivisionan! blcc ks o' some+-hing, r^ie do it.
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h6ve '-o do p:'eliminary
t he eieva*-ions it-*-he otre: tro,
plat.
shows the
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over s.i. zed
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Tha'- 's '-c accomriodate
re are 3 gar"age doo's anC
+- hat?
vehicles
so:-t of my understanding that
tr uc ks ,uJe':i -:
not clear on Ehat, it r,Jas
ca:'s in here anci pick-up
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',,ehic,les under 8,500 gross vehicie weight. 'ihe:e wil]refrigeration, ai:' conditioners or something on top
1C f oct door . GLass +-:'ucks, tle alr,iays had cne lanethat :an
Ba t z..i : :5c for i:rstance lhere are step vans and constructiorr boxed f-rucks,
ke !ha: ar-e going to be running through here as we.l, l,?
De-r e pa:me:-: :f *'hey're under 8,SOC aross vehicle weight and they're gas
poi^ieI eC
Emmings: Nhen I read this I didn't have any strong feelings about it bu! Iguess the thing that's bothering me right nosi is primarilv the commentsue've heard that people that have had experience b,ith these stations in
other- places have said that traffic tends to back up and cars sit for longperiod of time and that bothers me a lot I guess. If I could be satisfiedthat didn't happen, I think I'd support the plan and frankly I think it's
important enough that it ought to be tabLed and h,e ought to find out r.rhatthe experience has been in other pl.aces or else that ought to be found out
bet!.Jeen us and the City Council or something because a ]ot of cars backed
up there are sitting for very long. I mean if cars are coming in andgett:ng out in 2 minutes, I'm not too much bothered by it real]y. But ifthey're sitting there backed up, then I think that's different so that's apiece of jnformation lhat I'd Iike to have before I'd realLy feelcomfoltable voting on this.
Conr ad: Tirn.
Emmjngs: Tha! makes me happy. Te]I me too, it says the Plannjng
commissicn does not have to take action on the subdivision reques! as iL isa metes and bounds subdivisicn. It will be acted on by the City Council.Maybe : t.Jas just. unaware of that. Is that the uJay we've aluays done r_hose?
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I dc'r- '*- kno|.J *.hat I could answer that eff ectiveLy. The IOpF:.a.+-.: ne. I knor.r there uras some desire at points in the pas.-
:€:'\,.:ces :rTat wouid be utilizable by residents of the inius.-:iaI.;: :-c:.--eJiants, tha: sort of thing. Chanhassen has aIu:ays beens'.-:i:ive cn Nhere gas stat.ions locate. In fac.- ordiranoe
--:e-e's no conf .Iict with having a 9as station in the i:r.l!9tr:al:: ,,1,-1- n: nd as a prof essional planner , if I can use tha: term4
:'at her
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airr€i.:,ier: I v.i-.'i spproved Iast year tha+- made it even more restrictive uJither L-r'. *-:";:'d: lini..ing the nurnber of j.ntersections there found +-ha+-. ScI'r a'-:i: I cor. ''- have any specific information for you.
L-.';.-.
(r-auss' i' y,-" hao' ar industrial park that's Iarge enough whe:.e yo:'rese1' 6;:-:.'3::n; dera::c, iike an Opus II sort of situation, I think it's
ver /, '..!.cnaL,.e tc lccate specific facilities tail.ored for that- populatior!
Op,,:: Il i-.: L2,OC? people working there every day and there,s people r_hat
Li,,,e :5ere. t^le cicn'! have anything like that, !e have 5,OOC enployees inthe c:t, , a3 .' the coun: thai- Sharrnin compleled last week, whi.ch is agoc,Cly i,ur,ber but they can adequately be served by our central busjnessci.s'--::'- a:-: I +,hirrr< cur business community would prefer- that they be
Se:'J::je C '- -e:g.
Erhart: -qo you're saying youpeople in the indust-riaI park
Krauss: Yeah. tJhat it boils
appropr iate in our context.
would expect a gas station to serve theas opposed to outsiders coming in?
doun to is I don't think it's really
Er hart: I didn't understand.uhich is *-he fringe commercial
Take a look at the general business districtdevelopmen!. Llhat's Lhe other one?
Krauss: Hiehway busi ness.
Erhart: Uha+-gas stations?
u,as the reason why this use couldn't be in there along with
Krauss: l.lell, there's not a specific use but if you look at uhere thosedistricts lay in our community, they're i,n and around the central businessdistrict and the available siles are very limited. They oftentimes have
exposure Lo residenLial neighborhoods. As you recalI, l.lcDonald,s itself
Eria:'-: Uell, I was kind of excited about this before I came in heretonighi. lor.i convenient this urould be for rne just !o cirive across theE.!-E:t :: ge+- my r,,eh jcle tested every year . However , :he more I I is*.en .-o -
it, I ir:= :+;.ll) sJrprised thai anybody have negative comment-s fror i-ne
neighf,c'rs. I 'rn glad you came in but I Lhink it brings sorne issues t-c. ::shttha: : g-.3ss I hadr't though! about. Fundamentally, I guess there's -:.rrie {
quest j.'rs I had to kind of decide the issue. So I'11 star! out with w:,),isn't-, can you shed some light on this olher use that we do permit tha:'s.
mos+- llxe a gas station. tJhen you're dealing with retail people andpeop.le have a requirement to do something with their cars. They go ir: andtake ihe 2 rnjnutes, about ihe same time it takes to fill up. The frequencyof traffic on the average would be about 1to 2 cars a minute and more carsat peak tirire. The question then is, why don't ue allow gas stations in thr-
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was very conr-roversial urhen it first came in. That site next to HcDonald'si-. pre--';.rably one of the possibilities here. It's available. It's on the
rrar ket i believe. It would presumably generate Iower traffic levels as
!.Je','3 :re..-: :oni9h! than l',lcDonaId's woui.d. The other siteS might be the
oneE. that we corrsj.dered for Hardee's or the Burdick property on 7B!hStreei-. cll of those are areas that the City has spent a great deal o.time, ef f o:"- and money in getting it to coalescent to a rea] central
busine:s Cislrict offering services needed by the community on a daily cfweekly t,asjs. I'm not sure that this fits the bill.
Erhart: I'-'s requir.ed by the communiL). isn't it?
3e a Year.Kr a u99
Erhart : K j-rd of like a dentlst. You should 90 rncre. crce a year'- I dor'! know. I would think th
-c:a'-ic: would be next to Gary Brourn's station.ea:-!:: business. Going righ'- out the door.Fast focd !'estaurants. Automotive service
often but it core:at, I would thlnk a
and lherr Gar y cc,u i d go
The busi nessstations. Do re have
9'ea'-
ove -
h i ghray .
a servi;e s:a'.ion oi'an auto repair station in the business pa:'k now?
Kraisg: There'9 oiie
6u +-,- r'epai'- use tha+-
ba: kE- c,u;:c' .r, :i,6t?
OIse-
:: there by a conditionaL use
we have in the business park,
per!;l.it. Jo Ann, the
do you have the
was Sefore me. The radiato: store?
Er"har'. : A!+-c UnliT::ed?
Clser: I -'r: ''- knor^
Russ YJ:phy: Tha+- service center or L,,hatever
. . .bui:C:ns. '!'ney have t!^,o automotive places
tenan+-s i. :he building can't even park there
ca:-s r,;::* ser: :rai Iers trying to manuever in
you r,Ja nt to callin there and Lhe
You're going
here.
it is
ot herto mix 4OO
Erhart: The other conce:'n I have with the thing as we go along here is a
couple and I'm not sure, you knou it's sort of described as a place r^rhere
cars come in and go through their 2 minutes and Leave and at 1O?, tha!'sonly 4 cars will, be parked there so I've calculated that out and that-'s nota probLem but you know, is somebody going to hrant to come along and expandthe progr-arn to include diesels at some time? Hotr do we know? Isn't itnatural? It's brell gee, you've got your facility. The State'5 got acontract urith you. It r.lould be natural to include that tcsting too.
Dennis Pa]mer: That's a different testing cntirely. That's a test forparticulate matter. Diesel's create dust particulate. l.le'rc not equippedfor the testing resources.
Erhart: Do they test diesels now someplace? Is there a...to test diesels?
Dennj.s Palmer: Yes, they do. They're typically tested at the factory.l{ost of the pol lution from the diesel is inside the particulate or . . .and
ni.trous oxide is very difficult to do any repairs to.
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Erhar'-: ]c, yor have any facilities lhat test diesels anypLace that you
o!,Jn? AjL g3s? I guess if we proceed with recommending approval on this, -an.: E:jll haven't decjded so I'm having a hard time but I think there's
some o:he: requirements we should add in here. Number one, I think weshould strenglhen both the conditions here and the ordinance to say tha!the'e is nc oulside storage of material or h,aste materials or anything els(at an)'.: j.me. I think bre ought to specifically prohibit testing for dieselpowered vel^icles and I think ue ought to draw, perhaps ue could draw on theline how blg of vehicLes we want coming in here. It's one thing ha!,jng -''!
some cars parked next Lo us in a line but then bre have !o have trucks ard ljnd.rst.ial t:ucks that. are allor.red, then I thjnk there's some very rea)Iegitina'-e concerns on the behalf of the people from Pl.,tT so I guess I -persorral ly t:,ink we ought to look at cutting, the Line someplace. Vans or
sorne'-hil.3 urhere they're rel.atively quiet. Again, I think ue've already gotce-:jt'-ec :-. +-her'e :-,o r.etail sales. The other thing is that r-his js, a: re
- - - r-55_---,- .- , t::s is unde:' a 7 year or 10 year con::-act, I'n .:--s-'r ..,:-:- ,.ihat happe:rs at +-he end of that period? I carr see visi:.nE of
t F:: ,f =. :: :'- i : - co.i: on Tp 5 sitting there empty f or many yea:-s af te:- itr\'as ::ari.:-ec :,:,c +-hey really become unsightly then. I i^roul.d :l-, j:.:k that
s i yr. -. '- - r : : ^ i r 3 : : unde- ccnlract and there,s no: thai_ nuch investr,en._ in'.r. !r ilr:.'., te.;-'- : "-his faci l ity iS nc*- used for 1 year, i-ha'- per rapsrra)::= -.: .-:-l: :-eq-:-e :r-, the conCitional use tha!- it,s dismantl.ecj anaj +- he.r:.'t br :e'--:ied :c. it's naturai si-a!e or soinething. I think thie is aw".-l: ..e". i.'ii:-: I t,hink thcse .Laws are going to be changed and:a=-c'-.' ::.: I ti':n;. ur::i the Lack of investrient in thi.s facili._y,
uPd a'. ed
hlnkwe o-: j-:'- : I be pro+-ec:ing ourselves from a sudden change. AnC I agree r,,r i t l-Pria:,': c'r soneon€ stateC th:s should, if we,re going to go aheaci and makeai !^* j:.air:: cha.ige, it ough.. to be a conditional use as opposed tc aps-::'---e: :se. So I have some concerns with this. I maybe agree wilh9teve. lleybe we need !o get a little bit more information. I guess my
f ee] i:,s is j. r, general, again I wasn't opposed to i! but uhen you h6\,e anares a:,: ycj" neighbor.s come in and object to a change of use in it, Ith: r':k :ne:'e's a .lot of meaning to that and so I'm reil concerned about it -
sc: g:ris: I'Li nake my decision when someone makes a motion.
Cor:'ad: 9a you're waivering? you could 9o either way?
Erhar'-: Yes.
conrad: r don't know that rm going to be able to persuade anybody one wa)or anolhe:. Definitely I have no problem uith it being located inchanhassen. r think it's grea! that this site would be here. r don': haveany probLem with pollution. It,s improving pollution. I think it,sterrific again. The pollution aspect just docsn't ring uith me at aLl.It's irnproving lhe problem. There's no diffcrence betueen cars goinginto l'lcDonald's and cars going into this sitc. I just have no pioblem witFthat Hhatsoever. The question in my mind is uhere it's located inchanhasse. and which is what r think everybody has been sort of hammeringon here. l..1ighu,ay business r.rithout a doubt secms appropriate for me
1O0,OCo cars e year seems like a highway business type of use and that'ssort of wha+, it's designed to take. Industrial park, it gets marginal andI t.hink ue've gone lhrough those exercises of is it the right use. I thinkPaul's commen:s are trying to, he's trying to find a site ihat'sappropriate for it. I think the bottom ]ine for me right now is it's a ner.use. I!'s a use surpr ising the neighbors and Tim, as you said, lhose neuJ
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:'- 9.. l-,-: ',o move th6: we !able the applicar-ion to aIIorr s'-aff !o-!,.. lne is lo acqui;e inf orrnation f r-om other cornnrtrrrit:e= thatta:llities '.c find out wha'! thei:- experience has beer. And
anC :'-'s related, to alloi.r staff time once they've had a chancecornr:unilies, to develop so!.ne standards for this use as a
second?
i+-.
uses have Lo be revlewed carefully because neighbors kind of look at thezoning '-c see what's permitted. I don't think it,s a permitted use. Ithj:rk jt has +-o be a conditional use whi.ch rneans standards. So m), basjcfeelj.ng Iight now is Lo tabLe it and to havb staff take a look ar- thestanC6r'ds that !.lcul d be applicable based on probLems from othercomm.rnities. I'C be very concerned if somebody said if the traffic is
backeC up 3 ancl 4 deep, as a resident or as a neighbor business, I dorr ,.-
think that,'s appropriate. That's not h,hat they're doing. And I also hearthat lhese ale not scheduled and that bothers me. I prefer to have
scheduLed naintenance where we have a day, an hour, whatever and theyprobably lookec at that and found jt's practically impossible but in nyminj I thin< we need the standards to drive this thing. I don't have aprobl.em being a permitled use in highway business. I do have a probLer,
hiith i:5eing a per-r,:'-t-ed use in an industrial and therefore would
recc..r,e-rc '- rat we search 1t out. The governing or the rnethods of al. loidi ngiL a:: con:i:io'.1 en: also having slaff review any kind of con::cl= t.hai-::.-,:i-s::.-i ";c,rl: li ke to place on it. I had one o!her cuestion r^rith !heg--,:rs :efa-: a.::: sa:: cn page 5, unciei grading anc drainage. The
ar-? -'--.:--t : s :-:F:E::rg '.o use Type I silt f ence f cr erosion control !o ..he
sou*-hers: . Ii t-1..', ci:ring co.struct-ion? Those are my conments. If
sOr'e:i<,ay .'.:'.. 1c l: Lre tC nake a mOtlOn
Lr.:' :
.,i.. +
havc-
rlC
r-i
Er l-,a r': : I 'll second
Dennis Pal.mer: tleII
fac i I ities will open
not in operation.
January lst.The program wi]I beein, al]
Erhart: Oh, a)right. So there isn't any addresses that we could 90 visit?
EIIson: But Joan can give you an fllinois address.
Erhart: There's no testing stations in thc Tpin Cities that is oL,ned by
anybody?
Ellson: ft's not required yet. I think He should be able to do this
betr.reen now and going to City Council. I don't know that it needs to betabled and come back.
Emmings: No: if r^le're goin9 to establish slandards.
Conra.j: D:scussicn.
Erh6:'-: Another th:rg that I uJanteci to have lhe next time lhis comes up, f
assur,'j,- Lhe)'e's some o'-her faci]'ities in the Twin Cities area right?
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7cu:- rnotion considering it to beshould i.t be conditional use in
Conrac:If we
is nct
eJert standards, we shouLd Lake a look at i!. If your-
to a.I]ow it, then you're right. Any other discuesio:?
highwa:'
Iocate,j
b;=: :':ess
ln1
a per m i Lled
any distr ict use i: the
i hr+ ir'a
cf
Emrriing!: f guess af t.er' looking atit does seen appropr iate to the BH
agree with Ladd's comments *- itar,
BatzI: : i.JouLdn't
uas.i.ocatec-:
you rather have these standards app.Ly nc matter whe:: it
Conrad: .ean, it should probablv be conditional in both.
86lz:;: : 9,.,ess I'i like inf o:'ma!ion on, I ketrt on thinking that- thisgoirg to:.e ar'€:iy much lin:!ted to common fol.ks, car traf f i.c but E,5OO
9rcs3. ve..i.ie *eighl , j.f that's the correct number, might be a lct of
di.f serer,t c:::structic,n r-ype delivery vehicles and things Ii ke that asI gue:::'a ljr.e to knox f rorn staff, because I don,t have a clea:- ideaNhe'- k:',C lr ,,.e-.:ci.e9 xe're tal. king about anypore f guess. l.Jhat k: ncjvehl:1.,.: .*" ?.:i; '-3 be going through this facility.
f hie r
and if
rel.I -o'
of
ve.h. Aic tha+,'s part jcularly i.mpor+-ant if 1t's gcin€i tc !,e dcw;
ic-:::: --E'-'s ',:-g' 5ecause a :ot
a'- y.-: iirtr-:s:-:al use:'s, they have
r.r..;.
of your jndustrial , if2-3 shifts and they're
you tai.i€ a
ge ner at i ng
look
t. hat -
Emini ngs: But you know they're a ]^ot bigger Ladd. I guessabout tha: too. Like Rosemount, Lhey've got, if they haveand they do don't Lhey? So lhey're generating that kind ofit's also a houi many acre site
I uas thinking
1 ,OOO emp l oyees -
traffic bu!
Emmings: tleII I think it might
was first thinking gee, that'suow, that's a big site and thisimpact is a lot more,
have a lot to do uith it. I don,t know. I_less than Rosemount and then I'm thinkingis just a little one. I think maybe the
Conrad: If you put a
have sorne i mpacls .
lot of I j.ttle uses like that together, then you may
Ba'-zl i : !.Jel I r.:z./be, mayhe not but the interesting thing is, there's g:ingtr b.- 4?^ '-:'ip: rnaximurn someday and tha.-'s true. If you do have a jot oflarge. vef,jcles going trrough *-here it might but if thjs is going to be ape:i:::'-: - -:., I actualiy think it changes the reflection of $ha: Icc:.g::..- an ICP dist:.ict because f guess I didn't consider a use l!ke thatgert+'. e'-- r-: t;.:'- kinc of traffic to be appropriate before tonigh! and Idon't kr,cr if I st j i L do but.
Conrad; But what does that have to do Hith it?
Krauss: If I may, that gets into the question of h,hether or not thisprecedence setting and as we viewed it it,s not. you,re talking abou! an
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cf licen=ed used through the State of Minnesota to satisfy a
!: you know safety inspect!ons rnight be next. A federalr,igh! be nex:. You know it might not be a one type deal.
n e;,J ,q:at,e
Qr+r'i. o
i nspec'- i or'
Conr ai:
bu'- t he;
See that would rorry:he feds can dicLate
me. trhat ure're saying right
some other things and pretty nolJ
soo n
is, 4O0 carsit 's !her e .
Emm i ngs :
for esee -
rhe proof is that we djdn't- f oresee lhis one so I guess r.re can't
Co;:rac: r.rell you know this type of'use has !o be, it has to have a place
tJe'r'e trying r-o find a piace for it. That happens to be Roman's properLy
'-1:'-': ':-e ! r*- you kncr, i+-'S try:n9 !o Sort !r- in logicallv where :t'gi:+:: :i:.;: :- Cha-,Las:e:.
E:i:l j | : :.-,-- k:r.):^, tnat anybod), on the Conrnission, and I'm kinC <.f
SF.:. i -- -: i:-c: ji;z n:re, is againsl having this lype of f ac j. lity and evenp(,:a-'-::ll:- :- aLar-rhas,se:: salnrei,,,rher e. 'l'he quest:on i.s uhet-her i+- b,elong=
=' :po:i rg I t l-.ink . I don't know if ycu feel tha|- uJey. There: i-,ea:r i/ve are d:'awing a Iot cf traff:c i-.rto the area orr :-oads
pl.an, that TH 5
Sina I L ma it' er
*e5a) c,lr,gestec anC r^Je'Ve gone ovel' that tirre and time agair.-'s already busy, well you've gct 40C
on a big ship naybe but he,-, .i.'. 's 403mcre '-::;'
y= ':.: ^e s:,culo s+-op cjevel.opnent .
-h:: is- '', deveiopmen*-.
.!L-- i- :.^
Ahre:,:: I'-'s s- semi-quasi public use.
Ba.,zl j : 'Ihat 'S devel.opi'.ren+. .
Ellscn: But 4OO cars coul.d come just easily with a new office buiLding.
Conrad: Aoso Iu te I y .
Erhart: You knour the flip side of that whole
some 8,5OO pound trucks here and on the otherconditional use concrele mixing,
Erhart: Sc, the fact is it exists
f irm tha'. ho^s trucks, I don't knohlknor? 'flrey have trucks there all
AuCience: . . .It 's construction.
Batzli: But f mean are they 9oin9tr ips .
next to this building is some kjnd
urhat they do in that buildins. Dothe time.
thi ng .
hand we
l.le 'r e
also
uorrying
alloH as a
a bou +-
ofa
you
Batzli: Yeah, I saw that and the tyansfer terminal .
in and out? Generating a couple hundred
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ConraC: The motion has been made and seconded to table this and for staffreview. Is there any more discussion?
Emmings moved, Erhart seconded to table action on the Vehicle InspectionStation for Jerry Perkins of Pope Associations for further study of otherexisting uses and directing staff to study this application as aconditional use permit. AII voted in favor except AnnetLe EIIson whoopposed and the motion carried with a vote of 5 to 1.
Conrac: Ana your reasons Annette?
E.} jsor,: I thinx rnat it shoujdn't be in the industrial office park and notthat they shou.l.dn't be looking into that but I think they could have ]ookeainto tne typica] neighoors and what people's reactions are by the time itgot to Ciry CounciI. And I think the other districts are better for it.
Conracj : PauI , have r.re given you enough direction inIike to see when Lhis comes back?
lerms of what we 'd
Krauss: Nell I think we have enough direction to come back and get you th,-information you're seeking. tlhat's not clear to me is if fundamentaL.j.ythey come back in, let's say Ee come up with revised ordinance standards.It's processed as a CUP, is it stil] going to be objectionable from thenature of the fact that it's on this si.te in the IOp district? If it is,I think that the applicant should be auare of that so they don,t (astetheir time on it.
Conrad: I think there's
something that could betherefore I don't thinkright noH to say if a]1.it? tJe don't knoh, butsay it is a conditional.not comfortable that wethen it won't be turnednot toying uith people.
be done.
a lot of swing. tJe're balancinE right no.., anda condition might satisfy rne to say yes- Andthere's anyb,ay to r6ad the Planning Commission -the conditions are right, are ue going to vote forI think it's one of those things erhere lre have touse. tlhat are those standards and if ure're still
have control with those standards in that district,doun. It's not a uaste of somebody's time. tle'retJe're taking a good look et what we think should
Audience: tJell, they're out in the morning and back at night. But you'vegot a lot of. . .
-Erhart; On one hand ue'd aII like to have it to be some rea] pristine I
industriaL, offi.ce j.ndustrial park Iike Baker Park you knour but it's notthere. PMT's got a nice building. l.le have a nice building but then right-across from us is a service station. TuJo service stations and a icontractor's yard dith a potential concrete mixing plant so I don't know.This is a tough one. I don't see it as a big problem but.
'1
Conrad: Again, I don't see it as a big problem today. I'm really worried i
about the future. I'm worried about traffic. I'm worried about what otherstuff goes in there, .r
Erhart: The one thing I said I'd never do as a Planning Commissioner is beurishy uashy.
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Krauss: And Paul , if I could inlerject. If )zou could ge! some idea onuhat the truck traffic r.lould be, it would help me. A car a minute isn,t sobad but if you're talking about a lot of trucks, r.rhat kind of traffic are
ure talking about here?
Conrad: Okay. Might this come back when Paul?
Krauss: tlell it seems to be your intent to wherever it goes toa conditional use permit which requires publication so it couldthe next meeting. I uould anticipate 4 uleeks from today.
Ernmi ngs : T hat 's tr ue
continue it?if we just leave the public hearing open. Just
process asnot be at
Krauss:that ure
LJe have a publication requiremertve sat j.sf ied that by posting it as
for the CUP's and I'm not surea rezoni ng .
Conrad: Everybody comfortabl.e with that?
Emmings: f 'n: comfortable Ietting him worry about it.
tle'I Ifor
AI Iverson: I was curious. There's no date given for the next place forthis to shouJ up or the next meeting.
Conrad: l,ie haven't right now. [.le're guessing
eveyy 2 weeks, Not next meet.ing. The meetingpubl ished .
Krauss: t,e'l L renotify .
Conrad: tteighbors wiII be communicated to.
Al fve;son: tJe did not receive the previous.I didn't have very much
Har ni n9 about this meeting.
Conrad: Notice go out to everybody?
Krauss: Yes . And l.1r . Iverson tal ked to me about
Al Iverson; Last uJhen?
Krauss: LasL Hee k .
it last week.
Al Iverson: For me it was...7 days isn't much notice and I don't know rhyPauI...telI us earlier.
not next meeting.after. It will be
l^le mee t
Krauss: The fact of the matter is, ue're not clairvoyant. tje
uhen these things are going to come up and bre notify people onthat we've been adhering to for years which gives them about ahalf to 2 u,eeks notice.
don't know
the schedule
week and a
Conrad: Sorry f or the delay but I think that's rrhat r.re have to do.definitely make it on the agenda as soon as we can. Thank you allcoming in. You had a comment?
CITY OF
EHANHISSEI[
STAFF REPORT
PC DATE:
CC DATE:
CASE #:
By:
70/3/so
LO/22/9O
90-8 SUB
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Prelininary Plat for 3 outlots and Right-of-way forI{arket Boulevard and rrBowling Alleyrr Road
I,OCATION:
APPLICANT:city of chanhassen
PRESENT ZONTNG:
ACRXAGE:
DENSITY:
ALTACENT ZONING AND
I,AND USE :BG
BG
BG
BG
chan Borrl and Filly t srailroad tracksFillyts and Country Suites Hotelfuture llarket Square Shopping Ctr.
WATER AND SEWSR:Available to the site.
PHYSICAL CHAPACTER. :The site currently contains lIarket Boulevard
and Bowling Al1ey Road, and a portion ofFillyrs parking Iot.
2OOO I,AND USE PI,AN:Cornrnercial
(,
PROPOSAL:
Market Boulevard betueen West 78th Street and theRailroad Tracks, the westerly portion of trBowling
Al.Ieyt' Road and property just north and south of rrBowling
AlLeyrt Road
Bc, ceneral Business
N-s-
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october 3, 1990
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BACKGROI'ND
As part of the downtown redevelopnent and the cityrs acquisition ofthe Instant web building, the City purchased, through roetes and
bounds description, the subj ect property. Since the transactions
were done by netes and bounds descriptions, the right-of-ways
acquired for Market Boulevard and rrBowling Alleyrt Road do not show
on any half section maps or plats and it is unclear as to theextent and location of city owned land located in the Filly's
parking lot. Therefore, staff initiated the prelininary plat to
Iocate the city owned property and to have the street right-of-ways
shown on aJ,I plats and half sections for future reference.
PROPOSAL
The proposal is to plat the right-of-way for l,{arket Boulevard andI'Bowling Alleyt' Road. In addition, the preliurinary plat iscreating 3 outlots (A, B and C) which are also under cityownership. Outlots A and B are Located within Fifly's parking lot
and outlot C is a renmant piece south of itBowling Alleyrr Road andnorth of the raj,lroad track. A11 of the property is proposed to beplatted as right-of-way or as an outLot.
The City wi.1I be retaining or.rnership of the 3 outlots and theoutlots will renain as outlots and unbuildable unless cornhined with
adjacent properties. Currently, the size and configuration of theoutlots results in then being unbuildable. The city is in theprocess, alongr with the Southwest l,letro Transit Conmission, of
considering relocating the bus shelter currently located on llarketBoulevard. The first proposal was to relocate the shelter ontoOutlot C, but due to the linitations fron being required tonaintain an area of open site distance for the railroad trackcrossing at Market Boulevard, the shelter is non proposed forOutlot A (Attachnent #1). There lrilI sti1l be landscaping
irnprovements and a bus turnaround provided on outlot C. Parkingfor the bus shelter, the bus shelter and improvenents rriII begrranted by the City to the Southwest l,letro Transit cornmission byeasenent over Outlots A and B. Outlot C is now proposed prinarilyfor only the bus turnaround and accessory improvements. To furtherensure that the bus shelter, bus turnaround and accessory
irnproveurents are public improvements, staff is reconnending thatrrBovling Alley'r Road right-of-way incl.ude Outlot C and the portionof Outlot A which will contain the bus shelter. This wiLl allowthe improvernents which rrould not be pernitted on an ,routlotrr sincean outlot can not be developed. southwest lt[etro Transit conuissionwill retain a 5 to 1,0 year easeEent over the bus shelterinprovenents and will be responsible for maintenance. Should thebus shelter not be pernanent and again be relocated, the portionof right-of-hray no longer necessary could be vacated. plans forthe relocation of the shelter are only conceptual at this tine.
The HRA has agreed in principal but final approvals are yet to be
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obtained.review by
neetinqs .
staff recommends the
motion:
NoTE: The reason for the quotation narks around I'Bo$rling Al1eyl
Road i,s that this is not the official name nor does anyone want itto be the official name of the street. When Uarket Boulevard wasconstructed, a contest was held to nane the street. The City
Council could again initiate such a contest.
RECOMMENDATION
In addition, the site plan will need to be finalized forthe Planning Conmission and City Council at future
Planning Cornmission adopt the folloving
ItThe Pfanning Cornmission reconmends approval of Prelirninary PIat
#90-8, for Easy Ryder Addition as shown on the plat dated September
6, 1990, with the following conditions:
1. outlot c and the portion of outlot A used for the bus shelter
shalL be shown as part of itBowLing Al1ey'r Road right-of-way.
ATTACHMENTS
Bus shelter inprovements.Plat dated Septenber 5, 1990.
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.Continuouo Right Iane {by citv}
. Pdestrian Crossiag
. Identification Sign
Bo l,tL ,tt(.LL Le-l R<vr>
hailroad
'Relocated Bus Sholtar
Ooncrete PavitrS
Clear Zone (trim evergreen trees
.Amenitiee
Liaht Bicrcb nrct
Beocho!
ToloPhon.
]RANSIT STATION C ONCEPT B
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Chairman Conrad caIIed the meetins
I.iEI.IBERS PRESENT:
to order at 7:45 p.m.
Emmings, Ladd Conrad
tJiIdermuth and Joan
Director and Jo Ann
Tim Erhart, Steve
Annette EIIson, JimTEHEERS ABSENT:
STAFF PRESENT:
and Brian Batz I i
Ahrens
OIsen, Seni orPaul Kreuss, PI anni ng
Planner
Krauss: If I could just point out. tJe did notify the Timberwood,
notify t.hem as a matter of courtesy since they may be able to view
from a distance and we haven't heard back from them.
we did
this
Scott Spesiak: tlell I'm Scott Spesiak with Shafer contracting representing
the applicant. I don't have anything to add unless you have questions
about it.
Erhart moved, Emmings seconded to clos€ the public hearing- All voted in
favor and the motion carried- The public hearing lraa closed-
Erhart: I've got one thing here. On the last temporary excavation we came
up with this $3O.oO per hour for staff time to do the inspections. I'm
concerned. I'm concerned we set a precedent with the Jeurissen thing and I
have a concern with that. Let me ask a question. tlhen we issue buildinspermits, and see this applicant is required to pay I think a $401 .oo
building permit. When someone builds a house and we charge a buildingpermit, do we then additional charge them for the inspection time to 9o out
and inspec! that construction at some hourly rate?
Krauss: No we don't. However, urhen you look at the building Permit fees
for anytshing other than a single family home, a commercial develoPment for
example that's fairly subsLantial , the building Permit fees are quite Iarge
and cover substantial amount of time.
Erhart: For commercial?
Krauss: For commercial, industrial type of thing.
with it or what? Are you providingEr har t:
a service
l.lhy? Because you can get aureyrelative Lo the pr ice?
CHANHASSEN PLANNING COIII{ISSIOI{
REGULAR I,IEETING
SEPTEHBER 19, 1990
PUBLTC HEARING:
INTERI},I USE PERiIIT FOR A GRADING Pf,OJECT TO EXCAVATE 60.000 CI.tsIC YARDS OF
I{ATERIAL LOCATED NORTH OF IICGLYNN DRI\rE. JUST SOTTH OF lFl.lY 5. SHAFER
CONTRACTING.
Jo Ann olsen presented the staff report on this item. Chairman Conradcalled Lhe public hearing Lo order.
conrad: Anything that you'd Iike to?
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September 19, 1990 - Page 2
Krauss: Sure. f mean we have to staff up to have our experts on staff togo out there and we need to coordinate urith heating conLractors. I meanit's the whole works. t,e did not come up with that $3O.OO an hour charge.That's taken out of the Uniform Building Code for grading operations.
Erhart: Oh, you m€an they actually recommendinspections for bu i Idi ngs?
an hourly charge but not for
Krauss: t^tell because the difference is ue don't have a building toin costs for the inspection. If there was a construction soins on.would have that base and would have generated the cash to cover the
exPenses.
figure
NE
Erhart: Hy concern with the thins is that it puts the City in a positionof arbitrarily deciding how much staff time gets charged to an applicant.Then it sets you up for a situation where as the thing progresses, let'ssay that our City doesn't get along urith this particular applicant and onething leads to the other and then aII of a sudden, well because this guy isnot maybe cooperating we send more people out and thEn he starts pointingfingers at us. You're trying to burden me uith aII these additional costs -just to get back at me and we're setting ourself up for a real conflict. Ihave a concern and I just wanted to express it and see what some of theother commissioners
Conrad: Do you have a solution?
Erhart: Just make the initial, well one of the solutions is to beconsistent with the building permit. The oLher one of course is to figurein the permit which you estimate it uiII cost to manage the thing.
Krauss: You could do that. I mean you can come up with an estimated costup front. I should teII you though that one of the things we're looking atat a department head level in r€sponse to th€ budget shortfall the City'sin.right now, is the r.rhole |rospect of rather than Iooking at taxes as asolution, is user fees. Now that surface wat6r management fund sort ofperphiferally comes under that heading but more directly we found, we'resurveying a number of communities and we found that a large number ofcommunities charge permit application fees for development applications.But then thev also biII staff time. They require an €scrou, and birl stafftime for Jo Ann's time on a project or someLhing like thaL. Right now wedon't do that. That's aII on the cuff.
Erhart: Yeah, I undersLand.
Krauss: This is a rather unique situation uhere the Uniform Building codegave us the right to do that $3o.oo an hour charge and we're using it nou,r.The Jeurissen application I think it's fair to say presented us withPotentially significantly more inspection relatcd problems or concerns orissues than this application does. hle frankLy see onry minimar need toinspect this siie. There are several reasons for that. The location isdifferent. We don't have the impact to residents. It is a ilnDotcoordinated project and comes under their regulations and Lhey will be overseeing it and they have inspectors out as weII so we think it's a littlebit different.
Planning Commission Heetins
September 19, 1990 - Page 3
Conrad: You bring up a good point. You know if you're a small contractor,you kind of have to know what you're going to be assessed for. I hear yourpoint Tim. PauI's point, or counter point is there's nothing there toassess. There's noL a building going up with a value so the permit is,there's nothing to establish a fee based on. I guess we should forecast orproject an anticipated cost to somebody. I think these are differentsitualions. I'm not uncomfortable at al] doing what we're doing. I guessthe only thing I feel sensitive to is like, uhat are we telling theapplicant that they're going to be assessed? tle really haven't. t,le sortof said $3O.OO an hour. You know, 30 times what?
Erhart: tlell PauI's got a good argument. One guy, to set a uniform rate
based on cubic yards or something like that is, maybe it's unfair on oneguy because he isn't a user and requires a ]ot of monitoring, will incur aIot of city costs while the oLher guy who follows lhe rules like we knowyou wiII, he deserves to not have to be charged as much so that's the otherside of the argument. I just uanted to bring it up as an issue. f'm not
uncomfortable with the way it is.
Conrad: It's a valid issue.
Krauss: I don't knou if it enhances your comfort level at aII Tim but uefeel, if we're going to get into this, the inspections on this righ! now
and possibly other ways of charging in the future, we believe it would be
encumbant upon us to provide accurate bills indicating what we did and when
and keep consistenL time sheets much as the consultants do who biII us fortheir time -
Erhart: Yeah, that wasn't r.,hat I was concerned about, tlhat I'm concernedabout is this, for some reason you have an employee who just doesn't have aIot to do this month and it's so easy to say, well maybe take another tripout to Jeurissen, It adds up and the temptation is there when you do itthis way and it's going to happen. I'm not saying there's a better way.
Conrad: But how can we pin it down? I guess I'Il follor^r up. Ho$, can we,it's ]ike we know the $3o.oo an hour and we said b,e t.lant, I said forJeurissen, I wanted somebody ouL there, I don't care if it's daily to see
what's happening in that particular case until I was convinced that they
were doins the right thing. They should pay for that and convince the
inspector that they're doing the right thing and the sooner they do that,the faster their fees stop. But again, projecting to an applicant what thepotential cost would be rather than saying !E3O.OO an hour, can h,e go beyond
that? Can u,e forecast what we expect over a period of time? Can we be
saying that this will be $3o.OO an hour. h,e estimate 1O hours per week and
something Iike that. Is that appropriate PauI?
Krauss: teLl, I wouldn't be surprised Mr. Chairman if we could,particularly with a Iittle more experience in this, develop esLimates tha!
when, Iike a consultant u,hen they're wor king with us. tlhen they approachthat estimate and they haven't finished the job it's encumbant upon Lhem to
explain why and get permission to proceed on further. We tried in the
Jeurissen and in Lhis application to undertake an analysis of what siterestoration costs r^,ere. Ballpark figures of r^,hat inspection costs were andthat's reflected in the Ietter of credit. So certainly ue're talking abouta fraction of what that letter of credit is or inspections and we have
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urorked up a number. A ballpark number. Right now, given the fact that hrehaven't done any of these yet, I'm a little bit relunctant to second guess r
hrha! the ceiling might be. But certainly u,ith a little bit more experience
ure could do that.
Scott Spesiak: Just as an applicant I guess I need to express our feeLings-also in that ure don't like to see something open ended. Hou,ever, I thinkit does behoove the applicant to perform according to the application
submitted and also the recommendation of staff before...guidelines that are-put on the approval. If the application does those, then the
inspections. . .shouldn't be a real problem. On the other hand, if you don't
operate according to the things you're going to perform that you said you
urould, then you're open to... I think it aould be hard to predict...what
that's 9oin9 to amount Lo.
Emmings: In that regard we could, you know to help geL a handle on that.I suppose one thing you can use is the City's own experience withindividuals. . .proven themselves to be worthy of close inspection. And
maybe part of the application ought to be some references in Lhe sense that-
ule've done work in these communiLies so we know who to call and check and
see how Lhey've done in the past. If Lhere's somebody we don't haveexperience trith in that regard
Batzli: I think that becomes arbitrary though then. If ure personally have
had experience with them and had problems, to set a rate based on whatother communities' experiences have been with that particular contractor,it's almost Ii.ke getting a black Iist.
Emminss: t^lelI . it's noL a black Iist.
Batzli: If you're going to set a rate on it.
Emmings: tle're not going to say you can't mine here. tle're jusL going
say that based on your work and other people's experience with you, He'suspicious. I r.rouldn't have any trouble with thaL,
to
re
Krauss: I hope it came across in the report that we have had, or the Cityhas had a relationship with Hr. Spesiak's firm in the past and it's been avery good one and we don't anticipate any of the concerns that were raised -during the Jeurissen escapade that surfaced here. And we're much morecomfortable therefore with this proposal . But again, I don't know hot.r lhatwould be a variable where ue'd set a ceiling on what we might do.
Er har t : Hor.r di d you come with the $4O1 .OO?uP
theOlsen: It's right out of Code in here. The UBC.
Erhart: Based on volume? So that's thegoing to suggest that we just base it onthat. That's the one thing, to make thetreat everybody the same.
number based on volume. I was
volume but you're already doing
whole thing based on volume and
Krauss: Based on volume.
Planning Commission Heeting
September !9, 799C. - Page 5
E mmi ngs r
and I doto pay.
I don't know if that's realIy fair. If I'mexactly what I say I'm going to do, I don'L
a
see
good
whv
clean operatorI should have
ScoLt Spesiak: Pay for the person h,ho isn't. Volume isn't solelynecessarily commensurate wiLh problems.
Emmings: We want
we?
to punish the bad guys and reward Lhe good guys don't
Conrad: I thought so.
Erhart: My concern is, i
an hour, the tempLation igain the revenues.
t's the nature ofs that somebody's
organization. There's $3O.o0going to send a guy out there
IN
Lo
Krauss: l^Je I I you know, I've worked as a consultant and I can tell you fromexperience thaL that often happens when you're a consultant because you
need to be billable. [.,1e're not a for prof it enterprise. f mean there'snot that kind of pressure, at Ieast there isn't right nou.
Erhart: There's an inherent nature in any organization to expand whetherit's government organization or private. To justify people. Economictimes as it is, to maintain people and it's one of those things that's
soing to lend itself to abuse I lhink. I'm not saying I'm dead against it,I'm just saying I think it's going to lead that way.
Conrad: Let's watch and see what happens.
Emmings: I concur with the staff report on
Erhart: Everything else I agree with.
Batzli: I really like the staff report but.did you prepare it? t^las I thoughL tre had apermits - ,
Olsen: tJe had mineral excavation.
this.
My only question Jo Ann, or
fancy title for our earth work
BaLzIi: But you did go through the conditional use or interim use criteria
as weII plus the earth r.lor k permit criteria. So it was really kind of likeyou r^rer e Lwo tracking two permits at once in one application even though
Batzli: My only question uras, in the earth work permit section of the Codethat we just passed, ae have language that they have to apply for an earth
r^ror k permit. I don't really see us saying in here that we've given it to
them or Lhey have to apply for it- I know you h,ent through the analysisbut my question is just to the procedure of how and again see, I'm notgoing to talk about this thing. I'm going to talk about procedures andthings. As to how we improve the earth h,ork permits if there's an interim
use involved or something else, do ue not then caII an earth hrork permit?
Do u,e calI it an interim use? Procedural question really.
Krauss: tle've been calling it an interim use permit for earth work. It'snot a two track permit procedure. It's not Iike a site plan.
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September f9, 1990 - Page 6
you never really mentioned it,
Krauss: t^Jell you have two sets of sLandards.
Batzli: That's right. My onlx question, or problem with it is if our
ordinance says they're going to apply for an earth work permit but yet inthe conditions of approval we never say anything that ue've given it to
!hem, just question as to whether should do that. I don'L know. I think
r.re should just lake a look at the earth work permit. I have no problem
with this that this is how ure should do it but I think we should somehowget in there that approval of interim use/earth work permit or something
because I think they do, you did a nice job of analyzing the ordinance but -then ure never realIy said ule were giving them that permit.
Olsen: It's similar to like a conditional use for a fast food restaurant
where we go Lhrough the specific conditions.
Krauss: [^le can also ask the City Attorneythe future two motions on that. tJe didn'tif you did, he might as well.
if he feels ther einterpreL it that should be in
way but maybe
Conrad: Anybody care abouL what Brian is say i ng?
Emmi ngs: No! a bit.
BatzIi: That b,ent r4ithout saying.
Emmings: tlhere is Shafer, Minnesota? That's the burning question.
Scott Spesi a k :
Taylors Fal Is .that says that
aluays is. It's ons actually just offpeople 1i ve there .
Itrt'
180
HuJy 8 east of Lindstrom. A]mos! to
Hwy 8. There's a little sign thereI think that's the 1980 census.
Conrad: Paul, can you check with our attorney just to make sure we'rehandling it properly - I guess, from a procedural standpoint, geez I don'tknow. I really don't know.
Krauss: We can certainly ask Roger. By the way, I should tell you that we-
Here trying to cooperate Hith the contractor and with MnDot on this becausethe earth is going to be moved for TH 5 and we were going to expedite orpropose expediting their request by getting it on the City Council meeting -on Monday. t^le could certainly find out the ansuer to that question belureen
nour and then.
Conrad; okay, Any more discussion? Is there a motion?
BatzLi: f guess I view the earth urork permit as more of a wetlandalteration kind of process where you give them soparate and Lhat's kind of -how f expected them to see coming through here. And if we do it in oneshot Iike Lhis, that's fine. But I don't knou, the other commissionersdidn't seem to
Erhart: I didn't understand it.
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September 19, ].99O - Page 7
Batzli: I move that the P]anning Commission recommends approval of Inlerim
Use,/EarLh tlork Permit *90-4 r.,ith the conditions outlined in the staffreport.
Emmi ngs: Second -
Conrad: See, all the power goes to the guy making the motion.
Batzli moved, Emmings seconded that the Planning Commission recommend
approval of Interim Use/Earth tJork Permit *9O-4 subject to the following
condi t ions :
The applicant shall provide the City r.rith a letter of credit in the
amount of $3a,15O.OO to cover any road damage, maintenance of erosioncontrol measures and site restoration.
3
2
The applicant shalI provide a Traffic Control PIan for staff approvalproviding specifications on how truck hauling traffic will becontrolled, specifically during rush hour periods.
4- The applicanL shalI obtain and comply wiLh alI permit requiremenLs ofthe Ri ley-Purgatory-BIuff Creek t^latershed District.
1
7
10.
5
6
a
The appl^icant shall supply the City with a mylar as-built surveyprepared by a professional engineer upon completion of excavation to
verify the grading plan has been performed in compliance with the
proposed pIan.
Topsoiling and disk mulch seeding shaII be implementedfollowing the completion of excavaLed areas.
immediatel y
Noise ]evels stemming from the operation are not to exceed ?'lnPcA and
EPA regulations. If the city determines that there is a problem,
warranting sucy test shall be paid for by the applicant.
Hours of operation are Iimited to 7:OO a.m. Lo 5:oO p.m,, Monday
through Saturday and prohibited on national holidays. The the City
Engineer determines that traffic conflicts result due to rush hourtrafic f1ows, the hours of operation will be appropriately restricted.
The City wiII work with the County Sheriff to coordinate speed and
weight checks. If trucks are violating traffic laws, staff wiII11.
The applicant shall submit $4Ot.OO grading permit fee as required bythe Uniform Building Code and aII city and county staff time used to
monitor and inspect the operaLion shall be paid at a rate of !i3o.oo per
hour.
The applicant shalI make arrangements to cap the existing welI in
accordance with aIl state, county and local requirements prior toinitiating grading operations.
Temporary setLling basins shaII be constructed during the grading
operations on an as needed basis or as requested by the City.
9.
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reguire that the operation be shut down and wi]I ask the City Councilto revoke the permit.
All voted in favor and the notion carried unaninously-
REGULATIONS OF THE I.IETLANO OROINANCE REGULATING ACCESS CLASS A ANDB I.IETLANDS. ( TYPES 2-A ).
Jo Ann Olsen presented the staff report on this item. Chairman Conradcalled the public hearing to order.
Batzli moved, Emmings seconded to cloee the public hearing- AII voted infavor and the motion carried. The public hearing ras closed.
Batzl"i: tJhat happened to the gravel?
Olsen: It was denied. They do have
we've given them nou, until I believethe winter months uiII be better for
to remove it.May. May 15th
them to remove
In working t,tith ONR ,of next year becauseir.
betwoen gravel . in thissLill preferred
Batzli: He came here? Tha!'s what I missed then. Okay.
Olsen: And he said that there was a...difference
case between gravel and a boardwalk but that they
boardwal k .
Emmings: In general they'd prefer it.
Batzli: I like it. I think it's good to clarify it because we did havekind of an ambiguous part before- I would just clarify paragraph 6. There
r^rould be a comma after the word level and change the word and,/or so itwould read, above the ground Ievel , or ordinary high water mark where open -h,ater is present, .
Emmings: Did you know you stole his idea?
Batzli: Oid I? f'm sorry. I retract it.
Olsen: So you're taking out or?
Bat.zli: I'd take out and and put in or.
olsen: So what happens Hhen there's ground and lrater?
then?
Erhart: tlhichever is highest.
Does that apply
PUBLIC HEARING:
ZONING ORDINANCE AHENDIIIENT TO AITEND SECTION 2O-4O9. GENERAL DEVELOPHENT
BatzLi: And the DNR basically said that gravel is not a good way to go?
He had some expert at DNR telling him that.
Emmi ngs: He came here.
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Emmi ngs:
wouldn 't
Olsen:
Emm i ngs :
Krauss:the Lwo.
Batzli:
Erhart:
Krauss:
Erhart:
Olsen:you get
It's the ordinary high water mark I h,ould think that wiII alh,ays,you always be usi n9?
t^lell the vegetation goes beyond that.
oh yeah.. You're absolutely rishL.
l.lhen you're giving them the option, they could pick the lower of
tlel] mine doesn't work at aII.
It doesn't say whichever is the
That's right.
The and sounds funny -
I'II Iet Tim fix it then-
hishest.
Batzlir I think it needs clarification is the problem. I think you're
trying to keep it 5 to 8 inches above no ma|ter uhat it's going over is theintent and that's what ue need to get it to say. Yeah, whichever ishighest because you'd have to keep it at the same level .
The
to
thing would be going Iike this but you'd be going? By the time
the water, you might be 5 feet?
Krauss: No . t^,hy? I mean if it f oI Iowed
Lhat and uhen you entered over Lhe water,
elevation. Or 6 inches rather.
the ground elevation 6you're 6 feet over the
feet above
u,a ter
Erhart:hjeI I at any
That 's the
So it should
given point.
way I interpret it.
say 6 to 8 inches at any given point above the ground
Kr auss :
OIsen:
level?
Krauss:
Batzl i :
Ol.sen: I
Erhart:
have any
Batzli:
slope.
Or wherever it 's measured.
wherever measured, yeah, Did that heIP or are you confused?
'm confused. . .
To me, I just had a note that it didn't guite read right. I didn't
sure fire solution Lo it.
Yeah. I didn't think about the case where )zou're going down a
Emmi ngs:
mark and
mark.
t,le I I you cou ld say5 to 8 inches above
6 to I inches above the ordinary high water
the ground when above the ordinary high water
olsen: But he's saying, whichever is highest.
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September 19, !99O - Page 10
Erhart:
Emmi ngs :
BatzI i :
Emmi ngs :
Erhart:
Emmi ngs:
BatzI i :
Emmi ngs :
make sense?
Erhart: The most clear way to do ir is to separate it into two sentences.
tlhen installed above the ground.
Emmings: Not above the ground. Above the ordinary high water mark.
Olsen: Are we Iosing that that's stiII within a wetland?
Emmi.ngs: If the water's Iow you can be above the ground but belob, theordinary high water mark. I Ehink you Hant to use the ordinary hish, OHtlas your break poi nt .
Batzli: I Iove drafting things by committee.
Emmi ngs: No, it's horrible.
Conrad: It doesn't wor k.
Olsen: You can say, uell have staff come back with another one.
conrad: tJhoever makes the motion has the opportunity.
Batzli: Let's skip over Steve. You nork on something. Tim, have you
anything?sot _
Erhart: No, I didn't have a so.lution. My comment only was that it reads aIittle awkward. I think the intent is there but.
conrad: Any other comments?
Emmings: Yeah. I don't understand
O.Lsen: I think that's where we're
Emmings: It says access, vehicularonly be considered when the accesssaid it 's vehicular access.
OIsen: Risht.
the first sentence of Paragraph 7
sayi n9 ,
At any point per iod.
Does that make sense?
I think that does.
So it uill be 6 to 8 inches above the ordinary water mark.
or ground Ievel.
And 6 to 8 inches above the ground ]evel when.
Higher than the ordinary high uater mark.
or being installed above the ordinary high water mark. Does that
on fiII through a wetland wiIIfor vehicles. You've already
access
must be
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September 19, 1990 - Page 11
Emmings: I think you said the thing twice there. I Lhink what you'rereally saying is access on, if you drop out vehicular and say access onfilI material through a wetland shalI only be considered when the accessmust be for vehicles. Or the other uray around.
Olsen: Oh, okay. I see what you're saying,
Emmi ngs: otherwiseIike it better thatyou Nant it to.
say vehicular access shal ]uray. Just drop vehicular.
only be considered. No, I
Then it says what I think
Conrad: Access on fiII material?
Emmings: On fi]l as opposed to an elevated walkway -
Batzli: In other words, if you can put rocks in there, you canthat if iL has to be for a vehicle.only do
Emmings: Otherwise you're saying vehicular
when the access must be for vehicles, That
access will only be allowed
makes no sense at aII-
Erhart: Are you going to change that?
Emmings: I can write something here.
olsen: Do you need Lhe open urater?
Erhart: I took it out and then actually I put it
of the
back in.
one scenario where theBatzli: I don't know that lhat takes careground is above the ordinary water mark.
Emmings: I think the problem uith the way you're saying it is when thewater Level is below the OHtl .
Batzli: Risht. Hhen the Hater level is down.
ground -Emmings: Then you're above the
Erhart: You're going to be above
Emmings: Yeah, but you wantground is there. You want toyou're over ground.
the ground.
5 to a inches above the ground
to 8 inches above the OHII even
to bebe6
r.r he n t he
though
Erhart: Okay. Let me try one on the other one then while you're workingon that. Pedestrian access through a Class A wetland, walkway elevated 6lo 8 inches above the ground level or ordinary high water mark urhere openwater exists, measured at any point along the length of the boardwalk andshall be a maximum uridth of 5 feet. tlalkway elevated 5 to 8 inches abovethe ground Ievel or ordinary high water mark ulhere open water exists
measured aC any point along the length of the boardwalk and shall be a
maximum width of 6 feet.
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SepLember t9, l99O - Page !2
Erhart: Oh, oh, oh, oh yeah. Okay.
O]sen: Uhat if we put
point that occur above
the walkway elevated 6 to I inches at any given
the ground level or ordinary.
Batzli: I think you want toordinary high water mark and
i nstal Ied above the ordinaryget across.
it'd have to be 6 to 8 inches above theI inches above the ground leve] when
water mark. That's what you're trying to
say '6to
hish
Olsen: RiSht. But do we need to specify that that's only within uretland
above the ordinary high uater mark or do you think that's clear?
Emmings: Sure it is because you're taLking about access through a r^ret]and.-
Conrad: can't the City Council read these Minutes.
Batzli: I think you urant to emphasizeordinary high uater mark and a specialthe ordinary high water mark.
that
ca se
it's
when
6to8you're inches above
above ground
the
above
Emmings: That will do it. Make a motion.
Batzli: f move that the Planning Commission recommends approval of Zoning
Ordinance Amendment amending Section 2O-4O9 as the staff has in Section 6
and 7 excepL in paragreph 6 it wiII be rewritten to read that the dock or
walkuay is 6levated to 5 inches to 8 i.nches above the ordinary high water
mark and 6 to 8 inches above the ground level when above the ordinary high
urater mar k.
Erhart: tJhen being installed in a wetlands.
Emmi ngs: That's already there.
Batzli: l.lhen being installed above the ordinary high hrater mark
be a maximum width of 5 feet. In paragraph 7, vehicular will godid you have another change Steve? That's the end of my motion.
and shaI lat4ay. And-
AII voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously-
Conrad: I really think staff can work the words out.
Olsen: Okay .
Emmings: Second .
Batzli moved, Emmings seconded that the Planning Conmission recommendapproval of Zoning Ordinance Amendment to amend Section 2O-4O9, General
Development Regulations of the lJetIaM Ordinance regulating access throughClass A and B retlands amended to d.lete ths sord 'vehicular' out ofparagraph 7 and nith paragraph 6 readins as follors:
6- The dock or walkray is elevated 6 to I inches above tho ordinary highuater mark end 6 to 8 inches above the.ground level rhen above the ordinaryhigh water mark and shall be a maximum of 6 feet in nidth.
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Conr ad :
Batzl i:
out.
Conrad:
to them.
t^lould you be flexible enough to let staff to.
I rlould certainly be flexible enough so that staff and work it
So the City Council can understand it or Don, you can explain itOkay. That's iL fol ks .
APPROVAL OF },IINUTES: EMMi N gs moved, BatzIi seconded to approve the Hi nutes
1990 as presented.of the Planning Commission meeting dated September 5AI] voted in favor and the motion carried.
Kraussr tle approved the preliminary plat, well extension of plat approvalfor Summit at Near Mountain. Lundgren had approval for that final phase
but isn't proceeding at this poinL but u,ants to in the future because of
the economy - There was a metes and bounds subdivision approved on the
south side of Lake Susan. I think ure mentioned last time that the
ordinance provides that metes and bounds go directly to Council to expeditethem. This bras a litt]e unusual because of the access- It's the property
thaL's next to AI Klinselhutz' house and there was a concern that there are
4 homes on different lots now using a common access point. We a.ranted, onthe face of it, this was a reasonable request and what Lhey're proposing to
do uas using a separate driveway except for the last few feet of it Nhere
it had a common entrance onto TH 1o1 . It was a question, was that a
variance type situation. tle believe that it uasn't and we discussed that
for a while and ultimately the Council approved that. There's not a
quesLion that the project was in doubt but how it uas approved. The
Frontier RetaiI center came up for consideration. As with the Planning
Commission meeting, parking was again a consideration. tle had tried to
follou up on some of the conditions of approval for that. tle proposed
reinstating a couple of conditions and we proposed some changes in Ianguage
because of some lhings that have happened, tle made it clear to the City
Council what was recommended by the Planning Commission and what was
recommended somewhat differently by the staff. Your recommendation came
through clear. The city Council basically, when a]l said and done, backed
up most of your, in fact virtually aII of your recommendations. one that
we tried to reinstate had to do with the rental vehicles and the city
Council did what basically you did which was say it u,as an administraEive
problem and we should take care of it independenLly of that. So theproject's been approved, [.le're not aware of the develoPer's timeframe but
he did indicate that he was under the gun to get work started on thal and
we're waiting to hear back from him.
conrad: Uhy is there a rub with clayton Johnson?
CITY COUNCIL UPDATE:
Krauss: tlhy Has there a rub?
conrad: Yeah. Why is Clayton so up in arms about this one? Is there aparticular reason? Is that his style? Is that a concern that he just had
wilh this project because he certainly was not, he was hostile. I'm
curious why that ulas. t^lithout getting real Personal or anything Iike that"
t^lhat did...I'm trying to understand. Is there more than I can see on the
surface?
Planning Commission Meeting
September 19, 1990 - Page 14
Krauss: I don't know. I really don't. l^le tried to conduct ourselves in aprofessional manner. I hope we've succeeded. In that you can'L alwaysgive people what they want and how they react to it. I really don't know
what the issue is. You know one of Ehe thinss tha! came up in a meetinglast night had to do with, there was joint meeting of the City Council and
HRA and one of the things that Has discussed was the outlook for Market
Square shopping center and that seems to be a little bit on edge ri.ght noxand I don't knor^r if that's entering into Clayton's outlook on things.
Conrad: Just to be upfront. Clayton called me and was concerned after hespent his Iife before us for a couple hours, or whatever and then uas
concerned that staff was making some contrary arguments to what, orcontrary recommendations to uhat ure had suggested. I wanted to, trhich isstaff's perogative of course. [.le can and I think in some cases, as Iong asCity Council knows what we said and what the reasons for staff
recommendations are, I think that's appropriate. I think that's a rolethat they have to play. But to Clayton Has concerned Lhat the reportdidn't reflect exactly what transpired that night and I'm probably bending
some of the words a little bit. I guess I brought in the staff report and -I just uJant to be real comfortable that when staff, and I asked Steve toreview iL. I hadn't told him whether I thought it was good or bad. I just
wanted to know if he feels it's good communication going to City Counci Iand I think anybody else, I'd sure welcome to revieu, this. I only have one-copy but I just want to make sure that r^rhen we make a recommendation, thatit's real clear to City Council what we say and then what staff is
recommending that's different than r^rhat we say. Then they can take a good -look at it and I think that's the only thing that really I want to review alittle bit as a result of that particular application.
Krauss: Your poi nt 's wel I t.aken l,,lr . Chairman . tJe attempLed to do thatthrough highlighting and striking and basically giving an analysis of why
we think something should be different from u,hat the planning Commissionrecommended. Mr. Johnson had four points of contention as I recall that bJe-tried to uork out before the City Council meeting. On two points he uascorrect and there u,as an omission in the staff report in terms ofconditions that we had aII agreed to should not apply to the Dinner Theatre-
because they exercise no control over that. That was our mistake and wereadily agreed to change that. The Leo other points had to do with ourbelief in our things sat. There was also some, you asked us to follow upt^,ith them on getling easemenLs and examining them. They were not forthcoming with those easements nor h,ere they forth coming r^rith youralternative to platting.
Emmings: I haven't real.Iy ]ooked at this yet Ladd but i.f nothing else, theverbatim Planning Commission Minutes are attached.
conrad: Yeah. l.,eII , I ..torry about that. Don really when you, how muchtime do you get uhen you review a staff r€port versus the Hinutes that areattached? Are you rea]Iy able to go through the Hinutes and see Nhat the
mumbo jumbo He sort of said for 2 hours?
Hayor chmiel's comment could not be heard on the audio tape
Conrad: Okay. I r.,orry about that because and therefore I'd like to 9e! asmuch synopsis overview up front and I think paul you do a pretty good job
Planning Commission Meet i ng
September 19, f99O - Page 15
of that but I don't .^,ant to tip my hand whether Ior bad report. I wanL Lo see Steve's opinion and
and see u:hat the others think.
thought
then we
this r.ras a good
II pass it around
US
to
Lo revise our
Conrad: I have nothing right now -
Krauss: The Iast few things that were discussed, the CUP for the Cellular
Loa,er uras approved based upon your recommendations. Mr. Wanegrin gave us a
somewhat colorful rendition of his impression of the conditions of
approval. The Mayor saveled him down a Iittle bit.
Kraussr I gather he's rather uncomfortable with them. They haven't
started any work and ue haven't heard back from them since. The last
thing I wanted to update you on is the comprehensive plan. l^,e are
continuing to r,ror k on completing the text. IL's a rather time consumingprocedure. I just, in fact yesterday, completed the revised transPortation
element which incorporates the Southwest Hetro Transit Study that you
reviewed and the Eastern carver county Transportation Study. I'm
forwarding alI that stuff to Mark and Hark is assembling lhe document for
Lls. tJe had called you a while ago uith two dates for the public hearing.
october lOth was one and September 28th or something Has the other - I did
check, weLl iL's clear that we're not going to make the SepLember one and
I'm beginning to suspect that ue might not make the lOth either. For
several reasons and I'II get into that in a second. I did contact the
school district. The cafeteria which I bblieve was where the other
meetings have been handled, is available on the loth and I checked because
I think Lhe meeting date we may try to roll ov6r to is the 24th and it is
available for that Loo. They teLL me Lhough that we have to be out of
there by 10:oo which has some appeal. But is that the uay you conducted
the meetings in the past there? That there was a time deadline because
they said the janitors have to be out of there.
Batzli: Don, when we did the Eckankar meetings, was there a time limit
over there?
Krauss: ff you have any comment for us
procedures someurhat in the future, we'd
Mayor Chmiel: Not for those
school districts, if it goes
much more.
and trish
be happy
specific ones, no. ...1o:oO. I
beyond the 10:OO timeframe, they
know i n some
charge so
Krauss: Maybe Lhat's the case.
conrad: Yeah. I uould not close the public hearing if People stilI wanted
to talk so we could continue the public hearing Iater or the best Lhing is
to pay overtime or uhatever we have to do, the janitors- I can't imagine
iL lasting Ionger than 11:oo but 1o:oo, it may. I just might.
Krauss: tJell I would propose, t,e're looking for off nights. off regular
meeting nights so ue could start a meeting Possibly at 7:OO. In terms of a
format, I anticipated getting the word out through the newsPaPer or mailing
Iist that Mark and I and possibly the City Engineer would be available at
Conrad: That's good.
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September 79, L99O - Page 16
possibly 5:3O or 6:00 and He'd have the board set up so people couldin and ask queslions and get an understanding for u,hat's happening.
r.rould work with the neurspapers so the nehJspapers understood. Againreiterated the process and told people what's changed since the last
so they can see if their question's been resolved or not.
comeI
Conrad: So when you worked with the
could carry a map shouring the final .
time
neHspapers, you 're going to show, they
They show a map?
to transcribe that to athat. In fact I've got
Krauss: I'm hoping they can. It's tough for themscale that they can print. I'LI work Hith them on
one of the reporters coming in here tomorrow.
UeII thaL's r{hat it trould take.
So in black and h,hite you'd be able to teII the different zones.
Krauss:
Batz i i :
Conrad:
Krauss:
Conr ad :
Nour that's MEA
Is that one of
]^leI I I 'm goi ng
Krauss: They probably would ask us to pay for that. t^,e could do that,I'Il try to f ind out what that trill cost. ]^le'll do that. Now, one of thereasons for the delay, last time we met I gave you a copy of the memo that
was our resporse to the Metro Council. tle've been doing fo]Ior^r up workwith that. I'm not sure if we had met. Yeah, we did trith Rich Thompsonprior to the ]ast meeting. I've been in contact with Rich and he has setup a meeting here urith about 5 or 6 l'|etro Council staff people next Mondayafternoon. Hhat ue hope comes out of that is a better understanding of
uhere everybody's coming from. tlha! the issues are. Uhat ule've done and
how t^.re've arrived at everything and then we're going to give them a tour ofthe community because it's a safe bet that most of them haven't seen it.
The meeling with Mr. Thompson last week or 2 weeks ago h,ent verysatisfacLory in terms of his open mindedness in how this could proceed. It.hink that if we shoot for that October 24th date, we will at least have acomfort of knowi.ng that this meeting is behind us and that hopefully we'vegotten some, if not agreement, understanding from the Metro Council on
where we're coming from on this thing. Now I know we discussed that Iasttime and we're not waiting for them to say yeah or nay on our plan and Idon't Lhink we have any intention of asking you to chanse that but I'd liketo get this meeting out of the way. Steve Keefe is also having a breakfastmeeting out here. The Chair of the tletro Council is coming out here nextt^leek. The Hayor's involved uith both of these meetings. l.larcy tJaritz, ourCouncil representatj.ve wiII be probably aL both of these meetings as uleIL
Conrad: That sounds real good PauI . I'm impressed r^rith all that activity.
Krauss; If t,e went to October 24th, does that meet your needs as well?It's an al.ternate tlednesday night. l.lould you prefer, I can have Vicky givea call around
weekend. But HEA doesn't start unti.L Thursday.
the conditions. . .
to take some time off.
Batz]i: Full page.
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September 19, 1990 - Page 77
Batzli: LJhat better way to spend your time off. Relax.
Emmings: Or what's Lhe regular meeting date preceeding Lhat October24lh? October 17th. Haybe that regular meetinb could be the.
Conrad: Let me check on my schedule.
Kraussr I'LI have Vicky contact everybody on the Planning Commission
tomorrow so we can check that out. And I think that does it for me. one
last thj.ng. t^Ie had an item here from Mcclynn's and I toLd you I'd try to
tell you in advance if we had any administrative site plan approval Lhat
may be coming down the pipe. Hcclynn's is adding employees at a rapid clip
and has run out of parking spaces and needs to expand their parking lot.
Olsen: They have room to do it.
Krauss: Except they have room to do it, yeah. I've worked with them and
ue've sort- of clapped out a plan for how Lhey could get sufficient stalls
to set them through the winter simply by, it doesn't take a lot of grading
but it's an add on to some parking lot that they have nott. I would be
requiring a landscaping plan for buffering from Timberwood and al] that. I
think the parking lot expansion iLself is fairly innocuous and falIs within
the pervieu of administrative approval. You should be aware though however
Lhat McGIynn is doing a box office business there and is going to be
advancing their construction schedule and expansions. They wiIl also be
coming in probably in a meeting later in November for a site Plan approval
for a fairly significant building expansion.
Krauss; tlell apparently what this is for, as I understand it, and I don't
know if this ulas trade secret or not I'm giving away but Ehey got a Iarge
contract to supply breakfast pastries to 60Z of the Burger Kings in the
r.rorld and it's a neu product and they need Lo expand to accommodate that.
Nou the parking problem that they have is a problem they're exPeriencing
nou, with their staff without the expansion which is why I feel I can do
that under administrative approval . They uill need a ]arger parking lot
for this building and that r.rill aII come down to your approval of the siteplan.
Emmings: Do you think we need to sca.le up our parking requirements for
these growing busi nesses?
Krauss: That's like so many things b,e do Steve. It
catesory of they're each so different that you can'L
tough.
falls into
guess. It
the
reaIIy is
Krauss: If that doesn't work let me know and, our agendaes are obviouslygetting somewhat lisht. Nor^, we've got some items in the pipeline but maybe
we can jungle a meeting or possibly even a cancel a regular meeting and
shift some stuff to a Iater one and just hold it because clearly ue have to
have a dedicated meeting for the comprehensive plan.
Emmi ngs: Another one?
Emmings: Is this on their frozen stuff Iike this?
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September 19, 7990. - Page 18
Emm i ngs : tJho knor.,s
Ki ngs or somethi ng?probably.
they'ref mean
Erhart: Yeah, and
found something outthis 2 1/? acye IoL
here and accordi ng
change.
going tono, it's
get a contract
something Iike
for 602 of thethat that does
Burger
iL
Krauss: Even from business to business you know. trhen we uorked with PMT,AI fverson was in here Iast week talking about parking on the property next-door. t^,elI, A1 's had a very signif icant parking problem on his site r^rhichue're trying to take care of with his new addition and that's because his
employment grew by leaps and bounds and he's got a medical products
assembly function where you tend to pack more people in a buildins.
Emmings: Maybe what we have to do is say our parking requirements aregoing Lo remain the same but hre also r,.Jant to be sure thaL you've got someIand you can expand parking into should you need it. I mean maybe we haveto have some kind of a set, be able to show something to set aside to get
some more parking on there because, now it's come up 3 ca6es that I know of-so it must mean something's not working right.
Krauss: t^,elI I don't know. I think by and .large the parking standards
have worked fairly urelI. IL's the exceptional ones that throw you and urhera business is growing as fast, I mean Tim can explain this phenomenum morelhan I but when you're grolJing that fast, you don,t have the capital to
expand facilities and you tend to get the people on and the product out anc-you're cramming more and more inLo Ehe site. It gets ahead of theconstruction aspect of it.
conrad: Okay. Anything else on that subject? PauIMetro Council rural development standards. Tim, didreview tha!?
has
you
a note to us,get a chance to
I was rea.L excited about it. I think we've finallyof Met Council that they're seeing what's happened with
and I think they've got a move in the right directionto PauI , f guess this is already an adapted policy
conrad: So if we like the concept of this, urhat do we need to do?
Krauss: I think you need to put it on a work program and tell us to brin€,back something to you that would bring that about. I mean it's clearlygoing to require a change in the ordinance and may require a change to som€of our policies. I r^rou]d want to speak to, this came from Carl Loren whoI've never been quite clear as to his title but he,s fairly high up in the -heirarchy at the Metro Council. I'd Iike to confirm some things with himbecause this is, they are talking about rural development issues. Ruralarea development issues and this poLicy is probably going to be refined in -that case but you may have read in the paper that Anoka County is basicallythumbing their nose at the Hetro Council. They're also telLing the MetroCouncil that their policies are t{rong because their policies, for them,because the policies were designed in the interest of protecting farmlandand Anoka county was never knoun for it's farmland. But Anoka County,you've got some of the communities up there bJho never anticipate developingat suburban densities. They're perfectly content to continue developingwith hobby farms and that kind of thing and since they don't want any seh,erand theoretically don't want any roads, they can pretLy much lell Metro
Planni ng Commission Meeting
September 19, 7990 - Pase 19
Council they're going to do whatever they're going to do because they'renot asking the Hetro Council for anything. So that's kind of thrown Lhisuhole issue into the spotlight. Rural issues are aLso important to us here
because some of the grays they enforce these rural issues, or rural policies
frankly border on the absurd. t^le have a donut hole in the MUSA Iine insouthern Chanhassen surrounded on 4 sides by MUSA acreage yet u,hen they'reIooking aL IH 2!2, there is a movement afoot by some of their staff people,
I think I might have related this to you, to have TH 212 be 4 lanes tofH 47, throttle to 2 and then open up again when it gets to Chaska. Now
anything more absurb than that I guess I couldn't conceive of. They'vesince refented on that position and now their new position is, okay we'11
buv thaL but you're going to stop 212 aL TH 41 which r.rill run all thelraffic through downtown Chaska. Nor.r Chaska is basically saying over their
dead body. The alt.ernative which is being proposed blith Lhe EIS for 212 ist-hat 212 run outside of Chaska west of the community where it can touch
down on the old highway and kind of get traffic and then run around the
comrnunity. I guess, and by the way, this has also been the bugaboo on
expandi nS TH 5.
Krauss:
Batz I i:
Krauss:
No, it r.,rould run
Between Lhe H igh
Yes ,
north.
School and downtown?
Boy that r.:ould be wild. There's a lot of steep sLopes risht in
Krauss: tJeII, it's already programmed to 9o through. I mean it's designedto go through there. There's a way to do iL. I'm no! familiar withexactly where it's route but there's been a similar hang-up on TH 5. The
reason why the construction program for TH 5 ends at CR 17 is because the
Metro council said you're not going to build 4 lanes outside the MUSA line,
Now that is completely avoiding Lhe fact that traffic from Victoria and
west and from Chaska is feeding onto TH 5 and there's plenty of cars onthat stretch of road. They put their blinders on and when they don't comeout to the community to see for themselves, they can kind of convince
themselves that that's the reaIiLy.
Emmings: So 4 ]anes out to CR 17 and then become a graveJ. road.
Baizl i : Stage coach only .
Krauss: To get back to Tim's issue. I guess I ulas real surprised to hear
carl say that we were not bound to have 2 L/2 acye Iots in the rural area.
tJhen I querried him on it, I said h,ell when did you guys change your mind
because in 19a7, as I understood it. I wasn't here at Lhe time but with
the Lake Ann Agreement, that you r4ere adamant that that's Nhat we have to
do,
Batzll: South of Chaska? Between the river and Chaska? t^lhere would it
ru n?
Batz I i:
therr.,
Emmings: But don't we have to under that agreement, whether or not.."
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September 79, 7990 - Page 20
Krauss: t^lell, I'm sure we would have to. The 1 in 10 is urhat they'reenforcing but if it's in vioLation of our contract, because there isactually a contractual agreement, I'm sure we h,ould have to have ourattorney contact their attorney and do aLl the usual attorney stuff andfigure out a way around it.
Emmi ngs: That's called billing
Er har t :
Krauss:
Conrad:
Emmi ngs;
Conrad:
Emnri ngs i
Krauss:
Erhart:
Conrad:
Enrm i ng5 :
Conrad:
Emm i ngs :
You can get a
t^lel l we 'd want
Are you done?
Yeah.
release
hour s .
for that.
some J.egitimate documentation.to get
tle've been dragging Lhis out
Ue can adjourn.
So should He add that to Lhe urork schedule?
UeIl I sureJ.y r.:ouId-
Steve, do you think we should add it to the work program?
Nhat 's that?
Do you .think we should look at this issue further?
Oh yeah. AbsoIuteIy.
Batzli: Yes .
Emmings: Nothing should get between, however. Thj.s isn't somethins wehave to do before the comprehensive plan and the comprehensive plan oughLto get first priority in my opinion. I want that out of my life.
Conrad: Yeah. There is a sch€dule or outstanding activities staff hasdistr j.buled to us. An updated project Iist. Any comments?
Batzli: Mine was rezoning the BF to A-2. Just as iL pertains to thecomprehensive plan, I still keep on f guess harpping on the fact that IreaIIy don't wanL us to include in the comprehensive plan Lhat that areadown there is going to be something thaL we're going to change in a matterof a month after ule adopt it. Or thinking of changing it.
Kraussr I'II have to get you the exact language Brian because Iabout a month or two ago but f wrote it in the context of...itemdiscussion at the Planning Commission. They're concerned aboutenvironmenLal sensitivity of the area and they'd Iike to Iook atfor saving those features.
wrote it
of
approaches
Erhart: That's what I remember too. Our discussions as noted in the text,
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Seplember 19, 1990 - Page 21
Conrad: I Iike that item to be acted upon. The BF to A-2 or to just
discuss that area. I think that's, of the things that are down there,real hard for me to prioritize. Some things take longer than others i
terrns of staff time but that particular subject is a good one. And wegot it scheduled late faII.
it's
n
've
Krauss: Getting Iater aIl the time.
Conrad: Anythins e lse?
Emmings: Did they say what year?
Conrad: It does say 1990.
Batzli: I would like, and this is something I just noticed the other day
and it kind of irritated me was at Suings. Under their condiEional usepermit, ureren't they supposed to erect some fences and do some things forsafety of the kids using the miniature putt-putt and all Lhat other good
C)lsen: I don't recaII that.
Batz]i: uell I would like us to review that because I figure after 2 years
iL's time they put up their fence if they're supposed to put one up.
conradr Yeah, speaking on those
addinE to their rental equipment
same terms, the r enta I
in their fron! yard.
group is certainly
Krauss: On Tath Street?
conrad: Yeah. You know I really didn't mind when there bJas 1or
was okay but now, they've just got a whole assortment there and I
know. Are h,e getting any complaints from anybody?
2 - rrdon't
Krauss:
o ne?
No, and I guess it's a little surprising. Do you want to give me
conrad; I guess I'd prefer to hear a complaint from the business
community.
Krauss: I think it's encumbent upon us to react and because of our
conversation about that, we'll held off but there has been an increase in
equipment here. I forget the gentleman's name...8t the store. I tal ked to
him the olher day and he said that more equipm€n! was out there because of
the construction going on which used to be under the portico there but thev
had to move it out because of construction. Houlever, I've seen 2 trucks
offered for sale parked out there and there is a panel truck t,ith a sign on
it sitting on Lhe boulevard and that's dangerous for us to leave thaL there
because !ha! leads to al] sorts of other abuses on other sites as weII.
conrad: Do they know thaL thaL's not legal?
Krauss: r discussed it with them on the phone and he said he wasn't aware
of it up until now and he had been doing it for 4 years.
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September 19, 7990 - Page 22
Conrad: ft's one of these cases blhere I just wish t.,e could say, hey. Itis illegal and ue're not making a big deal out of it now but you're reallystretching your luck. It's getting close to tacky but I really wish
somebody in the business community would issue the complainl or call CityHall. Not me and it's not reall)z affecting me but boy, if I brere somebodyin downtown, in the Chamber of Commerce.
Erhart: t^lell I think if it was a next door business guy r.lho felt his
business r.ras being adversely affected because they ulere using up theparking ]ot. So far I've never gone in there when the parking lot's beer,fuII. although it's slowly getting more and more. I lhink Hha! you did atthe restaurant, that may come to a head.
Krauss :
Planning
couldn't
There was an interesting situation (here the week after the
Commission item or on Tuesday, which I've never seen before, Iget into the parking Iot.
moved, Baztli seconded to adjourn the meeting- All voted in favor
motion carried. The meeting uas adjourned at 8:45 p.m..
Emmi ngs
and the
Submitted by Paul Kraussolanning D i r ector
Preoared by Nann Ophe i m
2
3
REVISED SEPTEI,IBER 14,
STATUS
l-990
ONGOING ISSUES
Cornprehensive Plan Issues
1. Cornprehensive Plan Update Adoption l-2/90
Amendments to MUSA Boundary Adoption 12190
Future Use for Areas
outside the MUSA Boundary
1995 Study Areas - Work effortto begin after adoption of new
comp Plan
Staff directed to develop
scenarios - 1ow priority
fnactive
Schedule future
fall , 1990
agenda late
ongoing - guPrs completed
staff processing a positionpaper to review rretlandordinance and enforceuent
Budgeted money for update 2year timeframe or storn waterutility fund
November 1, 1990
January, 1,991
2. Rezoning BF Dist. to A2
Sign ordinance
( 1or.r priority)
4
5
Tree ordinance - l,[apping ofsignif icant vegetative
areas
Rezoning 2r, Acre Lots to RR
District
conputerize Land use fi1es,perrnits, conditions andexpiration dates on aparcel by parcel basis
Reappraisal on rretland
issues, ordinance and
rnapping in conjunction
with storn water management
and water quality plan
Definition of structures
shoreland ordinance
FLood zone ordinance
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5 Novenber, 1990
Zoning code Amendments
1. Blending ordinance
Scheduled Di scuss ionlsta f fdirected to draft a potential
new zoning district ordinance -Iate faII, 1990
Inactive3
other Items
6.Review legislation and
ordinance pertaining togroup hones
7. Ordinance revision dealingwith requirement to post
signs of notice for
development
8. zoning ordinance Amendmentfor satellites on
Recreational Beachlots
9. Structures bel"o!, Olfifl,! nust
have a pernit.
10. Revision of ordinancespertainJ,ng to antenna torrrers
11. Revise ordinances to considera reduction of rural area
ninimum lot sizes below 2.5acres while naintaining the
1 per 10 acre density.
12. Cluster housing
winter, 1991
Adopted - signs to be acquired
CITY OF
CH[NH[SSEN
690 COULTEB DRIVE . PO. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
IrlEl,toRANDt,I,l
To: Planning Conmission
FROU:
DATE:
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PauI Krauss,Planning Direct-orOL
September 28, L99O
Report fron the Planning Director
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At the City Council ueeting of Septenber 24, t99O, the follor.ringiterns were considered:
Final plat was given to Lake Susan Hilts West 5th Addition.
The 5th Additi.on constituted a ninor deviation and replat ofthe 4th Addition which was revier.red by the Planning Conmissionseveral. nonths ago.
The city council again considered the adoption of a surfacewater nanagement district. Action on this iten rras continuedfrom a meeting approxiDately one nonth ago with staff givendirection to research issues pertaining to the assessment offees against agricultural property, prograD goals andobjectives, accusations fron developers that this constitutedrrdouble-dippingl and related natters. The City Council spokefavorably of the district and of the changes in the staffreconrmendation. One of the nost noteworthy changes uas thatthe fornula for establ-ishing utility fees for agricultural
land had been revj.sed fron an acreagte fee with adjustnents forappropriate soil and water conservation nanagenent technigues,to a flat fee identical to the charge that nill be utilizedfor single fanily residences. Staff had presented infornationthat agricultural land uas in fact a significant contributorto rrater quality problens, houever, this is generallyrestricted to highly cultivated crops and not for other cropsor land and open space purposes. ULtiDately the Council
approved the surface vater Danagenent district. The ordinanceadopting the district uas approved on a 4-o vote. Horever,the fees for the district have not yet been established. Itis expected that these uiII be estabLished by resolution at anupconing neeting. Staff believes that with the adoption ofthis program the Planning Comnission will be involved in sonevery exciting and innovative new prograns designed to protect
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SepteDber 28, 1990
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Interin Use PerEit to Excavate 60,000 cubic yards of ClayUaterial for Construction of Highway 5 froD the ilcGlynnProperty: This request was approved by the City Council lJithlittle or no conment.
Potential Altered Survey/Variances, 6285 Audubon Circle,cordon Koehnen: Staff presented the City council uith areport on a holre being built at 5285 Audubon Circle. The honehas substantial variances from a cul-de-aac bubble whichappear to sten fron a survey that had been altered by thebuiLder and subnitted to the city for the building peaitapplication. In working with the City Attorney, staff
concluded that the cityrs potential of successfutly litigatingthis natter are soneuhat linited, thus we do not recornnendpursuing this course of action. A copy of the report to theCity Council is appended to this neuo for your revierr.
6 comprehensive PIan: The public hearing on the ConprehensivePlan is being set for 7:00 p.n. on wednesday, October 24th.A11 Planning Conmissioners indicated that they uould be ableto attend although conmissioner Ellson indicated that this isher due date and she is likeIy to be otheruise occupied.Staff has received a number of letters fron area property
ouners concerning the Conprehensive PIan which are attached tothis meruo. llost of them concern the TiDberoood area and areencouraging the Planning Conrnission to reconsider the draftplan and convert this area back to proposed industrial officeuse. Staff is not recoDmending that any changes to the planbe considered at this tine and yill be presenting all thepublic infornation subnitted on the pfan to the planning
Conmission for public hearing review. Staff aLso Det withUetro council staff on l{onday, Septenber 22nd to discuss theConprehensive Plan and also managed to give then a tour of theCity. I will discuss the nature of this Deeting uith thePlanning Conmission at the Planning Conmission Deeting.
Planning Conmission
Septenber 28, 199 0
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our rrater guality, natural environment and wetlands. We vi1I
keep you posted as to progress in these matters, but expectthe vork program to be developed starting for the year 1991.
3. The city Council revieved Redmondrs request to expand theirparking that had been presented to the Planning Conmission ontwo previous occasions. As you may recall, the proposalca1led for on-site and off-site parking inprovenents to
acconmodate enploynent growlh at the facility. The sitechanges rrould have required up to four variances fromordinance standards if adopted. Staff and the planning
Conmission have reconmended denial for these reasons. TheCity Council discussed this natter at Length and there were a
number of presentations by Redmond enployees and executives.Staff cautioned the City Council as to the precedent settingnature of the variance requests. Tin Erhart, representinghinself and the Pl.anning Conmission, spoke of hj.s concernsregarding this request. Ultinate1y. the City Council approvedthe off-site inprovements on the Iotus carden Center site as
recommended by staff and the Planning Cornrnission, which willallow the off-site parking to be built without any variances.
The question of on-site parking iroprovenents which resulted inhard surface coverage and parking setback variances was Leftopen with direction being given to staff and to Rednondpersonnel to attenpt to work out solutions.
Based upon the City Councilrs direction, staff net with
Rednond personnel on Wednesday, Septenber 26th to discuss thesituation. At this point in tine, two opportunities are beingexplored for resolving the natter. Rednond has stated thatthey vould be villi.ng to purchase an adjacent uetland ouned bythe City so that they vould neet the hard surface coveragestandard. This nethod of resolving the problen iE by no Deans
assured and staff is someshat unconfortable in that we believeit rneets the letter if not the intent of the ordinance.However, to the extent that funds can be obtained for theacquisition of open space eLsewhere in the conmunity, andsince for all intents and purposes it will have no affect onthe adjacent rretland since this is preserved by City.ordinances and easements, t,e beLieve pursuing this Btrategy
may be of some benefit.
with regards to the parking setback variance, the City Councilindicated Eome desire to consider replacing the Etrict 30 ft.setback uith a perf ornance-ori.ented standard. Theperfornance-oriented standard would change the ordinance sothat the goal of concealing the parking lot is established andreplaces the 30 ft. setback standard. Staff believes thatthis approach may have sone benefit in other areas of theconmunity as ueII and is generaLly supportive of perfornance-oriented ordinances believing that they give the coronunitygreater fJ.exibility to york rith developers uhile ensuring ahigher standard of developnent. Staff uiII keep the planning
Cornlnission posted on progress on this matter.
DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
September 19, f990
RECEIVEII
sEP 2 41990
CITY OF CHANHASSEN
I,ir. Paul Krause
Director of Plannlng
City of Chanhassen
950 Cc:r1ter Drive
Cha*rassen, MN 55317
Dear Paul-:
I want to ccmend you for your ongoint efforts ln providing a very pos:tiye
direction on hehalf of the City cI Chanhassen in ltrs efforts tc expand the
I1USA boundary. This requesE for additioDal severed land ls vital to the
continued growth of our co@uaity. Thts ls especlally true rrhen we note that
there is almost no iDdustrial /office land available to support any new lndustry
rrantirlg to l-ocate Ln Chatrhassen.
I have r:eviered the proposed Iand use plan of !{ay 9, 1990 and would lj.ke to
Bake th-ese coDments rrith the hope that you wt1l give redirectlon to the land
South of ltighway 5 and lJest of the curreDt industrial park.
This area is the Datural exteasLon of the Chanhassen Lakes Business
Park \rith the boundaries of Eighway 5 ou the North, the ralhray on the
South and County 117 on the l{est.
fhis area is abouL 325 acres less Tfurberwood I s 160 acres, cmabiaed
rrith the approxlEate 300 acres west of Coutrty Poad 117 to Ei.ghway 41
aod provj.des a good future for ghanhasselr s laduatrlal developnent.
This conbj-reri area ties naturally lato Chaskats Arbor Park.
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1'150 PARK COURT . CHAI{HASSEN, tlN SS:]17. PHONE (812) 47+2125, E67.1886
BJ: Zoning and MUSA line
Tinberwood is buffered qulte well wlth the extstlng topography on the
llorth and East aod County II7 oo the l{eet. I believe the placeEeot of
this develcpment sa8 rf,rong, but I thlnk rrlth proper constraiats, tbis
pock-et of resldential developoent can be buffered to thelr
satisfactlon. Indugtrial use of the laod North end Eaat of it trill
provide less inteos 1f j.catloo thaE a Eajor resldeatlal developDent. It
woulC be a second BJ.stake to guide addltlonal Eesldentlal land around
Tioberr-ood.
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I believe that there wlll be no residentlal deveJ-oper that tJ'111 Pursue
creating resiilential lots alonB Elghway 5, a aoon to be four lane
corrldor .
I belLeve the City of Chaahassen Eust caPitallze on the existing
progressive scene of lndustrial and hi-tech glowth along Elghvay 5'.
itl" ," true conlng lnto aad leaviag Chanhassen' This aslleli, iiiil
promote nore lndusiry for Chanhassen rrith all resideats beoefitlng
iron the lncreased tax base and iudustry I s Job Produclng ability'
IbellevethatthelandSouthoftherallroadandwestofAudubonRoad
shoulil be guirietl resldential using the rallroad as a natural buffer'
The lntersectlons of County Roaal s 41 and 117 rrlth Eighway 5 should
ploviale for posslble comercial zonitrg to sooe degree' This should be
addressed now slnce highway frontage norually demands so[e co@ercial
usage .
Paul, I am certein the recomendations that you dlrect froo Staff rrl'11 be
difficult, but I see theB as beiag good for the rhole of Chanhassen'
Ttre P.Ianning Comlssioa aail Couacil 1111 need e very Po6ltlve dlrectloo froE'
you in their declsion uaklag process.
Thank you for your tLloe.
Slncerely '
RoBan R.
?resident
Rome Corporation
Septenber 25, 1990
Mayor DoD CbtrielCity Hal1
59C Coulter Drive
Chanhaseea, llN. 55117
Dear llayor Chmiel;
This brlef letter ie to iDforu you, that as a property
ovner in the city of Chanhaae en, I auppolt the cltyra plansto erpand the MUSA boundrlea that rould lnclude ny property
located eouth of HwX.-5, along the yeat aide of Audubon Road.I feel ChanhaaaeD, needs to include the additional acreageinto the MUSA boundriee to lnprove and strengthen the cityrstax base, by providlng the buildiag sites needed to attlact
new businegs investnents. As re11 , as providing resideatlalopportuaities for the jobe that will follot.- I understand the clty plarniDg conmlaslon hag proppeed
using my north property line as a boundry, dividing
Indu strial/offi ce Park zonlng to the north aDd Resldentj,al
zoning to tbe south. I vould ask t[tg planaing conriaaion to
consider a Willians Pipeline eaea,fEbprorioatellr 500-feet to
the south of oy northern property liae, (see encloaed Eap) astbis dividing line. It vould a1Iov the existing ?5-toot
easement fo! the pipeline, as apace to be ueed for aD srea-yayof beros aad trees betveea the zonea, ratber than to be left as
a major obstacle in the planalag for eitber IOP or ResideDtial
uses.f aleo applaud the cityre current efforte and carefullplanning for an orderly grouth pattern, that vilI 1nrt the city
on a atrong finaacial footirg, lnto the l990rs.
Agal.n, I strongly urge the city to approve the proposed
expaDaioa of the ItIUSA boundriea, that 1111 add to th firturegrowtb and prospelity of Charhassen.
Sinc erely Yours ;
Rodney D. GraEg
8540 Auduboa Road
Chanhasaen, HX. 55117
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Chaska, MN 553i8 RECE'VED
SEp z Z i990
CIIY OF CHANHASSEN
Septenber 25, I990
Chanhassen Planning ComlssLon
c/o Paul Krause, Director of PIaDniDg
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drlve
P.0. Box 147
Chanhassen, YN 55317
Dear Mr. Krause, Chairmao Conrad, and Cormisslon Henbers:
I am a property o$rer of land located oD the South slde of Elghnay 5
and l,Iest of Highway ll7. The gulde plan currently recouaends that thls
land be used for residentlal developuent. Why uould anyone sant to bulld
a home next to a busy 4-lane hlghway? Wouldnrt such land be better suitedfor industrlal developnent? You have rlsely deslgaated land further Eastof mine as I0P; the developEeDt of the McGlynn property ls an excellent
exatrple augEenting the tax base of the clty uith a well axecuted, aesthetlcally
pleaslng Corporate developEent.
Please reconslder the suggested zoniog for the Daster gulde plan as lt relatesto the corridor on the South side of Bighvay 5.
The growth occuring in our clty Ls causlng a oeed for additlonal schools,roads, parks, etc. our Lncreased tax base would provlde the dollars Decessaryto fund such projects. Our Clty w1lI have a better chance of coEpetlag I,lthother comunitles for the best of the corporate developDeDts, Lf ve expand the
area covered by the IIUSA llne. Please conslder 1Dc1ud1Dg ny property lD the
MUSA llne.
Thank you for your ttEe.
Sincer
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B0/ak
cc:Chanhassen Clty Couacll
Planning Comisslon
City of Chanhassen
RE: Comprehensive Plan public Hearing
l'm unable to be with you tonight; however, Al Klingelhutz is representing me.
My wife and I own 75 acres of the Highway 212-Highway 1or intersection. paur
Krause was given surveys of this land during the informal hearings held last
summer. The land measures out to 4s acres of condemnation tand and 30 other
acres.
chanhassen city staff and consultants are recommending that the land be shown
as mixed use for the comprehensive plan. This would include high-density,
commercial, and freeway commercial.
we believe this zoning for the intersection land is very wise. Above all. the citykeeps its options open as to the ultimate use of the land.
During the 1990's, the city of chanhassen will probably request a master plan for
all the non-highway acres when a request comes in for a use for any of the land.This will involve pubric hearings and give everyone a chance to be heard.
ln addition, each rand use that comes up will go through the planning-pubric
hearing process. Once again, everyone will get a chance to be hearJ.'
ln this way, chanhassen keeps all their options open and will ultimately have agateway spot into the city that will be a real asset to the community.
Yes, mixed use is a wise comprehensive plan designation for this area.
Al Klingelhutz will be pleased to expand on this statement or answer questions ifthere are any.
Please make this statement a part of the public record.
Thank you!
Sincerely,
October 1990
Jim Curry
Slephan D, and Ronnn. M, Longman 13539 Osk Hltt Ct. Edcn Pralrlc MN 55346
September 17, 1 990
Dear Council Member,
I am writing with regard lo the Commission's consideration of an extension of the MUSA
Line. As a property owner in Chanhassen, I strongly support and en@urage designalion ot as
much prop€rty for lndustrial Otfice Parft as possible, and partbularly thoss properties adjacent
to Highway 5.
The Highway 5 Corridor is the most obvious and desired industrial property, and I am
sure thal the highesl and best use of all lands in the City is s,hat the Planning Commission is
striving for.
We are all aware lhat lhere is a continued need for improved tax base in all communities,
and this results in severe compelilion amono @mmunities for the best of lhe industrial
businesses.
Chanhassen has much to otfer these growing businesses, and they have much lo offer
Chanhassen. Chanhassen however, at the very least, musl otter them a localion on which they
desire to locate their facility. This location is on Trunk Highway 5.
ngman
c.c. Paul Krause
Planning
Rtct,yto
sEP 2 4 is90
Clry 0F CHANnaSSEN
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SepteDber 19, 1990 t(EcEtt,E0
sEP 2 4 1990
at,l y ur CFTANHASSEN
I atn the fee owner of a 137 acro parcel located i.-r
Chanhasaen adJacent to llighHay 5 on the 6outh 6Lde and eaat of
County Road 17. Because of the c.Iose proxi-Eity of llighway 5, Ihad every anticipation that ny property would be zoned for
commercial or indu8trial /office park ao its higheat and be6t
u6e.
When the Tiurberwood Addition wa8 platt€d for two andone-ha1f acre r€aidentlal lot6, I did not oblect ovon though theproperty waa adJacent to my aoutherly proporty llne, partl),
because of the natural ocreening which wao already apparent andalso bocause my proporty bordors a Etots hlghway. prolLn1nary
uso plano afoo ehowed 1t8 best use aa industrlal /offJ.ce park.
I have noir aold by farn. Thcrefore, I .have a very olzablcvested intorest in tho uftfumte uge of the property. It is eyfeeling that the bo6t use and also the DoEt practical uay ofse:ving tho interest of both properties is a well developod planof high tech indu8trial/office park type developmenta. This
would aleo give tho clty the obvioua tax advantages the reBt ofthe citlzens have a right to expect.
ltary Wefter
City of ChanhassenPlannlng Commlaslon
690 Coulter Street
Chanhoaoen, HN 55 317
P.uY/kbcc: City llanager
Planning ComnleglonCity Councllllayor of Chanhassen
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Dear Sl.r/lladam r
Youra very tru1y,
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CITY OF
CH[NH[ESEN
690 COULTER DRIVE ' P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
PLanning oirector €t-
1990
SUB]:
FROI,!: Paul Krauss ,
DATE: September 20,
Variance and potential Fa_I.sified Survey for the propertyLocated at 6285 Audubon Circle
staff has 1e9ent1y becorne aware of a disturbing event that isoccurring with the construction of a hone at 6285 Audubon Circre.ft appears as though . a . registered survey subnitted i; theapplication for the buirding pennit last y6ar was ta:.siriea toel'ininate an irrustration of t-he streetrs 6ur-ae-ii.- l"iui. trr"tintrudes onto this property. As a result of the altereddocunentati.on, there is i vaiiance that exists retween trre hone,tl:t l: nearty cornpleted, and the street. rnis natlei..r"-to or.attention because of the arertness of steve Nelson, orra- or tna
:ity-::-l--1^1ldins. inspecrors, uho uerievtd that the horl applarea toDe unusuarJ.y close to the street. The builder of th-d hone iscordon Koehnen. The survey that was subnitted io-"= ?or- i' u"liai.ngp:trlt appears upon croser inspection to have had the ilrusiiationof the cuI-de-sac bubble eraseid. we contactea oer.rars-ciuii.r
"rro::I:.!!: land sunreyors on this project and they inaicitlJltit tr,"orlglnaJ' survey crearry has the cul-de-sac illustrated and furtherindicated recollection that the deveropei asked then to re,ove thecul-de-sac bubbre. we have included'.opiE=-Jr u"tri-""-i.1. to.your review
staff is disturbed rith the. inrplications of this natter. ALteringa survey to avoid a variance strikes at severar. - -iurra-ii.nt":.concepts. The first is _that a registerea su--y -"".ii"t"fy
reflects the situation and can be r6riea "ng"-uy 'gt !--"liiy toconduct.zoning Datters. The second is that. rar'siiyiig i--i"g-i=t"r.a?IneV is.illegal . we have discussed this nattLr iitt -in. cityAttorney at Length and r an unfortunateLy frustratea to ilplri trrataspects of the situation wirl nake it airri.,r-rt-ior-t-ti'-Jiiy t"take act ion to resolve
. the probre' . rhe f irsi lr"-uL, 'i-".i-s rriththe lack of an identifiable right-of_way for -", ."."r.rri or",
UEI,IORANDUI,I
TO: I{ayor and City Council
TmOUGE: Don Ashworth, City Irtanager
Uayor and City Council
September 20, l99O
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Audubon Circle. The straight street section has a recordedeasenent document at the courthouse, but the cuL-de-sac bubblewhich intrudes onto the 1ot is not backed up by any easeDent
docurnent or right-of-way dedication that can be found by the cityor the county Surveyor. ft is highly unusual in that the cuI-de-sac bubble does show on the county half-section Dap, but the countyis unable to fi.nd any documentation to back this up. The CountySurveyor indicated that his predecessor nay have taken soneliberties in this natter or naterials have been nisplaced, but hecannot verify this or provide any additional infornation on thebackground of this situation. This in itself alone rrould notnormally be critical since the city has the right, through adversepossession, to take control over property used for public right-of-uay if it has been used for public right-of-way and naintained bythe city for a period of at least six years. fn this case, AudubonCircle is guite o1d and as near as we can recollect, the cul-de-sacbubble was put in at least twelve years ago. Horrrever, state law iscontradictory on this point since the 1ot in question is torrensproperty and another sectj.on of state Lae, appears to indicate thatadverse possession does not appLy over torrens parcels. The CityAttorney has indicated that the city would have to first obtain aruling that the land in question underneath the cu1-de-sac bubbteis actually city property by adverse possession before this casecan be prosecuted. The second aspect of this case is that it wouldthen become incumbent upon the city to prove beyond a reasonabledoubt that the survey that was subrnitted to us for a buildingpermit had been falsified. It certainly appears that this is thecase although the documentation is by no neans absolutely cl.ear,and even if this tas denonstrated it is not clear rrho -in factfalsified the data.
As a result of the above infornation, staff is in the frustratingposition of not being able to advise the city to take direct actionin this matter. we are convinced thai a uisrepresentationoccurred, but in conjunction uith the City nttorney, are notcertain as to rrhether or not the city could prLvail in this Datter.As a consequence, rre will probably have to Live with a hone that islocated only 19 ft. fron the edge of the pavenent as opposed to the30 ft. setback fron the easeDent that is required. Efiectively, ifa dedicated right-of-way had existed on this property, the -hone
lrou1d be set back approxinately 20 ft. to the east of where it iscurrently located. Staff contacted Ur. Koehnen to get anexplanation of this matter. He indicated that he betieved thesurveyor was at fauIt, but lras unwilling or unable to ahed Dorelight on the natter. He also indicated that he was arrare thatthere rras no recorded easenent over the cul-de-sac bubble. Staffalso has tried to ascertain uhy roneone would falsify a survey inthis way. It appears as though it nas intended to ailon the honeto be shifted to the rrest to avoid steep slopes and poor Eoils.
l,layor and City Council
Septenber 20, 1990
Page 3
This situation could have been given consideration for a variancehad it been requested.
Should the City Council so desj.re, rre would of course pursue thisroatter to the best extent of our abilities. There nay be soneobject lessons to learn frou this case, however. We think thatthis is a highly unusual circunstance given the historical,background of the street, hosever, it is inportant that staff benore diligent in confirning survey infornation. This Datter al.sore-enphasizes the need to ensure that as plats occur that atlnecessary rights-of-way and easenents are dedicated and fil.ed as acondition of.approval . Staff is working rrith the city Attorney tohave his office be responsibLe for filing plats and to handle-aL1.recording of docunents since we believe this would be the nosteffective way to ensure conpliance. we will report back to theCity council shortly on this Datter.
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Dear P.:u1:
Y':! asL.eLt I : to reri i-i. .;l-,._ i.:,ll -..: - c; fects a;)ar f ende): an
OP.aIicJr-:
1. .l ho:te ti !t!r,::r ,'r:r:,tr:_--iC,-.- lf : l-.e, s€!i:,ack is neasurej
f rr,r tl-; a:ig* cf tr',. . JI-C.. .,,. l,.rl;l lr. t):; sett,a.:ir does :iot nieet
Qi<a::)..t'.'.:a rtiu:re,a!rt-., Il t,1. 9,i:il,;.-)t -is rrca3u:t,: fron, the edgec,f tr: a1r-y'; r€:,rde,i ej5.i,,:. t, !l:e a-.-.bii:.k :',€€.r.:- ordinance
requ i ri:rrer-'t s.
?, Tlrc street i:- n:,t o:r . f,IatLa.' rly-ht-of -.,r'ay. 1'he Cityan ease--lent )i,sr :l)e "strii,llr- i,iirt', of the street, b-rt nottrre cuI-de-sclc bubblc.
3. Th r-: Cj.t.r
cLl l -dr" - sa c bubble
ha s be.- r:for nror.e
n.1il.t€1it]i!rg the Streei. lnclucling the
t,)'ra r. six (6) ycars.
4. The prcperty is reglstered 1a:rrJ.
t'iinnesota Statutes ! 16C.05, Subci. l, p,rovldes:
Slx Yeats. tltr €!n 6n-' r..cad cr fro.tt:oti of a road has bee used
an(-: kei.,t in repair and r.r:rked f or at least six ( 6 ) yearscontinuously a! q public highway by a toad authority, itshall bc decmod dedicated to the ptrblic to the width of theactual use and be and remein, until lawfully vacated, apublic highway whettrcr it has ever been estabLished as apubl.i c highway or not. Nothing contain€d ln this subdivlslonshall irnpair the right, title, or int:eregt of the waterdepartment of any city of ttre 61raa class secured underSpccial. Latds 1885, ChapLer 110. Tf.is subilivision shall applyto roads and streets except platted strect.s trithin cities.
\htlkcc S(],rrc Offict llt r Sr(r 202 . -l{60 l0?aslllryr()|l l)ri}rr . llgan, MN 55122
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If this s6,;,; t_11r.: o,..ii, :r:,rtute in p(,int, the Clty rrroutd havean easenent cver the cul -ie-s;,c bubb:e'and lhe setUa8:r wouia feappro?!'iately r.e.su!-ed fy.,r l,:, Unfoit,nately, anothei "i"tut"applie s '"o regisf-ere.J la:r.-1 . l{inrr. Stit. S 503.C2 states rrno tlt,1eto regis',ered lanC i,n deio3^-: lcn of t.1at c,: the reglstefed -orner
shal I te- acq-uired by prcs.-,i!;,.: i on cr h! .ad.,,erse poise=if -n. i, aI:o:.f abi1' good argu!.ter:: .a;. i.ie ma,J-: 1ira._ the sIi (6i i;;;'s!atrite creates an ir'tet'est- r)). the pr;per-Ly uy oea icltion-rihictr
i1-13, e3i:;ng aFa:.t tlorr:.pres.c:.i;,tl.,i,-.': aatrerie poii.""i"n.'ffri"lssuei- h'rs nc-- beer r.ev:e.,cl ):.y- thF l{:nriesota Suirerne C.urt, TheAtt,)l-iey -cener. I has is=u.: j a:r ,)pi,. icri thet_ tf," iix igi-ieii:!atut:- does -appii, -tn. r..J, sr..:. e,i l.and, c _rpy encL:sea. ifrL' ii"u"i_s :'...':1]y unCec iCed,,bt,: ,:ri j.,e:te:. aigu,r!-n.- is r-hat tfre-sfi fStyea t' statute does apply.
Very tr uly yours,
r:6rEEf u;..KNUTsolr,' E FirCH9;' p.A.SCOTT
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5. Tbe Minnesota Court in T.ylor ". City of Austin, 32 Minn 27{, p.
2{8 in discwring the duty ot s Butlicipslity keepinR levet! in lepair statedr! t ' ' It is not mrterial to inquire rrheD or by lphom the sewe!
was originally constructcd, as it k not disput€d thst the city hrd .s-
Eulld il! co.r&ol rlrd Dlnlgemctrt. It Ess tber€fore its duty to use
ressonablc diligence to k€ep it iD prop€r r€pair, . . ' " (Emphasis
supplied)
tbe Mionesotg C,ourt iD Netzcr vs. Crooksto! City, 59 Minn, 2{t, held
tlEt when I city had built a setrer partly on priyste property, it Eas !o
€rcuse for failinE to repair the seme; th8t it hrd no riSht to go upo[ such
property to make Epsirs. It should hsve acquired sucb righL
The Court h.s put the ernphasis upon the city 8lsuDing co[trol and
msna8ement of the sewer. The mere acceptanc€ of & plat which dedicates
streets and alleys would not require the council to improve snd develop
rsid pape! streets and alleys, By the same tokeD the rnere e!pr9v&l of a
plst should Dot i[ s.Dd of itlelf !re8n the agsuEption of cotrt ol and E.n-
rgeDeDt of severs dedicated thereid. See Op. Atty. Gen. 18d, April 6, 19{6.
6. For a discussion of the li8bility of s truniciDal corporstion where
it hes assumed coDt ol and Eanagement of a seper see Eouche v8. Cit, of
Miueapolis, 1947, 223 Minn. 359, 27 N.W. 2d 295, i\ which prior cases are
Evicred. AIso 26 Miun. Rev. at p. 634.
CITIES
t2 3968-4, July 23, 1959
MiuEetorLr Village Attorney
Phtr-Bor& .!d Str.Gte-Bord or sh.Gt crn bc dcdictred by ltatltory
usct derpit title r.gistrrtion ptoccdings hsd dEri[8 tirre of conltru.-
tion of rord.
F.ct3
"Ia l9{5 the owaen of ! certain erca of lrad ritlfa the bound.ries
ol vhat Fas tbea the Town of Minn€toDka plrttcd reid hrd puBu.nt
to tle ltrtutes rnd provided theiein certain dediclted public rords. In
1946 the land3 as phtted vere registered lnder the provi8ious of Chap-
te! 508, MilnG3ot St tutrs.
"C€rtri! of the rfids d.dic8t d s! public rords iu reid plet wcri
Dot rctu.lly coDstaucttd itr r,c.ordrrnce EitL !he Dhq bui rcre con-
structsd rDd pl,aced irto ule by tbe olrDcr so thrt tha rotdE &tually
travencd rcrogs aud upoa oae of the lots ia ;rid. plrt. The rqrds as
tctudly cottlkuctcd rnd u.red hgve EBaiucd ulchaDgrd to tlhG pre3etlt
d.t , u!.d by the public rud EdltlilGd ead rcpdnd bfr tlrG Tova off,iancbntt rBd lEbr€qucntly, by it rcccclsor, the Villege ot l[itrne-
touLr.'
qucrtiou
"1. Allurirg tlrt tiG regbhftioD ol thc trsd lttd tbe co!!huc-
tiou of thc rord ls it.ctudl, Grirtr occErrrd d or lbout thc rlEe
of Aultitr, 32 NliJ,'i 214, p.
ing sewers in EDsir stated:
ir.n or by rPhom the sewer
,uted th.t the city hrd .s-
therelore its duty to use
:cpair. " '" (Emphasis
)! City, 59 Mirn.2,14, held
)rivrt€ property, it was no
d Do right to go upoD such
. luch ri8ht
city assuming cotltlol and,of a plat rPhich dedicates'il to improve snd develoP
e! the mere approval of a
:rption of cortrol and nan-
:ty. Getr. 18d, April 6, 19.16.
unicipal corporation where
$Gr see Bouche es. City of
,5, iD Ehich prior cases are
395g-,1, July 23, 1959
-irnet trka Village .l,ttoney
bc dcdicrtcd by sEtutory
ad durilg tilre of cotr6tuc-
' Lnd vithiD the boundsries
plrtted s8id land pursu.nt
- dcdicrtad public roads. In
dcr the provisions of Chep-
lic !o.& irl s8id plst Pere
:h the plrt" but Eere con-
so tirt the roads ac.ually
ir ltid pbL fLe roads as
d uachanged to the pr$ent
d llp8iled by tlle Town ol
lor, thc Villrge ot Mithe-
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time, does S 160.19, Minnesoto Ststutes apply so that tbe rosd become!
r dedicatrd public road by statutory user?
"2. Is ther€ any coniict between $ 160.19, 8foresoid, gnrl Miane-
rot Strtute!, $ 508.02, thEt would prevent tbe application ol 5 f60.19
to registercd luds ?"
OPinion
M.S. 19{5, ! 160.19 provided [ss the lorp applicable lew, M.S, 160.051
slso providesl:
"WheD sDy rord or portiou thereof sball heve been uaed rurl kept
in r€pai! aad vorked tor st lesst six years continuously ls s public
highway the sam€ 3hdl be deemed dedicated to the public to the width
of tso rods on each side of the center line thereof end be and rcmain,
ultil lawlully vacsted, a lublic road rrhether the same has ever been
established as e public highway or not."
Il the road iu questiou [includittg those portions thereof which were
desiS:lated as public roads or strrets oD the plat executed pursuart to ![,S.
c. 505 aud vere thereby dedicated to the public aa au easeEreltt for payl,
has been used, kept iD lepair aDd -orked for at leest sir years coDtiEu-
ously rs 8 public high*ay, it i! deeued to be dedicated rs ! public road or
street to the ext€nt speciied rbove, aad it r€Esi.ls such r road or ltrcet
until le*.fully vacsted in the BsDler provided by ltatute.
Proceedings uDder c. 508 to registe! the lsrd within the area coyered
by the plat do Dot preveDt or iEpair the use, repair aad working of aay
portio[ thereof, as a public hiShwsy. Registrred hud is subject tp tie lsue
burdens and ilcidents ss sttacb by lae to urregisteled lsud!. U.s. 508.02.
And it is proyided by M.S. 50825 tbrt every peEoD receivitlg l celtifcatr
of title shau hold the same subject tD: "4. AU rights iE Dublic highw&y!
upon tjre land."
The hst seltelce of U.S. 508.02 which provida th&t "Do titlc to rcsis-
tered land ia deroSstion of th8t of the r€gistrled owDct shru bc rcquired
by plescriptioD or by adverse possessiou" obviously does Dot spply to mtd3
and streets dedictt€d by strtltory use! u[der ! 160.19.
Accordingly, it is our opiDio! ttr8t U tbe resish8tioE of th€ Lrd rBd
the coDstructio! ol the road as it rctually €ristc occuErd rt or rbout thc
ssme time, l[.S. 1045, S 160.1"0 .ppli€d so th.t thc rord blcelrc r public
road by uler if th. Equirelrerts ol thst sectio! rcre srtisaed. Thqe i! !o
coDiict brbreeD ldd M.S. 160.19 8nd U.S.508.02 which rill DrlyeBt thc
rpplicrtion of U.S. 160.19 to rcSirtrred lsBd!.
l
l
$r Lld and tbe coDltruc-
r!!d at oa aSout thc rsme
rl.r. 1919, c. ltt, .ddG! L l 160.rl ih rrcvL., rrbtiDs b tL !idt+ .t , ot tL rra.!rbD.!E6i o! u, .rt ol rl. irra cl..l. rond ulde .D.ci.l Lr. 1tt5, c- tro. 1,.r. tt5?.c. L8, | 72 trr..l.d I r60.!t l.nd trid .!rrr.r i! I ,.! rt-.axr.d rl. DtovLillr ol t 160.19.dillDa t!.rdo: 'Tln t.cdo! .lrll .DDI' L r!.d! ud rtr.rt .rcq,t Dlrtt d .t -o ntii!.itt-, vullts rnd LrtErh!." ClrD.t ,a!, I l!, .r rEc!d.d. L ..d.d .r I-& re6?, I160.U!. L.rt 1961, q l0O, Att, \[, I lt r.D-Ld I lao.l2l ud iD AlL L I ! rlel, Ddtcod.d .. I 160.0!. F-el.d rU ol i!. ,rwi.!o!r ot I rao.t!I.