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1985 12 18 - - - PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES ZONING ORDINANCE INFORMATIONAL HEARING DECEMBER 18, 1985 Commissioners Present Chairman Bill Ryan, Vice-Chairman Ladd Conrad, Steven Emmings and Mike Thompson Absent Howard Noziska and Bob Siegel Staff Present Barbara Dacy, City Planner and Jo Ann Olsen, Asst. City Planner DISCUSSION OF BROADEN STUDY AREA ALTERNATIVE PLANS Dacy explained and reviewed for the Commissioners the Downtown Redevelopment process that has occurred since the fall of 1984. She stated that two public forums were conducted by Fred Hoisington and Brauer and Associates to develop a fresh look at the downtown redevelopment. She stated that a concept plan was agreed upon and then discussed with the development community at a developer's forum in May, 1985. Dacy stated that the HRA authorized Brauer and Associates to conduct a Broaden Study Area in August of 1985 to help justify and study certain proposals that were contained in the concept plan. Specifically, she stated the proposed new access to Highway 5 needed to be addressed by the consultants in order to work with MnDOT. The other purposes of the broaden study area were to analyze the proposed land uses and their effects on the functional charac- teristics of the major roadways within the broaden study area. Additionally, the consultant was to work with MnDOT in developing its T.H. 5 widening design. Dacy stated that the HRA in November authorized the expansion of the broaden study area to include the T.H. 212 corridor because of its importance in its impact on access not only to downtown Chanhassen, but to Chanhassen itself from the east. She stated that Fred Hoisington was present to discuss two alter- native land use concept plans. She stated that Hoisington wanted to discuss with the Commission the two concepts and select one concept to serve as a basis for the consultant's traffic analy- sis. Hoisington stated that Plan A is basically in accordance with the City's adopted Comprehensive Plan. He stated it included the connection of T. H. 101 to T.H. 5 at Dakota Avenue as well as including interchanges with T.H. 212 at County Road 17 and Dell Road. He stated that a partial intersection right in and right out could be tested between Great Plains Boulevard and the railroad bridge. He stated that Plan B includes an interchange at Highways 212 and 101 and only a minor departure in land use - Planning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Page 2 from plan A. He stated that it includes additional commercial development in the southwest quadrant of Highways 5 and 101 plus some higher intensity development in the vicinity of the 212/101 interchange. He noted that Plan B does not propose a connection of Highway 101 and 5 at Dakota Avenue which routes 101 traffic through the downtown area. The Commissioners discussed access to the downtown area from the west as well as access to the Jonathon Industrial Park and the Chanhassen Lakes Business Park. Ryan stated that access from the west is most important to the business park areas. He stated that it appeared that County Road 17 would be the primary access point to the business park and the downtown area. Pat Swenson stated that at one time an intersection on County Road 18 with T.H. 212 was discussed. She stated that she would like to see this option pursued in the study. Fred Hoisington stated that the consultant will look at that option. e Conrad asked about the types of information that was used for traffic splits on particular roadways. Hoisington stated that information is taken from studies con- ducted by the Metropolitan Council and the preliminary traffic studies conducted by MnDOT in preparation of the T.H. 212 corri- dor study. Ryan asked if the study would be telling the city that we should be building a traffic system to serve commercial development or should the city be specifying a highway system which in turn will tell us where development can be? Hoisington said that the purpose of the study is to find out how well the land use and traffic system interrelate to one another or how well they function together. He stated that it will also tell us where the problems are and point to how we can deal with the problems at Dakota Avenue, for example. Conrad stated his concern regarding the lack of an intersection at T.H. 101 and T.H. 212 on Plan B. He stated that he felt that the Dell Road intersection and the County Road 17 intersection would not help Chanhassen. - Hoisington stated that the consultant will test the sub- alternative at 101 if the plan A alternative is chosen. I e Planning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Page 3 Conrad also commented that the intersection would also create some type of pressure for commercial development as well as other types of land uses such as medium to high density residential. Ryan asked if Dell Road would cross the railroad and act as a replacement for T.H. 101 north. Hoisington stated that it won't be a replacement for T.H. 101 but it is planned to cross the railroad. He stated that it is not known at this time when the railroad would allow the crossing or the future improvement plans by Eden Prairie. However, he stated that the computer model will test Dell Road crossing the railroad as existing and non-existing. Don Patton asked if there is flexibility in the 212 alignment so that it could connect at Lyman Boulevard? Hoisington stated that they will variations to the 212 alignment. known how much of a lattide they the alignment has not officially be looking at a number of He stated that it is still not have on the alignment because been set by MnDOT. Robert Eide asked when the public could make input into the T.H. e 212 alignment. Hoisington stated that there would be a number of public hearings conducted by the state in the communities in which 212 is going to be built. He stated that it is his objective to test the pro- posed transportation system and to identify potential problem areas. Eide asked how could the public be made aware of the public hearings? Dacy stated that the official newspaper at this time is the Carver County Herald, although it may be changed to the South Shore Weekly News. She stated that the city is involved with the T.H. 212 process by participation in an advisory committee. She also stated that the city has not been made aware of the state's proposed public hearing plans regarding the 212 alignment. Conrad moved, seconded by Emmings, to recommend that Fred Hoisington and consultant use Plan A to use as the one land use concept for the Broaden Study Area. M. Thompson asked why it is important to conduct the study at this time? ,e Hoisington stated that MnDOT is now preparing the design and details for the widening of T.H. 5. He said that by preparing a study it will allow the city the ability to influence decision e e e k Planning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Page 4 making by MnDOT. He stated that the timing of the Broaden study Area also coincides with the work being done on the 212 corridor and again it is important for the city to participate with MnDOT as they go through the process instead of MnDOT telling the city what is going to happen. Ryan, Conrad, and Emmings voted in favor of the motion. M. Thompson abstained. Motion carried. ZONING ORDINANCE INFORMATIONAL HEARING Public Present Pat Albrecht Mary Lou Camiel Bob & Marge Anderson Robert Eide Grant Beise 6951 Tecumseh Lane 7100 Tecumseh Lane 7090 Tecumseh Lane Riley Lake Boulevard 7116 utica Lane The Chairman opened discussion to members of the public who wanted to make a comment regarding the proposed zoning Ordinance. Members of the Greenwood Shores Homeowner's Association presented their resolution for the proposed zoning on the Eckankar site. The homeowners stated that they would prefer to see a con- tinuation of the R-IC District, (40,000 square foot minimum lot area) south of Greenwood Shores progressively switching to R-IB District, (15,000 square foot minimum lot size) and then proceed to medium to high density residential with some type of provision for light and neighborhood commercial. The homeowners stated that they preferred to have the entire piece developed as resi- dential as it is now zoned, however, they knew that some type of commercial may be necessary in the area of the Highway 5 and County Road 17 intersection. If commercial is to develop, they prefer it as light commercial. Don Patton asked why there was an area of R-IB zoning south of the industrial park and east of Audubon Road. Ryan stated that the Commission felt it necessary to put the high density adjacent to Powers Boulevard rather than adjacent to Audubon. Robert Eide submitted a letter for the record requesting another zoning district be applied to the ten acres designated as medium density on the comprehensive Plan on his property. Dacy suggested that an option for consideration for the Commission would be the R-2 District which allows four units per acre. e e e Planning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Page 5 The Commission agreed to look at all of these requests again at the public hearing. The Chairman stated that he would not be able to attend the meeting on the 15th if the public hearing was scheduled for that time. Dacy stated that in the alternative staff would prepare a new proposed hearing schedule and most likely the public hearing would be at the end of January or into February. Meeting adjourned at 10:30 p.m. Barbara Dacy, City Planner