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Agenda Packet Part 2 5- October 13, 1987 To : Park & Recreation Commissioners & Staff Refer: Referendum We have an opportunity within the next few months to ask the voters of Chanhassen to fund park expansion projects as part of our five year plan. I feel it is important that we send a clear message to the City Council through a motion at our next meeting as to what we want to see on a referendum in early 1988. My personal projects along with cost estimates are list below. I. Lake Ann Expansion $500,000. A. Grading entire site B. Develope active areas 1) 1 regulation soccer field 2) 1 regulation little league field 3) convert existing baseball diamond to regulation babe ruth field 4) 2 additional softball fields 5) additional parking 6) light additional fields II. Phase I Trail Plan $900,000. III. Site & Acquire Parkland $350 - 400,000. A. South Community Park 1) Connected to existin; fluff Creek Parkland 2) Adjacent to southern ed.lie of Hwy 212 corridor 3) 10-15 acres for active use and 35-40 acres for passive natural areas 4) develope park 5-10 years B. West Lake Minnewashta Neighborhood Park 1) Lake St Joe area 2) 5+ acres Please review and be prepared to discuss these projects as well as any you may have to add. o,r -7/ ,t) O'm Mady e bituminous pedestrian/bicycle uaii I i ,'• — `/'/"//'/ .• '• / '// /d9/ / / , ( /! .// ,,tap//biz ,- /H /. proposed boat rental/fishing dock -cr.,:� -id,///% •/1/rl%llll//� Lake Ann ,// / ,, r l!,r : — t /�� ,:ir• _-_--------t," 'i 4 - "4"11. , i .A \ proposed pedestrian trail bea �a0 '/ 01. .'/.. I pr... 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BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator 1.19 DATE: November 17, 1987 SUBJ: Reconsideration of a Trail Easement, T Bar K Estates In May, the City Council gave final plat approval for the T Bar K development located on the southwest corner of Lyman Blvd. and TH 101. One of the conditions of approval was for the developer to provide a 20 ft. trail easement along Lyman Blvd. and a 12 ft. nature trail easement along the 886 contour line. The applicant has recently contacted the Planning Department requesting the City Council to reconsider the nature trail requirement. The applicant feels that the nature trail along the rear of the lots is making the sale of these lots difficult. Potential buyers have expressed their concern over having a public trail across their private property. -- This trail request was made to continue the nature trail that originates in the Bluff Creek area. Staff felt that this item should appear before the Park and Recreation Commission for consideration before it is reviewed by the City Council. Update (November 24, 1987) The Park and Recreation Commission felt that the City' s commit- _ ment to trails throughout the City is important. They felt that the nature trail along the rear of the lots would have minimum impact on the homes as it would be located a significant distance below the building pad. The Park and Recreation Commission voted unanimously to recommend denial of this request. Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24 , 1987 - Page 16 Sietsema: I will send out a thank you to them when you've decided what you want to do with the money so I can tell them at that time what we're doing with it . Robinson : Will that be on the next agenda? Sietsema : This item will be on the next agenda. Robinson : I mean what we're going to do with the money so we can get a thank you out to them before they' ve got another check into us . Sietsema: Yes . RECONSIDER TRAIL EASEMENT REQUEST ALONG THREE LOTS IN T BAR K DEVELOPMENT. Sietsema : What I put on the table is just a copy of the trail plan that shows how the trail plan is affected by this subdivision . Al Klingelhutz: I'm a realtor in town here. This is Karen Slater who owns the 10 acre tract that was subdivided into three lots south of Lyman Blvd.by the south side of TH 101 where it T's. We are having quite a problem with the fact that there is a 20 foot trailway on the road side of the property and an additional trailway system on the backside of the property _ which actually severs the lot from the low lying area and the high land. Twice these lots have been sold with the understanding that is was just a conservation easement and wouldn't be a trailway and in checking with the city, the people had found out and this is my understanding that it was — just a conservation easement to protect the wetland. People checking with the city found that it was through trailway system and the lots have been cancelled out. The purchase of the lots has been cancelled out. The lady who purchased one of the lots was going to be here tonight. I think I was supposed to be notified of this meeting. Karen came to my nouse tonight and said the meeting is tonight and I was a little bit surprised that I wasn ' t notified . Sietsema: I thought you were going to be out of town so I sent it to her . Al Klingelhutz: And Cheryl Grant who was purchasing one of the lots definitely said she'd like to be here at the meeting to testify saying that she really feels that seing there is a 20 foot trailway system along the road should be sufficient and in order to have two trailway systems on the same piece of property, one in front of you and one if back of you, I wouldn' t like it and I think if I questioned any one of you in that same thing, I don't you would like that because it takes away so much of your privacy. You've got people walking in front of you. You've got people walking i.n back of you. You build your house in the middle, what do you have left for your own private property? Karen here is not capable of holding a job and she is pretty much depending on the money from these lots to make a living. They aren't going to bring that big a dollars but they are going to be real helpful in her making it. Far be it for me to say _ Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24 , 1987 - Page 17 anything against trailway systems because I think the original trailway system in Chanhassen was started when I was Mayor of this town. I don' t — know if you've seen that plan or not but there was quite a comprehensive trailway system and I think we took great care in not being detrimental to property. Virtually when you put two trailway systems like this on a piece — of property, one in front and one in back, it's almost like a payment without compensation. The value of that property detriorates so much that you almost have to sell it for half of what it's worth because of the fact that the people who are buying these lots, they buy a lot of this size and nature for privacy and not to have people running past your front door and past your back door . Thank you. - Hasek: What happens if we eliminate the trail system on Lyman Blvd. and leave the one in the rear? - Al Klingelhutz: The rear one is really the one that's causing the problem. The front one along Lyman I think is more important for the total trail system of this city than the one in the rear because actually right now, it's this piece of property that would have a trail on it so it would -" probably be another 20 years before that trail would be completed on the rear of the property. - Hasek: I guess just in looking at the trail plan here, I have perhaps the same concern as the owner does, that we surrounded a piece of property unnecessarily. I'm not familiar with the lay of the land out there. Is _ there anyone on this commission who is? Lynch : I ' ve seen it about a year ago . -- Hasek: Adjacent property to the west and to the east? Al Klingelhutz: Adjacent property to the west was all a cornfield this _ year. Part of the slough is on the adjacent property, a wetland. The adjacent property to the east is a 10 acre parcel and only one individual , one owner of the total farm to the south and east there. -'Watson: And he has a private residence there? Al Klingelhutz: He has his own private residence on the property. To the `south you have a nursery that has been bought. There's a growing range there now and it looks they've done a lot of improvements on it. They tore down some of the old buildings and they painted the barn and it's starting to shape up. Hasek: Is the 60 acre parcel that's to the west, is that owned by one person? Al Klingelhutz: That ' s owned by Earl Olasic , yes . Hasek : And that ' s the parcel that ' s being farmed right now? Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24 , 1987 - Page 18 Al Klingelhutz : Yes . Hasek: Is that that real high cornfield that's out there. It sits kind of up in the woods back off the road a little bit? — Al Klingelhutz: No, it's a fairly flat piece of land. The east end is a slough area or the wetland and the corn did come up to his property line right along Lyman Blvd . . It ' s actually the site for the proposed landfill . Hasek: I think the intent was to try and get, I don ' t remember this one? Sietsema: The Park and Recreation Commission did not see this. It was the Planning Commission that recommended these trails. It was not brought to us . Al Klingelhutz: I think you're looking at a trailway system on each side of this property right now. Hasek: I guess the question that I had in looking at the detail on this, it's very broad and I'm wondering if maybe one possibility wouldn't be to exchange an easement in the back or maybe an easement on the west property — line. That would at least make the connection to Lyman Blvd . . Mady: You're talking a nature trail to a nature trail. A nature trail is not going to be paved . Hasek: That's true. However , there are going to be people on that trail _ and we've got one in the front. If I remember correctly, we looked at a parcel that wasn't dissimilar to this that was in the northwest corner of CR 117 . Schroers : Lori , the trail that runs along the back of the property, are you familiar with that? Sietsema : I haven't walked it myself but this is one that Tim Erhart has walked this whole area and it connects up to the trails that he's building along his property that would potentially connect this area to the Bluff Creek trail system that is on the plan. Watson: It looks like it's forked. Are we actually running along the west property line and along the south? The nature trail looks like it's kind of forked right in there . Al Klingelhutz : As far as I know, there is no easement along the west property line at this time and I think that was after . . . Watson: Before it gets up to CR 18 doesn't really have the easements so we ' re only concerned about the southerly portion? Al Klingelhutz: Actually when you look at this, it doesn' t look like that nature trail goes completely around too because when you get over by TH — Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Page 19 101, it doesn ' t really show it again . —Si.etsema: There's a portion of it that needs to go in along with road improvements. It's still the preliminary one but there is a nature trail that would go all the way down to connect those two pieces . Al Klingelhutz: You mentioned Tim Erhart and I sort of discussed this with him and he kind of realized the problem he was creating there when I told _him what was happening and I 'm just wondering if I shouldn't have asked him up here tonight to talk to you about it too. Karen Slater : That swamp area , if you want to see swamp, go to the "Arboretum. That' s not far away. Mady: That's not the issue. We need to have trails and we're not going to _tell our people they have to go to Eden Prairie to use the trail and we're not going to tell them to go someplace else. I have a problem that the trail that we're asking for on the bottom part of this property is 32 feet below where you're going to be putting your house. That's a long ways. You're not going to be seeing these people. This is no different than any other trail easement we're putting in any other place. We're doing it at Chan Ponds. They're selling those parcels. I don't see the problem. I —really don't. I'm sorry but we're asking for a nature trail on the bottom because the nature area exists down there and we want to preserve it. People want nature areas because they' re there . Al Klingelhutz: Can you tell me why people are cancelling out of their purchase agreements if it ' s no problem. `"Lynch: I have a hard time with that Al because I know people in Minneapolis that have paid extra money to get a house that was on the Minneapolis trail system. Al Klingelhutz: This would be on the trail system. Here we've got two trail systems on the same piece of property and that's the problem. I 3on't think there would be an objection if there was only one trail system on the piece of property. Watson: But the trail along the road though, along CR 18, it's not going —to much different than people just moving along . Mady: It's just sidewalk. This is no different than look at the ones in _Eden Prairie. They're being built basically as sidewalks 8 feet wide. Al Klingelhutz : I don ' t see any problem with the one along the highway. —Mady: And the one on the bottom is not going to be paved. It's basically for families going down there. It's not going to be kids tearing up and Sown with the dirt bikes and skateboards . Al Klingelhutz : Are you sure? Park and Rec Commission Meeting — November 24 , 1987 - Page 20 Mady: It's not going to be paved so there will be dirt bikes but not skateboards . They won ' t be able to do it. Karen Slater : A real nice quiet little place down there . — Mady: Well , the whole place is a quiet place . Boyt: I don' t think we can have a developer coming in here and saying we decided we don't like your trails when we have our trail system developed and ask us to take them out . Al Klingelhutz: This came in after the fact. Because of the fact that the preliminary plat showed nothing about a trail system on the lower side of this property. When it came to final plat Mrs. Slater and her son Dan were not even here to defend the issue and I guess this is one thing that's bothered me to change horses after the middle of the stream had been crossed. The preliminary plat there were seven issues I believe and this trail system was something that was added to it after the preliminary plat was approved . Hasek: Was the trail added by the Park Board or by the Planning — Commission? Al Klingelhutz: I'm not sure who added it but it did come up before the Council? -' Hasek : Do we know who added it? Mady: I don ' t have a problem with it whether it was us or somebody else . Sietsema : I think it was added at the Planning Commission level. I do not — believe that the Park and Recreation Commission saw this . Watson : There' s no mention of this body as a part of that. Hasek: I have another question. It says there's a 12 inch underground pipeline across this property. What is that? Al Klingelhutz: William's Pipeline Company. That was actually before Mrs. Slater bought it. There is a telephone easement on the property but those easements are both blanket easements and are being taken care of and reduced to a definite easement on the property. Schroers: Are you have problems right now Mrs. Slater with people running through there with vehicles of any type or kind? Karen Slater : Only my own use of it right now. My son has been helping me take care of it because I have to have the money. You see this is my problem. Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24 , 1987 - Page 21 Mady: That's all fine and well. However , the thing in front of us is whether or not we should have a developer come in front of us and ask us to remove a trail easement and that's what we have to look at. I'll tell you right now, I'd say no. Trails are there, the easement's there and I don't see any reason why not to have it . Karen Slater : I want to get the lots sold . Mady: You have the opportunity to sell that whole parcel also. The City has no responsibility as far as I'm concerned making sure that you can sell your piece of property for the money you want to sell it for . — Karen Slater : I can ' t sell it for what I want . Mady: That ' s the problem you have. Al Klingelhutz: I think you're wrong in that Jim. I think the latest Supreme Court decision said that if there is a taking of property without _just compensation, the property owner has the right to sue that municipality or whatever jurisdiction . 3oyt: You need to bring that up with the City Council and City Attorney. —We ' re park developers . Al Klingelhutz: It is devaluing that property because I know for a fact _that it is devaluing the property. We can bring with us the planned purchase agreements on the property and because of the fact that the trail easement is on the lower side of that property, they are cancelling out their purchase agreements . Mady: How was it presented to them Al? We've got developers coming in here, the guy came in here from Chan Ponds, he's happy with that thing now —that he ' s seen how it ' s going to be developed . Al Klingelhutz: I think Chan Ponds is a little different. You've got a wider trail system there. You've got a total park area there. You haven't got this 12 foot easement across your property just for people to walk on. I think by Kerber Pond is all together different things than this is because you've got a total area of land that the city has jurisdiction over --where here you've got a 12 foot easement that the city is going to have jurisdiction over. It doesn't say providing for foot travel. It doesn't say snowmobiles can' t travel on it. It doesn't say three wheel or _motorcycles can' t travel on it . Lynch: I'm stuck on the same thing. As far as a property owner effectively, inconvenienced or not inconvenienced, the builder over here —really seems to think that those are his premium lots now because we did considerable negotiation with him. -Al Klingelhutz • Because they' re overlooking a nice big pond . Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Page 22 Lynch: Not a big pond, it's a very small pond but if it was a slough like Rice Lake Marsh or whatever, I don't think that's exactly the point. We have a situation there where they do have on-street trails through that neighborhood. You do have a situation where, if it's planned right, the — trail in Chan Pond's area is about the same distance from the hill as what you have here and the hill, your elevation is a little greater than what it is there even and there's no intervening cover over here. On those, the _ whole operation is seen as a positive thing. Now I can understand where you may have purchasers of a piece of property that as part of their ideal of a piece of a property required absolute, total isolation. I have friends that wouldn't live any other way but they're in a minority. Most of the people I know, myself included , if you say would any of you like to have the trail , yes I'd like to have to the trail very much. I have public street on both sides of my property. It spans a circle and that's always been used by everybody in the neighborhood as the pathway because we were lucky enough to have that neighborhood develop where there should have been pathways so we have a narrow residential road with a fairly high traffic _ level on both sides of our property and I don't feel that it detracts at all from the value of my house or the liveability of the property or the aesthetics of the property. I think if everything is known up front, there are buyers that will be attracted to the property. Maybe perhaps just the ones that were in there this time. . . Schroers: Is there any other solution? Is there a way of rerouting the ._ trail a little bit further away so that it wouldn't be inconvenient to the perspective buyer? Sietsema: The reason that the 886 contour line was chosen is to make sure that it would be on dry ground because there are cattails and wet areas below that. Lynch: I can't tell you for sure on this one but generally the city staff picks a contour that's above high water mark. The traditional high water mark. Schroers: I think that we already talked about that in our previous meeting didn' t we about this particular area and keeping it up? Hasek : Not this one. We talked about another one . Schroers: But the same situation . Watson: Al, do you think this trail would be less threatening to people who were developed? Is it because it's kind of ambigi.ous exactly where it is or whatever it is that ' s part of the problem? Al Klingelhutz: I don't know. The people I've been dealing with, it's like he said. They want absolute privacy and want to build back onto the - bank overlooking the low area which would be right above the trailway system. Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Page 23 Hasek: Just another question. If the trail were along the back property line, a 20 foot easement there, how would that effect it? Al Klingelhutz: If the trail were completely on the back property line I don' t think there would be any problem with it. It could never be used . Hasek : But is that why you're saying it would be problem because you know that it couldn't exist or if there was high ground there and had a trail system. . . Al Klingelhutz: I don't think it has near the effect on the property because this is that much more from where the house is. inm Hasek: So really in your mind it's kind of a question of the degree of the effect on the property. Al Klingelhutz: That's going to shorten the property line up. Most of the people are going to try to get back as far away from the highway as _possible so it really brings it close to where this easement is . Hasek: I guess they're going to try not only to get away from the highway but if I were building on this , if I bought one of these things with a 12 inch William's Pipeline going through it, I'd want to build as far away from that too and I'm thinking that what's happening here is maybe not so much the trail but the lay of the land and everything and also the pipeline `;canting to push people towards the back of the property. I guess it's like Jim said, we're a Park Board. I don't know that this body, I know that I 'lad nothing to do with it. I understand the connection now. It seems to nake some sense to me and just based on the graphic here and knowing that `'you had the opportunity to take this to the Planning Commission and Council both, I would recommend that the trail easement remain in place at :he elevation 886 . Hasek moved, Boyt seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend to deny the request for reconsideration of the trail easement along three lots in the T Bar K development and that it remain in place at the 886 elevation. All voted in favor and motion carried. Watson : On Friday I guess it was, my son and his friend walked on the :rail between Greenwood Shores Park and Lake Ann Park. There is barbed wire all over on the ground within 2 feet of that trail all on city property. )ale Gregory: It just came up to us and Dean when down there today. Are you talking about the barbed wire that's on the ground or the fence that runs along the lake? .Jatson: No, it's between Eckankar's property, most of it, and the trail but it' s a flat area. It's in the city' s property. Park; and Rec Commission Meeting _ November 24 , 1987 - Page 24 Dale Gregory : But it ' s not the fence between the trail and the lake? —' Watson: No . Dale Gregory: Right along the lake there's a fence, it's not a barbed wire fence. Watson: No, this is on the other side of the trail. This is on the field side of the trail and it's buried in the grass and some of it sticks up here and some it's in rolls on the edge. The boys found it and kids slide down there. Well, Eckankar is going to ruin that because they fenced that property but even on the other side of the trail, on the lake side of the trail there's a thing of barbed wire that sticks up out of the ground, straight up about this high and it comes up out of the dirt and there it is. It' s just a great big barbed wire. Dale Gregory: We'll go down there and go through the whole thing tomorrow and make sure. Watson: Yes, because it runs all along there. Some places it comes up and it kind of rolls in the snow. To a cross country skier or anybody who happens to get off the path. Dale Gregory: I know that was the fence from Greenwood Shores all the way to Lake Ann side and we went down and we just took a quick look at that and I thought if I'm going to get that out. What you're talking about, we'll. go down tomorrow and make sure. Watson: It's one of those old fences. It's a pasture is really what it is but I really think. . . • Mady: I asked Lori about , there ' s some barbed wire around . . . Dale Gregory: There's only two of us and we're so dog gone busy right now. _ Like I told Lori , we didn't get everything done tnis year that we had to get done and we really were hurting this year because we didn't get any CEDA help for one thing and we hired one part-time guy. That guy who works for me, his brother, he's 16 or 17 this year so he was able to drive but — we' re getting to the point now where we've got to have at least two people in the summer who can drive besides the two who are working there now because we've got enough grass right now and enough maintenance that we can keep two guys cutting grass during the week at all the parks and that doesn't leave us any time for playground equipment maintenance or any of that other stuff. Like I say, if we had had a rain that the grass would have really grown, we'd really be in trouble. I'm expressing the fact that we need young kids or high school kids that can drive. We get these CEDA kids and that and they can ' t drive. Watson: The reality of the situation is, we can' t continue to develop parks and build trail systems and stuff unless there are people to maintain them because we ' re going to get into trouble when we can ' t maintain them. Park and Rec Commission Meeting November 24 , 1987 - Page 25 Hasek : Isn ' t that also supposed to be figured into the budget . —Watson : Not our budget. Sietsema : If there' s not anything else for Dale we ' ll move on . Lynch: I wondered why because we did this years ago, Dale probably remembers this. Dale used to come in once a year and we'd say Dale, this is your spot, how are things? And he'd say well. That's how he got that shed out at Lake Ann. It took 2 or 3 years for it to happen but that's how he got it and he'd say this is going well and that's going well. I'm having a problem here. We need to do something with this place. It wasn't "-all of it all wasn't always accepted but nobody here has more hands on experience than Dale does. What do the rest of you guys think about inviting Dale in at a certain once a year . Sietsema: Budget time would be good . Schroers: Let's extend an invitation to Dale to come in any time he feels `like it. Any time that he's got a concern or especially if there's some way that he thinks that we could help him , that he should be able to come in here and address us any time he wants to . INIMB Lynch : I think that should always be open but I would like to see us once a year , as sort of a stated maintenance update. Mady: I would have liked to have heard from him prior to the budget being oassed so we could have made a recommendation to Council that they increase zis budget if he' s got maintenance problems. We need to start doing that . REVIEW PRE-CONCEPT PLANS OF PARK PARCELS IN LAKE SUSAN HILLS WEST TO DETERMINE IF THE RIME PROPERTY IS NEEDED TO SERVE ESTIMATED NEEDS . Mark Koegler: I think you're probably generally familiar with Lake Susan fills West. Some of us are real familiar with it. We've seen it for over 10 years. The purpose of the discussion this evening is to take a look at this early on , relatively early on the in the review process of the whole thing and to assess whether or not the park that is being shown is adequate =or neighborhood park purposes. Specifically looking at Outlots G, H, E -end F down in this location. Those are the ones that have been dedicated or will be dedicated as a part of this proposal. The overall subdivision las a little over 1,000 units which has the capability of adding basically `596 of the city's current population. Approximately 2,700 additional people so there is obviously very substantial park impact that comes out of this project and it probably comes as no surprise. What we discussed the feed to do is to assess the overall park demand and I think the best way to 'no that is to look at a couple of things. First of all some discussion on your park about the level of facilities that you thing are going to be :equired for neighborhood park purposes and indicate now that realistically Lhe Park Commission is in a good position to do that judging from experience that you have with other parks around town. I think a City Council Meeting - May 18, 1987 Councilman Johnson: The pipeline is there but the final plat before us tonight is missing that easement. Jo Ann Olsen: It doesn't show up on the final plat itself. Barbara Dacy: The pipeline company, they have a blanket easement on the entire route. 'through every piece of property that the pipeline traverses, it's my understanding that they have a blanket easement. We can check. Ted _ Kemna is the Carver County surveyor that is dealing with the applicant. We'll double check that but that was our understanding. Councilman Johnson: But as a future buyer walking in there, I have no idea — until I look at the plat whether there's a William's Pipeline running underneath my property. Barbara Dacy: It should be part of the Abstract too. Councilman Johnson: Okay, if it's part of the Abstract. Barbara Dacy: We can easily double check that. Councilman Johnson: My question is, should it be on this drawing? -- Barbara Dacy: The Carver County surveyor can answer that. Gary Warren: Not all easements show on plats. — Councilman Johnson: Not all easements have to be shown on plats? Okay, I wasn't sure of that. — Gary Warren: Trail easements for example don't. Councilman Johnson: Trail easements don't show on plats. Well, that eliminates my next question. I think Dale eliminated my last question which was do all the preliminary conditions apply. Mayor Hamilton: They do. Councilman Johnson: It looks like in the recommended we only had three conditions but then in addition to those three there are the other ten. Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded for approval of T-Bar-K \\)icT Estates for final plat #87-21 with the following conditions along with the conditions that were passed previously on preliminary plat approval: 1. Lot 1 shall be permitted a driveway located 200 feet east of the west property line. [:: 2. Lots 2 and 3 shall share a driveway on the property line between Lots 2 and 3. 24 City Council Meeting - May 18, 1987 A 20 foot trail easement along the northern boundary and a 12 foot easement along the 886 contour for a nature trail shall be dedicated to the City. All voted in favor except Councilman Horn and motion carried. _, STATE AID DESIGNATION, LYMAN BOULEVARD/LAKE RILEY BOULEVARD. Gary Warren: To give you a little overview. What I'm showing here on the overhead is the total State Aid system that the City has designated to date. The dark and the dash lines are the roads that we currently have on our State Aid mileage and they total to a little over 11 miles. Based on State Aid quotas, etc. we are allotted to 13.06 miles that we can designate for State — Aid. Back in September Bill Monk sent Chuck Weichselbaum, the State Aid Engineer, a request to include Lyman Blvd. and Lake Riley on the State Aid system and after catching up myself and talking with State Aid, they were waiting for the City of Eden Prairie to designate their abutting or adjoining roadways that would provide as they call it continuity to let that happen. Since that time, the City of Eden Prairie has done that so that has paved the way for us to formally request that that road be placed on the system. — Likewise, West 78th Street, shown here, currently has County State Aid designation but our downtown redevelopment project with some developments in the area, the James property, we've been working with the County to get them --7 to remove their County State Aid designation so we could have more flexibility Iin our design for the downtown area. But to protect the continuity of Kerber A Blvd. which is State Aid road, we needed to replace that distance with our own mileage so that we wouldn't have a problem with the State. Otherwise, we '- basically lose the southern half of Kerber Blvd.. So actually we're talking three roads because Lyman Blvd. and Lake Riley Blvd. are separate here but basically those three roads have received preliminary approval from the State — Aid engineer for adding to our mileage and the resolutions tonight if authorized, we would submit a formal petition to have them added to the system which basically would fill out our compliment of State Aid roadways. Long range down the road, Pleasant View Road probably will be taken off of the State Aid system. The State hasn't caught up with us basically in that regard. With the development in the Near Mountain area it's no longer looked at as a major connection so it will probably come off. Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Horn seconded to adopt resolutions for designation of municipal state aid highways for the following roadways and — also directing Staff to submit these resolutions to the Commissioner of Transportation for his consideration: Resoultion #87-46(a) : Lyman Boulevard east of TH 101 to Lake Riley Boulevard. Resolution #87-46(b) : Lake Riley Boulevard from Lyman Boulevard north and east to the city limits. 7 Resolution #87-46(c) : West 78th Street between Kerber Boulevard and Powers Boulevard. -7.-- All voted in favor and motion carried. 25 // / / r II IJ line ore Nf�iq o�ffr�Nf%4 or Ihe u�-�% o�$eo.23 /�rb 1�rre Fence I ,33l r /� I 1 _ -16.25-' 'I t ` 1 —— —160-4£•1, — 133s I Lz : Ty fe�° sl r 20� . i - ! 2 i .1 I. y I ,..',.., 1 Q._ /6/ 4.-.. o , e ate. ° ,IL- a / ! 4 I ', —1 i _ I tie t 9,4 ram_ ,W y P 9,6 .D� ..,„ — _.... "-- A ji..::-' 00 a , • co .D 76 n. 1 ;z, >r. 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Community Center, Final Report and Recommendation from the Community Center Task Force. b. Trail Plan and Lake Ann Improvements, Park and Recreation Commission c . Remodeling of Fire Station, Nick Ruehl, EOS Corporation On September 21 , 1987 , the City Council considered requests from the Park and Recreation Commission, Community Center Task Force , and Fire Department to consider their recommendations regarding potential referendum items for trails/community center/expansion to the fire station, respectfully. For each of the plans presented on September 21st, the Council asked that additional information/refinements be made . Following the September 21st meeting, each of the respective groups have worked to carry out those refinements/provide answers to questions. Since each item is separate and distinct, a cover memorandum has been prepared for each. That cover memorandum discusses original objectives , discussion by the City Council, and conclusions/recommendations of each group. The City Council is being asked to determine whether any or all of the proposed construction is to be considered as a part of a special referendum to be held in early 1988 . Action should include the proposed expenditure level for that program/activity. Should the City Council endorse the position that any or all of the attached items should be presented to the voters as a part of a special referendum, staff should be instructed to prepare the necessary resolutions calling for the referendum, making recom- mendations regarding potential date/referendum language, and budget adjustments which would be necessary to fund a special referendum, and potential news releases/ community mailers , visuals . Mayor and City Council — December 7 , 1987 Page 2 Mark Koegler and Lori Sietsema are anticipated to be present to make the presentation regarding the trails/Lake Ann expansion. — Jim Mady, Chairman of the Community Center Task Force, as well as Bob Davis , Architect, are anticipated to be present to discuss the community center plans . Nick Ruehl, Architect, together with — members of the Fire Department will make the presentation regarding the Fire Department expansion. /77 CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE . P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Community Center Task Force /l/a° /17. DATE: December 1 , 1987 is /7 / r7 SUBJ: Community Center Task Force Final Report and Recommendation The Community Center Task Force was appointed by the City Council to study the need for and location of a community center in Chanhassen. By being a representative coalition of the Planning, Park and Recreation, Council, Housing and Redevelopment, and com- munity recreational groups , we were able to reach concensus much quicker than if our composure had been different. Through edu- - cating ourselves , through our own members and the multitude of experts providing input to us , we believe that the conclusions reached by our group are sound and well considered. The Council/ -- citizenry will find many additional conclusions and supportive documentation in the later part of this report. However, the following represent the most salient and compelling reasons as to why we are recommending that a community center be built in our downtown area of a size and with a program configuration as described in this report, i .e: - Unprecedented Opportunity: The existing building/land being offered to the City by the Housing and Redevelopment Authority represents a significant financial savings to our citizens which should not be missed. The proposal includes payment of demolition costs and construction of corridors forming a public/private partnership of unpre- cedented magnitude. If the community center were to be built at another time/location, the construction costs would approximate $4 . 0 million. If a referendum can be successfully passed prior to spring, 1988 , this same faci- - lity can be built for approximately $2 . 5 million. The significant cost savings coupled with the City' s "financial analysis report" , reflecting that the proposed debt can be repaid without a tax increase, re-inforces the committee' s position that this opportunity represents a unique opportunity for our City and our citizens ; and - Sense of Community: By reviewing proposed redevelopment/ recreational plans for our community, it is apparent that Mayor and City Council December 1 , 1987 Page 2 the community center can truly provide a new awareness for the citizens in our City. A downtown community center can generate a recognition of our City and can be the nucleous for our redevelopment plans ; and — - Increased Tax Base: The Committee firmly believes that the community center will work hand-in-hand with redevelop- ment plans and be a driving force in creating 30 , 000 to 50 , 000 square feet of additional local retail ( $250 , 000/ year in new taxes ) . The community center is estimated to generate approximately 200, 000 trips per year which, — again, will provide the impetus to stimulate development within the downtown area; and - Shortage of Facility Space: Our physical fitness programs surpassed available space several years ago. The com- munity center will meet existing and future needs of the City. The facility has been designed so as to appeal to all segments of our community, i .e. seniors , community groups, physical fitness , swimming, tennis , figure skating, gym, and hockey users , as well as to accommodate — major events , i .e. flea markets , etc; - Self-Sufficiency: If properly designed, a community _ center can be self-sustaining (does not include repayment of the principal debt) . The inclusion of ice is critical in the self-sufficiency analysis . Ice center costs were found to be revenue generators given their ability to sell — off-peak time to non-local groups . Current heat reclama- tion systems re-inforce the importance of ice . The heat reclaimed in making ice was often found to be sufficient — to heat the entire community center - a cost factor of $50 , 000 if the ice arena were to be eliminated. The ice arena should be ready for use through referendum dollars ; however, lockers, bleachers, etc. , should be planned as future operational expenses potentially being paid by excess revenues or association payments . In light of the above points and based upon the additional infor- mation embodied in the remainder of this report, the following motion was unanimously endorsed by the Community Center Task Force: "The Community Center Task Force hereby recommends that the City Council authorize a referendum to pose the question of constructing a community center in — Chanhassen. The question should be based upon the construction of a 78 , 410 square foot facility to house programs as recommended in this report ( page 4 ) at a net — cost of $2 , 564 , 000 . Kasper moved, Mady seconded. The motion carried unanimously. " Mayor and City Council December 1 , 1987 Page 3 Thank you for your consideration. In behalf of the Task Force, Jim Mady Chairman Community Center Task Force Members Jim Bohn Bill Boyt Dave Headla Joe Kasper Bill Kirkvold Jim Mady Bob Robinett Vicky Sawochka Scott Simonson Pat Swenson Community Center Task Force Report December 1 , 1987 Page 4 Proposed Program Levels Community Center & Support Areas :Two Gymnasiums 12 , 280 SF Four Racquetball Courts 3 , 700 SF Swimming Pool 8 , 980 SF _ Support ( lockers , toilets, showers, desks, weights & exercise, etc. ) 4 ,280 SF Entrance & Circulation: Entrance 1 , 600 SF Circulation 11, 300 SF Meeting Rooms and Offices : Community Rooms 3 , 775 SF Senior Rooms 800 SF Control 520 SF Office 375 SF Community Center Total 47 , 610 SF Ice Arena 120 ' x 240 ' 28 , 800 SF Grand Total 78 , 410 SF The architect has set a total construction budget as follows : Community Center Facilities $2 , 331 ,000 Ice Arena 900 , 000 _ $3 , 231 , 000 Circulation & Demolition ( HRA) 667, 000 $2 , 564 , 000 — Community Center Task Force Report December 1 , 1987 Page 6 Background The Community Center Task Force was formed in March of 1987 when the Mayor and City Council appointed a ten member committee ( see Appendix A) . Members appointed were Bob Robinett and Scott Simonson, representing the local hockey association ; Joe Kasper, representing figure skaters ; Vicki Sawochka, with swimming interests; Bill Kirkvold, representing the Chanhassen Athletic Association; Dave Headla, from the Planning Commission; Jim Mady, from the Park and Recreation Commission; Bill Boyt, from the City Council ; Jim Bohn, from the Housing and Redevelopment Authority; and Pat Swenson who served on the previous Community Recreation Facility Committee. The Task Force spent significant time reviewing the actions of the HRA, previous study committee, as well as the persons inter- viewed by that former committee, i .e. Lowell McMillan regarding gymnasium usage at Chanhassen Elementary, and the two Community School Directors regarding community school programs which could be operated in Chanhassen if space were available. [ Salient documents from those discussions are shown in Appendix B. ] In addition, the committee spent significant time touring various community facilities within and surrounding the metropolitan area. Based upon this previous information, input received during tour sessions, and recognizing the survey completed by the Park and Recreation Commission (Appendix C) , the Task Force reached concensus that the following programs should be con- sidered in designing a community center for the City of Chanhassen: Lounge Multi-Purpose Meeting Rooms Gymnasiums General Exercise/Fitness Area Running Track Pool Instruction Pool Lobby Men' s Locker Room Women ' s Locker Room 4 Racket Ball Courts Ice Center To determine how the different programs interacted in regards to operation costs , the Task Force invited Tom Eastman , facility manager for Eden Prairie Community Center, to a meeting to go over his operation budget ( see Appendix D) . Mr. Eastman explained that the Eden Prairie Community Center includes an ice arena, swimming pool, meeting rooms , fitness rooms , racquetball , and a concession stand. Community Center Task Force Report December 1 , 1987 — Page 7 The community center pays $100 , 000 annually for gas and electri- city. A breakdown to determine which of the facilities uses the most of each is not available, and therefore it is unclear which — programs are the most costly to run. Mr. Eastman said that the heat reclaim system worked 75% of the time i .e. heat generated by making ice is stored in coils underground, which partially heat the pool , water and air in the ice arena/community center . Although the pool programs are personnel intensive, the programs offered are so successful that they more than pay the salaries of — those employees . Most of the fees for pool use is from the programs offered. Ice fees are obtained through hourly rental rates , not only to hockey players, but to figure skaters as well . The ice arena is rented to Eden Prairie groups first. A predetermined amount of hours are set for open skate times . Any time left over is — rented to groups outside the city. Mr . Eastman indicated that in most cases the center generates enough revenue to pay the operating expenses . However, there have been some changes and some problems that have made this impossible in the last two years . For instance, in 1985 the Recreation Department was moved to the center and though it increased costs for the center, it saves money and complications for the city in the long run. It also allows the center to be used more frequently at off-peak times . — The biggest money maker for the center are the racquetball courts and they are the easiest to maintain. Gymnasiums may be as popu- lar as the pool and can generate at least as much in revenue. Mr . Eastman indicated that they could fill three more racquetball courts during prime time hours in spite of Flagship. Wallyball , a form of volleyball played in a racquetball court, is very popu- lar and growing, too. Mr . Eastman said that a big, attractive pool is a positve selling — point for the facility. He said that over $100 , 000 is generated per year from the pool alone . He recommended that limited seating be included, allowing more room for a larger pool . So _ that a high school swim team and competitive swimmers could be accomodated, it was suggested that the an L-shaped pool be 25 meters in one direction and 25 yards in the other . Locker rooms are often overlooked and minimized. Mr. Eastman stressed that support facilities were very important if you want to attract all age groups . The more the locker rooms are cut back, the sooner you will lose the adult user. He suggested youth and adult locker rooms to separate the two groups . He also indicated that saunas and whirlpools will attract the adult user as well . Community Center Task Force Report December 1 , 1987 Page 8 Brad Johnson prepared a report comparing the Minnetonka Ice Arena and the Eden Prairie Community Center. He found that a facility that has a variety of programs throughout the year is financially the most stable . For instance, a center with an ice arena and a pool can be run more cost effectively than a center with just an ice arena or just a pool . The reasons for this is the heat reclaim efficiency and the fact that one program is often at it' s peak and able to carry another that is not. Conclusion/Recommendation to City Council The Committee members discussed conclusions/recommendations which the Committee appeared to have reached concensus upon during the past 8 months . The points which were unanimously agreed to included: - The unprecedented opportunity currently available to the community by the construction of a community center at this time; and - The ability of a community center to create a "sense of community" and "nucleus" for a true downtown; and - The significant effect a community center would have upon increasing the City' s tax base; and - The shortage of existing community facility space; and - The need can operate within the revenues it generates . [ Note: The Committee believed that the above points were of such significance that, for final report purposes , they should be incorporated into the first page of their recommendation to the City Council . The descriptions of these points have been deleted from this section and incorporated into the first page of this final report. ] Additional points for which concensus was achieved included: - The design must be sensitive to Bloomberg Companies ' plans to expand on their own property. To the extent that they are not foreclosed from the possibility of expansion on their own property, Bloomberg Companies will support almost any design; and - The design must be sensitive to redevelopment efforts of the downtown. Specifically, the HRA' s primary objective was to endorse specialty retail on the south side of West 78th Street. Such was shown to be achievable through the successful conclusion of two major attractions on the west and east end of the pro- ject area. The Dinner Theatre is the east end attraction. Mayor and City Council December 1 , 1987 — Page 9 The hotel is proposed as the westerly focal point with the corridor lying between the hotel and the Dinner Theatre providing the opportunity for specialty retail. The com- munity center design should be sensitive to that fact. To the extent that the community center would lie as a third major element in between east and west components, linkage is critical and the aesthetic appeal of that linkage is of importance; and - Multiple grades currently exist in the area proposed — for the community center . The corridor system and facility should be sensitive to these grade changes and carefully examined as a part of design. A poten- tial goal should be the consideration of using the grade changes as a means to separate community versus retail uses ; and - Parking demands of the community center, bowling center, hotel , specialty retail and Dinner Theatre, will have different load characteristics at different — times . The importance of a corridor system is criti- cal if parking demands are to be met for all com- ponents at all times. In essence, the design must consider relatively easy access from the west, east, — north, and south; and - The importance of a central courtyard for the corridor — system is critical . This area should represent the control center and accommodate the large masses entering and exiting the various facilities . As this will be the — central court yard for the community center as well as overall linkage system, a special architectural statement should be made in this area; and - The attention paid to locker and changing areas typi- cally downgrades an overall design. The locker areas should not fall into this trap and should: — o Provide for separate adult/child changing areas ; and ° Incorporate plans for expandability; and o Include means of monitoring activities ; and o Be pleasant, inviting , and attractive; and o Be centrally located to provide easy access by racquetball , — fitness , gym, and swimming pool users . - The highest architectural standards should be used to reduce longterm maintenance and insure quality — Mayor and City Council December 1 , 1987 Page 10 construction. However, budgets must also be maintained. Currently, the City could not legally sell a bond issue which exceeds three ( 3 ) million dollars . Politically, a bond sale of a lesser amount may have greater success ; and - Safety, control , and cheeriness of all components of the community center is critical. Specifically, the Housing and Redevelopment Authority had initially established goals of accomplishing a corridor system which would link the bowling center to a potential hotel, retail, and community center. Although this goal was admirable, all too often corridors are established in lower, underground, unattrac- - tive areas which are difficult to supervise or police. Downtown Philadelphia used an interesting design technique in that the corridor system serving retail users is separated from the City' s transit system using continuous glass panels . The fear of getting on or off the subway system is virtually eliminated as the commuter can readily see the shops and activity of the corridor system. Given the number of corridors proposed, special consideration needs to be given to these areas including the ability to block off or lock functional areas which may not directly be adjacent to the control center, i .e. community rooms , senior citizen room, etc. Recommended Community Center Programs/Sizes The Community Center Task Force concluded that the City should move ahead with a referendum for a community center with an ice arena. They have agreed that the plan prepared by Bob Davis is the best plan for the City and it includes : Community Center & Support Areas : Two Gymnasiums 12 , 280 SF Four Racquetball Courts 3 , 700 SF Swimming Pool 8 , 980 SF Support ( lockers, toilets, showers, desks , weights & exercise, etc. ) 4 , 280 SF Entrance & Circulation: Entrance 1 ,600 SF Circulation 11, 300 SF Meeting Rooms and Offices : Community Rooms 3 , 775 SF Senior Rooms 800 SF Control 520 SF Office 375 SF Community Center Total 47 , 610 SF Mayor and City Council December 1 , 1987 — Page 11 Ice Arena 120 ' x 240 ' 28 ,800 SF Grand Total 78 , 410 SF The architect has set a total construction budget as follows: Community Center Facilities $2, 331,000 Ice Arena 900,000 — $3 ,231,000 Circulation & Demolition ( HRA) 667, 000 — $2 , 564, 000 — As shown, corridor system, demolition and remaining site acquisi- tions are proposed as costs to be paid by the Housing and Redevelop- ment Authority. These concepts are consisent with previous HRA activities . Although the HRA has been generally advised of the Community Center Task Force actions, no vote on the concept presented in this report has occurred. Achieving HRA agreement is critical to cost structures proposed. As shown in the above outlined budget, the total referendum would be $2 , 564 , 000 with $900 , 000 for the ice arena and $1, 664 , 000 for the community center . As outlined in the sections labeled "Self-Sufficiency" , "Sense of Community" , and "Shortage of Space" , both the ice arena and community center should be considered as one question in the proposed referendum. A cost comparison was done for the downtown site and a free — standing building. If the community center of the same size were built at Lake Ann or on the Charlie James property (W. 78th and Kerber Bvld. ) , the total cost has been estimated by the architect _ to be $3 , 993 , 550 . The significant cost difference occurs as a result of currently having under City (HRA) ownership, a major portion of the land needed for the facility, having two struc- tures easily convertible for the uses shown in the plan, and the non-necessity to pay extensive utility, road, and parking improvements . In light of the aoove facts , the committee recommends that the — construction of the community center/ice arena should occur in the downtown area. al Ap pev\d;x A 29 it - City Council Meeting - February 23, 1987 i_ Councilman Johnson moved, Councilman Horn seconded to table approval of the Ill final grading and erosion control plans for Chanhassen Vista 2nd, 3rd and 4th Addition until the City Engineer states that all the conditions for the 1st and 2nd Addition have been completed and to have the City Attorney look into Ill violations of the last permit issued. All voted in favor of tabling the item and motion carried. iiAPPOINTMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER TASK FORCE. Mayor Hamilton recommended that the following people be appointed to the III Community Center Task Force. Jim Bohn from the HRA, Dave Headla from the Planning Commission, Jim Mady from Park and Rec Commission, Bill Boyt from the Council, Bob Robinett, Pat Swenson, Joe Kasper, Vicky Sawochka, Scott Simonsen and Bill Kirkvold. There are 10 members and that the Mayor be a II member of the commission in a non-voting capacity and as Chairman. The only time the Mayor would have a vote would be to break a tie. Curt Robinson was present at the meeting and the Mayor stated that he was more than welcome to 111 be an active participate at the meetings if he wanted. Mayor Hamilton stated that he just chose people from their applications and thought he was getting a good mix of young and old, and new and old in the community. III Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded to appoint the ng people to the Community Center Task Force: Jim Bohn, Dave HeadlaolJim1Mady, Ili Bill Boyt, Bob Robinett, Pat Swenson, Joe Kasper, Vicky Sawochka, Scott Simonsen and Bill Kirkvold, to begin work as soon as possible. All voted in favor and motion carried. ill ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGES, CONSTRUCTION FUNDS. illDon Ashworth: This chart was adoped by the City Council 20 years ago and basically it should be updated to include the additional work that the Staff does. You're in the process right now and so I brought this back to City illCouncil so it could be incorporated into your proposals. Mayor Hamilton: You're suggesting. ill Councilman Johnson: No reduction to $100,000.00. Councilman Geving: Basically you're going from 20 to 5%? Ili Don Ashworth: It changes. Goingfrom 0 to $100,000.00 at 5%. Previously that range when from 3% to 5%. Somewhere between $100,000.00 and $1,000,000.00 would be 4% and over $1,000,000.03 at 3%. ;II Resolution 487-14: Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded to adopt 41 tne a for the City administering construction activity as presented by the City Manager. All voted in favor and motion carried. r 3 .,. _„..* 61 Al?per,d�X B CRFC Minutes September 27 , 1983 Page 2 LOWELL MCMILLAN, CHANHASSEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PRINCIPAL: Mr . McMillan was present and discussed current activities offered at Chanhassen Elementary School. These activities include: - Dance Exercise - Parent/Teacher Association - Microwave Classes - Public meetings - Keep Fit Classes - Church groups - Judo - Fire Department volleyball - 4-H Club - Gymnastics - House Club - Wrestling - Girl Scouts - Brownies - Cub Scouts Mr. McMillan made some general comments on the use of the building: - Pressure to use space , but the problem is that classrooms are not lockable - No distribution of school property - Problem coordinating cleaning programs - Gym is high use, but short on practice - The building is not open on Saturdays because they must pay a custodian - Not a productive kitchen and cook must be paid - Big gym is not used every night GENERAL DISCUSSION BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS , DON ASHWORTH, JIM JONES AND LOWELL MCMILLAN : Salient points of the discussion included: - We have few corecreational spaces in Chanhassen. - Small rooms are needed for meetings - Holiday programs need space and therefore take space away from regular activities - Chanhassen has no space available for Chaska programs - There is a need for intramural sports for those children dropped from varsity teams - Lake Ann swimming program ties to school programs - NSP has a health and wellness committee and want to use gym space from 3 : 30 to 6: 00 p.m. - Jim Killian is willing to work on Minnetonka Programs in Chanhassen . - Services presently not available for the handicapped. - High school students interested in bowling . - Programs should be available for children with their parents . - Private operation was discussed and it was stated that membership fees would have to be affordable to residents . NNW - Operations could be run like a park department or from community schools . COMM �UNITY RECREATION] FACILITY COMMITTEE MINUTES T 4 1 : - D..SiA: , .S.:'.PTJ= PT7R 27 , 1983 1 A regular meeting ng of the community Recreation Facility Committee (CRFC ) was called to order on Tuesday, September 20 , 1983 at 7: 30 - p.m. in the City Hall . The following members were present : Chairman Mike Niemeyer, Jim Killian , Kay Faust, Ellis Thomas , Jo King, Pat Swenson , Bill Ryan . Jo King was absent . Also present were: Don Ashworth , City Manager; Jim Jones , Minnetonka Community Schools Director; and Lowell McMillan , Principal of Chanhassen Elementary School. JIM JONES , MINNETONKA COMMUNITY SCHOOLS DIRECTOR: Mr . Jones was present to discuss current activities of Minnetonka Community Schools . Those activities include: - West Junior High School usage - Adult Basic Education, Pre-High School - Latch key - Day Care being studied - Parent Education Program - Senior Skill Bank - Home Chore Referral Service - After school programs - Skiing Program (expanded beyond school children - $50 , 000 Budget The district ' s newest acquisition is the Excelsior Building . This building has many similarities to the Instant Web building . The question was how to use the building and the goal was to have the building become self-sufficient , i . e. $1 , 800/month expenses . Activities currently operating in the Excelsior Building include: - Latch key - String orchestra - Art Gallery* - Dance Studio* - Computer Education* - Toastmaster* - Alanon Group* - Photographer and Grapic Office* - New Senior Citizen Center with kitchen - Science Center - Police Gym (Security) weights - Jazzercise - uses a double classroom - Junior Achievement for special education students *These activities have an annual lease with the school district . Rental rates are $4 . 00/sq. ft . on the third story and $4 . 50 to $6 . 00/sq. ft . on the 2nd story. The building has 13 , 500 square feet of space which is almost all leased . The current monthly income from the leases is $1 , 700/ month . 30% of the gross rent is paid to the county in lieu of taxes . There has been very little vandalism to the building . = f MEMORANDUM DATE: May 5, 1987 TO: Chanhassen Parks and Recreation, Committee FROM: Patrick J. Pfahl RE: Results of Parks and Recreation Survey Attached is a summary of the results from the survey conducted for the Chanhassen, Parks and Recreation Committee. Please feel free to contact me at 690-3054 for any further questions or comments. Thank. you. .11 CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION SURVEY RESULTS May 5, 1987 PURPOSE OF STUDY: The following survey was commissioned by the Chanhassen Parks and Recreation Committee in order to _ determine the specific needs of the local community and their expectations of the city's parks and recreation system. METHOD: The survey was developed in the form of a telephone script. Each survey took approximately seven minutes to complete. Chanhassen Parks and Recreation Committee members, city staff and _ several other volunteers assisted in conducting the survey. Two hundred and nineteen households, (219) out of a total of 1490 available (listed in the 1986 Cole's Directory) , were surveyed. . TOPICS ANALYZED: The major topical areas covered in the survey included; I. Household and personal information. II. Facilities. III. Programs. IV. Indoor recreational community center. V. Funding. VI. Trail system. CONCLUSIONS : Household/personal information: The household information recieved from the study indicates a good representation of the -' population. The distribution in the length of time living in Chanhassen is evenly spread over the choices and by far the vast majority live in single family dwellings (850) . Compared with recent statistical data available on Chanhassen the average household size is slightly larger (1985 estimates 2 . 86/people per household vs. the surveys 3 . 12) . Personal information on the specific interviewees indicate a representative mix of both males and females. The most common age of interviewee was between 35 and 59 years old (55%) , with the majority working full time (64%) . Facilities: The results of the series of questions asked concerning facilities have been arranged in a descending order in relation to the "TOO FEW" response. The top seven responses, all having a "TOO FEW" frequency of over fifty percent deal primarily with the trail network, including: paved bike paths, walking paths, and jogging and hiking trails. The other three top ranking facilities which over fifty percent of the population surveyed felt there are too few were; swimming pool , open air shelters, and fishing docks. 4. Programs: The section in the survey dealing with specific programs was designed as a two part question; first, to ask if the household would be interested if the program was available, and secondly, to determine if the household was currently actively utilizing such a program. The results have been organized in a decending order in relation to the "YES" responses to the first part of the question. Another ratio has been added which is the percent increase in participation over current participation in the specific program. This ratio may be significant in making specific program funding decisions since it represents the potential increase in participation for either existing or future programs. Indoor Recreational Community Center: The responses to the question dealing with the community center were quite positive with seventy nine percent of the population surveyed answering "YES" when asked if they thought the city needed an indcor recreational community center. The programs section of the survey also lends some support to the community center in relation to possible facilities and programs offered. It appears that swimming, tennis, and areobics facilities ranked high enough to warrent consideration in the planning of the center. Funding: Parks and recreation funding was dealt with in two specific questions. The first question took an indirect approach which not only supplied funding information but also information as to the relative importance of park services provided. The interpretation of the results of this question are arranged in descending order in relation to the "MORE" option of the question (which referred to spending more vs. the same or less on that specific service) . The top response, with sixty five percent answering yes, dealt with the improvement and enlargement of the trail network. Two other services also received a fifty or more percent positive response rate including; physical improvements to enable specific programs (with fifty three percent) , and organized recreation programs (with fifty percent) . The second question in the survey dealing with funding took a more direct approach and asked wether or not certain methods of T funding were acceptable. User fees, with an eighty percent positive response rate, was the only method of the three options available to have a fifty percent or better response rate. I *Note - Grant Scholen of the Metropolitin Council conducted a study on user fees entitled "Fees and Charges in the Regional Recreation Open Space System" in February 1987 which should r' answer any implementation or establishment questions concerning user fees. Trail system: Information concerning the trails in Chanhassen can be analyzed by drawing on two specific sections of the survey; facilities and funding. In both sections the trail system finished with the best results in relation to the other questions in the section. SUMMARY OF RESULTS: The following is a detailed list of the frequencies and ratios of the responses to the survey. SUMMARY OF RESULTS CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT [I. HOUSEHOLDS] * How long have you lived in Chanhassen? FREQUENCY 6 3 (1) Less than 1 year. 66 30 (2) 1 to 5 years. 52 24 (3) 6 to 10 years. 69 32 (4) 11 to 25 years. 25 11 (5) more than 25 years. 1 0 (6) I do not live in Chanhassen. TOTAL 219 100% * How many people live in your household? NUMBER FREQUENCY a _ 1 25 11 2 52 24 3 53 24 4 60 27 _ 5 21 10 6 5 2 7 3 1 _ TOTAL 219 100 *Average household size - 3 . 12 * Do you have any children in your household? [under 13]FREQUENCY 0 0 48 22 _ 1 90 41 2 57 26 3 20 9 4 2 1 -_ 5 2 1 TOTAL 219 100 *Average number of childeren per household - 1. 29 * How could your residence be described? FREQUENCY 187 85 (1) Single family house. 3 1 (2) Mobile home. 13 28 (3) Multi unit dwelling. (apartment, townhouse, duplex) 1 0 (4) Other [VI. PERSONAL] * What is your age? FREQUENCY _ 3 1 (1) 17 or under 64 29 (2) 18 - 34 122 55 (3) 35 - 59 30 15 (4) 60 or over TOTAL 219 100% * Do you work full time or part time? FREQUENCY 140 64 (1) Full time paying job 39 18 (2) Part time paying job 4 2 (3) Currently no paying job 16 7 (4) Homemaker 2 1 (5) Student 18 8 (6) Retired TOTAL 219 100 * What city do you work in? CITY FREQUENCY Chanhassen 62 28 Eden Prairie 19 8 Minneapolis 19 8 Edina 15 6 Minnetonka 14 6 Bloomington 7 3 St. Paul 8 4 OTHER 31 14 TOTAL 219 100% T r * Was the respondent? FREQUENCY 103 47 (1) Male 112 51 (2) Female r i [II. FACILITIES] * TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW — FREQ % FREQ % FREQ (1) Paved Bike Paths 4 2 67 31 148 68 (2) Walking Paths 3 1 75 34 141 64 (3) Swimming Pool 4 2 87 40 128 58 — (4) Open Air Shelter 3 1 96 44 120 55 (5) Fishing Docks 5 2 105 48 109 50 (6) Jogging Trails 2 1 108 49 109 50 (7) Hiking Trails 3 1 107 49 109 50 (8) Racket Ball Crts 5 2 111 51 103 47 (9) Camp Grounds 3 1 117 53 99 45 (10) CC Ski Trails 3 1 118 55 98 44 — (11) Indr Tennis Crts 7 3 118 54 94 43 (12) Playground Equip 0 0 129 59 90 41 (13) Ice Arena 5 2 127 58 87 40 (14) Wght Lftg Equip 6 3 126 58 87 40 (15) Neighborhd Parks 3 1 132 60 83 38 (16) Natural Areas 4 2 133 61 82 37 (17) Boat Launches 14 6 124 58 81 36 (18) Nature Centers 3 1 138 64 78 35 (19) Tennis Courts 3 1 142 65 74 34 (20) Golf Courses 4 2 143 65 72 33 (21) Picnic Areas 0 0 148 68 71 32 (22) Skating Rinks 3 1 148 68 68 31 (23) Beaches 4 2 154 70 61 28 (24) Baseball Fields 8 4 167 76 44 20 — [III. PROGRAMS] * (% increase in participation) — [past 12 months] Would your household Does your household participate in: currently participate? YES NO YES NO — FREQ % FREQ % % FREQ % FREQ % Open Swimming 144 66 75 34 26% 85 38 134 61 Aerobics 127 57 92 42 34% 62 28 157 71 Indoor Skating 125 57 94 43 40% 54 24 165 75 Swimming Lsns 105 47 114 52 37% 48 21 171 78 Softball 102 46 117 54 28% 58 26 161 74 Tennis (lge/les) 101 46 118 54 43% 40 18 179 82 — Racketball 101 46 118 54 32% 52 24 167 76 Indoor Run/Trk 100 46 119 54 41% 42 19 177 81 Baseball 93 42 126 58 31 49 22 170 78 — Indoor Tennis 92 42 127 58 53% 28 13 191 87 Soccer 78 36 141 64 27% 45 21 174 79 Little Lge Bsbl 76 35 143 65 45% 29 13 190 87 i Weightlifting 71 32 148 68 21% 46 21 173 79 _ Yth Gymnastics 68 31 151 69 48% 24 11 195 89 Chldrn Dance 60 27 159 73 45% 23 11 196 89 Martial Arts 55 25 164 75 64% 12 5 207 95 — Yth Hockey 53 24 166 76 74% 8 4 211 96 Adlt Hockey 41 19 178 81 37% 19 9 200 91 * What park do you most often use in Chanhassen? PARK FREQUENCY — Lake Ann 136 62 Carver Beach 7 3 City Hall 6 3 __ = Greenwood Shores 3 1 Lotus Lake 3 1 Chanhassen Est 1 .5 Lake Susan 1 .5 — Chan Hills Park 1 . 5 No Response 61 28 TOTAL 219 100% [V. COMMUNITY CENTER] — * Do you think that the City of Chanhassen needs an indoor recreational community center offering such facilities as a swimming pool, tennis courts, racketball, a gymnasium, meeting facilities, or an ice arena? FREQUENCY 172 79 (1) YES 47 21 (2) NO — TOTAL 219 100% [IV. FUNDING] * For each of the services please indicate if you think we should spend LESS, the SAME, or MORE for each service. LESS SAME MORE FREQ % FREQ % FREQ % (1) Improvement and enlargement of trail network. 10 4 65 29 144 65 (2) Physical improvements to — enable specific programs [ballfields-pcnc ars-bchs] . 10 4 92 42 117 53 (3) Organized recreation programs — [more activities like swmmng lessons, little league etc] . 7 3 102 46 110 50 (4) Acquiring additional park land. 25 11 92 42 102 46 (5) Park supervision and police surveillance. 6 2 130 59 83 37 (6) Landscaping and maintenance of existing parks. 8 3 153 69 58 26 * Do you feel the following method is acceptable to meeting increased costs? YES NO FREQ o FREQ (1) User Fees 177 80 — 42 19 (2) Increased taxes 55 25 164 74 (3) Reduced Services 30 15 189 86 LIST OF SOURCES USED 1. Oatman, Dorothy, "1985 Population Estimates and Trends in the Twin Cities Metropolitan Area", Metropolitan Council of the Twin Cities Area, May, 1986. 2 . Scholen, Grant, "Fees and Charges in the Regional Recreation Open Space System" , Metropolitan Council of the Twin Cities Area, February, 1987. 3 . Scholen, Grant, "Reservable Group Picnic Facilities in the Regional Recreation Open Space System" , Metropolitan Council of the Twin Cities Area, December, 1985. 4 . "Leisure in the Twin Cities Area" , Metropolitan Council of — the Twin Cities Area, Survey, February, 1984 . 5. "Leisure in the Twin Cities Area" , Metropolitan Council of _ the Twin Cities Area, Survey Results, unpublished, February, 1984 . 6. Mott, William P. , "1982-1983 Nationwide Recreation Survey" , U.S. Department of the Interior and National Park Service, April , 1986. 7. "Minnesota State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan" , Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Volume 1, March, 1984 . 8 . "Minnesota State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan" — Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Volume 1, April, , 1984 . 9 . "Minnesota State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan" , _ Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Volume 1, 1985. 10. Smith, Charles K. , "Metropolitan Recreation Demand Study Summary Report, 1982 On-Site Surveys" , Metropolitan Council of the Twin Cities Area, May, 1984 . 11. "Recreation Plans" , City of Chanhassen, Current Edition. — 12. "Breakdown of Financial Data on the Eden Prairie Community Center" , City of Eden Prairie, 1984-1985. 13. Johnson, Bradley, "Proposal for Chanhassen Community Center Project", CHADDA, October, 1986. PERSONAL INTERVIEWS 1. Mike Liddecoat, Carver County Park Director. 2. Grant Scholen, Parks Planner, Metropolitan Council 3. Tom Redman, Chaska Parks Director 4. Marty Jessen, Hennepin County Parks Department Hello! My name : [you: name) , and I am working wi Chanhassen's Park • and Recreation ,,artrent. We are doing a public interest surrey on the city's parks and recreation needs. I would like to ask you a few questions which will greatly help in defining the future direction our city's park and recreation facilities. Do you have a few minutes to answer some questions? [I. HOUSEHOLDS] 1. How long have you lived in Chanhassen? (1) Less than 1 year. (2) 1 to 5 years. (3) 6 to 10 years. (4) 11 to 25 years. (5) more than 25 years. (6) I do not live in Chanhassen. -� 2. How many people live in your household? (1) (write number) 3. Do you have any children in your household? [under 18) (1) no (2) yes (how many?) (3) (write number) 4. How could your residence be described? (1) Single family house. (2) (3) Multi unit dwelling. (apartment, townhouse, duplex, etc) (4) Otter [II. FAC=T_ES] 5. I will read off a list of recreation fac" ""es and for eacn one please tell me if you think there are either TOO MANY, JUST ENOUGH, or TCO FEW adecuate facilities of that kind convenient to you. Please answer for your household even if you are not interested in particular facility. (1) Beaches TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (2) Boat Launches TOO :ZANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (3) Paved bike paths TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (4) Camp grounds TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (5) Walking paths TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO FEW (6) Tennis c,^,ur`s "'CO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO -E:r (7) CO Ski trails TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO FEW (8) Na---,1- 1 areas "'CO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO F IW (9) Fishing docks TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO FEW (10) Jogging trails TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW Oces your HOUSEHOLD think there are: (11) Golf courses TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO .E:, (12) Picnic areas TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO :; (12) Hiking trails TOO M",NY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (14) Nature centers TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (15) Skating rinks TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO FEW (16) Baseball fields TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO = (17) Playground Equip TOO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO F :+ I3 Ice -"w ( ) arena TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO (19) Open Air Shelter TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO FE:. (20) Neighborhood parks TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO F-:. • (21) Racket ball ceurts.TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TOO ._7t (22) Swinziin c pool TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO FE:: (23) Who lifting equip..TCO MANY JUST ENOUGH TCO .FTW (24) Indoor tennis crts.TCO MANY JUST ENCUGH TCO FT:; [III. PROGRAMS] The next question deals with programs. 6. I will read you a list of activities, please indacace wether or not you would and for the ac:i•::_. were offered in Chanhassen, then wether orrnot youcurren -acc_ri-_ participate. Again, let me remind you that you are answering for your household. • [Past 12 months) Would your household participate in: Does your :household - current : par---pace? (1) Open swimming in pool YES NO YES NO (2) Swimming lessens YES NO YES NO (2) Ma==_al arts (karate) "ES NO YES NO (4) Aero=-cs YES NO YES NO (5) C:___r_ns dance.classes YES NO YES NO (6) Youth gymnast.,.z "T NC _ (7) Bas�:ethall ' t .� NO�� YES NO YES NO (8) Tennis (league orl ssons) YES NO yES NO a — (9) Softball YES NO YES _;a (10) Soccer YES NO YES No Again keeping in mind your entire household. (11; * 4•-'e league baseball YES NO YES NO (12) Youth Hockey YES NO YES NO „., (13) Adult Hockey YES NO YES NO (14) Racketball YES NO YES NO (15) Indoor tennis YES NO YES NO (16) Weight lifting YES NO YES NO • — (17) Indoor running/track YES NO YES NO (18) Indoor skating YES NO YES NO 7. What park do you most often use in Chanhassen? — [write out] (V. COMMUNITY CENTER] 8. Do you think that the City of Chanhassen needs an indoor racreatjcral — „ con.:unity center offering such facilities as a swimming pool, tennis courts racketball, a gymnasium, meeting facilities, or an ica arena? • (1) YES '2) NO [comment] [IV. FUNDING] — 9. Next I will read a list of major services provided by the parks department. For each of the services please indicate if you think we should spend LESS, the SAME, or MORE for each service. L S M (1) Organized recreation programs [more activities — like swimming lessons, little league etc]. L S M (2) Acquiring additional park land. L S M (3) Physical improvements to enable specific programs [ballfields-picnic areas-beaches] L S M (4) Improvement and enlargement of trail network. L S M (5) Landscaping and maintenance of existing parks. L S M (6) Park supervision and police surveillance. — 10. Park and recreation operating costs are increasing. There are generally three ways to meet these increased costs; REDUCED SERVICES, INCREASED TAXES, OR USER FEES. Do you feel the following method is acceptable to meeting increased costs? — (1) Reduced services YES NO (2) Increased taxes YES NO (3) User fees YES NO (4) Other [specify] [VI. PERSONAL] The last questions are personal in nature directed toward you. 11. What is your age? • — (1) 17 or under (2) 18 - 34 (3) 35 - 59 (4) 60 or over 12. Do you work full time or part time? (1) Full time. paying job (2) Part time paying job (3) Currently no paying job (4) Homemaker (5) Student (6) Retired 13. What city do you work in? — [write in] Thank you for your participation in the parks survey, your input is greatly appreciated. Goodbye. [14. Was the respondent?] (1) Male (2) Female Comments or particular circumstances: - • .. 14jv,d i D a F0 v o a co o o 0 5- ° • 7" m \ m � , T. . _ co c7 0 14 T 0 ,,3 N • T .. • (,) ccD ca 3 '4 v O - To _11 bleachers \\. / T r-- T0 0. /- 11 (-- 8 T 1 1 1 i O 0 T cn o T N ; . c:„ ca.. 3 •oc—. 1 co0- m 0a) -_ T 0 8 7- r. C z m o 0- o -i m -‹ z l T 0 "T) m _ z D_ I -I JO m • • YK • • . • EDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY CENTER On November 15, 1979, the citizens of Eden Prairie passed a single issue bond -- referendum for $3,5000,000. In addition to local park development, the bond — issue allowed for the construction of a $2,250,000 Community Center in Eden . • Prairie. • This facility has been designed with the latest uses of energy efficiency, flexibility in usage and uniqueness of design. The facility will house a 200'x85' ice skating rink, a swimming pool with 8 -' lanes of 25 yards and 6 lanes of 25 meters, a wading pool with a sun deck, 3 racquetball courts, a complete fitness center, 3 meeting rooms, 7 locker rooms, • a concession stand, control office, lounge, equipment rooms and an enclosed mechanical mezzanine. Energy efficiency has been a key note in design of this facility. The 135 ton capacity of our ice making equipment is estimated to produce 1 million - BTU's of heat. The heat reclaim system should recapture approximately 800,000 BTU's of this heat to heat the sub-soil beneath the rink, heat the swimming pool water, all domestic hot water supplies, water for the Zamboni- ice resurfacer - and heat the entire ice arena! The swimming pool and domestic water supplies are equipped with boosters that will aid in heating those supplies when required. Flexibility in design has provided the participants additional usage for a wide variety of activites in the Community Center. Dasher boards are steel framed and light weight which allows for dismantling of the arena for dry floor events. The collapsible bleachers and setting of a pole vault box will allow pre-season training for the high school track team. Room allows for pole vaulting, high jumping, shot putting and a run-way for high and low hurdles at different times. The swimming pool's "L" shape design provides 8 lanes of 25 yards for high school swim meets and 6 lanes of 25 meters for U.S.S. (formerly AAU) swim meets. The same lane markers (with extentions), starting platforms and electronic touch pads - can be used to accommodate any high school or U.S.S. meet. The fitness center can be used in it's entirety or partially for groups or classes. During partial usage, for classes, the public can still use part of the fitness center. Our meeting rooms can be divided for additional use by smaller groups or opened up for larger ones. Stub-ins for a kitchenette have been provided for future needs. Our racquetball courts are heated and air conditioned for maximum comfort and to : promote year-round play. The large open viewing area provides ample spectator - r : viewing as well as air circulation and noise disbursement. 7-F Y 279=e 1 45 O "EQUIPMENT _. 17000 COPY MACHINE 7000 ELECTRIC LIFT --. 4000 SNOW CONE MACHINE 7000- FREE WEIGHTS 500 MATS 500 GUS & GOLDIE C000 17000 COMMUNITY CENTER 880-61 4100 WAGES 84000 ADMINISTRATION 4150 WAGES TEMPORARY 12000 4210 OFFICE SUPPLIES 1500 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 2100 4270 REPAIR ?Y MAINTENANCE 750 4722 TELEPHONE 4000 4774 MILEAGE 820 4. 40 ADVERTISING 500 4341 EMPLOYMENT ADVERTISING 250 4750 PRINTING 12550 4=80 REPAIR & MAINT CONTRACT 1000 119470 ICE ARENA 881-61 4100 WAGES 10970 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 1000 4221 MOTOR FUEL & PROPANE 2500 422.= CLEANING SUPPLIES 200 • 4226 CHEMICALS 1 000 42.=0 REPAIR ?:c MAINTENANCE 8000 4741 EMPLOYMENT ADS 200 — 4414 LICENSES & TAXES 500 247.70 SWIMMING FOOL 882-61 4100 WAGES 21200 _ 4170 WAGES TEMPORARY 59080 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 5400 4224 CHEMICALS 5800 4270 REPAIR & MAINTENANCE 1500 4754 MILEAGE 480 4741 EMPLOYMENT ADS "50 4.750 PRINTING 1250 — 4414 LICENSE & TAXES 300 9=460 RACQUETBALL 88=-61 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 500 4250 REPAIR & MAINTENANCE 500 1000 FITNESS CENTER 884-61 417.0 WAGES TEMPORARY 1250 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 500 42=0 REPAIR & MAINTENANCE 1000 2750 TOTAL 557450 DEPARTMENT NAME PROG# ACCT # DESCRIPTION AMOUNT TOTAL AMT CONCESSIONS 895-61 4170 WAGES TEMPORARY 11800 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 15C 4230 REPAIR & MAINTENANCE 500 4414 LICENSES & TAXES 200 4940 MERCHANDISE FOR RESALE 12050 247C SLATE SHARPENING 886-61 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 400 4230 REPAIR & MAINTENANCE 100 SC PRO SHOP 887-61 4940 MERCHANDISE FOR RESALE 105E 1050 MEETING ROOMS 888-61 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 250 COMMUNITY CENTER 889-61 4100 WAGES 56400 MAINTENANCE 4130 WAGES TEMPORARY 27100 4220 OPERATING SUPPLIES 600 4223 CLEANING SUPPLIES 3500 . 4230 REPAIR & MAINTENANCE 9750 4231 EQUIPMENT PARTS 500 - 4334 MILEAGE 200 _ 4371 ELECTRIC 62500 4372 GAS 48000 4.375 WASTE DISPOSAL 800 209750 • 3.8 COMMUNITY CENTER 1 A. Ice Arena Rental - prime-time = S75.00/hour (with applicable tax) • Non prime-time = $65.00/hour (3 a.m. to 2 p.m. on days wnen sznool ' is in session. ) • 3i. . School District Educational Classes = S20.O0/hour School District Hockey Team practice, Hockey Association of Eden- - 'Prairie, .Eden Prairie Figure Skating Club and any-other Com- • munity •Group that books a minimum of 100 hours. of ice time:- • . prime-time = S70.00/hour, non-prime t.ime•= S35.00/hour. . Hockey games- = $72.50/hour (personnel required to run the games supplied by others - school keeps 10CA of the gate minus -ice time and personnel costs. ) Individual open skating fees 71 17 years and unoer = S1.00 - ', - 18 years and older 52:00 . Family skate = 54.00/family I Recommended -open skating times: : Monday, Wednesday & Friday from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. ; Friday nights from 8 - 11 p.m. ; . - Saturdays from 1 - 4 p.m. and 8 - 11 p.m. ; and Sunday after- • noons (family skate) from 1 - 4 p.m. B. Swimming Pool . Residents: • - Rental fee - group reservations: 25 participants or less is • — - $27.50/hour with 1 Staff person; 25 - 50 participants is I $34.50/hour with 2 Staff persons; and over 50 participants is $42.50/hour with 3 Staff persons. . ' Non-Residents: 1 570.00/hour plus 55.00/hour/lifeguard . - School District Educational - classes = 517.50/hour 1 School District/;oxjet after school use (team practice) = S20/hour School District/Fcxjet swim meets = Y22.50/hour . Individual open swimming fees: - ` • � • 19 and Older = $2.00 5 - 18 years = S 1.00 Tots 4 years and under = S.50 (accompanied by an adult) Recommended open swimming times: Open family and adult swim- ming times would be spaced throughout the day Monday through 11 • Friday. Longer sessions would be available on Saturdays and Sundays. Hours would range from 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 hours Monday • through Thursday. Friday, Saturday and Sunday would range li . from 1 1/2 - 4 hours to accommodate family recreational swimming. C. Racquetball Courts IRental fee - School District use = S12/!•,our '„_ 3 svuis (includes esuse-cf available raccuis ,! o ' • D. Fitness Center Rental $35.00/hour — Individual use = $1.00 E. Meeting Rooms — Only private profit-oriented groups will be charged for use of meeting rooms. Room #1 = $10.00 per hour - first floor 111 Room #2 = $10.00 per hour - first floor Rooms #1 & #2 = $20.00 per hour - first floor — Room #3 = $15.00 per hour - second floor . F. Lockers There is no charge for lockers, but members/guests must provide own locks. G. Membership Fees All memberships become due January 1st of anygiven year; member- — ships purchased after January1st are pro-rated on a monthly basis. Non-resident fees are approximately 150% of those charged for residents. Swimming & Fitness Membership Family = $85.00 Individual = $50.00 — Scheduled open swims are free; free use of fitness center. Fitness Membership — Family = $40.00 Individual = $25.00 Free use of fitness center. Racquetball & Fitness Membership Family = $85.00 Individual = $50.00 — $2.50 per member for racquetball court; free use of fitness 111 center. Swimming, Skating and Fitness Membership Family = $120.00 111 Individual = $80.00 Scheduled open swims are free, scheduled open skating is free, free use of fitness center. Swimming, Racquetball & Fitness Membership — Family = $135.00 Individual = $85.00 Scheduled open swims are free, $2.50 per member for racquetball court, free use of fitness center. I -14- 1984 1985 1986 Requested Operating Budget 367,300.00 408,200.00 446,700.00 Actual Operating Expenses 399,537.00 441 ,578.71 — Total Daily Income 402,198.67 428,345.00 388,373.83 1983 Accounts Receivable - 19,076.92 1984 Accounts Receivable (thru 12/31 /84 ) 17,323.01 + 15,923.28 Adjusted Total Income 400,444.76 428,345.80 404,296.37 Operating Expenses -399,537.00 -441 .578.71 449,301 .37 Net Operating Profit $ 907.76 Net Operating Loss - $13,232.91 - 45,005.00 The detailed account of anticipated income and actual income, by area, is as follows: 1987 Anticipated Income Actual Income Ice Arena 1984 1985 1986 Open Skating 14,000 6,993.30 13,703.30 14,705.75 Lessons 4,000 9,277.00 4,640.00 6,274 .62 Ice Rentals 155,000 145,507.09 171 ,293.76 145,754.98 Misc. Income 1 ,000 6,216.40 1 ,456.52 2,610.41 Skate Sharpening 5,000 3,266.50 7,023.50 5,801 .25 Skate Rental 1 ,500 1 ,278.50 1 ,513.40 2,170.50 Pro Shop -0- 592.70 316.75 241 .50 Sub Total 180,500 183,131 .49 199,947.23 177,559.01 — Swimmine Pool Open Swimming 21 ,000 21 ,137.49 20,826.70 22,534.00 — Lap Swimming 4,000 3,612.00 3,454.00 2,975.00 Lessons 44,000 44 ,275.77 50,195.46 49,486.58 Pool Rental 17,000 17,039.28 15,682.09 16,967.90 Misc. Income 300 823.50 238.85 2,309.38 Sub Total 86,300 86,888.04 90,397.10 94,272.86 Racquetball Court Rental 45,000 45,352.87 45,600.75 39,261 .00 League Fees 1 ,200 1 ,713.24 1 ,545.46 1 ,099.40 Lessons 500 431 .00 405.05 644 .00 — Equipment Rental 1 ,000 577.95 909.45 668.45 Pro Shop -0- 1 ,080.20 918.45 699.00 Sub Total 47,700 49,155.26 49,379.16 42,371 .35 Fitness Center Daily admissions 6,000 4,873.01 5,381 .30 3,933.75 Classes 500 1 ,964 .05 437.70 738.83 Misc. 68.00 184.00 82.50 — Sub Total 6,500 6,905.06 6,003.00 4,755.08 Meeting Rooms Room Rentals 200 745.15 240.00 103.00 — Sub Total 200 745.15 240.00 103.00 -50- H. Dg.ily Use Fees ce Arena - open skating 19 and over = $2. 00 18 and under = $ 1 . 00 Family skate = $4 . 00 per family Swimming Pool - open swim 111 19 and over = $2. 00 5 - 18 years = $ 1 . 00 4 and under (accompanied by paying adult ) _ $.50 Fitness Center $ 1 . 00 day per — 111 Racquetball Courts Live or work in Eden Prairie (proof required ) _ $3 . 50 per person per hour . — Anyone outside of Eden Prairie = $4 .25 per person Persons with racquetball memberships will pay $2 . 50eperour person per hour . — Maximum court fee = $ 10 . 00/hour I . Policy of Group Rates and Liabilities ill ,,ies111 — Supervision will be at the discretion of the Center Management. This will be based on the number of people to be using the Center as well as the age and type of group. Necessary life guards , building supervisor (s ) and people to operate specialized equipmer. .,11 will be provided . Fees are $500 for City residents/groups ; $650 for out of town groups . Fees are based on use of the Center frog 11 : 30 p.m. to 7 a .m. on a lock-in basis . An insurance policy for 11 liability is also required . The maximum number in a group is 600 . Liability limits are $500 , 000 - bodily injury ; $ 100 , 000 - propert- r damage ; and $500 , 000 - personal injury . 1984 1985 1986 Requested Operating Budget 367,300.00 408,200.00 446,700.00 Actual Operating Expenses 399,537.00 441 ,578.71 — Total Daily Income 402,198.67 428,345.00 388,373.83 1983 Accounts Receivable - 19,076.92 1984 Accounts Receivable (thru 12/31 /84 ) 17.323.01 + 15,923.28 Adjusted Total Income 400,444.76 428,345.80 404,296.37 — Operating Expenses -399.537.00 -441 ,578.71 449,301 .37 Net Operating Profit $ 907.76 Net Operating Loss - $13,232.91 - 45,005.00 — The detailed account of anticipated income and actual income, by area, is as follows: 1987 — Anticipated Income Actual Income Ice Arena 1984 1985 1986 Open Skating 14,000 6,993.30 13,703.30 14,705.75 Lessons 4,000 9,277.00 4,640.00 6,274 .62 Ice Rentals 155,000 145,507.09 171 ,293.76 145,754.98 Misc. Income 1 ,000 6,216.40 1 ,456.52 2,610.41 Skate Sharpening 5,000 3,266.50 7,023.50 5,801 .25 — Skate Rental 1 ,500 1 ,278.50 1 ,513.40 2,170.50 Pro Shop -0- 592.70 316.75 241 .50 Sub Total 180,500 183,131 .49 199,947.23 177,559.01 — Swimming Pool Open Swimming 21 ,000 21 ,137.49 20,826.70 22,534.00 Lap Swimming 4,000 3,612.00 3,454.00 2,975.00 — Lessons 44,000 44,275.77 50,195.46 49,486.58 Pool Rental 17,000 \ 17,039.28 15,682.09 16,967.90 Misc. Income 300 N• 823.50 238.85 2,309.38 — Sub Total 86,300 86,888.04 90,397.10 94,272.86 Racquetball Court Rental 45,000 45,352.87 45,600.75 39,261 .00 League Fees 1 ,200 1 ,713.24 1 ,545.46 1 ,099.40 Lessons 500 431 .00 405.05 644.00 Equipment Rental 1 ,000 577.95 909.45 668.45 — Pro Shop -0- 1 ,080.20 918.45 699.00 Sub Total 47,700 49,155.26 49,379.16 42,371 .35 Fitness Center Daily admissions 6,000 4,873.01 5,381 .30 3,933.75 Classes 500 1 ,964.05 437.70 738.83 Misc. 68.00 184 .00 82.50 Sub Total 6,500 6,905.06 6,003.00 4,755.08 Meeting Rooms Room Rentals 200 745.15 240.00 103.00 Sub Total 200 745.15 240.00 103.00 -50- Ai Miscellaneous Income 1984 1985 1986 — Other Comm. Center Revenue 3,506. 13 Concessions 32,000 31 ,721 .71 34,902.43 28,962.01 ill Vending Machines 8,000 7,432.13 7,405. 18 8,163.11 — Memberships 45,000 47,650.20 51 ,672.53 42,732.00 Sub Total 85,000 86,804.04 93,980.14 83,363.25 Bills Due +15,923.28 TOTALS 406,200 Adj400,444.76 428,345.00 404 ,296.37 ill The recap of total expenses, by area, is as follows: 101 Budgeted Actual Administration 1984 1985 1986 — 99,000.00 84,539.14 99,764.27 120,686.57 lliIce Arena 22,050.00 23,668.16 29,208.21 17,503.26 — Swimming Pool 87,000.00 76,895.40 82,983.41 83,139.84 111 Racquetball 1 ,000.00 310.91 1 ,419.22 222.67 Fitness Center Concessions 1 ,550.00 138.78 661 .61 1 ,338.12 — 21 ,750.00 21 ,915.61 23,146.83 23,423.94 r. Skate Sharpening *i. 500.00 27.90 445.11 378.04 S; Pro Shop — 1 ,050.00 437.25 60.57 198.00 311 Meeting Rooms 250.00 11 .50 47.25 8.58 — Maintenance 21 FRG 891 198,050.00 170,766.03 186,554.07 179,690.99 — Leave Time 9,929.89 11 ,324.00 13,933.22 Misc. illBillings after 12/31 10,896.43 Capitol Outlay 14 ,500.00 5,959.16 — 121 TOTALS 446,700.00 399,537.00 441 ,578.71 4 —49,301 .37 -51- ill -' Participation attendance at the Community Center totaled 138,012 for 1984 and _ 115,204 for the 1985 year, a decrease of 22,808 over 1984. These figures do not lig INN reflect any private pool rentals, ice rentals or spectators. The monthly breakdowns were as follow: 1984 1985 1986 1984 1985 1986 January 11 ,109 7,661 10,256 July 13,428 13,031 12,331 February 12,802 9,639 9,510 August 14,863 10,970 8,736 March 16,155 10,545 10,561 September 7,855 7,206 6,911 April 12,298 11 ,194 10,190 October 9,874 9,592 8,767 May 9,706 8,153 6,057 November 9,902 9,634 8,780 -11111 June 12,416 11 ,736 9,408 December 7,601 6,843 7,829 -11 Specific area breakdowns in participation attendance by facility are as follow: 1984 1985 1986 ICE ARENA GRAND TOTAL 21 ,632 15,823 16,621 _ Open Skate total 17,409 12,395 12,079 1111 Adults 1 ,804 1 ,620 1 ,885 Students 12,578 8,940 8,267 Members 2,657 1 ,190 1 ,285 -II Families (times 3 ) 369 665 642 Skating Lesson total 3,465 3,062 4,508 Misc. totals 758 366 34 - 11 SWIMMING POOL GRAND TOTAL 71 ,413 64 ,021 58,983 Open Swim total 30,548 25,499 26,703 Adults 3,921 3 ,472 3,782 Students 13,727 12,741 13,267 Till Members 10,739 7,737 7,943 1 Tots 2, 161 1 ,549 1 ,711 _ ll Lap Swim total 13,793 11 ,651 11 ,117 Adults 1 ,999 1 ,455 1 ,347 Students 508 325 295 _ Members 11 ,289 9,871 9,475 Swimming Lesson totals 27,072 26 ,748 19,980 Misc. totals 0 123 1 , 183 -- All RACQUETBALL GRAND TOTAL 14 ,234 12,946 10,935 Open time totals 14 ,082 12,364 10,630 Members 2,140 1 ,631 947 1111111111 Non-members 9,388 9,395 8,725 Others 2,554 1 ,338 958 Class totals 147 166 106 Misc. totals 5 416 199 FITNESS CENTER GRAND TOTAL 15 ,409 9.213 7,905 Open Time totals 14 ,363 9,213 7,717 Members 4,618 4 ,000 3,655 Non-members 9,745 5,213 4 ,062 Class totals 1 ,046 0 181 Misc. totals 0 0 7 I MEETING ROOM GRAND TOTAL (approx. ) 15,324 13 ,201 14 ,892 --PI --ill -58- The Community Center operational hours are from 6:00 am until 11 pm. The ice arena is the only exception to the rule, as consecutive ice rentals may go until 1 :00 or 2:00 am. The facilities are generally open 17 hours per day and close only for major holidays, and snow blizzards. Individual facilities within the Center may close periodically for maintenance of floors, walls, surface or equipment. 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YN .Az pz J < to,oz p2 IAA VI to p2+2. i I.__ . , . . 1 CITYOF G CHANHASSEN \ 1/4/ 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 , MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager _ FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator 0 DATE: December 1 , 1987 - O SUBJ: Trail Plan and Lake Ann Park Development The Park and Recreation Commission has prepared a Comprehensive Trail Plan for the City of Chanhassen , which was presented to and reviewed by the City Council at the joint City Council/Park and Recreation Commission meeting on October 7 . At that meeting, details were discussed and it was suggested that the development of the trail plan be considered as a referendum issue. Also discussed at the joint meeting were park related issues that the Commission felt held a high priority. Discussion indicated that the expansion area at Lake Ann Park should be developed due to the need for additional athletic facilities . It was proposed that the park development project be included with the trail development project on the referendum. The total cost of the first phase of the trail plan is estimated to be $868 , 000 . The cost estimate for park development at Lake Ann Park totals $236 , 000 , much lower than originally anticipated. RECOMMENDATION Staff would recommend that the Council authorize inclusion of phase I of the Trail Plan development and Lake Ann Park develop- ment as a referendum issue in early 1988 . In so doing, the Coun- cil should select the upper limit of the referendum, i .e. total trail construction of $868 , 0001 plus total park development of $236 , 000 equalling $1 , 104 , 0002 . 1 The Council and Park and Recreation Commission discussed setting a first phase at a lesser amount, i .e. $600 , 000 . 2 The Park and Recreation Commission continues to have a priority of purchasing land to the southern Chanhassen area . An amount of $100 , 000 was discussed. CHANHASSEN CITY COUNCIL AND PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION — JOINT MEETING OCTOBER 7, 1987 COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Councilman Geving , Councilman Johnson, Councilman B o y t,..a rwi, g,Q,An.gi]= 1-4LD___--_ COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Sue Boyt, Carol Watson, Larry Schroers, Jim Mady and Curt Robinson COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Mike Lynch and Ed Hasek STAFF PRESENT: Lori Sietsema, Park and Rec Coordinator and Don Ashworth, City Manager Councilman Geving called the meeting to order . COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL PLAN. Councilman Geving: Just to start out, let's start with Mark and we'll take it from there. Hopefully our ideas tonight is to, we're going to hopefully go beyond what is in the capital budget. We'll talk about some philosophies as well right? Isn't that really what we're after? I hope that' s why we ' re here. Lori Sietsema: I wanted to just point out that Dick Potts is here. He's with the Snowmobile Club and he wanted to give a brief presentation before we started . Councilman Geving : I think we ' re already set so go ahead Mark. Mark Koegler: I'll be fairly brief and informal in keeping with the mood — of the meeting. You all got a copy of the trail plan which I think everybody is familiar with that essentially we're updating the Comprehensive Plan. As a part of that we're updating the recreation chapter of the Comp Plan and then in the last tier of the hierarchy, the trail element is a part of that. The trail plan was addressed in the 1980 Comprehensive Plan. The emphasize that was placed on it within that document was minor I guess at best. There was just kind of a cursory — review of the trail situation. That emphasize has changed for a number of reasons. I think this is the primary one. The Park Commission commissioned a survey in the middle of this year which showed that 5 out of the 10 top categories of recreational demand or at least interest by Chanhassen residentswas trail related with numbers 1 and 2 being paved bike paths and walking paths. As we point out in the trail plan, I think that coupled with the exposure that anybody that lives in Chanhassen has to trails. Whether it's the trails within this city or the the ones they see when they pass through Eden Prairie or Chaska, going to school or whatever it is, certainly helped heighten that awareness and perhaps -" that's indictitive of some of the results of the survey. The Plan that's been put together, philosophically is one which advocates City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 2 connecting major points of interest throughout the City of Chanhassen. Whether that be schools, parks, neighborhoods, commercial areas, employment centers and certainly the trail connections to the adjacent municipalities. __Princally Chaska_„and_Eden Prairie who have very active systems. The plan itself essentially calls for two types of trails. The first is categorized as a walkway-bikeway which the way it's called out in the trail plan, I don't want to say all by any means but a good portion of that is projected to be, or at least is recommended to be a 8 foot wide bituminous path as you would see in some of the adjacent municipalities. The width really being set by some minimum standards that 8 feet , 4 feet per lane if you will , is pretty much a minimum reasonable safety distance. It also is a good width because it accomodates a small truck or something with a plow for maintenance purposes so that is the section and the typical type of trail that we're looking at for the hi.keway/bikeway facility. I should add to that, that in the residential areas the Commission has discussed that, and I think actions recently have reinforced that, that we're not locked into that by any means. 5 feet or 6 feet might be appropriate depending upon the right-of-way that's there. Depending upon the setback situation of adjacent residential units and so forth. So the 8 foot is more of a guide that's, I guess you might refer to more of an open country situation. Along some of the county roads. Along some of the city streets in some cases. The second type of trail that's called out in the plan itself is a pedestrian trail and the pedestrial trail will be a trail of either woodchip or perhaps a compacted rock type of material and it's the trails that are in the scenic areas such as Chanhassen Pond, some of the areas down in the southern part of the community and then with some future expansions in some other areas. The board that's behind Clark and Jay, if you'd be kind enough to set that up on the easle, the lines that are on that map are the same ones that are in the copy of the report that you got. There is a distinction there that may be hard to read from the far end of the table. The solid red lines on there are the trail sections the Commission has identified as their recommended Phase I priority. The red that shows up with a little less intensity, which is actually kind of a hatched pattern red is what's been labeled as the second and third phases of the trail program with then the black dot pattern representing those trails which are identified only for pedestrian uses. I should indicate this is a composite map. It does include both existing and proposed trail segments. I think everybody is aware of where the existing segments are. The first phase is identifed as being over the first five year period with Phases 2- and 3 roughly being probably 10 years out and 15 years out respectively. So the alignment that is on there, again consistent with the philosophy that I referenced before, is the same one that's in the documents before you. I'd like to indicate and emphasize that the lines that are drawn on that map are really more or less planning oriented lines. They're not meant to be actual alignments. Any actual alignments certainly would be subject to more of a detailed feasibility review just as you would any other transportation improvement. Whether it be a street or sidewalk or whatever it might be. So those are expressing desired movements of the trails throughout the community itself. The plan then goes on to address City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 3 — several other factors that certainly are of importance. In terms of capital cost, there is a reference that generally the cost that we have used for referencing in coming up with some ballpark figures and corresponding to the various , phaes( range from $28,000.00 to $47,000.00 per mile. There's a fair amount of variance in that number and that — variance really takes into account whether or not easements have to be acquired. Whether there's a great deal of grading and slope work that needs to be done. Soil corrections that need to be done and so forth. I — think regardless of which of those numbers you use , the high end or the low end, probably everybody would agree that it's a sizeable investment and we're certainly looking at some numbers here that are very _ significant in terms of overall budgets and so forth that the City gets involved in. The phasing that I referenced before, the first phase of the plan which again is the heavy red lines on that map, represents a total cost of about 1.35 million dollars. We have looked at that in some — detail in terms of which segments might be fundable through various sources and have provided within the plan at least an intitial breakdown which indicates that due to the geographic location of some of those — alignments, approximately $240,000.00 of that cost is potentially retireable through tax increment revenues. $200,000.00 of it is anticipated to be the collection that the City will have in trail _ dedication fees over the next 5 year period. We've labeled about $33,000.00 to be funded from Chapter 429 assessments and some existing funds. As you can see, that leaves a balance of about $868,000.00 which needs to be funded through other methods. Other methods is a nice — general term. Put with that what you may. A referendum is certainly a potential. Either that or just absorbing that over time with some of the numbers that are referenced there. So of the 1.3 million, approximately $850,000.00 of that is still outstanding in terms of how that would be funded and would need some further action. The Commission was attentive in it's review of the plan and unfortunately this page was in the first packet the Council got and not this one I noticed. The copying machine was kind enough to drop this one off. There was an analysis of maintenance costs that was performed. It was a very cursory review perhaps in some regards but the Commission recognized early on that — looking at the capital costs was simply a one sided way to approach the whole situation. As you can see from some of the items that are noted on there, generally the recommendation i.s for sealcoating about once _ every 5 years for any individual trail segment. That's consistent with the programs that I think most of the cities and established trail networks are now doing. Eden Prairie I know is. Plymouth is and some of the other communities. That would result in an annual cost for the first — phase only once the whole thing was up and running of approximately $30,000.00 in simply maintenance costs due to sealcoating. Typically most of the communities during the summer months will take on additional personnel to do nothing more than patrol the trails. I mean patrol more in a maintenance sense. Do light sweeping. Clean up glass. Get sand off of it. These kind of things and note any problems that are occuring. We've labeled that as approximately a $3,000.00 expenditure based on the 1987 wage rate and that in essence is a college intern type of person who would do that kind of activity. That person obviously can't walk around City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 4 a 30 mile trail segment so there are costs in there for a vehicle of about $4,500.00 which is a pushman type thing with a little area on the back for a shovel and some minimum maintenance equipment itself. So increase maintenance just as a result of the first phase of the program which is about 30 miles of a total trail , it could run in the neighborhood of $33,000.00 to $34,000.00 per year in added maintenance costs in 1987 dollars. That's certainly another factor that has to be thrown into the whole process. In essence I guess that's a quick run through of some of the components in the plan. I think the primary reason other than the demand that we exhibited at the beginning of this evenings presentation, we're doing the trail system plan is simply to get it into effect. Whether or not it's fundable right now in total or in part, those parts are falling into place as development takes place throughout the City. It is certainly advisable and helpful for staff, the Council , the Planning Commission and Park Commission to have a plan in place so when a developer comes in they know what's reasonably expected of them for segments of the trail network. So for whatever reason, funds are not available immediately to implement this, at least there is a valued effort in doing that. With that let me conclude and I 'm prepared to answer any questions. Councilman Geving : One thing that I would like to see in addition to our trail plan that's those trails reach out into each of our park areas so we can overlay and see how the trails do connect or if they're missing segments. I think for the very first time we have something now on paper and some of the plans that I've looked at in other communities, Eagan and some of the others, they started just like this. They had to have a - plan before they could go forward because every developer came in and asked the same question. Where are the trails? What do we have to do? Of course, what we're interested in as we go along through these developments is making sure that we get the acquisition of the right-of- way. We don' t want to have to go back years from now and buy the right- of-way because that's when they get expensive. Get them when we're developing and we've been trying to do that. The Council has really been working on this, through your efforts of course. When we see a development, we're looking for trails and how it can connect with an overall system so this will be really good. How about questions? Councilman Horn : I guess the question I have is probably what Dick is going to bring up later. The comments about snowmobile trails. I think you called them a supplemental type of trail . Mark Koegler : There is reference Clark to the specialty use corridor . Councilman Horn: I think you said you didn't addressed those because they were economically unfeasible. I guess I disagree with that and I disagree with the other statement too about that at some point in time when we become more urbanized that snowmobiling will be limited only to trail arranged parks. I think that will only happen if we don't plan for it. I think when you talk in terms of acquisition expense and maintenance expense, snowmobile trails are the cheapest thing to keep up City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 5 if you plan for them and provide the corridors up front. I would like to see that as a part of this plan because I think it can happen. There's _ no reason that it shouldn' t . Councilman Boyt:__ ok; d � t b npAilg...to_x.un a snowmobile trail in an easement? — Councilman Horn : Yes . Councilman Boyt : If we gave you an easement , then you ' re set? Councilman Horn: Yes . Councilman Boyt : Snowmobiling seems like an easy enough thing to do . Councilman Horn: I think it's very simply. And it's no cost at all to — the City. As a matter of fact , Dick will tell us later that we may get some benefit from doing that. Councilman Geving: How about the width of the proposed bikepaths. Don't you think 8 feet is . . . Councilman Horn: When you look at the diagram, you don't want people — locking handlebars and things when they meet. Councilman Geving: I guess I have a hard time distinguishing between a — bikepath and pedestrian trail. I look at some of the other trails that I'm familiar with in Eden Prairie. Do they have an actual bike path or are they all the same width? Are you familiar with that Lori? — Lori Sietsema: I'm not familiar extensively with their trails but I think what this plan, one of the things that we have talked about is that along the major roads it would be 8 feet wide. In front of homes it — would be your 5 foot or 6 foot width. Carol Watson: Streets like Frontier Trail obviously we're not going to have that but for maintenance purposes and stuff, the easier it is to maintain because nobody's going to like our trail systems if they aren't properly maintained. If we can't keep them clean. Especially if they run through neighborhoods . Councilman Geving: I like this idea of running one of these little Cushman vehicles that you can drive around . — Carol Watson: Have a person who's main thrust probably in the summertime is nothing but making sure that the trails are in good repair so they're _ not a hazard. So people aren't getting hurt on them and constantly calling the City and saying guess what happened on your trail today. Councilman Horn: That's the other question I had and that is, I've talked to bicyclist in Eden Prairie and you continually seeing them der. - City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 6 riding on TH 4 right next to a bicycle path and I say why don't you use the path. They say it's too rough. The bicycle paths are too rough so they ride on the highway anyway. We don' t want to have something like that. Larry Schroers: Some oT you probably don't know me but my name is Larry Schroers and I work for Hennepin Parks and I have some experience with trails. One of the reasons you would want an 8 foot width on the trail is for additional maintenance work like clearing tree branches and that sort of thing that have to be done on pretty much a regular basis. Every couple years you have to go through the trails and in the wooded areas brush them back and a Cushman type vehicle just doesn't do the job. You need a 4 wheel drive truck and possibly a tractor and other things. If it's not 8 foot wide you're breaking off the edges or you're running in the ditch and if it happens to be wet and muddy then you're cutting a rut in with one wheel then you start getting washouts and various things like that so 8 foot is real . . . Councilman Geving: So you have to have a fairly good base underneath this too to take on a 4 wheel truck. Larry Schroers: Yes, we like to have at least 6 inches of Class V for a base and a 3 to 4 inch bituminous mat over that. Sue Boyt : I think that ' s similar to what Mark has in the specs . Councilman Johnson : It will be a lot more cost effective to put in a good surface the first time rather than go back and tear it down. Rather than do Laredo Drive down here where this is the first year in memory that it hasn ' t been dug up and redone . Councilman Geving: On Monday night we authorized a project on North Lotus Lake. Will that meet those specs? Lori Sietsema : I 'm quite certain that they will . Councilman Geving: We're going to count on you and this group when those kinds of issues come before us that they follow this spec. Lori Sietsema : Gary is aware of it and he's the one who's going to have to end up maintaining them so he's aware that it's got to be done in the quality too . Sue Boyt : It sounds like council members are pro trail. I think it would help us to hear about how you would go about financing or your ideas on financing . Councilman Geving: Well , let's get through the first part first. Jay, go ahead . Councilman Johnson: One thing, just impressions, I'd like to see more of City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 7 a nature trail on the north side of the City whether we get some with Lake Lucy or some other place. We've got Chan Ponds. We've got the little stretch there. I guess we've got access for these. They're not actually trails now but the one along the road . Sue Boyt : —That's ttr ---- -- _ Councilman Johnson: I have trouble finding it. At least going on the north side. I was going to Carver Beach you could see a trail this morning going off over some trees and stuff. It looked like some packs of kids made up. Lori Sietsema: That one is rough. They went in there and they woodchipped it but woodchips float so when it rains they float away. Councilman Johnson: I don' t know if there is any other place around Lake -. Harrison or some of these other ponds or stuff to be looking at possible nature trails as people come in to develop. We had that designated for Chan Ponds and the developer came in. We've got a lot more ponds here over on this side. Larry Schroers: We do have a nature trail proposed for North Lotus Lake Estates. Lori , don't we have a nature trail proposed for North Lotus — Lake? Lori Sietsema: Yes. It's questionable though whether we can get through _ or not because it ' s a wet area . Councilman Johnson: That's one of my concerns. Overall I'm very much in favor of the plan. I assume these ending trails up here are hitting — the Carver County Park up there and that's why they're ending is because they're connecting with their trails. I'm not sure what those are, walking through the industrial area . _ Councilman Geving : Do you mean this Phase 1 is a 5 year phase? A total 5 year phase? When you do planning though and then actually do the _ implementation of the plan, you look at some shorter alternatives like what are we going to do next year? What are we going to do the following year within that 5 year plan? Have you got that scoped out? Jim Mady: The initial 5 year has been laid out as to which particular items we want in year 1, year 2 , year 3 . Sue Boyt : Would you like us to go through that? Councilman Geving: No, that's not necessary. Just so we know that's being done. One of the dreams that I've always had, from my own personal perspective is that I'd like to see the Lake Ann trail all the way around Lake Ann. I think of Lake Harriet and some of these little lakes, people just love to get out and walk around the lake and I know this guy he'd — walk around it every morning and I probably would too. It just seems City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 8 like such a natural and it's --a -good place to start now. Did we have trouble with that trail on the east side? Carol Watson : We simply haven ' t been able to acquire the land . Councilman -Geviil' ' T , £tea' we did build, is that working? Carol Watson: Yes. It gets a tremendous amount of use daily. They park over by us so they don ' t have to pay to get into the park . Councilman Geving : But that to me would be a real objective to do something that I know we could complete and have a loop that really goes someplace and shows that we' ve completed part of the plan. Larry Schroers: You'd have unanimous support on that I'm sure if we could acquire the property. Councilman Geving: Let me pursue that for just a minute. A lot of that property belongs to Prince right on the north side, northwest side. Don't you think we've got a fairly good chance of getting some of that donated if we work at it? Carol Watson: I don't think that section is ultimately going to be a problem. When you have the one private homeowner on there who's personal delight is in knowing that he can mess up that. - Councilman Geving : Mr . Gorra would probably stick it to us . Carol Watson: Yes, he's very candid about it. He knows that we have to get through his to go all the way around . Councilman Geving : That ' s just my own personal opinion . - Jim Mady: When we set up our personal priorities in the first 5 years , the Lake Ann, the connection all the way around Lake Ann was, as I recall, that was our number one priority but we also realized that nothings probably going to be done number one but as soon as it's available we're going to do it. It's shown as the second phase but if it becomes available next week. Councilman Geving : Bill , let ' s here from you . Councilman Boyt : Are there any questions on my comments on paper here? Councilman Johnson: Actually there was one other particular thing that bugs me but I don' t think it's in the general trail plan. It' s on the particular implementation and that's Kerber Blvd.. That we're crossing Kerber Blvd. twice to get to the grade school. When the kids come play soccer, baseball whatever, riding their bicycles, we've got to do something . "`.""".'�"" .""""_ • --- . .a:_-im tip - City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 9 Larry Schroers : Didn ' t we-have an underdrive for that? MINDCouncilman Boyt: They're building it. How can you say it's not a dead issue? Councilman Johns`n: presen e a ea TETe alternative that nobody — seemed to even want to discuss yet . Councilman Geving: Talking about something similar to that, why haven't we mapped out this plan through here to get to there? We' re going to have hundreds of people up on this area, all along in here that are going to have to get to that park. I thought we had one shown. Carol Watson : We did when we had the streets but when the plan, when Chaparral West or whatever it was going to be called, when that street plan was there then we had a nice trail system running right over to Lake -- Ann Park through that trail system but the minute we lost Chaparral West, the trails when with the streets and that was the end of that but there still will have to be something with good sight distances up there because are not going to want them filtering down CR 17 . Councilman Geving: I'd like to see that on the plan. Whether there's a road there or whether there's a big outlot, we're going to get to the — park by not coming off TH 5 but CR 17. Carol Watson: But you know Eckankar isn't going to hold onto that land -- forever . Councilman Geving: I'd just like to show it on the plan. Just run a _ string across there. I 'd like to have you present this Bill . Councilman Boyt : The key point in that paragraph for me and I guess given what Jay just said , maybe we differ there but I think this is important enough to do it and fund it in one shot. I actually think that that might be smart given that the way we've set it up now , what we're building is to the north and we're saying to the folks in the south wait. — I think that's what we're saying to them. The difference between building it all and building some of it is not a great deal of money. I agree with what you said Dale about circling the lakes. I think when we get the chance to do that, that's an excellent idea. I like what I see there. It ' s a nice network. I can hardly wait until we have it. Councilman Geving : Thank you and I guess we don't have any other — questions of Mark at this time? Mark Koegler : Can I summarize real quickly the major points I'm hearing. _ Look at addressing snowmobile trails as a proponent of the plan. Look if there are areas where nature trails can be expanded. Those are relatively low cost items by the way. And then the last thing was the connection between Lake Ann Park and the Saddlebrook area. City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 10 Councilman Johnson: I just had the one other that I brought up and didn't get to finish. This should have been brought to you Mark. Have you looked at cutting through Chan Park with the existing trail on this new cul-de-sac? We've got a trail connection to the grade school right here on this_cul-de-sac. We've of a trail coming down here. We've got trails corningto ie-ie a ong t e east s de of the road. There's no topography to prevent this trail from continuing here, cutting through this park and up to here where the kids don't have to cross here, come down here, cross here, come over here, come down here and cross a third time to get to the grade school. If we can say that is safe, the Mayor can say that we can send a guard down here and a guard down here and a guard down here but it ain't going to happen and it's not going to happen for youth athletics in the evening when the kids come in. You've got some real bad soils down here. I know that. I've walked the area but it still will be feasible for kids on bicycles or kids walking to put something other than the nature trail on the short segment, come down the side of the hill. The side of the hill is going to be a slight challenge. The kids will love it and then bring it up part of Kerbers over the farm path which is a dedicated trail to us right now. We own it. Sue Boyt: The nature trail won't be woodchip so I don't know if it's been decided. Councilman Johnson: I don't want the whole area bikeable per se but the cut through here. The property is there . Sue Boyt : I 'd like to keep the kids off Kerber too . Councilman Johnson: You know what they're going to do? They're not going to cut across three street crossings, they're going to take Kerber Blvd . . Carol Watson: Like they do right now because that's the only my son can get there. Councilman Johnson: But you give them a fun little hill to go down and back through, we may be able to get them off of Kerber Blvd. and away from traffic . Councilman Geving : How would they get to the school then Jay? Councilman Johnson: We've got an asphalt path running from this cul-de- sac into the backyard of the school. Now the school has to complete a path from this end of the school property. This part of Chan Vista. It ' s already asphalted , culverts and everything is in there . Sue Boyt: We could probably share in the cost in the trail and the school property because that ' s owned by kind of both groups . Councilman Johnson: I thought somebody was already working on that. City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 11 Kids are already taking it with their bikes. They're cutting their own path through. Councilman Boyt: I think we cross Kerber for some pretty good reasons. Even though we didn't like to cross Kerber, the topography forced us to cross Kerber wzti t'Eie ra-x we pu -a ong erber and this may offer an — alternative. Councilman Geving : If there was a walkover type facility over Kerber . Councilman Johnson: They' re expensive. Councilman Geving : They' re expensive but . . . — Councilman Johnson: The only time I've ever seen them actually utilized is when there were fences to prevent the kids from just cutting through. — Councilman Geving: I see it all the time in Edina. You see it in a lot of locations . Carol Watson : On Highway 100 . Councilman Geving : Let ' s move on. Let ' s hear from Dick . '— Dick Potts: I appreciate the opportunity to talk to the Council and the Park and Rec. I'm Richard Potts and I live at 6991 Tecumseh in Chanhassen. I'm here tonight, I found out about the corridor before there was a joint meeting just in the trail map and I 'm here as past President of the Snowmobile Club and I'm currently Chairman of the Board of the Snowmobile Club. I just wanted to give you a couple thoughts I think from a snowmobilers point of view. I don't know who snowmobiles and who doesn' t and who understands what is going on in town. What's going on in the southwest area. The snowmobilers, the club in Chanhassen — is available to all volunteers. The Chanhassen club is one of seven clubs that makes up a network of southwest trails system. The southwest trail system is Eden Prairie, Chaska, Chanhassen, clubs in Minnetonka, — out in St. Boni , Victoria and we go all the way out the Luce Line. We, through the grant and aid trail system , we get our money through the DNR, the grant and aid system. They're all volunteers and we go out and seek permission from the landowners. We get written access for their — property. We work with governmental agencies like the Hennepin County Park Reserve system which we're currently operating a system through Minnewashta Park. We're apparently operating a system through Carver — Park and grooming it through there. We're out there to promote safe snowmobiling. We mark them. We maintain them and widen them out and groom them. We're currently operating two groomers. We're currently _ marking and maintaining about 90 miles of trail systems out here. We go through Chanhassen, south all the way across the river and the bridge across the river at Chaska and we can go across the TH 169 bridge to Shakopee and hook up to the Minnesota Valley State Trail system. We mark — and groom all the way up the Luce Line which is a state trail system so City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 12 like I said, we're the southwest trail system. We hook up to the northwest trail system and subsequently to Prior Lake and Dakota. Right now you can get on a snowmobile , if we get snow this winter , and you can ring the 7 county metro area. Chanhassen is an important part of that. We like to work with Doli.ce. We work with Carver County Sheriff's Department. --We want =fo promo1e safe snowmobiling. We want to collect our license money. All the money we get is from the DNR license money so we want the snowmobilers licensed. We want them to stay on the trail. Back in the old days it was like the bad motorcycle guys giving the motorcycles a bad name and then of course there's the 1% or 5%, the guys that run over everybody's backyards that wrecks it for the snowmobilers too and I know of you do and some of you maybe don't. The whole trick is that we' re trying to promote a trail system. We feel that i. f we can maintain a system , we can mark it, we have a better opportunity to keep them on it. You talk about lights and walkways, the more walkways we have the safer it's going to be for everybody that's biking and walking. The same way with snowmobiles. We've had problems over the past few years with the development occurring out here. We keep getting pushed and pushed and pushed but we still want to maintain a system out here and I brought some trail maps along . Councilman Geving : Maybe you could just show us on this major map here . Dick Potts : What we really want to know I guess , i. f we could work with the Council or work with the Park and Rec for an overall plan to see if we can get some of these trails that may or may not have been in our current plan into a multi-use plan. You're not going to bike on all of them in the wintertime. We operate a system right now that comes into Chanhassen, right through the downtown area, moves right out of Chan Lawn Sports. We've got two rooms there. Comes down to the intersection of TH 5 and Powers Blvd.. Goes on the north side of TH 5, through Lake Ann Park. We'd like to go around in here but we can't there either Dale. We currently go across Lake Ann. We currently have permission. We mark and maintain a system through here and north along up to a point about in here and it winds through over to CR 17 and onto the Minnewashta Park system. Across Minnewashta, north up to the Fire Station up there. We go down TH 7 to hit the railroad bed. The railroad bed we mark and maintain out to Victoria. We also mark and maintain a system that goes through the Business Park. It goes all the way down CR 17 to Chaska. There's another route that comes around this way on the north side of Lake Susan. There's a sewer easement there we ride. Behind the Legion, across from Rice Marsh Lake right down through here and then into the Eden Prairie trail system. Councilman. Johnson: It'd be a good place for a nature trail in the summer . Dick Potts: Absolutely. We don't ride there in the summer. There's been all kinds of articles that the DNR has put out about how many inches of snow you can run over. You need 4 to 6 inches of snow... Basically we're heading for the downtown area. We've got one run that ends around City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 13 inme Lake Ann and across to Minnewashta this way. Another run that goes down CR 17 , over CR 18 this way and down CR 17 all the way down to Chaska . — Councilman Johnson : You ' re running basically in the road ditches . Dick Pots: ere running _ a roa x c south. We keep winding around through the Business Park. We used to go through the middle of the Business Park and now when the big bad wolf just went in, we run around the corner of that. So we're having problems up in this area with the _ development starting to the south of Prince. We're having trouble getting across there. We're considering moving our trail system around in this area. We've had some troubles over there the last few years. _ Another alternate we've got is down TH 5. We've got a bridge to construct over this creek right here. Get the groomers across there and we've got to clear that right-of-way out of there which is not a problem. Over across Galpin Blvd. and we've got permission from the landowners and — permission from NSP to run an easement north along the power lines. There's problems associated with that though. We've got some problems over here right across from Prince so I guess what I 'm trying to tell you — is if you could , in your trail system , put easements in here whether they are required as trail easements, if you don't have any problem with a multi-use plan , give us an opportunity to use that trail system. Councilman Johnson: If you put asphalt down, it's going to melt snow off and stuff and it won ' t be a good trail . Larry Schroers: We've been doing experimentation with that for the last two years and when you've got adequate snowfall and if the groomer packs it, once it's packed , it doesn' t melt any faster there than it melts _ anywhere else. We've been running cross country ski trails and snowmobile trails right on top of it with real good luck. Provided we have adequate snow. That's the key to the whole thing. If we don't have enough snow you can't run anywhere. Until you get enough snow, you can — go almost anywhere. Councilman Johnson: In looking at the cross country ski trails, I would _ like to personally keep them separate from the snowmobilers . Dick Potts : You ' re absolutely right . Councilman Johnson: It's kind of tough on the shins to get nailed by a snowmobiler . Dick Potts : We've got the same problem. Through Minnewashta. Minnewashta Park maintains a ski system. We maintain a snowmobile system through there. Carver Park is the same thing. We've got a couple trails that come very close together . Larry Schroers: I know where that is. That's right along the dike there. City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting -' October 7 , 1987 - Page 14 Dick Potts : Yes, we've -gat"a-problem on the dike there. We've got to get that out of there. We rope it off. There is a problem. You can't run them on the same trail systems. The skiers lose everytime. We've got two groomers. If you're interested we can make the city a deal and get into , all we do is take ou cn Q$ ,,,oment and all we have to do is cut enough here to' cat your'-'ski- trails for your cross country ski trails. Same equipment. Councilman Boyt : I have a comment for you. I think if you work with Mark, and you probably should have been doing this, seek those easements especially where you already have them. Maybe we can see if we can' t do something to formalize it before development comes in. It sounds like you have excellent relationships with many of the property owners and that would help us get this underway. I personally, althouch I think in the summertime there would be alternate uses for that trail , I would really encourage to stick to a single purpose and that would be snowmobiles. I think that would eliminate a lot of future problems for us. In the winter the trails you have there would be dedicated to snowmobiles. As a cross country skier , I know firsthand that the two aren't real compatible. Yet I know that the best way to allow for snowmobile use in Chanhassen is to have a trail system. I really support your effort. Councilman Horn: I think the key there too is the fact that all you really need is an easement. It takes no maintenance and there's no acquisition cost for you to use it . Councilman Geving : I think the key to getting an easement and keeping it is goodwill. You've created it before and as long as there isn't any problem. Dick Potts: So long as the club is around we'll still mark that. We'll still maintain that. As far as compatibility, the only non-compatibility is cross country skiing. There are a lot of cross country skiers along - these trails right now. Just because we groom them. You walk down here and go around the corner, they're on a snowmobile trail and there are signs that say no motorized vehicles except snowmobiles, etc., etc.. The Luce Line is a typical example and I 'm sure the Park systems has got a lot of them, it' s a bicycle and walkway in the summer . Larry Schroers: Multi-use makes just all kinds of sense because of the '- work and expense involved in developing and maintaing a trail , you want to get the most use out of it that you can and I don' t see a problem with running over parts of our bike trail in the wintertime for snowmobiling. - Where it runs in line with the rest of our trail system and also there are certainly enough other parts of the trail where we can mark it for cross country skiing , is really just a matter of signage. Councilman Geving : Any other comments for Dick? City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - page 15 Jim Mady: On the trails, 'do -you have a time when they're open and closed? Dick Potts : No . Jim MadMaciSfriFirrarrircrigurrer out , if we put up a trail easement along a development and you've got guys running their snowmobiles at midnight, we've got real problems. You're going to have phones ringing off here . Sue Boyt: Chanhassen is one of the only cities that doesn't have a curfew set for snowmobiles . All the other cities have curfews set. Dick Potts: The City of Chaska is one example, as far as the southwest trail system. You can't ride the outskirts of Chaska after 10:00. Once you leave the trail system, it's the closest direct route from the trail to your house. So Chaska has a snowmobile ordinance. I think Victoria has an ordinance . Eden Prairie has an ordinance . Jim Mady: The only other thing I wanted to mention and make sure we have an understanding, some of the trails we've got on there, in the winter will be plowed for runners because there area lot of runners who run all year long and they will be running on the trail so we've got to realize that those people are going to be out there also. Councilman Geving: Okay, I think Dick made his point and I think the message is there . Jeff Hanson: I represent Southwest Trail and I'm the current Vice President this year and I also represent Chanhassen Lawn and Sports. Being a businessman in this town and knowing what people are using the trails along here for, as far as the Southwest Trails is concerned, a lot of developments are not aware of the fact that during trail acquisition, such that you're talking about now, if you were to set aside hiking trails or bicycle trails , our money that we get in a grant can go towards those acquisition fees. As a matter of fact, this year we've got $25,000.00 to draw on for our trail maintenance and that can go for snowmobile, cross country ski , hiking, as long as that trail is to be used in the wintertime for snowmobiles so there is another fund there for you to draw on. Councilman Geving : That ' s good for Lori to know. Jeff Hanson: If we have a year in advance time to promote to know what's going on through the DNR, through the grant aid system, we can apply for those trails . Councilman Johnson: Outside of the snowmobiling, there may be some other funds the DNR has with a grant in kind . Jeff Hanson: Our purpose is to maintain these snowmobile trails. City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 16 Whether it's grooming it-;- to maintain our machinery, to buy land , to buy buildings for our equipment, it ' s for anything we can use it for . Dick Potts : Using it in the summer doesn ' t create a problem. Jeff Hanson: No, it. doesn't' create one problem at all. As long as that trail can be used for snowmobiling, that's the only stipulation. Shorewood is a good example. That was being closed down and you talk about an ordinance and you talk about fighting with people. We did a sound test, and I don't have the test results with me but none of the machines that were tested were anything louder than a lawn mower . Councilman Horn: In answer to Jay's question about other sources, what you have to look at is there's got to be a revenue source. You license snowmobiles. Some places are licensing cross country skiers. That's a revenue source that you get so you won't get any activity, sponsoring activity that isn ' t licensed somehow. Carol Watson : So there are funds available so it can come from somewhere. Jeff Hanson: Plus you're bringing other people in to Chanhassen. Snowmobilers come out of the metro area, unload the machines at Filly's or our store or down at the . Legion, you ' re bringing people here . Councilman Geving: Okay, I think we're going to move on and I thank you very much for coming. Let's move on to the third item in the agenda which is the 1988 capital improvement program. Lori , do you want to start out with this? Lori Sietsema: In your packet I included what the Park and Recreation Commission is recommending for the capital improvement program for park development i.n 1988. I also included the Minutes of the discussion of this so you had an idea of where we were coming from. Do you want me to run through it? Everybody has read it. I think just go around with comments starting with the City Council . Councilman Geving: Before we do that, I'm under the impression that there was $100,000.00 in the budget. Is that correct? For park development this year. Isn't that right Don? Isn' t there approximately $100, 000. 00 in the Park Improvement Program for 1988? Don Ashworth: The program as recommended by the Park Commission has been included in the 1988 budget . Councilman Geving : Okay, whatever the number is, it's there. Now the individual pieces of that budget is what we're expecting this group to come to the Council and give us an idea of what you're priorities are going to be, right? That's really what we're talking about but the budget is there. It ' s set . We approved it tonight . City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - page 18 Carol Watson : We can get permission from the police to have a party and use off street parking . — Councilman Johnson: If they called and asked Frank was unaware of it. He just happened to be there at the same time that I happened to be there . — Councilman Geving: Okay, let's stay with this now. Comments from any of the Council members. — Councilman Johnson: Grass for the infield is one of the Lake Ann park so we can have some Little League there. We are trying to establish a _ Little League this coming year, or Little League type. Not a sanctioned Little League and one of the things that everybody is saying is a Little League quality pitcher mound and grass in the infield . Councilman Geving : The only diamond that would fit is the first one. Lori Sietsema: No, Little League is small. The ideal field out at Lake — Ann right now would be Field 3 , the one that ' s closest to the lake. Councilman Geving: How does the Park and Rec people feel about that suggestion? — Jim Mady: Unfortunately that field gets so much use with all the softball teams and they're not compatible uses. You can't play softball on a Little League field. Softball would wreck it and the fences are too short. It just wouldn ' t work. Councilman Johnson: We take care of our adults very well. What are we going to do for our 5th and 6th graders? Sue Boyt: Next year they're going to play at Lake Ann on a non- sanctioned field as Little League and we're hoping that between now and two years from now we acquire some property to build some Little League baseball diamonds on. — Jim Mady: One of the things we could do if we do expand Lake Ann now , do the grading, we could put in, we could upgrade 1 to a Babe Ruth field by putting grass in the infield and fixing up the infield bases . — Sue Boyt: They would have to have dugouts . Curt Robinson: We're concerned about the same thing Jay and that's one of the reasons I 'm on the Park and Rec Commission is because I complained to Lori about having to run 10 miles to have my kid play baseball and soccer and she said why don't you get on the Park and Rec Commission and do something about it . Jim Mady: If we expand Lake Ann , then we can make the field next to the — proposed Babe Ruth field a sanctioned Little League field. Then we have City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 19 two other fields . Councilman Geving : This is how I feel about this and it involves a lot of what you're talking about. We own the existing 20 acres of undeveloped Lake Ann Park now for 3 years I believe. 3 or 4 years. It would make sense to me, this year , if we could get a fairly good estimate and maybe Mark would help us on this , get a very good idea of what it would take to come in with leveling equipment, heavy duty equipment, to level off the site the way you have sketched it Mark. I'm sure you must have figures somewhere of what that grading dollar is . Mark Koegler : We have already done that. I don't have it on the tip of my tongue but we do have a grading plan for expansion of the park . Councilman Geving : Is it a lot of money? Carol Watson: Yes . Lori Sietsema : $300,000. 00 to $500 , 000. 00. Councilman Geving : Just for grading? Carol Watson : Just grading . Councilman Horn : As I recall , we were going to try to work it with part of the development. Councilman Geving : That's what our plan was but the developer went away and two or three times we attempted to do that. It just kind of died. Maybe we can' t look at the whole picture. Maybe we can take a look at a piece of it. Sue Boyt : We ' ve looked at that too haven ' t we? Carol Watson: I'll bet in the next 12 months there will be developer there. When you have $500,000.00 assessments, you can't just sit on it and say isn't this a pretty pasture to grow corn in. Something's going to happen and it ' s going to happen soon. Councilman Geving: The only problem is when we get into the development mode, we ' re talking 2 or 3 years from now. We really are. Don Ashworth: I wouldn't count on that occurring. They called and said, how was it they phrased it. Would it be alright if we bring in the $500, 000. 00 in cash on Friday? Lori Sietsema : They' re working on getting it all fenced . Councilman Geving: I have a hard time believing that it can't be graded and put into some sort of ball diamond. I just can't believe that can't be done reasonable. I don ' t know why. City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 20 Jim Mady: I would love to see this put in in a private park. To get the money to build that and a couple other park projects... There's a couple other projects that we've addressed the Commission need to be looked at including putting a park in south and the trail plan and just tie it all together . Councilman Johnson : I think we need to grab that parkland on the south side before it gets developed . Councilman Geving : Don, why don' t you give us some input on it? Don Ashworth: We looked at the trail plan and we're down to a figure of approximately $800,000.00. We do have $100,000.00 in reserve for future development at Lake Ann park. You're looking at $300,000.00 to $500,000.00 expense. By combining the trails and Lake Ann, I did check with our attorneys and verified that that can be one question. We would — be at a level of approximately 1 Million Dollars between the trail system and improving Lake Ann. I think that that is about the size of a package. In other words, as a question itself which could be very _ pallable to the voters. I'm wondering if for Park Commission members, City Council has already heard so maybe you would rather me do this another night. Councilman Geving : No , go ahead . Don Ashworth: I could just briefly go through the funding techniques that we're looking to for our major facilities including trails and the park system. City Council reviewed a number of facilities approximatey two weeks ago. We have a community facility committee. They're working on a community center right now. We' re hoping that that can come in somewhere in the area of 2 1/2 to 3 million dollars. Fire Department has been working over the course of the last four years and they have developed now a plan that they would like to see completed as an addition onto the Fire Station. That has a cost factor of roughly 1 million dollars. If we look to a combined trail and expansion onto Lake Ann Park, and again that total figure then being about 1 million dollars, you — would literally be presenting all three of those questions to the voters at the end of this year. Potentially it could be four. Potentially the community center at 1.5 million and an ice arena an 1.5 million separating those two issues . Councilman Geving : That seems to make some sense to me. Don Ashworth: But in either case you're talking about roughly 5 million dollars. I think for anyone in the community, that has to be a figure that's scary. The fact is that the City has a maximum limitation of _ approximately 3 million dollars so if you present all of the issues, having a cost factor of 5 million and the citizens vote for all of them , the most you can sell in bonds currently would be 3 million dollars. The council, looking at this said, maybe that's not a bad idea. Why not — present it to the voters in exactly that fashion. Tell them that this is City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7, 1987 - Page 21 s a 3 to 5 year plan and that if they do vote for all of them , it would appear as though that we could carry out the construction of all four facilities. ...on that property when it comes to January 1st of 1988. The first time there will be any value on that piece of property is going to be January 1, 1989 for collection in 1990 so when we plot this value valuation line in here, we are not plotting something that is hypothetical. We're taking only actual construction up to, this went back through the end of August so we have seen some additional construction that could actually be plugged in here but it's only actual construction. We then flatten that out for what might be the future years. If you now look at the difference between our new valuation line and also as a part of this study what we did is we went back and measured each one of these various debt issues to see how well they were doing in comparison to the original projections. In every case we found that those funds were doing better than had originally been anticipated. So in other words, instead of requiring a debt payment of roughly $600,000.00 in the year 1993, in fact when we get into the year 1994, the actual debt payment at that point in time will be $470,000.00 to $480,000.00. There's been that much improvement in each one of those funds. The average is $230,000.00 per year. That will support a bond issue of roughly 2 1/2 to 3 million dollars. The bottom line out of all of this is that by restructuring the city's existing debt, in comparison to actual known new valuation, we're going to be into a position of telling the voters that there will not be any tax impact for this proposed referendum. There's no way we can exceed the 3 million dollar limitation. So the voters are reasonably assured that the city in fact will not create a property tax increase as a part of this package we're proposing. Similarly, our limitation would be 3 million for this year but we're anticipating that, as a part of this, that we would be able to bring on an additional million dollars in debt capacity each year for the next two year period of time. So that means that in a way you would actually structured this would be saying to the voters that if they would vote for this and tell us which priorities they choose , that we would be in a position to sell bonds at a level of approximately 2 1/2 to 3 million dollars in 1988. That we would anticipate a secondary sell during the timeframe of 1990 to 1991 for an additional million dollars. That we anticipate a third bond issue during the timeframe of 1991 to 1993, a little overlap in there for the last million dollars. If we do not get the valuation for that secondary facility, whatever it may be, we'll be back in the same position. State law will kick back in and will not allow us to sell the bonds for that second million dollars or the third million dollars. Again, you're reasonably protecting the voters. One of the things that we discussed upstairs, and this was part of the budgetary portion, was recognition that the City does have a relatively high tax base right now. In going back to the community and explaining these options, one of the options will have to be if they choose to deny all of the facilities, there is the ability to reduce property taxes as a result of really this chart. Our finding. That in fact the reduction can occur of approximately $230,000.00. The valuation levels currently is at 70 million and we're anticipating over the next two years it will rise to 80 million and 90 million. That's for assessed City Council/Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 7 , 1987 - Page 22 value so that means each mil reduces today $70,000.00. In two years it will produce $90,000.00 so in essence this $230,000.00 represents approximately 3 mils which You can equate to approximately 3%. So if you feel that your property taxes are very exorbinate, you do not need any of these facilities, then you should vote no and as a result of that, you _ reasonably should be able to see your property taxes reduced by 3% of your bottom line property tax bill as it is today. So if it's $2,000.00, you can expect a $60.00 reduction by voting against any and all of the facilities . — Councilman Geving : Any questions of Don? Councilman Johnson: A comment. All of this is proposed. There has not been a vote that we are absolutely going to have a referendum and all these things are going to go before the voters as it was said in several newspapers a few weeks ago when this kind of stuff was first presented to — Council. It came off as this is going to happen. We're going to build and we're going to have a referendum for this. We're in the very early planning stages of this whole thing and obviously I'm saying that for -- Mary' s purpose. Councilman Geving: But Jay is absolutely right. We are playing with — about four pieces of a major puzzle here and a million dollars is going on the table here for the Park and Rec is something that a lot of people would vote for. A lot of indication came back from the survey that people want trails but will they want trails over an ice arena or will — they want trails over the sports complex or the fire station? Those are the issues and in order to be real fair , at least this is my feeling and I don't know how the rest of the council feels, I think that every — citizen has a right to hear and vote on each of those four items. The other option would be for the Council to say well , if we're only got 3 million dollars, we'll pick and choose and give the voters a chance for the two items or three items that we want them to vote yes or no on. We're not going to do that. At least that's my opinion. I would prefer to have them see all four of them and let the voters decide back to us. I think that's the fair way to do it. If it all comes back and they say — I want the fire station and I want the trails, then fine. That's the way we go . The sports complex and the ice arena is another time. Councilman Horn: The only disadvantage of having a referendum is it will cost money to have a referendum but once you have one, you can put as many items on it as you want and it costs very little more to add. Carol Watson : We can cover , if we take the time to work it out , we can cover everything we will need in one referendum and it will be worth the price to know again what people want . — Councilman Horn: We already know what they wanted in the poll but now we ' re going to say. . . — Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 27, 1987 - Page 19 Schroers moved, Watson seconded to table the item referring to ice rinks at City Center Park until next meeting. All voted in favor and motion _ carried . Curt Robinson: Do we need to act on all the others, like flooding on late Friday night or Saturday and walkways in front? Lori Sietsema: Why don't you just table the whole thing and I'll come back and tell you exactly what I know from the pop machine guy and the —. candy vendor and the little snack box and I'll have the whole thing back for you. COMMISSION PRESENTATIONS : REFERENDUM CONSIDERATION, JIM MADY. Jim Mady: I just wanted to mention a couple things on here. Within the — next couple of months the City Council is going to be requested to take a look at a referendum sometime probably at the end of February. Possibly early March but if we were to get anything that we want outside of the -. things that are being proposed that have nothing to do with us outside of the trail plan. There are some other things that I feel we need to ask for and if we don't ask for them, they're not going to end up on the referendum. I just want to make sure that everything I'm looking for is proposed to the Council and let them do what they want. I put on Lake Ann expansion and I'm not sure if half a million dollars is enough but to me what we need to do is put the soccer field in the front, we need to -- get the access, get sufficient parking for the whole park and I believe that we need three more ballfields and until we can get another park developed for Little League play, it makes more sense to me to upgrade the current baseball fields into a Little League field. It's not going to cost a lot. It's basically a grass infield and improving the dugout situation and building one of the new ballfields, making that into a Little League park which again is basically a softball field but putting — a fence in. Putting a grass infield in. That would be sufficient to handle both Little League and Babe Ruth in the community. Then we have two more softball fields, adequate parking and putting the trail in — through there. I'm not sure about lighting additional fields. To my understanding that's more money than we have. I'm not sure what they cost . Lori Sietsema : It ' s about $65 , 000. 00 to do one field . Jim Mady: If we do two more fields I don' t believe we need to do anymore — fields at this time . Sue Boyt : I think we talked about lighting the soccer fields didn ' t we? Lori Sietsema : I don't think we talked about it here but you might want to include that so if we do have fall soccer . �.dar.�.► _ _ •..s.siu ti...H.c...a..v-sr- Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 27, 1987 - Page 20 — Jim Mady: After the 10th of October you can't play past quarter to 7:00. It's pretty hard to get anything done. -You can't get in a practice so I think that's important to get that done. I also would like to see us ask that the trail plan_ be_,.puL,i„n.. fi _st_phase - trail plan. I threw _ $800,000.00 at it because I couldn't find my notes. Looking back I see it's about $890,000.00 so maybe it should be $900,000.00. I believe that's what we need to ask the Council to include that on a referendum. I also want to check on first phase trail plan, I think we told Mark but I don't remember if it's in there or not, the section along Frontier Trail is supposed to be off-street. I want to make sure that's in those numbers . Lori Sietsema : Yes . Jim Mady: Okay, then on sighting and acquiring parkland, I would like to — see us not wait for development to gain us the parkland we' re looking for. In the southern area of the city that's not going to be developed for I'm not sure when. I'd like to see us get that parkland now when we can get it. Let's get what we need, what we want instead of hoping and praying that we get something else someday. I think in the southern area it would be nice to get us 10 to 15 acres for active play use being 3 to 4 baseball diamonds, get the soccer fields in there, totlot area. It would actually become a community park in the southern area. Then set aside 35 to 40 maybe 50 acres as a natural area. ...right along Bluff Creek so people can go from that nature area through the Bluff Creek draw all the way down to the Minnesota River which is I 'm not sure how many acres down there but it's all public land. It could go from our area, along our nature trail along Bluff Creek down into the Minnesota Valley Nature Area would be a great source to the community. Lori Sietsema: Can I comment on your suggestion about acquiring the land? I know if we go out and we buy it up right now we' ll be sure that we have it but that means we're spending money on something that we don' t need for 5 to 10 years. I don't know if you have ever looked at the 1991 Land Use Plans that's in your Comp Plan. It identifies the different — areas and it shows potential parkland. What I would suggest that we do, instead of going out and buying it because it costs us money to have something tied up in something that we're not using. Like on this one, _ it has Lake St. Joe all the way around it identified as potential parkland. The person who owns that land right now can not buy it without the city signing off on it and saying we don't want it. They can not sell it. They can not develop it. We have to sign off on that first. It — was all the way around Lake Ann and when they sold that property to Prince they came in here and they asked us, do you want to buy it? It's going to cost x amount of dollars and we said no. We did do that within the last 3 1/2 years. This Commission made that recommendation and the City Council signed off on that. So those kinds of things, they have to come to us if it's earmarked on there. What I would say is we identify _ exactly maybe a couple different areas so that if it's developed in two years and we still don't need it, we'll have something to fall back on. But rather than going out and spending the money today when we have other Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 27 , 1987 - Page 21 things that are pressing. The Fire Department needs to be expanded too and if we could spend that money on things that are more pressing , needed — right today and use our future dollars for that future acquisition . Jim Mady: The problem with that is , to acquire the amount of land that — we're asking for is going to require a referendum. We don't have $400,000.00 to go, once that piece of land comes up 6 months from now, 40 acres came up and the guy wanted to sell off his 200 acre parcel and we wanted the 40, we couldn' t buy it. We don' t have the money to do it. Sue Boyt : If we wait for 5 years property is going to increase in value . — Lori Sietsema: I know when we purchased the expanded area at Lake Ann, we borrowed that money and we paid it off early. I don' t know that we can' t do that in the future. Larry Schroers: If we could identify a park deficient area right now, north of that Lake St. Joe area that could be an active play area for the existing residents that are already there who don't have a place, —something like that that we could earmark and look at acquiring so we could get something going in the near future because we are , at the present time, deficient in that area and to me that would be practical . Lori Sietsema: I think we should look at the whole city and earmark anything that we might potentially want. Even if it's a pie in the sky dream. There are some pie in the sky dreams on this but those people —still have to come back to us to see if we want it before they can do anything with it because that ' s part of the Comprehensive Plan . —Jim Mady: My biggest problem is, in the southern area there's not a lot of large landowners down there anymore. There are smaller chunks. I'd like to see us get it now. Let's not wait. Let's not hope that we can do something 5 years from now because if we hope we can do something 5 years from now, we won't be able to do it. I keep looking back at what the City of Minneapolis did 100 years ago , they got yelled and screamed at and some of those guys had their lives threatened, people lost their —jobs but they still got the best park system in the United States probably and we have that opportunity to do it on a smaller scale and I don't see us doing it on a smaller scale now. The voters may shoot us —down and we won't get any of it but at least we have the opportunity of trying to do it now because we can always put it on the land use and say that's what we want. But if we don't try this now, we never will be able to try this because the way it looks now, the amount of things that are `going to go to the voters in the referendum, if the Council pushes it all through, this could have more things in than we're going to have money for in the total 5 years so if in 3 years down the road we want to look —at something again, we're not going to be able to go to the voters because they've already used up. Two years down the road we're going to be stuck . +`+nse—r - -- .�. - ... Park and Rec Commission Meeting October 27, 1987 - Page 22 — Mike Lynch: I agree with Jim. It only costs a nickle to ask. If you — get the money on a referendum for a specific purpose and the people will vote for it, I don't see a reason against going ahead and buying the property and letting-.-i n-.-tzest ��.... Jim Mady moved, Mike Lynch seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission forward Jim Mady's memo to the Council which included Lake Ann — expansion, Phase 1 of the trail plan, sighting and acquiring of parkland. All voted in favor and motion carried. Mady moved, Robinson seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and motion carried . The meeting was adjourned. Submitted by Lori Sietsema Park and Recreation Coordinator — Prepared by Nann Opheim C I TY o f CHANHAENG CHANHASSEN \ k 1 • - 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Director /3 /37 DATE: December 3 , 1987 -� SUBJ: Fire Department Referendum l-217.,i2_� Four years ago there was a recognized need for additional space at the Central Fire Station on Laredo Drive . Because of dif- - fering priorities and capital improvement timetables, the Fire Department Building Committee was asked to wait. In May of this year, the go ahead for the Building Committee to meet with the architect was obtained. At that time, an expansion to the apparatus area was the only addition anticipated, costing in the neighborhood of $300 , 000 . The question now is "How did we go from that to an expansion costing more than three times as much?" - The answer is not simple and involves many complex and sometimes competing issues . When the original concept of additional apparatus space was discussed four ( 4 ) years ago, it was reflecting a present need. Since that time, the City has seen tremendous growth which has necessitated taking a closer look at the Fire Department' s needs then , its present needs , and its future needs . As was mentioned previously, the Fire Department needs four years ago appeared to be space, especially in the apparatus bays . There was not ade- - quate space to accommodate the Fire Department vehicles and equipment presently on hand. Consequently, emergency response vehicles were forced to be stacked in an unsafe and cramped manner. This necessitated hazardous vehicle movements during emergency call outs when speed ( response time) was critical . _ At the present time, these needs are still as critical as they were four years ago. In addition, two events during this last summer suggested some other needs . The first event occurred in the beginning of July when the Fire Chief, 1st Assistant Fire Chief , and the Public Safety Director attended a two day weekend seminar on recruiting , training, and maintaining volunteer fire- fighters . The seminar was instructed by Jack W. Snook, a nationally recognized expert in the field of volunteer firefighters . Mr . Don Ashworth December 3 , 1987 — Page 2 Mr. Snook pointed out that the best value in municipal government is the volunteer fire department. The City is reaping a tremen- dous service for what little remuneration is received by its mem- _ bers . Typically, the volunteer firefighter is recruited from the ranks of the blue collar worker and Chanhassen ' s growth is occurring in the white collar area. Consequently, recruitment efforts must be geared toward the white collar members of the — community. The suggested methods toward white collar recruitment includes providing challenges, recognition, and rewards . Good equipment, facilities, and training are the most important deter- minants of high morale and subsequently a dedicated volunteer force. The second event occurred on July 23rd, during the "storm of the century" . During the course of the storm and the evening, it became readily apparent that the Chanhassen municipal facilities were inadequate to handle a relatively simple, but intense — natural disaster. These two events provided fuel for concept designs and subsequent schematic additions to the original bay expansion that was four years old. Throughout the summer, as the Fire Station addition and remo- deling began evolving, the concept of a multi-faceted facility took form. These uses include civil defense, emergency opera- tions center, command post, rescue coordination, physical fit- ness, emergency shelter , and meeting rooms , just to name a few. The needs were apparent, but how to transform these needs into an — economically feasible, albeit adequate, design were complex. In a paid fire department, employees are on hand at the fire station 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This is seen as critical for _ response times . Although a volunteer fire department does not have the luxury of 24 hour staffing, response times still remain crucial . Some of the methods that volunteer fire departments commonly employ to ensure quick response are incentives by which — members are attracted to the station during their spare time. These include pool tables, ping-pong tables, cable tv' s with movie channels, kitchen facilities, sleeping quarters, excercise — work-out rooms, and the list goes on. All these are concepts that were looked at in the design of the fire station. It was also designed to meet the perceived needs of the community ten years or longer into the future, recognizing a service population — of approximately 13, 000 to 15 , 000 . The initial concept was presented to the Council on September 21, — 1987 , to include the cost estimates for the construction at $900 , 000 . 00 . It appeared to be relatively well received by the Council, except for comments concerning the raquetball court. On November 30 , 1987 , the Fire Department members met to discuss the design . They voted to go with the design as originally pre- sented to the Council . In deference to the Council ' s concerns; — Mr. Don Ashworth December 3 , 1987 Page 3 however, an alternate design was suggested, eliminating the rac- quetball court. If the Council voices strong objection to the racquetball court, then the alternate design could be looked at keeping in mind that no cost savings may be realized. The argu- ments in favor of the racquetball court appear to be convincing: 1 . The ability for an amenity such as the racquetball court to a) attract ( recruit) , and b) retain members to the volunteer Fire Department. 2 . The racquetball court' s relatively low cost compared with the entire cost of the project ( less than 4 . 5% ) . 3 . The designed ability for the court to be converted to office/storage space at some point in the future if it is needed. 4 . Use of facility open to all city employees . 5 . Physical fitness guidelines to comply with anticipated OSHA mandates and liability concerns . 6 . An attraction for rescue/fire personnel to be on premises when the alarm is sounded. 7 . Emergency shelter/storage. Hopefully, there is more than adequate justification for the design as presented, including the racquetball court. The three ( 3 ) critical areas as measued by past, present, and future needs are 1 ) apparatus space, 2 ) command station/emergency operations center, and 3 ) exercise aerobic area . The fire station remo- - deling is designed to meet these needs ten years into the future and beyond. Aerial Platform Truck: In a memo from Jim Castleberry to Don Ashworth dated June 5 , 1984 , it was suggested that an aerial platform truck may be needed in 1989 , depending on Chanhassen ' s industrial growth. The industrial growth is here and very much on the horizon. Can the City use an aerial platform truck at present and is the need there for one? The answer to both these questions is yes . To paraphrase from the 1984 memo, it has been well documented that an aerial fire apparatus enhances the attack capabilities of the Fire Department. An aerial platform truck can place fire- - fighters on the top of roofs and can direct master streams into large areas in a short period of time. To fight a large fire from a safe distance is crucial for safety and the aerial plat- - form allows for that capability. An aerial would prove valuable in fire suppression needs for Chanhassen apartment complexes and multi-family units. Mr . Don Ashworth December 3 , 1987 Page 4 In rescue operations alone, an aerial platform truck could prove its worth with its extended reach capabilities . All things considered (mutual aid and sprinkler systems ) , an aerial platform truck is a needed piece of apparatus that the City of Chanhassen cannot long be without. Public Safety uses for an aerial truck are numerous and varied. The cost for an aerial platform truck is $450, 000. 00 with a two year lead time antici- pated. The total Fire Department package approximates $1 , 500, 000, fulfilling a present need and representing an investment in the future for the City of Chanhassen. — Manager ' s Comments: This office fully endorses the design con- cept as presented. I doubt that we will be able to fund an — aerial truck from the operating budget. The space needs have been evident for a number of years and the incident this last summer points out a real need for a command/emergency operation — center . In a time of initial chaos following a large emergency, a truly coordinated command and dispatch function is needed. The Department appears to believe that the community will support the _ fire station addition including the racquetball court. I would recommend that they be given the opportunity to see if they are right. os CORPORATION J.NICHOLAS RUEHL,AIA BERTIL E. HAGLUND,AIA CHANHASSEN CENTRAL FIRE STATION 87146 CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA SEPTEMBER 24, 1987 PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE GENERAL: Site Work 59,000 Demolition 12,183 Concrete 24,405 Masonry 134.640 Metals 51,360 Carpentry 10,000 Thermal & Moisture 41,010 Doors &Windows 43,302 Finishes 47,588 Specialties 12,400 Special Construction 28,000 SUB TOTAL - 463,888 MECHANICAL: HVAC 51,900 Plumbing 50,300 Sprinkler 22,800 SUB TOTAL 125,000 ELECTRICAL: Electrical 53,000 Site 7,000 Emergency Generator 35,000 TOTAL 95,000 SUB TOTAL 683.888 G. C. OH & Profit (15%) & General Conditions 102,582 SUB TOTAL 786,470 Contingency(5%) 39,323 ARCHITECTS - SPACE PLANNERS • INTERIOR DESIGNERS 684 EXCELSIOR BOULEVARD • SUITE ONE • EXCELSIOR, MINNESOTA 55331 • (612) 474-3291 Eos CORPORATION SUB TOTAL 825,793 Architectural/Engineering (9.25%) 76,387 TOTAL 902,180 Additional Costs: Equipment and furniture Soil Testing Reproduction and Printing Kitchen Appliances Deletions A. Racquetball Court: walls, floors, ceiling structure, finishes, mech., and elec.. 61,200 B. Raquetball Court: finishes and elec. .39,600 C.Skyl ights 42,200 _ Eos CORPORATION J. NICHOLAS RUEHL,AIA BERTIL E. HAGLUNO,AIA September 28, 1987 Mr. Jim Chaffee, Director of Public Safety City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive PO Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Jim: Enclosed please find our revised preliminary estimate for the proposed Chanhassen Central Fire Station, Chanhassen, MN. I have incorporated the previous additional cost items into our original estimate. Also I have indicated the line Item deletions for the racquetball court area and skylights. As per our previous conversation, the possible re-design of the lower level which would involve changing the racquetball court into another type of use could push the occupant over 100 people which would then require an elevator for handicapped access. If you have any questions, please call. Sincerely, ;— Jack Jack Andekson, AIA JA:jc Enclosure • SEP 2 9 1987 CITY OF CHANHASSEN ARCHITECTS • SPACE PLANNERS • INTERIOR DESIGNERS 684 EXCELSIOR BOULEVARD • SUITE ONE • EXCELSIOR, MINNESOTA 55331 • (612) 474-3291 get.. — C ITY O F P.C. DATE: Nov. 18, 1987 \ i ( ClIANIIASSZN C.C. DATE: Dec. 7 , 1987 �I r CASE NO: 87-1 Prepared by: Dacy/v STAFF REPORT PROPOSAL: Consideration of Potential Zoning Ordinance Amendment To Create a Rural Industrial District Z - a V LOCATION: Northwest Corner of the Intersection of Co. Rd. 18 — and Co. Rd. 117 (Lyman and Galpin Boulevards ) Cl. u-. APPLICANT: Merle Volk — Q 135 Mound Avenue Tonka Bay, MN 55331 PRESENT ZONING: A-2 , Agricultural Estates ACREAGE: 40 acres DENSITY: :/1-"8 7 ADJACENT ZONING 7 AND LAND USE: N- A-2 ; large lot residentialP7 - S- A-2 ; Holasek Greenhouse QE- A-2 ; large lot residential QW- Chaska Industrial Park W WATER AND SEWER: Municipal services are not available — PHYSICAL CHARAC. : 1990 LAND USE PLAN: Agricultural Zoning Ordinance Amendment November 18 , 1987 Page 2 The Planning Commission tabled action on this item at the — November 4 , 1987, meeting until staff could provide additional information regarding the following five items : 1 . An analysis of other locations that could be appropriate for this type of district. 2 . Other communities ' regulations regarding contractor ' s yards . 3 . Evaluate in more detail the proposed non-contractor ' s yard uses . 4 . Comparing our contractor' s yard restrictions to other com- munities contractor ' s yard restrictions . 5 . Evaluate the site as a buffer between the industrial park in Chaska and the residential areas to the east. ANALYSIS Location of the Proposed District in Other Areas in the Rural Service Area - — One other location in the city may be considered as a potential site for a fringe industrial district. The Crosby Industrial Park is located on the west side of County Road 18 opposite the NSP substation site. This location would be similar to the Volk property in that industrial zoned land abuts the Chanhassen boun- dary. Other Community Regulations for Rural Areas Thirteen communities were surveyed. These communities are located along the boundary of the MUSA line and are similar to Chanhassen in that manner . Of the thirteen communities surveyed, — Shakopee and Ramsey were the two communities that permitted contractor ' s yards as a home occupation. However, in both instances the home occupations had to be processed by a con- ditional use permit application. Both communities indicated that the intent of their regulations was to allow homeowners who are conducting a "ma and pa" operation where materials are stored in a garage and they leave the site each day. -' Evaluate Non-Contractor' s Yard Uses The applicant submitted a list of potential uses at the November 4 , 1987, meeting. Of the uses proposed, a significant amount of them could be defined as meeting the definition of a contractor ' s _ yard provided for by the ordinance. Those that did not would be as follows : Fiberglass repair — Auto racing garage Zoning Ordinance Amendment November 18, 1987 Page 3 Sign painting Antique repair Welding-Blacksmith Caterers Coffee distributor The key to defining the contractor ' s yard uses versus non- contractor' s yard uses is that a contractor ' s yard is a location where the vehicles and equipment and materials used by building excavation, roadway, landscaping and other contractors are stored or serviced on site. The employees of the operation drive to the site in the morning and pick up their various materials and equipment and leave the site to conduct the operation elsewhere. A contractor' s yard is merely a storage area . Introducing non- contractor' s yard uses would be encouraging the concentration of a number of employees on site . Although the applicant indicates a number of the uses would be small employing 1 to 5 persons, if the proposal is to concentrate a number of these small businesses on site then there is a collective possibility of a necessity for water and sewer service. Further, the intent of the contractor ' s yard ordinance was to allow these uses to operate in the rural area as a storage yard. Proposing non-contractor ' s yard uses is going beyond the original intent and permitting commercial uses to occupy a site . Compare Our Contractor Yard Restrictions to Other Communities Contractor Yard Restrictions Chanhassen has the most restrictive regulations regarding contractor ' s yards . Because the majority of the communities surveyed did not permit them in the rural area, no restrictions as to the operation existed. In the case of Shakopee and Ramsey, the requirements of the home occupation ordinance applied. Their home occupation ordinances required that all materials be stored inside and that there would be no business conducted on site. Evaluate Subject Property as a Buffer Between the Industrial Park and Properties to the East Because the site is currently being used as a contractor ' s yard facility a position can be made that it is acting as a buffer _ from the industrial uses to the residential areas to the east. As a storage area it is not as intense as an industrial park; however , the Commission needs to evaluate the amount of develop- ment that should occur on the yolk site. RECOMMENDATION A rural industrial district can be created which would permit contractor ' s yard and truck storage uses as conditional uses within a district. This is similar to the Business Fringe Zoning Ordinance Amendment November 18 , 1987 — Page 4 that district. Permitting only conditional uses would ensure that all uses would be processed with a site plan, via a public hearing process . The conditional use process would enable the Planning Commission to impose conditions and to evaluate the — intensity of each use . Staff finds that creating a district limited to only contractor' s yard uses would be appropriate at the Volk property. However, staff does not recommend inclusion _ of non-contractor ' s yard uses . In order for a zoning district to be created, district regula- tions and uses would have to be identified. It is recommended -' that the original district proposed in the early draft of the Zoning Ordinance be used as a guideline: Fringe Industrial Development District Intent: Intended to accommodate existing uses and those uses — which do not require water and sewer service. Uses Permitted: All uses would be conditional uses and would be as follows : 1 . Contractor' s yards _ 2 . Truck storage Minimum Lot Area: 40 acres Minimum Lot Frontage : 200 feet — Minimum Lot Depth : 300 feet Maximum Lot Coverage: 50% Minimum Front Yard Setback: 100 feet — Minimum Rear Yard Setback: 100 feet Minimum Side Yard Setback: 50 feet Maximum Height-Principle Structure: 2 stories Accessory Structure: 2 stories PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION — Siegel , Conrad and Noziska felt that the current ordinance should remain as is , and a zoning ordinance amendment should not be — pursued. Wildermuth felt that a zoning ordinance amendment should be initiated to accommodate the applicant' s request. Erhart would support an amendment only if contractor ' s yards were eliminated in the A-2 District and if stringent landscaping requirements could be imposed to screen the Volk property better . The Planning Commission recommended that the applicant receive the City Council input as well . ( Please refer to November 18 , — 1987 , minutes . ) Zoning Ordinance Amendment November 18, 1987 Page 5 STAFF UPDATE The applicant' s request is to have the Merle Volk site designated as one contractor ' s yard and to enable him to lease a number of buildings for a variety of contractor' s yard uses . Also included in that request is to allow non-contractor ' s yard uses in that area. The applicant' s intent was to permit only those uses that would not require water and sewer service. The issue is one of control . If a zoning district is created allowing contractor ' s yards as a permitted use then the City is stating that this area is acceptable for contractor ' s yard uses and they are permitted by right to occupy that parcel. If they are required to be conditional uses , the city has control as to intensity of development on the site. If the city wants to limit development of that site to only contractor ' s yard uses that can be achieved; however, if they want to allow non-contractor ' s yard uses then those uses have to be defined and a district provided for them. Staff' s recommendation in the above discussion was to state that a rural industrial district can be created; however, our recom- mendation also stated that it should allow contractor ' s yards and truck storage as conditional uses only. Staff' s recommendation is in essence no different than current regulations . Creating a separate district could lead to other land areas being rezoned to FID or other ordinance amendments to the FID to include uses beyond contractor ' s yards . The options to the Council are as follows : 1 . A zoning district would not be created and that additional uses on Mr . Volk ' s property would continue to be processed by conditional use permit as is now regulated. 2 . A rural industrial zoning district can be created allowing contractor ' s yard as a permitted use. 3 . A rural industrial district can be created permitting contractor ' s yard uses only. Attachment #4 illustrates the above three options . In both options 2 and 3 , the issue of permitting non-contractor ' s yards would have to be decided. For information purposes , Attachment #5 has been added showing existing contractor ' s yards in the rural area with the one mile radius also indicated. Zoning Ordinance Amendment November 18 , 1987 — Page 6 CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION — Option 1 maintains the current ordinance and gives the City the most control . Option 2 creates a zoning district to allow — contractor ' s yards as a permitted use. Uses would be processed by site plan review ( no public hearing required) . Option 2 says that the City recognizes that the yolk property is an acceptable _ location for contractor ' s yards . Option 3 also creates a zoning district , but requires a conditional use permit process for contractor ' s yards . Options 2 and 3 would require additional work to establish appropriate standards similar to those — currently in force . Also to be decided with Options 2 and 3 , is whether or not non-contractor ' s yard uses should be allowed. To summarize: 1 . It is recommended that the Council not consider permitting _ non-contractor ' s yard uses in either the A-2 district or a new rural district. 2 . The majority of the Planning Commission ( 3 of 5 members ) — recommended Option 1 . 3 . Staff does not recommend Option 2 . — 4 . Option 3 is similar to Option 1 , but a potential would be created for other rezoning and amendment applications to locate the FID district elsewhere in the city. — 5 . Option 1 offers the City the most control by requiring that any contractor ' s yard use must be processed by a conditional use permit. ATTACHMENTS 1 . Staff report dated November 4 , 1987 . 2 . Planning Commission minutes dated November 4 , 1987 . 3 . Planning Commission minutes dated November 18 , 1987 . — 4 . Option Diagram. 5 . Map of existing contractor ' s yards . C I T Y O F P.C. DATE: Nov. 4 , 1987 C.C. DATE: Nov. 16 , 1987 CHANIIASSZNti CASE NO: �1. Prepared by: Dacy/v - STAFF REPORT PROPOSAL: Consideration of Potential Zoning Ordinance Amendment To Create a Rural Industrial District - a VLOCATION: Northwest Corner of the Intersection of Co. Rd. 18 — and Co. Rd . 117 ( Lyman and Galpin Boulevards ) a- CL APPLICANT: Merle Volk - Q 135 Mound Avenue Tonka Bay, MN 55331 PRESENT ZONING: A-2 , Agricultural Estates ACREAGE: 40 acres DENSITY: ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: N- A-2; large lot residential S- A-2 ; Holasek Greenhouse E- A-2 ; large lot residential - W- Chaska Industrial Park W WATER AND SEWER: Municipal services are not available PHYSICAL CHARAC. : 1990 LAND USE PLAN: Agricultural Rural Industrial District November 4 , 1987 — Page 2 BACKGROUND The applicant has ownership of approximately 170 acres on the _ west side of Galpin Boulevard and the east side . As the Commission is aware , the western most 40 acres of the applicant' s site is still under consideration for potential deannexation into Chaska. The 40 acres adjacent to Galpin Boulevard is currently — occupied by Mr. Volk' s contractor' s yard and Gardeneer. R and W Sanitation was granted approval in 1984 to operate from this site, but R and W has since ceased its operation on the property. The remaining amount of acreage under Mr . Volk' s ownership is located on the east side of Galpin Boulevard. In 1984 , the City amended the Zoning Ordinance to permit contrac- tor' s yards as conditional uses in the Rural Agricultural area. During the Zoning Ordinance review process , proposed at one time was a Fringe Industrial Development District ( FID) which was — designated for the 80 acres west of Galpin Boulevard owned by Mr. Volk ( see Attachment #2 ) . Because the district permitted commer- cial greenhouses , truck storage, contracting yards and public utility structures , the Planning Commission recommended that this — district be eliminated since these types of uses were allowed in some type of capacity in the A-2 , Agricultural Estate District. It was determined that creation of another district which dupli- cated some of the uses in the A-2 District was not necessary. ANALYSIS — The applicant is requesting that the city create a zoning district to allow contractor' s yards as a permitted use. It is also the intent that this district would permit uses that would not necessitate use of water or sewer facilities and permit other uses such as storage of yard care products , cabinet making, boat repair ( no engine repair included) , etc. This matter was sche- duled for discusssion purposes only to determine whether or not the Planning Commission would recommend a zoning ordinance amend- ment to create a rural industrial district. The intent statement of the proposed district at chat time was as follows : "Intended to accommodate existing uses and not for expansion or new development. All sites to be large lots with large setbacks and no public utilities . " The applicant' s request is consistent with some of the intent of this district as he is requesting that contractor' s yards be permitted uses; however, _ the request for continual expansion of contractor ' s yard uses plus allowing uses beyond those that were originally listed is different. In the past, city policy has been to allow uses in _ the rural area which are agricultural related and excluded those uses which would typically occur in urban industrial or commer- cial districts would be permitted. Rural Industrial District November 4 , 1987 Page 3 The originally considered FID District can be used as a proposal for discussion. The following issues should be discussed: 1 . Should a rural industrial district be created? 2 . Should the intent statement permit expansion of existing uses or limit usage to just what is currently existing? 3 . Should the district permit the uses listed in Attachment #2? 4 . Should other uses beyond what is listed be included? 5 . What type of district regulations should be required ( See Attachment #3 ) ? 6 . Is location of such a district at the subject parcel appropriate? RECOMMENDATION The above issues should be discussed by the Planning Commission . Staff recommends consideration of the following criteria if a district is to be created. Uses should not be included which demand urban services or are "urban" in nature. Further, the district should be restrictive as is the Business Fringe District on TH 169 . Its intent was to allow the continuation of existing uses and restrict new uses to those that do not require sewer and water. Similar rational should be used. Finally, given the parcel' s location adjacent to an industrial park, continuation of the existing contractor ' s yards is appropriate and can act as a buffer to the large lot homes to the east . However , the extent of the expansion should be considered carefully given that adjacent homeowners have voiced concern regarding traffic at recent public hearings on the Volk property. ATTACHMENTS 1 . Letter from Tom Hamilton dated October 8 , 1987 . 2 . Former FID District . 3 . Former FID District regulations . 4 . Location map. LOTUS REALTY SERVICES P.O. BOX 100 — CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 934-1505 10-08-87 — Barbara Dacy City cf Chanhassen 490 Coulter Dr. Chanhassen Mn. 55317 Dear Barb, — Lotus Realty Services is representing Merle Volk's property located at 8470 Galpin Blvd. The property currently is used as a contractors yard and for agricultural purposes. We are requesting the City of Chanhassen consider changing the zoning from the current A-2 to a zoning that would allow contractors yards as a permitted use. Mr. Volk has about 170 acres in this area, we feel there is a need to rezone at least 40 acres to allow for contractors yard types of uses. With the redevelopment of the City has come the displacement of many small businesses that would be desirable to be kept in the community. The Volk — property would be a deswrable area to have these small business located, most of which would qualify as contractors. We realize full well that this is a temporary solution to the problem. As the M. U.S.A. changes so will the zoning of this property. We would appreciate being placed on the planning commission agenda at the earliest time to review and discuss this matter. — , Si rely, ToEm 1 amilton Lotus Realty Tr Ill FID Commercial Surface Parking Greenhouses 11 FRINGE Truck Storage Signs INDUSTRIAL Contracting Yards DEVELOPMENT Public Utility Structures i Intended to _ accommodate rwil existing uses and not for expansion or new development. All ril sites to be large lots with large setbacks & no public utilities. rill ,- 1 PUD R sidential, As`approved by As approved by fl ,. / ommercial; y, ! 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Dacy: The real ambitious part of the project descriptions there i.s indicating the project to identify the residential actions. People _ that have sump pumps or have pump foundation drains that are directly hooked into sewer systems, that's going to be a big step to take because that means knowing where you are and interviewing folks and explaining what the problem is and then trying to give them the alternatives so that they can drain their water someplace else. Disconnect that connection to the sewers. I think that's the biggest challenge is trying to get it on an individual household basis because as soon as you feel you disconnected one connection, somebody else in some other part of the city has probably made another so it's a never ending battle. Noziska: It's like St. Paul. Bribe them with $40.00 or $50.00 per head . Dacy: That could be a possibility. Noziska: Say hey, come show us where you quit dumping into our sewer _ and we' ll pay you $40.00 or $50.00. $40.00 or $50.00 is probably pretty slim compared to where all that water ends up on the end. It's a tremendous amount of volume and a lot of expense to get rid of. So much more volume to treat. — Conrad: I'm real comfortable with our on-site treatment systems requirements just because I'm familiar with what we did and obviously have to take staff's word and the consultant's word and recommendations and pass those along . Is there a motion? Siegel moved, Wildermuth seconded that the Planning Commission -" recommend approval of the Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment #87-4 to amend the Utility Chapter of the Comprehensive Plan to include the proposed sections entitled, Infiltration and Inflow and On-Site — Treatment Systems as reflected in Attachments #1 and #2 and subject to review and approval by the Metropolitan Council. All voted in favor and motion carried . CONSIDER REQUEST TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO CREATE RURAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, MERLE VOLK AND LOTUS REALTY, APPLICANTS. — Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on this Zoning Ordinance amendment request. Conrad: Tom, why don't you tell us what your perspective is on this issue and give us an opinion. I think we have to decide how it fits into Chanhassen but I guess try to persuade us that we need an aggressive district to do this. Why do we need a district to do that? rga Planning Commission Meeting .November 4 , 1987 - Page 3 Tom Hamilton: Thanks Mr. Chairman and board members. I'm in an interesting position working with both the City and now being out on the street generally talking to business people and getting around the community a lot and finding out what the problems and what the nature of concerns are and one of the things that has come up is with the redevelopment of the downtown we are displacing a number of businesses that have been good and viable businesses in the community for a number of years. If you stop for a minute and think about that, if you think about where are they go, they can't stay where they're at because we going to tear the buildings down and the buildings they are currently in they are paying maybe $4.00 to $5.00 a square foot tops. There is no place else in this community for them to relocate. If they go to the industrial park they're going to be paying $10.00 per foot which is pretty much the going rate for the types of needs that they have. So I began wondering about this and I hate to see a business in town leave from a Mayor's perspective. I want to keep all the businesses here that we possible can and I have been doing some other things with Merle yolk and we got to talking about this issue and I was the one that raised it with him rather than he with me. I said what if Merle we expanded your facilities out here and asked some of these people if they wanted to come out here and relocate on your property in your contractor's yard and remain in business in the City of Chanhassen. He felt that that would be a good use of the property. Consequently we continued to follow through on this and find out what your feelings ( would be and perhaps what the Council's would be. I guess I wasn't really asking for a rural industrial district. What we have there - right now is a contractor's yard. We have approximately 2 or 3 uses there, maybe there's 4 of them right now, using Merle's property. All we're saying is, we'd like to expand the use of the contractor's yard, take perhaps 30 acres and say this whole 30 acres can be a contractor's yard under Merle's control and the uses that would go in there would be typical contractor type uses. The list I gave you was just an attempt to point out some other uses that could go in there. They all relate - to construction, either building or road or yard or that type of thing. There are a couple that don't. For instance, the fiberglass repair, that's a boat business that's here in town now repairing fiberglass. He repairs boats that have been damaged with fiberglass. Merle does not want to have anything in there that's going to create problems, noise and dust, using chemicals, he just doesn't want that. It's a headache for him and he doesn't want it on his property. The chrome people , as a matter of fact when down and approached him to see if they couldn't move onto his land to see if they could keep their operation going and he said absolutely not. He didn't want to have anything to - do with it. Mostly because of the chemicals they use and how he thought they were disposing of them up here which is primarily down the sewer. So I guess it wasn't an attempt to say it's a rural industrial. We asked Barb if she could come up with some type of zoning and perhaps that's the right verbage, I'm not sure. What I'm really saying is we're looking at a contractor's yard and it will remain a contractor's yard with just some increased useage. If you remember here a couple of weeks ago, Mark Koegler presented to yourselves and the council some Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 4 — concept plans of how the highway corridors are going to develop in — Chanhassen in the future looking out to the year 2000-2010 and Merle's property was projected to be zoned commercial or industrial. That doesn't mean it will. It may change from that but right now we're _ looking at that type of use. We have the Chaska Industrial Park that abuts up right next to Merle's property. Chaska has been after the City of Chanhassen to some degree and they've talked to Merle on more than one occasion about purchasing or annexing some of his property so they could expand their industrial _Dark because their industrial park is nearly full. They just continue to get people in theirs and they are filling up rather quickly. I've talked with Merle about this and said we'd much rather have your land stay in Chanhassen where it can be taxed but if we could utilize it better to the better advantage of him , naturally because it's his property and he'd like to make some income off it , and to the advantage of the City so we can generate some — additional taxes off his property, I think it would help everybody. This of course would be a 15 to 20 year use of the land and as it continues to develop west and we get new property, he understands — clearly that that is not going to be the use, that this use that he has there now is going to go away. It will be industrial or commercial or residential or whatever it ends up being at that time. So that was the _ reason for the request. I talked to Barb about this and we asked about how should we approach it. We do have tenants that would like to move out there. We would like to put up another building. We're just asking should we go have it rezoned or should we ask for a conditional — use? I did bring a map along. I kind of hesitate to show it to you because we had it drawn up and then we just started drawing on there ourselves as to what might happen to it eventually and really what happens is you end up having kind of a circular road around the — internal part of his property where you could have these contractors yards or contractors uses going on within his property all on the 30 acre parcel. To me, then looking at it from the city standpoint, I -' thought what a good idea to perhaps put a lot of these uses in one spot where you can control it more effectively. It would give us an opportunity to take perhaps some of the lawn care people who are — scattered around the town and perhaps some of the plumbers who are scattered around town and working out of their yards and we could enforce our ordinances as they should be and say there is a place for _ you to go. You can go out here at a reasonable rent rather than the residential area. That was another thought that I had. I felt that it would be certainly a good thing for the City so that's where we're coming from. - Conrad: Who right now Tom wants to relocate from downtown? Who's being displaced that is considering moving out there? — Tom Hamilton: Jim Derhaag who is the racing fellow. He races trans am cars nationally and he has a garage and he has two cars. He repairs and redoes his own cars and that's all he does. I think there are — three men that work in there including himself. He has an office. Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 5 Conrad : So he would need to put up a building? Tom Hamilton: He would be in one of Merle's buildings. He doesn't need that much space. He's got maybe 3,000 square feet. When he comes back from a race they totally tear his car apart, clean every part, replace anything that's broken and put the car back together for the next race. He just needs to be someplace where there isn't a lot of dirt and a lot of people. He does't want to be around people. He just wants to be someplace where it's inexpensive for him to operate and he - just comes and goes. He doesn't grind on cars out there. He doesn't create a mess. You ought to go into his garage over there. You wouldn't believe it. You can eat off the floor. You wouldn't think they are working on cars . Wildermuth : That gal with the little body shop, is she looking for a place too? Tom Hamilton : She has moved and I 'm not sure where she went to but that's the kind of use that Merle didn't want because she does body - work. She's sanding and filling and painting and that gets to be not only hazardous but you're polluting the air. If you don't filter everything right, it can be. The boat fellow over here, Marine Fiberglass, he's going to need to have a place to go. He likes Chanhassen. I've talked to him and he would like to stay here in the Icommunity. He's close to the lakes. He feels that Chanhassen has been good to him to this point and he would like to stick around in this - area. There's also a furniture repair, a wicker place that paints or something I'm not sure, and they would need a place also. Those are the ones right now and there are couple of them have already moved out before we could find them a place to go . Conrad: So these types of people need a building? So they would be constructing other than the one that would rent from Volk, they would need to build something? Tom Hamilton : Well no. Our idea is to put up a building as soon as we - can , 60 by 150 foot building which is similar to the building that Merle has on his property right now where these 3 or 4 uses that are there work out of except for Gardeneer and they have their own building. Basically they only need from 1,500 to 3,000 square feet each so in a 60 by 150 building you could divide it into 1,500 square feet sections , you could get 6 separate uses in there depending upon how many square feet they would need. You may end up with only four. - I don't know of anybody that would take up a whole building like that. We' re not looking at someone that big right now. Some other people who have expressed interest in going out to that property are a fellow who does a soft water service and he needs a place merely to store his dry salt and then you take it out to your home when he services your soft water. He would store it there and then drive his tryck and deliver the salt to the homes or businesses or whatever he serves. There's - well drilling company, Stodola Well Drilling, they would like to be on Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 6 — that property. Preferred Paving would like to be there. Of course in the wintertime they just need a place to park their trucks because they don' t work. They just need a place to put them. Now they may need another building similar to what Merle would put up because they would _ have to do some repair to their equipment and a few other things they would like to keep inside. As the whole thing developed, and as I told Barb, if the whole area was a contractor's yard, it would still be conducted that each time somebody came into the area, say the Redimix — Plant down here for instance wanted to relocate, in my opinion Merle's property would be just perfect for that. You have two major roads right there that they can use. You're in an industrial area. You get _ them out of the downtown area for one thing and still keep them in the community but that would still come back to the Planning Commission for review and then go to the Council for reivew. It's not as if we're just going to, any guy that comes along we're going to stick him in — there. That ' s not the object. I just want everybody aware of that . Emmings : Why would it come to us? Tom Hamilton: For review. Just to make sure that everybody's aware of it. Emmings : But what would bring it in? — Dacy: The site plan review. Tom Hamilton: Right because we would design the site. We want it to look nice. He wants the place to look nice. Berm everything and make sure things are screened so you can see the layout of the land and you would know who ' s going to be out there . Emmings: So he couldn' t rent the space to anyone out there without it coming back here? — Tom Hamilton: I think that's an option. That's something that's fine with us. You never know, he may come back and somebody will convince — him that they should have something that creates noxious fumes but I think the city ought to review that prior to him saying, sure I'm going to rent you the space. This gives the City some control over it. I _ don't think we want to lose that. Looking at the other side, I don't think we want to lose control of that . Emmings: Wouldn't we have more control is we leave it as a conditional use than if we make it a permitted use? Tom Hamilton: Fine, you can do whatever you want. You can have conditions on a permitted use too I suspose. There's more than one way to do it I guess is all I 'm saying . There are alternatives . Dacy: The BF district for example specifies that all uses in that — district have to come in as a conditional use so you could use that verbage. Planning Commission Meeting _November 4 , 1987 - Page 7 Tom Hamilton : I think Barb and I have been talking about trying to accomplish the same thing only doing it different ways. I'm kind of saying if you made 30 acres a contractor's yard with multiple uses in there, it's really one contractor's yard and what you're trying to do is consolidate some of the small contractors that are around and put them in one spot. Conrad : Would you want to get rid of all the other contractor yards in town? Would you want to close down all the other contractor yards in town then? Tom Hamilton: I think it should certainly be an attempt. Certainly those that are in residential areas. I don't think it's a bad idea. — The alternative is that Merle has the right to sell off some of his land. If somebody comes in and says they'd like to buy 10 acres, I don't see any reason why you couldn't sell it and then you're going to have to be faced with another guy coming and I want a contractor's yard right here and I've got 10 and this is what I'm going to put in there. You can divide the land up too. Controlling it under one person, I — think is to Merle ' s benefit to do it this way. Conrad: If the City wants to do that, then that's the way to do it. If you want to advertise for these types of uses. I'm kind of questioning, they can't afford a lot of other stuff and when you talk about $5.00 per foot, that's not expensive stuff. I don't know what kind of tax revenue, I 'm not sure what the benefit is. Tom Hamilton: There's no question that these people are living in the real world. I know what the rents are out there and I'm sure all of you do also. They're not cheap. Jim Derhaag for instance pays $2.50 per foot. He could probably go to Victoria or Norwood or someplace and find another rundown building that he could put a little bit of money into and pay $2.50 per foot. I guess I'm saying, why should we tell — them to do that. If we can keep them in town and keep the tax revenue here out at Merle's property, even at the $5.00 rate I'm sure you'd get people to pay that. There are always going to be those types of people and those kinds of businesses that want to run a business. Look at a lawncare person. How much rent can they afford to pay? Not very darn much. They're mowing lawns and plowing streets in the winter. They're running pretty much on a shoestring . Emmings: What would it cost them to use the mini-storage for example that' s been built on TH 212? Would that be valid for some of them like — that in the case you just mentioned? The lawn service type of thing? Tom Hamilton: I suspose they could store their lawnmowers i.n there for the winter but if they are there in the summer, they're running all the time. It's a daily business. I don't think that's what those are intended for . Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 8 Emmings: That's what this sounds like to me. It's kind of a bigger _ mini-storage. Tom Hamilton: But mini-storage is a cold storage and that's what it's intended to be. It's not to be running a business out of. I think if we found somebody doing that , it would be in violation of the city ordinance. Dacy: Some uses on this list that's been submitted could be defined as the definition of a contractor's yard but part of the reason for the proposal for the industrial district is to allow the auto racing repair _ and cabinet making and fiberglass repair and so on that is not permitted at this time in the A-2 district. So the Commission has to pick a side. You can continue granting conditional use permits for contractor yards on Mr. Volk's property but the request is to create a special little zone to allow these other uses to occur right along with the contractor's yard and set it apart separate from the A-2 district. You don't want to amend the A-2 district to allow these various types of uses all over the rural area . Tom Hamilton : This list was just intending to give you some ideas. I imagine you could probably come up with five pages of kinds of small businesses that could go into an area like that. That's not our intent. These are people who have asked and need space and these are some of the proposed uses. We're not out recruiting people believe me. We're not out calling people asking them to come here. This is strictly in response to people calling us and calling Merele and asking for space. Wildermuth: I think i.n view of the fact that it's adjacent to the Jonathan Industrial Park, it looks like an appropriate land use. What kind of problems are we going to run into with the subdivision adjacent to it? On the other side of Galpin. Siegel : The Wally Otto subdivision? _ Tom Hamilton: That's about half a mile down north on Galpin on the other side. Emmings: It looks like we've got a large lot residential both to the north and to the east of this property. Tom Hamilton: There about 4 or 5 homes between Merle's place and TH 5. Jerome Carlson has a home in there and I think there are about 3 or 4 other homes that are kind of right on Galpin as you go towards TH 5 to the north. Dacy: On the east side of Galpin there is Mr. Schmitt's in there, Gustafson, there' s another one and then . . . — f Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 9 Emmings: At what point would those people be allowed to comment on this process that we ' re going through here? Dacy: Because the conditional use permit application was filed, the 500 feet requirement does incorporate the 4 or 5 homeowners on the east side and the Carlson's so they would be notified as part of the conditional use permit process and with some direction we could easily notify. . . Headla: The term contractor yard is extremely nebulous and I didn't realize what was bothering me until you started talking contractor yard and different uses. Contractor's yard to me has the connotation of that's just what it means. That's not necessarily the case. That bothers me. I can see some uses could be very acceptable buz . . . Tom Hamilton: I think our ordinance, I was just reading the definition of contractor yards as we put in our ordinance which I tried to follow. It's any area use of land where vehicles, equipment and/or construction materials and supplies commonly used by building, excavating, road construction, landscaping and similar contractors are stored or serviced. It includes both indoor and outdoor storage. That's by definition of what our ordinance says a contractor ' s yard is . Headla : When we bring in heavy equipment , to me that' s more than just I a fringe area. Remember about 5 months ago was it we talked about the contractor's yard there, the people on Galpin Lake Road on the north and south of TH 5. They were concerned about all the traffic. We guaranteed them. It just isn't logical to follow that road. It's amazing the people making a left hand turn and heading west to go down Galpin Lake Road in the morning. Now on TH 5 they put a turn off so you can go around. I think there's going to be an awful lot of traffic on Galpin Lake Road going down to CR 18 and I don' t know that road can handle it or the people can handle it. Tom Hamilton : I believe it ' s a 9 ton road isn ' t it? Dacy: Right . Tom Hamilton: It's a 9 ton road. When you build a 9 ton road you expect it to get used and there's very little traffic on that road now. There might be some in the mornings . Headla: We guaranteed people heavy equipment wouldn't be going down — there. Right here, that's what we said and now I see it happening. I think we ' ve lost some credibility there. Tom Hamilton: I guess I don' t see that. I travel that road a lot during the day and once in a while I see a semi perhaps going down there. Generally that's going over to the Chaska Industrial Park. If what you're saying i.s that nobody should use that road, shouldn't drive heavy equipment on there, then you're going to have to go to Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 10 _ every business in Chaska Industrial Park and tell them not to use it. I don't think that's what our roads are for. Our roads are there to be used and our city is growing west and we' re going to find more and more use on all our streets and highways. Headla : I wish we would have explained that to the people when they were here. Tom Hamilton: Yes, I think they need to realize that. If they don't, they've got their head in the sand. It's growing that way and there's going to be more traffic generated. That's why those roads are built _ the way they area so they can withstand that volume and heavy equipment but I don't see much on there right now. I really don't. Merle is an excavator, he's got all kinds of heavy equipment. He exits everything out to the south and he goes out Lyman Blvd. and that's the road he uses. None of his equipment, supposedly no one that works for him, I know that he watches that pretty carefully because he knows that part of his conditional use permit, all his traffic exits south and enters from the south on his road onto his property out to Lyman Blvd . . Headla: I agree with you during the day I don't see much traffic there but it is noticeable in the morning. What area are we really —' talking about? Are we talking about both east and west of Galpin Blvd. there by CR 18? Tom Hamilton : Just on the west side . Headla: And we're also talking any of this would not have use of water and sewer facilities? Tom Hamilton: Not city facilities. He would put, naturally if you're going to have people working there, you would have to have lavatories so he would have septic systems installed . Headla: How do we equate that where we wouldn' t let anybody do that up along TH 5? Are we inconsistent if we would say yes on one and no on the other? Dacy: That's one of the issues that the Commission has to discuss. In the garden center proposal, that was a retail/commercial use that was being proposed. In this situation, a contractor's yard is allowed as a conditional use in the A-2 district at this time. The proposal is to create a district to not ' only continue that use but to include other uses that wouldn't necessarily be a retail use but would be uses such as what was listed here. Repair, storage areas , lawncare, snowplowing. I guess what the Commission needs to determine is to be able to identify non-retail uses to try and generalize the specific type of uses that have been suggested as examples. In the past the uses in the A-2 district were quasi-agricultural. You could make an argument that a contractor's yard was quasi-industrial but yet wholesale nurseries and mineral extraction and contractor's yard as conditional uses in the Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 11 - C A-2 area. We need to define that line between "urban industrial" and "rural industrial". Those that require sewer and water to those that do not. The Commission should decide how far you want to go with this district. Headla: On the Volk property, the contractor yard, we didn't let him put in the sewer and water did we? Dacy: He has a septic system out there but there was no new system moved with Gardeneer . Headla: No, but didn't we grant him a permit to put in an on-site septic system? Dacy: No , because it was just uses of the existing buildings . - Tom Hamilton: Gardeneer, his building that's there now has been there for quite a while . He has some septic and he has water . Noziska : But it ' s a small system? Tom Hamilton: Right, but there are very few people who work there. You've got one mechanic working there during the day and I think there's one guy who does some cabinet work. The rest of it is used for repair of their trucks and headed out. - Headla : It had been there for quite some time? Noziska: What we're talking about is intensifying that use and gathering people for commercial endeavors in an unsewered area. Tom , most of these things that I see here, I know people don't like to pay rent but is the rent in our industrial park with city sewer and water beyond their means to pay really? Tom Hamilton : I think so . Noziska: I look at it in an industrial park as a place for these people to go because you can put up a relatively inexpensive building and section it off into pieces yet you've got the city sewer and water. I question the advisability of beginning to encourage this sort of thing and if we encourage it one place , do we have to discourage it somewhere else or can we discourage it somewhere else. I know those are the things, the thoughts that are going through my mind is do we — set a precedent then that leads us into someone else wanting to do this. Then do we have to be totally arbitrary and capricious, totally fair with the next applicant that walks in? Those are the things that are bouncing around in my mind. To start creating an intensive commercial use, whether it is or it isn't real intensive, it's obviously getting more and more intensive. To the fiberglass repair outfit, they have to have employees. The cabinet shop, they've got employees . Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 12 — Tom Hamilton: The cabinet shophas and one the fiberglass guy has two of them. Conrad: That's what you know but if you're running good operations in any of these categories, whether it be plastering, stuccoing, roofing , — plumbing, you know on down, if you're running a decent operation, it could be a big shop. Tom Hamilton: Perhaps I shouldn't have given you the list. If you want to look up the definition of a contractor and a contractor's yard you will find that those are contractors that could be in contractor yards. _ Any one of those uses could come in here, whether they have 2 employees or 50 and request a conditional use permit for a contractor's yard if they have the property in Chanhassen. It's as simple as that. I couldn' t even point to one on here that we even have any interest in. I 'm just saying these are contractors. They are. Noziska: But by creating a district, are we encouraging them and then — are we encouraging a gathering of these folks whether they are a few bigger folks or a whole bunch more littler folks? And if we' re looking at somebody who wants to pay $3.00 to $5.00 per square feet for rent, _ we sure can't provide much of a building for that. That's for sure so are we really improving the city of Chanhassen that much or are we going the other way? That ' s the question . Tom Hamilton: One building would probably generate about 56,0410.e0 in taxes so if that's worth something, then that's something to consider. To me it ' s worth considering . Siegel : Is that industrial park in Chaska got city sewer? Dacy: Yes . Siegel : I had this question some time ago when a similar situation came up. Do all cities hold onto themselves their own sewer systems and water systems? Don ' t they cooperate with neighboring communities? Dacy: Chaska is defined by Met Council as free standing. They have _ their own sewer system and their own treatment plant. Other communities that are within the MUSA line obviously you know about that. The MUSA cities and free standing cities all have to conform to Met Council. In this case, the deannexation issue that was brought to the Council and it was tabled so Mr. Volk could potentially come back with some different options because that 40 acres that they wanted to deannex could be serviced by sewer and water . There was concern on the Council that the 40 acres put into Chaska which would be a loss to Chanhassen so the issue was sort of tabled to see if some sort of compromise or other situation could be worked out. Beyond that nothing has happened . Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 13 1 Siegel : When you say it could be serviced, probably a larger area than that could be serviced by sewer and water . Dacy: From the topographical information that we have on the site, the westerly 40 for sure could be serviced by Chaska. I think that the easterly half could also be if it had to . Tom Hamilton: Sure, Chaska would let them have it all if they'd build up. Siegel : Is it just strictly because of the Met Council's restrictions that communities in this case could not cooperate? If you have a fringe area bordering one community separated by a large agricultural area in this case, that area can not receive sewer and water from the neighboring community that has sewer and water because of the restrictions? Dacy: If a joint powers agreement could be executed between Chanhassen and Chaska, you could potentially have utilities extending from Chaska - into a Chanhassen parcel. However , number one, Chaska has to prove that they have capacity to do that and Met Council is coming back and saying that it's Chaska responsibility to potentially swap out an equal _ amount of acreage from their community so that there is no increase sewer demand. So there is an option available but one way they do get back to meet the sewer capacity rules . - Noziska : There isn ' t any incentive for Chaska to do that is there? Dacy: That ' s correct. Noziska : It ' s a loser all the way for them. Dacy: Because if they have to swap out acreage to equalize a sewer capacity so you can keep running in circles and meanwhile Chanhassen is saying then we have to have a trade-off, it's going to be industrial zoned . Tom Hamilton : The way it would be a winner for them would be if they would take all that acreage and build it in their industrial park, they serve that area with their power company. They buy power and they sell - it and they make a lot of money off of it. They would make more money off an industrial park electricity than they would off of picking up 40 acres of some residential area and stuck that out. Siegel : And still leave the property in Chanhassen? Tom Hamilton: Right. They don't want anything but the power. Really they want the company there because they can sell them the power . Siegel : It seems to me that there i. s like we have the business fringe ` district, I don't really have a quarrel here since the potential use of Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 14 — that neighboring land is probably going to be an industrial park too on _ that west side of Galpin Blvd.. I don't really have a quarrel with establishing say an industrial fringe district but I certainly would not be in favor of allowing it be under any other circumstances than a conditional use permit . — Emmings: I don't think I've got a real good grasp of what it is they want to do out there. I don't feel like I really understand what it is that you want to see in there and I think on the positive side, putting some of these contractor's yards together in one spot, maybe berming the whole site or maybe you could do something with that. If the whole _ thing was going to be developed at once and I could see a whole plan , I think I'd be a lot more comfortable. Otherwise, there's a potential there for an awful ugly mess. When Tom mentioned the Redi-mix . . . Tom Hamilton: This is where the building is proposed to go. The rest of this would be ideas. Emmings : This is just some free hand drawing on a piece of paper. It doesn't really mean anything in terms of a real plan to me anyway. It's not being submitted as precisely what you're going to do. It's just an idea. Is that right? Tom Hamilton : Take the red ink off of there and you will see what we ( want to do right away. _ 1, Emmings : I think what Dave said about Galpin , as far as I know , as far as I recall, we conditioned approval of the Gardeneer use of that _ property and made a specific condition that they would not be allowed to use Galpin. That they had to go south and go out to TH 41. I imagine that was approved by the City Council and I think that's important because there is potential , there is residential single — family development going in along there and I don' t think the Redi-mix trucks mix with that very well. Even if it's just storage. We have a experience here with what that looks like and I don' t think anybody — would want that anywhere near them. You talk about it' s a shame to lose anything if they move out of town, I'd be happy to stand and wave good-bye anytime they want to go. That's kind of a personal opinion. _ The contractor's yard thing and the potential for breaking it up into small pieces, I don't think really exists under our present ordinance because one of the conditions , one of the standards for a conditional use is that no two contractor yards at the present time can be within a — mile of each other so I don' t think we really have to worry about the alternative scenario that Tom came in here where they break it up into little pieces and each person would come in for a contractor's yard. It just won't happen. We've got that covered here. So I think there is some positive things to this. I would be concerned about the sewer use and I wouldn' t want to see any uses out there that would have a lot of employees or need a lot but I don' t think, that probably isn't a real problem. I think this thing is so inmorphis, potentially there are so many things that could go in there. If somehow we could narrow Planning Commission Meeting ovember 4, 1987 - Page 15 the scope, I may be interested in approving it but I think since it's in the A-2 at the present time and without having sharper definition of - what they want to put in there, and I'm not talking about classes of things but I guess specific businesses and how they would operate, I'd be inclined to want to leave it under the way it is. Just because I just don' t feel like I can get a handle on it. Conrad : Do you feel that we should have a zone where we can cluster uses like this together? Emmings: That sounds like a good idea...I don't know if this is the spot we'd pick. I'd rather survey the community and pick that spot rather than just put it there because he wants to put it there. I wouldn't mind considering that spot but if the idea is that Chanhassen needs a place for a kind of a lower rent, less intensive use for businesses that somehow don't fit into the downtown and somehow don't fit into the industrial park, then we ought to go out and look for the best place in town and if we want to consider that, fine. Let's not just look at that one. I guess I should say for the record too Tom - that you appeared before us another time talking about your dual situation as Mayor and now an applicant in front of the Commission and I think this is an example of the situation where Chanhassen loses your leadership as our Mayor in something that's kind of a brand new thing. I think this is an example because you've been hired by a developer who wants a specific thing from the City and I think this is an example of where you are in a position where Chanhassen suffers for not having - your leadership . Conrad : I guess my general posture right now is , if I were to direct where we go, I feel comfortable allowing uses, especially for relocating under the current conditional use permit. I think we're all going to verbalize a little bit differently but I think that can monitor and manage and see the different uses as they come in. We — probably could build that into a district but it seems as a permitted use in the district, I can't envision how to structure it. It's sort of mind boggling and maybe that's just because there are too many _ unknowns right now. I would have a real tough time developing a district and determining why it should go one place versus another. Yet in terms of relocating our downtown folks, I'm sensitive to that and I think my general position would be to try to accomodate that through the existing conditional use process. It kind of accomplishes some of the things that you talked about. It's probably more restrictive right now than maybe what Merle Volk would like to see. I — think Planning Commission and City Council went around that the last time we added an additional use to his property. Unless I saw a real definite proposal and then let staff determine why, I think a zoning - district has to be an aggresive district. I hate passive districts. To say we're going to put a district out there just to accomodate something. I think that's sort of a flimsy way of running zoning ordinances. What it's good at is it maybe prevents a little bit of staff time being involved in some of that stuff but I think a zoning , Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 16 — s it's an active use. It's a way of soliciting business to a particular area. I'm just not sure myself that some of these low intensive uses are of interest to me. I think the better contractors and the bigger contractors will be able to afford places and then the ones that aren't _ big and want to be here, they can still use our conditional use process for contractors yards and we can accomodate them but I 'd really need to see a specific proposal and have staff tell me why that should be before I could react to a particular zone. Let's kind of get a feel because I think you came in here Tom saying you could go a variety of ways. This is not necessarily the way you envisioned it and it can happen a different way too and let's take a poll. I guess what staff needs or what we should direct staff to do is should we have them do more legwork in terms of a real zone checking out other cities. Do they have a zone? How do they accomodate stuff like this? Maybe doing a little bit more research in that area or should we save their time in that area and have them take a better gander at the current conditional use permit process and how it ' s acommodating uses . Wildermuth: I think the creation of this zone is good planning. Rather than having contractor yards scattered throughout the area, they come more and more in conflict with residential uses of the land. It would not be good planning. We've got an opportunity to locate and in fact I'd like to see that whole parcel designated as a district or a zone . The area immediately adjacent to it is already industrial park . Emmings : One side. You ' re forgetting three other sides. Two sides . Wildermuth: For all practical purposes, the area between TH 41 and the Volk property, I don't think there's too much question about what's going to happen there. It seems to me it ' s logical . Conrad : So you ' re in favor of a specific zone? Wildermuth : Well in favor of a specific zone. I think we run the risk of creating a community where we're going to have nothing but, it's — going to be a bedroom community. A subdivision community. One subdivision after another. We've got to provide space for businesses, for industrial use. I'd like to see some employments opportunities in Chanhassen other than just retail. We've done that with the industrial park but there are businesses inbetween the Press type of industry, the CPT type of industry and the retail busines district and I think as a well planned community we ought to provide for that . — Noziska: I understand what you're saying but there are several communities that in their industrial park they will have buildings that are specifically for small business. I guess what I'm saying, we're going to have a lot of people who need 2,000 or 3,000 square feet here, 2,000 square feet there with 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 employees each. We're _ set up already, and I think Chanhassen has done a nice job of creating a very nice industrial park and to me, it seems like to push that into Jur already established industrial park makes an awful lot more sense Planning Commission Meeting Npvember 4, 1987 - Page 17 than taking a piece of land and trying to push little businesses out into that area . Wildermuth : The only problem I see though is that this kind of businesses, this kind of semi-storage business takes more land, less building facility than let's say Components Engineering. A company who just put up a building here. It's a little more intensive manufacturing use. That kind of business can support a higher land value, higher per square foot building value. Where there's a lot of - truck storage involved and things like that, I don't know i.f those businesses can support or if they generate the kind of revenue that can tie up the amount of land that it would take to service them in an industrial park environment. Noziska: Okay, so let's take sort of a multiuse office/warehouse. That's really what we're talking about where there's a little area for — the office and then out in back in this big barn is where they store their fiberglass equipment and have 2 or 3 or 4 boats in there, whatever they' re working on at the time. We see an awful lot of those office/warehouses scattered out all over everywhere. I really thing that the industrial park that Chanhassen has developed is an excellent place for them. I really don't think that there's anything that couldn't be handled if there were screening for some outside storage. — Is that what you ' re worried about? I Wildermuth : I think that ' s one of the concerns . Noziska : I know we have Hanus up here who has a lot of outdoor storage and he's got it screened. Whether that's right or wrong or indifferent , wherever you put him , even if you put him out in the middle of the cow pasture, you're talking about creating some sort of a rule and regulation to screen him. So wherever you put him you're going to have to screen him. Dacy: I just want to make a point of information and then see if I can summarize some of the comments that I'm hearing. If you recall when Gardeneer came through the application process we had included a map that picked up on the one mile radius requirement that no two contractors yards be located closer than one mile and that map, based on what has been approved to this date, basically has used up the A-2 area. You also recall that we had to process a variance request along with Gardeneer because they were requesting two, Merle's contractor's yard and Gardeneer's contractory's yard on one site within one mile so — technically they had a variance application. The zoning district option, we would eliminate that or we could amend the ordinance to do that so that we could allow the contractor's yards within that one district. What I'm hearing now is that the Commission feels comfortable with allowing contractor's yards as a conditional use. That's what has been done in the past and that's what gives you control of outdoor storage, landscaping, berming and those uses but what I'm rearing you uncomfortable with is uses that don' t meet the definition Planning Commission Meeting Npvember 4 , 1987 - Page 18 — of contractor's yard in terms of the ordinance. I know that the — applicant disagrees with that to some degree but the fiberglass repair and auto racing garage repair and sign painting and those types of uses, the staff feels that those uses don't meet the contractor's yard _ definition. What I'm hearing is the that the Commission is uncomfortable with how do we identify those non-contractor's yard issue. If something can be proposed to classify them, are you willing to consider that or do you feel the other point of view that we're — going a step beyond and opening an open door for a nebulous type of uses that will be located in that area. Is that a correct summary of your comments so far and does that help you in coming to some kind of direction? Conrad : I think it summarizes a lot of opinions. If I were to take a straw vote, it looks like there are two people who would be in favor at this time of something in front of us as long as there are some controls on it. Howie, where are you? Noziska: I have a concern about intensifying use in the rural area. I always have. I just don't know how we can control it once we've got a building there. If it was set up specifically to handle 1,500 or 3,000 square foot businesses and we've got a 9,000 or 12,000 square foot building , then that means all of a sudden we can start putting a number of people in there with a number of uses. Not only traffic but T also sewer. I really think, of course I'm very impressed with our — \- existing industrial park and granted there may be some people who are living in the 18th century and sure $2.50 is not reality in anybody's book. I don't think $4.00 or $5.00 a square foot is much reality until you get out into some barn in some farm somewhere. For going businesses and multiple businesses, there are a number of ways that other communities have of keeping those types of businesses and services in town. I agree with Tom, we don't want to lose these people. I just don't feel myself that going into an unsewered area with them is a solution to the problem. I think we should search for someway to keep them here but I think by dumping them into an unsewered area is not my idea of a solution . Tom Hamilton: I appreciate all the comments and that's true we'd like _ to do something out there and keep the business in town. It doesn't really matter how we do it and I do believe in the process that the cities go through to accomplish this and I do appreciate what's being said. I think what Jim is saying is there are some businesses that are — between an industrial park and a Merle Volk property. They haven' t graduated yet to the industrial park. They aren't big enough. They don't make enough money. They haven't been around long enough. You've — got to walk before you can run. I think Dayco Concrete is a good example of that. I 'm not sure where they were housed before they came to Chanhassen but they were a pretty small outfit and they probably got a start someplace similar to Merle Volk's property and now they've moved into the industrial park. We would hope that this would happen r with these businesses and perhaps there would be some successes out Planning Commission Meeting November 4, 1987 - Page 19 there and those people would develop their businesses and they would be able to move into our industrial park but our industrial park Howie, I agree is a very nice park but we're not set up to handle people like this. There isn't anyplace down there where they can go and pay a reasonable rent to get the type of facility that they need to have. The facility that Merle and Bill would like to build would cost them about $170,000.00. It's not just a falling down shed. There would be greenery around it and it would be nicely done so it's not like we're just throwing up something overnight and it's going to look like heck and fall down. It's a pretty substantial building. You can't build a building like that in the industrial park. You can't charge the types of rent that you can charge here. You can probably charge $5.00 a foot and they'll probably have some very viable business people. That's all I wanted to say and I appreciate your comments. Headla: If we let this building go up out there, why wouldn't people - like J & R Radiator be allowed to go out there if they're going to get their rent for less than half? Tom Hamilton : That ' s not the kind of use that he wants to have there . Wildermuth: Besides J & R Radiator by virture of their processed water that he uses . f Tom Hamilton: You're looking at a high water user. Basically we are -- looking at contractors. People who go there in the morning, get their equipment and maybe make some repairs to their equipment then they leave th.e site and they're out working on a site someplace all day long and come back in the evening, park their cars, maybe take their calls. That's basically what goes on there today. If you drive down there in the morning it's busy. The people are coming in. They're getting their equipment and they're leaving. The rest of the day there aren't too many people around. You've got a mechanic in back and a guy — answering the phone, other than that there ' s not much going on . Wildermuth : I think we have to put some real teeth into some of the restrictions in terms of waste water and water useage. Tom Hamilton: The building that's proposed, there would be no sinks but in the toilet. There would be a bathroom sink. There would be a - stool and a sink in the bathroom. There isn' t any other facility for water to be used. It won ' t be used . .- Conrad : Let ' s give staff some direction. Noziska: Maybe you've got an idea there. We're not the only fringe community today in the metropolitan area. There's a whole bunch of them. How have they approached this particular problem. Conrad: I guess I still have serious doubts on this one because I ' don't know if we create a zone, where does it go? How many zones do we } Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 20 — f want? How does that infringe on , really the area it goes into is _ agricultural and zones are kind of a lifestyle when you think about it. You plop this zone in the agricultural district and it's changing their lifestyle. Even through there are ways around that but it bothers me a little bit and it bothers me putting industrial uses or heavy uses in '— agricultural area. I guess I agree with Howie on that yet maybe there's a solution to this that some other community has come up with that might provide some guidance. Tom , are you going to come back next week with a conditional use permit? Is that your direction? Dacy: Maybe we could talk about that for a little bit because what's _ being proposed is the construction of a building. As in the Gardeneer's or Merle Volk's application, we know how many trucks are going to be there. We can estimate from what his business is and the applicant is proposing the construction of a building to house a -- potential contractor's yard. That raises the issues to the Commission on how comfortable you are dealing with a conditional use permit application of that nature so that's why the applicant is trying to approach this issue from two meetings . Conrad : But the applicant's coming in next week with a conditional use permit. We're saying Barbara we don't know. That's what we're saying. At least four of us are saying, we're not sure and two are saying probably it makes some sense. Based on that straw poll with four of us } who say we don' t know, we're saying is there any more information that you can get us that might help clarify a particular zone? I guess I still an skeptical personally that we'll find that. That I'll be comfortable with something but do you thing there's information out _ there that you can find that might help us? Other communties that have taken on this thing and have rules and regulations that shows us types of uses that they permit and they have some track record. If we saw that, then I think we might be able to find locations for this type of — district. Without that I think it's just terribly difficult to grasp. At least I 'm having a real tough time doing it. Dacy: Okay, so what you'd like to see back is an analysis of other locations that could be appropriate for this type of district and number two, what other communities are doing as far as the rural areas and the types of uses that they allow. Number three, to look at the non-contractors yard type of uses . Conrad: And number four would be comparing our contractor yard restrictions to other communities contractor yard restrictions . Emmings: Also, could they look at maybe building a case for this as, _ could this Volk property be a buffer between the industrial park that's right there adjacent to it and the residential to the east. Maybe a case can be made for that . Dacy: To a certain extent I think that's happening now pending development of the industrial park in Chaska . — Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 21 r Emmings: I guess I'd like to know, does it make sense as a transition between industrial and agricultural because I can think of how it might but it may turn out if you look all over Chanhassen , if we wanted to look for a place to put a district, maybe that' s it. Conrad: I'm not sure that this is an asset for Chaska. Why is the - Chaska Industrial Park filling up Tom? Tom Hamilton : Because they' re giving the land away for nothing . Conrad: That' s true. It' s a tax increment deal . Tom Hamilton: They give the land away from nothing because they get all their money back in electricity. Conrad: Well , you've heard what we're going to do. Get some more — information. That's what I got out of this and maybe we'll have a little bit more concrete info but I assume you're still going to be coming in with that next week and we' ll take a look at it. Emmings: As far as Howie's point about putting this stuff down in the industrial park, I thought that was a real good point. At least that makes sense as the first place you look before you might locate this up, and that seems to be impossible and I 'm wondering is it just because of the style of buildings that are going in there are just too expensive to build? Tom Hamilton: Part that plus the price of land. You can go down to the industrial park and pay, I don't know what are lots selling for down there Barb? Dacy: No I don ' t . — Tom Hamilton: I don't know, you go down there and pay $10,000.00 per acre for land in the industrial park right now and put a $100,000.00 building in. Wildermuth: Right. The other thing is, if you move into the industrial park the chances are good that you're going to spend between $40.00 and $50.00 a square foot for a building. If you're going to spend that kind of money for 150,000 square foot building, I don't want a contractors yard next door to me. — Emmings: But maybe some of these uses might be appropriate down there where some aren't. Maybe the people who own that land, if there's enough interest in that type of use, maybe the landowner down there would be willing to put up a nice building that will allow some of these places to come in . Wildermuth : I think the City might take a look at putting up some sort — )f buidling . Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 22 — Tom Hamilton: Our definition of a contractor's yard says inside and outside storage and I think outside storage is where the problem comes in. The industrial park people don' t have any outside storage. You look at Merle's operation and just because of the type of work he does, excavating, he has to have stuff outside. He just can't store all his stuff inside. He's got too much stuff. Buckets for his backhoes and new blades and all that stuff is outside. The boat guy would have some boats sitting outside. Outside storage is important and it's cheaper. — Merle's land is real cheap. He doesn't charge them anything to put stuff outside and let it sit there. Wildermuth: How much land is available in our industrial park at this point? Tom Hamilton: In the park that's being developed there's very little — left. There's only half a dozen lots and it's going to have to go on the other side of the tracks. We've got a big piece over there north of Lake Susan that hasn ' t developed yet and west of Lake Susan also. — Noziska: There's really quite a little land left in the basic area. I know I was in Roseville and I saw an industrial park that went in , the buildings went almost entirely around an open area in the center and they had an area where you could get semi's in and out of the back there but yet they enclosed and maybe I'm not understanding exactly r what kind of businesses it is we're trying to keep in Chanhassen but it — seems to me like that would be the type of arrangement where you had a combination of inside and outside. Hanus stores a lot of stuff outside and I don't know, that may or may not be a good example. He's in the _ community and he's sitting there with a lot of exterior storage. Regardless of the goofy tennants, that's a problem but to enclose it with buildings with one area to enter and have it sort of enclosed by the building itself, that makes some sense. If we're trying to keep — these little guys and it seems to me with someone with a small business and one that needed a variety of services, I don't know maybe Jim's got a point. Maybe the City of Chanhassen should encourage and participate in keeping those kinds of people here. I agree with you. I don't think we want to start losing gals that fix and paint cars and guys that fix boats. I think we want to keep those people in our community but I think the intensity of that use is something that bothers me in the unsewered area. You know how lam about unsewered areas. I was against going to 2 1/2 acres and I'm tickled pink with the 10 acres per single family residential. I think that's a good idea. I can live with 5 acres. I don't have a problem with that but I think 10 is better. I think now we've got all these fancy rigamarolls to limit the intensity of infiltrating our ground water and then this seems to be going against that again and that's probably one of the reasons that I 'm having difficulty. Tom Hamilton: I'm not sure i.t is. It's going to be very light use. — There will be very few people using it and you could put in a holding tank and pump it every year. You probably have to pump it once a year - Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 23 I because it just plain wouldn't get used. I think that's a good alternative. Noziska: Have you run some projections on that little sketching that you've got there as far as what that means to Chanhassen in the way of taxes and etc .? Tom Hamilton: The building would generate about $6,000.00. Just the one building we're looking at right now. If you increase the uses and — I haven't had a chance to talk to the assessors to find out what kind of changes you would put on that property but it would increase the taxes. If I can get the information for you, I'll see if I can talk to the assessor . Noziska: All those sorts of things are important parts of consideration which obviously you have more knowledge of and understanding . OPEN DISCUSSION: LOT WIDTH AND FLAG LOTS . Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on lot widths . — Conrad : What do you think? Keep it the same? Noziska: It doesn't seem like there's any consistent guidance out there. It's whatever anybody or any particular community feels is right. Conrad: I guess I just get the feeling we're not gaining anything by changing the ordinance right now. Headla: To me we've had several situations where flag lots, it looks — liked it was very reasonable. I don't what else the developer could have done . Dacy: One example, or at least I felt that a flag lot was and a variance was deserved was on the Shadowmere subdivision at the end of that cul-de-sac. They had kind of a hammerhead shaped cul-de-sac and if they would have built the cul-de-sac and created the lot lines so you could get the 90 feet across , it would have meant a retaining wall of 22 feet in height and x amount of cutting and filling and so on. but if they can achieve the same number of lots but do less damage to the — topography, and the topography I thought in that instance was the best reason to do that. Other examples, there was controversy in the Creek Run subdivision on Yosemite and then we talked a lot about this in the Centex and Curry Farms development. There are 2 or 3 flag lots along the steep slopes and cul-de-sacs also. The Commission felt that in the Creek Run example that it was pushing a line that he's trying to get an additional lot out of there. I think the Council went along with that too . CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETINGIC1A( ( — NOVEMBER 18 , 1987 r' Chairman Conrad called the meeting to order at 7 : 40 p.m. . i MEMBERS PRESENT: Tim Erhart, Ladd Conrad, James Wildermuth, Robert Siegel and Howard Noziska MEMBERS ABSENT: Steven Emmings and David Headla STAFF PRESENT: Barbara Dacy, City Planner and Jo Ann Olsen, Asst. City — Planner CONSIDERATION OF CREATING A RURAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, MERLE VOL APPLICANT. Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on creating a rural industrial — district. Conrad: Under the B column, would that mean that any contractor's yard _ would have to receive a zoning? If we followed that alternative, would they have to receive a rezoning of their property? Dacy: A rezoning, no. What Alternative B is saying is that you create — a district and you call it something, rural industrial or whatever, but you permit contractor's yards only as a conditional use and they have to come through the conditional use process . — Conrad: What would we do with the current contractor's yards? So we create one district which had multi -contractor yards, what would we do with the others that we have in town right now? Dacy: We would have two options. You could leave the A-2 ordinance as is and continue to allow contractor's yards as a conditional use in the — A-2 district or if you wanted you could go back and amend the A-2 district to eliminate contractor yards. Erhart : How many contractor yards are there? Dacy: There could be about 3 or 4 . Conrad: You closed in your comments Barbara by saying there's a significant economic impact in what we're deciding tonight or looking at. What does that mean? Dacy: What I was saying is that at the last meeting there was a lot of discussion about the economic issue involved for some of these uses. _ Some of these uses, because of the price of land, they may not be able to locate in an industrial park. Some of these uses are located in structures that have low rates for leasing and it's only natural that anybody would want to find a location that's cheaper rent than anyplace — else. All I'm saying is that in the future there may be more economic impacts in the future for those people than there may appear to be now. Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 2 Conrad: We're discussing this issue because the next item on the agenda is a conditional use permit and for those that were not here at our last meeting, we wanted to decide whether there should be a zoning amendment and I think tonight we're going to make some decisions on whether we think the staff should follow that up or not and make our recommendations to the City Council in terms of whether there's a zone that is appropriate. After we talk about that, than that may shed some light on the subsequent item on the agenda. This is not a public hearing but I'm interested in any comments that people may have that are in the audience tonight. We're sort of searching around in terms of the need, the necessity and I think if there is anybody that has some comments to shed on what you've heard the staff talk about, we'd appreciate it if you had anything to tell us . Roger Schmidt: I have two questions. First of all, it's a general question. Why does it, I have to agree with with Barbara has to say — about the number of contractor's yards in the communities around the area, why does Chanhassen feel that they have to be an exception to say Victoria, number one. Number two, if you were going to rezone to permit these kind of uses , does that qualify as spot zoning? Conrad: Your first question we'll just have to decide tonight whether we have to be an exception. Whether it's important. Whether we feel it's significant. In terms of spot zoning, it's kind of true. What we'd want to make sure, if we had a zone, if we felt it was important, I think it would be significant that we worked it into a plan. That we — ask staff whether there were other locations that would meet any kind of requirements for a zone like that and I think you heard their comments. There is another location. Does it make sense to be where it is for economic reasons, for buffering reasons? I think you heard the staff's comments too and we all took that in. To a degree, putting in a downtown business district is spot zoning. You have one and maybe that's all you need. I think we have to decide whether one fringe — business district is all we need and again that could be important in how we desi.gn our community. It could be termed spot zoning but if it makes sense, then maybe it's not but I think what we would want to make sure of is that we had alternative sites for a zone and that there was some rationale for why we put it where we did . Anything else? Shirley Bowers, Chaska Community Service: ...a park that is very comparable to your Chanhassen Lakes Park. We are concerned with seeing contractor yards adjacent to what...CR 18 which is one of the major east/west roads... We would not like to see higher quality industrial structures happen along that road... We are not unmindful of contractor yards. There is a definite need in an area like Chanhassen and Chaska for them so.—and we are looking at the future expanding almost all of their activities to that site. At least 20 million dollars being built on that site and to know what's happening next door... I think all the cities have to be aware that the biggest tax burden we have is from the school districts and the county... Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 3 Conrad: I think what we'll do is get Planning Commission's — perspectives and any questions we may have and react to this particular opportunity or direction. I think the applicant has asked, Merle Volk has asked for us to consider a zoning change and we have some _ alternatives to look at and give staff some direction. Erhart: Maybe the easiest solution is to have Chaska annex the whole thing then you'd have sewer and water available. -- Wildermuth: In exchange for what? Erhart: Assuming that can't be done, I would definitely oppose looking at the area across Audubon Road. It's to be considered a district that doesn't spread an industrial district in the rural area. It's not the same kind of property. It's very open where this is partially wooded and has an area across the street that is open and that you can get to from all directions. I'm adamantly opposed to doing that. Although if you were going to make a second district , to make it more meaningful , I — think that that number 18 space below is more appropriate. Thinking this thought over the last week, given that it already is a large contractor ' s yard and we're probably not going to change that, as I go _ back and during the new ordinance, at that time we discussed the alternative of allowing contractor yards throughout the city of Chanhassen in the rural area as opposed to making one district filled with contractor yards. At that time the position was taken that we're — going to allow contractor yards at various locations in the A-2 area and this could be one of them. Reflecting on that, I think perhaps we should go back and review that and I would like to see us take the position that we do have one large area that's already a contractor's yard. We've accepted it. Do the best with that that we can and eliminate contractor yards completely from all other areas in _ Chanhassen. In other words, keep it as a conditional use for the A-2 area, if that' s allowed. Is that correct Barbara? Dacy: Yes , those are the two options . — Erhart: So I'd like to see that. As far as your comments as to what to do with this area, I believe that with proper landscaping you can effectively shield the equipment. Even if the equipment does sit outside, I think it can be shielded effectively but I think we ought to be real specific about how that's done. This is unique. I don't think we can apply our regular berming and landscaping rules and ordinances -" would apply to the industrial but I think we ought to be specific in the height of the berm and the thickness of the trees and types of trees. Evergreen, I think they ought to be 6 feet minimum height in two rows and such that this is properly screened so it doesn't and I don't think it will adversely affect Chaska's industrial park. I think i.t will be an asset if it's properly screened. Also, I think as you start moving equipment back into the rear area , if they can do that without additional permits, I think that ought to be stated upfront that that addition has to be screened from the industrial park. Then I Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 4 think it's fine. Considering the existing use of the area, I think it makes sense to expand that use in that area as long as the surrounding areas aren't affected. Now that we've got it, let's eliminate contractor yards from the A-2 area in the rest of Chanhassen. I don't think, quite frankly, the A-2 area of Chanhassen is not agricultural. It is a residential area and contractor yards are not consistent with '- the density of the residential building and residential homes that we ' re getting throughout the rural of Chanhassen. - Conrad : Tim, to summarize, you would create a zone? Erhart: Yes . — Conrad: Would you keep uses as conditional uses? In other words, you create a zone but you'd keep them as conditional uses but you would also want to eliminate contractor yards from the rest of Chanhassen in — the A-2 district? Erhart : Yes . I wouldn' t vote for anything. Conrad: So in other words, if you didn't eliminate contractor yards from the A-2 district and other areas, you would not vote for a zone? — Erhart: You got it. Wildermuth : Can we legally do that? Conrad: .I think we could. If we felt comfortable that we could, that we solved the need and allowed a use in the city of Chanhassen, I think we could eliminate that. We couldn't go retroactive. I think the current contractor yards would be grandfathered in. Dacy: I went through the file and found a transparency that shows the — number of contractor yards. Stockdale's is up here on CR 117. He has not executed his operation or he has not begun his operation yet nor has he executed the permit that was issued. He hasn't filed a letter officially withdrawing the application yet so as far as I know the application still stands. In any case, if we were to assume that one was there, we talked about it a couple of years ago. Then to the south of them Mr. Benson has his contractor's yard and then the wholesale nursery and landscaping contractor's yard along TH 101. Mr. Langdon's operation on West 96th Street. Mr. and Mrs. Clark's operation on Pioneer Trail and then we're expecting on the site adjacent to TH 101, — we amended the BF district to allow contractor's yards about 6 months ago and I expect to hear an application here quickly. So the circles around this reflect the 1 mile radius . — Erhart: Around that comment, I guess I wouldn't be opposed to contractor yards in the BF area but I might also comment that Northwest Nursery is not a contractor ' s yard , it ' s a wholesale nursery. Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 5 — Dacy: Yes, it's primary is a wholesale nursery but they do act as a — contractor's yard in that equipment and services are being stored on site . Erhart : Meaning what the tree removers . — Dacy: At one time, as I recall, when we went through the process, he did have a cement mixer on the site. His operation obviously is just — himself. Siegel : Do we have any contractor yards outside of the A-2 district? Dacy: The only one would be the application that we expect to receive along TH 212 BF' s district. MIME Siegel : In other words, we don ' t have any in any residential area? Dacy: There may be some illegal uses that we ' re not aware of. — Siegel: In considering your study of other cities in the metro area, did you look at just cities that had agricultural zoning? Dacy: Yes. I wanted to call those cities that were similar to Chanhassen in that they were half urban and half rural. Those included were Apple Valley, Eden Prairie, Plymouth, Lakeville, Rosemount, Shakopee, Inver Grove Heights , Prior Lake, Victoria, Anoka , and Ramsey. Siegel : So a substantial number of them still have agricultural zoning? Dacy: Yes . Siegel : That business fringe district down along TH 212, the Gedney Plant, is that in the business fringe district or is that another zoning? Dacy: The Gedney Pickle Plant is zoned industrial office . Siegel : And that area is just restricted to the Gedney property right? Dacy: Under the terms of the zoning ordinance, if Gedney's operation were to cease at that location, any use permitted in the IOP district — could be located at that location. Siegel: And they have a pre-existing grandfathered in sewage contract with the city of Chaska? Dacy: That ' s correct . Siegel : When we were discussing about having a fringe industrial district, I was thinking that that area would surely be an ideal area Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 6 because there already was an existing grandfathered in and fairly successful industry going there and I think we should consider that as - a possible expansion area even though we don't have sewer but for things like contractor yards and uses we're looking at, that should be in my opinion a good location for that type of growth if we needed it in the City of Chanhassen. Dacy: I should comment that the property adjacent to that is Mr. Gary Brown's property which is zoned BF which came through last spring for a — storage facilities . The area adjacent to Gedney' s is now zoned BF. Siegel: What is the progress of this talk about annexation of this property to Chaska? Is there any talk or is it sort of at a standstill? Dacy: When the request was discussed by Council , they presented their — individual viewpoints on the proposed deannexation and the direction back to Mr. Volk was to come back with some type of proposal and work with staff members from Chaska and Chanhassen and Mr. Volk to get some - type of proposal that would make a compromise as to Chanhassen deannexing 40 acres of land that would be created as an industrial. Council was seeking some type of items in return so that Chanhassen and Chaska could look at the overall impact of deannexing the 40 acres into — Chaska. Some of the council members were concerned about loss of tax base, creation of land that would be in competition with Chanhassen's industrial zone and the business park. Those were some of the concerns . Siegel: There was no discussion about the possibility of Chaska seeding property down around the Gedney property to the City of Chanhassen in exchange for the Volk property? To me that would be a natural switch if there is property available in that area . Dacy: There was nothing concrete as far as swaps. Again, the — direction was to come back at some point with some type of specific proposal . — Siegel : But right now it ' s really in who ' s court? Dacy: It' s back in Mr . Volk ' s court . Tom Hamilton: I talked with Merle and Merle talked with Chaska and I talked with Bob Roepke, the Mayor of Chaska and the ball is in their court to come up with some land... Also I'd like to comment on — swapping land down by Gedney's, I think you're looking at some lowlands without very much potential . . . Siegel : It seems to me there is vacant land that is buildable because the industrial land down there next to Gedney's could be swapped. I'm not talking about the river bottom. - Tom Hamilton: It' s the same thing . . . • Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 7 — Siegel : But it' s sewered . Tom Hamilton: Not to us . Siegel : It would be if it were annexed right . — Tom Hamilton: Merle's would be if Chaska, if we would have the opportunity to sewer at the time. . . — Siegel : Even though we have existing sewage available to Gedney' s? Tom Hamilton: Our sewage does not handle Gedney' s. Siegel: No, but couldn't it be worked out where it could be an exchange basis since the sewer line actually would have to go through the properties concerned to Gedney' s. Dacy: Maybe Shirley can help me but I think the Gedney plant has an on-site treatment or are they on Chaska ' s? Shirley Bowers: No, they have municipal water and sewer. They do _ have settling ponds... I'd just like to make a comment about the property surrounding the Gedney plant we consider prime industrial because it has major highway TH 212 access, you have rail access. There is talk about abandoning the railroad.—but we are asking to keep the track open from about the Gedney Plant... It is my understanding unless for some reason the letter didn't go out of my office, there was a proposal sent. Siegel : For a land exchange? Did it concern that area? Shirley Bowers : That was one mentioned . .. — Siegel : Maybe Barb would know about since the sewer would be going through the property already. Even though it goes through Chask's —. sewer service, would that be sewered industrially if we had an exchange of property just like the Gedney' s? Dacy: So you're saying that Chanhassen would receive sewer service from Chaska? Siegel : Right. What we're talking about is Chanhassen land already — receives sewer service from Chaska. The Gedney property is the example. We're not really doing anything other than expanding that area in an exchange program to annex unsewered land in Chanhassen for sewered land in Chaska? I don ' t know what the politics would be . Dacy: As far as use of utilities is concerned, Chanhassen or Chaska could execute a Joint Powers Agreement or Joint Agreement utility use however since the sewer is coming from Chaska and Chaska is going to have to satisfy the Metro Waste Control Commission and Met Council that - Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 8 the additional capacity is not being added to their system. It was my understanding that the deannexation of the 40 acres of the Volk site, ` as fas the land swap with the City of Chaska was to swap out an equal amount of acreage so there would be no additional sewage capacity. If the swap idea would meet approval of the regional agencies and if both councils agreed to whatever is being proposed, it's possible. It seems — to me, since the Council meeting I have not spoken to the City Manager about this. I am not aware of the letter . - Siegel : In respect to the 1 mile limit on adjoining contractor yards, say we were to keep everything as it is and allow contractor yards by conditional use permit only, we would still have to change the zoning ordinance in order to accomplish what the petitioner is asking right because we're talking about a contractor's yard next to a contractor's yard and right now we ' re restricting them to a mile separation. - Dacy: As you recall from last year , when the Gardeneer made their application to operate their contractor's yard on the Volk site, we also processed a variance along with that request to the variance for the one mile requirement. That was granted based on the fact that Merle Volk's operation and the Gardeneer's operation was occurring on the same property. That was the basis for the variance. — Siegel : I guess my next question is, what's preventing the adjoining contractor's yard operator to come in with the same kinds of proposal that would appear for expansion for a ballooning effect of his - contractor's yard designation to include this type of a designation that we discussed as a zone? Dacy: If your question is what's to prevent him, the only answer is nothing . Siegel : So really that whole area , we could be faced with other — petitions from other owners of properties along that road to come in and do the same thing that Mr . Volk wants to do with his property? Dacy: If it ' s within the one mile requirement. . . Siegel : I guess I tend to see this as a real can of worms type of situation. Any action we take may have a worse effect than no action. — I see a lot of things that could come up. Haven' t come up yet but certainly sets one to thinking that there is a lot of possibilities that we could open by doing something like changing this to allow a - contractor ' s yard zone that we haven't even contemplated yet. I think the ideal situation would be the exchange of properties. As long as both communities are happy with it in allowing that property to develop as a A-1 industrial area, taking any chances with the spot zoning situation. Shirley Bowers made a statement that was not audible through the tape. Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 9 _ Siegel : But if you were looking at apples and apples, you could have _ buyers to that property sewer tomorrowed because it's zoned for Chaska Industrial use right and it is allowed right today to be sewered . Wildermuth: Barbara, what are the disadvantages for creating a rural — industrial district of this property? It could include or exclude contractor ' s yards. Dacy: The Commission has to decide the extent of the use that you want to allow in that district. If you want contractor's yards plus any other types of uses or if you just wanted to limit it to contractor's yards. The disadvantages as I eluded to earlier in my presentation was that when you create a zoning district there's always the potential that there will be a rezoning application for that type of district someplace else in the city. — Wildermuth : But are you bound to grant that? This is a pretty unique situation. It's adjacent to another industrial park. Ultimately, 20 years from now , probably fate will tell , Carver Park is in Chaska and this will be a full blown industrial park. Dacy: That's correct. With any zoning district or any zoning — ordinance amendment, the city is not bound to approve it. My concern is that it creates a statement from the community that there are areas in the rural area that would be considered for this type of use such as — the business fringe district has a number of things that allow you to look at placing that district someplace else. The pros that I identified were that you can by establishing a district go beyond the _ current standards that are in the ordinance and establish as many standards as you want for exterior buildings, for storage, landscaping, screening objectives. You can create a district that really tailors the type of development that you want to occur . — Wildermuth: I guess that's what I would favor. Creating a rural industrial district that would go as far as Tim is proposing to limit _ or preclude any other contractor's yards in Chanhassen. I guess I wouldn't favor creating a rural industrial district with limited use recognizing that it ' s not served by city sewer . Noziska: I'm still wrestling through my mind with what positive impact this is going to have for Chanhassen and I have trouble with that. One of the reasons we scattered those contractor's yards out as — much as we did was to limit the impact on the environment. Now all of a sudden we're going to stick them together. To intensify this type of use, some people have already figured is a questionable use of the _ land, somehow to me doesn't seem to hold water. When we start putting together 9,000 square foot barns and put in a variety of people or businesses in there that require obviously water and sewer to some extent, I really think to do that in a rural district without city — sewer and water , is not a set goal. I just keep thinking that. Then I keep thinking about attorney man hours this might create. I think that - Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 10 a precedent is something we have to consider. If we go ahead and go for this spot zoning, so to speak, which in my mind is not planning, simply a reaction to one man's request. I'm wondering if we're not opening ourselves up to one hell of a big can of worms that by the time we work our way out, we'll be very sad we jumped into it. So, I somehow think that we're still lacking some informatin. I don't — understand why if Chaska has written us a letter nobody knows about it as far as the land exchange. If that land is going to be used for that particular purpose, I vote it should be city sewer and water. Having - a common land exchange with Chaska, that doesn't bother me. Whether it will intensify use i.n the rural district without some organized sewer and water, I just can't go along with. I think that Barbara brought up a good plan when she said that there is a potential for a significant economic impact to the occupants of this 8,000 square foot homeowner. In the future, should it be deemed that city sewer and water needs to be put in. Then the very people that we are trying to keep in the city — will be forced out anyway. I don't think it's planning. I think it's reaction. I kind of have an objection in my own mind to sort of what appears to be a lack of communication or understanding with Chaska's position and ours. After all, we've got a lot of lineal feet and we have to coexist with them and I guess I wouldn' t want them to do something on our borders that would be detrimental to their program. I know what they havewhat they have in place right now and I would surely — think that would be a very nice industrial park there if this, and I don't think regardless of screening of fences and this and that, I'm not sure how we could turn the so called styles next to... So those — are the things that are bouncing through my mind and I think perhaps we need to hear more about this land exchange. If we're going to do something like this , I would just as soon not walk to the edge of the cliff and jump off of it only to find that the water is only 2 feet deep. I'd first like to put a pole down the water to find out what we' re getting into before we jump into this . — Jay Johnson : The land use change is not for this property. It's a different 40 acres . Conrad: Is everybody clear on that? The land exchange is for property west of where the pole barn has been requested to go up. The land exchange that Chaska would take or we would swap is not part of where we would zone this district. It is to the west. It's attached to it — right now but it is not part of it . Siegel : Who' s property is it? Conrad : The same . Siegel : I guess that ' s the confusing part about it . Jay Johnson: If an exchange did occur, this property, that other 40 acres would be applicable for the zoning because it's adjacent with the — rest of the property also. Planning Commission Meeting r'ovember 18 , 1987 - Page 11 Conrad : My comments are kind of brief. I'm real comfortable that Chanhassen has a liberal contractor's yard requirement right now. We're one of the few that allow them and I think we've heard a lot of negatives on allowing them. We do allow them and I think we're taking care of particular uses in town that can meet some of our conditions. I really don't see a need to liberalize it any further and I don't see a significant impact. We're not going to eliminate other contractor's yards. They are grandfathered in no matter what we do and with the — current ordinance I think we're fairly restrictive in adding new contractor's yards out there so I guess I'm not sure what, I feel real comfortable that Chanhassen is dealing with contractor's yards _ adequately right now. I'm not comfortable putting another zone, a more intensified zone like what we're talking about in an agricultural area. I'm concerned with the intensified impact that that would have on the land and again, I'm a proponent of, if there are contractor needs, I'm — a proponent of separating them by the current ordinance. I do like how that ordinance deals with it. I don't believe that this contractor's zone would be a buffer by any means. It would be a distortion of the word buffer. And I think there are better controls in other zones in the city that allow some of these similar uses. I think there are better controls in those zones and I wouldn't feel comfortable if we could come up with the proper zone and the proper controls in this particular zone to make it really work. I think I'm very in tune to what Howie and Bob said. I think we don't know what we don't know right now and I think that makes me a little bit uncomfortable at this — point in time. So my bottom line is I don' t feel we need a new zone to accomodate an intensified use of contractor's yards. I'm comfortable with how we're currently handling it. Let me just take a poll because we have to get some kind of, we don't have a motion in front of us. We have to give staff direction and I guess I want to see what direction we want to give staff. Tim, you're direction would be to come back with a draft of a zoning district and hold a public hearing if I were — to try to echo what you feel appropriate at this time . Erhart: My comment, I agree with Howie's comment. What's the benefit to the City? I think the benefits are two fold. One, if we do thi.s we can eliminate contractor yards in the other areas. To me that's a benefit. I don' t like contractor yards mixed in with essentially rural residential, agricultural. The second thing is I guess I'm a believer, and the second benefit is, this is an existing contractor's yard. It's unsightly and because of their desire to increase the intensity, we can go back at this time an force him to shield that — whole area with the proper landscaping. You're not going to get that opportunity unless the developer wants it. If they want something, we get something in return so to answer directly, I'm only in favor of _ doing anything as long as we can get both of those benefits out of it. Conrad : Bob, where are you at? In terms of directing staff, how would you do it? — Planning Commission Meeting November 18 , 1987 - Page 12 Siegel : I guess I would feel that although there are some better things and I can see that to possibly creating a zone, I see more question marks and potential for expansion of the request for this type of zoning, that we wouldn't really have much of a leg to stand on to refuse if we go ahead and do this for one property owner. The concept that we're going to eliminate contractor's yards throughout Chanhassen - except in one location I think is not realizing the full potential of the property owners coming in and asking for similar uses. I think the way we have it right now is the way it should sit. Conrad: Jim, in a word I think you said let's have a zone for it. Let's put it all together. You may go along with Tim. - Wildermuth: I think we've got an obligation to accomodate these interim businesses and in this particular case we're looking for an interim land use. Something that will ultimately be industrial land — use when city sewer reaches it. Conrad : And Howie , which direction? Would you keep it as is? Noziska: I think the ordinances are fine. I like that one mile separation. I think that unintensifies use in the rural district. I think intensification and globbing these sorts of activities together — is fine as long as you put the sewer there. I just don't think it does anything for rural Chanhassen and adds a great potential of liability or questions that will come up from other people and I don' t think — we're going to consolidate the contractor's yards. I don't think we want 2 or 3... As far as stringing them up, right now we've got the greatest however you ever want it and we can simply take the conditional use permit i.f they don ' t comply with our standards. Conrad: Based on my nose count here, I think there are more people in favor of keeping the ordinance as is. Therefore, from the Planning — Commission's standpoint, we're not going to direct city staff to do any drafting of the ordinance at this time or to hold a public hearing but I would imagine the applicant has the right to take it to City Council and get their input and they can give staff direction to either create an ordinance and have us review it with their guidance but at this time nothing from the Planning Commission in terms of more work. Why don't we go to the next item. PUBLIC HEARING: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST TO EXPAND A — CONTRACTOR'S YARD AND TO CONSTRUCTION A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT POLE BARN WITH A PROPOSED ACCESS DRIVE FROM CO. RD. 18 LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 117 AND COUNTY ROAD 18 , MERLE VOLK, APPLICANT. Public Present : Tom Hamilton Applicant ' s Representative Roger Schmidt OPTIONS 1 . 2 . 3 . MAINTAIN CURRENT CREATE A DISTRICT ORDINANCE A. B. Contractor' s Yard Contractor ' s Yard Contractor ' s Yard as a as a as a — Conditional Use Permit Permitted Use Conditional Use Permit <-- Non Contractor ' s Yard Uses? --> * Highest Degree of * Need to develop * Same as A. except Control Standards Conditional Use — Process - outdoor storage - building exterior * Create potential for district being - parking, street located elsewhere - septic use * Create potential - noise for ordinance amendment - light - traffic - site plan review , r A IIIIIIIIIIIILIIMI-D — 'h �� '':e- �. 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BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager _ FROM: Planning Staff ;Ate DATE: November 30, 1987 —,7n-e ���-1f_-17 [8t , SUBJ: Zoning Ordinance Amendments - Discussion j -��2 On October 28 and November 4 , 1987, the Planning Commission discussed several possible zoning ordinance amendments on sub- jects that had arisen during review of previous applications and subjects that the Planning Commissioners wanted to be discussed. The City Council should review and discuss the attached material in order to provide direction to staff for preparation of a zoning ordinance amendment. The following subjects were reviewed: 1 . 150 Lot Depth 2 . Fences 3 . Accessory buildings 4 . Treated wood 5 . Amateur radio towers 6 . Demolition debris disposal 7 . Architectural exterior standards 8 . Lot width requirements on cul-de-sacs and flag lots The attached report to the Planning Commission dated October 22 , 1987 , reviews each of the subjects in detail . The comments from the Commission on each subject have been added after each sub- ject. ATTACHMENTS 1 . Planning Commission report. 2 . Information on testing treated wood. 3 . Planning Commission minutes dated October 28 and November 4 , 1987 . CITYOF Ji . CHANHASSEN \ , 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 — (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM — TO: Planning Commission FROM: Planning Staff DATE: October 22 , 1987 SUBJ: Zoning Ordinance Amendments - Discussion The Planning Commission at the August 26 , 1987, meeting iden- tified several items for staff to evaluate for potential zoning ordinance amendments. The following addresses a majority of the items identified on August 26th ( the PUD discussion is not included — in this memo, but will be scheduled in the near future) . The Commission also wanted to hear maintenance staff comment on cul-de-sac islands . Jerry Schlenk, Street Superintendent, will be in attendance Wednesday evening to speak to this issue as to whether or not this would be appropriate policy. Review 150 Foot Lot Depth Requirement At the October 14 , 1987 , Planning Commission meeting, the Commission discussed this item and directed staff to prepare a map showing lot widths in existing subdivisions in the city. Attached is a map which for the most part pertains to those areas north of Highway 5 . — In those areas where lots were created as part of the old PUD ordinance ( Pheasant Hill , Fox Hollow, Hidden Valley, Triple — Crown, Chaparral , Chanhassen Estates and Near Mountain) lot widths tended to be smaller, 130 to 150 feet in depth because lot size requirements were below 15 , 000 square feet. In older sub- divisions of the city such as the north side of Lake Minnewashta, the west side of Minnewashta Parkway, and the area north of down- town, lot depths tended to average 130 to 140 feet. However, these subdivisions tended to have 100 to 110 foot lot widths to — maintain the 15 , 000 square foot lot size. Recent subdivisions that contain the 150 foot lot depth are Shadowmere subdivision, Saddlebrook, and the Curry Farms subdivision. This analysis points to the fact that despite the lot depth, the overriding determinant in lot depth will be the lot size require- ment. If 90 feet of frontage is required as well as 15 , 000 square — Planning Commission October 22 , 1987 Page 2 feet is required, at least 167 feet of lot depth will be created. The advantage of reducing the lot depth is to provide flexibility in subdivision design. As long as the minimum lot size requirement is kept at 15 , 000 square feet either the lot width dimension or the lot depth dimension will have to be adjusted. 150 Lot Depth: The Commission agreed that the lot depth should be reduced to 125 feet. Fences The Planning Commission discussed amending the fence ordinance to prohibit barbed wire fences in the residential districts . The current Zoning Ordinance does not specifically prohibit barbed wire fences (Attachment #1) . The ordinance does prohibit fences with exposed barbed ends . The fence ordinance requires a fence permit for all fences installed for any other purpose other than an agricultural purpose. The Commission was concerned with barbed wire fences being used for the pasturing of horses in residential areas and also used on the larger residential lots to prevent trepassing. Staff recommends that the fence ordinance be amended to add Section 6-12-11 titled Prohibited Fences , which would state "The use of barbed wire fences is prohibited in the residential, commercial and industrial districts . Barbed wire fences are permitted in the agricultural districts . Barbed wire fences may be permitted in commercial and industrial districts with a conditional use permit. Staff wanted to make sure that the prohibition of the barbed wire fences was not in conflict with the Horse Ordinance . In review of the Horse Ordinance, staff found that the ordinance does not require any type of fencing. Therefore, preventing barbed wire fences for use with private or commercial stables in residential areas will not be in conflict with the Horse Ordinance. The Horse Inspector, Mr. Headla, has stated that electrical fences are preferred over barbed wire fences in that they are less dangerous to horses and to children attracted to the horses . Fences: The Commission agreed that fence ordinance should be amended to add Section 6-12-11, titled "Prohibited Fences" , which would state, "the use of barbed wire fence is prohi- bited in the residential, commercial, and industrial districts. Barbed wire fences are permitted in the agri- cultural districts. " The Planning Commission added the following sentence, "Barbed wire fences may be permitted in commercial and industrial districts with a conditional use permit. " Planning Commission October 22 , 1987 Page 3 Accessory_Buildings The Planning Commission requested staff to review adding a maxi- mum square footage for accessory buildings in the urban area. The Planning Commission felt that the current ordinance which limits accessory buildings to 30% of the rear yard area does not prevent large lots surrounded by single family development from having large accessory buildings that may be detrimental to surrounding properties . A typical urban lot has a 30 by 90 foot rear yard which equals — 2 , 700 square feet and 30% of this equals 810 square feet. Staff recommends that 800 feet be established as the maximum square footage for accessory buildings in the rear yard area for urban _ single family lots . Staff feels that 800 square feet will be adequate for most accessory buildings which are proposed on urban single family lots . Typically, the accessory buildings that are requested in the single family urban developments range around 120 square feet. Staff recommends amending Section 5 , Accessory Structures , by adding the following: 6-5-2 A detached accessory structure may occupy not more than thirty ( 30% ) of the area of any rear yard, provided that no detached accessory structure shall be placed nearer than 5 feet from any rear lot line, and provided that no acessory structure located in the RSF and R-4 Districts will be larger than 1000 square feet (Attachment #2 ) . Accessory Buildings: The Commission agreed that the sentence should be added to Section 6-5-2, that would state, "that no accessory structure located on the RSF and R-4 Districts would be larger than 1000 square feet. " Treated Wood Staff has contacted the Environmental Protection Agency and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency to receive information on treated wood. Staff has attached for review information provided by one company that makes treated wood for construction of buildings and docks , etc. (Attachment #3 ) . As of today, neither the Environmental Protection Agency or the MN Pollution Control _ Agency have determined that treated wood is harmful and that it should not be used when it comes in contact with water. Until further documentation can be provided, staff cannot recommend amending the ordinance to prohibit treated wood. Staff will con- tinue working with the MN Pollution Control Agency and the Environmental Protection Agency to determine how it can be proven that the wood is safe to use in water and to verify whether it is safe or harmful to the environment. Treated wood: The Commission agreed that an ordinance amend- ment is not required at this time until definite facts are — Planning Commission October 22, 1987 Page 4 available which determine that treated wood is harmful to the — environment. Attachment #2 is information on testing treated wood which the city could pursue if interested. Amateur Radio Towers The Planning Commission recently reviewed a conditional use per- mit for the addition of an antenna and a radio tower for a total of three towers on one urban single family lot. At the time of application, the Zoning Ordinance did not allow the city to limit the number of towers on a single family lot. The Commission requested staff to review the FCC regulations to determine whether or not we could in fact limit the number of towers on a single family lot. Staff and the City Attorney have reviewed the FCC regulations and found that the FCC regulations pre-empt the city regulations if the city regulations prohibit the installation of any amateur radio tower (Attachment #4 ) . The city is still permitted to regulate height, landscaping, aesthetic conditions and safety factors. There is nothing in the FCC regulations that pre-empt city regulations from limiting the number of towers on a single family lot. The important factor is that the city allow the applicant reasonable use with an amateur radio tower. Staff con- tacted an employee of the FCC in Washington, D.C. to confirm whether or not the city could implement an ordinance to limit the number of towers on a single family lot. The FCC stated that they do not regulate the number of towers, they only want to — ensure that the city allows the property owner reasonable use with an amateur radio tower. Staff feels that allowing a single family lot one amateur radio tower does permit the applicant — reasonable use. Staff recommends that the Zoning Ordinance be amended to limit the number of amateur radio towers and individual antennas to one per urban single family lot. Staff is recommending Section 21, Antennas and Satellite Dishes be amended as follows : Section 6-21-1 ( 1 ) No satellite dish or antenna shall be located within the required front or side yard setback. A maximum of one radio tower or individual antenna shall be located on an urban single family lot. Amateur radio towers: The Commission agreed that a section should be added limiting the number to one radio tower or one individual antenna in all residential districts. Demolition Debris Disposal The City Council requested staff to review standards for developers to follow when they remove existing structures on Planning Commission October 22 , 1987 Page 5 construction sites . The Council is concerned that there are no controls over where such debris can be buried. There are no — controls to prohibit them from being buried near streams , high water tables, etc. Staff has obtained regulations for demolition debris land diposal facilities from the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (Attachment #5 ) . These guidelines are used for projects _ involving more than 15, 000 cubic yards of demolition debris and which are open 12 months a year. The facilities that are regu- lated by the Pollution Control Agency are facilities used for municipalities, organizations, or individuals having substantial — volume of material from demolition construction projects including earth, rocks, stones , trees, old bituminous surfacing, concrete, bricks , lumber, plaster, metal , glass and plastic — building parts . The demolition land disposal facilities do not include wastes from operations of households , commercial establishments , institutions, industrial processes , agricultural facilities , and municipalities such as garbage, dead animals, — paper, food, beverage containers, tires, septic tank pumpings, etc. Although the Pollution Control Agency guidelines are for large facilities, some of the guidelines can be applied by the City for individual debris landfills. The following are regulations from the Pollution Control Agency which staff feels can be applied to individual debris landfills. 1 . The fill and trench areas of a demolition debris land dispo- sal facility are prohibited within the following areas : a . 1000 feet from the normal high water mark on a lake, pond,or flowage. b. 300 feet from a stream c . regional flood plain d . wetlands — e . within 50 feet of the property line 2 . An area where the high water table is within 5 feet of the lowest high water elevation. 3 . The demolition debris shall be compacted as densely as prac- tical and covered with a minimum of six inches compacted suitable cover material. 4 . Surface water drainage shall be diverted around and away from the landfill. Planning Commission October 22 , 1987 Page 7 2 . Enforce 90 foot lot width at proposed building line. 3 . Enforce 90 foot lot width at proposed building setback line but establish a minimum arc length along the cul-de-sac. 1 . This option maintains the current ordinance. After surveying other communities, it was found that this was a typical method for cul-de-sac lots . This option achieves the intent of creating adequate separation between adjacent structures . Any deviation must be processed as a variance. 2 . Staff designated this option as the "floating setback" option. It would permit the placement of the home anywhere on the lot where the 90 foot lot width can be achieved. While this pro- - vides flexibility in lot design, it would be difficult to enforce and monitor . 3 . This option would require establishing specific minimum arc lengths along the cul-de-sac. However , this would in essence be the same as Option 1 in that the arc length established would determine what the lot width would be at the 30 foot setback line. Therefore, an arc length of 50-50 feet would dictate a 90 foot width at the setback line. Flag Lots - Flag lots are typically defined as those which have a narrow strip ( "handle" ) of property leading to the larger part of the lot ( "flag" ) . Usually, flag lots are not encouraged in urban service areas as they encourage double tiering of lots and are not conducive to efficient utility planning. However, flag lots have been approved in the rural area since the "handle" could become part of a future roadway. Further, on rare occa- - sions flag lots have been created in the urban service area depending on unique circumstances . Most municipal subdivision ordinances discourage flag lots for the reasons cited above. An option to consider would be to establish criteria or "situations" where flag lots would be acceptable ( rural area, topography, etc. ) . Another option is to continue the current practice of granting variances where unique circumstances exist. Lot width requirements on cul-de-sacs and flag lots: The Commission agreed that the lot widths should remain the same and continue to be measured at the front lot line and that flag lots should not be permitted. The Commission also stated that flag lots could be permitted only if there is a hardship that exists and that staff should provide guidelines, such as minimum widths, for flag lots. The graphics referred to earlier will be presented at the Council meeting. Planning Commission October 22 , 1987 Page 8 ATTACHMENTS — 1 . Fence Ordinance. 2 . Accessory Building Ordinance. — 3 . Information on Treated Wood. 4 . FCC Regulations . 5 . MN Pollution Control Agency - Demolition Debris Information. 6 . Planning Comission minutes dated August 26 , 1987 , and map of lot depths . 7 . Architectural standards from Minnetonka and Eden Prairie. . 1 ' 3 . Existing Porches. Porches that encroach into the — required front yard and which were in existence as of the effective date of the zoning code may be enclosed or completely rebuilt in the same location provided that any porch that is to be completely rebuilt must have at least a 10-foot minimum front yard. 11 4 . In Rear Yards. Subject to the setback re ts _ cited in Article VI, Section 5, the following are11 permitted in the rear yard: enclosed, open off-street parking spaces; accessory structures, toolrooms, and similar buildings or structures for domestic storage. Balconies, breezeways and open porches, unenclosed 1 decks and patios, and one-story bay windows may project into the rear yard a distance not to exceed five (5) feet. 11 SECTION 12 . FENCE AND WALLS — 6-12-1 Intent: The intent of these regulations is to provide standards for fences along the perimeter of lots that act as boundaries and/or barriers. 11 6-12-2 Permit: A fence installed for any purpose other than an agricultural purpose- shall obtain a building permit before _ installation. 71 6-12-3 Location: All fences shall be located entirely property of the - fence owner unless the owner of then the adjoining property agrees, in writing, that said fence may 71 be erected on the property line of the respective . properties. Such an agreement shall be submitted at the — time of building permit application. 11 6-12-4 Site Plan: A site plan showing location of the be submitted with the permit application. fence shall li e 6-12-5 Surveys: The Building Official may require a fence application to provide a registered land survey permit establishing property lines. 11 6-12-6 Construction and Maintenance: shall be constructed in a substantial , workmanlike emanner and of 11 material reasonably suited for the purpose for which the fence is proposed to be used. Every fence shall be maintained in such condition as to not become a hazard, eyesore, or public or private nuisance. All fences shall be constructed so that the side containing the framing 11 supports and cross pieces face the interior of the fence owner's lot. Any fence which does not comply with the 11 provisions of this Ordinance or which endangers the public safety, health or welfare shall be considered a public nuisance. Abatement proceedings may be instituted by the Iproper City official after fifteen (15) days notification, -96- i SECTION 2 . OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINES Installation of overhead transmission lines in excess of 69 kilovolts shall require the issuance of a conditional use permit through any district located in the City. The City Council , in addition to the standards established in Article 3 , Section 2, may also impose other conditions as deemed necessary to protect the public health, safety and welfare. SECTION 3 . NOT MORE THAN ONE PRINCIPAL BUILDING ON A LOT '- In any single family detached residential district not more than one principal building shall be permitted to be erected on a sinc.1 building lot. Grouping of buildings in other districts may only permitted by conditional use permit. SECTION 4 . TEMPORARY STRUCTURES AND USES The City may authorize as a conditional use the temporary use of a structure or premises in any district for a purpose or use that — does not conform to the regulations prescribed for the district . which the property is located, provided that such use is of a necessary and temporary nature and does not involve the erection ,,,QI a substantial structure or substantial alteration of the premise; The City Council may grant a conditional use permit for such use for not more than 12 months. SECTION 5. ACCESSORY STRUCTURES 6-5-1 A detached accessory structure, except a dock, shall be located in the buildable lot area or required rear yard. c accessory use or structure in any residential district shall be located in the required front or side yard. 6-5-2 A detached accessory structure may occupy e thirty percent (300) of the area of any rear yard, thanp ovided that no detached accessory structure shall be placedthan five feet from any rear lot line. 6-5-3 In any residential district, no accessory building or _ structure shall be erected or constructed prior to the erection or construction of the principal or main building, but may be erected simultaneously. SECTION 6. SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS All single family detached homes shall : 6-6-1 Be constructed upon a continuous perimeter foundation that meets the requirements of the State Uniform Building Code. -89- fir_ d . .. 7..-<4\ .• • . .. • . . .. tell smose® . . 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Our shorelines are constantly in a state of Osmoses pressure treated timbers, piling 9• _ flux. Nowhere is change more dramatic than in and lumber are ideal for building erosion con �, F r:C-i-- ` - this interface between land and ocean. The trol structures.That's because Osmose has i i: . ,i; -'- ; �Constant actions of wind and current remove, - s= •-sZ• i carefully researched the problems and, just as ` 97`.- '�" , --:and replace, countless tons of material daily. carefully, introduced a marine-grade wood r# I — Control of these effects to retain and reclaim product to withstand the extremet' t • '; o service and '1-'r : . �-__. property is a never.ending battle against exposure conditions of salt-water en- fit: r `� •i. :• I ` elemental forces. vironments. Current.wave action,marine -- ' ,y • _ .f' '" While build-up ot.land masses is highly . . gh y borers...aA have little, if any, effect against ''""'-�y �' `' - -_desirable,erosion is a problem of major pro- Osmose Wood Products. portions. Erosion, in this context, is removal - of solid materials from waterfront areas. In an effort to slow f .:.1,`� down and stop 'W'.�: `= -� p these damaging r�' ,.- •";7..r e E:4'J' '-'� C.: , forces, science and technology are continuing �t,1. . J 30 i '.},. r i r'+!'�.f.; <` '1 i to address this wide-spread problem. Man- - a „, i << made structures,at this juncture, can only + _ _ .r s _ '` yr thi i .�`" delay the ultimate goals of Mother Nature. � `1S i` �' --rr� '""�" That's why it's vital to the success of any ero- i �T _ _ ' J�''� `' {-l� �r sion control project to select materials . 'ter �°`'""r� ` ;"' designed to withstand these effects. v • '�"" r`•✓. a * f • .. !--at. -I. /e. its i j �/s� •J 's• �l{,- *yti' tab..„, .:,..,,... ,.., i ..,... ki•Ili ,. .20,-: ' 's4-# • -1 '?` vl,.a 6' - lit' - iti - - - r� '�-� �` , Sri ail. �'' t— �~I ..' ;r !,'ice - - —� . — t'-,,-,1 : ; . : . lot , • _•.. . ,.,ry,rv-krauww...•••••••,.."!......0 .ar,viraa -,-•••••-...-_-.,.. ku 1.. _ >•-' r: biro. _ I, • t r t,��� *fir it �f +1,1.7:_ �. ++ v „- 1 ., ..r.;,,,.., . • • s;j1-'.1'4 '' '''...144:, '.- • BULKHEADS AND SEAWALLSos Protect Banks _ and Bluffs From ��LTi;K CLOTH Erosion �TONGL1E4 f.00�VE _ t •BUILD HIGH ENOUGH TO PREVENT 'iNi .' -.. \ SHIP L- T 1 Nca SPRING TIDES FROH PUSHING WAVES +"� -. �,1\p4 THE TOP OF SEAWALL O0. - Jam. --''-- OVER — •ADO ROCK RIP RAP Ar THE TOE OF C • - • 7J�//A SEAWALL TO PRE VENT SCOURING 'nL 'Fill- • t. / - i,►AS-G\I���...yyy��'y •. '� ACTION OF WAVf5 and r r +ll__ 4fk.e 4 ' I'd — •GRILL', WEEP HOLES ' , •f�dow',1 '•, rt1r:i. •1j;-..S�.i1 OLES NEAR BASE OF J `� ;= ,- r . SEAWALL TO REDUCE ExCESS,vE SOIL - - - - i PRESSURE AND FOR DRAINAGE OF htlp prawn- •.rt;' it �_'" GROUND WAFER �,np •``h.- !�. • ' •CONSIDER RUNNING FILTER MATERIAL J r -":' >2 'UP THE GRADE AS WELL AS BEHIND ♦ - ` ^ SEAWALL TNG WILL RETAIN MORE at TIMEHATERIAL OVER A LONG PERIOD OF 1�WEEP 5 - .A-•• _� • Fr I 1 — •I'AKE PR ECAUTI ,U relICYP. pfYA,�jLJr �f/a/ �I F SION AT THE ENDS F SEAWALL OR NT ER0- , '�}�� BULKHEAD Il/[� � .1 i a.r. -- • ..r- • „ . ....., :,,,,-, .. . Protection In Th Main Envi t .,_ „...:,.., ..... There Is No Exposure Condition Which Presents -— "'~�Yr• A Greater Hazard To Wood Than Salt Water Use. Osmose Wood Products offer manyadvan- '�F' When you consider the complexity of the On the leading edge of wood preservation =-tages to the property owner. Especially in the intertidal environment,it's not too surprising technology,the people at Osmose are work- -;- marine environment-,decay,and corrosive ef- to find out that ordinary wood just doesn't ing successfully to eradicate wood's inherent ±;c,fects of salt water and wood-destroying stand a chance. Continual wet/dryand -'"*.',marine organisms multiply the weaknesses.We've known for a long time that p y problems faced freeze/thaw cycles promote decay and strut- our treated wood doesn't rot or decay.And, -A:'- by ordinary, untreated wood. Osmose pro- tural failure. Marine borers destroy the wood the preservative protection built into every '- '^— ducts,with a built-in resistance to marine from the inside as well as the outside” Once piece of Osmose wood will hold wood- hazards,can provide a timely and effective the wood is weakened by these organisms,the destroying marine organisms at bay for a ` -,- solution to water-oriented construction" ebb and flow of tidal forces can erode and long, long time, , ' :. _ weaken the wood until it quite literally The technology is already in place and work_ . disintegrates, ing for you. Our unique Osmose pressure - - Molluscan . treatment process and oxide-pure preservative -j= Y resultsor to ordinary in a product far superi ,c:','- Group Enters Timbers untreated wood;retains the strength of wood TEREDO and the workability of wood minus the severe .4 t;,� . & Destroys Interior f' (Shipworm) r y problems and environmental risks of other -, Y PHOLADS i Some Species Destroy ,r a treatment processes. ,_, >_ Z-,-"s' Concrete, Soft Rock ' Crustacean v L ._ 1.1, Group -Destroys Timbers ;.:. �'-By Surface Action '' . ,� LIMNORIA .�"�fSPHAEROMA - • Species Will Destroy CHELURA -` .. T ` - -�F Creosoted Timbers _ :k - -_ ` ..cam -.st.-'t'"-._g'�B .�, fffl!rl — ~ ill 'iI' 1 l,f � ram, `� y I`' ( �. ,�'��)� ��I(.I+� (l ��I/! 7//7J i l l%, i-.c:1,er o"= -•.�• rFJ ? Ca I , //yT I/;///T//.,I ' .Y�l �R. BREAKWATERS Reduce The Energy7HKEE-PILE NMAN6EMENT to make structure less porous Gtp55-gfZgGING of Incoming Waves kw, — and Protect Your Beachfront _ -. - �hr>!s do •PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED.A Kt1l313EK II,E5 '!. . '� '.,1 BREAKWATER WILL SLOW wATER MOVE- ON T1EA V 3 V MENT S iN REASIND DEPOSIIALS TION TIMBER ILJrS '!�. _ .`-i ' - `�,as' SETTLE OUT INCREASWGOEPOSITION I ;� iti 1�� •BUILD PARALLEL TO THE BEACHERONT 1a� — CUR RE INCOMING WAVES OR � l�t - .�iirtmoloc Imo.i f. - . CURRENTS ARE SEVERE IF THERE 6 SAND IN THE FLOW MATERIAL WILL FILL -j �• •• T. '� 'N BEHIND THE STRUCTURE ` - �'.' • � � . •1 � •PROVIDE ROCK RIP RAP AT THE TOE \ • = ��` ,_ �...c� � OF POUR BREAKWATER AS WFTL AS ,\ I. I,Y 4''` — SOME METHOD OF ANCHORING IF SOIL rt A�LI�R ��• _ CONDITIONSPRFVENTDRIVINGPILINGS /����Y�y I1 `�+ �•\41 .,ii-. ,,,i�'7 T�•S � T f� TO AN ADEQUATE DEPTH $Mr215ApG 71 �� p v,-.ter - 7 per- •! • ••.• ' .-��,�.• - AN • . •,,rF� ,'# ems:•...... .. 1 _1 rn LTEKy y't� b • ` �-- ; ,i.- - � > :\..i...••••try['�T •" - s�-.-to. II C I• ' r � ti i%t ' . 0111'�CHt71D MN i •I i Osmose Protected Wood Products...Superior Performance In The Marine Environment. The waterways and beachfronts of America The high quality, 100% oxide-pure Osmose s e, +,•' ---- ;;:.:._are littered with pieces of docks,pilings and preservative is fixed permanently within the .p, .7- - 174-,. • other flotsam. This littoral wreckage isn't wood fibers,so it will not leach out,reducing P p` "' r�� _pressure treated wood. Even with allbonding r- its effectiveness. This eliminates the `c y , '`- � =the elemental forces workingagainst Osmose - ' ... .r��'� '_____.-:- Osmose " gai question of pollution,ecological damage and - is .E :1 .. Wood Products, the protection we put into hazards to health. u� sa;��■«F a•�.... wood is permanent,serving day after day, ���►2f����:•:!�la..cr•_.,.::: t year after year. —�� F, "Ti(t:"�Z. • Any Marine Construction Worth Building Is --f -- --- Worth Osmose Wood Products. . 'tea '�j „.,.�. . The unique conditions of marine construe - non call for products that fulfill very specific - AWP Q _ objectives. Primary requirements are: - c 1 1 ,y Resistance-the ability to withstand elemental STANDARD RE TE A'�'IONS ;'= = 11�\ILv7 ri deterioration; Integrity-the ability to function i effectively as a unit of the whole;and Strength- 4 to hold the line against physical and biological Applications Retention' Typical Uses forces. — i Structures built with Osmose Wood Pro- Soil or Fresh Water � ;.4.:; s, Landscape ducts function againstPosts•L �, the forces of nature and Contact _�_. _`0 40 .Timbers, Grape Stakes! prove,time after time, that there is no (Non-Structural) 'Retaining Walls -substitute for quality.A graphic representation of several types ---ter,` _�- of shoreline protection is il- XSoil or Fresh Water . �i f ---o � lustrated below. Take the time to examine '"Contact : ' " ` �{` oo ,..a.ons these structures and decide for yourself the T Structural ( j A 60,E `,F uilaing Poles ,.,,,..� type to suit your particular needs.Then, ' ''- .'�" � n. r, ;`�= _ •i specify Osmose marine-grade Wood - Piles-Soil or Fresh L ''' r Products...you can't buy a better pressure -•z ^--� -- - -y- treated wood, anywhere. Water Contact 0 80 -.Foundation- files (Structural) 1 � ', ..' -y• _ 'v - '. - -,..i..-: �' -.. �-iE''y.�ez•` 2-''spa a. r • 1 ^e�••r{• R+.� zi'� S I 11:+., ,I' ic : t Water ,T ,ram y . j1 *Pounds per cubic foot. Minimum retentions conform to standards of _ 6 j -T-:., ._- -_ ; the American Wood-Preservers'Association. K 1'x ;_ GROINS t.._ • Where Longshore Currents - Are extreme �� - ,;,a:-=.. -. =� ., . =. - '1-1 6 •CONSIOE0.GROUP CONSTRUCTION OF GROINS COMPAR TMENTS TRAPtorNeataiNo, ' � • 6 — MATERIgLS MOVING IN LONGSHORE ;..CURRENTS , `�f�'� f6 l ; y •��_•SPACE GROINS TWO TO THREE TIMES cA,1►•��y��nnC� ' ' '� �"7 t • ' HIV V I Rt+r r[,i/ \ '- s r'- �. ., �w• '•-TDivUE 4 •SPA LENGTH TOO CLOSE THREE Tim ••' � , �� E— R00 KS ACCUMULATION TOO FAR AND i���Ly II•wNED w INEFFECTIVE BY GROINS . ' • �� grim �:.V'--/ 'kill *STRUCTURES SHOULD BE NO HIGHER \ '� '°' q �� jam, THAN THE NORMAL BEACH ONCE �' - '• \ Rrj�r� FILLED.SAND TRAPPED IN COMPART- C^o^n�s .�< •-•'st 3 �r ;� E�I1 1 MENTS OVERFLOWS INTO ADJACENTT,r_ ` -� ' " .��/ ,I 4 r tuNU UNITS e�dR .'7 I, I - ���11L7p "'BUILD FAR ENOUGH OUT INTO THE .. •' -r` J I I I �" WATER TO ACCUMULATE SAND BUT �7` :.:-V �y�"II,I� :I I��i �� NOT SO FAR AS TO CAUSE CURRENT `\\••. L -���".y�yiasio •I uurr — RIPS OR COMPOUND EROSION PRO- *YI(W�.r�1►�/�lc�or 1? I I .+I BUMS DOwN-CURRENT FROM YOUR ^i. RVe j 1 I l CONSTRUCTION I` I t *BUILD TO A POINT THAT STORM -�� -stit„ •':'i - wavES Rl NOT WASH AROUND T}# • _ SHORE END OF THE STRUCTURE. F I • _ f EspeciallyIn The Marine Environment, ' Choosing The Right Wood For The Right Job Is Critical. SALTS vs. OXIDES. There are basically two SPECIFICATIONS 7z-= � z _� types of CCA wood preservatives: Salts and .,IAyx,: . -, Oxides. The Salt formulation is a chemically in All timbers,lumber and piling marketed • : k�= :r;.? *P•4 s ` ? ferior CCA preservative because of impurities under the Osmose name are pressure treated • �,,t �k�} ��- � _ in the ingredient mix. These chemically inferior with 100% oxide-pure Osmose preservative. l slgredients, when used for wood treatment, This preservative meets the American Wood- �.• �.;� �• ' Y :' . ' bloom to the surface to produce unacceptable Preservers'Association Standard P-S and �''',` i residues which can corrode metal fasteners and — Federal Specification TT-W-S50. Osmose xF.< 4.• - .. -,244-.4 '=: leach into the environment. •_'-1__ preservative is applied into the wood in a • r +" t `= OXIDES vs. OXIDES. Even among oxide dosed cylinder by a unique vacuum pressure Ih •` - ''. j formulations there can be a significant dif- "t`,••• .` -,:•` ference quality. That difference is in the — process in accordance with the approved stan- • ,z:i. �, : '-. .- - . " =:_.,' =: of the oxidepreservative ingredients. dards and recommended treating practices ; •? .,•._-.,.- .:-.;.�= purity gr r r•:~� C "4'r,��L , '• �.• Unlike low-grade oxide covering specific wood products as listed in the t� < gra preservatives. Osmose AWPA Standards Manual. • "' is the highest purity 100% oxide CCA-C ._ " The retention of Osmose preservative for _ • _ _ — ' - -- preservative available in the wood preserving lumber,timbers and piling used in salt water is �,' ��r-! •-',,,.� industry• While low quality treated wood r;::,. specified for the particular use. For additional - \ • products face a growing liability, Osmose : . - uses, please consult the table for AWPA Stan- �-`` wood products are dean and safe. — dard retentions to select the proper retention -a- �••-• t-- for your particular use. Technical questions? -y •f ;v \' '`fir' !�'�.+4� ��• :�F' --1 For all the answers, call our toll-free number: "`` ' 19 #\ F• j' j.� :E -800-522-WOOD �4_ -"" _-_ ~� •- � • • ., •, __ •,.---.,.. ..,-.-.Y4r- --:. -A--j.. --7.1.---'- .-- `:%."'Imzi__•... _,.....„ ::-....._ ...._... ._ . ... ,..: .:._... t., _ .„ ....,.t: 41, _ T.,„„ firt.3..1T._ -.,',.„.70E.: , 1 c.,- ,---- —%--ek a .r -z--. 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For Home Foundations - ::: .�..• :` eilltSrilOCca5' v Wood products 4'1%, N X- N'T-7. II) I) UCTION a zr. ill 1 r+cq.p.4„.•r ,. .ram .i- ,..., •.. I.;- . •_ THE FULL FOUNDATION WALL • THE PLEN-WOOD SYSTEM �,',:_ - - THE CRAWL SPACE • THE WOOD SLAB-ON-GRADE _ The wood foundation systems are,essentially,below- weaknesses of unprotected wood.With this kind of v f I i.i rN _ it."--• iik,./ / grade walls,crawl spaces,underfloor plenums and the protection,the extreme conditions presented by deep , `_ ++6 F.- ` r F' i 1 lifiljr-- -. - pressure treated wood slab...au constructed of ground contact will not affect the integrity ►ma y of construc- _ Osmose•'Wood Products.These are proven con- bons built with Osmose Wood Products. ��' _ struction systems,and a cost-saving alternative for Simplicity,durability and cost efficiency.These at- ; ,yi �� r budder and buyer. tributes of the wood foundation contribute to its grow- - ;-- r . The concept of the wood foundation is riot a new ng recognition as a highly adaptable and flexible method idea.However:the application of Osmose wood of construction.In residential,light commercial and • +cam preservation technology has made the theory of viable non-buddng construction.Osmose Wood Products are _• • +� ' '• wood foundations into a workable reality. the materials of choice for wood foundations. -' - 'r•'` There a also a growing awareness of the advantages Today,well over 30,000 homeowners are espying 9.x` ?� - J _ i _, of Osmose Wood Products.Because of these advan- the additional living space,warmth and economy of —�-.... t.--_V..r 43\;<s. 1, - �— cages,utilization of wood components are becoming wood foundation systems. • - more widespread in these substructures once believed `- tea',^'�'M' ' to be suitable only for brick or concrete. - _ ; For the wood foundation to be accepted as amajor - - - - - I y t ice' (Y1� f" �'- t ie �j- s building component,the mistaken notion that wood has a J.' �`' '� Y"r' r• itit'PP ' 040 11 't1� l r1,`�f ` r•r5" j • ! to rot,decay or be destroyed by termites had to be ! A• -t _1w^ti^• r :r y'1{�! �� corrected. The Osmose pressure treatment process. 4a • 17. ,'iit±Yi ? 1 !a tar; t I i-. by building in a high level of resistance,displaces the • �`- _ 1111 �tY4 - ! • Fi i >E ° mac$ %gi ..i r.: t. - t i i 11, • ar •- yy : 4 iS+^ice� 1 =1.e�.T � ���" . 4( } '. • ale 1 1, itkithil±t•-• ' - ...— •-•-.:.-:-7..•....-_- - . • , .., . y .. - ,.... , t, itt. • r.,,, .. • �a }� ! �ttr ,yam►\\\ .. - f_ _ - t-. :ram-2 .• _ -L-_--._. _ - ..\..L t....C_._� _.`\.- sss _ _ _ - s. • _ , Full Foundation Wall Crawl Space The full foundation wall• footing plate and bottom _ The crawl soace should be constructed with Osma plate should be constructed with Osmose pressure 1i treated FDN marked lumber and plywood to head off 0. pressure treated FDN marked lumber and plywood. future problems. The full foundation wall can be es. The spacing of the framing members and size of the constructed on-site or prefabricated. °`•"-- / -- footing plates will vary for one or two-story homes. :�__--.L The crawl space can be built on a levelor sloping tern ! with equal ease. - ._'.-_� 7 S — .__ !11IF—: ..... • ..... Air . , . ,-: • tie , I Fc)u .... .. _,.._ NID)ATI(111 'et-% S .... ......,.....r.....n ..7. ,....0.,....,.....i.„ .. ..v irt.4-:1C-1.J -I• It kr ,;,-,,.. ..--4../......i or.4;,.I- 1 ' -: .v •i'i en".1,• ,- ,,i• .ii- .. ".4 • I ' •:Y.-..t'A'...'.%.• %. V.6-.':%I.4:..3:..,N-7.., ... vs.,ik--::__.91 1. _ i .1- .. t,-,.-r-4-iii-..:";r47iti-e, , .1:1-:,i-A.-.:...."---...-. 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The plen-wood system is essentially an \ 2 _. 0,11 i 0,.......... underfloor air distribution system.The total crawl ./ 411111 ---'w"• _ • space is utilized as a plenum to circulate warm or cool ,•_pir:E' ___ _..... ..- 01••••••...NO ... air to floor vents in each room.Expensive ducting _ .... is elrninated. It_• I •I I •......*"...'.. I-1 - • 'VW...I 4,..., .., .....". - --- - --"---w•-• _,0-,. . ,- -.`""'-•"•-•••••••••--• '-- .... -4.T. :"-----...-----..- --..-- --- IlliVecidg CUM,MCI - - • - li"Iu.-."mlu.... -1"--'''''''-'-------.-.._ • . .j WOOD FOUNDATIONS...CLEAR-CUT ADVANTAGES -4 FOR BUILDER AND BUYER ''�- ' _' There's no question that wood foundations are •EASY TO CONSTRUCT- , r"�'y ,'vWood foundation systems 'T+k ,' tt t-.''. / \ •-.. '-.,�� L_ -' superior systems:engineered and toted under actual are easy to build.simple to install and simple to man -T :E's: ' ' " "--- service conditions.Builders like the systems because tarn.You don't have to be an engineer to comprehend1''-ii k •+' •��- .� L- they offer tine and cost saveg'r' f"�'g advantages over con- the value of a wood foundation • �, .. !Li • '? system.It's wood,easy -ii.. .:�•'. creme and masonry.Homeowners like the systems �.;.:+:r�.::it • - ygy savings and to work with and even easier for the home owner/do- .s s,-' because of comfort.livabilit . 1 . . �•� l K-yourselfer to fnish.Additans,remodeling,plumbing 1 x`.�.a4-'t� r, ease of maintenance. and electrical work are simplified.And.any one ' � a;.•- - •COST EFFECTIVE-No special labor requiremernts, of the wood foundation systems can be constructed - .. 'x-.: `• ' ' - fewer man hours and matenads translates into substantial on-site or prefabricated. >•.. - savings.Costs for a ful basement vrall are almost always • ` • considerably less than a comparable masonry found} \ _„- w { normal wood foundation can be handfed by a \' !` _`N i' -a ma's' ?•' small crew of carpenters,often n less than a day. � v�;,,, ' _� j %iW.,'"-t'4411111.111/1MMIMMI=MII Shorter constnution tines mean bvver expense r r �� �'` ',, • ~and a .-)e s►t' r7 .: I better deal for builder and buyer. 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Osmose preservative and FLAME fungi. certain species of insects and marine PR{]OFn LHCTn fire retardant are utilized | s"8mxwms. /o make wood Cnulv an � throuehoucthmL �� tedStatesand (�aoadafor buildingbuildingmaterial,. it must be protected� inthe ~treatment of wood products. some manner, . lheuniqu� {]smosepressunatreatment | Out of the technology of the twentieth cen' process preserves wood bv forcing aopeci� ' ~ ^ � - ' turyvvas developed asuccessful method for |DD96 oxide-pure vvater 'rnepreservative protecting and preserving wood, further adding deep into the cellular of voo d to its desirability asaviable and long-term Thisvacuun_pressure process fommoa |each- | building material. ]snose��wood isaproduct resistant bond with the wood, producing producing a of that technology, a pioneer in the field m{ superior and almost indestructible bui|dinQrbedr'--- '~�'^ ��~"' =' ` and now its material. Destructionbyn/cro-orgmisns. . ' - in- - � /| ��u/n� proponenr. sects and elemental deterioration, wu prev�en tSince 1934. ]ynmse has been a leader in the inuntreatedvoo�' eanicraasingraeachadd�ve|opn�ntofvoodprc�e recognition of the --'--- name and respect vacives. fire retardants and wood rncadn� for Jonose Wood Products. IT k 77 43 Res . . - �^ ~- � - � 71 ~owt f5i -- lei WOOD HAS TO DO A TOUGH JOB! • OSMOSE WOOD PRODUCTS TAKE THE PUNISHMENT ... - DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR! The Osmose pressure treatment process results in a problem-free product that will not pollute the environment,is pleasing in appearance and maintains the strength and workability of wood. - SUPERIOR RESISTANCE TO OUTDOOR EXPOSURE �'. The gray-green coloration of the wood is a _` result of the Osmose preservative treatment. ---., . Over a period of time, this coloration will '= diminish, changing to a pleasing driftwood gray. There is no need to paint or stain Osmose =_ Wood Products since the wood is protected .both inside and outside. However, if you desire "'`". ' to change the color of your structure, please , apply the paint or stain according to the :' manufacturer's recommendations. .,,,- CLEAN, ODORLESS AND SAFE Osmose Wood Products are clean, dry to the touch, with no offensive odors or irritating fumes. Osmose Wood Products are ideal for - • use anywhere wood is used in contact with - plants, animals or people. Osmose Wood - Products are used wherever environmental safety and cleanliness are prime considerations. THE "WET AREAS" OF YOUR HOME NEED EXTRA PROTECTION Special areas in your home deserve the extra — protection of Osmose Wood Products. These so-called "wet areas": kitchens, bathrooms and laundry rooms are highly susceptible to water damage and rot. Use of Osmose pres- sure treated wood products builds in protection in those critical areas. ,• �, OMNI e t�, T '�"ss., t ♦ i�ter.'?•-'s •!+f;"14 v- .}4" • � ,c- : - rr C '1/414414t-' .. i i 1 • 1"' ' s yr •ilk S; j .�I,��,� �I� �I' ! _:.• ice -: f�"L: - - �'�_'�.... `r',..". I�� _ -Ic- y� , �. rr •"�M. .1..�I�I �• i I �ilY I j ` ay ~ ...Af. .s': �•s:•. �.! .- :fir 4� r 'f ;i 4. �I ,.; , 1 i , } '�! 1 Pi. •t:. -L s :-� s�: ' .. I. -;'-or-. .7.i.'-,-- f ••• .. :260.j.-. _ ,„.,-''''. - , ' • I •1 , i 3' r Illit rilli: .. _ - 'F�'•" - - �: a'- .•y w�. �.; �� ,_ .�t ` _- a - },t"r ,r . r :•,:;:";-:;:`-rr%-1•7'‘A:...: w•,�'r+`` :61-7 ... — - . * ,F�;. :-- -4 .. _ fin'.. ram mo .+_,,; •, `' ; h t iy _ i ' .. tj",. «rw e.q . ,,.' y. •/`y} '.:. =", , °t_ 1 .ra m sa Y�Je 1,{r ? YYi. 1 d• , 'j -• \' ,i - ..j • . .1-. • _ram - • •1.• r, t. . -.�C'?t NI r.ya"."Nai"ri."..1..41+e••'..tM-J*E".'r.+.yiL 411.614;tgAia.SYurtr2amaYi U.I irAi E C.1��-iI �_u:;AK HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AND LONG LASTING, PLUS A 40-YEAR GUARANTEE ON ., ._ _ RESIDENTIAL AND FARM Wood Preservatives Stake Test =~ APPLICATIONS. conm,bn OI •r SouUn Pins Shk•S AFTER AR T.TES .L.�^ D•eaT• Decay A•••.•• T..w..• Imams O.ea The bonding that locks Osmose -••• I•IR••I•• No I.T.H Dopy An•C4 Altbell F.ny. T.•wy. Ta .. RTw.* •~' •:•• preservative into the cells of the wood c�srnose .52 • is permanent. Wood stakes treated with 37 •••••• 0 0 0 O 0 0 0 uwu.Tec _ Osmose preservative are still in good G,,,Tr '_� condition after 40 years in Geoaae 8.3. •�• O O •"' '— O -- I •• ? • ground contact. _ 5•.n 8.2 ... O O •• O • .• . THE OSMOSE 40 YEAR "" •• LIMITED WARRANTY 8 0 ••" O • ••• , r.G•MtlCMp 12 o 0 0 _ 0 ••••. ,,,.e a .••• .. . .. Lumber warranted by Osmose must He'"Gasod 7.9 •• O • f RAM.5%cenn. ... 0 •••. O 0 • ' —• ! be used in a residential or farm application ...ow—. 12.0 , •••• •• •••• I —' i to be covered under the terms of the °°'""`"" •' warranty. The table of retention levels in this brochure will indicate that 0.25 pcf treated lumber covers 1 residential use ABOVE GROUND: while 0.40 pcf treated lumber can be used in GROUND CONTACT or FRESH WATER CONTACT only. For your warranty to remain valid, we suggest that you check with your dealer to — make certain that the product you buy is correct for the intended application. Remember to look for the bright yellow Osmose end tag or the ink stamp on 4.... each piece of lumber. It's your assurance of quality, safety and durability. ��•� �" 4M ti.. ,.7". .*NvIA, .. , ..,,i .... --::„.,:z.........„......4.vs, .., ... . ... ......, . ...,, .. , .. .—.7.1 4. , ,.,... ..,_., .. _......,....•0„ .... , . .. _ , , . . _ .... ...., ...... ..,.,„ _ • •,_..0.5.k.5-, .%14a.,,..1 I..., .- ____fr....,,,-, , ,_,..,..;__:.s. , _ _ _,.„..,..... _ ..,...„„ _.„ ,„ *.,..., ,.;iiViMe':-. 1*.Z.tz.' ...,,_. .. .: �.i7 v MTh • S - +... ,� ` . i _ • . �t E ' Ja i' EbrF _- Fes'' .:1.Iv • �� .. • ,;. . f I •Ip II III'- 1' it. !� 1 1.1 1 111141't rglititiri,-. - ir 4, . _ _ _.. ,.. _ . .. ._ i ._ — e a• -... - I t_ I O)smose R)�� -ammo a wood products • OSMOSE QUALITY IS A GOOD INVESTMENT... NOW, AND FOR THE LONG-TERM! Structures built with Osmose Wood Pro- of choice for residential construction. A sound — ducts have a decided edge over those built home is a sound investment. with ordinary, untreated wood. From a finan- Osmose Wood Products can lower the risk cial point of view, an Osmose home or building to the lender, builder and buyer, as well as hav- — is a sound investment, returning sizeable long- ing a pronounced effect on insurance rates. term gains for the owner. The investment potential and the peripheral• _ In simplistic terms, Osmose wood's values of building with Osmose have shown a — resistance factors build in supra-ordinary dramatic increase in the longevity of the struc- benefits. Longevity, the major feature of ture as well as returning a sizable dividend at Osmose wood makes it the building material the time of re-sale. PL500 DECK PL500 Deck and Treated Lumber Adhesive is a t` �x l AND -;;��:.. - s TREATED special formulation for pressure treated wood. The • .. . LUMBER Osmose approved PL500 adhesive provides a better !'* ADHESIVE and safer way to build. Using this advanced, adhesive - - -_- — product you can achieve a more appealing, smoother surface for your deck, patio or outdoor project. You can use fewer nails, and fewer nails will make a more attractive project. Wood — ,, , ,,ter, splintering is minimized. Nail heads popping up "w • from the surface to snagtoes or clothing will "�' U � .: :Ju ° be a thing of the past. PL500 cures to a super k . c ` DatTr L'i C * — ' ,,, `,""'e"...r. -- • " l strongbond. Ask for PL500 wherever • - - -. Osmose Wood Products are sold. OSMOSE WOOD PRODUCTS. — LIMITED ONLY BY YOUR IMAGINATION. The versatility and adaptability of Osmose - - Wood Products are limited only by your imagination. Osmose pressure treated timbers, lumber and plywood are suitable for many different decorative and structural applications. RESIDENTIAL - Patios. Balconies. Trim. „s — Siding. Sill Plates. Foundations. Fences. Decks. '` ,; . ` ' .- Wet Areas. -'' .=;; :3: -. i ,��, - INDUSTKIAL - Warehouses. Shipping Ter- " ' " t, ` ; r� `"`. f . minals. Wet Process Industries. Loading Docks. `L.,*Al f "' l' ,4Il,. �f — Pallets. .•_ --�,: •_ RECREATIONAL - Playground Equipment. ' 3 1. Stadium Seating. In-Ground and Above Ground • '' die. `- "" Swimming Pool Framing. Walls and Decking. - ��\*' Outdoor Furniture. Amusement Parks. AGRICULTURE - Barns. Livestock Ramps UTILITIES - Crossarms. Distribution Poles. and Enclosures. Fence Posts. Pole Buildings. — Light Poles. Barricades. Arbors. Equipment Storage Sheds. Plant LIGHT CONSTRUCTION - Office Stakes. Greenhouses. Buildings. Churches. Stores. Shopping Malls. MARINE - Floating Docks. Decking. Step RAILROADS - Ties. Platform and Car Stringers. Engine Beds. Boat Storage Sheds. Decking. Sign Posts. Poles. Fence Posts. Piling. Cradles. Sea Walls. Jetties. Piers. Piling. Groins. Bridge Timbers. LANDSCAPING - Bulkheads. Retaining — GOVERNMENT - Highway Guardrails and Walls. Tables. Benches. Patios. Edging. Steps. Sign Posts. Picnic Tables and Shelters. Beach Decks. Planters. Gazebos. Decorative Fencing. Houses and Boardwalks. Outdoor Furniture. END-COATING FOR WESTERN SPECIES SPECIFICATIONS SALTS vs. OXIDES. There are basically two End coating is recommended for all hard-to- All timbers, lumber, pilings and plywood types of CCA wood preservatives: Salts and treat Western Species. All freshly cut or ex- marketed under the Osmose trade name-are Oxides. The Salt formulation is a chemically in posed surfaces, bolt holes and machined areas, pressure treated with 100% oxide-pure ferior CCA preservative because of impurities i.--, should be liberally coated with a special preservative. This preservative meets the in the ingredient mix. These chemically inferior Osmose preservative available from your American Wood-Preservers' Association Stan- ingredients, when used for wood treatment licensed Osmose treating plant. dard P-S and Federal Specification TT-W-550. bloom to the surface to produce unacceptahka Osmose preservative is applied into the wood residues which can corrode metal fasteners and '-- in a closed cylinderby uniqueleach into the environment. APPROVALS a vacuum- OXIDES vs. OXIDES. Even among oxide pressure process in accordance with the ap- formulations there can be a significant dif- Fed. Spec. TT-W-550 and TT-W-57I; proved standards and recommended treating ference in quality. That difference is in the practices covering specific wood products as purity of the oxide preservative ingredients. Federal Housing Administration; Department— of Housing and Urban Development; Veterans listed in the AWPA Standards Manual. Unlike low-grade oxide preservatives. Osmose Administration; American Association of State The retention of Osmose preservative is is the highest purity 100% oxide CCA C specified at 0.25 pounds per cubic foot of preservative available in the wood preserving Highway and Transportation Officials; U.S. _ Engineeringwood(Pcf/oxide basis)for moderate service Bureau of Public Roads; The Naval industry. While low quality treated wood prod Facilities Command; Corps of Engineers; Air (farm and residential construction)and 0.40 ucts face a growing liability, Osmose Wood Force; General Services Administration; pcf/oxide basis for severe conditions(farm and Products are environmentally safe' and clean. residential construction)such as in-ground or •W hers handled and used at,C m cordance.rch osose Eu rs dele American Wood-Preservers' Association; American Railway Engineering Association; All (non-structural) fresh water contact. The Model Building Codes; Many state highway specified retention for treated wood subject AWPA to severe ground contact(wood foundations. departments, local and city building codes. STANDARD RETENTIONS structural)is 0.60 pcf/oxide basis. The _ , specified retention for treated wood piles ppI o'i°"' Reion ° • Ttpic.l L.. t }y> '' (structural)subject to fresh water contact is Above Ground Deck,nq.Fencing. - ' 0.80 pcf/oxide basis. The specified retention ."' Uses 0 25 Sills.Radmes.joists .. .e. j � (-<c;= for treated ;__� t�,;.- 4SI. F wood subject a marine exposure Soil or tact water Posts.Landscape - : -- Contact 0.40 Timbers.Grape Stakes, — re._ ,; `-.s_ .• =-s , specified at 2.5 pcfioxide basis. INpnJtruqus.0 a• - � e s_ tr ,r_a- Reaming Walla r-/` t,•- t y e� � Cart•atX Vlatss �'� poi.aorta. i as�u yr i• .-i s� s* 7 ,..(Structural) -• gip. :3 — •':::1)�'- - - -- I;MINE1� • Piles-Sod a or Fresh —� /1 - deter Confect 0.80 Foundation Pdn �` - l y= "4. y ,•yam .r NM 'r•lh Sdt Watar�4sT' ��tc'tir-'�""ti.�. y0. at"v-4, �.a �'-- �a a... , �i ^L`�"x.. 'F ,'caouct F Wit, ,/ 'Pounds per cuter loot M,n,m„rn retentgns conform co standards of [he Amer,can Wood.Preser„ers Atwc,auon_ — TECHNICAL OR GENERAL QUESTIONS CONCERNING ANY OF THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED IN THIS BROCHURE ABOUT OSMOSE WOOD PRODUCTS CAN BE ANSWERED BY CALLING THE OSMOSE TOLL-FREE HOTLINE: 1-800-522-WOOD (522-9663). (4, 7. C ! ose® "The Trusted Name In Wood Preserving" � TM wood products Wood Preserving Division --P.O. Drawer 0 • Griffin, GA 30224-0249 • (404)228-8434 • Osmose' and Fl AME PROOF• ire reR,stered trademarks of Osmose Wood Preset-km?. 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Economically is that Osmose wood puts a stop to biological speaking. mere is - � -" wood destruction and provides years of P � a lot of sound reasoning in = %-'..:- �...-t_;=-� - ; choosing Osmose Wood Products for use • P.- `` 'trouble-free service. on the ia--i. ..•, i _�-" - 1 •� mo o • `� �. • A w •f :. I 1 c •1.4 . l •: �,` fix". 1 • _ ," A-'''.!-- ;'' ry-. S tie►L ' s • ,'! N`4 - I' g4. "Vs J"'^ � G� a-2 A.i.., .-- is .3- '!�-• e•--i + j_. •• t¢ -_ - ' r _ • - s:r� {-- - _gyp"'+-t., qy: .. R - • • +ia • .•c., ` -. - -.v-•�+ v.Ssti :1--•- ��s `"�:•....4.• �i�' 3=I +" 7. 1. •3't-. �'' ism•~•.r.0• rr� • • oIiE..--')-- .4'i;t1 - ' ''is, •.-..; s- - *40:-S.-: ' .i'./. .' '•.••, • '•-re'z..e.f:$•`..'-' Yr•e-e.-% <:e.:t 'L .P `�•�t [af_,�e .7! 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T i. -�. r y gli F.4i4 v: :..! . . ice ! _yam' *fa�!ii'.6++• Yi-e(. r`. = 1i:,.'":ti • Gsmose Wood Products...The Ideal Building Material For Livestock Enclosures Osmose Wood Products are environmentally Farm fencing, so often overlooked, is p .-r .safe for all types of livestock. The I0090 oxide- another popular use of Osmose posts and }•pure waterborne preservative used by Osmose lumber. Wood posts are better able to absorb .• / �` •R'• Y- - '.. licensed treaters permanently fixes with the the shock and stresses of livestock and still keep di. mobs, wood fibers. No harmful vapors. An important their shape. Metal posts can become bent, rust " r factor to consider, since animal weight gain and and damaged permanently by this kind of abuse. , ',' j`�r-r f productivity are directly related to animal The longevity and, subsequently, economics of =1 i J j `, and health, using Osmose fence posts argue a good case ..- ,',.,:- comfort _ The cleanliness of Osmose Wood Products is for their use in the farm environment. 'i -`_ another of the reasons why smart farmers For pasture fencing, barbed wire can be nailed ray". I• make Osmose the product of choice for use in directly to the post, or wire can easily be con- -•"i,• ,4<.. -. confined livestock enclosures, barns, shelters, netted to insulators for electrified fence applica- — laying parlors and farm buildings of all types. dons. The fact is, Osmose Wood Products outlast the competition I to I I. �' I } For Maximum Crop Yield, Osmose Is A Name You Should Know And Trust. — Capital expenditures for farm operations leave little And•those small details that go unchecked and un- over the long haul.The reasons are simple:elimination margin in today s farm Income for frequent repair and noticed can quickly become expensive headaches. You of frequent replacement:resistance to rot.decay and construction costs.That's why it's so Important to don't need those kinds of problems...especially fromage lossop have all the facts when you're buying treated treated wood.Osmose Wood Products can do away vativetmigration.So.yound no r can use osmoosofood Pro- wood...facts that will stack the odds in your favor. with unnecessary worry because the high-quality ducts for cropw take chances with your harvest by using a sub- Osmose preservative stays in the wood where it support stakes, rn buildingsal applica- Don't water- standard pressure treated wood. Know what you're belongs.NO IRRITATING VAPORS. NO SURFACE ngntr troughs. greenhouses.(arm and getting before you buy.Insist on Osmose Wood Pro- RESIDUES.NO ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS. Can Add it up.If you're paying for constant replacement ducts. you trust your livelihood to less than Osmose Wood and poor a yield,you're losing money.Doesn't it make A lot of time and money goes into making your Products? farm a profitable business. There lust down'[seem to sense to replace those problems with Osmose Wood The use of Osmose Wood Products in the Products? be enough hours in each day to check on everything. agricultural environment can prove to be beneficial / �1 •J� ® Wood r,,�_ . .�=- Preservatives Stake Test Ln/_ - Condition of Southern Pine Slakes AFTER 30'EARS IS.nCbM b•,ene.r•.o••— Destroyed b.— — r . ' .!' - : e ,.�- 1f - I 11 ,. /r. ' „ Term. TWIT. 00A1 Fend. role Aq.n....•u.w Re,ea,on No.In T.etl Decay Attack Aa.0 ono, Term!. teem,• R•R••dLIa� '0IY i 1.r.h?-., 'fii.,is . . Lei I(k T , ; �I ' ! ; E .52 •'®emcee' — 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 V0•a• Ed- -- r . , _r� 11 1 ' 37 • 83 I .. •• ' . •• 7 . ••—I Coal TaO . - . -. . ' - 4 Creosote — O O • . 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There are basically two One of the joys of farm life can be its under the Osmose name are pressure treated types of CCA wood preservatives: Saks and sim icit You don't need the aggravations of with Osmose I00°o oxide-pure preservative. Oxides. formulation is ea chemically in- simplicity. ferior CCA preservative because of i nti constant maintenance. That's why you chose This preservative meets the American Wood- . — Osmose Wood Products. Before Osmose, Preservers' Association Standard P-S andingredi In the ingredient mix. These wood treatment,inferior fence posts had to be replaced every three Federal Specification TTW-550. Osmose ents, when used for years:splashboards, outbuildings, barns and preservative is applied into the wood in a bloom to the surface to produce unacceptable plant stakes quickly succumbed to the ravages closed cylinder by a patented vacuum-pressure residues ' can corrode metal fasteners and of termites, rot and decay. process in accordance with the approved stan- leach into the environment. — No more. On the leading edge of wood dards and recommended treating practices OXIDES vs. OXIDES. Even among oxide preservation technology, the people at covering specific wood products as listed in formulations there can be a significant dif- WPA Standards Manual. TECHNICAL Terence in quality. That difference is in the Osmose are working successfully to eradicate the A QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED purity of the oxide preservative ingredients. wood's inherent weaknesses. We know, and — you should,too, that wood doesn't have to BY CALLING OUR TOLL-FREE Unlike low-grade oxide preservatives. Osmose rot, decay or fall prey to insect infestation. HOTLINE: 1-800-522-WOOD (522-9663). is the highest purity 100°0 oxide CCA-C The technology is already in place and work- industry.retention of Osmose preservative is preservative available in the wood preserving ing you. treatment specified at 0.25 pounds per cubic foot of industry. While low quality treated wood prod- - ingpr forrs res Our in uniquea pressureproduc fo , far superior wood(pcf/oxide basis) for moderate service ucts face a growing liability, Osmose Wood (farm and residential construction)and 0.40 Products are environmentally safe' and clean. to ordinary untreated wood; retains the pcf/oxide basis for severe conditions(farm strength of wood and the workability of and residential construction)such as in-ground -"'hen hanO1ed and used'^accordance wrtn Osmose gwdei.ms. wood without the undesirable problems of or fresh water contact. The specified E reten- VPA — other treatment processes. tion for treated wood subject to severe ACE STANDARD R R ground contact(wood foundations)is 0.60 RETENTIONS pcfioxide basis. Typical ua.. '"-f.'£�777 �'t Applications Retention- - i. -tl'T 4• St�l� :7 ^" Above Ground 0.25 Decking Fencing. e; ^""• 7t3 ?er T.`t *,�t a-- ' : •� Li+'= Cis Jells.Railings.louts / I r - -- / Soil or Fact Warr Posts,Landscape 1 1 ;p• - ecYs�•' - --;�y-\� Contact O.eo Timbers.t,rape Wlaks& {9 : yi. : 7 as:77,., YV, -lt�, • i Ilion-Structured tr .` tti.'��r,�► ! Y --•a eSl.� :i h- ..I l .! r _ WoodFRetaining Walls � •rGr• -7 sX . , r�,ry 11 A'1/�•�+ Soil or Fresh Wuar Wood Foundations. i3 a .�f.•a�- J 't '�� •r `. �� Contact 0.60 tw.. S.- - (Struaurtll Budding Yoln f- 1 --�Y l Pi1.WM.or Fresh [- r -+—+ l \ y i ! I �z. !� i WNer Contact 0.80 Foundation Piles ._.. . _ �'- ,�.� / •I tti ,- _ (Structural] . ._ _ _ �� -"'� .�a�-s- cam= •—'PIt10R ` -,,.Yt4 - .� 'r— ..l�/!/. �ci 1\.,,kk,...,.:‘,., \ N,,,.. S}tf „- -... • 2.3 t7rn.ar..��: ./ / //'t1 ll 1 `\\\\\ �\- •PouWs per tags loot M',mum refenr.ons conform to stanevds of I ` �' the H.ner.can wood.Prescr.ers A,socauon Ire CII S yt f 41 )Se The Trusted Name In Wood Preserving" TM mood products Osmoser•is a registered trademark of Osmose Wood Preserving,Inc. Wood Preserving Division P.O. Drawer 0 • Griffin, GA 30224-0249 • (404)228-8434 • 5 Iw O•new weed M.rn ,Inc. • riGE '�F. E (;: _:fit it I 1.1`.'�`' - it•- 11 t,f� l rll�(1.:, `t'_� 'I R YIIIJR I,:. 1 , , I - 0 r: station Rant• (R ) hr „_," 1 -If i D a t 3.bas, rI 3 Jl I OF I fiIILFS and I;E(;IILA i - OI'I' F-I DERnt COMM INICAT FiJ '- COMMISSION 47 CFR Part -1 IPRE - 1 : FCC 8 5-506T rederal Preemption of :' tate and Local Regulations Pertaining to Amateur Radio Facilities Wednesday , September 25 . 1985 AGENCY : Federal Communications Commission . ACTIOIJ : Declaratory ruling . SUMMARY : This dr _ument declares ci l imt ted preemption of state and local ta' lat tr,n� i,ihi - h prec f! ide amate,jr• mmu.nr '-a t ic�r. . The nU.l ino i� n,c s3ary so nat amateur, and io-icaJ governtnq c'ocjies .I tke krill he aware of the Erong federal interest in promoting amateur communications . The effect of the ru.l ir— is to give local communities and amateur operators a clear statement of the federal interest in amateur communications . ADDRESS : Federal Communications Comm i .,ion , Washington , DC ....r)554 . FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CON I(tt_:T :ftlnu.r ice .I . DePcin t , Private Radio Du.reau.. :Washington . DC 20 54 . ( 202) 632-L9F,4 , �4 • • n SUPPLEMENTARY filF;.101.1:i., ,Cltd : List of '.•ub _ 97 1ec�.ts 1. ,, :I,•• �_Fr; Part i7 Amateur Salo , Antennas , Memorandum Opinion and Order — In thP matter, of Federal pree{{yyp�tl, n or state and local regulations pertaining to Amateur radio facilities : l-l\ -I . Adopted : September 16 , 1985 . ! Released : September 19, 1985 . — By the Commission : Commissioner Rivera not participating. Background • — 1 . On July 16 , 19fl/ , the American Radio Relay League , Inc . (AR};L) filed a Request for Issuance of a beclara.tory kull t nq as to del I rieiitt the l iril tat laps o► local zoning arc other local and state regulatory authority over Federally- licensed radio facilities . Specifically ,' lf lcally , the Idantc'] an explicit statement that. would Preempt all local ordinances which 'roe/ f�n�11 f 1l,ant1y lriti '1 t f fH tip:, 1 F ably' preclude h ac,. now +=ges foal local 3uf11C,C1 f ies canmregula.te`�amateur'll�•insttal `lationlhto insure the safety and health of persons in the community , but believes that those regulations cannot be so restric:ti "e that they preclude of fec five amateur communications . �' . Interested �ar � l �<=. werecouldadvised file comments in the _ �ii Li. extension c mments 1�e1•r_ due Orr or bel, - re r= , Jltrl� � . Wit i :C ly comments ' ue on or betiu'e Ye-- -{rl � e, �F; , January �5, I �,., , ih� 1 I ,er sixteen hundred comment': (Jere filed . 1 H1 Put, i,: Notice , August 30 . 1 `184 M;r;It (1 . M o , k, ��9y , ply FR 16113 , September F 1'1 r tc'l t': !r',tli '_ llecembe r 1 9, 1984 , M i m&o Ho . 14_t`l : . F112 Or')r,r , 1 , :mt:' r 0 . 1984 . Mimeo , firs , 770 . i_I 'dirldnces i i.nnt ' icts between amateur; 'r1 ' restrictiven eio regarding antennas. d l ]ilthoi. ties regarding ftinan '_ ar, common . amatel ", operator by the f,- ) lldtl! ns i. Jntclle1 Ir Hirt rules o no ! 1RI l t the h,_1'jht of are amateur antenna but ', ir' - •,xtt•t - Ire , tr:.r ,.3v , , t1r,n J reasons , that certain FAA notification and ` t.r _11'_ 1uval ,.•r,icedIt1 s must )C followed for antennas which exceed i _:I)tl feet . ' fill ! ! ev t1 or il, 1 : 1 rrlt to be erected fp':'f t . 1 Illy_; UlsUCu i ri1 ..i,rrue '1►.Idt`�uf del : r:r'r13 _u.ppc,rt , structtlle ill r 'IH (, 11,... ,• (,tin'" t'�"lll.l 1''� till•= L r lJ-C t lun ffl3i't: 1 , 3r1,1, li,i,31 ❑Illrllhiladl 1 t1 • ,=,r 4 Cilfe t r 7 1 Jghtl 1 rrlln9 t)OU1r=S fe:al.lalll ly �l-Id�.f t .l ll l„rr 1 t1?il t in':t antenna and tli,.-1 i support •-:.tructit '-:. - in height Find t'J =, Jil' cif faf yaf';I•_. , ! ,,r health . -atf'ry Of i' .:•t i t lC F'R6L conside. .itinns . These limiting regulationscan result / of l that �.lt in conflict in because tF�F- areedli ,. :tlyalescdepenaen(tc� .ppon1theilocation andi� the height of th an euantenna.StdtlOn r?mati••..r operators maintain that they are precluded from operating in certain bands allocated for there use if the height of their antennas is limited by a local ordinance . 4 . Examples of restrictive local ordinances were submitted by several amateu operators in this proceeding . StanleyJ . that in `-;yin [pie ,_ Cichy . San Diego , California. noted q am Eu r iQ anten s come under structures ruling which limits building- ie ignit s to 30 feet , `Irius , antennas there are also limited g to 30 feet . Alexander Vrenios , Mundelein , Illinois wrote that an ordinance of t e Village of Mundelein provides that an antenna must be a distance from the property line that is equal to one and one -half times its height . In his case , he is limited to an antenna tower for his amateur station just over 53 feet i— he1ghJolin C. Chapman , an amateur living in Bloomington. Minnesota, commented that he was not able to obtain a building permit to install an amateur radio antenna exceeding 35 Feet in height because the Bloomington city ordinance restricted "structures" heights to 35 feet . Mr . Chapman said that the ordinance , when written , undoubtedly applied to buildings but was now being applied to antennas in the absence of a specific ordinance regulating them. There were two options open to him if he wanted engage in amateur communications . He could request a variance to the ordinance yway of a hearing before the City Council , or he could obtain affidavits from his neighbors swearing that they had no objection to the proposed antenna installation . He got the building permit after obtaining the cooperation of his neighbor; . His concern , however . is that he had to get permission from amall,Ppuola ball leFe a algurf 11 ,Wy engage in radio communications for f . In addition to height restrictions , other limits are enacted by local jurisdictions--anti-climb devices on towers or fences around them ; minimum distances from high voltage power lines : minimum distances of towers from property lines : and regulations pertaining to the structural soundness of the^ Pntten. i6nstalb1ettonnabOrig .anklhriartheyailatebgecdlotnot.rbiwidetk3ofetsm4sty prohibitive non- refundable application filing fees to obtain a permit to erect Those an antenna Installation and provision n ordinances which regulate antennas for purely aesthetic reasons . The amateurs contend , almost universally , that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder . " They assert that an antenna installation is not more aesthetically displeasing than other objects that people keep on their property , e . g . motor homes , trailers , pick -up trucks.— solar collectors and gardening equipment . Restrictive Covenant; 7 . Amateur operators also oppose restrictions on their amateur operations which are contained in the deeds for their homes or in their apartment leases . Since theme restrictive covenants arm contactual agreement- parties , they are not generaliy a matter otconcern to the eommtssionPrivate — However , since some amateurs who commented in this proceeding provided us with examples of restrictive covenants , they are included for information , Mr . .lJ FR _,:.a I -U I I'HGL 4 Eugene U. Thomas of Hollister , California included in his comments an extract �c� the lIeclarat�on of (,u�iena is and h' -atricticins for Rtdgemark Estates , County o .,an bent to , �, ate of r,al i t orrita. III provides ; No antenna for transmission or reception of radio signals shall be erected i outdoors for use by any dwelling unit except upon approval of the Directors . —'lo radio or television signals or any other form of electromagnetic radiation shall be permitted to originate from any lot which may unreasonably interfere nth tat r c Lion of television copy thegrestrictivencovenanticontained in th th 1 eielpon , Ji• . televisd a c�; —deeds for the Bell Martin Addition 2 , Irving , Texas . It is binding upon all of the owners or purchasers of the lots in the said addition , his or their heirs , executors , administrators or assigns . It reads ; No antenna or tower shall be rested upon any lot for the purposes of radio operations . William J . Hamilton resides in an apartment building in Gladstone , Missouri . `f cites a clause i his leaseprohibiting the erection of an antenna, He ta es that he has been forced to give up operating amateur raio equipment —axcept a hand-held 2 meter ( 144-1L MHz ) radio transceiver . He maintains that he should not be penalized just because he lives in an apartment . Other restrictive covenants are less global in scope than those cited above . or example , Robert Webb purchased a home in Houston , Texas . His deed `r'oof lineon prohibited "transmitting or receiving antennas extending above the a . Elmateu - of eratn generally t easons . they maintaitha suc�iprestricti restrictive can -reside if they want to pursue their hobby of amateur radio . Some state that they impinge on First Amendment rights of free speech . Uthers believe that a onstitutional right is being abridged because , in their view , everyone has a gh to access t e a l w v regardless, ,, J . iht, confine ��1- a c�� �3rdl �5 _ f l here they Ilve . Y belief l i e f ri i J by housing subdivision communities and condominium or homeowner ' s associations is that amateur radio installations constitute 06tqtedaidiAlae hdim@e( tbt@Qittang bath i)egtefntPoOt atqu yl11tbi,egtitkiLitmi tkt ct srom the aesthetic and tasteful appearance of the housing development or - apartment complex . To counteract these negative consequences , the subdivisions - nd associations include in their deeds , leases or by- laws restrictions and imitations on the• location d d height of antennas or . in some cases rlhibit Iwo attogetn�_r . the restrictive c.ctvenants are contained in he contractual agreement entered into at the time of the sale or lease cif the e n pr _F rty . u...irchasers of lessee... are free to choose whether they wish to reside where such 3strictions on amateur antennas are In effect or settle elsewhere . Supporting Comments In . The Department of Defense ( D D ) s&ipp,-.c ted tree (iRRL and emphasized iii its �)mmen is at continued successcci existing national sec_u.r I ty and elriv?rgency preparedness tel plans involving amateur stations would be • ?verely diminished it stag- and local ordinances were allowed to prohibit the .nstruction and usage of effective amateur transmission laci l i ties . DUD uufilizes volunteers in the Military Affiliate Radio : ervice • (MflRS) , [Fl-I41 Civil ) i r Patrol (CAP) end the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency `service ( RACES) It 'ints outthat these volunte communicators are operating radioer co equipment `_,il ` li __::j1 '-I) l installed in their homes and that undue restrie: t iorr on anten nas by l Cf a la, th rities .ad ar =ely } fect their efforts . I � ) _ td�es that the recponsi venes i vol Pr systemsllll c in aired t loca ordinances interfere wL the effectiveness of these important national telecommunication resources . D( I favors the issuance of a ruling that would set limits for local and state regulatory bodies when they are dealing with amateur stations . 1- 144 Plf-IR! i; solely un,.1er the aI��>pic o ; of the military �Ihic volunteer amai eur aperators to rP �rui. 1 rerii� r assi�at:arlcP o i � , tlhe Cummlssion is not involved in the MHR> program . II . Various chapters of the fimercian Red Cross also came forward to support -- the cRRL 's request for a preemptive ruling . The Red Cross works closely with amateur radii, volunteers . It believes that without amateurs ' dedicated s tpport , di aster relief o er tion wo ld,{ ,i rrific ntly suffer arlr thaat i a ill y to serve disaster victims would oerr'Iampereo . it i eeis tflat arlLenrla height limitations that might be imposed by local bodies will negatively affec the service now rendered by the volunteers . 12 . Cities and counties from various parts of the United States filed comment•. in support of the r1RRL ' = request for a Federal preemption ruling . The comment from the Director of Civil Defense , Port Arthur . Texas are representative : The f-lma �t ''- . hereh to le r Radio a vital role r,i th our Civil Defense^program to nr,. and ae ign o these antennas and towers lends gratty — r ability i ty to communicate during times of disaster . We do not believe there should be any restrictions on the antennas and towers except For reasonable safety precautions . Tropical storms , hurricanes and tornadoes .lie- ..i way of life here on the Texas Gulf Coast and good aommun l cd t l e_en' are absolutely �s essential when preparing for a hurricane and eve more ice during i et.ove r• o e f -r • one er. l X �- ra� i�,ns of ter the hrr.rrr_an,, ha.�, pa^•=.P of ter entui y ire ess 1=fssnc i a Ion tooka strong the � suane�e of a declaratorya stand in favor of _ ruling . I t believes that Federal preemption is -ary so that there will be uniformity for all Amateur radio installations 'Ti private Property throughout the United 'states . ICI . In t t 'or,ments . the HRRL argued that the Commission has the rurisdiction—' t ore'errrr_pt certain local land use r•et amateur radio communications . ft. said thatnths ellappropriate; ests of rrdhin standard In preempt ion cases is not the extent of state and local interest in a given regulation , but rather the impact of that regulation ofFederal goals . n position is thatr'i l._ ti. ;n F I }y ee e:'ra preempt ion is warr'anUe whenever localgover nmental regulations relate adversely to the operational aspects of amateur communication . The ARRL maintains that localities � l routine.. y employ a variety of and use devices. to preclude the, Instal lation ofe inc { 'Asp height [ J 1 effective, amateur elt �ri teands ,^ llCilnt� rlelg res rlC lOns , e;(1ndl � ieiila� rlge? permits . (l,i.11dlTlr] 5e? t�ae�4. s and dimensional limitations en antennas . ft sees a declaratory ruling of Federal preemption as necessary to cause mu.n iL ir:.al i i ie=. to accommodate amateur operator needs in land use planning effort, . 15 . James C . 0 ' Connell . an attorney who has represented several amateurs before local zoning authorities . said that requiring amateurs or special t11 seek variances v ial use a prove to erect reasonable antennasunduly restricts the operation of amateurr stations . He suggested that the preempt ordinances which impose antenna height limitsof less than b5fe tit zoning that this bight would represent a reasonable than feet , He said accommodation of the communication • Fh 1 ,-I11 eeds of most amateurs and the legitimate concerns of local zoning authorities . ilppos 1 ng Comments _16 . The City of La 1-lesa, California has a. zoning regulation which controls amateur antennas . Its comments reflected an attempt to reach a balanced view . This regulation has neither �, intent no the et .ec} . of recludin nnioiting effective and reiabie communications . aucn antennas may be or s long astheir construction does not unreasonably block views r constitute 'eyesores . Inc reasonable assumption istat there are always alternatives at a ` uen bothi for o diffen placement and/or methods fo aecthet treatment .Tb blis objectives _ contro ling an use tor The pc th , afety , and convenience , and providing an effective communications network , can bee satisfied . •recognizes controlton`lymli- ortthe set aside antenr,aaconitraction, ould be contrary to . . legitimate local control . . - '17 . Comments from the County o !--;an Diegi t .te While we are aware of the renefits provided by amateur operators , we oppose 'he issuance of a preemption ruling which would elevate antenna effectiveness o a position above all other considerations . We must , however , argue that the ?cal co`l'ernrrent must have thi ability to place reasonable limitations Upon the ;� acement and configuration of amateur radio transmitting and receiving -ntennas . Such ability is necessary to assure that the local decision-makers lye the authority to protect the public health , safety and welfare of ail +.1 t i Zen• . In conclusion , I would like to emphasize an important difference between your 'gulatory powers and that of local governments . Your Commission ' s approval of -.e p r eemp t i v.e requests would d establish a national policy However ,r any '? - u n ion adopted y a loca jurisdiction iction could be overturned by your • -m1r ,- ion or a court if such regulation was determined to be unreasonable . ,.e City of Anderson , Indiana, summarized some of the problems that face communities : _ ..m syrripathet is to the concerns of these antenna owners and I understand that ' o gain the maximum reception from their devices , optimal location is ?cessZ However the preservation of residential zoning districts as `liveable ' . neinhbornoods is jeopardized by piacing these antennas in front lards of homes . Major problems of public safety have been encountered , I- irticularly vision blockage for auto and pedestrian access . In addition , all immunities are faced with various building lot sizes . Many building lots are `n small that established setback requirements ( in order to preserve adequate air and light ) ar.. vulnt-rable to theunregulated 01 met of these antennas . . the" exercise of preemptive authoriy by the t3F� ri in granting this request sold not he in the best interest of the general public . `-19 . The National (association of Counties ( NACU ) , the American Planning Association (flPf-l) and the National League of Cities (1•NLC) all opposed the ;seance of an antenna preemption ruling . t•MR(_li emphasized that federal and :at power nutst be vie`iled 1ii harmorny any Barns plat Federakl intrusion into rotal concerns of deal! to , safety an( we 111 are c:ou l Flea en t le traditional ,,o ice pot. or exercised by t 1arid unduly interfere with tkhe. legitimate :tivitie•1 of the State; . FLU be! icve. that both I- decal and local interests I- `,il FR _'_ I ._ -11 f ='Or;E 7 can be „ '-r,mmo`.iated withoutpreempting to 31 ii for i ty to re . ILl - t, the insult last i..,n Of amateur radi antennas: . The off said that the FLU should continue to leave the issue of regulating amateur antenna_ with the local government and with the state and Federal court. . Discussion 20 . Nherl c:on de irlr preemption , we must begin with two constitutional provisions . The tenth amendment provides th t any powers which the constitution either does not delegate to the United States or does not prohibit the states from exercising are reserved to the states . These are the police ��,I11ers of the states . The Supremacy Clause , however . provides that the constitution and the laws of the United States shall supersede any state law to the contrary . ( rtic m III . Sett n ,iven these basic remises . s a laws may be preempted in three ways : lest , Gongr,_ �� may expre _s�y preemp� ��ie state law . See Jones v . Rath Packing Co . . 430 U .S . 519 . 525 ( 1977) . Or , r e lgre', rq•]y indicate its intent to IPr com? r t ly occupy pv a given field so . that at1N lay encompassed within that field would rmpl icity by Preempted . Such ce • to preempt could be found in a carl•aressional regulatory scheme that /asive that it would be reasonable to assume that r.ongress did not inter I le permit the st atse s to s p l p me t it !)PP d�E elii v Federal Savings i a n v . de Ia _ueta. 4_ d ._ . 10 , 153 ( t9 ) . F1naly . preemption may be warranted when state law conflicts with federal law . Such conflicts may oCCUJ ,.k ,r1 "compliance with both Federal and state regulations is a physic • sibility , " Florida Lime R f-avocado (rower_ . Inc . v . Paul , 373 I., 132 , " ( MI) . or wh,'rt State law -,. t �� �� � lnrl. ��_. ern obstacle th the acc.u,l,i, 1 i shmer-4 , on f the II -ou. r•, and ot, ec t i ves o f es .. -1vi�Jot,11 iz ., I2 Li . _ . _, , t,i i130y , urtF� rmore , of fPsl. Ninec , ame reern , t v� A y Nations nave the a,- fedpr71 statutes . Fidelity Federal Savings �i Loan t.ue ta. ;,It{'ra. situation before us requires us to determine the extent to which stat zoning regulations may conf l ict with federal policies concerning d.l•'._teu ,.idly operators . • row `` itters r nmin beforeII_s . present. such f viewpoint o t as' tines the instant isauC . inc - c_ r t ie� ; t h a Cioc1r rJichotc,m i�_ dII ' l si • c:ni�nt le ul�al ����mmu_ni ir_ � and �iou�ir assnc. i,-it inns see An nh l i gat ion to ail of their citizens and try to address their concerns . This i'=:. accomplished through regulation= , ordinances or 'ovenants oriented toward the heal Ih . • and _a_.ifet,,� general nerai welfare of those they •eg11.1ate . ftt the opposite pole are ttl ' 1rndividual amateur operators and their :1_I_r.pi' rt groups who are troubled by local regulations which may inhibit the ,ESE. U, i• ' e,'I' I. i'-'ns or . in some trrtvances , totally preclude amateur cc nnnica:. ' • . E1l ig ned with the operators rators are such entities as the I)e partmen �• )e f ees. the Omer ica,i Red (_ro„ and local civil defense and emergency organrz.3.t ions who have found in Omate,.tr Radio a pool _i, f skilled radio operators and a r-,a.- i ' v available backup network . In this situation , we believe it is a- ' `c J �' to stripe a balance between the federal interest in promoting 4 ' inn; and the legitimate interests of local governments in tint ;I'. _ • 1 toning matters . fhe cornerstone on which we will predicate — c'u. • ' s i on that a reasonable accommodation may be made between the two P'reemptior, is primarily a function of the extent of the conflict Lie tween L'i0 FR : I :, 1 federal and _:gate and Thus . in co nliderin' whe local regulation ion . reguia lorls or policies cant thsi' Our �ol�trate a state regulat'lon , we may consider such factors as the severity of the conflict and the reasons underlying the state' s regulations . In this regard , we have prFvi.ottsly recognized the legitimate and _ important state interests reflected in local zoning regulations . For example , in Earth Satellite Communications , Inc . . 95 FCC .2d 1223 ( 1983) , we recognized that . . countervailing state interests inhere in the present situation . . . For ` e:, -itnple , we do not wish to preclude a state or locality from exercising Jurisdiction over certain elements of an SMATV operation that properly may fall •.' I thin its authority , such as zoning or public safety and health , provided the i .gulation in •ii estion is not undertaken as a pretext for the actual purpose of frustrating achievement of the preeminent federal objective and so long as the non-federal regulation is applied in a nondiscriminatory manner . 24 . Similarly , we recognize here that there are certain general state and local interests which may . ! n their e%,on-handed application , legitimately affect amateur radio facilities . Nonetheless . there is also a strong federal intere,. t in promoting amateur communications . Evidence of this interest may be found I: the comprehensive set of rules that the Commission has adopted to regulate the Amateur service . ifN`: 1 chose rules set forth droceoures for the licensing of stations and operators , frequency allocations , technical standards t11tIiC i amateur radio equipment fist meet and operating practice which amateur operators must follow . We recognize the Amateur radio service as a voluntary . nL'1,c=,.,mrrlercial cviuuinurll'-ation 3ervice , particularly with respect to providing emergency communications . Moreover , the amateur radio service provides a reservoir iii trained operators , technicians and electronic experts who can be t_a.i le 1 on in t iires of national or local emergencies . By its nature , the •i!'t.iteue l�ciili,.:t cis/ 1.::_' provides the opportunity For individual operators to �' alsoy perator� ' '! . they 1 .rternatlonal ';goodwill . Upon weiohin•=1 these interests , we believe a lark ted preemption policy is warranted . State And local regulations that • •:rate to ! :Cristo ari':3_tenr• romrr,llrticatlnn in trek comfrllirll ic- cafe irl f lrect •'rIr l l • • , i .' t . . ..,-.11 ni:' ►ect i ve=• clrli fri .t nr preemptet -•..�- F ist, t=.F h Part `.-1? . ::• Um, t c't .tll'_:•! firer ''_ station t.nmmltnlc:at ions are only as effective as the antenna� � !,�' !t. antenna height restrictions directly affect the et tecl i !,e• s ..,t amateur • oGIritni at Loris . ':ome amateur antenna configurations 1'F'—it I r't. ..lo 'tr substantial i Its t.i l lat Ions than others if they art- to provide the al,Ititt'1r •'peiatt'r with trl,:• •:ui'll,"lrll,_rltioii`> that he/she desires to eII Jae iii . for k';.,. nPIe . an antenna iliay t •!r international amateur comm' .nicationt: will suffer rt'm .I,, .t, tc•nna used to contact '-'thee amateur operators at shorter distances . MIS• wi . t not . howeve1 , specify any particular height limitation below which a ` ' �t •1 1r've riirrerrt may riot regulate . ,nor ',ri 1 I ue ' a•ucgest the precise language t 'L t;ontatiieti 1rl 1ucat ortj1nant=es , such � mechanisms for spr_,_ lai ( ,Jr ions , variances , or conditional !e,e perrr, t ts . Nevertheless . local "•.'•' ! _' t ions which involve placement . screenlnq . Of height of ,.ant.—rnr'as based or, • , tf ty , Of aesthetic consider it loll•=. must be rat ted to _,c•- uuriir,odate �it•,is'.'_.aoly amateur communications and torepro ent the Iniiuii''ulrt practicable 1 •-.luiat ion to accomplish the local authority legitimate ; •ll1•puse . LI- flbl FNG We reiterate that our ruling herein does not reach tr' iCtive •-('venantS . 'f-1(;E '1 MEI in private contractual agreements . Such agrrement•' are voluntarily entelai into by the buyer or tenant when the agreement is executed and do not usually concern this Commission . 1 26 . Obviously . we do not have the staff or financial resources to review a; state and local laws that affect amateur operations . We are confident . . however . that state and local governments m� nner, that of {„rd� will endeavor to legislate in a i aPpbro riate recognitionto a stake Here and ther_ ypavoidd unnecessary conklte is withr n f.pral icy , . Y o tc s ea�ra Po� icy � � ;i well as time-consuming and expensive litigation in this area. Amateur operators who believe that local or state governments have and therebyhave been overreaching precluded' acrompli=hment of their legitimate communications goals . may , in addition , use this document to bring our policies to the attention of local htribu.nals and forums . tie' (-mericannRadiotheiaygLeaaue . Inc . , is Rulinggranted the e Julyet indicatedn . lae by ^ herein and , in all other respects , is denied , extent Federal Communications. Commission . Hi i l idm J . i r rc ;+ r .ic_0 , ,Secretary . f F 9i ii •c . .:2 .'6<: Filed 9-24-PS : : 45 am l BILLING CODE 6712-0 1 -PI 50 FR 38813-01 — END OF DJ]Cl IHE J 1 MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY r► DIVISION OF SOLID AND HAZARDOUS WASTE 7 GUIDELINES FOR DEMOLITION DEBRIS LAND DISPOSAL FACILITY PERMIT APPLICATION Note: Projects involving less than 15,000 cubic yards of demolition debris or operating less than 12 months duration do not require Minnesota Pollution Control Agency Solid Waste Disposal Permits. In general , the following requirements must be met for a demolition debris land disposal facility: 1. The facility must not be open for general use. The use of the facility — shall be restricted to municipalities, organizations, or individuals having a substantial volume of nonputrescible material from demolition or construc- tion projects, including earth, rocks, stones, trees, old bituminous sur- facing, concrete, bricks, lumber, plaster, metals, glass and plastic building parts. Excluded shall be wastes from the operations of households, commercial establishments, institutions, industrial processes, agricultural facilities and municipalities such as garbage, dead animals, paper, food and beverage containers, leaves, yard trimmings, ashes, tires, liquids, septic tank pum- - pings, sludges , vehicles, machinery, appliances and hazardous wastes. Industrial wastes shall not be disposed of in a demolition debris land disposal facility unless the Director' s approval is obtained. 2. The fill and trench areas of a demolition debris land disposal facility are generally prohibited within the following areas : (a) 1,000 feet from the normal high water mark on a lake, pond, or flowage. (b) 300 feet from a stream. (c) A regional flood plain (100 year flood) . (d) Wetlands. (e) Within 50 feet of the property line. (f) Within 1 ,000 feet of the nearest edge of the right-of-way of any state, federal , or interstate highway, or of the boundary of a public park or of an occupied dwelling. Permission may be granted under this sub- section, without these distance requirements, at the discretion of the Director, taking into consideration such factors as noise, dust, litter, and other aesthetic and environmental considerations. (g) An area which is unsuitable hcause of reasons of topography, geology, hydrology, or soils. (h) A high water table within five feet of the lowest fill elevation. The above requirements may be waived by the Director provided DNR, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and local approvals for siting are obtained. The intent of these requirements is to preclude the placement of demolition material in sur- face of ground water. 45 • -2- 3: ,:nv :-erson who maintains or operates a demolition debris land disposal `icility site or permits the use of property for such shall maintain and '— � r nrr.:te the site in conformance with the following practices unless other- - by Agency issuing requiredpermit: sX .+� �.e allowed the A enc i n the • -en curnino shall be prohibited unless specifically approved by the —ncv in a separate permit or burning of diseased trees or tree wastes • 1 3 separate area of the facility is specifically approved in accor- =�. dance with Minnesota Rule pt. 7005.0810: _ eta .. ..•.ram.. �_ __-_ t, ^umolnq of the demolition debris shall be confined to as small an area : racticaole and with appropriate facilities to confine possible — =' . ini- town material within the area: At the conclusion of each day of :•,,ration, all wind-blown material resulting from the operation shall collected and returned to the area by the owner or operator. : i ) The demolition debris shall be compacted as denselyas p practicable _nd covered with a minimum of six inches of compacted, suitable cover material on at least a monthly basis, or as specified by the — ^irector: All previously filled areas shall be maintained with at least six inches of suitable cover material : i ` There shall be an available supply of suitable cover material •rnich, if necessary, shall be stockpiled and protected for winter operation: '• i ) The demolition landfill shall be constructed and cover material graded so as to promote surface water runoff without excessive erosion'. _ (d) Surface water drainage shall be diverted around and away from the land- fill operating area: (e) A minimum separating distance of 50 feet, or greater as specified by the Director, shall be maintained between the disposal operation and • the adjacent property line; — (f) Effective means shall be taken, if necessay, to control rodents and ;) vermin'. — (g) Adequate dust control on the site shall be provided. (h) Equipment shall be available for adequate operation of the site. The equipment shall be provided with adequate safety devices and adequate noise control devices: (i ) Equipment shall be provided and kept at the site during the hours of operation to control accidental fires , and arrangements made with the local fire protection agency to immediately acquire their services when needed•, -3- (j) Adequate communciation facilities shall be provided for emergency purposes. (k) The site shall be adequately screened by existing or provided means. (1 ) Access to the site shall be controlled. A gate shall be at the entrance to the site and kept locked with an attendent is not on duty. (m) The permittee shall properly complete the Agency operational report form and submit it annually to the Agency whether or not the permitted ` facility is yet constructed or whether or not it is in operation until . certified closed. (n) (i ) Within one month after final termination of a site, or a major part thereof, the area shall be covered with at least two feet of compacted earth material , graded to a minimum two percent slope to promote surface water runoff without excessive erosion. (ii ) The finished surface of the filled area shall be covered and main- tained with adequate topsoil and seeded to provide suitable vege- - tation immediately upon completion, or immediately in the spring on areas terminated during winter conditions. If necessary, seeded slopes shall be covered with straw or similar material to prevent erosion. ( iii ) Prior to completion of a demolition landfill site, the Agency shall be notified in order that a site investigation may be con- ` ducted by the Agency staff before earthmoving equipment is removed from the property. (iv) After completion of a demolition landfill site, a detailed description, including plat, shall be recorded with the county registar of deeds. The description shall include general types and location of wastes, depth of fill and other information of interest to future landowners. (v) If the completed site is to be cultivated, the integrity of the finished surface shall not be disturbed by agricultural cultiva- tion activities. If cultivated, a sufficient depth of cover material to allow cultivation and to support vegetation shall be maintained. 4. The site must be consistent with the County Solid Waste Management System Plan. Approval must be obtained, as applicable, from local , county, and regional authorities . 5. Plans , including a permit application, engineering report and drawings , shall be prepared by a registered engineer of Minnesota. Four complete sets of the plans shall be submitted to the Agency via the regional offices. The submitted plans shall include the following: • -4- (a) A completed permit application form. (b) An engineering report including: (i ) General information. (ii ) Site analysis, including consideration of each item in number 2 of these guidelines, surface features, type and availability of cover material and any existing refuse deposits at the site. (iii ) Proposed operating method and procedures, including consideration of each item in numer 3 of these guidelines. — (iv) Equipment to be used for operation of the site. (v) Estimated construction .time schedule. • (vi ) Completion date. (vii ) Proposed frequency of cover. (viii ) Source and description of the materials that will be accepted for — disposal . (ix) Statement of who will be allowed to use the site. 6. Drawings , folded to 81/2 by 11-inch size, including: (a) An Existing Conditions Plan of the area showing land use and zoning — within ' mile of the proposed landfill site. This plan shall show all buildings, lakes , ponds , watercourses , wetlands, sinkholes , rock outcroppings, roads , public parks, and other applicable details and — should indicate the general topography with contours and drainage pat- terns. An on-site bench mark shall be indicated and a north arrow drawn. A location insert map and a U.S.G.S. topographic map shall be included. The scale of the Existing Conditions Plan shall not be greater than 300 feet per inch. (b) A Development Plan of the site and immediately adjacent area showing — dimensions, contours (contour intervals of two feet or less) , soil boring locations and surface elevations, and present and pinned per- tinent features including, but not limited to, roads, screening, buffer zone fencing, gate and surface water diversion and drainage. The Development Plan shall show the progressive development of trench and/or area fills and any phase construction. The scale of this plan shall not be greater than 200 feet per inch. -5- When determining the site development plan, consideration shall be given to the ultimate land use of the completed site, for example, there may be pre-planned building islands, not to be used for land- filling of demolition wastes. (c) A Cross Sections Plan, including a minimum of two cross sections of each phase, perpendicular to one another, showing existing grade, exca- vation grade, final grade, high water table profile, profile and iden- tiy of soils, and profile and identity of bedrock. (d) A Ultimate Land Use Plan showing the land use after the site is completed, final contours (contour intervals of two feet or less) and surface water drainge. Consideration shall be given in the design of an ultimate land use plan for erosion and differential settlement. The scale of the ultimate land use plan shall not be greater than 200 feet per inch. 7. A demolition landfill shall not be opened or placed into operation until : (a) An Agency permit or letter of approval has been issued. (b) The site is consistent with the County Solid Waste Management Plan and the county or city flood plain ordinance. 8. A demolition landfill located at the site of a former dump shall not obtain an Agency permit until the abandoned dump has been officially closed in accordance with Minnesota Rules pt 7035.2500. 3_► 4:;:> MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY Demolition Debris Land Disposal Facility Notification Form To be used for projects involving less than 15,000 cubic yards or operating less than 12 months duration.I . Administrative A. Facility Owner and Address: B. Contact Person: Telephone Number:_ C. Facility Location (legal description) : D. Operators Name and Address: ( If different than Owner) E. County Approval and Recommendations Received: Yes No Date: II. Site Information A. Site Acreage: -- B. Site Life and Capacity: 1. Amount of waste to be received cubic yards. 2. Site capacity cubic yards ( including cover material ) . 3. Proposed site life years. C. Waste Generators and Types: D. Final Site Use (describe) : (Note: The Landfill must not be opened for general use. The use of the landfill shall be restricted to municipalities, organizations, or individuals having a substantial volume of nonputrescible material from demolition or construction projects, including earth, rocks, stones, trees, old bituminous surfacing, concrete, bricks, lumber, plaster, metals, glass and plastic building parts. ) I E. Locational Requirements (prohibited areas) 1 . Distance from lakes, ponds , flowages (Minimum 1 ,000 feet) I 2. Distance from a stream(s) (Minimum 300 feet) 3. Within a regional floodplain yes no (prohibited) 4. Within a wetland yes no (prohibited) 5. Setback distances (Minimum 1 ,000 feet) Right-of-ways Public parks Property line (Minimum 50 feet) Occupied dwellings 6. Depth of water table (ground water) (Minimum five feet) 7. Within special topographic, geologic, or hydrogeological area (prohibited-sinkholes) Describe features. III . Operational Procedures A. . Equipment to be used (Describe) B. Waste Compaction Abilities of Equipment (Describe) C. Cover Procedure (include plans or sketch, as appropriate) 1. Frequency (Minimum monthly) 2. Depth of final cover (Minimum two feet) 3. Final slopes of site (Minimum 2%, Maximum 20%) 4. Type of cover soil (describe) D. Surface water diverted around site Yes No IV. Certification — A. The above information is true to the best of my knowledge. B. Signature Owner Note: After completion of the demolition landfill site, a detailed description shall be recorded with the County Registrar of -Deeds. The description shall include general types and location of wastes, depth of fill and other information of interest to future landowners. Planning Commission Meeting August 26 , 1987 - Page 17 — (- Dacy: There are soft plastic hats for visiting construction sites . — Noziska: No, we've got to do the City Council a little better than that. How about orange blazers with our little emblem on it. Sort of brown emblem of the maple leaf . — Headla : Is there a problem going up to people and just saying you want to look at the property? — Olsen: They know it. With this case, they specifically requested that you come there. That ' s one where we should have flagged . — Dacy: What about purchasing name tags for you. I know the Councilman have them. Conrad : There's something to that. I was kind of saying it in jest but there is something serious about my comment too. Anything that jumps out and says we should wear something? _ Emmings: I just want to know if they've got a dog. I've gone out to a lot of farm places and you can ' t get out of the car . Conrad: You will not get out of the car at a farm. That's a policy that I ' ve had . Emmings : But here, that could have been the same situation here and I'm kind of interested in that. If I'm going to go visit somebody's house I want to know if they ' ve got a dog because I 'm not going if they do . — Noziska: I think it ' s a real good idea to give them a jingle. /ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS . Conrad: Barbara , what ' s your strategy in terms of . . . _ Dacy: I just wanted to confirm those three. Those were the ones that we recalled from recent meetings and now we're beginning to catch up on some of that stuff so we just wanted to confirm those three. Emmings: Last week we talked about reviewing the zoning along TH 5 from the city down to TH 41. Dacy: That will be on the next agenda . Conrad : How about flag lots . Does that fit? Dacy : Part of number 3 . It doesn ' t say flag lots . Erhart: Can you give us an analysis of this acreage left for subdivision iwithin the MUSA line and how that relates to Met Council 's calculations and Planning Commission Meeting August 26, 1987 - Page 18 all that stuff so that we have a feeling for where we're at after all these subdivisions come in? If I remember, there is some formula, they say you've got so many acres left to subdivide within the MUSA line therefore in 1990 we put it here and that was based on what they anticipated to be subdivided but which we all know is about 10 times that much. This all ties into this thing. Conrad : Did we have something once upon a time on fencing? Dacy: Yes , that came up when we reviewed, what's the guys name on TH 7? The barbed wire. Conrad: Barbed wire, that's right. In fact, that was the reason I had it in my notes. Fencing for barbed wire but we also hit that issue, Carver Beach we had a fence that went up close to a property line. Maybe that one was resolved. Susan Albee' s. Did that trigger anything? Dacy: The fence ordinance. Conrad: Okay, so then the only thing I've got in my note is really related to the barbed wire fencing. Headla : . . .who helped formulate that fence ordinance? Dacy: Jo Ann and I take the first crack at it from looking at other k. ordinances and look at our ordinance to see what fits and then bring it to you guys. Is that what you ' re asking . Erhart: If I remember that discussion, the question was do we permit barbed wire fences in the agricultural area? To me that was the question that popped in my mind and then Barb and Jo Ann confirmed later that yes , our ordinance does allow the use of barbed wire in the agricultural area but not in the residential area . Olsen: The way it reads now, you couldn' t really have barbed wire in the residential . It says simply that you can ' t have barbed ends. On page 9 . Dacyl I think what we're going to end up doing is just creating another section called barbed wire. Olsen: And I read that" as no barbed wire and we need to be a little more clear . Erhart : So you think it is confusing then? Olsen: It just says no barbed ends shall be exposed . — Emmings : What section are you reading? Olsen: Section 6 ( 12) . • Planning Commission Meeting August 26 , 1987 - Page 19 r Erhart : So you ' re proposing to do some changing and bring it back to us? — Olsen : Making it so barbed wire. . . Headla: You've got to be careful on that plan. That's what, single family now? Those were all agricultural. Now that's your tax status and there's some cattle there . Dacy: If we go by agricultural use rather than district . Noziska: What sort of a burning issue is this again? This is a red hot issue or it comes up from time_ to time or why are we worried about it? Dacy: It came up in the past and we've been kind of collecting all these _ items that you wanted to have addressed so we can look at them all together in an omnibus . Headla : I really think we needed something for the horses too. We shouldn ' t be using barbed wire. Wildermuth : Should not be? Headla: Should not be. r Wildermuth : Why? _ Headla: Kids tend to go and look at horses and they can get banged up pretty bad but it's also tough on the horses too. Cattle don't jump over fences the way horses do. It's really tragic when they go through and there ' s other ways to do it . Conrad: Other issues. Barbara, I guess under your third point you've got lot dimensions so when I said the flag lot, I guess that relates to a setback at 90 feet issue. I know in the rural area we also had that concern with 180 foot width in the rural area so I think you should look at that. I — also want to be very specific in the PUD language in there because we've got 19 different opinions on what our PUD is trying to do which is real obvious. It's- obvious that the City Council has different opinions of what the PUD ordinance is all about so I guess from a planning standpoint I would like to see you two draft it. In terms of philosophical planning lingo and then we' ll break it down to our talk but I think you two probably know the posture that we had when we went through the Lake Susan South and I want to make it real clear what constitutes a PUD. Erhart : We don ' t have an intent section? Conrad: I thought we did but it's obviously not good enough because City Council had five different views of that as a PUD and it clearly is not a PUD. It clearly is not. E:nmings : We were pretty unified . • Planning Commission Meeting August 26 , 1987 - Page 20 Wildermuth: What happened with that? Dacy: What happened is the Attorney is drafting a PUD concept agreement document that's outlining the items that he has to adhere to and conform to. It gives us the power as each phase , as each plat comes in , just because we looked at that plan that said there were 411 single family lots in concept. When they resubmit, things have to meet ordinance requirements and we have to look at the individual plans so they may not get the 411 lots. At any rate, the intent of the agreement was to outline all that was discussed . . . Conrad: I think through the procees they gave Chanhassen more things than they started out so I'm not really negative on how it turned out. It just seemed like such a simple case, in the very beginning it was not a PUD and it seemed like a lot of work for nothing but in terms of what was done but there was very little creativity and the zoning was all there. To create the densities, it really didn't need a PUD status but I think staff and certain council members did a nice job and were able to negotiate some things and it will probably be a pretty good development . Erhart: I take it you don't want to discuss these things tonight. You just want to list them? Conrad : I just want to list them and get staff working on them and hopefully they can come back and we can take a crack at what they have. Headla: Can we take a variation on that last one. On cul-de-sacs. Snowplowing. I would like to hear what our maintenance people say. Is there an optimum diameter and should we take the position. To my knowledge, to make a decision we're in a lot of trouble. I think if we can find a way to do it , let them give a recommendation on it . Emmings : Should we at the same time Look at , what are we going to do in terms of requiring vegetation on them and so forth so we don ' t wind up with a bunch of just ugly ones . Wildermuth: Is it in the pervue of the Commission to look at building codes , like the wooden chimney, wooden foundations? Conrad : Isn ' t Bill Boyt heading that up? — Dacy: Boyt and the Mayor and Howie was going to be notified . Noziska : I haven ' t been contacted . Conrad: We want you on that. You: name is frequently mentioned. If it's Bill in charge, I know he's been wanting to talk to Howie but he really does need your insight. He's hitting some dead-ends real fast and he's tempted to drop it and I guess maybe that ' s unfair of me too. Noziska : One other thing too , I'm sitting here recalling the great big burnable barn that we approved in the back of our main street. I really Planning Commission Meeting August 26 , 1987 - Page 21 — think some thought ought to be given to either fire resistant constructio — of multi-family dwellings or some sort of compartmentalization. Either n within 5,000 square feet or 10,000 or something for fire walls. Fire resistant fire walls. We're sitting in a volunteer fire department with _ part time people. I just feel a little uneasy by having these great big buildings. Look at our industrial park, most of that stuff is in pretty good shape. Conrad : What they're hearing right now, and maybe you know more than I do, but they're hearing right now that the State does not look real positively on the City upgrading the building codes. Is that a fair assessment? Have — you two heard that? Making it more restrictive and that's the feedback so far saying, it's negative and that there would be a real hesitation to start looking at that simply because the state has to approve it. Noziska : No , the State doesn ' t have to . Conrad: Maybe I'm misinterpretting but maybe that's not a road to take to change our building code. Everybody adopts what is it the State Unified Building Code. Noziska: It's the Uniformed Building Code but it's adopted by the State as in minimum requirement code. That's UBC. It's put together by ICBM. International Conference of Building Mangers and as far as that code goes, just about anything goes and any of these special interest groups have a lot — ', indians and it doesn't matter who it is. I think rather than them be nebuously being led down the primrose path without direction, we should say, is that what we want for Chanhassen? If we do fine. If we don' t, then let's change it. I'm serious about this fire thing and I do think our experience with these wooden chimneys surrounding tin have pretty much proven themselves to be acceptable to the fire department. I think approving that great big tin mess that we' re more or less going to saddle Chaska with, Brown's deal. I think that's a mistake too. I don't think that improves the village of Chanhassen one little bit and if we do anything, I think we should take the tact, look where Eden Prairie is. Eden — Prairie requires quality buildings. They don' t let just any old shack be built. You let a developer build a shack, he ' s going to build a shack . Dacy: Another item that we could amend, the zoning ordinance could prohibit metal buildings in certain areas. That's an option. I know Chaska has a requirement and Eden Prairie require 75% of the exterior in wood and I don't think we should go that far in the design since we don't have any design — qualified staff , architects . Simply prohibiting metal buildings would . . . Conrad : A lot of these issues Howi , I talked to Tom Hamilton about and I talked to Bill Boyt and we really would like you to participate in that group. The reason I'm bringing it up right now is, the concern that I have is that whether it was a building inspector or whoever , who called the State, there was a real sense of let's not do this so I think I need your involvement on that Howie . Planning Commission Meeting August 26, 1987 - Page 22 Noziska: I'll be happy to get a hold of Bill. Also, Bloomington. There's another example. Bloomington has corridors where they have stricter design requirements and I think there was for a time, this great big thought about us presenting a negative image in Chanhassen and we should do something. Well , if we're ever going to do something about it we're going to have to take some steps. I also know in Bloomington an issue doesn't get to the City Council before the Planning Commission likes it and then by the time the Planning Commission is through with it, that it's pretty much a rubber stamp for City Council. Not all issues but 80% of them as opposed to the way we run things, We sort of run things, we go our way, they go their's and their's is a political decision and ours is sometimes a planning decision and sometimes not but. there isn't that same sort of :mesh. I think we can learn from these other communities. Eden Prairie is just an example community to work with I think and they are just ahead of us )r we're just behind them in the development . - Conrad: Street size. Is that in zoning? Where's our street size? Is that in the subdivision ordinance? We were talking about we had concerns with how wide we were forcing people to build street and the quality of the streets in some of our three lot splits . Dacy: I thought we had put that issues to rest . - Conrad : Did we? Emmings : I couldn ' t tell you what they are but I think we did something on them. Conrad : Has that gone through? Have we changed the ordinance? - Dacy: As to the rural and the private drives, at the meeting we discussed how many lots could be served by a public road and what the ordinance provides now is a gravel roadway to city specifications in the rural area. Anything over four lots has to be upgraded but yes , we went through all that. Headla : How long does it take to change an ordinance like the beachlot definition? Dacy: I thought we just did that . Headla : The question is how long does it take to change it . Dacy: It depends on the issue. With beachlots it's going to be a little longer . Headla: Here's the point I wanted to bring up. We've got a definition right now and it's quite favorable for people to put in a beachlot. There are other people that can be looking at a beachlot and can say I guess in 5 years I'm going to do that. However, in a little while people say, we' re - getting too many beachlots. Wham , cut off from putting in anymore Planning CommissionMeeting August 26 , 1987 - Page 23 l beachlots. That is not right. What I would like to see, if we're going to have a position on beachlots, that position should be valid and if we decid to change it fine but the change can't be incorporated for a finite number of years. Am I clear in what I'm saying. It's clear in my own mind but am— I getting my point across? Dacy: The Council , as a policy can not predetermine what a future Council _ may or may not do as far as an ordinance change. If you're saying that the current ordinance is too permissive. Headla : No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying a lot of decisions are — being made right now based on that ordinance and it's probably a very good ordinance. I have no qualms about it but a lot of people are looking at that and saying in 10 years I think that's what we ought to do and in 5 years , maybe 3 years the Council is going to change that and it seems like they shouldn't be able to change that for, I don't know 1 year, 2 years or whatever . Emmings: Why? Why do you want to restrict yourself? Don't you want to retain all the flexibility you can to change anything as more information comes to light? Why do you want to tie yourself down? _ Headla : Because people are .making decisions . Emmings: Except when they decided to apply for something they have to deal with the ordinance as it exists at the time they apply and if they decide to wait 10 years , they have to take the risk that the ordinance will be the same in 10 years. If they want to get in on the present ordinance they have— to apply now. We don' t want to put ourselves in the position where we say now we've passed an ordinance and say, we are not going to change this for 10 years because it ' s not fair to people . That makes no sense to me at all . _ Erhart: Ladd, that's what I called you about that one time. We were talking about beachlots that one night. If your concerned about getting too many beachlots on the lake what you do is establish how many beachlots or how many foot of beachlot area you can have relative to the number of square feet of water on the lake and set a limit by the size of the lake and when that" much lot is on the lake , that' s the end of it. That's a way of regulating the amount of beachlots on a recreational lake. Wildermuth : Until the Council changes the parameters . Erhart : I said I think they ' re great and then you started turning red . Conrad: That's right I was irritated. I thought you were talking about your trails. I got a Lot of comments on your trail system. Erhart : Anyway, that was an idea . Headla: The property just north of my place they're going to be coming up pretty quick and they've got intentions to do that and look at all the Planning Commission Meeting August 26 , 1987 - Page 24 - other places that can be developed. What's going to happen? Is there going to be a flood of them coming in for the beachlots? Emmings : We looked at that one for a beachlot once already. Headla: It 's coming in again . Emmings: They didn't have enough area or frontage or something. I'm thinking of the one that came in just a little while ago and we said just to forget it. Emmings moved, Conrad seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in .favor and motion carried . The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 20 p .m. . Submitted by Barbara Dacy City Planner Prepared by Nann Opheim . 120- 1t0 Ai I� t 1 B t t ' t C 1_ 1 ! ! ! 1-D r! E - - ! 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However, it is in the best interest of the city to _ promote high standards of architectural design and com- 711 with surrounding structures and neighborhoods . Architectural plans shall be prepared by an architect or other qualified person acceptable to the director of plan- ning and shall show the following: 111 1) elevations of all sides of the building; 11 2) type and color of exterior building materials ; 3) a typical floor plan; . 1 4) dimensions of all structures ; and 5) the location of trash containers and of heating, 11 ventilation and air conditioning equipment. b) ; Unadorned prestressed concrete panels , concrete block and 11 I unfinished metal shall not be permitted as exterior mate- _ irials for residential or non-residential buildings . This restriction shall apply to all principal structures and to all accessory buildings except those accessory buildings not visible from any exterior property line . The city may, at its discretion, allow architecturally enhanced block or — t concrete panels . 71 c) All rooftop or ground mounted mechanical equipment and exterior trash storage areas shall be enclosed with mate- "! compatible with the principal structure. Low profile, self-contained mechanical units which blend in with the building architecture are exempt from the screening require- 11 ment. d) Underground utilities shall be provided for all new and substantially renovated structures . 11 .Subdivision 14 . Landscape Pl an lan Requirements. Landscape plans shall be prepared by a landscape architect or other qualified 11 person acceptable to the director of planning, drawn to a scale of not less than one inch equals 50 feet and shall show the following: 11 • a ) boundary lines of the property with accurate dimensions ; ii I b) locations of existing and proposed buildings , parking lots , roads and other improvements ; c) proposed grading plan with two foot contour intervals ; 1• 107 -31 �/ if'• C 5 11.03 ... stored within a completely enclosed building within all Commercial Districts, and within the confines of screening as required by the performance standards of this Chapter. Merchandise which is offered for sale as described heretofore ^ may be displayed beyond the confines of a building in any Commercial District, but the area occupied by such outdoor display shall not constitute a greater number of square feet than 10% of the ground floor area of the building housing principal use. No storage or display of any type shall be permitted within the one-half of the required front or side street setback nearest the street nor within any required interior side or rear setback. Source: Ordinance No. 82-18 Effective Date: 9-17-82 K. Designs. All sites and structures within all Districts except the Rural, R1-44, R1-22, R1-13.5, R1-9.5 -' and RM 6.5 shall be developed in accordance with plans and specifications prepared by a registered professional landscape or building architect respectively. Exterior building finishes in these Districts shall consist of materials .-. comparable in grade and quality to the following: (1) face brick; (2) natural stone; (3) specially designed precast concrete units if the surfaces have been integrally treated with an applied decorative material or texture; and, (4) factory fabricated and finished metal framed panel construction, if the panel materials be any of those named above, glass, orefinished metal (other than unpainted galvanized iron), or plastic. Wood trim shall not constitute more than 25% of the building's exterior. _ Source: Ordinance No. 72-84 Effective Date: 4-5-84 Subd. 4. Performance Standards. Uses which because of the nature of their operation are accompanied by an excess of noise, vibration, dust, dirt, smoke, odor, noxious gases, glare or wastes shall not be permitted. These standards shall be considered "excessive" when they either exceed or deviate from the limitations set forth in the following performance .. specifications: • Source: Ordinance No. 82-18 Effective Date: 9-17-82 A. Noise. Noise shall be measured on any property line of the tract on which the operation is located. Noise shall be muffled so as not to become objectionable due to intermittence, beat frequency, shrillness or intensity. The sound pressure level shall be measured with a sound level meter and on an associated octave band analyzer, both of which i are manufacture':' according to current specifications 300 (4-30-84) Malinr 121111111r. S Minnesota Pollution Control Agency DATE: ` -3! f TO: ---Z (`AY\V,\ \ZO :Qc�,<. \ C....\tv),w&,\0_ssc'v\1 YVV\\I\V\ FROM: - 1_���.��Lfi��._ PHONE: a c._ acsc ADDRESS: Minnesota Pollution Control Agency Solid and Hazardous Waste Division Hazardous Waste Section 520 Lafayette Road • St. Paul , Minnesota 55155 SUBJECT: E.- -P. -IQ Xic_�} c1 ;v‘ n,,� 4 O "e_LN\V ACC\f `M£X/0-c- \ FOR: INFORMATION C— REVIEW AND COMMENT APPROVAL AS YOU REQUESTED � d � e 2.1.4 Extraction Procedure Toxicity Introduction — The Extraction Procedure (EP) is designed to simulate the leaching a waste will undergo if disposed of in a sanitary landfill. This test is designed to simulate leaching that takes place in a sanitary landfill only. It is a laboratory test in which a representative sample of a waste is extracted with distilled water maintained at a pH of 5 using acetic acid. The extract obtained from the EP (the "EP Extract") is then analyzed to — determine if any of the thresholds established for the eight elements (arsenic, barium, cadmium, chromium, lead, mercury, selenium, silver), four pesticides (Endrin, Lindane, Methoxychlor, Toxaphene), and two herbicides _ (2,4,5-trichlorophenoxypropionic acid, 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid) have been exceeded. If the EP Extract contains any one of the above substances in an amount equal to or exceeding the levels specified in 40 CFR 261.24, the waste possesses the characteristic of Extraction Procedure Toxicity and is a hazardous waste. Summary of Procedure The Extraction Procedure consists of five steps (refer to Figure 1): — 1. Separation Procedure A waste containing unbound liquid is filtered and if the solid — phase is less than 0.5% of the waste, the solid phase is discarded and the filtrate analyzed for trace elements, pesticides, and herbicides (step 5). If the waste contains more than 0.5% solids, the solid phase — is extracted and the liquid phase stored for later use. 2. Structural Integrity Procedure/Particle Size Reduction _ Prior to extraction, the solid material must pass through a 9.5-mm (0.375-in ) standard sieve, have a surface area per gram of waste of 3.1 cm4, or, if it consists of a single piece, be subjected to the — Structural Integrity Procedure. The Structural Integrity Procedure is used to demonstrate the ability of the waste to remain intact after disposal . If the waste does not meet one of these conditions it must be ground to pass the 9.5-mm sieve. 3. Extraction of Solid Material _ The solid material from step 2 is extracted for 24 hr in an aqueous medium whose pH is maintained at or below 5 using 0.5 N acetic acid. The pH is maintained either automatically or manually. (In — acidifying to pH 5., no more than 4.0 g of acid solution per g of material being extracted may be used. ) -1 - 2 / CHARACTERISTICS - EP Toxicity Wet Waste Sample Representative Contains<0.5% Waste Sample Wet Waste Sample Nonfilterable > 100 Grams , Contains>0.5% Solids Nonfilterable 1 Solids •� Dry Waste Sample Liquid Solid Separation Solid Solid Liquid Solid t Separation Discard • Liquid Particle Size Liquid >9.5mm < 9.5mm Monolithic 4, 4, Sample Size Structural Reduction Integrity Procedure w Store at 4°C 4 )' Extraction of Solid Wasteat pH = 2 Solid Liquid Solid Separation 1 1_ Discard Liquid EP Extract 4, Analysis Methods • Figure 1. Extraction Procedure Flowchart. -2- Introduction ; Regulatory Definition / 3 4. Final Separation of the Extraction from the Remaining Solid After extraction, the liquid:solid ratio is adjusted to 20: 1 and _ the mixed solid and extraction liquid are separated by filtration. the solid is discarded and the liquid combined with any filtrate obtained in step 1. This is the EP Extract that is analyzed and compared to the threshold listed in Table 1 of 40 CFR 261.24. 5. Testing (Analysis) of EP Extract Inorganic and organic species are identified and quantified using the appropriate methods in the 7000 and 8000 series of methods in this manual. Regulatory Definition A solid waste exhibits the characteristic of EP toxicity if, using the appropriate test methods described in this manual or equivalent methods approved by the Administrator under the procedures set forth in 40 CFR 260.20 and 260.21, the extract from a representative sample of the waste contains any of the contaminants listed in Table 1 at a concentration equal to or greater than the respective value given in that Table. If a waste contains less than 0.5% filterable solids, the waste itself, after filtering, is considered to be the extract for the purposes of analysis. A solid waste that exhibits the characteristic of EP toxicity, but is not listed as a hazardous waste in Subpart D, is assigned EPA Hazardous Waste Numbers that correspond to the toxic contaminants causing it to be hazardous. These numbers are specified in Table 1. • -3- 4 / CHARACTERISTICS - EP Toxicity TABLE 1 . MAXIMUM CONCENTRATION OF CONTAMINANTS FOR CHARACTERISTIC OF EP TOXICITY EPA Maximum Hazardous 'Waste concentration Number Contaminant (mg/1 ) 0004 Arsenic 5.0 D005 Barium 100.0 D006 Cadmium 1.0 D007 Chromium 5.0 0008 Lead 5.0 D009 Mercury 0.2 D010 Selenium 1.0 — D011 Silver 5.0 0012 Endrin (1,2,3,4,10,10-Hexachloro-1 0.02 7-epoxy-1,4,4a,5,6,7,8,8a-octahydro-1 4-endo, endo-5,8-dimethanonaph- thalene) D013 Lindane (1,2,3,4,5,6- 0.4 Hexachlorocyclohexane, gamma isomer D014 Methoxychlor (1,1,1-Trichloro-2,2-bis 10.0 (p-methoxyphenyl )ethane) 0015 Toxaphene (C1OH1OC18, Technical 0.5 chlorinated camphene, 67-69% chlorine) D016 2,4-D (2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid) 10.0 0017 2,4,5-TP (Silvex) (2,4,5- 1.0 Trichlorophenoxypropionic acid) -4- METHOD 1310 EXTRACTION PROCEDURE (EP) TOXICITY TEST METHOD — AND STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TEST 1.0 Scope and Application 1.1 The extraction procedure (EP) described in this method is designed — to simulate the leaching a waste will undergo if disposed of in an improperly designed sanitary landfill . Method 1310 is applicable to liquid, solid, and multiphasic samples. 2.0 Summary of Method 2.1 If a representative sample of the waste contains more than 0.5% solids, the solid phase of the sample is extracted with deionized water which is maintained at a pH of 5 + 0.2 using acetic acid. The extract is analyzed to determine if any of the threshold limits listed in Table 1 are exceeded. Table 1 also specifies the approved method of analysis. Wastes that contain less than 0.5% solids are not subjected to extraction, but are directly analyzed and evaluated in a manner identical to that of extracts. — 3.0 Interferences — 3.1 Potential interferences that may be encountered during analysis are discussed in the individual analytical methods referenced in Table 1. _ 4.0 Apparatus and Materials 4.1 Extractor: For purposes of this test, an acceptable extractor is one that will impart sufficient agitation to the mixture to (1) prevent stratification of the sample and extraction fluid and (2) ensure that all sample surfaces are continuously brought into contact with well-mixed extrac- tion fluid. Examples of suitable extractors are shown in Figures 1-3 of this method and Section 2.2 (Mobility) of this manual and are available from Associated Designs & Manufacturing Co. , Alexandria, Virginia; Glas-Col Apparatus Co. , Terre Haute, Indiana; Millipore, Bedford, Massachusetts ; and Rexnard, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 4.2 pH Meter or pH Controller (Chemtrix, Inc. , Hillsboro, Oregon is a possible source of a pH controller). 4.3 Filter holder: A filter holder capable of supporting a 0.45-µ filter membrane and able to withstand the pressure needed to accomplish separation. Suitable filter holders range from simple vacuum units to relatively complex systems that can exert up to 5.3 kg/cm (75 psi ) of — pressure. • The type of filter holder used depends upon the properties of the mixture to be filtered. Filter holders known to EPA and deemed suitable for use are listed in Table 2. Revised 4/84 -5- 1310 / 2 • TABLE 1. MAXIMUM CONCENTRATION OF CONTAMINANTS FOR CHARACTERISTIC OF EP TOXICITY f Maximum concentration Analytical Contaminant (mg/1 ) method Arsenic 5.0 7060, 7061 Barium 100.0 7080, 7081 Cadmium 1.0 7130, 7131 -' Total Chromium 5.0 7190, 7191 Hexavalent Chromium 5.0 7195, 7196, 7197 Lead 5.0 7420, 7421 Mercury 0.2 7470 Selenium 1.0 7740, 7741 Silver 5.0 7760, 7761 Endrin (1,2,3,4,10,10-Hexachloro-1 0.02 8080 7-epoxy-1,4,4a,5,6,7,8,8a-octahydro-1 4-endo, endo-5,8-dimethanonaph- thalene) Lindane (1,2,3,4,5,6- 0.4 8080 Hexachlorocyclohexane, gamma isomer) Methoxychlor (1,1,1-Trichloro-2,2-bis 10.0 8080 (p-methoxyphenyl )ethane) Toxaphene (C10H10C18, Technical 0.5 8080 chlorinated camphene, 67-69% chlorine) 2,4-0 (2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid) 10.0 8150 2,4,5-TP (Silvex) (2,4,5- 1.0 8150 Trichlorophenoxypropionic acid) -6- 131C / 3 4 5.0 ..4 .25 Teel. i ILN. op. ''/-N ar M� I L. I Non-Clogging Sw000r, Busning 1 Inch Blade at 30° to Hor.zonta; — Figure 1 . 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Table 3 lists filter media known to the agency and generally found to be suitable for solid waste testing. 4.4.1 In cases of doubt, contact the filter manufacturer to determine if the membrane or the prefilter are adversely affected by the particular waste. If no information is available, submerge the filter in the waste's liquid phase. After 48 hr, a filter that — undergoes visible physical change (i .e. , curls, dissolves, shrinks, or swells) is unsuitable for use. TABLE 2. EPA-APPROVED FILTER HOLDERS Manufacturer Size Model No. Comments Vacuum Filters — Nalgene 500 ml 44-0045 Disposable plastic unit, includes prefilter and filter pads, and reservoir; should be used when solution is to be analyzed for inorganic constituents Nuclepore 47 mm 410400 Millipore 47 mm XX10 047 00 Pressure Filters Nuclepore 142 mm 425900 Micro Filtration 142 mm 302300 Systems Millipore 142 mm YT30 142 HW -10- 1310 / 7 TABLE 3. EPA-APPROVED FILTRATION MEDIA Filter to be used Filter to be used Supplier for aqueous systems for organic systems Coarse Prefilter Gelman 61631, 61635 61631, 61635 — Nuclepore 210907, 211707 210907, 211707 Millipore AP25 035 00, AP25 035 00, AP25 127 50 AP25 127 50 Medium prefilters Nuclepore 210905, 211705 210905, 211705 Millipore AP20 035 00, AP20 035 00, AP20 124 50 AP20 124 50 Fine prefilters Gelman 64798, 64803 64798, 64803 — Nuclepore 210903, 211703 210903, 211703 Millipore AP15 035 00, AP15 035 00, AP15 124 50 AP15 124 50 Fine filters (0.45 dun) Gelman 60173, 60177 60540 or 66149, — 60544 or 66151 Pall NX04750, NX14225 — Nuclepore 142218 142218a Millipore HAWP 047 00, FHUP 047 00,HAWP 142 50 FHLP 142 50 Selas 83485-02, 83485-02, — 83486-02 83486-02 aSusceptible to decomposition by certain polar organic solvents. -11 - — r" 1310 / 8 4.4.2.1 Prepare a standard solution of the chemical species of interest. 4.4.2.2 Analyze the standard for its concentration of the chemical species . 4.4.2.3 Filter the standard and re-analyze. If the concen- tration of the filtrate differs from the original standard, the filter membrane leaches or absorbs one or more of the chemical species. 4.5 Structural integrity tester: Having a 3.18-cm (1.25-in. ) diameter hammer weighing 0.33 kg (0.73 lb) and having a free fall of 15.24 cm (6 in. ) shall be used. This device is available from Associated Design and Manufac- _ turing Company, Alexandria, VA 22314, as Part No. 125, or it may be fabri- cated to meet the specifications shown in Figure 4. 5.0 Reagents 5.1 Deionized water: Water should be monitored for impurities. 5.2 0.5 N acetic acid: This can be made by diluting concentrated glacial acetic acid (17.5 N). The glacial acetic acid should be of high purity and monitored for impurities. 5.3 Analytical standards should be prepared according to the analytical methods referenced in Table 1. 6.0 Sample Collection, Preservation and Handling 6.1 All samples must be collected using a sampling plan that addresses the considerations discussed in Section One of this manual . 6.2 Preservatives must not be added to samples. 6.3 Samples can be refrigerated if it is determined that refrigeration will not affect the integrity of the sample. 7.0 Procedure 7.1 If the waste does not contain any free liquid, go to Section 7.9. If the sample is liquid or multiphase, continue as follows. Weigh filter — membrane and prefilter to +0.01 g. Handle membrane and prefilters with blunt curved-tip forceps of vacuum tweezers , or by applying suction with a pipette. . -12- 1310 / 9 le ., Ic.... F Vi CcmbineC 1176 1:)."111 4,• We g; _ .33 kg (.73 ;bl yiil d , 1 I� 1 b L ' i —.--- — �L A d (2.15 cm) .41 rTi ii.i....._,„Tr...._ 0.25") "4,,, -15.25 cn H oi 1 • n (6•') of sample — N r E;astomer�c (.....:4 ri rill...2"i �� . � r;,:i 44 T / / 1, J^ • '''. 1.41 f :: • i Aki ..,..' •.6. • =• ti 7.1 cm 1 '''--. r:::. II ,,ems, -. — _ .. . : i I _ 11 i'/�r 1 11 — k ilk 9.4 :m _)„,„ (3.7") i • • Elartomeric sample hoicer fabrlcatec of material firm enough to support tie sample. — Figure 4. Compaction tester. -13- .r 1310 / 10 7.2 Assemble filter holder, membranes , and prefilters following the manufacturer's instructions. Place the 0.45-µm membrane on the support screen and add prefilters in ascending order of pore size. Do not prewet filter membrane. 7.3 Weigh out a representative subsample of the waste (100 g minimum). 7.4 Allow slurries to stand to permit the solid phase to settle. Wastes that settle slowly may be centrifuged prior to filtration. 7.5 Wet the filter with a small portion of the waste's or extraction mixture's liquid phase. Transfer the remaining material to the filter holder and apply vacuum or gentle pressure (10-15 psi ) until all liquid passes through the filter. Stop filtration when air or pressurizing gas moves through the membrane. If this point is not reached under vacuum or gentle pressure, slowly increase the pressure in 10-psi increments to 75 psi. Halt filtration when liquid flow stops. This liquid will constitute part or all of the extract (refer to Section 7.16). The liquid should be refrigerated until time of analysis. NOTE: Oil samples or samples which contain oil are treated in exactly the same way as any other sample. The liquid portion of the sample is filtered and treated as part of the EP extract. If the liquid portion of the sample will not filter (this is usually the case with heavy oils or greases) it is carried through the EP extraction as a solid. 7.6 Remove the solid phase and filter media and, while not allowing it to dry, weight to +0.01 g. The wet weight of the residue is determined by calculating the weight difference between the weight of the filters (Section 7.1) and the weight of the solid phase and the filter media. 7.7 The waste will be handled differently from this point on depending on whether it contains more of less than 0.5% solids. If the sample appears to have less than 0.5% solids, the percent solids will be determined by the following procedure. 7.7.1 Dry the filter and residue at 80' C until two successive weighings yield the same value. 7.7.2 Calculate the percent solids using the following equation: weight of filtered _ tared weight solid and filters of filters x 100 = % solids initial weight of waste material NOTE: This procedure is only used to determine whether the solid must be extracted or whether it can be discarded unextracted. It Revised 4/84 -14- .. 1310 / 11 is not used in calculating the amount of water or acid to use in the extraction step. Do not extract solid material that has been dried at 80' C. A new sample will have to be used for extraction if a percent solids determination is performed. 7.8 If the solid comprises less than 0.5% of the waste, discard the — solid and proceed immediately to Section 7.17, treating the liquid phase as the extract. 7.9 The solid material obtained from Section 7.5 and all materials that — do not contain free liquids should be evaluated for particle size. If the • solid material has a surface area per gram of material equal to or greater than 3.1 cm or passes through a 9.5-mm (0.375-in. ) standard sieve, the — operator should proceed to Section 7.11. If the surface area is smaller or the particle size larger than specified above, the solid material would be prepared for extraction by crushing, cutting or grinding the material so _ that it passes through a 9.5-mm (0.375-in. ) sieve or, if the material is in a single piece, by subjecting the material to the "Structural Integrity Procedure" described in Section 7.10. 7.10 Structural Integrity Procedure (SIP) : 7.10.1 Cut a 3.3-cm-diameter by 7.1-cm-long cylinder from the waste material . For wastes that have been treated using a fixation process, the waste may be cast in the form of a cylinder and allowed to cure for 30 days prior to testing. 7.10.2 Place waste into sample holder and assemble the tester. Raise the hammer to its maximum height and drop. Repeat 14 additional times. — 7.10.3 Remove solid material from tester and scrape off any particles adhering to sample holder. Weigh the waste to the nearest _ 0.01 g and transfer it to the Extractor. 7.11 If the sample contains more than 0.5% solids, use the wet weight of the solid phase obtained in Section 7.6 for purposes of calculating the amount of liquid and acid to employ for extraction by using the following equation: W = Wf - Wt — where: W = wet weight in grams of solid to be charged to extractor Wf = wet weight in grams of filtered solids and filter media — Wt '= weight in grams of tared filters. -15- 1310 / 12 If the waste does not contain any free liquids, 100 g of the material will be subjected to the extraction procedure. _ 7.12 Place the appropriate amount of material (refer to Section 7.11) into the extractor and add 16 times its weight of deionized water. 7.13 After the solid material and deionized water are placed in the extractor, the operator should begin agitation and measure the pH of the solution in the extractor. If the pH is greater than 5.0, the pH of the solution should be decreased to 5.0 + 0.2 by adding 0.5 N acetic acid. If the pH is equal to or less than 5.0, no acetic acid should be added. The pH of the solution should be monitored, as described below, during the course of the extraction and, if the pH rises above 5.2, 0.5 N acetic acid should be added to bring the pH down to 5.0 + 0.2. However, in no event shall the — aggregate amount of acid added to the solution exceed 4 ml of acid per gram of solid. The mixture should be agitated for 24 hr and maintained at 20'-40' C (68'-104' F) during this time. It is recommended that the operator monitor and adjust the pH during the course of the extraction with a device such as the Type 45-A pH Controller manufactured by Chemtrix, Inc. , Hills- boro, Oregon 97123 or its equivalent, in conjunction with a metering pump _ and reservoir of 0.5 N acetic acid. If such a system is not available, the following manual procedure shall be employed. 7.13.1 A pH meter should be calibrated in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications. 7.13.2 The pH of the solution should be checked and, if necessary, 0.5 N acetic acid should be manually added to the extractor until the pH reaches 5.0 + 0.2. The pH of the solution should be adjusted at 15-, 30-, and 60-min intervals, moving to the next longer interval if the pH _ does not have to be adjusted more than 0.5 pH units. 7.13.3 The adjustment procedure should be continued for at least 6 hr. • 7.13.4 If, at the end of the 24-hr extraction period, the pH of the solution is not below 5.2 and the maximum amount of acid (4 ml per gram of solids) has not been added, the pH should be adjusted to 5.0 + 0.2 and the extraction continued for an additional 4 hr, during whic.F the pH should be adjusted at 1-hr intervals. 7.14 At the end of the extraction period, deionized water should be added to the extractor in an amount determined by the following equation: V = (20) (W) - 16(W) - A where: V = ml deionized water to be added W = weight in g of solid charged to extractor A = ml of 0.5 N acetic acid added during extraction -16- 1310 / 13 7.15 The material in the extractor should be separated into its compo- nent liquid and solid phases in the following manner.7.15.1 Allow slurries to stand to permit the solid phase to settle (wastes that are slow to settle may be centrifuged prior to filtration) and set up the filter apparatus (refer to Section 4.3 and 4.4). — 7.15.2 Wet the filter with a small portion of the waste's or extraction mixture's liquid phase. Transfer the remaining material to the filter holder and apply vacuum or gentle pressure (10-15 psi ) until all liquid passes through the filter. Stop filtration when air or pressurizing gas moves through the membrane. If this point is not reached under vacuum or gentle pressure, slowly increase the pressure in 10 psi increments to 75 psi . Halt filtration when liquid flow stops. 7.16 The liquids resulting from Sections 7.5 and 7.15 should be combined. This combined liquid (or the waste itself if it has less than 0.5% solids, as noted in Section 7.8) is the extract and should be analyzed for the presence of any of the contaminants specified in Table 1 using the Analytical Proce- dures designated in Section 7.17. 7.17 The extract will be prepared and analyzed according to the analyt- ical methods specified in Table 1. All of these analytical methods are — included in this manual . The method of standard addition will be employed for all metal analyses. NOTE: If the EP extract includes two phases , concentration of contaminants —' is determined by using a simple weighted average. For example: An EP extract contains 50 ml of oil and 1,000 ml of an aqueous phase. Contaminant concentrations are determined for each phase. The final contamination — concentration is taken to be (50) (contaminant conc. in oil ) + (1,000) (contaminant conc. of aqueous phase) — 1,050 1,050 • 7.184 The extract concentrations are compared to the maximum contamina- tion limits listed in Table 1. If the extract concentrations are equal to or greater than the respective values , then the waste is considered to be EP toxic.1 'Chromium concentrations have to be interpreted differently. A waste containing chromium will be determined to be EP toxic if (1) the waste extract has an initial pH of less than 7 and contains more than 5 mg/1 of hexavalent — chromium in the resulting extract , or (2) the waste extract has an initial pH greater than 7 and a final pH greater than 7 and contains more than 5 mg/1 of hexavalent chromium in the extract, or (3) the waste extract has an initial pH greater than 7 and a final pH less than 7 and contains more than 5 mg/1 of total chromium, unless the chromium is trivalent. To determine whether the chromium is trivalent, the sample must be processed according to an alkaline digestion method (Method 3060) and analyzed for hexavalent -- chromium (Methods 7195, 7196, or 7197). -17- 1310 / 14 8.0 Quality Control 8.1 All quality control data should be maintained and available for 1 easy reference or inspection. 8.2 Employ a minimum of one blank per sample batch to determine if contamination or any memory effects are occurring. 8.3 All quality control measures suggested in the referenced analytical methods should be followed. • -18- Minnesota Pollution Control Agency Hazardous Waste Division 520 Lafayette Road St. Paul, Minnesota 55155 — (612) 296-7790 Hazardous Waste Disposal Services and Facilities — Septether, 1986 The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MICA) maintains the following list of hazardous waste management/ — disposal facilities solely as a service to Minnesota generators. The information was voluntarily supplied by the companies and is not necessarily a carplete list of available services. The list, and the additional information described below, does not endorse specific facilities. The MICA, by — providing this list, and the additional information described below, does not represent that the companies are or are not in compliance with applicable laws. The MPCA cautions all generators that they are responsible for insuring that the hazardous waste manageint companies they use carply with the requirements of state and — federal law. The MPCA further cautions generators to personally evaluate the services and compliance status of any companies they use to manage hazardous waste. The MICA has more detailed information for the companies included on the list. The information includes another version of the list which provides information on waste types accepted, management methods and other services. This list is available on a lirrrited basis. Additionally, the MICA maintains a file which may contain company brochures, correspondence and other informtion for the listed companies.The list that follows is sorted alphabetically by state and company name. The MICA periodically updates this list. — ALLWORTH EN'T'r PRISE, INC. CONTACTS: LE9L FE ALLEN * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (205) E41.707 PERMIiiEi, BY EPf, AND ALA",M„ D.E.M. 500 ?EDCO ROAD PRIMARILY SOLVE!TS — BIRMINGfCAM, AL 35217 ( ) EPA-IC4ik ALf094476793 NO P OR K Libiti+ WASTES CHEMICAL WASTE ?IANAGE?ENT, INC. CONTACTS: RODGER 1ENSON * RCRA S,ATi3S/CO TS 4 — (205) 652972I INTERIM STATUS - PART B LP,4?R REVFEL P.C. BOX 55 WASTE MGMT. INC. (ILLINOIS) MOST RCRA WASTE - LANiiFILL IS FINAL EMELL E, AL 65459 (312) 6548800 EPA-FDif ALD000622464 DISPOOSITION INCINERATOR PLANNED FUELS AND CHEMICALS, INC. CONTACTS: MARK SifErFFLESi& TH * RCRA STATiS/COM1ENTS (205) 5664544 NEW FACILITY - FINAL PART B IS PEN TIN P.O. BOX 726 £32 D007 D008 F003 F005 K022 K048 — COALING, AL 35449 ( ) EPA-ID# ALIf9BO559E'5. K051 KCC+62 RCYCLE/C+ThER CHEM. TRT1'EN M & M CHEMICALS, INC. CONTACTS: JIM fiCC'LENT N * RCA STATUS/CORENTTS 4 - (205) 5383800 PERMITTED BY EPA PO ALABAMA D.E.M. P.O. BOX 291 Fni?SAF;ILI' cOUF?f?S GADSEN, AL 35902 ( ) EPA-FD6 AL0070513767 NO P OR K LISTED WASTES DIAZ REFPERY, INC. CONTACTS: ERNEST MONP,C,7 * RCRA STATLFS/CO ENTS P.O. BOX 230 (501) 5233779 INTERIM ETATJS PART B VAN DYKE ROAD PRIMARILY SOLVENT TYPE WASTES — DIAZ, AR 72043 ( ) EPA-II31 ARD092915735 1 r . S(0,14K �( rc+,?P(T5: C►ARIEf kf{?ETtTf.rN/+, Fla-7':46f.h , ,----_PA 4iATLK,?ft4PEry-c (S)t*, Ala }7? IMT`Pi!( -:Y; 1•c a F-. . E Ea57 ALTERNATE I I RAPT P r.• 'r' !;=FATCtit �ri.T kCk'e ;;:. ;r l c �t •- AR 71:10 (5C.1) -362226 EPA-IP* .'.C.:174S1 r. SOME RESTRICTIONS :1;_ k4 ..:4L• CI-FM (CP t'r•F-!!iCAr_•z% CONTACTS: SITE PHONE * RCRA STATES/COWElT3 + (213) 6696f1036 INTERIM STATUS PART B '3g5} •'• OICE DAVID BRICKLEY (CIRCUIT CHEM.) METRE RECOVERY SANTE FE SPRINGS CA 9067O (612) 4792006 .EPA-IDS CA1100E466'025 PRIMARILY CU OR NI BEARING_ WASTE ... LANDFILL SERVICE CORP. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 ECM 6B (319} 3456316 RCRA CLOSURE CANDIDATE 104 BLACTO4A K ST. NO LONGER ACCEPTING HAZARDOUS WASTE REINBECK, IA 50669 ( ) EPA-IC4 i007524c35 ENVIROSAaFE SSETRVICES OF FDAHO CONTACTS: DAVE ASPITARTE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS (208) 3E41500 INTERIM STATUS PART B P.O. BOX 417 JAMET• KRONWALL (REGION( REP.) LANDFILL RESTRICTIONS APPLY BOISE ID 83701 (303) 4994619 EPA-ID4 ID0073114654 ACCEPTS MAST RCRA WASTES A.MEFCIAN WASTE fROCESSING,INC. CONTACTS: FTC BROWN * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (312) 6813999 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW P.O. BOX 306 MOST RCRA WASTE NO PESTICIDES OR PCB MAYWOOD FL 60153 (312) 5201393 EPA-FDA ILD0OO716894 B.F.I. OF ILLINOIS (CECOS) CONTACTS: SITE PHONE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (312) 7465777 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW 2230 ERNEST KRUEGER CIRCLE .. DAN DUTTON NO LIQUIDS EXPLOSIVES OR ACIDS 4N 1, IL 6,00Cn (312) 6233870 EPA-ID4 1LD980700728 OTHER LANDFILL RESTRICTIONS C.F.D. LANDFILL (WASTE MGMT. INC.) CONTACTS: BILL KARPAS * RCRA STARE/COMMENTS * (312) 8911500 INTERIM STATUS 133TH AND CALUMET EXPRESSWAY M1OST RCRA WASTES CALUMET CITY, IL 60409 (312) 6462777 EPA-IDE I00102f:424e LANDFILL F£STRICTICA(S C.P. INORGANICS, INC. CONTACTS: 1T?l SEIM 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (815) 7271074 - INTERIM STATUS - PART B (RIDER REVIEW • INDUSTRIAL AVE. NARROW RANGE PERMIT FOR CU AND NI JOLIET, FL 60435 ( ) EPA-FD* FLDO6248O350 WASTES. NO MULTIPLE COMPONENTS ETC. CEN-CLEAR, INC. CONTACTS: MATT THOMPSON * RCRA STATUS/COI9ENTS * (312) 6466202 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW 11800 S: STONY ISLAND AVE. MARK LOMEGRA METAL SLUDGES PLATING BATHS BOILER SOL CHICAGO IL 60617 (3121 6466202 EPA-IDE I000O6O8471 MISC. INORGANIC NO FLAl41ABLES Cl STC41 ORGANICS- CHICAC4 CONTACTS: GILBERT GAVLIN 4 RCRA STATUS/COMP'ENTS 4 (312) 2472823 INTERIM STATUS 1445 WEST 42ND STRE T SOLVENT TYPE WASTE - OTHER ORGANICS . CHICAGO, IL 60639 ( ) EPA-IDi I00055450697 LIQUID'S ONLY E W R CORPORATION CONTACTS: ROBERT BLONDIN * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (615) 6342211 PART 6 FILED 4/29/65 POST OFFICE BOX 160 SOLVENT; PAINTS OILS ORGANICS ETC. COAL CITY, IL �(,416 ( ) EPA-ID4 )LDO67'.S'351 WASTE PP KT BURN- FLASH POINT DELC4d !4(.. ENVIRTTE CORP. (LIPIJICDN CORP.) CONTACTS: COI AS NEUMAN * RCFA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (312) 5967040 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEU 16435 CEWT AVE. KAREN LYMIAN INORGANIC WASTES ONLY HARCEY, IL 60426 (312) 5967040 EPA-I14 ILD0O0666206 METALS CORROSIVES MISC. ETC. 2 1•, w:FESSON ENVIROSYSTE►YS COMPANY CONTACTS: 45. „LAVE 01.*GOW.41 • ACRA '�iF,i'�►I4 .1mMENT; • •"'12 ..tc4. !NTFPIM STATUS h;:_ EA';i 13'a T4 ;iP!EEiT 4CFES311Ne :'r. — !+'L'=. �OLVEWT TYPE WAST_ E.:.,L ON, IL 60419 (612) 76:92403 EF:r1DN IL096061 .. S C A CHEMICAL SERVICES CONTACTS: SITE PHONE + (:.RA STATUS/COMMENTS + (312) 54657ri0 INTERIM STATUS - PART E INTER REVIEW — 11700 SOUTH STONY ISLAND BILL G4)4_IN INCINERATION - MOST RCRA WASTES CHICA 0, IL 60617 (312) 8418360 EPA-ID4 ILD000672121 SOME RESTRICCTIONS SAFETY - KLEEN CORPORATION CONTACTS: MIKE BOVEE + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + (612) 6901022 PERMITTED STORAGE/TRANSFER 655 BIG TIMBER ROAD BOB DAVIS (ELGIN IL.I CUSTOMERS ONLY SGIVENi ELGIN IL 60120 (312) 69764660 EPA-ID# MND0O03861E8 BURNSVILLE SITE - MOVING TO EACAN SAFETY-FLEEN CORP. CONTACTS: INDUSTRIAL SOLVENTS DEFT. 4 RCS STATUS/COMMENTS + (312) 6978460 PART B APPROVED 3/84 — 777 BIG TIMBER ROAD BOB DAVIS THIS IS THE MAIN PLANT FECIEVTNG ELGIN, IL 60123 (312) 6978460 EPA-ID# ILD6Ok305911 MN. SAFETY-KLEEN WASTE SAFETY EEN CORP. (CLO 4ET SITE) CONTACTS: BOB DAVIS (ELGIN IL.) * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + — :L 1302 16TH STREET CLOQQUET, MN (312) 66976460 PERMITTED STCRNI/TRAN<SFFER 655 BIG TIMBER ROAD PHIL MELZARK CUSTOMERS ONLY ELGIN IL 60120 (216) 6792164 EPA-IDR MHD000686170 WASTE SENT TO ELGIN IL. PLANT -- SAFETY-KLEEN CORP. (ST. PAUL SITE) CONTACTS: DENNIS HEAVER 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (612) 4327831 PERMIINEi) STORAGE/TRANSFER _ 777 BIG TIMBER ROAD BOB DAVIS (ELGIN IL.) CUSTOMERS ONLY ELGIN IL 60120 - (312) 6978460 EPA-ID# MND000'323823 WASTE SENT TO ELGIN IL. PLANT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CHEMICAL CO. CONTACTS: ROBERT EVANS + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + — P.O. BOX 432 (815) 9232136 INTERIM STATUS PART B METAL RECOVERY MAINLY CU AND NI UNION IL 60180 ( ) EPA-IDI ILD059463081 TRADE WASTE INCINERATOR INC. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (618) 2412804 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW #1 maBILE STREET BILL GAMLIN INCINERATION - MOST RCRA WASTE SAUGET, IL 62201 (312) 8418360 EPA-ID# ILD098642424 SOME RESTRICTIONS APPLY ADAMS CENTER LANDFILL CONTACTS: WENPELL LATTZ + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + — (219) 4475565 INTERIM STATUS PART B IJ )ER REVIEW 4636 ADAMS CENTER ROAD JOHN KERR (REGION REP.) MOST RCRA WASTES FORT WAYNE IN 46606 (414) 2556655 E A-ID# TND078911146 LANDFILL RESTRICTIONS - NO LIQUIIS ETC AMERICAN CHEMICAL SERVICE, INC. CONTACTS: WALT WAGONER 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (219) 9244370 INTERIM STATUS PART 9 UNDER REVIEW 420 SOUTH COLFAX PUMPABLE AND FLAKMABLE LIQUIDS ONLY _ GRIFFITH, IN 46:319 ( ) EPA-IDI IND016360265 BY-PRODUCTS MANAGEW-WT, INC. CONTACTS: RON TEN)IY + RCRA STATES/COMMENT + (21°) 3222560 INTERIM STATUS — 1150 JUNCTION AVE. MOST RCRA WASTES C:-I—REF/HIE. Its •:07.25 r ) EPA-ID# INI62r,97:965 RECYCLE CNE!.YREAT NE_TRAL I E — INDUSTRIAL F1_{ELS AND RESOURCES CONTACTS: SITE PHONE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + (219) 2340441 INTERIM STATUS PART 9 UNDER REVIEW 604 S. SHIFT STREET CHARLES WESSELS (REGION REP.) SOLVENTS OILS PAINTS ORGANICS SOUTH IN[) IN 46625 (312) 5973360 EPA-IDI IND980590947 RECYCLE C*MSITE BLEW OFF-SITE _ 3 — I. MASON METALS s'r_. I++ CONTACTS: V+1( E. MASON P,r}, :;,; �c + RCPA STATUS/COMMENTS s :?% 3658.14i 14TEPTM STATUS M rESSOH :C1,i F1c AND CHEMICAL A CORP. CONTACTS:. SITE PH')€ 1=; WEST _� -v c * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (502) :45245? ?fig) CCH4CEIILDI PERMIT ISSUED FOR STORAGE 3/86 MCKESSON CO. SOLVENT TYPE WASTES FORT WAYNE IN 46802 (612) 7892403 EPA-(li# );Y:h+51346108 NATIONAL ELECTRIC, INC. CONTACTS: BILL HAWKS { RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (316) 25163:30 EYE., P.O. BOX 935 JCA�( HL?(°{Ht1/r+AV?I+ F. REGULATED UrER TOSCA F}-1=EYVILLE KS 67337 PCB ONLY .337 (612) 4693475 EPA-ID4 K59930364993 1 P.P.M. INC. CONTACTS: EiARY MCFI!FISTFCN( + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS } (913) 6214206 TOSCA REGULATES 10 CENTRAL AVE. EARL FINDER (REGION REP.) PCBS ONLY — KANSAS CITY KS 66118 (612) 6330244 EPA-ID% M01)0692 7549 L.W.B., ?N• . P.W CONTACTS: AMOSSHEITON/)Esc( Mi KIN1EY f RCRA STATUSIt:t (�g f F X 327 (502) 3959313 INTERIM STATUS PART B U DER REVIEW �.ALVERT CITY KY 42029TREATMENT BY INCINERATION ( ) EPA-JD* KYD08843E:617 MOST RCRA WASTE SOME RESTRICTIONS — L.W.1)., INC. CONTACTS: AMOS SHLETON * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS f (502) 3953313 PERMITTED 9 P.O. BOXS'27 1;30/85 KEAN MCKIN►EY APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS FOR INCINERATION CP VERT CITY KY 42029 E5021 :3959313 EPA-ID# kYD039438874 ALSO ACCEPTS NON-HAZARDOUS BROWNING FERRIS INDUSTRIES (CECOS) CONTACTS: BUTCH ELKIN * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS (318) 5276857 INTERIM STATUS PART B — P.O. BOX 669 X L. .NBO 6, LA 70669MOST RCRA WASTES LANDFILL ON-SITE AND (504) 6867252 EPA-ID# LAD000618256 OTHER INCINERATOR AND OTHER OFF-SITE CECOS INTERNATIONAL (I+.f.i.) CONTACTS: STEW _k1COBS * RGPA STATUS/COMMENTS (5041 6967252 INTERIM STATUS PART B P.O. + 669 SITE PHONEPO. BOXK 6, MOST RCRA WASTE LANDFILL API) OMER LISTOLA 70754 f504) 6367230 EPA-ID# LA{)000418292 ON-SITE INCINERATOR AND OTHER OFFSITE CHEMICAL.WASTE MANAGEMENT CONTACTS: LAURA K. _k}NES RT. 2, BOX 1935 * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS(1f8( BRANNON 35aD (318) 5832144 INTERIM STATUS PART B UNDER REVIEW JOH N KUPAR/CONTROLLED WASTE MOST RCRA WASTES LANDFILL AND OTHER CARLYSS LA 70663 (414) 2556655 EPA-IDI 00000777201 ONSITE INCINERATOR AND 1.:..;:., OTHE3t OFFSITE ROLLINS E1N1R IAL SERVICES.. INC. CONTACTS: PAUiA J. ARDNT * RERA STATUS/COPPENIS t (504) 7781234 INTERIM STATUS PART B CINDER REVIEW 13351 SCENIC HWY., P.O, 73877 MOST RCRA WASTES INCINERATOR BATON ROWE LA 70907 f ) EPA-ID4 LAD010395127 LANDFILL AND OTHER METHODS — CHEM-CLEAR CONTACTS: TOM KALIL * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS t C301) 6E53910 INTERIM STATUS PART B 1910 RUSSELL ST. f�LT?Mr,c MD 21230MOST RCRA WASTE MEAT ON SITE THEN (312) 6466202 EPA-ID# MOD990555189 DISPC+S,AL OFFSITE CHEM-mET C[+)1 T A+=TS:: JAMES TURNER + RCk4 STATUS/rOIENTc (313) 292925O INTERIM STATUS PART B ENDER REVIEW 16550 ALLEN ROAD MOST RCRA WASTE - TREATMENT - RECYCLE WYANDOTTE, MT 43192 ( ) EPA-ID4 MDD09b467194 per(. FIXATION - TRANSFER STATION 4 a 1 Ni041,-,A4 E.F.pclAL rr.INT,j:TS: DH04C. * rR1_PA _ .... - ri}c4T_ . , -._. NORTi I 94 =EN':rICE DRIVE ' FICfE MAINLY SO, IDI=iC -:N ETC. PR.'PRi9A TC. BELLEVILLE, MI 4E:111 (313) 697783( EPA-ID# MIW0724S331 LANDFILLING AT WAVE PISPOSA NELSi!N INDUSTRIAL SERVICES- DEfROIT CONTACTS: SANDRA SH •ARS 4 RCRA £TATUS!C_DMM NTS 4 (313) 9331850 INTERIM STATUS FART E E?FDER REVIEW !2::81 SCHAEFER HIGHWAY RANDY PLANCK_ INORGANIC WASTES ONLY DETROIT, MI 4:3227 (313) 9331330 EPA-ID# MID098011992 CYANIDES HIGHLY CONCENTRATED -- FEIRO-CHEM PROCESSING CONTACTS: XXXX t RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS t (313) 5529227 INTERIM STATUS 421 LYCA:3TE FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS FOR F►EL-BLENDING DETROIT, MI 48214 ( I EPA-ID# M1D990615298 SOLVENTS OILS ETC. NAPE DISPOSAL INC. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (313) 6977830 PERMITTED 49350 NORTH SERVICE DRIVE CIFFICE MOST RCRA WASTES LANDFILL RESTRICTION BELLVILLE, MI 43111 (313) 3260200 EPA-ID# MID049090633 NO LIQUIDS - ETC. FINISHING EQUIPMENT, INC.. CONTACTS: WIN SABAT1<A * RCRA STAP 3/COM9IEwrS 4 3640 KEMNNEBEC DRIVE (612) 4521 E60 PART B UNDER REVIEW CUSTOMERS ONLY SOLVENT RECYCLING — ST. PAU)L MN 55122 ( ) ETfl--Its# MN0006449474 PRIMARILY MET: AND TRICHLCR GOPHER SMI LTTNG COMPANY CONTACTS: JOHN TAPER 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 _ (612) 45543:310 PART B WELL BE CALLED IN 3385 HIOHWAY 149 RECYCLE LEAD BATTERIES EAGAN, MN 55121 ( ) EPA-ID# MWD006142092 MC LESSON CHEMICAL CO. (MPLS) CONTACTS: REIN GILMORE t RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (612) 7892403 PERMITTED STCRAGETTRANSFEt• 111 22ND AVENUE N.E. CUSTOMERS ONLY MIGHT TAKE SOME OTHERS_ MINNf:APOLIS MN 55418 ( ) EPA-lO# MN1X 54497052 SOLVENT TYPE WASTE NATIONAL. ELECTRIC INC CONTACTS: JOHN HENSCHEL 4 RCRA STATUS/COM9€NTS 4 (612) 4693475 PERMIIftJ STORAGE/TRANSFER FOR PCB — 21400 HAMBURG AVE. BRIAN BROSNAN PCB ONLY ON THIS ID # ALSO A LAKEVILLE, MN 55044 (612) 4693475 EPA-ID# MND990791321 TRANSFER STATION FOR MANY WASTES NATIONAL ELECTRIC INC. CONTACTS: JOHN FENSCF(EL VICE PRES * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS t (6121 4693475 TRANSFER STATION ONLY AT THIS TIME 21400 Ii0E1kR3f, AVE. D4JCK MILLER MOST RCRA WASTES SPECIALIZES IN SMALL LAKEVILLE MN 55044 (612) 4693475 EPA-ID# MN0981190242 QUART. TRANSPORTER AND BROKER -- SOLV-OIL SERiVICE AND SUPPLY CO. CONTACTS: DAVID TC&LET:SON 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 6401 INDUSTRIAL DRIVE (6121 9378086 PERMITTED STORAGE/TRANSFER BOX 338 USED OIL AND NGNHAL. SOLVENTS HOPM(INS 044 55343 ( 1 EPA-ID# M94D000685941 FEEL BLENDING SERVICE WAKEN OIL CO. CCNT s TS: A.L. WARDEN t RCRA STATIE/CO!9ENTS t — (('12) 3741200 INTERIM S?AT+JS PART B DUE I?/Lid. 187 HUMBOLDT AVE. NO. OIL AND MIEERAL SPIRITS MINNEAPO IS MN 55405 ( ) EPA-IDO M9ND0(+6211693 PEEL BLENDING AND BURNED ON-SITE -- WW1 CHEMICAL CD. CONTACTS: R. W. PUTTNAM JR. 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (612) 6459225 PERMI11t) ST�RAGE/TRANSFER — 2130 KASOTA AVE. RUTH OCC9NIELL CUSTOMERS ONLY SOLVENT TYPE WASTE ST. PALL MN 55106 (612) 64592.24 EPA-ID# h!N0006213664 5 P C 9 INC. OF MISSrr.al- K.C. CONTACTS: 54EPEE MILLER 2t��: �..,,;:.: (6!E.) ♦7!(+E.F:4 * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS t �'AN�:;,:. _f il. T '�I%E )V4 PE;�_ ATED BY TOc,C:A M: :»;: PPCBW WASTE ONLY (8!?i 471'.,684 EFA-ID# MOD960.3Y)44 F`=$ fiic.Frit,.L SYSTEMS INC. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE ROUTE r316J 7325`� * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 r'E ! E+3X f jy ! REGULATED BY TOSCA KENC:SVfLLE M} 5406E ( ) PCB ONLY EPA-f111! Mr�D?:a096?943 RECLAMARE ENTERPRISES REC BOX 31044 CONTACTS: MERRILL NISSEN (816) 92!551! t RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS t 6402 STADIUM DR. NOT REGULATED Lam.RCRA - OPERATING KANSAS CITY MO 64129 ( UNDER M]. PERMIT #RR-009 ) EPA-I011 MC+D0006690 TIN AND LEAD BEARING WASTES ONLY S E D INC.- GFE'cNBCfj, N.C. CONTACTS: KEN F AN E? (919) 8541632 4 RCRA STATUS/CTiF91EMrTS 500 EAST RADAR RtMD REGULATED ENTER T&3CA tiREENS8�1Rt}, NC 27410 ( ) PCB WAS ONLY EPA-f D# NCD9906O0449 SEABOARD CHEMICAL CORP. CONTACTS: JAMES LEDERER (919) 8864604 t RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS t _ 5899 RfVERI�ALE DRIVE INTERIM STATUS PART B ` ' ST{WN NC 27257 ( ) SOLVENT RELATED WASTES Er'►1-'iD# NCD071574164 SAF_T HI N CQ F. CONTACTS: c PHONE iIflNE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS(701) 2379070 INTERIM STATUS PART B 1537 1/2 FIRST AVE. S. FARC#M BOB DAVIS (E`UIN IL.) ' ND 5B103 (312) 6978460 EPA-ID# ND0000716738 MC KESSON CHEMICAL CO. (OMAHA) CONTACTS: JOHN 3900 D STREET RALSTON * RCRA STAAIS/CfkRIS t(402) 7337007 ?? (#fAFiA HE ba!n7 ( ) EPA-ID# NED04O906729 C? CHEMICALS INC. CONTACTS: PHIL EDELSTEIN (201) E•:64 3O * RCM TATU SMMR(ENTS t ARBOR ST. INTERIM STATUS PART B UNDER REVIEW ,� DAVID BRICKLEY (CIRCUIT CHEM.) METAL RECOVERY MAINLY CI) AND NI SEWPNJ 07077 (612) 4792008 EPA--10# NJDO02E41950 O.M.I. INT./SW:EX PLATING SYSTEMS CONTACTS: ..EFFREY BIRCHMIER (201) 6675200 4 RCRA STATUS/C{311�YIg4 75 RIVER ROAD PREVIOUSLY EXEMPT FROM RCRA - STATUS NEjTIFY c 07110 ( ) CIiANGIN5 AT THIS TIME (7/66) SEE FILE EPA-ID$ NJD04465497E4 F007 TO F012 WASTES PASS RECOVERY SYSTE S, INC. CONTACTS: JOSEPH D'AMICO 1500 MAIN AVE)l� (201) 7724360 * RCRA ;rArrJ=iC g t IME RIM STATUS PART P CLIFTON, NJ 070!1 ACCEPTS ORM OF SOLDER SCRAP AND ( ) EPA-ID# NJD022095269 LEAD-BEARING SOLIDS — S & W WASTE, INC. • CONTACTS: ROBERT CHITREN (201) 3444004 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS INTERIM 105 JACOBU, AVE. c STATUS PART B M.rAPl4 Y JAY PERL.STEINUNDER REVIEWN E 07032 (201} 3444004 MOST RCRA WASTES CHEM. FIXATION ON- EPA-ID# N•_F09912911O5 SITE TRANSFER STATION FOUR OFFSITE S C A CAMICAL SERVICES- . "(E)(rY7K CONTACTS: MARK Mh}TYLESi.,F:I (201) 46591(X� * RCRA STATUS;/COMMENTS * 107 ALBERT AVE. INTERIM STATUS PART B UNDER REVIEW ?OAK WILLIAM GAMIN (RE6fOM REP.) EPA--III; N NJ 07145 WILL) 6418360 ACCEPTS MOST RCRA WASTES J0O09216790 MANY PERIODS OF TREATMENT/DISPOSAL 6 • J.S. ECOLOGY (NUCLEAR ENGINEERING) CONTACTS: „ET' LECOMP'TE + RCRA STi+1 5; C€N S 4 0.)i 626517 :NTEPIM _TA 1 , 4•LEP 4'4 1E4 P.O. BOX 57,k ..N ("A=LIN LANDFILL PELT-ii: :ON SEE FILE BEATTY, A 0y.X.3 (•3C,+3) 6265217 SPA-1£4 N:1133t)01.).:-'• BDT, INC. (BA 1EHY DISPOSAL TECHOLOGY) CONTACTS: NANCY BEEBE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * r (716) 7592866 PART B APPROVED 4255 RESEARCH PARKWAY ALAN WILDS METALS CORROSIVE REACTIVE CLARENCE, NY 14031 (716) 59 868 EPA-IDdi NYi000632372 MIS:. INORGANIC OTTER CECCIS INTERNATIONAL CONTACTS: CRAIG FROST + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (7161 2:322676 INTERIM STATUS PART B P.O. BOX 340-00 MOST RCRA WASTES LANDFILL AND OTHER NIAGARA FALLS NY 14304 ( 1 EPA-IB4 NYE090035241 ONSITE INCINERATDON/OPER OFFSITE FRONTIER CHEMICAL WASTE PNXESS, INC. CONTACTS: LINDDA CARR * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (7161 2852581 INTERIM STATE PART B SUBMiiitB 10/85 — 4626 ROYAL AVENUE NICHOLAS BALODIMAS (REGIONAL) MOST RCRA WASTES STATE INDICATES NIAGARA FALLS NY 14303 (312) 52O13993 EPA-!DR NYC+O438t57O3 PROBLEMS WITH THIS CO. SEE THE FILE SCA CHEMICAL WASTE SERVICES CONTACTS: SITE PHONE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS i (716) 7548231 INTERIM STATUS PART B UNDER REVIEW 1135 BALMER ROAD, BOX 200 JOHN KLPAR (REGION REP.) MOST RCRA WASTE LANDFILL AND OTTER MODEL CITY, NY 14107 4414) 2556655 EPA-ID% N-Yi049836679 ONSITE INCINERATION AND RECYCLE OFF „LCIEM-TRON, INC CONTACTS: SITE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + (216) 4415620 INTERIM STARS PART 5 — 7415 BES:SeeR ALE. SOLVENT OILS REACTIVE ORGANICS CLEVELAND OH 44127 ( 1 EPA-ID$ OHD930569438 THERMAL TRTMENT. AND OTTER ASHLAND CHEMICAL COMPANY CONTACTS: ARLENE HENDRICKSON * RCRA STATUS/CENTS * —OMM (614) 88933333 FERMi i iEil STORAGE/TRANSFER P.O. BOX 2219 FORREST COLSTON PRIMARILY 0/STONERS ONLY BUT MAY TAKE COLLMBUS OH 43216 (612) 4457214 EPA-ID* MNB0006867O9 OTHER SOLYENT/METAL/MISC./0OOI/D0O2 -- CECOS INTERNATIONAL (CECOS/CER CO.) CONTACTS: LINDA BARLOW + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (5131 7246114 INTERIM STATUS - PART B 1€)ER REVIEW 4879 SPRING GROVE AVE. RON KOEHLER MOST RCRA WASTES SEVERAL METHODS OF CINCINATI, OH 45232 (800} 5430274 EPA-ID* OHD0OO816629 TREAT/ENT/DISPOSAL ON- AND OFF-SITE CECOS INTERNATICNAL, INC. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE * RCRA STATUS/COI9ENTS * — (513) 7246114 INTERIM STATUS 50'72 ABER RD. SALES MANY RCRA WASTES LANDFILL ONSITE WILLIAMSBIRR OH 45176 (800) 5430274 EPA-IDR OHG087433744 RESTRICTIONS APPLY -- CHOT-ClIAR CONTACTS: TED VIROSVEF + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + (216} 4292401 INTERIM STATUS PART B 2900 BROADIOAY MANY RCRA WASTES TREATED ONSITE AND CLE4EEAMD OH 44115 (312) 6466202 EPA-I DI (ll£ 0)7 2 415 3 BROKERED OFFSITE ERIEWAY POLLUTION CONTROL, INC. CONTACTS: REND CAPPELLI * RCRA STATI}S/COf4(ENTS * (216) 4392955 INTERIM STATUS PART B 33 INDUSTRY DR. MOST RCRA WASTE CHEM. FIXATION BEDFORD OH 44146 ( ) EPA-IGR OHB055522429 RECYCLE AND OTHER ONSITE/OTHER OFFSITE FONDESSY ENTERPRISES, INC. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS 4 (419) 7261521 PART A INTERIM STATUS PART B SUBMITTED U76 OTTER CREEK ROAD MARK MEDIC)(/CLEAN NARDI LANDFILL RESTRICTIONS SOLIDS ONLY AND OREGJN, OH 43616 (312} 4596966 EPA-ID4 OI(0045243706 OTTER — 7 I ROSS INCINERATION SERVICE;, INC. CONTACTS: DENNIS P. RO + RCRA TAIlJSS/CO T; * 394 GILL-F. ROAD (2!6) 74'.217! INTERIM STATUS � � T.PEATpcNT BY INCINERATION .. ..64 ( ; EPA--Iii4 OLiOO4E4)5,65 M4(Y RCA WASTES - SOME RESTR1MCI;: SAFITr-KfEEN CORP. CONTACTS: INDUSTRIAL SOLVENTS DE PT. * R'FA STATUS/CO"NENTS * (312) 6978460 INTERIM STARE PART B 581 MILL1EN DRIVE BOB DAVIS SOLVENT RECYCLING !EPROM, F 4725 (312) 6978460 EPA-IE4k OHi►990.87364 _ SOLVENT RESOURCE RECOVERY CONTACTS: J)E HENEHAM + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + (513) 8596101 PERMITTED 5/18/84 P.O. BOX 453 JOHN KUPAR SOLVENT AND RELATED WASTE WEST CARROLLTON OH 45449 (414) 2556655 EPA--IDA OH0093945293 RECYCLE ON-SITE BURNED OFF-SITE HYDROCARBON RECYCIERS, INC. CONTACTS: SITE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (918) 4467434 INTERIM STATUS P.O. BOX 9557 EARL FINDER (IDEAL REP.) SOLVENT RELATED WASTES FOR RECYCLING TULSA OF; 74157 (612) 6330244 EPA-III# 0KM/00632737 USPCI OWNS THIS COMPANY US POLLUTION CONTROL, INC. CONTACTS: _01,4 HUGHES * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * 2000 CLASSEN CENTER (405) 5288371 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW #400 SOUTH EARL FINDER (LOCAL REP.) MOST RCRA WASTE LANDFILL AND SEVERAL C4(LAHOMA CITY OK 731E+6 (612) 633E+244 EPA-IL+# C1(DO65438 76 TREATMENT METHODS CAIGON CORPORATION- F'ITTSBURGH CONTACTS: XXXXX * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (412) 7779367 KNOWN 5750 GRAND AVE. NEVELLE ISLAND THIS IS A MOBILE TREATMENT SYSYTEM �- PITTSBURGH, PA 15225 ( ) EPA--fD# PAD000736942 CHEM-CLEAR CONTACTS: BETTY D(RKEE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (215) 4974676 INTERIM STATUS PART B DELAWARE 1r JEFFRIES AVE. MANY RCRA WASTES TREATMENT ON-SITE CHESTER PA 1902 (312) 6466202 EPA-ID# PADO00731026 AND TRANSFER STATION FOR OFF-SITE ENVTRITE CC'RP./LIQUICON CONTACTS: XXXX * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (717) 8461900 INTERIM STATUS 1600 PENNSYLVANIA ALE. METAL EOLNS. CORROSIVE REACTIVE — YORK, PA 17404 ( ) EPA-ID# PAD010154O45 OTHER LIQUIDS ONLY CP CHEMICALS, i C. CONTACTS: CIRCUIT CHEM/DAVID BRICKLEY + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (612) 4792008 INTERIM STATUS PART B METAL RECOVERY MAINLY CU AND NI SL9MR SC XXXXX (312) 6466202 EPA-lD# SCD070371885 _ GROCE LABS CONTACTS: BILL GROCE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS HIGHWAY 200 (903) 8771048 INTERIM STATUS - PART B ROBINSON ROAD AQUA-TECH, INC. MOST RCRA WASTE SEVERAL TREATMENT GREER SC 29651 (414) 2845746 EPA-ID# 5 D058754789 PROCESSES 6SX SERVICES CONTACTS: SITE * RCRA STATUS/coil EFTS * SUITE 128_ (803) 4525003 INTERIM STATUS PART B 100 EXECUTIVE CENTER DR. OFFICE MOST RCRA WASTE LANDFILL ON-SITE CCLUMBIA SC 292!O (803) 7982993 AID# SCDO70375985 N-50 CHEM. F?IRTICIN AND OTHER STAa.EI( Cam. CONTACTS: SITE FHOPE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (803) 3245310 INTERIM STATUS P.O. BOX 2664 CRS MOST RCRA WASTE STABILIZATION AND ROCK HILL SC 29731 ( ) EPA-IE41 SCD044442333 OTHER TREATMENT i 0 ,--, • - ' ., , AFETY +L- EEN CORP. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE RCRA STATUS/COMM€N7-, •-, (60c 3?-.Y..231 IS1LNIM STATUS ET S. -- -...- 7 S. wESTPORT AVE. BOB DAviS (ELGIN IL': SD 571,117 (?.12) .37: 46,... AMERICAN INDUSTRIAL WASTE CONTACTS: SITE PHONE * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * -- (615) 7979067 Teia REGULATES: INDU3TRIAL DRIVE ROB BURGEIS PCB ONLY WHITE BLUFF TN 37167 (501) 3756444 EPA7ID4 TND960729:05 __ GSX CHEMICAL SERV. (TRIANGLE RESCURCE) CONTACTS: DAN STUBBS * RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (800) 2511227 INTERIM STATUS - PART-9 UNDER REVIEW OLD GREENBRIER PIKE JAMEY .ONES MOST RCRA WASTE EEVERAL TREATMENT -- GREENBRIER, TN 37073 (502/ 4256817 EPA-ID4 ND()0645770 AND DISPOSAL METHODS ROLLINS ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES CONTACTS: SITE PHONE 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * __ (713) 4796001 INTERN STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW 2027 BATTLEGROCND RD., BOX 609 RICHARD TOBERMAN MOST RCRA WASTE LANDFILL AND DEER PARK, TX // ,36 (713) 4796001 EPA-ID4 TXD055141379 INCINERATOR ON-SITE __ U.S. POLLUTION CONTROL, INC. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE . r RCRA SIMS/COMMENTS + (801) 2662906 INTERIM STATUS - PART B UNDER REVIEW 5662 SOUTH 30G WEST EARL FINDER (REGION REP.) MOST RCRA WASTE SEVERAL TREATMENT MURRAY UT 64107 (612) 6230244 EFA-104 UTI'991301748 AND DISPOSAL METHODS 491_14-TECH, INC.- PORT WASHINGTON, WISC. CONTACTS: GREG WILLIAMS 4 RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * (414) 2845746 fi-NOT A TSI)*+ ACT AS 4 TRANSPORTER -- 140 SOUTH PARK STREET ROY SHARRER BROKER SERVICE/LAB CAPASILITIEE/OTHER PORT WASHINGTON WI 53704 - (612) 9224240 EPA-ID4 WID066888017- I.E. ARRANGE DISPOSAL SERVICES _,... AVOANIC IND. INC. (FORMERLY HYDRITE) CONTACTS: MICHAEL SEELICER + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS + (606) 2571414 INTERIM STATUS PART B 114 N MAIN JAMES GOMLEY SOLVENT WASTE ONLY COTTAGE GROVE WI 53527 (6061 2571414 EPA-ID4 WID000806624 RESTRICTS EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS — CONTROLLED WASTE (CHEM. WASTE MGMT) CONTACTS: DEAN THOMPSON * RCRA STAMS/COMNTS * WEST 124 NORTH (414) 2556655 INTERIM STATUS - PART 9 UNDER REVIEW __ 9451 BOUNDARY ROAD BILL CAMLIN STORAGE AND TRANSFER STATION ONLY MENOMONEE FALLS WI 53051 (312) 8418360 EPA-ID4 WID003967148 MILWAUKEE SOLVENTS AND CHEMICALS CONTACTS: TOM WINTERS + RCRA STATUS/COMMENTS * -- (414) 2523550 INTERIM STATUS PART B UNDER REVIEW 14765 WEST BOBOLINK AVE. AL HALE SOLVENT TYPE WASTES MENOMONEE F WI 53051 (612) 6363311 EPA-ID4 WID023350192 55 GALLON MINIMUM _- SAFETY-K1EEN CORP. CONTACTS: SITE PHONE r RCM STATUS/COMMENTS * (608) 7688676 INTERIM STATUS FART B 2091 1/2 WARD AVE. BOB DAVIS (ELGIN) -- LACROSSE, WI 54601 (312) 6978460 EPA-ID4 WID980896641 WASTE RESEARCH k RECLAMATION CO. CONTACTS: GENE JAMESON + RCRA STATUS/COKMNTS * -- ROUTE 7 (715) 6349624 INTERIM STATUS PART B UNDER REVIEW ROBERT COMSTOCK MOST RCRA WASTE RECYCLE ON-SITE OR EAU CLAIRE WI 54701 (612) 7399305 EPA-ID4 WID990629475 FOYER OFT-SITE -- 9 • ....., Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 29 — 47 Erhart: Yes. Because they came out and did that sight improvement right outside Chanhassen Hills and all of a sudden, they never had any — money for TH 101 and all of a sudden they do . Dacy: It' s the developers . Erhart: I don't know. Somehow he feels with some appropriate pressure right now that he can get some funds. — Siegel : We might as well try it. You've got to remember that TH 101 doesn't go through Chaska so it's a single community effort within this jurisdiction. Erhart: Anyway he's the Carver County Commissioner and if we could just get a resolution, let ' s do it . ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT - GENERAL DISCUSSION. — Conrad: Basically what staff would like on these items is our opinions and then some direction as to , do we proceed? How do we proceed from here? Why don't we take them one at a time. Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on the 150 foot lot depth requirement. — Emmings: I mentioned last time I thought that as the lot widths increase, and I thought maybe the sideyard setbacks ought to be increased or there ought to be some attempt to center that. I guess what I had in mind what someplace, if you've got a development in and if you've got 175 foot wide lots or 150 foot wide lots or something like that, somehow it seems that if there's a house built here and you've got an open lot for that house to come in and build within 10 — feet of that lot line and decides to leave the other side of his lot completely open doesn ' t seem fair to that neighbor . — Wildermuth: It depends on what he does with it though. If he builds a tennis court over there or something like that , swimming pool . Emmings: I guess what I'm thinking about is if I'm the neighbor that's living here, if we all have nice wide lots and he comes in and decides for whatever reason he wants his house as close to mine as he can get it, I'm not going to be very happy about that. I'm not going to happen — to look at that. Now the neighbor on the other side may be just as happy as can be but I'm not going to be too happy. It seems to me that maybe there ought to be some kind of a sliding scale so that if you're — making the lots wider to try and give it a kind of a look so the houses are a little further apart, why let this guy build all the way over next to the lot line within 10 feet of it so maybe if you have, I don' t know. Maybe if you have 100 foot lot, maybe you leave them at 10. If L you have 150, maybe you increase it to 15. Just a little bit more just 41-TrfettliaTIt Planning Commission Meeting _ Cctober 28 , 1987 - Page 30 17 to provide more of a buffer to the people who are already there. — Siegel : Do we have a lot width requirement? Dacy: Yes, it ' s 90 feet . Siegel : 90 feet so you ' re not suggesting that we change that? Dacy: No. Lot width is later on . Siegel : How does that affect the strange shaped lot where we grant a — variance because of the shape of the lot. We just created a 50 foot entryway to a 25 , 000 square foot lot . You know what I 'm talking about? Dacy: You mean a flag lot? Siegel : Where you just have enough room for a driveway to get into a lot. — Dacy: If it's going to be that large, I'm sure that the depth is going to be well in excess because the throat of that lot, the 50 foot strip is going to have to open out into a larger area for their flag portion if it's 25,000 square feet and that would certainly I would think would Ibe excess of 150 feet . Is that what you ' re asking? — Siegel: No, well I'm asking about it in the context of a subdivision. If it's obviously going to affect the two lots on either two sides of this entranceway and the configuration of those lots. In other words,we might have two 90 foot and a 40 foot entryway to a larger lot behind it. Obviously the lot depth would be measured from where? The roadway or the back of that lot back in the back corner? Dacy: The ordinance defines lot depth as the average distance between the front property line abutting the public right-of-way back to the rear property line. — Siegel : So his depth would be from the road then to the back of his lot? Dacy: Right. We're going to be talking about flag lots and the problems that they pose a little bit later . Headla : Steve's got a point there. I'll give you a first hand example of that. Here's my property and the neighbors property goes like this. They put up a barn, and we're talking just imaginery but this — thing is like 120 by 60 and we're 10 feet away from the line. If you look at the watershed coming off of there and the snow and my fence line is right on the line, it used to be the fence is down, it raises havoc with the trees. It just doesn't seem right that they should be i able to put a building like that. If they were within the laws, I think we should control something like that and when you mentioned a Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 31 — sliding scale, I think that ' s very appropriate. - Dacy: I hate to do this sometimes but when I worked in Florida we did have an ordinance provision for sideyard setbacks. If a lot width exceeded 100 feet then the side setback would be 10% of the lot width but at minimum you had to have 8 feet as a side setback. I think that gets at what you're trying to do however there are two cautionary points that I want to throw on that. One is from an enforcement standpoint. it poses problems because it was one of those details that got lost in the process in the number of building permits every month to be looking at 10% of the 110.9 feet is 10.1 so they've got to have 10 feet on either side of the lot. The second comment that I would — have is if you do have 110 or 120 foot wide lot, you would have a buildable area width of 100 feet and I'm sure there's going to be some isolated cases that some people are going to cramp all to one side. I think the norm is that people tend to center their homes on the lot. So there is a mechanism to do it. From a staff's standpoint we're kind of leary because of enforcement and monitoring aspect. That issue comes up on another item that we ' re discussing . Emmings: I guess my reaction is enforcement is a totally separate question. My notion is if that's what people will do anyway, then it will never be an issue and we don't have to worry about it but if it's there, then you protect. In that one case where the guy comes in and is going to be abusive, you've got a reason, something to point at to say no you can ' t do that . Conrad: I don't know what abuse is. I'm having a tough time with that. I really understand what you're saying but if we have a sideyard — setback of 10 feet and somebody meets that , we obviously feel that 10 feet is not an abuse of the neighbors property regardless of if the other side is 90 feet and this side is 10, it's still by ordinance we felt that it's good enough for everybody in the community. Somebody gets the advantage of having 90 feet of sideyard but still the ordinance has protected you by the 10 feet . — Headla: I think you're trying to measure something in strictly absolute terms without stepping back and looking at the overall picture. My situation there, they've got about 500 feet, they're - probably within 10 feet. Conrad: I would just hate to get into ratios and stuff like that. It seems real arbitrary. Emmings: You're saying arbitrary and you've got a 10 foot sideyard setback now and you tell me what great compelling logic that made that — anything but arbitrary. Conrad: Let's do a couple things. Let's sort of take a straw poll here in terms of should we have staff proceed in allowing the depth to change from our current ordinance? Yea or nay on that? Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 32 — C Erhart: We' re talking about 125 anyway? Emmings: To whatever they want as long as they meet 15,000 square feet. Dacy: No , we ' re saying a minimum of 125 feet. Erhart : I 'm in favor of that . — Emmings : Yes . Siegel : Yes . Conrad : Me too . Wildermuth: We felt at the time when this ordinance was put into place that there was a value to having a deep lot along with the minimum of 15,000 square foot lots. I don't think we've tested it — enough, given it a fair shot to change it now. Maybe 6 months from now or 4 or 5 subdivisions from now if it turns out to be an issue in every one, that the variances are coming at us from right and left on every one, then yes I think we better listen to what ' s going on . Headla: I'll go for 125 based on what Mark Koegler said last time. It certainly would make his planning a whole lot easier. Conrad: It looks like consensus is to go ahead and draft something and pass it by the City Council. Jim, my only thought is, I hear you and I — think that's valid yet on the other hand, when you think about a physical look of a neighborhood, when you pack the houses together and they' re only 20 feet apart, to me that looks crammed regardless of how _ deep the rearyard is so I think Council was talking about give people open space in their rearyards but I think there's also something to the appearance. I think the flexibility to allow developers to use the land a little bit easier. So, it's a yea on that one. In terms of the — scaled ratio, that seems real complicated to me but Tim , would you like to have staff work on some kind of a way to move that setback? Erhart : Nay. Emmings: Yea . Siegel : Yea . Wildermuth : I don ' t care. _ Headla : Yea . Conrad : And I'm a nay so we have two nays and three yeses and a I don't care so why don't you draft something that might seem easy to \ implement . Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 33 47 Fence Ordinance. - Olsen : Pretty much all we did was just to add into the fence section of the ordinance to say that the use of barbed wire fence is prohibited . Conrad : How do you feel about that Dave? Headla : Now that ' s any fence, barbwire that ' s in place now is okay? Olsen : Right it would probably be grandfathered in. — Erhart: We're talking about no barbwire in the residential areas? We're not talking about agricultural? We're not talking about fences used for horses in agricultural areas? Olsen : It ' s not in the agricultural . In the residential area . Headla: Where do you draw the line there? The people where we were — all classified agricultural tax wise but you've got us listed as residential . Olsen : You ' re zoned residential . Wildermuth: What about industrial where you've got a cyclone fence with a strand of barbwire? I think we should take a look at it . Olsen : It ' s not permitted right now anyway. — Wildermuth: I think we should take a look at it because we may get some kind of a business in town that has a very high security requirement and we ought to do something about it . Emmings: I didn't understand the language of the proposal because I understand what you're proposing. You say the use of barbed wire fences is prohibited in the residential districts for any use other — than agricultural purposes. What would it be permitted for? Olsen: It could be used for agricultural purposes in the agricultural district. Emmings : No , that ' s not what that says though . - Erhart: Yes, you need to go back and focus on that. It's really confusing . Headla : Steve, if I put cattle on my property, I interpret that as I can put up a barbwire fence. Emmings : Can you have cattle anyplace that ' s zoned residential . Planning Commission Meeting Jctober 28 , 1987 - Page 34 47 Headla : I 'm agricultural . — Erhart : No, it says residential . The language is confusing . Olsen: No you' re not agricultural . You ' re zoned residential . Headla : My tax says I 'm agriculture . Olsen : We want to make it clear that in the agricultural district, in the A-2 and unsewered areas where agriculture is a permitted use, there barbwire fences are permitted. In the single family districts where — it ' s not agricultural , it ' s not a permitted use. Emmings: Are you saying that barbwire fence will be prohibited in residential districts period? Then you need a period and you need to delete the rest of that sentence. Then it says it can be used in the agricultural area and I guess it already says it, barbwire fences are permitted in the agricultural district when used for agricultural purposes and I was just wondering if we ought to put in there or just put in, for active agricultural purposes or uses. The thought being that we would then have a way to go. I take it people don't like — barbwire and my thought was , if somebody wants to have, what do you use barbwire for? It's always for cattle and horses? Alright, so if they're going to have that use in the agricultural area, that's fine _ out let's make it almost like a conditional use in the sense that as long as you're using it for cattle fine but if you're going to quit using it for cattle, you ought to take that barbwire out of there. Are we that much opposed to barbwire that we'd like to do something like — that? I personally have no feelings about it one way or the other . Erhart: I agree with Dave. When you get into the residential area I'm opposed to it but there's an advantage in the rural area even if you have horses because for the money constraints you've got, you can provide a lot bigger area for your horses for a lot less money spent on _ a fence. There's a real advantage to it. I think I 'd be careful wording it so it doesn't get interpretted later that horses are not agricultural therefore it ' s not useable on horses . Siegel : Does this anticipated change affect any existing stables in the residential area? I can think of one. Those horse stables over there on CR 17. Right up by Shorewood . Conrad : Pat Jensen? Siegel : Pat Jensen Stables . — Conrad : She ' s gone. Moved out west . Siegel : They will be informed of the change or will they be grandfathered in if they are barbwire? Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 35 — Olsen : They would be grandfathered in . - Siegel: In a situation like that, would we inform them anyway just so they might do it out of their own goodwill? Olsen: What we' ll do is just send them a notice to all people with horses . Conrad : Jim, your concern? Wildermuth: What about a company coming into Chan Lakes Industrial Park. Let's say they process precious metals or something and they've — got to put up a cyclone fence stranded with barbwire on top of the fence. Are you going to tell them they can ' t do that? Olsen: It does specify what kind of fences can be used in the industrial park . Dacy: It's prohibited in residential and commercial and industrial — districts. The use of barbwire fence is prohibited in the commercial and industrial areas . Wildermuth: That's not what I would like to see. I would like to see e. it optional for your industrial area for example. You may want to put 3 minimum height . — Conrad : That would probably be a good way to do it . Olsen : We've got a maximum of 8 feet in the commercial. Anything over — that has to get a conditional use permit . Headla: If we left it as you suggested, no barbwire fencing, could a conditional use permit allow them to put barbwire at the 8 foot level? Olsen: Not with that language. You need to tell us what you want for commercial and industrial. They are allowed to go to 8 feet or — barbwire may be considered in commercial and industrial areas through a conditional use permit. Headla : Maybe that ' s a good way to do it . Wildermuth : I think that ' s good to do it as a conditional use permit . — Siegel: Have we addressed the fencing requirements i.n commercial and industrial districts within the context of the fence ordinance? — Dacy: Yes . ACCESSORY BUILDINGS . LJo Ann Olsen presented the staff report on Accessory Buildings. Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 36 Erhart: I like the concept and I think I was the one that started out with this thing. I think it's a good approach. I would just question the example where someone comes in wanting , he's in a residential area and owns a big lot and wants to build a four stall detached garage with — cedar shake roof and it's beautiful. He's going to spend $30,000.00 on this garage and I think we need to accomodate that guy. I'd like to see us raise the 850 to 1 , 400 but limit the height or whatever way you _ define the difference between a steel barn in a residential area and a beautiful detached garage. That ' s the only concern I have. Emmings: I don't know how you're going to do that because if you allow the size, I think what the person chooses to build it out of, you aren' t going to be able to regulate that. Erhart: Can't you make aesthetically similar to the main structure on the house? I should say architecturally similar to the primary structure. Emmings : I actually went through the same process. I thought a 3 car garage is very common today. I thought about building one and it's 22 by 36, which isn't far from the standard size, that's 792 square feet — so that fell within the 800 so I was kind of comfortable with the 800 myself but I agree with you, if somebody wanted it to be a four car garage and they were going to do a nice job, I really wouldn't have any _ Dbjections to that. I don't know how you can draw that line in language in there. If they can think of someway to do it, that would be fine. Erhart: I think any number, 800 or 1,400 is going to eliminate the problem we had with the 50 foot by 30 foot or how big was that barn? Headla : That was like 100 by 50 that he wanted to put in. That's the one you really want to stay low. The height is a clear way to eliminate that one . Erhart: Even 50 by 30, that's like a small Menard's steel shed. What' s that size? 50 by 30 so that' s 1, 500 square feet . Emmings : If we can get away with saying that it will be architecturally consistent with the principal use, that would be nice . Headla: You're talking about these low sheet metal buildings and low barns , they' re all portable. Erhart: I would think that 800 and 1,400, anywhere in that range would — serve to cover that 30% . Emmings: What kind of a height minimum would help to get rid of these metal barns? I Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 37 C Headla : What I was thinking , the only time people put up those buidings like that, they like to hide for dump trucks coming in, — construction trucks. Like on mine, I have a 12 foot opening and that's mandatory for good sized equipment but if you limit it to 20 feet , you ' re going to knock out the sheet metal buildings . Erhart: And yet you could still put a nice 3 car garage with a 20 feet ceiling I would think. - Headla : I look at the height of my house, it isn ' t that high. Siegel: How many square feet existed in that infamous St. Louis Park treehouse? Probably 800 to 900 square feet? Okay, we better consider some types of these kinds of things. You're talking about the barn type of house structure and you're talking about height and square footage here. Erhart : At 1,400 square feet? — Siegel : No, you're talking about you're trying to restrict that kind of structure in size in relationship to the rear lot. But the rear lot may not be dimensional a part of a person's plan for detached accessory structure. Erhart: I thought we were talking about limiting height to 20 feet period . Siegel : That means no building could be taller than 20 feet? I don't know if Igo along with that for every application in the world. I can — see your point and what you're trying to achieve but I can see some structures coming in here for permits, especially for the larger pieces of property. I 'm talking about a detached building on the lot . Erhart: In the first place the ordinance doesn't allow detached garages . — Dacy: No, it says if you have a certain style house you have to attach your garage but you can have detached garages. Erhart : I agree that we should allow detached garages . Siegel: We already have. There have been people in here asking for permits for detached garages . Dacy: Weren't you saying, we're talking specifically about the rearyard area and somebody is going to build a four car garage, it's - going to be detached, it's going to be fairly close from the side or the rear of the lot. Erhart: So we don't get into problems with horses, I think you should -t ake out the rearyard and just call it accessory buildings. Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 38 47 Dacy: I think the original intent of this was if somebody had the Sears buildings that it could be placed as near as 5 feet to the rear lot line but yet we wanted to put some type of area . Erhart: But then this guy with a 5 acre lot can walk in and put a barn in front of his house and say it's not in the rearyard. When you get a 5 acre lot, it ' s going to be difficult. Headla : Tim has a point . Dacy: That's why we're proposing a 800 square foot maximum. Like the — lot on Highway 7, you're saying it's 5 acres but there was single family lots in Shorewood and this area could be subdivided . Erhart: I 'm just saying , don ' t talk about rearyard at all . Headla: The Lawson property, which is the front yard and rear yard? You 've got double fronted lots . Olsen : The street frontage side of the lots are the frontyards. Headla : Well , he' s got two streets . r Conrad : Where did the 5 come from? 5 feet from any rear lot line? Olsen: That ' s in the ordinance right now. Conrad : That seems close to any lot line . — Wildermuth: It seems too close . Conrad : It does and I don ' t like that. Siegel: I don't see why you'd have a problem with that. Why do you _ think somebody is going to build their house facing their yard to the rear? Conrad : It ' s just 5 feet is this far . _ Siegel : Yes but the other guy has 5 feet so you 've got 10 feet. Conrad : The water from the eaves of this barn or roof will hit the neighbor ' s property. Dacy: It was consistent with what the older ordinance also. The only thing that was new in this was the 30% thing. Trying to establish a maximum area . Erhart: I think a lot of this accessory stuff, I think they're fairly common. Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 39 Conrad: Accessory structures are garages right so garages are covered? That's the typical accessory structure that we're talking about now. Is that right? Olsen : Yes and the tool shed . Conrad : So whatever, we have to make sure that whatever restrictions are not really restricting a garage. — Siegel : That also says that provided no detached accessory structure shall be placed nearer than 5 feet from any rear lot line. I've got one that's closer than that. It's my pump house for the swimming pool — and it doesn't affect my neighbor at all. And I'm sure there are a lot of people on smaller lots who are going to be faced with similar circumstances. If they put in any kind of detached accessory structure. It doesn't say a garage. I guess that's where I'm having problems with that because it says no detached accessory structure because it covers too many possibilities or all the possibilities . — Emmings: Permitted accessory uses in RSF, there's garage, storage building and there's a bunch of others. Also like a kennel. Those are the kinds of the things that are permitted . Conrad : I originally didn't like the 800 feet thinking that they're jarages but I guess I 'm comfortable with the 800 and I could be persuaded to go up from 800. I guess I'm not really concerned that it — fits the character. What I don't want to see is a humongous building out of context in the residential area and I think it sure seems like, whether it be 800 or 1,400, we'll probably rule that out so I don't — care which number we pick. Emmings : What would be the sideyard setback on the accessory building? 10 feet? Conrad : So , who would like to go along with a larger than 800? - Erhart: I would. Is there a typical dimensions for a 3 stall detached garage with a little workshop area at one end? Emmings: You've got 12 feet per stall, per car stall and then whatever you want for your shop. Erhart: How deep is it? Emmings : 20 is minimum and they are typically 22 or 24 . Erhart: That ' s 1, 056 feet. Conrad : What should we do? Should we round it off to 1 , 000? Should _ we go up to 1, 200? Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 40 17. Siegel : Why not leave it 30%? Conrad : Let ' s leave it at 1, 000. Emmings : Do people want that 30% referred to in there too? Conrad: I don't like the 30%. It's not meaningful to me at all and _ that was my biggest problem with this whole deal . The 30% does not mean anything to me. Emmings: Out of 15,000 square foot lot, say half of it was your — backyard , is that reasonable? Do you think it would be half of it? It certainly wouldn ' t be bigger than that. Erhart: So let's say you go down a lot, say you only have a quarter of a backyard , is that reasonable and that ' s 1, 125 square feet. Emmings: So we don ' t really need the 30%. Dacy: It ' s in there for smaller lots . Erhart : What are our smallest lots? Conrad : It ' s 13 , 500 . Dacy: There are some existing lots that are 8,000 or 9,000 square feet. Emmings : Maybe you ought to leave it in for a just in case . Siegel : Yes, I'm really worried with setting any size on it. I'd rather stick with a percentage. We've got too many different sizes of lots to try and yield the maximum or even the minimum. Erhart: But if you stick with this percentage and then some guy comes — over with 150 by 20 foot barn. Conrad : The straight percentage doesn ' t work for me. Olsen: I think the reason that we have that percentage is just for the benefit of small lots that don ' t have 1, 000 foot . Conrad: Okay, I buy that. Instead of the 800 we can put in the 1,000. We can leave the 30% in controlling . . . Olsen: Small lots . Conrad : Right and we'll up the 800 square feet to 1,000 and we'll change the 5 feet from any rear lot line. Obviously I have no support for by change to 5 feet . Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 41 C Emmings : Change it to 10. I think it should be 10. Why not? Conrad : I think it should be too. If the side is 10. Conrad : If the side is 10, why wouldn't the rear yard be 10? What do you want to do. 10 or 5? Emmings: 10. Siegel : 5. Conrad : I say 10. Siegel : I can envision a lot of situations in small lots where you're going to have problems with that kind of requirement. It's fine for those that have 15,000 square foot lots and larger but you down to those under that size and we're going to have a lot of people in here asking for variances on their rear lot line requirements for accessory buildings. Emmings: Especially where they're setting up these small metal sheds that you buy at the store. Siegel : Even a gazebo in a corner of a lot. They're going to have to Home in here because they can't put it 5 feet from the fence? Their own fence because you ' re going to make them put it 10 feet in? Headla: But why should you put it so close to the lot line? That's imposing on the neighbors . Siegel : A gazebo is imposing on their neighbors? You're actually 20 feet from them minimum. Emmings : Why? Siegel : Because there would be 10 feet on their side . Conrad: There's some validity in what Bob says in terms of those other little structures. Let's take another vote? 5 or 10? 5's win. TREATED WOOD. Olsen: Basically what I said is let's not do anything right now until we have all the information . Conrad : Does anyone want to do anything right now? Headla: Yes. I don't think we should allow treated wood in the ground unless they show us that it's not harmful. I can come up with something that can be very dangerous. I can stick it in the ground and �e have no way of controlling it . Planning Commission Meeting Cctober 28 , 1987 - Page 42 -' Conrad: How do they show, they can't show right? They can't show that it ' s not dangerous . Headla : I think it ' s up to them to show that it ' s not dangerous . — Olsen: I'm investigating having some tests done. They are sending me some addresses of labs who can do tests . Headla: Yes but I think the vendor or the manufacturer of that product should be doing the testing and pay for it. I don't think we should spend one penny verifying that. I think it's up to the manufacturer to — verify that it is not dangerous. Like this wood, why can't we bury that in the ground? That's prohibited. We have to haul it away. That ' s a situation I really get sqwimish . Wildermuth: Rather than take this issue on ourselves, I think we ought to be pressing for the EPA or some state agency to look into it . Olsen : They have looked at it and concluded that . . . Headla : Do they list it by product , the manufacturer? — Olsen : When we put a boardwalk in , we don' t see the type of wood that ' s being used . Headla: So somebody really can use just about any type of treated wood? Olsen: Right. It's all treated with three major chemicals that are used in the pressure treated woods and they have not found that they are harmful . Conrad : Are we talking about treated wood that is in the water? We' re not talking above ground , we' re talking about below ground? Headla: That was my main concern where people wanted to put in boardwalks over wetlands with treated wood in the water . Conrad: What is the alternative for treated wood? If we don't use treated wood in the wetland . . . Headla : Cedar poles , oak poles . They last what , 20 to 30 years . Olsen: Or metal . Conrad : Is that a hardship? Wildermuth : More expensive. f Conrad : What typically are we talking about? Are we talking about '� )oardwalks? That's what brought it on was boardwalks through wetlands. Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 43 - (7Wildermuth : Aren ' t we just spinning our wheels if P gwe . . . Conrad : We can ' t provide it ' s harmful . Wildermuth : We aren ' t going to be able to point to some State Statute . — Olsen: The EPA said they didn't specifically do, there are 1,000 different combinations . Wildermuth : At this point all we can conclude is there no issue here . Headla: I disagree. I think we should say no treated wood in water period. Are we going to get our backs against the wall by saying 5 or 10 feet clearance, no way. Siegel : How are you going to police that though? Headla : I guess the same way you would police the 5 foot. Siegel : No but how are going to police it as a community? They can go to Eden Prairie and buy their treated wood. You're talking about a bigger question than just what one municipality can do. I think it's fine if we alert the concern, if we have one, to the Environmental — Protection Agency and maybe it already has been or others should voice r 1 concern but why should Chanhassen not allow treated wood without the k-capabilities of enforcing it? Headla: I think you can enforce it. Just remember now we're only saying like putting treated wood posts in the wetlands. When somebody comes in to put a boardwalk over the wetlands , that's when we explain to them that they can use treated wood as the actual walkway and everything . You just can ' t put treated wood down into water . — Siegel : That ' s for new construction? Headla : Oh yes . That ' s all we could do . Conrad : At what point in time would we have control on knowing if it was treated wood or not? — Olsen : A lot of those docks we don ' t even know about . Conrad: When would we have an opportunity to tell anybody that we — don ' t allow treated wood in the water? Olsen: Like a wetland alteration permit . Conrad : Probably only in the wetland alteration permit process. We say you can't do it. You've got to have a dock or you have to have a boardwalk. —f Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 44 — (Siegel : Can we as a community dictate the materials used in such construction? Dacy: That was the issue that we were just discussing. If a national agency and the State has not found whether or not it is harmful , for us — to have a basic ordinance or legal justification being reasonable and so on, if that were challenged . Emmings: Meaning the health, safety and public welfare, does it if there ' s not any proven harm? Erhart: I think if some agency or some group came out, anybody, even — the University or a doctor came out and said treated wood is harmful in water then I think we'd have an excellent, good reason to make this ordinance. Whether or not we could enforce it. Just to make that — statement but the fact that no one , if we can ' t find some even semi - official agency to do that. Headla: What about that treated wood at a construction site? Why can't they? Why can't we bury that right at the construction site? Like right next to your house. Erhart: You ' re saying we can' t do that now? ( 'ieadla : Right . — Siegel : We can ' t? Emmings: Who says? I'm not arguing with you, I just wonder where does that come from? Headla: I knew you were going to ask me that too when I started. I'm — going to have to look into it more . Conrad: Here's what I'd like to do. Let's defer this issue Jo Ann at — least until Dave can find an agency or somebody saying it's negative or let's look at it in 6 months. In the interim , if we can in the wetland alteration permit process highly recommend that treated wood not be used in contact with water, let's highly recommend it. I don't know — how you get that word out but in your contact with them , I think that would be at least some temporary thing . Olsen: It's a hot issue right now and I think it is being investigated . AMATEUR RADIO TOWERS . Olsen: I'm essentially saying let's limit it to one radio tower per site. Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 45 - (Emmings : I agree. Conrad : I agree. Erhart : I agree. Headla: You can put many antennaes on one tower. I can put a whole bundle, I can put 20 to 30 square feet up on one tower and that's what that one fellow I think he was really angling to do that. I don't know the right wording but I think this really doesn't cut it. I think there's a good way, people can really be imposing on their neighbors if we word it this way. Olsen: I looked at your concerns. It's really difficult to put all your antennaes because they're so different and varying in sizes and sometimes you they are closed up and then they are extended when — they're used. That might be getting more into what the FCC is trying to prevent the cities from doing and allowing them to at least communicate. When you're limiting them to that one tower, it may be hard to come up with a maximum size but we can look into it. Headla: I really think that's the way to go. Like 12 feet maximum area . ( Conrad: It's just all relative though Dave. It's like is a telephone 1., pole uglier if it's got 3 wires on it versus 2? The pole is intrusive to begin with and that ' s like 90o of the impact and the wire . Headla : Some of those things get pretty obnoxious . - Conrad : I just don ' t know how in the heck you can regulate that . Headla : I don ' t either . Emmi.ngs : To me, isn' t is a separate thing maybe? One thing we ought to do is regulate the number of towers and then maybe we want to go a step beyond and regulate what's on it to the extent we're able to but we don't know how to do that so at least this is taking the first step in regulating the number of towers . - DEMOLITION DEBRIS DISPOSAL. Olsen : The next one was from City Council , they wanted to have some — control over demolition debris disposal. I pretty much took a lot of the data from the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency. Conrad: Yes, it sounded like it was exactly or the way I read it, so what have we done? Why do we need this? Olsen : They don ' t regulate those . Planning Commission Meeting October 28 , 1987 - Page 46 — (Conrad : Those are just recommendations? Olsen: No, those are conditions if it ' s 15 , 000 cubic yards of open . Conrad : And we ' ve adapted it to a smaller space. Any comments? — Emmings : Yes , the key is the permit obviously so you know what's going on where and you can regulate it . I think it looks fine. — ARCHITECTURAL EXTERIOR STANDARDS . Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on architectural exterior standards. Erhart: It sounds good. I think the thing we have to think about is I think people building industrial plants here are not willing to pay the same kind of price as they would in Eden Prairie. It's just a thought. — I think it's a lot easier for us to price ourselves out of industrial jobs. It's a lot easier for us to carried away with Eden Prairie because Eden Prairie has such high minimums. I'm in favor...that we don't find ourselves in the position where we're adversely affected. — I'm just saying I don't think we have quite the luxury of Eden Prairie to dictate some of these things . k- Conrad : I think it ' s okay. LOT WIDTH REQUIREMENTS ON CUL-DE-SACS AND FLAG LOTS . Barbara Dacy stated that she had a presentation that would easily take half and hour and asked that this item be tabled until the next — meeting . PLANNING COMMISSION GOALS FOR 1987 . Conrad: Point number one on the goals, increase communication between Planning Commission and public such as encouraging attendance by — reporters from local newspapers , regular articles. How are we doing that? That ' s the one I really wanted to focus on . Olsen : We really didn ' t start doing much on that until recently. Conrad: What other things will encourage reporters from the paper _ here? What ' s the strategy and I guess I haven ' t hit an objective? Olsen: I think we just wanted to let people know about what was happening before it gets to Council. When a subdivision was approved, — let it know that it is in the process . Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 23 — because it just plain wouldn't get used. I think that's a good alternative. Noziska: Have you run some projections on that little sketching that you've got there as far as what that means to Chanhassen in the way of taxes and etc .? Tom Hamilton: The building would generate about $6,000.00. Just the one building we're looking at right now. If you increase the uses and - I haven't had a chance to talk to the assessors to find out what kind of changes you would put on that property but it would increase the taxes. If I can get the information for you, I'll see if I can talk to the assessor . Noziska: All those sorts of things are important parts of consideration which obviously you have more knowledge of and — understanding . OPEN DISCUSSION: LOT WIDTH AND FLAG LOTS . Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on lot widths . — Conrad : What do you think? Keep it the same? Noziska: It doesn't seem like there's any consistent guidance out — there. It's whatever anybody or any particular community feels is right. Conrad: I guess I just get the feeling we're not gaining anything by changing the ordinance right now. Headla : To me we've had several situations where flag lots, it looks — liked it was very reasonable. I don't what else the developer could have done . Dacy: One example, or at least I felt that a flag lot was and a variance was deserved was on the Shadowmere subdivision at the end of that cul-de-sac. They had kind of a hammerhead shaped cul-de-sac and if they would have built the cul-de-sac and created the lot lines so you could get the 90 feet across , it would have meant a retaining wall of 22 feet in height and x amount of cutting and filling and so on but if they can achieve the same number of lots but do less damage to the — topography, and the topography I thought in that instance was the best reason to do that. Other examples, there was controversy in the Creek Run subdivision on Yosemite and then we talked a lot about this in the Centex and Curry Farms development. There are 2 or 3 flag lots along the steep slopes and cul-de-sacs also. The Commission felt that in the Creek Run example that it was pushing a line that he's trying to get an additional lot out of there. I think the Council went along with that —L too . Planning Commission Meeting Npvember 4 , 1987 - Page 24 — Siegel : Barb, wouldn't you find if you had a standard arc width that — you would avoid some of those kind of things just because of the cost of construction? They would have to be planned according to the topograhy of the land and meet the requirements and we wouldn't have to _ worry about variances for flag lots or that kind of thing. If you had an equal distance arc around a cul-de-sac and wanted to open up them to building odd shaped cul-de-sacs to take full advantage of every square foot of land . — Dacy: To me that's another way of enforcing it. You can establish a 40 to 45 foot length along the arc or the curve of the cul-de-sac. You would end up with a 80 foot lot width at the setback line. If you increase that, then your lot width gets bigger. To me that's just another way of saying you have to have 90 feet at the setback. Yes, establishing a distance along the curve of the arc also would eliminate the flag lot option because you're establishing a minimum width at the cul-de-sac and not saying, you could go down to 15 feet and go back out and at the building setback line I am at the 90 foot lot width. While — we ' re talking about flag lots , should I move onto that? Conrad: We should make a decision on this while we're talking about _ it. Is there any reason to change? Does anybody want to pursue that? Okay, we ' ll keep it . r Dacy: We're glad we talked about it because a couple developers come in and say this 90 foot thing at the building setback line is ridiculous. You folks are too restrictive but after we called around to other communities , we find that that ' s not the case. Barbara Dacy presented the staff report on flag lots . Emmings: Do you have a minimum width? Dacy: Technically right now we're just saying everything has to be 90 feet and you have to abut on the street. If you wanted to you could — put a sentence in the subdivision ordinance that said if a flag lot is to be created it shall have a minimum width of x feet but I don't know if you want to get that definitive at this point . Emmings: The only thing is if you're looking at it as preserving your space for future possible street. Is there anything in there about flag lots now, in the zoning ordinance? — Dacy: No and not in the subdivision ordinance . Emmings : The thing that comes to my mind , we can sure leave it the way it is and the other thing we might do is just address flag lots in the ordinance and say we don' t like them for these reasons but we recognize there are certain places where they might be appropriate as a variance f and list those things. I think those are real good points that you made there . Planning Commission Meeting November 4 , 1987 - Page 25 Noziska : So that wouldn ' t totally close the door but it would . . . Emmings: It would show that we're predisposed not to like them but there are certain cases where we will look at them because that will help us remember in the future too. And we want to say, when we do it , we will probably want to have a minimum width of , I don' t know. You may want to give an easement or something over more land to be sure there ' s enough space there to build a road in the future . Conrad: I like that. I'm comfortable with keeping it the way it is but putting in some rationale for any variance to the conditional use . Dacy: Okay, then we can bring that back . The Planning Commission reviewed the City Council meeting update . Tim Erhart arrived at the meeting . Erhart moved, Siegel seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and motion carried. The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 40 p.m. . fSubmitted by Barbara Dacy City Planner Prepared by Nann Opheim -4 CITY o f --�- CHAAEG CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Don Ashworth, City Manager DATE: December 7, 1987 SUBJ: Chanhassen Pioneer Cemetery, Update Report One of my responsibilities is to be confident that the reports prepared by or endorsed by myself are based upon well-founded principles and practices of local government policies/ administration. This is not one of those reports . It is accurate, but I do not like any of the alternatives . Approximately one month ago, the City Council approved the plat for Messrs. Hartung/Otto on Galpin Blvd. As part of giving approval, staff was instructed to work with the applicants in developing means by which an expansion to the Cemetery could occur within the City' s budget. All of the following issues have a common theme in that the applicants had established a rate of return on their investment and, if actions taken by the City in reducing lots/adding fees modified their overall financial posi- tion, they would expect to re-coop those through the sale of land to the City. The following alternatives were examples of this type of cost structuring, i .e: - Should the City wish to purchase the lot directly to the north of the Cemetery (Lot 1 ) , a cost structure of $46,000 had been set; or - Should the Council be able to provide a variance to the 2z acre standards for lots adjacent to the Cemetery which would still leave the applicants with the same number of lots, the cost structure would be $31, 000 ; or - Should the Council be able to provide both the lot area variances as well as a variance to the 150 ft. septic — system setback from a wetland area, the cost would be $16, 000 . Complications arising since approval include: 1 . The applicants had not anticipated the 3% engineering/ administrative fee enacted at the first of the year. Mayor and City Council December 7 , 1987 Page 2 They would endorse an "actual cost" fee. Hypothetically,if some form of agreement could not be reached, the approximate $6, 000 to $8, 000 fee would be added to the Cemetery costs ; — 2 . The soil borings at the northeast corner of the Cemetery has unveiled that the watertable is at 4 feet at that location. This is a low area and, hypothetically, does not represent the watertable for the vast majority of the Cemetery site. Fill or draintile may eliminate the problem. However, the answer to these questions will — require additional research/costs . Analysis of Issues 1 . Lot Area Variances for Lots 1-3: If this alternative is to be pursued, a formal variance process will be necessary. Before we process the variance application, discussion is needed as to the feasibility of this process. The City Council would be subjecting itself to future requests for less than 2# acres. The intent of the ordinance was to — insure that adequate distances existed between homes, septic systems, and wells , and that "open space" was provided through the plat. With these lots abutting the Cemetery, the overall intent of the ordinance would be met. However, the Council should anticipate that any developer having property abutting a natural ravine, lake, etc. , could make a similar case and ask for a variance. To protect the City against this type of request, I would suggest that if this alter- native is to be considered, that the record shows that the property owner was able to achieve full compliance with the — Subdivision Ordinance and that it was only through the City' s desire to control (use) a portion of the land that the variance is being considered. In essence, we would be saying that the property owner whose property ran to the center of — the ravine may be eligible for this type of exception if, following his demonstration that he can meet the full sub- division requirements, that the City would find a public pur- pose in taking ownership of the ravine/sideslope and thereby deserve similar treatment. 2 . Consideration of a Variance or Ordinance Modification Reducing the Setback for Septic Systems to Within 75 Feet of a Wetland: Outlot C will not accommodate a home and two septic system locations without requiring a variance to the — 150 ft. setback requirement from a wetland. Salient points regarding this issue include: - The developer has offered to move the wetland so as to comply with the ordinance. Costs increase dramatically and the City' s professional advisors (Machmeier/Rockwell) can- not support this alternative; and Mayor and City Council December 7 , 1987 Page 3 - The City Attorney would not recommend usage of a variance if approval is to be considered. As the City' s advisors are both recommending that a 75 ft. setback from the wetland may be possible if soil borings for the septic system are acceptable, a better alternative would be to amend the existing ordinance. This office would support this type of action, although I recognize that it was only recently that the ordinance was modified from 200 ft. to 150 ft. What was not considered at that time is the recognition that soils within 75 ft. of a poor or well-drained wetland will likely be suitable for a septic system and will not be harmful to the wetland. By contrast, the perc test for a site adjacent to a wetland having a high watertable/ standing water will typically fail the perc test. The important factor is the perc test itself. You would want some form of setback, but only the Council can answer the question as to whether that should remain at the 150 ft. distance or be reduced to 75 ft. Recommendation As noted at the beginning of this report, this office is distressed _ with all of the alternatives being presented. Without question, there has been a strong desire to see an expansion of the existing Pioneer Cemetery. However, each alternative has generated new problems . The developers have been patient and have a right to file their plat. The development contract has not been signed as such con- _ tains blanks for each of the sections still in question. In light of the fact that I cannot recommend any of the alternatives presented in this report, I would recommend that the City Council find that expansion of the Pioneer Cemetery is not feasible. As an alternative, I would recommend that staff be instructed to survey the unsewered area in an attempt to find a future cemetery location more closely paralleling the City' s budget, i .e. $2500 to $3500 per acre for 5 to 10 acres . CITYOF G CHANHASSEN \ , �'. 690 COULTER DRIVE • P,O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Don Ashworth, City Manager DATE: December 7 , 1987 SUBJ: Heritage Square, Consider Establishing Recognition Plaques The naming of Market Blvd. brought to light the fact that many of our residents would like to find a means by which one of their ancestors could be recognized by the City for the role that person has played in the City' s development. Various ideas have been bantered around as to how we might accomplish this goal. The recent attention to the movement of the old Village Hall may have an up side. Specifically, Mr. Lasher referred to the plaza area as "Heritage Square" . He went on to describe the courtyard area, and how the aritechtural lines established by the exposed aggregate panels/planters/benches would accentuate the heri- tage associated with the old Village Hall and St. Hubert' s Church. As construction of the planters and exposed aggregate squares will not occur until spring, the City does have time to explore means by which we could enhance the theme "Heritage Square" . In exploring this option with BRW, we found that a relatively easy construction technique exists through which plaques could be set into each of the exposed aggregate panels . Although this idea is not unique, I am unaware of any metropolitan community which has used this form of recognition as a part of a dedicated heritage area. Approximately two weeks ago, I asked Molly Miller to research this idea and to prepare a draft newspaper article/press release which may be used to entice citizens of our community to be a part of Heritage Square. The attached draft is just that - a draft . Hopefully this memorandum as well as the attached draft will stim- ulate ideas as to how we may address the issue of recognizing persons who have truly been a part of the heritage of our community. - , 1� 1 -a Chanhassen's Heritage Square In special recognition of the heritage of Chanhassen, the city is constructing Heritage Square, a historical park in the heart of down— town Chanhassen. The square will occupy the site of old St. Hubert 's Church and the recently relocated old City Hall--both of them historic buildings, having been present in Chanhassen since ieeaine—a•}t-owns ; "4 -leers—agm: Designed to be lavishly landscaped with trees, shrubs and flowers, the square will feature decorative sidewalks of exposed aggregate panels flanked by park benches. The sidewalk panels will be inlaid with plaques commemorating figures, places and events of _ historical merit in Chanhassen. Each plaque will be dedicated to a person or persons, past or present, who has played a prominent role in the heritage of Chanhassen, or to a place or event of historical significance. Plaques are to be commissioned by members of the public at a cost of $100 plus the expense of the panel in which they are to be inlaid. The City is inviting those who are interested in dedicating a plaque to send requests to City Hall by Construction on the historical park w_'_1--c&k nl e --r}„ r,i c ►r ��o wi ntPr and is expected to be completed in the spring of '88. If you would like to request a commemorative plaque in Heritage Square to honor a person, place or event significant in Chanhassen' s history, please fill out the following information and send it to the City of Chanhassen, 690 Coulter Drive, P.O. Box 147, Chanhassen, MN 55317. Name of person(s), place or event to be inscribed on plaque: Please describe briefly their historical merit in Chanhassen: Your Name Phone No. Address ftm L - imp- W. 78th STREET NOTES -' --- - - -�_Y..1-------- -1-- 1 \ I 1. All pie —— 1 \ . by r-a .t''' 1Iie ,c1Fr , �.4JI® �al 3. Con-'-3: aim e1 11.. , 1 r��=}��, to F n izeifi... 1 re")111114 1: LEN Ilirl i I n:um lig rpm A 1 isi 4.61, irp 1 0,, i 1 . """d I .„..11 g., II %kIR • j — 011 00.' '+jam _ `.,4T o/ ri'a'!►. 1 tl r 1 J$ .s --+ _Ili- /*Ora:0440a sc:Vr--1 7---i—T_ yip 40.410141... "ww1704111 ITN . 9..JH 1 ► I r/1; � 11-CS I IIII �, ;la; !��, Save Existing Hedge �' "' °i 1 ,,,A, ,.. \ 011,‘ 1 ‘,L i . \ 4 h? Icy plat VA!), , pi M nvow . a._ ,s!..\ ,, \to,, , ; )07 � MEM rfLLiP•irttL.& z-u \ lo.vo _ �_ , I1► .r arq a�.4 - 6-CE ,II IC • rt Till Kr ® • " � wr t lxv Ow. or 4 i.aw.&ft...a_as ?* l' d'i1 rS Plat' o • pry, Z ,. ;, .,, • GI Y. AM.Or.r11 NL. . . ...I I I • ! AL Awlt • Shoo S. L CC era.... I"r.i t 11•BT J r.r.lot• p G ..yt 7-CE I / r rut ,. I le l.t I - M Pr* c. - M F.tw..s Ir.1.t.n Ctrr., ! SI Sr..t...t. I r • I. , , . CITYOF // , CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM s/ . TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Todd Gerhardt, Administrative Assistant DATE: December 3 , 1987 SUBJECT: Update on Postal Zip Code District f2./7M. This memorandum is to update the City Council on the progress of expanding the City' s zip code district. Attached you will find a letter that was sent to Alan Rickter, Director of Field Operations for the metro area post offices . This letter invites — Mr . Rickter to a luncheon in Chanhassen to discuss the proposal of establishing one postal zip code district. Unfortunately, I have not been able to reach Mr . Rickter to confirm our meeting time. I expect to hear from him before Monday night' s City Council meeting and I will inform the Council of the date and time of the meeting on Monday night. Attached you will also find some recent newspaper articles that were published in the South Shore News, Carver County Herald, and the Chanhassen Villager. Staff has been working on setting up meetings with all of the homeowner associations in the Chaska and Excelsior postal districts. The reason for these meetings will be to discuss the proposal and answer any questions the residents may have regarding the proposed change. Alan Nelson, Chanhassen Postmaster, said he would attend these meetings to help answer some of the questions . I will be present Monday evening to answer any further questions the Council may have on this item. CITYOF CHANHASSEN - - G ��- - 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 - (612) 937-1900 November 30, 1987 - - Mr. Alan Rickter, Director Field Operations Room 420 , Main Post Office 100 South First Street Minneapolis , MN 55401 Dear Mr. Rickter: - The City of Chanhassen would like to invite you to a luncheon meeting during the week of December 7. At this time, I would like to discuss the opportunity of establish one postal zip code district in Chanhassen. - I have met with Tim O'Hara, Postmaster from Chaska and Alan - Nelson, Postmaster from Chanhassen about our proposal. Both par- ties have indicated a willingness to work together to accomplish the task. The City would also survey the entire population out- side the Chanhassen postal area, asking each of the citizens their reaction to a one district zip code. The City will incur all costs associated with this survey and assist each of the postal offices in any way possible during the process. Please contact Todd Gerhardt, Administrative Assistant for the City of Chanhassen at 937-1900 to confirm a convenient time to - meet. I will also be inviting the Postmasters from Chaska, Excelsior, and Chanhassen to attend this meeting. I am looking forward to our meeting. - Sincerely, 0"--1:-.16 - Thomas L. Hamilton — Mayor TLH:k ._ ,:.lips 5111iimli. I Y� .. ` 'Svenng Chaassei Chaskan s' `+uuis __ tip/— 11111 -.--? t ,w,..„--,,i.. 1 IPA% - 4). U ' •,,..- .... i) -. 41 eft:ION , 1 ,iti, •pAiD.L1. ....,,,,,, '. _ WEEKLY NEWS•Carver'C�oun j.t . `)a. -c:+, , , ; A 4 -, ,r 5 r Second Street *J.xceislot M1nnesow SS331-•��, Z - .;' -i" '; ,;''' :cr1 `: ' . ., Flit:-' •, "., i' . - -4 1-.:-. Vol. 4, No. 21 — December 3, 1987 - Chanhassen hopes— to c_ o mbine five zips into one A r- Z Yy // • �e.4, K ' tea, Ai., , E1t�1 • .1 of--. } �. _- dr- , 11- 4^ • v e t t � � '' r - -,-=t;. ,_Itt4: . ram. .....By Michael Krause 1 3. ,i ., - c _ • Chanhassen Postmaster Al Nelson 4. said his office gets at least 300 letters ' t � F " _ —every day that do not belong in his r ', ► . service area. Because the mail is ad- _ .y ' •• dressed to a Chanhassen street, it is • ,� ;•" sent through the Chanhassen Post Of- " � _ 'flee using zip code 55317. However, the City of Chanhassen V —aWA. .,-i _; V V r has five different zip codes with about —1,000 residences or one-third of the city '_ served by post offices in Excelsior, �" Chaska, Eden Prairie and Shakopee. Nelson said his office. originally "•. returned the incorrectly addressed ��""v - letters to the sender, hoping that 1 • -- • - ^V S would gradually result in the zip code V i 'j '- ,a, ��•... changes. But complaints from regular K- '—mailers prompted a change in policy ` �•-• At ` and the Chanhassen Post Office now ::IPI."\0°)c2I) attempts to forward all of that incor 7 rectly addressed maiLThat policy loses money for the Pos- tal Service, according to Nelson. In To Page 12 The shaded area Is the only part of Chanhassen served by the 55317 zip code. 12 SOUTH SHORE WEEKLY NEWS December3,1987 / , -Iilik ip Codes with 82 percent of those surveyed in ^L •m Front Cover r •w -.. . -._1985 responding in favor of the pro- pawl addition,postal staff have had a diffi- The Eden Prairie and Shakopee zip cult time keeping up with the many codes applyonlyto a very tiny part of NEWS and INFORMATION new streets and addressee in-Chan- - -are:- a hassen's other zi code areas as the the city. -However, 700 to 800 resi- 1. IeyAvdu.rr••I.r.eenri.y,,,„b,,�csr of r.-.•,. _u--� __.�.- R:.. 1,•--. P-- -t deuces in the Lake Mianewashta area, _ City experiences rapYd growlh. " currently served by the ExcelsiorPost_ a- • TENTATIVE AGENDA Items: To help alleviate some of these Office with zip code 55331, will be Chanhassen City Council a.Community center, Final Report Problems and also consolidate citizen tougher customers for city officials identity within Chanhassen, the City Monday:Dec 7,7:30 p.m. ,--and Recommendation from the Com- Council has initiated a plan to bring all City Administrative Assistant Todd• City Hail 690 Coulter Drive munity Center Task Force, city addresses under the 55317 zip Gerhardt said city officials plan to r Consent _- Agenda b,Trail Plan and Lake Ann Improve- code. meet with homeowners associations L a. Approval of Development Con- ments,Park and Recreation Commis- in areas served tract for Colony Point • t- sion- -- official officials plan to meet with anby other zip codes to b Approval of Plans and Sofficial from the Minneapolis Post explain the proposal before surveys pecifr C.Remodeling of Fire Station,Nick Office,which would make the decision are sent out -.I;> • ` s_cations,Lake Susan Hills West,Phase Ruehl,EOS Corporation L 8 Zoning Ordinance Amendment on a consolidated zip code,next week. Postmaster Nelson and city officials Approval of Easements for Lake Issues,Discussion: A survey of Chanhassen residents agree there would be a certain amount 9 Ann Interceptor. a Consideration of Creating a Rural with zip codes other than 55317 would of inconvenience during the transition 4 di.Accounts Payable dated Dec 7. `' Industrial District be conducted by the city in January. If to a single sip code for Chanhassen y e.Approval of Change in City Coun- b.Consider Miscellaneous Items for a eac majority of residents surveyed made to changes would have to be in each area favor Service the 55317 zipmade toe relatives ' tioan credit.ards,"In- q z ell Meeting Schedule, Establishment Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance. using np of One Meeting in December. Council Presentations code, the Postal Service would be .friends and relatives and others. "In- • ' likely to approve thg change for that Wally the switch would cause some �y L Preliminary Plat Approval,Hawks Administrative Presentations Hill,Mike Klingelhutz 9.a.Discuss Sign Ordinance Enforce- area in • • problems," said Nelson "but even- " The single zip code system in Chan g. Final Plat Approval, Riley Lake ment,City Planner. tually it would be much,much easier f i—E Meadows,Dick Vogel b. Planning Commission Interview hassen could be in effect as soon as -tor us and would provide better ser h. Approval of Specifications and Schedule,City Planner. March 1,1988 _-. .a.y:vice" Authorization to Advertise for Bids for c Postal Service Change Update, Residents in the Lake Riley area 5 elivlsoa-pledged to give one day Public Works Equipment Administrative Assistant lit to the southern portion of Chanhassen , very for trail forwarded during the I.City Council Minutes. Adjournment have already indicated a desire to be 'transition process and same day ser • Commission Minutes. AGENDA p of a 55317 Chanhassen zip code, •.vice for Social Security checks. u Visitor Presentations • " Chanhassen Planning Commissioni Council Procedures allow for the pre- Wednesday,Dec 9,7:30 p.m r sentation of items.If action is required City Hall,690 Coulter Drive _i S h o r e w o o d the item will be tabled to the next • Call to Order • — k regular agenda to allow for publication Commissioner Interviews ' ,, - and review of items prior to final con- Approval of Minutes IT i Shopping sideration. -�� . Open Discussion - z Public Hearings =aL,Discuss Comprehensive Plan Up- 2 Vacation Request to Vacate a Po• r~- .-date-Mark Kcegler. - - Center tion pf Ringo Drive, 770 Cree Drive, . .2 Zoning Ordinance Amendments-. Ilir Beth Schnabel - , Discussion • E, . Unfinished Bus Business NONE Adjournment ill ..rT- Cry- Rd. 41 and Hwv. 7 � in Shorewood 3' Zoning Ordinance Amendment • — Request to Allow Auto Service Cen- Victoria Lions Just W. of Excelsior on Hwy.7 tern as Permitted Uses in the BH,Busi- .pess highway and Business Services ;pancake breakfast ;' and to Allow Mini-Warehous -. ONTAINEBEEAU� MiAM�es as a Permitted Use in the IOP, The Victoria Lions Club will hold a Industrial Office Park District, Dorn Pancake and French Toast Break- — N Builders fast at Victoria Village Hall 7927 Rose - A L O N S SUNTANNING, 4.Review Herman Field Access Plan St, Victoria, on Sunday, Dec.6 from ` Mark Kcegler. 8:30 am to I p.m \ �MANICUR/NG and 5. Request to Improve the Outdoor A donation of S3.50 for adults and S1 J 474-8777 470-0469 Hockey Rinks and Warming House at for children is requested City Center Park Dave Hansen. The Lions Club is a community ser HAIR and NAIL DESIGN Panama Jack 6. Request to Reconsider Trail Ease- vice organization which supports FOR MEN& WOMEN Retail Center ment along the Rear Lots in T Bar K civic improvement projects in Victor- is It also participates in the char Estates,Karen Slather. — We've got an excellent 7.Consider Potential 1988Referendum itable causes of Lions International, torP especially service to the blind and selection of holiday C ',''. visuallyimpaired. �� Carver County Board p fabrics in stock! .- FromPagel ► —Stopin!TakeALook!— •- — the process Reuter used In evaluating In Downtown Excelsior r CONSIGNMENT AND NEW ITEMS potential sites. Earlier study of a site In Since 1963 vA L S FA B R I C S Children 6 Maternity.Tots to Teens. it- Waconla Twp. prompted local opposi- Hwy.7&Cty.Rd.41 474-3700 •InsrantPrinting tion and resulted in R euter dropping the 474-1770 site from consideration. •Commercial Printing "Reuter has been warmed from day •Werlving Stationery a , s� •O , *s k • r ...w- •• ^ one that we need an open process this •Photo Copies V1•��r..g.Y..m . tame saldBoardClairEar►Cnaa"Pm •Stars&Negatives Liquor Warehouse i•0 '••�•• oer not going to stand for what happened • 3,500 Movies last time' Shop Here and Save! we Rent Over 500 In other action at the Dec. I board 'i VCRs&Cameras Children', Nwya 7 6 41 Hwy.7&Vinshill • Beta&VHS meeting, commissioner approved an Shorewood- Shorewood. HOURS Movies expenditure of$1,700 to partially fund a I• ,.T►,�,•as'• ti 474- trip to Australia and New Zealand for 474-5811 •++ ••- ..� 474-8318 `• .s . w •11r " r 744, y, county extension agent Vern Orasko- ' • it•1 P t .n D fN01II Nfl CTR vich Oraskovieh sad his wire were • • � asked to nerve is rrsource persons on The Bank h =-= '1 the University of Minnesota Extension /41 w - :-z-� - r tour o<dairy operatlona He said the �.. � �. ._.:1.. tow cost of the trip will be about S8,000 1'`��11 r "j .:� :-°.;, n • �' with the University paying S3,500 and PRINTING COMPANY }e;�;..• :•-• the rest paid by the oraskovlch'a Eden Prairie Excelsior Shorewood - .,..J••,•, • Huy.5 a It Water Hip,brsys 7 • A :,-' `,,'_- X i f Cty.[ear - Samt au •;e.ti17' • /70 0 L • • - _ .. L .. Vol.1,Issue 8 :. Thursday,Dec.3,1987 P.O.Box 99,Chanhassen,MN 55317 :IIr' id- • i...*4.- The Chanhassen Y a •Pe f 1 . . 441,,,,,. . 42)11=1.1111111.1:-,A. L t,.• rt1 7 City: Varied Zi Codes. �{pose.ian identity prob.. li L _ ' BY Mary Mutes • To remedy the situation,the City aclals in Minneapolis seem willing ducting a survey of the 1,000 affected change.The early target date mew ; The Chanhassen city fathers s see it Council and administration are to consider it. 11. homes. Gephardt said the mean the new Zi Code and mailing as an identity problem: the coon mounting a drive to unite the city But Geving sees this as"a one- homeowners will receiveP e in effect by the 1 inanity is split into two school into one zip code with one post office. time chance to get one Zip Code on which they can indicatetheirm Lime peopl wouldtart moving into new nG . districts,a condition that is likely to the Chanhassen Post Office, and before we get too built up.If we lose preferences. The results of the homes completed in the spring.continue and it is also splintered they're being assisted in their efforts this time,the city will never,ever survey will be presented to Alan Geeing said the idea for the push F- L intono less than five postal tap by Chanhassen Postmaster Al have one Zip CodeNelson. ." Richter, the Postal Service's "was something that occurred to me Geving said city°Metals,along Director of Field ti� who Even though people actually live Council member Dale Geving, with Nelson, will meet with 12 will make thedetisiuP manyI new realized' esetreas ohm in c anhassen, they identify with who started the drive,feels there is a homeowners' associations in the Gering said he hoped the survey developments, and we would be their addresses-and or much uc in great who as chance off success effortaffected areas to answer questions could be done the end of starting them off on the wrong foot." r` almost a third of the city'sby and assure residents that there will December, but Gephardt said it Geeing then contacted Al Nelson, iT residences,that means Excelsior or then Council member Pat Swenson be no change in the level of mail would probably be completed in who was very supportive of the idea.Chaska. (A small number have failed.The postmasters in Chaska service. Eden Prairie and Shakopee mailing and Excelsior are not opposed to the Assistant Crt volume toGe prom is now seeking thinking hinki said lro was outhern addres .) move g said,atdy Manager T� toheipI's m promote the elan and hss only of southern postal of- Gephardt will be in charge of con- toh�t•r,.,harethesttrveyresults. Chanhassen,but Neisoo and postal / (-. thy officials and Nelson have officials encouragedhimto"go for it .. .d��-.-�;,,;.:..t. 3;..e_l.h '��, .�4 - _ ` • < • already and with Richter to present all." L i _ r. �� r t y the proposal.and they plan to meet Geving also met with thy F _ ....:,.,,,1_,"./ r _/` h 'r 41 ,1I,`,4-,,.- ',;: - with hum again,possibly as soon as Manager Don Ashworth,the mayor r ' "v! iJ i.'�' }'~. 1 I, gl„.1...•�', v' ^': nest officially informing Letters from e othe the r and other members who �; .-� ✓� 1.. !.•. #K:,. .�•"F1.F,j :.til of the enthusiastically backed the plan. r -_�" - poste proposed service Pity officials later met with Chaska Y f __ were to he sent out this week. Postmaster Tim O'Hara. who in- • ..�' t •••••••4;1 ' l�� , -i�•,:`I i f l f •dy el' __ Gering said he hoped to get a dinned he would not oppose the plan . -S E• __ _i r .'d..•1,•'� '`tnr ..s. decision from Richter close to the and would cooperate in expediting P L x) t f end of the year.with March 1 the /. n.r r E4 la e v:T � r�� `� �"' rT•.Y--�,- �.Y��.-, ..._ target date for the actual delivery ZIP COD page • • _ t-- s` � I, f �r l ( ,a� r, , Divisions �,,�� • j. i�l y� 1 , 7<` , = can mean •• , •.,,g.. - . -� -r , - i'4..• mail delay 6.- l•-•• • • • ./r.‘•1 �• 1.--_...i I ` ..._: _ - 1 -;t, ) . ' di •sis see Chanitaty maize _ -? . j•?E -.>- Code division as an identity r ' 4 � .'; �e� a I ! I problem,but Postmaster Al Nelson . • t - a, I �'l• r i -' • -a,Yliwa%.j Jam' _k it another way. as a mall.._ �.l d_ Alw.e6 .,..- larml' W J .• very problem-which will be "•-' '. — our a - `__'� Kbated during the Christrmes'- r . .`� .}s CNAt�fASSEN - (• { I i • air. - `__I mail lush period that has already a. "'s na �t. ..-t... - I it „', - - begun. , ,•c+ l s '` 1 l J The problem doubles at Christ- �._ I '-� - mastume,•Nelson said. New coo- l y,. I I.,n panics in town and large outside y i i _ tr -I i h i advertisers use the telephone book 'j Area served 1 ; :<. , ► ..,. to address their mailings-sos third ` , 1 ;,� of their mailings to Chanhassen may �.., i I '► • by Chanhassen I ,< . - �Andit dj�,imkmail, •..T '`4 h accordingto Nelson. Bank -? Post Office f s"•I'I 1 r statements,bills,checks,birthday • -f s`t l [ :` "r' cards. and of course, Christmas ,Trip . ? l •��•.- r. • �"' .cards rid their way into the green "o., .- - 1 . I _� {[toil bags reserved for mail that -9> - , —'� •• - 'most be tratffierred tof Excelsior o t.• — I • - I ."111111111141th. �,�e' .... __- Chaska.Even registered mail and _ I..: I i overnight delivery packages are • ✓r , I I-'� I i•di ected •nddelayed. s- • - " 1%7: � TechninBY. mot of the letterI . I :and packages should be returned to * s ... • i .the sender. But when postal eon- ..�;AI", sq�., _ •ployeea recognize old. established s _ --•- , ��"- r t ^r I I ' r r 'eddresxs• they simply send the DELIVERIES to page 3 Pe.tal employee soh*,oat sea pats maw dim:eves Express Melt caa be delayed. New Beginnings helps pregnant teens cope with changE -- By Natalie Schmid at the Amanda is a healthy teenager who Educators andhuman center. I the al girls are aught tophysicalc recognise and w servicestaeu talk heir thew y i should be enjoying k(eb offerimRa personnel from the two conauties • and their L She has just entered 10th grade and attended to get a better do of how �� )"'e S• • They ere also continuing informationven � has kola d friends to study a Jest la handle the situation when a / /ii • 4•a.. the physical and emotional hnkh d h!at oat wmh.But wtthim the space [.osier a pregnant. w �. �� �. • `.�— ..'.:,'�% their new babies. ... .aid he has a number of also scheduled to be at a four-team way to go in the true uays ur►t,►v .....> ,,...., ___- .led for the season. But meet in St. Cloud next week. Chaska opens its defense ofthe feels eh�ng a fo�ivathletes let s mr does not cooperate, Weather conditions in the St. Cloud • SWC. Since • the gymnastsis d cancelling the meet is area have been favorable for cross probably will not be,as ready for floor exercise,uneven parall er of picking up the country skiing,Halvorson said. It is ,:-competition as Young would bite 'bars,balance beam and vaulting .nce the Hawks are not likely the St.Cloud meet is where the them to be, he said his athletes ':'They` are:Y',#reshman''3enny >, conference, like the Chaska coach will probably get his probably will not be able to do aZaborsky, senior Kelley'Nagel ''> Vest or the Missota, first look at his team on skis. everything they ''might have `and 'senior Gina Denardo (a -- under different circumstances. - three-time all SWC performer).` ' . meet is not required. i Young will also need- • 1 �, ''"Right now, I don't know if �- • showing from Stephanie KIaseus, _ ,.:4;'",.; , We'll do everything (in the Michelle Grover, Lisa l?lench -' r . routines), simply for the safety and Katie Connell mental aspects 5 factor, Young said. `They have n '-':"?..*:-.7?--.....�, — S to get their routines polished-" „ '`', - i + , r. " -. +, i 5i .. n-.,E• .r"�- me concern I have," I'd like to have a bunch of . "We've got to get five greyhounds," he said. "I think that can play together and (team speed) might be one of o . ` Ai going on. ;y. weaknesses." /� ' O e guys out there as the While the Hawks, in Wel p From page 1• •e," he said. "But that estimation, do have the good te. ' •, • .scarily mean that's it." size every basketball coach wants, - —a vks open their season Welter is without the dominating, mail delivery if it were approved. out the same day, if possible. Mail f ffalo Dec. 3 on the road. tall center who operates best under (Excelsior Postmaster Harry will be automatically forwarded for .Velter is still looking for, the basket. Drahos did not attend the meeting.) '18 months if the change is approved, 's identity.Just what kind "We've always had a tendency to Geving said he does not expect 100 Nelson said. A substantial quantity -_ ,n Chaska fans look for- have good defensive teams," he percent support for the plan, but of mail is delayed now because it is ing when the Hawks play said. "Every team that has been would be happy with 70 to 80 percent. sent to home addresses rather than home game Dec. 11 good,plays good defense." People will not be happy about mailing addresses,he pointed out. lencoe? After all, Welter Welter will be counting on a having to change their addresses on Both Nelson and Geving said they _ ifths of his starting lineup wealth of experience in the seven credit cards, checks and magazine expect the most opposition to the last spring. His only seniors on his team. Besides subscriptions, he predicted. Social change near the northern boundary A starter,Brock Guettler,is Guettler, Welter will be looking for Security recipients, in particular, of the city, especially north of Lake commodity having been leadership from seniors Bill Spaeth, will probably be nervous about what Minnewashta, where residents are _x SWC last year. ,.. -{, Jamie Van Eyll, Tony Ind, Dan will happen to their checks, he closer to the Excelsior post office 3ut surely, Welter and his Affledt and Jeff Lenzen. - predicted. and can get there easily via High- e been formulating the "Their big concern will be'will the way 7. —. that question. l mail service be better,"' Geving Nelson suggested that if there is 'i said. Once the change is made and substantial opposition in that area, it? people change their addresses, he the Postal Service could exclude it ., predicted it will improve. from the Chanhassen service area, a During the changeover period, possibly using Highway 41 as a ; `� . Nelson said he would do everything boundary. If that should happen, — ai; ,-, u�,t; in his power to ensure that delay of - •Belson warned that-those residents .14.•#r►»-•-• '. + .4 .•-�::.,-^` • 1 mail is kept to one day. Nelson said would not be able to change their be more aggressive and : for the Skippers,she is expecting to he would send mail clerks to the minds later on—the Postal Service the range and abi • to finish in middle of the pack,similar other post offices to pick up mail for would be very unlikely to make a — I trap." to where the team ended up last Chanhassen, and make a special second change. ghat to expect from a rest season• effort to get Social Security checks Lake Blue Conference, _ )e is looking for Edina and ' Park to be the favorites.As The Mouse On 42nd Street_ REALTY WORLD Streeter Andrus g°� It was the holiday season, t. ��m OFFICES IN: ■■■� and all through the house, TIMI, Chaska Chanhassen Waconia Eden Prairie Si Not a creature was stirring . \\ R�LTER- 'WORLD. � But Mistletoe Mouse. 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I is impossible to remember all the t ti 1 ' •ir -i4...r--1 '...„.,'\--, • I -. - , . •I I-;.Mi - 1 1 1 5t..c..7:‘: -- :, , 1. , :..--,.a-,.i-., ..shilk. - ).()- , p ., . .._.,... --. iLlA 77,"''.1 i e w * , i.prAl`sii , A-.v --.... 1 14;:g.,nk• . 4\ - ...--r--4• .-- ‘.... : — . 4,..i..„-- ...,.. new street names and the city In li .'.1.:..* . ,5 r.-j..._ !••: '' . -.1 °'. 1 which they belong."And it's goingto 1.1u"( • ,V' 4.. ' cget worse and worse. We can't physically keep track of our streets and Chaska's." Nelson said. When 4 an unknown address is encountered ,that mail is returned to sender. t.. : "T) 1 . •• ...: . - --, 1 !...:, i -.,-, , ; ‘r, , _ , .,....,,,,. .„ , . i .p ! E. - . . . . ,.<_.‘,.. , ,, . . , . , . is r ss,. ..._ ,,-.,.- . • Aqf --- ... - 0..0i...1\i,...-.44•661,-,..?.... ..„.. 1.. , .1. • : •- 111. .s 41/4........,,, — , jj (WE WILL DESIGN A II 9'Artificia—E 1 , Then there is the issue of i ; -1 ""- ;•-•:,'z.-_ -..;_ -IP- ..4:- . , 1,-',,-.' ! . - -•,_1. ,• ._, •-?. • I telephone directory listings. This 1.• .-7.1 A eg ; .-.tr_7(' ,-,it '0 . ;-'?- 1 I year, according to Gerhardt, : , . ,-,;'', )--1.,;___-' ..i.v _ iii *GOOD TUN/DEC.if 'because of emergency telephone 911 needs Chanhassen residents with Excelsior postal addresses are listed .1. 7'. - ......__$.1 . , , . _„..] • . .. , ..... ., ,. . . • •. , .. i tr :t—..---' • IA. : — : Dec. 7-1.- 10% F 1 as residing in Chanhassen The .:.,,, —result is that their new mail is now I ' .‘1"' , :..' ...*.::- 4, rbeing addressed to Chanhassen r .....„ . . Ei i_._,.it' !irather than Excelsior. The change . i • 1 t 1:-....c .:\ 'i•-1 7 - .10) ild I 1 i adds to the quantity of mail needing . • ! I i ! , 1 t i t 1 4 ? .ili ' .i.s.:. I I I . - 4- I rerouting. . - 1. 1. 4-../. ' - .• i ''' IT. I l'i' _ = For the U.S. Postal Service. ac- , . .'4,-.. __.... 4 1 cording to Nelson, the issue is CITY OF —..- customer service and satisfaction" . . 1 ti MISS EZICSZ Mg C=MC ICY 1Cat ilat Cc I and because of that he received CHANHASSEN ..__ MASE 1.41.1 .. - encouragement when he passed the - suggestion of changing postal . •. '...ii •j 1'I: - 11 .i.--!--.f...'''Sti.:: --- ":1E-.:-.:!..'::-•:i--'......l• i - _ district boundaries up the line. 1-\ i• • - -..._ -- 1.""ii.. ...;-•!, . .,, .'. 1 • Any changes that are made in the i 1 Ill ; '.,,,_,-.;_.,_.4.,-;,----- __ , v•ild I 1 • 55317 zip code postal district will be Area served - , _ made on the basis of responses to the j... __., . , • survey.l'herefore,if the majority of I c41,1 7 I • . .._ ' t''.-7-;',.--7.;-f-77-''-C---.,,, -.4_:-- • •. ,the residents in one geographic area by Chanhassen _ Ar-- ,.;,,...... i ,. .. ,,,,,--Af. 'do not support a change in their 111 — :. i'N.41',... .: 4 4. , addresses,no change will be made. 5 City and postal officials expect a Post Office .v.k-.... 6 D.---,,,-.... ..F- 1,...--',...,,,-, ..-r-,-..,-,...- - .., ...... ,„.• ; positive response from southern - N-'..f.'•'( '.- • --"L .-..-- asisas I Chanhassen, but concede Lake .. f4innewashta residents may still ' - - - . -_7_-•---'„ .... 2-- -.- I • / --•.4,- .. 'i. A 1 , _ ....., ... ,ir.v.r.4 want to consider themselves as r-Excelsior residents for postal N....., -••,;;- '" — - , . :4. Lai --w-• ; purposes. i - - -'• , On one point both city officials and ;ii - • . _ the Chanhassen postmaster, Alan 0 - I''''' -' ._ ., .,-. 7— , • - , . Nelson.are very specific.According .. .,, .61_.. . __. .......17. ._ .. • ____:: . ,....,....... ....r.-4.:`..fiarLY&k:a.. - I' _ Issol --' ..:' ___ . . to Nelson,"This change will happen • --rt.. ... _.....,__- - -...2 . _ _ . ; only once. You can't expect a year ! -----r-' f ! ' HI ! If I • ........ . : down the road to change again, i• . I because it won't happen.There is a . lot of internal(postal service)work correspondents and mail would be About two-thirds of that number get nepin County boundary are I Give A ( and red tape in making the forwarded for a year following the their/nail through Excelsior.They by the 55443 zip of Eden Praine s-ervanedd i 410..• change...Please stress it will be one The changeover would be ac- changeover.Nelson indicated a year reside in the northwe rn ste part of Mini time only." en a. should be enough time in which to the city, Principally the Lake make the change, but should more Minnewashta area. Another 300-400 , complished from a resident's tune be needed an extension could household,south of Highway 5 have - • '-...• i g uet A 6 I . , standpoint in the same way that a be arranged. Chaska postal addresses.In addition I move and change of address are Currently an estimated 1,000 a handful along Flying Cloud Drive •04%'111.1•IPIt/• Give a I year's suE handled. Change of address post- households in the city have ad- are in the Shakopee zone, while a 0 cards woul, d be used to inforrn dresses ober than chanhasses. few others along the eastern Hen-._ OUR BAGS w Carver County : c ti give you a FREE C CAN a p• Teens from page 1 '''' HANDLEIT! 1 wasn't.But I was...I figured it was the baby," Kam said, motion A letter was also written by the • my first time,no way.But I realize evident in her voice."I didn't try to teen that will be given to her 300 Hallmark handle bags are ii Well also incluch a now that was stupid." 1 Telling her parents was difficult, claonlkfuAs-sehihereV.?,ut of it.I didn't want to isaliamgpething AshlevaLwillnevcr______Ash_igA•aid her deeisiiiti when he is old enough to understand what It all means, along with hatilaranbacd_th.tazazd •,- •• terrific ways to deliver Me goods!Many sizes and styles. announcing your sT ii , - L.ILLZ4,•107 1L lJ vYcil viic cvc 8 d weer. 1J1U5 1UU1 11UU1'S U11 - Saturdays. Those hours,combined with its downtown Chaska _, location, make it a convenient stop for people purchasing ? , motor vehicle tabs orsports licenses.— The current services should, however, be just the begin- `,+, ping. Once the center is operating smoothly it should take on � j:; driver's license renewals, passports, and perhaps more. It also has been suggested by some city officials that the (•y% - Minnesota drivers examination bureau might be able to share offices with the registration center. It is an option that ,A, , ;: should be explored. .- i <. The License Center has the advantage of being open `".'f. f =M>_ generally accepted retail hours, which is certainly helpful to . ''• employed people. It is also located near other retail goods ,,- - — and services. 7-t The motor vehicle registration tabs and sports licenses provide an important service to the residents of Chaska and its western environs. Residents of Chanhassen can now £S • Z choose between using a center in Excelsior or one in Chaska. R.7.3.r-�S C ri YX If driver's license renewals and passport applications are 1;.: ,. ,.xr `=``'' • ' , added to the services,however,residents of Chanhassen and other communities, as well as Chaska, could benefit y� S- ktE noticeably. The convenient hours of the License Center would Neighbors worried a b o u t make those tasks easier for everyone. — f LEB To the Editor: _.,1t, chasing is sw 1 We are very much concerned running throu about the article in your paper of runs into tht Nov. 18 in regard to the proposed Chaska? Whe / O n e z i p code needed composting plant on the Olson this water to€ property. and into the ri Reuter representatives claim What is to Off and on for years, Chanhassen has talked about con- there should be no water run-off level on our — solidating all or most of its community under a single postal from this plan.Where is the water to water is purr; address — Chanhassen, MN 55317. Now, the community it gallons of water each day?0 a tohing goes dry pacyer making another effort to do so; and if the residents support that concerns us is why didn't What about th — the idea,there is a good chance the city could come under one Reuter propose to purchase the wells from the zip code. The hitch, however, is that such a change will need entire 136 acres of this property water? I wor citizen support. instead of only 100 acres?Could it be water,will yot It would be easy for those affected citizens to say "no"and that the 36 acres they aren't per- - avoid sending all those change of address postcards.It would be easy to say "no" and continue telling oneself you reside in Food shelf thanks Boy S another community because the mail contains that post office in its address. Yet, making the change is very im- To the Editor: portant for Chanhassen and, ultimately, for everyone The Chaska Boy Scouts recentl S y was evident in On the first receiving mail within the city. conducted a door-to-door food drive canvassed tht Placing all of Chanhassen under one postal zone, enhances campaign for the local Food Shelf flyers and gr the community's sense of identity and that affects eve Program. An all out effort was put house. The st forth by these young people, which went back to ' citizen; because identity is an element in development _ i decisions made by industries and residential developers. I r,, — Every resident,through the property taxation process, has a ;.:. I Sfaleihe success of the community: • C�+: ::..l: i.iii,,,.f Non-a t h I e t i c activities e n� Recently,the quantity of mail that needs to be redirected to — neighboring Chaska or Excelsior has been growing. As To the Editor: precedent over Chanhassen continues to grow, so will the problem of I agree with the article appearing that communit misdirected mail and the inconveniences that will be caused decision the Heraldtocancel that responds to the come fromo anyt to the Friday night comes to anyt for would-be recipients of that mail. performance of "45 Minutes from tivitles. — There are good and sound reasons for all of Chanhassen to Broadway" and moving it to a This was ex come under the umbrella of a single postal district. We hope Sunday matinee. It was an ab- ticipated in bo the citizens will agree. solutely appalling decision. There theater event LEB just were no excuses to do it.But the Chaska High I. real issue here is not moving the that the adm performances, it was the reasons community ha and who it effects.It is obvious from pening the part Letu s listen first the decision that sports take theater, but'a . , - By now, we have all heard that Minnesota North Stars' Who will_protect us from onward Dino Cicarelli was formallycharged with indecent —1-.-s:��� ........-.-..__ _:�,.. ....��. g ,To the Editor:.� .�:t��3y-...�.. :'�.<Y Sore awry. Thy •'n�r.: -4 7 One zip code needed - Off and on for years, Chanhassen has talked about con- solidating all or most of its community under a single postal address — Chanhassen, MN 55317. Now, the community it making another effort to do so; and if the residents support the idea,there is a good chance the city could come under one zip code. The hitch, however, is that such a change will need citizen support. It would be easy for those affected citizens to say "no"and _ avoid sending all those change of address postcards. It would be easy to say "no"and continue telling oneself you reside in another community because the mail contains that post office in its address. Yet, making the change is very im- portant for Chanhassen and, ultimately, for everyone receiving mail within the city. Placing all of Chanhassen under one postal zone, enhances _ the community's sense of identity and that affects every citizen; because identity is an element in development decisions made by industries and residential developers. Every resident, through the property taxation process, has a stake in the success of the community. Recently,the quantity of mail that needs to be redirected to neighboring Chaska or Excelsior has been growing. As Chanhassen continues to grow, so will the problem of misdirected mail and the inconveniences that will be caused for would-be recipients of that mail. There are good and sound reasons for all of Chanhassen to come under the umbrella of a single postal district. We hope the citizens will agree. LEB C CHANHASSEN COMMUNITY IDENTIFICATION PROJECT 55317 There are currently 5 postal zip codes in the City of Chanhassen. There are about 1,000 residences in the city with either a Chaska or Excelsior zip code. This represents nearly one-third of our population. We have always had a difficult time with community identification because of the fragmentation in our city caused by two school districts and the five different city zip codes. Even though the people actually live in the City of Chanhassen, they associate themselves with their mailing addresses and their city zip code. This project is an attempt to eliminate all zip codes in Chanhassen except 55317. It is a dream that we have had for over 20 years. In 1985, Councilwoman Pat Swenson completed a mail survey in the Lake Riley and south Chanhassen area. (This area is serviced by the Chaska Post Office and homeowners have a Chaska address) . Approximately 82% of the homeowners indicated they would prefer to have a Chanhassen zip code and mailing address. We have met with the postmasters from Chanhassen and Chaska and they have indicated a willingness to work with us to accomplish the mail consolidation and to assure homeowners that their mail will be delivered just as timely as before. There should be no change in the level of mail service. In fact, once the entire city is being serviced by a single post office, (the Chanhassen Post Office) , the service should be better. Our City Council is completely behind this project and will be enthusiastically involved in making it a success. We intend to move ahead swiftly to organize committees and to contact homeowners as soon as possible. We are looking for some volunteers to help in the project. Our objective is to distribute as much information on this project as we can through the newspapers, personal contacts, homeowner's association meetings, a community survey and a meeting with the Regional Postal Supervisor for final approval at the end of December. We realize that there will be a certain amount of inconvenience in changing addresses for subscriptions, checks, credit cards, etc. , but it is a one-time change and overall it will be in the best interest of the community. We would like to start using the new Chanhassen zip code 55317 throughout the city effective March 1, 1988. DALE GEVING Councilman City of Chanhassen 11/25/87 ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION I Public Safety Statistics dated October . Memo from Southwest Suburban Corridor Advisory Committee. Memo from Barbara Dacy dated November 30 , 1987 . Memo from Barbara Dacy dated December 2 , 1987 . Memo from Dick Feerick dated November 25 , 1987 . -- Letter from Jim Chaffee dated November 16 , 1987 . Memo from Scott Harr dated November 30 , 1987 . Housing and Redevelopment Authority Accounts Payable. Letter from William and Helen Loebl dated November 16 , 1987 . Letter from Gary Ehret, BRW, dated November 30 , 1987 . Article from Minnesota Cities Magazine. Letter from Henry Sosin dated November 11 , 1987 . DNR - Minnesota Flash Flood Map - July 20-21, 1987 . Letter from Minnetonka Community Services dated November 17 , 1987 . Letters from Jay Johnson dated November 25 , 1987 . • Letter from Family of Christ Lutheran Church dated November 10 , 1987 . Letter from Minnesota Real Estate Journal dated November 18 , 1987 . Memo from Todd Hoffman dated November 10 , 1987 . I` Memo from Lori Sietsema dated November 13 , 1987 . Letter/Agreement from Cecilia Ray dated November 11 , 1987 . rMemo from Scott Harr dated November 13 , 1987 . Letter from Elliot Knetsch dated November 19 , 1987 . 4ILLetter from Roger Knutson dated November 20 , 1987 . Letter from Soo Line Railroad Company dated November 17 , 1987 . • , • C I TY of ii/ tx \ CHANHASSE r- 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Director DATE: December 3 , 1987 SUBJECT: Public Safety Statistics-October Building Division During the month of October the Building Department issued 25 single family permits, totaling $2 , 947 , 000 in valuation. The average valuation per single family home in October is $117 , 880 . 00 Additionally, one, two-family building permit was issued with a valuation of $165 , 000 . Building division permit revenue during the month of October totaled $34 , 117 . 00 bringing the total building permit revenue, including plan check fees , for the year to $262 , 581 . 00 . Single family permits issued for the year through October totaled 258 . Police Division During October the police division responded to 336 calls of ser- vice . The complaints received in this office during the month of October regarding Public Safety continue to be traffic related, especially in the area of children safety. Fire Department During October the Fire Department responded to 13 medical emergencies , 7 personal injury accidents, 2 alarms, and 11 miscellaneous types of fire calls . There were no structure fires during the month of October. SHERIFF"S DEPARTMENT MONTHLY AREA REPORT CITY OF CHANHASSEN - _ MONTH OF October , 19 87 Analysis of Police Enforcement - This Year Last Year This To This To _ Month Date Month Date 1. Traffic Violations 02 7 53/ )'3 / 2 - 4 g _ 2. Parking Violations /.S5 -V /-2-/ 1-3¢ 3. Animal Violations CRIMINAL OFFENSES - 1. Robbery / - i 2. Burglary ,-1& _,z:_ .j8 -' - 3. Burglar Alarm 4. Theft-Nisc. , Felony ,2/ / 7 ,)3 /9/ -i3 5. Auto Theft --,L. 9 - 3 - 6. Narcotic Drug Law /.2- - 9 7. Disorderly Conduct/ Dist. Peace 22- /- C /,-2. //5 i 8. Assault 9. Sex Crimes v * / 4 + q- - • 10. Vandalism 9 /09 dyr /-T -So PROBLEMS 1. Prowlers 3 2Z0 5 ze - e 2. Animals - / J./ /4/c/ 1-2t' - 3. Family Quarrel / -./f ,-Z 33 Y r i 4. Accident's P.D. /5 // �1.' /X.S-io 5. Accident's P. I . 5 ,3d 3 -, / - - -- 6. Accident's Other 5' - 9- 7. Medical Emergencies rtil /D /,P7i t,o 8. Open Door 3 -. 2 __ +-Co 9. False Alarms /D //7 /6 /a1.3 - (. 10. Fire & Arson /3 /D . 6 7 ri7 11. Motorist Assistance 7 _1 ,_ /e) 7 4;-R 12. Miscellaneous , Nuisance - Cal is 9y 9I // /,z,26, -�39 13. Misc. Traffic fly 332 -;i3 14. Other Information - Vacati on Checks j 76, 69 + 7 Hissing Person 5 39 7 3,5 + y. Abuse / '7 / 3 9 - 1 o - Forgery i,3Trespassing - --- - 1/ _ /5 - '4- -- --- Alcohol -- ------- - S - - - -- --- ----y lltegal -c-lurpin?;-----------.- / - +_ I - DwI - ----- -- --- - -__ - --- - -- + I b -- _ Homocideaticjnpt_. -- - --- -- - ----- Threats _ ___ 1 .i _ -I--S _ - FraixI-- -- ------- - __T -_L- _-' CC SO 149 .1 Chanhassen I▪ ►DN October 19 37 TIME CHART TIME NUMBER OF CALLS 12 :00 to 1:00 A.M. 4-#H-fitt - 1:00 to 2:00 A.M. _ffc-t- 2:00 to 3:00 A.M. - 11I 3:00 to 4:00 A.M. 1' - 4:00 to 5:00 A.M. I?J 3 5:00 to 6:00 A.M. ///f 4 — 6:00 to 7:00 A.M. ; , / 7:00 to 8:00 A.M. / 1 8:00 to 9:00 A.M. Jf' , /1 l g • 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. Tlll 10:00 to 11 :00 A.M. /Il — —� - 11:00 to 12:00 *I- fill 1 'f 12:00 to 1:00 P.M. /01 — 1:00 to 2:00 P.M. 1/tf t t� 2:00 to 3:00 P.M. /lir 1!/% 9 3:00 to 4:00 P.M. '7if 1 + t ittJ /6- 4:00 to 5:00 P.M. Ri ./,4L 5:00 to 6:00 P.M. ; r- .T ///t /// �3 — 6:00 to 7:00 P.M. t// 7 m-I °Z o 7:00 to 8:00 P.M. .18/- i, J I,I' l/I c,2.3 8:00 to 9:00.P:M. . - -f14 .2-7 9:00 to 10:00 P.M. Jilt I/`J ; - /! .22- 10:00 to 11 :00 P.M. 71 H r // f l hittit /// ag 11 :00 to 12:00 ffif Hi f // Motorist Assist..-/#-d- // o 1 L 336 Traffic /ftri,,, // • Parking - CCSO 150 . Chanhassen 10-2-87 10-6-87 10-9-87 10-13-87 _ 1013 1807 2252 1332 Great Plains Blvd. Santa Vera Dr. Chan Bus. lot Melody Hill Burglary Theft Assault Runaway 10-2-87 10-6-87 10-10-87 10-13-87 1204 1816 0928 2041 W. 78th Hesse Farm Rd. Frontier Trail Arboretum Blvd — Theft Theft Vandalism Runaway 10-3-87 10-7-87 10-10-87 10-13-87 1128 0200 0902 2219 _ Cheyenne Ave. W. 78th St. Chan Rd. Hwy. 101 Acc. P.D. Alarm-false Theft Acc. P.D. 10-4-87 10-7-87 10-10-87 10-14-87 1621 1245 1038 1257 5 Fi 101 Shore Dr. 101 f, 96th Hwy. 5 Theft Alarm-false Accident P. I. Acc. P.D. 10-4-87 10-7-87 10-10-87 10-14-87 2102 2222 2200 1658 Arboretum Blvd. Dartmouth Dr. Cty. 17 101 & 212 Runaway Alarm P.I. Accident Acc. P.D. 10-5-87 10-8-87 10-11-87 10-15-87 0023 0646 1644 0811 Iwy. 5 41 $ Ches Mar Lower Y 212 f, 169 Chan Open door P.D. Accident Acc. P.D. H & R P.D. 10-5-87 10-8-87 10-12-87 10-15-87 0459 0832 1756 0951 W. 79th Chan Hwy. 5 Hwy. 7 Lake Riley Blvd. Vandalism Alarm-false Acc. P.D. Theft 10-5-87 10-8-87 10-12-87 10-15-87 0650 2251 1919 1940 W. 79th Pioneer Trail Hwy. 5 (E.P.) Hwy. 169 f, 212 Theft P. I. Accident P.I. accident Acc. P.D. 10-5-87 10-9-87 10-12-87 10-15-87 1127 1111 1950 2210 _ Hwy. 5/W78th Hwy. 5 Hwy. S f 41 Chan Rd. P.D. accident Vandalism Theft Theft 10-5-87 10-9-87 10-12-87 10-16-87 1802 1305 2206 0826 W. 78th Hwy. 5 Arboretum Blvd. Washington Lane Alarm-false Acc. P.D. Theft Theft 10-6-87 10-9-87 10-13-87 10-16-87 1533 1946 0124 1010 Gray Fox Curve W. 79th W. 78th W. 78th St. Vandalism Theft Open door Assault Chanhassen • • 10-16-87 10-24-87 10-29-87 1838 1117 1829 Park Rd. 77th St. 212 & Seminary — Theft Vandalism Car/Deer Acc. 10-16-87 10-28-87 10-29-87 ▪ 1638 1203 1908 Lilac Ave. W. 78th W. 79th Burglary alarm Vandalism P.D. accident • 10-17-87 10-28-87 10-30-87 0851 1650 2210 Shasta Circle W. 78th Hwy. 169/212 — Theft Vandalism DWI 10-18-87 10-29-87 10-31-87 ▪ 0057 0151 0227 Cheyenne Ave. Melody Hill Rd. Hwy. 5 Vandalism Runaway Acc. Fatal ▪ 10-18-87 10-24-87 10-28-87 0118 1316 2230 Frontier Trail Elm Tree Ave. W. 78th Domestic Theft Open window 6-18-87 10-26-87 10-26,87 ' 0245 0808 2023 W. 78th W. Village.Hgts. W. 78th Theft Theft Alarm-false 10-20-87 10-27-87 10-29-87 0134 1406 0806 Arboretum Dr. Chan Bank W. 78th Runaway Theft Alarm-false 10-20-87 10-27-87 10-31-87 0801 1431 1825 • W. 78th Shore Dr. Peiper Ridge Lane Alarm-false Theft Alarm-false ▪ 10-20-87 10-24-87 10-20-87 1506 0033 2252 Audubon Rd. Hwy. 5 & 101 W. 78th Theft P.D. Acc. DWI 10-22-87 10-24-87 10-16-87 2231 0040 0003 • Pleasantview Way Hwy. 5 W. 78th Theft DWI DWI 10-24-87 10-25-87 _ 0950 1221 Forest Ridge Circle Hwy. 5 Vandalism P.D. Acc. • . DISTRIBUTION OF TRAFFIC, CRIMINAL AND PARKING FINES ' FOR THE MONTH OF Q -G•--- 198 7 Municipalities Vendor # Amount Included $ for Parking Carver City 156 6� C!' _.$ • Cfanh.:ssen City 151 _J 3(. `?5— ' $ /. 0 . CO Chaska . City 170 / ? 3,?. (-, _ $ /6o - O:) - — Cologne City 171 ,.0 _�►A $ �a -O6 Hamburg City 407 • i/c . eo . $ /O . ^O Norwood City 745 4 cj. 99. $ Victoria City 990 .<, j _^i, $ Waconia City 958 3 l6 ,;).g $ ,/el. OU — Watertown City 991 - lo.R .3 " $ /c • CGS Your.; America City 992 ` LI. // , 6 1 $ 41O - CO. — New Cern?.ny City 743 Mayer City 665 /4 .•L7 I $ - - c?oliywood _ -.•p. 404 $ Laketown Twp. 560 • a r ?:33 $ San Francisco Two. 986 ! $ ... Watertown Twp. 988 • $ Benton Twp. 56 $ Y Dah1L rf n Twp. 238 • $ Camden Twp. 150 ' - $ Hancock Twp. 392 $ Chaska- Twp. 154 $ Waconia Twp. . 987 $ • Young Air.erica Twp. 989 1 $ 1 — Totals L _TO 9‘5'. i I _ /Q., 1 rr: C a '' ,,, (..i. .".. (:(711,V,C-1 , .- //.Icxte A. V:1riLy11, -•, Court Mila .i tr for nnZ1111 IYYInMR sin_ nAn7... flQ . APPRtIVAI FXP?RFS A/A9 FORM C`404 U.S.DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE 1 s-s ae1 BUREAU or THE CENSUS Period In which permits Issued 1 1 OCTOBER 1987 (Please correct any errors in name and address including ZIP Cods) REPORT OF BUILDING OR , ZONING PERMITS ISSUED — AND LOCAL PUBLIC • • CONSTRUCTION 0468C0 27 8 51-2—- 019 1 0 26 4 9999 your BLDG OFFICIAL 1��� If Y gpermitsystemhaschanged, FOR CITY OF CHANHASSEN mark(X)appropriate box below and explain In comments. 690 COULTER DR CHANHASSEN - ❑Discontinued issuing permits R N 55317 0 Merged with another system . 0 Split into two or more systems 0 Annexed land areas PLEASE COMPLETE AND MAIL 1 - Had other changes -,'_ THIS FORM ON OR BEFORE f : , P If no permits were issued during Instructions are included.For this period,mark IX)in the box—i❑ THIS IS YOUR FILE COPY further assistance,call collect and return this form (301)763-7244. Section-IA:* NEW RESIDENTIAL PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLICLY OWNED HOUSEKEEPING Number of Item Valuation of Number of Valuation of BUILDINGS No. Buildings Housing construction Housing construction units Omit cents Buildings units Omit cents (al IbI • lc) id) (el III Ig) Single-family houses,detached �� p — Exclude mobile homes. 101 �/ ! P, E a Single-family houses,attached -Separated by ground to roof wall, -No units above or below,and -Separate heating systems and utility meters. (Count each unit as a separate buildingl 102 ' Two-family buildings 103 / r-; 14,5, O pQ • Three-and four-family buildings 104 Five-or-more family buildings 105 TOTAL—Sum of 101-105— - 109 MIER NEW RESIDENTIAL PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLICLY OWNED NONHOUSEKEEPING Item Number of Number of BUILDINGS No Valuation of Valuation of Buildin s Rooms construction construction g Omit cents Buildings Rooms• Omit cents (al lb) Icl Id) lei (fl (gl Hotels,motels,and tourist cabins (transient accommodations only) 213 Other nonhousekeeoing shelter 214 • Sectionlll+ NEW PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLICLY OWNED NONRESIDENTIAL Item Number Valuation of Number BUILDINGS No. Valuation of of construction of construction buildings Omit cents buildings Omit cents (al Ibl id Idl (el Amusement,social,and recreational 318 Churches end other religious 318 I — Industrial 320 _ Parking garages(buildings and open decked) 321 Service stations and repair garages 322 — Hospitals and institutional 323 — Offices,banks,and professional 324 Public works and utilities p{i//,40C.t.(ii: 325 07. I ii 0 0 tom} ' Schools and other educational 328 Stores and customer services 327 Other nonresidential buildings - 328 ' 4 I1 Do _______. Structures other than buildings f•'.rk r:31I, 329 / ..,1 pn"\ Section IV ADDITIONS, PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLICLY OWNED ALTERATIONS,AND Item Number Valuation of CONVERSIONS No. Number Valuation ruct of of construction of construction buildings Omit cents buildings Omit cents lal lb) lc) Idl lel Residential—Classify additions ofc 5 /5 3(/�O�/^ garages end carports in item 438. 434 . — Nonresidential and nonhousekee P m �✓ 9 - ;4'.ii-�437 a_ G/��Q . Additions of residentiel garages end carports (attached and detached) 438 .21 ooc PLEASE CONTINUE ON REVERSE SIDE ...► ii SectionV- DEMOLITIONS AND PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLICLY OWNED _ RAZING OF Item Number of Number of BUILDINGS No. Buildings Housing Buildings Housing units units (a) (b) (cl (d) Is) Single-family houses(attached and detached) 645 Two-family buildings 848 Three-and four-family buildings 647 Five-or-more family buildings 648 All other buildings and structures 649 Section VI INDIVIDUAL PERMITS AUTHORIZING CONSTRUCTION VALUED AT$600,000 OR MORE Please provide the following information for each permit authorizing construction valued at$500,000 or more entered in sections I through IV. Item Number of No. Owner- Valuation of from Description Name and address of ship construction S.C. owner or builder Mark(>0 Housing Bulldiaars I—IV one Omit cents units la) (b) (c) (dl 1a1 If) IQ) Kind of building ---0 Privets Site address ❑Public $ Kind of building ❑Private Site address --- 0 Public Kind of building ---- ------- OPrivate Site address ------- ❑Public $ Kind of building ❑Private Site address ❑Public $ Kind of building 0 Private Site address J ❑Public S Kind of building ❑Private Site address J 0 Public $ Kind of building ❑Private Site address J 0 Public Kind of building 0 Private Site address ❑Public S Kind of building 0 Private Site address 1 ❑Public $ Comments 1 J. Are you aware of any new parmlt-Issulnp Jurisdictions? ❑No ❑Yes—Please give additional information in comments. Neme of person to contact regarding this report Telephone Area code Number Extension1 Title rarer G-4o4 44461 CHANHASSEN PUBLIC SAFETY CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPART INSPECTIONS _hDNTH: FOOT- BACK- INSUL- FIRE- BASEMENT SEPTIC INGS FRAMING FILL ATION DRYWALL PLACE SLAB PT NIG SYSTEM MISC. FIN 4.10 . ,' 7 01 ill immimm,,,________________, N ; /3 3 / a �/ 3 7 a / , _ 6 3 g 3 3 _ . 7 7 / / , , 3 1 IIIIIIII 3a / 3 � 3 s 3 I /i 75TA1S 3 , / 7 .9' _ 3 .: _ - CHANHASSEN PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT INSPECTIONS INSUL- FIRE- BASE SEPTIC .y MONTH FOOTINGS FRAMING SACKFILL ATION DRYWALL PLACE SLAB PLBG HTG SYSTEM MISC. FINAL DcR7 73 1/ 7 9 // d- 75 /5- p _ 1 1 1.. Mm I ' TOTAL PERMIT REVENUE JAN FEB MARCH APR MAY JUNE JULY AUG SEPT OCT NOV DEC _ BUILDING _ /p ,SN PLAN CHECK - /2 mm PLUMBING -_ _ /‘ 3 3 HEATING TOTAL �- 'a.ao TO DATE #4,t4AA-v .114 `)/7/87 L: - PLANNING • TRANSPORTATION ���'• ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURE BENNETT. RINGROSE. WOLSFELD JARVIS. GARDNER INC • THRESHER SQUARE • ?00 THIRD SIHEET SOUTH • MINNEAPOLIS. MN 55415 • PHONE 612'370-0700 DATE: November 30, 1987 TO: Twin Cities News Media FROM: Southwest Suburban Corridor Advisory Committee, Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority SUBJECT: Press Release: Public Forum on Light Rail Transit Please publish/announce the attached Press Release. Further information is available from Susan Pomnrehn at BRW, Inc. , 370-0700. SE/jkf DEC 0 1 1987 CITY OF CHANHASSET JAVID J BENNETT DONALD W RINGROSE RICHARD P WOLSFELD PETER E JARVIS LAWRENCE J GARDNER THOMAS F CARROLL CRAIG A AMUNDSEN DONALD E HUNT MARK G SWENSON JOHN B MCNAMARA DONALD L CRAIG R!CHARD D PILGRIM DALE N BECKMANN DENNIS J SUTLIFF MINNEAPOLIS DENVER PHOENIX PRESS RELEASE PUBLIC FORUM ON LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT Monday, December 14, 1987 7:00 to 9:00 PM Eisenhower Community Center Library 1001 Highway 7, Hopkins The Southwest Suburban Corridor Advisory Committee to the Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority is sponsoring a general information meeting on the Committee' s work to date on potential light rail transit (LRT) service in the southwest area of Hennepin County. The Committee welcomes public input from residents of the communities in southwest Hennepin County. Members of the Southwest Suburban Committee, staff of the Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority, and consultants will be present to give an overview of light rail transit, present information and answer questions from the general public. Following public input received at the forum, the Committee will develop recom- mendations for LRT service within the southwest corridor. The Committee' s recommendations will then be forwarded to the Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority, as input for the Authority' s Comprehensive LRT System Plan currently being prepared. CITY of - � G CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager • FROM: Barbara Dacy, City Planned DATE: November 30 , 1987 SUBJ: Sign Ordinance Enforcement Given that downtown construction has concluded for this fall , please be advised that the Planning Department will be working closely with Scott Harr to enforce sign regulations . The City permitted downtown businesses to establish directional signs while detours were in place. Now that the detours have been removed, staff will be surveying not only the downtown area but the entire city as well . Illegal signs have been observed along TH 5 , County Road 17 and within the business park. C ITY OF G CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P,O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Barbara Dacy, City Planner �� , DATE: December 2 , 1987 SUBJ: Planning Commissioner Interviews The Planning Commission will be interviewing thirteen candidates for the three vacancies on Wednesday, December 9 , 1987, beginning at 7 : 30 p.m. Because of the large number of applications, the City Council is encouraged to attend. The City Council will consider the Planning Commission appoint- "- ments at the January 11, 1988 , meeting. All applications will be sent to you by separate mailing. -s (7-6 (? r 7 ) ;.-1 viLeJ -;-z- -(A^ae GkoLi s ��/ � � �7 c4/a/k.t,t November 25. 1987 To: ---SW Corridor Transportation '!''`."—""" From: Dick Feerick Subject: Coalition Meeting: Upcoming Legislative Session HWY 5 Phase 4 Acceleration Plans Date: Wednesday. December 9. 1987 - 7:30 P.M. Location: MTS Systems Cafeteria (Take Highway to Mitchell Road. South 1/4 mile on Mitchell. turn left at MTS entrance sign]. Please note that the meeting date has been changed to December 9th. This will provide the opportunity for the steering committee to review financing alternatives for highway Funding and to discuss overall strategy. We have received an encouraging letter from the Governor acknowledging receipt of our T.H. 5/T.H. 212 Traffic and Safety Review report. Governor Perpich stated in his letter that transportation funding was going to be a key issue in the 1988 legislative session and encouraged our continued activities in support of highway Funding during the legislative session. • I have received an invitation to attend the Minnesota Northstar Workshop. 1987 sponsored each year by the Minnesota Department of Transportation. The workshop will be held December 1 and 2 and will focus on rural and urban highway and transit issues and funding requirements. it will be interesting to see how other organizations and representatives perceive the problems and potential solutions. There is a growing consensus that there will be highway funding legislation in 1988. We will be able to play an active role in the process and hopefully. significantly advance T.H. 5 Phase 4 design and construction. Thank You. /7)1 NOV 30i987 CITY OF CHANHASSEM +.r........ STATE OF MI\\'ESOTA y4 n!: Y' Om CG ci OF THE OVFRVOH — 4i � ST. PAUL 55155 RUDY PERPICH GO.FR%OR November 10, 1987 Mr. Richard M. Feerick, Chairman — Southwest Corridor Transportation Coalition 1107 Hazeltine Boulevard Suite 454 Chaska, Minnesota 55318 Dear Mr. Feerick: Thank you for a copy of the T.H. 5/T.H. 212 Traffic and Safety Review report transmitted with your letter of October 19, 1987. The trunk highway system in Minnesota is a very vital link in maintaining and improving the economic strength of Minnesota on a national basis. Numerous groups such as yours throughout the state have cure forward with this very important message, and that is why transportation furxiina is going to be a key issue in the 1988 legislative session. Legislative committees and commissions have been holding hearings on transportation funding throughout the state, and a vast range of ideas and proposals have come forth as a result. Discussions will continue between now and commencement of the 1988 session, and I would urge your coalition to continue the transportation funding involvement during the legislative session. Your coalition's efforts are very important to Minnesota's future growth and economic well being with the assurance of transportation funding stbility. Thank you again for your strong interest in transportation facility 1nprovements. Sincerely, • s• •H G. PERP Gov- • r AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER Minnesota Good Roads FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEWS RELEASE CONTACT: Bob Johnson, (612) 379-7227 November 20, 1987 Minnesota must have action this session on highway funding! That message came across clear at a meeting in Bloomington this week at which members of a number of highway promotion and chamber groups outlined the needs for improvements in their area of the state. The meeting was called by Minnesota Good Roads to ask help in passing the organization' s legislative package during the 1988 session. More than a dozen groups attended the meeting, including chambers of com- merce and individual highway corridor organizations (see list page 2) . The Executive Director of Minnesota Good Roads, Bob Johnson, pointed out the necessity for a transfer of part of the Motor Vehicle Excise Tax from the general fund to the highway fund. Johnson indicated this is key to a highway funding package in the 1988 legislative session. Minnesota Good Roads is calling for a 20% MVET transfer in 1988, with a 10% transfer in subsequent years until the total amount is transferred, a 5c increase in the gas tax, repeal of the sales tax on items purchased — by the Minnesota Department of Transportation, a wheelage tax for metropolitan counties and a continuation of the bridge bonding program. Winston Borden, President of the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said his organization had held meetings in 43 Minnesota communities, and had learned sup- port for highway funding was "pretty clear". Borden said residents of those areas understand "economic development in their towns is tied to their transportation system." Johnson urged all the groups to solicit resolutions from their organizations supporting the legislative package, and to "buttonhole lawmakers" and convince them of the need for highway funding. Further, he urged the formation of a coalition of the groups to meet that goal . The groups are scheduled to meet again in early January. - more - MGOOD 3409 UNIVERSITY AVENUE. S.E. RO ADS MINNE.9POLIS 55414 Cc facrt CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 November 16 , 1987 • Third Grade Class — Chanhassen Elementary School I( /l 1/ 2-7 7600 Laredo Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Third Grade Students : I have recently been provided with copies of letters that some of you worte to the editor of our new paper in town, the Chanhassen Villager. The problems that a few of you seemed concerned with centered around safety issues. That is also what I am concerned with because I am the Public Safety Director for the City of Chanhassen. I am responsible for the overall safety of the public through the resources of my office which include police, fire, code enforcement, and building inspections . To Christine Mai : To my knowledge, we have no gangsters in Chanhassen. The railroad employs police officers and detec- - tives who patrol the tracks and trains . These men keep the hoboes and gangsters away from the railroad tracks . There are; however, many people who walk the railroad tracks to get from place to place. These are not gangsters or crooks, but good people who like to walk. The people who steal from the cars are thieves and crooks who probably drive in cars to commit their crimes . We need trains, Christine, to move people and materials around the country. Someday you may have a chance to ride on a trail and experience the good feeling that a train ride can give you. To Eric Weidner, Amy Bruner, Amanda Lukas , and Lucas Rockwood: Your concerns about sidewalks are well founded and certainly involves public safety. The City of Chanhassen is developing an extensive trail system that will provide safe and easy access on foot to most areas of Chanhassen. We will try to have the Sheriff ' s deputies provide more visible traffic patrol to provide — pedestrians with safe streets to walk on. Pedestrians and motorists can share the residential streets if each act in a safe and prudent manner . To All Students : Sometimes people drive in a crazy manner and don ' t consider the safety of pedestrians . We will try to enforce Third Graders November 16 , 1987 Page 2 the traffic laws, but it is sometimes hard to do when you don 't have many police officers. Therefore, you, the students, and all people who walk on streets or try to cross busy streets, must be very careful and watch for drivers not driving safely. Take the extra time needed to cross a busy street safely and don' t take chances . Don ' t assume that a driver can see you and always obey the law. Cross busy streets at intersections and always look both ways . Ride your bikes with the traffic, on the side of the road, and obey all traffic signs. If walking on the street at night, wear reflective clothing and carry a flashlight. Have a light on your bicycle and wear reflective clothing. Always use common sense when judging your safety needs and please call Scott Harr, our Code Enforcement Officer, or myself if you have any questions . Sincerely, im Chaffee Public Safety Director JC:k C I TY F ' � /7iI1 Q CHANHASSEN , 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 TO: RON JULKOWSKI, Building Official FROM: SCOTT HARR DATE: Nov. 30, 1987 Ron, I would like to take this opportunity to commend you on the work that you are doing as the Chanhassen Building Official . Having had the opportunity to work with you in the office as well as joining you on inspections in the field, I remain impressed with the quality of your work. Your breadth of knowledge is obvious. On the other hand, when you do not know the answer to a question, you research it rather than to guess. You are also willing to assist homeowners, contractors, and workers in arriving at workable alternatives to problems, rather than to just tell them that they "can't do it that way." I particularly appreciate the way that you deal with the variety of people that you come into contact with in the course of your duties. The obvious rapport that you have established with city workers ; contractors; builders; other govern- mental inspectors; etc. ; must be one of your most effective tools by which you get your work accomplished. In addition, your attitude certainly conveys the positive message that Chanhassen wishes to give to people. Keep up the good work! SINCERELY; i -- SCOTT HARR ` cc: Don Ashworth, City Manager Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Director , ) • 6i 1 " - - - 4 • O '.) -1 1 -1 - 4 •l • • ` I i • • I • i I I i I I j I 1 I ` I 1 i 1 1 I , j • I I • • ' • I ! 1 i i i . j I ! i I i I I • I I I i I j i W y I ! o I 0 Z 1 I. I I 1 a I .I Z-I a 1 { i ! I W N W, W I i i I IO F .a 1--1 I i i I • • I.�; I IA, 'a E.I Ila ;4— ,..1 10 > r la H a i W I - j I 1 a i w I ( I I 1 • i I I 1 1 • F. a I I I I 1 Z ; 1 I — a• a F,1 z I I i hij a 2 ' i i F 0 En a Z . UI E. • i 1-; k Z 0 I W I i i 0 Z i .W.7 I 1 • ! i Z r W - to 1 N to ; W U I 1 ZZ ' > x I U 6 V .7 . 1 • t I i 1 I I i E. N co I I I 1 , N !A T I P 0 ! N 1 x j 1 z I ,•, i co to O. O •— I C,1 I ' i i an i I S W Os O' ! N 1 I Z = N N i N i I I Q U O 0 . 0 U 1 I I I ; 1 . I I 1 1 i I e . i:. e`'; .-; -l-. .# •_ �_ . : ry1"....:.. n-,•. , ". .lnl^. ^'1J- . .2 " - '^_ •HEIR11111 ae. iz v_7 tomi- . William F. & Helen L. Loebl 7197 Frontier Trail Chanhassen, MN 55317 November 16, 1987 Mr. Gary Warren, City Engineer CITY OF CNANNM:.I City of Chanhassen [EMMET 690 Coulter Drive :P� �J �f Chanhassen, MN 55317 l'I0V 16 1987 Subject: Shadowmere Development Dear Gary, ENGINEERING Dtri)T. This letter is to advise you that on November 16, 1987, ue wrote to Mr. Jim Fenning, President, Hilloway Corporation, the developer and Mr. Frank Jedlicki, President, F.F. Jedlicki Inc. , the general contractor as per the enclosed copies. As you know, Mrs. Loebl has brought the problem of the house vibration and shaking when the heavy equipment is being used, to your attention on 3 or 4 occasions. Truly, Gary, we are greatly concerned about the possibility of serious damage to our house, as the vibration and shaking is becoming stronger. Please look into this matter before we encounter serious problems and advise us no later than November 19, 1987 what action you are taking to safeguard our interest. May we suggest that you include copies of all this correspondence in the Council Administrative Package. Thank you. Sincerely yours Ct7.-7,7--Zirrt — William F. Loebl Encl. 2 Helen. L. Loebl William F. & Helen L. Loebl 7197 Frontier Trail Chanhassen, MN 55317 November 16, 1987 Mr. Jim Fenning, President Hilloway Corporation 2440 Byrnes Road Minnetonka, MN 55343 Subject: Shadowmere Development, Chanhassen, MN Dear Mr. Fenning, This letter will confirm our conversation of November 12, 1987 at the subject development site, at approximately 4.15 P.M. during which I informed you that the heavy equipment being used behind us is causing our whole house to vibrate and shake. The dishes in the cupboards and the windows rattle loudly also. Our house has been in perfect condition - nofoundation cracks, no cracks in walls, ceilings, etc. We are concerned that the vibrations and shaking caused by the use of the heavy equipment will damage our house. Please cease the use of the present equipment immediately which is causing the vibrations in our house and adopt an alternate method of completing your work which will not vibrate and shake our house. If any defects show up in the future, we shall hold you fully liable for any and all damages and repairs. We will keep a close watch on the condition of the house and advise you if any damage develops. Very truly yours William F. oebl " Helen L. Loebl Certified Mail, Return Receipt requested William F. & Helen L. Loebl 7197 Frontier Trail Chanhassen, MN 55317 November 16, 1987 Mr. Frank Jedlicki, President F.F. Jedlicki Inc. 14203 West 62nd Street Eden Prairie, MN 55344 Subject: Shadowmere Development, Chanhassen, MN Dear Mr. Jedlicki, This letter is to advise you of my discussion on November 12, 1987 with Mr. Jim Fenning, President, Hilloway Corporation, the developer of the subject property. Your heavy equipment being used in the Shadowmere Development behind our property is causing our whole house to vibrate and shake. I have spoken to two different operators of the machinery on two separate occasions regarding this matter. Our house has been in perfect condition - no foundation cracks, no cracks in walls, ceilings, etc. We are concerned that the vibrations and shaking caused by the heavy equipment will damage our house. - Please cease the use of the present equipment immediate11 which is causing the vibrations in our house and adopt an alternate method of completing your work which will not vibrate and shake our house. If any defects show up in the future, we shall hold you fully liable for any and all damages and repairs. We will keep a close watch on the condition of the house and advise you if any damage develops. Very truly yours om=710%4 William F. Loebl Helen L. Loebl Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested HRA- {)a.ah-i- <z/J PLANNING ' TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURE BENNETT. RINGROSE. WOLSFELD. JARVIS. GARDNER. INC • THRESHER SQUARE • 700 THIRD STREET SOUTH • MINNEAPOUS MN 55415 • PHONE 612.370-0700 Note: I asked Gary to prepare this response given questions raised by various citizens regarding "curb cuts/no parking" in the downtown area. November 30, 1987 Most comments were regarding no parking in front of the Pony Express/Pauly's. Gary's response is correct, but I should re-emphasize that the Pauly/Pony decision was required by MnDOT. Although City of Chanhassen the average motorist could move to the left 690 Coulter Drive after moving north on new iTH101 and then turning Chanhassen, MN 55317 Past, MnDOT standards dollow for this abrupt of movement (northbound TH 101 traffic is merging Attn: Mr. Don Ashworth into eastbound West 78th Street traffic in this City Manager area) . We are attempting to get MnDOT to allow RE: Downtown Redevelopment parking on the street east of Great Plains Blvd. Project C.P. 86-11 DNA Dear Mr. Ashworth: 12-1-87 The downtown project has come a long way since the initial ground breaking in August. Shafer Contracting has installed over 6,000 feet of storm sewer, 3,000 feet of sanitary sewer, 3,000 feet of watermain, 30,000 ton of aggregate base, and 7,500 ton of bituminous. This work was done while coordinating NSP electric, Minnegasco, Northwestern Bell telephone, and Cable TV. Access to businesses, while sometimes very difficult, was maintained throughout the construction period. New sewer and water services have been installed to most, if not all , of the downtown businesses. Approximately 1.5 million dollars worth of construction has been completed in less than four months. As you are aware, the "fruits of labor" are now quite evident. A drive through the downtown area now reveals to the traveler the "future look" of downtown Chanhassen. It is at this time in the project that most of the major design changes are now readily apparent. It has come to our attention that questions have arisen regarding the roadway design. Of particular concern are the driving lane widths, the number of driving lanes, the number and location of curb cuts, and no parking zones. Allow me to briefly review with you the reasons behind the roadway design as you now see it. Number of Driving Lanes and Driving Lane Widths Recall that the City of Chanhassen received the "Year 2005 . . . " traffic study by Benshoof and Associates in 1986. This study projected traffic volumes in the downtown area for the Year 2005. These traffic volumes, as well as the projected turning movements of this traffic, formed the basis of our design. (AVID J BENNETT DONALD W RINGROSE RICHARD P WOLSFELD PETER E JARVIS LAWRENCE J GARDNeR THOMAS F CARROLL CRAIG A AMUNDSEN DONALD E HUNT MARK G SWENSON JOHN B McNAMARA DONALD L CRAIG RICHARD D PILGRIM DALE N BECKMANN DENNIS J SUTLIFF MINNEAPOLIS DENVER PHOENIX . Mr. Don Ashworth November 30, 1987 Page 2 In particular, the projected volumes for TH 101 are almost 10,000 vehicles Average Daily Traffic (ADT) . The ability to effectively and safely accom- modate this volume of traffic was a key ingredient in the design of TH 101 from TH 5 to West 78th Street. Four thru lanes are necessary when designing for 10,000 (ADT) , thus the design of TH 101 from TH 5 to West 78th Street. The projected traffic volumes on West 78th Street west of the new TH 101 junction are less than those projected for TH 101. In our opinion, if one thru lane in each direction with left turn lanes and controlled access points were provided, the projected traffic volumes for West 78th Street could be handled. This design was also a critical element in the final decision to construct a roadway with medians. Decisions for final lane widths were made based upon three primary criteria. They were: 1. MnDOT Standards 2. Snow Plowing 3. Vehicle Breakdown Deviation from minimum MnDOT criteria for lane widths was deemed inappropriate and unacceptable. Thus, all lane widths meet minimum MnDOT criteria. The ability for snow removal was also an important element. Standard MnDOT lane widths are fourteen-foot face of curb to face of curb. The new roadway was designed at sixteen-foot face-to-face to provide addi- - tional width to accommodate snow removal . This lane width will also provide area for vehicle breakdowns while providing enough area for cars to proceed past the stalled vehicle. Number and Location of Curb Cuts How many curb openings and where they were to be placed was one of the most difficult elements in the roadway design. Future growth must be considered while still accommodating the existing conditions. An attempt was made in the design process to focus major intersection points (full median openings) at evenly spaced locations which would function under the current as well as future conditions. "Limited" full access median cuts were necessary in insuring proper traffic flow as well as providing maximized median areas for landscaping. Decisions on other curb cut locations and sizes were based upon local traf- fic patterns, traffic volumes, business access issues, safety, future deve- - lopment, and other design considerations. Mr. Don Ashworth November 30, 1987 Page 3 No Parking Zones Late last winter and early this spring it was apparent that the decision for or against on-street parking would be difficult but critical to the roadway design. The preferences of the City Council , HRA Board, and Planning Commission were Alternate Roadway Plan A, which was a median roadway. In attempting to provide maximized median areas for landscaping, the necessary travel lane widths, snow storage area, and the appropriate number of driving lanes, while coordinating with driveway curb cuts all within the existing right-of-way, it was apparent that on-street parking would not be accom- - modated. Of course, elimination of on-street parking was a key element in the decision to construct public parking lots such as the lot behind the Ponies/Pauly retail area. We attempted to consider and weigh all of the appropriate design criteria in these decisions. It must be pointed out again that a significant portion of the downtown project area falls within the jurisdiction of MnDOT. All of the design decisions within the project area were made based upon established MnDOT design guidelines, with MnDOT having final review decisions on that portion of the project being defined as TH 101. Therefore, as an example, the design of old West 78th Street which is now new TH 101 (in front of Ponies/Paulies) was based upon the required guidelines of MnDOT, with MnDOT having jurisdiction over final design decisions. Hopefully, this will help explain the basic elements which were an integral part of the final design of all the new downtown roadways. If I can offer further assistance or explanation, do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely, BENNETT-RINGROSE-WOL ,FELD-JARVIS-GARDNER, INC. Gary Ehret, P.E. Project Engineer GAE/sk cc: Mr. Gary Warren Mr. Todd Gerhardt File 7-8706 1111. NO/ : T-�__ a CI 1i c l: vc �Qr i/a cF �� 1 -/ �- ^-7r J__c.} -,1!a Pc.:4 ..� 7 0 r-',r, . , 744,e6-(AA-crr---q4 Court decisions ic:,.... ...,____ -,---' Jay Squires Failure to register development contract/ This case illustrates the importance ing the constitutionality of a city-owned of filing development contracts with the nativity scene, the Supreme Court county. (Good Value Homes Inc. v. found that the scene did not violate the effect on subsequent plat City of Eagan, Finance and Commerce, Establishment Clause. However, in this applications. Court of Appeals, August 14, 1987, at case, the Seventh Circuit Court of 21, col. 1.) •ppeals found that the Chicago display In 1979, Orrin Thompson Homes did violate the Constitution. applied for a preliminary plat approval. The court, in deciding, distinguished A development contract, submitted City-owned nativity Lynch. In Lynch, the court said the with the application, provided that a Supreme Court "found it hi hl si certain number of dwellings would be scenes: do they violate p g Y g constructed. The contract stated that the Establishment cant that the (nativity scene) was only " all terms and conditions of this one element of a larger display. This agreement run with the land . . . and Clause of the U.S. case is different. The evidence here shall be binding upon the heirs, succes- Constitution supports the conclusion that the nativ ity scene is self-contained, rather than sors, administrators, and assigns of Once ag ain, a case concerning the one element of a larger display." The Orrin Thompson Homes . . . ... In constitutionality of a city-owned nativity court found that the effect of the nativ- addition, a plat map provided for open scene has been decided by a federal ity scene was not "neutralized" by space in certain areas, including outlot court. In this case, the city of Chicago being located among non-religious holi- B. The contract was not filed with the displayed a variety of Christmas deco- day symbols. county. rations in their city hall. The decora- The court also distinguished Lynch Some years later, the plaintiff devel- tions included Christmas wreaths, a on the basis that the nativity scene, oper purchased outlot B from Orrin Christmas tree, a mechanical Santa though owned by the city, was located Thompson Homes. In 1986, the plain- Claus, a sleigh, and a nativity tY scene. in a private park. tiff applied for preliminary approval of a The nativity scene was located from 10 Because the nativity scene created a plat, consisting of three four-plex build- to 90 feet from the other decorations. "clear impression•' that the city ings. The city council denied the appli- The plaintiff filed suit, alleging that the endorsed Christianity, the scene vio- cation, finding (among other things) display violated the Establishment lated the Constitution. (American Jew- that the construction was not consist- Clause of the U.S. Constitution. ish Congress v. Chicago, 56 U.S.L.W. - ent with the original development plan. The Clause states that "Congress 2127, August 18, 1987, CA 7.) In this case, the court found the .hall make no law respecting an estab- city's denial of preliminary plat approval I'shment of religion." Though there has to be arbitrary and capricious. Because e'en much debate on the meaning of this Noteworthy decisions the development contract was not filed, .use, it is generally agreed that the A mental injury caused by work- the court said the plaintiff could not be clause at least stands for the proposition related mental stress is not a compens- held to the terms of the original agree- that government may not give prefer- able injury within the coverage of the ment. (The court did acknowledge the ence to any one religion; it must remain Workers Compensation Act. (Johnson ability of the landowners to privately neutral in religious matters. v. Paul's Auto and Truck Sales Inc., seek enforcement of the covenants in In Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668 Finance and Commerce, Supreme the development contract.) (1984), the most recent case concern- Court,July 31, 1987, at 25, col. 1.) ■ GARY FORD 612.389.2312 Ehlers and Associates,Inc. LEADERS IN PUBLIC FINANCE GF Contracting, Inc. Route 3, Box 255 Long-term financing and Princeton, MN 55371 acquisition of funds for municipalities. OVER 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE STEEL ERECTION • SANDBLASTING AND PAINTING OFFICES IN MINNEAPOLIS AND WAUKESHA CONTRACT WELDING • GENERAL MAINTENANCE 507 Marquette hoeing•Minneapolis,MN 55402.612 339 8291 FREEZE-UPS • EMERGENCY SERVICE • FROST JACKETS 34 Minnesota Cities November- 11, 1937 Henry Sosin 7400 Chanhassen ^oad Chanhassen, MN 55317 Barbara Dacey Director of Planning City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Street Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Barbara; Thank you for coming to our home for inspection on November 2 , 1937. As indicated that morning, we have had a survey done and the north property line, dividing our property from urver' s property, is in exact agreement with the survey line indicated on the {carver ' s development mans. We plan to plant on our side of the line to clearly indicate the position of the property line. As you saw, except for 2-3 trees on the easterly edge of our property line, all vecetat-on is on our side of the line. We would exoect no damage of these Plantings ngs during their construction. Thank you again. Sincerely, He ry Cos_ M D. L r w ' �� C•�94 U -C EZ+-) , S7v rt (40,..4 �' y - r•--- ,�.r<1. .[.Y.l-- ---� TO awl Prt�c,Pa A»aK�__Counties r + i••F, Townships ) ... o/u. +c.rs o.■c•ovt 1.I*Iarra i I 'u � CUB u� Q1 — Municipalities j NUS - RC.--.u71RRt1.ac , ► Rr C I --_---_— cI \ '-` IIMM/a. 17 IµGM M1Nr/ ANOKA CO. j`.ram` IQ, �I ammo I•Nwu I (r .rr� 1rI YM♦T.ra Mat. 10 tlL •arSt7 •• �• n• _••( .{._. I/0`•Irrtaal I a tawa MI 20 GJIT SlOue areaS[ITIANNI 21 Ia..M, f ta . •{..••• 12 O.T.O.t( •, _. •• 7 1MLVY D AM"moss • ..arl'.n Ia N5T•arw I I _ilk r__ S NMNrIYM a a....a.a t0.....4.21 K�M.••M —+ Il INK."all.aM I7 rf SCAT �^ •rIGF ANN.? 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There were some greater unofficial amounts. Some 335 rainfall reports were used to draw the Isohvet map. The area covered by 10 inches or more of rainfall was 93 square miles; 6 inches or more was 574 square miles and by 4 Inches or more was 1460 square miles.Much of the 6 inch and greater rainfalls occured over residential parts of the Twin Cities. To date an estimated '.. 7000 homes have reported water damage.At this time the known costs or damages are approximately 25 million dollars. This storm was preceded by 72 hours by a similarly onented storm with totals exceeding 9 inches. The earlier storm fell mostly in adjacent areas to the south and west. However, two storm totals exceeded 16 inches in some areas. The greatest official 24-hour rainfall amounts for the Twin Cities are as follows: 10.00"on July 23-24. 1987 ranks first, 7.90" in June 1892 ranks second,and 7.36'on August 30, 1977 ranks third. Prepared by Earl L Kuehnast. James A.Zandlo - _ Minnesota Department of Natural Resources State Climatology Omce C TIJ�I• f >Rv. . �J INNETONKA COMMUNITY SERVICES 261 school avenue excelsior, minnesota 55331-1987 phone (612) 474-5405 November 17, 1987 To: The City of Eden Prairie From: Elaine Evan, coordinator of the Senior to Senior Skills Bank of Minnetonka Community Services Re: If possible, please place the following announcement in your city newsletter. Our program's services are mainly for residents who live within the Minnetonka School District but we will make exceptions for those who have trouble finding help in their immediate community. Call Elaine Evan, 474-8296, for further information. The Senior to Senior Skills Bank, a help-at-home program for older adults sponsored by Minnetonka Community Services, will help senior homeowners find snow shovelers and snow blower operators in their neighborhoods. Please call soon for suggested names rather than waiting until the day of a storm. Call 474-8296. 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BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 November 25, 1987 Commander 385th Engineer Group Attn: Cpt. Lapinski Bldg. 506 Ft. Snelling St. Paul, Mn 55111-4093 Re: City of Chanhassen Request for Assistance, Lake Ann Park Expansion Dear Cpt. Lapinski: The City of Chanhassen is currently planning the expansion of our Lake Ann Park athletic facilities. The enclosed Site Plan details the extent of the proposed work. During 1988 we hope to complete the athletic fields and parking area marked as "-)roposed" and complete the preliminary grading of the fields and parking marked as "future". As I currently envision this project we will begin with a series of planning meetings between the City and the Army Reserve Units to he involved in .ianuary or February of 1988 and begin construction in the summer. If your Engineer Group would be interested in assisting us in the grading and construction activities associated with this project please contact me so that we can submit the necessary documentation to have this activity approved. I can be reached at 936-3107 during normal business hours and at (6122) 934-5680 evenings and weekends. I believe that we will be able to provide your Engineers with meaningful training while providing Chanhassen with a cost effective method of expanding or parks. Sincerely /Jay r. Johnson Chanhassen City Councilperson cc: Commander 407th Civil Affairs Company - Don Ashworth, Chanhassen City Manager Lori Sietsema, Chanhassen Park & Recreation Coordinator Gary Warren, Chanhassen City Engineer Chanhassen City Council C I TY Q F /71,c-7 CHANHASSEN' 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 November 25, 1987 Commander 407th Civil Affairs Company Bldg. 505 Ft. Snelling St. Paul, Mn 55111-4085 Re: City of Chanhassen Request for Assistance, Lake Ann Park Expansion Dear Cpt. Lapinski: The City of Chanhassen is currently planning the expansion of our Lake Ann Park athletic facilities. The enclosed Site Plan details the extent of the proposed work. During 1988 we hope to complete the athletic fields and parking area marked as "proposed" and complete the preliminary grading of the fields and parking marked as "future". As I currently envision this project we will begin with a series of planning meetings between the City and the Army Reserve Units to be involved in January or February of 1988 and begin construction in the summer. If your Civil Affairs Company would be interested in assisting us in the coordination and support activitie# associated with this project please contact me so that we can submit the necessary documentation to have this activity approved. I can be reached at 936-3107 during normal business hours and at (612) 934-5680 evenings and weekends. I believe that we will be able to provide your Public Works, Public Affairs and other teams with meaningful training while providing Chanhassen with a cost effective method of expanding or parks. Sincerely A ay E ohnson Chanhassen City Councilperson cc: Commander 385th Engineer Group Don Ashworth, Chanhassen City .'tanager Lori Sietsema, Chanhassen Park & Recreation Coordinator Gary Warren, Chanhassen City Engineer Chanhassen City Council tAr\\\Z-r-i,SL-2 _/\_,R-C\IZILAPA.,s-2t1g7/C-71MA FAMILY OF CHRIST LUTHERAN CHURCH Post Office Box 388 Church Phone Nate Castens, Pastor Chanhassen. Minnesota 55317 (812)934-5659 At Home 934-7870 1 NOVEMBER 10, 1987 �,.. r - C CITY OF CHANHASSENo ATT: DON ASHWORTH 7//I'/I 7 690 COULTER DR, P.O. BOX 147 CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 c ..c / eta la 6 f. 0. /y DEAR DON; cc).. S A r.,.. F THIS LETTER IS TO INFORM THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN THAT FAMILY OF CHRIST LUTHERAN CHURCH,WHICH HAS BEEN SUBLEASING "OLD ST. HUBERT'S CHURCH" WILL NOT BE RENEWING OUR LEASE WHEN IT EXPIRES AT THE END OF DECEMBER 1988. THIS NOTICE CONFORMS TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN OUR LEASE,OF ONE YEAR'S NOTICE TO VACATE OLD ST. HUBERT'S. AS YOU KNOW DON, WE ARE CURRENTLY PLANNING TO START CONSTRUCTION OF OUR NEW HOME IN CHANHASSEN iN THE SPRING OF 1988 (MARCH OR APRIL) WITH ANTICIPATED COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF OCTOBER/NOVEMBER 1988. YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF HOW CONSTRUCTION CAN/OR CANNOT G0. WE WOULD LIKE SOME FLEXIBILITY FROM THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN AS TO EXACTLY WHEN WE WILL VACATE OLD ST. HUBERT'S. WE AT FAMILY OF CHRIST ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE GROWING AND EXPANDING CITY OF CHANHASSEN. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY ON OUR NEW CHANHASSEN HOME. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN ON BEHALF OF OUR CONGREGATION FOR THE FINE CO-OPERATION THAT WE HAVE HAD OVER THE YEARS IN THE USE OF OLD ST. HUBERT'S IT HAS BEEN A GOOD HOME. IT'S NOW TIME FOR US TO GROW/EXPAND ALONG WITH THE PROGRESSIVE CITY OF CHANHASSEN. SIINNCCCERELY, MIKE WEIBERG NOV ? 3 1987 PRESIDENT, FAMILY OF CHRIST CITY OF CHANHASSEN /J_/ ':f, . ., I ; ?� . • SHELTER TECH ifil REAL ESTATE JOURNAL ' � 1". - November 18 , 1987 Dear Business Leader : A community' s good fortune is having a healthy economic development program which encourages business expansion and development, creates new jobs and keeps the wheels of progress turning. Chanhassen, Minnesota, with a population of 8,000 , is one of the - fastest growing cities in the western suburbs. In the past few years one million square feet of commercial/industrial space has been added as well as nearly 1, 000 people moving into the community. This recent growth is further exemplified by the current plans for the downtown redevelopment which include removing almost every existing building and relocating those existing businesses into new structures . - The Minnesota Real Estate Journal will focus on the city of Chanhassen, Minnesota, December 21 , 1987 in the twelfth of its City Profile series. • The Minnesota Real Estate Journal is the state ' s commercial real estate and economic development weekly newspaper. MREJ readers are the • state ' s real estate decision makers. . .developers, investors, owners , corporate real estate executives, contractors, brokers , architects. . . and so many more. Readership numbers over 30 ,000 , 75 percent of which are major decision makers in their firms . Your advertising message within this special Chanhassen City Profile will create for you an awareness of your city, your business, your services, - your projects and developments along with your people to our readers. It is an opportunity to market your city/business on a statewide level . Advertising in the MREJ is also a cost effective investment of your - advertising dollar. Rates are: Full page $845 Half page $560 Junior page $650 Quarter page $380 We will be calling on you within the next week to determine your willingness to participate in the Chanhassen City Profile in the MREJ. Space reservation deadline is Monday, December 14, 1987 at 5 PM. Art , design and typesetting services are available at a nominal charge. We look forward to working with you and your community in. the. coming • weeks . Please call us with any additional questions you may have. Warm regards , r`��y_- `� 7 487 - ; NOV Mari Adam f soBLAy, Carol J. Atkins-Gottlieb Advertising Manager Advertising Account Executive - Or CHANHASSE; 7701 YORK AVENUE SOUTH •SUITE 390 • EDINA, MN 55435 •(612) 893-1816 2/747 C I T Y 0 F i= CHANHASSEN ,42 . sxd \, 1/4 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (6- 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator FROM: Todd Hoffman, Assistant Park and Recreation Coordinator / DATE: November 10 , 1987 SUBJ: 1987 Fall Conference The following is an outline of the events and educational sessions which I attended during the 1987 MRPA Annual Conference held October 14-16 in Brooklyn Park. Wednesday, October 14 Participated in the "West of the Mississippi" tour of recreational areas , including Brooklyn Park Historical Farm, Brooklyn Park Community Activity Center, and Coon Rapids Regional Dam. Each tour was sponsored by the hosting community and pro- vided time for questions about development phases , maintenance, budget concerns , etc. , to be asked. Attended the National Youth Sports Coaches Association Chapter Development meeting. This meeting dealt with the philosophy behind NYSCA and qualified myself as a certified instructor enabling me to hold coaching certification programs in Chanhassen. Attended the evening dinner and program featuring Barry Tindall , Director of Public Affairs , National Recreation and Park Association speaking on "The President' s Commission on American Outdoors : Recommendations , Options , Actions" . Thursday, October 15 Attended the morning general session "the Building of Healthy Adult Relationships" by Earnie Larsen , author and lecturer, E. Larsen Enterprises , Inc. Attended educational sessions "Creative Thinking Techniques for Program Ideas" by Joy Joyner , PhD. , Assistant Professor , Mankato State University and "The Future of Recreational Sports" by Michael Wade, PhD. , Director of Physical Education and Ms . Lori Sietsema November 10 , 1987 Page 2 Recreation, University of Minnesota and "Youth Sports - A Lot to Gain, A Lot to Lose" by Denny Maschka , Assistant Director , Austin Park and Recreation. Joyner stressed that creativity is the juggling of everyday ideas and occurrences . Wade emphasized the affects of the increased leisure spending over shorter periods of time, leisure services must be displayed on a platter enabling consumers to quickly choose what they prefer. Maschka discussed the positive and negative aspects of organized youth sports and possible solutions to balancing the opposing sides while not negatively affecting the youth involved. Attended product/service demonstrations in Exhibit Hall. Attended the 50th Anniversary Banquet and Awards Presentation. Friday, October 16th Attended educational sessions "Parks in China - People, Places , Things" by Floyd Roberts , Superintendent of Parks , City of Mankato and "Special Events and Public Relations" by Paul Ridgway, President , Ridgeway Associates, Inc. Roberts compared China' s low availability of land for parks with our readily available land, but the reverse is true when comparing workforces . China has 4 to 5 times as many people employed in park services as the United States . Ridgeway, who has worked for such 1 prominents as Jimmy Carter, Rudy Perpich and Mark Dayton, empha- sized that the only way to stage a successful event is to not limit your ideas , but to shoot for the best. Attended the general session "North to the Pole: Powered by Dogs and the Human Spirit" by Ann E . Bancroft, North Pole Team member , Steger International Polar Expedition . /2/7/V C I TY 0 F k CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: November 13 , 1987 SUBJ: MRPA Fall Conference I attended the annual fall conference on October 14-16 . I found the sessions to be enlightening and informational and the networking valuable . For instance, I was able to talk to other Park and Recreation professionals about their programming philosophies , about referendums that have passed and failed, and about trail networks. The first session that I attended was the National Youth Sports Coaches Association. I attended this to become better acquainted with what the association had to offer and what philosophies they associated with. I have encouraged the CAA to become active in the NYSCA by opening a chapter here in Chanhassen. The NYSCA pro- vides training videos for coaches of each sport. It also provides insurance for the teams of the sponsoring agency. NYSCA is an important link in providing quality sports opportunities for Chanhassen youth. I also attended a session on bond referendums . The speakers were Park and Recreation Directors of cities where referendums have passed and failed. We explored some of the reasons why the votes went the way they did and the speakers gave advice as to what they would do differently. For example, in Lakeville, a referen- dum passed for park development in 1982 and a community center referendum failed in 1984 . Steve Michaud indicated that not enough time was allowed to prepare for the second referendum. Golden Valley felt they did not get the support of the business community, causing theirs to fail . I also attended a session on "Shaping Your Personal Image" . This was a fun session that looked at our personal style so that you feel good about the way you look. They discussed appropriate clothing for the recreational professional . Mr. Don Ashworth November 13 , 1987 — Page 2 — "Playing Around with Health and Wellness" explored the importance of play throughout one' s lifetime and how it can positively enhance one' s health and well-being. The workshop included dif- ferent play experiences to demonstrate their points . The message — 07as to provide your community with play opportunities that do not necessarily have to be structured leagues or programs . — I think the highlight of the conference was Ann Bancroft' s discussion of the expedition to the North Pole by dog sled. It was an inspiring story. I think the message I took away from that session was to take risks and dare to follow your dreams . LAW OFFICES }JJl"ivvv N"4 GRANN1S, GRANNIS, FARRELL & KNUTSON G �"�— DAVID L. GRANNIS- 1874-1961 PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION �rJ TEI.EC(K'iER: DAVID L.GRANNIS,JR. - 1910-I980 ^ (612)455-2359 POST OFFICE Box 57 > DAVID 1... HARMEYER _ 41 VANCE B.GRANNIS 403 NoRWEST BANK BUILDING / 4 r M.CE(:IUA RAY VANCE B.GRANNIS,JR. 161 NORTH CONCORD EXCHANGE ELI.1U1T B. KNETSC.H PATRICK A. FARRELL MICHAEL J. MAYER DAVID L.GRANNIS, 111 SoUTI1 ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 55075 ROGER N. KNUiSON TELEPHONE: (612)455-1661 November 11 , 1987 Mr. Fred Hoisington Hoisington Group, Inc. 7300 Metro Boulevard Suite 525 Edina, Minnesota 55435 Dear Mr. Hoisington: Enclosed is a redrafted Agreement for Great Plains Boule- vard right-of-way between the City and Church of St. Hubert . Please call if you have any questions. Very truly yours , GRANNIS, GRANNIS, FARRELL & KNUTSON, P.A. _ BY: M. Cecilia Ray MCR: srn Enclosure cc: on Ashworth N O V 1 3 '9 8 i CITY OF CHANHASSEN REPURCHASE AGREEMENT THIS AGREEMENT made and executed this day of , 1987 , by and between the CITY OF CHANHASSEN, a Minnesota municipal corporation (hereinafter "Owner") , and THE CHURCH OF SAINT HUBERT OF CHANHASSEN MINN. , a religious corporation (hereinafter "Optionee") . WITNESSETH: For and in consideration of the sum of One Dollar ($1. 00) and other good and valuable consideration, the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, Owner hereby grants unto Optionee the right of first refusal hereinafter described covering the tract of land in Carver County, Minnesota, described on the attached Exhibit "A" (hereinafter "subject property") . In the event the Owner elects to use the subject property for purposes other than a public purpose, then, after written notice from Owner of such election, Optionee shall have thirty (30) days in which to elect to purchase the subject property for $13 , 918 . 73 , plus an amount for appreciation of the property value, which shall be calculated at a rate of eight percent (8%) per year on the purchase price, accrued from the date of this agreement. Election to exercise this right of first refusal shall be made by mailing notice to Owner at the Chanhassen City Hall , which notice shall state the total purchase price to be paid, and be fully signed by Optionee. Payment of the purchase price to Owner shall be made within ten (10) days following notice of Optionee's election to purchase. Failure of Optionee to so elect to purchase the subject property and to pay the purchase price within said time periods shall terminate all right, title, or interest of Optionee in and to the subject property without further notice thereof to Optionee. OWNER: CITY OF CHANHASSEN BY: Thomas L. Hamilton, Mayor _ BY: Don Ashworth, City Manager OPTIONEE: THE CHURCH OF SAINT HUBERT OF CHANHASSEN MINN. BY: STATE OF MINNESOTA ) ( ss. COUNTY OF CARVER The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this day of , 1987 , by Thomas L. Hamilton, Mayor, and by Don Ashworth, City Manager, of the City of Chanhassen, a Minnesota municipal corporation, on behalf of the corporation and pursuant to authority granted by its City Council . NOTARY PUBLIC STATE OF MINNESOTA ) ( ss. COUNTY OF CARVER The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this day of , 1987 , by the of The Church of Saint Hubert of Chanhassen Minn. , a religious corporation, on its behalf. NOTARY PUBLIC Hoisington Group Inc. Land Use Consultants November 12 , 1937 Father Barry Schneider St . Hubert Catholic Church & School 7807 Great Plains Boulevard Chanhassen , Minnesota 55317 Re: Revised Proposal to Acquire Great Plains Boulevard Dear Father Schneider : Based on the opinion of the St . Hubert Attorney , which is that the City of Chanhassen may not levee special assessments against the cemetary , I herewith submit a revised proposal for the acquisition of Great Plains Boulevard which includes a combination of special assessments for the old church site plus a cash payment . The total amount of the settlement will remain the same , $13, 918 . 73 , and the special assessment portion of the settlement will be escrowed as per our mutual understanding . The City ' s proposal is to assess the old church site (85 feet of front footage) in accordance with the original assessment roll at a rate of $23. 75 per front foot for sanitary sewer and $31 . 00 per front foot for water main improvements . The sanitary sewer and water main services will remain unchanged since those are being provided to serve the old church building . We also propose to reduce the storm drainage assessment to cover only the old church site . The special assessment tabulation , then , will be as follows : Sanitary Sewer Assessment $2 , 018 . 75 Sanitary Sewer Service 746 . 77 Water Main Assessment 2 , 635 . 00 Water Main Service 935 . 31 Storm Drainage Assessment 759 . 90 TOTAL ASSESSMENT $7 , 095 . 73 7300 Metro Blvd. Suite 525 Edina, MN 55435 (612)835-9960 The above amount would be escrowed and special assessments would be paid from the escrow account as previously agreed upon . The balance of the settlement , $6 , 823 .00 , would be paid in cash by the City at the time of closing . We also are willing to agree to a repurchase agreement should the City not use the property for public purposes . If all is agreeable , I will have the Grannis firm prepare the revised documentation accordingly . If you have any questions, give me a call . Sincerely , Fr d Hoisington Planning Consultant cc : Donald Ashworth Cecilia Ray i2(7 ( k7 TO: DON ASHWORTH L r 4c, Y • FROM: SCOTT HARR DATE: 11-13-87 Don, This memo is to respond to your requests that I follow up on the following: 1. ) CHAN VISTA: I went to the area with Ron Julkowski and spoke with the Job Supervisor. He advised me that they have one full-time employee that is assigned to cleaning up the area. Both Ron & I thought that the area now appears acceptable, and that the only debris in the area is that normally associated with such:i construction project. Ron reports to me that they have been very cooperative with him. I explained the concern to the Job Supervisor, who assured me that he would keep an eye on the area. 2. ) BLUFF CREEK/14 AREA: Upon inspection, it appears that there are two areas that fit the description you save me. The owner of the property at 1160 Bluff Creek Dr. has been issued a warning with 30 days to clear the area. The other area is proving difficult to locate an owner on, but we are pursuing it. Thanks for bringing these matterr to my attention. =T /217/i7 C.� /6 LAW OFFICES OFFICES GRANNIS, GRANNIS, FARRELL & KNUTSON DAVID L.GRANNIS- 1874-1961 PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION TELECOPIER: - DAVID L. GRANNIS,JR. - 1910-1980 POST OFFICE BOX 57 (612)455-2359 VANCE B.GRANNIS 403 NOR WEST BANK BUILDING DAVID L. HARMEVER M. CECIUA RAY VANCE B.GRANNIS,JR. 161 NORTH CONCORD EXCHANGE ELLIOrr B. KNETSCH - PATRICK A. FARRELL MICHAEL J. MAYER DAVID L. GRANNIS,Ill SOUTH ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 55075 ROGER N. KNUTSON TELEPHONE:(612)455-1661 November 19 , 1987 Mr. Don Ashworth City Manager City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive P. O. Box 147 Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317 Re : Soo Line Grade Crossing Agreements - Great Plains Blvd. and new crossing Dear Don: The Railroad' s attorney and I have come to an agreement on the above-referenced agreements. The Railroad will be sending original agreements for execution by the City Council to Gary Warren. Mr. Warren has advised me the agreements will be placed on the agenda for the December 7, 1987 Council meeting. Please call if you have any questions. Very truly yours , GRANNIS, GRANNIS, FARRELL & KNUTSON BY : 0/40. Elliott B. K etsch EBK/klt cc : Gary Warren NOV 20i987 CITY OF CHANHASSEN /2 /7 /i7 LAW OFFICES GRANNIS, GRANNIS, FARRELL & KNUTSON C G �pc c/C DAVID L.GRANNIS- 1874-1961 PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION TELECOPIER: DAVID L.GRANNIS,JR. - 1910-1980 POST OFFICE BOX 57 (612)455-2359 VANCE B.GRANNIS 403 NORWEST BANK BUILDING DAVID L. HARMEYER M.CECILIA RAY VANCE B.GRANNIS,JR. 161 NORTH CONCORD EXCHANGE ELLIOTT B. KNETSCH PATRICK A. FARRELL MICHAEL J. MAYER DAVID L.GRANNIS, III SOUTH ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 55075 ROGER N. KNUTSON TELEPHONE: (612)455-1661 November 20 , 1987 Mr. Don Ashworth City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive, Box 147 Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317 RE: Burdick vs. City of Chanhassen Dear Don: Enclosed for the City' s file please find copy of Respondent' s Brief which we served and filed in the above-entitled appeal matter. Please call if you have any questions or comments. ( Very truly y rs, GRANNIS, GR IS, ARR*LL & KNUTSON, P.A. r N✓Knuts RNK: srn / ' Enclosure NOV 2 3 i987 CITY OF CHANHASSEN' .. . .)•.-•...p,-,• ,t,r7-1. ' 1/ • f 1--,,- '•'',i. • \" •....—--• L. '': -, '6 '\'','"ii,- -1-'-'714 s:...,:.- t rs, 'TAC 14:` .'"'''I '' '-:. '• ' ,.' ' •••• 4., ? ••. '. ••••' - ""••••'" 'iktb. • • • . 'e-• -.. -'‘-' ?N.;-.., -, 1 ,,,,. •# ,,. ..„- .. .0.' . •4 - o i • A le V!.,, '', 4..i. ,•'• . . ,i:.• '.i-' .,:‘.,, , :- .'i''..,-k' •.' . ,P, •.iie,'et t.'•4)1.e- .-1 f-.....-•, •&:: ..• Lt,01,il ..,1 ,4#. 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The City Complied with the "Quick Take" Provisions of M.S . § 117 . 042 6 CONCLUSION 8 APPENDIX Pacre Property Acquisition Map, April 1987 A-1 i Me TABLE OF AUTHORITIES Page CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS U.S. Const. , Amend. V 4 U.S . Const. , Amend. XIV 4 Minn. Const. , Article I § 13 4 STATUTES Minn. Stat. § 117 . 042 1, 6, 7 , 8 Minn. Stat. § 117 . 075 4 Minn. Stat. § 462 . 445, subd. (1) (6) (1986) 5 Minn. Stat. § 462 . 581 (8) (1986) 5 RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE Minn. R. Civ. Pro. , R. 52 . 01 5 _I CASES City of Duluth v. State, 390 N.W. 2d 757 (Minn. 1986) 4 , 5 City of Pipestone v. Halbersma, 294 N.W. 2d 271 (Minn. 1980) 5 Cooperative Power Association v. Eaton, 284 N.W. 2d 395 (Minn. 1979) 7 County of Blue Earth v. Stauffenberg, 264 N.W. 2d 647 (Minn. 1978) 5 Housing and Redevelopment Authority v. Minneapolis Metropolitan Co. , 259 Minn. 1, 104 N.W. 2d 864 (1960) 5 f ii z LEGAL ISSUE Whether the trial court's finding of public necessity for the — taking of all of Lot 8, Block 1, Frontier Development Park, by the City of Chanhassen is clearly erroneous. STATEMENT OF FACTS Resolution No. 87-17 . On March 2 , 1987, the Chanhassen City Council adopted Resolution No. 87-17, authorizing acquisition by eminent domain proceedings of certain properties within the Chanhassen Downtown Redevelopment Project Area. The resolution identified the parcels by reference to the Amended and Revised Plan for the Chanhassen Downtown Redevelopment Project, dated January 1987. Resolution 87-17 represented the culmination of efforts by the City of Chanhassen ("City") and the 1 Housing and Redevelopment Authority in and for the City of Chanhassen ("HRA") to implement the Chanhassen Downtown Redevelopment Plan, dated October 28 , 1977 . Condemnation Petition. —� By Petition dated March 16, 1987, and filed with the District 1 Court March 17, 1987, the City commenced its action in condemnation "for the purpose of implementing the Redevelopment Plan. " Petition, para. IV. The Petition further states that the petitioner will proceed under the "quick take" provision, M.S. § 117 . 042 . Petition, para. VI. —1 All parties named in the Petition were served, and received notice of the intended "quick take" pursuant to M.S . § 117 . 042 . -1- Appellants B.C. Burdick and Brigitte Burdick hold interests in Lot 8 and Lot 9, Block 1, Frontier Development Park, Carver County, Minnesota. These lots are designated for acquisition and identified as Parcels 8 and 9, respectively, in the City's Petition. District Court Hearing, April 30, 1987 . At the hearing on the City's Petition, held April 30, 1987, before the Honorable Phillip T. Kanning, judge of the District Court, First Judicial District, appellants alone challenged the necessity of — the condemnatio n. The City provided the Court with a map showing the parcels to be acquired (Appendix p. 1) and introduced testimony from Gary Ehret, a registered g tered civil engineer acting as project engineer on — j the Downtown Redevelopment, and from Fred Hoisington, an urban planner working with the City in the design and implementation of its Redevelopment Plan. Mr. Ehret testified that all of Parcel 9 and three-quarters of Parcel 8 are needed for roadway and a storm water retention pond. (4-30 Trans. pp. 11-12 , 18, 24 , 26) . Mr. Hoisington 3 testified that the balance of Lot 8, its northeast corner, is proposed for development as an enhanced entryway to downtown Chanhassen. (4-30 Trans. pp. 31, 36, 37) . In addition, some grading of the northeast corner of Lot 8 will be required to accommodate a new on-grace-] crossing. 4- ( 30 Trans. pp. 31) . On cross-examination appellants' counsel, William } questioned Misters Ehret and Hoisington about a property map, labeled Figure 20, included in the Chanhassen L7ownto :n . Study, dated November 1986. ("November 1986 Map") Map does not designate the northeast corner of :,ot _ _. _ - : -2- Both testified that as the Project developed since the adoption by the City Council of the November Feasibility Study and the January 1987 1 Supplemental Report, but before the adoption of Resolution 87-17 in March, the northeast corner of Lot 8 was included for acquisition under the Redevelopment Plan. (4-30 Trans. pp. 16 , 30, 34-37) . — 1 Resolution No. 87-37 . — On May 4, 1987, the Chanhassen City Council adopted Resolution 87-37, authorizing acquisition by eminent domain proceedings of a number of easements and parcels in fee title, specifically including all of Lot 8. Resolution 87-37 was not available for the District — Court's review prior to the issue of its Order dated May 26 and filed May 29 , 1987. The Court ruled, "[a]bsent additional Findings from m the City Council, the petitioner may not take the northeast portion of Lot — 8 . " 4 District Court Hearing, July 10, 1987 . 3 Following issuance, without a prior hearing, of an amended 4 Order dismissing Lot 8 from the condemnation action, the City moved the H — 1 court for an amended Order to restore Lot 8 to the action. At the hearing on the City's motion, held 10 — July 1987, the Mayor of Chanhassen, Thomas L. Hamilton, testified as to the public necessity and the public use for Lot 8 . The parcel is needed for sight lines —1 9 along the railroad tracks, landscaping, and an entrance monument. (7-10 Trans. p. 18) . In addition, that part of Lot 8 not occupied for those uses, if any, would be amalgamated with the neighboring Parcels 6 and 'r 7, already acquired by the City in the condemnation action, for resale -3- as part of the redevelopment program. Id. The Mayor also said of Lot 8 , t was intended to be a"[i] part of the acquisition in the first place and it was simply an oversight on our part it was not included. " (7-10 Trans. pp. 27) . — By Order dated July 13 and filed July 23 , 1987, Judge Kanning ruled, "[t]he taking of Parcel 8 as described in the Petition is for a public purpose and is necessary to implement the Downtown Redevelopment Plan. " ARGUMENT — 1 I. 1 1 THE TRIAL COURT CORRECTLY FOUND A PUBLIC NECESSITY FOR — I THE TAKING OF ALL OF LOT 8 , BLOCK 1, FRONTIER DEVELOP- MENT PARK, BY THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN. A condemning authority is empowered to acquire property through eminent domain only where the taking serves a public use and a public necessity. U.S . Const. Amend. V and XIV; Minn. Const. Art. I, § 13 ; Minn. Stat. § 117 . 075; City of Duluth v. State, 390 N.W. 2d 757, _ 9 762-766 (1986) . Appellants concede the City has shown a public use for 4 both Lots 8 and 9 . App. Brief p. 10. Appellants also concede public necessity has been established for the acquisition of Lot 9 and three- _ quarters of Lot 8 . The only issue before the court is whether the City 1 of Chanhassen has shown a public necessity for acquiring the northeast — corner of Lot 8 . Appellants tacitly admit in the conclusion to their Brief that the City could show the requisite public necessity for the taking of the northeast corner of Lot 8 . Their only argument is that — the record so far is insufficient. Their sole aim is to delay the condemnation action in the hope that the market value of the land will increase in the interim. -4- Standard of Review. The parties agree on the standard of review to be applied by the Court of Appeals. Findings of Fact made by a court sitting without a jury may only be set aside if they are clearly erroneous, and due regard shall be given to the opportunity of the trial judge to judge the credibility of the witnesses. Minn. R. Civ. Pro. 52 . 01; City of Duluth v. State, 390 N.W.2d 757 (Minn. 1986) . Public Necessity for Taking Lot 8. — It is well-settled that "the requisite necessity is not absolute necessity. It is enough to find that 'the proposed taking is reasonably necessary or convenient for the furtherance of a proper purpose. '" City of Duluth, 390 N.W.2d at 764-65; County of Blue Earth v. Stauffenberg, 264 N.W. 2d 647, 650 (Minn. 1978) . Moreover, "[t]he court is precluded from substituting its own judgment for that of the (condemning) authority as to what may be necessary and proper to carry out the purpose of the plan. " Housing and Redevelopment Authority v. Minneapolis Metropolitan Co. , 259 Minn. 1, 104 N.W. 2d 864 , 874 (1960) . The City Council's resolution is prima facie evidence of necessity. City of Pipestone v. Halbersma, 294 N.W.2d 271 (Minn. 1980) . Appellants did not introduce any evidence to overcome the presumption created by the resolution. In Resolution No. 87-37 , the Chanhassen City Council explicitly stated that the Downtown Redevelopment Plan requires the acquisition of all of Lot 8 . The council is empowered to acquire property it deems necessary to carry out a Redevelopment Project pursuant to M.S. §§ 462 . 445, subd. (1) (6) and 462 . 581 (8) (1986) . Considerable testimony also supports the District Court's -5- decision granting the City's Petition for the condemnation of all of Lot 8 . Three-quarters of the lot will be used for roadway and a storm water drainage pond. (4-30 Trans. pp. 12, 18, 24, 26) . The balance, the northeast corner, must be graded and left vacant to provide sight lines along the railroad tracks and crossing. An entry monument, not conflicting with the sight lines, will be constructed. If any portion of the northeast corner is not occupied by these uses, it will be combined with the remnants of Parcels 6 and 7 to create a new, usable lot. (4-30 Trans. pp. 31, 36-37 ; 7-10 Trans. p. 18) . — II. THE CITY COMPLIED WITH THE ~QUICK TAKE~ PROVISIONS OF M.S. § 117. 042 . At pages 16 through 20 of their Brief appellants allege the City is not entitled to possession of Lot 9 and the northeast corner of Lot 8 by "quick take". This claim is not properly before the Court. By Order dated September 30, 1987, this Court limited the issue on this interlocutory appeal to the question of public necessity. Even if this issue was properly before this Court, however, the District Court's finding that the City is entitled to immediate possession of appellants' lots is correct. Minn. Stat. § 117. 042 provides, in part: Whenever the petitioner shall require title and possession of all or part of the owner's property prior to the filing of an award by the court appointed commissioners, the petitioner shall, at least 90 days prior to the date on which possession is to be taken, notify the owner of the intent to possess by notice served by certified mail and before taking title and possession shall pay to the owner or deposit with the court an amount equal to petitioner's approved appraisal of value. The statute does not require the condemning authority to adopt la written finding stating the authority's requirement for title and -6- -I possession prior to the commissioners' award. The law does require that the need exist. The court in Co-operative Power Association v. Eaton, 284 N.W. 2d 395 at 398 (Minn. 1979) ruled "the parties may present evidence at the hearing in support of their respective positions" regarding the requirement of quick take. (emphasis added) The City complied with all the prerequisite actions specified under M.S. § 117 . 042 . Appellants received service on March 18, by certified mail, notifying them of the City's intent to take possession of their property named in the Petition ninety (90) days after service. The City deposited the approved appraisal value of appellants' lots with the court on August 27. The City further established a genuine requirement for title and possession under the "quick take" provision. The Mayor of Chanhassen testified that immediate possession of and title to appellants' lots was required so construction of the storm water drainage pond and the new road could begin under the contract let June 29. (7-10 Trans. pp. 18-20) . Appellants presented no evidence at either the April 30 or July 10 hearing disputing this need. -7- CONCLUSION Public use and public necessity exist for the taking of Lots 8 and 9. The City is further entitled to immediate possession of and title to the lots pursuant to M.S. § 117. 042 . The District Court's Orders of July 13 and August 28, 1987, confirming the City's acquisition of these lots through condemnation should be upheld. Dated: November 19, 1987. des y submitted, G NIS, IS, F LL SON, P. BY. GER N. KNUTSON Attorneys for Respondent City of Chanhassen 403 Norwest Bank Building 161 North Concord Exchange South St. Paul, MN 55075 (612) 455-1661 Attorney Reg. No. 57186 -8- APPENDIX Page Property Acquisition Map, April 1987 A-1 1 \ 1 n I W ;, I \I I ! I �: \ \ §g 1 1 1 I j I i co a .. .•\ �s t '' \ ` II I'I II u 4 ti gw ^. 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Warren, PE City Engineer 690 Coulter Drive P.O. Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Mr. Warren: RE: RAILROAD CROSSING REALIGNMENT AND SIGNAL MODIFICATION GREAT PLAINS BLVD. FILE 686-11 CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA This letter is in reply to yours dated October 13, 1987, concerning the above grade crossing. We apologize for the delay in getting this project off the ground this construction season. We still have a couple of items to complete before the project can proceed next spring. First, we ask that the City submit to the Minnesota Department of Trans- portation, Mr. R. G. Swanson, the plans for the roadway widening and the proposed relocation of the crossing warning devices and installation of cantilevered flashing light signals with modified crossing gates for the widened crossing. Preliminary approval from the State should then be forwarded to this office so we can proceed with signal plans. Upon receipt of this approval, we can proceed with detailed circuit plans which will be submitted later to the State Department of Transportation for final approval. Second, we need the executed copies of the agreement which were handed to you at our meeting on October 7, 1987. We are proceeding with management authority to permit Soo Line execution of the agreement and progress of this project. We expect to have every- thing in order to carry out the work during the 1988 construction season. Yours very truly, /444- L. . Sultze Public Contact Engineer NOV 1 9 1H7 LGS/asm CITY OF CHANHASSEN