1983 03 09
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 9, 1983
~ CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Chairman Conrad called the meeting to order at 7:37 p.m.
Members Present
J. Thompson, Merz, Albee, Conrad, Ryan, Noziska, and M. Thompson.
Absent
none
Staff Present
craig Mertz, City Attorney; Bob Waibel, City Planner; Vicki
Churchill, Secretary.
Public Present
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Thomas Klingelhutz
Bob Hendrickson
V.C. Wirtz
Daniel Teich
Jim Sulerud
Michael Murphy
Kathy Murphy
Lynne Pilgrim
Al Klingelhutz
H. Ray Brenden
John Hennessy
Merrill Steller
Richard Vogel
Dave Luse
Bruce Goldstein
8551 Tigua Circle, Chanhassen
Box 176, Chanhassen
1620 Koehnen Circle, Excelsior
10151 Great Plains Blvd., Chaska
730 Vogelsberg Trail, Chaska
8021 Cheyenne Spur, Chanhassen
8021 Cheyenne Spur, Chanhassen
8026 Dakota Ave., Chanhassen
8601 Great Plains Blvd., Chanhassen
6730 Galpin Blvd., Excelsior
7305 Galpin Blvd., Excelsior
1931 Crestview Drive, Excelsior
105 pioneer Trail, Chaska
8056 Rose Street, victoria
600 NW Nat'l Bank Building, St. Paul
Extension of Limted Fast Food Restaurant Moratorium
Mertz summarized briefly that the City Council enacted a limited
six (6) month building moratorium on August 23, 1982, which pro-
hibited the construction of any fast food restaurant in the Park
Two Business Park, in the Dakota Avenue/Hwy. 5 vicinity (Outlots
1 and 2 of Chanhassen Estates), and on the undeveloped property
adjacent to CPT. This moratorium expired February 23, 1983.
Staff recommends that the moratorium be extended for another
twelve (12) month period to allow additional time for preparation
and adoption of revised zoning regulations.
Following Mertz's summary, Chairman Conrad asked the public pre-
sent if anyone had any input on this item.
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M. Murphy - I am tired of extending this moratorium. I think we
have not passed what has been talked about - possibilities of
other fast food restaurants coming in. I would also like to find
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out if the Planning Commission has finished the new zoning regu-
lations that they talked about in August of 1982, where neigh-
borhood industrial or neighborhood commercial.
Conrad - We are reviewing all zoning in the City right now. We
are reviewing all ordinances and it's a long process, but we did
hire a consultant to expedite the process. Even one ordinance we
find that once you get into it, it takes a great deal of time.
M. Murphy - Well then since we're not ready to do anything with
that zoning ordinance, I think that it would probably make alot
of sense not to recommend that we need a moratorium.
K. Murphy - My concern is that since McDonald's is currently
going up on the corner and not open, we have no idea of how much
traffic is going to be generated there, that is our only entrance
in and out of the subdivision, that is the only access on that
frontage road and I feel that there shouldn't be any other
building in that area. We don't know how much traffic is going
to be generated there.
Conrad asked if there were any other comments.
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M. Thompson moved, seconded by Albee to close the Public Hearing,
all voted in favor and the motion carried.
M. Thompson asked why the staff was asking for 12 months. Waibel
stated that they were looking at the time frame the Planning
Commission set aside to revise the zoning and Subdivision amend-
ments.
Mertz explained that the Planning Commission's options were to
recommend that 1) this be continued as is, and 2) recommend that
the present moratorium be allowed to expire, and 3) to recommend
some specific amendment to perhaps the Cl, C2, and C3 permitted
uses or the conditional uses in those zones so as to rule out
fast food restaurants. If you choose the third alternative you
would have to schedule another public hearing to properly give
notice to the public that you are proposing to make an amendment
to the ordinance itself.
Merz asked it there were any other applications for further
construction in the area. Waibel stated there were no other
applications at this time.
J. Thompson moved, seconded by Ryan, to extend the moratorium for
another twelve (12) month period to allow additional time for
preparation and adoption of revised zoning regulations. All
voted in favor except M. Thompson, motion carried.
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M. Thompson stated that the City really has not done their job in
that time and that that property should have never been allowed
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to be zoned that way, so a fast food restaurant could go in that
district. He stated the moratorium should be shorter so that we
are prompted to finish off what we started to do.
Proposed Building and Subdivision Moratorium Ordinance for
Unsewered Area
Mertz summarized proposed Ordinance 64C as an interium ordinance
temporarily prohibiting subdivision of land, building construc-
tion and land development within the areas of Chanhassen not
served by City sanitary sewer, and providing a penalty for the
violation thereof.
Al Klingelhutz, Ray Brenden, Tom Klingelhutz, Bob Hendrickson,
Merrill Steller and Michael Murphy all concurred that they did
not want the moratorium extended. They felt that they were being
discriminated against because of Ordinance 45.
Albee moved, seconded by Noziska, to close the Public Hearing.
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
M. Thompson moved, seconded by Noziska, to address the City
Council with a suggestion that they do not adopt the moratorium,
and the Planning Commission proceed with due haste to revising of
existing zoning ordinances.
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Noziska withdrew his second on this motion. Motion fails for
lack of a second.
Albee moved, seconded by Conrad, to approve adoption of Ordinance
64C as drafted, subject to amending the effective date provi-
sions, specifically, that it be a 6 month duration.
Conrad withdrew his second on this motion. Motion fails for lack
of a second.
Merz moved, seconded by J. Thompson, to disapprove Ordinance 64C
but recommend approval of Section 6 only of the proposed ordi-
nance regarding Emergency Septic Regulations. Vote in favor, J.
Thompson, Merz, Albee, Ryan and Noziska. Naye, M. Thompson and
Conrad.
M. Thompson stated that he wanted Ordinance 45 repealed with the
Emergency Sewer Regulations included.
Conrad stated that he felt the moratorium was the most effective
way of handling the problem.
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zoning Ordinance Amendment Request, Natural Green, Inc.
Mertz summarized that Mr. Luse's contention basically is that he
fully disclosed the nature of his business to the Building
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Official and obtained a building permit to move into the prop-
erty, closed his purchase of the premises, proceeded with his
remodeling and opened his business on the location. The City's
contention is that the nature of the business was not fully
disclosed and that the Building Official did not understand the
nature of the business. He was under the impression that it was
a growing range as opposed to a landscaping business. The pur-
pose is to reconsider whether or not there ought to be some
amendment to the ordinance to allow a landscape business on that
premises.
Waibel stated that the Planning Commission should make a recom-
mendation of one of the four following options;
1. Recommend denial of amending the R1A District provisions to
allow for landscaping contractors businesses.
2. Recommend denial of amending the R1A District provisions to
allow for landscaping contractors businesses but recommend
that the City and Natural Green enter into negotiations to establish
a stipulated agreement for Natural Green's operation subject
to final court determination.
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3. Recommend approval of amending the R1A District provisions to
allow for landscaping contractors businesses in accordance with
the attached proposed zoning ordinance amendment. (See attachment
1. )
4. Recommend the item to be tabled for further review in the
Planning Commission's zoning and Subdivision Ordinance revi-
sions process.
Option number 1 would have no impact on the current status of the case
and it would be rescheduled for trial.
Waibel also stated that;
1. There are unique circumstances involved in the Natural Green
Litigation;
2. There are potentially significant zoning enforcement ramifica-
tions in amending the R1A District provision at this time
without further study to include landscaping contractors
businesses;
3. Staff will be strongly recommending in the zoning and
Subdivision Ordinance revisions that only existing residen-
tial and public land uses have direct access onto arterial
roadways, a provision to which Natural Green can not prac-
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Therefore, staff recommends that the following motion be adopted;
The Planning Commission recommends that the City and Natural
Green enter into negotiations on a stipulated agreement to be
ultimately determined by the court and that the considerations of
said negotiations include the following suggested guidelines;
1. That Natural Green be permitted to continue its operation for
ten years from the date of adoption of the stipulated
agreement.
2. That Natural Green not enlarge, alter, or expand its use from
its present levels of operations.
3. That Natural Green construct a right turn lane and property
entrance as recommended in the letter from MNDOT Project
Manager, Evan Green, dated received Chanhassen Community
Development Department February 15, 1983.
4. That Natural Green provide the City with a determination from
MNDOT as to whether or not a left turn land and/or by pass
lane(s) should be constructed.
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5. That all vehicles and equipment used in the business,
excluding employees, be stored in the area north of the
existing barn on the property and be fully screened from view
of public roads and surrounding residences.
6. That sales of products on the premises are not made to the
general public.
7. That all non-natural matter or material stored within 350
feet of a public road or existing residences shall be
screened from public view by a compact hedge or other opaque
natural growth or within a fence made of natural material of
a natural earthtone color.
8. That business identification signage is not to exceed 12
square feet in area.
9. That the site is to be posted "No Public Sales".
David Luse stated that he would have no problems with all of the
recommendations except items 1, 3, 4, and 5. with item 1 he
hoped that this would be a permanent situation. Items 3 and 4,
he stated that he had no idea what kind of costs would be
involved and item 5 because of the marsh type land in back, it
would need not just a couple of inches of gravel, but a couple of
feet, which would be costly.
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John Hennessy stated that he had a hard time seeing why ten years
is recommended in this case and not in the case of the driving
range located about 500 yards down the road.
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Albee moved, seconded by Ryan to close the public hearing, vote
in favor, J. Thompson, Albee, Merz, Conrad, Ryan and Noziska.
Naye, M. Thompson. Motion carried.
M. Thompson stated that he wanted to keep the pulbic Hearing open
for additional information being submitted, not only written but
oral.
Albee moved, seconded by Noziska, to table the item until we
receive more information from Mr. Luse about the highway
situation, his vehicle storage screening and the costs that he
may incur, within a 3 month time period. Vote in favor, Merz,
Albee, Conrad, Ryan, Noziska, and M. Thompson. Naye, J.
Thompson. Motion carries.
J. Thompson stated that the City Council could go ahead without
the Planning Commission. He would recommend that the City
Council negotiate with Natural Green using the suggested items as
a guideline. He did not see why it had to come back to the
Planning Commission.
Conditional Use Permit Request for Installation of a Washout
System, Apple Valley Red-E-Mix
Waibel stated that Apple Valley is requesting non-conforming use
permit approval to construct a cement production washout system
at the Apple Valley facility on West 78th Street. Also a con-
ditional use permit is required by Ordinance 47A for development
on properties zoned Central Business District. Also a variance
is required to the provisions of Section 20.02 of Ordinance 47 to
alter a non-conforming use.
The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency has responded that they
have very little information on this type of facility, however it
appears to them that this proposed system has net positive
effects through the reduction of water use, reduction of product
loss, and reduction of the solid waste load.
Waibel stated that from a site design standpoint, staff sees no
problem in the installation of the washout system as proposed.
M. Thompson moved, seconded by Merz, that the Planning Commission
adopt the following staff recommendation for Planning Case 82-4
Conditional Use Permit.
The Planning Commission recommends that the City Council approve
the issuance of a Conditional Use Permit and a non-conforming use
permit for the installation of a washout system at the Chanhassen
Apple Valley Red-E-Mix facility in accordance with the site plans
marked Official Copy Planning Case 82-4 Conditional Use Permit
dated received October 18, 1982, Chanhassen Community Development
Department with the requirement that the applicant agree to and
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execute a conditional use permit containing the following
conditions;
1. That Apple Valley Inc. will immediately, upon the execution
of the conditional use permit, install at its Chanhassen
plant and at its own expense, a washout system, which
installation shall be in accordance with the detailed plans
and specifications as presented in Planning Case 82-4
Conditional Use Permit and as approved by the City Engineer.
2. That Apple Valley Inc. agrees that it shall terminate the
non-conforming use of its property located at 201 West 78th
Street no later than July 1, 1992, in accordance with Section
20.01 of Ordinance 47 and furthermore shall not claim compen-
sation from the City of Chanhassen for the investment costs
of the washout system and appurtenances thereto in the ter-
mination of the use either through public acquisition or
through the provisions of said Section 20.01 of Ordinance 47.
3. That Apple Valley Inc. obtain any necessary discharge permits
for the washout system from the Minnesota Pollution Control
Agency and/or Metropolitan Waste Control Commission.
4. That Apple Valley Inc. fill in the existing washout pit on
the property to existing grade utilizing clean fill.
5. That the washout system have compliance to the performance
standards for noises as contained in Ordinance 471.
Vote in favor, J. Thompson, Merz, Conrad, Ryan, Noziska, M.
Thompson. Naye, Albee. Motion carries.
Albee stated she has concerns about our ability to enforce the
non-confroming use provisions of Ordinance 47, the sewer
assessments, and she is not satisfied with the amount of informa-
tion given by the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency and not
convinced that it will not become a pollution problem.
The meeting adjourned at 11:05 p.m.