1993 01 21CH~NHASSEN HOUSING AND
REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
REGULAR MEETING
3ANUARY 21, 1993
Chalrman Bohn called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mike Mason, Don Chmiel, Gary Boyle, 3im Bohn and Charlie
Robbing arrived late to the meeting.
STAFF PRESENT= Don Ashworth, Executive Director; and Todd Gerhardt, Asst.
Executive Director
APPOINTMENT OF NEW CH~IR:
Chmiel: Being that Jim Bohn has been Vice Chair, I would nominate him as
Chair.
Mason: I'll second that. Seeing that Charlie's not here, I'll nominate
Charlie for Vice Chair.
Bohn: I'll second that.
Boyle: How was Char lie as Secretary? Is that his expertise maybe rather
than Vice Chair?
Chmiel: I don't think so...
Boyle: Then I'll nominate Mike for Secretary.
Chmiel: I'd second that.
Bohn: We've had motions for Chairman, Vice Chair and Secretary.
Chmiel moved, Mason seconded to appoint 3tm Bohn as Chairman of the Housing
and Redevelopment Authority for 1993. All voted in favor and the motion
carried.
Mason moved, Bohn seconded to appoint Charlte Robbing as Vice Chairman of
the Housing and Redevelopment ~uthority for I993. All voted in favor and
the motion carried.
Boyle moved, Chmiel seconded to appoint Mike Mason as Secretary of the
Housing and Redevelopment Authority for 1993. All voted in favor and the
motion carried.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Chmiel: I'd like to make a correction to the Minutes. As indicated I was
absent. I was at the meeting but I did leave early.
Mason: I can attest to that. With that correction, I'd like to move the
December lO Minutes.
Chmiel: I'll second it.
Mason moved, Chmiel seconded to approve the Minutes of the Housing and
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Redevelopment Authority meeting dated December 10, 1992 as amended Mayor
Chmiel stating that he was present at the meeting but left early. All
voted in favor and the motion carried.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None.
PRESENTATION BY HAMMEL. GREEN AND ABRAHAM~a3q REGARDING THE: CHANHASSEN
CONFEReNCe/COMMUNiTY CENTER.
Gerhardt: Mr. Chairman, Kurt Green from Hammel, Green and Abrahamson is
here tonight to present his findings on three concepts for the
entertainment conference center for what is the backside of the Dinner
Theatre, east of the bowling center, warehouse area. And Kurt Green is
here tonight to make that presentation.
Curt Green: I want to thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here
and starting on a very challenging and hopefully rewarding project for the
City of Chanhassen. When we start a project we always believe that the
first thing to do is to find out what that building or that plan is to
contain. Who it is to serve and from those general requirements and
listing of requirements we can then establish some guiding factors for
establishing blocks of buildings so to say as we apply it to the site that
we're concerned with. You have in front of you the program material which
I'd like to go through quite briefly and explain what we visualize the
project to contain after discussions with the staff of the city and having
held meetings with Herb 81oomberg and Clayton Johnson. Talking about the
convention meeting center first. We have a series of meeting rooms and the
primary space within the meeting center is an auditorium exhibition space.
We have derived from previous information about the project that has been
compiled by others that it should contain about $00 seats...facilities that
has a projection control room and the usual follow spots and requirements
for acoustical adjustment. Then serving that auditorium space we have the
tools and storage of the backstage area. The chair and table storage so
that you can have various kinds of activities within the space. You can
have anything from a demonstration of motor vehicles to having a brief
concert or some kind of concert or play in there. $o it's really a multi
purpose room. Then we have the lobby, the coat room, toilets, and then the
other meeting rooms of which there are three. One at 600 square feet,
which will hold about 48 people in a setting similar to this. Or a
conference type that would probably seat 20-2S people very comfortably.
Then two at 300 square feet. Some food could be catered into this area so
we have a servery and then some concessions which will be for intermissions
and so on. And if you have a show for more or less the convention Or
dismlay purposes, that concession could be serving that area as well. The
factors applied to this are factors to adjust from' the net area to the
gross area and then to which we add a certain factor for the mechanical and
electrical. This would be true of all the categories which we have listed
here. Category 200 is the provisions for an entertainment center, retail.
It's the 3 theaters and all of the necessary spaces that go along with 3
movie theaters and we call that the cinema. Category 300 is the recreation
center which is on the next page. Page 2. We start with a divisible gym.
We establish the size of that gym at 7S x 100 which will accommodate a $0 x
84 basketball court in the long dimension. That's the typical court size
for a high school, and we assume that that would be necessary for, or
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adequate for this community center. That leaves us 50. You have 25 feet.
You have 12 1/2 feet on each side or roughly ~8 feet on one side and 6 or
so on the other and you could have seating along one side if you desire.
You can split the room into two gyms and have volleyball in the opposite
directions or basketball practice and so on with the other four baskets
along the side wall. $o that we add the support spaces again. The
equipment storage, lounge, lobby, and coming into the recreation center we
visualize a control desk, much as you would have at a racquet club. Rs an
example Northwest Racquet Club. $o when you come into a place where they
check you in and adjacent to that would be a shop which they could sell
balls and various paraphernalia that would be appropriate for the users of
the recreation center. Then there's an office. Then we have the outer
lobby and coats and vestibule. Then we have provided an eighth mile, 9
foot wide running track which would be elevated. Up on the upper level of
the gym. Go around the gym and beyond. It goes, as you'll be able to see
on these plans but anyway that would be a ~/8 mile running track, about 9
feet wide. Four racquetball courts. A fitness and exercise area. Some
lockers and showers. A juice snack bar with tables. Two classrooms.
swimming pool that's roughly 40 feet wide with perhaps 5 lanes and a ramp
for handicap access to the pool. A small wading pool and then the deck
area which would surround the pool for getting into the pool as well as
being seated in lounge chairs or beach chairs or whatever might be around
the pool. A first aid room, lifeguard and the usual filter, heater,
chemical storage and custodial. Other parts of the project under category
400 we have some corridors and refurbishing of the bowling center, which we
mentioned here and a rebuilding or remodeling of what is now Filly's but
converted to a different type of space which would be primarily support
space for the bowling alley. Rebuilding the nursery, child care area and
then allowing something for sheltered walks and canopies in the gazebo and
so on. So adding these areas up we have a gross area of about 88,750
square feet. For our purposes of planning, this basically is what we have
looked at as a public sector. Public project. It's all inclusive. Now
whether you go into the movie theater construction or just what. you do with
all those things is something which is yet to be determined but at the
moment in our consideration for planning purposes, we have considered it as
a public development which could be franchised or leased out. Private
development would include the scene shop and we've arrived at a two story.
One story and basement building of roughly 5,800 square feet there and then
if'we allow something for our restaurant, that would be somewhere around
2,600 or 2,700 square feet. Hotel expansion as we have from Herb
Bloomberg's plans arrived at a 80 x 112 floorplate that would be in
addition to the hotel. According to his general plans at this point. And
then we had discussed specialty shops or retail space but there's a great
deal of uncertainty about the possibility of retail space in this center so
that we've left that as an x but there is a possibility that perhaps some
retail space could be built and currently occupied or initially occupied by
the library. And it was established that the library has about 3,500
square feet at the present time and that if they were to grow into 8,500
square feet, that that would satisfy them for a number of years. So that
is sort of the program that we established as our working tool from which
we took blocks of space and applied them to the site. The initial work
which we did was to develop 3 plans. I don't know if it's necessary to
show you those 3 plans but there were 3. The first plan was similar to
what our original presentation was to you when we were soliciting for the
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commission. It had the recreation center on the east side and the
convention center on the west side o~ this mall or this sort of circular
drive which we had coming in. 'So we developed that. Then we had a scheme
where we stacked one on top of the other. The community center was on top
of the recreation center, all on the west side of the entrance from the
lower level. Scheme C was sort of a combination. Of that we had the
meeting center on the second floor and the recreation center'on the lower
floor with a library put in on the lower level which became a major feature
of that particular plan. Our second submittal of those plans is similar to
the first three which we submitted. There was sort of a refinement of our
original concepts. We had a meeting last Friday with Mr. B!oomberg and
Clayton 3ohnson and the Mayor was there along with Don Ashworth and others.
We came away with the feeling that the potential for retail space was
minimal. That the most that could be probably.5,000 to 6,000 square feet
and there was some uncertainty about that. The other objective was to
place the library up on the upper level so we have followed that
recommendation. The restaurant, which we had shown as an addition to, or I
should say in a location which could be served by the present kitchen of
this complex, the Bloomberg complex, we have discovered with Clayton's
advice here that that has to be almost a free standing or in a very
conspicuous location on the site for simply exposure and commercial
reasons. So that has been relocated from the original plans. I'd like to,
if I may go through those plans, unless you bare some questions regarding
the program which we could talk about now.
Robbins: Yeah, a question. These are more of an observational questions.
In terms of the, it appears to me that you have b~sically 1/4 of your space
then devoted to a convention center totally?
Curt Green: Yes.
Robbins: The way it looks. Secondly.
Curt Green: Oh, it's more than that.
Robbins: Well it says 22,000 to basically 88,000 so that tells me it's 1/4
of the space.
Curt Green: Well it's 42,000. It's roughly half.
Robbins: What I'm looking at is just the convention center, meeting area.
Curt Green: Oh convention center. I 'm sorry, I thought you said
recreation. I'm sorry.
Robbins: The convention center to the total.
Curt Green: You are right. Yes.
Robbins: Secondly, with the recreation center, is there any shall we say
any for lack of words, space interchange so if in fact that we looked at
doing an ice arena or doing more racquetball, etc. we could trade off space
for the convention center? Is there any way to work that in? Meaning are
we looking at a confined area or is this the first shot at the deal?
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'Curt Green: I think that if you're talking about an ice arena, that's a
major space and that would be tough to place on that site.
RobbinG: ...question. Since I was involved before with the convention
center planning before here, and we had an ice arena planned before and it
did fit into the space.
Curt Green: With as much?
Robbins: Yes it did.
Curt Green: Oh it did.
RobbinG: So I was just looking at it in terms of the trade-offs. In terms
of do you take one from the other in terms of, if we wanted more space'for
recreation, is that going to cut into the convention or what's the
trade-off?
Curt Green: Well, the question is, do you need this amount of convention
space.
RobbinG: That's the question, yes.
Curt Green: And if you do need it, then this is it. If you .don't need it,
then it's a lesser amount. If you want to add to the recreation space,
that's easily done and certainly we could explore all the possibilities
that would go with adjusting those figures.
Robbins: Is there anything within the building that needs to be done
mechanically of a major change to make changes?
curt Green: Well sir, we're just in the process of putting very
preliminary things down so at this point in time anything's possible. It's
just a question of having someone tell us what they want and then we can go
about putting it in there. So that's, it's as simple as that. And we'd be
delighted to work with anyone, with you or anyone who wants to give us
further input on that.
Boyle: Curt, as this is laid out now with your convention center on the
upper level and your recreational center below, you could add to the
recreational center as much units as it would need and the only thing you'd
be missing maybe is parking.
Curt Green: Well that's the point yeah. We have 1,000 cars parked on the
property and that's taken from the previous study and we're using similar
ratios of parking from the previous study that Hoisington did. And if
there's an adjustment in the parking requirements, that's another thing
that we bare to be concerned about.
Bohn: I think to put an ice arena in there you'd probably have to put a
ramp in. Parking ramp in.
Curt Green: Yeah, because that's going to generate additional parking
requirements. Substantial parking requirements.
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Gerhardt: I guess we were living with our means in last summer's review of
this when we had the architect from Stillwater and Fred Hoisington. And at
that time we weren't proposing an ice rink. We're trying to live within a
budget means in this and at that time we talked about a conference center
and the community center element and Todd has done extensive programming of
this ~acilit¥ and what his needs would be to operate it to meet his needs
and operations right now. And of course the biggest one would be the
gymnasium space, and also utilizing the space within the conference center.
He could do programming out of there as another alternative to gym space
when conferences weren't scheduled or that you would schedule around
conference times. That was the direction that we gave Hammel-Sreen in
putting these renderings together. But again these are preliminary. If
you guys want to look at ice arenas, I guess we need to know that because
that will substantially change the budget and how we're looking at laying
out this area.
Chmiel: Why don't you just give a quote as to what budget we're looking
at.
Gerhardt: Well right now, Curt handed out, or Dick handed out some
estimates on the convention center and entertainment. I don't want to take
Curt's fire here but if you'd want Dick to go through some of those
figures. Again they're preliminary and I think he gave a low and a high
and a medium.
Curt Green: Would 'you like to have a quick run through of the plan so you
know a little bit more about what we're talking about and then talk about
figures?
Chmiel: Yeah. I think that's a little better idea.
Curt Green: Let's start at the upper level because we're talking about
coming off of 78th Street there and we can then go down to the lower level
which...development of the lower level. As you know, our original concept
was to have an entrance off of 7$th Street as well as an entrance off of
Pauly Drive here and exposure to the Highway 5 area. So what we have is,
on the upper level we have a library space in here which can be classified
as retail space in the future or continue as library space and expanded
into a small amount of retail space here. The thought was of specialty
shops serving the hotel...and perhaps those who come to the Dinner Theatre
as well as a few people coming off the street into the city center here
could use and support a small amount of retail space. The purple here is
the hotel addition. This is the existing hotel and the addition is located
that way. Connecting all of this is a major corridor space. That was...
which I think we talked about some time ago. As we come in we have an
entrance space here that you can come out and look over the yard below.
And you come over this way to the bowling center which is retained, and we
haven't even talked about these spaces on the lower level because they
really function off the lower level. This is existing warehouse space.
Now, getting into the recreation center and meeting center. We have on the
upper level we have the auditorium and stage at this point with receiving
coming off of the service...to the service the theatre and the furniture
store. Receiving coming in. The stage, the auditorium and then the lobby
out here with some coats and toilet rooms and so on in front of that. See
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this block of deeper purple here is meeting and convention center. On the
upper level, in the recreation center we have the running track which
surrounds the gym, which is this area below and the gym would be 2 stories
high. The lobby down below is 2 stories'high. Then we have the 4 racquet
ball courts with a viewing corridor coming across the back side of that.
And the swimming pool is on the south end for sunlight and so on and that's
on the lower level. This is the scene shop. Now what we have here is
parking that goes all the way across. You park and you walk this way.
Come in a walkway and come in the entrance. Well we get in the entrance on
either level. But we do have a major entrance coming in through the
existing cut in the curb and the entrances of the development off of that
facade of the new building at this point with a garden wall on each side
which separates this development and this development from the specific
entrance. So you have sort of landscaped enclosures as you come into that
space. Parking is retained basically as it is at the present time. Now as
you go down to the lower level, we have the entrance off of Pauly Drive
with the road coming in. Sort of the mall idea coming into the center of
the lower level with again a 2 story connection of stairways and so on and
elevators at this point so you can get from one level to the other.
have a corridor that comes down here off of this lower level and connects
to the bowling center so there'd be an entrance to the bowling center from
both the west and the east sides. They're not taking tickets or anything
like that so access from both sides would probably be-convenient. They
could come from other, come from recreational over here or the bowling
alley and go over to whatever they want. They can also get into the
theater. This is the cinema. This purple section here is the cinema and
the restaurant is down on the corner here where it has a maximum exposure
to the corner of Market Boulevard and Highway '5. It can be seen also from
the corner up here on 78th Street. So this is using existing construction.
Existing skeletal construction. In other words, just using the walls and
the structure but everything else beyond that is minimal.
Chmiel: What percentage would that be of the existing building?
Curt Green: We're taking off about 60 feet of the existing building. It's
80 feet wide and this would go down about 60 feet. On the lower level then
we'd have the recreational center facility primarily. You'd come into this
point. Come into the lobby down at this point where there's a check-in in
the office here. You have the 4 racquetball courts. The lockers here. You
can go in the locker room from the lobby space, change your clothes, come
out to the racquetball courts, go to the gym... So that you have access to
all of three major recreational spaces without going into the lobby. The
gym is in this location and it's accessible and if you want audiences to go
through or for spectators to come in...down this corridor. The swimming
pool is on the south side with window exposure and has a small wading pool
and so on... $o that basically is the...and yet provide openness...so it's
not a dull space but it has some excitement. .Visual excitement... What we
do accomplish with that is the screening of the service areas which are in
this location, which I think is one of the important parts a~d it brings in
a 3 story element into this location and with a 2 story element here, I
think we're going to get some balance so it isn't just going to be a big
hotel sitting 3 stories high and then everything is one'story. We're going
to have 2 story here to give it some additional height and massing... We
have some ideas about making this really a focal center and carrying some
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of the rural scene into the, I know this is very preliminary and this is
just trying to get some idea of something that might be like this. This
would be the gym back in here. This would be the.~.
(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
Dick: ...took off of our computer library of about five different types of
buildings we've built that had these functions in it. We also went to the
National Publication Means and Dodge to find their highs, lows and mediums.
Then I took Curt's program, Category 100, 200, 300 and 400 and priced those
out as the low, medium and high from what we found in our library and
National Publications. Then Curt called me today and asked me to throw in
the library for 8,500 within this pricing structure so it gives it a total
of 97,252 square feet instead of the 88,000 that's shown on the program.
Now what we've priced is strictly the program. Not per se the plan you
viewed tonight or any of the other plans. We priced the program space.
You can lay it out quite a few different ways and depending upon the
materials that are selected and the style of architecture selected, it can
either be in the low end or in the high end. In talking to Curt about
this, he's hoping it will be somewhere between the low and the medium. In
pricing these out, we get a total of $7.6 million on the low end, $8.9
million medium and $10.1 million on the high. .Then he asked me, what it
would cost to omit the swimming pool, and the swimmin~ pool has about 4,500
square feet between the pool, the wading pool, the space around it and the
mechanical space assigned to it. That is priced out low, medium and high
so you can either deduct about $344,000.00, $405,000.00 or $465,000.00.
But if you left the library and the pool off, on the low side you'd be just
about a million dollars. You'd be about $6.6 million. If you left the
library and the pool off the medium cost you'd be at about $8.7 million.
And if you left it off the high side, you'd be about $8.9 million. $o this
gives Curt something to play with and ourselves of how you want, from what
you want, how we can put them together to meet a budget. Any questions on
it?
Chmiel: Yeah. Just one that I had right off hand. The total of the
complex, we're just talking square footage? We're precluding anythinQ
that's necessary to be put into these facilties? Does this include
lockers?
Dick: It does not include what is considered FF&E, or furniture, fixtures
and equipment. Anything built in like lockers, casework, that type of
thing is included in the cost. We're not including, as we're pointing out,
show here the shelving in the library but any casework that would be in the
library would be part of the cost.
Chmiel: Any of the furniture contained within that facility would be in
addition to what we're looking now?
Dick: For the furniture but if you had building casework, building counter
for a library to receive and if you had a building workspace on the back
room, those casework would be included in the price.
Chmiel: Okay
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Bohn: Any other questions? Mike.
Mason: Not now.
Bohn: Charlie.
RobbinG: No.
Chmiel: What was our total dollars that we had looked at for expenditure
for a facility?
Gerhardt: I think we discussed around $3 million for the conference center
and approximately $5 million for the community center ' For some of the
preliminary numbers that we developed.
Ashworth: If I could. We had a plan originally created by-Hoisington and
that had combined some of the uses. It had the auditorium and...some of
the recreational elements and of course Hoisington is not a cost estimator
for buildings and again that's one of the reasons we brought in both
Mortenson and HGA. But they had that at like 3 1/2 million. That's what
we had estimated. With additional retail that would have been built
associated with that plan, and the additional increment that would be
generated, we were looking at a budget for a first phase of about $5
million. We really didn't talk that much about what would be the second
component because everyone kind of agreed that it'd be a few years down- the
line before you'd put in the swimming pool. Well, the swimming pool was in
the first phase. You'd be putting in the. gymnasiums and the rest of that
but I think it's fair to say that $3'to $4 million.
Chmiel: You know I was the one that brought up whether retail would be
acceptable or even needed within that facility but the more I think about
it, the more I'd like explained to me. By putting retail in, would any of
those costs be offset by whoever would go into that particular facility?
The dollar cost.
Ashworth: We had met earlier in the week. In fact a decision was made
approximately one week ago. Should we cancel tonight's meeting. Did Ne
have enough time to get this together to present something? And the
decision was, yes. We thought we could present some very initial thoughts
as they develop with some of the owners; I have not had an opportunity to
review the most current plan in front of you. One of my concern areas
would be, is there sufficient additional retail that's being generated to
support that additional $1.5 million? Again, that previous plan had an
initial position on our part of about $3 1/2 million but :[ :[/2 additional
private to bring us up to the 5. Now we're looking, and I don't know if we
broke it down in this fashion or not. Is a phasing type of a thing. But
whether or not we could realistically think of an 8 to 9 or potentially $10
million project. The HRA, Council have set a number of goals that they
wanted to accomplished. Library. Potential future senior housing. And
you had said back at that point, a recoginition that we had approximately
$10 million that would be generated and be excess dollars through the end
of the district. Through the year 2000. If we would take the full $, 9 or
$10 million solely for this project, then there would not be dollars
available for a library. For senior housing. For West 7$th Street
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detachment. For some of those other projects that we talked about. I see
tonight's meeting as one in which we're making a presentation. Trying to
get people to think about what you would like to see but I would really
like to take and go back with both the owners and see what type of
commitments that they would be willing to make and put together some
figures as to what that may generate in terms of additional revenues.
Okay. And then how this might be phased.
Chmiel: Yeah. That's one of my concerns too. How will we phase this and
how much would be spent in those given years until we reached the point of
what our proposed plan is. I'd like to see that.
Mason: I agree. Yeah, because I think there are, I know both Council
wants to see some other things with the monies available too.
8ohn: Does this call for a motion?
Chmiel: No.
Curt Green: I think Mr. Ashworth has indicated that again, this is sort of
a bringing you up to date as to what's been going on and kind of get your
general reaction. If there is another tact that we ought to take, the
sooner that tact or approach is known to us, the more efficient we can be
in terms of serving you and your interest. $o that's really what our
interest here is to kind of just get any kind of public or any kind of a
general reaction from you as the HRA and give us some guidance as to what
you see as what we should be doing.next. And Don has already suggested
he's to be talking to some other people about certain aspects of the
project.
Mason: It would seem to me before we can, I think what Don said is really
to the point and I think we need to hear from a bunch of other people
before we, and I agree with what's being said here. The sooner you get
direction the better it is for everyone but I think we need to hear what
other people have to say too and I think we also need to include Council
and Planning Commission and Park and Rec and the whole shooting match. 8ut
maybe we do need some sort of dollar figure first before we even attempt
that other stuff.
8oyle: I believe that's probably the next step as I see it.
Bohn: Has anyone talked to the people from the movie theater?
Gerhardt: I gave them plans for what is the Filly's area and they are
reviewing it to see the layout. And I haven't heard back from them in the
last couple of weeks.
Chmiel: Todd in discussions from what I had heard before, we're indicating
3 theaters. Is that what they're looking for or are they looking for 4?
Gerhardt: During discussions with Curt and Dick, they wanted, they were
looking at a variety of options and I think they were looking at a phase of
taking out the bowling center at the same time. They wanted the entire
complex and they realized that the height of the ceiling in the bowling
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center wouldn't allot for movie theaters in that area. $o that has cut
back their size of it.
Chmiel: Okay.
Bohn: Don?
Ashworth: If I could make.one point because I notice we do have a number
of people present. It has been some question as to hearings and input and
what not. I think it's important to emphasize that this past year we
identified the back section of the bowling center, the Dinner Theatre and
we recognized that we had completed a number of things within our downtown
area but this was probably one area that we hadn't paid much attention to.
And again we had a plan prepared by Hoisington that I felt if you bring in
people that understand construction and cost and architects, that what
we're going to end up with is a plan much, much different than what
Hoisington had presented. I think there was some major problems with
putting an escalator system over top of a swimming pool and interfusing
where people in 3 piece suits might be coming down a stairway where you
have a bunch of children running into a swimming pool. I guess my point
there is that we're in the very, very early stages of trying to take and
revisit that plan and to create a plan and accordingly we haven't had a
real opportunity to carry any plan back to any of the business people. So
they should not feel as though they have been left out. We're just
starting the process right now in terms of actually developing a plan. So
once we get an opportunity to show a plan like this potentially to the two
different groups that represent the cinema and to existing owners, to
operators such as the Dinner Theatre, and get their thoughts included in
some of these drawings, we then can start the hearing process and we can
then carry this back into the community and say, community what do you
think of it. And again, I wanted to kind of make that point because I'm
not sure that everyone here knows that we really are at the beginning of
the process.
Bohn: Thank you. So at our next meeting we'll probably have more of an
idea of what is going to be in the community center? Entertainment center.
Ashworth: I foresee our next meeting, and I'm sure this is the first time
that 3chh norsk, John's still out there, has seen this plan. I would hope
that by our next meeting that we can start getting some feedback from each
of the different owners and making you aware of that. How we might be able
to modify the plan to accommodate some things that they want to see, which
would also include the cinema people. ' We will work a little harder in
terms of what we're talking about for budget. What commitments we can get
out of the people in terms of what they will guarantee construction for.
And hopefully then also looking a little more at potential phasing of the
project and how that might occur.
Bohn: Thank you. Does anybody else have anything to say about the
.
community center/entertainment center? Questions. Would you come up to
the microphone please.
Paul Eidner: My name is Paul Eidner. I'm with Millie's Deli in Chanhassen
and my question is, obviously it looks like a complete rechanging of the
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area. Now I have an existing business in this area and I obviously have an
interest in having that business continue and to grow and I don't really
see anything in here that looks like it has anything to do, or that's going
to address that. So I guess my questions are, is that a fair question and
what is being done to plan for and to relocate old businesses? Whether
they're puttins in here or lookin~ at another area. Or compensating them
if they're not going to be able to fit in.
Ashworth: I would say the response is similar to what I had just stated.
We haven't had an opportunity to meet with any of the businesses. We
haven't had an opportunity to take and say to them, what do you think of
it. In fact one of the reasons that we did show the library space-in there
is a concern by the existing owner, Mr. Bloomberg as represented by Clayton
3ohnson, that putting in the amount of retail space that we have in this
plan, is going to be very difficult to do. As far as somebody coming up
with the dollars to actually guarantee that level of construction. And so
I honestly believe one of the reasons the library was shown was it did
represent an initial type of use during a timeframe when you've got a lot
of square footage out there that potentially people are looking to lease
out. The new bank area. You've got the new building going associated with
Medical Arts and there's quite a bit of additional retail in this building.
Bohn: Does that answer your question?
Paul Eidner: Nell...best he can.
Clayton 3ohnson: Maybe I should attempt to clarify a couple of things.
Paul, I hadn't seen this plan either so, up until now we had talked to Paul
on a preliminary basis about relocating him in the Animal Fair building and
to Paul's surprise and to my surprise, the Animal Fair building isn't here
in this plan but that was one thing. The other thir~ Don, I'd like to
clarify the comment on retail. Remember a year and a half ago when we
first came to this body with the redevelopment pla~ for the south side of
West 78th Street, I've got to remind you that that plan at that time
included convenience retail. In other words, we envisioned taking and
building convenience retail on the south side of West 78th Street that kind
of mirrors Town Square. Okay. I mean that was our plan. But the minute
you introduce some of these other elements in here, we're concerned that
you're going to be taking parking and making the parking very restrictive
in that area and therefore it's going to be difficult to support
convenience type retail. The retail that will fit in the development like
this, where you're adjoining the hotel and the Dinner Theatre is real
specialty retail. Small shops selling specialty goods. And I guess our
comment is, we already have 15,000 square feet of that space currently
existing in the form of the current furniture store. So how much can you
lease? Well, we've got 15,000 square feet right there already to lease,
and we do have concerns that with the parking that would be taken in any
one of these plans, that we could develop a significant amount of
additional retail. Any other questions?
Bohn: Thank you. Any more questions? With that we will go onto our next
-item. Thank you sir.
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ESTABLISH 1993 MEETING DATES,
Gerhardt: Included in your packet you'll find a list of meeting dates for
our 1993 meeting schedule. Indicated by circles will be City Council
meetings. Those Thursday nights highlighted with boxes are scheduled HRA
meetings. We tried to stay as consistent as we could meeting every third
Thursday of the month. However, you've also said that you do not want to
have HRA meetings the same week that City Council met. We tried to meet
that goal and shift it a few, such as in December and in April and June.
June and September were the other months that we are not having third
Thursday meetings. Staff would ask if there's any personal vacations
planned or anniversaries or holidays-that you would want to modify this
schedule tonight, now is the time to bring those up.
Mason: You mean you're asking me what I'm going to be doing next October
Todd?
Gerhardt: Sure. It's more of something to pin up against the wail.
Chmiel: I would so move that we approve the meeting schedule.
Mason: Second.
Chmiel: And if need of rearranging at times for other months that may
become a problem, that we post that accordingly and notification be given.
Chmiel moved, Mason seconded to approve the 1993 Housing and Redevelopment
Authority meeting schedule, and if there is any need to change a meeting
date, that notification be given. All voted in favor and the motion
carried.
REVIEW 1992 ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND 1993 GOALS.
Gerhardt: The second item under new business tonight would be to review-
the 1992 accomplishments and goals for 1993. I listed out a few of the
objectives that you've laid out for 1993 and also your accomplishments. If
I missed any, maybe we can discuss those and add to them or the timeframes
that I've laid out. If you want to see that be more aggressive or that
I've been too aggressive on that schedule. Maybe we can discuss that also.
These goals will be presented to the City Council at their February 6th
goal session meeting and like every year we will have a joint meeting
between the City Council and HRA. Last year we held that in March. It
looks like we may be holding to that schedule again this year. And it
would be the pizza meeting starting at about 5:30 again sometime in March.
Chmiel: One of the goals I see that I'm rather anxious to take hold is the
demolition of the Chanhassen Lawn and Sports building. I see it's
scheduled for February. I know that 3anuary's still here.
Mason: You've got a week left.
Chmiel: And I 'm sure that Bernie's got everything out of there by now.
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Gerhardt: Yeah. Bernie had paid me rent for January. I've got a phone
call into him. He's still busy getting organized so nobody wants to see
that building down more than myself and we'll move on that one as quickly
as possible. Again, I'm trying to work it out to have city crews to take
that building down and if not, then we might have to go to the formal bid
process and that would take us probably until the later part of February to
get it down if we were to go that route. But Mike told me that he can do
it but.
Mason: Give me a couple of sledge hammers and I'll get a crew out there.
Chmiel: That thing's built like a Fort Knox.
Mason: What's going on with the cement plant?
Gerhardt: We should be, there should be a commissioners hearing here, I
want to say sometime in February-March to start going through the hearings.
I know the appraisals have been completed and it's just a matter of getting
on the doctrine.
Bohn: The Bernie Hanson's building, now we're going to be selling the
temporary building that we paid for and put up and the trailer that we
bought?
Gerhardt: You got a draft of an ad that would be going into the paper
soliciting bids. Closed bids for the acquisition to remove all that from
offsite. Bernie has shown interest. A few other residents in the
community have called me and asked about it. The word's out that that
building has been put together with screws and could be dissembled. Taken
apart fairly easy. You would lose probably the particular board on the
outside but the...would the equity in the building and those are fairly
expensive.
Boyle: Jim, what was the question again? I'm sorry.
Bohn: The HRA has paid for a temporary building to put up next door to
Bernie's for storage. A trailer.
Chmiel: Put it up for bids.
Gerhardt: Yeah, that's what we're planning on.
RobbinG: Todd, where on here, unless I'm missing something, in terms of
Copeland wants to build Phase II of their office space next to the Medical.
Where does that tie into this?
Gerhardt: Good one. I forgot that. That would be.
RobbinG: Item
Gerhardt: Sure. We will have to have a closing on that piece so that is a
lot of record. We would have to set up a closing and a sale on that and I
should schedule for your next meeting, they have gone through the City
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Council. They do have site plan approval and it's just a matter of selling
the lot and then drawing on it.
Robbins: Because they're anxious to start construction.
Chmiel: Yeah. That could be part of 7 as demolition of that building with
that located right in there rather than going to
Gerhardt: From what Mr. Copeland told me, he was looking at as soon as
road restrictions went off, he would activate his crew.
Bohn: How far back from the road, from the street is that addition going
to be?
Gerhardt: It should match up exactly with the Medical Arts building.
Chmiel: Same setback. Because the parking spaces that are there now.
Bohn: The setback, now we bought 13 feet from the front of that building
before that building was constructed so they would have more parking space
in the back and they would buy that land from the apartment building
people. So we would have, we bought and paid for 13 feet of the front of
that building so we could widen the street or'put a curb.
Gerhardt: Right turn lane. Yep.
Bohn: Now is that still going to be possible?
Gerhardt: With the West 7$tH Street detachment project, we have added
additional lane widening through that entire stretch down there. And the
installation of a right turn lane in that area. Once 8ernie's building
would be out of there. It's a shared driveway between what would be the
new building that would be constructed and the existing Medical building.
What Jim's talking about is a right turn lane that would be installed just
up from the clock tower.
Bohn: Is the street going to be two lanes going west? In that area.
Gerhardt: Not really two lanes. We're just adding 4 feet right?
Ashworth: You'd have to take a look at the plan. There was a primary
emphasis in terms of attempting to widen the street as it would deal
especially with emergency vehicles. So for let's say fire trucks leaving
the station will have the expanded lanes in both directions both west of
Laredo as well as to the east. As the fire truck would return, you'd make
certain trade-offs. Do you want to lose literally all of the landscaping
on the north side of the street to put in that additional lane. And
Commissioner Mason and I had an opportunity to go out and look at each of
the changes and my recollection is it's down by the clock tower. There's
an additional lane going in and that lane will go down to what would be the
turn in for the, between the two buildings. But then it would narrow back
up again so that we could leave that one stretch of landscaping in place...
(Taping of the meeting ended at this point.)
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APPROVAL OF BILLS:
ChmieI moved, Meson seconded to approve the Housin~ and Redevelopment
Authority biIIs as presented. AII voted in favor and the motion carried.
ChmieI moved, M~son seconded to ad3outn the meeting. AII voted in favor
and the motion ca~?ied. The meeting was adjourned.
Submitted by Don Ashworth
Executive Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim