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CHANHASSEN SENIOR COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
DECEMBER 13,1991
.. C ha i r woma n Montgomery r 11 ed the !l\eeti ns to or qer at 9: 30
MEMBERS PRESENT: Barbal,ra Montgomery ~ Betty 8ragg,Sherol Howard~8ey.nice
8~llison.~ Selda Heinl.in, and Jane Kubitz
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STAFF PRESENT = paul K~auss, Planning Directo~; and
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APPROVAL OF AGENDA: iC~lairWOmaIT Montgomery approved the agenda as
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APPROVALOFMINUTEs=dhairwoman Montgomery' noted approval of the Minutes
of the Senior Commissi6n dated November 15~ 1991 as amended by Sherol
Howa.rd... .Ch.an.gingth.e wo.rrl'.d IIar.,.t" to "AARpi' on. page 15. All voted in favor
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SENIOR CENTER DISCUSSI'N WITH,EOSARCHITECTS.
Montgomery: The' firstJltemtodaYWil1 be the Senior Center
EOS Architects. Nick iueh1 is '. here.
Krauss: If I could gite a Ii ttle,bit of introduction. Just by way of
._ updating. 1 think thef' last time \ that we met we were wor ki ngtogetsome
~ concepts through on thSenior Center. We needed to get autho~ization from
the,H..o.L,I,s.ing ,a. nd. R,.edeve,.opm.en.t Autho..rity" a.nd fr..,o..m..the CityCounci.l....t..o.r.etain
an architect. rthink Sharmin brought you SQme .of the materials that we
received. We had 5 sulbmi ttals. We selected EOS Architects. EOShasa '
longhistary of workin~ with the City ona number of projects~including
some of, theprcijects a~' oundCity Hall. I'm in the process of finalizing
the cont.ract language ow. I have author izationto enter into i tand We ~ve
stressed to EOS that.t is is something that we'd l'i,keta get done quickly
so we can get under co struction quickly.. Nick Ruehl is one of the
pr! nciples in th~ comphny. He could not be here today. 8urt Haglund is
going to be an'the proUectarchitectsu- Burt is here tQday. I think he can
i ntraduce himself and .~tart asking YQU some questions so we can start
defining that project .nd he can hQpefully get tQ work on doing some plans .
With that I~ll turn it over t08urt.
Burt Haglund: GOOdmO~ning. As paui mentioned. my name is Burt Haglund.
I happen to also be on~Qf the parthers atEOS Architecture. . And as
such, I have a lQng hilstQry with the film and have been a partner since
1982 so I've beeni nvo,l ved in most all .of thewor k that's. being done in the
office a.n..d. '.have m.Yself.1 had some. ~xpe.rie~(.~.'e. w,e worke.d withth..e. .Exc.elsior. '
SeniQr tenter back in the early 80's. What I'd like to do this morning is
first of all of coursel, I just came. to get familiar withYQU and introduced
to you. I~m a new player here with you and I know that youhaveanQther
ne~ player~ JudYColb~that:s going tQbe introduced this morning and $s.
I unders,tand i t~ we 'r6goi ng to have a working relationship with a number
'. of different people Q~ this, project and we're 'excited abQut,dQing this.
.. l,t ~.s fun ta kind of b~li ng togethe,r awh.ole host..of issues, 8 wh.olehost of
needs from a lot of P1aPle to make. somethi ng wor k. In say! ng that~ 1,'d
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like to mention that one of the things that we would like to do at.the
outset 18 to define a drocess.Away of keeping all of the people 'who need
to be involved in commJnicationandinvolvedto the extent that they need
to be so as we move ah~ad with the planning and~aking decisions and
reviewing progress~th~t we're including everybody that needs to be so it
can beasmooth forwarq process and that we' don't have distant starts with
it. So that's one of ~he main things I'd like to try and. discuss this .
morn...ingandget a fe.e.l. .Ifor'how.. we best do that. So that's one Of.........rn.y thi.n9s
on my agenda. Another is that I, know that you have had som~ preliminary
concept planning dorie dlready. There are~I'~ sure that you're ~ware that
there are some issues ~hat have:be~n discussed about the op~ortunities and
some, ,of the Limitation# about the space that you're going to be ,moving
into. I'd;like to jus~ touch on those and get a better sense myself of
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.wherethoseissues lie land how we move ahead with th.ose; So those are the
two main. thi ngs I'd I i ~e tot ry toaccompl ishwi th you this m.orning, .or, at
least get some direction on. So I think first of all r'd like to first .of
all ask if you have an~ question~ of me. Otherwise I'll go right into
trying to discuss my f~rstagenda which is the wor~ing relationships.
Montgomery: Anyone halleq~estions for him?
8rag~: No. I wish yo~ would go r~ghtahead and tell
~:~t H~glund: Well +Jet of ~ll there will be a number of actors here
involved in this .Of course.there 'sEOS as the architect .We wilL have
our engineers be workihgthe mechanical and electrical engineers working.
However we ' 11 coor.dinate all of that and that i nterfacewill be our
responsibility. Howev~' r, ~rom theowner~s side or the City'S8ide of
course pa... ulisa very. entral figure. You as a comm. 1.ss10n.. TheHRAneeds
some involvement in th t they're involved in the funding and we want to
make sure that that bO~y is kept informed. Judy of course from Senior
Community Services andlseeing.that her input of course and proposed ,wo'rk'
with you is part of th~t as well. So what I would ~uggestis that we. first;
of all need to. know i~l~t~at from the Senior COfflmissionstandpoint!,if all
of you wou~d Ilket:>.br Involve0 as we go through. the I?rocess step by step
of the desIgn. Coml ng,.. toa .desIgn or would you 11 ke, 1 n the case of a
representative one or ,~ore that can be available because this is going to
take a little bit ofelxtra time to be involved in kind of the day today ,
week to week I ~hould really say~review and update where we are on the
planning. That would beo~e thing. How you feel you are best represented.
8ragg: I think a subaommi ttee is the most effective way . I think that the
Commission i tsel f woulld Ii ke to hear reports monthly.
Montgomery:. We do haJe a subcommittee now that is working on the center
issues and that is wi~hBil1isonand with Jane and with Selda right? those
3 . h9.v.e '.b.een the. grOupltha.t .is ..su. .pp.ose.d to b~ coordl.- nati ngwi th _0. th.e..r.........s..e. nlor
center plans. So per~aps you could be workIng, you'rethechal'rmanof.that
group right? . Then pe~haps you could be the link b'etween us a'11 ~.vjould
that be alright with xou?
e . 8urt Haglund: Yeah. that would be fine. So that would be Mrs., 8111ison?
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On gomery: ' a_s rl~ ' 1 lson.
Burt Haglund: Okay. .1nd tben the other two would be?
Selda Hei11e1n and Jane.
Montgomery; T h::1:: 1 :J: e:::: . ba: :a:~ Well good ,that.
then from the rest of s but at least
Burt Ha~lul1d: 'we'llbJ working on a daily basis very closely
Krauss of course and I lexpectalsowith Judy Colby along with you. I will
no doub~work, with Paul on how to b.st keep the HRA involved but I would
suggest that as we 100R ahead to the next time, that you 'sit and have kind'
o. f a w..9rk.in9 meeting bJ.ca0se......wo.rki.ng 9. roup to do the. Pl.anning de.,s.i..g.n... of
it. Is that we take allookat having a meeting next week and I would
sugg.est thatF..erha.ps n.,'..xt Fr,idaYb.e. fore the Christmas hOli,day. to.Sit down
and have, a working sesion and go through ~ome of the details.
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Montgomery: Would youilikeus to establish that now whether that's a time
that would be satisfactory? .
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Burt Haglund: That WO~ld be great. If' we can set something up.
Krauss: Well, it so~n~s like a feeble excuse, but next Friday
Christmas Party. NObOry'S going to b~ here.
Montgomery: Sounds lilke a very good reason Paul.
Burt Haglund: We can rlso'do it on Wednesday.
Hei~lein: Ii's okay w~th me.
Montgomery: Is wedneslday alright with you?
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Bl lson: Soun s goo: r 19t now.
Burt Haglund: Let me ~ake a ~ook at my calender.
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Montgomery:' Okay, th1 18th. ,
Krauss: If I could' m~"ke a s~ggestion here. too and
want us best to handl it but' X know we have Selda with the Chanhassen
Senior ciroup but Idite11 Oscar that we would bring him in atso~e stage
or he could appoint sdmebody. Would it be .lright if I gave him a calland
asked him if he want.ed to sit in on this?
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He1n1ein:He just will not. he just. completely almost ignor~s.me~
Krauss: Well if I neld to,I can meet with him separately and have
down and review ,the ptan" 'I just want to keep them following .along
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everyth'i ng so that whenl it's open.
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That's true.1 It should be so they know what's
t4on.tgomery:. .I.agreeth11at there should be a man's input.
input also into that.
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Kr.u.~; I'll ~ive os~r a call.
Heinlein: You mean I ~hould step out?
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Heinlein: We'll see how it works.
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BUrt Haglund: Okay, 110king at next Wednesday. I'm open.
be the best tIme frame. !
Heinlein: I!1~ Just c ear the date for myself.
This is Where/and at what time?
I'd prefer to meet here at City Hall.
Montgomery: Is there kpace?
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Krauss: We'll get you I a room.
Burt Haglund: Okay~ ~ow ~bout in the morning? If you'ye
meeting at 1:30 like ttis morning, we can set it for 9:30.
Montgomery: Do you h1ve the date? What date is that?
Burt Ha91und:Decembe( 18th.
Montgome~y: Okay~ And I'd like tasuggest too that any members of the
Commission who t<Jant td give a nyi nformation . or suggestions
members of ;the subcom ittee please do so before that time.
beat that meeting?
'Montgomery: Would yo~ 1 i keto be part of that too Judy?
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Burt Haglund:. Al righ~. Very good. I noticed from the. Minutes of your
last meeting aboutth. intent to having the Senior Center done for the
month of May which is I Senior Month. ....What I've done is a starti ngpoi ntfor
discussionis I put t~gethera preliminary project schedule just to trace
back from May back tolwhere we are today as a starting point and what the,
main steps are in thelpr~cessand how much time those might take. So what
I'd like to do is give you each a copy of that. This isa preliminary
sketch because it doekn'ttaken into account yet some critical dates that
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~e might have to meet ifn terms of the HRAmeeting and
meets and that sort of thing but it's just to get a start on trying to
understand what stepswre need to go through and what might be sometar.get
dates of completingcer1tainthings. If you notice the first item here is
called programming and it's shown I'm taking basically through, between now
and Christmas. This i~. really to get a gr ipon what are theactivi ties. . \
Wha.t.. ... a.r... e. ..t.h.. e.. th. i ngs.. th~... t..... ne.e...d...... to .b.e.ac...commod.. a~ed. i n t.~at. sp. ac..e s.'o. w..e.......h...a.ve.a
good common understand ng of that. And there1n 1S th1S reason to. have .a
meeti ng next wee k so wca nget a jump on that . O,ncewe have that, then we
can l-eally be serious about the design and trying tOljeally narrow our
sights and somealtern~tives to get to that: final plan. And that I see
taking about a 2 weekeriod so that by the 17th of January~ or .. .
approximately one mont I fl"Om today, we should have a design that should
really work with the n,eds. Then we need to produce the docu~ents which
are the drawings and specifications for construction for bidding and for
construction. That's $oi ng to take a perIod of time". Following that of
course the work needs io befbid and ~hen once a contract is ~warded~ the
construction. So I jUft laid this out to giye you some sense of the steps
that we're going to bejtaking. This needs to be refined. .. We need, Paul
find\out how this intetfaces like I say with the HRA and some other things
but this gives you a ff rst lun at it. .
MontgomelY: I have a ~uestion. I wonder if you could tell me wherefo~
instance the parkingptoblem or the entranceproblem,th~t sort of thing,
~it. h what othe. r a.ge.ncYfw..OUld yoU be concerned that, you meet with where that
sort of thing is conce ned. . .
Burt Haglund: Well ag~in, we're going to look to Paul to coordinat~ some
of that . t.Jho should b~involved with what kinds of issues. We know from
the out._set the HRA of .poursenee.ds to be involved. Beyond that I guess
we're going to follow paul's direction. . .
Krauss: Yeah, . a lot ol~ it Is an HRA question. Of course the Mayo,> and Tom
Workman.from the City pouncilsiton the HRA so there's a good connection
between the .two.We~,~ going to take the best Clack at resolving those
things that we can. .11 mean,the entrance is more an internal desIgn issue.
'-'Jhere that's going to be. How that's going to be~ That's somethingyou'll
have pretty direct inp1utover... The future parking situation, I don't think
we're going to have a ~60d answer on that one. The reason is it's really
contingent upon thatCiity Center Park proposal. The central park proposal
that I think you've s~en flY! ng a,ound.
Heinlein: When will Jhat decision be made?
Kr auss : I dbn' t k now.1 They loel'd some pub 1 i c he;' ri ngs . on it i n Oc~ober .
know the plans are be~ng further refined right now. I have met with the
architects on that and told them that, the designers and told them that if
we..hav. e. ours.e.niorce1.lter d.own. he.re.we.'re gO.ingto wan. t some. accommodatio.n
for parking. And theneisanotherlower level lot. This pa,king lot ,that
we have out here at t~elibrary level is going to be expanded . I'm ,afraid
it's probably notgoi~g toiget too much closer to the front door because
they ha0e an amphithedtre on that hill that they want to design in. But
they are aware of thai need and I'm hopeful that that's something that
they'll define in the! next few months and get some decision on it. I.
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'haven't heard of a construction date for that thing. I don'tthinkiit's
this next year so we 'r~ probably going to have to live with whatever It~e do
for) the senior center ~ndwhatever we have right .now. Now we can look at
doing things like, I mean we do have parking on both sides of, the street
an.d .~.)eca..n sig.n. thO." se ~lomeh.Ow ,.SO people that ne.ed c.loser proximity to...... the
door can get in there. . Maybe we can make a drop off area. We can do
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Montgomery: I think tHat's going to be a serious consideration. I was
wondering if we need t~ have any input into the park projector something
so there could be some comPT~mise.Is there ahy room for anything lik~ '
that? . ,
Okay.
I can find ouit..
There's a res}aurant onTH7 ~hat has not only handicapped parking
a few spaces marked'senior parking which could be done on the
A ifew senior parking 'slots.
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Krauss: Yeah, see tha kind ~f stuff, I mean it's a city street, we
whatever we want with hat. As long as that street's still there.
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t1ontgomery: Sorry but I think that's rather a, I just didn't know
you'd go with question . aboutth~t.
Burt'Haglund:Yeah,i/t!S an important issue. It's one of those like ~
said before, ther.e are oppontunities and there.are lim~tationsand.the
entrance to parklng an~ access, that's one so It'san Important thIng to
getcr~solved. As lond as We started on that, another is of course the.
toilets and r thinkthlere 's been some discussionvJhether to have them in
the space or provideaccess.tothe existing toilets out here in the
halllJ.Jay. Both o,f the Iplans have shown, you know the concept plans right
now.
Heinlein: That would be difficult. With the group we have now
some in wheel6hairs tnatcome regularly so we almost have to be
Montgomery: That per~aps you ~an take up when you meet. But that would be
a real consideration. 1
Burt Haglund: Well perhaps lt's best to le~ve
space and pro9ram to Jur meeting next week rather
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Krauss: I'm sorry, l~hadto Tun ups~airs and get my calendar.
set that meeting ih t~e morning. Is~here any chance of making
afternoon? . I've got like a triple conflict.
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Montgomery' Got anotter party Paul?
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Krauss: I ',m open all ~fternoon.
Ho!.'! about Y1U Beinice? Can you make it in
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KiSUSS: So something ]ike 1:30?
Billi~on: Sounds gIOOcdal
miss a soap opei8 for one day.
Bur-t Haglund: Okay, 1,30 it is. I think .fOi myself. that's about
'wa ntedto get out of 'ttilis morning's meeti rig. It' snice to be heie. It's
nicetowoik with you, II'm looking fOiwaid to this . This will bean
ex.citing PioJ."ect f.or allot o.f people, I 'mgoing to sit through. themorl'ling
so rhave a bettei sen~e of what some of ydur othei conceins,aie and the
i nt ioduction of Judy C<blby and so I'm just goi ng .to sit bac kin the cha.ii
a~d list~n fOi theiBst of the mOi~ing. '
MontgOmel"Y: Thanks sol much for coming and bi! ng1 ng' this along. I
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.MontgomeiY: Okay. Who
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Cathy McGraw: Diane sidI can start. I want to thank you ~or inviting ~e
to come and shaie withlyou., I. understand that you people aloe talking about .
'goals and impoitance o~tiansPoitation and Shaimin just said that possibly
I could share with YOUr some!ofthe seivices that we piovide as CART in
Chanhassen and then wej could tal klatei maybe a.bout how we can help further
meet your-goals . Caivier Aiea RUial Transit is a transportation prOgram
that's been in existence since 1969. Actually it's been under the
administration of Soci~lseivicas for .the past I think ribout 12 years: We
provide, there's two ~arts. Two actual aspects of the tianspoitation that
,we provide to the resilaents ofCarvei County. primaiily to the elderly and
handicapped., We have ibus seivice',' We have 7 buses. Well actual 1 Y 5 buses
a,nd2vansand ~l.Je havd paid bus drivers that di ive those buses. Our ioutes
consist of"we do ieg~lla:r adul tdaYCaie iuns throughout the County.Oui' .'
seivice piovides tian pOitation service to the entiie county. So we do .
, re~ulai, eveiY. day we do an adul t daycaie centei I"Un. We have sUPPoitive .
employment.iun fOi cl~ents of'Carvei County Social :services; We have local
shopping in the communities for the elderly in the county. We have a metio
shopping. iun once a mdnth whaie we pick up throughout the county. .We
Pio.vi.de transPoitatio~~ t. .0.. thiee O.f. .., t....h.e congiegate eli ning. site.s in ..diffei.ent
aleas and fOi senior enteis for the different senior centers thioughout
t.he county. We also .Iave all of OUi vehicles aie handicapped equipped so
we do, as much medical transportation for the. handicapped as we can fit into
OUi regulai ioute sei~ice. So t.hat bus seivice is available to anyone. . .
Ho~"'evei, OUiti ips ank designed aiOU nd serving the elderly and the
handicapped. 1n Chantassen spe~ifically we aie on the Visions newsletter'
comes out every othei month and they'ie distiibutedthioughout the. County
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at the senior centers Jnd we do have quite a large mailing list. Do most
::n::~m:::: th::. ViSionJ~? Have you ever seen it before?
Cathy McGraw: Okay. aybe I~ll mak~ sure that we can get this ~o the city
of Chanhassen and Shanrlin can make sure that you get our newsletter every,
other month. . :The last!page of the newsletter is our bus schedule. and that
tells where we're going and when and how to access the service. On Tuesday
morriing at lb:oo we pidk~p inChanhassen. Those who want to we take to
Cooper's grocery shopp~ng and then onto the Chaska congregate dining site
for lunch and then we bring you home with your groceries after lunch.
That's every Tuesday. JYOU access se~vice by calling Liz Miller at home and
then our bus driver ChJCkS in with Liz and picks up those who want to go.
Ate they ~icked up.at home?
CathY ~cGr~w: At homel yes. Andusu~lly we end up helping carrying
groceries too~1.Jhenwe t:hringthembackhome. That's .on Tuesday mornings .On
Thursdays we provide b~s service to the senior center ~ We pick UP ~well we
start in Chaska and thebnll-Jewor k our way through Chanhassen and for the
people who come on Thursdays to, the elementary. school . Our bus se.rvice is
for that. For those w~o can~tget there. in their vehicles. On the first
Tuesday of the month we have a run that goes into the metro area. We stop
at tneEden prairie Cehter. '.We stop at Southdaleand clowntownMinneapolis.
'We leave Chaska at S: 3? and we usually are back in Chaska againat3: 00 so
that's kind of like antall day and you get off wherever you would like to
spend your day shoppin~. That~s about the specific transportation that we
have on our regular ro~tes for our buses. We also have the volunteer
drE/er program. Are most of you familiar ~"ith the volunteer driVer program
that we have? You ,knorl I just can' tbel ieve it.. I think that ever"ybody
knows about it until I find out that they don ~t know about the volunteer
d..).'i....ver p.rogr.am.......ac..t..u. all~. ".un.ti.l.'. p.e. o..Ple. 8.C. t.ual..l..y ne.ed .th..e vo. .lun.t..e.er.../..d. ....ri...v....~..r.... .'.
· program and then they l.nd out so I~m really glad to be here to~xplalnto
you what we have avail bleto you. For your future needs ~e havevolu~teer
'drivers throughout thel county and it's primar ily for medical appointments,.
Forpeople~1.J~)o have nOr other way 'to get to thei r,medical! appoi ntments.
People~ volunteers dri~e their own vehicles. They come and pick you up and
take you to your m~dic~lappointment. They wait for you and then th~y
b...ring......you. home... .... Thi.S... ~1.x.Plai...ns. .hO.W.. to a. cces.'.s.' our v. 01unt0.e.T ..driver ..pr. o.nram.
This sheet is pretty s ecific how we dolt. We have a dispatcher and
people call up. They ak~ arrangements. Wedispatchtne,ride to.a
vO..lunteer dl.." iv.er and tlh~.n, the. .driver. ,will call .the. person .t. he ni.. g. h.t.... .b.efore
,and let them know whattim~ they~llbe picking them up.' Throughout the,
countYllJenave about 315 volunteer drivers and we have about 10 of those
i dr i ve into the metro air ea.. We do .ana.wful lot of t;r:ansportat.ionofcou'(se
i ntothe metro a'(ea folr medica Is, because of the ~there ~s '(eally not a' lot
of specialized medicall care out here in the ~ either at Waconia or at St.
Francis so we do~I th~nk most of the cancer r~diation the'(apy
· transportation. We d~ kidney dialysis. IrJego as far as the UniveYsityof
Mi..nne..sot8 ClU. it.. e often "I' . our. vo. l.unt.~eer driver..s col1ectivel.yput on. a.b. ?ut .'
25~000 miles a month. These volunteers are reimbursed theirrnileage~For
both our busservice8jnd our volunteer driver service there is a fare. The
fare is 50 cents loca~~ $1.00 anyplace in the county. $2.00 up to .15
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mil$s out of the county! and $4.00 beyond that ahd that's'for your round
trip ride. A.nd that's paid to thedr iver and then the driver tur nsthat in
at the."nd.of the mont,. .Then the other item I gave you Is oUr brochure
that gives you our tel1phone numberls and how to access us for eithet bus
volunteer driver program...
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Cathy McGraw: . Actuall~ we don't try to distinguish who'~a senior and who
isn't. Ac'tuhlly we pr iimar 11 y are for the elder ly . We' design our service
a'(ound that but fo~ an10ne who is really transi ~ dependent ,who. needs to
getl;Jherewe're gOln?, Iwe try to ge~them the rlde so. l.Je. don't Just do .
elderly. . There's qu~t~ a few translt dependent people who are not elderly
t'Jho we take tothei r m$dicalappointments with volunteer drivers.
. How much lead .t'Lme do you hs\ve to.. have?
Cathy McGraw= We like a 2 day notice. We like it. We don't always~et
::~gg: That tripped mI up because Y needed It this summer.
week int6 Methodist an! r couldn't.
Cathy McGraw: We have done that. We'll do an ongoing. When somebody has
'to get ..to cance)" radia' ion they ha\Je to. go for, 6 wee~s, .5 days a week and
sol mean you don't ca[l us every day. I mean we just automatically assIgn
that to a driver ortwp drivers and ,it's done but ~.Je like to specify that
t.. h. is.... i.s.a las.t.. r...e. so.rt.~ra..ns.por. tati.o.n. s..er.vice. If o.the. r .PO..OP.I. e.., if .y.o...u have
someonel;Jho can takeybu then o.f course we'd prefer you to do. .that.
S. om. e. t.i.mes P?OP.le "'d. I. I "It')ave .a. fa. m.il.Y merrber or frio endw~o can take it,hem a
co.uple of tlmes a week and then we do It' a couple of tlmes so we try to
work it out with the passenger. . ,. . ,
Heinlein: How do you figure the mileage? I have ~one further with one "of
your drivers very polilte. Twice I 've had to use it but there 's times<nowI
gather that I'11proba1bly have to use CART more than Dial-a-Ride for short
trips like to Eden PrairIe or TH5andTH 4. I go both to'a podiatrist a'nd
the.
McGraw: That,wJuld be a $2.00 fare.
It would b1? Okay. ·
Cathy McGraw: U8uall~ up to Eden Prairie is about
gets to be the $4.00 ~are.
Montgomery: That's '(~all y valuable information. I thi n k
that needs to be, bettJr known.
Bragg: How about in he evenings?
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Cathy McGraw: That's J problem we have, We do not ask our ,drivers to
out in t.heeveni ng. l~dkeep it during the weekday and fy'om about?: 30
4:30 or 5:00. ,Most of them are seniors themselves and they prefer to be
home with their family and they are also volunteers so you can't really
request a volunteer to do something they don't really care to do. That's
why we keep it.specifia to what the volunteer wants to do. If a volunteer
driver fOlinstance wa1tsto just drive !withintheirlocal commynity, we do
that as well. You know so it 's up to the volunteer to decide lIJhat they
want to do and then. we I fi ndthe right volunteel fOI the light .1 ide.
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Montgom~IY: Is there any van service at night? Driver service?
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Cathy McGr,aw: No, we dlon'thaveany evening. We're under Social Services
and actually the Countt restricts us to county open hours. Any other
questions?
br{ngs them in fOT us at the senior
Ale there more ,of these that can be left at City
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McGraw: I Sure. leah,
Thank you.
.Heinle, in: ,Marilyn...uy, ually
whatever we call it. 'j
I'll make sure that Sharmin gets all that
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Cathy McGraw: Right. And she does the shopping run in
yeah. ~
Heinlein: I've gone wlth them a couple of times to
but suddenly I have tolCOOk meal~ again at home.
Cathy McGraw: Well YOU know not a lot of people go but for those that want
togo,we like to have I it available. And for instance if somebody wanted "
to go on the weekly grocery shopping and not go for lunch, we could make
that arrangement too. I She could run people back who didn't want to stay
for lunch at the congr gate dining site too'. But they wanted to have it
combined for those who wanted to have the lunch. Okay? Than~ you.
<Diane Harberts: or ni ng . My name isbia ne Harberts and I'm the
administrator of South est Metro Tlansitand I bet there's going to be a
question, do ~'Je offer vening sep/ ice. I'm goi ng to just pass out some
magnets and!'ll refeq t.<:>t.hisin my presentat.ion',MY business card. t.hat
has my t.elephone number In case you have some questIons lat.er on and then
some pens .If youcoufld just take one and passt.hem on. A ,couple m,i nutes
ago wh,en youI;Jer.e'tal,k~,ng about your seni, or cent.er, ',' there w, a, S a, di."S"C,USS,itln
about t.heneedof p~rk~ng. Well let. me t.ell you, Dial-a-Ride will
certainly help youwitbh t.~at. pal"king need. I don't know how much you know
about Sout.hwest. Met.ro r myself so .~>JhatI 'd like t.o do is just. take a
couple of minutes . Tell! you a little bit about myself. About the services
and then maybe just chat. a lit.tle bit aboutt.he needs. I've been wit.h
Scuthl;JestMetro just, Ii twas a year inOc'tobel" : ,Prior to that I was with
the County ofAnokafo~6 1/2 years and what I did there was basically
'develop a transit protam ,revolving around the senior needs and then,later
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that best 6ustomer serJicewe can. Sometimes there~s reasons we maybe a
I.i.t.......tle l..a..te bU.t VJ.e.c.er..1J...ain.lY ty.y... t.o.... ~mprove. An.d al.l.J...aYs.~ VJealWays. w.....elcome
any comments good or b d on how we can improve it so thank you.
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Montgomery: Ofcour~e myq0estion is always~. what is the possibility
extending hours into t e evening; t-Jhafwe find is that seniors can~t
to community education programs. They can~tget to church programs.
can't get to suppers. Y6u know it's an ongoing problem.
Diane Harberts: You kow and I realize the importance and we'd love to
extend our services to [the evening hours. You know the year that I've been
.~\Jith . Southwest Metro tlle questions weal~ays ask are do you want evening
SenJlce. Yes. How oft~.en would you use l.t? t.Jell maybe once a week. Mayb~
oncearnonth. One of t!.-he things that we have to work under iswhat~s
referred to asperform~nce standards. They send the funds t~at w~ receive.
We have to mee.t certai~ goals of efficiency and this efficiency. is a
product ofhol.J w~ll utI 1 izedthe serv.ice is so I think that with your need
of wanti ngthat,eveni n~ service~ with our need of meetIng ou.rgoal ~ I think
by working togethey, by increasing the awareness that that service is
available~ I think it~$ going to be a very easy opportunity to deliver that
evening service. I
Montgomery: Has therelbeen any communication with the Community Educati?n
Department for instanci where that~s concerned?
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Diane Harbefts: We~ve had, I'Ve had.conversations over the last yeaf with
different community edpcation centers that offer classes in the evening and
:.t"-'ouldli ke that opportpnity. It's fi lidi ng these pieces. . Now, putting the
pi ecestoget hey to extend t ha tser vice. ; Like I said. i t ~ s not somet h 1ng
that. ' s impossible. It!'s just a matter off i nding those pieces and putting
.them tog~thersowe cah fit that transit with the needs and I think with a
commission such as yourself, it's one piece .in Chanhassenthat we can
cer tal n 1 y ide nti fy asf-e 11 as. t he other ~ i ece~ in the other. two ci ti "s .
Montgomery: So what wrneed IS cooperatlon WIth a lot of dIfferent?
Diane Harberts: Exactlly :right and that's one' of the roles that rcanc~o is
to be that link betweenthedifferentpiecds but it's a two way street;
If's as I said, we coulldreallY use your assistance by that encourageo1ent.
By . the awareness of thbe service and at the samet-ime ~"e can. be thatl ink to
provide that servi6e t meet thatneed~
Montgomery:... ~.Jedo hav1lesome questionnaires I'm sure that we'll be
prepardng from time t~time;andperhaps that could be.
. Diane Har"berts: That Iwould be an excellent opportunity.' what we've done
with other agencie: i~ thatw~en .theyhave a questionnaire . like t~at, we're.
able to maybe provldeja questIon or two that relates to thIS part~cular
area such as evening sjervice or trans! t sel.vice.That helps usge,t a
response bac~. That Helps us put that plan together and how to offer ~n
evening service that'~ going to b~ successful.
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Br a99: I', thi nk Iunde~stand what you're sayi ng. I'd just like to point
out that the older eye liS why we need evening se~"\jice. Because asenio~",
it's just what happens ttJhen you age is that your eyes are not as clear at
night.. and if you'rego.~ng to be sa. fe an the ~ighway, it's. better not to be
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Diane Harberts: No, tJat's averygodd point Betty. I appreciate that and
you knOltJ~'Jhat I'd like'l'ta suggest is that within this 1992 year that
Southwest Metro is com~itted, to taking a harder look at that and I think
With... input like that, ~hat's..\I'Jhatmake the pieces c6me tOgetllet. 501 'd
1 i keto maybe suggest ~.hatas a goal for both of us to wor k on.
~10ntgarnery: I was thiJki~9 of all the driving courses too. The 55
or whatever they call It. Perhaps that might be a link too.
Oiane Ha)~berts: . That ,Ja very good suggestio.n. Very good; '(ou know if
you have other suggestIons Ii kethat, you have my business card with my
phone number,. Please g.:\.verne a call. I'm there~1onday thruFridayanyt.Jhere
from 7:30 in the morni~g to 7=00 at night depending on what the schedule is
but., we:r... e.:9-1.. ly .~'Je.lcarne. fj.-ha..t. inP. Lit. . . I'd eve. n. welcom.e the opp. or. tunity to........come
out to yoursenioT center meeting and maybe discuss 'some other..comments'
like that lI-Jith your atie:r members. . Thank you. .
Montgomery: Well thanks so much. It's nice to know
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Heinlein: If you want to. go Ii ke from Southdale, just. hot..J
is there in the timing I. What .ist:he timing to get to Eden
the bus that goes there?
;D. lane. H.arberts: That'.~ a. .T...eal. SO.Od quest. ion selda,. 0, ne Of,.t.he thin.g.s.' that
d:rives Dial-a-Ride isr sha:red ride se~vice. That way we're able to keep
ithecost down, · By ha\j~nga shared ride, we~,.a little flexible on time. .
-Usually the run betweeh Eden Prairie and Southdale I think ~uns m~ybe~bout
20 minutes, depending ~n traffic. I think that's usually what the time
allowed is. I'm not srre on that. That's something I can certainly get
back to you on.
Heinlein: I like to go to Southdale once in a while'but I never know.
know I know when the brl s will pick me up at my door but then when I get
th~re, how long will I have to wait to get the bus that goes further and
the same way on the re urn?
Diane Harberts: Sure. What 1 J.Jould suggest that. you do. isto call our
Dial-a~Ride numbe:r. On this magnet ~e have the e~press number for bus
information to Minneapblis and also .for Dial-a-Ride. If you wanted to give
them a .call or to give me a call .withthat question ,lean follow up on
that.andanswerthat. By calling Dial-a-Ride you can pose that question to
them . Tellthern 'where you live.Whel"e you want to go. Dd you want tosto.p
at Edenprair ie fi rst'ordo' you just want to go from your home to
Southdale? They',d be jableto give you a response because it also depends
on what day and ho~.J malny other people are goi ng that ~\lay. ,
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H$inlei n: Because basJcallY 1 was und$r the impression t.hat I'd have
wait at Eden Prairie fdr a bust6pick me up th$re to take me further
then coming bae k it wOL!ld be the samethi ng .
Diane Harberts: What iou 're.referrin; to is a time transfer . Som'etime~
because of ,the number of people because they're coming from the ~ifferent
pal"ts o.f thecommunitids, wado ask you to t",ait but usually it's a very
minimal time. 5 to lolminutes at the Tnest. . One ef the geals for 1992 that
.\..-Je've.also identified ~s really stepping up that frequency of service to.
50uthdale simply becau1e of continued requests Ii ke this as ~\)ell. 50. it'
does help to have ~omments like this. Thank yau. Thank you very much.
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'Montg~ery: Thanks ve~Y muchniane.
Diane Barberts: Thanks ferinviti.ng me teday.
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H.O.M.E. PROGRAM. BETTY CROUCH.
BettYC'rouCh:'. I 'mherl to tell you about .' the H.O .~1.E. program which is an
aCr'onyrnfetHo.usehold$ndOutside .t-1ai ntemance for the Elder' ly.We . also.
s. er..v.e. t;h. edi.S. ~bled~ndIII. t.hi.nk )-/ou.:'ve. al'feady....heard... a .lit.t~e b.i~ .abPu....t...... us
.from Paul and 5harmln.. I understand there was also an article in yeur
ne~\)spaper t.elling you fbout us and t.hat the'(e is 'a flyer or mailing going
out, I don't know has that been received yet8
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Betty Crouch: Oh',' ekat. 1'11 just give you a few brief thi ngs and then I
have a little video talf,efbr you to watch . But H.O.M.E. wasestablisned in
1980 in our officesi nlSloomington. At that time it was. establishedwTth
So.uth Hennepirr Human S~rvices Council. l4eare now with Senior Community,
Services. 'We do a var~ety of services for a cho'fe.project.Wekindof
li.ke..torefer. to.. o..urse~v.es a.s ci. f.li...ll 's.enJice.. prog.ram bec.ause lrJe .da clean..ing
and maintenance and sefsonal work. We have about 15 hamemakers, ~ '
maintenance cbordinator aDd 'a painter and then weh~ve extra help in the
summer when it's neede~. We don't do any personal health service but we do
a .lot of cleani ng that~is very necessary .lrJe try to help people stay. in
.th.e.ir home..s as '.lo.ng a2.'.p. e.ssi...bl..e... and a.t.,.an affordablecest. 5.0. at t...h.i.S..,t.1m.~
I'd like to shaw you t e video. 1 want you to understand that there's
m....ay.be been a few changfb...si.npersonnel ~nd it deesn't have the expert.iseo.f
Paul and Diana but I h p~ you'll ~nJoy it.
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. 8ragg: 'Ms. Crouch, whlsre are you located? .
Betty Crouch: Dh I'm ~OrrYi I'm in, the Sloomingtan affice
Community cente~. YOU1'11 see that on the video also.
Bragg,:.... Dayou have ani~ ether- 'cantacts.in Carver Ceunty or any ether places
besides that? That's fh$ only place we eaT) reach you?
'Bettyer-ouch: That's .rl'Jhere my ~ffice is. We serve the citiesef
Bloomington, Richfield!, Edina, Eden' prairie and St. Louis Park.
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Bragg: So say a perso~ was 106ated out this;far, you might possibly
an auxil1i~ry person c~oser or would you always take all the calls?
Betty Crouch: . No, IW~Uld' take the call but I' would
lives closer to your a~. ea.
Thank you. Th t's ~hat I wanted to know.
Krauss.:. Well, we're h Vi"9 technical di fficul ties. They're going
upstairs and see if thJy can get someone .to come down and run it.
Bett.y-Crouch:Okay .1.,Jell . as you can see from that openi ng, it... shol>Jed the
four cities it include~. That's one of the things we'll have to change.
That are now going. to be serving someone in. Chanhassen. t1aybewhi Ie we're
I;Jaiting foY' that, 1'111 han? out our newsl~tter. We try to do two ..' .
Inews~e..tters a..Yea.,r. ~.J.sprl.n.g.. an.d. a...fall Issue an.d.' everyonet.hat. c.gets
serVIce would automatI1allY get one.
Bragg:. The reason I aIked the question is I had need for the service
t4!8S fe.fe.rr. ed to C.. ar.ve.rcounty and a very. nice peY'son came out. . and .did the
assessment and then I .aited forever because she didn't:. have anybody to
send. Finally she gotlsomebodY and I was within about 2 weeks of being ....
able to takeover myse. f pretty well. She carne one time and then {she quit.
I .thinkt....h.ew. a9.es .~\Jere~..srnall and Plobably t.hat's why but it wasai little
unsatisfactory for my reeds. ' .
Kubitz: I won't say that about Betty~ I called heY' for snow
within a'halfan hourthad somebody calling me to do it.
Betty Crouch: Servlng!the suburbs sometimes is difficult. I want to
assure you Ialreadyh~ve anticipated that and I just recently hired .3
homemikers that live i~ theChanhassen/Eden Praille area that r~ally only
want to serve out here. Theydon'twa.nt to go to Richfield so. I am try! n9
to coordinate.
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Betty Crouch:
Bragg: In other words! this Carver County probably
service, maybe it's a. ifferent prograrneven.
(A short video on the .0 .t'LE. program was pr.esentedtothe Commission at
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Montgomery: That's wolnderful. It's good to know there's that service.
Setty Crouch: . We '~e ~erY proud of the program. I will pe happy to answer
any more questions that you mighi have or explain anything~ The process.
BraSIS: I'd .like to aJk nOI;J,as 'the program expands and you're coming west
wIth that, will y~u nded More volunteers from this area?
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8etty Crouch: '. Yes andlsomeonehas gi v~n mea contact name. I hav~n't been
able to make that contact but yes weW11! need mo~e volunteers obv~ously.
But as Jane just poi ntJd out 'to you when she called me the other day, I had
a call right after tha~ from a young teacher so I ,had him call her back
right away and he had J grou'p who wants to do snow removal. The)/'reon
snow patrolMonda~ thrJ Fridays so.' . . ,
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Jane Kubi tz:. We got iii- all cleared out by then and he wanted to come out
and shbvel r1ght then And there. He had two 7th and 8th grade boys he
wanted to put to wor k .11 said I'm. sorry , we're all done. ". This is 'for
time. : Does anybody else in your~eighboyhood need, snow removal and of
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program and we're' very happy to be
Chanhassen. You can call me or do
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PLANNING DIRECTOR UPDAfEONCBDGFUNDS.
i".1.ontg. ornery: .r....guess p.t'.U.l is up next. '. He's' goi ng
the CBDG funds.' '.'
Krauss: I'd also lik~lto talk I guess more focused on our budget too.
met with LarrY81ackst]~dtl'Ying to get a handle on what's going to happen
for the next year's rornd of funding and we're still not sure. We get
infonnationon'that in March. Februar"Y-March. In the past we've typically
f.unded South Shore.. .1.1 thi.nk, r.ecentlY. it's been in. t. he order Of. $8,.00.0.00 a
year. Of course t.,hispast year we gave some to Sojourn but that t'Jas more
of a one 'eime 'type of fhing. We don't knohl how much,money ~"e'redealing
with next year so it'slxeally kind of tough to know t"hat to do with it yet.
And we have some competi~g demands as well. I mean one of theihings w~'ve
been ,well.. I think youl're aware that we finance some handicapped accessible
pa.rk e.qu.i.pme.n.t... o.ne .oFf the.....,th1..ngs t.,hat we'r.e starting to. wor...k..on h...ere .is.
to get some moderate c st housing. Not just on the open market, into town
so ~\Je began to talk to some people about some ways of doi ngthat and some
plock grant money might figure into that. I had some meetings or
.discussIon with Ron BlbckfromSenior Communi tySey"vices about our funding
levels. Our likely fuhding levels for South Shore in.the future and
basically l.<Jhat I told him iswe 've always had a stated desire here.to keep
on fundirigSouth Shorer'to the best of our abilities but as we have a .
facility opening up he~e,we 'r,e going to have to balance that somehow. So
basically to expe?t so~ething b0t probably not as much as.we were able to
do before. Even If the dollars are there, we can't, Ith1nk you're aware
wecarionly give 15% o~ the dollars to that service activities so ~e h~v~ a
problem~\Jith that. 8utas soon asI know more I'll let you know. I'm real
hOpeful, and maybe r'ml ~eing naiveaboOt it but the last t!m~the~ figured
the block grant alloca~,lon, .as far as they were concerned 1n 'Washlngton, we
had a population of 6,POO. Now we have a population 6f 12,000 so I'm
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ofl.<Jhatwe represent. Trustt"orthy
meeting all you people here in
y6uhave any more questions now?
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hopeful that that Yiel~s more dollars. The City Council, since
spoke, City Council's approved the budget. One of the thingi that we tried
to.... do 'and Park and Rec.1t'rie.d..... t...o...... do is put senioract.ivities o.n a....... .m.o're ..eve.n
keel sO.lJ.Je weren't justj wholly dependent on Block Grant funds. We don't
think we. asked for a ldtofmoney but we wanted the City Council' tofeel. .'
comfortable enough tha~ there would be Bortof a baseline amollnt of money
t. h.at... COUldbe'...funneled~..t.hrough... B.nd .ae.t.ual. lY.. we c.an hav.e a. ......10. t." .more..... . c.' .o...n. .t...r....o.................l....
ove'r it. There's no s rings attach~d. Well there is, yoU'v~ got to~get
City Council approval ut you're not trying to please a bureaucrat in'
Washington with it~ Ad I'm pleased to say that both Planning and Park a~d
Rec vJere suc,eessful .~ar k and Rec has an allocation I believe of $5,000.00
~'Jhich~AJill be used in Rrograrnming senior activities so if they need to hire
1 don't know, a low im~act aerobics instructor or b'ring insomebodyfo'r a
le..ct.u. .reser'.ies 01'.'. dOWjhl..a. t.ev. er. between what they come upll~i th ,withJudy,v.Je
have some fundi ngfo'r I hat. ' . ,/
Montgomery~ Is that f rthe yea'r?
K'rauss: Ye~. I SlSOJot an additional $8,000.00 part of which is to be
used for youI' functionJng. _Now there's ,a little bit of an accounting thing
t"ith that. 1 mean we ~ave somebody taki ng Mi nutes : We. do mailings. ..l.Je do
other thi ngs .We maybe start subser ibing to some periodica'lsthat .you t"ant
us todo~ Eve'rYCommi~sion in the City has about a $2,000.00 to~3;000.OO
a year allocation that I they ,spend on just basic business so that's 'part of
it. but then there's sott of an additional, that leaves about $5 ,OOO~OO fo'r
discretiona'rY type of t.hings and~A.)hat I'rn hopefult"ecan do Lsuse 'that
either i nsteadof 01' ir combi nation with Block Grant or usei n areas wher-e
tAJecan't use Block Grant to get senior p'rograms . Instead of programming
bui~rograms up and r-u~ning~ So we(11.keep youpos~edon thai. We do. have
the $8,000 .00 and ,the ,$5,000 .00 ate gOing to be available to you starting
January 1. '. So in your I goals for, when you discuss your goals for- 1992,t.Je
have a little bit more in the. way of resources than tAJe had before.
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Mont9omer Y : IT hat's vet y ,n ice to he's r '. ' 1st hat for sur e the $8,000. OM
Krci0ss: Yes. I
Montgomery: Great. Ary other developments? Any, questions for Paul?
Hot'-lard: T have a quest.ion not related to this. Last time wernet
suggestions about form~ng a committee. Was anything presented to
C0uncil about that?
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Krauss: For volunteer?
'Howard: For fund raising committee\
Krauss: l' have ,not yel and.. i n the 'interim Judy Colby's come ona nd I'd
li~e fo get her involvrd with that as well. As soon as Judy gets her feet
on the ground, I thin~ we need to work with you and then start making
pitches. We don't know IIJhat to ask for yet and I don 'tllJant you to be , I'd
r ather you ' d didn ' tgoll in !the position of just asking without a specific
'goal in mind. When we, have a facility up and you need a new refrigerator
or.~vhatever, I meansdmething specific, a goal that 'you're trying to raise
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or fund a program, theJ Ithinkyou'l"e in a much stronger ground of. pulling
out and making a pitch Sornething .that Rotary canwr i te you a check fo)-
$250.00.
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center and I assume lPJe will still work towards a freestanding center so
have thatgoal~ . J
Yeah and.becaLfse of the way things fell out here, we jumped that 5
yearprocess~ Originally I thought ~e were going to have that same.5 y~ar
problem that Buffalo did. In fact Ithi nk if you remember back when~\Je
originally started tal~ing about this, we said think about thi~ina3 to.S
year time horizon. L..je~l the HRA.came riding to the rescue and you've got
to jump onthit and I ihink you've got t6 digest a lot of thingathat have
already gOne On beforelyoujump to the next step. This is going to ~e a
real busy year. Comin4 year fo)". you, Shanninremilided me though, there
was something else in l'erms of.Block Grant. We met ~\Jith Julie FriCK who is
with the CarveY County HRA. They have their own Housing and Redevelopment
Authority~ She was se king city assistance on doing a senior housing needs
study. Basically for ~s to pay into a kitty so ,she could put together a
project. Honestly I t6ld her that we really ~"e'ren't interested. . The
reason 'being that I think we can furid our own study out here and be much.
~ore specific~nd it'slgoin~ to bespecificaily what do Chanhassen '
/r.'8s.. i.de. n..t.. sn.ee.. d?.. .fA..h. er.e S.~OU.ld this ....th....i. ng be located?,. . HOW. big, s hou I. d... it. '.:
be? What sort of amen tIes? How much square footage? Does it have to
'.....have .u..nder.gr.o.un. d. parki ~g? .' .A11 t.hQSe ki nds of thing. s. T. he con.cer n. th..at ....... '
I've oft~n had with a tot of Carver County programs is they get so watered
down. They get ver'y lrttle support. . It doesn't seem 1 i ke they get much .'
supportfrom the Count Board and I didn't see .t.htowl nga few t.hou'sand
dollars to do a study hat says yes, they need more senior housing in Young
Arner icaas being ofmu~;h benefit to us: so . I indicated t.o her t.hat. there's a
10. tof t.h. i.ngs. we.., COlt.ldtl. pr.,ob.,ablYWo.rk. to., ge..ther... on but I couldn't recommend
t.hat we contribute to . hat, especially in light of the fact that we're
doing our own~ So if ' was out of line, tell,me,
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t-1ontgomery: No, I thipk that was a good move Paul,
HO~..Jaro: Paul ,is a st~dya thing or a servict3?
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apparently.
Howard: We were wonde ing ~bout t.hat~
Well when it'~ done it's a book so I guess it's a thing. I don't
t.hey come up ri th t.hat. defi ni tion Sherol. I don't u nderst.a nd it.
Howard: Well we have ~o be careful of our 15%.
Ky;aUss.. :W.el.l. actual.l yl.~ w..e exc.. ee. d. t.hat. . In the. past we. 'vebeen .ab6.u......t... ..2,0% or
25% servi?es~ut out or the pot ~f money that Hennepin county~ets,fro~ the
Feds to dlstflbute to all the urllt.s of, government ,they have to maIntaIn
15% so if another commL1 nity is at 5% ana we're at 20%, it all just.kinds of
balances.
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Moni~omery' T aues. t~iS isn't the ~lace to talk-about. We1*, .e'li get
t.o that I.ater. . AnYbOdd. 81...S8 ha. V8. ..an.,>,. . .que. s.tions. . for Paul about the grants?
Okay, ~-'J811 we'd Ii ke t.'i meet. Judy Colby I;Jho's the new Senior Cent.ey-Program
Coordinator. We've be,n looking forward to this.
INTRODUCTION OF JUDY COLBY, SENIOR CENTER PROGRAM
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Joan Kveril: I think t~is is my job too to introduce her. Before I do I
.,I;JOuld like to make a fEfw comments about your city. Crtyof Chanhassen.
iI'm a program adminisbtator for Senior Community Services but ralso.~"'ork
in direct service and ~n t.hat~ 8 years ago we beg~n the Senior Center
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c.a!l~d t. he SOU.t.h.'.S.horeJS.~. ni?r.c..e. nte.r......Whi.Ch. is l?cated in Ex.c.-e..lsi.or~yt. '
~'JhlCh ~'Jas tose'rve 6cqmmunl t.les, Chanhassen bel ng one of th~m. ..And' all I
these years Chanhassenlha~ helped fund the South ShQre Senior Center so
t\ihen this movement. of $tarti 'ng a new. s'eniorcenter in ChanhasseFI started I
li-Jill tell. you that I .l~oked upon it~",ith real m~xed. emotions because Sout.h
Shore Senlor Center lSlvery dear to me and I thlnk lt has made a wonderful
cont.ribution t.o t.he ar$a; . HOll.Jever, I also t.hink t.hat 't.his is very, V0Y'y ,
exciting for the older~peopleof your community and it's something that. you
don't see in many com~u.nit.ies. You see kind of ayes we know our
population is aging but we really don't think it's the city's business.l'~e
think.,. it...'S." the. St.at.e . 01" we th.ink. . it's t.heFederal governm.ent... So I T. aally
believe that you live n a community that is showing a real concern for
it's citizens and I thInk you should be very proud of that . And as I sit.
here'today a ndseethat theCi ty of Cha nhassen isc?nt. racti ng wi th,Senior
c.ommun.. i.tyS....erv i.'.ces H.OtIM. E. pl"ogram and' they.. l'ea..ll.y ~'J.ant tOdev.eloP.... a..
prog~am for their elde ly, I feel very good about it. I also feel very
good .aboutthe person. hat we have hired to w'oy"k with you in developing "
this center . J..Jhen paut, talks about. the C8DGfunds and whether or not they
IrJillbeable /tocontinlUe to help South Shore, again I listen very carefully
because I'm very tunedjintothat.. Right now that South Shore Center is
:::.;el"ving many of YQur' r~sidentsanduntil you get your full time center it
~-'Jill continue to serve I. Offeringthem congregate dining and so I'm very .
happy that Paul and the City. of Chitnhassen are saying that. they tdll .
conti nueto help .fund' ~oLlth Sho're Cent.er until YOU'r center is up and
running as is the Soutr Shore cente)~. I thi nktoo that that isawonde)~ful.
outlook on programs,foy seniors because right now you're starting very,
Vel"Y low key. You have a woman t",ho's going to be ,wor king 12 hours a 'week
and so you really, with that 12 hours combined with Sout.h Shore can right
h.O~'J. O.ffe.r. ct...he. pe....o. .p.le. O.[f..... .Y.ou.r... cornm. .unity almost .a d..ailY s.enior cen.t. .er.... '
experience. Judy Colb , let me just tell you that about, what ~\Jas it 2-3
weeks ago. We spentt e day, Selda, Emma St.John, Sharmin, myself an8
Todd. No, Todd wasn't there. .
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Joan Kvern: Yeah, becluse Todd wasn't able t.o be t.here tf,at day.W$
put in an ~d foria 12 hour a week position and we had about is people
respond 'which is reall~ very surprising because a 12 hour position is not
easy to fill believe ,YfU me. ltJehad the most wonderful candidates. \,
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Joan Kvern: That it wls just amazing.
BenlrJithhart , the ExecLjtive Director of Senior Community Serv ices and
Todd H6ffman, your Director of Park and Rec and myself, interviewed the
three finalists andvJelasked Judy Colby' to take on the job. Judy's lived
in .the City of Chanhassen for 9 years. She has 2 sons age 7 and 9. She's
been very involved as 4 volunteer in their school. .' She has a daughter 17.
'.J..u. d.Y.' . a....t....t... e. n... d.e.d... tho e univ].rs.. i;t. Y. . . 0.. f.... Mi nne.' s.'...o. ta., .. a.ndwor ke. .d. i.n.th. e jou..r..n. .a... .1. i. .s.m. ....
department but she has be~n in advertising all these years and you might
say well, advertising? How can/she work l>'Jith me to develop a senior ,. ,
center? t;Jhen you work in a senior center, one of the two main qualities
are necessary. First you must, love the people you're working,with, land
Judy really does enjoy lolder people. ' she told us a stor"y about\l~henshe
was young and the volumteer work she did and when I talked to other staff
people almost every on4 of us in our lifetime has had awonderful',
experience ~"ith either [a grandmother or with an older adult andthatrecllly
does carry through. S<D you need that love. Just like a teacher needs to
love children and ever-tbody doesn't. And then the second thi ng that's most
important is you need io be creative. You need to have ideas and I'll tell
you, Judy has them. A~dthenthird, you do have to be a little orga~ized~
NovJ now and then Ifal f dovJllon that when I leave my keys i nthe old purse
and my husband has to <I:;ome ,and bring them to the center but Judy has proven
and in talking with th+ people that. she gave as reference ~ each one of them
has really praised he"1 and tal kedabot,lt how she 'started a project and~."as
able to. follow i t thro~gh and that's very, very tmportant.... So I brought
along some job descriptions. I don 'tknow if you ~"ant them now. I can
give them to Sharmin ard 'keep in mind that this is kind of ageneric.job
description of a 'senior center director and you might want to take them
home orv.Jhatever. A 1~ hour ~.Jeek position you will not be able, to expect
all of, this to happen ~ut when you go full time, then these "kinds of thi ngs
happen and so I want t~ introduce to you a woman who I think you will
really enjoYl>'Jorking w~th and who will do an excellent job for your city.
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Judy Colby: . Paul saH:! that ~\JhenI get my feet down on the ground and I 'm
.s.u'. p.p. os. e...d. t.o.... f..OllO~tJ,. tha.~ in..trodu....ction. a.nd ge. t.'ffiY fe,e. t",d.own o..n .the .d..r.......o....u......n....d...... I
don't think that's goiS to happen for a while. Joan was right. I've just
had a love of seniors. hat! just know I was born with. ~hen! was very
.young the volunteer th t she l>'Jas talking about that Twas doing, I l>'Jas in
probably about 4thgra sand I lived in South t'1inneapolis and there~.Jas a
group called tehe Littl Sisters ,of the Sick Poor andl don't think they
exist anymore . I ,thin the~re's the 8rothers that work with ,the poer, and
used to, yoti know God nly knows ~hy you do these things but they talked
about thfsat school. I signed up and I took this bu.s to Bloomington
{wenue. I remember /si ti ng in front of this drugstore wonder i ng, as
I transferred to g~ in 0 Soufhea~t Minneapolis and wor~ with the seniors
and I went into their omes with the Sisters and'I would just walk into
these homes and these eople ware so poer and ! had never s~en anything
like this and the hous s stunk and I would sit there and go, oooh. Now
what did I give to tho e seniors I don't know because that's how I remember
it. But I kept going ou know. Month after month, year after year and I
just loved it. We put on parties and I can remember the canaries in this
huge woman and I don't think she ever got out of that rocking chair. But
she would smile her to thless grin and I would just feel very uncomfortable
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with her but here I am land what that might bring to y00 I don't
Joan. is "right. ,I've just alvJays .fel t comfortable with seniors.
alway~ felt there has~ever been enpugh done for seniors. As I
listen to everything available, I'm really excited because this was just,
I "m going to be On the ,Ilear ning curVe as it sounds Ii kea lot of you ~"hen
you. hear that these eXJjst and we don't knov~ about them and that"sthe
saddest , thing Is t.hat Bhereare services avaIlable but 1 think probably all
of you. have expel' iencedwhen you make one phone call and they say oh yes,
we can help. Oh, you'~e in that count.y. Oh, never mind. , You can't. Well
tryingcalli,ng here an1 tyl' call,~ngthen~and I did that for ye-:-rs wit~ my.
mother and fortunately II l.AJas avallable to help her so I JUst. qUl tealll ng
and did what I had to 10 for her, but there's alol of her friends that
didn't have that and so I t.hink that's one of the things that probably the
senior center will wan~ to do. And through Senior Community Services,
they've just got t.heirJfingers on the pulse throughout t.he Metropolitan
area and it's so excit*ng to have that kind of expertise to always rely on
because no centeralon~ is goi n9 to be able to know t.hat. whereasthat.'s
their goal is to keep 1breast of what's happening and so I'm real excited.
I t.Jastelli ng Selda th:is morning that. my second grader aslwascoming
he)Ne, he just doesn 'tt.hink this a good idea of course you know asldidri't
t",hen my rnotherwent. to 1 wor k . Because I work out. of my home on my "
adV,er,tising" ,so, ~o,w, you,lre going"t<;> ,<;lO' another. t,hing .You~no,w, 800",k, N,'ook,at
school aDd worklng on tour advertlslng and t.hlS too. I sald yeah butthls
makes me happy so you'te going to g~t the benefit of that and hesaid~well
t'Jhy do .you want.t.o~\jor,"f wi tht.hQse seniors. He thought I was gOl,ng, to work
with the ,senioys ~t ~h$ska High School. Now if any of you have had~ 17
year old daughter, those seniors are not acceptable. They aye not.
acc,eptablesohe's kin410f l.AJhywould you t.Jant to do, that as Michelle's
slamming t.he door andbrying. Ah, t.hese are differ~nt. seni6ys so I'm
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Judy Colby: Golden ag S, yes. Ye~h, he thought you were ,all about my age
and I said they're jus 'a little bit 61der than that. But. if YOU have any
questions and concerns, Ju.st feed everything to me because that's t.J,hat I
promised when I first alked t.o Joan. That I'd be a yeally good listener.
'Really ~ood listener. ~.
Mont.gomery: I'm sur~ YOU'll have a lot of quest.ions t.hat you'11t",ant.
askustoo an',d,' w, e're J,'['"st" delis,hted "to have you:Judy . It's \,IJOnderful
have you aboard.
Judy Colby: ,Thank you. I'm delighted t.o be here.
Montgomery: I think w~, have a lot <?f things we can d6together and it
t.akes a lot of cooperat.lon but Ithl nk we've been so lucky to have t.hat
ki ildof S,UPPO,)Nt and Sh' ~,rrn,ln" a~dPaul have been ~~JOnd"erfUl" to ,work l.AJith.
AndSharm n promlsed me, I want. thlS on t.he record.
taking these notes?Tlat she will just be there with us you know
isn't: Just. like she's tut off so her experience over the last. year's going
to be valuable too. Aihd as Joan said, the thing that's so exciting is that
we're starting the cen~er and then we're starting the H.O.M.E. program at.
You mean es a volu~teer?
1 wonder about formIng a commIttee
rIdes~ I ~oul~ volunteer.
BIll I son ~ 1 would tool.
Howard: So if you've 10t 30 of us.
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. Kubitz: I think that,l ~hen we get .our center geing, there may be seme
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yeungerpeepletee. an.dJsemebedY ha.d said semethi ng temeaboutthere.'s. an
awful lot. of kids .out ,here with driver.s licenses that might be I,<Jil11n9 te
tr anspertseniers .once Ii n a !rJh!le.
Heward: [.Jell 'it's a s~ame to miss a dinner. It's
medical first but the Jxtra things are nice toe.
AI-Jaff: If we can pr1ve there is a need far evening
Dial-a-Ride will ~xtenl their heurs. , .
Hew.ard: B.utshe never....1got aro..und to sayi n. ~.' h.ewmany . you nee.ded..... .or... ...anything
specific abeut it. ~h1 jusi said 'they had te investigate and coerdinate.'
AI-Jeff: Maybe .one thing that we can prepeseto th~m is doing it, .on a
trial basis for 3to 4Imonths.. If it's a success, keep it. . If itdeesn't,;
e1 iminate< it because t~at/'s how they started the Saturday service. It t,IJas
a.trial basis for 3 Morths and it picked up beautifully.
Heward: [.-.Jell the first:. t.hing to de is to let people know it's
tJ\ontgemery: Yeah the JUblicityt,JOUld bean impertantthingor
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Krauss: Starting our ,wn volunteer efforts, you ca.n always go that route
but it's difficult to rg'anize. You knew we don't have the expertise in
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'Ha.~IJayd: But Dial~a-RH1e \;lJould/make a trial of it.
Krauss: But yeah thatlls a different t",ay .of approaching it alld I think .once
t.Je have a center- .open ,.or an the verge .of it, yeu maY'l-lJant te puttegether.
. The~'e's pOt4ers in cealitians. Yeu teuch base lI-Ji th the EdenPrairieSenier
Center. and Chaska and ~<Jhatever graups you want and figure out whe exactly
wauld use this thing after 6:00 p.m. -and then it's a matter .of gaing to a
Southwest t1etro .cemmisfien beard meeting and make a pitch. I mean we have
2 City Cauncil peeple wh6 are on the Board. It's cemprised .of all lecal
people. 1 'm SUie theyl'd, the'laie under very tight. budgetaiY constiai nts
and they we,erecentlylcut back'alengwith'all the ether bus seivices..~Yeu
ieallyhaveto be, they'ie more than willing to serve but l.Je have te' ..
demonstn.'l.te to them thattheY'l"e net going ta\lJaste$7,000.00 01"$8,000.00
because they have to cbntract for these things. Get people lined up. ,That
there's actually a demfnd fer it andrthink if we can demonstrate it, I'm
SUie they'd" be receptive ta doing samething about it.
Heinlein: I talked talOennfs a couple weeks ag.o, and he said they are
t'Jeiki ng an same ki ndaf plan but it won ' t be confi rmedlguess until after
the first af.the year ~here iegular iouteswillbe more or less planned....
She didn't mentian any~hi ngctbeut it but when I tal kedte him, thatl-JaS
befere the Target dealllI waS talking to him~ . Like they're gaing to have
certain stations wherethey will pick up peeple as I undeistoad it so t",e'll
just have-tawait and Qee what's going ta came .out .of that.
M0ntgomery: You mean ~uri ngthe evenings Selda?
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Krauss: That's not foJ.the evening service. That's for the higher volumes
service. But again th] Board that Diane works fo~ is comprised of local
people. Ursula Dimler ~'./hoyou know i.s on it and on Monday they appoi ntcd
Mike Mason, one of our new. City Council people who 'sa school teacher to
fill t.heopen slot. l.J. could, tal k t.o t.hemabout it but. you really neeat.o,
in~teadofjust, it's ~ine to come up with an idea and say wouldn't it be
nicet.o have night.sey-Jice but it's something else again if you come t.o a
meeting ~'Jith tSor 16 Reople r.epresenti ng 31 communities that are served by
this t.hing all of whom are making ~ pit.ch and say hereJ We can present you
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LILith this as a package v-Je'd like you to work with us. I'm pretty sure .
they would.
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t'10nt.gomery) . I supposejif ~.Jedid clo isome kind of volunteer
involves. ..and~ommuniation and all that sort of thing.
Krauss: And one of th~ things we've found, one of the reasons we went. with
the H.O.M.E. program i, they screen volunteers. Most people out here ~re
good folks but there'sja lot of craziness in the world today and I don't
want to, I mean I don'it. have the expertise noy' does my. . . '
(There ~'Jas a tape Chante at this poi nt in t.he meeti ng.)
Bragg:rfhink that's an excellent program. I was very impressed.
Montgomery: Well maybl it'anot out. of the real~ of ~ossibilit.y t.hat
could coordinate to shbw some need.
Krauss: I ~now that JldY's going to be touching base with all the other
centers out here and m~king those connections.
Montgomery: And that ~OUld be one of our questions.
Krauss: It's somethin~ you can start working towards.
Bragg: . Sherol Howard~rid~I are representingthe'co~mission to Indepehdent
School District #112 orerin Chaska and we would like very much to
en.c..our...age some.' .e.....vening..or da.yt.i..me contin..Uing educatl.'o.n for.. s.e.nior....s.... .pe.oPI. e
that Can go to classes somet.Jhere and actually take part in something. I'm
sure that they're goi n t.o' want to do that i ntheeveni ng . because seniors
aren'tsl ngled out... . It. could be young adults and fam! ly rnembers and those
people always havet.o goin'the even! ngs because they have jobs .So \.Je'd
like to know could thefe be a bus generated or a van or something so that
if something li~e thatl~s set~p, that we'd have a chance to go.
t10ntgomery: You >know ~ 'remembe:rWhen~eri l.Jithhart vJas here and he made
some mention of helpi n~us to get. a venat some point. Maybe that~'./il1 be
something too. If we ~ould schedule our own van.
Krauss: You could andl ihat's sbmething we can use Block
a lot of the senior cehters I know do have their own van
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some drivers that are Jncall.
Howard: That would be la goal.
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But who klows. Maybe we c~n speed it up~
Joan Kv.rn: Senlor ~oJmunltY Services owns 4 vans that we wrote grants for
to the Regional Transit Board and so that is a possibility. It's not hard
getting the van. You !enerallY get a van through writing a grant. It's
then the funding of th gas, the maintenance. At South Shore we have one
15 hour a week paid em loyee and then we have 3 volunteers. Minnetonka,
th..e ....C..i tY.Of ".Mi nneton.ka.f,1 .t.h. ey ha.v.'.e. ,t.heir own .van and.. t.heY .useall. v. .o.......l.unteers
to ckive' the vans. That's'S days a week. Delano, ~"'e have :2 vans out
there. We have again ~ind of a combination of paid volunteer drivers and
the same in Mound. Bui W.hen you talk about adulted classes, this is ,what
you want to bring to Y$ur center. .
Bragg : Right, have thJ class in the center. .
interest ~nd not just tor seniors. T~en you almost have
time when people can come. \ '
Howard: I asked Greg thank' if we could be on the agenda in FebnJarY
we h~ve to organize. 1
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f10ntgomery: So transp<:>rtatloncane part 0 it.
Kubitz: They had an atticle. ..and there Here others besides
so there are people who arahome during the day too.
Bragg: Oh, I know tha J. That's a given. I thi nk ~AJhen ourcsnteris up
and running ,~'JewQuld tike to sesart classes and things going on. .' At the
same time there's. a drtpin for maybe others but what I was thinki ng,of ~'Jas
a nything from samethi n~ about camputEn-s or a lot of other things .Or maybe
even ci foreign languag~. That's not out of the question. When you thi,."k
of elder hostels for ekample, what they offer and what a wonderful play
there is all overt.he ~orld wit.helder hostels, you know t.hat life long
! learning. I mean it dresn't. stop when you finish yow- formal education.
t"1ont.gomery: oIn.t.. hi nk. tp...a.t.. '.s.' '. somethi ng t.hat we could maybe try to get. some
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Bragg..: "I think it's allittle long'range but nevertheless
okay too to think about it.
Kubitz:.. .rOng rangel. After all Paul was saying we
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Any other . comments abo t the goals? '
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Anybody have any bright ideas about
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marvelcus ideas. One qf these days we're gcing to. have to.
think abeut that. ~
AI-Jaff: l"e can do...th....~;ame thing hIe did last year. Hand eut
ef installatien ef a fee smdke detector ~ystem. Paul, de you
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Krauss' This is for t~e grand opening?
8ragg:'... I'd like tesuJgest getting t1al"ilee'Belgum lhJho is a senierherself
anClshe is so. terrific j She is a comedian. She was fermerlyahassistant
prefe.sser efthe Secia~Wer k Pregramat the University and she just r.etired
and she is geingeut. I I've fergo.tten which big time cemedian has hi red her
fer a TV shew. but she i~ from Minneapelis and'she's a person thatwouid
~~E~ beter;rificte haie. I den 't knew if yeu've seen her on television
Krauss: I can always*unt nehl that we'have Judy but ene ef the things!
we've asked Judy to st$rtwerking an is to. werk up kind ef an agenda to.
br i ng bac k to. yeu cf wthe needs to. be centacted. What ki nds of thi ngs need
to. be set in place. W4 're even talking hypothetically abeut hepefLrllY"'Je
can get someprogrammi ~g started even beferethe center's up. I mean lhJe
havethisroem. Wehaye some ether roems and that kind of justtostcn-t
building interest so. tl'i'lat ence the dee,s epen it's just a mattereffalling
into. that space. '
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Bragg: Has there been any, pelicies setup yet abeut hew you',e
use that space? ' If thJe start out with say 12 heurs a vJeek, vJi 11 it ever be
offered like theMi nnetonka' Center is TeY' ~\!eddi ngY'eceptionsand
and things like that? The extra hours.
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KY'auss: Minnetonka de sit. as it cater i ng hall but they t)ave
.I,.Je 11 you've see nit.
We don't h~ e that.
Krauss: No.. I ceuld ~ee occasienally , if th~~re's a cemmunity gY'aupthat
needs to. meet and ther~'s no. space, gei ng into. therei f i tdeesn't cenflirct
with semething else bu}keep in mind that.whenwe have Judy en feY' 12 heurs
a wepk neWi we haveeur Park and Rec felks to. fill in seme ef the gaps and
'hepefully.there will b~ a cedry efvolunteers.1 mean I don't think the
.do6rs are going to. be tecked up ~fter the 12 heurs. .
Bragg: That's what I \-.Jeuld think and I thought maybe that sheuld be
addY'essed by seme cemm[.ttee new that Judy's enboaY'd to. talk
uti lizatien of space. . ,
Men~gOmery: I think 1 st yeaY'at 01del" Americans Month the South Shere
Cente'l"'had such a good idea because they had interviews with allsortsef
seniorse,tnd put it all together in a beok and that might be semethi rrg that
we migh~want to. de at seme point and maybe fer that. I don't knowbut,I
thought that wasrreall, a geedidea~
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8ragg: ' That lfJaS Joan'] idea .We interviewed the seniors whoused
c~nter that were over Jge BSand then thal wa~published and those
were all especially inJited. Th~twas a great day.
Montgomety: And that 1an be part of the heritage
8ragg: Yes\, j ,
Anybody ejse?
Howard: Weren't we go~n9to have a Senior of the Year
Montgomery: I think t~a~ came up. Somebody 'mentioned 'that. That's,
somet~i~ge. lse we coUI~di..scuss.or I.mea~that they could.f!nd out about
the timing. Thatwouldi be good. Tthink it's all Vel"y excitlng .No other
bUrning ideas here? I
8ragg: Not yet. I
Judy Colby: EXCUse me, Do we want to get that subcommittee
Paul and I talked about me presenting some programmin9 ideas
The months are goi,ng t<D go so quickly that maybe if we had a
" that ~",ould ,be tal ki n9 ~bout the actual programming. Not the centerb'ut hO~'J
to .U.till.'.z.e. t..h.a. t.... s.pace.. i..f we., had.. .tha.,t c. Omrriittee.". . now.. '. I could ,'wo. rk,t'-lith
,committee before the "rxtmeeting in front of the commission.
t10ri~gOmery:' '.. N<;~'-I are lfJf speaki ng of the committee that would be the
AdViSory Councll so t01speak for the center?
JUd.y C.,OlbY:,. probab..IY "'ot., This is more of a subcommittee. I
Advisory Committee.is ,oingto be talking more about goals and
and maybe 8Y-laws...bi# more focused to ~rogramming.
1'1ontgomery: Fro.m.the '~.ommi8si~n do you have in mind? r think
be the same people. r '
Judy Colby: It will b~ ,the same peo~le?
t1ontgornery: Yeah.' 1 ~hi nkthey~~ere concerend with
they sortdf go t?gethrr. ~t's hard to separate the
from thep,og,arnrnl ng. I, I thlnk they do go togethe,.
other people who want tp help with that too. '
Heinlein: l..Jell yeah, ~f a1nybody has .anyideas or I mean
thatlrJay, let us kno~""1
Monfgome,y: Well Shartincan,9ive you their numbers.
NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION STATUS UPDATE.
AI-Jaf~: One of the tLingsthat we have to sUbmit is
f or.l. 992.' .as..' .VJe.ll as 1. 9~[ 3.. '. No ,ope.,.... a ti 0 na 1 budget for
projections fo, 1993. l.,lhat do you want to spend this
I,need to list all tha~.' .,
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use and the design
And ths,e may be
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Sharmin, J think we need to clarify what it is that we're
talking about. . Which~xpenSeS?Are we talking about this as simply fund
raising, what shall we~callitgr6UP which also~then would. do some .
P.Ubl..i.C.lt...y an.d some w.ha.t.. shalf 1;Je.sayoutreach t..o.. sup..port the cente...r...but..'it
would not then include any of the expenses that go to the center orthat
are involved with the ~'enter. This is what I think we need to decide
before we can write up what the expenses\are going to be. For inst~n6e
just for . the fund raisilng foundation, you t'Jould have the expenses maybe of
postage, mail and maybJI don't know, You know that sort ofexpense~ But
it'woulan't involve thJ expense that is involved in the center operation
itself. '
A17Jaff: For instance if you-wanted to have. a comedian come
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inst.ance?
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Montgomefy: Yeah maybe or writing letters to peopleoT having meetings ~T
anyt.hing t.hat. lJ.Jould be 1 involved in outreach tote1"1 the pu. blic about the
center and it's operatlon. Or any senior needs faT that matter. It
l;.JOuldn't be limited to1the center. So you'd bethinking more about
expenses in connection IrJith support but. not in connection t-'Jithoperations.
And!don't knol;.J, I'm not saying that's the l;Jay it should be 0)" can be or
anythi 1'19. I think thatp; swh~tneeds to be found out. and decided if t.hati's
a.n. option. ..1 .don'.t. ev..rn knOl;J if that's legal or if that's the \PJay you set
,up a foundation.
AI-Jaff: Judy was in he senior center in Mound and she f00nd out that
they do have a non-profit organizatioll status established. I think thl~ough
Judy . ~'Jeca nco:ntac,t t.htm and see how they went . about .i t.
~1.o.ntgom.el.. y: . Yea~., be. c~lfl:::e Ithi.nk each ....c..entel is .a ~ i. t.tle di ffere.nt a.nd
t.hey're fund1 ng18 so ~1 fferent., Iknot-'J that the C1 t.y does not !-'Jant to
involved as palt of a Don-profit oTganization. So I think that's very
important to define Jutt exactlY.!-'Jhat t.hose expenses Willc~ve~. \
Howard: Well they should be able to tell us.
r'10nt.gomery: Right andl I thi nkthatnumber,1 gaveSharmi 1'1
somebody WhO'ssuPpose~to kn6w.these things but you know.
Ihaven'thaL a, chance to contact., sorry.
Heinlein: I think thal,s part of Judy's, t1.Jould be part of her assignment
mo,e 0, .less or !.Jhatevp'r>':ou ~Jant to call it, But anY"'Jay, I. think that's.
why we've ~ot youinvo~ved with.
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Kubit~: I think afterl~e:ve been
that we can't contemplate now~..
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Montgomery: That's tr~e and it will need
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Kubitz: Getting a tel,vi~ion and a VCR or who knows what we
that we ~ant that we d9n.t hav$. '.' . ,
Montgomery: Or we mig*t want it for some other thing and not the center at
. all. . I don't know but I it would involve seniors. If. it-'s called a senior'
foundation. .
~~l~Jaff.: I also spoke with the
trJe're talking about anclhe said
identify.! did explain to him
agreeriblewit~)l'dith'e' 'h'.a'f'e a'.n'. Y'
t-1ont.gomery: L. names t.o suggest?
AI-Jaff: WeIll mentined to him that you wanted to have.
Mayor aboUt. numbersfoT the Board. that
he ttJould ~>Jrite a letter but that we should
what. you were request.ed and he was very
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wassn excellent idea. II That t.hatshould be the type of peopl$
'with such a Board. .
t'10ntgomery: hJell I suppose t.he next t.hing then is fo t.hink of the specific
people who would match~
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!will be in! contact with you Barbara.
Hqward: Who'ssuppose# to ~o this? Who invites the people to be
commit.tee?. '. . .1 . . '
Al~Jaff:It will be an invitation from the Mayor but the City
involved lIJithAtn....hd.. e.!" 81,. on' acre...['....w..e
o . are a ~ity commission, then we are not. the ones
Who finds outt' who to invite?
Al-3aff: You named th categories. The different categories.
Kubitz: I thought tha was the end of our's.
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Correct.
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Howard: You have to ff nd someone who knolt<Js those people. . .
AI-Jaff: I have rec~iVed a few names. Daisy Whitehill.
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Mont.gomery: Daisy Whi~ehill. She's just. been int.erest.ed.
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AI-Jaff: We thought a~out contacting the minister
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Howard: Perhaps one 01 two o~the people from the
We could rggest some Dames perhaps wIthout being an
Al-:wJaff: Definitely. IT think the list could be generated. I don't see
that as a problem. . I
Kubit.z: If you sent t~eletterout. to these organizations, wouldn't
up to them to picksorntbody?
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For the organIzation. That would be a good idea.
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It w6uld be , letter that would go out for instance to the Rotary
say, send us rOmebOdY. Appoint. somebody.
Howard: Even some of the businesses, like the bank.
AI~Jaff: Definit.ely. lsame wit.h the church.
Montgomery; c. You ,mentined something about putting an ad in the p~per for
t,he at large people but... I" don't know who ~...,ould do that . ~. Well ~'Je '11, have
to,' I'Ll beeurious fitst of all to see how this comes through the final
non:-proflt before we, ..['
Heinlein: The main thr ng is to get the thing started, the buildi ngand
everything else and then we know where we're going. Then we'll g6 gund ho.
r think thingt are going to unfold'real fast.
Ai-Jaff: One other thtng that I found out, that application as It.-Jas
trying to fill it out,lwas they. wanted the names of th~ officers and of
course we' don't have off ieers. ·
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Montgomery: That's \.Jh \...,e need these people. Did you tell the Mayor that?
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Ai-Jaff: Yes.
t.Jell.
Bragg: It's alive.
't know ~..,hat.more~...,e can do.
on it. As 10ngas you know we aret.-Jorki ng' on
AI-Jaff: 1t's alive. I
Judy Colby: I'll contLct Mound and get as much information 'as
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APPOINTMENT OF SENIOR COMMISS~ON CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR.
Montgomery: l.Ale have <:;~meto the last item . heroe which is the appointment of
t.he neVJ Senior Commission Chair and Vice-Chair. As you know in 'our . By-laws
in January we're $uppo~ed to elect new officers. r think that's something
t-<Je.can doi n January b~t I Justt.hi nk that. should be, everybody figure out.
what you want to do ab&utthat. ' I .
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Howard: Must. ~e chang~? .
Hei nlein: Th~t's what I I was goi ng to say.
Montgomery: Well, I t.~ink it's good to have change. I
keeps organizations allve and I think there should be a
somebody else. I
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Kubitz: I t.hi nk t-<Je sh~Ufdkeep Barbara in because\-<Je 've
rolling at this level ~ow and then we'll let you off the
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Bragg: But ~ome of us have 2 year appoint.ment.s and some of u~hav~3 year
appoiTltments.
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Heinlein: But t.his is seperat.efrom t.hat.
Montgomery: Yeah. Ri~ht. Well we don~t have to resolve anything
I really think that it I' t-<Jould be great to have somebody else takeovet'for
the n~jt year..r JUstl.think it would be fun. .It really is an exciting
t.hing.
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Hot'-lard: l.Jould you' corsider st.ay} ng?
Montgomery: No. I'd tather not let's say.
Al J ff' . 1. t' t d
- a : Your arm 1S ~elng W1S e .
Bragg: Yeah it is. I
Montgomery: I know but t.het'e aTe a lot ef capable people
commission. I think t~eyshould be doing thIs too.
It's like abo~t 5 against. 1 Barbara.
Well YOu',1 bett.er t.hink harder.
...you havelbeenvery capable.
Heinlein: After all, his is gOing to be oUT projeCt. is supposed tobs
fi ni s had in May and I · :hi n k you both have done a good job a ndyou know
what's up and .lrJhat's cbming and that you could, it would be nice to still
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have you in the spot. t.~at. you are now.
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t"lont!pomery: .t"ell, we 'te flat.teyed aren't. ~"e Betty. I just think you still
~eed to think about itlfor a month and we'll see how you feel in January.
I still a great believer that change is a good idea. I think it keeps
peo. p.l.e... .1 n.v.o. .1.. veda.n. d k..e. .f' '.ps eve. .rYbo.d. y. . really thinking about what's. going .on.
I guess t"'e. have c<?vere. everythi ngofficial here.
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Kubitz: Did you want o...Swedish... '
t'10ntgomery: O~, I'm slrry Jane. I knew there was something else.
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Kubitz: Did anybody esewatch Channel 17 on Tuesday night? They had an
excellent program on e der carei n Sweden. I t",ished I had had a pencl.! and
paper with m~so I CO'll d write thIngs down but afterwards I tried to
remember and put some ~tes down. And their goal is to keep all their
seniors in their homes ,just as long as possible and they have a pretty
terrific program. Of oUY'se Sweden has't,hat first degree health program,
which we don't have. rhen In the rural areas they have a, program where the
mailman comes. and he krocks on your door and you must answer the door or he
opens the doo~- to findlout if you're okay.' '
I can see our mailman doing that~
Kubitz: That',s what ,.r thought. It's going to take our mailman
long t.lme.,.' It's not l,ikego.ingin the car.. .but i'nthe' process
also serves as your ba~kerandgoodness knows what because each senior is
given 5.00 crona or t'-lha~e.ver it i..S a .month besides IrJhatever pension, t.hey
have and. they are greaL savers for their pensions~ When he comes with that
c.hec.,k o.r IrJh.ateve.' it .i~,..he .a..l..s.'o..serves as you.r ban.k.er and..S.O.. f.ortha...n......d..he'
cashes your check~ Heltakes your bills and goes over them with yo~ and
takes the money out of it hat and then he goes and pays your bills IrJithit.
I'm sure he doesn't dol that. I'm sure it must be through the post office
but it's aninterestln~ program.
AI-Jaff: Ho[.t.J many senliors does heseY'V'iCe?
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Kubitz: I have no ide~ but this is rural and .so I imagine
they don't have very rn1any if they 'r'egoingto do all this. They don't do
the number that our leltter carriers do. ShallL",e say it that way. Then"
they also have a progr~m to keep seniors in by a daycare center. Now they
showed this one woman who's husband had dimentia and ~hehas a part time
job. She vlor ks3 hours aweek.bra day in the daycare center which she's
paid for but. then her husband is put into a program Iimagi ne Ii keSoJourn ~..
But also every so often they keep him overnight on Friday or a weekend so
she has time off. Th1Y also keep him for 6 weeks while she takes a 6 weeks
vacation. j
Bragg: Restbit for tJe caregiver.
Kubitz: '. Yeah. And t~en when the seniors do need Dursl ng care,besides all
thes.e.home progyamst. at they .have.. that send somebody i~ for so many hours
in the >'ea~- or so man i days a week, if you need that help. Like. the
H".O.M.E. program . Rarer than put people i "to a :regular nursing home, they
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have a senior center that's ascrvice center,. Those ar,e built in shopping
areas where there is al lot of activity because they want theirsenioY's ".
active. The couple they showed ,the woman went dO~>Jn at least twice a ~.>Jee k
toa craft area where they did sev.Jing and handwork and the husband (,IJent to
awoo~working area. So,they keep active. They've got to keep doing
things. Also in that penter" you see they don 'twant you there any longer
t,han they can so they t.>Jork to get you back into y,our home and they maintain
your home on your". .. "roa Dursi ng home is.the last resort over' there.
t.Jhat they brought up i, the panelt-Jas that they hadn't mentioned for all
this care, they hadn't mentioned what we spend an awful lot of our health,
care money on is the really drastic, life preserving systems.Nbl;J~>Jhether
they have it oi didn'tl have it they didn't seem to'know~ ~utthat's wher~
a lot of our money goe~ is to that drastic care. Keep the vegetatble
going. . They also havefa progr~m which is the morning and night patrol. At
ni.ght ..there's. a pat.r.ol~comesand. ... eh. eck.s Y..ou. an..d m.ake.s suo ret.ha.t....every.t.h. i ng
is alright. Helps you get r'eady for bed . Medication. This sort of thing
and then they're off",a,dt:heyqo that and in the morning there's another
group that does the safne thi ngto make sure YOU' roe up anddressedand,get
bY'e. '.a.. k.. fast,. .8.. n.d. ever. yt.hi~n. g is. 0'r9. anized fO. r .y. ou. .'. All of t.hiS is. ..no......t....... pa.........id
'for. You pay accordin to your ability and it's like this onevlfth .
dimentia. That costs er 80 cronas which is not much of her 500 but each
one of these services~here is a charge for butit~s minimal and it's
according to your ability to pay. Very much like our H.O.t"l.E.' program.
Then they, had a, panel ~iscussion. Oh transportation and I think they said
buses wereifree tosentiors b0ttaxis or other forms of transportation was
on a 10\'J rate.
Heinlein: . W~ll I can'l. see that coming over here. '. , '. .
Montgomery: Not tomortow I guess. '. There wa~ an article in the pap.~last
night about, or J think it was yesterday about all of the new interest
apparently by the stat~in keeping the elderly in their home and r'.mnot
sure where ~hat, how that program money is available or just what but I
think it's worth lOOkilng into. See how that's coming down>>
Kubitz: Well aTter that part of it t.\Jas over they had a panel and there
~eY'e 5 or 6 people on ~t. I can.t. remember what all of them' wete. O~e of
t.hemt.>Jasa t.>Jomanwho ~.>Jlas a doctor of geriatrics. One was a represent:ati ve
v.Jbetber it was stateo!r Federal Trom Kansas.' A young fellov.J ~ Then there
was a seniort4./omanwho~."as on the Senior Legislature in California,
w~ate\jel that is and slhe~escr ibed the program t~eyhad out there t'Jith the
dlrectory a~d very muoh ll.ke H~O.M.E. care. A dlrectory referral and all
of that sort of thing.
r-10ntgomery: It,. sounds, Ii ke we're on the r ighttrack>>
Kubitz: Yeah. A lot IOf it hit home. Just what we're already
Ho..n.t.gom..ery: W,e1l I th1ink we have to close but. ~"e really thank you Jane.
That's really great.
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Kubitz: . They said th4 t>.,lay to
get them out of our co1ngress.
centers.
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Montgomery: t,Jell, ~"'e'r.e try iris,. Is thele a motion for
Sillison moved, 8einle~n seconded to adjourn
favor and the motion cbrried. / The meeting was adjourned
Submitted by Paul Krauls
Director
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