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1992 01 17 I CHANHASSEN .SENIOR COMM1SSION REGUL~RMEETING .. j ~\ JANUARY 17, 1992 Chairman Montgomery called the meeting to order at 9~3Q a.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Barb5ra Montgomery~ Betty Bragg~ Emma st. John, Howard~ Jane Kubitz~ SJlda Heinlein, and Bernice Billison STAFF. PRESENT: Paul Krauss~ Plan~ing Director; Sharmin AI-Jaff~ and Judy Colby, Senior'C~nter Program Coordinator Sherol Planner 1; OF AGENDA; Sa noted as presented. . I. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: 8il1ison moved. Howard seconded that the Minutes of theSenier Commission rrleetingdatedbecember 1.3, 1991 be approved as presented. All voted ~n favor and the motion carried. I I APPOINTMENT OF NEW SENIOR COMMISSION CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. Montgomery: As you kndw, according to our By-laws ~ every January we appoint a new Chairman land Vice Chair of the Commission; [, I nominate Barbara Montgomery to resume her post. j Kubitz: I second. .~ Heinlein moved, Kubitz seconded to appoint Barbara Montgomery as Chairman ofth.e Senior commiSSi..'J...n for 1992. All voted in favor and the motion carr ie<;t. I MontgO~ery~. Well I'm ~eallY verY humbled actually that yOU want me to do this a~other year. Thar.e are so many capable people around and I think any oneoflyouwould probaijly do~muchbetter job and I wish you were doing it.' However, if youwel.nt me to I wiLl continue with one reservation ahd that i$. if there is a I cha ngei n the ma ke--up or the structure of the Board or (jf 'lihe Commission.tthenI might want to reconsider the length of tIme. Withtrilat stipulation i will, accept. Alright the next item then is the electifn of the Vice ctairman.' , Kubitz~ I nominate Beity to keep on. st~ Jo~n: I second thlt motion~ KUbitz!moved,st..Johnlseconded to appoint Betty Bragg as Vice SenioriCommission for 1992. All voted in favor and the motion . '1 Br agg :.I,.'......X hav.e only on~ .mo'!". e year sol will continue then but my term ends attheiend of this nexf year. .' MontgO~erY: Thank you !Betty. You .have just been great. She has been .iiib-. great help . She's done a lot. I Just want everybody to know that and YOU ':IT all hao/e really. I th~nk you all for all your cooperation all during the \.( c;:, year. !Vou've been Just great . , il Kubitz~ That~s what we think of you. You''!"e too good to let go. I I i I I ~ e Senior Commission MeetL January 17, 1992 ~ pag~2 Mqntgomery: Oh thank Jou. One other thing that I just want-to~ention before I go on and tha~ is that we ,are also charged to read all of the By-laws each year and 10 see, refresh our memories on exactly what our function is. What our duties are and what our limitations are. r think we really need to do that and to remind ourselves that we are an advisory commission. We do not function as an operating board at this point. I think it's important tq bear that in mind and! think that staff has been very hel~ful in bringi~g things to us for our attention and the~'ve be~n very careful about dOii'g that and I think we need to pay a lot of attention to what they have to s y. Now with the new structure starting, I think we 'need to really review.1he By-laws and see if there's anything that you want to t'hink aboutchangin9' If you do, bring it up at the next meeting. Will you all do that? '. I UPDATE ON.CHANHASSEN SENIOR CENTER. MR. BERT HAGLUND. Bert Haglund: Well it ,is beenwhat, a morith since we met and I think a lot's been accomplished in the last month. I'm going to use the overhead over here. Does that ...~. IV. er headwor k? AI-Jaff: ves.1 Bert Haglund: Okay,g~. eat. And take a look at where we are now with the Pla.n.ni.n.g. I.. thin.k al.1 of Yo. u received a copy Of.. th.eMinu.t. .e..s. from ou.... r. last meeting and with ,that "s a copy of a floor plan that we, in concept at least talked about at ~hat meeting.. What I'd like to do is just put upon t~e overhead a copy o!lthat so we can take a look at where ~e were a~that tlme.I guess I'm 901~9 to be off ta~e when I'm over here lsthat rlght? Okay .At themeeti ng . e had come to a. 'discussion about leaving the stair in pla.ce, number one. .. And constructi n. g the toi lets over. at t.he. f.8.. r end of the space and alongsi e of that having the kitchen.. Leaving the. rest of t..h..l." s,. a.. rea. ...m.. or.....e. ... ope.n . an~ ina mo...r.e ..rectangu. .la. I' ..'ki. nd. of a. s.i.n.....g..1e 0.. p.en.,. .space rather than having kin of jigs and jogs and cut out type spaces. But having m6reof a singl ,open space feeling to the center. That we were able to '.dO by consolid9tingth. e t..oilets and the kitchen to the one. e.n. d. Then like I say leavind the stair in place. Now this plan'wasnotdrawn up like this at the meetiryg. We just talked,about more conceptually doing that and then after th~ meeting I went ahead and drafted thi~ up to make more understandable. So along with that what we have also shown is that the office, hlhich we hdd at ,onetime looked at being in this corner here, we ch.,ose t. 0... put. ..t.. he Of~.li. ceup to... .the r.e.ar away. fromth.e w. i.ndo... wwall.. so.. ...that again this space becom~s more of a l~rger, single open space that can provide a little bit m~re flexibility of how you might want to use .that . space.Sb we've been ble,tokeepthelargest single open area possible this way. Thete is, w have shown a folding wall that can be drawn and to diV. i.de ...t.he .s.pa.ce into ti~..wo se.ct.i.ons... s..o you c.an havetwo...act.iviti.es 90i.ng... on at the same time.Tha . was important. On theohe side of the folding ,. . wall,. the entrance sid where you'd come in through ihevestibule, that side would be carpeted~jBut then from that folding wall onward would be a vinyl floor so that at different arts and crafts and other types of things 'can' happen there and n t being on a carpeted floor. Howard: The traffic patterns would be better to be vinyl all the across the back where Reople wal k. .e/ -: Senior Commission January 17, 1992 - e Bert 8aglund: You e' . I I I Meet~n9 PagE[ 3 I meary through right here? Be9ause that carpet will wear very fast.;. I I Senior Commission Meetlng January 17, 1992 - PasEk 4 Bert Haglund: Sure. me just speak to yourcomm~nt just fOT a moment. We do have in this are~ here a sink and work counter for that to happen so we provided that. Andlthe folding wall I mentioned at this is this one here to divide this sp~ce into two but we'Ve. also shown a foldi ngwal Fhe!,e that could be drawn so I you could in fact isolate that cornerr ightthere . . onto itself. So th~t'an option~hat we've looked at beins able to do . here. No. And I saws. next to the library so.ifyou were Kubitz: No, you . Br~gg: I thought tf) Oh, I see. Bert. Haglund: So agai.themainelements of the plan the vestibule to be adfed onto the building so as you t.h.e. coa..t.' a.r...ea f..orstor.ge.. YOU'd. c.o...m..e i~, the office .WO.Ul..d. b.e.'. a.s. ....y.o..,u.....'first enter and there'd be a spot fora receptlon desk. 50meoneto be there to gree~ people as they ceme. There would be this large open space which we've shown a .. seating . ~rea in this corner which is more, I'll. calF itki nd of ,a mi ni-lounge., Sofj: seati ng. Not foldi ng chairs but with a table and end table,; You can haye that near the window. Then yoU have the large open space whereI'vf3 $hown here a 'table arrangement of3x3 card tables. That's showing s~atingl48 people the way I've drawn ~hat. . Then the folding wall with the abilit.y to close these off. The kitchen here would have a, pass t.h~oughor a serv~ng counter which could have a shudder that you'd pull down toelose that off bu~ you could open that up so that you could se..r.ve. .from. ...th.e. ki t. Chen. II If. . t. hi.S .i.O. o. m.. her;ie wer. e CIO.. sed O.f,.f Wi.th.....the... ....f...Oldi ng walls, that kitchen is still accessible from the other space and that was .omething we talked abut. 50 when that room~as closed off. that it . wouldn't be like youw~re closing off the kitchen too. 50 that's st.ill a?cess~ble as well as the toilets being accessibl~. And then of course the slnk llke we talked abbut here,. Th6se are the maln features of the plan. We have added a door h~r~ at ~he front of the building t6 replace wha~'s now a windows.e.ction..'IThat.would. ..b.e.. a..n.. exit. door on.lY... That. WOU.ldbe.. an. emergency exit door ontY. It wouldn't be for coming in and out of the building. Along with this we're looking at, it's not shown here but this door up here.isthedoor that goes now from the library into the little corridor that comes ba~k to the space . We are showl ng adding a door here ~fromthe librayy as thtir second means of exit.ing.They need t.o have a way to get back throughthls part of the building. Rather than having them use this, simply putting a door here close to this exit door here. Therefore we can take this whole space,and have it be used for storage. Rather than having part of that be a corridor, we get rid of that and we recaptur~ that space for use of stora e and that would become, part of that would' become senior center storage. Because we're actually creating more storage space by doi ng that. 50 we ~ i etrying ,to be as efficient as we can with the floor square footage that we have. Okay? . , I Senior Commission Meetlns January 17, 1992 - pagt 5 Does this htve anything to do with where Well, are you referring to thi~ door St. John: No, where the vestibule is. Is that the , I . . Bert Haglund: Yeah, that's right. , I St. John: How would we get to that from wherever the parking lot is1 i Bert Haglund: Well r i~ht now, if you know that Coulter Dr Ive runs out in front here and there'slasid~walk along CoulterD~ive and that ~idewalk comes up and thenintolthI!endof the building. That will remain on,a' short term . That 'SgO~ ng to stay just like it is. The parking lot for the library is over atthi~ end and that's going to stay lik~ that is on the short, term. . ..' I . ' St. JoHn: Isn't that ~treet going to be cloied? Bert Haglund: Well ev~ntuallY itMill but when I " " - .- - ,- - I I'm....talking ab. o~t what.f Krauss: It'will be 3 to 5 years. S't. John: Right now ylu ca'n park on Coulter Drive too. Krauss: Yes, you wi 11lbe able to park. And if the City proceeds wi th the City Centerpark...Coulter Drive W.ill be taken. out. However, there will be .n additional parking lot.. The current plan anyway shows an additional par ki ng lot right off the south end of this one. It isn't ideal. You still J have to waI kfrorthis parking lot,arou nd to the, entrance. .. Ifw.e had our druthers there'd be another parking lot over there but when that happens, when Coulter Prive is closed, it's probably going to happen at the same time. ..new library and we'll move them out and... John: I was j~str~ncerned of the dist'lnce to wherjtver Krauss: It's not perfect. Maybe we can look at doing things like posting a no parking drop off $pot on the sidewalk closest to the door. Because most of the time the street is open and if peopl~ carpool... ~t. John: Okay. That doesn't have anything to do with the floor plan. was Just concerned. Bert Haglund: It's anlimportant point though because it's part of the whole senior center. Y~I our access. How convenient is it to get to and so forth and on the short term, like Paul said, it's not going to be ideal because Coulter Drive .s going to still be there and the parking lot's going to be'at that en. So on the short term at least there's that limitation but later o~ that will change. I would like to say that since this was drawn, we've r.ad a chance now to talk further with the Fire Marshall and the Build~ng Inspector and I have a slight variation of It It It / Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 6 e this grouping is right here at the end. I'd like to show that to you. Okay you each have a copy of this but I'll be showing it on the overhead here too. Everything about this is the same except for how the kitchen and toilet grouping here is arranged. From an exiting staridpoint, when the folding walls. are pulled and we're actually creating that room off to the side,here, ~e needed to take a look at well, when that happens then how does ,the exiting from the spaces occur? And what we've done here isereate a loop so that you can access the toilets from either this side or from this side . And that when this is pulled, it's easier for people for wherever they are back here, they can go this way to get out of the building or they Qan gathis way to get out of the building. 'In other words they always have a choice of going two different ways to exit in case of an emerg~ncy. The other thing that this has done is jGst from a construction standpoint; it groups the plumbing more. It 6roups those spaces together where we have the sink and the toilets and that seems to - - -,,' ,-,' :-) work a l'ittle better also so this seemed to be a little refinement that after we met,with the building inspector that this seems to justwoik a little bit better. Everything else about the plan is the same. St. John: All you do is lose so~e counter space there. Bert Haglund: Yeah, that's right. . There was a little bit of here. This still is~bout. that's at least a 6 foot length. length of counterwhic'h is still a fairly good work space. e Montgomery: I remember one concern that the Eden prairie people mentioned and that was that the ventilation at one end of the building where the seating, just the sofas and TV's are was in~dequate because it was at end of the duct. I just wanted to mention that as a thought. Yes. This space, because it's not finished yet. It's just anopen~ unfinished space. We will need to be putting in new ductwork and the system will In essence be a new system. And so I'm glad you mentioned that because we need to make sure that we are here for instance in the toilets~nd the kitchen we have specific exhausting and ventilation needs but we want to make sure that the ,rest of the space also has adequate air movements so you don't have a problem. Are there any other.questiens about theplari? This is at this point we've come to this and this seems to satisfy". lei of different needs. It seems to make sense from, a constructio~ standpoint. I'm very pleased. I think a lot's been accompli~hed, like I said in the last month. , A lot has been considered. I can just see hard to'do that. Kubitz: I think it looks excellent. Tha~'s a considerable savings when... , e BertHaglun~: Yes it is. I Colby: Sherol brought something up to me the other day about, is >'thatthe ',' storage area...? , (~*Judy Colby was too far away fro~ comments wereh't being picked upon Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 7 e B~rt Haglund: That storage area will be shared. M6ntgomery: By the Bert Haglund: (Yeah. They are using some of that now and they wi 11 need continue touse~someof that but that space, we're going to be creating more available storage space there and so the idea is that some of that room will be for the seniors and some of that will still be for the library. Bragg: You will need to have a space to store the tables and chairs if you use it for different ways: Bert Haglund:) Yeah. That bi~ in negotiation Montgomery: That's going to take,a while. Colby: ** Heinlein: The tables ~re ~hat? They're regular. e Kubitz: No. Card tables are. Heinlein: No, I'm talking about the long tables that they were talking about. Kubitz: They 1 isted 4 x e or som'ethi ng. Bert Haglund: You can get the tables through here. That's not a problem. Colby: On that cart. Heinlein: Well you don't need to pull out the cart. You would just pull out the tables and fold them out. That's what the fellas do.. We just take the tables off of the carts that they're stored on because the legs collapse urider them. Bert Haglund: One thing that we are looking at, aFldthat is underneath the landing hereof the stair,we maybei3.ble to get some use for that space underneath that landing. I~'s not full height like the room but it's lower but i~ may be enough space so you could, by having an acbess door here. I Heinlein: That would be sufficient I'm sure. 8ert-Haglund: And pu.t the carts straight e Montgomery: It's be a lot 6asier. 8ertHaglu.nd: Yeah, and we're hoping that that's haven't shown it he~e because there's that but that's something that we're senior Commissio~ Meeting January 17, 1992 .,- Pi?ge 8 e would be really convenient. Well our next step here is if this pIa nis appr00ed by the Commission we would like to, in order to keep~schedule moving, get authorization to continue on and develo~the plans now in detail so that in the next few weeks we could put the final> plans and speci f icationstogether that would then get bid. We'd of course, becoming back to you to review that but in order to keep the move on here wIth the schedule, that's something'that if you're comfortable, we'd like to do today. Montgomery: Okay. Does anybody have any decide then'? Not;..I think they've thought of everything. Montgomery: They've really been very thorough. Anybody else? Alright, would somebody like to make amotion? / Bragg: Is6movethat ,we accept this plan as it Howard: I second the motion. Montgomery: It's been moved and seconded that we accept the plan as it stands on the January 17th,site plan~nd presentation. Bragg moved, Howard seconded that the Senior Commission accept the planas presented by EOS Architects for the Senior Center construction. All voted in favor and the motion carried~ e Colby: Over the holidays...Isent you all a listing of.~.possible programs and thought we'd doa mailing for all the seniors in Chanhassen and ask for your comments on that. We took that list and gave it to the same firm that did the initial survey for you a year and a half ago and asked theJr opinion lof it and this is what came back. What was presentedtorne was, , please d6n't spas out. That's~hat she said to me because it's real , different from what we were thinking of doing. She's just really, but her reasoning for not making a list was to prioritize . When you 'relooking at this and you've got this whole list of activities andwe~ve separated...I have to remember by whether it's crafts. Whether it's services.needed. Whether it's educational or physical excercise and then in those categories you can priorItize what yo'u want. 'And as you sit down and do that, her concern w~s that the number that we'd get back, we might ge~one or two checks in each area. So what we ,would have is justa real diverse group of, r want to take knitting or I want to take crocheting. We might have, 2 that want to do bowling and 2 that want to do swimming and then what do we have? And that's a very good point. So what she thought would be and what she found out is the better way to survey is what people have been doing because it's sort of like your goals for 1992. Every January we often say, we make these goals but what you think you might be doing4nd wh~t you ,have done in 'the past are two different things. What you have done i nthe past 99'~f the time is what you will do in the future. So with that she has done this survey byaski ngwhat have you done. Have you io .. for 55 and \ Commission Meeting 17~1992 - Page 9 e older. Have you used ~ in the last year ~ used adult educational' classes or a rec~eation~l craft class. Not speclfically have you done the~..~But I think on this survey we're gbingtofind out an awful lot more about who we're going to have he'lpi ngas far as transportation . What needs are out there for people to be transported. Another one we got into was congregate di ni ng. or someki ndof dining because that seemed to be a r.eal strong indicator on the last survey and at this point our plan is not to have congregate dining. But I have talked with some other centers that it~s a pretty good idea that you maybe closome kind of dining. !twon~t be as expensive ~i the congregate but not too expensive either if we get catering. Ifthat~s a really strong desire and we find out that a large percentage of the seniors would like to have a dining facility and we say nOT ightaway ~what . message is thatgivi ng to seniors. . . to your. needs,? So I really am plea~ed with the way this turned out. I also am excited about the thought that it~s going to get people excited about the center. It~s PRo It talks about sending this out. and then within a very short time saying now hi:ilre~s some of the current plans that we ~re dol ng. . Have a . . . listing of what we ~re doing. The. same people would receive this. . And then have a third mailing saying ~hatwe found out from the survey. SOiYou're getting information from ~s...but I~d appreci.te your comments. I Bragg: I~dlike to comment already. On page2~ the think that's a very~ very good. question. e Colby: Ri!;lht and .item 5~ the way we~re trying to lay this out. . We about the layout oT this because number 7 i tasks for the specifics related to number 6. It was on separate pages before. But number 5 they~re.- saying~ what did you actually participate 'in so we can see what they have checked for number 5. What they have checked that they actually have ~articipated in. Then what would you l~ke and what would youuie next year and then any specifics that they want to write down so if they were working with a hot item they can list it there. I think these are crosschecks for one -another. What you ~ve gone and if I see a list of crafts.. .10 of them that. I 'dwant to do ~ 'then how much time do you really have to do them. So if. you~re someone trying to do these plans and maybe you~re not~. .real indicators too. . /e Bragg: Yeah it just tells what you asked for and the other survey only has it all grouped appropriately. I know I felt when I was checking through that so many of them were repeated in certain ~ays and I didn~t know if I had to go back and rearrange my number i ngorde'r or what? So this is much more appropriate and it will get what you want.from it. Colby: It is hard to prioritize but we would like to make it' as simple as possible. The layoutwe~re talking about doing is one sheet of paper that you would then~ it~s just.foldedin the middle. . It's 4 pagesbutit~sa little bookle.t. . What we also talked about doing' if it would be okay with the com~ission is to, haye you use this form that I passed out to you to a 'typicalChanhassen senior. You're not typical. You~ve been working on this~ .you've been talking about this for a year and you've been real~ real involved. What you say is very important but it isn~ttypical. Give it to i somebodywho~snot bee,n involved.. .doesn ~ t know any of the' discussions we~ve had and see how they respond to the letters and then! would like to personally t~lkto each of those people because they might say well you' Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 10 A "W'" missjd this or I didn't understand this at all. To us it makes sense because we've been working on it and thinking about it. . Somebody else might go, I couldn't figure out what ~o write there. So if you w6uldn't mind.~.knowsomeone, when we're talking about.. .even though a lot of the seniors are si ngle. In case there ar'e two in the family,' we don't want one returned. We want both of them to fill out their perspective... Or maybe if they do it all wrong and have to start o\ler~ '..Kubi tz: A comment I have is, that I ~ould like to sometime I can't think of anything that's been left out. e Colby: And that's why number 6 is what you would like to do. mark those down. What they're saying is when they co~e back to those people a lot of, ~nd this might not be the case~ithseniors. It mightbei because maYbe there is a little more time available but whattheySre saying, when people say yeah, this is what I want and they offered it, it didn't happen. Jerry can probably attest to that more than ~nyone. So here we 're saying, what .did youdoi n the last year.. What would you like to ~o in the future and then they answer specifically. The nice thing about this also is that she's coding, you can see the numbers. This is all going to be coded so they can be put into a database and she said'wecan pull from this all kinds of information. By where a person lives, transportalion. There's a lot of different things we can pull from this. That too, number 7 you have somebody answering specifics. We ,would ,have to haVe a program...all tho$~specifics or track those down. Thi~ is the only one where we've asked for them to write out ari answer. Everything else is multiple choice. Montgomery: Has she used ~his before? This same instrument anywheye? Colby: saying. , It's nourilike the one that was sent out, I'm not The initial survey sent out differerit questions. Montgomery: No,I,Just wondered if they she used it with or what the response had been. Colby: No. She really pulled this from our survey and ~rom talking about whit I would like to know to try and set up programs. So some of these questions I think had been asked in the ~ast a year and a h~lf ago. Maybe not quite in the same way and so she said what that's going to do iseithe~ confirm that thosewer~accurate answers or ~ay things have changed in that year and a half and here's the response to it. Montgom~ry: I think it's really well done myself. e Colby: And how do you fejl about handing that out to a them fill it out? Heinlein: There's one couple in our buildingt~at are seniors. Otherlthan that, 'well ~here's two of there actually. I think they would answer. At least the wife would in the one case. I don't know about. Senior Commission Meeting January 17,1~92 - P~ge 11 e Montgomery:'Judy, would you like a recommendation from Colby: ...you. see also on the survey, they didn't have a name and '8utwe did attach on the back and these are, this is typed 3 up so ,this would be a third of a. page that would be attached to the survey and it's in case they are interested in doing any volunteer. And we're asking to either include it in the survey or theY can send it back separately if . want to remain anonymous on the survey. But saying\ I'm interested In volunteer opportunities at the centera.nd asking if they want to be on a mailing list basically. So we can clean up the list that we currently have and yes, I would Ii ke to... Montgomery: Okay. Do they havet.o put stamps on this or is that postage free? Would a week be enough time to get Colby: We're going to have postage paid envelopes...and sending out first class... Montgomery: Any other comments? Sharmin or Paul?, Krauss: No. we'fe very satisfied ~ith it. Montgomery: Would somebody like to make a motion send this survey out. e, St. ,John: I so move. Billison: I second. Montgomery: It's been moved and seconded that we presented by Judy Marshek. MaYbe all we can do is try. Bragg: A lot of people are going, those who Montgomery: After today they'll all leave. Howard: You want each'of us to get one of these filled that the idea? , Right. Use that one... Krauss: And ask them what t.hei~ reaction is? If they're telling you that it's too long or it's tough to read or you're pryi ng or whatever their' reactiori is. That's the important part. e Colby: Or else I would be glad, if you just w~nt to do that and I'd be glad to talk to each,one myself.. .so they can verbalize tome what ,reactions are. I don't want them to think about analyz{ngthisas writing. this out. I want them to fill this out and then !'ll'talk SENIOR CENTER OPENING. Senior Commission Meeting January 17~ 1992 - Page 12 e them.. .because otherwise they~re going to be analyzing answeri~g the questions. St. .John moved, Billison seconded to send out the survey on programming for the Senior Center as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. It Colby: One of the points that we~ve wanted to stress to get the publicity and awareness out into the community that the senior center is going to be here and active and hopefully meeting a lot of the needs, of. the community. I think thesprvey is a way to st.art that .We have been talking about trying to have .a .few eve'nts prior to opening and I would like .tobounceoff a couple idea~. I~vemet a number of different times now with Seni6r CommUnity Services and talked with some of the other centers as to their feelings about what would be a strong, e~citing program for even before the center exists.' I thinkwhatwe~re talking a~out,just because of space is maybe talking about doing lunches or continental breakfasts with a speaker ~aybe on taxes because that's kind o~ timely right now. We could ~o an exercise class. We realize how nieethe...one conference room here so that would be one place to exercise. I don't know if that's a wise thing to set up before we have the center. I think that~ I'm not sure. I'd like your feedback on that but what I would like to do is have coffee and donuts or coffee and. cookies, invitIng the seniors to come and seethe center and hear our plans. Maybe h*ve Paul the architect here and let'tMemeomeand just. a little open house and i fwecan do that ~ I would love 'to have it in the center before it's starts. Before it's built. So they can come into that space and seethe space because it's a wonderfUl space with the windows ~nd that and I think it's kind of nice to be able.to. I've never seen it. Colby: Maybe we should do that. today. Kubitz: I think that's a nice idea of ha~ing them in there done. Colby: Before it's finished 'so they... Kubitz: What the pla~sof what it's going Montgomery: Sort of a sense of ownership. e Colby: ...Screening. That seems to be, cholesterol, diabetes. That seems to be a strong draw t.othe center. Seniors like. .that.. It is amazing since I got this job what has happened.. I' mean no matter where .I am, people. start tal ki ngabout, I brought my kids to piano and Diane Ferditis a,sked if there'd bea senior choir. she always wanted to lead a senior choir. She ~ s just a wonderful , wonderful, woman. The other day at b&sketball with my son and pat. parissenen I think it is int.roduced herself and we were chat.ting and she said what are reading and I got a'boo~ 6n....and it's a wonderful book about what's happening to the aging and I was reading that. And she started talking about all of the things that they're doing and herPR Person. I mean there's so much around 1 Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 13 e that you'ye kind of going, okay we don't have a center,. What fits so I think some of those screenings would be real easy to do and bring people in.! almost feel like we should always do something with coffee and cookies for that homey feeling...speakers around a lunch or whatever. Montgomery: I was just thinking give them the cookies after the diabetes screening. Colby: Book of the Month Club is, and I guess that's kind of onE? of my love's and I t.lkedto...but I've talked to a few seniors who said they would be real Interested in getting into.~.that would be real aasyto start without having a center. ' Have a room here and once a month sit down aver coffee and that.. .communit.y educationt.hat would be i nterestedi n running that. She could only do it in the evenings so I'm not cert~in if that ,would. nbut I'm kind ofcuriousar.ound where we 're ~oi ng t.o get our response to. People coming in the evenings or coming in the daytime... Bragg: South Shore hassomet.hing kind of, is it Discovery? Once a week I think it Is. They get together .nd they'havea structured reading assignment ,and it's a disc0ssion ~roup about whatever was covered in t.he readinss. It causes memdries, reminisenoe as well as discussion. Do any of you go to that? ' e Kubitz: No, but! was going to ask you, what reading? Bragg: I think it's all structured bYSOffieone. It'ssomet.hing they bought and then they got a woman who's retired from the Wayzata Schools as a principle over there who does the leading and she researches everything and I guess that's the' secret..' Who you get to be the leader. But ~here's a lot of interest In it. ' Colby: So there's strong participation in that? Colby: More like current event.s? Maybe Bragg: Very strong particip~tion. Well yo~ were Book Club. It's a little different. B,agg:They have a sYllabus that structUres and the participants and the~ the leader has done more research andbrinQs out more. St.John.: Vi, Tendle is the one who's In charge. The leader of Bragg: And that shows you that works. I suppose it's like Bible study in away. They have certain readings and they 'ref,.eeto. come away with, whether the)lwere ,confirmed or. not, I don't mean confirmed from church. - Kubitz: ...what that program is before I say yes or no. Colby: I wonder if I should...offer that in the daytime. ..' St~ John: It'i always on Tuesday. Senier Cemmissien Meeting Jahuary 17, 1992 - Page 14 Bragg: I think it's Menday.. Montgomery: Well maybe you can check with Jo Ann and ~ee had. in ether centers too. It sounds like a good idea. Colby: Okay, some other. The ice palace. There was some interested shown to go oVer 'to st. Paul Winter.Carnival and see thei~e palace~ I~alled around and a number of centers are, do! ng 'that. It's ~ .. remarkable. Everybody wants to go see the ice palace. There was one in Minneapelis that Jane you had, given me the name. What they could do for $5.,00 was arrange a day over therewith lunch and "everything fer $5.00." But what happened is they made reservations. Landmark Center offered free lunches foi senierday and th~t group is set up for 200 lunches ~nd they lost the letter., So all of these people; they had 250 people signed up. Putin $S;OO(togo there and ne lunch. st. John: ,South Shore has a trip going the 27th. Colby: ...a~d what I was planning on doing there was hook on with. South ~horeand just have a grdup~b over and have lunch with them and they filled their bus. St. John: At the center. St. John: For $4.00. ,e Colby: Fer $4.00. Bragg: No lunch.' Colby: So if you thi nk there's interest there, I can...a note in Thursday ~s paper because ,the timing is now so tight but we could get ,a bus and go in ,the morni ng. ,Most of them are going in the afternoon.'. .senior day and it seems likeMinnetenka~s get awaiting lista'nd a bus going over. If you wanted to ,if you think we could get like 40 peoplethat<would slign up for that with 'Only 'One ad in the paper, that would be next. Thursday. If we,could get 40 people to go the following week and set it up towards the end of that week ,I'd be glad to get a bus. I thought maybe ,we could go at Ii ke9 :30 in the morning . , Just for the bus ride over, go onto the island. Seethe palace. Maybe the bus will go Rice Park to seethe sculptures but not really participate there and then come back and we could arrange some. kind of luncheon just in this area ,so we dOn't have to pay for;thebus again., Maybe ~et Southwest Metro to get us home from the lunch. I'd be glad to try and arrange that if you think we could d6 that in that short ,period of time. Mo~tgomery: How about you Todd. Do you think there would ei Ruegemer: I think ,we could get some people from ~hanhassen... Colby:' The 50 .people that are on the wait! ng list ,at Minnetonka, if we dtdn't fill it up we could call them and ask if they wanted to join us. Colby: I'll put an ad in the paper then that week like a Friday which would be. Senior Commis~ion Me_ting January 17, 1992 '- Page 15 Well if you try arid it doesn't fly~ then what? St. John: Would they get their pape/ron time? Colby: They get their paper next Thursd~y. ~ St. John: We don't get it until Saturdays and sometimes'Mondays. I cannot understand the W~conia paper is dated on Thursday. I always get it~n that Thursday and 'the Chanhassen paper is' always late. And the Excelsior, Post Office says they can't do anything. They're the ones that are holding it up. They say it comes 1n late. St. John: rnotherwords, . if r went in there on Thun~day paper they could give it to me? It's there? Tom: Yeah" they won't release it to you. Montgomery: Is there any other way' of publicizing it besides Is it in the Excelsior Post Office on Thursday? Kubitz: Because you can call them in the morning your mail and then go pick it up because I do there and yOU' get it. Krauss: Maybe Judy can go over there to make an announcement at the senior Club too and we can reach 40 people ever there. Montgomery: Do they haveanythirig that would be know? Is there anything scheduled?, Colby: What we're talking about is getting a notice [nthe paper on Thursdaythe'23rd and going to the ice palace on friday, the 31st. 31st_ Selda, do you know of anything gOing on with the card club? \ .' . Colby: On the 31st? Heinlein: Not.on P~iday. St.John: Then you wouldn't have to worry about ine Excelsior address. If yop~anted to do that. Montgomery: Then you'd have a week. e St. John: There's a trip,down to the Target C~nterfor st. John~ On th~ 31st. Senior Commission Meeting January 17,1992 - Pag~ 16 Colby: Is that the Ice Capad~s you're going to? St~ ~ohn: Yes. But~ou could probably pick involved ovel! there which would be good too. center is opening and trying to do something You might pick up a lot of people. Colby: ! would hate to compete with South Shore if ~oing to that Ice Capades. up enough p~ople ~hat are not For finding out that the even before it. is ready to go. rfthey're ooing they're going. Bragg: That's already filled up. Bragg: . Sure. e Colby: But what I~m saying is that...ice palace. St. John: There might have been some that didn't get on the bus on the 27th to go to the ice palace.andare not goIng to the icecapades and would want to go with Chan on the 31st. HeinleIn: .1 don't knowhow man~ seniors we" have ~n our .congregation but! just got a thought. I couLd have the .pastor' announce it or have it put in t~ebulletin. . Colby: ! think we're goIng to belate On the bulletin (There was a tape change at this point in the discussion~) Colby: ...so would ;oube interested in me getting us involved We.'d have to getpronouncer and judges. Bragg: South Shore invited retired principles of grade schools in the area and it was a bigsuc6ess because the pronouncer was a ~enior retIred and everybody participated and I think everybody got a big kick out of it. St. John: The ~ronouncerwas ~ retired teacher. the Discovery class. Colby: Should we go for that t~en? And Medtronic is sponsoring remininscing for seniors. Teaching them how to re~inihsce. to bea training the end of January at 9:30 on January 30th at MinnetonkaCenter.Are any of you interested in that? If any of you are interested and personally at this point...Mi~netonka to go for the. but other than that you might want to hold off on that unti 1 next'. know you may be traiMing later on for next year. .Montgomery: Maybe if any of you w~nt to contact Judy. e Think about it. Colby: The response of the seniors that :Howard: Learning to reminisce? Senior Commission Me~ting January 17, 1992 - Page L7 .e Colby: LeaTning how to present it.so that the children can understand what you're talking about. A lot of seniors that. HowaTd: OhI see. For seniors to present. to young people. Bragg: I could tell. you a little bit about that. You go t~ wOTkshops and they teach you how tO,present yourself. The schools decide what they want to do and it fits into their social st~di~s cirriculum.' So far the 2nd and 3rdgrade teachers are all enthusiastic about i tand they have a list of units where they think reminiscence might be helpful. Maybe it's on World War II. Maybe it's on foods. You know it's a var~ety of things and then you decide what is interesting to you and you ha0e learned yoU can't getup there and go ooh andah. You have to have a , you know how, 2nd and 3rd grader~ are. They're not going to beverypa~ient with you but if you can put yourself across ,it goes very well., Asa Girl Scout leader I did this \t.Jhen, I had Brownies and it was a' very big success.. Very big. One of the best things we did . Colby: ...wonderful opportunity for the children. But you're right...~eal frustration if you get into a class that.. .controlled. $0 what my plan would beright now, attempti ng to get someone as far as a tax class or 'financial seminar? To have that prIor to the center opening. . To have an open house with a pre-center and show the plans and maybe have Paul talk. , Get the t1ayor there. Arrange a Book a M.onth Club. I' 11 talk with. ,'. Those 3 things for certain p~lor to the opening. Would you like me to try and get~omescreening done? Health screening. . Montgomery: How much oT;a response do they get of people show up for that stuff? St. John: Yes. Montgomery: Well miaybe we need to .try it. ,e " Bragg: -But you need to have your center ready for that. I mean they break it up into about 4,or 5 groups. Some gote say Booth 11 or Sooth 15 and you have to have a hospital that's willing to send people over and that sort of thing. Montgomery: Maybe that's a little advance. Colby: That's kind of how I felt just because I would like them to feel comfortable with the cente,r... Maybe we' 11 hold off on that. What about the exercises'? Heinlein: That's another questionable thing. Colby: Wait until the center goe~ in? 'e Heinlein: I would think so. Colby: One real eXCiting thing happened and I'm hoping it's exciting is when I toJas tal ki ng to Community Education, the County is' goi ng to sponsor a Senior Expo in May. . Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 18 -- Bragg: They called me about that and I w,as going to, I askedSherol 'if she had had any calls. They asked for opiniOns and they had quite a few wide ranging t'hings of where they should have it. What sprt of thi ngsdid' I think would go over and should they have lunch of coffee or something. And they gave several options of where they would do this. And that's because Sherol and I are on their Board. We'll keep in touch. ' Colby: ....X thought that would be a gy-eat , I mean that's going to May... I thought for a Grand Opening, there'sso many groups. ..we have a Senior Expo her,e and what publicity that would be. Bragg: Yes~ Never thoughtabbut that. ,That wasn't one of the PPtlons they gave me. They just said the Arboretum or the center over in Jonathan where they have their meetings and that was about it. Those two. ~ell both of those have large auditorium facilities and all of that st~ff~ .. e Colby: That's what, she said would it be large enough? tell me how many would you assume would be coming and she saidtt.Je had a business expo. We, had about. 100 people come. She said! think for a senior expo it'd be about 50. . 1 thought why would you put onanexpo for 50. I can't believe there'd be that few so it might be a problem that our space isn't large enough but if they think it is. I think it would be Just wonderful. I 'm going to meet with, them on Monday and I'] 1 show them the plans. Montgomery: Yeah, maybe find out about the space. ' Colby: rthink that that'wo~ld be just great for that month. ~ragg: Introduce our center to the whole county. Montgo~ery: Right. That'd be $;ireat. Colby: And lots of other things but they're all going to be after the center opens. It's a l~ttleprematureto talk about some of the ideas right 'now . !' 11 go aheacland plan that bus and should! try to arrange some kind of luncheon afterwards then? It would be $4.00 for the bus and Iill find out ~herewe can go afterwards. , ,Montgomery: Maybe you c6uld look into it. Bi11ison: Maybe have something catered. Montgomery: r don't know where you put that. Unless restaurant or something. Colby: Well I'll look into it. tit St. John: Then they would have to have transportation after the luncheon. Colby: What I would . there and seeing,the S~niorCommissionMeeting January 17, 1992 - Page 19 e lunch will be and then maybe arrange with SouthwestMetro. directly home from the restaurant. I think we want to be awfully careful that we don't take ori more than we can do because we are setting our image here. I don't like to see us take on something that we're going to have difficulty Howard: I think it would be fine not to have the luncheon.' bus. First part of it.' Colby: You know what I can do is tal kwi th the Dinner' Theatre or something and see if for those who would be interested, that they're going to have a special area set up if you want to have lunch afterwards and then just kind of ,whether they want to or not. t1aybe you 're right~ I am concerned about that too. That's why we're so tight on the schedule. I am con<;::erned about., Idon't"oJant/our first few things to be... Heinlein: What are the . lunches from the deli up here? Box lunches. What do'they charge for those? e , st. John: But then where would you go to eat them? Krauss: I think'they're:about $5.00 a piece. But then t.hem .on the bus. Montgomery: 1 don't know~ I t.hink the food part difficult. Krauss: Unless there's a room gets a littlet6ugh because it 35. minutes back. I suppose if outside more than an hour. in a restaurant somewhere. The logistics takes about 35 minut.es to get. over there. it's cold nobody'sgoing to want to be , ,-, /-" Colby: The what? Montgomery: The food part sounds complicated. AI-Jaff: Ahn-Le has a buffet. Bragg: ! don't think they're even going to let people out of the very long from, what! 've been told., Hei nlei n: It,'sgoi"g to be bitter cold next week from what they're talking. Also for theSup.erBowl from what I heard this morning. St~ John: ! think it 1s a good idea for introducing activities at the center to have this before but I think we should just go with the bus itself. It Kubitz: Yeah and then if anybody wants to group off and together. ' Montgomery: Well thank you for doing that. That gives usa stuff coming up . Anything else you wanted to bring up? Are I was, going to say. Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 20 e Judy is there anything else yOU wanted to bring up? N6, I'm done. Krauss: We're so organized we haven't decided who~s It I didn't understand you Paul. What did you say? Krauss:, I'm not sure who'i goihg to d~ this. I'd almost llketo defer it , , to Judy. and Sharmi n because they were' able to sl t in on a meeti ng that some of you were at with the woman who runs the Mound center and had <sorTIe very good ideas. My concern in. setting these things up, just to set the stage and maybe then Judy can take oVa,r, is where a smallgyoup working!n the context of. You work to make recommendationsdi rectlyto the City. Council. CIty Council's tend to be a little bit leery about a lot of groups running around doing city functIons that aren't directly tied into them somehow. They like ,to have that feedback and I think they're verycomfortablew.ith you. With the Senior Commission so my concern in setting these foundations up and non-profits is, we've looked at a lot of different .models. You have . the City Council here. You have the Senior Commission here and then YOLl kind of branch off and you have a foundation getting money. You have a group saying how to run the Senior' Center and my concern is that Ldon't want to see this turn into too much of an octopus. This is nota city of 50,000 people. Wi'ret.lkingabouta relatively small center. We're talking about a relatively tight knit community and I think the tighter we can make this operate, the more comfortable the City Council's going to be and better it's going to be. With that, Judy why don't you give some idea of the kind of things you heard on, was it last Wednesday. In the dis6ussion ~ith the woman from Mound. . e Colby: One of the first Jobs that JoAnnKvern told me I should get right away is developing an Advisory 80ard. So we kind of were talking about. who should be on this Board. We wanted businessmen. We wanted... from the senior Commission. We wantedinaybe church representation. I saw one idea someplace of having a youth representative which rthought was a gieat idea. Have thei~ input and how they could help us. Then we ~tarted tal ki ngabout,.. how would this group. wor k . with the. Commission. . Who reports to whom and who has the authority to decide what and then we started . . :thinki n9 about the group of seniors that have their Board in the card club. Over at the school. . I've had twoopportuni ties, last night and a week ago to talk to the other center directors and they said whatever you do,and it was amazing how many centers start off with, there was a group here and a group here, how many cities had an advisory group of seniors get together and look at Buffalo did that and decide what the far reaching pla~swere for the senior and for developing that center. They said you do not want to have two groups of people. . You want one group that is overseer of the whole plah. Then there's the need of the center for a working board" ,you know so now, and 8aybara and I talked a little bit about this because We'l"e .real concerned. We're :talkingabout doing a housing study and there's a Senior Commission Meeting. January 17,1992 - Page 21 e lot of thi ngs i nvol ved. .. .but this would not be wor ki ng on the day to day activities of the center. .But it would begetting a lot of input ,feedback into what is happening there and what is going to happen there. Then we started talking about the, foundation and we need to get a group headil'1g up- this foundation. You can jUst kind ~f see what's happened over the last couple of weeks. We're Just getting overwhelmed and we're going to have all these boards . Octcppus. Colby: And I don't even want to'do that. I think we do want to try, and ,then legally can we expand the Commission. I mean that's something the Cit~ Council set up. C~n we legally do this? Expand the commission So ther.are more members so they can handle the responsibilities and have subcommittees. I don't know. Howard: Judy, I think we should separate the duties of the ~ommission from all these other duties. Now the housing study would come under our realm I would think. e Colby~ That's why I p~ssed this oui. It's interesting that Barbara asked us to look at the 8y-laws for the Commission and it's real interesting to look at t.hese.two By-lelws for the cente'r adviso'rY board. The 80ard 6f Directors for the Center of Minnetonkaand Buffalobec~use they :really, they're different but boy, they're kind of saying the same thing. And I didn't mean to interrupt youSherol, sorry. Howard: I simply think the commission should stay as it is and do it's own duties and the center, weare through with the center because once it's established it has nothing t.o 'do with ,the commission. Isn't this right? Krauss: Well yes and no. Keep in mind you're the only organized Board t.hat'8 been established bY the City Council to deal wi th all senior issues. Howard:' But all we do is advise . We don't operate. " Krauss: Well nobody's going to ope'rate. Well,.if there's a senior center advisory board. . They're going to work with Judy on a day tb day basis and maybe they'll make some decisions on doing things but they won't be able to spend any money. Significant sums of money or staffing or get new programs or build another cent.e'r without comi ngback t!irough you and Ci tyCouncil. Howar,d: I can see that. But the day to Clay operation has nothIng to wIth us. Colby: No. e Kubitz: My idea, I 'mtrying. to figure this out. We're the Commission. Then I thought the Senior Advisory 80ardwas made up of . those peopl.e who came to the center and oversaw the p:rocess there unde~ your supervision. Then this other one was made up. of citizens from around, businesses and so forth. Colby: No one gave me the specifics. Kubitz: This is the idea I hadfro.m previo.us talk. were those~"lho helped raise funds or findings that They helped with the funding you say? Kubitz: Yeah, raised funds or contributions or whatever what we're funding for. Senior Commissian Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 22 e Co.lby: ...when things start to. o.verlap. Because the center is geing to. be the hub of the activity. That's,where the people are going ,to be. That's where we're going to. see what the needs are. So if I had this advisory boar-dand maybe this advisory board says, boy I reaLly, really like this. The Commission...seemto bewbat we're hearing. I don't know. We're kind of trying to see what's gcing to. happen in the future but from what these other center directors were saying, it really becomes a turf issue and, I gu'ess since you'veali felt a turf 'issue with the Club, I'm Just saying I sureden'twant that to. happen with the Commissio.n and the.Advisory Board. Itmay never happen. Maybe ~e're just. kubitz: Betty you're on the Board at. South Shore. "\ Bragg: We have both been ex-presidents of the Advisory e St. Jo.hn: At South Sbore. Bragg: At Seuth Shore and I don't know whether it has changed. .ii ttle bit Ii ke in an amoeba you know. You get things that come and go I think theestablishi ng organization over there was the Hi nnetonka. CommunityServices~AJhich is yaur parent arganization now ,too isn't it Judy? Senier Community Services. . . And what did you do. in that advisory board? Bragg: All members who use the cente'r are on ,the advisory boar.d and that's just advisory far the activities and they plan every month what they're going to do. . They deal with issues and make reperts and talk abeutwhat, there's a treasury and all of that~ How we're going to pay for this and all these decisiens. St. John: And since there were 6 cemmunities that were supporting the South Shore, we had a liasan fram each one of those and also liasonto churches 1 n there to. keep everybo.dy! nformed of what was galog on. . Montgomery: One af my thaughts is that if we have the faith inSeniar Community Services that we've demonstrated and we're willing to turnover fund raising, channeling it through them sa we don't have to haveaur own SOt( C){3) and also we have contracted for the services. Your services and whatever else we'r'e going to be doing, it seems to me then that we should turn over the respansibility fO.r running the center to Judy and that she then, working with her advisory board, would handle the operational part af it. Now if for instance the contract comes up far renewal, then I seethat as our function to examine what's happened and what's in the future and wh~t'tha funding 'is and thatsart of. thing.BQt I don't sea that we would Senior Commission Meeting Januar~ 17, 1992 - Page 23 e !- , i have ,the tIme or the energy to devote ourselves to the day to day operation and every function. Colby: No, and 1 don't think that's what we're saying. Howard: The reason these are overlapping is because obviously of, these has a Senior Commission. Colby: Buffalo did. Howard: Well they don't according to this. Colby: ...because when thecent~r then e~isted, that commission that existed for about a year or two prior in tlhe planning stages, that commission then became the advisory board fand was expanded. So I wish would have asked for specific situations but there WaS such a strong reaction that there was goi og to be anad\Jisory board here. Montgomery: I thought that was what JoAm') told yOU was the needed toclo. e Colby: Right. wasn't going to of you would be others. So she 'your commission But she was under. the understandi ngthat the. Commission be in existence after the icenter opened up and so then all that advisory committee if you so chose to be and then sOFTIe didn't think the commissi6nwas going to be, you know that ended with the center. ' 8ragg: I think that's a good point. Montgomery: Maybe1.r.4hat we need to do is ~lar i fy l.'>lhat meant the Commission to do. Montgomery: That's not our decision. Well they won't know. Montgomery: Or you Paul. I don't know. IWei're .ppointed as members of ah advisorycomml~sion. Krauss: To the full range of senior issues. Montgomery: Right. that's what I thought!. Not just a center. e Kubitz: Bunny, you're on the board down i'n Eden Prairie. ,do'? What do they should I should say? Billison: Well we have just the functions; of the Eden Prairie Colby: These two don't really. Minnetonka is an advisory to the City Council as to the needs. ..recommends to tHe City Council ways in which the needs of seniors can be met. oetermine...1utilized by seniors to meet. their needs. Evaluate and.. .governmental acti vitties that may impact. The! r last two duties go into policies and goaLs and ;objectives for the senior center. But see again, policies and goals and obj~ctives are not in the day to day e , operation. i",? Satiior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 24 It still... Heinlein: Work city staff. St.John:Andseniorcoordinator~ , " Colby: In the operation of. And that's the sixth duty and that's way down ont.he 1 1st. . So what I'm saying, if the commission could be expanded and then you could have subcommittees and then there would be a 'couple that I would report to to tell themltJhat's happening. What I see the needs that we'r-e not fulfilling, and those 'two can come back to the commission which' they area part of and say here's what we're seeing. Where if I'Ve got this board and they come toanotherwhol,e Iboard and say this is, if they'r-e part of thatcom~ission. We have been set up assubcomm~ttees haven't Howard: So you think that p~rhaps B~rbara should appoint with Judy on'the center? Senior Commission Meetth'9 January 17, 1992 - Page 25 e I 'Krauss: We've tal ked about a lot of different models but I sort of the one, for-myself, where you establish a subcommittee and that subcommittee has expanded membership of fdlks who use it on a daily basis. Make suret.Je, have ,ample representation frdmtheSenior Club and outsiders. Montgomery: Well that then' is becoming ari advisory board. Howard: ~~'ellthere'd be 2 of us on it. Krauss: No it's you. ,e Montgomery: .But if we're then going to appoint other peoplet~o. Colby: . '," that 'sthe workers. That's the: volunteers. . . ! mean I evenimagine...you know let's say the senior center is just doing wonderfully well and somebody leaves some money to the senior center. Now here we've got this money and the advisory' board sayshere'swheTel want to use. "Whereas the Commission says! see: a much b;etter use 6verhere~ ! tTulywsnt to be one family. and if on thati 9TOUP 'that has, and if.theTe's 10 people to work on,that advisoTyboaTd bltt two of them aTe commission so they really sTethere working with the commission. MontgomeTY: We're still talking about the city' reall~ over what is going on. Kubitz: And it should. Montgomety: And it should. Krauss: You need to speakt,-Jith a single vbice. 1 think you"vegot a lot more impact that way. And if it's a subcommittee of your's and Tom just pointed out something. We'd have to change something in the By"":' laws <to ~ave an expanded subcommittee but if it's a subcommittee of youf's, they can meet,more frequently if they need .to but it's also a, conduit right .back to you. I mean anything that needs a decision of the senioT commission, you've got your representatives on there and they'll come and they'll bring it right back to you and you make the decision. That way you don't have different decisions centers funfli fig around', dOl ng different thi ngsthat may be contrary to one another. Heinlein: a year and this right whole lot. . . I '.' i .. . . ..... ,''; ! think we.'veworkedpretty well together for the, well some for a half and some .for more than tnat. Most of us have beeninon from the start when all this...and ! think we've accomplished a - Bragg: :r wanted to, maybe tnis isn't the right time to putit,inbut on page A of the survey , model survey that .Judy Marshek gave. us. On page 4,' item 23 where, it indicat~s that there are necycling zones. Now are those the same as wards of the city of Chanhasseri? I Krauss: We don't have wards. Senior Commission Meeting January)7, 1992 ~ Page 26 , e, Bragg: You don't. Okay, well what I was thinking of. Some of us goi ngoff of this Board or thi.s commission with a :2 year 'term . Is possible that we could make an effort to".each out so that we have somebody from each of these 4 zones so that our commission is m01re/encompassing? Krauss: Well I think you can cert~inlYM~k. recommeridations totheiouncil along those lines but when we did the first sutvey~e found that,~ost seniors lived!n one of the zones. It just happened to work that way., I Bragg: Because I think we might,be missiris input from people. Krauss: Buttnere's other ways of thinking, of it othel-than'just location criteria. 'You can think of, do you want a mandate that you have a representative from like the Chamber of Commerce or do you want to make sure youhave'somebody who's ~ representaiive from ihe religious community? There's lots of ways of thinki ngt.o spread the presentation because I think the locational criter ia won't work veryi",ell. Bragg: Okay. -really are -- Heinlein: It's basically mostly women. Krauss: When,wernet with bot.h Judy's, we ,keep on talking about wanting to have a center that there's 3 different, types of senior citizens. You've! got age categories. Or physical abi Ii ty dategor ies'. Forwhat.ever reason it fell out that our whole board right no~ is represented by one group. And you may want to make sure thatyoLl haverepresent.ation, intnefuture from all the groups so that activities and you're meeting ,the needsQf all the groups. I know Judy's very sensitive to trying to do that in terms of 'what the senior center offers. You don't 'wa,nt to get pegged as Just catering to one g'Coup to the exclusion of 'the others. Bragg: That's my concern too. Celby: ...tba~'s the way I look at Montgomery: How would this affect the erganization of the Where would that responsibility lie? Kubitz: Now\'-Jould the other people that ybu want to draw in. would a subcom~ittee of t.he Commission or an exp~nsion of the Cornfuis~i6n? e Krauss: Well, r think they'd more. likely be a subcommittee. Working you. SeVen seems. t.e be a' numbe,r t.heCity ~ettledon.forevery Beard, rightly or wrongly. It works.. It 'san edd number. It givesenQugh diversi ~y '. but not tod much. Expanded9Y"oUPS get kind of unwieldl ytoo. Montgomery: 'r guess somehowr can't reallyl see there's so much difference in havi ngan advisory board as' there is in navi 09 a subcommittee. Somehow it just seems to' bie the same sort of thing!. Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992,"':" Page 27 Krauss: I guess the difference may be mo~e ',on paper than Teal but the diffeyenee is thatthere's not a whole se8atate group nmning 'around ,with it'sownagenda. But there would be. But they're net. I mean they're:a conduit you. 2 efus are en it, it's a sub~ommitteerc:lther than a,separate i , , Wl:;l werk some with the st.1bcemmitte'es. Betty arid Emma back to the qommission and it's just an expansion of Krauss: It werks beth ways. If yeu~ve gdt'something you want to:charge them with, it goes baek down. I think the rear that Judy had tsavery real one where yeu sure don't want to' have' t!hesituatien a year from 'now where you set a geal fer the Senior Center" andtheadv isery coromi ttee says i tdeesn' t.need it. That's net a goal weil.!' keN No. 8ragg: r think they have to realize though ,where thechai'n - I Krauss: Well that 's the key but whenyeu set up a whole freestanding group that gets it'smembers completely independent of you and may want,to budget' completel y independent of you and aill: that, I thi nk you run a very 'real risk fer that happening. Bragg: But de we have anythi ng to say about, budgets? Bragg: came up. Having been a part of South Shore how for a few years, that never I mean they/know that they are adv'ising on programs: really. South S~ore is not really a municlp~l. Krauss: We're the group that the City Council appointed to advise them. And as lang as all that advice, the senior' advice ,carnes through you,' yeu exercise 'a good deal of 'control . Krauss: 8ragg: I 'know it isn't but I'm just saying that', how that; advisory cammit tee wor ks. , st. John: t..Je never had a senior commission., !' : 1 i Bragg: We didn't haveanybody...and believe, me, the things that they decide to do, the things that are discussed~ave nothing really to do. executive committee is as the S~cretary and Treasurer and the President ,the coordinator. That's ju~t four that wo~ldbe responsIble to thIs committee but the advisory is af there are;many more. So there are about 12 o~ 15 people and some of them never ope~ their mouths butthey're ther~ -. - '- , .,-' .. I ! because they're volunteers and they car~abo~t what goes on. . ", - ~ i \ \ St. John:'And then'JoAnn Kvern from the Senior Community the one that. " Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992- P~ge 28 e Bragg: ,And ift.here are' issues t.hat. come u~ t.hat. t.hey don't. about, then she explains. Montgomery: Is t.here anyway we ca(lget. some further input from from the Council ? The Cit.y Council. r ddn~t Know . From ot.her gi ve .us a chance' to. read. some-" of t.he'se.. I Krauss: Maybe one of the better set., up . meet.ing with ourselves, know who else's been showing up. '1 would like that. 1 think our direction is , I I Krauss: Barbara, we can call you, and do xou want to have Mont.gomery,: Yeah. 1 think t.hat would be i,a good idea. What do you think? r think we've come to that point wh~re we do have to Montgomery: ,We don't really know what our! assignment is here and !'dlike that clarified I think. Also in reIationtd the Planning Department. Because you've, done a lotofwor k.' I know screeni ng all sorts ofthi ngs before it comes to'us and I think that's extjremely important and rthink maybe Judy will be doinssome of the same Ithings but. I t.hink we need a clear voice from the Council. Krauss: Let's nc>t. confuse the operat.ions bt1 the center this thing int.ernally. They're two separarce, issues. e Krauss: Well if experience is any judge,tlie clearer voice is come from you to them. Then they'll say. Bragg: What about the Recreation Departm.nt because part or what they're attemptiOg... ' Well that's what !'msaying. Colby: . . .and they really are separate and \1 probably. ..problem in Excelsior. Well I know I wouldn't have to t.he Commission. That isn't the Commission's problem. If we were getting sued by somebody ,_then ma}'~e I would mention it to you but what I'm sayi ngis, I dOli,'t. want to have two governing boards. A governing board for the', center and the Commission because right now we have two centers and my goal is to make t.hose t.wo centers one and everybody's happy in them.! ~o now I don't want to be develop! ngwhatexistsrightnow wi t.hout rea'llY knowing it and I guess it was)ust seeing the reaction from the people: when I mentioned.it,ithere wee justa strong.eactionandthey've dealt wiith, like Kathy Bailey from Mound, was saying the other day. They did, thexenaed up having the center.' They work very well together but. that foundat.ioh ~roup and the cent.er group because they have a separate group runningithe foundation money and the cente., their's walks on eggshel1ssometimes'l. 1_ i Montgome'ry: Maybe one of the things that ~ill develop didn't know about being able to use t.heir,50Hc)(3) e' It's a duty that City Council's ~on't usually. I mean it happen. Senior CbmmissionMeeting Janu.ry17, 1~92 - Page 29 difference.. And if everybody's co~fortable with it, you know.. themselves. Colby: So who would run that SOl, who wodld We wouldn't have afbUndatio~. would run those funds? Who's ;responsible for Montgomery: I think the staff. Krauss: I'm not sure. Wasn'~Senior have something, can they he the 80ard to was the question I had. Can the commission Montgomery: But we are city. I mean that' would not elimirnate the from~ i f you~.Jere talking about . e Krauss: But I think technically, for the ttRS, if admlnistensthe foGndation, you have the right to decisions on hd"'J to spend that money. .. Montgomery: Boy I don't know. I think thfit's a sticky i Krauss: We'll bounce that off of the City (\ttorney. , Montgomery:. Yeah, I think so. Krauss: What makes it even more cqfnplicated is, mybiggest fearisyoLl know Judy's talking about having two centers that she's going to'be responsible for. I think there's 3 because the Chan Senior Club thinks that YOU know. .Colby:, Oh that's who I was talking about. This center that we're developing and that center, which they call it a center their club. are the two centers. Krauss: .Yeah, but then YOll might have a new. group of. people coming to this thing, hopefuLly we will , and they're a new entity. $0 I think 'you really need to be able to pull these together. We're very comfortable working with you and I think it should be under your,wing but that expanded subcommittee gives you the ability to bring inal1 these groups of people and fuse ita little. . e \ '- " ',' , Kubitz: Yeah, that's wherewe.needto come witht.hat expanded subcomm~ttee which then reports to the commission and then with Judy. Heinlei n:. centers. The thought that came t.omy mind, , Senior Commission M.eting 'January 17, 1992 - Page 30 e Kubitz: No, we're going to go with one. Heinlein: No, I mean referring tci .the cltib as aI don't know wh~~. I Sharmin.when r came in, I was shocked yesterday. All at once somebody 'ohno.t>je're not going to be able to use ithat center. We're -going to to pay $100.00 some odd dollars a mont.h plus, plus, plus. Andl sat there like what. That's'the first I've heard of it. Well the President should have said this.. l'msit.tlngthere like, ~ell then I was get.ting lists and that from the few that'weresittingaround me. I said just drop the s0bject. I know nothing about it arid you idon't. I said as far as I'm concerned, I haven't heard anything like yhat. The answer is there is no fee~ Heinlein: Well that's what. I thought you 'know but r was this one :andparticularlythis one old girUthatwe play she says I don 't know why we .just can ~ t goon thewayt",e. are. She said, what. about the money we've got? I said what money have we got" You haven't got any money. 8ythetime they pay for this luncheon today, are we goi ng to have in the treasury? You' don 'tpay any dues for ahy amount. I was stunned. -- Montgomery: Well I can see what some of still not sure that'sgoing to solve it. thinka lot about this. Kubitz: ! thi nk that subcommittee more or! less has to be formed after we get the center -going and people corning to 'iit. Just some ideasoT how else we want to. draw in. . St. John: Judy, aie you thinking that you are going to be centers? K'rauss: No. Colby: No, I wa~ just saying the're just seems to be some tension with the ~ard club and we're going to work at tha~.i That's not going to Jxist... Heinlein: 'I wonder if it would help if you Would come ove'r ,meetings ona Thursday afternoon. e Colby: I tried to get a hold of Oscar once and I time and Ididn't try again. I wanted him: to be here want to just show up. I'd like to have them know I'm coming. Oscar ag~in and seei1 I ~an't just come a~d talk for a show the plan. Heinlein: He showed the plans yesterdaY.iHe went from table to table and that's what startled me when this came up aft'er tIJe got back hereto play ca'rds. Everybody did not come bae k that was the're. Sherol saw the~rroup that was there at the. restaurant. She happened.to be there and when we got Senior;' Commission Meeting January 17, 1992- Page 31 e' back, I don 't knew whether it was because it was snewi og and so. were driving their own cars and were afraid they might get back then have trouble because we were surprised that we had so few come back after having been therefor their meal. As Is.ay, there were four, well the five of us had been at the luncheonarld [this subject came up . After he had shown all the, he went from table to table and explained to each group just what was go1 ng to be done and some 01; t.hem liked it but 1 thi nkthere were some, the older group didn't seem to. icare much one way or the ether. All they were concerned about was well we~re going to play cards and that's ityou.know. I knew I'm eneof the. older [group but net the oldest greup. i ii' , Montgemery: Itseems'to me that's going to be something we're just going to have to gradually werkout and I think 'itwilJ.. I think the larger issue here is this chai n of command or wh~t~ver yeu want to call it. Or hOWWEl repert to the City Council and what we're.responsible .ferand I'd like to see some clarification in for insta~ce how they feel about the funding and what reute that should take because there seems .to be a lot confusion about that. . . . . I [ It Krauss: Why den't we get this meeting set lip and efthat. , Mentgomery : Right. I justthi nk there arie! a lotofthi ngs we ...make . some kind of decision that we haven't explored [yet. Maybe it's 'a fine idea but I just think there.are a lot,o~ considerations that we really need to 10ek into before we go. ahead. Would that be alright with everybody or do you think we sheuld de something definite right 1 now? Okay. Anybedy'haveahy more? I Bragg: Well I had one more thing I was thi~kingabeut and that ever identified exactly what our foundatidnlwas intended to do? Yeu mean the Senior Commissioni I I I , __ i I i Bragg: No.. Foundatien because it has different meanings to different people. . For example I think when wetalked1abeut thefoundatienJt was supposed to be local people t>Jhomight want. to contr'ibute some monies to us so we couldequipeur center. For example the furniture and.pictures maybe on the wall and different things like that. . . Am I wreng in what that foundation's functien was supposed to be? Montgemery: You mean the members of the i1oundation? Bragg: I thought that was just to be, I uhi nk' I understood .who we were going" to contact. Different civIc organizations and churches and soon that might give us money but I didn't think i it was anether geverning body. Was I wrong about that? Because to. some people a foundation is like a governing body and then that makeS' uS' into. thiS' octepuS' that we've been talking about. . e Colby: On the back page of the Buffalo. using, had a lot 8ragg: input. And they~re the ones who are Money given to the center. Senior Commission Meeting January 17, 1992 - Page 32 e I Colby: ...andI think that's basically w~at We're talking about were not... This is from, it says...admi~i.tered by the Finance Committee of the Center Advisory Board.. So that's kind of, in looking at the commission, I would picture a couple possible, be the center committee. couple be the finance committee. You all are looking at all the issues seniors. I , ,'. i Montgomery: Now we're talking about another very... ! Colby: . . .dollars are goi ng to be a big., part of it. Montgomery: I think we really do need to do some more research the Council and with maybe Don Ashworth or ~hoever channels the where we are with this. i : i I i Krauss: We'll pull everybody into the meeting. Montgomery: Alright. I think that's what we need to do [ They rent out their room whichiwe wouldn't be MontgOmery: I think we should get onto comments from Paul. of Krauss: I really didn't'have any. We e Bragg: I think we have to decide what we~re going to do. discuss this further or just drop it? Be6a~se there'seems misunderstandings. , i Kubitz: When Paul gets through.with his meetings we'll get recommendation. Bragg: So you'll take care of that? , I Krauss:, Well we'd like to have some reprse~tation on that. do you ~ant somebody else to be with you?i Yeah, I'd like Sherol to be on that. " I " " I I ! i Krauss: Okay, we'll try to get something set up towards thelatet part of next week or the follow~ng week. 'i , i Montgomery: You know because we do need ~oiresolve this but I just We need to explore a few more things befo~e we make a decision. If somebodi disagrees with me pleaselsa~ so. ' ,e AI-Jaff: i We're moving along. We actually have made some progress. Dir~ctory,we have put to~etHer a.ro~gh ~raft of all the categories you~equestedbe included in the direc:tor~.' I gave you a copy this when we came in. Some of the question~ tHat I have are, are you comfortable with this format? Where do you 'wantto draw the line as far as Senior Commission Meeting Januaty 17,1992 -Page 33 - the information that is included idhere? ,. tf we listed the senior center, where do you want us to draw the line with 'lihe senior center? Do you want the surrounding communities to be included in this directory? Or do ,yOU want us to expand further or just say Chaoh.ssen Senior Center alone? Is it easy, wh~n you look at it, is it easy to]find information in it? There are some, for instance under housing. The pages are not numbered but there's a fax number on them so that . would be page 3. Or page .2,\ I'm sor.ry. Second page. If you look under hdusing, is everyone ,on that page'? Did~veryone find the page? Okay. Last lirie under housing. ' It says do you want~sslsted living apartments listed under there? We don't have any in Chanhassen except for one building. W~ included Auburn Manor and some nursing homes within the area~ How much do \yoU want us to expandoi are you comfortabl. with what's in there? ' , , Montgomery: Does this last one about theiassisted lIving apartments. that tend to change rapidly? I mean would tihe the directory cO,mes out? That sort of thi!ng. arrangement? ,.' i AI-Jaff: No, it does change. I get a lis't ion a monthly basis from, the Metropolitan Council and it's just a matter ,of when the place is open and when it's available and they\get rented ou't [fairly quick. i I Montgomery: Maybe that could just be a reterral, question. e AI-Jaff: So s~iteh that to referral? WeIll don't know. I I I It still need~ a lot of work. I intend to put an .xplanation. For instance ,CART. . You know what CART iSi.', You know what Dial-a-Ride is. I doubt that everybody knows what theyare'. : Therefore we plan on putti ng some explanations. For instance one line th'at says Dial-a-Ride is a door to door service that will take you betwee Chaska, Chanhassen and Eden Prairie. Montgomery: Yeah, I thi'nk it does need sorne explanation. I guess I'd like to look at it sorne more. 1 , I I I AI-Jaff: Sure. I got this back yesterday'at 4 :00 so'I really wish could have looked at it earlier. Montgomery: Yeah ,but I'm glad we have it. AI-Jaff: We've moving inlthe rightdirect~o~. Montgomery: I think so. Ithi nk there's a Ilot of information. e , AI-Jaff: The phone numbers are not all inclUded in there ~et. Again t~is ' 'is a rough draft. Julie Benson and myself1met last Tuesday and we argued a lot about what should go in there and whatishould not. . For instance under financial resources. I thought that fuel assistance should be included under financial resources. It Montgomery: And she didn't? Al-Jaff: housing. , Julie disa~reed with me. She s~id maybe It was things like that. Oh, it's nit picky. Howard: I think it should be Al-Jaff: Under b6th? Okay. Howard: Sure. Mbntgomery: Or cross referenoedbr som.thing. Howard: It certainly has to do with bothJ iAre there you read the article about this sale? Al-Jaff: No, I'm sorry I didn't.. Howard: Well the State has'designated $lJ6 !million to be spen~ in this 5 county area and it sounds very much like bhey might be doing some of this same work. It Al-Jaff: Oh yes. Tom called me up and tdl~ me about it. program. i . . ! Howard: Doesn't it sound like they will ~e 'making a directory? talking about the ~ame ~iffer~nt types of 'things here. Al-Jaff: Correct. Agai n, Chanhassenfall!s :between Carver and Some of the servicei .that ChanhassenqualVffes for. Al~Jaff: Correct but. Howard: 'Hennepin's not in that group. Ai-Jaff: Correct, but Chanhassenwould qualify for services from Hennepin. I mean services for ~eniors so whery we putt ~ogether a directory we want to pullout those services from Hennepin. . Montgomery: How does that money come down~ Do they fund positions distribute it to social services or what h~ppens . it .was$418 ,000 .00. Something like that. ;'i . , Howard: It's outlyirig counties. , Al-Jaff: I 'haven't cont.cted the County to find out detalls but I will. In fact Tom dalled me up 3dayiago, 4day~ ~go and told me about it and ev~ty day I thought, ~kay I'll do it today~ahd ~ll of a sudden the day is over a nd never got to It. ! " e Montgomery: I thought I'd watch the ads in the paper and ~ee if there ar~ any ads for new help wanted. One other ques~ion. We had this number to Page,~5 e call for senior answer line,that was the~eDeral number and for us just to explore that and give ib a\c~11 and see what information we get in re~ards to Carver Cou~ty? No, go ahead.' Montgomery: Okay. 11 anybody wants to c~ll and just ask a question about some. Ask for a referral for some service in Car~erCountyjust_llkewe were doing before. 'Bi11ison: Where's that number? Montgomery: The number is 824-9999. I'm JJst curious to Bragg: Is that kind of ahotl! ne? Is that what,it is? Montgomery: Yeah, this is the senior answe'ring line and they now have headquarters ina c9uple differenbplaces Ibtit this is, we don't have one here yet but thisii a general number tha~'s suppose to answer all' requests. I'd Just be curious to see if tJ,hey have some Carver County stuff on the line. AI-Jaff: I know they do. That's why I'm iconfident when I sa" ahead and call. e Montgomery: It doesn't hurt to Just try a'nd see what , Over in Excelsior they have called South AI-Jaff: referral. , , , True. Either that or as Barbara! mentioned, that I mean the building I live in. .i. ! (There was a tape change at this point in tMe discussion.) Montgomery: . . .great. I'd be curious to se'e what I<i nd of response there would be but I think there's just an untappe'd pool hereof people that have, just given up. Howard: They can't go anywhere in evenings.' I Montgomery: So it would take a little re-~ducation I think. ,AI-Jaff: There's one 'more item. ,I'll mak(::lit really quick. Kathy McGraw who operates,orshe'stheDirector of CART' and she requested that if the senior club moves to Chanhassentity Hall, to please not change the date of when they play cards because a! l~rge populationgetspicked'up by CART and they would 1 iketo conti nuethatl. ,That's one of their, regular routes. Where they go and pick up everybodYifrom a~ound Ch~nhassen.In Chanhassen and then bring them to. e Howard: That should be no problem. e' AI-Jaff: But she~s ve~y excited with bveiything that~s going she wished the Commission lots and lots of luck. Senio~ Commission Meeting January17~ 1992 - Page 36 I thought it was going to be open 5 days a week: No. Heinlein: Thursday's St.John: Yeah and Wednesday. Fridays. Howard: Won~t this center be open 5 days 'a ,week? AI-Jaff': Unless we have volunteers. Montgomery: Maybe it depends on the volurlteers. e: Colby: I know JoAnn would like us to wo~k ~ith on the days that they 'renot oF'en. IwoulJd :~eally Ii keto be open all the time. . And I hope that happens~eal early :6~ because if somebody~again .' it's the initial, first time you come to ~isit the place andthedoor~s lockbd. There's justa real you know that 1 guess We need to talk about and decide~ And I'~ hoping the survey wiLl :helpu~ get a hold of some ' people. Even if it's for limited hours. I :don't know~ 10:00 to noon or something. That's fine. Just so they can dtop by the centeY. ' St.John: The one think would be the mealisat South Shore. If anyone would be intetested in just the meals, that at dhqse days that, because there wouldn't be any meals. Montgomery: Might be able to do som~thing ~here. i . I , i ! Colby: That'might be brought up fordiscUs~ion. " Colby: I talked with Norwood-Young Americ'a Ihas got a ,they don't have a kitchen'and that~ a full kitchen to be abl~ Ito dQ the~..but they do have a restaurant that c'aters,and they make sandwiches and soLip and it 's$3 .00 each. ,And you know, I just wonder if some;tMing. ( , . St. John: Is that Midtowh? .' Colby: I'm not sure who it is, and it just is phenomenally successful. And it's always soup and a sandwich. . Kubitz: That would suit me much better meal at noon. Senior Commission Me.ting Janua~y L7, 1992 ~ Page 37 . , I Cqlby: So I would like to just find out ~hat we can, if wecando~hat because it sounds' like,that might be an i~phrtantdraw. A few years down the line it may not be. Congregate dining just might be because the younger seniors are coming up. They're not,going to want that. But for the older seniors now,! think we should try to see if we can...because I haven'tt~lkedto Paul and Sh~rmin. ' Montgomery: Well I like the sound of it Judy. positive. I think it's great. That'sho~ you " : -, Bragg: And I think too, when I've met witih people from other communities, when we've had our breakfast,over there, ihat there were people who had parents liv{ng out that weren't eating prdperly. Even a soup and~a s~ndwich ~ould help there if 'it was brougHt in to the center. That's one of the ,things that... 'Aclul t with agi n9 Well I hate to cut all these igdod ideas short but our time has run out here and I think what w.are goind to have to do is close for today and write down all our good ideas and calli $harmin and call Judy and let's think a lot about str~cture and whatwe'r~ going to do next year. Al';;;'Jaff: We start putting the agenda toge'ther about 10 days before it goes out so if there are any thoughts that you ~ould like us to investigate, , ' please me know. e~ I Bragg: I think' this wa~ a hearty and heal~~yexchange of Ideas and some of our hang-ups are so even though it:: might have been a little impromptu, it was good. , , Bragg moved, Billisonseconded that the me$t1ing be adjourned. All voted in favor and the motion carried. 'The meeting' w,asadjourned at 11:30 a.m.. Submitted by Paul Krauss Planning Director Prepared by Nann Opheim