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PRC 1999 12 14Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING DECEMBER 14, 1999 Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Jim Manders, Mike Howe, Rod Franks, Jay Karlovich, and Dave Moes STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Superintendent VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Howe moved, Berg seconded to approve the Minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated November 23, 1999 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. VIDEO PREMIER, MINNESOTA RECREATION AND PARKS - YOUR BEST INFESTMENT~ NARRATED BY DON SHELBY. Hoffman: This is a pretty good piece put together by the MRPA and the MRPF. Over a $10,000 investment into the production. It took over 18 months to produce. Now it's being used statewide, all communities in the state have a copy of this for promotion of parks and recreation. 12 minutes I think for your viewing pleasure. The video was shown at this point in the meeting. Hoffman: Jim Peterson took a year sabbatical from Mankato State to do the filming and the production. Lash: Okay, thanks Todd. Anybody have comments? Howe: It's very good. Shelby does a good job. Very down to earth guy. Lash: Okay, we'll move on to the next item. SITE PALN REVIEW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS (344 APARTMENTS) ON PROPERTY ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH AN AREA OF 21.34 ACRES~ POWERS RIDGE APARTMENT HOMES. Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Lash: Okay, thanks Todd. Does anyone have a question for staff before we start with questions for the applicant? No questions for Todd? Anybody have a question for the applicant? Franks: I'm looking on the drawing here and I see three totlots in addition to the commons playground area. Is that correct? So Building A would be in the first phase and I'm just like wondering about the construction phase of the commons area comes in Phase II. Mr. Ries: That's the way the architect scheduled it. Franks: Okay. Would the totlot for Building A then be completed with Phase I? Mr. Ries: That was the other... Lash: Can I ask you to just come up to the podium so we're sure to pick you on the tape. Thanks. Mr. Ries: You asked to whether the totlot would be built as the buildings are built and that's my understanding. And what was your other question? Franks: That there were three totlots. Mr. Ries: Right. The building next to Sunset Park is designated as a seniors building. It's pretty much off the overhead at the moment but D is set to be at this point, planned to be a seniors building. Hoffman: Just so you're aware, this is an older plan. That B has been split. This building. You have the corrected copy. Lash: And when is it that you're anticipating beginning and completing? Mr. Ries: It could begin next spring. The decision of course once it goes through this committee and the Planning Commission and the Council, then you have to make sure the interest rates and the construction costs are in line. Next spring. Lash: Okay. So you'd begin next spring and when would you estimate completion? Mr. Ries: It takes 9 to 12 months to build the building of 70 to 100 units and then it would be phased over 3 or 4 years. It could be compressed but we've been at this since 1972 and a rather conservative approach to things so we're going to, as it runs south. And we've got that all under, with management to do that professionally. Lash: So you're estimating roughly 3 to 4 years? Mr. Ries: Yes. Lash: And where in that timeframe do you think that the big central area then would be?> Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Mr. Ries: In Phase II. Lash: Which would be halfway through? Mr. Ries: Yes. That's a good way to estimate it. Lash: Anyone else with questions? Karlovich: What type of equipments goes into the totlots? I see the nice three dimensional view of the playground. Do you have any, or does staff have any idea of what goes into a totlot? Franks: Do you have an idea about what the budget for those? Mr. Ries: I don't have the specifics on that. The architects are working through that issue. Nor the specific equipment that goes into it but they're familiar with that. They've done many, many projects and trying to put together a very compatible project. I'm sure we could get that if you need it. Specific issues on it. Lash: As an example in the drawing that shows the big commons area, the playground equipment there looks quite adequate but the totlot would not be that extensive. Mr. Ries: No. You're dealing with the younger age. It's a play area. Lash: Okay. Anyone else with questions or comments? Moes: Knowing that kind of a swimming pool takes a little bit more maintenance than other park facilities during the summer, how will that be maintained? Or will that be management? Mr. Ries: Well the management company puts that whole thing together. I mean that activities building will provide the base of that operation. That's very tightly controlled because you can imagine the exposure in that. Moes: Right, absolutely. Franks: And this whole commons area with the playground and wading pool, little picnic area, I mean it all looks very nice but I mean is this a for sure kind of go in this project? Mr. Ries: That's what we're planning to do. The contract hasn't been let yet but that's what the plan calls for. We're talking about units that are 800 to 1,250 or 75 square feet. Apartments built today are built to specification with wide corridors and senior doors and all that for every unit regardless of whether it's for seniors or not so quality that goes into building and the cost that goes into the building pretty much plays out it's hand. You have to follow it all the way along. Berg: What are we talking about in terms of numbers? There's 344 units. How many people would you guesstimate that's going to be when the thing is completed? Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Mr. Ries: I don't have the breakdown of mix between one, two and three bedroom units. Do you have that in your packet? Lash: Yeah we do. Franks: Have we had any estimates as to the number of once built out, the number of children? Mr. Ries: I don't have that. They're doing the demographic study on the market but. Lash: Okay, other questions or comments? Manders: These are rental as opposed to owned? Mr. Ries: Yes. Manders: I guess just to follow up on Todd's comments as far as staff's positive view of some of the amenities. I guess I would have to second that. Karlovich: I guess I just, I have one comment or one question for Todd. Todd, I'm looking at this plan which is Li-1 and it's like one totlot seems like right next to the swimming pool and the other one is kind of across from, it looks like a walkway from the playground. Is that, or would you want just a bigger playground or do you need two totlots it looks like right on top of the big playground? I'm just, if you were going to at least have some input on the design of this playground area. I guess if I was a kid I'd just go to where all the good equipment was. Hoffman: Well the totlots are going to be for 5 and 6 and under. And so and age separation is a requirement now on playgrounds so you do have a larger playground, you have to separate it by the age. Those totlots are not going to see a lot of activity without a parent being there so the parent can make the choice do they want to stop here, closer to the building and have their children play and socialize with other adults near that area or do they want to go over to the commons area. Just that decision of just outside your door or outside your building or are you packing up and walking down to the commons area as a group. And the placement is fairly restricted by the amount of green space that you have available there so we're going to try to fit them in closer to the.., buildings... I'll follow up with the commission on what they envision there but it's going to be 5 and under type equipment. And again, the fact that they offered it I think is, goes to show that they want to provide quality amenities throughout. Lash: Did you say D is the senior apartments? Hoffman: Yes. Lash: Okay. Moes: I have one more question. You talked about access to Sunset Ridge Park. As I understand the trail's going on the north side of Lake Drive West. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Hoffman: You see on your plan there, we talked, Sharmin Al-Jarl} who's.., from the planning staff} we sat down last June. They will be putting and installing a sidewalk system on the south side as well just to go ahead and service this community and get them out to the park facility. So we'll have sidewalk access coming along the south side here over to the front. Moes: Okay, great. Thanks. Hoffman: We pondered an internal access down through here into the park. That really places an undue burden on certain, a couple of units here.., so there will be more a public, centralized public transportation, pedestrian out.., and a sidewalk will most likely stop and the parking lot on the south side and then... We also considered a trail access out the back here to Powers but it really has a grade problem and it's not that, it doesn't provide a very good alternative to what you've got today just going onto the street and down to Powers. Manders: What is the land use north of this? Hoffman: Industrial. Manders: That's industrial. Hoffman: Office industrial. Howe: Todd just north of this, is that tunnel under Powers Boulevard the trail? Hoffman: Yep. Howe: Okay, just north of. Hoffman: Just right up north of this intersection so they can go through the tunnel to Lake Susan Park is they choose. Lash: Other questions? Okay. Seeing none, is there a motion? Manders: I would move that we accept the staff recommendation for approval of the proposal. Lash: Okay, is there a second to that? Franks: Second. Manders moved, Franks seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission affirm the condition requiring payment of 50% of the city's park dedication fee for multi-family dwellings. The remaining 50% of the park fee has been credited in addition to the full trail fee. At today's rate the 50% park fee would total $172,000 (344 x $1000/2=$172,000). All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 REQUEST FOR THE PUBLIC GATHERING PERMIT~ WATER SKIING TOURNAMENT AT LAKE SUSAN PARK. Jerry Ruegemer presented the staff report on this item. Lash: Okay, thanks Jerry. Sounds like you guys pretty well covered everything. Are there commissioners who have any follow-up questions or comments about this? Moes: Just a quick question. First of all, significant progress was made. That's good to see after the last session with all the items that came up. A thought that came to mind was, you know it looks like during the tournament the INT is having one or two specific contact points. Like there's going to be one person at the boat access and there's going to be another person I assume that's going to be the focal point for any problems, issues, resolutions. Was there any discussion in the session about having one lakeshore resident as a main contact point or a facilitator if items came up at all? I just throw that out as a thought to see if that's something that would be helpful so that we don't, I mean it's a coordination effort once again on both sides. Ruegemer: To my knowledge that wasn't specifically addressed at the meeting but it probably would be a good point. Franks: They're not quite the cohesive group like INT is and so even at that meeting, although the residents were coming together as the residents, they each had some separate concerns and so it's a good idea though. We didn't think of that. I don't know how they'd pull together. Lash: It would be hard though because if they all have their own personal agendas. Franks: Was that your understanding too? It seemed like, although they were all together, they each kind of had their own kind of concern about the whole thing. Moes: And each of their concerns was addressed it looks like though. The list is rather lengthy here so I'm assuming each one had an item that they wanted the board. Lash: Anybody else? Moes: That was all. Karlovich: I'm just impressed that they were able to work through their differences and happy to see it. I was worried about Rod going but. Lash: I wasn't worried at all. Berg: He can hold his own around here. Lash: Yeah, he's got some pearls of wisdom he can use whenever. Howe: Silver tongued. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Berg: Well I voted against this last year. I voted in favor of the residents not having a tournament on there and I've just been very impressed with the way you folks have handled this and met with the neighbors and dealt with their concerns and I wish everybody could be as cooperative when it comes to using the lakes. I appreciate your efforts. Lash: Okay, seeing that. Are there other comments or can we wrap this up? Okay, is there a motion? Moes: Yeah, I recommend that we approve staff's recommendation to approve INT's request for a public gathering permit to host a water-ski, wakeboard and kneeboard tournament at Lake rd th Susan on June 3 and 4 , 2000. And that the recommendation that the INT pay the reservation fee of $250.00 per day to reserve the Lake Susan Pavilion Park and also the recommendation that a $1,000 deposit check be submitted prior to the event to cover any unforeseen damages. Lash: As a friendly amendment do you want to include, I mean just say to include the agreements in the back? Moes: And to include the agreed upon issues 1 through 9 that were discussed in the December 7th meeting. Lash: Okay, is there a second to that? Howe: I'll second that. Moes moved, Howe seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission approve INT's request for a public gathering permit to host a water-ski, wakeboard, and kneeboard tournament at Lake Susan on June 3 and 4, 2000. It is also reconunended that the INT pay the reservation fee of $250 per day to reserve the Lake Susan Pavilion and a $1,000 deposit check be submitted prior to the event to cover any foreseen damages. This request is also subject to the agreed upon issues between the INT and lakeshore residents regarding behavior and use by INT participants on Lake Susan. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. Manders: I have a follow-up question. And Jerry's talking about it... and issues associated with that. In reading through some of last month's minutes I guess.., but how much authority does he city have on... ? I mean this isn't a city area necessarily is it? Isn't it a State DNR type of thing? Hoffman: Yep. If they would not use the park, we would have no control. But the fact that they utilize the park for public gathering we can control the permit for this event. Karlovich: Waters is the DNR's. We can either give our permit or not give a permit. Manders: But you know in terms of what we can do on the water itself. You know people say that they're out there making waves and I can't float around in my pontoon. Well, we can't do anything about that can we? Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Hoffman: Sure, we can revoke the permit if we think it's a public nuisance for our residents. Lash: If it's something that we're sanctioning and allowing. Hoffman: Correct. Lash: I mean if it's a group thing like this and we're saying yes, this can be on the lake, that's different than you just going out there with your boat and making big waves for someone else. We can't stop you. Karlovich: I think the City could just make about any ordinance the city wanted as long as it didn't conflict with the State ordinance. Or State laws or DNR regulations. Manders: Just a curiosity. Hoffman: We can limit, we cannot limit access. This issue went round and round on South Lotus Lake access. We can limit the number of parking spots to the lake but we cannot limit the number, we can't limit access. So anybody could access the lake. Once the parking stalls on Lake Susan for public access are full and somebody parks a trailer in a no parking area, we can write them a ticket. But if they still want to continue to come and launch their boat.., public body of water and then go park somewhere else, they can do that. That's always been an issue to us on South Lotus Lake. Lash: Okay, we'll move on. REPORTS: RECREATION PROGRAMS. Lash: Anyone have questions or comments? How about the ice rink? I'll just ask that right out. Ruegemer: Hopefully we have a recap Saturday-Sunday maybe. Lash: Flooding? Ruegemer: Yeah. Lash: Saturday-Sunday possibly if it's cold enough. Karlovich: What did we ever do about the rinks? We were thinking about adding or deleting. Ruegemer: We added Pheasant Hill, but Sunset we did not add. Karlovich: Okay, so Pheasant Hill is going in. Okay. Hoffman: And if you noticed in the brochure, it was added to the text but it was not upon the little map so if you get any comments on that. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Lash: So it's at. Hoffman: Pheasant Hill Park. Lash: Pheasant Hill, okay. Ruegemer: All the trailers have been delivered so the wanning houses so they're all there now and the maintenance staff will be hooking up phones and power within the next week to get those ready. Hoffman: We need 4 to 6 inches of solid frost before we put water on. Otherwise you just take the frost down and the water disappears so can't start too early. Lash: Okay, under February Fest, does anyone have questions or comments? Or the winter classes or the tree lighting. Howe: The guy was a great Santa Claus, that Brian. I was there. He was good. RECREATION CENTER. Lash: Then under the Rec Center we've got the monthly report from Susan. Are there questions or comments on that? Okay. SENIOR CENTER. Lash: Senior Center Report. Questions or comments on that. Berg: This is, back to the Rec center just for a second. It seems like the employee problem has straighten itself out. There seems to be more consistency. We're not losing people every other week. Is that accurate? Hoffman: Accurate. And Susan manages, does a good job managing employees. There's going to be some turn over. People are maturing in their job and looking at other avenues but Susan's quick to respond to that. She keeps in contact with the employees. They let you know what's going on so it's not such a surprise anymore. PARK AND TRAIL MAINTENANCE REPORT. Lash: Questions or comments on that. Tell Dale Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from us tOO. Hoffman: I think you can tell him tonight. I think he'll join us. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Manders: Maybe I'm jumping the gun. This isn't where he was talking about snowmobiles and trail signage. That meeting that you attended or there was some discussion about damage to trails. Howe: That was in last month's packet I think. Manders: Oh, that was last month? Howe: Yep. I asked if you had gone to that meeting. Hoffman: I'll talk about that. ADMINISTRATIVE: ADOPT-A-PARK. MEMORIAL PROGRAM. 2000 MEETING CALENDAR. Lash: Under administrative we've got first the Adopt-a-Park and Memorial Program. Just a note that we're still working on that. Hoffman: Still on the radar screen. Lash: And the 2000 meeting calendar, did anyone have a problem with any of those dates? Okay, do we need a motion for that Todd? Hoffman: Please. Lash: Okay, we need a motion to approve our meeting dates as listed here. Franks: So moved. Lash: Is there a second? Karlovich: Second. Franks moved, Karlovich seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission approve the 2000 calendar for meeting dates as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. Hoffman: I've been writing a few things down. City Council has asked that the commission review special event funding. Specifically Deb Kind has a request into the City Council to fund the $8,000 parade budget out of your special events funding. So Deb will be here in January- February. Probably January. Have a report from staflk They have a difficult time because it's a, the business people think it's funded through the special events program and we hit them up heavy in January and then come another month or two, Deb Kind and her group comes along Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 begging for money for the parade and they say we already gave to the special events funding. They would like to continue managing the event, but I think that is the biggest fear of staff is that well, without, with the check being written, being set up to manage it, the ownership goes away. We hope that would continue but staff is not clear on whether or not in the future we would want to manage the parade portion of the special events. So you'll be talking about that. I attended the December snowmobile meeting and there was about 50-60 people there. Pretty good group of residents coming out to the snowmobile meeting. We talked about their need to be proactive. I recommended that they come in and make a presentation to the City Council. Talk about their future plans. Acknowledge that there are conflicts in the city because it is growing. It is urbanizing. Going through an urbanization with the, you take the rural ditch lines away and you replace them with a curb, a trail, trees and there's just no place for the snowmobiles anymore. So I encouraged them to maintain a trail out of town and to maintain their status where they can. Open up their garage door and snowmobile out onto the street and then get onto that trail and head out west. You can't do that in Eden Prairie. You cannot snowmobile out on your, out of your garage onto the street. There's city ordinances so. And they need to manage the conflicts that continue to arise because it's a pretty good interest group as far as their numbers and what they want to do. They asked if they could be a member of the Adopt-a-Park and I said well certainly so I'll be in touch with them. We talked about the issues with studs on new trails and there are no trails, designated trails that go over these pedestrian trails. It's just simply people getting out and using the trails so what Dale has, his plan for this year is to put staff on Saturday and Sunday mornings if we see a significant snowfall and get those trails plowed off so that we don't see the snowmobile traffic on it. Because when they showed up for work Monday morning it was very difficult to get that packed snow and ice back off of those trails. And so he will do that. If it snows Sunday afternoon or late Sunday morning, they won't be out there Sunday. They'll be out there Monday morning. Lash: What about signage? Hoffman: For? Lash: That would say no snowmobiling. Hoffman: Well we'd have to put it everywhere. Lash: No, but I'm talking about on the, where the trails are. Where we seem to be seeing the most consistent usage that would be creating the damage. I would say that's along Powers, number one. Where else is it really? Hoffman: Highway 7. They're all over. We could certainly hit the hot spots. Lash: I didn't mean for us to do it necessarily. I was thinking more the snowmobile club. Hoffman: They do signage, they sign their trails and then problem areas along side their trails they sign them as heavy as you want so Lake Ann they do all the signage in Lake Ann. They actually store their signs at the Lake Ann maintenance building. And they will come out and assist in other areas where there are nuisance problems but the club really represents in all Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 fairness to them, I mean they represent snowmobilers. They take a great burden upon themselves to do this so at some point you have to draw the line. You can't call them on every issue. Public Safety, my office. We also bear some responsibility to take care of those problem areas. Other questions about snowmobiling? Lash: There was that one letter in the packet from the people on, where was that? Audubon? Howe: Or South 101. Lash: Which does sound like potential problem there. Any suggestions? Did they have any suggestions? Are they aware of that particular situation? I'm sure they are. Hoffman: Yeah, they're aware of it. Nancy has been, Nancy Mancino, the Mayor has been in conversation with those property owners. The people who wrote the letter were acquaintances of Scott Harr. Worked with him every year on it. So it really was out of my office and in Mr. Harr's office. The snowmobilers have the right to be there in that right-of-way. These property owners are obviously annoyed by the fact that the snowmobilers are there. They would just as soon see no snowmobiling in town. So there's not a lot that we can offer as far as I know. These people will not meet with the snowmobile club and they refuse contact within so they don't like snowmobiling. They attempt, just as much as the snowmobilers may be upset at the fact that they get so mad, these people get just as mad at the snowmobilers so it's a little bit of a grudge match going on out there that we are attempting to resolve. Lash: Well there's not a lot we can do. If they're not willing to. Hoffman: Can't offer a lot, no. Lash: To discuss it then. Was snowmobiling allowed there when they purchased their home? Hoffman: Sure. Within the right-of-way. And then finally capital budget notes. City Council did approve the 2000 operations and maintenance budget and the capital budget plan last evening. There was some minor modifications in your capital items. The ice rink was moved up to 2000. Second ice rink so they would like to see that constructed next summer. And Highway 101 trail will be, it does not have a year assigned to it. They ordered a feasibility study for Highway 101 north trail independent of the road, or the road upgrade so please be aware that the Council has added that as a priority. Manders: I was at that meeting and I was kind of trying to figure out what was driving that whole discussion and it was like Mayor Mancino brought it up to see if they couldn't get some type of action moved up to 2000 on it. Lash: Are you talking about the trail? Manders: 101 trail. That's what I was thinking. I said what were you talking about? Highway 101 trail and they were bouncing around between 2000, 2001 or 2002, whatever, and the gist of it that I could see is that they wanted some type of action to say that they're taking some positive Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 forward motion on getting this trail established. Whether it's land use or some type of review or to see what it's going to take to fund it. And talking a bit afterwards about it, their interest is just exactly that. To get it moved up and thinking that, they don't look real optimistic on that road being upgraded any time soon. And to keep putting that trail off} we'll just never get it in. And I was, I mentioned this. So you're willing to sacrifice the expense of the trail when the road goes in and the point was, well we don't even know when the road's going to get upgraded. Lash: So where would the money come from to put it in? Manders: Well they were talking about, I don't know. Hoffman: There's dollars set aside in the Press industrial district tax increment financing. Manders: Yeah, I think that came up and I said well, that doesn't necessarily mean that you, just because you have that money that you go ahead and spend it on putting a trail in. If you're going to tear it out right away. And the point is is that if you put it close to the road, it's going to be less expensive. If you put it further away from the road where they're not going to have to tear it out, you're going to pay a lot more. So it's one of those things I guess it's which lobby is going to be pushing harder to get it in. And how much are we willing to potentially risk without having it tore out again. I mean it's the same questions we've been asking I've been on this commission here. Hoffman: Yeah, 1993 was the feasibility study which was prepared at that time. The thought process was the road is just around the corner. We're not going to build a trail... Manders: I guess I'm still a little puzzled about how this thing's going to go in place. Berg: It's interesting how the money appears. Hoffman: Well the money's always been there. Always been there. Berg: Has it? Hoffman: Yeah. There for many, many, many years. Lash: I'm interested in the hockey, are you talking about hockey, the other hockey rink they wanted in out there next year? Hoffman: Yeah. Lash: So we didn't have that in our budget, right? Hoffman: Yeah. Lash: So did they increase our budget then by that amount? Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Hoffman: Correct. Lash: Okay. So it wasn't that something else got cut and this was put in it's place? Hoffman: I don't think so. I have not received a final copy out of the city manager's office but. Lash: Now if they want to move something up and add that to our budget, that's fine with all of us but I don't want them to just make switches and after we've put a lot of blood, sweat and tears. I mean I know they can do that but. Berg: It certainly is their right to do that. Lash: Yes, but I think it would be the respectful thing if they're going to make changes in our prioritizing to get in touch with us first before they just do it so. Hoffman: I've never heard of any cuts. Lash: Good. Okay. Anything else on that? Okay, Todd did you have anything else? Hoffman: No. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS. Howe: Like the Race Committee? Lash: Yeah. Howe: Well not really a lot from the Race Committee. No more meetings until January. Jerry, anything to add? Ruegemer: We're pretty much status quo at this point. I mean pretty much all the pieces are into place. Major components and we've got t-shirt bids back and other things but a lot of the major, major stuff is done. We're just waiting for after the first of the year so we can have another meeting. Howe: Jerry's done a great job. Manders: Again it's planned for September 16th? Howe: Why don't you take this right now and circle September 16th. Ruegemer: Do you guys know the overall cost will be around $15.00. $12.00 to $15.00 approximately. Howe: Yeah, $15.00 to $18.00. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Ruegemer: Get a nice t-shirt and all the fun sponsors. And we expect all the commissioners to participate. Berg: We'll be there. Jan and I are going to be there. Ruegemer: Get Fred his wagon. Berg: They banned the wagon. Franks: No wagons or strollers. Lash: Do we have any other committee? I don't even know if we have any other committees. Time to get some new committees. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS. None. ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET. Lash: Under the administrative packet, does anybody have anything there? Hoffman: We try to put all the good stuff in the packet. Boy, you know if you're not Tom Redman or Frank Scott, you know in recreation, they're pretty much taking over Carver County. You noted that. Lash: I don't see that we were in that. Hoffman: In the mix? Lash: Yeah, in that effort to try and take over Victoria. What's the matter with us? Hoffman: Not in our mission. Lash: Good. Berg: It'd be a much friendlier take over. Manders: So what is the driving element going on there? Hoffman: Members, dollars at the community center I would assume. Manders: Oh, get Victoria involved in Chaska's community center you mean? Hoffman: The closer the ties you can make, the faster the money rolls in. Berg: They want to make Victoria a suburb of Chaska. Park and Rec Commission Meeting December 14, 1999 Franks: Sometimes it's implied that if Chanhassen were to do some co-programming with the City of Chaska that Chanhassen residents would get their reduced rates at the Chaska Community Center as well. Hoffman: No. Oh, I do have a piece of news. Champlin is very close to signing a deal with Lifetime Fitness. About $6 1/2 million dollar facility right outside their city hall. Howe: Where? Hoffman: Champlin. Lifetime is building 18 clubs in Chicago this year. So they're in the growth mode. Karlovich: How about one in Chanhassen? Hoffman: We've talked about that. Lash: We've been down that road many times. Karlovich: I'm a lifetime member actually. Work on the other side, I go to the one in Woodbury. Moes moved, Berg seconded to adjourn the Park and Recreation Commission meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 8:00 p.m. Submitted by Todd Hoffman Park and Recreation Director Prepared by Nann Opheim