PC Minutes 8-18-09Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 18, 2009
6. Structures shall not encroach into any easement except for the driveway connecting to the
private street access.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0.
PUBLIC HEARING:
ZELLNER VARIANCE: REQUEST FOR A SETBACK VARIANCE ON PROPERTY
ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT-RESIDENTIAL (PUD-R) LOCATED ON
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LOT 1, BLOCK 1, WESTERN HILLS 2 ADDITION (7461 LONGVIEW CIRCLE).
APPLICANT: RICHARD & CHANIN ZELLNER, PLANNING CASE 09-12.
Kate Aanenson presented the staff report on this item.
Laufenburger: Alright, thanks staff. Start with you Tom. Any questions for staff?
Doll: This is just kind of a learning thing for me. Corner lots, are there typically, are they equal
setbacks? You know usually there’s a side and a front.
Aanenson: Yeah, we consider the front, the true front is where your front door is, but when
you’re on a corner lot you have a 30 and a 30 so you have two fronts and then you have, so this
would be, this side would require 30. This side would require also that, and then 10 and then.
Generous: It’s 10 on the other.
Aanenson: 10 on the other.
Generous: You have two sides and two fronts.
Aanenson: Right.
Doll: I have no further questions.
Laufenburger: Okay. Kathleen, how about you?
Thomas: Um, no I don’t have any questions. Good with it.
Laufenburger: Dan, any questions?
Keefe: Yeah, you know just so I’m clear on this. If I’m looking at the color coded, yeah this one
right here. The blue box has, is in the encroachment. If you go down to that corner.
Aanenson: This little triangle piece is what’s in the encroachment.
Keefe: Yeah, is there an eave on the existing building that is causing that?
Aanenson: No, that’s the existing garage.
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Keefe: Yeah, and but it’s got a roof on it right?
Aanenson: Yeah,
Keefe: But it’s got a roof on it right?
Aanenson: Yeah, I do have a picture of the house as it sits now. There is an eaves that comes
over that but that wouldn’t count today. The 2 1/2 foot setback does not count today because
you can encroach in the side yard but the foundation’s still over.
Keefe: Yeah, so the blue box as we’re seeing it right there is the building, right?
Aanenson: Correct. Correct.
Keefe: Okay.
Aanenson: Yeah, it’s bigger than just the eaves. It cuts through the corner of that. About 17
square feet.
Keefe: Okay, so really all they’re talking about is just taking a building, that same building
going up like that.
Aanenson: Yep. Yep.
Keefe: And then the, and is the roof configuration on the proposed similar to what it currently is
or?
Aanenson: It will have the same pitch. Over the front of the house. It will take that same pitch
over the top of the garage with two windows.
Keefe: Yeah, and so it’s no more than it is today in total is it?
Aanenson: Not really except for the second story.
Keefe: Except for the height.
Aanenson: And the eaves are going a little bit further into that. If you look at the orange, this is
a little additional encroachment.
Keefe: And is that more because it’s.
Aanenson: It’s a foot and a half, right.
Keefe: An architectural feature related to the scale of the building kind of?
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Aanenson: That’s correct. That’s correct.
Keefe: Alright. Thank you.
Laufenburger: Kevin, any questions?
Dillon: No, I have no questions. This seems pretty simple and straight forward.
Laufenburger: Alright. Mark? Okay. I do have, staff has there been any, has there been any
feedback from any neighbors?
Aanenson: Yes we got some calls and explained to them what the variance was for and nobody
objected to the variance. We did have a couple calls.
Laufenburger: Alright, thank you. Is there an applicant for, is there an applicant present? Step
up to the podium. State your name.
Richard Zellner: I’m Richard Zellner, 7461 Longview Circle.
Laufenburger: Welcome.
Chanin Zellner: I’m Chanin Zellner.
Laufenburger: Chanin, welcome.
Richard Zellner: We have nothing really to add. You know entertain any questions you might
have for us.
Laufenburger: Okay. Any questions for the property owner and applicant? How long have you
lived there?
Richard Zellner: I’ve lived there since 1992. And then we’ve just been married for a little over a
year now.
Laufenburger: Happy anniversary.
Richard Zellner: Thanks.
Laufenburger: I guess no questions. Thank you very much. We will close the public hearing
portion and bring it back to the commission members. Any questions or comments? Mark, start
with you.
Undestad: No, I think it looks good.
Laufenburger: Kevin.
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Dillon: You know I don’t.
Laufenburger: Going to change your mind?
Dillon: No I don’t. The only other thing is, and it’s not a topic for this but I’m wondering if at
some point we should, is there a way like really simple things like this, do they need to come to
the Planning Commission? I mean it’s a topic for another day but.
Aanenson: We can look at that at a work session.
Dillon: Sometime I think that is, and we have an off line session we might want to talk about
that.
Aanenson: Sure.
Laufenburger: Dan.
Keefe: No.
Laufenburger: Kathleen.
Thomas: Looks good.
Laufenburger: And Tom.
Doll: Looks good to me.
Laufenburger: Alright, I’ll entertain a motion then.
Keefe: I’ll make a motion the Chanhassen Planning Commission acting as the Board of
Adjustments and Appeals approves Planning Case 09-12 for a 4.1 foot front yard setback
variance for an addition above an existing non-conforming structure located on Lot 1, Block 1,
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Western Hills 2 Addition based on the staff report and adoption of the attached Findings of
Fact and Action.
Laufenburger: We have a motion. Do we have a second?
Thomas: Second.
Laufenburger: Kathleen, thank you. Any further discussion? There being none.
Keefe moved, Thomas seconded that the Chanhassen Planning Commission acting as the
Board of Adjustments and Appeals approves Planning Case 09-12 for a 4.1 foot front yard
setback variance for an addition above an existing non-conforming structure located on
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Lot 1, Block 1, Western Hills 2 Addition based on the staff report and adoption of the
attached Findings of Fact and Action with the following condition:
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1. The survey for 7461 Longview Circle must be revised to include the perimeter drainage
and utility easements to ensure that the proposed improvements will not encroach into the
easements.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0.
AUTO MOTORPLEX SITE PLAN AMENDMENT: REQUEST FOR AMENDMENT TO
SITE PLAN PERMIT 2006-23. APPLICANT: BRUNO SILIKOWSKI, PLANNING
CASE 09-13.
Generous: Thank you Mr. Chairman, commissioners. This is an amendment to an approved site
plan located at 8200 Audubon Road. The amendment is to permit the inclusion of decks on the
exterior of these storage facilities. It’s planning case #09-13. Audubon, or Auto Motorplex,
they’ve changed their name since the original came through, is a condominium style
development where individuals buy units and belong to this association. As part of the
development they have a club house, museum building located on the, in the central portion of
the site but on the east side of there’s a large open space on this property. The intention of the
facility is to permit high end car owners to be able to store and work on their cars and be around
other car enthusiasts. That was part of the original promotion of this site. At that time they were
talking about having the club house and the museum where the members would meet and they
were having to also talking about events where they’d have the cars come in and little shows on
the site and this development has been evolving from the original approved site plan and right
now the developer, or the owner is requesting that we amend the site plan to allow them to put
two types of decks on this site. The D decks are the larger decks. They can be anywhere from 8
to 14 feet projecting out from the building and they would be on the side of the building so they
could be just that one unit or someone could buy two units and they could go along the whole
end. That would be located on the west side of one existing building and on the north sides of
four buildings, two of which are there and two of which would come in the future. On the west
side of the property these are unbuilt buildings. They would have smaller 6 foot wide decks.
Part of that expansion there would also the developer would like the option to allow them to have
roofs. The questions we have for the Planning Commission, ultimately City Council, is this
expansion or extension of the use consistent with what was approved for the development and
the use of it as a storage facility. Now when you come into the site, this is looking down, you
can see the background. There’s the Stone Creek development across the open space. This is
approximately a quarter mile away from the club house building. I should say on that first one,
on the north side of the building that would be one of the areas for one of the decks to be located.
And additionally along that whole edge. Yeah, there’s a door already there and I think they have
a nailing strip on. But we held them up from going forward for Planning Commission and City
Council review and approval of that as being consistent or not. Again as you’re looking down
this site is lower than the easterly portion of this site. Those are the two additional buildings
locations that will develop in the future and they’re on, building that one building on the left
side. You can just see the middle of it. There’s a small area where they put some balconies.
Now we’ve made the distinction a balcony is treated more as an architectural feature. It adds
interest to the site. It allows them to step out of their unit and look down at the cars below or the
activity, but it doesn’t provide a real space for them to sit down and have a social gathering.
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