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AGENDA
PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION
TUESDAY, AUGUST 22, 1995
5:30 P.M. - SITE TOURS
7:00 P.M. - REGULAR MEETING
CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE
5:30 p.m.
SITE TOURS. Please arrive at City Hall before 5:30 p.m:
- Power Hill Park
- Stone Creek Park
_ New "Minnewashta Parkway" Parkland
_ Chanhassen Recreation Center
7:00 p.m.
REGULAR MEETING
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
Commission procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. If
a motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to
allow for publication and review of items prior to consideration.
Scott Molencamp, Chanhassen Athletic Association, 1996 Ballfield Usage.
1. Approval of Minutes:
a. July 27, 1995
b. August 8, 1995
NEW BUSINESS
2. Proposed Subdivision Review:
Conceptual and preliminary PUD rezoning the property from A2,
Agricultural Estate to PUD, Planned Unit Development; Preliminary Plat
approval for 94 lots and one outlot; Site Plan approval for 2 four-unit
structures, 1 six-unit structure and 10 eight-unit structures on 12.34 acres;
Located at the southwest corner of Galpin Boulevard and Highway 5, Scenic
Enterprises, Inc.; Autumn Ridge 2nd Addition.
3. Alcohol Policy, Chanhassen Recreation Center Community Room.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
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Development of 1996 Park Acquisition and Development Capital
Improvement Program (CIP).
5.
Program Reports:
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a. Septemberfest
b. Summer Discovery Playground (to be distributed)
c. Lake Ann Park, Parking Permits
6. Administrative Presentations:
a. Chanhassen Recreation Center (to be distributed)
b. Director's Report
c. Commission Vacancy
ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET
ADJOURNMENT
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park & Recreation Commission
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director
DATE:
August 15, 1995
SUBJ:
Site Tours
The following site tours have been schedul~d at the request of the commission.
These visits are in response to issues rais~ uring the commission's CIP
discussion of August 8.
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Power Hill Park: Park access from Bluebill Trail and Mallard Court.
Stone Creek Parkland: Acquir~d as a part of the Stone Creek Addition
(2-22-93).
New "Minnewashta Parkway" Parkland: Initial Development.
Chanhassen Recreation Center: Future Impr()vements.
If there are any other sites you wish to visit, please lElt your desire be known.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
DATE:
August 17, 1995
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FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
SUBJ:
Chanhassen Athletic Association 1996 Ballfield Usage
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Scott Molencamp of the Chanhassen Athletic A~~gciation (CAA) would like to discuss their
1996 ballfield needs. CAA, as you know, has p~~b steadily increasing in the number of
participants. Games and practices have been scped9:led Monday through Saturday during the
1995 season. An increase in participation willagairibe realized in 1996. To accomodate
their participant's needs, the CAA would like..to discuss with the Park and Recreation
Commission the option of using neighborh9()d parks fQr games. CAA has mentioned the use
of Curry Fi:1rms, Sunset Ridge and Chanhassen Hills Park for the 1996 season. Play on these
fields would be limited to 2-3 nights perweek and would end when the new fields at Bluff
Creek Elementary are ready.
Mr. Molencamp has been informed of the Commission's policy regarding neighborhood
ballfield usage. In order to meet his request, you would need to rescind this policy.
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND
RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
JULY 25, 1995
Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Jim Andrews, Dave Huffman, Fred Berg, Ron Roeser, Jim Manders,
and Jane Meger
MEMBERS ABSENT: Jan Lash
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer,
Recreation Supervisor; Dawn Beitel, Recreation Supervisor
RECOGNITION OF DAVE HUFFMAN. RETIRING COMMISSIONER. MAYOR CHMIEL.
Andrews: I invite the Mayor here to make a special presentation here for the benefit of
departing Commissioner David Huffman.
Mayor Chmiel: Dave, you know I have some mixed emotions about this. First of all, one
thing that's really going to be good is when it comes time for me to get down to Phoenix in
the winter time, I know who I'm going to have to come and see. No, seriously. You've been
a park commissioner for 15 years. We'll put it down as 15. It seems like you've been here a
long time. You've been a member of the community for a long time as well. And it really is
great to have the input that you've given to the commission. You always dug in and played
your attributes and even stuck to your guns when it came to the referendum, and that's sort of
good too. You're a man of your word and I like that. It gives me a great deal of pleasure to
present to you this Certificate of Appreciation.
Huffman: Would Fred read it to me.
Berg: That's an inside joke.
Mayor Chmiel: But as it reads. This is a Certificate of Appreciation from the City of
Chanhassen. Be it hereby ordained that the Chanhassen City Council has officially acted to
recognize David Huffman for the dedication and public service offered to the citizens of our
community as Park and Recreation Commissioner. Further, that the City Council has hereby
placed into it's official Minutes this recognition as lasting expression of the gratitude of this
city for the services provided. And believe it or not, I even signed it.
Huffman: Thank you so very much. That's very nice, I appreciate that. Thank you. As Fred
told me on the way over, he said this is much ado about nothing and I don't really know what
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he meant by that but thank you very much. I wish I had done something more. I wish I had
done something in the time I was on here actually and I just want to say I appreciate you
letting me come here and hope not upset the apple cart too much and thank you for sharing
your time and your gifts with me and I know I'm going to take away a lot of neat things here.
And if you're in Phoenix, you're welcome. Y ou're got the first round of the 19 hole though.
Thank you very much, I appreciate that. Anybody wants cake, you can stay after we vote on
everything you want.
Berg: We appreciate you hanging out with us Dave.
Huffman: Thank you for having me, it's great.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Roeser moved, Meger seconded to approve the Minutes of the Park and Recreation
Commission meeting dated June 27, 1995 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion
carried.
FIRST ANNUAL REVIEW; USE OF SOUTHWEST REGIONAL LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT .
ROUTE AS A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL.
Public Pn~sent:
Name
Address
LeRoy Biteler
Ray Garvier
Charlie Littfin
Brad Blomquist
Doug Swanson
910 Penamint Court
8704 Flamingo Drive
7609 Laredo Drive
7141 Derby Drive
1780 Koehnen Circle
Todd Hoffman pr~sented the staff report on this item.
Andrews: If there's anybody from the audience that's here tonight to speak about this issue,
can you indicate right now so I have an idea of how many of those may be. I'm not sure we
need a whole lot of rehash here on this issue. I personally support that this needs to be
looked at for another year. Is there anybody here on the Commission that would like to make
any more comment pro or con?
Manders: I'm in favor of continuing.
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Andrews: I would like to see another review again, pending hopefully a successful season of
snow and usage so we can get a better idea, does this really work or not. So I would move
that we approve the trail usage for an additional season subject again to another review at the
end of the season, as we're doing this year.
Manders: I second that.
Huffman: Use governed by 30 mph speed limit and.
Andrews: All same rules remain the same. Any discussion?
Andrews moved, Mandels seconded that the Pmk and Recl\~ation Commission I\~commends
that the City Council appmve the use of the Southwest Regional Light R.:'lil Tl'ansit Route as a
snowmobile trail fol' the 1995/96 snow season. This use to be govemed by a 30 mph speed
limit mid a 11:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m., seven day a week cmfew. All voted in favol" and the
motion canied.
PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUEST TO SUBDIVIDE 6.55 ACRES INTO 4 SINGLE
FAMILY LOTS AND VARIANCE REQUEST TO SECTION 18-57(0) mAT ALLOWS UP
TO FOUR LOTS TO BE SERVED BY A PRIVATE DRIVE ON PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 6225 RIDGE ROAD. NORTH OF PLEASANT VIEW ROAD. JAMES AND KAREN
MEYERS.
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item.
Andrews: Is there anybody from the audience here, either landowners or developers that
would like to speak about this issue? If you'd like to, please come to the microphone. State
your name and address and make your comments.
Jim Meyer: My name is Jim Meyer. I'm at 6225 Ridge Road. Actually I was at a lot of
meetings that made that area a park area when the Lundgren Bros really wanted to make that
part of the development of Near Mountain and... I live in that 6 1/2 acres. Actually it was 8
1/2 originally that I bought in 1973. I guess I've kept it for a long time and for a lot of
reasons. I'm not, I'm actually going to move and I'm moving right across the street.
Subdividing the property into some parcels that 2 acres, 1 1/2 acres, 1 1/2 acres and 1.2 acres
so, and the stuff that adjoins the land, that adjoins the park area are 1 1/2 acre lots with a lot
of trees between the home sites and the park. I've got to tell you that I think when the land is
really being respected because I'm going to live there and I've been a big, sort of a, I've been
at Planning Commission meetings and Council meetings for the last 22 years here but
anyway, I've always respect all the people or the members of this commission and all the rest
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of them in trying to keep the density low and as I said, I was really in favor of that piece of
property...deer and everything still move through there big time and people are still hiking, or
not hiking so much but walking trail and cross country ski right through that area. My point
is that I think the property is being subdivided in a way that is not going to maximize but I
think is going to utilize that property in a fairly tasteful but also in a way that's pretty decent
in terms of preserving. I mean these are big time, big lots and hopefully preserving that sort
of woodsy area. There's going to be some restrictive covenants that I'm putting in that land
that's not being subdividable. The building size is going to be pre-determined. There's going
to be a lot of respect for that. And I say that because I've been fighting that density in this
city for a long time and I'm going to live right there. So anyway, that's the only reason I say
that is if there's any other question about that or what we could do, I'd like to address it.
Dave, congratulations...on this commission for 15 years. Thanks for the rest of you too.
Appreciate it.
Huffman: Actually I have the same role in that other job that I do on this commission. I sat
on the bench and watched.
Andrews: Thank you for your comments. Is there anybody else that has any comments about
this subdivision? Any commission members have any comments? If not, let's have a motion .
and move ahead.
Berg: I'd like to move we recommend the City Council require the following condition of
approval in regards to Parks and Rec for Meyers 2nd Addition. Full park and trail fees be
collected per city ordinance in lieu of land dedication and/or trail construction.
Huffman: Second.
Andrews: I'd like to add one thing to that, if I could, as a friendly amendment. That the
applicant is requested, I guess I'd like to see be required to inform new owners of that park
existence so there's no question about that.
Berg: Accepted.
Andrews: We have a motion with a second. Any further discussion?
Berg moved, Huffman seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend that
the City Council n~quire the following conditions of approval in regard to pmi<s and n~CI"eation
fOI'Meyel'S 2nd Addition:
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1. Full park ~Uld trail fees be collected per city onlinance in lieu of land dedication andlol'
trail constmction.
2. That new hUldownel'S be notified of the existence of the city pmk
All voted in favor and the motion cmlied.
PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL SUBDNIDING LOT 3. BLOCK 1. SUNRIDGE
ADDITION. 11.27 ACRE PARCEL INTO ONE LOT OF 2.62 ACRES AND AN OUTLOT
OF 8.65 ACRES ON PROPERTY ZONED RR. RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND LOCATED
AT 8950 AUDUBON ROAD. MARLIN EDWARDS.
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item.
Andrews: Couple questions Todd. Is the outlot property buildable or developable?
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Hoffman: It will not be a buildable lot if it's split off. Whether or not you can pursue
buildable lot status, I do not know.
Andrews: And this other entity that has an interest, do they also have money?
Hoffman: Sure.
Andrews: Okay.
Hoffman: The SWMP program is a viable program.
Andrews: Okay. So there's some potential cooperative purchasing power there. Okay.
Hoffman: I have no idea what the cost would be. I called Mr. Edwards and he had no idea
either what he'd be selling the property for.
Andrews: Is there anybody in from the audience that wishes to speak on this development? I
guess another question I have Todd is, as a Park Director here, the question is, do we need to
buy the property in order to essentially have the use of the property? In other words, can it
be sold to somebody else with any potential use? And is it a piece of property that really fits
into the grand scheme or is it a necessary piece I guess is the way I look at it.
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Hoffman: Yeah from my, and I haven't studied how the ordinance is applied but I think you
can get another house down in this corner. The wetland edge starts somewhere in here so
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really nothing is going to happen here. And this would be the property that the SWMP
program would be interested in. Using it. Dredging it. Putting it into their program. The
remainder of the property, and potential of subdividing it exists through that configuration and
I don't know the potential. This lot in the comer is more apt to have it.
Andrews: Isn't there a very nice, kind of a trail head potential on the opposite side of Lyman
here?
Hoffman: Yep.
Andrews: Okay.
Hoffman: On the south side. All depends on the price tag.
Andrews: As always.
Berg: And the usability.
Hoffman: Yeah. You can run the trail without hurting the trail. The trail could be diverted...
I really just needed to know if there was absolutely no interest. If there's an interest to
finding out the price and pursuing whether or not what the future potential of the property is...
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Meger: Well I would have to think that we would at least want to look into a price and
usefulness. And I know that the watershed plan for Bluff Creek is getting together soon so
I'm sure they'll have some interest as well.
Andrews: I guess I don't want to make a decision without seeing it.
Manders: Yeah.
Hoffman: Okay, let's just move on the. We've got nothing else to do. No park and trail fees
are applicable.
Roeser: Put it on our next field trip Todd.
PROGRAM REPORTS:
A. 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION EVALUATION.
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Ruegemer: As everybody, first of all I want to thank all the commissioners who helped out
with the Trade Fair and other portions of the Chanhassen 4th of July celebration. It's hard to
believe that another one is under our belts already. It went by quick. We had decent weather
on Monday to get us through the event but Tuesday, with the rain, that kind of created a little
bit of havoc for us but the other thing that was cancelled was the Rollerblade demonstration
out here on Saturday. So other than that, all the events did proceed as planned and
everything worked out well. Each event was gone through and evaluated. I won't go through
any of, all of those here. But we had record numbers in the kids fishing contest this year.
We had 140 kids participate in that, which was a phenomenal year...so everybody got a prize
and that's really fun for the kids. Some of the deals on the later afternoon on Tuesday, with
the different bands and things, they just moved up to the pavilion area but the people that
were there certainly enjoyed the entertainment. Everybody knows the fireworks were delayed
somewhat because of rain. That's a long process and by the time the final go ahead was
given was about a quarter after 8:00 so then the...
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Huffman: Can you do something, we stopped at Target. Something next year about parking
ideas or something in the paper the week before about when to gather. How to gather. Ideas
for people. Some sort of information for them. I know that we are growing so fast that
people are stopping on the overpass on the highway, pulling off the right hand side of the
road and we're going to get somebody killed out there on the highway. So just some sort of,
I mean if the.
Ruegemer: Well, that's good information for us too because most of the time I've never been
out of Lake Ann Park.
Huffman: Yeah. I mean there must have been, before we finally left at 10:35 and then came
back at 11 :00 for the fireworks, there must have been 400 cars, 300 cars up and down the
road and then I counted 10 stopped on the highway. So just from the public safety, some sort
of information about when to park. Where to park. How to get there.
Berg: Places to view the fireworks.
Huffman: Places to view would be a great idea. That would really be a great idea.
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Andrews: I'm sure the businesses along the road, they're going to have people parking in
their lots too. Maybe some sort of article about is that permissible or not permissible. Like
you said, this event is really growing and parking is just an absolute disaster down by the
lake. It's just crazy. You know it may be, and I'm not saying how we could move it or
where we could move it but it's getting to be a major logistical problem getting in and out of
that park.
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Roeser: Yeah but it was fairly, I got out of there fairly fast. I parked in there. I thought
they handled getting out of the park really well. I think there is a problem with people on the
highways. Powers Boulevard too. There were all kinds of cars parked there but I was in the
park and I didn't think, if you're patient for god's sake, you can't expect to get that many
people out of there immediately you know. I thought they did it well. Yeah, I was home in
20 minutes.
Huffman: Yeah, but there are some other good places. Like I said, that whole parking lot
now is going to be a great place to watch it.
Roeser: Eckankar would be a great place, if we could deal with them you know. Let people
park in there. I would think it would be a great place to park.
Andrews: The new school.
Roeser: The school will be fairly good.
Ruegemer: Yeah, that's a good idea. Certainly one we can...public safety.
Roeser: Yeah, it is gigantic.
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Ruegemer: It is getting bigger too just since Excelsior cancelled their's too.
Roeser: You want to die, try and get out of Excelsior after their fireworks. That's
unbelievable. That's much, much worse than our's. They pile up. Everybody thinks they've
got a way to get out of town. They've all got the same idea and it's just unbelievable. I've
spent, I think the last time I saw Excelsior's fireworks, I was sitting there for an hour trying to
get out of Excelsior. Not even to Chan yet, just getting out of Excelsior so our problem is
bad but it's nothing like Excelsior's. And our fireworks are a hell of a lot better.
Andrews: The word is out on our event. I've talked to more and more people who think
we've got a great fireworks.
Roeser: They were really good again.
Huffman: I love it. I think they're great. They're great.
Ruegemer: Does anyone have any questions or comments? Recommendations.
Berg: Good idea to make the tent bigger. It was awfully crowded.
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Huffman: The kids you had working the booths, the Honor Society students. Absolutely
delightful. Neat kids. I mean they should really be, you know again, thank you for your
contact with them and stuff but they're just sweet to everybody and that was really nice. I
mean it really showed from a lot of kids come on through. They were great.
Hoffman: Looking on the budget sheet. You know we're showing expenses at $24,000.00.
Much of the 4th of July...self supporting because we had 20.
Ruegemer: 28 to 30.
Hoffman: $28,000.00 to $30,000.00 under the sponsorship program. So a portion of this
comes out of the 4th of July...January-February we solicit. That's where we raised the 28
some thousand dollars.
Huffman: The possibility a reality of getting a bigger tent for the food concession area? I
mean it has grown. I mean even in my short time in 7 years being here, I remember there
were 150 people, 200 the first year. There's thousands out there now. I mean it's really a big
deal.
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Hoffman: They're taking the food right out of the tent too...
Andrews: Two tents or something like that.
Huffman: Yeah. But I mean it's great. It's just growing so big that.
Roeser: I'm a little curious about this Hoffman Talent Agency, $500.00.
Ruegemer: No relation.
SEPTEMBERFEST PREVIEW.
Andrews: Can we have a verbal update on the Septemberfest?
Ruegemer: Yeah, it's Saturday, September 23rd. That's the time we got this year. What
we're going to do this year is go back. So it will still be on Saturday but we are going to go
back to starting a little bit later in the afternoon and moving into the evening. A portion of
that to include music again at night. A street dance type of thing but we're going to get that...
That's not going to go real, real late...
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(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
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ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS:
DIRECTOR'S REPORT. No Report.
2ND QUARTER PARK & TRAIL REVENUE REPORT. No Report available.
CHANHASSEN RECREATION CENTER.
Andrews: Anything to add on this Todd?
Hoffman: We want to hear from you. Just an update that we all are continuing to work and
want to hear your comments...we're going to be camped out there for the next month.
Huffman: What kind of exercise equipment are you getting? I'm just curious. I've got to
know this. I'm just machine, stuff like that.
Beitel: We'll have a variety of things. We've taken bids for circuit equipment. For
treadmills. For step machines. We've taken bids on all the individual...we're hoping that
these stations and the circuit training and taking some package deal from three different .
companies. Each of the companies gave us several different brand names so to speak, so
we're in the process of analyzing and kind of seeing what's out there. Checking on records to
find out how this stuff lasts and what kind of use...So if you have some expertise and
knowledge on that, I would really like to have...
Huffman: I know nothing about that stuff.
Beitel: So right now we're going by, like I said, checking references and looking at
warranties and guarantees and trying to get at the same time...
Manders: Seeing as Nordictrack is so close by, were they at all interested in showcasing any
of their equipment?
Hoffman: No. The layout of the room is...There will be 16 pieces of circuit and strength
equipment...And then the other equipment, the stair climbers, treadmills and bikes,
Nordictrack will line up along the other side of the fitness area. It's going to get a lot of use.
We're going to have problems with ventilation. These buildings are never, these rooms are
never designed to accommodate the exhaust.
Andrews: The sweating bodies.
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Hoffman: So we'll work with that on a system by system basis. I don't know how many
people have called, 50 to 100 on whether or not they should drop their membership and stay
right here local in the city to participate in their fitness activities so I think from the reaction I
got from this public body...
Berg: They have no idea what they're in for. Just fantastic. That gym is just wonderful.
Andrews: Yeah, I was totally overwhelmed. I mean I'm thinking to myself, we should have
like t-shirts that say, you know Chan Rec Center, Oh Wow or something like that.
Huffman: Send me one of those, would you.
Andrews: It sounds corny but I think people are going to be really surprised and that's great.
I'm glad they're going to be surprised the right way.
Beitel: I really was looking for any other...suggestions or ideas. Things that kind of came to
you as you walked through the building.
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Andrews: A couple of us talked about the idea of getting some Chan historical things up in
that lobby area would kind of interesting but. Maybe not the official display.
Huffman: No, the official display would look great there.
Andrews: Well whatever. It's a good, you know, most of our community is going to be
going through that hallway. Let's have something about our city there.
Berg: Plan some pictures. The kinds of pictures that are around here. Community type
things. Get a real sense for a community so people see what else we've got. Use it as a, not
literally a commercial board for Park and Rec but help make people aware of what's available
in the city.
Huffman: Put up pictures like you saw in the paper. The 4th of July festival. The
September festival. The Winter festivals. Senior citizen activities. Groups around. Anything
that goes on.
Berg: I'm even thinking of pictures that are out in the hallway out here. Those pictures that
enhance the community. And lots of plants.
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Andrews: Can't have too many plants. Too many flowering plants. I was thinking of some
sort of, you've seen some of those metal sculptures of trees. Maybe we can do something
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with a maple tree in our theme. You know a tree or a leaf or something back lit or
something like that with the City of Chanhassen or something. I don't know. I can't wait to
be in there using it.
COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS:
RETIREMENT OF DAVE HUFFMAN.
Huffman: I quit.
Andrews: Okay, next item.
Huffman: I'm moving. I have to quit.
Andrews: Speaking for myself Dave, it's been a lot of fun. Sometimes entertaining. We'll
miss you and it should be easy to replace you.
Huffman: I was replaced by many different good people. I think there will be many more
good people following me. I don't think that's an issue.
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Andrews: Well, we encourage you to be active in your new community. I think you've got a
lot to offer to them as well and I would hope that you would do that so.
Huffman: Prepare Arizona.
Andrews: Thank you. Let's finish up the agenda here and then we'll get back to this cake
here and enjoy that.
TASK FORCE AND ADVISORY BOARD UPDATES.
Andrews: You're looking for like updates from the referendum task force?
Hoffman: Everybody's on a task force...
Andrews: Let's start down at that end and come down the line here.
Meger: We haven't met yet so I have no updates. The first meeting is scheduled for our next
meeting for this group so.
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Andrews: Okay. For the referendum committee we've had two meetings so far. Three. I
missed the first one, that's right. Our next meeting is Thursday evening at 7:00. We're just
getting our teeth into it really. Looking to get going a little faster. I'd encourage you to
come, if you're interested. See what we're doing and offer some guidance. I think we're just
starting to get going on that one so. Any other committee meetings?
Berg: Are we shooting for November?
Andrews: Pardon me?
Berg: Are we shooting for a November on the ballot?
Andrews: Yes. Yes. I would think that's what we're shooting for, yes.
Manders: It was originally defined for more like October.
Andrews: Yeah. We do not want to be on a general election ballot. We do not want that.
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Hoffman: October 17th is the target date right now. If that pushes off to November, I'd be
surprised. It has to happen before...
Berg: Is that before the School Board? Before the school election, if they have one? Are
they giving any dates?
Hoffman: Haven't heard any dates yet.
Andrews: Any other park commissioners with task force or more updates here?
Berg: Community Ed's on hiatus for the summer.
Andrews: Okay. Other business? Any other commission member presentations about any
other items?
Hoffman: We have a bit of business on the round house.
Huffman: Our comment is on the round house, just to clarify that, we either need to decide
to save it, put a lot of money into it, build it up into something or?
Hoffman: Burn it.
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Huffman: Okay. Any recommendations?
Andrews: Todd's not going to on this one I think. My personal feeling is that, if any
decision was made to consider keeping it, it would have to be looked at first by an engineer
to see what the current condition is and what would need to be done to make it a usable
structure. My personal opinion is I don't think it's a wise use of our money, but that's. It
does have unique historic interest. That I won't deny but.
Hoffman: You may want to talk about potential uses. Potential uses in the setting and
neighborhood park. What it's potential uses could be.
Huffman: I look at that and I say the first thing is that we are trying to build a downtown
area that we're bringing people here with festivals, with all sorts of everything and it's just a
logical extension that yes, we do want to talk about Chanhassen and it's history. Bring it
where people will come in conjunction with other festivals, activities. Other buildings here
that is out in the woods.
Hoffman: I'm not going to open the door to the history center everyday without having
somebody there, and I don't think the city's going to pay for somebody to sit out at that round .
house.
Roeser: Most history centers are run by volunteers. They're not generally run by somebody
that's paid. I really think it should be looked at as, and find out whether it can be saved. Or
whether it's even worth saving. If it's a lot of money, then of course it's pointless but I don't
know that much about buildings that I can look at a building and tell you that this is a bad
building. Todd, you certainly know more about buildings than I do but.
Hoffman: Well, if we're going to turn it into a public, you're going to spend at $50,000.00 in
the blink of an eye and depending on what you want to do with it, even at $75,000.00 to
$100,000.00 investment by the time you get supporting elements around the building and
constructing entryways and constructing the interiors of the building...
Roeser: Also they're going to be using it, there are going to be ballparks and things out there
too aren't there?
Hoffman: Not...ballpark. Open fields. They've lobbied for a tennis court off and on because
they're so separated from... Picnicking, open fields, playgrounds, parking and then some type
of the use on the beach front.
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Manders: My thought would be that if you're going to use that building, it would have to be
in conjunction with that park. I mean if there's a need within that park, I would see exploring
it and if we can't find one there, then I really question it because it is, it really is quite out of
the way in relative proximity to the rest of the city.
Hoffman: For a lot less money I can turn it into the same thing you've got up here.
Without...we simply, you know $5,000.00-$10,000.00 would do that worth.
Roeser: Where now? I think the point that it's out of the way is well taken. It really is.
Hoffman: I agree with that but look at a use for the park. Whether it be part of the
renovation picnic area. You can put a picnic area there. You can have that building for
picnics, although I don't know what you'd do there. The same thing, you could use it for a
warming house. Why do you need two levels. You could utilize it for a warming house and
have something very similar to the shed we've got over here. It's not glamorous. That thing's
going to disappear. In the future you'll see this building be replaced with a building which is
similar to the one that's at the rec center. The brick building.
. Andrews: I don't see it as a landmark where it's historically recognizable to the city.
Hoffman: The neighbors think it is. That neighborhood.
Andrews: It's odd. It's odd but I don't think.
Roeser: Odd doesn't necessarily make it historical I guess. That's true.
Manders: That would be my other comment. I mean if the idea is to contain it within that
park and use it for the park, then obvious input would be from the residents around there and
what their thoughts. I mean is that something that they.
Hoffman: And we don't have time for that.
Andrews: And I see, if we're looking for a usable floor space, indoor floor space, we have
far, far, far more efficient ways to obtain that than renovating that building.
Berg: Are we talking about a big expense to find out what it would take to make it usable?
Hoffman: Tell me the use and I would find out.
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Berg: What I don't want to do, having grown up in the city, is destroy it and then say, oh
shoot. That would have really have been a good idea. The city rushes to destroy things.
When they're 20 years old, it's got to go because we've got to improve it. We have a unique
structure. I'd like us to explore possible uses and see what it would cost to be able to do that,
without rushing to judgment and raising it tomorrow.
Hoffman: So you would like to, you can keep it and it can be your's and the cost of keeping
it would simply be that it will not demo'd on somebody else's dime. Not a real significant
thing. If you want to do that, I would encourage you to take that action this evening. Stick
your neck out and say we're going to take that and put it into our ledger and then watch some
type of investigation and potential uses.
Andrews: Why do we have such a hurry up here to knock the buildings down? I mean
what's the driving force here?
Hoffman: The driving force is the purchase agreement which says, when the line is signed,
all structures shall be removed and cleared from the site. So if you want to take it on your
side of the ledger, you simply remove the round house and they will leave it and you will
own it and...
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Huffman: I'll follow Fred's line of reasoning for a moment. It's been here for 20 years, or x
number of years. What's happened there that has been significant? I'm not in a rush to tear
down great places but it's a water tower. Does that have significance in our, I mean
somebody moved into a round tub of water. I mean again, I mean I'm going to follow along
and I agree. You want to look at it and see what happens. The rail depot, I mean to me
that's something that you want to bring and you want to hold and that has happened but it's a
round tub. What happened there?
Hoffman: ...they stored antiques in it for 25 years.
Andrews: If it was just a house, I think we wouldn't even be thinking about it. I hate to say,
that's obvious. We want parkland. It's because it's weird that we're wondering if we should
take it out of there. I guess I'm, I don't know. Maybe I'm trying to be too practical but I just
see like, I look at that thing and I say what are we going to do with it and you know, people
have choices between using that place to do whatever they're going to do and another place,
which one are they going to choose? If somebody wanted to have an art exhibit, would they
rather have it at the Community Center, or the Rec Center or in that round building and I
think they're going to say, I don't want to mess with this weird thing. I mean it's goofy.
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Hoffman: ...St. Paul and Minneapolis park system where...building in it and, but we're not in
that format. You know the suburbs do not have community park activities day in and day out
in their parks where they need the buildings...the idea of taking the second floor right out of
there and just having a clear space. So then you have that much space to utilize with a clear
ceiling.
Andrews: Yeah, it's got to be 30 feet wide, 30-40 feet maybe. I don't know. It's not huge.
Hoffman: I've not exhausted my thought process but in neighborhood park settings, you have
the warming house thing...and kind of the indoor-outdoor picnic area where if it rains you can
find some refuge. Refuge inside of that thing. You could use it for storage. You could use
it for.
Huffman: But that's right in the middle of the park though, isn't it? I mean that's right in the
dead center of the land you want to use and the picnic table.
Andrews: It's on the best land.
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Hoffman: You could use it in the playground program. I just want to go on the side of
talking about what you could use it for.
Manders: Not that it comes anywhere close to the Lake Ann pavilion, but that's kind of the
idea there. That you have the site as a protected, out of the weather type site to view the lake
and this is positioned really to view that lake too.
Hoffman: Yeah, if you tore it down and you put up a roofed picnic shelter on the same site...
Andrews: I think it's a better structure for what it's intended to be used for.
Hoffman: Instead of open space, open shelter.
Andrews: You bet.
Huffman: How are you going to replace the windows when they're knocked out every other
weekend?
Andrews: And paint it. I just, I don't know.
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Berg: ...pavilion at Lake Ann...breaking into it every other week. There are ways to stop
things like that happening too.
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Huffman: Right.
Andrews: I'm just concerned it's going to be a point, Curry Farms. We're going to pour, in a
sink hole we're going to pour money into it to keep it going. I don't know. Well we need a
motion that we can vote up or down to see if we've got any consensus here. I mean if we're
split evenly, then we're split. But we can sit here and talk it to death but.
Hoffman: You know we've got a couple lines of thinking here. Are we just going to let it
slide or are you going to keep...
Huffman: When is the signing, when is the sale going through?
Hoffman: Probably within 2 weeks. You could talk about it August 8th and then you'd
probably save it but the attorney wants to get the thing done. Our attorney wants to get the
thing signed.
Andrews: I don't want to come in for a special meeting for that. I want to get it.
Manders: Is there any guesstimate on how much it costs to remove it if that was the decision .
after the fact?
Roeser: Well it won't be removed.
Manders: If it's tore down, whatever.
Roeser: It'd be torn down, right.
Hoffman: Yeah, it'd either be salvaged, burned or removed. If we have to truck it to a
landfill, it's going to cost us quite a bit of money. If we can burn it, remove the basement
and truck that to a landfill, it will cost the city...
Manders: So it's basically a decision either to keep it, potentially incur that cost or get rid of
it right away.
Roeser: Yeah, I'd go along with whatever the majority says. I feel like we should look into
it. As try and save it, or at least find out what it would cost to make it a usable building.
Why don't I make that motion and then see where we stand.
Andrews: I think we ought to do that. You'd like to see us save it. Yeah, that's your
motion. Is there a second to that?
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Berg: Second.
Andrews: Okay. Any further discussion?
Roeser moved, Berg seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission direct staff to look
into the cost of saving the round house building at Lake Minnewashta. Roeser, Berg, and
Manders voted in favor. Andrews, Huffman and Meger voted in opposition. The motion was
tied 3 to 3.
Andrews: We're split. I figured that would happen.
Meger: Jan.
Andrews: I think I know which way she would go.
Berg: I do too.
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Andrews: I think she'd vote to hang on to it.
Huffman: I do too. Could I ask this? We're also in the process of trying to get a
referendum done. We're also trying to focus on some big areas we're trying to go. If we were
to save a building like this, would that eventually take us away from the focus and the
direction that we're trying to go in the hole. I mean would it take money out of what we're
trying to do on the big scale around the city or would this just be another small piece on the
bottom of the pie?
Hoffman: It'd be in the CIP. You'd have to have some playground and some...
Andrews: Todd what do you think? Are you thinking we're talking just small thousands
here, if we hang onto this and make up our mind later essentially.
Hoffman: You have the power to put the park...work and couple thousand dollars.
Roeser: Is it going to cost us a couple thousand dollars just to see if the building is worth
savmg. From a structure standpoint.
Hoffman: If you want me to make that call, I can simply...they're going to say virtually it's
sound. I mean you look at a block basement.
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Huffman: People were living there a month ago you said.
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Andrews: That doesn't mean it's sound.
Huffman: It's means it's not condemned.
Hoffman: The wood frame is thick.
Roeser: The roof doesn't leak, right?
Hoffman: The roof doesn't leak. You can lift it up and look right underneath it but it doesn't
leak. The wall boards are that thick in the thing and then, well built like a water tower and
bound with those.
Huffman: It's a water tower.
Hoffman: Yeah, to put water in it...3 inch floor boards on the first level and the second level.
And then it's got just normal roof boards, tongue and groove and the ceiling appears a little
unique and that's why we're curious and we went out there to.
Andrews: Well I make a motion that we reconsider the issue. Is there a second to that?
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Huffman: I second.
Andrews: I'm going to vote that we look into this. I guess I'm just not willing to trash it.
Roeser: Yeah, we really have a pension for kicking buildings down in this town so fast.
Andrews: I'm reconsidering my vote and I will vote for examining the potential use of this
building. Is there anybody else that wishes to change their vote?
Huffman: No, burn it. As my fond farewell, the bonfires of Chanhassen. Burn that sucker
to the ground.
Roeser: You can burn the barn.
Hoffman: Second the motion?
Andrews: Under Robert's Rules, I can't really change my vote. Is that acceptable to you
though that I do?
Huffman: Sure.
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Andrews: Okay, thank you.
Huffman: Actually we're not under Robert's Rules anymore, are we? Didn't we change it?
Revised. That's right, we're friendly now. Burn it.
Andrews: Well I'm hesitant but I want to be cautious here. Once it's gone, it can't be
replaced so.
Huffman: How many water towers out there out west we can buy and bring here and stick in
the ground? Seriously. I mean how many hundreds of them are sitting out there?
Hoffman: I don't think there's hundreds. I mean they covered that water tower in Carver. In
the town of Carver.
Manders: Right, it's their symbol.
Hoffman: I think that's the only way that they say is still in place in the United States...
. Roeser: Okay, what did we decide?
Andrews: We're deferring our final decision until a later date.
After consideration, Jim Andrews changed his vote on the motion to direct staff to look into
the costs of saving the round house building at Lake Minnewashta. The motion callied with
a vote of 4 to 2.
ADMINISTRA TIVE PACKET.
Andrews: Administrative packet Todd. Were there any items here you wanted to highlight?
There were a couple I wanted to point out. The ones that I wanted to point out were the
notices of recognition concerning some of our programs, which I thought we should be very
proud of.
Huffman: Chanhassen won an award for the February Festival.
Andrews: And it wasn't for highest taxes. Any other highlights people would like to make?
Berg: What's with this ballmeisters? I don't understand what's going on with this thing. I
mean what are we supposed to do with this?
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Hoffman: ...City Council to do away with the HRA and make the City Council the HRA.
Watch the papers and you can see if that comes to clear.
Berg: So this is just a proposal to be sponsored by HRA.
Hoffman: Subsidized by HRA so they don't...
Manders: Is there anything with the park and trails task force in relation to bond rating and
how passing such a referendum might be affected by the recent bond rating news? I mean if
it's going to cost more and.
Hoffman: There's people talking. Moody's down graded. However the city can select it's
grading...and drop Moody's and picked up Standard and Poors. Standard and Poors has
evaluated the city's bond rating much more...
Roeser: Chanhassen Hills bike trail ever going to be finished?
Hoffman: Chanhassen Hills?
Roeser: Yeah.
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Hoffman: They started this week. We meet with...on Thursday for some private
consultations on these access points and within about 3 or 4 weeks we should be done with
that project.
Andrews: Any other business? If not, do we have a motion to adjourn?
Manders moved, Megel' seconded to adjoum the meeting, All voted in favol' and the motion
canted. The meeting was adjoumed.
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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RECREA TION COMMISSION
SPECIAL MEETING
AUGUST 8, 1995
Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Jim Andrews, Ron Roeser, Fred Berg, Jim Manders, and Jane Meger
MEMBERS ABSENT: Jan Lash
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director
(The recording of the meeting was of poor quality and therefore much of the discussion was
not able to be heard on the tape.)
CITIZEN REQUEST TO RECONSIDER COMMISSION ACTION OF MAY 9. 1995
REGARDING POWER HILL PARK.
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item.
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Andrews: Thank you Todd for bringing us up to date and summarizing all the prior action,
which has consumed a lot of time, as you have noted. I'm going to ask those people that are
here tonight for this issue, if they have something to add to this, to please step forward and
state your name and address. I would ask that you keep your comments brief. We have all
been through this stuff and sat through it before. If you want to summarize that, I'd certainly
appreciate it. I would not participate appreciate though if you want to read anything into the
Minutes that we already have received in our packets. If you have anything to say, please
step forward and state your views.
A resident made a statement which was not heard on the tape.
Andrews: We certainly appreciate your time that you put in too. Is there anyone else that
wants to speak to the commission about this issue?
Resident: ...1 just wanted to say, I think the efforts of the commission have been good in
trying to accommodate the citizens request. However, I think if we go back to the beginning,
about that request and where it should be located...pristine and you didn't want to disturb that
area and then the challenge was, what do we do now with this request and with the limited
space we have up on the hill. And I think it's just, you know you guys were out there on the
site. Came back and said on your way in we had this idea. We thought...and I'm just
questioning...surface. You've got the lower part available, which you don't have the exact
plans at the present time but certainly...And also this, the additional parking stall is...when we
. purchased the lot in just the pasLso I would just ask that you would take the stuff back and
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look from the beginning. We have one request and the site where the request is to put it
but...
Andrews: Thank you. Anyone else?
Ray Garver: Ray Garver, 8704 Flamingo Drive. And I also appreciate your time and efforts
with this, in this matter. The biggest thing is that we're kind of hoping that...parking lot here
tonight. Maybe put out some sort of a questionnaire to all the people in the neighborhood
there to get input from everybody that lives in that neighborhood. There's roughly, I believe
there's 85 houses in that neighborhood. The other problem we're already having...taking, well
not taking care but the grass for the smaller kids. There's also the other problem with the
bigger kids... We've had problems with rock fights up in that park.
Andrews: Yeah but that's.
Ray Garver: That can happen in any park.
Roeser: Yeah, I don't think that has anything to do with parking lots.
Ray Garver: It adds to, to have larger kids to that with the basketball court, doesn't seem...
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Berg: ...bigger kids.
Ray Garver: Oh, 11, 12, 13. 14. Because what's up there right now is a little gymnasium
for the smaller kids. That's all I had to say.
Andrews: Anybody else?
Resident: Hi... what is the reason for parking up there? I mean people have asked me and I
didn't have the answer.
Andrews: I'd like to answer that after we've had a chance to have everybody speak and then
we'll probably deal with that issue again.
Resident: I guess my only other comment is, we have to have something for the middle
school kids. A constructive play area for them...
Andrews: Thank you. Anyone else? I'm going to ask each commissioner here just to
summarize their feelings and then let's dispose of this once and for all, one way or the other.
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Berg: I basically endorse staffs recommendation. I'd would add with a second point about
the parking lot there and not being on Flamingo Drive. For me it's also a bit of a safety
factor. When you've got cars parking on the street. You've got kids playing on the street.
This seems to be a little bit better for the kids if there's off street parking versus somebody
going all the time and turning around on Flamingo. They mayor may not use the T. They'd
probably just turn around in the middle of the block. My kids don't always watch when
they're crossing the streets and I guess the more traffic you can get off the street, I think the
better.
Manders: I concur with the staff presentation.
Roeser: I do too. I concur with staffs recommendation. What we did on May 9th. I just
feel that 2 years down the road there will be a petition asking us not to allow people to park
on Flamingo Drive. That's the next step. I think we need those parking spaces in that
parking lot, if it's everybody's park.
Andrews: My comments would be similar. I did want to specifically mention that in other
areas where we have not provided parking and we've had cars park on the street, I believe
we've had 100% relationship between complains of not having parking at some point. Also
what usually happens is people will park and then walk between houses to cut the distance
and I don't think anybody would like that. I also feel, as a Park Board and as a city that we
have an obligation to provide easy and safe use of a facility to all citizens and not just to
everybody that lives there. Somebody that lives a mile away should be able to come there
and use that park and not feel like they're intruding on a neighborhood. Yes, it's there for the
neighborhood and yes, they have an advantage and have some pride of ownership just by it's
location but it belongs to everybody in the city and I'd like everybody to feel welcome and
have access. There was a suggestion about using the lower area as a basketball area. There's
tremendous access problems with doing any kind of paving operation on there, as well as
providing parking again. There'd be virtually no way to do that either. We have done some
looking at that lower area and we probably will look at that again in the spring as to what
might be done with that lower area. I consider those to be two separate issues. And a lot of
time and planning has gone into this. I don't think this was a spur of the moment decision. I
think we're trying to preserve and use that property for it's best uses. Trying to leave an open
area for playing. Trying to provide some active use for older kids that do need a place to
play and some areas for the young kids so. In my opinion I think this is a great solution and
I think parking is a necessity as well as a responsible of our city and our park board to
provide so I concur with staff recommendation.
Meger: I can't add much more. I guess I concur as well. I appreciate all the residents
coming in and supporting and voicing their opinions and also the attempt to help us save
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some money. It's not often that you see that coming in...so there's obviously some
understanding of our restricted budget. And I appreciate too that people would feel
comfortable with people parking in front of their households, but as Jim stated, unfortunately
people move and we've got new people moving in who might not appreciate that...
Andrews: With those comments, I don't know if we need a motion to act here. We already
have a standing motion. Since there's not support for a motion to reconsider, there is no
action taken by our Board so with that, I would say that this issue has been completed for
now. That doesn't mean at some point down the road something different might happen in
this park or any other park. There's no such thing as a finalized permanent plan for anything
but if something doesn't work out, we have made alterations so. We'd appreciate feedback on
how this works after a year or two. My guess is it will work pretty good. In the past things
usually do work pretty well so. Appreciate your coming. We feel that our prior motion
should stand. With that, it's the work session.
Berg: Was there an answer to why the parking stays up there?..
Resident: I didn't know if it was a city ordinance or just...
Andrews: I think it goes along with city policy. I don't know if I'd call it an ordinance but
we have an obligation to provide access to the play area in particular but to the facility and I
think it creates a feeling of separation when you ask somebody to park on the street and then
walk between houses to go to a park. People don't feel welcomed and I think also neighbors
will complain. Maybe it won't be the neighbors that are there now but the next people that
move in might complain. And also people will cut between houses to cut distance. If
somebody has to park 4 or 5 cars down from the entrance way in order to, because there's
maybe a party at somebody house or something, somebody's going to walk between those
houses and somebody's going to call the city and say, people are trespassing to get to the
park. We don't want to do that. And I would support that action completely but it's just,
every time we try to cut a little corner here on parking, it's come back to bite us. Just every
time and it's not a good idea.
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Resident: Can I ask a question? Do you have a time line on this?
Andrews: When does it happen? Would it be a fall project yet or most likely spring?
Hoffman: It will occur this year.
Andrews: Okay. Looks like it will happen this year, from what Todd says. Again, that
depends on weather.
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A resident in the audience asked a question to Todd.
Hoffman: Depends on if I get a price which exceeds for an outside contractor...The second
phase is not budgeted...
Andrews: Actually our next task is to look at long term capital investment spending so.
Berg: But it's safe to say...
Hoffman: It's a 1995 budgeted item so it meets the...
Andrews: That's a work session that would happen, is that an agenda item or an after agenda
item?
Hoffman: No, it's a public meeting this evening.
Andrews: Okay. That's our next agenda item.
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Hoffman: You'll take it up again in your August meeting and will be published again...and
the City Council will address as part of their budget hearing. So the public has at least three
opportuni ties...
Andrews: This is a long process.
Resident: That would be where...
Andrews: That and all other facilities. We have a small pot with lots of people wanting to
get their share so.
Resident: So is there a specific time you would be discussing Power Hill Park so we could
be there or what would be the right...
Andrews: If our intent is to split this in two, I would guess that would happen at the next
meeting, but I can't tell you for sure. It depends how far we get into this and when we give
up and say it's too late to continue.
Hoffman: Yeah, I would simply recommend that the commission take public comment.
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Andrews: Why don't we do that. Get some of that now. Okay, we'll adjourn until 7:30.
Alright, let's reconvene our meeting and proceed with the work session.
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PARK ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item and asked the commission on the
direction they would like to proceed.
Andrews: My preference would be to hit '96 first and maybe keep some notes about ideas for
the future years and then come back to them and hit those later. At the request of the people
from the Power Hill area, why don't we just talk a little bit about what we've done there for
'95 and our normal practice. There is a play structure. Is it in the ground now?
Hoffman: It's in the ground for the most part. We're waiting on parts for the swing.
Andrews: Okay. Typically the expansional play structure is delayed by a year or two, but
we'd be interested in hearing perhaps what sorts of things might be of interest. That's always
part of our discussion. And other ideas that people from that area may have for that Power
Hill Park, and that would include both the upper level as well as the lower level. We are
planning to look at that lower level again this spring, as far as potential drainage. I believe
we put that on future items. So do you have any comments, ideas, suggestions?
Resident: Well I think I would like to see it graded more on the upper hill because I don't, I
would like to see the upper hill as accessible to the people that are in the court, that is what,
Bluebill Trail Court, or the court that's just across the road to the west. In other words, it's to
be a cul-de-sac. There is a walkway that would halfway be between the two retaining ponds
and then they really only have a grass path to get up to the playground equipment. And there
are a lot and lot of young kids in that area. If you look at our petition, I went around the
back area and there are anywhere from 3 to 7 years and 1 and so forth and they really need
some way of getting to that park with strollers if they can. I don't know what the best way to
do that but I don't think it's very reachable on grass.
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Andrews: Okay.
Resident: I think that may be something we need to look at. I didn't realize that there was
such a problem until I went over and did the first petition and I looked there and they said,
well we can't even get in the park. By the time we get our kids all the way around here and
up Flamingo, they're ready to come home.
Andrews: That's from the lower level to the upper level, along the edge of the park? Okay.
Resident: Following the sidewalk. In other words, if they cannot get up, you know between
the two retaining ponds is a paved path that ends and then grass up the sliding hill up to the
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playground equipment. So in order for them to get to that, and you park...they have to go
out... up here and down Flamingo and up to the top of the hill. That's what they were telling
me. That's what they have to do to be able to use that. So I think we need to look at
something, I know it's very detailed and I notice you talk about not wanting to do pavement
but if we could get some kind of surface that a stroller could go on.
Andrews: We could look at that. We've looked at other...
Resident: ...we don't have a playground...but it'd be nice for the people that live there to go
there. To the top of the hill.
Berg: How much would that actually cut their distance?
Resident: Oh, a lot. All they do is go...top hill and you're there. Versus going all the way
here, and up Flamingo and the hill. It's quite...
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Andrews: All your comments, none of them are going to get on the record because not being
at the mic. You may want to just quickly state your idea on the mic if you could and then
we'll have that for our Minutes.
Susan: Susan...542 Flamingo Drive and it was just that we look at some kind of path to get,
to connect up with the existing pavement that comes down from Bluebird Trail. I guess it's
the...it goes up the side of Vine Hill up to that...
Andrews: Okay, we can look at that.
Susan: The other thing is we did talk about... on the lower area, Is that planned at all for the
future?
Hoffman: It was.
Andrews: Tabled for spring.
Hoffman: Well it was tabled for this discussion, yes. Or for the 1996 budget session,
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Susan: And then the other thing is, do you have any plans for developing that down there?
Or what do you see as uses for that? I have all kinds of ideas but you know, I guess all I
would like to see is that we have some kind of plan and then we...want from there. Because
the neighbors that abut that, I've been around here twice for a petitions and they're really
interested in seeing that developed into something.
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Andrews: Okay. Any other ideas?
Ed Kraft: My name is Ed Kraft and I live at 8711 Flamingo and although I don't have any
small children anymore, it'd certainly be nice if we could finish off that play area up there
because we've got about, once we get the swings put in, it's about 2/3 finished and I know
access is important but if you don't have access for something for the kids to do in the park,
it's not going to do you as much good as well so I would like to...the opportunity of finishing
that off...
Andrews: Any other ideas?
Susan: I guess 1... The phase that we're missing on the playground equipment is the younger
aged phase, right?
Hoffman: The 1 to 5 year olds.
Susan: The 1 to 5 is the second phase then right?
Hoffman: Right.
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Susan: Alright. So the lower playground area, we would still like to see some kind of multi-
purpose backstop which could maybe be used as soccer goals or football goals or something
multi-purpose...
Andrews: Alright. Any others? As a bureaucrat here, what I'm going to do is we're going to
come back to this in order later but we've got the ideas written down. We're going to look at
all these issues and put our wish list in so. You're free to remain if you like but that could
be, maybe not tonight that we'll get to it.
Susan: Will it appear in the paper then, the things that you're discussing for that...?
Andrews: You could contact Todd and see if we got anything discussed tonight. Nothing's
going to be finalized tonight. It will come back next meeting for tabulation of the numbers
and see where we stand and maybe a re-prioritizing. Typically what we do is we kind of go
through the whole wish list and then we shake it out to what we can actually consider doing
so the next meeting will actually be another opportunity to see what we're thinking about
doing.
Hoffman: So I would recommend you contact to receive the Minutes from that particular
portion of their discussion. The Minutes are prepared 2 weeks after the...and then we receive
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those for this meeting and then following meetings. If you don't agree with the
recommendation which the commission passes to the City Council, then you voice your issue
of concern to the City Council.
Andrews: Alright. Now let's go back to the top of the list here. I know some of these items
will be able to go by quicker than other's. First park is Bandimere. Being that it's one of the
key items of the referendum we're considering, I would say that this item be left as is at this
point.
Manders: Yep. No changes.
Andrews: No changes, alright. Todd, if you have things to add at any point, please do.
Hoffman: Through 1999 or.
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Andrews: Well, if the referendum goes through, supposedly that would take care of the park
and we already have a plan in existence. I don't see what more we would need to put in at
this point. Bandimere Heights. We had talked about play area refurbishment. Is that still,
$8,000. Is that going to be enough to do it?
Berg: Could I ask a dumb question? Because it shows on all the other things too. What is
play area refurbishment? What do you mean by that?
Hoffman: Refurbishment, that description, and we're going to talk a little bit about Curry
Farms tonight. The 1995 item. We have the ADA, which we always have to update, so if
you can...and touches or remodels a play area after updating, you also have to bring it up to
those consumer product safety commission guidelines and the American standard...guidelines.
So not only...we're going to add a swing because it kicks in all this other stuff. So you end
up spending, right now on a $10,000.00 project you get about $2,000.00 or $1,500.00 in used
stuff, you spend the rest of these on updates. So Curry Farms for 1995, we have $8,000.00 in
there. When I asked for the preliminary proposal to present the new plan, you would have
received. It's all...simply blow up the existing equipment. Replace it with other pieces and
add on. Add some trails and put it right back in place for $8,000.00. When you do these
refurbishments, and you want to get something for your money, you've got to jack them up
and that's on the old replacements. Obviously on the new ones, like Power Hill, it meets all
the standards so you're going to get out of this cycle but it's going to take you 6 to 8 or 10
years.
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Andrews: Let's sort of re-ask the question. Is $8,000.00, that's just to bring it up to code?
No additions?
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Hoffman: That wouldn't do much for you. Bandimere is also, for those of you who are
familiar with it, oh from the back corner and draw it up and the tire swing is going in this
year and it services. You know this number may have been put in there 3, 4, 5 years ago. 2,
3, 4, 5 years ago and it services the neighborhood for the most part...
Roeser: Would you say like 15?
Hoffman: Yeah, to make sense of it. And I don't think if you went down there and looked at
the park and what they have there today and...probably would not justify $15,000.00
additional expense for that.
Andrews: So what you're saying is 0 or 15?
Hoffman: Yeah.
Berg: And most of the 15's going to go to refurbishment? Adding more equipment.
Hoffman: Well, you'll get more equipment. That size of structure, it's going to take you
$6,000.00, $7,000.00, $8,000.00 to add trails, resilient material, and update putting all kick
plates and update all of the safety areas and ADA standards so. Spend a lot of money on
updating.
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Andrews: So what you're saying is it does provide an adequate service as is?
Hoffman: In my opinion, it does yes.
Andrews: I value your opinion. I would recommend that we skip.
Roeser: Yep, scratch the 8.
Berg: Let's make a note that we look at that in the future. Look at down the line a little bit.
Andrews: Yeah, I'd say look at like a '98 replace. Bluff Creek. Are there any other
comments Bandimere Heights? Nothing else there, right? Bluff Creek Park is intended to be
a passive space so nothing needs to happen there, correct?
Hoffman: Correct. Jane, she now has a commitment to the Bluff Creek task force and we
could expand it to, at some point you may be asked or you may wish to commit dollars to the
Bluff Creek issue, which is currently being undertaken. Some dollars from the referendum, if
it passes. There's dollars from the certain block management programs. Dollars for the task
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force which Jane is joining will receive grant dollars. They receive money from the
watershed district and so depending on your level of commitment...this would be the
appropriate area. Otherwise put it under other expenses. Bluff Creek drainage way issues.
Manders: What length or what portion or what area is this considered to be?
Hoffman: This is just the 21 acres at the bottom. They're looking at the entire watershed.
Manders: So this is the 21 acres in the bottom from where to where?
Roeser: From where? From the trail down, is that?
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Hoffman: No, from the trail up. From the railroad trail, as you stand on the railroad bed and
that goes from that point up approximately half a mile up the creek. It's that bottom piece of
ground. There's about 21 acres in there. It was part of the Hesse Farm Addition. So 20-21
acres when the Hesse Farm was platted. Additionally, or originally when it was platted, there
was no public open space. And then the city leaders at that time, whether it be Park
Commission or Planning Commission or City Council, said no. That's not right. That Bluff
Creek is going to be something someday so they took this 21 acres and asked for it to be set
aside as passive space and they put some qualifiers on it that it remain uninhibited. That
there be access to it until the entire Bluff Creek plan is put into place.
Manders: That was my next question. There isn't access. It's just there.
Hoffman: Until it's put into the bigger context.
Andrews: Alright. Let's move on then. Carver Beach Park. We've put some incidental
monies into this. Any other needs that you note Todd? Small items. Grass and so forth.
Hoffman: ...Nothing that stands out. The main beach play equipment is replaced. The rope
swing has been cut down, as a side note. The actual tree where the rope swing was for years
has been eliminated.
Andrews: By us or by?
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Hoffman: By a...It was a basswood that was hollow in the center and the rope swing that
was up there was 60 some feet in the air. ...burn it down, shoot it down or cut the tree down.
We chose to cut it down but for the most part, the two beach areas operate for the community
and the neighborhood effectively but I wouldn't be surprised if that park, somebody always
has an initiative that they bring forward so that's why the contingency.
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Manders: Who was, last year was the main thing we were doing there was just signing
specific parking?
Hoffman: Yeah.
Roeser: Did a sign ever go up saying there was no lifeguard on duty and that sort of thing?
Hoffman: Those are not in place as of today but they will be in place, yes.
Berg: Parking is a real problem.
Hoffman: Parking, next to...snowmobiles, really comes to a head every June.
Roeser: Wasn't bad this year though. Not like last year.
Hoffman: I had quite a few calls.
Roeser: Did you?
Hoffman: Actually I participated in a Saturday afternoon there with my family. We had to
park in a friend's driveway up the street. But there's people parking everywhere and so when
the calls came in on Monday, I said well I was there and...
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Andrews: There's nothing we can do. Leave it alone. Alright. Carver Beach Playground.
What's the condition of the equipment that's on that property?
Hoffman: It's been nearly, well it's been 100% refurbished in the past 3 years.
Andrews: Any need for any more picnic tables or, at either of these two parks to be honest.
Are we in pretty good shape there?
Hoffman: Yeah. Picnic tables are incidental. They're included...
Andrews: Well, we're still...without spending any money. I know that will change but.
Meger: Give it to the Bluff Creek.
Andrews: Chanhassen Estates Mini Park. Does the plan there include any further additions
to that play equipment or is that one also finished?
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Hoffman: No. The equipment was purchased at the National Recreation and Park Show
here in town so they discounted it 50% and it does not include ADA transfer... The first quote
I had was $2,500.00 from Value Recreation to add that. I just used that number and said,
well nevertheless, you're going to have to get into that conversation...
Andrews: 3 grand or?
Hoffman: $3,000.00 might take care of that. There is room for spring animals, if you look at
those. They're about $600.00 each.
Andrews: So a total of $4,500.00 should cover it?
Manders: What was that last thing?
Andrews: Spring animals.
Manders: Oh, spring animals. Okay. I didn't quite catch that.
. Andrews: Alright, that's $4,500.00.
Berg: What year are we putting that?
Andrews: '96. If we don't spend that, we won't get as much next year so.
Berg: Oh geez. Let's not get into that mentality.
Andrews: Chan Hills Park.
Hoffman: They had the expansion, which included, will be installed this year. It was to be
installed 1995 I believe. No, 1994 was the budget year...annual audit which now costs
$300.00. It takes in excess of a month. We'll have it completed by Earl F. Anderson so this
thing was pushed out to 1995 so the equipment's going in this year for the refurbishment at
Chanhassen Hills.
Andrews: So we're in good shape on that one.
Hoffman: Yeah, we have 5 nice trees and the trail is improved. The volleyball's in.
Roeser: Do we put a rink there too in the winter time?
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Hoffman: Last year was the first year...
Roeser: Did it work? I mean any comments?
Hoffman: Boy, I don't recall any specific comments.
Manders: How does the trail link to that park fit in? I mean isn't that going in this year.
Hoffman: Barbara Court? Barbara Court connection is going, the Chanhassen Hills
connection is going from Barbara Court to Lake Susan Hills. It's under construction right
now.
Manders: Doesn't that go around like Lyman and then towards CR 17 or Powers?
Hoffman: No.
Roeser: It goes right through the middle of that little park.
Hoffman: It starts right in, there's a little trail that's in the park which goes from roadway to
roadway. From one side of the park to the other and then the next connection for Chanhassen
Hills simply starts in Barbara Court on the west side of the development and it goes to Lake
Susan.
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Manders: Oh, it stays on that side. It doesn't get over to Lake Susan Park?
Hoffman: Yeah.
Roeser: You have to go around the west side of Lake Susan to wind up at Lake Susan Park.
Manders: But isn't there that low land area? That wetlands down there?
Hoffman: You cross that.
Manders: You go right through that.
Hoffman: We cross it on a dike, as far as...
Roeser: Not yet. Pretty soon though.
Hoffman: Pretty darn soon.
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Manders: So is that right in the middle down there so you don't, okay.
Hoffman: ...but then it flooded out the old trail alignment. People said, well we still want
the trail but we also like that open water so bring them both back. The project which evolved
was a dike to back up the water and then the trail comes over the top of the dike, close to the
east side of the wetlands so they can run along the base...
Manders: Oh, okay. Then that comes into the, I don't remember the same of the
development but just on the east side of CR 17. It comes into that housing development?
Hoffman: Lake Susan Hills West.
Manders: Yeah. And then comes out to what, CR 17? Or no, it probably goes right down
to that trail link down there.
Hoffman: Yeah, the trail that's already there.
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Manders: Okay.
Hoffman: It's going to be a slick deal.
Manders: When is that going in?
Hoffman: Well it's under construction right now. It should be done in 3 weeks. When the
landowners, the landowners we worked with 4 years ago, they had a house on this side of the
trail and we wanted to install a trail bed at that time so they could landscape up against it so
they could kind of start getting used to it. And in fact today all of that will come out and it
will be replaced with this new trail. When you meet with these residents, same old thing...
and they ask the question. What do you suppose, how many people are going to use this and
my response is, a lot. They say, well that's the wrong answer. That Chanhassen Hills area
IS...
Manders: Accessibility. Same issues with TH 101 north.
Andrews: Is there a loop down there? A paved loop... Okay, Chan Pond Park. Did that trail
get done on that?
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Hoffman: The trail, all of the segments, which were included in that connection, I put out to
bid for proposal for engineering services and the bids came back for engineering services, just
about as high as the trail work itself. So I pulled it out and I will hopefully complete it as
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the sister to the project which is taking place up there on water resources...be done by this
fall. The second leg from Big Horn Drive, is going to be completed. The project we just got
done describing down here, the same contractor was awarded the project up in the back part
of Meadow Green Park where the houses back into that wetland back there. That's being, the
project's being completed there as well so they'll asphalt that segment and I'm going to try
and get them to come down and asphalt this segment underneath that project because our
cost, if we don't incur the engineering costs nearly as bad. We incur some added some costs
to their unit prices because as we change, the prices go up. And then we'll complete the
other segment down at the end of Carver Beach Park as a part of that project as well. This
$16,000.00 will be expanded in 1995...
Manders: What kind of shape is that other bridge down in the bottom there?
Hoffman: We have...perfectly fine shape.
Manders: But I mean isn't there one closer to Kerber? Isn't there a walking bridge? Not the
one down there where the stream runs under.
Hoffman: That's in about the same shape as the other one. It's serviceable but it's not an
engineering wonder.
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Roeser: That was a Scout project, wasn't it?
Hoffman: Yes.
Andrews: Pretty good job actually. Chan Rec Center. I envision contingency dollars needed
here, just for stuff that's going to come up. And I don't know what that could be but there
will be uses that will surprise us, I'm sure. I'd like to see us. Personally I'd like to see us set
aside quite a sizeable contingency budget this year for a number of potential large projects
that are coming on line, including the Stockdale, Minnewashta and the Rec Center. All of
which could place a lot of money.
Berg: Including the round house.
Andrews: Well the round house is part of the Minnewashta project. Would we designate
contingency funds just for the Rec Center or just put them in the general budget and hold it?
Hoffman: It would be a good idea, because it is going to be designated separately. I've also
clarify to the commission, there's a staged effect to acquisition of equipment so we can pursue
acquisition of the majority of the strength equipment and aerobics equipment in '95 but we
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put off 8 pieces of strength equipment to 1996 which will be about a $24,000.00 expenditure.
$25,000.00, and I'll have to question city management, the City Manager on whether or not
they will hold open the financing mechanism in the tax increment district for that expenditure
money. My belief is that they will but I need to get that question answered.
Andrews: I guess the better question is, is it dangerous for us to have contingency money
designated if you're about to ask a question to another entity to pay the bill?
Hoffman: I have every belief that they'll pay it... It gives another option but they've always
tried to protect...
Andrews: Okay. I'd like to see, and I'm just grabbing a number of $10,000.00 set aside as a
contingency fund for the Rec Center.
Manders: I think there's going to be a lot of questions there. Unknown issues.
Berg: Are we short on playground equipment? I don't remember that conversation?
. Hoffman: The school has a relatively small piece of playground equipment. For a $10
million investment into the school and the rec center...
(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
Andrews: Remember he said he wanted to have an instant park. He didn't want to have..he
wanted to have something there right away...that's not an issue.
Meger: I think he wanted at least the plans to be in place that he could tell people what the
park.
Roeser: Yeah, but if we don't own the land, what's the point? I think we once we get the
property is when we should start talking about spending money.
Andrews: I agree...Greenwood Shores. We have a trail addition there.
Hoffman: That's completed this year and...
Andrews: Nothing new there then?
Hoffman: It's not an item that needs to be included in '96.
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Manders: That's a nice spot. I mean that trail completion up to the road is good. And then
the rest of the trail link to Lake Ann is fixed up in a couple spots so.
Hoffman: It will still need the entire...
Manders: My biggest question on that is the drainage there. I mean the water just collects
along there in like a sponge. You can't get it across.
Hoffman: That's where it's...added additional drain tile to try and get the water to move...
Andrews: So far we've allocated $24,500.00. Herman Field, we have a play area expansion.
When was the Phase I done there? Is that '93?
Hoffman: '93 sounds correct.
Andrews: That one's about due.
Hoffman: Preliminary... For a Phase II?
Andrews: Yes, please do. We could pencil in what, $20,000.00? That's typically what
they're running now? Do we want to move that one up one year or not? Well, let's pencil it
in and we can come back and cut it if it doesn't fit with the rest of our budget. Lake Ann,
we had a big ticket item there. Pencil in for '96 for the shelter, $50,000.00.
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Hoffman: The concept there is continuing to moving Lake Ann Park forward to a full service
capability and evolve that picnic shelter...simple a roof under which you can congregate your
party and take refuge from the weather... But the location which was proposed is that Park
View picnic area. We have...That's the thought behind it. To go back in 1996.
Manders: So this shelter would be, I guess I'm still not sure where.
Hoffman: Where it would be?
Roeser: Where and what?
Hoffman: Lake Ann essentially...Highway 5 and the lake. The trail to Greenwood Shores.
As you drive in the entrance road and...parking lot in this configuration. There's a turn
around by the beach. On top of that hill there's another parking lot. Right on top of this hill,
above the beach, the park view picnic tables. ...this parking lot. It's called Park View Picnic
area. Right now there's no water services up there...large grill for those community picnics.
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Company picnics. Many of them choose to, many of these organizations choose to bring up a
tent... It's also a location which the fireworks are viewed annually and so the concept here is
to put some kind of shelter in...
Andrews: What does everybody think of that?
Manders: I'm not sure I like that idea.
Roeser: I'm not sure either that I'd like a building on top of that hill.
Manders: I guess I've not really looked at it close enough to see if I'd like it there.
Berg: I've been up there fireworks.
Roeser: Oh sure, we'll be up there for fireworks. It's just looks out. It's a great view.
Berg: I'd like to go out and take a look at it.
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Hoffman: Yeah, the future improvements there which are, as the park continues to mature,
the other parking lot which comes off and goes down to the beach, the parking lot which is
up here was a design element which unfortunately takes up the nicest vista from anywhere in
the park. This particular hill here provides just a beautiful view, both down to the river
valley and then back out to Lake Ann. ...and then the other element, which is a major cost
item would be replacing this building, the number one if you would, contribution of ideas
from our softball players is to put a meaningful park shelter building in that location.
Manders: With a concession type stand or something.
Hoffman: With concessions and with real bathrooms. So you'd have a similar type shelter
with fronting underneath would be covered for picnic tables and then you would have a
concession area off of that. You'd also incorporate restrooms and storage in this building.
Andrews: Just a typical half million dollar building.
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Hoffman: Typical and expensive building, yes. Concessions are expensive. This is similar
to what Chaska has in many of their community sites so when softball players go down to
play at Chaska, if you've been down to their athletic park, Frontier Park...somewhat of a
prototype building in this configuration and that and a design element and the architectural
features and the materials have been...that building anywhere from $100,000.00 up to
$250,000.00. That's what the park shelter building at the Bluff Creek
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Elementary...$240,000.00. It would be anywhere from there on down. I would think about
$100,000.00 would be about a minimum.
Andrews: I put the dollars into the calculator here but I agree. I'd like to see that spot. I'm
a little hesitant to plop a building up there. I start feeling like we're just paving over our park
and I'm a little hesitant about doing that. When you say that companies have come in here
and put up tents, I think great. Here we've got a multi-use space. It's open if you want it to
be open but if somebody has to have a picnic that they've got to get off and make sure it
goes, they can get a tent. It hasn't been an item I've heard a lot come from you as to people
saying geez, we've got to have this so. We just spent a ton on that other pavilion, which is
right next to it. Is that getting used heavily?
Hoffman: Absolutely.
Manders: The question really is, if we're going to put something up there, do you put it up
and make it more accessible for softball or the ballfields, or do you put up this which isn't
accessible. I don't think it'd be a question that either would get used a lot. You'd get the
reservations for both. The question really is, do we even want to put it in that spot.
Andrews: I'd like to look at that. I put it into the dollars just to give us a running total.
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Resident: ...Iittle bit of input here. At one of the meetings I attended over the last several
months here, and I know Chris Polster from CAA came forward and said that he would very
much like to work with the Park Commission here in developing plans and development some
type of plan to work better...future direction of Chanhassen. I know that from dealing with
my favorite experience, scheduling the softball and they have baseball leagues, is a very
difficult process and I don't know what the answer is there but I would very much suggest
that the group, or maybe Todd contact Chris Polster and get his input there and what they feel
their needs might be. I don't know if that needs putting up more lights or developing more
ball space but there's a real high demand for that type of recreation. And I don't know if it
comes into Lake Ann or not but that's kind...
Andrews: October 17th. Write that date down. That's the referendum date to buy more
space and develop Bandimere, which would provide more ballfields too so.
Hoffman: ...commission and the 1995 park task force...and Chairman Andrews is correct.
The Bandimere question will go on there most likely and the development of Bandimere city
park. Then one of the other issues which was discussed, was the Athletic Association and
their needs and their requests that...for additional support from staff and youth coordinators...
Everybody's very happy that Bluff Creek Elementary is going to come on line. At the request
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from the association over the years...improve Lake Ann Park have been well received by the
Park Commission and... I think it's a real policy question...
Andrews: I certainly think this idea about concession building, which we're talking about for
maybe '97, that should certainly have some input from the various groups that use it. I mean
first of all we want to make sure it serves our needs but second of all, we certainly would not
want to deprive them of a chance of funding either. You never know. If we were at a point
saying that $100,000.00 is our budget. We're not willing to spend anymore and therefore we
can't provide these certain amenities, I mean a group may say geez. If we can raise our own
money, would you be willing to put it in? I'm sure then we'd want to talk.
Resident: Okay. Appreciate it. Thanks.
Hoffman: Lake Ann...
Andrews: What happened to the farm house, or that still stays, right?
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Hoffman: The farm house will stay. The entrance to the park will be modified.
Reconfigured so the road will stop at the farm entrance...
Andrews: Lake Susan. That one's pretty much set, isn't it?
Hoffman: Yeah. In the...before you exactly what it was. You have a contribution of
$10,000.00, which has been on the table for over, well it's been about a year now since last
August.
Roeser: Is that from the Legion or where is that money coming from?
Hoffman: It's from the Park Commission to start the...in regards to lighting. Ballfield
lighting, so it's your...contribution so if anyone else would like to pick that up.
Andrews: Are we talking about $40,000.00-$50,000.00 was it?
Hoffman: $50,000.00-$60,000.00.
Berg: Does the Legion...
Hoffman: We've talked to the Legion and it simply takes the coordination of all these
projects. Just as your opportunities to finance things are limited...
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Andrews: You hire an independent contractor on a commission basis to chase down one.
Part of me says we ought to squeeze the pot for more money to encourage somebody to jump
in it but the other side says let's wait. Wait for some response before we do that...
Roeser: Why an archery range twice on there?
Hoffman: They...and we could simply move into that...Those were purchased as a capital
expense...
Andrews: Meadow Green, the refurbishment. Is that done?
Hoffman: Playground refurbishment is done.
Andrews: Okay. Any other things that we need there?
Hoffman: ...real concern about parking.
Andrews: Too much or too little?
Hoffman: Very little parking. Too people parking in the street.
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Berg: It's probably down to...and then they cut through.
Hoffman: Well that's been somewhat eliminated by that fence...clarify that. And as I talked
with this caller and it seems more of a policy. There's not much room to add parking. We
could add more asphalt...
Andrews: How many slots do we have there?
Hoffman: It's a large parking lot.
Manders: Probably about 20.
Andrews: That's enough.
Berg: It's the biggest parking area for a neighborhood park that we've got.
Andrews: You don't want it to be destination parking. For big events because that's what
will happen.
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Manders: The biggest problem is that it is used. I mean it's a scheduled area so you have a
lot of people coming there viewing their kids doing whatever they're doing.
Roeser: Yeah, and that lasts for a couple hours and then it's.
Berg: My bias says more and more trees for Meadow Green.
Andrews: More trees?
Berg: More trees.
Andrews: How much do we put in for that? $2,000.00 for trees. We're at 96.5, including
Lake Ann pavilion and the $20,000.00 contingency so we're in very good shape.
Minnewashta Boulevard Park. I think we need to stock some money into this one. This
would be another thing where I think we need like a contingency block just to go in there.
We've got a potential building reclamation project. We're got park design issues.
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Roeser: What about the cost of knocking the house and the barn down?
Andrews: That's part of purchasing. Well now we've got to budget the money for dealing
with that round house, one way or the other. If we knock it down, it's our money. If we
keep it, it's our money. So I think we need some pretty major dollars here. What have we
got left here?
Berg: Well this is preliminary.
Hoffman: $110,000.00. For comparison, the Herman Field Park project, if you remember
back 4 or 5 years ago, you have about the same. You have a raw tract of land and you have
to have an entrance road, parking lot and the initial improvements. That was carried out at
Herman Field 4 or 5 years ago for $50,000.00...initial contract, engineering and design and
contingent costs above that but at $60,000.00... This is a bigger project.
Andrews: This is nowhere near where I live but this is one that I think we ought to really hit
it. It's a piece of property that we've waited forever to get. How would people feel about
like $70,000.00?
Roeser: I just wrote that down.
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Manders: I guess I don't have a perspective on need. I mean I know there's a need there but
how much?
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Andrews: There's basically no open space recreational facility available for anybody on that
side of Lake Minnewashta.
Hoffman: There's a need and the question's been asked over and over of staff. I've postured
my response. I say well, the commission and the city have just made a very big investment
and they may just not be willing to come right back...
Manders: And that's really what I'm saying by need. I'm not suggesting that there isn't an
actual use need out there but just how much of it are we going to develop and jump into
immediately... response.
Roeser: Yeah, what you're telling them is good. That we're making a big investment just
buying it.
Andrews: Lower expectations. Just because we throw a block of money in a district, doesn't
mean we would have any for next year so.
Manders: So what minimal kinds of things are required? I mean I'm not talking playgrounds
and ballfields right away or whatever. I mean what does it take to get the park a park?
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Roeser: No, but like the barn could be somewhat of a liability if you leave it stand.
Hoffman: That will come down.
Roeser: Yeah, it has to come down.
Hoffman: The initial improvements would be site grading, which are not included in the first
grading. The city can grade that.
Manders: That, seeding, trees. Those kind of things.
Hoffman: The parking lots, trails.
Manders: Exactly. How much does that take?
Hoffman: Bringing in water into the site.
Andrews: We'll drop 70 in the blink of an eye out there.
Manders: Well I'm sure we will.
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Andrews: But the thing is too, if you've got the right kind of equipment out there knocking
buildings down, you can do the, rough some grading too while they're there. If you're using
bulldozers.
Hoffman: The owner's responsibility. All they want to do is knock that stuff down all the
way and say here.
Andrews: I'd just like to call it development grant. $70,000.00.
Manders: Yeah. I mean that's fine.
Andrews: If we're not ready for it this year, it's held in the budget for a future year.
Berg: ...look at that pavilion or whatever we're calling it at Lake Ann to transfer some of that
$50,000.00 to add to the 70.
Andrews: We could. I mean I'd like to look at that idea first and then decide but.
Berg: My sense is if people see that things are being graded and trees are being put in,
they'll be happy with that for a while. At least they'll see there's some movement.
Andrews: And I look at the pavilion at Lake Ann as, you know it's a nice addition but we
don't have to have it to have things work out. I guess I agree. If I were going to say
something, boy it'd be nice to really put the money over to this side.
Berg: It was enough of a priority that we've been putting it into a contingency fund for years
to acquire the property. It probably should be a priority to...
Andrews: How do you feel about that?
Meger: I'm comfortable with that. I'd still like to go out and look.
Andrews: Let's go out and look and make a decision but I guess I'm kind of leaning the
same way, which is to say let's divert the money to Minnewashta and really go after that. I'll
put $70,000.00 in.
Hoffman: As I think about it, it's wise. We often have where we come upon the issue where
we want to start initial development. The end of the summer we want to have playground
and grass and it hasn't happened. So you start the basic things, initial development in '96 and
in '97 and '98...and finish the park up. Really we know that it's a 3 to 5 year process by the
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time you pick out a piece of ground and you started making improvements before you have a
park.
Andrews: Well it's nice to have some action too. This has been a 6 year project.
Minnewashta Heights. Nothing happening there. Pardon me?
Hoffman: It's in pretty good shape.
Manders: Is that one over, next to Shorewood?
Hoffman: On the south side of Highway 7.
Roeser: Oh, that little tiny thing, right?
Manders: Where those trees were that they were trying to re-arrange the ballfield.
Hoffman: That's on Cathcart. That's on the north side of TH 7. That's Shorewood's park in
Chanhassen. They...we've got the ground.
Manders: And this is where?
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Hoffman: South of Highway 7. It's actually five residential lots, which were taken out of the
plat. So it's right there on the south side.
Manders: It's a fairly new thing then?
Hoffman: No, it's been there for years. 20 years. It's on Dogwood.
Berg: Does it have anything there?
Hoffman: Oh yeah. It's got a nice skating rink in the winter. Nice big playground
equipment, which has been refurbished in the center of the site.
Manders: We've probably been through there and I just.
Roeser: We drive by it.
Manders: Have we been through there?
Hoffman: As I drive, I've pointed to it.
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Manders: Oh, it's over there thing...
Hoffman: The only question on there is, on an annual basis is should we or should we not
spend the money to drive all the way up there and dump a bunch of water for an ice skating
rink so.
Roeser: It's right by a lake.
Andrews: Let's move on to North Lotus. The hockey rink with lights is happening as we
speak, isn't it?
Hoffman: Yep.
Manders: Is that what that action is up there?
Andrews: Yeah, my wife called me in a panic wondering who's destroying the park.
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Roeser: You said you were.
Andrews: Yep. There's nothing more that needs to be done there. That's been ambitiously
developed over the last few years.
Berg: There's plenty of soccer fields?
Andrews: Well there's one there you can use...yeah, you need a little open space too. Plus
there's not the parking and the neighbors go nuts so. Pheasant Hill. That one just got a
pretty big hit this year. Probably looking at what, '97 or '98 for expansion on that one? I'd
say probably '98.
Hoffman: They're pretty happy.
Andrews: Yep, yep. They're happy for now.
Hoffman: Pretty darn happy.
Andrews: Power Hill. I'd like to look at the trail for the upper hill.
Roeser: Yeah, I've got to look at that too. I didn't understand exactly what she was talking
about.
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Meger: What's the cost of tiling again?
Andrews: We're going to look at that in the spring. If it were my money, I wouldn't do it. I
look at low probability of good results.
Manders: I just have a problem with that lower area, spending too much money on it.
There's no parking down there.
Roeser: Leave it alone. Let the kids play on it.
Manders: Yep, that's my feeling.
Andrews: Please drain all our sump water out of here for us...okay. I'd like to look at that
one as a separate item. We'll have contingency money next year. If we think it's worthy,
we'll do it. If it's not, we'll pass on it. I would like to look at that trail as a potential item.
That one we could hide in contingency money too?
Hoffman: Pretty nice project.
Andrews: I don't want to commit budget dollars to it without looking at it. Let's put that as
something to look at and I guess I'd say, at this point I'm not willing to say commit dollars
without at least knowing what's there. Maybe that's a '97 item.
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Roeser: Yeah, we stuck quite a bit of money in that park.
Berg: Into contingency.
Andrews: Okay, that's fine.
Roeser: Where's Prairie Knoll?
Andrew: Prairie Knoll.
Hoffman: It's on Powers. It's $10,000.00 is not in here in '95 but that was...
Andrews: So it has yet to get a Phase I or is that the Phase II?
Hoffman: It has yet to even be developed.
Andrews: We weren't intending to develop that one, were we?
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Roeser: Where is that park?
Manders: Is it off Galpin? Off that way.
Hoffman: Yeah. We planted a bunch of trees there this year. As you cross Highway 5 and
head on down Powers, and then you've got the Lake Susan pond and the new townhomes that
are going in at the corner. The first road that goes up into Lake Susan. Lake Susan is here.
There's two farm fields left. One is right on this corner and going to be, that will be
townhomes. The next piece of open space is the park. It goes right like this and then has a
little stub that comes in and you've got...So the trail access to Duck Court, which will be
constructed. The trail stubs right into here and then it will go, the new trail on Powers and
the plans says that there should be a piece of play equipment right here and that's it for the
development of that park. And then as far as the tree planting program, we planted a big
band of seedlings in this area so it's all grass right now and the idea is to reforest it. You
have houses that back up to the entire thing.
. Berg: Those are Joe Miller's?
Hoffman: Yep, Joe Miller's. And then these houses would benefit from this open space.
Just being there is open space and growing some trees up and buffering them from Powers
Boulevard. The plan is, this was acquired 8-9 years ago so this plan that is on file is 8 or 9
years old.
Andrews: We should make that happen. That's overdue. The $10,000.00, that's not up to
current trusts anymore. $20,000.00? $20,000.00 will buy you $10,000.00 from before.
Hoffman: Well actually the $22,000.00 was tied in to Power Hill Park.
Andrews: Great. $22,000.00. Let's put it in there and see what happens. We're at
$188,500.00 with doing everything so far. Rice Marsh. Oops, there's another one. Is this
one we're going to have to get or is this one we leave alone?
Hoffman: I would recommend we leave it alone but I would like to take a look at the safety
standards for the...to ensure that we're. We don't have some new issues there.
Andrews: Okay. So scratch the 7 but maybe.
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Hoffman: The other...Prairie Knoll is that the only access you will is from Duck Court.
Andrews: So there's no parking.
Hoffman: No, there's no parking. It's a neighborhood walk through. Through to the
playground and then when this trail system is up and running, people could gain access from
this location. It's in the back yard of a house.
Andrews: It doesn't make sense to put $22,000.00 worth of playground equipment when
nobody can drive a car to use it.
Hoffman: Not without looking at it. Looking at it and taking a look at the plan which is 9
years old.
Andrews: Have they been lining up to get that? They talk about it. Folks, before the trail
was there, as well as Lake Susan Park they said, you know we don't have our playground
equipment at Prairie Knoll Park. We can't get to Lake Susan and so do something.
Meger: Are we going on a field trip before our next meeting?
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Hoffman: We could take a look at some of these issues...schedule it.
Roeser: Yeah, I'd like to look at that.
Andrews: It's getting tougher to put up neighborhood playground equipment if you can't
provide drive up access because the cost is just getting so large. It's going to be almost like
tennis. You've got to have drive to neighborhood playground structures instead of
neighborhood neighborhood play structures. Which doesn't make sense but... Let's leave the
dollar figure in the budget but let's look at that one before we finalize it. Rice Marsh, we're
going to scratch that but you're going to come back and maybe give us a surprise on that one.
South Lotus doesn't need anything. It shouldn't.
Hoffman: No. That park is, other than...! don't like to spend the park commission's dollars
on curbing but, we could probably work with water resources on that or some other
maintenance dollars. The slope of that driveway and turn around area does not control itself
very well during high runoff so we did direct wash out into the lake and so. It was in the
budget some time ago but that was $15,000.00-$20,000.00 that nobody wanted to spend on
curbing when they could spend it on playground equipment.
Andrews: Didn't the city just do a re-work on the water drainage there, like 2 years ago?
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Manders: Wasn't there a water quality question there not too long ago?
Hoffman: Yeah. Jack Melby brings that in. It's an ongoing issue. I'll tackle that at a
different angle.
Andrews: Sunset Ridge. I don't remember what that park had planned for it.
Hoffman: It's got a Phase I and Phase II. It has a hockey rink. For the future, when the
frontage road is complete. Parking lot and frontage road is complete. There's a ballfield
sitting on the... There's a road planned.
Andrews: So this is an access problem for this one at this point?
Hoffman: Yeah.
Andrews: Let's wait until we've got access. Stone Creek. Now is that that wooded piece?
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Hoffman: Yep. Neighborhood is about 80% filled out.
Andrews: How about some picnic benches and leave it alone I guess.
Hoffman: Yeah, they're going to want a piece of playground equipment. 80% of the people
that are there, are there.
Andrews: We don't even have a park plan for this thing though.
Hoffman: No. You'll have a park planning seminar or park planning workshop with the
neighborhood this winter so you'll hear from them then.
Manders: I'm not sure where this is at. Where is this?
Hoffman: Stone Creek is off on Galpin Boulevard, south of the school.
Roeser: Way down.
Hoffman: The park is 8 acres of trees and ravine but then there's a piece on the road which
is retained as open space. And there's about 1 acre...
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Roeser: How close is this right to that big wetlands, isn't that? Isn't that some of the
proximity or is it on the other side of the road?
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Hoffman: Other side of the road. Other side of the road, farther south.
Manders: Okay, I got you then.
Andrews: This is on rolling topography with one small flat area that we could use.
Hoffman: All this, at least in my mind scheduled for this is some picnic area and a piece of
playground equipment. That's it.
Andrews: Well I think we can defer this one until '97 by working out a plan in '96.
Roeser: If we talk to them in '96.
Andrews: Then it's got to happen in '97. Then it does have to happen. So figure about
$25,000.00 in '97, because that's what it will cost by the time we get there.
Hoffman: Yeah. Where do you save? This is a more intriguing concept because it goes
from the top of the hill to the bottom.
Andrews: So we could have some fun with this one. Have you seen that park that
Shorewood built over off of old Market Road there? Is it Market Road that comes off of
Vine Hill and goes up to Highway 7. They've got a piece of some equipment built into the
hillside. They've got a slide and some equipment and a little basketball hoop thing.
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Manders: It's off Vine Hill?
Andrews: It's just off of Vine Hill, off of, is it Market Road? So this one actually could cost
more if we do some intriguing things with it so figure what, $30,000.00 for '97? Easy come,
easy go. Is there really any capital budget expense in developing a plan?
Hoffman: Out here?
Andrews: In '96.
Hoffman: In developing Stone Creek?
Andrews: Yeah.
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Hoffman: No. They've...Hans Hagen Development...full credit and full trail credit for
construction of the trail. And then as a part of the development contract they graded, rough
graded the park so it's...
Andrews: We're at $188,500.00 with everything we've said we definitely want to do, but that
did not include the Rice Lake Park, what if.
Roeser: And you left the 50 grand in for Lake.
Andrews: I left the 50 in but that may be diverted from one place to another. You could...
Manders: What was the what if? I guess I didn't follow.
Andrews: Rice Lake Park with that, if it had to be upgraded or not. So we're within our
potential range, even with a little bit of contingency money.
Manders: That's workable.
. Andrews: Pretty close. So why don't you come back to us next time and then we'll see what
that Rice Marsh Lake looks like and we'll go look at a couple places and then I think we can
get this taken care of pretty easily. We've got a lot of fudge actually with the Minnewashta
Park and the pavilion thing. Just adjust those numbers to keep this in line.
Hoffman: The decision on the process is public but there's an indication that...newspaper
informed people of the 1996, is being developed so that may bring more residents in to your
next meeting. So you may receive more resident requests.
Andrews: Oh goody.
Hoffman: It's part of the process.
Andrews: Well, I think we made enough progress. Let's go home. Do we need to adjourn?
Mandel~ moved, Meger seconded to adjoum the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion
canied. The meeting was adjoumed.
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Park and Recreation Director
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PROPOSAL:
Conceptual and Preliminary PUD rezoning the property from A2,
Agricultural Estate to PUD, Planned Unit Development; Preliminary
Plat approval for 94 lots and one outlot; Site Plan approval for two 4-
unit structures, one 6-unit structure and ten 8-unit structures on
12.34 acres; Autumn Ridge 2nd Addition.
LOCATION:
Southwest corner of Galpin Blvd. and Highway 5
APPLICANT:
Scenic Enterprises, Inc.
18133 Cedar Ave. South
Farmington, MN 55024
PRESENT ZONING:
A2, Agricultural Estate
ADJACENT WNING
AND LAND USE:
N - Highway 5
S - Autumn Ridge 1st Addition
E - Galpin Blvd.
W - Future city open space
COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN:
Approximately 43 acres of open space adjacent to this project are scheduled for
acquisition by donation. This donation is originating from the underlying owner of the
entire site. No additional acquisition of parkland is being pursued.
COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL PLAN:
The Galpin Blvd. trail is being completed in conjunction with the on-going Galpin Blvd.
upgrade. The internal trail along the wetland edge is being installed per the site plan
(subject to field verification), by the applicant. As the commission may recall, in
reviewing Autumn Ridge 1st Addition, the commission asked that trail construction be
an addition to the payment of trail fees. Ms. Betty O'Shaughnessy, the underlying
owner and proposed parkland benefactor, has requested that trail fees be waived in
consideration for trail fee construction. This request is for both the 1st and 2nd addition
trails which total approximately 2200 feet.
RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the Park & Recreation Commission forward the following
conditions of approval regarding parks and trails to the city council for Autumn
Ridge 2nd Addition:
1. Full park dedication fees be collected per city ordinance.
2. Trail fees for Autumn Ridge 2nd Addition, and retroactively for Autumn
Ridge 1st Addition, be waived in consideration of trail construction. This
trail construction to be completed per city specifications within an
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
FROM:
Todd Hoffman,
DATE:
August 17, 1995
SUBJ:
Alcohol Policy, Chanhassen Recreation Center Community Room
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Although considerable research has been undert
complete report to be prepared. Background II\
Tuesday evening.
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will be compiled for distribution on
The question being asked of the Commission is
forward.
"Do you wish to cater to events (receptions, banquets, etc.) held in the Chanhassen
Recreation Center community rooms whereat alcOhol is served"?
Note: The complexities of this issue, both legal and political, are numerous. Before we
commit additional time to this issue we would like to hear from the Commission and
Council. This issue is scheduled for Council review on August 28.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
DATE:
August 17, 1995
SUBJ:
Development of 1996 Park Acquisition and Development Capital Improvements
Program (CIP)
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The commission initiated work on the departmeQt:.s 1996 CIP on August 8, 1995. The
attached draft CIP is the outcome of your discu~si()n that evening. Please review this draft
for accuracy.
STAFF COMMENTS
Chanhassen Recreation Center
Contingency will better meet demand at $30,000.00 to $40,000.00.
Hennan Field Park
Staff does not concur with the proposed expenditure of $22, 000.00 for a playground
expansion. The current equipment easily meets the current demand for play apparatus at
Herman Field Park.
Lake Ann Park
Staff is anxiousJ9cli~cllss Jhemerits of additional par.1\. shelters.at Lakei\nn Park. The site
visit will aid in yOut<.l~cision.
A contingency of $5,000.00 is also recommended for Lake Ann Park.
Lake Susan Park
It is recommended that the commission
contribution.
the pot" to $20,000.00 for the ballfield lights
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Stone Creek Playground
It is recommended that $25,000.00 be budgeted for playground equipment at this site.
Action Required
Completion of the proposed 1996 CIP is required to ensure the department's budget time line
is met.
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999
WORKSHEETS
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Bandimere Community Park
Address: 9405 Great Plains Blvd (TH 101)
Acres: 30
Class:
Community
Improvements ~ .1a9..6. 1a9.Z 19..a8. 19..9.9.
TOTALS
Notes:
Concept Master Park Plan prepared in 1989.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name:
Bandimere Heights Park
Address:
9290 Kiowa Trail
Acres:
3
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements ~ 1.aa6. 1.9.9l .19.a8. .1a9.9.
Tire Swing 1,500
Play Area .00 8,000
Refurbishment
TOTALS: 1,500 8,000
Notes: Extensive regrading and site work was initiated in the fall of 1991. Work was
completed in 1992.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name:
Address:
Acres:
Bluff Creek Park
Hesse Farm Road
Class:
21
Open Space
Improvements lli5. ~ ~ .19..9..8. 1.a9.9.
.00
TOTALS: .00
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Notes: To be incorporated into the Bluff Creek Preservation zone.
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Park Name: Carver Beach Park
Address: 6891 Lotus Trail
Acres: 8
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements 19..a5. ~ ~ ~ ~
Park Benches 2,000
Signage 200
TOTALS: 2,200
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Carver Beach Playground
Address: 900 Carver Beach Road
Acres: 3
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements .1aa5. .1.aa2 ~ ~ .19..a9.
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
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Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Chanhassen Estates Mini Park
Address: 55 Lake Drive East
Acres: 1
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements ~ ~ 1.9.9l ~ 1aa9.
Play Equipment 3,000
ADA/Spring Animals 4500
TOTALS: 3,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Chanhassen Hills Park
Address: 8579 Chanhassen Hills Drive South
Acres: 8
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements .1aa5. ~ .1Nl 1.aaB. ~
Trees (Hwy 212 3,000
Berm)
Play Area Expansion
TOTALS: 3,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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Park Name: Chanhassen Pond Park
Address: 7500 Laredo Drive
Acres: 16
Class: Open Space
Improvements lla5. ~ 1m ~ .1.9.a9.
Trail Work 16,000
TOTALS: 16,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Chanhassen Recreation Center
Address:
Acres:
Class:
Improvements .1.aa5. 19..9.2 ~ ~ 19..a9.
Contingency 20,000
Play Equipment 50,000
TOTALS: .00 20,000 50,000 .00 .00
Notes:
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Park Name: City Center Park
Address: 710 Coulter Drive
Acres: 10
Class: Community
Improvements ll9..5. ~ .1.aaZ .19.a8. ~
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
Configuration of park is subject to change dependent on the outcome of
Central Park Master plans.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Curry Farms Park
Address: 1300 Stratton Court
Acres: 6
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements ~ 1aa6. .1a9.Z ~ 1.a9.9.
Play Area Expansion 8,000
TOTALS: 8,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Galpin Boulevard Parkland
Address:
Acres:
Class:
Improvements m.5. ~ ~ ilia ~
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
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Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
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Park Name: Greenwood Shores Park
Address: 7110 Utica Lane
Acres: 4
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements ~ 1.9.9..2 19..9..Z .1a9.6. 1m
Tree Replacement 600
Trail Addition
TOTALS: 600 .00 .00 .00 .00
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Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Herman Field Park
Address: 2591 Forest Avenue
Acres:
13
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1a9.5. .19.a2 .1.9.aZ ~ ~
Superdeck 6,000
Boardwalk
Phase II 22,000
PlayEquipment
TOTALS: 6,000 22,000 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
*These improvements are scheduled to be completed in 1993.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Lake Ann Park
Address: 1456 Arboretum Blvd (Hwy. 5)
Acres: 98
Class: Community
Improvements .19..9..5 .1.S..9.fi .19.9Z 19..9..a JJlllll
SHELTER
Cash Register 750
Canoes (3) (1) 500
Paddle Boats (4) (2) 2500
Life Jackets (20) (10) 200
Canoe Paddles (10) (10) 200
Shelter Landscaping 3,000
Boundary Buoys 1,200
Concession Stand Alarm
SUBTOTAL: 8,350
GENERAL ~ .1.S..9.fi .19.9Z 19..9..a ~
Safety Fencing 10,000
Picnic Shelter (Parkview) 50,000
Ballfield Restroom & Beyond
Concession Building 1996
SUBTOTAL: 10,000 50,000
GRAND TOTAL: 18,350 50,000
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Notes: Lake Ann Park is entering a stage of final transformation to a "full service"
community park. The installation of services, i.e. phone, electric, sewer, water
will allow the future construction of a group reservation picnic shelter at the
parkview area, the construction of a permanent shelter at the ballfields, and
other improvements.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Lake Susan Park
Address:
903 Lake Drive East
Acres:
27
Class:
Community
Improvements ~ .1.9..a6. .1IDrr .1aa8. ~
Ballfield Lights
Contribution 10,000 10,000
Trees (Oaks) 2,000
TOTALS: 12,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
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Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Meadow Green Park
Address:
921 Pontiac Lane
Acres:
18
Neighborhood
Class:
Improvements ~ ~ m.z lli.6. ~
Trees 2,000
TOTALS: .00 2,000 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Minnewashta Boulevard Parkland
Address:
Acres:
Class:
Improvements .19.a5. 1aaQ ll9l lli.a ~
Initial Development 70,000
TOTALS: .00 70,000 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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Park Name: Minnewashta Heights Park
Address: 6220 Dogwood Avenue
Acres:
Class:
2
Neighborhood
Improvements ~ 1.aa6. ~ 1aa8. tl9.a
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: North Lotus Lake Park
Address:
295 Pleasant View Road
Acres:
18
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1.9.9.5. 1aa2 19..9.Z ~ ~
Hockey Rink with 30,000
Lights
TOTALS: 30,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Pheasant Hill Park
Address:
1720 Lake Lucy Lane
Acres:
11
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements ~ ~ tl9l ~ ~
Play Area Expansion Beyond
1996
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00
.00
Notes:
Park Master Plan approved in 1991.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Power Hill Park
Address: Flamingo Drive
Acres:
18
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements .taa5. .1a9.Q llil ~ ~
Play Area 22,000
Trees
TOTALS: 22,000 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Prairie Knoll Park
Address: 1124 Dove Court
Acres:
4
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements ~ 1a9.6. ~ .1.aae. ~
Play Equipment
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes: The access trail to Prairie Knoll Park from Dove Court will be installed by the
developer to the rear of the lots which it bisects.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Rice Marsh Lake Park
Address:
8119 Erie Circle
Acres:
30 (90% wetland)
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements .1.9.9.5. ~ .llm .1aaa. lli.a
Picnic Shelter Beyond
Replacement 1996
TOTALS: .00 7,000 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: South Lotus Lake Park
Address: 7610 South Shore
Acres: 7
Class: Community
Improvements ~ ~ lllaI .1.a9.6. ~
Play Area Expansion
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
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Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Sunset Ridge Park
Address: 1364 Lake Susan Hills Drive
Acres:
Class:
10
Neighborhood
Improvements ~ ~ ~ .1.a9.B. 1aa9.
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Stone Creek Parkland
Address:
Acres:
Class:
Improvements 1a9.5. ~ 1a[l ~ ~
. TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
Notes:
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OTHER IMPROVEMENTS
Improvements 1.9.9..5. ~ ~ ~ 19.9.9.
Picnic Tables, Benches 12,000
Signage 2,000
Scout Projects 500
Contingency 10,000 10,000
Recycling Containers 10,000
Trails
TOTALS: 34,500 10,000
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TOTALS
YEAR AMOUNT
lli.2 $ 80.950.00
(Budgeted $145.000)
1993 $126.359.61
(Budgeted $176.650)
~ $ 125.880.00
1995 $ 159.150.00
1996 $ 123.000.00
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FUND 410
1995 RESERVES
General Fund Reserve
Land Acquisition. West Lake Minnewashta
City Center Park
(for the purpose of matching
School District #112 Funds invested in City
Center Park/Chanhassen Elementary School
Playground)
Highway 101 Trail
New School Site Furnishing
Stockdale Land Acquisition
Land Development. West Lake Minnewashta
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$200.000.00
$225.000.00
$ 8.000.00
$ 20.000.00
$ 30.000.00
$ 50.000.00
$ 25.000.00
$558.000.00
FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Totals ~ 1996 1997 ~ 1999
TOTALS 188,500
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o welcome to take part
Currently, theCCR&R
ers who are prepared to
ing in Spanish and En-
Agency CCR&R has
eral grant monies for
ships through the De-
Human Services. For
: sessions, these funds
.0 make the fee reason-
participant. In the case
ses, some direct schol-
e available.
'orking with infants and!
hould benefit from the
;lasses will count toward
nily child care provider
:enter staffperson's gen-
:e hours required by li-
;lasses should also count
requirement for a CDA
t1toddler specialization.
t Toddler Training IDten-
roject is a Bush Founda-
that is being implement-
nnesota Child Care Re-
~e~e Network in col-
li Department of
ices. 1 information on
le project, contact Beth
lroject director, at 644-
.1900, extension 126, for
lation.
~yball Kit Rental
ill kits are available for
~kendrental.K}tsinclude
ball, boundary ropes for
ndary stakes and pole
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parkCIP
The Chanhassen Park and Recre-
ation Commission will be discussing
its 1996 Park Acquisition and Devel-
opment Capital Improvement Pr$>-
gram (CIP) on Tuesday, Aug. 22. The
commission's meetings are held in the
- Chanhassen City Council Chamber,
. located at City Hall, 690 Coulter Dr., '
at 7 p.m. ' , "
The annual park CIP is adopted
by the City Council each fall. The-
1996 document will represent all park,
trail and open space acquisitions, im-
provements and development sched-
uled for calendar year 1996 (with the
, exception of special projects).
Residents wishing to inform the
commission of unmet needs in these
areas are welcome to testify before the
commission. .
For information regarding the
parks and trails in Chanhassen, con-
tact Todd Hoffman, Chanhassen Park
and Recreation Department director,
at 937-1900. '
Thursday, August 17-, 1995 - C;:hahhassen Vlllager- Page 9
C flY:' O~.:.',:I~'i:~!~~~~ ':,-". ,,'
CHAHHASS'EH\ .
NEWS and'lNFORMATION '
Inserted at regular advertising rates
by the City of Chanhassen
,,~Conceptual (Uld preliminary PUD rezoning
, the property from A2, Agricultural Estate to
: PUD. Planned Unit Development;
. ,Preliminary Plat approval for 94 lots and
':' 'One outlot; Site plan approval for 2 four-
, unit structures; 1 six-unit structure and 10
, eight-unit structures on 12.34 acres; Located
at the southwest comer of Galpin Boulevard
and Highway 5. Scenic Enterprises. Inc.;
Autumn RidgeJnd Addition. ',' ,
3. Alcohol Policy. Chanhassen Recreation
Center Commiinlty Room.
UNFINISHED BllSINESS
4. Development of 1996 Park Acquisition
and Development Capital Improvement
Program (CIP).
5. Program Reports:'
a. Septemberfest '
. b. Summer Discovery Playground
c. Lake Ann Park, Parking Permits
6. Administrative Presentations:
. a. Chanhassen Recreation Center
b. Director's Report
c. Commission Vacancy
ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET
ADJOllRNMENT
AGENDA
Park & Recreation Commission
Tuesday, August 22.1995
5:30 p.m. - Site Toun
7:00 p.m. - Regular Meeting
Chanhassen City HaU
690 Coulter Drive
5:30 p.m. SITE TOURS. Please arrive at
City Hall before 5:30 p.m.:
- Power Hill Park
- Stone Creek Park
_ New "Minnewashta ParL:way" Parkland '
. Chanhassen Recreation Center /
1:00 p.m. REGULAR MEETING
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS ,~ ,.>
Commission procedures allow for
presentations from the audience at this time,
If a motion is required, the item will hi:
forwarded to the next available agenda to
allow for publication and' review of items
prior to consideration.
Scott Molencamp, Chanhassen Athletic
Association, 1996 Ballfield usage.
I. Approval of July 21. 1995 Minutes.
NEW BUSINESS
2. Proposed Subdivision Review:
stakes. To reserve a kit, call Erik at
937.1900, extension 142.
Picnic Sites
Reservations for a picnic site at
Lake Susan and Lake Ann Park may
be made by calling Jerry Ruegemer
at 937-1900, extension 126.
fl'
Perennial,
Fall-Blooming
MUMS
$~t!~M.'
~ More ,/
IRIS ROOTS JUST Irm
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C ITV OF
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
DATE:
August 16, 1995
SUBJ:
1995 Septemberfest
Chanhassen's annual Septemberfest celebration ~!p be Saturday, September 23 from 3:00 to
9:30 p.m. at City Center Park. The format of ~.I~~fmberfest was changed back to later
afternoon and evening. Although attendance ,?~s9~od at last year's Septemberfest, I feel
attendance will increase with the addition of t1J;e eV~l1ing street dance.
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Thunder Road, who is the "house band" at Gatlin's inthe Mall of America has been
contracted to perform at Septemberfest. With their ex<.;ellent style of country music and their
following, our street dance should be welfattended.
This year's schedule of events has beel1set as follows:
3:00 - 8:00 p.m.
Petting Zoo and
3:00 - 8:00 p.m.
Farmer's Market and
Chanhassen Senior
& Craft Sale,
3:00 - 8:
Rodeo Roper - Try to lasso the mechanic
Games - Chanhassen
3:00 - 9:30 p.m.
Bingo Tent
3:00 - 9:30 p.m.
Food Co
sions and Beer Sales
4:00 - 6:00 p.m.
Hay Rides
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Todd Hoffman
August 16, 1995
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4:30 - 5:30 p.m.
The Splatter Sisters - musical entertainment and fun for
children of all ages
5:30 - 6:30 p.m.
Needle in the Haystack Games
5:30 - 9:30 p.m.
Street Dance - Fabulous country music provided by
Thunder Road. Thunder Road is the "house band" at
Gatlin's in the Mall of America.
Biggest Pumpkin Contest - Pumpkins must be checked in by 3:00 p.m. Prize
awarded at 5:30 p.m. for the biggest pumpkin (by weight).
Septemberfest will be advertised and promoted in a number of different ways. An insert will
be placed in the September 7 edition of the Chanhassen Villager and Chaska Herald. The
insert will be two weeks before the event and will cover 8600 homes and businesses. Display
ads advertising the schedule of events will be in the September 14 and September 21 edition
of the Chanhassen Villager and September 13 edition of the Sun Sailor. A half page ad will
be placed in the September edition of the V ietona Gazette. In addition to the newspaper
advertising, flyers will also be displayed around town and distributed through our local .
schools.
Septemberfest is rapidly approaching and planning will continue to ensure its success.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
FROM:
Jeny Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
DATE:
August 16, 1995
SUBJ:
1996 Lake Ann Entrance Fees
The Lake Ann gate attendant has been a hot topi~ with the Park and Recreation Commission
and the City Council this past year. The time tgi~tcide whether or not to continue the Lake
Ann entrance fee and the gate attendant progra1l1 i~upon us again.
.
The major concern for discontinuing the program ist):le loss of the $15,000 - 25,000 in gross
revenues. Our department is currently working on tli~> 1996 budget. Direction will need to
be given whether the Lake Ann gate revenues be included in the 1996 General Fund. Lake
Ann gate revenues as of August 15 is $14-,909.81. The projection of gross revenue for the
remaining summer will be approximately $17,000 whichjs down $3,000 from 1994.
The Park and Recreation Commissiorilikes the security of the gate attendants visible at Lake
Ann and Lotus Lake. Staffing of the gates totals $6,000 per year. An alternative the Park
and Recreation Commission sllggested last year was a roving type of "park ranger." This
person would be visible.. .~!I..-ake Ann to assist our guests and enforce park rules. This class
of employee woulqi~t~!~e~8:~10 p:~...~?~rr~~~e.~~~jtct:d salaries for a park ranger
would be approximately $8,500. This is based on 8 hours per day for 15 weeks, between
Memorial and La. ay.Theparkfungel'WbUldbeincluded.inpllI:141 nn
Operations budget.
Lake Ann gate fees have been the subjectbf1l1anydis(:l.!ssiQrts b)/'tlie Park and Recreation
Commission and City Council. The pros andconsinust again be weighed whether the gate
attendant program and fees continue.
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Lake Ann Gate Income 1995
Date
5/30/95
6/5/95
6/12/95
6/13/95
6/15/95
6/16/95
6/19/95
6/20/95
6/21/95
6/23/95
6/26/95
6/27/95
6/30/95
7/3/95
7/5/95
7/10/95
7/11/95
7/13/95
7/14/95
7/17/95
7/18/95
7/19/95
7/20/95
7/21/95
7/24/95
7/25/95
7/26/95
7/27/95
7/31/95
8/1/95
8/2/95
8/3/95
8/7/95
8/8/95
8/9/95
8/10/95
8/11/95
8/14/95
8/15l9~
Amount
$519.00
$1,341.00
$328.00
$494.25
$1,547.96
$657.00
$2,341.40
$530.10
$561.10
$264.00
$834.00
$144.00
$96.05
$322.00
$654.00
$711.00
$195.00
$132.00
$411.05
$30.00
$68.00
$158.00
$6.00
$133.00
$375.00
$122.00
$102.00
$128.00
$885.90
$19.00
$50.00
$68.00
$283.00
$8.00
$16.00
$86.00
$55.00
$214.00
S20.00
$14,909.81
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
FROM:
Don Ashworth, City Manager--t II
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director .If./
TO:
DATE:
January 4, 1995
SUBJ:
Review Lake Ann Park Parking Fees
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Section 14-59. Parking Permits of Chapter 14, s and Recreation, of the Chanhassen City
Code requires that Lake Ann Park parking fee tablished by resolution each year. This
annual review process has resulted in some spjpted . cussions at the Park and Recreation
Commission debating the pros and cons of tl;1~>fee p n;.fram. In the interest of brevity, the
major points of discussion on an annual ba' in eachcategory are:
Creates jobs
PRO
CON
Revenue source
already paid taxes for these
e free, why do we have to
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In addition, by policy, the parkin~ffeesarenqt uni~s~~~g~Ng~acrOss the board, Le.
participants/spectators of youth sporting activ!~es:lfe allowed to enter the park free of charge,
whereas participants in adult sporting activities ar~ charged.
.
An annual report of gate activity and parking permit revenues is prepared each fall. This
report was presented to the Park and Recreation Commission this past November. At their
December 15 meeting, the commission took up the issue of establishing a recommendation
for the 1995 fee schedule (see attached report from Jerry Ruegemer dated December 7, 1994).
For your information, I have also attached the 1993, 1992 and 1991 reports. Upon conclusion
Don Ashworth
January 4, 1995
Page 2
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of their discussion on the 15th, Chairperson Andrew moved and Commissioner Manders
seconded to strike the entrance fees in their entirety and retain the gate attendant
program modifying it into a park patrol. The motion passed unanimously.
At fust glance, this action may seem severe, however, the debate over being "hit up" to enter
Lake Ann Park has been raging from some time. The commission does not take their
recommendation lightly and recognizes the loss in revenue this change in policy would bring.
Likewise, they recognize that the retention of a gate attendant/park patrol program will
consume similar resources while cutting all revenues. However, they believe the presence of
a "gate keeper" at Lake Ann Park greatly reduces the likelihood of vandalism at the park.
The commission's bottom line is they believe the public deserves the opportunity to utilize
the services offered at Lake Ann Community Park without being charged an entrance fee.
Entrance fees are common in county, state and national park systems but are used less
frequently on the local level. The financial impacts of endorsing the commission's
recommendations are:
1.
2.
3.
The loss of approximately $20,000 to $25,000 in revenue.
A savings of approximately $1,500 in printing costs (entrance passes).
The retention of approximately $7,200 in personnel costs.
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In other words, under current policy, the program operates approximately $16,000 to the
good, whereas, under the new recommendation the gate program would operate $7,000 to
$10,000 in the red. The benefit would come in an unmeasurable amount of good public
relations.
For your information, a copy of the Lake Ann Park Operations Budget totaling $63,250 for
1995 is attached. This function includes the gate attendant program, concession and
equipment rental employees, shelter cleaning and the provision of lifeguards and swimming
lessons. General maintenance of the park is not included in this function. Revenues from
food and beverage concessions, equipment rental, swimming lessons, and the entrance fees
offset a percentage of the expenditures required to provide these services. All revenue,
however, is deposited in the city's general fund.
RECOMMENDATION
The Park and Recreation Commission recommends the City Council strike the entrance fees
in their entirety and retain the gate attendant program modifying it into a park patrol.
Manager's Comments (1-4-95): The adopted 1995 budget includes gate receipts. Should
the council wish to change, something would have to be cut This item should really have
been included in the 1995 budget request process and considered with other budget items.
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
DATE:
Todd Hoffman, Parks and Recreation Director (j
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor 1~)
December 7, 1994 \ ~
TO:
FROM:
SUBJ:
Establish 1995 Gate Attendant Program and Lake Ann Entrance Fees
.
The gate attendant program was discussed briefly at the November 15 Park and Recreation
Commission meeting when the annual gate attendant report was presented. The Park and
Recreation Commission debates the effectiveness of the gate attendant program annually, and
it is again time to review the program.
Similar comments from previous years will be discussed this year and the Park and
Recreation Commission will weigh the pros and cons. I will include the gate attendant report
from our last meeting for you and the Park and Recreation Commission.
If the Park and Recreation Commission is going to adopt 1995 Lake Ann entrance fees, staff
recommends the following fees be approved.
Daily Park Pass
Seasonal Pass for Residents
Seasonal Pass for Non-Residents
$2.00
$5.00
$10.00
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November 10, 1994
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Illustrated below is the watercraft totals, gate attendant hours/wages, and revenues collected at
Lake Ann Park from parking fees.
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1994 Watercraft Totals
Speed boats 677
Fishing boats 639
Personal watercraft 57
Canoes 7
Pontoon 5
Kayak 1
Sailboat 1
Total 1,387
1993 Total 1,361
Revenue Collected from Lake Ann Parking Fees
Daily Passes 5098 x $2 = $10,196
Seasonal (Resident) 1061 x $5 = 5,305 .
Seasonal (Non-resident) 372 x $10 3.720
Subtotal 6531 passes = $19,221
Softball Registration 68 teams x $75 5,100
1994 Grand Totals $24,321
Printing expense-Lake Ann passes $1,284.35
1993 Passes $14,947
1993 Softball Reg. 67 teams x $75 5,025
1993 Grand Totals $19,972
1994 Gate Attendant Total Hours and Wages
Lucy Atkins 195.75 hrs x 5.25 = $1,027.69
Pat Brown 249.00 hrs x 5.25= 1,307.26
Angela Dorfner 247.50 hrs x 5.25= 1,299.38
Mark Ozeck 255.75 hrs x 5.50= 1,406.63
Stacey Pauling 299.75 hrs x 5.50= 1,648.88 .
Stefania Stokke 81.50 hrs x 5.25= 427.88
1329.25 hrs worked $7,117.49
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
DATE:
September 22, 1993
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FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
SUBJ:
1993 Gate Attendant Program Report
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Through the years, the annual gate attendant report has enabled our department to use the data
collected to show revenues, total hours, wages and . South Lotus Lake access activity.
With the new additions to Lake Ann Park (picnic Pavilion/Recreation Shelter), activity has
increased during the 1993 summer season. Picnic activity has risen, which is reflected in the
parking fees. If we see a warm summer again revenues will increase over the last two years.
In continuing Eurasian Water Milfoil education, a new program was installed at the South Lotus
Lake boat access. The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources sponsored an Exotic Species
Monitoring Program. The program was established to educate the public of species relative to
our area, such as Eurasian Water Milfoil and Zebra Mussel. The gate attendants at the boat
access were responsible for. inspecting all portions of the watercraft going in and out the access.
The information collefted during the inspection was recorded and mailed to the DNR for
compiling. The program has proved to be a plus for Chanhassen, and I will work to organize
it again next summer.
Illustrated on the attached sheet is the watercraft totals, gate attendant hours/wages, and revenues
collected from Lake Ann parking passes.
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1993 Water Craft Totals:
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Speed Boats
Fishing Boats
Personal Watercraft
Canoes
Pontoons
Sailboats
Kayak
Windsurf Board
741
539
34
30
9
5
2
1
TOT AL 1,361
* (1992 Watercraft Total = 1,607)
Revenue Collected From Lake Ann Parking Fees:
Daily Passes
Seasonal (Resident)
Seasonal (Non-Resident)
4321 X $ 2.00 =
891 X $ 5.00 =
185 X $10.00 =
$8,642.00
$4,455.00
$1,850.00
Subtotal
5,397 Passes = 14,947.00
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67 Softball Teams - Registration Fees:
67 X $75.00 = $5,025.00
TOTALS FOR 1993
$19,972.00
3803 Passes = $12,029.00
73 Softball Teams - Registration Fees:
73 X $75.00 = 5,475.00
TOTAL FOR 1992
17,504.00
1993 Gate Attendant Total Hours and Wages:
Jim Farm
Jon Farm
Sam Kjome
Rachael Leonard
Karl Pearson
David Ringdahl
Chris Ripley
327.5 Hrs. X 5.50 =
314 Hrs. X 5.50 =
36 Hrs. X 5.00 =
208.75 Hrs. X 5:00 =
140.5 Hrs. X 5.00 =
277 Hrs. X 5.00 =
198.5 Hrs. X 5.00 =
$1,801.25
1,727.00
180.00
1,043.75
702.50
1,385.00
992.50
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TOT AL:
1502.25 Hrs. Worked
$7832.00
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM A
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator /99 /I/.
FROM: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor /} DI / s, 31, (#PIJE.-
DATE: September 21, 1992 / 1'\ GL/Jj';
SUBJ: 1992 Gate Attendant Program Report
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It is hard to believe our summer has breezed by us. The annual gate attendant report has helped
our department track information from the sale of Lake Ann parking stickers, revenue from
sticker sales, gate attendant total hours and wages, and South Lotus Lake Access activity.
The summer of 1992 was full of surprises. The cool and rainy weather pattern limited the
operating hours of the Lake Ann and South Lotus Lake gate houses. Although the gate houses
were not open as often as 1991, the revenue collected was slightly greater. The increase can
partially be credited to the addition of 3 new softball teams and additional picnics which
generated revenue toward the grand total. Whenever therewas a nice weekend, both gate houses
were very active.
The South Lotus Lake B?at Access experienced an increase lllwatercraft usage over the previous
year. Even though this summer was cool and rainy, the boat access saw plenty of activity. The
number of boats using the access was tecordedon a . shift report while the gate attendants were
on duty. The sh~t report allows the . attendant on duty to mark(jo\\'Il\Vhattype.9f watercraft is
using the access, thetiIlle they are entering, number of occupants, and vehicle license number
in case there is a problem. With the increase of watercraft on South Lotus, looking into revising
the boating rules and regulations would benefit and .would mitigate any future problems.
Eurasian Water Milfoil is still a very important problem in our area lakes. During the summer
of 1992, Lake Restoration, Inc. treated milfoil twice in South Lotus Lake. The milfoil
information will continue to be distributed to educate the public who are using the boat access.
. For your information, this next page will illustrate watercraft totals, revenues collected from
parking passes and gate attendant hours and wages.
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tJ PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
Septmeber 18, 1991
Page 2
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1992 Watercraft Totals:
Speed Boats
Fishing Boats
Jet Skis
Canoes
Sheriff Boats
Sail Boats
Pontoons
Duck Boats
834
671
51
27
10
8
4
2
TOT AL:
1607
*(1991 Watercraft Total: 1580)
The revenue from the Lake Ann gate house was generated by activities scheduled in the park,
such as; softball games and tournaments, soccer games, picnics, and beach activities. The 1992 .
and 1991 totals are listed for your review.
Daily Passes
Seasonal (resident)
Seasonal (non-resident)
2,712 x $ 2.00 = $ 5,424.00
861 x $ 5.00 = $ 4,305.00
230 x $10.00 = $ 2,300.00
SUBTOTAL:
. 3,803 passes = $ 12,029.00
73 Softball Teams-Registration Fees
Lake Ann Picnic Parking
73 x $75.00 = $ 5,475.00
802.00
TOT AL FOR 1992:
$ 18,306.00
1991 Totals:
4,407 passes = $ 12,856.00
70 Softball Teams-Registration Fees 70 x $75.00 = $ 5,250.00
TOTAL FOR 1991: $ 18,106.00
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
Septmeber 18, 1991
Page 3
Illustrated below is each gate attendants total hours worked and earned wages for the summer
of 1992.
Brandon Anderson
Jim Farm
John Farm
Lori Haak
Mary Nelson
Jon Stutelberg
262.5 hrs. x $ 5.00=
294.5 hrs. x $ 5.00=
283.5 hrs. x $ 5.00=
278.7 hrs. x $ 5.75=
223.4 hrs. x $ 5.50=
244.25 hrs. x $ 5.50
$ 1,312.50
$ 1,472.50
$ 1,417.50
$ 1,603.46
$ 1,228.72
$ 1,343.38
TOT AL:
1,586.85 hours worked
$ 8,378.06
The Gate Attendant Report helps our department year after year in collecting the pertinent
information regarding the Lake Ann and South Lotus Lake Boat Access gate houses. The
information gathered is used to assist the development of our budget.
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
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FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Supervisor I
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1991 Gate Attendant Program Report
MEMORANDUM
TO:
DATE:
September 18, 1991
SUBJ:
With the end of the busy summer season, it is time to reflect on
the events which took place. The annual gate attendant report is
used to gather information about South Lotus Lake boat access, gate
attendants total hours and wages: and information about annual .
sales in terms of the number of daily and seasonal passes sold, and
the total revenue from these sales.
The summer of 1991 saw an 11.2% increase in watercraft population
from the year before. with the increased activity it is very
important to continue to look for new ways to educate the gate
attendants and the public about Eurasian water Milfoil. During the
gate attendant meeting in May, specific milfoil information was
distributed to the gate attendants to become familiar with what the
mil foil plant looks like and what to do if milfoil is discovered.
A new addition to the gate attendant meeting was having the
president of the Lotus Lake Homeowners Association, Steve Decatur,
-------speak to the gate attendants about specific information regarding
Lotus Lake and the milfoil problem associated with the lake.
Steve's information was very helpful in terms of relating the gate
attendants responsibilities and duties into the overall goal of
Chanhassen which is to educate and inform the public about Eurasian
Water Milfoil. Next year the gate attendants will continue to pass
out literature about milfoil and the Lotus Lake boat rules and
regulations. Addi ti,onal information will be sought to increase the
knowledge and understanding of the gate attendants regarding
Eurasian Water Milfoil.
Part of the duties and responsibilities of the gate attendants is
to track people using the South Lotus boat access and to record
types of watercraft. The information from the summer of 1991 are
listed on the following page.
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Speed boats
Fishing boats
Jet skis
Canoes
Sail boats
Pontoons
TOTAL
(1990 watercraft
11.2% Increase
835
. 655
51
21
7
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1580
total 1405)
The revenue and the total number of passes sold at the Lake Ann
Gate House increased slightly over the 1990 amount. The revenue
from the passes are directly associated with the activities at Lake
Ann Park in terms of picnics, spectators from league softball and
soccer games, softball tournaments and beach activities. With the
addition of the new Lake Ann picnic shelter and an increase in
other adult and youth activities, the revenue totals will increase
next year. The breakdown of the number of passes sold and revenue
totals are listed below:
Daily Passes
Seasonal (resident)
Seasonal (non-resident)
TOTAL
3418
774
215
4407
x $2.00 =
x 5.00 =
x 10.00 =
passes
70 Softball teams x $75.00 per team.
GRAND TOTAL FOR 1991
1990 Totals 4092 passes =
65 Softball teams x $75.00 per team
GRAND TOTAL FOR 1990
$6,836.00
3;870.00
2,150.00
= $12,856.00
5,250.00
$18,106.00
$12,466.00
$ 4,875.00
$17,341.00
The gate attendants total hours and wages for Lake Ann and the
South Lotus Boat Access:
Sam Auseth
Roger Erny
Bart Genovese
Lori Haak
Charlie Hansen
Karl Kotsonas
Kelly Mu1arie
Heather Schindler
Charity Wolf.
TOTAL
60.5
286
22
254
176.5
148.5
213
231.25
44
1435.75
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
hrs. x
BOORS
1990 Totals
1331 Hours
$5.00
4.50 =
4.50
5.00 -
4.50 =
4.50 =
4.50 =
4.50 =
4.50 =
= $ 302.50
1,287.00
99.00
1,270.00
794.25
. 668.25
958.50
1040.63
198.00
$6,618.13
$6,116.87
This report is developed to show the usage at Lake Ann Park and the
South Lotus Lake Boat Access. In creating such a report, the
information collected will further assist' in the development of
next summer's gate attendant, Eurasian Water Mi1foi1, and Lake Ann
programs and activities. .
Park and Rec Commission Meeting - December 13, 1994
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Ruegemer: We had talked about that when those were approved for the businesses. I think
triple we're pricing ourselves right out of the market. That would be an option for the
businesses for the...60. That's high for that anyways so.
Hoffman: At $345.00 they wouldn't be waiting in line. Do the schools come in and ask for a
25% discount right away?
Ruegemer: The schools weren't, no.
Hoffman: So you don't count them as a non-profit?
Ruegemer: No. Non-profit is like the...
Andrews: They're not filed as non profit.
Ruegemer: Schools? No.
Andrews: No.
Hoffman: Boy I consider them non-profit.
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Andrews: I'll move to approve the reservation fee schedule as outlined by Jerry.
Huffman: Second.
Andrews moved, Huffman seconded that the PalK and Recl~ation Commission approve the
establishment of the 1995 Group Picnic Reselvation Fees as pl~sented by staff. All voted in
favor and the motion callied unanimously.
C. ESTABLISH 1995 GATE ATTENDANT PROGRAM AND LAKE ANN ENTRANCE
FEES.
Ruegemer: We briefly discussed on this issue at our November 15th meeting and I know
everybody has an opinion...program again. I know there's a lot of, everybody has been
weighing the pros and cons since our November 15th meeting so this should be a topic of
discussion that we can breeze through tonight. We've had a lot of discussions last year just
about security of the building if we do disband that program and... Those type of issues we
can discuss tonight if you choose to do so. The gate attendant program report was included
from the last meeting just for your information to review if you have any questions on that.
And then also if, after the discussions on the Lake Ann and South Lotus Lake gate programs.
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If the Park and Rec Commission so chooses to adopt a 1995 Lake Ann entrance fee, it is
staff's recommendation to keep the following prices. The daily park pass of $2.00. Seasonal
pass for residents at $5.00 and seasonal pass for non-residents at $10.00.
Andrews: Well I've come full circle on this I think finally after years. I was one that wanted
to charge these fees and I would like to see the city provide every Chanhassen residence with
a season pass for Lake Ann. I don't think, I no longer think we should be charging our own
citizens fees for the park. That's an opinion but it's too good of a park to be denying anybody
that's a Chanhassen resident a chance to go to.
Meger: I would agree. I guess I would feel a lot more comfortable waiving the fees if we
knew that we had a referendum that passed that was going to give us some additional...
Manders: I guess I agree with that and to carry the question or the comment one step further.
That gray line of enforcing who's not a resident. I mean if you come in with somebody that
you know or you're, it's that whole maze of, and I know it's the same thing as it is today.
Trying to define who's a resident and who isn't.
. Andrews: I guess my concept is that in one of the regular mailings that would go out to all
households in the city, that they would get a pass. A sticker for a car and then it would be a
simple process. When you come to the gate, if you don't have a sticker, you either can buy a
daily or a season.
Lash: Well why bother having one?
Andrews: For non-residents.
Lash: I think that, I don't know. Do we ever have a breakdown of the money that comes in
resident.
Huffman: Right here. Revenues collected at Lake Ann.
Lash: I mean it's not even worth it to have somebody stand around...for the number of non-
residents that...
Manders: That's kind of what I was getting at.
Lash: I mean we pay more passes than we would collect.
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Hoffman: $372.00.
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Huffman: The only place it does make sense to me is at the Lotus Lake where you have a
problem with boats. People actually needing some direction and guidance. I know where the
ballfields are. If I'm going to the beach, I walk past people who can help me. I'm going to
defer to smarter heads here but somebody sitting at that gate, I know how to drive to the
parking area. If I need help I get help from people who are in areas, I need help.
Lash: I think the past the discussion has been not so much money that we make or, it had
more to do with, Larry was a strong supporter and I know he's gone but it has to do with that
there's someone there that people feel is making them a little more accountable for their
actions and their behavior within the park. That there are rules and that there's someone there
who can, whether they help enforce the rules or not. It's just the mindset that there's someone
at the gate. That the money thing is, what do we end up clearing on the whole deal?
$11,000.00 is fairly insignificant in the overall city budget. I feel for Lotus Lake, I think
because that's so close to neighborhoods and with boats going in and out all day and milfoil
and all that, I guess the weekend, I think we adjusted the hours this year didn't we? Just
evenings and then all day on the weekends. That seemed to make sense to me. I guess I'm
going to be open for once on the attendant at Lake Ann. If we want to just can the whole
idea for a year and try to see what happens, let's just do that and see what happens. If we
don't want to, if we feel that the gate attendant sends a message to people who are coming in,
then we have to, we either need to just pay someone to be a gate attendant and forget the fee,
or hire someone as more of a park service type person.
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Hoffman: Park police.
Lash: Yeah, park ranger. Someone who kind of distributes rules and tries to enforce rules.
That kind of a thing maybe we can do.
Manders: I guess one comment I'd like to make is kind of pulling a reverse here but.
Andrews: Somebody's got to do it.
Manders: I'll volunteer to do that. Just recently I just read in the paper about Minneapolis'
plight and what their plan is to charge attendance at six of their parks. Now I don't know
what that means here necessarily but it's just an observation.
Lash: One of the down things that I picked up over the last year or so since the shelter's
been open is the irritation by people coming in who are paying to reserve the shelter and then
getting milked for another $2.00 to get in and that's an irritation and I was thinking if that's
the biggest problem, one solution would be automatically if there's a reservation for the Smith
family, you pull up to the gate. You don't have a pass. You say I'm with the Smith family.
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The guy at the gate has got the list of who's got the reservation. You get in without having
to buy a permit. I don't know that that's the only problem we have. There's a public
perception problem there and I think in a year also where we're going to be asking for a
referendum, it's hard to say to people that you're going to be paying taxes for all these
improvements and all these parks but you're also going to have to pay to get into it.
Andrews: Personally I'd like to see the attendant stay and I would see us quit the fees. One
advantage would be, that the attendants don't have to man the gates, is they can walk the
park. At Lake Ann in particular that could be valuable. Give somebody a.
Manders: Just be a more visible member.
Andrews: A walkie talkie or a cell phone and say, your job is to watch over this piece of
property. You know walk up to the ballfields. Walk over to the park pavilions. Make sure
people are where they're supposed to be and.
Lash: And that can be the method to motivate gate attendants.
. Andrews: Yeah, it's better use of their time.
Lash: ...much more motivation and if we have...brochure up of the different facilities at Lake
Ann and if the person's carrying around a little bundle of those, he can come up and say,
where are the... But then what we're faced with then is where are we going to be coming up
with the $7,000.00 to the park attendants.
Huffman: The golf course.
Andrews: We'd have to make a budget amendment in order to come up with that to plan
money because that wasn't part of our original budget proposal.
Hoffman: No, you would not. It's under Lake Ann. Lake Ann Park.
Lash: I still have a concern with Lotus.
Andrews: I want an attendant there too.
Lash: Right. I want an attendant at Lotus. There's no parking fee over there is there?
Hoffman: No there is not.
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Lash: I think we need to finance an attendant there.
Andrews: We need control and I think the weekends, what we did there was fine. That
solved the problem. To waste the money during the day.
Hoffman: The employees are all budgeted in the Lake Ann operations and the revenue is not
shown to offset that. So the money is available to hire the employees, at least at a gate
attendant status. If we're, you know we're not going to have a full force park ranger but we're
going to have a person there of a different caliber than a gate attendant and who would most
likely work with our public safety department to go ahead and staff these locations more than.
Andrews: Right. I don't think you can have a 16 year old.
Hoffman: Right, or the roving park patrol. There would be a minor loss in revenues which
is very easy to recoup as far as the city's revenue.
Lash: Considering this is a yearly revenue and we've been slowly over the years progressing
to this spot, maybe we need to just go with it one year and face our fears.
Andrews: Once you do it, it's permanent.
.
Hoffman: Once you do it, yeah. You're not going to flip flop this thing around.
Huffman: An idea, help me walk through this. Scouts, Explorers. There are law
enforcement posts. There are medical posts. There are other posts. Part of their activities,
training, what they prepare to do, it's young boys and girls in career type settings and
situations. Can we find out if there are any out in this area? Can we tie into those kind of, I
mean they are trained in medical, you know minor medical emergencies. They are trained in
helping people. I mean that is their orientation and I don't know, you know you don't want a
quasi military running around. We have to identify that we have to find them.
Roeser: Which group?
Huffman: Explorers. Through scouting. But it's a boys and girls senior high school, post
high school career oriented organization and they form in clusters of whatever the current
broadcasting accounting whatever. Maybe we could identify, tie in and that's what they do in
their summer and they come prepared in health and I don't know. We'd have to walk through
that a lot deeper but that's a way of maybe finding some people who have a little more
training than maybe what you would have...A thought.
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Lash: My fear with public safety is that we're going to have to be paying through the nose to
have a public safety officer...
Andrews: $10.00-$12.00 an hour.
Hoffman: Yeah, I don't know that we'd necessarily go with a full fledged community service
officer.
Ruegemer: A good area might be to look for students in training that are going to law
enforcement school. This might be an opportunity for them to gain some of that valuable
expenence.
Andrews: Maybe they'll hire them for less than what we're paying the gate attendant.
Huffman: Yeah, I don't want to put, like I say, a quasi military person out there either
walking around in a little uniform and stuff. Well I'm saying, an 18 year old in a uniform is
going to give me all the confident of what? I'd feel more comfortable.
. Andrews: All he needs is a walkie talkie to the city here. That's all he's got to have. We
need to make a motion on this.
Hoffman: You bet. This will go right up to Council.
Andrews: Well I'm going to do this because this is a complete reversal for me. I can't
believe it but I move that we strike the Lake Ann fees entirely and that we do retain gate
attendants, or park attendants I'll call them, at Lake Ann and Lotus Lake as, either following
the same hours that we did last year.
Lash: No. South Lotus we adjusted.
Andrews: For the amended hours at South Lotus.
Ruegemer: I can put those.
Huffman: For out of city fees?
Andrews: I just waived the whole thing. It isn't worth monkeying with it. It was $350.00
and it isn't worth.
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Lash: Actually that should say $3,000.00.
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Andrews: $3,000.00? Still.
Lash: It's not worth trying to print up passes. If you want to have a daily fee or something
but still I think, unless you're going to have someone sitting there all the time, there's no point
in having it.
Manders: I second that motion.
Andrews: Okay. Any more discussion?
Andrews moved, Mandel'S seconded that the Pmk and Recreation Commission recommend to
waive entnmce fees at Lake Ann Pmk and to retain paIk attendants at both Lake Ann PaIk
and South Lotus Lake Pmk. All voted in favol' and the motion cmlied unanimously.
Lash: Did you ever think we'd live to see the day Todd?
Hoffman: I haven't seen the day yet.
Andrews: You're looking at the guy who was the most motivated collect the fee. Nail them.
Make them pay to use.
.
Huffman: No kidding. And you made this amendment?
Andrews: Yes I did.
Huffman: Wow!
Roeser: How long ago was that?
Andrews: The last 4 or 5 years.
Hoffman: We're going to have to draw straws for that first meeting, first Council meeting in
January.
Lash: Do you think there will be that much?
Hoffman: Sure.
Huffman: Why?
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. City Council Meeting - January 9, 1995
33. The applicant shall investigate modification of the landscaping plans to further intensify planting along
the northern Timberwood property line to enhance the screening effect from existing Timberwood
development, particularly those dwellings at 8001 Acorn Avenue and 2050 Oakwood Ridge.
34. Applicant shall adjust the alignment of the roadway at the southern end of the parcel to adjust the
roadway alignment at the southern end of the parcel within the right-of-way to minimize the impact to the
existing wetland in that area.
35. Staff will present to Council the different options and costs available for sewer extension to Timberwood
at the time of final plat.
All voted in favor and the motion canied unanimously.
Councilman Senn moved, Councilman Berquist s~conded to approve Conditional Use Pennit #94-4 to pennit the
placement of fill and excavations and alterations within the flood plain subject to the following condition:
1. The applicant shall comply with the wetland fill/excavation and wetland mitigation conditions as stated in
Corps of Engineers Section 404 permit. Mitigation work shall be implemented prior to or concurrent with
wetland fill activity in future phases of the project. All mitigation work shall be limited to the Bluff
Creek corridor and not in the wetland located at the sduthwest corner of the site.
. All voted in favor and the motion canied unanimousl)'.
Councilman Senn moved, Councilman Berquist seconded approval of Wetland Alteration Pennit #94-4 to permit
filling and replacing wetlands on the site subject to the following conditions:
1. All buffer areas shall be surveyed and staked by the applicant in accordance with the City's wetland
ordinance. The City will install wetland buffer edge signs before construction begins and will charge the
applicant $20.00 per sign.
2. Wetland buffer areas are required around the wetlands in accordance with the City Wetland Ordinance.
The applicant shall revise the development plans to include a 50 foot buffer around Bluff Creek with a
100 foot building setback and a 10 to 30 foot buffer with a minimum average of 20 feet around the
tributary to Bluff Creek with a 50 foot building setback.
All voted in favor and the motion canied unanimously.
REVIEW OF LAKE ANN PARKING FEES.
Todd Hoffman: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. Thank you. Section 14-59, Parking Permits of your city
code requires that Lake Ann Park fees be established by resolution each year. So following each summer
season an annual report of gate attendant activities, gate receipt activity is prepared. That's presented to the Park
and Recreation Commission in the fall and is then reviewed by the commission in order to make a determination
or to at least initiate the discussion for the subsequent establishment of...fees. Those items took place at the
November and December meetings by the Park and Recreation Commission during 1994. As you may be
aware, the debate over the Lake Ann gate program is spirited and lively on an annual basis simply because the
. number of public comments which are received both by commissioners, Council members, staff members and
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then obviously the first source of attack, the gate attendants or the employees that work the gate. So we receive
a number of comments throughout the year. Specifically, the negative comments which we hear are, this is just
another user fee. We've already paid taxes. for these services so why are you charging us again. And when we
have out of town visitors, our parks are free. Speaking specifically to most municipal parks, why do we have to
pay to get into yours? On the other hand, it is a positive, it has a positive impact on the city because it is a
revenue source. It grosses about $25,000.00 a year, netting approximately $15,OOO.00i: on an annual basis. It
creates some employment for the city of Chanhassen, specifically our youth. However, now with Target and
Byerly's and Festival, we're not quite as worried about that as we were 6 or 7 years ago. We can't find
employees any longer. And then it does provide, and the one which is most intangible but most discussed is
that it does provide a gate keeper type security to the entrance of Lake Ann Park. So the Park Commission, to
cut right to the chase, finally took the dive and would like to make a recommendation that the fees be struck in
their entirety but then to attempt to retain this gate keeper effect, they would like to see some sort of park patrol
maintained within the city of Chanhassen. That does not have to be exclusively for Lake Ann Park but could be
for the park system in it's entirety. That motion passed unanimously. At first glance this may seem severe.
This action. But again as my prelude pointed out, they've been debating it year in and year out since I've been
here. Really what it comes down to is the financial impacts. If the City Council endorses would be that you'd
lose approximately $20,000.00 to $25,000.00 in revenue from the revenue stream for '95. We'd save about
$1,500.00 in printing costs for the entrance passes and then by their recommendation, keeping a gate attendants
or this park patrol if you will, you would still need to retain some expenditure of approximately $7,200.00. So
in other words, we operate to the good now about $15,000.00 and they want to put you in the red about
$7,000.00 to $10,000.00. For your information I did attach an annual budget, which is part of the general fund
budget for Lake Ann Park which totals $63,000.00 so you can see the $15,000.00 in revenue offsets that by a
percentage, but nearly enough to pay for the entire operation of Lake Ann Park. So again the recommendation
from the Park Commission is to strike the entrance fees in their entirety and retain the gate attendant program
modifying it to a park patrol. You will note the manager's comments, which I accept and which I knew this
issue would come up. In that the adopted 1995 budget includes those gate receipts so that revenue is included
in our budget. Should the Council wish to change something, we would have to cut an item so the item should
have really been included in the 1995 budget request but the process just on an annual basis does not work that
way so we either have to amend our budget or set ourselves up for the 1996 budget.
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Mayor Chmiel: Okay, thank you. Colleen.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: I don't even go to my husband's softball games anymore. I get such an earful on
this iss~e. I would agree with the Park and Rec's recommendation. However, I know that we are used as
regional park. There are a lot of non-residents and did the commission discuss just a non-resident fee?
Todd Hoffman: No, they did not.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Is there anyway it could be worked into softball fees or any other league fees? To
somehow offset our costs for the gate keeper.
Todd Hoffman: Sure. At present we charge the softball players $2.00 per person on top of their regularly
charge to go into the parking fee so we already charge the adult softball. By policy we do not charge youth or
youth participants or youth spectators so anybody coming into the park involved in a youth swimming lesson or
a youth ballgame or spectator, drives in free anyway.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: So it would just be the spectators of the adult softball?
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Todd Hoffman: Correct.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: That I hear from basically.
Councilman Senn: Clarification. You said the softball players also have to have a parking permit though. So if
they're a non-resident, there is a separation. Or there could be a separation, to answer her question.
Todd Hoffman: Yeah, for another $2.00 they each receive, each roster player receives a sticker. there's a
minority of our softball players who are non-residents. Only up to 4 players per team can be a non-resident so
there's a minority there but yes, they are.
Councilman Berquist: But they still get the sticker?
Todd Hoffman: Correct. Excuse me, it is $5.00 because they pay for an annual permit.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: I don't think we can do it for this year, for '95 but I would say let's, well. In the
greater scheme of things this is probably the worth the lack of headache, not collecting them and not having
them. The printing costs, etc. However I do like the idea of keeping someone at the front gate, just to direct
traffic if nothing else and changing into a roving security element so I guess I'd support the recommendation but
not for '95.
. Mayor Chmiel: Okay, Michael.
Councilman Mason: Well, I've paid the Lake Ann Park fee every year I've lived here and I figure it's just, I
mean it's a nice park. It comes with the territory. I think Colleen's comments about it being used as a regional
park are well put. I know an awful lot of people from Eden Prairie that camp out there in the summer. Having
said that, if Park and Rec doesn't want it, I certainly understand. I agree with the Manager's and Colleen's
comments. I think if they don't want it for next year, I think they've got to find the money because, and I know
that's kind of hardball and all that but I mean that is mine, yeah and we've got kind of tight budget the way it is
so. I guess 1'11 defer to that judgment but I don't think it's that big a deal. Paying a $5.00 fee to use that park
as many times as I've go to it in a year.
Mayor Chmiel: Okay, thanks. Mark.
Councilman Senn: Well I guess my position hasn't I guess really changed from last year. I would really like to
see us get rid of the charge for residents. I'd like to see us get rid of it this year because last year when it came
up, we said we'll look at it and maybe get rid of it next year and it seems like every year we just put it off
another year. I however would like a different approach than what the Park Commission is recommending
because I would like to see a charge for non-residents to maintain some of that revenue and some of that cost.
guess I'm used to paying for that wherever else I go to use park systems. Directly or indirectly. A wonderful
example of that is Excelsior. I mean you go up to the Commons Park, whether you know it or not you're
paying for it because you're putting the quarters in the meter. Every resident of Excelsior has a sticker on their
car which means they can park at those meters without putting quarters in those meters. Okay. And you can
call that reverse stickering or whatever but it is reverse stickering, whatever but.
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Councilman Mason: A phrase has been coined here folks.
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Councilman Senn: It does work and I buy my permits to Hennepin County parks every year and I buy my
permits to several other parks and I even, I suppose some of them that don't charge me, I make donations to
anyway. I mean I think from a standpoint of our residents, they pay their taxes. Something that ought to be
included in that. I donit think we ought to be charging them to go in and use their park system. As far as non-
residents go, I have absolutely no qualms about charging them to use it and I could care less even if you raise
the fee a little bit higher to help offset some of those costs and Todd, I somehow think you could probably be
ingenious enough to find a way to take care of that revenue this year. And he's shaking his head yes. And we
could get this thing implemented and get on with it. I think it's a silly issue to come up every year. I think the
only way we're going to get rid of the issue is to do what we should do and that is get rid of the fee.
Mayor Chmiel: Okay, Steve.
Councilman Berquist: Well I wasn't aware that it's been such a thorn in everyone's side as it appears to have
been. My thought is that $15,000.00 is $15,000.00. Where else can you make $15,000.00 and $25,000.00
worth of revenue? How much time is actually spent policing this thing? That's question one. Question two,
how much money is made off of concessions? I mean there's certain things that are done at that park to
generate income. - I've never, I'm not privy to all these complaints that you folks apparently have been. I'm sure
because of the positions that you've been in for much, much longer than I have.
Councilman Mason: I quite honestly have never heard a complaint.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Oh really?
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Councilman Senn: You haven't?
Mayor Chmiel: In my 6 years I've not heard one complaint about the cost of parking.
Councilman Berquist: I mean if you look at Lake Ann Park and you compare that to some of the other city
parks that are here and in other cities, Lake Ann Park is, I mean there's no comparison. It's silly to even say
let's compare it because it's far and away a superior facility. I understand your concern Todd. You say it would
make your job that much easier. I believe it. But that's not our problem. One thing that I've got a question
about. How many times has that gate keeper perceive a threat or get an implied threat and is there any of that
that comes up as this security aspect of it?
Todd Hoffman: There certainly is. In fact when I was first employed, that person was responsible for taking
the money and then transporting it to City Hall. That has since been discontinued. The deputies now pick it up
from that person. It is a very difficult position. We work with those people on their public relation skills when
people enter the park and they're confronted to pay an entry fee to get into the park because obviously there are
a number of folks who would just as soon drive right in. A comment on which way you go, I would say please
don't separate the thing and just charge non-residents and not charge residents simply based on, we don't get rid
of any of the administrative issues and we drop our revenues, at least based on the last 5 years, season non-
residents made up $3,700.00 last year. Daily passes were $10,000.00. If you split that in half and give non-
residents $5,000.00, you've got about $9,000.00 in non-resident fees corning in. Your softball teams were
$5,100.00 so that's a pretty big chunk that is tacked on as a surcharge on your softball teams. So if we only
charge non-residents, we will recoup all our costs but not much more than that. To answer your question, the
first couple of years of concessions we averaged $5,000.00 to $7,000.00 in revenue at the concession and that
does not designate profits. I can't quote you on the profits.
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Councilman Berquist: And who mans the concessions? An employee?
Todd Hoffman: Concession employees, yes.
Councilman Berquist: Much the same as these people that run the gate?
Todd Hoffman: Correct.
Councilman Berquist: And if the gate keeper system is abandoned, you're looking at paying $5.50-$5.25 an
hour for a gate keeper. What are your costs per hour? How much is that going to go up if you have a traveling,
a roving security person?
Todd Hoffman: At least $2.00 an hour. $8.00 an hour. You're going to be looking for a different caliber
person so a gate attendant is going to be an enforcer of some type and that's going to be a different caliber
person.
Mayor Chmiel: Yeah but we have our, some of the security within the park in itself. We have our CSO's
going through there. They're driving through on a constant basis. And Sheriff Deputies are driving through
there as well as well as our own.
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Councilman Senn: In fact they go through a great deal because they usually have to clean up the accidents out
at the entry first.
Mayor Chmiel: Yeah, that's the next thing we've got to take care of.
Todd Hoffman: That's what the gate attendants do, they dial 911 a lot.
Mayor Chmiel: Do you have anything else?
Councilman Berquist: No, I don't...
Mayor Chmiel: I guess you know, parks really are an amenity within the city and as beautiful as Lake Ann
Park basically is, and maintained, even with the upkeep of the fields and everything else that we have, there are
some additional costs incurred with that, just as it is with any park. But that one I think is just a little bit more.
I think with the Park and Rec Commission coming back and asking to drop these fees probably should have
been brought to us much earlier in 1994 for the budgeting purposes. I'm of the same opinion that Colleen is.
Not for this year. I don't see that, and maybe I don't even see it for next year. But to be able to pick up
additional dollars as such is one less way for us putting things into our budget and increasing our budget and
raising taxes to a certain point as well. And I just feel that the way we have it, I think we should just keep it as
is and continue in that particular vein. I guess I would be, and Don and I did have discussions on this as well,
regarding what we should do with it and I think he expressed my position rather well here as well. So I would
ask for a motion. In fact I'd even make the motion to keep and retain our daily park passes and seasonal pass
for residents as well as seasonal passes for non-residents at the existing fees that we have and is there a second?
Councilman Mason: Second.
. Mayor Chmiel: Moved and seconded. Any other discussion?
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Ma)'or Chmiel moved, Councilman Mason seconded to keep the Parking Fees for 1995 at the same rnte as the
1994 fees: S2.00, Daily Park Pass; $5.00, Seasonal Pass for Residents; and $10.00, Seasonal Pass for Non-
Residents. All voted in fa,'or, except Councilman Senn and Councilwoman Dockendorf who opposed, and the
motion eanied with a vote of 3 to 2.
Mayor Chmiel: Would you like to clarify as to why, other than what you've probably already had said.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Well you know in listening to Mark I think, I liked his solution. Just charging
non-residents because the complaints you get are from residents who think they're being double taxed.
Mayor Chmiel: $5.00.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Plus the daily. I mean if you're not expecting it and you drive up and you just
want to use the lake and you're hit for $2.00, you won't go back because that's a negative experience. However,
for non-residents, you know as I said, it's viewed as a regional park system and I wouldn't have a problem
charging non-residents.
Mayor Chmiel: Okay, Mark.
Councilman Senn: Maybe it's the area I live in but the favorite comment I get from that area is, and I get it
every year because we raise their taxes every year but, you know they raise my taxes but they still charge me to
get into my park and I tell you, talk about a negative PR for this city, I think that's right up there as the number
one and I spoke strongly about this last year. I'm going to speak strongly about it every year until we do
something about it. If not, I see no problem...
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Mayor Chmiel: Well as I said, let them come in a little sooner and present it.
Councilman Senn: Well I'm sorry. I'm going to take issue with that because I brought this up last year. We
were going to study it. We were going to look at it and it was going to come back to us. And this year it was
supposed to be gotten rid of and there's absolutely nothing that's happened except I talked with Todd and Todd
tells me that we can pull this off and it's not going to hurt the budget.
Mayor Chmiel: Did you follow through with it?
Councilman Senn: Yeah.
Mayor Chmiel: To make sure that it came to us in time for the budget...
Councilman Senn: Brought it up again at budget time. That was in September-October. I mean I don't know
what more follow-up I can do other than keep bringing it up. Okay.
Mayor Chmiel: Okay, Mike.
Councilman Mason: You know what, I can ride my bike over there on the trails and I don't have to pay
anything to get into the park.
Councilman Senn: Well you're lucky you have trails too.
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Councilman Mason: Yeah, I have in the 8 years that I have lived here, I mean just a little counter point here, I
have never heard anyone complain about paying, a city resident, I've never heard a city resident complain about
having to pay to go to Lake Ann. Like I said, I've paid my bucks every year I've lived here and if it's a...tax, so
be it. I think it's worth it.
ADl\1lNISTRA TIVE PRESENT A nONS:
SET DATE TO INTERVIEW COMMISSION CANDIDATES. CITY MANAGER.
Don Ashworth: Yes, the City Council asked that this item not appear until after the first of the year. It's after
the first of the year so I'm bringing it back to you. In hopes we can arrive at a date. Unfortunately we only
have one off Monday in January because the other is Martin Luther King Day. The city is prohibited from
conducting business on that day. Once we select a date, you had raised various questions the last time this item
had come up and kind of wanted to know what your thoughts were on some of these. The issue about term
limits for example we don't need to tackle tonight but do you wish to take and interview incumbents.
Councilman Senn: Well Don these are the issues I thought we wanted to discuss at the work session. I mean
that's why I was surprised to kind of see the questions posed for tonight because these are the questions we
outlined but we said these are what we really want to sit down and discuss and figure out which route we want
to go on them.
. Don Ashworth: I didn't interpret it that way so.
Councilman Senn: Am I wrong?
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Well, to respond to Mark's question. I don't want to have a whole work session
deciding how we select commission members.
Councilman Senn: Well I'm not saying it has to be the whole work session but I mean, I feel strongly that we
should have the work session and get it set one way or the other.
Don Ashworth: Well you did say you wanted to look at the financial policies. I mentioned two other items that
could be a part of the next work session so if you wanted to follow Mark's sugg'estion. Answer these questions
as a part of the work session then move on to the financial thing and the construction...we could do that. The
other problem with the commission, let's assume we don't meet until January to figure out answers to these
questions and then we pick out some time in February to actually do it. That means we're going to have
commission members starting 2 to 3 months after they could have started.
Councilman Senn: We have commissioners in place don't we?
Don Ashworth: Right but they're, and they will continue to, the policy is they continue to serve until they're
replaced but I mean, you're taking away x number of months from a potential commissioner going on.
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Councilman Senn: Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see this as a multiple work session item. I mean I think we'll
have a discussion and reach some conclusions at the work session and then it's a matter of putting it on the next
Council agenda, up or down or whatever. I think most of these questions will be answered at the work session.
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Mayor Chmiel: Okay, what's Council's position?
Councilman Berquist: I'm not that familiar with procedures but I mean I read the questions and answered them.
Councilman Senn: Yeah, I did too but I mean we've got to get together and do that.
Don Ashworth: If you all did that and just passed them in, I'd know the answer.
Councilman Senn: Yeah, but we'll have different answers I'm afraid.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Yes, 10 minutes, yes, no, February.
Councilman Mason: Number one is a yes.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: Number two is 10 minutes.
Councilman Mason: Well, 10 is kind of short. 15.
Councilman Senn: I had 20 down.
Mayor Chmiel: I think you can get things accomplished within 10 minutes myself.
Councilman Senn: The next one I had no.
Councilman Mason: The subcommittee, no.
Councilwoman Dockendorf: I put yes but that just means I won't show so.
Mayor Chmiel: What month would you like terms to take effect?
Councilwoman Dockendorf: February.
Mayor Chmiel: Of this' coming year.
Councilman Senn: Well I had first quarter down because I'd like to get away from this bit where we're trying to
do it in the rush, that we're trying to rush everything else through up through December.
Mayor Chmiel: I think first quarter would be good.
Councilman Berquist: That they fill the position at the end of the first quarter.
Councilman Senn: Yeah, like March 31 st or April 1 or something like that and then we're on a cycle where
we're not so hurried.
Mayor Chmiel: And then we stagger those anyway with the times that they're elected and when they go.
Councilman Mason: January 30th.
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C ITV OF
CHINHISSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
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FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director
DATE:
August 17, 1995
SUBJ:
Director's Report
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Progress on the 1995 Capital Improvem, rogram (CIP) - with the addition of our
Park Heavy Equipment Operator capit~limtpvement work is "ahead" of past years.
All 1994 hold over work and 1995 work willpe completed by Thanksgiving.
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. Recreation Center - Staff is under the gun and~xperiencing high anxiety over the
opening of the Recreation Center-As you diref!or, I have questioned my decision to
not higher a full time manager ()~the facility. My conclusion, however, is still the
same. Current st~ff has the skill, knowledge and~bi1ity to operate this new venture!
Dawn, Jerry and the remainder of staff need youriupport in this area. Staff time
allocations to the Recreation Center are currently a(the following levels:
Dawn Beitel
Todd Hoffman
Jerry Ruegemer
Eric
100%
50%
25%
We begin
. Council action of August 14, 1995:
1.
Commission recommendation
Snowmobile trail was approved.
2.
Recommendation from the 1995 Park Task Force and the Park and Recreation
Commission was approved.
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Park and Recreation Commission
August 17, 1995
Page 2
. Bluff Creek Elementary/Chanhassen Recreation Center Open House - The city is
participating in an open house initiated by the school district on Wednesday, August
30 from 4:00 - 7:00 p.m. The community portion of the building will be open and we
expect 2000 visitors.
Commissioners are encouraged to act as greeters. Please check your schedules.
. 1996 Budget - The department is also immersed in the 1996 budget process. Does the
commission support the hiring of a youth coordinator? This is proposed as a new full
time position. Responsibilities would revolve 100% around youth programs. Do
commissioners have any specific 1996 budget requests (other than the CIP)?
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
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FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Director of Parks and Recreation
DATE:
August 17, 1995
SUBJ:
Commission Vacancy
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As you are aware, Commissioner Dave Huffma signed effective July 27, 1995. Publication
of the vacancy will be printed in the Chanhassf1 illager. In addition, unsuccessful
applicants from the past two selection pools wilJ b.........contacted.
Interviews with the Commission will be scheduled fqr your September meeting.
I hope to have a new member on board for the October meeting.
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ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION
Memo from Dale Gregory, dated July 27, 1995.
Letter from Chris Sones, dated August 8, 1995.
Star Tribune Article re: City Parkland, dated June 3, 1995.
Letter to Red Cedar Cove Townhome Association, dated August 1, 1995.
Letter from Red Cedar Cove Townhome Association, dated July 16, 1995.
Letter to Bor-Son Companies, dated July 31, 1995.
Letter to HGA, dated July 28, 1995.
Letter to Bor-Son Construction, dated July 21, 1995.
Letter from the City of Champlin, dated August 14, 1995.
Memos to Softball Managers re: Fall Softball, dated July 25, 1995.
League Entry Fees/In-house Rules and Regulations.
Revenues from Lake Ann Concessions.
League Standings as of August 14, 1995.
Summer Sensations Program Evaluations.
CITY OF
CHAHHASSEH
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Todd Hoffinan, Park and Recreation Director
FROM: Dale Gregory, Park Superintendent
DATE: July 27, 1995
SUBJECT: Tree Planting Spring 1995
This spring the Park Department transplanted tr rom Mike Gorra's property. We had to
remove 25 damaged and dying trees from six his year. With the donation of trees from
Mike Gorra, we were able to plant 93 trees in ame six parks. Tree spade rental and .
labor for moving the 93 trees came to $3,43l~ 5 or 6.90 per tree. The three varieties of
trees moved to the parks are American Lin4~n, Greerl~sh, and Locust. The value of the
trees moved is $250.00 per tree for a totavalue of $2250.00
Directors Note:
ts the City to donate e ss nursery stock. The
riginally a summer proj eet .. r Mr. Gorra' s son. The
a life of their own, outgrowing their space.
DG:njd
Mr. Gorra routine 1
"Gorra Tree Far
trees have now ta
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CHANHASSEN CITY PARK TREES
MAY 1995
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PARK Trees Trees Trees Total New
Removed Replaced Added Trees Planted
Bandimere 2 2 2 4
Chanhassen Hills 0 0 22 22
Lake Ann 13 12 23 35
Meadow Green 4 4 11 15
Power Hill 0 0 11 11
Rice Marsh 6 5 1 6
TOTAL: 25 23 70 93
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RECEIYED
AUG 0 9 1995
Todd Hoffman, Park & Rec. Director
City of Chanhassen
Chanhassen, Mn. 55317
CITy u!"" \"'r"",,,! '!rJA.:)SE!'J
August 8, 1995
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Todd;
I am writing this letter in leiu of being at the city meeting this evening in person.
I regret not being there especially after having informed others that I would be there.
I am writing to state a position on the plans for Power Hill Park. Firstly, I am glad
that we now have plans and even happier to see the progress of our park. My thanks
to the city. Current plans indicate a small area designated for off-street parking to be
constructed. My first response to this plan was negative because I saw no need for
extra parking in an area that you, Todd, have indicated is a "neighborhood park". I
believe that I have even signed a petition calling for the removal of those parking
spaces.
After some discussion with neighbors, and getting more information about those
stalls, I wish to have my name removed from any such petition for the following
reasons:
1. I believe the planns called for 6 or fewer stalls.
2. It is my understanding that these are "handicapped only" spaces that
are currently mandated for any public areas.
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If my information is not correct, I would appreciate my neighbors letting me know
where it is not. Otherwise, I am pleased to see plans and progress, especially
knowing that our population growth does tax the systems ability to continually provide
high levels of service such as we are getting.
Sincerely,
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Chris Sones
8756 Flamingo Dr.
Chanhassen
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18A Saturday/June 3/1995
StarTnbune
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OUR PERSPECTIVE
City parkland
A": luxury' that repays its costs
\Yhen listing city spending priorities.
p!lfks could easily be relegated to the
lqwer part of the list. How important.
after all, is a patch of grass. a stand of
trees or a softball diamond compared
t6i.' 6ay, police and fire protection? Pub-
lic.health and safer.... should come first
~ let luxuries like parks take what's
leit over.
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Except that in crowded urban centers.
parks and green spaces may be no less
vital to people's well-being than an effi-
d~ntly run police department or sew-
age~disposal system. Far from being
luxuries. parks - especially well-sited.
weB-designed and well-maintained
parks - provide much-needed relief
and escape from the crowded, often
hectic and confrontational urban scene.
\1inneapolis has lived by that precept
for more than a century - developing
a park system that not only brings ex-
traordinary beauty and recreational op-
ronunity to the lives of its citizens. but
international recognition to the city it-
self. Such is the high importance given
w parks. in Minneapolis that the city
even puts them under the protection of
an independently elected governing
board. Other city priorities may rise
~lnd fall with the political winds. but
the position of parks is expected to
remain constant and inviolable.
Yet today. Minneapolis' park system
seems as vulnerable to fiscal pressure as
any other city department. With recent
declines in both city population and tax
base. some are wondering whether
~linneapolis' park system has grown
too large and should be pared back. or
.
at least not expanded any further. Oth-
erwise. they fear. the city will have to
cut back so far on park maintenance
that the whole system will suffer.
The city. indeed. cannot afford to let its
parks fall into disrepair. And some of
the money-saving changes being made
in grass-mowing schedules and other
main tenance programs are worrisome.
But neither can park officials confi-
dently say Minneapolis has all the park-
land it will ever need. One might argue.
for example. that with its chain-of-Iakes
parks. the city was able to get along for
a century without developing its Mis-
sissippi riverfront as recreational green-
space - and should not spend money
on such an effort now. Yet surely it
would be as tragic to pass up today's
opportunity to develop riverfront parks
_ especially through relatively park-
poor north Minneapolis - as it would
have been a century ago to fail to set
aside the south Minneapolis lakes for
public ownership and recreation before
they were swept by private devel-
opment.
All the more reason for the Minneapo-
lis Park and Recreation Board to be
turning to entrepreneurial and other
creative financial schemes for supple-
mental revenues. even as it seeks to cut
costs without putting either the existing
system at risk or failing to provide
needed expansion. Parks don't pay
property taxes. but by making the city
more livable and attractive they do
much to enhance the value of the pri-
vate properties that do pay them. Gov-
ernment offers no better bargain.
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Editorial
CITY OF
CHAHHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
August 1, 1995
Ms. Sara H. Maney, President
Red Cedar Cove Townhome Association
7078 Red Cedar Cove
Excelsior, MN 55331
Dear Ms. Maney and Members:
Thank you for your letter of July 16, 1995 reg~ \)g the proposed Minnewashta neighborhood
park. I have had the opportunity to speak witq)a number of your members directly, both in .
person and by phone over the past 12 to 18 JIlcmthsl All of you enjoy a very nice setting at
Red Cedar Cove, and I understand your concerns.
Prior to responding to the questions raised in your letter, I would like to reiterate that city
planning is a public process. You and tqe other members of Red Cedar Cove are always
welcome to join your neighbors, the Park & Recreation Commission, the City Council and the
members of city staff in this proces&~
As you know, a "conceptual" park plan was developed for the Kings Road property. This
make-believe depiction is simply a planning tool. The final plan mayor may not
resemble this conce copy of this plan is attached for use.
. on is in response to your questions:
The following i
1. The Oaks at Minnewashtadevelopment will result in increased vehicle traffic on
Minnewashta Boulevard. Vehide trip generation from.a singleramily home averages
8 to 10 per day. The presence of thel1eighborhood park decreases the density of the
proposed Oaks at Minnewashta devel~Ji>~~l1t. There may be instances when park
traffic could exceed the 120 to 150 dai).yvehicle trips which are eliminated due to the
presence of the park. However, these times would be the exception rather than the
rule.
2.
Parks and recreation have a positive impact on health, crime prevention, the
environment, the economy and the quality of life in our community. A park, similar
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August 1, 1995
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to any property, is not immune from hosting nuisance or unlawful activity. The
prominent sighting of this park at the intersection of Kings Road and Minnewashta
Parkway will go a long way in deterring unwanted activities. Minnewashta Parkway,
the future Kings Road, the park entrance and the parking area are, or will be,
illuminated by street lights. Noise pollution is governed by city ordinances already in
place.
3. The city has ordinances in place governing these points as well. Late night parties are
not permitted. City park hours are 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. Alcohol consumption (malt
beverages) in non-glass containers is allowed in city parks. Regarding trash and
debris, the city maintains trash receptacles at all city park locations. These receptacles
are serviced as needed.
4. The opinions presented in your letter and previous testimony by members of your
association are a part of the public record. These opinions, along with those expressed
and presented by others, will be considered by the Park & Recreation Commission and
the City Council during their decision making process.
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I look forward to your continued involvement and input into this issue. If I can be of any
further assistance at the present time, please do not hesitate to call me at 937-1900 ext. 121.
Sincerely,
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Park & Recreation Director
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Mayor and City Council
Don Ashworth, City Manager
Scott Harr, Public Safety Director
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Architecture. Engineering. Interior Design
1201 Harmon Place
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403-1985
Telephone 612.337.4100
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WRITER'S DIRECT DIAL NUMBER
612/337-4148
Mr. Greg Szypulski
Bor-Son Companies
P.O. Box 1611
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403
Re: Chanhassen Elementary School
Brick Match
HGA Commission Number 1400.003.00
Dear Greg:
HGA has reviewed your letter regarding the brick in question at the north wall of the gymnasium.
The staining process proposed is unacceptable. Provide brick to match both the color and the
mix of the surrounding brick veneer wall surface. Submission of brick samples and the
construction of a mockup panel shall be required for final approval of the brick to be used.
Sincerely,
GREEN AND ABRAHAMSON, INC.
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Enclosure
cc:
Dr. David Clough, ISD 112
Greg McGree, ISD 112
David Peterson, ISD 112
Todd Hoffinan, City ofChanhassen
John Gockel, IRG
Bob Rothman, HGA
July 28, 1995
JUL 31 199J
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HGA, Inc.
1201 Harmon Place
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403
Re: New Elementary School
Chanhassen, Minnesota
Dear David:
This letter is regarding the brick in question on the north wall of
the Gymnasium.
Enclosed is a proposal from sioux City Brick & Tile Company dated
July 21, 1995 on the method in which they would like to resolve
this issue.
Please review and respond if this is acceptable.
Sincerely,
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cc: Mark Mahoney
sioux City Brick & Tile Company
John Gockel
John R. Gockel & Associates, Inc.
Rich Lyons
BOR-SON Companies
Tom Deppa
Minnesota Brick & Tile Company
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BOR-50N CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES
P.O. Box 1611
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55440 (612) 854-8444
FAX (612) 854-8910
Member: AGC-Assoc:lated General Contractors
Equal Opportunity Employer
SIOUX CITY BRICK & TILE COMPANY
310 South Floyd Boulevard
P.O. Box 807
Sioux City, Iowa 51102
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Telephone 712-258-6571
FAX 712-252-3215
July 21, 1995
Bor-Son Construction
Box 1611
Minneapoli~, MN 55440
Attn: Greg Szypulski
RECEIVED
JUL 25 1995
BOR-SON
Re: Chanhassen Elementary
Dear Greg:
In line with your conversation with Tom Deppa, we propose to correct
the color problem on the above building using a staining process which
has been used by the brick industry for over 20 years. The objection-
.able brick in the wall will be individually treated so they will blend
in and be harmonious with the rest of the wall. This process has been
tested and found to be durable under ASTM chemical resistance test
C-126 and ASTM C-67 test for Freeze Thaw Durability. This stain
material can be expected to weather along with the unstained brick in
a normal fashion.
We agree to be responsible for any abnormal discoloration of these
altered brick to the extent that we will reprocess the discolored
brick in the same manner with the same or improved materials to
correct the wall appearance.
If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Yours very truly,
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11955 CHAMPLIN DRIVE, CHAMPLIN. MN 55316-2399. (612) 421-8100. TDD 421-5547
August 14, 1995
Jerry Rugamer
City of Chanhassen
City Hall, P.O. Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317-0147
Dear Jerry Rugamer
The Second Anmlal Kiddie Carnival was a whopping Success. This
years carnival far exceeded turnout projections. Over 1100 hundred
adults and children participate this year; this is more than double
who participate last ysar. We also had a record ticket sales of
7100. Not to bad ....,hen YO\J 0!11,y chcirge a single tid~t:.~'t :0:::- a
majori ty of ~he food and act::i vity. .
We, at t,ne City of Ch':U11pl~_n Pa.r}~s and Re:::::re.a"t.ion Dep~~rt_1,:ent " WOL:ld
like tc thank you for making ~his a great c~rnival. It is people
1 ike yourself that Jr,ake g-rea t. things har;pc,~. -;'Je could not of
provided something like this to the public with out your suppor~.
As we look to the future, we hope to expand this event to greater
heights. As we did this year, we expect this to grow into o~e of
the more popular events in the communi::y. Once aga in, Than}:s for
time and dedication. The young children tha~ walked away with huge
smiles, thank you.
If you have any further questIons, please feel free to call Dan
Masloski at ~21-2820.
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Softball Managers
FROM: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation SupeIVisor 1k
DATE: July 25, 1995
SUBJ: Co-Rec Fall Softball
The Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department will be offering a Co-Rec Fall Softball League this year
under the following guidelines.
The regular season lasts 5 weeks starting Wedn~s , August 23 and ending September 20.
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All games will be played at Lake Ann park atr6:00
and a 3-2 count without a courtesy.
. and 7:00 pm. with a 55 minute time limit,
Teams will play double headers one nightper week on Wednesdays.
Summer In-house Rules will apply for the 1995 Co-Rec Fall League.
USSSA approved umpires will govern all games.
The Co-Rec League is set up. to accommodate 8 teams, with first priority going to teams which have
played in a 1995 Ch~~~~eri summer softball league. Teamsj'yhich have participated in a 1995
Chanhassen s le~~.....~~.~q}?..~Fin~~~.gg~~..~~~~~....f~~.~y 4:30 pm. on Friday, August 7th.
At 8:00 am. on ; August 7th, any new team may register.
The rules on e 1
players to either wOlk 0
r the fall league will remain the sam e as the summer rules requiring
e in Chanhassen. Four non-resident players are permitted on each roster.
League fees for the fall league will be $245.00,
With the fall season rapidly approaching, everybody m quickly. If your team is interested in joining,
please contact me upon receipt of this letter. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me at 937-
1900, ext. 126.
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CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Softball Managers
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FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation SupeIVisor
DATE:
July 25, 1995
SUBJ:
Women's Fall Softball
The Chanhassen Parle and Recreation Department will be offering a Women's Fall Softball League this year
under the following guidelines.
All gam es will be played at Lake AIm parle at
and a 3-2 count without a courtesy.
. and 7:00 pm. with a 55 minute time limit,
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The regular season lasts 4 weeks starting Mon , ugust 21 and ending September 18.
Team s will play double headers one night per week on Mondays.
Summer In-house Rules will apply for.the 1995 Women's.Fall League.
USSSA approved umpires will gove all gam es.
The Women's League is setup 0 accommodate 8 teams, with. first priority going to teams which have
played in a 1995 Chan en summer softball league. Teamsy,rhich have participated in a 1995
Chanhassen sum need to register and pay league fee by 4:30 pm. on Friday, August 4th.
At 8:00 am. on ,ugus(7tli;anyneWtermmayreglster.
requiring
itted on each roster.
The rules on e
players to either wOlk
League fees for the fall league will be
With the fall season rapidly approaching, everybody
please contact me upon receipt of this letter. If you
1900, ext. 126.
quickly. If your team is interested in joining,
any questions, please feel free to call me at 937-
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Softball Managers 1(\
FROM: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
DAlE: July 25, 1995
SUBJ: Men's Open Fall Softball
The Chanhassen Pm and Recreation Department will be offering a Men's Open Fall Softball League this year
under the following guidelines.
The regular season lasts 6 weeks starting the w
September 21.
. All games will be played at Lake Ann pm ar~:oo PJIl. and 7:00 pm. with a 55 minute time limit
and a 3-2 count without a courtesy.
f August 15 and ending the week of
Team s will play double headers one night per week on Tuesdays or Thursdays - team s will be able to
choose their night.
Tuesday
Thursday
Men's Open .!-Ower Division
Men's Open Upper Division
Summer In-house rules will apply for the 1995 Men's Open Fall League.
USSSA
will
all
UeissefUptoaCcomIIlQdate.8teamspe[nightwith first prigpty going to tearns
995 Chanhassen summer softball league. Team s whicb]iave participated in a
1995 Chanhassen sum le~\ly!need to register and pay league fee by 4:30 pm. on Friday, August
4th. At 8:00 am. on Monday, AUgusf7th,any new team maYJ,egister.
The rules on eligibility for the fall league will.
players to either wOlk or live in Chanhassen.
roster.
IIlain the sam e as the summer rules requiring
r non-resident players are penn itted on each
.
League fees for the fall league will be $255.00.
With the fall season rapidly approaching, everybody must act quickly. If your team is interested in joining,
please contact me upon receipt of this letter. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me at 937-
1900, ext. 126.
Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department
Chanhassen City Hall
690 Coulter Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
937-1900, Ext. 126
1.
Lea~ue Entry Fee: Mens Fall Open League
Co-Rec Fall League
Women's Fall League
$255.00
$245.00
$235.00
All fees payable to the City of Chanhassen, fee includes one new ball per game.
2. Deadlines and Important Dates:
A. League fees due by Friday, August 4th by 4:30 p.m.
B. $100.00 Conduct Fee due with league fees.
C. Rosters Due: Friday, August 11, 1995 by 4:30 p.m. (Rosters are to be signed
by each team member.
D.
Final Rosters Due: Friday, September 8, 1995 at 4:30 p.m. (Any changes on the
roster must be done by this date). ~ players may be added after this date. May
NOT exceed 20 players including player/manager.
3. Insurance:
The Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department DOES NOT provide any insurance for
this program. Individuals should check their personal insurance programs for coverage.
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IN-HOUSE RULES & REGULATIONS
Official U.S.S.S.A. rules will govern play, with noted In-House exceptions.
1. Game time is forfeit time. No grace period, will be allowed. If a team does not
have nine (9) players to start the game, the game is forfeited. There will be IW.
grace time for the second game. All games will have a 55-minute time limit. No
inning shall start after this time. The time limit begins at the start of your
scheduled game time. Game results are final. Your umpire MA Y give you a
warning if you are approaching this limit, but is not required to do so. Game can
end in a tie.
2. ALL games are six (6) innings with a 55 minute time limit. Games can end in tie.
3. Uniforms: All those participating in a game should wear the adopted team uniform.
Managers and coaches, when on the field, should wear the adopted uniform or a cap and
jacket, which includes the team's emblem and colors.
4. No metal spikes in any Chanhassen leagues. Violation: Forfeiture of game.
5. No fake tags. Violation: Player ejected from the game.
6.
3-2 Count Without a Courtesy.
7. A team may play with nine (9) players without the 10th position being an out.
8. Number of Players (Choose 1 of 4 options each game).
TEAM MANAGERS MUST REPORT THEIR CHOICE OF BATTING ROTATION TO
OPPOSING TEAM'S MANAGER AND THE UMPIRE DURING THE PRE-GAME
UMPIRE/MANAGER'S CONFERENCE.
Option 1: Teams starting with 9 players:
10th position is not an out.
Must have a pitcher and a catcher.
May increase to no more than 10 players.
Starters may leave the field and re-enter once.
Subs may enter the game, but cannot be "benched" and then re-enter.
Option 2: Teams starting with 10 players:
May drop to 9 players without the 10th position being an out.
May not increase to 11 or more players.
Starters may leave the game and re-enter ~.
Subs may enter the game, but cannot be "benched" and then re-enter.
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Option 3: Teams Batting Round Robin (11 or more player):
If a player is injured, your team can drop to ten (10) players. If a player is
ejected from the game, the game is a forfeit.
All players on the bench must be rostered and must play.
All players arriving after the game has started must be immediately rostered and
must play.
Players my discontinue play .onh: if they are injured or if they leave the park.
May drop to as low as 9 players without the 10th position being an out.
Free substitution is allowed, but players must retain the same batting order.
Option 4: Teams using an Additional Hitter.
A team may insert an additional hitter (AH) into their line-up. The batting order
must remain constant, however, any 10 of the 11 players can take a defensive
position. If AH., but failure to declare such a hitter prior to the game, prevents
the use of an AH. in that game. When the AH. is used in the Co-Rec leagues,
a male and female AH. must be used. If any player is injured and unable to play
while using the additional hitter, the game is a forfeit. If you start with eleven
(11), you have to finish with eleven (11).
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9. Fifteen (15) Run Rule in effect after three (3) innings, Ten (10) Run Rule after four (4)
innings.
10. Tie Breaker: All ties in season standings are broken by comparing head-to-head
competition, and then the total runs scored against the team(s) that are tied.
11. Pairings for play-offs will be determined after each team has played each other at least
one time, or by a certain number of weeks.
12. Game Forfeiture: Forfeiture of one (1) game during regular season puts your team on
probation. Forfeiture of two (2) or more games will result in your team being terminated
from league play without receiving your league entry fee back.
13. If a player is ejected more than two (2) times from a game, that player will not be
allowed to play the rest of the season.
14. A player who is caught throwing a bat will automatically be ejected from the game.
15.
Eli~ibility Protests: The protesting team must first prove their own eligibility and then
prove opposing team's ineligibility. To prove eligibility, teams must match valid
Minnesota driver's license to team rosters. Protests made on eligibility may be made prior
to player entering the game OR during the game, but not after the game. The Park and
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Recreation Department reserves the right to pursue any player eligibility questions. If
team rosters are not available, have each team member sign their name and turn the
signatures in to the Park and Recreation office for investigation.
16. All players must carry identification and have it available for presentation at all games.
Allowable I.D.'s include:
Valid Minnesota Driver's License
Social Security Card
If a player is checked and cannot present identification, that player must sign their name
and address on a piece of paper, and give it to the umpire to turn in. Verification then
will be made about eligibility. If they fail to do so, they are ineligible to continue play
in the league and the game in question will be forfeited.
17. Drinking alcoholic beverages in prohibited while a team is playing the game. This
includes managers, coaches, players and players on the bench. Violation: Forfeiture of
the game.
18.
Managers, coaches and players shall NOT make disparaging or insulting remarks to or
about opposing players, managers, coaches, spectators or OFFICIALS. Violation:
Ejection from the game. If player continues after being ejected, the team will forfeit the
game.
19. Ejected Players: Any coach, manager or player ejected from a game shall be declared
ineligible until she/he is reinstated by the League Director, or the Chanhassen Park and
Recreation Department. Any coach, manager, or player ejected from a game during
tournament play will be prohibited from participating in any remaining games in the
tournament. This includes sitting on the bench.
Lake Ann Concessions
Date Food Sales Boat Rental
5/30/95 $70.50 $63.25 .
6/5/95 $272.20 $195.06
6/13/95 $179.75 $116.75
6/14/95 $271.85 $33.50
6/15/95 $290.14 $34.25
6/16/95 $273.85 $20.50
6/19/95 $834.75 $160.25
6/20/95 $240.23 $36.50
6/22/95 $273.26 $83.00
6/25/95 $276.64 $20.25
6/27/95 $88.55 $13.00
6/26/95 $400.35 $98.00
6/28/95 $48.70 $0.00
6/29/95 $29.75 $5.25
6/30/95 $22.40 $0.00
7/3/95 $99.90 $86.25
7/5/95 $537.90 $68.00
7/11/95 $612.95 $189.97
7/13/95 $229.42 $0.00
7/14/95 $251.05 $0.00
7/17/95 $356.75 $50.25
7/18/95 $85.00 $0.00
7/19/95 $252.30 $32.00 .
7/20/95 $66.40 $7.00
7/21/95 $385.10 $50.25
7/24/95 $282.29 $109.35
7/25/95 $243.50 $11.00
7/26/95 $112.85 $36.50
7/27/95 $206.25 $22.75
7/31/95 $657.99 $90.25
8/1/95 $39.35 $1.50
8/2/95 $161.20 $6.50
8/3/95 $86.85 $29.25
8/4/95 $108.40 $4.00
8/7/95 $85.00 $26.00
8/8/95 $111.95 $14.25
8/9/95 $67.50 $10.50
8/10/95 $117.65 $39.00
8/14/95 $106.80 $7.25
8/14/95 $117.85 $0.00
8/15/95 $37.85 i{LOQ
Total $8,992.97 $1,771.38
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CORPORATE C LEAGUE
1995 CORPORATE "C" SCHEDULE
MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995 .
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TEAM NAME
WINS LOSSES TIES
WIN PCT.
1 ROSEMOUNT WEST 10 4 0 .714
Tie 1 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 10 4 0 .714
2 EMPAK 8 6 0 .571
3 REDMOND 6 8 0 .429
Tie 3 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 6 8 0 .429
4 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 2 12 0 .143
TEAM vs. TEAM SCORES
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TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE
MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT WEST 14 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 3
7:20p LAKE #4 EMPAK 16 REDMOND 5
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 12 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 20
~AY - MAY 1, 1995
.10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 10 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 3
7:20p LAKE #4 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 9
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT WEST 13 REDMOND 17
MONDAY - MAY 8, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 REDMOND 6 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 16
7:20p LAKE #4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 16 ROSEMOUNT WEST 14
7:20p LAKE #5 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 16 EMPAK 3
MONDAY - MAY 15, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT WEST 23 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 13
7:20p LAKE #4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 12 EMPAK 13
7:20p LAKE #5 REDMOND 8 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 7
MONDAY - MAY 22, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 1 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 12
7:20p LAKE #4 EMPAK 19 ROSEMOUNT WEST 7
7:20p LAKE #5 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 8 REDMOND 0
MONDAY - JUNE 5, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 15 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 8
7:20p LAKE #4 REDMOND 5 EMPAK 21
7:20p LAKE #5 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 4 ROSEMOUNT WEST 13
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League Name: CORPORATE C LEAGUE
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Start Date: MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995
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MONDAY - JUNE 12, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 REDMOND 8 ROSEMOUNT WEST 11
7:20p LAKE #4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 9 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 14
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 2 EMPAK 17
MONDAY - JUNE 19, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 6 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 10
7:20p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 15 REDMOND 12
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT WEST 20 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 4
MONDAY - JUNE 26, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 9 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 19
7:20p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 7 ROSEMOUNT WEST 14
7:20p LAKE #5 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 19 REDMOND 20
MONDAY - JULY 10, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT WEST 9 EMPAK 14
7:20p LAKE #4 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 11 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 8
7:20p LAKE #5 REDMOND 12 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 21
MONDAY - JULY 17, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 7 REDMOND 8
7:20p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT WEST 21 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 8 .
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 9 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 12
MONDAY - JULY 24, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 12 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 10
7:20p LAKE #4 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 8 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 20
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT WEST 21 REDMOND 19
MONDAY - JULY 31, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 4 ROSEMOUNT WEST 8
7:20p LAKE #4 REDMOND 24 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 7
7:20p LAKE #5 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 14 EMPAK 13
MONDAY - AUGUST 7 , 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 REDMOND 14 DS SCREAMING EAGLES 6
7:20p LAKE #4 PILLSBURY DOUGHBOYS 17 EMPAK 16
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT WEST 13 ROSEMOUNT ROCKETS 2
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CORPORATE D LEAGUE
1995 CORPORATE "D" SCHEDULE
MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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1 WEB SOX 11 1 0 .917
2 ROSE WRECKING CREW 9 2 1 .792
3 ABC MILLWORK 8 3 1 .708
4 DATASERV PR 6 6 0 .500
5 MILLTRONICS 4 8 0 .333
6 SSDI 2 10 0 .167
7 MSI MANIACS 1 11 0 .083
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MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995
ABC MILLWORK 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 ROSE WRECKING CREW 11 MILLTRONICS 9
6:10p LAKE #6 SSDI 15 DATASERV PR 22
eOp LAKE #6 MSI MANIACS 15 WEB SOX 16
MONDAY - MAY 1, 1995
MILLTRONICS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 ABC MILLWORK 18 DATASERV PR 6
6:10p LAKE #6 ROSE WRECKING CREW 13 WEB SOX 11
7:20p LAKE #6 SSDI 33 MSI MANIACS 12
MONDAY - MAY 8, 1995
DATASERV PR 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 MILLTRONICS 3 WEB SOX 16
6:10p LAKE #6 ABC MILLWORK 15 MSI MANIACS 4
7:20p LAKE #6 ROSE WRECKING CREW 8 SSDI 0
MONDAY - MAY 15, 1995
WEB SOX 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 DATASERV PR 16 MSI MANIACS 6
6:10p LAKE #6 MILLTRONICS 11 SSDI 9
7:20p LAKE #6 ABC MILLWORK 14 ROSE WRECKING CREW 1
MONDAY - MAY 22, 1995
MSI MANIACS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 WEB SOX 28 SSDI 3
6:10p LAKE #6 DATASERV PR 10 ROSE WRECKING CREW 20
7:20p LAKE #6 MILLTRONICS 21 ABC MILLWORK 22
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League Name: CORPORATE D LEAGUE
Schedule Name: 1995 CORPORATE "D" SCHEDULE
Start Date: MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995
Current Date: MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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MONDAY - JUNE 5, 1995
SSDI 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 MSI MANIACS 11 ROSE WRECKING CREW 28
6:10p LAKE #6 WEB SOX 14 ABC MILLWORK 8
7:20p LAKE #6 DATASERV PR 11 MILLTRONICS 15
MONDAY - JUNE 12, 1995
ROSE WRECKING CREW 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 SSDI 8 ABC MILLWORK 23
6:10p LAKE #6 MSI MANIACS 0 MILLTRONICS 8
7:20p LAKE #6 WEB SOX 20 DATASERV PR 15
MONDAY - JUNE 19, 1995
ABC MILLWORK 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 MILLTRONICS 6 ROSE WRECKING CREW 21
6:10p LAKE #6 DATASERV PR 8 SSDI 1
7:20p LAKE #6 WEB SOX 13 MSI MANIACS 3
MONDAY - JUNE 26, 1995
MILLTRONICS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 DATASERV PR 17 ABC MILLWORK 5
6:10p LAKE #6 WEB SOX 30 ROSE WRECKING CREW 13
7:20p LAKE #6 MSI MANIACS 8 SSDI 0 .
MONDAY - JULY 10, 1995
DATASERV PR 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 WEB SOX 29 MILLTRONICS 6
6:10p LAKE #6 MSI MANIACS 12 ABC MILLWORK 27
7:20p LAKE #6 SSDI 7 ROSE WRECKING CREW 17
MONDAY - JULY 17, 1995
WEB SOX 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 MSI MANIACS 16 DATASERV PR 17
6:10p LAKE #6 SSDI 16 MILLTRONICS 11
7:20p LAKE #6 ROSE WRECKING CREW 18 ABC MILLWORK 18
MONDAY - JULY 24, 1995
MSI MANIACS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 SSDI 1 WEB SOX 11
6:10p LAKE #6 ROSE WRECKING CREW 28 DATASERV PR 9
7:20p LAKE #6 ABC MILLWORK 27 MILLTRONICS 17
MONDAY - JULY 31, 1995
SSDI 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #5 ROSE WRECKING CREW 24 MSI MANIACS 3
6:10p LAKE #6 ABC MILLWORK 12 WEB SOX 22
7:20p LAKE #6 MILLTRONICS 11 DATASERV PR 12
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CORPORATE D LEAGUE
1995 CORPORATE "D" SCHEDULE
MONDAY - APRIL 24, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
SCORE
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ROSE WRECKING CREW
ABC MILLWORK
MILLTRONICS
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WOMEN'S D LEAGUE
1995 WOMEN'S "D" SCHEDULE
TUESDAY - APRIL 25, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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1 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 12 1 0 .923
2 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 11 2 0 .846
3 FRANKIE'S 7 5 0 .583
4 PAULY'S 7 6 0 .538
5 SWINGS 3 9 1 .269
6 RIVIERA 3 10 0 .231
7 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 1 11 1 .115
TEAM VB. TEAM SCORES
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TUESDAY - APRIL 25, 1995
FRANKIE'S 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 PAULY'S 13 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 3
6:10p LAKE #5 RIVIERA 20 SWINGS 13
7:20p LAKE #4 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 6 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 7 .
TUESDAY - MAY 2, 1995
DAIRY QUEEN - EP 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 FRANKIE'S 0 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 13
6:10p LAKE #5 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 22 RIVIERA 5
7:20p LAKE #4 PAULY'S 8 SWINGS 6
TUESDAY - MAY 9, 1995
TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 3 SWINGS 20
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S 1 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 7
7:20p LAKE #4 FRANKIE'S 13 RIVIERA 2
TUESDAY - MAY 16, 1995
SWINGS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 13 RIVIERA 4
6:10p LAKE #5 FRANKIE'S 22 PAULY'S 10
7:20p LAKE #4 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 0 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 10
TUESDAY - MAY 23, 1995
RIVIERA 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 SWINGS 1 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 15
6:10p LAKE #5 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 2 FRANKIE'S 36
7:20p LAKE #4 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 21 PAULY'S 6
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6:10p
6:10p
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LAKE #5
LAKE #4
TUESDAY - JUNE 6,
6:10p
6:10p
7:20p
LAKE #4
LAKE #5
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League Name:
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Start Date:
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WOMEN'S D LEAGUE
1995 WOMEN'S "D" SCHEDULE
TUESDAY - APRIL 25, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
AWAY
1995
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
RIVIERA
TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING
SWINGS
1995
PAULY'S
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
SWINGS
RIVIERA
1995
FRANKIE'S
DAIRY QUEEN - EP
SWINGS
TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING
TUESDAY - JUNE 13,
6:10p
6:10p
7:20p
LAKE #4
LAKE #5
LAKE #4
1995
DAIRY QUEEN - EP
TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING
RIVIERA
SWINGS
TUESDAY - JUNE 20,
6:10p
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6:10p
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LAKE #5
LAKE #4
- JUNE 27,
LAKE #4
LAKE #5
LAKE #4
1995
TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING
SWINGS
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
RIVIERA
1995
SWINGS
RIVIERA
PAULY'S
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
TUESDAY - JULY 11,
6:10p
6:10p
7:20p
LAKE #4
LAKE #5
LAKE #4
1995
RIVIERA
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
FRANKIE'S
PAULY'S
TUESDAY - JULY 18,
6:10p
6:10p
7:20p
LAKE #4
LAKE #5
LAKE #4
1995
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
PAULY'S
DAIRY QUEEN - EP
FRANKIE'S
TUESDAY - JULY 25,
6:10p
6:10p
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LAKE #5
LAKE #4
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PAULY'S
DAIRY QUEEN - EP
FRANKIE'S
Bye
FRANKIE'S
TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING
DAIRY QUEEN - EP
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RIVIERA
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
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FRANKIE'S
MERLIN'S ACE HARD
PAULY'S
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PAULY'S
FRANKIE'S
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FRANKIE'S
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WOMEN'S D LEAGUE
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TUESDAY - APRIL 25, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
TIME
SCORE
SITE
AWAY
SCORE
HOME
TUESDAY - AUGUST 1, 1995
PAULY'S 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 FRANKIE'S 10 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 14
6:10p LAKE #5 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 21 SWINGS 8
7:20p LAKE #4 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 4 RIVIERA 16
TUESDAY - AUGUST 8, 1995
FRANKIE'S 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #4 PAULY'S 23 DAIRY QUEEN - EP 3
6:10p LAKE #5 RIVIERA 11 SWINGS 13
7:20p LAKE #4 MERLIN'S ACE HARD 4 TOLLE'S LANDSCAPING 18
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MEN'S OVER 35 "B" LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OVER 35 SCHEDULE
WEDNESDAY - MAY 3, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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1 PAULY'S 13 1 0 .929
2 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 12 1 1 .893
3 MGM 11 3 0 .786
4 B & D BOMBERS 10 3 1 .750
5 ROSEMOUNT 7 6 1 .536
Tie 5 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 6 5 3 .536
6 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 6 8 0 .429
7 BROWN'S AMOCO 5 9 0 .357
8 RIVIERA 4 10 0 .286
9 MERIT HVAC 2 11 1 .179
Tie 9 THE PRESS 2 11 1 .179
10 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 2 12 0 .143
TEAM vs. TEAM SCORES
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~ESDAY - MAY 3, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 19 PAULY'S 22
6:10p LAKE #5 MGM 14 THE PRESS 3
6:10p LAKE #6 ROSEMOUNT 25 BROWN'S AMOCO 23
7:20p LAKE #5 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 16 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 12
7:20p LAKE #4 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 12 MERIT HVAC 6
7:20p LAKE #6 B & D BOMBERS 13 RIVIERA 6
WEDNESDAY - MAY 10, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 MGM 15 BROWN'S AMOCO 7
6:10p LAKE #5 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 6 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 8
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 18 RIVIERA 7
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT 20 B & D BOMBERS 14
7:20p LAKE #4 PAULY'S 14 THE PRESS 7
7:20p LAKE #6 MERIT HVAC 8 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 18
WEDNESDAY - MAY 17, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 MERIT HVAC 3 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 14
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S 23 BROWN'S AMOCO 6
6:10p LAKE #6 MGM 30 B & D BOMBERS 12
7:20p LAKE #5 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 17 RIVIERA 18
7:20p LAKE #4 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 18 THE PRESS 17
7:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 17 ROSEMOUNT 12
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League Name: MEN'S OVER 35 "B" LEAGUE
Schedule Name: 1995 MEN'S OVER 35 SCHEDULE
Start Date: WEDNESDAY - MAY 3, 1995
Current Date: MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE .
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WEDNESDAY - MAY 24, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 8 ROSEMOUNT 9
6:10p LAKE #5 MERIT HVAC 9 RIVIERA 14
6:10p LAKE #6 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 21 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 23
7:20p LAKE #5 PAULY'S 11 B & D BOMBERS 12
7:20p LAKE #4 THE PRESS 17 BROWN'S AMOCO 19
7:20p LAKE #6 MGM 3 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 16
WEDNESDAY - MAY 31, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 THE PRESS 15 B & D BOMBERS 18
6:10p LAKE #5 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 17 BROWN'S AMOCO 5
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S 14 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 5
7:20p LAKE #5 MERIT HVAC 5 ROSEMOUNT 15
7:20p LAKE #4 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 13 RIVIERA 21
7:20p LAKE #6 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 3 MGM 7
WEDNESDAY - JUNE 7, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 THE PRESS 9 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 12
6:10p LAKE #5 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 0 ROSEMOUNT 8
6:10p LAKE #6 MERIT HVAC 2 MGM 22
7:20p LAKE #5 RIVIERA 5 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 20
7:20p LAKE #4 BROWN'S AMOCO 7 B & D BOMBERS 8
7:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S 20 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 3 .
WEDNESDAY - JUNE 14, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 14 B & D BOMBERS 16
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 16 BROWN'S AMOCO 6
6:10p LAKE #6 THE PRESS 1 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 20
7:20p LAKE #5 MGM 14 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 1
7:20p LAKE #4 RIVIERA 2 ROSEMOUNT 13
7:20p LAKE #6 MERIT HVAC 0 PAULY'S 8
WEDNESDAY - JUNE 21, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 9 PAULY'S 19
6:10p LAKE #5 RIVIERA 5 MGM 15
6:10p LAKE #6 ROSEMOUNT 10 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 10
7:20p LAKE #5 BROWN'S AMOCO 14 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 12
7:20p LAKE #4 B & D BOMBERS 3 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 26
7:20p LAKE #6 THE PRESS 4 MERIT HVAC 14
WEDNESDAY - JUNE 28, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 ROSEMOUNT 6 MGM 16
6:10p LAKE #5 B & D BOMBERS 16 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 5
6:10p LAKE #6 BROWN'S AMOCO 26 MERIT HVAC 16
7:20p LAKE #5 PAULY'S 21 RIVIERA 8
7:20p LAKE #4 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 16 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 16
7:20p LAKE #6 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 10 THE PRESS 19
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MEN'S OVER 35 "B" LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OVER 35 SCHEDULE
WEDNESDAY - MAY 3, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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WEDNESDAY - JULY 12, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 B & D BOMBERS 0 MERIT HVAC 0
6:10p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT 5 PAULY'S 6
6:10p LAKE #6 RIVIERA 20 THE PRESS 7
7:20p LAKE #5 MGM 13 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 6
7:20p LAKE #4 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 21 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 4
7:20p LAKE #6 BROWN'S AMOCO 24 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 10
WEDNESDAY - JULY 19, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 16 MERIT HVAC 6
6:10p LAKE #5 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 12 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 20
6:10p LAKE #6 B & D BOMBERS 21 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 11
7:20p LAKE #5 ROSEMOUNT 0 THE PRESS 8
7:20p LAKE #4 MGM 10 PAULY'S 11
7:20p LAKE #6 RIVIERA 5 BROWN'S AMOCO 18
WEDNESDAY - JULY 26, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 RIVIERA 1 B & D BOMBERS 11
6:10p LAKE #5 THE PRESS 0 MGM 7
6:10p LAKE #6 BROWN'S AMOCO 11 ROSEMOUNT 18
7:20p LAKE #5 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 0 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 7
7:20p LAKE #4 MERIT HVAC 7 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 13
eOp LAKE #6 PAULY'S 18 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 4
WEDNESDAY - AUGUST 2, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 THE PRESS 0 PAULY'S 7
6:10p LAKE #5 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 2 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 13
6:10p LAKE #6 RIVIERA 9 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 15
7:20p LAKE #5 BROWN'S AMOCO 10 MGM 11
7:20p LAKE #4 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 22 MERIT HVAC 7
7:20p LAKE #6 B & D BOMBERS 12 ROSEMOUNT 10
WEDNESDAY - AUGUST 9, 1995
6:10p LAKE #4 B & D BOMBERS 16 MGM 14
6:10p LAKE #5 BROWN'S AMOCO 9 PAULY'S 15
6:10p LAKE #6 THE PRESS 8 CHAN LEG DECREPIDS 8
7:20p LAKE #5 RIVIERA 9 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 15
7:20p LAKE #4 LENZEN CHEV/BUICK 5 MERIT HVAC 16
7:20p LAKE #6 ROSEMOUNT 11 PAULY'S RESTAURANT 24
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Schedule Name:
Start Date:
Current Date:
MEN'S OPEN C LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OPEN "C" SCHEDULE
THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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TEAM NAME
WINS LOSSES TIES
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1 MERLIN'S RC 15 0 0 1. 000
2 GOLF HOUSE 9 6 0 .600
3 PAULY'S II 7 8 0 .467
Tie 3 SCHMITTY'S 7 8 0 .467
4 SOMEPLACE ELSE 5 10 0 .333
5 PAULY'S I 2 13 0 .133
TEAM V5. TEAM SCORES
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THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 SCHMITTY'S 20 SOMEPLACE ELSE 18
6:10p LAKE #6 MERLIN'S RC 12 GOLF HOUSE 11
7:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S II 33 PAULY'S I 6
THURSDAY - MAY 4, 1995 .
6:10p LAKE #5 MERLIN'S RC 24 PAULY'S II 4
6:10p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 25 PAULY'S I 8
7:20p LAKE #6 SCHMITTY'S 22 GOLF HOUSE 24
THURSDAY - MAY 11, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 GOLF HOUSE 19 PAULY'S II 11
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S I 22 SCHMITTY'S 24
7:20p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 8 MERLIN'S RC 18
THURSDAY - MAY 18, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 SCHMITTY'S 9 PAULY'S II 13
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S I 7 MERLIN'S RC 29
7:20p LAKE #6 GOLF HOUSE 14 SOMEPLACE ELSE 24
THURSDAY - MAY 25, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S II 27 SOMEPLACE ELSE 14
6:10p LAKE #6 MERLIN'S RC 17 SCHMITTY'S 13
7:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S I 10 GOLF HOUSE 12
THURSDAY - JUNE 1, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S I 0 PAULY'S II 17
6:10p LAKE #6 GOLF HOUSE 14 MERLIN'S RC 16
7:20p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 4 SCHMITTY'S 18
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Schedule Name:
Start Date:
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MEN'S OPEN C LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OPEN "C" SCHEDULE
THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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TIME
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HOME
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THURSDAY - JUNE 8, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 GOLF HOUSE 16 SCHMITTY'S 3
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S I 17 SOMEPLACE ELSE 9
7:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S II 4 MERLIN'S RC 14
THURSDAY - JUNE 15, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 MERLIN'S RC 14 SOMEPLACE ELSE 6
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S II 9 GOLF HOUSE 19
7:20p LAKE #6 SCHMITTY'S 20 PAULY'S I 1
THURSDAY - JUNE 22, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 MERLIN'S RC 23 PAULY'S I 3
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S II 6 SCHMITTY'S 8
7:20p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 15 GOLF HOUSE 14
THURSDAY - JUNE 29, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 SCHMITTY'S 10 MERLIN'S RC 27
6:10p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 8 PAULY'S II 23
7:20p LAKE #6 GOLF HOUSE 4 PAULY'S I 9
THURSDAY - JULY 13, 1995
lOP LAKE #5 MERLIN'S RC 8 GOLF HOUSE 0
Op LAKE #6 SCHMITTY'S 20 SOMEPLACE ELSE 14
:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S II 10 PAULY'S I 5
THURSDAY - JULY 20, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 MERLIN'S RC 14 PAULY'S II 8
6:10p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 19 PAULY'S I 15
7:20p LAKE #6 SCHMITTY'S 16 GOLF HOUSE 23
THURSDAY - JULY 27, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S I 7 SCHMITTY'S 17
6:10p LAKE #6 GOLF HOUSE 14 PAULY'S II 3
7:20p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 10 MERLIN'S RC 20
THURSDAY - AUGUST 3, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 GOLF HOUSE 27 SOMEPLACE ELSE 20
6:10p LAKE #6 PAULY'S I 6 MERLIN'S RC 16
7:20p LAKE #6 SCHMITTY'S 5 PAULY'S II 13
THURSDAY - AUGUST 10, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 PAULY'S II 13 SOMEPLACE ELSE 21
6:10p LAKE #6 MERLIN'S RC 16 SCHMITTY'S 5
7:20p LAKE #6 PAULY'S I 9 GOLF HOUSE 21
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Schedule Name:
Start Date:
Current Date:
MEN'S OPEN D LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OPEN "D" SCHEDULE
THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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STANDING
TEAM NAME
WINS LOSSES TIES
WIN PCT.
1 NORDICTRACK 10 4 1 .700
2 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 10 5 0 .667
Tie 2 FRANKIES 10 5 0 .667
3 GROLSCH 9 6 0 .600
4 CHANHASSEN LEGION 8 7 0 .533
5 THE BACKSTRETCH 6 8 1 .433
6 LEISURE DESIGN 6 9 0 .400
7 DEWALT 5 10 0 .333
Tie 7 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 5 10 0 .333
Tie 7 FILLYS 5 10 0 .333
TEAM vs. TEAM SCORES
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TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE
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THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 GROLSCH 19 FRANKIES 21 .
6:10p LAKE #4 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 15 FILLYS 3
7:20p LAKE #3 NORDICTRACK 21 THE BACKSTRETCH 6
7:20p LAKE #4 DEWALT 13 LEISURE DESIGN 6
7:20p LAKE #5 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 11 CHANHASSEN LEGION 12
THURSDAY - MAY 4, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 8 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 20
6:10p LAKE #4 DEWALT 14 FILLYS 8
7:20p LAKE #3 THE BACKSTRETCH 9 FRANKIES 23
7:20p LAKE #4 GROLSCH 12 CHANHASSEN LEGION 13
7:20p LAKE #5 LEISURE DESIGN 16 NORDICTRACK 18
THURSDAY - MAY 11, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 NORDICTRACK 13 FRANKIES 14
6:10p LAKE #4 THE BACKSTRETCH 19 CHANHASSEN LEGION 20
7:20p LAKE #3 DEWALT 3 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 18
7:20p LAKE #4 LEISURE DESIGN 14 FILLYS 15
7:20p LAKE #5 GROLSCH 19 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 10
THURSDAY - MAY 18, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 DEWALT 4 GROLSCH 19
6:10p LAKE #4 THE BACKSTRETCH 7 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 15
7:20p LAKE #3 FRANKIES 29 CHANHASSEN LEGION 15
7:20p LAKE #4 FILLYS 13 NORDICTRACK 17
7:20p LAKE #5 LEISURE DESIGN 9 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 25
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Schedule Name:
Start Date:
Current Date:
MEN'S OPEN D LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OPEN "D" SCHEDULE
THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
.E
SITE
AWAY
SCORE
HOME
SCORE
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THURSDAY - MAY 25, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 NORDICTRACK 17 CHANHASSEN LEGION 11
6:10p LAKE #4 FRANKIES 9 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 3
7:20p LAKE #3 FILLYS 15 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 17
7:20p LAKE #4 LEISURE DESIGN 3 GROLSCH 9
7:20p LAKE #5 THE BACKSTRETCH 25 DEWALT 13
THURSDAY - JUNE 1, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 CHANHASSEN LEGION 17 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 5
6:10p LAKE #4 FRANKIES 4 DEWALT 10
7:20p LAKE #3 FILLYS 6 GROLSCH 16
7:20p LAKE #4 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 6 NORDICTRACK 11
7:20p LAKE #5 LEISURE DESIGN 11 THE BACKSTRETCH 20
THURSDAY - JUNE 8, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 14 GROLSCH 6
6:10p LAKE #4 DEWALT 6 CHANHASSEN LEGION 16
7:20p LAKE #3 NORDICTRACK 4 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 6
7:20p LAKE #4 FILLYS 16 THE BACKSTRETCH 14
7:20p LAKE #5 FRANKIES 5 LEISURE DESIGN 7
THURSDAY - JUNE 15, 1995
.Op LAKE #3 THE BACKSTRETCH 11 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 9
. Op LAKE #4 GROLSCH 15 NORDICTRACK 12
7:20p LAKE #3 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 12 DEWALT 20
7:20p LAKE #4 CHANHASSEN LEGION 11 LEISURE DESIGN 14
7:20p LAKE #5 FILLYS 14 FRANKIES 16
THURSDAY - JUNE 22, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 GROLSCH 23 THE BACKSTRETCH 18
6:10p LAKE #4 NORDICTRACK 8 DEWALT 0
7:20p LAKE #3 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 10 LEISURE DESIGN 15
7:20p LAKE #4 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 16 FRANKIES 17
7:20p LAKE #5 CHANHASSEN LEGION 14 FILLYS 7
THURSDAY - JUNE 29, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 FRANKIES 13 GROLSCH 14
6:10p LAKE #4 THE BACKSTRETCH 13 NORDICTRACK 13
7:20p LAKE #3 LEISURE DESIGN 13 DEWALT 12
7:20p LAKE #4 FILLYS 22 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 5
7:20p LAKE #5 CHANHASSEN LEGION 8 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 9
THURSDAY - JULY 13, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 FRANKIES 17 THE BACKSTRETCH 23
6:10p LAKE #4 FILLYS 17 DEWALT 3
7:20p LAKE #3 NORDICTRACK 10 LEISURE DESIGN 9
7:20p LAKE #4 CHANHASSEN LEGION 9 GROLSCH 19
.Op LAKE #5 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 22 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 9
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MEN'S OPEN D LEAGUE
1995 MEN'S OPEN "D" SCHEDULE
THURSDAY - APRIL 27, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
TIME
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SCORE
HOME
SCORE
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THURSDAY - JULY 20, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 FILLYS 19 LEISURE DESIGN 11
6:10p LAKE #4 CHANHASSEN LEGION 12 THE BACKSTRETCH 6
7:20p LAKE #3 FRANKIES 23 NORDICTRACK 21
7:20p LAKE #4 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 22 DEWALT 5
7:20p LAKE #5 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 10 GROLSCH 8
THURSDAY - JULY 27, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 CHANHASSEN LEGION 12 FRANKIES 9
6:10p LAKE #4 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 17 LEISURE DESIGN 2
7:20p LAKE #3 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 14 THE BACKSTRETCH 15
7:20p LAKE #4 NORDICTRACK 11 FILLYS 8
7:20p LAKE #5 GROLSCH 10 DEWALT 17
THURSDAY - AUGUST 3, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 1 FRANKIES 11
6:10p LAKE #4 CHANHASSEN LEGION 1 NORDICTRACK 14
7:20p LAKE #3 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 11 FILLYS 6
7:20p LAKE #4 GROLSCH 17 LEISURE DESIGN 27
7:20p LAKE #5 DEWALT 13 THE BACKSTRETCH 20
THURSDAY - AUGUST 10, 1995
6:10p LAKE #3 NORDICTRACK 17 SPECIALTY TOOL & ENG 15 .
6:10p LAKE #4 CHAN FIRE DEPARTMENT 18 CHANHASSEN LEGION 15
7:20p LAKE #3 GROLSCH 22 FILLYS 13
7:20p LAKE #4 DEWALT 1 FRANKIES 17
7:20p LAKE #5 THE BACKSTRETCH 16 LEISURE DESIGN 21
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Schedule Name:
Start Date:
Current Date:
MIXED CO-REC C LEAGUE
1995 CO-REC "C" SCHEDULE
FRIDAY - APRIL 28, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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LEAGUE STANDINGS
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STANDING
TEAM NAME
WINS LOSSES TIES
WIN PCT.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 11 2 0 .846
Tie 1 SOMEPLACE ELSE 11 2 0 .846
2 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 8 5 0 .615
Tie 2 C.H. CARPENTER 8 5 0 .615
3 MT. CALVARY 6 7 0 .462
4 SIGN SOURCE 4 9 0 .308
5 MICROVISION 3 10 0 .231
6 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 1 12 0 .076
TEAM vs. TEAM SCORES
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TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FRIDAY - APRIL 28, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 C.H. CARPENTER 18 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 2
6:10p LAKE #6 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 15 SOMEPLACE ELSE 4
.Op LAKE #5 MT. CALVARY 5 MICROVISION 6
Op LAKE #6 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 30 SIGN SOURCE 3
FRIDAY - MAY 5, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 3 MT. CALVARY 35
6:10p LAKE #6 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 18 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 15
7:20p LAKE #5 MICROVISION 17 SIGN SOURCE 24
7:20p LAKE #6 C.H. CARPENTER 7 SOMEPLACE ELSE 15
FRIDAY - MAY 12, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 4 SOMEPLACE ELSE 14
6:10p LAKE #6 MT. CALVARY 15 SIGN SOURCE 5
7:20p LAKE #5 MICROVISION 5 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 20
7:20p LAKE #6 C.H. CARPENTER 6 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 7
FRIDAY - MAY 19, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 10 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 20
6:10p LAKE #6 MICROVISION 7 C.H. CARPENTER 23
7:20p LAKE #5 SOMEPLACE ELSE 15 MT. CALVARY 4
7:20p LAKE #6 SIGN SOURCE 13 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 23
FRIDAY - JUNE 2, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 SOMEPLACE ELSE 13 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 9
6:10p LAKE #6 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 14 MICROVISION 10
7:20p LAKE #5 MT. CALVARY 23 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 5
WOp LAKE #6 SIGN SOURCE 4 C.H. CARPENTER 22
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Start Date: FRIDAY - APRIL 28, 1995
Current Date: MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE .
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FRIDAY - JUNE 9, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 10 C.H. CARPENTER 7
6:10p LAKE #6 SIGN SOURCE 14 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 2
7:20p LAKE #5 SOMEPLACE ELSE 23 MICROVISION 0
7:20p LAKE #6 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 9 MT. CALVARY 8
FRIDAY - JUNE 16, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 31 MICROVISION 9
6:10p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 22 SIGN SOURCE 1
7:20p LAKE #5 MT. CALVARY 5 C.H. CARPENTER 15
7:20p LAKE #6 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 22 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 2
FRIDAY - JUNE 23, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 MICROVISION 8 MT. CALVARY 9
6:10p LAKE #6 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 0 C.H. CARPENTER 15
7:20p LAKE #5 SOMEPLACE ELSE 19 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 11
7:20p LAKE #6 SIGN SOURCE 3 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 14
FRIDAY - JULY 14, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 SIGN SOURCE 0 MICROVISION 8
6:10p LAKE #6 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 3 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 5
7:20p LAKE #5 MT. CALVARY 17 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 1
7:20p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 19 C.H. CARPENTER 20 .
FRIDAY - JUL Y 21, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 11 C.H. CARPENTER 8
6:10p LAKE #6 SIGN SOURCE 5 MT. CALVARY 15
7:20p LAKE #5 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 20 MICROVISION 1
7:20p LAKE #6 SOMEPLACE ELSE 21 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 2
FRIDAY - JULY 28, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 0 SIGN SOURCE 8
6:10p LAKE #6 MT. CALVARY 4 SOMEPLACE ELSE 17
7:20p LAKE #5 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 28 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 6
7:20p LAKE #6 C.H. CARPENTER 32 MICROVISION 9
FRIDAY - AUGUST 4, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 5 SOMEPLACE ELSE 13
6:10p LAKE #6 MICROVISION 11 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 3
7:20p LAKE #5 C.H. CARPENTER 20 SIGN SOURCE 2
7:20p LAKE #6 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 16 MT. CALVARY 4
FRIDAY - AUGUST 11, 1995
6:10p LAKE #5 C.H. CARPENTER 10 OUTHOUSE GRAPHICS 16
6:10p LAKE #6 MICROVISION 0 SOMEPLACE ELSE 20
7:20p LAKE #5 MT. CALVARY 5 BUCK'S EXCAVATING 16
7:20p LAKE #6 INSTANT WEB COMPANY 12 SIGN SOURCE 14
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Schedule Name:
Start Date:
Current Date:
MIXED CO-REC D LEAGUE
1995 CO-REC "D" SCHEDULE
FRIDAY - APRIL 28, 1995
MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
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LEAGUE STANDINGS
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STANDING TEAM NAME WINS LOSSES TIES WIN PCT.
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1 LCLC 10 1 0 .909
2 MAXA'S 9 1 1 .864
3 ST. HUBERTS 7 4 0 .636
4 PMT BREWERS 4 7 1 .375
5 LAKERS 4 7 0 .364
6 EMPAK 2 9 0 .182
Tie 6 SSDI 2 9 0 .182
TEAM VB. TEAM SCORES
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TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE
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FRIDAY - APRIL 28, 1995
ST. HUBERTS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 PMT BREWERS 4 MAXA'S 5
iOP LAKE #4 SSDI 5 EMPAK 6
Op LAKE #4 LCLC 19 LAKERS 11
FRIDAY - MAY 5, 1995
MAXA'S 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 ST. HUBERTS 18 EMPAK 0
6:10p LAKE #4 PMT BREWERS 8 LAKERS 13
7:20p LAKE #4 SSDI 5 LCLC 17
FRIDAY - MAY 12, 1995
EMPAK 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 MAXA'S 21 LAKERS 10
6:10p LAKE #4 ST. HUBERTS 9 LCLC 19
7:20p LAKE #4 PMT BREWERS 4 SSDI 13
FRIDAY - MAY 19, 1995
LAKERS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 EMPAK 10 LCLC 17
6:10p LAKE #4 MAXA'S 16 SSDI 12
7:20p LAKE #4 ST. HUBERTS 8 PMT BREWERS 9
FRIDAY - JUNE 2, 1995
LCLC 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 LAKERS 8 SSDI 0
6:10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 7 PMT BREWERS 16
7:20p LAKE #4 MAXA'S 9 ST. HUBERTS 7
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Schedule Name: 1995 CO-REC "D" SCHEDULE
Start Date: FRIDAY - APRIL 28, 1995 .
Current Date: MONDAY - AUGUST 14, 1995
TIME SITE AWAY SCORE HOME SCORE .
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FRIDAY - JUNE 9, 1995
SSDI 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 LCLC 11 PMT BREWERS 1
6:10p LAKE #4 LAKERS 0 ST. HUBERTS 8
7:20p LAKE #4 EMPAK 3 MAXA'S 23
FRIDAY - JUNE 16, 1995
PMT BREWERS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 SSDI 9 ST. HUBERTS 10
6:10p LAKE #4 LCLC 10 MAXA'S 12
7:20p LAKE #4 LAKERS 11 EMPAK 18
FRIDAY - JUNE 23, 1995
ST. HUBERTS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 MAXA'S 18 PMT BREWERS 18
6:10p LAKE #4 EMPAK 4 SSDI 9
7:20p LAKE #4 LAKERS 14 LCLC 24
FRIDAY - JULY 14, 1995
MAXA'S 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 EMPAK 8 ST. HUBERTS 11
6:10p LAKE #4 LAKERS 8 PMT BREWERS 0
7:20p LAKE #4 LCLC 8 SSDI 0 .
FRIDAY - JULY 21, 1995
EMPAK 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 LAKERS 5 MAXA'S 17
6:10p LAKE #4 LCLC 30 ST. HUBERTS 7
7:20p LAKE #4 SSDI 7 PMT BREWERS 13
FRIDAY - JULY 28, 1995
LAKERS 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 LCLC 22 EMPAK 2
6:10p LAKE #4 SSDI 9 MAXA'S 31
7:20p LAKE #4 PMT BREWERS 13 ST. HUBERTS 14
FRIDAY - AUGUST 4, 1995
LCLC 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 SSDI 0 LAKERS 8
6:10p LAKE #4 PMT BREWERS 19 EMPAK 8
7:20p LAKE #4 ST. HUBERTS 12 MAXA'S 4
FRIDAY - AUGUST 11, 1995
SSDI 0 Bye 0
6:10p LAKE #3 PMT BREWERS 6 LCLC 16
6:10p LAKE #4 ST. HUBERTS 13 LAKERS 7
7:20p LAKE #4 MAXA'S 19 EMPAK 6
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
PROGRAM EVALUATION
In order to better serve our participants in our recreation programs, we ask that you take
a few minutes to answer the following questions, and give us your suggestions. Thank
you!
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and instructors willing to teach. If you have a special talent, or would be willing to teach
a future class, please give us your idea with your name, address, and phone number
below. Again, thank you for your input.
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
PROGRAM EVALUATION
In order to better serve our participants in our recreation programs, we ask that you take
a few minutes to answer the following questions, and give us your suggestions. Thank
you!
Program Title: 8L-uY\fY\e( &n So.]-dh","-\ SessionfTime: 10', 30
Date: ~'J - qs Participant is a: Q Teen Adult
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Additional comments:
The Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department is always looking for program ideas,
and instructors willing to teach. If you ~ave a special talent, or would be willing to teach
a future class, please give us your idea with your name, address, and phone number
below. Again, thank you for your input.
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
PROGRAM EVALUATION
In order to better serve our participants in our recreation programs, we ask that you take
a few minutes to answer the following questions, and give us your suggestions. Thank
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
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CHANHASSEN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
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690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
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690 COULTER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
PHONE: 937-1900
PROGRAM EVALUATION
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND
RECREA TION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 22, 1995
Vice Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Ron Roeser, Fred Berg, Jim Manders, and Jane Meger,
Jim Andrews
MEMBERS ABSENT: None.
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer,
Recreation Supervisor; Dawn Beitel, Recreation Supervisor; and Erik Donnely, Intern
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS:
SCOTT MOLENCAMP. CHANHASSEN A mLETIC ASSOCIATION. 1996 BALLFIELD
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Scott Molencamp: My name is Scott Molencamp. I've been a resident of Chanhassen for
about 8 years. I'm here representing the CAA this evening. I've been involved in CAA for
about 6 years, all the way from coaching T -ball to this last year being the President Elect,
Baseball Coordinator and next year I'll be the President of the CAA starting in September.
What I come tonight to address, or we came to discuss is the availability of the fields for the
summer baseball/softball/t-ball program. The numbers have been increasing every year. This
year they increased almost 100 kids from the t-ball on up to the 14 year old girls softball.
The cut off at the CAA schedule. We're at about 850 kids this year versus a little over 750
last year and most of that is in the really little kids. The t-ballers or the rag baIlers. They're
well over 100 per age group and each year, what's happening is those kids are moving up and
they older groups are getting larger of course. The number of teams and each year...in order
to play twice a week, each team needs a field. The younger kids double up. They get two
games a night. They play an hour so it's not quite a field per team with the younger groups.
What we're asking for is to use more of the neighborhood parks. We utilize the parks that
have been available to us almost fully. This year we used Saturdays for the t-ball and the rag
ball program. For the 5 and 6 year olds and then the 7 year olds, it's the rag ball program.
We need Saturdays because they were the ones putting the most burden on the fields because
those are the largest numbers. We tried it and it frankly...a lot of no shows so...didn't go over
too well this year. If it drops...won't have to do it again next year. Just do the numbers, even
if we do get some more fields, we still may have to use Saturdays because we know there are
so many fields available and the number of teams are still going to continue to grow. So
what we're asking for is to again use the fields that we have used, which are all the fields at
Chanhassen Elementary. The three up there. Carver Beach. We utilized Rice Marsh a little
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bit but not a lot. We've been kind of getting permission to use that because it's grandfathered
in or whatever the reasoning is but it's, we can add more nights to that. We use it just one
night a week this year and Saturdays for the t-ball program. Meadow Green 1 and 2 has been
used up every night of the week, and also the soccer's been out there and actually Meadow
Green is over used in our opinions. We would like to see, can we have a field, some support
from the soccer program to move the soccer out of there and use the middle area as strictly
the girls softball fields because they're they ones that utilize those fields right now. That
would mean finding another site for soccer, and we've discussed some of the possibilities and
some of the possibilities would be using one of the baseball/softball fields at one of the
neighborhood parks, make you know Chanhassen Hills or Sunset Ridge, which is a huge area.
Open the outfields. It's real big, in our opinion, that's big enough for a soccer field and not
ask, you know the CAA would not only be asking for use of the baseball fields but possibly
moving soccer from Meadow Green to one of those fields. That's going to take some
research to find out how the fields would fit in there...possibly use the fields. Right now at
Meadow Green you have, with the age groups that are there, you have two soccer games a
night and at least two softball or baseball games and the younger kids, like I say play for an
hour and then another two teams come in and play so in any given night there could be 10
teams using Meadow Green that's quite a bit. I mean the parking, I'm sure you've heard, the
street parking is a parking lot and packed. I was informed that there was an emergency
vehicle that couldn't make it through the road there because of all the parking. So...it's our
own opinion that soccer be moved out of there, if we can find another place for soccer. And
continue to use Meadow Green for the girls softball program. And then we're using a couple
fields at Lake Ann. Lake Ann #1 is used for the older boys and Lake Ann #2 has pretty well
been set aside for the 10-11 baseball program. And then Lake Ann #3 we share with the
adult softball because...being scheduled. What we would like to do, is we looked at some of
the parks. The Chanhassen Hills Park has a very nice baseball field. Really nice baseball
field. Or softball field or a soccer field, if that's... We understand parking's a problem. What
we're asking for is three fields. Three new fields. It'd be Chanhassen Hills, Sunset Ridge and
then possibly Curry Farms Park twice a week. Two nights a week. We're talking most of the
teams are done within 10 weeks so we're asking for the usage of those fields two nights a
week for roughly 10 weeks and that would take a huge burden off of what we've been trying
to schedule and it's going to be even worst next year and with the fields at the new rec center
not being available next year, we're hoping that it's only one year situation that we have to
use the neighborhood parks. Then in '97, with the 5 fields open up there, we're hoping that
the CAA can utilize that as much as possible. I don't know if there's going to be other people
requesting those fields. So that's what we're asking for. And I guess the...the younger kids,
there's 120 to 130 per age group right now. They're going to move up so in the future we're
going to have to plan for the bigger fields. Hopefully it's going to be Bandimere because in a
couple years, the baseball program, the 10-11 baseball program is not going to fit on Lake
Ann #2. There's already 8 to 10 teams every year. We've had teams, because we're playing
Victoria and Carver, we're in a league...on up to 14 year olds are playing in a league with
Carver, and we have some home and away games so we've actually had to send two
Chanhassen teams to play in some of those cities because they have the field availability.
That's great that they let us use them. Not to sit empty but that's, we've got every field
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used...couple nights a week so that's to show you how much usage we're getting. I think we
can...Friday nights we're not utilizing the fields because most families won't agree to that.
Maybe we'll have to start doing that and let the people decide if the sports. The older kids do
use Friday nights but the younger kids, they have families and they really have a hard time
with agreeing to do Friday nights, and that would solve all the problems...
Andrews: Are there Chaska kids in your club?
Scott Molencamp: We allow anybody. This year there might have been 10-15 Chaska that
came in. I mean that's throughout the whole age group. There's been a couple Victoria kids
every year.
Andrews: Okay. Small percentages?
Scott Molencamp: Very small percentages. In the younger kids, I don't think there are any
but the older kids, I or 2 per league.
Berg: Worse case scenario, if we were to stay with our policy now regarding neighborhood
parks, what would happen next year?
Scott Molencarrip: The kids would either play less. You know they'd be down to one game.
We'd have to pick which league that would be. Obviously we wouldn't have to cut everybody
down to one night a week. Or we could eliminate an age group...t-ball or do we want 5 year
olds. That's the biggest burden right now is t-ball we had 236 kids this year. We had 5 and
6 year olds playing together. But there are a lot of people in Chanhassen that can't wait for
their kids to, some fathers will try to sign their kids up at 4...But those are the fields that we
use at City Center and those fields we seem to have...the little kids. We can double up. It's
the little older, you know the 8 to 9 to 10... We seem to be hurting for that size of field.
Andrews: How often do these kids practice?
Scott Molencamp: It's twice. I mean at the beginning of the year it's twice, two practices a
week and after 2 to 3 weeks of practice, it goes to 2 games a week.
Roeser: You don't practice after that?
Scott Molencamp: No. Well the older kids do. The coach has got their own practices on
weekends or you know, I guess it's only weekends. That's the only time there'd be a field
available. Some of the coaches have set up, I don't know whether you've heard about it or
not. Some of the neighborhood parks have been used, a coach would just say I live right near
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this park, let's go here and have a practice so there are people using the neighborhood parks,
such as Chanhassen Hills and Sunset. Not on a regular basis so I don't know if the city has
ever heard a complaint or not about that. Did you hear any this last year or two?
Hoffman: Yeah, we receive calls on that.
Lash: Complaint calls or what?
Hoffman: Chanhassen Hills we have one every once in a while...coach has taken it upon
themselves to utilize the facility.
Scott Molencamp: Is there a policy that it cannot be used for a particular use? Are the
coaches in the wrong for doing that for instance? I mean we just...
Hoffman: The Park and Recreation Commission holds the policies of not having organized
activities, scheduled activities in the neighborhood parks. Where you draw the line when the
coach takes it upon themselves, if you're going to tell the commission that you're advertising
to do that, they're going to say it's not in your current policy. If you're going to tell them that
they're just doing it on their own, there's not a lot you can do.
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Lash: Jerry I have a question for you. One night we were at Lake Ann for my son's game
and it was a make-up game so it wasn't a normal night that we would have been there but at
8:00 a couple of teams came in of bigger kids. I think one was Chaska and one was Waconia
or something, I'm not sure. But I was kind of wondering. And they were coming down on
us pretty hard to finish up and get off the field because they were scheduled at 8:00. We
thought we had the field until 8:30. But I was kind of wondering with all this scheduling,
you know I thought those appeared to be two outside teams coming to play there and I didn't
understand what was going on.
Ruegemer: Typically what happens is some, with the district baseball programs were going
on, it's kind of the joint, it's a district program so Chaska's been supplying fields. Carver has.
Chanhassen has as one league. That's been happening last summer. Or this summer. So
that's probably what you've seen out there was that league. Sometimes there's Chanhassen
teams playing at their locations as well so.
Lash: But there were kids from Chan on the team I'm assuming.
Ruegemer: Well there's, I don't know if specifically on that team.
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Lash: But in the league?
Ruegemer: Correct. Yeah, there's over a real big percentage of the kids are from Chanhassen
so.
Gene Gagner: District plays...
Scott Molencamp: It's the metro team and that's after 13. That's when we play the
Chanhassen boys, as of now. They go to Chaska or they can go to Carver or Victoria. At
age 14 they go to Chaska. It's a Chaska program but it's open to Chanhassen kids. That's
where the kids that play after the age of 13 go. There's talk of Chanhassen, you know
another group, not the CAA, getting another baseball program or a baseballlbasketball
program going for the older kids here so if you have the numbers now to put our own league
together so there's talk of that happening next year also.
Andrews: Was that soccer activity, was that games or practices that were up at Meadow
Green?
Scott Molencamp: Both. And then it's the same thing. With practices and then as the
season.. .
_ Andrews: _ Is that rec league or traveling league, -do you know?
Scott Molencamp: Well during the summer it's the Chanhassen/Chaska, or Chaskal
Chanhassen Soccer League which is the CAA. It's...the younger kids.
Gene Gagner: It starts when they're 8 with in-house and then once they get to 10, then it's a
traveling team.
Andrews: Sure, okay. I know that Chaska was sending teams up to play on Tonka fields
because of no fields so I guess I'd be concerned about taking away another field because I can
tell you right now Tonka's losing fields next summer. And they're going to be in the same
boat. Wondering where to play so you've got to kind of think about every team that you
move, who does that displace and then to the next place and I want to make sure everybody
has fair treatment and equaL..
Gene Gagner: We're asking for uses of fields that aren't being used in neighborhood parks.
Scott Molencamp: And I understand your policy on it, because of the parking. Frankly in
Chanhassen Hills and Lake Susan Hills, those neighborhoods, or Sunset Ridge, there's
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hundreds of kids in those neighborhoods playing CAA so if it came down to the numbers, I
think we'd have an awful lot of support.. Jew that would not be happy...
Roeser: Yeah the few that wouldn't be happy would be here.
Berg: Parking gets to be a major issue. It's filling the neighborhoods with cars 2 or 3 nights
a week is a real concern.
Scott Molencamp: You're talking probably 20 cars for 2 teams.
Lash: But Sunset Ridge has no parking right now and Curry Farms has about 6 spots and
what was the other one?
Scott Molencamp: Chan Hills. That has the same.
Lash: Yeah, no parking. And the problem that we've had in the past, like with Rice Marsh.
Once it gets started in there, it's almost impossible to get out. And as much as it'd be nice to
do this for just one year, you know say the program grows more, which it will. Say the
referendum doesn't pass. Hopefully that won't happen but if it does, then we're going to be
keeping this in the neighborhood parks and it's a problem. I mean the residents are upset and
generally when they come in and they ask about their park being developed, they ask things
like will there be organized activities in there? Will there be ballfield lights? Will there, and
we always say no. That's not our policy. We won't be scheduling that. So it's hard to go
back on that.
Scott Molencamp: I agree. Rice Marsh especially. It's probably the worst, and I'm probably
shooting myself in the foot here. I can't believe they let us use it. I mean that's, with the
cul-de-sac being there, that's, in my opinion that's a lot worse than what we have over at
Chanhassen Hills because Chanhassen Hills...parking lot and then at least you've got a couple
of straight streets to park on. And at Rice Marsh Lake, you've got a cul-de-sac. Once that
parking lot fills up, it is dangerous down there.
Andrews: I'm concerned about the precedent here again. I know, I'm a soccer fanatic and I
know you could line up 20 people to come down here in a day saying we want to play at
Lotus. We want to play on this field and that field and where do you draw the line? Who is
the team that gets the break and where do you draw the line and say no, your hardship isn't as
bad as our hardship. You don't qualify but they do. I'm very concerned. I also have a bias
that I'd like to see the referendum pass and one good way to make sure that happens is to
make sure there's a need and a perceived need by the citizens of the city. It's almost like we
need the crisis to force the action that we really need because scheduling this into the parks,
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into the neighborhood parks is just going to make a bigger headache. I mean I guarantee you
we'll have people here wanting to lynch us if we put these things in these neighborhood
parks.
Scott Molencamp: Well I understand that. I guess our concern is the number of kids that
will, for instance if we have to go to Saturdays.
Andrews: Every civic organization dealing with kids is going through this same crisis of
there's not enough fields, there's not enough people and there's not enough money and they're
all asking the question. What do we do? Do we invite everybody that wants to ever play
and we have to accommodate them or do we say we have capacity for x number of teams and
when those are filled, our program is closed for the season? I guess my feeling right now is
that the second option is a wiser one. First of all because most of these organizations are
struggling to manage their programs as it is. At least every organization I've ever seen is
struggling to handle the growth. But we're talking one year to get this the Chan Elementary
School fields and then we can do it the right way and I'm concerned, like Jan said. Once you
get them in there on those fields, you grow another 20% the next year, then you can't get out
of those fields and then we've got real trouble because we'd have to get out of there. You'd
just have to. But I don't know, we're not going to decide tonight I don't think.
. Scott Molencamp: No, we understand that. I guess I'm just.
Andrews: I mean this is a visitor item here, right?
Lash: Does it have to go, can we decide tonight or does it have to go onto a future agenda?
Hoffman: You can just simply uphold your policy.
Lash: I can tell you Scott we've been approached by Tonka United. The very same thing
just a few months ago. I mean it's everybody wants us to let them do that and we've had to
say no just because of what Jim said. If we said yes to Tonka United, then you would have
been second down the line and then you'd be going well how come they're getting the use and
we needed them too and then we end up with all these organizations getting pitted against
each other and we don't want to see that happen either.
Scott Molencamp: Yeah, I understand. I just hate to see those park's fields sitting there not
being used because they're not being used. The only time they're being used is like when the
coach gets...
Andrews: Well, we see that too.
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Scott Molencamp: I mean they're some of the nicest fields in Chanhassen.
Andrews: I don't argue with that. But you also need to, the citizen has to feel that they can
get in their car and go to a place and not be threatened by an organized activity. Running out
there in their uniforms and their bats and balls or soccer balls, whatever it might be, and
displacing them because that's what will happen. When you have 20 kids run out onto a
field, and you're there just throwing a frisbee, you feel like I'm not supposed to be here.
There's something here that's scheduled. I should be gone and you move.
Lash: And pretty soon there's no place for people to go.
Andrews: No place to go. I empathize. I know exactly where you're at but I'm concerned
about how do we handle the problem. I mean where do we stop. We don't have the space.
We can't create new space without money, and we don't have that either. So I feel like our,
the best service to the most people right now I think is to say, let's treat everybody the same
and treating everybody the same is saying we're going to uphold the policy. That's my
personal feeling.
Manders: I guess I'd volunteer the statement that my biggest concern would be parking
access. I mean the problem associated with parking. As far as the usage of the fields, I
follow where you're coming from. That those fields probably don't get used a lot and to the
extent that we need to use them, it forces other issues which I could probably deal with but
the parking is the problem and I'm having a problem trying to understand how to resolve.
Scott Molencamp: Well I understand. I guess I'm just here showing what we have...
Roeser: You know with Bluff Creek coming in a year and with the possibility of Bandimere
coming in in another year, I would deny that request. I think we have to, and I really hate to
do that. I mean I would make a motion to deny the request. Just because it's necessary.
Andrews: I think we can dispose of this now.
Meger: I guess I would feel a little more comfortable making a final decision after the
referendum vote because I guess I would lean a little bit more towards, if the referendum
passes and we see that Bandimere is going to be developed and that we're going to put this
other park in and we know that something would be there eventually for people to move into,
I would be maybe a little more willing to look at opening it up for a year.
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Roeser: But the argument still remains then if you open it up for a year for baseball, then all
of a sudden you're going to have soccer people in here. Open it up for a year for us and you
could really create a year of problems, I think.
Berg: It's extremely frustrating. I'm angry too because I feel like our hands are tied. We're
just really caught in the middle here. No one here denies your need. All you've got to do is
drive by any of these places at night to know, but we do have the integrity of the
neighborhood park that we've obviously trying to protect here too.
Scott Molencarrip: Well I understand. I guess I don't necessarily know what the objective
was when the parks were built. They were strictly neighborhood parks and not to be used for
night's activities?
Hoffman: It's interesting to note that the commission no longer constructs modified ballfields
with the...infield and backstop in neighborhood parks anymore. We simply leave it a grass
playfield...discussing this evening. Options for next year, it's our belief that Bluff Creek
Elementary, the fields for Chanhassen are going to come on line in the spring of 1997. The
irrigation, the change order was never pursued at that facility so we're at the mercy of the
weather. It still needs to be seeded within the next month and then if you get good growing
weather next year, it will probably mature and be playable by 1997. If we get terrible
weather, we'll be in a predicament of not having ballfields in the spring of 1997. If you look
at bringing on line the two Coulter fields...fields just across City Hall for the real little kids
and try to...
Andrews: That's not your need though.
Scott Molencamp: It will help. I mean anything, I mean t-ball next year, this year we had 17
t-ball teams. Next year we'll probably have 19 or 20 so I mean that will help.
Hoffman: We know that going into this fall and we can groom those up a little bit and try to
help them along but there's also, we pursued Rosemount and they're not interested in allowing
the public on the green space to the west of their building. And then I'd like to pursue Mr.
Wayne Bongaard at Empak in the large lot that they have to the east of their building. If we
could just...an agreement with them. Provide insurance over at Empak and see a split season
this fall, we could add that to the soccer practice next year....as well. Staff will look into
looking at other alternatives...
Andrews: I think the consensus here is to, at best, review this after the referendum because
then we know where we're going.
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Scott Molencamp: Thanks. I appreciate that and I guess I'd just like you to know that there's
a big need for it. The...and I'm sure you're aware of that. When you're talking about the
neighborhoods being.
Andrews: I think part of your job is bring us hard numbers of how many kids do you have.
How many kids are potentially going to get turned down and where are they from? Are they
Chanhassen kids? That's important to us. The second thing is to consider the possible impact
of that referendum and is that in your interest to help us with that or not.
Scott Molencamp: Oh yeah. I mean me and Jerry had that discussion this spring. Put
people on Saturdays and maybe they'll be forced to sign...
Andrews: Well, that's what it's all about. We have needs. We're at a crisis point. We don't
have the money.
Scott Molencamp: I understand. It's just unfortunate the kids...
Andrews: That's exactly right. It's the kids that are hurting and it could be my kid that
doesn't get a chance to play and I'll feel it.
Scott Molencamp: Well I don't think we'll do that. We won't limit the numbers on the team.
It would just be mQre nights or go Fridays and Saturdays...! appreciate...anything y'ou can
dO...Thank you for your time.
Andrews: We're still in visitor presentations here? Any others? Okay, let's move on. Were
the Minutes approved yet?
Lash: No.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Andrews: Any additions, corrections, or deletions to the July 27th Minutes? Hearing none, is
there a motion to approve the Minutes of July 27th?
Berg moved, Roeser seconded to approve the Minutes of the Pmk and Recreation
Commission meeting dated July 27, 1995 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion
callied.
Andrews: Any additions, corrections or deletions to the August 8th Minutes? Hearing none,
is there a motion to approve those Minutes as submitted?
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Manders moved, Berg seconded to approve the Minutes of the P31K and Recreation
Commission meeting dated August 8, 1995 as pl~sented. All voted in favor and the motion
callied.
CONCEPTUAL AND PRELIMINARY PUD REZONING THE PROPERTY FROM A2.
AGRICULTURAL ESTATE TO PUD. PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT: PRELIMINARY
PLA T APPROVAL FOR 94 LOTS AND ONE OUTLOT: SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR 2
FOUR UNIT STRUCTURES. 1 SIX-UNIT STRUCTURE AND 10 EIGHT UNIT
STRUCTURES ON 12.34 ACRES: LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF
GALPIN BOULEVARD AND HIGHWAY 5. SCENIC ENTERPRISES. INC.: AUTUMN
RIDGE 2ND ADDITION.
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item.
Andrews: Todd, you're suggesting we credit up to $25,000.00?
Hoffman: Correct.
Andrews: Are you also suggesting that we have a time constraint on the construction of that
trail?
_ Hoffman: _ ...same time the other public improvements are going in. And then the credit,
again it's difficult to track...as presented here would be in consideration of that construction...
Lash: So what if it costs way more than that?
Hoffman: Not an issue with the applicant.
Lash: Okay.
Hoffman: This trail loop, as you can see, it's on the west side of the property. This is the
second addition so you will cross the entry road to the school where we enter it is right here
and children would cross at this intersection. Down this sidewalk to gain access to home and
back and then the trail system would loop around and they would be building from this point,
back out to the frontage road and then as a part of the first addition, they'd construct this all
the way back to the end of the addition.
Lash: And then when does the loop get made?
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Hoffman: The loop would be finished with the last piece of acquisition as part of that
Howard Dahlgren property to the west. So three pieces of the puzzle were out there. As you
tackled the Trotters Ridge piece, the trail to the north. Then this would be Betty
O'Shaughnessy...follow suit and then this trail is constructed, you're about half way there as
far as land acquisition and trail construction and then you have the final piece of the puzzle.
And then with the property...the Paul Steiner property.
Lash: Any discussion? Anyone want to make a motion?
Meger: I say get them in while the getting's good.
Hoffman: Bye Jim.
Lash: Is that a motion to follow staffs recommendation?
Roeser: Oh, is that what she said? I'll second that.
Megel' moved, Roeser seconded that the Pmk and Recreation Commission recommend that the
following conditions of approval regm-ding pmks and trails to the City Council for Autumn
Ridge 2nd Addition:
1. Full park dedication fees be collected per city ordinance.
2. Trail fees for Autumn Ridge 2nd Addition and retroactively for Autumn Ridge 1st
Addition, be waived in consideration of trail construction. This trail construction to be
completed per city specifications within an alignment approved by the city.
All voted in favor and the motion canied.
Jim Andrews left the meeting at this point and did not vote on this item or the remaining
items.
ALCOHOL POLICY. CHANHASSEN RECREATION CENTER COMMUNITY ROOM.
Dawn Beitel presented the staff report on this item.
Manders: My question would relate to the idea that you can't separate any of those
conference rooms or meeting rooms from the other area. So what does that mean if you have
alcohol there, then that.
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Hoffman: You'd have to close the gym.
Manders: Yeah, you'd have to close everything for that usage?
Hoffman: Y eah. You could usage...other side, on the school side. But if you were to secure
a license there for the serving of liquor, you could have to close the doors. The main three
doors as you walk in and where it goes, straight in to those doors and you'd have to close the
two gym doors and...Y ou could not use the aerobics or fitness room at that time.
Beitel: And actually if you had the locker rooms available and the open gym people unlock
them on the hallway side, then the people who are at the reception would have no access to
the restrooms.
Lash: What time does the gym close? What are our hours for that?
Beitel: We have open gym times on Saturday evenings, we have a high school open gym
scheduling some activities.
Berg: With all those restrictions, we're starting to sound a little bit like what we were doing
with our church organizations and whatever.
Lash: The only way you'd be able to do it would be if you only allowed it after the open
gym time was over. So they could do it but not until after 10:00.
Berg: If we have to start closing down the rec center for a private party, I'm absolutely
against that.
Lash: No, and I look at a conflict too with this being it's connected to the school and on a
school site, it is different than the Chaska Community Center. And the school district has a
no alcohol, you know no smoking on any of the school grounds. Not even outside. So I
look at that as being kind of hard to juggle with it being connected to the school and all of
that.
Berg: Yeah Ron said on the way out tonight that in 5 years this place isn't going to be big
enough. I don't think I agree. I don't think it's going to be that long. I don't see where we're
going to have a problem, I wouldn't think we're going to have a problem renting that space
out non-alcoholic. You don't have to have alcohol to have a good time.
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Roeser: I think for the first year it makes sense too because it sounds so complicated now
that wouldn't it simplify, it certainly would simplify your job if it were just straight no
alcohol, wouldn't it? Or wouldn't it?
Beitel: Even Chaska says that it...
Hoffman: Absolutely.
Roeser: You know and maybe look at it a year from now but if you're not getting receptions,
if you're not getting parties, then maybe there's something wrong and you'd have to go to
selling liquor or doing it the other way but I don't know why we shouldn't just try it without
booze.
Berg: Do you think Chaska would go back to non-alcohol if they had the choice? Did you
get that sense?
Beitel: I don't know. She wasn't able to give me a percentage of how many people are
actually bringing alcohol into it. I think they had to go through a process. They had to get
like a temporary permit. It was $250.00.
. Roeser: Right, and they have to buy insurance.
Beitel: Right.
Lash: Who? Is it the person booking the room or is it the city? Person booking the room.
So if I wanted to have a wedding reception there, I'd have to go through, or do I just book it
with you and I say we want to have alcohol and then you go through all of that?
Beitel: Then I'd give you a list of the sites that you can buy your alcohol from and you go
through them and get your permit and then you have to prove to me that you have a permit.
That has to be shown...
Lash: So I could go to, say you had MGM on your list. I could go to MGM and buy a keg
and just set up a keg there? You don't have to have, like at the community center you have
to have a cash bar.
Roeser: This sounds to me like they have to have someone who has a liquor license. Then
they get the bartenders and everybody from them? You do. That's what it sounds like,
which...
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Lash: So I couldn't do it...I wouldn't be able to do. If I wanted to just get a keg and take it
over there and, you couldn't do that?
Beitel: No.
Lash: I'd have to hire a bartender and all of that.
Hoffman: That's exactly why they stayed away from that. They didn't want that type of
activity. They didn't want the softball team, the neighborhood party and have a kegger in
there. They wanted to cater to banquets and dances... We are simply posing the question.
We're not advocating serving alcohol at the recreation center. Weare simply posing the
question because it was... We will receive requests and we'll be asked the question and we're
simply saying well, Park and Recreation staff decided there wasn't going to be alcohol or
there was going to be alcohol. That did not cut it so, there's opinions abounding on both
sides...
Roeser: Is it completely our decision though. Has the Council got anything to do with this?
Hoffman: This is on the City Council agenda next week.
. Roeser: It is? -
Hoffman: Yeah.
Roeser: Do they have the final say?
Hoffman: Sure, but your decision is not going to be considered...
Berg: I think Ron's point is a good one. Let's look at in another year.
Lash: I would agree with that. Do you want to put it in the form of a motion then?
Roeser: That we not allow liquor to be sold in the new recreation center.
Lash: Bring it up for review in a year?
Roeser: And review this, the policy a year from now.
Meger: Second.
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Roeser moved, Meger seconded that the PalX and Recreation Commission recommend that
then~ be no liquor sold at the Chanhassen Recreation Center and review the policy in a yeal',
All voted in favor and the motion callied,
DEVELOPMENT OF 1996 PARK ACOUISmON AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (CIP),
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item.
Berg: Jerry, do you think it would get enough use, with the lights? Is that still justifiable?
Ruegemer: Truthfully, Lake Susan sat empty a lot of the times this summer with the Legion
program not being organized this year. They lost at least 3 nights a week right there. They
talked about now with the new older program being started up again but that... I know that
people were somewhat disgusted with the availability of that field this summer. It did sit
empty a lot so that would be the decision of the commission to allocate that money for
ballfield lights but just talking to the person that scheduled it this summer, it really wasn't
utilized to it's full extent.
Lash: But that's a Babe Ruth field, isn't it?
Ruegemer: Conec!.
Lash: And what age bracket is that? 15 and up?
Ruegemer: Yeah. 14's can play there too but 14's about it.
Lash: So Scott was talking about the possibility of trying to start a.
Berg: That metro team that he was talking about.
Lash: But not a metro. What I had heard is that they were trying to continue basically what
they have now but up to the next age bracket. So it'd still be an in-house league basically.
Ruegemer: They're still talking about getting together a 16 year team like a Mickey Mantle
type of a league. There's also been talk about a town team being formed. An over 35 league
for baseball has also been talked about so, you know if all those organizations come to
fruition...but until, maybe we need to feel the crunch a little bit before that happens.
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Lash: What would be involved in, you're going to think I'm crazy but I don't know. What's
involved in turning that into just a regular baseball field?
Ruegemer: As far as a younger age type of baseball?
Lash: Yeah. So I mean to go back to Scott's concern that there's not enough fields for the
age brackets as they're growing, and he said especially in the older age bracket. Would that
be able to get converted to be used.
Roeser: For smaller kids are you talking about?
Lash: Well, he was saying like for 11 through what, 14 or something like that.
Roeser: No, I wouldn't want to do that.
Hoffman: ...that field was built as a baseball field.
Lash: No, but I mean what would you have to do to convert that field so that could be
usable for that age? Is that too expensive? Is there a lot involved to do that?
. Hoffman: A big waste of money.
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Lash: Is it? Okay. I didn't know what all would be involved with it. I'd rather take the
money and light another field at Lake Ann because that would help with the problems that
he's faced with. He'd be able to have, open up another whole field there that's more usable. I
had that in my notes for later on anyway. I think that is a short and long term solution to
some of this space crunch. It's a lot cheaper to put in ballfield lights than to try to get a new
ballfield and get it up and going. That just doesn't happen.
Berg: That sounds like we're at least a year away with Lake Susan.
Ruegemer: I think that'd be a safe bet. If you did that. If you wanted to put the money into
something else. Until the usage increases again, I think you'd be better served using the
money in different areas.
Lash: Because I think when the kids get to be that age, they get on the high school team,
don't they usually?
Berg: Yeah, but not all of them can make that high school team.
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Lash: Well not all of them but you know, that's the same thing with the metro team though.
I mean you have to be pretty good to play on the metro team and you have a lot of kids who
don't make that. Well then what happens to those kids and that's where this growth is
happening in that age bracket. Plus even if your kid is good, you might not want to make
baseball your whole life in the summer and be on that traveling team. That in-house league
is nice. I like that.
Ruegemer: I can see that in-house program increasing too in numbers. A lot of it isn't high
pressure and I think people really enjoy that. Just getting a chance to play and staying local.
Berg: Just playing ball for fun.
Lash: Yeah I really, really hope that they do expand it the next, because right now we're at
the end age wise so if it keeps going, I'll be happy. So I'm willing to do whatever to see that
happen.
Berg: The next question is, what are the chances or setting aside, let's say $10,000.00 for
Lake Ann lights. What do we need to get lights for another field at Lake Ann? What's it
going to cost?
. Hoffman: If you do Lake Ann #6, which would be just to the east of #1 but...slightly lower.
So somewhere from $50,000.00 to $70,000.00.
Berg: So we're a ways away with those too.
Hoffman: You might be able to go a little lower. The quality of the.. .installed in Chanhassen
public facilities are not telephone poles and...lights. They're a quality system... Depending on
how you want to...knock that down and maybe get it in for the $35,000.00 range for a
single...
Berg: How close is Field #6, I don't remember, to the batting cage?
Hoffman: The batting cages are just north of Field #1 and then Field #6 is.
Lash: On the other side of the berm?
Hoffman: Yep. Other side of the berm. The fields are laid out in two veins...
Lash: And #1 is the one with lights now, isn't it? Or is that #2?
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Ruegemer: That's correct.
Lash: Why would you choose to light #6 instead of #2?
Hoffman: #2 is a Little League field.
Lash: But that's where he said they were looking at a lot of growth there.
Hoffman: It depends on which way you want to go. This is going to offer you, you know
there's no growth in adult fields right now so you're stuck here. There's growth in five new
youth fields out at the Rec Center so this would give you additional capacity for your adult
leagues, which they're going to feel the pinch. They're kind of getting, they don't see any
new fields coming on line and they've been getting pushed out of Lake Ann. If you can call
it that. I think it's jusLequalization of the use of the park. Those would be the next two to
go.
Berg: I was just wondering if CAA would be interested at all in increasing the use of their
batting cage by helping us out with some lights.
Hoffman: Sure. You could do it in #6 and light those batting cages and you're halfway
there.
Berg: You've got a nice little complex there too.
Lash: I'd be more in favor of doing that and trying to conserve money in other areas for next
year, if that's what we'd have to do. And keep Lake Susan where we had it. What did you
have there before, 10? So if we start throwing some money in there, we might be able to get
CAA to kick in, an answer to their problem and maybe the Legion, if they're interested in
helping out. There's different organizations who have offered to help.
Berg: I could see putting the $10,000.00 there. In a contingency at Lake Ann. Well, it's a
start.
Lash: But it's not going to happen next year with $10,000.00. I'd like to see it happen next
year.
Hoffman: Okay, to finish up.
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Lash: When you're taking your staff comments, where does that put us then? At a final
dollar amount. If you did it.
Hoffman: Didn't calculate it. I didn't think you'd just take my $6,000.00.
Lash: We won't. Just wondering. How about if I just start the top of the staff comments and
go down and then we take care of that first and then we'll flip to the back. Is that okay with
people? The Chan Rec Center. Discussion on that one. Anybody with a problem with that
recommendation?
Berg: Is that a contingency for things like equipment? Is that what we're looking at for things
like that in the fitness room and that type of thing, or what? What do you anticipate?
Hoffman: Fitness room equipment. Lighting. Operation issues. Start using the building and
something isn't right and...Y ou know you look at a contingency and if we set it at $20,000.00
or $30,000.00, you need to approve those percentages. Depending on how the rest of you
feel...
Lash: What did we have in there before?
. Hoffman: $20,000.00.
Lash: Any other comments or questions about that? How should I do this? Should I ask if
we want to just concur with that one or wait until we're all done. Talk them over and then
you can just figure it out.
Hoffman: Go through your comments and then go through every park and make sure you're
all set and then...
Lash: Okay, but no one has a problem with that so we'll move on to Herman Field. Anyone
with a problem deleting that?
Manders: Good idea.
Lash: Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. How about Lake Ann, the picnic shelter, we
talked about that a little earlier. The consensus I had was that we should wait. Hold off on
that for a while. Okay. How about the contingency of $5,000.00 for Lake Ann? Anyone
with a problem? Lake Susan. So should we leave that at 10 and then.
Manders: Yeah, I'd say leave it at 10.
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Lash: Okay.
Hoffman: ...you don't have any intentions of moving forward, it really clutters the CIP.
Lash: So just take it out?
Hoffman: Take it out.
Lash: Okay, let's just take it out. Stone Creek playground.
Manders: The question I had asked there was, how quickly some of these parks get
developed or a playground will get put in? It seems to me that there are other ones out there
that have been there longer that haven't been developed. I mean is there any kind of priority
scale, or how does. There's just normal development.
Hoffman: The Commission sets the priority. There's a single neighborhood park that's...but
Prairie Knoll is one piece of ground that hasn't been developed yet.
Manders: But I'm thinking of like Sunset Ridge. Do they have a playground?
. Lash: Yes.
Hoffman: Yeah, they have Phase I, Phase II.
Manders: They've got all the phases and all these other ones do too? Okay.
Lash: I agree with your thinking. I had a question mark by that one too. I guess it's not that
I think people should have to wait 5 years before they get them but I think...it's not even
finished yet and if we end up short money, I'd rather see the money go for ballfield lights and
hold off another year. I think that's something that would get used more at Lake Ann than
here. If we have the money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Hoffman: ...number of phone calls from residents there. I mean when you say the rest of the
neighborhood isn't finished, well it's just about 85% complete...The site's been acquired for a
number of years. The development has been started on the other side...moved that direction.
You've not heard from them but I think you'll hear from them...
Manders: So the idea here is that this playground would go in next year then?
Hoffman: Correct.
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Meger: Have we heard anything from the folks around Prairie Knoll?
Hoffman: Once in a while we see the people who live in the cul-de-sac where the...original
concept plans. They were involved in...
Lash: Well I'm okay with leaving it in there as long as we have enough money to do the
other things that we want. If we see a money crunch, that would be the first thing that I'd
take out.
Roeser: If it's 80% done now, by next spring it will be 90% done. I think that should stay.
Lash: Okay. Let's flip over then to each park. So if you have comments on any of these, as
I call them out, just jump in. I won't go down the seating. Bandimere Community Park.
Obviously we're on hold with that, right? Bandimere Heights Park. I looked at that
$8,000.00 in '98 as, I just think we should take it out because once the big park starts getting
in there, isn't that going to be incorporated? Isn't it all going to run together? It's still going
to be separate? Okay.
Hoffman: And in regards to the topography, if you really are...
. Lash: Bluff Creek Park. Carver Beach Park. Carver Beach Playground. Chanhassen Estates
Mini Park. I was j~st kind of wondering why we're putting those little spring animals in
there. Is that ever used?
Hoffman: Well this is brand new. It's just going in.
Lash: That's the little one by McDonald's, right?
Hoffman: Yes. The structure's just going in and the commission made the commitment,
based I believe on a visitor presentation a couple of years ago, to do something in there. We
purchased the piece of play equipment...1eft extra room for additional spring animals. The
piece of equipment was purchased at Nationals...so I asked for a proposal to reconfigure...to
meet that ADA so at the last meeting 1...
Lash: Okay. Chanhassen Hills.
Hoffman: Parking lot. 25 cars.
Lash: Chan Pond Park.
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Roeser: I'd just like them to change the name of that park back there to Kerber Pond Park
but other than that, no problem. That property was surrounded by Kerber farms for 150 years
and they go and change it to Chanhassen Pond Park. I couldn't understand that guys. Who
did it?
Hoffman: I didn't do it.
Lash: I don't think I did. Did I do it? I don't think I did.
Hoffman: We can look at the Minutes but you can change it back.
Lash: Okay, the Chan Rec Center, I think we already took care of that, right?
Hoffman: Which one are you at...
Lash: 40? 35? 30? Anyone.
Hoffman: I'm comfortable with 30.
Lash: Okay, 30.
Roeser: 30.
Lash: If you're comfortable, that's what counts. Okay. How about City Center Park. They
show just nothing.
Hoffman: No, the HRA/Council is still stuck in the mud over the HRA/Council issues and
that's one of them...
Lash: How about the hockey rinks, they don't need anything? Or the warming house.
Hoffman: They certainly do but we're not going to do it...
Lash: Okay. Curry Farms.
Roeser: You're still going to run them this year aren't you?
Hoffman: Yes.
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Lash: Curry Farms Park. This is the one that's sinking, right? ...So Galpin Boulevard. Is
that Stockdale?
Hoffman: Stockdale.
Lash: Okay. I just have to make sure I'm on the right one. Greenwood Shores. Herman
Field. And we're going to scratch that $22,000.00, right? Okay. Lake Ann Park. We're
going to put in a contingency there of $5,000.00. Let's, can we talk lights?
Ruegemer: Yeah, let's talk some lights.
Roeser: Let's talk picnic shelter first. Should we cross that off?
Lash: Sure. Well there's ballfield lights right there.
Roeser: Let's just move it to lights. We're up to $60,000.00 with lights if we take the 10
from Lake Susan.
Lash: So that's one field right there. Or half of one. Half of two. And then if we can get
CAA to kick in half.
Hoffman: Field #6 and the batting cages. I think you'd get some...from the Athletic
Association.
Berg: That could be a nice phone call tomorrow, couldn't it.
Lash: Okay, so what should we put in there to accomplish that? How much do you think we
can tap them for? Reasonably.
Hoffman: Well if we get 60...
Ruegemer: They're campaigning right now. Fund raising right now for that so.
Manders: For lights out there you mean?
Ruegemer: Yes.
Lash: So what do you think they could cough up, $20,000.00?
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Hoffman: We could come up with a proposal...and let them know that we want to do #6 and
the batting cages. This is where we're at. If you want to do the other one, this is where
we're at. They can advertise that through December-January of this year and then lock in on
a project...
Lash: You think they can lit by spring for the season next year?
Hoffman: Sure.
Lash: That'd make your life easier, wouldn't it Jerry?
Ruegemer: Yeah, it would help. You bet.
Lash: So how much are you willing to kick in? Put Jerry down for $15,000.00. Okay, so
we're going to plunk 60? Should we say that? Okay. Anything else for Lake Ann?
Hoffman: Ask the staff members...with their operations.
Ruegemer: Yeah. Potentially a furnace for the shelter. Concession building. If the
commission was aware of it last year. This would be the last couple months with the wet
conditions that are down there, we did have some frosLin the concession area itself. Last
winter, fouL.heaters were put in there all winter to help...temperature so everything wouldn't
freeze up in there. You know the past couple of years you've got doors heaving to the point
where they can even be opened and some slight frost damage. Pipes bursting. That type of
thing. We were tentatively looking at maybe adding some type of a furnace of some kind
along with heat ducts or some...with the ventilation system that is there so potentially
additional duct work would hardly have to be added buLlooking at some type of a small
type...winter months.
Lash: Are you talking about gas?
Hoffman: Gas furnace.
Lash: Do you have gas going there?
Ruegemer: It's all electrical last year.
Hoffman: Merit Heating and Cooling...
Meger: How much would that cost?
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Hoffman: Probably not CIP. I believe we could take that out of maintenance...
Ruegemer: ...big ticket items, we're pretty wel1...reallocate some money to maybe an
additional paddleboat that's a little bit higher quality potentially. We've had a lot of damage
this year. A lot of breakdowns with the boats that have been out there and I think the one
paddleboat's been out of the water more than it's been in this summer so. And there's great
use out there and I think if we got some little bit higher quality maybe or they could stand a
little bit more the industrial kind of strength, then maybe we'd be in better shape but. I don't
have any figures in front of me...
Lash: Do you think it's just the quality isn't high enough or do you think they just take too
much of a severe beating because they're rental?
Ruegemer: Oh yeah. I think they're used heavily out there and...this is our third summer
now and potentially we might need to replace the fleet if you will out there.
Lash: One a year? How many do we have?
Ruegemer: There's 4 of them.
. Lash: Would we just be able to get into a cycle of replacing one a year?
Ruegemer: You bet.
Lash: Should we pop a little bit in there for a new paddleboat?
Ruegemer: Yeah.
Berg: Over and above the $2,500.00 that we have in there now? Oh that was last year.
Never mind.
Lash: Well we just talked about putting in a $5,000.00 contingency so should we put in
$2,500.00 for a paddleboat? Is that an adequate amount do you think?
Roeser: Why not give it 2?
Lash: Okay.
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Ruegemer: Replace two of them, sure. That'd be great. I don't know if the commission's...
as far as getting any type of a smal1...sailboat of any kind or if the commission's heard any
comments regarding that. Paddleboats are really popular up there.
Manders: Are there canoes out there all private or those are public?
Ruegemer: There's 3 rental canoes...so that's an additional revenue for us too.
Lash: In the report, in the yearly report I was kind, I guess I was kind of disappointed in the
revenues generated from rentals and concessions down there. I mean there was some days it
was nothing. I looked at it and I thought I bet we're not ever breaking even on what we're
having to pay staff to be there compared with what we're taking back in revenues.
Ruegemer: Overall I think we're right in line really with the past two years so. Obviously if
you added up everything...
Lash: Well Ron, do you want to go for 2? I don't care. 2 would be max for me.
Roeser: I think 2 would be fine. Now we're talking like $5,000.00?
. Ruegemer: Is the 2 above and beyond the contingency?
Lash: Right.
Ruegemer: Everything else is pretty well okay with...
Lash: Okay. Anything else for Lake Ann? Okay, Lake Susan. We just scratched the.
Roeser: We're scratching the 10 there.
Lash: Right. Anything else that anyone can think of for Lake Susan that we need? Okay,
Meadow Green Park. We have $2,000.00 for trees. What about, I think I read in the
Minutes there was talk about the parking lot. Is it too little and you're thinking of expanding?
No? Okay. Minnewashta Boulevard. What do you think for that $7,000.00 is, what are we
going to get for that? You've got initial development. Is that just grading and seeding?
Hoffman: Parking lot, grading, seeding.
Roeser: Getting rid of the barn house, is that included?
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Hoffman: That will be gone...
Berg: Is that house coming down too?
Hoffman: Yes. They moved out.
Lash: Can I throw out some ideas that I had for usages of that? And I have no idea what all
is involved money wise and getting the thing up to speed but say we ended up, I mean we
could use it for concessions out there. We could use it, if we ended up with the beach section
and I know that still hasn't been decided yet but if we did and wanted to do that at Lake Ann
and have canoes or paddleboats, that could be a rental place. It could be used as a meeting
space. It could be used for Scouts. We now sound like a broken record but I mean I look at
the Scouts right away. I mean that's such a remote area that people who want some of those
kind of things, it's got a kitchen facility. It's got a lot of things out there that it could be used
for.
Roeser: I think if you ever tried to rent canoes and stuff, people would rise up in revolution
on that little beach. But I think there might be some use for that round place yet.
Lash: It's so remote. Even concessions. Even if you just have vending machines and stuff in
it.
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Meger: It seems like an awful lot of money though to me to upgrade that round house and
keep it up to put vending machines in because it is remote.
Roeser: Well let's just leave it stand for a year and see what happens.
Lash: And extension for the senior center. I mean I just look at it as a possible meeting area
for different groups.
Berg: Is there any chance that we would ever have, I realize it's across from the lake, this is
stupid perhaps, any kind of flooded area. Hockey and/or pond or just skating area that that
could be used as a warming house for. The topography of the land won't let us do that?
Manders: That type of thing would make the most kind of sense because you're going to
have destination type usage. You have to go out to it for some other event, then it's less
likely to be used.
Hoffman: ...walk across the street.
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Berg: Yeah I thought of that too. The road bothers me a little bit in the winter time.
Lash: I don't think it's that busy though. I even looked at it as someday possible branch for
the library. The library is always looking to expand.
Roeser: I don't think it's big enough for that.
Lash: No, I don't mean for the whole library but.
Roeser: No, I know even for a branch. It'd be a very small branch.
Lash: ...well I mean that's kind of the thought I had. Well anyway, okay. Do we want to
put in money right away for playground equipment too or is that jumping the gun?
Hoffman: Jumping the gun.
Lash: Okay. Well I'm anxious to get that one done.
Hoffman: You're going to put a couple hundred thousand, $140,000.00 in road construction...
$400,000.00 in the first couple of years.
_ Lash: Well way back in the reserve fund, on the last page, there's land development, west
Lake Minnetonka is $25,000.00. So is that on top of this $70,000.00 that we have? The last
thing.
Hoffman: No, that was part of the 70.
Lash: So that's part of the 70?
Hoffman: Yep.
Lash: Okay. So we should scratch that from this list?
Hoffman: ...land acquisition west of Lake Minnewashta and...
Lash: Okay. Minnewashta Heights Park. North Lotus Lake Park. Pheasant Hills Park.
Power Hill Park. Anyone?
Manders: Not me.
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Hoffman: Drainage...
Lash: And this year we put in a play area and a basketball court.
Hoffman: Correct.
Berg: And a parking area.
Lash: Well the parking was there technically last year.
Hoffman: One thing to say for it. We've had quite a bit of rain...referencing that low area...
Manders: I'm not in favor of...that stuff.
Berg: It's a fine play area. They can take a bat and a ball down there or a soccer ball. It's
fine.
Lash: So we'll leave it the way it is.
Roeser: That's what Todd's going to tell them. Park and Rec doesn't want to do anything...
Berg: Who's number is published?
Lash: Okay, Prairie Knoll Park.
Meger: When are we going to do it?
Roeser: Where is that?
Lash: I don't even know if we ever should do that.
Meger: Can we go visit this?
Lash: We did..when we were on that trail and he said it's right on the other side of those
houses. Right when we went down into the trail into Lake Susan. It's back over there. I
mean it's so small. It services such a little, tiny area it just seems like to me that would be
Ron's wild flower area. Couple of benches and a sign. There's nothing there right now is
there Todd?
Hoffman: Nope, nothing there.
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Lash: Is it even mowed?
Hoffman: No.
Lash: So is it an eyesore do you think for them?
Hoffman: Well it's prairie grass.
Lash: Well some people might consider that an eyesore.
Hoffman: You drove right by it tonight. We came out of the Lake Susan neighborhood.
You've got Powers right here and then if you went straight ahead to Powers, there's a large lot
yet to be developed right here. If you know the, what are these called Jasper Townhomes...
fill this whole thing in. The other side is right here so there's a cul-de-sac here and there's
this road winding through here and all these back lots butt up into this open space. There's a
trail which is going to come through here and then act as part of a land trail and then the plan
was to put a piece of play equipment right there. The tree group this spring planted three
seedlings out in this open prairie grass, and really the concept here, at least in my thought
process is that this was just an excellent buffer for all these back yards you know from
Powers Boulevard. So you let these trees grow up and put a trail through there and if you
ever get any real push for any other additional development, you just review those as they
come in. Not a big focus there. Neighborhood focus. People in this neighborhood, when
they want to go recreate, they head out on the trail and they go right to Lake Susan. It's not
a big push for city use.
Lash: Any kind of a playground anymore is at least $25,000.00 and to stick that in there
seems like a waste.
Berg: Yeah. It's going to be so age specific when they've got Lake Susan not that far away
with every age that can be covered.
Lash: If they're not in here asking for it right now, I guess to me they don't really care so.
Should we just scratch that and if anybody ever calls you just say well, there's really not any
plan for it and see what happens?
Hoffman: Okay.
Lash: Rice Marsh Lake. Anything? This picnic shelter thing has been in here forever and I
just can't imagine that we're ever going to do that down there.
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Hoffman: To replace the one that's there?
Lash: Yeah.
Hoffman: Should we take it down...
Lash: Is anybody really motivated to spend, I mean how much does it cost to put one of
those things in, $50,000.00?
Hoffman: Probably not for that thing. We had $7,000.00.
Roeser: You've got $7,000.00 here.
Lash: For a picnic shelter?
Berg: It's a lean to.
Lash: We're not putting them in any other neighborhood parks so I just don't see.
Hoffman: You can take it out and when we take it down, you can listen to the neighbors.
Roeser: Yeah, if you tear it down, you might hear something and didn't replace it, from that
neighborhood. I think you would hear about it.
Lash: I mean is it dangerous now or is it?
Hoffman: No, it's old and it frost heaves and...
Ruegemer: I had that conversation too with the Lions specifically about that shelter and I
think they had forgotten about it. I just had that conversation about a month and a half ago
so I think if you approach the Lions, they would take care of that for you.
Lash: Okay. So we could take it out but see if we can get them to take it.
Roeser: Yeah, that's one of the first ones they did.
Lash: I think if I lived there I'd be much more interested in seeing, having a nice playground
structure. Having the basketball. Having decent parking and some of those kind of things
than a little rinky dink shelter.
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Hoffman: ...shelters. We get a lot of requests for shade in parks.
Lash: Well that's because the trees aren't. They haven't grown yet. In a few years.
Roeser: Next year it will be real cloudy and drizzly.
Lash: South Lotus Lake Park. Did I hear something about curbing?
Hoffman: No.
Lash: I thought I had heard that.
Hoffman: That's been taken out of there.
Lash: Okay. Sunset Ridge Park. Stone Creek Parkland. That's the one where we're talking
about putting in the $25,000.00 for playground, right?
Roeser: You're still going to do it, right?
Berg: Yeah.
Lash: If we have the money again, we should. Okay. Other improvements. Miscellaneous
kind of things. I put down money for tables and benches. We always need...and signage.
Won't we need some signage for some of these newer. Well even just Stone Creek and the
Minnewashta one.
Berg: Parkview at Lake Ann.
Beitel: I don't know if Sunset Ridge has one either.
Hoffman: No place to put it.
Beitel: People don't know that that's the name of that park down there.
Hoffman: No, they don't. We could put a temporary one in.
Lash: How about right by the trail?
Berg: How about 40 foot neon?
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Lash: You are here.
Berg: You are here. Sunset Ridge.
Lash: How about, are we sitting okay with bird houses and bat houses and all that stuff?
Hoffman: ...looking for cash but.
Lash: Remember last year Jerry we kind of talked about the possibility of over the winter
staff making one of those water wars things and just doing it ourselves.
Ruegemer: That never happened unfortunately but I don't know if there was money allocated
for that.
Lash: No there wasn't but this would be the time to do it if we wanted to.
Ruegemer: If the commission has interest, I don't think there'd be a problem with a few
hundred dollars to do that.
Berg: And we could pay for in 3 years just renting it to St. Hubert's.
Lash: Oh we'd pax. for it in 1 or 2 years just running it ourselves.
Ruegemer: Yeah, I do have a contact...design work for the water wars.
Lash: So do you think that would be.
Ruegemer: If that's something that the commission has interest in. It doesn't cost anything to
get the water wars game here so...it's up to the commission.
Roeser: What you're saying is we really don't need to build one though.
Ruegemer: I don't think we need to.
Lash: Is it more of a hassle than...Okay, so more hassle than it's worth. Okay. Anybody
else? Anything? That's the time to plunk it in.
Meger: I wish I knew because I'm sure they'll want some money for Bluff Creek but I don't
know what.
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Lash: Well, that could go into the reserve.
Berg: Maybe we should explore the idea of household pools to be used by the neighborhood
on a sort of a...basis. Jim and I were thinking we could both use a pool in our back yard.
Roeser: Are you talking about having a traveling pool?
Berg: And also have the city pay for it.
Manders: One of these portable units that you back into your driveway.
Lash: Okay. Where are we now? The fund reserves. Should we scratch the Lake
Minnewashta. The City Center, I was thinking, since we've had no movement in this anyway,
but $8,000.00 isn't even, $8,000.00 at the time we thought 16. That was like half but now
wouldn't we have to up it to 12 if we were going to have it be half.
Hoffman: Play equipment, yes.
Lash: So can we up that to 12. Okay. And can we scratch the TH 101 trail now? That
$20,000.00. According to the paper or the.
_ Hoffman: _ We can scratch it unless anything falls apart and then we'll put it back in. Should
we scratch the referendum of TH 101 and go for the safe...
Lash: Okay, the new school site furnishing we just, that was what we upped, wasn't it? No?
Hoffman: Fund reserves.
Lash: Oh, this is different.
Hoffman: Yeah, you can tag that right into contingency...
Lash: Okay. And can we take out the Stockdale reserve?
Hoffman: That's not a done deal.
Lash: Okay, we'll leave that in. Then we...
Hoffman: ...$130,000.00. 5 acres times 20. $26,000.00. That's just on reserve...
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Meger: So can we put some reserve money in for Bluff Creek preservation?
Hoffman: Yeah. There's two ways of doing that. It can be allocated in contingency and then
approve it later on when you move it from reserve into budget...
Lash: So can we put that in? Can't we just write that in here on Bluff Creek?
Hoffman: You bet.
Lash: So what would be a nice number to put in there?
Hoffman: $100,000.00.
Lash: Is that enough for you Jane?
Meger: Yeah, thanks.
Manders: What are you going to do with that?
Hoffman: ...in direct harmony with what you're trying to do, land acquisition in the Bluff
Creek corridor. Trail development. There's a lot of different issues... City staff is also
looking at recommending through the Bluff Creek task force at allocating the SWMP, Surface
Water Management Program dollars for land acquisition so...relationship with the SWMP
committee...
Berg: That was my question. Is anybody else bringing money to the table besides Park and
Rec?
Hoffman: You bet. You've got...traditionally the Park and Rec Commission was the holder
of property in the city and that's part of the equation but we've not had the expertise in the
staff to go ahead and do water quality, etc, etc...coordinator in that program on line. They
come in. The pond you saw this evening, that wil1...They give the majority of the funds. We
just pay for our trail..
Lash: Okay. Any other items for the CIP?
Berg: Are we updating Stockdale? Did I miss that? Are we leaving it at 50 or are we
putting more into that?
Lash: He said to up that to.
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Berg: 130?
Hoffman: $130,000.00.
Lash: So how do you think this is going to all shake down? Okay?
Hoffman: Right now you're at $211,500.00 in the '96 CIP and under other improvements,
$10,000.00 and contingencies... The reserve will change to $442,000.00 down from
$558,000.00.
Berg: And that reserve represents what percentage of the income that we can anticipate? I
mean don't we still have income that we can, that would be coming.
Hoffman: A large portion of the reserves are set aside...The cash balance is always a moving
target. Your fund reserves, cash in the bank plus your CIP should equal out...in essence your
general fund reserves, the $200,000.00 is only a bond and the commission and City Council
and the City Manager and myself...so your reserve will go up to $300,000.00, $400,000.00,
$500,000.00 based on income and how much you'd have assigned to that particular year.
We've done over $500,000.00 in 1995 in park and trail fees... That's the reason the CIP's...
. Berg: I don't know if anybody's ever asked this question, at this spot anyway. Can you project
out with any kind of accuracy to when we hit the wall?
Hoffman: Sure.
Berg: When is the golden cap going to go away? When do we hit the point with
development where we can't count on this kind of reserve building every year?
Hoffman: I should correct my answer. We can calculate what the, based on development
and zoning, what the estimated total income will be. When that will show up...So things are
out there booming right now but if everything slows down... Basically we're halfway done
with our development and essentially that's where, we talked about establishing our fees and
our trail fees based on what the actual plan is for the city and then how much houses, how
many houses and how many industrial acres of land you have left. If you take $10 million to
get to where we want to be, we should decide what percentage of that $10 million is the
burden of the existing residents and how much should be assigned to new, and then divide,
take that calculation and assign... It doesn't work that way in the real world based on park and
trail fees but that's what you're trying to move forward. You're trying to pay for your park
system with these park and trail fees. You're up to $1,200.00 a home at the present time. Up
from about $600.00 a house 5, 6, 7 years ago...But obviously the City Council...
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Lash: If we, this is the time too we're supposed to be talking about the, I know it's later in
the agenda but it's the parking permit thing and the impact that would have on this budget,
right? Do we need to, is that anything we need to talk about while we're on this or is that?
Hoffman: Not on the CIP budget. That's a different budget.
Lash: Okay.
Manders: I have a question, and I don't know if it applies here or if it's under maintenance
but general trail, I don't know if it's upkeep maintenance. Expansion. I know expansion is
maybe a whole different issue but how does that fit in? Is that like a maintenance issue?
Hoffman: Maintenance issue. If you have an issue with a trail, I can tell you... The other
trails are being, the one inbetween Lake Ann and Greenwood Shores, it was patched and is
waiting for an overlay right now. Excuse me, a seal coating right now. And all the trails, as
far as maintenance are now being assigned to the street renovation and the annual repair
programs.
Manders: Okay. So there's funding in place to deal with it?
. Hoffman: There's funding in place set aside each year for...
Lash: So you have the total of 211? Is that, can we live with that? I don't know what we
were shooting for.
Hoffman: 175.
Lash: Oh.
Hoffman: We can live with that. You're not sure if you're going to spend it all...
Lash: But we didn't put in any amount for tables, benches, signage, that kind of thing.
Hoffman: No. We bought 46 new tables this year so we're in an off cycle year on picnic
tables...
Lash: So you don't think we're going to need much?
Hoffman: Not picnic tables, no.
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Lash: Can you give us some, I don't have a clue what to...
Hoffman:
Manders: Did the Scout project get used this year?
Hoffman: No.
Manders: Any inquiries?
Hoffman: None.
Lash: So we don't need recycling containers or benches or tables?
Hoffman: No.
Lash: Okay. So we're at $1,500.00 there.
Berg: I don't see a lot of fat there though.
. Lash: No. By far the majority of the parks have nothing so.
Berg: And the big hit obviously is lighting.
Lash: Okay, let's move on to program reports.
Hoffman: I need a motion...
Lash: Okay. Is there a motion to approve this and send it on to City Council?
Roeser: So moved.
Lash: Second?
Meger: Second.
Roeser moved, Meger seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend that the
City Council approve the Development of the 1996 Pmx Acquisition and Development
Capital Improvements Program (CIP) as discussed. All voted in favor and the motion canied.
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PROGRAM REPORTS:
A. SEPTEMBERFEST.
Jerry Ruegemer presented the staff report on this item and asked if there were any questions.
Berg: What are we doing?
Ruegemer: We're going to be doing the prize board again.
Lash: The trivia you mean? Or not. Wasn't that what we did last year?
Berg: Yeah.
Ruegemer: ...trivia from last year. I'm not sure if.
Berg: I think we're 3 weeks away from a referendum. We'd better have something.
Lash: I think we have to have major PR going on.
. Ruegemer: Do you just want to have like a table with information type of a table? Is that
what you're looking at? To have all of the promotional or that type of, or the referendum
information on it?
Manders: I think at a minimum we need to be available for that type of question.
Hoffman: The...park task force will be there. They're having a meeting this Thursday. The
October 17th date is in question for a variety of reasons, but nevertheless the referendum will
be moving forward here at some point. So they'll be there.
Berg: That's a good idea to have them there.
Lash: I always thing visual things are helpful. You know if you had a big city map spread
out on a table with things color coded. Current parks. Future parks. That kind of stuff so
people can look at it.
Hoffman: And that will give people a reason to approach you...
Lash: But I'm willing, if you're having a prize board, I'm willing to work on that too.
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Berg: Ditto.
Lash: I think I suggested this last year but, and now it's too late if you already have fliers
printed up but I know you have the biggest pumpkin contest. I thought it'd be fun if you had
a carving, kind of like the sand castle contest only pumpkin carving.
Ruegemer: It's never too late Jan...
Lash: Oh I thought you said it was going in.
Ruegemer: Well it's going in, right but we do everything in-house so we can...
Lash: I just thought that'd be a fun thing to do and have kids one, have a family one or
something you know so if they wanted to look into that, I thought that'd be fun. And then I
know you have this theme is really the Septemberfest so this probably isn't in with the theme
of the things but I went up to St. John's, the festival over the weekend and they had that
Sumo wrestling, have you seen that anyone?
Ruegemer: Yeah.
. Lash: I mean that was just so funny. It really had the attention going. So sometime I'd like
to see that.
Roeser: No, St. Hubert's. Not St. John's.
Lash: Yeah, you know what I mean. That one catholic church.
Roeser: One of those Saints, yeah.
Lash: St. Hubert's, yeah. I don't go there. Anyway, it was really an attention getter and I
think people thought it was really fun. It was really funny and to have, they had scheduled
meets with certain notorious people from the church.
Ruegemer: I know...
Lash: I know that was, I went up there specifically to see that. It was Ann O'Neill and Lisa
Notermann...so it really was a sight to see. I don't mean them necessarily but they were
funny. But this whole thing was just a stitch so even for 4th of July or for something like
that, it was so funny.
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Ruegemer: We thought about that too before this obviously but it gets a little...
Lash: Anyway, it was very funny. I just thought it'd be fun. Okay, that's it for me.
Anybody else?
B. SUMMER DISCOVERY PLAYGROUND.
Dawn Beitel presented the staff report on this item and asked if the commission had any
comments.
Berg: Was there any feedback from places where you cut back from 2 times a week to 1,
like at Meadow Green?
Beitel: There wasn't. There wasn't. What we did is we added on at Pheasant Hills this year
and we had a real nice showing there for the first year. I think we had 21 or 22 kids signed
up. You know if I heard...it would be something that I would try to add back or if we
wanted to...other neighborhood parks.
Berg: That's got to be a top priority.
. Beitel: Herman Field even had a few more kids this year too so it's growing.
Berg: Well I don't know. I never hear anything but good things from my neighbors. They
just love it.
Manders: What age bracket is this?
Beitel: Ages 4 to 11. And this year we also...before we had the Junior Leaders or the
Playground Leaders to train in the volunteer program and that went really well also.
Berg: What age were they?
Beitel: They were ages 12 to 15.
Lash: Any other comments? Questions? Okay, thanks Dawn.
C. LAKE ANN PARK. PARKING PERMITS.
Jerry Ruegemer presented the staff report on this item.
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Berg: What are some of those big days? When you broke it down by days on page 2. Like
the 5th and the 15th of June, etc. What was going on those days that it went up so high?
Ruegemer: I would imagine a lot of it would be picnics...more weekend.
Erik Donnely: The bigger days usually are Mondays...Friday and Saturday and Sunday.
These amounts are by receipt. Not by day.
Berg: Oh, okay. So that's three days. I got you. Do you think a lot of those are non-
residents?
Erik Donnely: Judging on the way the distribution of the actual passes, probably...majority
are residents.
Berg: Are residents, okay.
Hoffman: The calculations in the past have always shown that, he's got it in your report. It's
back a ways. $19,000.00...of that was residential. $3,700.00 was non.
Berg: So if we were thinking, or try to do something like Jim suggested a year ago with the
passes for residents and purchasing of stickers for non-residents, we're not talking about a
large amount of in~ome at all?
Hoffman: ...
Lash: I think in reading the Minutes from the City Council, that was one of their suggestions
too and I didn't look at that as a solution because you're not getting rid of the gate keeper
then. You know the gate keeper's going to have to sit there but just only for non-residents.
Manders: Yeah, they'd be more bored yet.
Berg: It certainly isn't cost effective.
Lash: No.
Roeser: Yeah, I think the gate thing too, so many times you go out there and there's someone
there. And then you go out on other days and there's no one there. It's really kind of.
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Berg: Well it's real hap hazard. The day my daughter and I came out to talk to you and your
group, we got to the gate and he waved us through. Had no idea who I was or what I was
doing there.
Hoffman: It's fun when they wave at the Director but.
Roeser: Your picture's in the booth though I think.
Hoffman: The program is by no means perfect and towards the end of the year, 1 out of 10
cars pays...so I will certainly admit that.
Roeser: Yeah, it's hard to schedule somebody there all the time, right? I mean if people
don't show up or call in sick...! think the park patrol idea is fine. Probably a better idea.
Having someone wandering around out in the park. Looking somewhat official would be...
Berg: The problem is now with people up in the woods and spending the night and whatever.
Will a roving officer help that at all?
Hoffman: I'm not going to send them...send a park ranger there from 11 :00 until 8:00 unless
they're shifts...patrol the usage of the park...It's your call. If you look, the commission made a
motion last year to abandon this gate program but that came late so the Council didn't feel
comfortable with that so this year we have time...City Council as a part of your budget. You
also have the option in 1996, the road will be going through smack dab in the center of that
gate house so you're either going to have to rebuild it. Make a commitment to that program or
abandon the gate house.
Berg: It might be a spot to move the round house.
Lash: So we're going to try for it again this year?
Meger: Part of me says we should follow through but part of me wants to say that same
thing and say let's see what happens with the referendum. I don't know if we can use that as
a selling point of the referendum too you know with, that this is one of the ways that we get
money to purchase new land and upgrade but we hear you that you don't feel that you should
have to pay to use your park but we have a need there for more money.
Manders: Just one other thing that comes to mind is, couple of visitor presentations on park
fees to get in there and kind of in relation to I think it was Lotus Lake. I don't know why the
parks down there and being able to use that beach area and the beach area out there and so I
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kind of shake those around a little bit and you wonder if it isn't limiting some people or usage
of the park. I don't know.
Hoffman: ...$17,000.00 in gross revenues. $6,000.00 in employee costs. You've got to add
at least $2,000.00 to $3,000.00 in administration costs above and beyond that. $1,000.00 in
printing costs...net revenue down to about...
Manders: Yeah. I move that we discontinue park fees at Lake Ann.
Hoffman: ...discontinue that...gate attendant can file it and...save the city time and money if
that's the direction you want to go...
Lash: Well we're going to have to have this park ranger so.
Hoffman: Whether that park ranger...
Meger: I will second your motion Jim.
Lash: Any further discussion?
Berg: I just think I agree. They've paid for it already. It's a jewel and they should be able
to get in. Anybody should be able to get in and I think there are people that aren't able to for
one reason or another. Because of the gate fee.
Manders moved, Meger seconded that the Prox and Recl'~ation Commission recommend to
discontinue chro'ging an entrance fee for Lake Ann Prox. All voted in favol' and the motion
crolied unanimously.
Hoffman: Clarification...
Lash: That we will be discontinuing the parking fee at Lake Ann. Discontinuing the gate
keeper but in place we'd be having park patrol.
Berg: During normal park hours.
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS:
A. CHANHASSEN RECREATION CENTER.
Beitel: How did you like the recreation center tonight?
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Lash: Loved it.
Beitel: Nothing's really changed that much since your last visit. We're still waiting for quite
a bit of furniture. Lobby area furniture is due to come in this week. There is strength
equipment for the fitness room is going to be in the end of this week or early next week.
We've got people coming in...appliances...There's a lot of action occurring...open day
September 5th.
Lash: Is that the grand opening?
Beitel: That is the first open day. We're not going to be doing a grand opening celebration
per se until things are all in line and in order and going smoothly...school district is following
along. They agree and I talked to Kathy Gallagher and she would like to try to do some type
of a joint grand opening celebration but she would also like to wait a few months until things
are running smoothly with the school as well.
Lash: Say something like October or something like that maybe?
Beitel: Late fall. But the official first day of opening is September 5th and during the week
and the following week, the fitness room and the open gym times will be free. And aerobic
classes and fitness room and open gym time will be charged a fee on a punch card basis to
get in September 2?th. Reservations for the community room, I'm already getting people
calling in getting the price sheet which is due to go out this week. But I imagine we'll be
having reservations beginning that first week that we open...I've had a request already for one,
a meeting next week. It's people are hearing a lot. They're really curious. I'm very anxious
as well and I'm sure the general public is very anxious to get that first...and just figure out
what all is in there.
Lash: When will that be done? Are you doing like a flier or something?
Beitel: Yes, the promotional brochure. It's done. We're going to be stuffing envelopes and
getting that mailed out.
Meger: What's the cost again to walk in and use the open gym?
Beitel: The open gym, we have a punch card system. You can buy either 10,20 or 40
punch card. If you buy a 10 punch card, each punch is worth $1.50. If you buy a 20 punch
card, it's worth $1.40. And then the 40 punch card, they're a $1.30. So it pays to buy a
punch card with more punches and it costs, one punch to go into the fitness room. One
punch for an open gym and two punches for an aerobics class and that punch card can be
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passed around within your family. So the aerobics class will cost you anywhere from $2.50...
Lash: So an aerobics class would be $2.60, is that what you just said?
Beitel: $2.60 for a 40 punch card. $2.60 a class, which is right in line with other places.
How much they charge for a per class basis.
Meger: If you do 2 punches for aerobics, then you can walk into open gym afterwards or is
that another punch?
Beitel: It's another punch.
Lash: So who would punch it?
Beitel: The receptionist, right when you walk in.
Lash: But if you just walked across the hall.
Hoffman: They'd get you.
. Beitel: That's...honesty type of thing. Everyone will stop at the desk or we will flag them,
. what are you planning on doing this evening and we'll punch it out. That way you have the
flexibility of going to those things when you want to, even if you're not. You don't have to
sign up specifically for aerobics... You can go to a 5:30 in the morning one on Monday and
you can go at 6:00 in the evening the next day.
Lash: That's good. That's a good idea.
Hoffman: We'll hold a public questionnaire as to how they like the punch cards... We're
considering the debit system where you simply have an account at the Chanhassen Recreation
Center and when you walk in...credit it on your account, right on the screen... The open house
type attitude for the first couple of weeks, both for the benefit of the public and for the...
administration of the building. There will be a lot of systems to bring up on line and so as
we're training and setting the programs for those first few weeks, we can simply say welcome
to the Chanhassen Recreation Center. Make yourselves at home...programming our computers
and getting our systems up on line...
Lash: I really like that idea because you know I've signed up for aerobic classes before and it
will be two nights a week. Well one of the nights works out fine and then it turns out maybe
one of the other nights doesn't or something. It's a hassle and so you end up not signing up.
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Hoffman: Two classes before work, at noon or after work. There's a wide selection.
Lash: Anything else that you have?
Beitel: Todd mentioned in his Director's Report, which is the next thing, talking about the
school is doing a parent student night on August 30th and we will open up our area of the
building for people to...curiosity, what's on the other side of the door. So we will be, if
anyone's interested in coming in and just being a greeter. We'll probably have...refreshments
set up where people can just have a chance to look through the building, at whatever stage it's
at.
Lash: What time is that?
Beitel: It's from 4:00 to 7:00.
Lash: Okay.
Beitel: And we're currently still waiting on our computer system. We're going to be doing
some training tomorrow...Did Todd show you the fancy screen?
. Commission: No.
Beitel: It's the niftiest thing. It's a push button screen that just comes down. Very high tech.
Hoffman: Right out of the ceiling.
Beitel: We've gone through...there are minor things that need to be repaired...
Lash: We noticed that carpet was...And then do you have some stuff in mind, aren't there
display cases or something when you first come in?
Hoffman: Yes.
Lash: Have you got some, we should have some especially nice things in there in the
beginning.
Meger: Referendum things.
Lash: Well yeah, it could be that.
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Beitel: Just to display some of that stuff and...that would make some really nice display
things to try to...
Hoffman: This contractor's gone 2 months late so it's not just...
Manders: How many people are going to be involved in just kind of running this on an
ongoing basis?
Beitel: 8 to 10 people. And that doesn't include aerobic instructors. People doing
business...and supervising open gym...
Manders: So that's like part time or full time?
Beitel: Part time.
Lash: Do you have an aerobic instructors already?
Beitel: I've got an applicants and...There are several who work at other places who are
looking to pick up more hours. And then there are others out there who would like to...
Berg: How sound proof is that room?
Beitel: It's pretty sound proof.
Berg: Because I know when I used to go to Northwest, when they started, you knew it.
Throughout almost the entire facility.
Lash: Just the music?
Berg: Yeah.
Hoffman: We talked about that. It's got sound walls up above the ceilings. Many of those
facilities, you go up above the ceiling grade and it goes into the next room.
Beitel: We will be using a wireless microphone system for the instructors. So the hearing
element will be more even. They won't have to be screaming.
Lash: Is that it?
Beitel: Feel free to come on over and watch the progress. We're there.
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Lash: Okay. Are you ready to move on?
B. DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
Todd Hoffman presented the staff report on this item.
Meger: Erik, how much longer are you here?
Donnely: Until next Friday.
Lash: Boy, that went fast... I had this, and I didn't know when I was going to bring it up
because I didn't see commission presentations on here but. I talked with Jerry earlier in the
summer, and I think Dawn about the, what are your big events or what are those, super
events? You know where you were going to the water slide and all of that and they go up to
age 11 and then that's basically the cut off and I was wondering if we want to look into the
possibility of forming another group. Have it be 12 up or 12 to 16 or 12 to 15 or whatever
you think would be a good cut off and offer some kind of activities similar to those. It could
be Apple River. The water slide, the wave pool. Those things are all fun. That rock
climbing deal or whatever it was that you went to. Kids that age would like that too. Twins
game or whatever. Some of those kind of things. I think those are the kids that are in the
non drivers. They don't have jobs yet and I can tell you from my own experience at my
house, summer gets.to be a lot of video games and it's pretty sickening for kids that age.
They need to have some stuff to do and I know it's hard to get it going. I know with even
the ski trips. You try and a lot of times they get cancelled because they just don't sign up.
But I feel like, I want to see if we can at least try and offer some things and see what
happens.
Hoffman: Do you sign your kids up at that age or do they sign themselves up?
Lash: He wanted to go on about 3 or 4 of these but he was too old. He had about 3 friends
that wanted to go too and I came up and got the forms and we had them all filled out and
then we read the fine print and saw it was 11 and under and they were all 13 so they couldn't
go. So yeah, I mean they're old enough. They don't need transportation up to City Hall to
get the bus. They can ride their bike up here. So for working parents, that's not too much of
a problem. It's just trying to get the kids organized a little bit.
Hoffman: Did we have anything for that particular category?
Ruegemer: Not really this summer. You know last summer we tried to do teen trips, or really
the last two summers. It was just... Those were touring teens. Last year we tried in the
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summer time and also during the school year. Early fall and early winter and those type of
things.
Hoffman: Those were the same kinds of spots, right?
Ruegemer: Yeah. Last year was the St. Croix River. Tubing down that. Trout Air. Went
up there for a hayride. What else was last year? Beaver Mountain. Some of the people that
did go, we had a limited amount but we still did go. We had 3 or 4 of them last summer.
Hoffman: We have plenty of time. Now you can try them again...
Lash: Well you know, kick it around and see. Maybe we need to do a little better PR or
something. Send something home from the middle school before school's out and with the
schedule, maybe if they, they never read the paper so they'd never find out that way but.
Ruegemer: Cable access.
Berg: Yeah. If we're going at the high school students, that would be something where they
definitely would see it. I was wondering about this youth person. With all the attempts
we've made at these things and how they've failed so awfully, would there be enough? What
do you have in 'mind for a full time, 12 month youth director?
Hoffman: This position is coming from the Athletic Association. They coordinate a couple
thousand youths throughout the community on a seasonal basis in all the sports and it's a big
job for volunteer associations. I think we talked about it before. The administrators of these
youth organizations are frustrated. They're frustrated with field availability. They're
frustrated with the financial...they're frustrated with the coordination of their sports, and then
that frustration goes down and filters down to coaches. Coaches don't feel they get the
support they need. They don't feel they get the communication they need. That frustration
filters down to the user. The user comes in and comes up to the program and thinks our
coordinator...and they're all throwing up their hands and they're coming down and you're
saying you know, the city spends a lot of time on adult activities. They spend a lot of time
and money on senior activities. They spend a lot of money on activities and coordination
for...and etc, etc and our teenagers, 10 to 15, 10 to 16, and 18 year old youth don't get much
attention in the community. We think it's time the City Council ponies up and spends some
money and puts some effort into...carry that message, however limited it is, forward for
consideration.
Lash: So is it, this person would be a liaison or more of a coordinator for CAA?
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Hoffman: Well it'd be something which would evolve. They'd be a liaison. We're not going
to assign them as a manager for the athletic association. That would be a liaison position but
you start to peel off responsibilities that are...
Berg: Sort of like talking to the park thing that goes on every summer that Dawn
orchestrates, would that possibly fall under it for the Tiny Tots and the Dyna-Mites and that
sort of thing? Would that be part of it too?
Hoffman: It could. It depends on where you draw the line... I recall when the Water
Resource Coordinator was hired...City Council couldn't figure out what a Water Resource
Coordinator would do and when Diane came on line, between public safety, parks and rec,
and planning and engineering, I think the first week carried in 80 some files in her office and
said here you go. The water runs. Causes this water. Does this water. Does that water.
Does this and here's all the files that have to do with water and...! can't say that that would be
the same that the youth coordinator would do. We seem to place an awful big emphasis on
our youth but then again...age groups kind of force their way through on the shoulders of their
parents... And the Athletic Association, they're considering hiring...
Berg: It might be nice to have it as an agenda item and have some outside people come in
too and give their vision as to what they would think it might work. How it might work.
CAA.
Lash: Or check with other communities that have one and find out well, what kind of things
does that person do. And too, I guess I have two things of input about that. I went to that
meeting in Excelsior with all the communities. When Dawn and I went there, and that was
interesting to hear what some of them had to say and they really had gotten themselves into a
lot, I think a fix. A lot of the different communities did because Community Ed, through the
school district had taken on so much of the sports and the scheduling and all of that and there
was a real conflict between the school district and the cities in trying to figure out, well who
was going to have priority over the fields and there was always the crunch so we really want
to make sure we don't end up in one of those kind of predicaments because that sounds like
they have a way bigger nightmare than we have here with scheduling. And I've already
forgotten my other one so never mind. I had two points. It will come back.
Berg: I would think another group worth asking to maybe think about it would be the Youth
Commission in 112. I don't know if Minnetonka has something. Well I know Minnetonka
does I guess. They might have some ideas too. As to what this kind of person's job
description could entail.
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Lash: Here was the other point. With CAA they have, there's just no continuity from year to
year in these different programs. They've got different coordinators every year and they make
up their own rules at the beginning and they don't tell people what they are and then as the
season goes on, they change the rules mid-game and it's just a nightmare because they don't
have, there's just no continuity between the rules and how we set up the programs and how
the rules will transition as the kids get older. So I look at that as a benefit because I see that
person as coming up with criteria for each program and each age range that would be
consistent.
Roeser: I think the CAA is made up of people who, when they're kids are involved, they're
involved. And then when their kids are done with it, they leave the program. That's why the
turn over is there so maybe something...
Lash: And whoever's involved has their own agenda. You know some people are very
competitive and want to see it go strictly by some book of rules and then the next person who
comes in the next year maybe, well this is for fun. This is just a learning experience for kids
and we'll put the rule book out the window or we'll just adapt these rules and you never know
from year to year what's going on and it causes a lot of fights between coaches and
coordinators and a lot of unnecessary...
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Lash: Part of me wants to say if CAA is willing to hire a director to try to iron out all of
their problems, let them spend the money. But on the other hand, you know we talk, talk,
talk about, and we care about kids and we want to provide all these different things but then
we never come across with the money to ever make anything happen.
Berg: Yeah, and part of it for me is we've tried so many things and they've failed, part of me
wants to say it's not going to go and the other part says, maybe if we've got somebody who
can dedicate all their time to it.
Lash: Would it have to be a full time person or could we just get a part time person and see
how that goes and if things take off and it evolves into a full time position, fine. And if it
doesn't, we don't have somebody sitting around. So are we meeting on the 12th anyway, did
you say? For this task force.
Hoffman: Tentatively yes.
Lash: Well do you think you can pull together a little more info for us by then and then
maybe we can make a decision that night.
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Hoffman: Sure. Who would you like to talk to? The Youth Commission and CAA?
Lash: I'd be interested in other communities if they have one and if it's a full time position
and the kind of things that they do.
Berg: Somebody's got a successful program out there someplace.
Lash: Well and what kind of numbers do you need to have population to support that or to
require that. Where we're at. Okay.
Hoffman: Every community is unique and it's as much...tempted to copy cat or piggy back
onto somebody else's ideas...simply pursuing what is right for your community. You can
spend an awful lot of time trying to do what the other folks are doing and sometimes you
look back and it's not for us in Chanhassen...1t's a double edge sword at times. You don't get
a fence at Bluff Creek Elementary Chan Rec Center because of design standards but those
same design standards also keep a lot of other things... That's it for Director's Report.
C. COMMISSION VACANCY.
Todd Hoffman gave an update on the Commission vacancy.
Lash: Are there any questions or comments on the Administrative Section?
Berg: This is anticipating basketball season, and if it's planned for a later time let me know.
You had lots of problems last year with basketball players and teams. What are we doing
differently or do you want to talk about that at a different time?
Ruegemer: Yeah, I can update the commission on that. Letters were sent out sometime mid
July I believe on that... 1994-95 mens groups saying it's pretty much...the commission's motion
...but basically was stated to say that we have had problems in the past. Basically the
organization...so right now I know a person that looks like they're going to be the executor or
administrator of that program. Right now we did meet about 2 or 3 weeks ago in that regard.
I did turn over a lot of the organizational type of files for it that...organizational type of start
up materials over to that person so it looks like there will be a basketball league again this
year. What it's organization is, that I'm not sure of at this point but I haven't really checked
back with that person so...1 know the word is out on the street that the City of Chanhassen is
not going to be coordinating the program anymore so I think they're just basically looking for
a contact person so.
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Lash: Any other commission questions? I just have some kudos for staff I was going to run
through. First of all, now that we know Erik's leaving and this will be our last meeting with
Erik, so I think we all want to thank Erik for his hard work. All summer.
Donnely: It's been a pleasure meeting you all. I haven't had a lot of contact with every one...
Lash: Thanks for your hard work. And Dawn, we'll give some kudos to Dawn for all her
hard work on the Rec Center. It was my first time in there tonight and I was really impressed.
It looks great. I know you've been working hard so thanks to that. Thanks to Todd for the
tours. I always like that. I think everybody said tonight they like that. I have a kudos for
Jerry. I had a comment from somebody who's fairly newly involved in CAA and the person's
been working with you and just mentioned to me the other day how helpful you've been and
he really thought you were a great guy and all that so I wanted to pass that onto you.
Berg: And actually kudos from my wife, for all the staff. When we ran into the other day at
the establishment in Excelsior. She commented again on the time that she reserved the Lake
Susan pavilion from you and how she walked in the second time and you had no idea who
she was but you remembered her name and how friendly the staff has been dealing with park
things and whatever for our little kids. It's really nice because you get the sense that that's
what the rest of the public is seeing too and that's just fantastic. So thank you.
Lash: Good job.
Roeser moved, Meger seconded to adjoum the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion
canied. The meeting was adjoumed.
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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