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AGENDA
PARK AND RECREA nON COMMISSION
TUESDAY, AUGUST 25, 1992, 7:30 P.M.
CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE
CALL TO ORDER
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Approval of the July 28, 1992, Park and Recreation Commission Minutes.
Metes and Bounds Subdivision, Eugene Klein, 8412 Great Plains Boulevard.
Site Plan Review, Chanhassen Retail/Office Center, 480 West 78th Street, Copeland-
Mithun, Inc.
Approval of 1992 Capital Improvement Program Purchases.
1993 Park Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program, Final Draft
Fall Recreation Program Schedule.
Joint Meeting with City Council, September, Lake Ann Park Picnic/Recreation Shelter.
Commission Member Presentations.
Administrative Presentations:
Park Needs Survey, Summarized Results
10. Administrative Section.
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND
RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
3ULY 28, 1992
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Chairman Schroers called the meeting to order 7:34 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT: Fred Berg, Jim Andrews, Randy Erickson, Wendy pemrick,
Larry Schroers, Dave Koubsky and Jan Lash
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Coordinator; Jerry Ruegemer,
Recreation Supervisor; and Dale Gregory, Park Maintenance Supervisor
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Hoffman: A couple corrections Chairman Schroers. Under Public Present,
Kay and Susan Boudrie, 6042 Murray Hill Road are incorrectly listed under
the neighborhood meeting for Carver Beach Park. They should be under
Mosquito Control. And then starting on page 54, there are 12 comments
which are listed as resident which are the comments of Mr. Ross Green.
Schroers: Okay. Are there any others? If not, can I have a motion to
approve.
Lash moved, Berg seconded to approve the Minutes of the Park and Recreation
Commission meeting dated June 23, 1992 as amended by Todd Hoffman. All
voted in favor and the motion carried.
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MOSQUITO CONTROL IN LAKE ANN PARK AND LAKE SUSAN PARK.
Public Present:
Name
Address
John DeProspo
Bill Caesar
Ross Green
David Neitzel
Susan Palchick
Susan Boudrie
Al Klingelhutz
David Dolbert
Ernie Wermerskirchen
Renee Wagner
Bob Bennett
Eric Rivkin
Harold Trende
170 Beaverbrook Road
Lincoln Park, NJ 07035
MMCD, 2380 Wycliff Street, St. Paul 55114
2380 Wycliff Street, St. Paul 55114
2380 Wycliff Street, St. Paul 55114
2380 Wycliff Street, St. Paul 55114
2380 Wycliff Street, St. Paul 55114
6042 Murray Hill Road, Excelsior-Chanhassen
8600 Great Plains Blvd.
2029-16th Terrace N.W., New Brighton
17575 Valley Drive, Jordan 56071
17575 Valley Drive, Jordan 56071
123 Interlachen Road, Hopkins 55343
1695 Steller Court
9010 Co. Rd. 140, Cologne
Dave Johnson
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Schroers: Before we dive into this issue, we have decided that because we
spent a great deal of time on these issues last time, we're going to limit
presentations this evening to 5 minutes to the Mosquito Control. Also to
Mr. Rivkin and to any other interested parties who are not affiliated with
either, so Mr. Green are you going to be speaking for the Mosquito Control
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that some of you are. I can remember. and I haven.t aged. I remember when~
there was no mosquito control in this area of Carver County. And at times
like this when we.ve had rains and more rains and continuous moisture in
the morning. the mosquitoes would almost pick you up and carry you away. I
was out in my garden this morning, sure I got bit 3 or 4 times but I didn't
think that was bad. When I can recall before this took place, I'd probably
have 200 bites in the time I was out in my garden. Citizens, we've had one
case or two cases of someone who went to the doctor who was exposed to this
spray. Have we had any other complaints from any other citizen in
Chanhassen that used that park on that same day or was up to the July 4th
festival? It seems rather odd to me that the most ardent person against
this spraying, him and his son are the only people that have.shown any
allergy or reaction to the spray. I just hope, and I sure hope that you
continue spraying Lake Suan Park. That's just across the lake from me
and I'd sure hate to have them mosquitoes that are bred over there come
over to my place and start biting me. Going back to the encephalitis
mosquito, it's been a long. hard pull. We've still got them. There's
still cans being dumped out every day. You can pick them up once a year
and 3 months later you go back in the same area. You probably find another
tire that somebody rolled off in the ditch. half full of water. Good
breeding area. It would take more than once a year surveillance to control
the encephalitis mosquito. It takes constant vigilance and who's going to
climb up a tree 40 feet in the air and look in a knot hole to see if
there.s water in it or not? That's another breeding place. We've had a
couple cases in Chanhassen. I think Mosquito Control District did a
tremendous job and I.ve got a letter here from the Mosquito Control. I ~
believe it was back in 1988 that I received this letter. We're having a ..,
problem here. In 1984 a young girl in Chanhassen became sick with LaCrosse
encephalitis. Since that time most breeding sites in the area have been
eliminated but it takes constant watching to get this done. And for the
life of me, I don't know. It's been going on for so long and we've had one
report from one family that was effected by an allergy to the spray. We
talk about the wetlands in Chanhassen. We're increasing our wetlands 10
fold by what's going on. And sure, we might get more frogs and snakes and
swallows and things, but we're also going to generate a hell of a lot more
mosquito breeding areas too. Thank you.
schroers: Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to address the
Commission?
Harold Trende: Just one quick statement, Mr. Chairman, members of the
Board. I guess I find it kind of ironic. The years I've been on the
Board, Mosquito Control Board, most request for various spraying at
functions come through myself and go to th~'Mosquito Control Board. I
don't believe in the 6 years that I've been a representative on that Board,
that any city has asked for mosquito control. They received the mosquito
control the day of the functions and without fail, the following year and
years thereafter they asked for it and receive it again. It kind of tells
me that there must be some satisfaction with the service that is being
provided. I guess I find it very difficult to believe that these same
people that are requesting this control would not have environmental
thoughts or worries either. It seems to tell me that by their asking for ~
repeat treatment year after year, and these"are, some of these:cities are
in our towns in Carver County which are not in the mosquito control
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~ district. Which lie on the western half of the county. They realize the
benefits of the treatments without any ill effects and I hope that you
people, and I know you will, give serious consideration to the amount, the
extensive amount of work, or evaluations and things that the Mosquito
control District has done. As I mentioned last time, I'm one member on a
Board of 18 County Commissioners on this Board. We all have environmental
concerns. I'm sure that if anyone of us thought there was a danger to the
environment, we would not be supportive of the program either. Thank you.
Schroers: Thank you. Anyone else? Out of fairness, Eric I can't start
this because we're going to go on all night. We'll be going back and
forth.
Eric Rivkin: I want to correct a fact...
Hoffman: It may be that Mr. Rivkin would want to correct that the evening
of the 4th of July, unless I do not know any differently, there was no
mosquito control that was sprayed for that event.
Eric Rivkin: That's not what I want to correct. The July 4th.. .right
about that but according to the MMCD, they did not spray until July 13th...
Ross Green: That's correct, it was not sprayed but the.. .that you're
referring to the larval control program...
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Schroers: The fact of the matter is, there wasn't a whole lot of
mosquitoes aggravating on the 4th of July.
Ross Green: That's correct. There's no question about that.
Eric Rivkin: There's no larval control within the area of Lake Ann...
Schroers: Okay. Well, we're going to have to move on with this issue. Not
being scientists and having extensive and complicated presentations from
both sides of the fence here, we have a fairly difficult decision to make.
First of all I'm going to open, or make available to members of the
Commission, take this opportunity to ask questions of anyone in attendance
here this evening.
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Andrews: I've got some questions for Mr. Green. You may want to take the
mic to h~ve this on the record. I just need some clarification and a
better understanding of what exactly you do. One of my questions has to do
with, as-I'm reading through the material. it talks about fogging and
spraying. Are those two different types of " application?
Ross Green: The word spraying is many times misused. We find many people
talking about spraying. I think of liquids when I hear spray and the cold
fogging is one way of spraying. The backpack treatments that we put on
with peTmet~lTine is another type of spraying but I've also heard our
application of briquettes and the dry materials, the biological materials
we use, also referred to as spraying so it's a misused term. When you hear
cold fogging, that is a spray from a truck mounted unit and it sprays
resmethrine and that's done during the evening time. That can be considered
a spray.
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have to take these things into perspective. Put, them into perspective. T~
material just does not hang around long enough to do anything.
Schroers: Thank you very much for that information. We need to give the
other Commissioners opportunity to ask their questions and move along on
this item.
Lash: If you can briefly answer one question. If this disipates and, I
may be looking at this too, in my simple mind because I'm not a chemist.
I'm not a biologist. But if this disipates in 4 hours, then is it still
effective after the 4 hours when it's supposed to be used?
Dr. DeProspo: No. No.
Lash: You guys spray and then...
Dr. DeProspo: The idea, well okay. You have to understand the concept of
adulticiding. With adulticiding, if it doesn't hit the mosquito while it's
in the air, it's useless. So actually it's the droplets that hit the
mosquitoes while they're in the air that kill the mosquito. Once it hits
the ground, it's ineffective.
Lash: Okay. In my view, it seems that most the mosquitoes are out at
night so how beneficial is this for us to be spraying at 10:00 in the
morning when most of the mosquitoes don't come out until 10:00 at night?
Ross Green: We're not...
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Lash: Well, you're not there at 10:00 at night. You are?
Ross Green: Yes.
Eric Rivkin: You're not spraying resmethrine in the parks. You're
spraying permethrine and you're talking about...
Dr. DeProspo: Yeah, but that's a different type of an application. I'll be
more than happy to talk about permethrine too.
Lash: Okay, but the thing that you were talking about with the 4 hour half
life or whatever.
Dr. DeProspo: Scourge, right.
Lash: It is only beneficial for the 4 hour~ after you treat it and
typically when do you do that?
Or. oeProspo: Well actually it's only beneficial while it's airborn.
Ross Green: It's a fogging operation that's designed. Mosquitoes...are up
and flying after sundown and they're going to be up for a couple of hours
or more, depending on the temperature and the cold fogging operation... ~
make contact with the mosquitoes. If it doesn't, it falls onto the ~
vegetation, it's not going to...anything else.
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~ Lash: Okay, so when do you typically do this?
Ross Green: This is done at sundown. Right at sundown and sometimes very
early in the morning also. Most often at sundown and after sundown for a
couple of hours with the treatment.
Berg: Clarify for me, if I can just interrupt for a minute. Are you doing
that now at Lake Ann and Lake Susan?
Ross Green: No.
Berg: And when was the last time that was done?
Ross Green: Ernie Wermerskirchen and Renee Wagner are supervisor and
foreman.. .in Scott County. Have you done resmethrine treatments?
Renee Wagner: No, we haven't done any this year or last year, but yeah, we
have done resmethrine treatments.
Berg: So when was the last time? 1990?
Renee Wagner: 1990.
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Schroers: Okay, so basically you are just using that for a specific time
period when the mosquito populations are up and you feel that you can
effectively eliminate a lot of adult mosquitoes in a short period of time
and normally it's something that's requested and done in conjunction with a
civic activity of some 'kind?
Ross Green: Most often. Again, we're talking 7 county area where this is
used in various parks and in heavy use park and rec areas. Most often it's
like, for example in Chanhassen area would be for civic events. The night
before the event, we would come in and do that. It's used in tandem with
permethrine. It is the permethrine treatments are generally done 3 oy 4
days in advance if we got mosquitoes. Then over a period of 3 to 4 days
it's anticipated that population, numbers of mosquitoes are decreased. And
if they're still at an intolerable level the night before the event, then a
cold fog operation would then ensue, if conditions were proper and
mosquitoes were still there, we would then treat with the cold fog. So
it's used in tandem with one another.
Erickson: Are we using permethrine now then? What are we using at Lake
Ann and Lake Susan now?
Renee Wagner: Permethrine.
Erickson: Can we hear about that then?
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Dr. DeProspo: Sure. permethrine again is another synthetic pyrethroid.
It's been out for quite a while. Some of the uses other than for mosquito
abatement is, the Army uses it to impregnant in clothing. In uniforms. As
a matter of fact it was used over in Desert Storm. It's for ticks and
fleas and things of that nature. It's actually impregnated into the skin.
We've got some products here, a product called Nix which is a material for
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fleas and ticks on the human body. For hair. It's washed into the hair ~
and into the body for lice and things of that nature. It's a permethrine
material. Product that's available over the counter. Several of the bug
sprays are also used as well in typical type formulations. Permethrine is
basically in the same particular class as resmethrine as far as
toxicologically. As I indicated to you before, there are times at elevated
levels where you can induce tumors at a higher rate than normal. In
particular this is what happened with permethrine. It's considered to be a
Class C occigen. Which means that a Class A occigen is a confirmed human
carcenogen. A Class B occigen is considered to be a suspect human or a
confirmed animal occigen and a Class C sort of is a catch all. You've got
a study with permethrine. The history with permethrine is that there was
seven different studies, long term studies of such. One of them came up
with a higher incidence of liver tumors in female mice out of seven
studies. Because you do have a positive reaction, the EPA cannot ignore it
so they have to put it into some kind of classification. As you can see,
it's used for bodily functions uses. It's used for home and garden type
materials. It's used impregnated in clothing and things of that nature.
The only thing that it is not allowed to be used for is for anything having
to do with food, which would be crop protection type uses.
Lash: So the permethrine is what you've got right now?
Dr. DeProspo: Yes.
Lash: And this is sold over the counter?
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Dr. DeProspo: That's right.
Lash:
And this is what you use in Lake Ann and Lake Susan?
Dr. DeProspo: Well, let's put it this way. Something similar to that. It's
not quite.
Schroers:
correct?
But it's mixed with different compounds and things, is that not
And then as a result of that, may have a different labeling.
Dr. DeProspo: Well the labeling is based on the toxicity of the material.
Lash: Okay. so as far as the levels or your percentage of chemical, is
this comparable to what you use or is your's stronger than this?
Audience: That's lice shampoo is enough to.treat 2,800 square feet of
mosquito adulticide.
Lash: Okay. how about this?
Audience: That's 1%. That's more. That's stronger.
Lash: Okay. Just because I want this on the record, I'm going to read
what the caution is on the back of this label. Do not allow children or ~
pets to contact treated surfaces until spray has dried. Do not allow spra'"
to contact food, feed stuffs or water supplies. Thoroughly wash dishes and
food handling utensils contaminated with this product. Avoid contact with
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__ face, eyes or skin. Avoid breathing vapors or spray mist.
Dr. DeProspo: Right. These are all canned statements. There's a labeling
guideline that's put out by EPA based on the toxicity of the material.
There are canned statements that have to be put on there. There are four
different toxicity categories and based on the toxicity category you have
specific labeling that has to go on.
Berg: Maybe my question was answered. Is the toxicity level in these
greater or less than what you're using at Lake Ann or Lake Susan?
Dr. DeProspo: They're probably less.
Berg: Less than these?
Dr. DeProspo: Yeah. It's safer I would say, based on the amount of active.
Audience: When you're finished using them, the residues of these are
greater.
Schroers: Dave, did you have a comment?
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Koubsky: I guess I don't see the difference whether this stuff's stronger
or less strong than what we use in the parks. I guess I wanted to go back
to resmethrine. I was provided with two studies from MMCD that I found
very helpful, and I appreciate them very much. They were scientifically
based, which the Health Department Study I found wasn't. These were, just
for the record, publications by the World Health Organization in Geneva. -
They're dated 1989. I was a little troubled, and I'm not a toxicologist.
I do have a limited chemistry background. I am involved with environmental
engineering. I understand some of the concepts but some of your quotes,
actually I was very comforted by these studies. Half life of resmethrine
is 41 minutes. That's an anquisis solution which is a pure water, you know
laboratory. These aren't applied in an anquisis solution.
Dr. DeProspo: That should be in air. It's about 31 minutes in an.anquisis
solution.
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Koubsky: Okay. Typically there's about a 98% for the Board. 98%
degregation in soil in 16 days. So what I interpret that is this stuff is
sprayed. If it falls in the soil, it has in 16 days, 98% of it's gone. It
has about 100% degregation on plants in about 5 days. So they can spray
this on and it will work but it's effectiveness diminishes and it seems
like it's basically washed off plants in 5 days which is why I think you
have to keep reapplying. Now this stuff does accumulate in sediments. It
doesn't accumulate in water very well. It doesn't like water. It's oil
soluable. It's like oils floating on water. It does degrade in sunlight
and wind. And it does, according to the EPA, or the World Health
Organization, degrade rapidly. I don't think 16 minutes or 41 minutes is
an accurate interpretation. As far as fish, it does indicate it is
extremely, resmethrine is highly toxic for fish. It has an LD which is a
half dose kill ratio for carp at 44 parts per billion, which is extremely
small. And for perch, it's 2.36 parts per billion which is extremely small
also.
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Dr. DeProspo: Okay, but again, that's for a 4 day exposure.
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Koubsky: Let me finish. Also, it has a study in here in which ponds were
sprayed with resmethrine. It expected field rates for adult mosquito
control which is a 10th of a kilogram for HA, hector or acre.
Audience: About 2 1/2 acres.
Koubsky: Okay. They had caged fish. Bluegills at a 82% to 100% survival
rate. Goldfish at a 73% to 100% survival rate. White sucker fish were
very susceptible and had a 8% survival rate. So it does seem this stuff
can kill fish. I'm not real, and here again I was paging through as you
were going through these facts because I know I had read these.
Schroers: And also, they may be somewhat selective where one species or
one variety of species is more susceptible to the toxicity levels than
another might be.
Koubsky: Yeah, it seems to. It does degrade quickly. It doesn't appear
to be carcenogenic. It has a lot toxicity to mammals, birds and less when
subjected to high doses for long periods of time. But it does accumulate
in the environment. It does accumulate in sediments. It is toxic to
anthropoids which are shell fish and fish, which would be runoff. If this
stuff was sprayed in the rain, and you had a mass runoff to the lake, it
could cause some damage. It seems to be temporary but it isn't by any
means harmless. But it is maybe less toxic than we may want to believe ~
also. There's a median. I think I just wanted to point. I may be
misinterpretting some things here too but.
Dr. DeProspo: Well again, like I said, I think you have to put it into
perspective. Are you going to have, those studies were done where those
specific species were exposed for a certain concentration over a 4 day
period. Or 96 hour LC 50 studies.
Koubsky: I think this was just an application rate over a pond with caged
fish. But I don't want to argue specifics of any study.
Dr. DeProspo: Okay. Well, I can tell you that the majority of the data
are, all of the data that I'm aware of, okay. I don't know what might have
been done in Europe or in other parts of the world but I can tell you
whatever was done in the United States are based on 96 hour LC 50 studies.
Again like I said, that would never, you just couldn't maintain a
concentration that long for it to have that.type of an effect. The other
thing too that I'd like to just touch on veTY quickly is there's some
question about the inert materials. That they're secret and that kind of a
thing. The only secretive thing about these materials is that you know,
being in business. If you have a particular formulation, whether it be ice
cream or whatever. Or a pesticide, and I'm your competitor. I certainly
wouldn't want, you certainly wouldn't want to let me know what you use in
your recipe to make ice cream. Well, that's the same thing with us. We
wouldn't want to tell our competitors what we use as inert ingredients. ~
Only because there are certain materials that for instance can be a little'"
bit safer for the eyes. It guards against eye irritation or things of that
nature which changes the label signification. Okay. Like I said, there
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are specifi categories and toxicity that are driven by the results and that
indicates what kind of a label that you have to put on there. What kind of
precautionary statements. So obviously if you have a material that's a
little safer than the next guys, you would want to buy ours rather than
his. So we wouldn't want to give away what that particular element might
be. I mean you know, resmethrine is resmethrine. Many of the solvents are
the same but if you have something, a mixture or formulation or whatever,
it may be a little better than somebody else's. That's the only reason
that they're "secret".
Lash: Who would be a competitor of your's? You're a government agency
aren't you?
Dr. DeProspo: No, we represent Rousso, the manufacturer.
Lash: Oh, you make the chemical? Oh, okay.
Schroers: Okay, I appreciate your information very much but we need to get
back to answering just specific questions here.
Koubsky: Just for my own point of information here. Are you in essence
saying that what all these warnings that are on this can, the EPA is saying
you've got to put these warnings on there even if, are you saying that
they're not necessarily dangerous?
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Dr. DeProspo: No. What I'm saying is that based on the toxicity of the
material, EPA stipulated these specific warnings should be on the label.
Koubsky: So I should be concerned about what it says on this label?
Dr. DeProspo: Well I think you should be concerned no matter what kind of a
chemical or what material you should use. For instance, they tell you to
keep it out of the reach of children, things of that nature but the LD 50
cf resmethrine is higher than table salt. So if you ate, compared to table
salt which has an LD 50 of 3,000 milligrams per kilogram whereas
resmethrine has one of 4,000 milligrams per kilogram, it still would carry
the same precautionary statement because they're grouped in groupings. So
they're, I mean that's the way it is. And because of that, it would carry
specific precautionary statements for that particular toxicity category.
Dr. DeProspo: . ..We're only allowed to classify chemicals, pesticides,
according to various classifications. This pesticide, resmethrine, like he
says, has a higher LD 50. It's safer to eat than table salt but it's still
a pesticide. We still classify it as caution and those kinds of
warni ngs. . .
Andrews: I have some more questions if I might. These are questions
related to the briquette treatments. I guess my line of questioning is
kind of the same as what I had before. My concerns are about accumulations
of residues. Are we building up a residue or a change in the lakes, the
ponds, the streams or whatever that would tend to change or make it toxic
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Ross Green: I guess Dr. Palchick would like to address that but the way w~
apply them, in terms of lakes, we're not applying them to lakes or streams.
It's a different type.
Andrews: Transient wetlands.
Ross Green: Sure. I mean it does get very technical, even from a legal
standpoint. We call them breeding sites where the mosquitoes develop. . And
one treatment to these areas, these briquettes are designed to dissolve in
water over 150 days.
Andrews: Just as a comment. I'd appreciate you trying to answer the
intent of my question rather than the specific of my question. I felt in
the first round of questions I was given, I think I was given an incomplete
answer based on my lack of ability to ask the right question.
Ross Green: I understand. We work with these materials and these
operations every day and we do get more technical. I'm sorry. We'll try
to address specifically what your question is.
Dr. Palchick: After the last meeting when the question came up about some
of the other materials, about bioaccumulation and what not, we contacted
Keith Solomon who's a toxicologist on our scientific pure review panel
and J asked him that question about the metheprine. His comment was, he
was supposed to fax a letter to us which didn't arrive. That the
metheprine breaks down to basically nutritive products and things that ar~
in the water metabolizes as nutrients. So the breakdown is non-toxic.
That's all the specifics I can give you because I'm not a toxicologist.
Schroers: Okay, thank you. Are there any other questions from other
commission members?
Lash: J have a couple and they're pretty simple. If we were not sprayed
prior to the 4th of July celebration, do you know when the last treatment
was before the 4th of July?
Hoffman: At Lake Ann Park?
Renee Wagner: Last year.
Hoffman: Would have been at Lake Ann Park. The 4th of July celebration
was held at two locations. City Center Park on Friday evening and then
Saturday at the Lake Ann Park. Neither of those locations were sprayed.
Lash: So it had been almost a full year since they had been sprayed?
Hoffman: Correct.
Lash: When they did come through the week of the 13th, you did not receive
notification correct? Was the area posted? This is the posting? Okay.
It hasn't gotten to me yet. So they did do that. Then I have a couple
other questions. One is for AI. AI, you said that even if we chose to op~
out of this program, we'd still have to pay the tax.
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~ Al Klingelhutz: Correct.
Lash: I don't understand that. As a taxpayer now, I just don't get that.
Al Klingelhutz: I don't understand how we got into this mosquito control
business in the first place but I do know that the eastern part of Carver
County is paying the tax and once you're in that district and if you didn't
spray, you'd still, as far as I can understand, you'd still have the same
tax as if you were spraying. Is that right?
Lash: But then why would it make any difference to anybody if anybody opts
out if they keep getting. If everybody in the whole 7 county area opted
out of the program, they'd still have a $10 million budget?
Al Klingelhutz: I don't know if...
Lash: No, but would that happen?
Al Klingelhutz: If everybody opted out, you'd probably find that the
people would be demanding relief within the next year or so because of the
amount of mosquitoes that would be bothering everybody...
(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
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Lash: Well I feel like as a taxpayer, if this is a service that we decide
we don't wish to receive anymore, that I would take it to certain
politicians. I'm not sure who. I'd have to investigate it to demand that
we not have to pay for it anymore. I guess I just feel like that's
ridiculous to have to pay for a service... It just doesn't even make sense
to me. Can you answer that question?
Harold Trende: About a half a dozen, 7-8 years ago this area, half of
Carver County was included in the district by a legislative action. And so
half of Carver County is assessed for the Mosquito Control District. The
other half is not in the district. Carver County contributes less than 1%
in the budget of the Mosquito Control District. ...if there is such a
word, is Hennepin County. They pay for spraying in Western Carver County.
They've been spraying areas of Wright County also the south counties
because of the fact that the mosquitoes will drift 25 to 30 mph on winds.
As far as any area in Carver County, we'll use that as an example. To be
relieved of the taxing authority that's in place, would also take
legislative action. It took legislative action to get us there. It would
take legislative action to get it out of there. I guess, I think what Al
was referring to. If the park areas in th&"Chanhassen district are sprayed
or if they are not sprayed, as far as the bill is concerned it's going to
be the same. I hope that answered.
Lash: Okay, and if we were like Western Carver County and somehow got
legislative action to be removed from it, we'd still get treated but
Hennepin County would pay for it? If they're going Western Carver County.
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Harold Trende: They're doing Western Carver County now. Of course you've
got to realize that Western Carver County has practically no population
compared to the eastern part of Carver County. The...
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Lash: Okay, I think we should have Hennepin County pay for it then.
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Schroers: Good idea.
Lash: And I have one other one. Let me see. Maybe that was the last one,
okay.
Erickson: One quick question. Probably Mr. Green. I think you said last
time that the eradication of the nuisance mosquito was not your goal but
control was. Is that a fair statement to make?
Ross Green: Yes.
Erickson: What do you and the MMCD consider to be control? I mean what
percent of the mosquitoes would you like to be able to control? And what
percent do you control?
Ross Green: Well let me give you a for instance. Because of the treatment
that was made just recently to Lake Ann Park on the 13th. I'll just give
you an indication now. That purpose, as I mentioned earlier, had to do
with reducing the Aedes triseriastus mosquito population which is a vector
of LaCrosse encephalitis and Dave Neitzel can address any questions
regarding that, but we did do that treatment and there were, we found on a
couple different occasions, on 6/25 and on 7/9 we found 4 and 2 mosquitoes
respectively but in those mosquito collections, we also found other
mosquitoes, nuisance mosquitoes along with the Aedes triseriatus and ther~
were like 71 and 624 also found in that and after treatment, we found 0
Aedes triseriatus and 4 of the other species. So there was effective
control that happened. We are trying to minimize the impact of mosquitoes
on the population here. And in pre-treat and post treat counts that are
taken, we can show the reduction to a level that many times in many places
are down to a tolerable level. I read something, this is again something I
picked up in the paper from Winnepeg but one of the Directors up there
mentioned that it was not uncommon last year to find 185 mosquitoes biting
a person in one minute. And I'm not saying that that same situation would
be here in the Twin Cities area but Minnesota and the Midwest are-one of
the capitals of the world for mosquito populations. And if you want a
trivia question in terms of United States were most the mosquitoes are
produced, southern Alaska is the answer. And there are many mosquitoes so
it may be the difference between enjoying what you have now and not being
able to get out your backdoor. But there is data, and we have that
available as to the reduction of those mosquito population numbers.
Erickson: Maybe it's just an...question. Can yoU reduce it to some sort
of percentage for me? Numbers of mosquitoes out there on the worst
situation. Numbers that you're controlling.
Ross Green: I can give you a number in a couple of different programs in
terms of percent control. In our programs they range anywhere from 75% to
90% or more control for the larval control programs and also when many
times in the breeding sites that we have, we get up to 100% control in the~
sites that we have. So in terms of that number, yes. We do have data to ~
indicate significant, significant numbers of mosquitoes reduced. To put
that in your own backyard. What that means and what your immune system's
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4It all about. If you're a kid for example or someone new to the area, you're
going to react differently to mosquito bites and whether your bothered by
them or not is an individual question also. But the data is there to
support the reduction of mosquito populations. And many times those are
down to tolerable levels. That people can enjoy themselves for events and
to enjoy themselves around the park areas and we've had much feedback in
terms of that positive effect.
Erickson: Is it fairly consistent that we haven't had a permethrine
treatment for 11 months? Is that fairly consistent that we still wouldn't
be seeing hoards of mosquitoes?
Ross Green: It does depend on the mosquito populations, there's no
question about that. When we have large numbers of mosquitoes that are
being produced outside of the district and also in areas where there are
mosquito development where we by-pass areas because of only treating the
most prolific breeding areas. The program is long range in that it's
directed towards larval control. We want to control, it's aimed at
controlling the mosquito before it leaves the water so that those
mosquitoes are not going to fly in and bite people and that's the direction
we're headed with larval control. With these environmentally sensitive
materials to do that job.
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Schroers: Okay, thank you. It's very obvious that we have two very
opinionated sides to this issue. I tried, to the best of my ability, since
last meeting to find some unbiased information regarding the activities,
not so much the activities of the Mosquito Control but information
regarding the specific chemicals that are used. I went to an agency called
the Emergency Response Commission. They said thank you for calling but we
don't really have the answers that you need. We'll try to find out for
you. They did call me back and the results from that was, I did get a
phone response from Mr. Green because the Emergency Response Commission
contacted him to try to get the information. I also contacted the
University of Minnesota, Division of Environmental Health, the State
Department of Health, the Minnesota Department of Agriculture, University
Department of Agriculture, and I basically had the same two questions for
all of these. Has a risk management study been conducted regardi"ng the
methods and the types of chemicals being used by the Mosquito Control? And
what exactly are the long term risks to the overall environment and to the
public health. I could get no answers. They just kept referring me from
one agency to the next agency and no one seemed to have the information
that I was asking for. Some of it has been touched on this evening. Mr.
Green brought to our attention that a risk management study is currently
being conducted but that information is not'available at this time.
Ross Green: It's been completed but it's in internal review right now and
shortly that will become.
Schroers: And who conducted that study?
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Ross Green: State Health Department.
Schroers: Oh. It's funny that they wouldn't know about that when I called
but I'm sure that there's a lot of different people in the Health
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Department and maybe I didn't talk to the right one.
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Audience: Part of that information...
Schroers: Okay. And the other question, what exactly are the long term
risks to the overall environment and to public health? All the information
that we've been listening to and have been able to find out amongst
ourselves is that the risk is relatively low. But the bottom line is that
no one has been able to tell me that these chemicals are absolutely not
harmful to anyone now or at anytime in the future. And I guess in this
position, taking the best interest of the residents of the city of
Chanhassen and other people that are going to use these parks, if I don't
know for sure and am positively convinced myself that these procedures and
the products being used are totally, absolutely safe, how can I justify
saying that we should use them. I mean I don't feel that we are in that
position and this is a difficult thing to do.
Dr. DeProspo: Maybe I can help you out a little bit. Okay. This is what I
was trying to get to before and didn't get a chance because I wanted to
work up to this so that I could give you the full background on how this is
worked.
Schroers: Can you be brief with it please?
Dr. DeProspo: Yes I will. What we've done is we've worked out some risk
analysis for both permethrine and resmethrine. The government sets what ~
they call an allowable daily intake, which is now called the reference dos'"
and essentially what that is is it's a dose that's allowed to be taken
internally over a lifetime which will not give you any undue adverse
effects. Okay. Based on those numbers. These are published numbers.
These are numbers that have been in the Federal Register. Okay. Using
these numbers, we put together some risk assessments based on the
treatments that MMCD does. For permethrine. The allowable daily intake is
.05 milligrams per kilogram per day, which means that essentially a 70
kilogram person, okay. It's about 150 pounds. Would be able to absorb,
and that's the key thing. Absorb 3 1/2 milligrams of permethrine a day.
Which is less than the amount on the head of a match. However, this is 3
1/2 grams of material. I just wanted to show you this. This is the amount
of resmethrine that's spread over an acre. Okay, so it's a very small
amount of material. Based on these assumptions, the thermal absorption
you'd be able to essentially roll around on 20 square feet every day for
the rest of your life, bare naked and that, whatever was put on the ground
in that 20 square feet, would be absorbed up into your skin. That's given
the fact that that's all absorbed. If you ~ere to eat the material. Okay.
You could eat essentially the foliage that was sprayed about 3 1/2 square
feet of foliage for the rest of your life every day for the rest of your
life without causing any undue effects. As far as inhalation goes, we
didn't work that out because essentially it's not an inhalation problem.
The droplet sizes that are used are non-respirable. They're too large in
order to get down into the lower lungs where absorption occurs. For
resmethrine, the allowable daily intake for resmethrine is 30 micrograms
per kilogram per day. Again, for a 70 kilogram person, 150 pounds, ~
essentially they could be exposed to a fog as we use for 23 hours a day, -
every day for the rest of their life, assuming they'll live through 70
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years. Let's see. Thermally for resmethrine. From based on studies that
we've done with rabbits. If somebody were to be exposed for 21 days,
repeated exposure for 21 days, essentially they could roll around on 40
acres of treated foliage, presuming that that was absorbed into the body
every day for 3 weeks without any undue harm. Orally.
Schroers: And presuming that you're a rabbit. I mean how does that
translate to humans?
Dr. DeProspo: That is translating to humans. Because it's based on a
weight/weight basis. So if you have a 5 kilogram rabbit, on an average
basis, it's a ratio. So it depends on how much weight. It's the same
amount of material based on a weigh basis.
Schroers: I understand what you're saying.
Dr. DeProspo: Okay. Orally, essentially you would be able to eat 52.5
square feet of foliage that was treated with resmethrine every day for the
rest of your life. That's a pretty big salad. So this is the point that
I'm trying to get to you and putting it in these types of terms.
Schroers: Basically, being brief, your whole point is that, in your
opinion, it is very safe.
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Dr. DeProspo: Yes. I mean these are numbers. I'd be more than happy to
talk over with you. These are based on scientific facts. These are
studies that are down at the EPA that have been approved by the EPA. The
numbers have been published by the EPA. The studies have been published by
the EPA.
Eric Rivkin: Dr. DeProspo, why does the label say that it's highly toxic
to birds and fish?
Dr. DrProspo: Because that's a canned statement that was used a while back
before it was, before you had to put in environmental data. The other
thing is that, as I said before, one of the things that we are fighting is
the fish toxicity. We don't believe it's toxic to fish. We've got data
that's it coming out of the New York Department of Environmental
Conservation that supports our story that it is not in fact that toxic to
fish.
Eric Rivkin: Peter...Zoology at the University of Florida in 1991 did a
study and he concluded Scourge, which is resmethrine, is extremely toxic to
non-target. ..firefly larvae. Are you aware:of that study?
Or. DrProspo: No, I'm not.
Eric Rivkin: Well it's true and it's right in here.
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Schroers: Okay, what's happening here is exactly what we were hoping
wouldn't happen. We are taking up our entire meeting with this issue and
at this point in time, I guess the only thing that I would, are there any
other questions from the Commissioners? If there isn't, the additional
information that I would like to provide is that both the City of
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Minneapolis and Hennepin Parks have opted not to use the adulticide spray~
in their parks. They feel that, I contacted people in those areas and they
feel that any chemical organism that attacks and kills something in the
environment is not necessarily environmentally friendly. I mean it is
toxic enough to kill a particular species and I don't know that we have all
the answers for what's going to happen 10-20 years down the road. I guess
that unless there is objections from anyone on the Commission, I would be
willing to attempt a motion on this.
Koubsky: I think I'd like to make a statement if I could. I did review
all this data and I appreciate people submitting the information. I want
to reassure you that I did review all of it and read most of it and I did
find it very enlightening, specifically the World Health Organization
information. That, I don't think any of the other commissioners had.
That's besides the point but I did read it. I did have a fairly long
dissertation here but I'm not going to go through it and I'm going to go to
my punch line, if that's okay. Again, I would like to thank you for the
information and I do commend the MMCD for using chemicals or compounds that
do appear not to have an extremely adverse effect to the environment. I
know chemicals have changed throughout the t~me and you've done studies.
Other people have done studies. You've listened and you've changed. I
don't again know your history but it seems to be, from what I read, that
the material that you use, based on these guidances, ati least on the short
term, do not have adverse effects on the environment, used at application
rates as prescribed. I guess I'm going to just get into a little
dissertation here. It's just going to last a minute. I am concerned abo~
the health and safety of the residents of Chanhassen. I'm also concerned ~
about protecting the environment of Chanhassen and feel it's our
responsibility to come up with solutions to weigh out human health threats
and environmental threats. My personal feeling is not to go with either of
the options listed by Todd but that we do restrict the use of mosquito
control and adulticides in the city parks. It almost seems to be a
question about why we're discussing it since we haven't used them in parks
for a year anyway. We may be talking about the wrong topic and I'm
assuming larvacides will be our next topic. But I would however recommend
that we request the MMCD to monitor the city parks for all types of
mosquitoes, including the Aedes triseriatus which is responsible for
transmitting LaCrosse encephalitis disease. I don't know if this is
possible but I think a guideline could be established that would provide an
acceptable level of this mosquito in our parks. And if the levels were
exceeded, some type of appropriate treatment should be initiated. I'd hope
that the MMCD would assist the City in establishing these guidelines and
that we would have them in place prior to requesting the MMCD to stop
treatment, and this again would be for a public health concern. In in the
interim I think we would request the MMCD to coordinate with the city, and
I am a little disturbed that we did an application without our knowledge,
but I understand that happens. And I accept your apology. You coordinate
with the city and inform us of their intent whenever they want to use
adulticides in the city parks and give their rationale for doing so.
Possibly mosquito counts which you are aware of. And again to post signage
if applications have been made, which you've done. Again, it's not my
intent to chastise or allienate the MMCD but to work with them to protect ~
our environment and the citizens of Chanhassen. Again, I commend your
cooperation with me in providing me information and I also commend you for
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providing the information that I needed and will look into further. That's
my statement.
Sehroers: Okay, thanks. Mr. Green, one thing. How does Mosquito Control
feel about biological control of mosquitoes versus the chemical control?
Are you active in those areas? Do you feel that removing the breeding
areas. they can be removed on a regular basis? Plugging up tree holes and
doing whatever is possible to encourage biological predators on mosquitoes
to come into the area. 00 you think that that is a valid alternative? Or
maybe not an alternative but something that can be used in conjunction with
and is Mosquito Control interested in pursuing that area?
Ross Green: You're talking about two different things. Susan, would you
like to address the biological aspect because we have a different type of
mosquito here that doesn't...from the larval control standpoint. And Dave
can address the artificial container or site modification part.
Dr. Palchick: Proof of the adult control alternatives, the article that
you just got was in a Mosquito Control publication and it talks about the
bat houses and everything else and gives an evaluation of. ..things for
adult mosquito control. It doesn't give any of them of a very favorable
review.
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Ross Green: There's also an article in the National Wildlife about the
purple martin situation. I don't think there's any doubt that you're
dealing with...treating mosquitoes but there's a palethra of creatures out
there to eat and the insect world is a very dynamic one with many, many
representatives and numbers within that. ..is very questionable as you can
see and for the record.
Dave Neitzel: Regarding the removal of artificial containers, that's
something that we do encourage and I'd like to see more of that happen at
Lake Ann. It's quite conceiveable that if the efforts are kept up to keep
these containers out, the need for the adult mosquito treatment would be
reduced or eliminated. At least as far as Aedes triseriatus mosquitoes go.
Schroers: But is that something that you're program does? Do your people
actually pick up and remove these containers?
Dave Neitzel: Yes. I inspected the park myself and removed over 250 beer
bottles, beverage cans, there was an old rubber boot that was full of
mosquito larvae. If it collects water, those mosquitoes will be in it.
Schroers: Okay, thank you. Thank you veri much. You've answered the
question.
Lash: I have one quick question too in regards to the meeting on the 23rd.
We discussed where the helicopters landing now and I think we were told it
was McKnight Park in Chaska. Is that correct? This isn't really any of
our business but since I work in that area and I'm an employee of the
School District, I'm interested if you received permission from someone to
use that as a site to load?
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Dr. Pelchick: Yeah, the public works. The person in charge of public
works. ..
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Ross Green: Can I just mention one thing that you mentioned and that's the
mixing of materials on the landing sites. There's no mixing that goes on
in these areas at all. What they are is bags of material that are poured
into hoppers is what they are. They're not mixed at all. It's simply a
loading place and it's generally in a park area because there's room to
land and to take off and there's no one around when that happens. So
that's again from a cultural standpoint, an area to land...
Schroers: Okay, thank you very much.
Dr. Pelchick: I found his name. It's Tom Redmond and also we don't load
it during school. This has been after school's out.
Schroers: Thank you very much for all your information. It's time for us
to make a motion on this and I'm ready to do so.
Andrews: I'm ready to take a shot at it. I'll make this as brief as I
can. r don't like swatting mosquitoes any more than anybody else.
However, I sort of have this vision of, if I was driving down a road and I
saw two parks next to each other that were identical in all respects except
one park had mosquito control efforts obvious and ongoing versus a park
without that, my perception is, I would choose the park that to me conveys~
more of a natural setting which is without active control. My motion is ~
that we ban adulticides in the park except for control of disease, which
would include LaCrosse encephalitis and the only time adulticides would be
used in the park would be at specific request of the City. Like for
special events or large gatherings that we have, we could make an advance
notice and request for. That's my motion.
Schroers: Is there a second to that motion?
Koubsky: r guess with that I'd also ask the MMCD to help the City
establish some guidelines for what are acceptable levels of disease bearing
mosquitoes.
Lash: Is this open to review at a later period of time?
Andrews: Any motion is open to revocation or change. I mean that's.
Lash: No, but as part of your motion is t~~t it were to be reviewed say in
the fall of '93 and we would.
Andrews: I guess I would assume this would be reviewed annually because I
think we're going to get some feedback pro or con.
Lash: Can I make a friendly amend~ent that it be reviewed by this Board?
Andrews: Sure. I have no problem with that.
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Lash: In the fall of '93.
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Andrews: Just to clarify Dave on disease control. I said that would not
be limited.
Koubsky: Right.
Andrews: Okay.
Lash: Do you also wish to have City Council review this in respect to more
of the City than just the parks?
Andrews: I think that's beyond what we're here for.
Schroers: In order to make this clear, can we restate this. Reorganize it
and ask for a second and move on it. Then if it fails.
Andrews: Okay, I'll restate it as best I can. I move that we ban
adulticides in city parks except as they...ban. And when was it, 1993.
And that if we were to consider the use of adulticides, it would be at the
specific request of the City and for no other reason in the meantime,
before 1993.
Schroers: Is there a second to that motion?
Lash: Second.
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Andrews moved, Lash seconded to ban adulticides in city parks except for
control of disease, which would include LaCrosse encephalitis. The only
time adulticides would be used in the parks would be at the specific
request of the City, and to review it in the Fall of 1993. Andrews and
Lash voted in favor. pemrick, Schroers and Erickson voted in opposition.
Koubsky and Berg abstained. The motion failed.
Schroers: Okay, can I make an attempt? Okay, I would like to move in
regards to the larval control briquettes. To allow their continued use
providing notification of treatment areas and times are provided. In
regard to the adulticides, I would eliminate their use completely. In
regards to the landing, take off and loading of MMCD helicopter oT, we now
understand that there is not mixing involved but also the accumulation of
high volumes of unneeded chemicals within the confines of the city parks,
not take place. And also, that staff and city actively pursue other
measures of controlling the mosquitoes such as volunteer groups who are
willing to remove breeding site containers, possibly plugging tree cavities
if we find that, and whatever else we can d9 from a community standpoint to
try and help controlling the mosquitoes and' hopefully some point in the
future less chemical may have to be used. And that's my motion. Is there
a second?
Lash: I have to ask for clarification, because it was so long. I got lost
in the middle. What was the second part in regards to the adult mosquito
control?
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Schroers: The adult mosquito control was to eliminate the use of
adulticides. Period.
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Lash: Is this open to review?
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Schroers: No. I would just like to vote on it. This is my motion. I'd
like to ask for a second.
Lash: No, I mean in 1993?
Schroers: Oh, in 1993 yes. It can come back before the commission again.
Okay, is there a second?
Erickson: Second.
Schroers: Okay, all in favor.
Koubsky: Point of order Mr. Chairman. Can we discuss the motion before we
vote?
Schroers: Yes.
Koubsky: Help my in my own mind~ How are your motions different?
Schroers: The fact that with Jim's motion yOU could still use the
adulticide if we requested it or special activities. Is that right? If
it's requested. But who can request it? I mean does it have to be
requested by Park and Rec? Does it have to be requested by City Council?
And I'm trying to be consistent in following suit with other major park ~
programs who have totally, completely disallowed the use of the
adulticides.
Koubsky: And you're talking with, I assume you've done some conversations
with Hennepin Parks for example. What was their rationale for banning the
use? I'm assuming they had the same people give them the same information.
What caused them to vote the way they did? Do you know?
Schroers: I am not authorized to speak on behalf of Hennepin Parks so I
don't feel that I can do that at this point in time. I think there are
other things that come into play when an activity is going on in a highly
used area, people get inquisitive. They say, what is going on. They start
asking a lot of questions. They get very uncomfortable and it could tend
to deter business would be one thing. That is my opinion. That's not
Hennepin Parks speaking. The City of Minneapolis chose not to use
adulticides. They didn't get into specifics. I just asked them if they
are using them. They said no. They felt t~at they were more of a threat,
both as a health hazard and to the environment than the larvacides were and
they chose not to go with the adulticides.
Berg: Did we allow the friendly amendment to have this reviewed in Fall of
1993?
Schroers: Yes.
Lash: And in your motion now, I've forgotten. For the larva. The
briquettes. What did yOU say?
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Schroers: That is for, to allow their continued use providing notification
of treatment areas and times are provided. That they would notify the
city. Let us know that they're going to be there and that they're going to
be treating an area. Any other discussion in regards to the motion?
Schroers moved, Erickson seconded to approve the following regarding
mosquito control in city of Chanhassen Parks:
1. In regards to larval control briquettes, allow their use to continue
providing notification of the treatment areas and times are provided;
2. In regards to Adult Mosquito control Chemicals (Cold Fogging), to
eliminate their use and to re-evaluate the program in the fall of 1993;
3. In regards to the landing, take off and loading of the HHCD helicopter
in city parks, that this practice be prohibited.
4. That staff and city actively pursue other measures of controlling
mosquitoes such as volunteer groups who are willing to remove breeding
site containers, possibly plugging tree cavities if we find that, and
whatever else we can do from a community standpoint to try and help
controlling the mosquitoes and hopefully some point in the future less
chemical may have to be used.
All voted in favor except Koubsky who opposed and Andrews abstained. The
motion carried.
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Schroers:
your time.
It still passes and it goes to Council. Thank you very much for
All your information. We appreciate it.
Lash: Larry, 1 would like City Council, I'd like to ask Todd on this
issue, since this was such a tough issue for us and took up two meetings,
to provide them with maybe more information than they typically get as far
as just our Minutes. Maybe there needs to be a back-up memo. Just
explaining to them what we've gone through. How hard this was for us and
that we did have one nay vote and one abstaining vote and then the
clarification of those votes so that they know that there was some dissent
within our Commission and that it wasn't a unanimous vote. Sometimes those
things kind of slide right through and they don't know all the facts. So
with that I guess I'd ask.
Andrews: I'd like to state my reason for abstaining then, just as long as
we're on the subject. I was hoping we could make a series of motions and
work in smaller pieces rather than one all .encompassing motion and my
reason for abstaining was, although I support virtually the whole motion, I
would have also have wanted to see a band of larvacides as well. So that's
why I abstained.
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Koubsky: WeIll guess my reason for a nay vote is I did agree with the
continued use of the larvacides, which is the first part. As far as the
banning adulticides, 1 thought it was a little premature. 1 would have
been in favor of restricting them, assuring that the MMCD continue
monitoring the parks for disease bearing mosquitoes and if elevated levels
of those types of mosquitoes were detected, that at the request of the
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City, they be allowed to apply adulticides for treatment of those types of~
mosquitoes.
Schroers: For the record?
Koubsky: For the record. That's it.
Schroers: Okay. thank you very much. With that we'll move on to item 3.
LAND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL REVIEW FOR THE OAKS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
Public Present:
Name
Address
Joe Perttu
Tim Anderson
Michelle Erickson
Karen Gramow
Shelly Geske
Cindy Schallock
Mike & Mary Henke
K.D. & R.C. Bohara
Greg Hromatka
790 Santa Vera Drive
7550 Canyon Curve
7441 Canyon Curve
7490 Canyon Curve
7530 Canyon Curve
7501 Canyon Curve
7560 Canyon Curve
7510 Canyon Curve
7580 Canyon Curve
Hoffman: Chairman Schroers and Park Commissioners. I would like to thank
all our residents that stayed through that long dissertation on mosquito
control. I'm going to ask you, is there anyone that didn't sign in? I ask
that they sign in. I would also recommend that if there is anybody due to
scneduling, since the meeting did go so late, that needed to leave and
wanted to make a comment prior to staff's report on this item, that we
would entertain those comments. I'm not sure if there's anybody in that
position. Seeing none. One correction to the report which is before you
and that is on the proposal, first paragraph. That was corrected later on
in the body of your report. This concept is a concept approval of planned
unit development for 15 units ranging from, 15 buildings ranging from 8 to
16 units each and those are the rental units. Not three 16 unit buildings
as stated there. And also nine 8 unit buildings which will be owner
occupied for a total of 240 units on this site with a clubhouse/office.
The entire site comprises 25.29 acres of property zoned R-12, high density
residential district. The project's name is Oak Ponds/Oak Hill. The
applicant is Lotus Realty, Chanhassen, Minnesota. The architect on the
project is Arvid Ellness Architects of Minneapolis, Minnesota. The
vicinity is pretty widely known. It's just west of City Hall here. The
map is somewhat unclear. City Hall...this location. Looking out west
across Kerber Boulevard and to the back side of the west side of the
apartments which are currently there is where this proposal is being made.
Present zoning of the site, being the 25.29 acres is high density
residential. Adjacent zoning is where we're seeing some of the debate
arising out of this concept because to the north the zoning there is sing~
family residential. The south is a general business district and will
eventually be developed into strip mall, commercial, restaurant, that type
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of development. To the east or back towards City Hall it's zoned R-12,
high density residential, again with the existing apartments being there.
And then to the west. again it touches high density residential district.
Comprehensive plan and the comprehensive trail plan are discussed in the
body of your report, which I will go through. Background for the
Commission members which did not go through proposal. The original
proposal for this property and then as well for the members of the
audience. Oak Ponds/Oak Hill/Lotus Realty has submitted application for
the concept review of a planned unit development involving those 240 multi-
family units. The project again consists of 15 buildings which will be
renter occupied and 9 buildings which will be owner occupied. The owner
occupied buildings are to the south. The rental units are to the north.
The plan calls for a central clubhouse including a swimming pool and a
small playground area. This property was the site of a multi-family
housing proposal in 1989, approximately 3 years ago. At that time the
project was reviewed on a number of occasions by the Park Commission. At
that time the project, and then they addressed dedication of 5 acres of
neighborhood park as part of that. That proposal, that recommendation
including those 5 dedicated acres just died because of a lack of movement
on the project. They pulled it off of the planning stage. The proposal
developed raises several issues that need to be addressed by the Park
Commission. They include our park dedication requirements. trail
requirements, and park dedication credits for privately supplied
recreational facilities which they are proposing. The first decision
involves park dedication and requiring land dedication versus the
acceptance of cash in lieu of land dedication requirements. Again. the key
has always been in addressing the issue of land versus cash dedication,
that the availability of existing park facilities meet anticipated needs.
The Chanhassen comprehensive plan identified neighborhood parks that have a
normal service area of 1/4 to 1 mile. In the vicinity of this proposed
development, Chanhassen has five existing parks within 2/3 mile of the
site. They include Lake Ann Park to the west. City Center Park to the
east, Chanhassen Park to the northeast. Meadow Green Park to the north and
Lake Susan Park directly south. From the perspective of the location.
these parks can easily accommodate the neighborhood park needs of the
proposed project. All these sites will be accessible to Oak Ponds/Oak Hill
residents via the existing end plan trail system. Therefore. it is
unncessary to consider the acquisition of additional parkland to serve the
plan development. In regards to park fees. Chanhassen's current park
dedication requirement is $440.00 per unit for multi-family. Therefore
this project consisting of 240 units would generate a total park fee of
$105.600.00. The second issue pertains to trails. The city's
comprehensive trail plan shows an off street trail along Powers Boulevard
to the west of this site. When the previous project was reviewed in '89.
this trail was to be accommodated within a new 20 foot easement along
Powers Boulevard. Trail construction in this area will be difficult due to
the width of the existing right-of-way and the adjacent topography which
drops sharply to the east. Despite this fact, this segment is an important
link in the Chanhassen's overall trail system. Construction of that trail
will require close coordination with Carver County as it is a county road.
The developer will be responsible for estimating the cost of this trail
segment and for it's construction. Upon submitting their cost estimate,
the city will review that and we will make a recommendation to the City
Council to reduce trail fee dedications accordingly. The proposed plan
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also calls for a 6 foot wide bituminous trail running from Powers Boulevar~
on the west to Kerber Boulevard on the east. The trail is located along
the north side of the existing stand of oak trees. It would be at the base
of the hill there. The construction of this trail section is not being
advocated. Although it would be a beautiful addition to the city's trail
system, the trail dedication requirements of this PUD will likely only
provide the necessary funding for the more important Powers Boulevard trail
segment. The plan also calls for sidewalks along the new dedicated streets
that pass through the central portion of the project. An additional
sidewalk connection is shown linking the rental units on the north side of
the street to the proposed sidewalk. Oak Ponds/Oak Hill has a trail
dedication requirement of $35,280.00 based on the current fee of $147.00
per unit. Since the Powers Boulevard trail is an important part of the
overall trail system, the City should require the developer to construct
this trail segment in exchange for the corresponding reduction in trail
fees. There's a question of park dedication credit. Should the city give
any credit for that private development of a swimming pool and a small play
yard? Park dedication credit involves the issuance of full or partial
credit for the construction of private recreational facilities in this
particular case. To the degree that it's applicable, park dedication fees
could be reduced by an amount representative of the expenditures that would
otherwise need to have been made by the City to provide recreational
facilities. Oak Ponds/Oak Hill includes a swimming pool and playground
area. Are these facilities worthy of park credits? In the case of the
swimming pool, it is an attractive amenity for the project's residents. It
is not however a normal amenity of a neighborhood park. Chanhassen
residents currently can use Lake Ann for their swimming activities. ~
Therefore, the inclusion of a private swimming pool does not have direct
impact on the city's supplied recreational facilities and is therefore not
a candidate for park credit. The playground is proposed on this site
because of the density, 240 units. Anywhere from 400 to 600 to 700
residents of that area. A playground is appropriate and we commend the
applicant for at least trying to approach meeting the needs that will be
generated there. Since the playground is located in open space that is
required as part of the PUD, the planned unit development, as part of that
application the developer receives some leniencies as part of the
development for leaving the oak stand. When you come in for a PUD, they
have to bend over backwards to do some things for the city. Not clear
cutting those trees, not disturbing that open space just to the north of
the site but they cannot so call double dip. They cannot receive credit
for that open space as part of the PUD and then receive credit again as
part of park or trail dedication requirements. A credit for supplying the
actual equipment also has no merit. Play equipment is commonly supplied on
a private basis to accommodate the daily needs of children, single family
homes and multi-family developments commonl~ have a swingset or play
structure in their own backyard. Is Oak Ponds/Oak Hill any different?
Again, the developer should be commended for including that, however it is
not a candidate for park credit. Based on these findings, it is my
recommendation that the City accept full dedication, park dedication amount
of $105,600.00 in lieu of land dedication. Again that would be collected
at the time of building permit application. Presumably they will phase
this development and would pay that in a phased approach as well. Two, t~~
developer of Oak Ponds/Oak Hill supply a 20.foot easement along Powers ~
Boulevard and construct that 8 foot wide bituminous trail. The trail
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dedication requirement fees will then be reduced appropriately to offset
that expenditure. And three, to reiterate the inclusion of the private
swimming pool and playground, do not diminish the need for community
supplied recreational facilities and therefore no park credit will be given
for the provisions of these items.
Schroers: Very good, thank you Todd. We will now take comments from the
residents of the area. Before we do that, I'd like to ask that if a number
of you are here in a group in support of the same issue, if you would pick
one representative to come up and make your statement rather than every
individual having to get up and say the same thing. It would help move the
process along a lot better and eliminate some unneeded paperwork. So with
that if anyone wants, would wish to address us on this issue, we would be
happy to take your comments now. Please for the record, state your name
and address.
Tim Anderson: ~i, my name is Tim Anderson. I reside at 7550 Canyon Curve,
which is on the middle or west pond in the Saddlebrook development. My
concern is the trail that is not being advocated by the city staff. I'd
like that on record that it, I do not want to see it be built because first
of all, we built, that trail is not part of any regional trail development
that is on your trail maps. And building there, I built there knowing that
there wasn't going to be a trail there. I'm now fining that a trail, there
is a possibility that a trail may be built there sometime in the future, so
my concern is that that trail, even though it's not advocated by the city
staff at this time, I'd like some guarantees that it will not be built in
the future after some time. You know after this project's been approved.
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Schroers: Okay, I don't know if there's anyway that that can be
guaranteed.
Koubsky: The trail wouldn't be on any actual parkland. It would be on
their land.
Tim Anderson: what type of process would the developer go through if for
some reason they wanted to build it in the future?
Hoffman: If they chose to make a presentation to the City that they would
want to construct that trail, at their own cost and on their own, it would
have to review that with the City's Planning Commission, the Park and
Recreation Commission and the City Council to have that approved.
Tim Anderson:
build on that?
point?
What would happen if the City in the future would want to
Would they have an opportunity to build a trail after some
Hoffman: Not unless the city recommended that we take an easement for
future trail construction. Upon reviewing this application and not taking
the opportunity, we would not have that opportunity in the future without
an easement.
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Tim Anderson: I'd like to have it on record too that there is adequate
east/west access between Kerber and Powers Boulevard either via the newly
constructed road as part of this development, which will have two sidewalks
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north of this development.
And also the sidewalk on Saddlebrook Curve
Thank you.
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Schroers: Thank you. Is there anyone else that would like to speak on
this item?
Mike Henke: My name is Mike Henke. I live at 7560 Canyon Curve which is
approximately right inbetween those two ponds. I guess I don't understand,
is the bitminous path private or will that be a city owned path?
Schroers: If we acted on it, it would be a city owned path.
Mike Henke: If they put it in then it's their's and it would be a private
path?
Hoffman: Typically, you're speaking of the trail along Powers?
Mike Henke: No, the one that goes.
Schroers: Through the development along the bottom.
Hoffman: If that was developed by the City, the City would require an
easement and then it would be the City's trail.
Mike Henke: At this time...by the developer to be put in?
Hoffman: It was proposed by the developer but again, it would be my
opinion that they're not going to come back to the city and propose since
we are not advocating it. That they would like to build it.
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Mike Henke: Thank you very much.
Schroers: Can we assume that the developer offered to build that trail
because, for that reason he may have, it may have been cheaper than for the
other portion of the trail that we're asking for and that he was looking
for some economic advantage for proposing to install that trail?
Hoffman: No, r don't believe that to be true. I believe the reason they
proposed it is simply because it's a bituminous pathway is different, it's
a different experience than a sidewalk along a road. And for residents of
the area and residents of that development, it would be a pleasant walk to
be able to leave their residential unit, walk along the sidewalk and walk
down behind these ponds on that bituminous trail. I believe that was the
reasoning for their proposing the trail.
Schroers: Okay, another question. Is the conservation easement that we
had in that area, does that impact on that proposed trail at all? And in
fact, is that easement still in effect?
Hoffman: The conservation easement? As it deals with the hillside and the
oaks. Again, that would be a planning issue. I can't address that
directly. Which trail are yOU questioning would have an impact on that? 4It
The one on Powers?
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Hoffman: The other one?
Schroers: Yeah.
Hoffman: A trailway is often a permissible use.
Schroers: Within a conservation easement?
Hofman: Within a conservation easement, correct.
Schroers: Okay, thank you. Is there anyone else? Yes sir.
Bob Bohara: The report says that the 5 parks in there provide enough.
What's the current useage of the parks and projected with the kind of
growth that Chanhassen is getting? By the way I'm Bob Bohara. I live at
7510 Canyon Curve. It says it's sufficient?
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Hoffman: The parks which are located within 2/3 of a mile are a variety of
park sites. They encompass community park sites, Lake Susan and Lake Ann
which provide the highest density of park type uses of any park within the
city. Then there is Meadow Green Park which is a typical neighborhood park
providing a ballfield and play equipment. Chanhassen Pond Park which
provides a somewhat different experience with a natural setting and a turf
trail encompassing the pond which is there. And then City Center Park
which is again a community park. Very active. Utilized by the majority of
the youth programs within the city so as far as, from a useage standpoint,
I would say these 5 parks see a very high percentage of the use which we
experience in our park system. I'm not sure if, your question wasn't real
direct so.
Bob Bohara: The question was, you're going to add 500 to 700 people and
you say that the parks can adequately handle that.
Hoffman: Correct.
Bob Sohara: Currently, there's some kind of carrying capacity to a park
system before you start, either damaging the experience for people or
damaging the environment or whatever. How close to that are we currently
and what will adding 700 people do to that? For those five parks.
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Hoffman: For those five parks, I do not believe the addition of this unit
is going to overpopulate, downgrade the experience of utilizing those
parks. The city standard for parkland, which is high among metropolitan
communities, because of the concern in Chanhassen for preserving open space
and recreational features, is 1 acre per 75 residents. We currently have
more land in our park system than necessary for our present population. I
couldn't forecast when we're going to outgrow our current acreage of parks
and when the city would have to acquire more parkland. Obviously as the
city grows, this commission and the City Council addresses each development
proposal and will be acquiring land, additional parkland as our population
grows. So to directly answer the question, there would be no adverse
impacts on the five parks which are mentioned because of this development.
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Lash: The only one I would have a little concern over I guess would be
maybe City Center because I envision this to be a place where there'd be
lot of children and I think we're starting to see that City Center is
getting at capacity for structured activities isn't it? For ball teams.
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Hoffman: Correct.
Lash: Which then we've got Bandimere on line hopefully to be developed so
that would take care of it but.
80b Bohara: Do you measure...
Hoffman: No, we do not have any data which would say.
Bob 8ohara: No, this is a ballpark. You haven't done a study or
anything.. .five parks and it's adequate?
Hoffman: Correct.
Lash: We have done for Lake Ann, City Center and Lake Susan the amount of
useage for structured baseball activities and soccer. Things like that so
there is information on that.
(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
Lash: .. .we can tell you how much the ballfields are used everyday by the~
amount of time all the ballfields are used for structured activities but ~
the unstructured things, I don't think we have any.
Andrews: The comment I wanted to make was that the per capita, or the
persons per acre standards are studied and established by State and City
organizations and civic engineering groups so that we're not just picking a
number out of the sky as to what we think is an adequate number of people
or adequate number of acres per person that we need for Chanhassen and
we're far exceeding what is actually recommended for growing cities.
Sob Sohara: That's overall...you have basically a concentrated are of
people and a park here. Whether it's for this area or...
Andrews: My comment to that would be, that this particular development
would be more centrally located to more parks than most areas in the entire
city and that if yoU were to say that this was an inadequately served area,
then I guess I would state that that would mean that other parts of our
city are even more dramatically under serve~. And there's no denying the
fact that if you take an existing park system and add 700 more people to
it, that in some way that must, by definition degrade the potential
experience for the original sample population. However, I think it still
provides a very good park system for all our citizens on an average basis
and that's really the only way we can deal with it. We can't build one
acre of park next to every 75 people because we would have a park that
would be useless for certain activities. And we have unfortunately limited
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8e,g: How extensive is the playground area Todd, do you know that the
develope, is putting in?
Hoffman: I have no detailed information to date.
Schroers: Can we save ou, discussion until after we take the audience
presentation. Then we can hash all this out.
Joe Perttu: I'll make this real brief. My name is Joe Perttu. I live at
790 Santa Vera Drive in Chanhassen here, which is right directly across the
street f,om the proposed development. And I'd just like to make a few
comments. I'd like to see a concentration on a more local park basis.
There's a lot of small kids in the development as well as the surrounding
homes and I'd like to see a concentration where perhaps they could be
requi,ed to have a small set aside park for kids. I don't see Lake Susan
Pa,K as being a real adequate option for people because it's a 3,500 feet
from the development, yet they still have to cross number 5 to get there. I
mean that's 3,500 feet by the way the crow flies. As well as Lake Ann
Pa,k. That might be an option fo, them as well but that's still down
number 5 again. So I see most of these people walking ove, and using the
Chanhassen elementary park which is basically used 9 months out of the
year, 8 hours a day and I think it's probably over populated at that time
and I don't think these people can ,eally come over there and use that
during those hours. So anyway, my comments being brief enough, I'd like to
see them be ,equi,ed to have a local pa,k there to serve all the little
kids and stuff that would need it. Thank you.
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Sch,oe,s: Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Do we have input from the
Commissioners? Questions.
Koubsky: Regarding the trail issue Todd, it's my understanding that we are
not, we a,e p,oposing to set aside along no,th/south along Powers? Is that
co,rect?
Hoffman: Correct. We are proposing to require the developer to construct
that 8 foot bituminous trail segment.
Koubsky: Cor,ect, and we're not willing to give any trail credits for the
east/west trail along the wetland?
Hoffman: Correct.
Lash: Which we're not requiring.
Hoffman: Which we're not advocating.
Lash: And in your recommendation it doesn't say anything about the
sidewalk on the thru street.
Hoffman: As the commission has discussed at great length, the Park and
Recreation Depa,tment or Park Commission will no longer address sidewalks.
That will be addressed as part of planning review. Sidewalks will not be
permitted as for trail fee credit.
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Erickson: Todd, has this plan been approved by the Planning Commission? ~
Hoffman: This plan has gone through the first stage of review at the
Planning Commission.
Koubsky: Has it gone to the City Council?
Hoffman: No, it has not.
Lash: Did you say in here the size of the playground that they were
proposing?
Hoffman:
be able
for the
such as
No, Commissioner 8erg questioned in that regard as well. You may
to get an idea of the size by looking at the area which is proposed
playground. I would assume that it would be a typical structure
we put in a neighborhood park. $15,000.00 to $30,000.00...
8erg: The development that's already there along Kerber. The little area
they have there, that could no way be described as a playground area could
it? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Hoffman: In the existing apartments?
8erg: Yeah. The swing and whatever. Is that a playground area?
Hoffman: Again, the developer of that project elected to put that ~
equipment in. It's not considered a neighborhood component. It wouldn't'"
be considered that. It would meet some of the needs of this new
development, no.
8erg: 8ut what I'm asking is, if they're calling that a playground area,
that's not going to have any effect at all on the park. I mean that's not
going to help at all in terms of reducing numbers.
Hoffman: On this proposal?
8erg: If the one that they're proposing is similar to the one that's
already there in the existing apartments, that's so small that it doesn't
really count for anything.
Hoffman: Correct. It would meet the immediate need of a 10 to 15 to 20
minute playtime. Inbetween normal activity when you would typically not be
planning an excursion for a park for an hour or better of recreation.
That's simply a filler so to say.
Lash: So would this park site and the equipment on it then be maintained
by the developer?
Hoffman: Correct.
Schroers: This would not be at all a city park and therefore would not
give the developer credit for any fees. Seeing that this development is e
within the use of service area of 5 of our better parks in the city, this
is a golder opportunity to accept $105,600.00 in lieu of land dedication
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that we can use to develop. Purchase play areas or whatever we decide to
do in other parks that need upgrading and we don't have funding for. What
the developer does with his swimming pool and his play area, that's a
selling point on his part and he should not receive credit for that from
us.
Lash: I agree with that but we also, by not glvlng him credit then for it,
how do we know that he's going to do it. Is there some guarantee that he's
going to do it?
Schroers:
correct?
Well they'll be bringing in the plat for our review, isn't that
Didn't you say that this was a permit for plat revi~w?
Hoffman: Correct. If they propose that they're going to build that and
then it's approved by the City Council and they don't come through with it,
as part of the development contract we would have recourse back against the
developer.
Koubsky: I guess my thought too along Larry's line is, we do have the
elementary school there. We did put in phase 1 to that totlot or play
area. There are two additional phases that we would like to see go in and
currently don't have the money to do. This may allow us some money to put
in another phase or two. At least put that into a schedule where as the
population grows, and there is more demand on the elementary park or City
Center Park, the play structure there also growing in response and can
handle additional.
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Berg: I guess I'd like to see that but I'd also like to see Meadow Green
added to that list.
Schroers: Yeah, I mean this money will pretty much go into the general
park fund and we can decide you know. As a matter of fact, later on the
agenda when we get to, what is it on here?
Hoffman: Capital Improvements?
Schroers: Yeah, the capital improvements. I mean we can identify sources
for those funds there and also park acquisition fund. Parkland acquisition
fund. There's all kinds of uses for it so this is just an opportunity for
us to, just a perfect scenario to get some much needed capital in the park
and ree system.
Erickson: I'm hearing a real concern that the numbers are going to really
explode and be a detriment to the existing 5 parks that we're talking
about. I guess I'd like to see us keeping a close watch on that to see if
the population in those parks is going up to the point where they need more
equipment, etc.. Maybe we do have to look at that in terms of our
improvement plan.
Koubsky: I would hate to start a precedence at this stage.
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Koubsky: Or allow credits for any apartment or multi-family housing
development to put up a swingset and then come to our Commission and ask
for a credit for that because we've set a precedence.
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Schroers: I think we'd be premature at this point to identify what we want
to do with the funds from this development.
Serg: I'd say, let's just watch it. What's happening with the numbers and
if they're changing, then we can act.
Schroers: Good.
Hoffman: Chairman Schroers, to address a question by Mr. Bohara. In
regards to the 1 per 75. One acre per 75 residents, which is again a very
liberal standard. The City of Chanhassen has chosen to set itself a high
priority for park requirements. If we take a look at the 200 acres which
makes up those 5 park locations, we split that in half. Say 100 acres of
that is active park area. Those areas would service 7,500 residents under
our current formula. So again, this could be one of the most park rich
areas which you could identify in the city at the current time. As far as
the applicant, I'm not sure if anybody's here. Mr. Brad Johnson voiced
that there would probably not be anyone representing the applicant here
this evening. In regards to park credit on their side of the issue, they
did not question the application of park fees. Initially however, today
they did call back and had some questions in that regard. I reconfirmed e
the City's position that no credit will be considered.
Lash: Do you feel like your question or concern was addressed? I'm not
exactly sure that I know what it was specifically.
Bob Sohara: You said that it serves 7,500 people but you have't been able
to tell me how many people actually do use it. Is it 2,000? 7,500 now?
Koubsky: What's the population of Chanhassen?
Hoffman: Current population is 12,000.
Bob Sohara: You have a generous allowance for parkland. How are we doing?
Schroers: There are times when there are scheduled programs and activities
going on that the parks are busy. Then there are other times when there's
barely a soul in them so I mean, it's just really depends. But if you
wanted a day to day, running number of attendance in the parks or how many
people attend the park on a weekly basis or a monthly basis, all total, a
grand total of people involved in structured programs and then just walk
on's, I mean we wouldn't have that information.
Koubsky: I guess though just from personal experience, I live south of
TH 5 in the Lake Susan Hills area. I've got a 4 and a 6 year old. I go
over to Lake Susan after school, or after dinner. I go up to the ~
elementary school. Lake Ann. I utilize the area and there's really never'"
that I see, an overcrowding where my kids can't get on and either get on a
swing or do whatever they want. Even during T-ball, which my boys were
involved with this year. One boy you know is actively playing at the
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elementary school while the other one was playing T-ball. And there
wasn't an overabundance of kids where they couldn't have fun. So I
actively use all of these parks and I don't see an overcrowding. We don't
have numbers and I think once we start to experience overcrowding, then
people like yourself and myself will start coming to these meetings and
saying, hey it's getting a little bit crowded. I'm not sure, well. We
have to plan ahead of time but I haven't personally experienced an over
crowding.
Resident: I'm curious. ..parks. That is a park area but there are, there's
no playground equipment in that particular area, right?
Schroers: Right.
Resident: So why not propose meeting that park area when you've leaving it
alone? Leaving it sit as is? Or again is that because the city would not
receive any tax on open land?
Schroers: Well which area are you talking about? The entire development?
Or the small park within the development?
Resident: I think she's talking about the ponds and the oak trees and
stuff. Why we wouldn't acquire that and turn it into a Chanhassen Pond
type of development.
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Greg Hrometka: Well I heard before, my name is Greg Hrometka. 7580 and
about, as a conservation easement. Maybe that's not within your domain but
is it possible to have that specified and defined. Clarified and quantified
sort of area. For a future.
Hoffman: It certainly is, and again a conservation easement is a planning
zoning issue.
Greg Hrometka: Yeah, I realize that.
Lash: You're talking about the area along the ravine there?
Resident: Yeah, exactly.
Schroers: So what you would like to see that area similar to Pond Park
where, what we call that is a passive or an inactive use park and basically
it's left alone but there is a trail running through Pond Park that people
can walk on but it's not like a play area.
Resident: As long as you are an abled bodied person though, correct?
Koubsky: Correct.
Lash: Pretty much.
Schroers: Unfortunately.
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Shelly Geske:
Canyon Curve.
My name is Shelly Geske and we're currently building at 753
We're not even in our home as of yet but I, along with
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several other residents in our particular area, especially on Canyon curve~
when we bought this particular lot of land, we were told specifically by
our realtors and specifically by the city that, actually I was under the
assumption that the City of Chanhassen owned that particular area.
Everything west of the hill. That the City actually owned it so what I'm
saying is that I would like to just see that everything west, I'm sorry
north of the hill would be just left alone and leave it in it's natural
setting as is Chanhassen Pond Park or whatever it is down the road. I do
realize that they do have a trail running through there but I guess in my
own person opinion, I'd rather see a trail running through there and have
people walking back 200 feet from my backyard than looking at 40 foot tall
buildings. I mean I know that's not your area but especially those two
buildings that are sitting adjacent to Kerber Boulevard that are farthest
north. I mean they are very large buildings and they're sitting very much
in the open. And I guess that's a real concern of mine. I'd just as soon
that that's an alfalfa field right now. I'd just rather see that sit there
empty and of course I understand the City would rather have the cash to
develop the other parks but.
Schroers: Well I don't think that that's an 9ption at this point. The
City does not own that land. The developer I believe owns it and as long
as he falls within the criteria of the various codes and zoning regulations
and that sort of thing, he can build his development and we can't really
prevent that. It would be nice if the entire area was a park and there was
no houses developed but unfortunately that's not reality.
Andrews: Todd, just one comment. Since this is a PUD, your concern shoul~
be brought to the Planning Commission. That's your chance to maybe alter
that site plan.
Shelly Geske: Well, certainly we were at the Planning Commission in full
force 2 weeks ago and our voice was certainly heard and as it will be
again.
Andrews: That's really the only place you could have an impact like you
were trying to make on the development.
Shelly Geske: Alright, thanks.
Schroers: Thank you.
Hoffman: In response to that overall type of question. The area where the
oak trees and to the north is currently being planned to be left in it's
present state. I could advocate, or I don't believe anyone at the city
level would advocate pursuing acquisition of that. Taking it off the tax
rolls and then not gaining the park fees. We're simply not gaining
anything for the extreme loss which would be experienced.
Schroers: Okay. If there are no further questions or comments on this
issue, is someone ready to entertain a motion?
Andrews: I could do it. My motion is following exactly along the ~
recommendations of staff which is that the City accept full park dedication
in lieu of land dedication. We accept full fee and that we do require the
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20 foot easement along Powers Boulevard and construct an 8 foot wide
bituminous trail. Trail dedication fee should be reduced to offset the
expenditure for trail construction, and that we do not offer any credit for
the private development of any swimming pool or playground area within the
development itself.
Schroers: I will second that.
Andrews moved, Schroers seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommend to approve the following for the Oak Pond/Oak Hills PUD
Development:
1. The City accept full park dedication fees in the amount of $105,600.00
in lieu of land dedication.
2. The developer of Oak Pond/Oak Hill supply a 20 foot easement along
Powers Boulevard and construct an 8 foot wide bituminous trail. Trail
dedication fees should be reduced to offset the expenditure for the
trail construction.
3. The inclusion of the private swimming pool and playground area do not
diminish the need for community supplied recreational facilities.
Therefore, no park credit will be given for the provision of these
items.
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All voted in favor and the motion carried.
Schroers: with that, I'm going to be leaving and turning item 4 over to
Mr. Andrews.
DISTRIBUTION OF THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN PARK INVENTORY. REVISED APRIL. 1992.
Hoffman: Item 4 is distribution of the City park inventory, revised April
of 1992. Would you hold everything together so you have one document which
includes all park plans. If there's not a park plan, then it includes an
enlarged copy of the. ..map so you can get an idea of the configuration of
the park. And then the manual includes all of the inventory sheets which
are updated annually. In the report.
Andrews: That's strictly advisory then for us? No action needed.
Hoffman: No action needed. I presume we'll be using that document in
formulation of the CIP.
Andrews: I appreciate this. This is a lot of help. Good resource.
Koubsky: This was a great document Todd.
Erickson: Todd, is this something that the public can pick up too? I mean
if they came in to make a request.
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Hoffman: They could certainly look at one. We would have to tag on a cost
if we started.
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Erickson: Okay, if they wanted one printed up.
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Berg: This really helps in answering questions. Terrific.
Erickson: Did you guys make these tables with your computer system?
Hoffman: Certainly. We didn't but the office pool.
SECOND QUARTER PARK AND TRAIL FEE REVENUE REPORT. ENDING 3UNE 30. 1992.
Hoffman: I've requested the park and trail fee revenues which are being
accumulated by the city. Those figures are being brought down to the Park
Commission for your information in formulating the budget positions, etc..
Second quarter of the year, which is April, May and June is past leaving
the City with collected fees of $95,644.94, both in park and trail fee
revenues. This figure represents 65. almost 66% of our budgeted figure of
$145,000.00. It puts us ahead of last year by 16% with 50% of our year
expired. Again, that is solely due to the signing off on the permit for
the Market Square development. The Americana Bank, which you see going up
currently and then Mail Source out in the Business Lakes commercial site,
industrial site. We were behind last year at this time by 10%, to give you
a perspective. Last quarter we had $26,611.00 so we've made significant
increases. In regard to expenditures, the department has been very
conservative to date. Our expenditures under 410 total $8,748.00. We had
a carry of equipment from last year which that we did not have to go out
and pursue the purchase of equipment early in January-February of this ~
year. That equipment is now, installation of that equipment has now been
finished up. You saw the piece go into South Lotus. There was a piece at
Rice Marsh. The Sunset Ridge play equipment is going in. The backstop
will be going in at Curry Farms and at Sunset Ridge so we're getting to the
point now where we'll be ordering our new equipment for 1992. Then there's
a detailed budget breakdown, if you have any questions on that. The back
page.
Lash: I have a question on the carryover of equipment from last year.
I guess I just don't understand how we did that. I mean if we had budgeted
money, say we had budgeted for this year to spend $10,000.00 or something
at Rice Marsh for new equipment. Well we just happened to have the
equipment sitting around? Or we didn't order it or what are we doing?
Hoffman: These pieces that were held over were included in the 1991 CIP.
They were ordered in the spring of the year. Received in the spring of the
year. Due to the workload which we experienced with the extensive wet
season and the amount of grass to be mowed," we got started in capital
improvements late in the year. Then we got hit with the City Center Park
project which we had to install with city staff because of some of the
bidding regulations. That tied up 3 weeks there. The snow finally hit and
we were out trying to seed Lake Susan Hill Park and.
Lash: Well I understand that the work load could get backed up. I'm
trying to figure out how we didn't spend the money that we had budgeted fO.
this year for equipment that we were supposed to have bought this year.
Did we not order equipment?
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Hoffman: Oh, we have not order equipment yet because we have this, why
order it and take the money out of our.
Lash: Right, because we couldn't get it installed?
Hoffman: And stockpiling it, correct. But now we're nearing that point.
We'll be ordering the Herman Field piece of play equipment and other
things. We'll be addressing that in the next two issues.
Lash: Okay. I understand. I just didn't. I thought we weren't getting
whatever it was we were supposed to be getting in '92.
Hoffman: No. That would make people unhappy.
Lash: Right.
1992 PARK ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET
AMENDMENT. ATHLETIC FIELD IRRIGATION - LAKE ANN PARK.
Andrews: Alright, then this one item 6 which I think will explain what
we've done so far.
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Hoffman: Item 6 is an important item obviously. It's asking for the
expenditure of approximately $60,000.00 out of our 1992 CIP, which has been
formulated to date. It's requesting a budget amendment as part of that
CIP. We can get into that in detail. Before that I would like to run you
through the series of events which has brought us to this point. If I
instill you the severity of this problem that we're experiencing at Lake
Ann, I can't impress upon you enough that that city staff, both Dale
Gregory who I asked to be present here this evening and myself, have tried
to coordinate solutions to the current field condition problems at Lake Ann
for a number of years. Two years. Over 2 years to be exact. Ever since
this project was accepted and we simply have not gotten anywhere. We
brought out the turf specialist which formulated the recommendations which
you currently have before you. Fields 4, 5 and 6, which are the new
softball fields and the soccer field, are not in reasonable condition to
play athletic sports right now. We know that from a staff's perspective.
We hear it on a constant basis from the people utilizing the park. It's
our second full year of activities out there. They've improved somewhat
over the last year and due to some overseeding efforts and that type of
thing, we see intermittent times when the grass is better but it's just not
taking as it should. For those of you who did not follow or were not part
of the development, Lake Ann had started in '87-'88. Or excuse me, the
development of the addition to Lake Ann. ~he ball fields. The referendum
passed. City planned for development of those fields. In '89 the
construction was partially complete. Fall seeding of the fields did occur
that year during '89. That was a drought year throughout that summer, as
you recall. Winter of '89 we had just about no snow. You could watch the
dust bowl occur at Lake Ann. Not only did all the seed blow away, but we
had dirt drifts along the fence lines that were noticeable to the eye from
TH 5. Spring of 1990 brought some rain and we had extensive erosion on the
fields before of their lack of cover. Summer of 1990 the fields were
regraded. Again, we had somewhat drought c9nditions experienced and
suffficient germination did not occur. Went back to the contractor again.
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had them reseed the fields again. At that time we had to do a, the City ~
had to entertain an agreement with the contractor that he would be paid for
a portion of the seed to reseed them a third time. So the fields were
regraded and then seeded in the fall of 1990. And then in the spring of
1991 we began play. To present all our comments received on the new fields
have been negative. The comments received on the former Lake Ann Park
ballfield area were certainly all positive. Anybody who visits the park
will tell you that Fields 1, 2 and 3 are some of the nicest ballfields in
the metropolitan area. You can't get better. However, 4, 5 and 6.. .you
find in the metropolitan area. There are specific reasons for that. It
has to do with the age of the existing fields. They're 22 years old. They
were seeded with very different seed than what is being used on the new
ballfields. ..another grass which are very drought resistant. They are very
tolerant to foot traffic. They were the seeds which were used back then
for athletic fields but in today's age with everybody liking nice, lush
green, thick athletic fields, you come in with your bluegrasses and other
seed mix. They're excellent grasses but they like ideal growing conditions
which we do not have. We have heavy clay. And they like water on a
routine basis. Then they will grow absolutely beautiful for you. Nice and
plush, green, soft. Nice to play on. We're certainly not seeing that.
We've just come through two of the best growing years that we've ever seen
and we're still struggling. The essence of the problem out there is that
we have soil conditions anywhere from about 2 to 3 1/2 inches of heavy,
black dirt, black soil and that lays on top of the compacted clay. It's a
light colored clay which you've all seen. That is heavily compacted. In
fact the whole strata of both the black dirt and the clay is heavily ~
compacted. When the water enters the ground, it comes down through the ~
black dirt. Hits that clay and spreads out. It's an impervious surface.
It will not go down. The grass roots come down. Grow through that black
soil and then spread out seeking that water. So we have a nice rain,
soaking rain. It soaks down. The water essentially sits 2 to 3 inches
underneath the soil. It dries out very quickly. The grass grows for a
very short period of time then it says, oh oh. I ran out of water. It has
not put roots down. It cannot put roots down into that clay and get the
zero growth after essentially a day. So this is not a healthy grass
condition. It's not going to get better with time without intervention.
It's not going to get better with overseeding. We've done that 3 times.
We've incurred the cost to buy seed. We've incurred the cost to go ahead
and put the manpower out there to put that down and watch those efforts
fail time and time again. When the turf specialists were brought on the
site, both of them immediately said, your solution here is irrigation. The
first person was told well we're simply not considering irrigation, what
can we do. He came up with a package which he detailed there. Extensive
aeration to the tune of 25 holes per square' foot which essentially leaves
more ground on top of the soil than is left in. The application of the
wetting agent which is something I have no experience with but he said will
allow the water to come down through the soil much better and the no burn
fertilizer which he specified there. And then the most expensive material
which was the turf.. .amendment, which he ~ays over time will assist your
fields. However, if you come into a drought condition again, all bets are
off. Don't call me. It's not going to do you any good. So they came
through with that at approximately $7,500.00 per year. We can continue t~
do that. No guarantees. John Hopko was referred to me. A very
experienced person in the turf management field. His credentials are very
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high. Again, immediately upon coming onto the fields, stamping on the
field, without even having to put in his soil sampler, simply saying you
are going to get nowhere. I will make no recommendations if you do not
consider irrigation. There is simply nothing you can do with these fields,
more or less in the lack of irrigation. You can certainly consider huge
soil amendments or corrections by bringing in trucks and trucks and
truckloads of sand and other soil types. Dumping those on your fields.
Sringing in the earth moving equipment again. Mixing that up so you get a
consistent basis. Leveling back out again and reseeding but what does that
cost? You're going to be in excess of $100,000.00 or better on a
conservative estimate. It essentially comes down to the only guarantee we
have is to apply water on a uniform basis and on a uniform schedule. Minus
that, if we experience drought conditions, which we did a couple years ago,
r would predict we would have to stop play on fields which are already
currently inadequate.
Erickson: The irrigation system, besides the fact that water makes grass
grow green, does that also then allow you to properly aerate the soil?
Hoffman: Yes. It would improve, I didn't go into detail into any of our
aeration attempts, but Dale can speak on that. You were there doing it.
Why don't you take the mica
Erickson: Well you bent up a bunch of times trying to aerate it the way it
is right now?
4It Hoffman: oh absolutely.
Erickson: I guess what I'm asking is, if you get irrigation in, that will
soften the soil enough so that you can properly aerate?
Gregory: .. .we'll be able to keep it soft enough so we can irrigate or
aerate.. .we spent more time on that than one time... I had another one
brought in. I observed a similar machine. These are small machines.
Riding machines but this one will only go down approximately 4 inches
instead of the other one was going down 6 inches. I was able to aerify the
soccer field.. .probably 10 to 15 holes per square foot instead of the 25
which we really need. As of this Monday morning, we have dried up enough
out there, r can't even get back in the ground again. So I called them out
and they're picking up the machine again and they... But right now we do
have tracks in the ground again.
Erickson: With the irrigation and future aeration, that will really bring
the turf over several years?
Gregory: .. .to aerify and move that soil around and breaking it up. Like
with water, we should be able to let it aerify.
Lash: Well I certainly heard plenty of negative comments of those three
fields so I agree that something needs to be done but I have a couple of
questions. To start with, from reading this my impression is that the
contractor never provided the property soil conditions to start with. Is
that correct or were they just destroyed through natural causes?
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Hoffman: The soils that we in Chanhassen have to work with are certainly ~
not ideal from the start. The contractor, the consulting engeineer, the
City in not following up properly can probably all share in the blame for
not getting a somewhat better condition. But soils in Chanhassen are just
not conducive to athletic fields. Just from a standpoint.
Lash: But I mean we knew that to start with. Everybody who lives here
knows we have clay allover. So shouldn't in our agreement with the
contractor, I'm assuming that there was something in there saying that
these were going to be ballfields and they would have to meet certain
standards and provide conditions that would be conducive to growing grass.
Wouldn't we have done that? Shouldn't we?
Hoffman: Probably not.
Gregory: As far as the.. .and everything else and I think where we've
fallen short is, and I didn't realize it either until we talked with these
turf specialists and that, is those ballfields... You can't move in with a
earth mover, put clay in and then start putting black dirt and everything
back over it. You've got to start from 6 to .8 inches down. Start mixing
all these soils together. You've got to have a, there's one...all the way
up because as soon as you start getting the layering effort, like Todd
said, your moisture would go down so far and then it will stop and then all
of a sudden the roots go down that far and then stop. And like I told
Todd, when we really get down into looking at that price for any other
ballfield, I think we should invest and have somebody come out that is a .
turf speciality and talk with them so we could write it into the specs. S
we have the ballfields really set up the way they should be.
Lash: So it wasn't done at Lake Ann?
Gregory: No, it wasn't...
Lash: We didn't have clear specs for the contractor for what the ground
needed to be consisting of?
Hoffman: From the knowledge that I know in reviewing it, after the fact.
Becoming involved at a very late date in that project, is that their
typical specifications for ballfields around in many communities but
because of the special conditions we have out here, in the future we should
certainly learn our lesson and pay more detail to those specifications in
regards to ballfields.
Lash: The point I'm trying to make is, do we have any recourse with the
contractor for not providing the adequate surface that we needed?
Hoffman: Absolutely not. They're guarantee timeframe is gone.
Lash: So if we irrigate, the way I'm understanding this, the way you guys
said with the layers and the water only goes down. So what difference is
irrigating going to make? It will just be more regular water but won't it~
still just go through the dirt and get to the clay and spread out? ,.,
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Gregory: .. .rain now, it will come in... If you're irrigating, you'll be
irrigating every evening and it'd just be going on a little bit of time. It
will act as a sponge. Eventually you're going to keep getting water down
there. Once we get the water there and we get the ground soften up, then
we start our aerification and we start moving... But right now the water
that does come down, it goes down 2 inches and that runs off and we get a
couple of dry days and it's gone. All the moisture's gone already.
Hoffman: Your thoughts are correct Commissioner Lash in that it's just
more consistent.
Lash: And that will help? It won't just be the same problem but just more
consistent.
Hoffman: Correct.
Lash: Certainly I'm not a lawn expert so I don't know but.
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Koubsky: I think though once you get some water out there, you could work
with your turf company and apply some things and lossen up the soil and
retreat it. Something like Ringers offers a program that enhances soil and
growth. I think Todd we need to go back and look at the spec and feel
comfortable that we didn't specify specific soil corrections for the
ballfields. I doubt they're in there but we did have a contractor we hired
to do that work at one time and I want to be comfortable if we go to
another contract and have to review contractor bids, that regardless of
whether the statute of limitations run out or not, if we specified some
soil corrections for those ballfield and he didn't provide it, that may
weigh our opinion on contractor selection in the future. We may not be
able to get him there but.
Gregory: I believe that what your contract actually says is that it
requires a certain amount of inches of black dirt. And it doesn't have
anything to, it doesn't say anything as far as the subsoil.
Koubsky: And we know better now.
Lash: Yeah, so the price that you have for the irrigation, is that for all
7 fields or is that just for, or all 6 fields. Well 7 counting the soccer.
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Hoffman: For all 6 fields and yes. In consultation with the person from
Toro who comes out and inspects there jobs, he gave me a rough estimate on
the number of heads which would be, irrigation heads which would be
necessary for that project. To do all 7 fi~lds and the slopes, spectator
seating areas, in the neighborhood of $50,000.00 with overages and
administrative fees, consulting services, etc., that would certainly
approach $60,000.00. I've laid out the items in the 1992 CIP, which will
most likely not be purchased. You can follow through on that. It is a
large, it adds up to a large dollar amount. If you'd like, I could go
through that item by item. Give some explanations why that has ended up to
be the case. We are in a position where we can fund this improvement at
Lake Ann underneath our current budget, which when you walk into a City
Council meeting it's certainly much more favorable for approval than if we
had expended our CIP and wanted $60,000.00 more dollars to do this project.
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In essence, the large dollar items include City Center Park where
$11,200.00 will not be expended. After initially approving this budget and
in conversation with the folks in the school district, they did not wish to
enter into a joint powers agreement for fund half of that playground
structure. Carrying on through there, obviously the Lake Ann Park
building. It is not necessary to buy all the equipment, supplies, boats,
refrigerators, etc. that come along with that project. That adds up to a
very large dollar amount. The bituminous trail loop through the park, if
you poll a random sample or polled every user of Lake Ann, which is more
important, that bituminous trail link in that woods or a nice field, I'm
sure you can guess what the answer would be. The remainder of the money.
Pheasant Hills Park. The budget there was very little, like"$20,OOO.00.
I'm real comfortable with $10,000.00 in performing the initial construction
work out at Pheasant Hills, which includes engineering fees, preparing a
grading plan, surveying and staking which will come with that project. And
then the grading, surfacing, and site preparation which will be carried out
in house and which means we spend money on rental of equipment and earth
mover, cat. That type of thing. So those are the big buck items which are
reduced and which trim our total allocated from $145,000.00 to about
$80,000.00 which leaves us with approximately $65,000.00. Again, I would
prefer bankrolling that, as many of you would but I simply, personally
cannot tolerate another season of complaints and thoughts of liability on
those fields and frankly the embarrassment which the city as a whole goes
through for providing such an unfit facility.
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Lash: I'd like to go to my earlier question and ask you, I agree that th~
4 new fields are in terrible shape and you know, if this is what we need t~
do, I can go along with that. But I guess I'd like to hear your view on
why you think it's necessary to do the other three fields and the spectator
areas also because we really haven't had problems with those have we?
Hoffman: The three existing fields, when we went through the drought
years, went dormant. Those seed types will go dormant and just turn out
bro~Jn and then when the rain comes back they'll grow back. The new seed
types which are out there will not go dormant. They struggle when they
don't receive rain. They try to grow and they burn themselves out. So if
we install irrigation on fields 4, 5, 6 and the soccer field, experience a
drought year and then said, had to make a decision well you're going to
play on the flat slippery, dead grass fields and you folks are going to
play over here on the nice green field, I wouldn't advocate that simply
from a policy perspective. And as long as you're doing the entire project,
you've got a contractor in there, it's my viewpoint that we get the project
done. In regard to spectato~ seating. Those areas are the most intensely
used of the park. I mean on the ballfield it's 3 outfielders out there
running around and the spectator areas, we certainly need to insure that
those areas receive proper irrigation. If we're doing the other areas of
the park, to keep them nice and maintain them as well. For the money
you've invested so far, not to go that little extra step would be short
sighted in my opinion.
Lash: Not assuming these watering heads or things that go under the groun.
far enough that you don't have a liability with ball players out there
running around.
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Hoffman: Correct. I mean they're there. You hear complaints from soccer
p~ayers that they're not going to, in my opinion they're not going to say
now we've got a worst problem. It's the trade off is not even comparable.
For your knowledge, the Toro heads or any ones which were comparable, are
approximately $90.00 a piece so you start putting those in at the intervals
we need.. .and if this project could get done for $60,000.00, which would be
the current estimate, it would be a fairly reasonable project. If you look
at 1,000 or better participants on a nightly basis, probably closer to
1,500 and you divide that into the number that the cost comes down to,
perhaps $50.00 per participant and you put that over 15-20 years lifetime
of a system like this and the cost becomes very reasonable. .1 am concerned
again that we don't show favortism towards our athletic complexes in lieu
of our neighborhood parks. I don't believe that to be the case. I think
staff and the Commission has a general concern over the problems which you
have experienced out there and potential liability because of it. It's
essentially blacktop when it dries out. It is very hard. You could
experience concussions if you fall on the surface.
Koubsky: Todd, water source. We did put the water through there. There's
the shelter. Have we toenailed something up? Do we have a water source or
are we going to have to go tap into the main?
Hoffman: This project would tap into the main and probably have a single
tap into that main and then have a pumping station, a pressure tank station
located near that concession stand is my understanding on the initial
conversations.
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Koubsky: Is that included in the 60?
Hoffman: Correct.
Koubsky: I feel it's something we need.
Erickson: I feel real positive about both things. I've been out on those
fields. They're horrendous and this sounds like, actually a relatively
inexpensive way to take care of it.
Andrews: Todd, do you need a park by park okay on this or can we just make
a general motion to approve the overall project and we can divy up where we
take the money from later? Or what do we need to do here procedurally?
Hoffman: Procedurally, it would be most beneficial if you would go ahead
and, for purposes of setting the record straight, that you approve this
amended budget schedule as presented, or amended as part of this budget
amendment. The money's already been allocated. City Council will
certainly have some questions in this regard.
Andrews: Is there somebody that's willing to put a motion out here?
Koubsky: I guess one thing as far as an amendment. We did take out. it's
one thing to hit up on the parks and we'll obviously have to address this
in the 1993 capital improvements but you did take out the Boy Scout
projects.
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Hoffman: Just from the point of view that I'm not aware that we will be
receiving a request for a project.
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Lash: You know just to tie in with that mosquito thing though, that was
one of the things I kind of wanted to insert in there was that maybe we
need to make some efforts to provide these. Try the bat houses and the
swallow houses and that kind of stuff and I assume maybe we can get some
Scouts to do some of that work. It would be nice maybe to have some funds
in there in case we found somebody to do it.
Andrews: Put it in your motion.
Lash: Should we keep some in there? You've got more than what you need
anyway, right?
Hoffman: Correct.
Lash: You've got $65,000.00 and the estimate is $60,000.00.
Hoffman: Our recommendation would be simply to tag back in $1,000.00 into
contingency and to use that for any miscellaneous projects which come up.
Andrews: Can we have a motion?
Erickson: Well I guess I can try to work my way through a motion here. I~
move that we accept, don't be afraid to correct my wording here. This ~
change in the capital improvement budget to allow to have $65,000.00, or
$64,000.00 for the irrigation system over at Lake Ann Park with $1,000.00
for the contingency fund to possibly be used for the Boy Scouts or
whatever.
Andrews: Do you want to authorize the project too? You've said nothing
about authorizing the project.
Erickson: I authorize the installation of the irrigation system over on
the ballfields and soccer field at Lake Ann Park.
Andrews: Is there a second?
Pemrick: I'll second that.
Koubsky: Are we authorizing or are we recommending to the City Council?
Erickson: Recommending.
Lash: In the amount not to exceed $60,000.00?
Berg: 64.
Lash: Well he's not in his recommendation not to exceed $60,000.00.
Andrews: The recommendation is for $60,000.OO...we've allocated $64,250.0~
to be made available. We've only authorized $60,000.00 for that project.
That's the motion and it's been seconded.
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Erickson moved, Pemrick seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommend authorizing a 1992 Park Acquisition and Development Capital
Improvement Program budget amendment to fund the installation of an
irrigation system at Lake Ann Park for the seven ballfields and spectator
areas in an amount not to exceed $60,000.00. All voted in favor and the
motion carried.
Koubsky: Just an off note. Have the turf specialist gone over to Lake
Susan?
Hoffman: Yep. We visited that field at the same time. The water was
obviously good. The soil sample was unbelievable. When you put the
sampler into the ground and you pulled it out, it popped. Just.. .because
of the clay content. There's plenty of water there but we needed some
corrections in our fertilizing program to green it up a little bit better.
Whenever you hear that he says, you know you have problems.
1993 PARK ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
Hoffman: Item 7 unfortunately is, if we do not get through the entire
necessary proceedings this evening, may necessitate a special meeting
simply because of the budget time line process. I've not been officially
informed of when finance will want our final budget recommendations but
that will be forthcoming fairly shortly, that instruction. We deleted this
item from the June 23rd meeting agenda simply because of the length of the
agenda. The establishment of our annual CIP is obviously a very important
E:tep. One of the most important pieces of work for the park commission on
an annual basis. what we need to talk about in this regard is, we can skip
over all the updated 5 year plan. You have all that in your packet but it
is essentially where our fund 410 is currently at. What does it health?
what is it's prognosis for the future? As you can read there, it's health,
it's in perfectly good health but it's not overly fat or excessive in
dollars. Current cash on hand in the fund is approximately $250,000.00.
That is down from a high of near $600,000.00 of 2 to 3 years ago. When the
fund was at $600,000.00 or better, it was pulling down some fairly good
interest as well. So we could tag that interest back into our anticipated
revenues and things were made even rosier yet. Through all the parkland
purchases and all the activity which we're just now coming out of. We're
finishing up a lot of projects which were started 2 to 3 years ago. We
have brought that down to about 250. With the identified reserves which
are necessary, being $150,000.00, that was bumped from $100,000.00 to
$150,000.00 during last year's process for land purchased west of Lake
Minnewsashta L~hich is very important and then just a general reserve or a
contingency if you will of $100,000.00. We're right at that dead zero. We
can't count on our fund reserve to bail us out so we do in fact need to be
conservative in our expenditures. And if you want bankroll anything, or if
you want to set something aside for another budget reserve, we need to take
that into consideration as a part of our anticipating revenues for our next
years. The forecasted revenue is however positive. In consultation with
the City Manager, our discussions show that we will either stay constant or
improve in 1993 in regards to park and trail fees. Commercial/industrial
will continue to be strong. Target may be on our doorstep. Along with
that, all of this commercial development which is taking place in the
downtown is just going to spur on the development of the remaining pieces
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in that commercial district. Once you get that grocery store in there,
that's going to bring people to downtown. Other businesses are coming in
to take a look at this property and saying, this is the time to build in
Chanhassen. So we expect that activity to continue. Obviously you've just
reviewed a multi-family structure which the City has not seen revenue from
in the past. $100,000.00 from that would take you almost to your
forecasted revenues of $150,000.00. And again multi-family dwellings are
going to continue very strong. So at the present time, we're taking a look
at the $150,000.00 mark as a conservative figure but probably a very close
one. This whole process, again is to, it's an open forum on the part of
the Park and Recreation Commission. You use your knowledge, your general
knowledge and the comments you've seen and the things you've talked about
over the time you're on the Board. The goal is not, our goal in evaluating
and formulating this obviously is not to spend the money but to meet the
needs of our residents. That's what we're after. It is again recommended
that budget expenditures in the 410 CIP for 1993 not exceed $150,000.00.
If we might I~ell see revenues in excess of that, which we would then begin
to bankroll our money again for future use.
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Andrews: I guess one comment I have is we just deferred $65,000.00 that
planned to spend this year. I would think some of that has to be replaced
now with future budgeting. Probably most of it.
Lash: That's kind of tied in with my question. When you look at these
park by park and you have 1992. Okay, if you look at page 5. Carver Beach
Park. Play area refurbishment. $2,200.00. Did we actually do that or ~
didn't we do that? If we didn't do it, it's something we should rollover
and do in 1993.
Hoffman: The Carver Beach play area refurbishment.. .So if you back go to
item 6 and page to Carver Beach, the $2,200.00 remains. That is a very
safety deficient structure. It's an old structure that needs replacement.
Lash: I was just using that as an example. So each park we come to, we
need to look at '92 and determine if it's something that we've done or
haven't done. We can't assume because it's in '92 that it's been done.
Hoffman: Absolutely correct.
could have highlighted that.
And if I would have made that connection, I
I apologize for that oversight.
Lash: Okay, I really strongly feel like if we had it in our budget for
'92, that we should think seriously to making that a priority for '93
instead of postponing. Obviously something. for '93 is going to have to go.
Andrews: I don't know about the rest of the Commission. I feel like I
don't I~ant to push, being at 11:00 on this particular item. We'll get as
far as we can and we'll come back at it. Just avoid mosquito discussion
and hopefully get it done but.
Koubsky: I guess my thoughts. We just moved $64,000.00.
reflect that movement?
Do these charts
Hoffman: No, they do not.
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~ Lash: That was my question.
Koubsky: That's what I thought you were saying. It might help me to
review this and it might be a little more timely if we ask staff to get us
some charts that reflect that movement so we don't have to page through two
different items. We might not get very far anyway and if this requires
another meeting, I guess based on the time, I'm ready for it.
Lash: Maybe what we can do is go through the rest of our agenda items and
see how much time we have and then go back and see if we want to get
started on this or call a separate meeting.
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Bruce Gottsein: My name is Bruce Gottsein and I reside at Curry Farms.
1340 Stratten Court is where I live and it's right next to Curry Farms
Park. And I've had conversations with Todd periodically and I've been
following the park for probably, well I've been there 4 years or so. In
just looking at, this is my first opportunity to look at your budget for
this year and next year. A budget of $250.00 for a sign...and $500.00 next
year for trees. I guess I'm asking the question, there was an overall plan
back in '88 when I came up here and addressed. you. They showed Curry Farms
and showed tennis courts and basketball courts, ballfield and presently
what we have in there is an infield and a graded outfield with no grass.
We don't have a backstop for that softball. I understand that's going in
this year yet. We've got a volleyball court and a small totlot area. I
guess in talking L~ith Todd, there appears to be a problem with the soil
samples in that area to facilitate or possibly not be able to put in a
basketball court. And I came here tonight to try to urge everybody to take
a hard look at maybe doing something else other than tennis and basketball,
if that's not possible. Curry Farms, I don't know if you know it,
is.. .with a number of young children. 150-175 or so just in that small
area and when we were out listening to the other parks here earlier, we are
just over crowded with kids in that small totlot. First question I got, I
guess I can go down the list is, is the soil advantageous for tennis or
basketball or looking at your 5 year projection that I had a minute ago, it
looks like there isn't going to be any. Are we throwing that out? Is that
a done deal? Are we going to take soil samples to see if that can be put
in? Of course I don't expect your 5 year budget, where are we at on that?
Hoffman: For the Commission's information, we did have this identical
conversation on the phone. My response to Mr. Gottsein is that I assuredly
knol~ that the soils currently will not hold an asphalt play structure such
as a tennis court or basketball court. The question in my mind is, to what
extent in soil corrections would we have to go to allow those facilities to
be built. If the commission wishes to include the possibility for tennis
or basketball, hard court surfaces there in the future, and would like to
see soil samples conducted in the very near future, we can take that
project into consideration and go ahead and coordin~te that activity.
Again the only question is, how much extra money are we going to have to
spend to allow those facilities to be built. We do know absolutely that
the soils there currently will not support that.
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Lash: I think that we've talked about this issue before. I recall this
and I think because of this conversation, that's why you don't see it on
the 5 year budget. We had had the conversation before we did the budget
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and that's why it was taken off. Because we knew that the soils wouldn't
accommodate it. Now is there something that you had in mind or that your
neighbors had in mind?
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Bruce Gottsein: I guess I was under the impression that soil samples were
going to be taken to determine that. I didn't know we were already past
that point. That they could not be put there until I saw the 5 year budget
tonight. Have we taken soil samples and is that what the conclusion is?
That it can't be put in. And has there been a study as to replacing the
soils that are presently there in those two areas for the tennis and
basketball court?
Hoffman: No. Again, as I discussed with you on the phone, soil samples
have not been taken. But it is a belief that we all hold that anybody
who's worked in that park, has experienced the soil conditions there, that
the soils presently will not hold it. We would be spending money which
would be obviously ill spent. Those structures are going to break up. The
composition of the soil there is essentially black dirt on top of peat.
The peat extends in a thickness which is currently unknown but when you
drive heavy equipment on there, you best do it in a very dry period of time
and you'll still see that equipment sink and succumb to the poor soils
which are there. If you drive down there when it's wet, that equipment
will simply disappear. So there's not been a soil test to determine. My
recommendation to the Commission that we not move forward with a basketball
or tennis court there. That is based on my experience with soils in our
different parks and my knowledge as to what that area was prior to it bei1lt
developed as a park. -About half of that park was a marshland prior to it
being filled in and handed over to the City at that time as park.
Bruce Gottsein: Are we looking at substituting something in place of the
ballpark and tennis that was projected back 4 years ago?
Erickson: What type of structures, if the soils bad, what else could we
use? I think you mentioned there's quite a large number of tots. Would
expanding the totlot, putting more of those kinds of things in, that can be
done on that kind of soil without any problem?
Hoffman: Sure.
Bruce Gottsein: There is presently a totlot in there. There is a tennis
court in there and there's the infield, gonna put a backstop up I
understand this year and they're going to put in the grade and the tar for
the trail. Is that not correct? That was projected for last year right?
I don't know. Just canvasing the residents~ there is an area in that park
that's up high that's presently a parking lot that is suitable for maybe
something like that too. Has there been any consideration of changing the
parking lot? Deleting the parking lot? Putting in an.. .basketball on one
side? Because that is firm soil. That's not down in the park as such but
it is part of the park.
Hoffman: Again, as I discussed with Mr. Gottsein on the phone, that has ~
been reviewed previously by the Park Commission. Request to install a ,.,
basketball hoop in that parking lot. The recommendation at that time to
the Commission was that were incompatible uses. A parking lot and a
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~ basketball court, even the same surface and at that time the Commission
agreed with staff's position.
Bruce Gottsein: But I'm not proposing to take the parking lot. To use it
in a dual purpose. I'm proposing to take half of it and segment it off or
lengthen it a little bit and put a basketball and a parking lot as separate
but on the same area that will support that. I'm asking.
Lash: You know is basketball what you're looking for?
Bruce Gottsein: No, I'm just looking for adding to the park .because of the
number of residents. Actually my motive more tonight is the totlot
because I've got 4 kids 6 and under and that's a selfish motive but there
is a lot in the neighborhood of small kids. Monkey bars, rings, firemen
pole. tree climbing, balance beam. I mean we can go on and on with not
heavy buck items by the way either but that would facilitate the
neighborhood that is presently there now. We're talking elementary,
physical activity type things for most elementary kids. There's really not
a park around there that you can, as they said earlier.. .grab their kids
and walk to to utilize. So I guess I'm not talking the big buck items but
I am talking items that would help the residents presently now. Right now
if it stays the way it is, we get a sign that goes in this year and get
some trees next year and that's where we're at and I just think that it can
be utilized a lot better than that.
4It Koubsky: So you're really just looking for more structures or equipment?
Bruc~ Gottsein: I guess the hard look at it. If the original proposal 4
years ago cannot be accomplished because of the soil. If that's the case,
then I'm asking, is there a look see at the park of putting in different
things that can facilitate? I suggested ice rink. I don't know where the
city is on the posture on that. I'm not talking hockey rink. I'm not
talking lights. I'm talking an ice rink. It may not be practical. I'm not
the expert on it but I'm bringing up those items to everybody to please
consider when you come for your budget in '93.
Erickson: I think you came to the right meeting.
Bruce Gottsein: Well we have, as you know, right across from Lake Lucy now
there's another development going in there. And that's goign to add more
residents and that's going to add more pressure on that small neighborhood
park. So if we can put some more in there, it would help.
Erickson: Has that development come before us yet? I'm not sure.
Lash: Yeah. That might have been before you.
BrlJce Gottsein: Yeah, they're excavating right now. Is there going to be
play structures in that?
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Lash: No. That was something that the residents of that area are supposed
to go over and use Curry Farms Park.
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Bruce Gottsein: Which is somewhat practical. It's not a very long
distance even for a small kid.
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Lash: Do you have any other suggestions from your neighbors of things that
they are looking for?
Bruce Gottsein: Really muscle activities of the grade school age is what
they're looking at. But I don't know, I really haven't, maybe it's a
personal thing. I really have heartburn with the parking lot when I go by
there everyday and I don't see any cars in there. It just isn't utilized
but yet we have a nice parking lot and we have a trail going down but it's
going down to what? A small totlot and that's it. So I think we got the
cart before the horse: I think we could have developed the park and then
put the parking lot in. But we have it right there. But we're not
utilizing it. And it's a big, I mean how many cars are going to park at a
6 or 8 acre neighborhood park that has a baseball field with no...and a
totlot? How many cars are you going to get in there? You're not going to
get them stacked up so I don't know, it's not really being utilized.
Erickson: The parking part, I think we go through parking. We just went
through a parking thing last meeting where there was no parking. People
were parking in no parking signs and we just had to put parking in so I
think getting us to back off on the parking might be hard.
Bruce Gottsein: I can understand that and I'm not proposing to negate the~
whole parking lot. I'm just saying maybe you want to take half of it and ~
convert it into one of these things you can't facilitate down below because
of the soils.
Erickson: How about a swingset kind of thing?
Bruce Gottsein: Well I don't know if you have it there but they have,
there is a small swingset. I think it's your phase 1 and phase 2 you
reference it. In there presently now. I guess some outside structures of
that or an add on. I drove by, and obviously it facilitates more people. I
drove by Lake Susan and they had a nice add on to that. Anything that we
can increase and add that on and especially maybe more of the physical
activities. The monkey bars, the firemen's pole, stuff like that the kids
can use their bodies and less maybe, well you do have swings there. But I
think kids, the ages are moving into that part more so than real toddlers.
Lash: Just so you know kind of where we're coming from. When we try and
look at this 5 year plan, we try and back up a little bit and look at, we
try and spread the funds throughout the city as much as we can. So we try
and back up and look at okay, who got what last year. And who got what the
year before. And so that we don't continually year after year keep
plunking large amounts of money in one park and not another park. So we've
been kind of trying to spread it around and you guys had $10,000.00 worth
in '91 and that's why in '92.
Bruce Gottsein: That hasn't been put in yet by the way though.
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Bruce Gottsein: No, it's allocated but they haven't had it all put in yet.
The ballfield hasn't been put in.. .backstop isn't there. And I can
understand that and I'm not pushing that...
Lash: So you know, when you look at this budget it looks bleak for you
guys for 5 years and that's the reasoning behind it is that there's.
Bruce Gottsein: I think you can get the best deal for your dollar in this
case, in this park with what the residents have for kids agewise and not a
heavy dollar item. I mean $60,000.00 for 3 ballfields, I think there's
something there that could be for another 100-200 kids. Just an
observation sitting back and listening. And I'm not talking the big bucks,
especially in light of there's nothing else going to be able to go in
there. Or to consider the dividing up the parking lot. Or some extension
to that. I think you should take a hard look at it anyway.
Andrews: Thank you.
8,uce Gottsein: Thank you.
And,ews: I would like to have staff take the change we just made to the
CIP and bring this back. It's getting too late for me to do anything
effectivE on this fo, my brain at least. I did make a note in my personal
booklet of all the concerns that you just mentioned about Curry Farms so
that those will be b,ought up by me for sure, if nobody else. So I'd like
to defe, item 7, if we could do that.
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f,icKson: Can that go to a new meeting, the next meeting or should it go
to a special meeting?
Hoffman: It should go to a special interim meeting.
Erickson: A get together at the fire station kind of thing.
Lash: In two weeks?
Hoffman: Yeah, do we have the date?
Andrews: The second Tuesday. Go back to our regular two a month set up.
Second Tuesday.
Hoffman: It would be August, is there a calendar up there?
Andrews: It's the 10th?
Pemrick: No, it'd be the 11th.
1992 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION EVALUATIONS.
Andrews: Okay, Jerry if you could give us a quick wrap up of item 8.
That'd be appreciated.
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Ruegemer: This report is basically straight forward. Maybe I might just
leave it to the Commission, is there any questions anybody has regarding
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the evaluation or the 4th of July itself?
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Erickson: I don't have any questions. I want to say that the parts that
I observed were excellent. Well attended. Tables and chairs were set up
really well. I didn't even get a hot dog. But no I mean, we came over on
Friday night and I was very impressed with the turnout and people seemed to
be having a good time with the kids and I think you guys did a real bang up
job.
Hoffman: Is there any comment on the proposed schedule for next '93?
Pemrick: You're doing a 3 dayer.
Lash: You're having the adult softball tournament and the adult fishing
contest on the same day? Think that will be a conflict for some of them or
no?
Hoffman: Sure.
Andrews: Alright, let's move on. Are there .any Commissioner
Presentations?
COMMISSION PRESENTATIONS:
Lasn: I have one item that I would like to bring up. It's more a tree
board item. It was something brought to my attention by a source that wil~
remain anonymous. And it's regarding, and 1 have a big concern about this
and I want to find out if this is factual and then I think we need to look
into it. I heard that along Market Boulevard where the new trees are
planted, that when this shopping center's completed that there's a
landscape plan and that the trees that are currently there, and have been
there for a couple of years and are now getting pretty well established,
are not included in the new landscape plan and will have to be removed and
cannot be spaded out and moved because they're over the utility lines. So
it would have to just be cut down.
Hoffman: I can address that. In some degree currently, there were trees
which were removed as part of that construction project. I can't respond
if they were all the trees which are on the west side of Market but as part
of their construction and turn lanes and entryways and obviously there
weren't roads laid out before so when they came in and put those in, they
removed trees. They were backhoed out. Some of them were dug up by hand
because they were planted, some of them right over the top of the utility
lines so you obviously are not going to take a tree spade in there and
remove it.
Lash: Can we check into the.
Hoffman: Remaining ones?
Lash: Yeah, the remaining ones. To see what we can do about that. If
it's just because they don't fit into somebody's plan, I think that's kindlt
of dumb. And then also 1 guess 1 have some concerns over just some of the
things I've been reading myself regarding main street. The Target proposal
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and the traffic flow and the widening of main street and there's a lot of
trees on the boulevards and the center divide too that probably will be
effected somewhat by that plan. And I think we've all just maybe begun to
become attached to them. We're finally, our wounds are healing finally on
that one. To start with, I'd hate to see them going and mess it up again.
So see what we can do about those trees too.
Andrews: I just have one and this is more of a future agenda item. I did
attend that TH 5 planning meeting, whatever it was. Whatever you want to
call the commission that we're on. It's a committee of about 25 people so
you can imagine how much progress this made and how probably frustrated I
was. But I think one thing that's important for our own agenda items in
the future is, that they're going to be looking at specific recommendations
as to how we want each of our trail intersections to look at each point
they cross TH 5. And they're going to start working from east to the west
so perhaps on a once a month or once every other month. Probably once a
month basis, we need to start developing some concepts as to what do we
want to see? What kind of look do we want? What kind of clearances and
traffic do we envision and so forth so if you've got some ideas, things
you've seen in other parts of city, maybe bring pictures or jot some notes
dOvJn about what things you liked about it or didn't like about it. We can
start getting some guidance to that commission so we can get it the way we
want it instead of the other way around.
Koubsky: That's the actual crossing of TH 5?
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Andrews: Actual crossings. Wherever there's going to be a bridge or an
underpass that might have something to do with the park system, they're
going to be looking for some specific recommendations as to what we want.
Hoffman: We will be bringing back formal issues for the commission to
address as a part of that TH 5 Task Force study.
Andrews: That's it.
ADMINSTRATIVE SECTION AND PRESENTATIONS.
Andrews: To me the highlights were the tree preservation board
applications. Is that something we need to take action on or get moving?
Hoffman: My thoughts in that area was, I would readvertise one more time.
See if we get any other respondents. Query the City Council on how they'd
like to progress and get that Board establi~hed and get a kick off meeting
and plot some strategy.
Lash: I maybe might have talked somebody into applying.
Berg: Todd, as far as applications, if we have an interest in becoming the
members of the tree board, we would also have to apply? Or are we honorary
members?
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Hoffman: Commission, Planning Commission, Park Commission and Council
members will be appointed. So if you volunteer and if we don't get all 6
of you, we'll probably take 7. Hopefully 1 and at least 2 to the
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Commission. I would presume there'd be 1 or 2 from the Planning commissi~
and 1 or 2 from the City Council. $0 this Board will probably comprise of
50% split at large and 50% commission members. Maybe 10 or a dozen people.
Meet twice monthly and talk about tree issues.
Lash: Twice monthly?
Hoffman: Excuse me, once.
Lash: Every other month. I have two questions on the Administrative
Section. First one is on the letter from Dr. Cooper about the geese and I
noticed that there wasn't any pick-ups on Lake Lucy and there has been in
the past. Was that purposely omitted?
Hoffman: He may consider the Lake Lucy/Lake Ann flock as contiguous. All
one flock.
Lash: Oh. So they were picked up.
Hoffman: Lake Ann but they think the population goes back and forth.
Lash: Does it?
Hoffman: I haven't watched them fly over there. In their studies, they
come out and study these flocks of geese and in their studies they have,
they say' that's one flock which uses Lake Ann and Lake Lucy. The person ~
who calls me on Lake Lucy has not called to congratulate us yet but he's ~
not called back saying the geese are still there so I assume they're gone.
Lash: And then on the one from Jerry to Don about the Jaycees.
Hoffman: It should be from Todd to Don and Jerry.
Lash: Oh yeah, that's it. Okay. Whatever. I made a note just to myself
and I don't remember what it means but I wrote teen center. So do they
have something in here about that they were interested in?
Hoffman: Interested in teens.
Lash: Yeah. And that's something that we kind of kicked around or we have
in the past. I thought well maybe that would be a good tie together.
Maybe we could get them started on.
Hoffman: I'll bring it up with Ken. He called to request a meeting
tomorrow.
Berg: We also have a letter in here from Mike Gorra who is dedicating or
has 75 to 100 trees available. I saw there is some correspondence. We've
gotten back with him?
Hoffman: Correct.
Berg: And expressed possible interest.
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Hoffman: Correct. The trees are a variety which are not ultra desireable
Locust and ash but we will certainly take as many as we can physically
remove and put into our parks.
Lash: Can I ask a quick question on that one too. Is it just that he's
trying to thin out some areas or does he have some future plan for the ar
that he's removing these?
Hoffman: I did not specificallY ask what his reasonings were but I would
think once we get on site, he'll open up. Tell me what his real reason i
Berg: So we'll possibly get those as the park this fall? The city has a
spade?
Lash: Do yoU have enough places to put them?
Hoffman: We have a spade which we can use for some of the smaller ones.
The bigger ones we can't use our spade but I'm currently formulating a ma
for placement of these trees and some other trees as well thinking into t
future. The current oak trees at Lake Ann are beautiful and 80 some year
old or better but there's no young ones. So put something for our future
there and get them going.
Andrews: Any other items?
Hoffman: A couple of administrative items. Short notes. Dutch elm
disease was spotted by Commissioner Andrews. It was confirmed. It's on
p,ivate p,ope,ty. We've also had an additional report of Dutch elm on a
pl-ivate property out at Lake Susan so it's still around.
Andrews: Did you look along TH 101 right along, right south of Town Lin
and north of Fox Hollow? There's some scrubby elms that are looking pre
bleak there too.
Hoffman: J haven't noticed. They would probably be in the highway
frontaJe?
And,ews: p,obably are. There's a whole bunch of them there.
Hoffman: We're getting the second growth of elms are starting to take
hit again so it's gaining some coverage around the metro. SuccesS of t
surVey has been outstanding. I don't know Dawne, what would be your
estimate of receipts?
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Koubsky: Success or?
Hoffman: Response has been very successful.
Lemme: We've probably gotten 700 to 900.
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Lash: Oh really? That's great.
Hoffman: Dawn, and with some help from JerrY will be inputting that, a
that data into a program designed by Don Ashworth, the city Manager to
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tabulate all that information which will then be brought to the commission~
and published in the Villager. Initial, I'm sure you may be interested,
it's a little late but initial response is that trails in reference to
everything else will be here. Everything else will be here. The next item
would probably be golf course. Bandimere is anybody guess. It doesn't
look real positive for 8andimere. High tax comments are a dime a dozen.
Let's see. Trails.
Erickson: Anybody requesting bungee jumping facilities?
Hoffman: No but the trail issues is heads and tails about anything else.
Any comments?
Lash: No, I had one other quick one I guess, now that I just looked
through here on the Chaska, non-resident rec rules and I think that's just
something we have to, especially now as an example of the comments tonight
from the gentlemen over in Saddlebrook. Obviously he's concerned about all
these ne~~ developments coming into town over taxing our facilities. I
think it's something we need to all be aware of and be prepared because
this is going to be coming. We may not be here anymore but.
Hoffman: Thank you for your patience this evening. This has been a long
one.
Erickson moved, Berg seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor ~
and the motion carried. The meeting was adjourned. ,.,
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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CITY OF
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STAFF REPORT
PROPOSAL:
Metes and bounds subdivision of a 1.5 acre parcel into two lots of 29,172 sq. ft
and 20,000 sq. ft on property zoned RSF, Residential Single Family.
LOCATION:
8412 Great Plains Boulevard (~ee location map)
APPLICANT:
Eugene Klein
PRESENT ZONING:
RSF, Residential Single Family
ADJACENT ZONING
AND LAND USE:
N . Lake Susan; RD, Recreational Development Lake
S - RSF, Residential Single Family and TH 101
E - RSF, Residential Single Family
W - RSF, Residential Single Family
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN:
This parcel lies within a park deficient area of the city. Due to the
size of this subdivision; however, this situation cannot be corrected
as a part of this proposal.
COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL PLAN:
The Comprehensive Trail Plan identifies a future trail along TH 10 1 south, the exact alignment of which
is unclear at this time due to the proposed new Highway 10 1. Best predictions at present are that the
trail connecting Bandimere Community Park with the downtown area will follow the newly constructed
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TH 101. This alignment will allow for an overpass crossing of TH 212 at the interchange of the
two highways. A segment of trail along the old TH 101 will be needed to connect the
Chanhassen Hills and south Lake Susan areas to the north. This trail will most likely pass by
the property review, but on the south side of the highway following a future utility alignment
Staff considered recommending the taking of a permanent 20 ft easement at the south property
lines of the subject lots for future potential trail purposes. Upon studying the issue further,
however, it is apparent that the likelihood of such an easement being utilized is minimal.
RECOMMENDATION:
It is recommended that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council accept
full park and trail fees for the newly created lot as a part of this subdivision request These fees
are to be collected at the time of building permit issuance in the amount then in force for park
and trail fees. Current fees for single family dwellings are $500.00 and $167.00 respectively.
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Copy of survey
Map depicting future roadway and potential trail alignments
Capital Improvement Program, Utility Improvement Description and Map
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PROPOSAL:
Site plan review for Phase IT of Chanhassen Retail Office Center for a 10,600 sq.
ft. building (Lot 2/25,123 sq. ft.).
LOCATION:
480 West 78th Street
APPLICANT:
Copeland-Mithun, Inc.
Suite 145, 7625 Metro Blvd.
Edina, MN 55439
PRESENT ZONING:
ADJACENT ZONING
AND LAND USE:
N . R12, High Density Residential District
S - CBD, Central Business District
E - CBD, Central Business District
W - CBD, Central Business District
COMPREHENSIVE PARK AND TRAIL PLANS:
The subject parcel lies within the city's central business district, and as a commercial development, is
subject to commerciaVindustrial park and trail fees. No~-vehicu1ar access to the site is provided via
downtown sidewalks. This is not subject to the taking of parkland.
RECOMMENDATION:
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park and trail dedication fees as a part of this development. Current fees being $2,500 per acre and
$833.00 per acre, respectively. These fees are to be collected at the time of building permit issuance.
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Park and Recreation Commission
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
August 20, 1992
SUBJ:
Approval of 1992 Capital Improvement Program Purchases
The attached invitations for proposals and price quotes for the purchase of play equipment and
site amenities identified in the 1991 CIF was distributed to the noted vendors on Monday, August
17. Proposals and price quotes are due back by 12:00 p.m. on Monday, August 24. I will be
preparing a report and recommendations concerning the proposals received for distribution at the
Commission meeting on Tuesday, August 25.
If you have questions in this regard prior to next weeks meeting, please contact me.
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(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
August 14, 1992
Mr. Bob Klein
Bob Klein and Associates
1303 Lincoln Lane
Hastings, MN 55033
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Dear Mr. Klein:
The City of Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department would like to provide you with the e
following invitation for product proposals and price quotations. The product descriptions are
listed by item on the attached sheets labeled 1-3. The extent of detail of these descriptions vary,
and are provided only as guidelines. The equipment ultimately specified may vary from these
descriptions. Purchasing decisions will ultimately be based on an opinion of price compared to
product integrity, value, reliability and material. If you have questions in this regard, please do
not hesitate to call me.
All proposals must; however, meet the following standard requirements:
1. All equipment must meet requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and
the 1992 US Consumer Product Safety Commission Guidelines (CPSC). Suppliers must
provide a manufacturer's statement of compliance in this regard. Where applicable,
instructions for installation requirements necessary to comply with ADA and CPSC must
be provided.
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2. Delivery within 30 or less days of confirmation of orders.
3.
It is understood that quote proposals may not be withdrawn within 30 days of submission,
and that the City of Chanhassen reserves the ~ght to reject any or all quotes and waive
all formalities. Proposals will be accepted through 12:00 p.m., Monday, August 24, 1992.
All awards shall be made individually by sheet, with recommendations for award being
made at the August 25, 1992, Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission meeting.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
August 14, 1992
Mr. Bill Janahosky
Value Recreation
P.O. Box 386
Chanhassen, MN 55317
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Dear Mr. Janahosky:
e The City of Chanhassen Park and Recreation Deparunent would like to provide you with the
following invitation for product proposals and price quotations. The product descriptions are
listed by item on the attached sheets labeled 1-3. The extent of detail of these descriptions vary,
and are provided only as guidelines. The equipment ultimately specified may vary from these
descriptions. Purchasing decisions will ultimately be based on an opinion of price compared to
product integrity, value, reliability and material. If you have questions in this regard, please do
not hesitate to call me.
All proposals must; however, meet the following standard requirements:
1. All equipment must meet requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and
the 1992 US Consumer Product Safety Commission Guidelines (CPSC). Suppliers must
provide a manufacturer's statement of compliance in this regard. Where applicable,
instructions for installation requirements necessary to comply with ADA and CPSC must
be provided.
2. Delivery within 30 or less days of confIrmation of orders.
3.
It is understood that quote proposals may not be withdrawn within 30 days of submission,
and that the City of Chanhassen reserves the right to reject any or all quotes and waive
all formalities. Proposals will be accepted through 12:00 p.m., Monday, August 24, 1992.
All awards shall be made individually by sheet, with recommendations for award being
made at the August 25, 1992, Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission meeting.
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August 14, 1992
Mr. Brian Flannagan
Flannagan Sales, Inc.
1460 West County Road C
Roseville, MN 55113
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Dear Mr. Flannagan:
The City of Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department would like to provide you with the e
following invitation for product proposals and price quotations. The product descriptions are
listed by item on the attached sheets labeled 1-3. The extent of detail of these descriptions vary,
and are provided only as guidelines. The equipment ultimately specified may vary from these
descriptions. Purchasing decisions will ultimately be based on an opinion of price compared to
product integrity, value, reliability and material. H you have questions in this regard, please do
not hesitate to call me.
All proposals must; however, meet the following standard requirements:
1. All equipment must meet requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and
the 1992 US Consumer Product Safety Commission Guidelines (CPSC). Suppliers must
provide a manufacturer's statement of compliance in this regard. Where applicable,
instructions for installation requirements necessary to comply with ADA and CPSC must
be provided. '
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2. Delivery within 30 or less days of confmnation of orders.
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It is understood that quote proposals may not be withdrawn within 30 days of submission,
and that the City of Chanhassen reserves the right to reject any or all quotes and waive
all formalities. Proposals will be accepted through 12:00 p.m., Monday, August 24, 1992.
All awards shall be made individually by sheet, with recommendations for award being
made at the August 25, 1992, Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission meeting.
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CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
August 14, 1992
Mr. Todd Lehman
Minnesota Playground, Inc.
P.O. Box 27328
Golden Valley, MN 55427
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Dear Mr. Lehman:
The City of Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department would like to provide you with the
following invitation for product proposals and price quotations. The product descriptions are
listed by item on the attached sheets labeled 1-3. The extent of detail of these descriptions vary,
and are provided only as guidelines. The equipment ultimately specified may vary from these
descriptions. Purchasing decisions will ultimately be based on an opinion of price compared to
product integrity, value, reliability and material. If you have questions in this regard, please do
not hesitate to call me.
All proposals must; however, meet the following standard requirements:
1. All equipment must meet requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and
the 1992 US Consumer Product Safety Commission Guidelines (CPSC). Suppliers must
provide a manufacturer's statement of compliance in this regard. Where applicable,
instructions for installation requirements necessary to comply with ADA and CPSC must
be provided.
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2. Delivery within 30 or less days of confumation Qf orders.
3. It is understood that quote proposals may not be withdrawn within 30 days of submission,
and that the City of Chanhassen reserves the right to reject any or all quotes and waive
all formalities. Proposals will be accepted through 12:00 p.m., Monday, August 24, 1992.
All awards shall be made individually by sheet:' with recommendations for award being
made at the August 25, 1992, Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission meeting.
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(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
August 14, 1992
Mr. Dave Owen
Earl F. Anderson and Associates
9808 James Circle
Bloomington, MN 55431-2976
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Dear Mr. Owen:
The City of Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department would like to provide you with the a
following invitation for product proposals and price quotations. The product descriptions are ,.,
listed by item on the attached sheets labeled 1-3. The extent of detail of these descriptions vary,
and are provided only as guidelines. The equipment ultimately specified may vary from these
descriptions. Purchasing decisions will ultimately be based on an opinion of price compared to
product integrity, value, reliability and material. If you have questions in this regard, please do
not hesitate to call me.
All proposals must; however, meet the following standard requirements:
1. All equipment must meet requirements of the Americ"ans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and
the 1992 US Consumer Product Safety Commission Guidelines (CPSC). Suppliers must
provide a manufacturer9s statement of compliance in this regard. Where applicable,
instructions for installation requirements necessary to comply with ADA and CPSC must
be provided.
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2. Delivery within 30 or less days of confmnation of orders.
3.
It is understood that quote proposals may not be withdrawn within 30 days of submission,
and that the City of Chanhassen reserves the right to reject any or all quotes and waive
all formalities. Proposals will be accepted through 12:00 p.m., Monday, August 24, 1992.
All awards shall be made individually by sheet, with recommendations for award being
made at the August 25, 1992, Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission meeting.n
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Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
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pc: Don Ashworth, City Manager
Tom Workman, Councilman
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SHEET 1, 3 ITEMS
One (1) heavy duty swing unit:
. Ten ft. High
. Two Bay, Four Swing
. Three leg design
. Seats: Slash-proof, three belt, one fully enclosed tot seat; no pinch points
. Top Rail: 3~-inch OD or greater galvanized steel, powder-coated (color to be
specified at time of order.
. Legs: 2o/a-inch OD or greater galvanized steel
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Chain: 4/0 or greater welded galvanized steel
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. Hangers: High tensile aluminum or malleable iron with oil impregnated bearings.
Two (2) Single Event Coil Spring Animals. Note: Vendor may supply alternate choices
of pairs of spring animals at differing price levels, not to exceed $1,000.00 total.
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Twelve (12) Picnic Tables (6 of the 12 with extended planks for accessibility):
. l%-inch galvanized steel pipe.
. All brackets and cross braces galvanized steel, "heavy duty".
. 6 ft. in length
. Wood planks to be brown treated pine, or alternate rot resistant wood
Two (2) Accessible Single Pedestal Heavy Duty Picnic Tables:
. Punch steel vinyl clad tops and seats; Alternate: aluminum tops and seats.
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One (1) Play Structure, Phase I of two phases (please show both phases in drawings if possible):
. Location: Herman Field Park (see attached plan), 2591 Forest Avenue,
Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317
. Acceptable Material Options: Alternate 1: Aluminum or galvanized steel post, powder
coated. Decks shall be coated metal. Alternate 2: Redwood posts. Decks shall be
coated metal.
. Area Available: Approximately 50 ft. x 50 ft., can be expanded to the south or west if
necessary to accommodate both phases.
Border Wood: Material shall be Redwood of sufficient lineal feet to encompass both
Phase I and Phase IT, with finished dimension of 6 inches wide by 12 inches high.
. Targeted Users: Phase I: Ages 6-12; Phase IT: Ages 3-6.
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Required Play Experiences:
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Phase I: Multiple slides and decks; horizontal ladder or horizontal ring ladder;
bridge; and detached swings with a minimum of one (1) tire, one (1) fully
enclosed tot seat, and one (1) belt seat.
Phase IT: Crawl tubes, multiple slides and decks; spring animals; and additional
swings.
. Supplier to provide drawings and detailed specifications of proposed equipment, i.e. deck
heights, slide widths, colors available, etc.
. City to install border wood, resilient surfacing, and equipment per specifications of
supplier.
. Total available funds to purchase Phase I play structure and Phase I and IT border wood
is $12,500.00 or less. For design pwposes, Phase.II can be considered at a purchase price
of $10,000.00. .
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
August 21, 1992
SUBJ:
1993 Park Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program, Final
Draft
The attached Five Year Capital Improvement Program has been updated to document the changes
made by the commission on August 11, 1992. A detail sheet showing the proposed 1993
Function 410 Park Acquisition and Development CIP budget is also attached. The budget figures
under year 1992 reflect what has been expended to date and the remainder which is anticipated
to be expended by years end. The new total for 1992 is $141,950. The original 1992 CIP called
out $145,000 in expenditures. Year 1993 figures reflect the changes made by the commission
on August 11, 1992, as do the projections for the remaining years 1994, 1995, and 1996. The
current total for 1993 is $142,050. As detailed in my report of July 23, 1992 (copy attached),
it is recommended that maximum budgeted expenditures, including any new reserves, not exceed
$150,000. Adding the newly proposed $25,000 reserve for use in matching school district funds
for improvements at City Center Park/Chanhassen Elementary School to the $142,050, totals
$167,050. This leaves the targeted figure of $150,000, $17,050 over budget. At current cash on
hand levels, it is not advisable to depend on the "savings account" to cover this new reserve. It
is recommended that either the new reserve amount be allocated in staggered years, or that other
CIP expenditures be reduced to accommodate the $25,000 reserve.
Currently, 45% of the proposed CIP is allocated for the lighting of the ballfield at Lake Susan
Park. A report requested from Jerry Ruegemer in regard to field usage levels is attached. I
classify the expenditure of $65,000 for ballfield lights as.a "bite the bullet" type of project. It
is a big chunk of money, but once the lights are installed, an investment in the future of the
summer sport of baseball has been made. This investment can only be justified, however, if the
$65,000 could not have provided more benefit by being used in other ways. Obviously the
development of a city park system does not present a perfect economic model, and the
measurement of benefit, both direct and indirect, is a complicated issue when faced with diverse
user groups. Under the current funding alignment, residents who enjoy skating are losing out to
those who enjoy baseball. Is this equitable? In the same regard, it can be argued that the
summer season already provides ample opportunities for recreation, whereas the winter months
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offer fewer opportunities. These statements are notmade to bias the commission. I do, however,
want to ensure that sufficient time and consideration is given to the 1993 CIP prior to a
recommendation for its adoption being forwarded.
The current total of $167,050 also does not include any miscellaneous items as listed under
"other improvements" in your packet. Items such as spectator seating, additional picnic tables,
the new parkland identification signs, boy scout projects, and contingency monies have not been
identified.
Conclusion
Staff is anticipating that all discussion necessary to complete the 1993 Park Acquisition and
Development Capital Improvement Program will occur on August 25, and that a budget
recommendation consistent with the commission's mission statement and overall park
development vision will be forwarded to the City Council.
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PROPOSED 1993 FUNCTION 410 PARK ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET
AUGUST, 1992
Bandimere Community Park
Wood Identification Sign $ 400.00
Bandimere Heights Park
Swings $ 1,500.00
Bluff Creek Park
Carver Beach Park
Grills (2) $ 400.00
Picnic Tables (2) $ 1,300.00
Swimming Buoys & Signage (Mini Beach) $ 1,500.00
Carver Beach Playground
Bleacher $ 1,400.00
Chanhassen Estates Mini Park
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Half Court Basketball $ 2,500.00
Trees 1,000.00
Chanhassen Pond Park
Wood Park Identification Sign $ 250.00
Repair Observation Platform 2,000.00
City Center Park
Curry Farms Park
Trees $ 500.00
Swing Set $ 1,500.00
Greenwood Shores Park
Grill $ 200.00
Herman Field Park
Wood Park Identification Sign $ 200.00
Lake Ann Park
First Aid Supplies $ 400.00
e Lifeguard Room Equipment $ 1,500.00
Rescue Board $ 500.00
Freezer $ 400.00 e
Refrigerator $ 500.00
Microwave $ 300.00
Menu Boards $ 300.00
Building Supplies & Equipment $ 3,000.00
Row Boats (2) $ 1,300.00
Canoes (3) $ 1,200.00
Paddle Boats (2) $ 1,650.00
Life Jackets (20) $ 500.00
Canoe Paddles (10) $ 200.00
Play-aks (6) $ 1,800.00
Play-aks Paddles (8) $ 200.00
Outdoor Motor $ 750.00
Shelter Landscaping $ 1,500.00
Boundary Buoys $ 1,300.00
Bituminous Trail Loop $ 10,500.00
Contingency $ 1,200.00
Trees $ 1,000.00
Lake Susan Park
Ballfield Lights $ 65,000.00
Meadow Green Park e
Bleacher $ 1,400.00
Minnewashta Heights Park
North Lotus lake Park
Trees $ 1,000.00
Pheasant Hill Park
Power Hill Park
General Improvements; Final Grading, Seeding, Entrance Road
and Parking $ 15,000.00
Prairie Knoll Park
Rice Marsh Lake Park
South Lotus Lake Park
Sunset Ridge Park
Trees $ 1,000.00
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
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Park Name: Bandimere Community Park
Address:
9405 Great Plains Blvd (TH 101)
Acres:
30
Class:
Community
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Complete a needs assessment
study in 1992. Proceed with
development of park based on
results of study.
1.0. Sign 400.00
TOTALS 400.00
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Concept Master Park Plan prepared in .1989.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name:
Bandimere Heights Park
Address:
9290 Kiowa Trail
Acres:
3
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Wood Park 10 Sign 200.
Play Area .00 .00 .00 8,000.
Refurbishment
Swings 1500.00
TOTALS: 200. 1500.00 .00 .00 8,000.
Notes: Extensive regrading and site work was initiated in the fall of 1991. Work to be
completed in 1992.
1991 Improvements
Play Area Expansion
Sand Volleyball Court
Paving of Offstreet Parking
$3,500.00
$200.00
$400.00
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name:
Address:
Acres:
Class:
Bluff Creek Park
Hesse Farm Road
21
Open Space
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
.00 .00 .00 .00 .00
TOTALS: .00 .00 .00 .00 .00
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Notes: To be incorporated into the Bluff Creek Preservation zone.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Carver Beach Park
Address: 6891 Lotus Trail
Acres: 8
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Play Area 2,200.
Refurbishment
Grills(2) 400.
Picnic Tables(2) 1,300.
Swimming Bouy's 1,500.
& Signage
(Mini Beach)
Swimming Bouy's
& Signage 1,500.
(Main Beach)
Park Benches 2,000.
TOTALS: 2,200. 3,200. 1,500 .00 2,000.
Notes:
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Park Name: Carver Beach Playground
Address: 900 Carver Beach Road
Acres: 3
Class: Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Wood Park 10 Sign 200.
Replacement of Swing 950.
Add'n of Two Spring 1,000.
Animals
Bleacher 1400.
Skating Rink Electrical 6,000.
Service with Light
Board Wood & Pea 1 ,400.
Gravel
New Backstop 1,200.
TOTALS: 3,550. 1 ,400. 6,000. .00 1,200.
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1991 Improvements
Play area expansion 5,000.00
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Park Name:
Chanhassen Estates Mini Park
55 Lake Drive East
Address:
Acres:
1
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Wood Park ID Sign 200.
Picnic Tables(3)
Basketball Court 2,500.
Play Area .00
TOTALS: 200. .00 2,500. .00
Notes:
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Park Name: Chanhassen Hills Park
Address:
8579 Chanhassen Hills Drive South
Acres:
8
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Wood Park 10 Sign 250.
Construction of a 1,500.
Ballfield
Installation of Trees
Basketball Half Court 2,500.
Trees 1,000.
Play Area Expansion
10,000.
TOTALS: 1,750. 3,500. 10,000. .00
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Park Name: Chanhassen Pond Park
Address:
7500 Laredo Drive
Acres:
16
Class:
Open Space
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Wood Park ID Sign 200.
Wheel Chair 500.
Accessable Picnic
Table
Picnic Table 450.
Wood Park ID Sign 250.
Replace Stai rs .00 .00 4,000.
Repair Observation 2,000.
Platfo.rm
TOTALS: 1,150. 2250. .00 .00 4,000.
Notes:
1991 Improvements
Correction of erosion areas
3,000.00
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Park Name: City Center Park
Address:
710 Coulter Drive
Acres:
10
Class:
Community
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Play Area Expansion
(50% share)
New Basketball
Poles and Standards
Play Area Expansion 12,000.
(50% Share)
Tennis Courts
Maintenance 4,000.
TOTALS: .00 .00 16,000. .00 .00
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Notes: Configuration of park is subject to change dependent on the outcome of Central
Park Master plans.
1991 Improvements
Play area expansions
Tennis Court Refurbishment
Master Plan Development
Warming House
70,000.00
25,000.00
2,000.00
1 ,000.00
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Park Name: Curry Farms Park
Address:
1300 Stratton Court
Acres:
6
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Wood Park 10 Sign 200.
Trees 500.
Trees .00 .00 500.
Swingset 1500.
Play Area Expansion 5,000.
TOTALS: 200. 2000. .00 5000. 500
Notes: 1991 Improvements:
Play area expansion
Ballfield construction
Trail construction
2,500.00
2,000.00
5,500.00
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Park Name: Greenwood Shores Park
Address:
7110 Utica Lane
Acres:
4
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Grills 200.
TOTALS: .00 200. .00 .00 .00
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Notes: Discussion included possibility of installing a sand volleyball court. Site
constrictons make this installation prohibitiv~.
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Park Name: Herman Field Park
Address:
2591 Forest Avenue
Acres:
13
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
1 st Phase Play Area 13,000.
with Border
Wood/Pea Gravel
Superdeck 6,000.
Boardwalk
Picnic Tables & Play 1,500.
Area Bench
Single Tennis Court 20,000.
with Basketball Hoop
Play Area Expansion Beyond
1996
Wood Park I.D. Sign 200.
TOTALS: 20,500. 200. .00 20,000.
Notes: Construction of trail loops will be completed in 1992 by park maintenance
personnel. Negotiations for a trail connection to Minnewashta Regional Park
are underway.
1991 Improvements:
Grading surfacing, installation of access road
50,000.00
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Lake Ann Park
Address: 1456 Arboretum Blvd (Hwy. 5)
Acres: 98
Class: Community
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
SHELTER
First Aid supplies 400.
Lifeguard Room Equipment 1,500.
Rescue Board 500.
Cash Register 150.
Freezer 400.
Refrigerator 500.
Microwave 300.
Menu Boards 300.
Building Supplies & 3,000.
Equipment
Row Boats(3) 1,300.
Canoes (3) 1,200.
Paddle Boats (2) 1,650.
Life Jackets (20) 500.
Canoe Paddles (10) 200.
Play-aks (6) 1,800.
Play-ak Paddles (8) 200.
Outboard Motor 750.
Shelter Landscaping 1,500.
Boundary Buoys 1,300.
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GENERAL 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Drainage Improvements, 1,000.
Field #6
Supplies for Conversion of 500.
Field #2 to Little League
Bituminous Trail Loop 10,500.
Fencing 2,200.
Picnic Shelter (Parkview) 50,000.
Ballfield Restroom & Beyond 1996
Concession Building
Trees 1,000. 3,000.
Contingency 1,200.
Dock 2,500.
SUBTOTAL: 3,700. .00 .00 .00 50,000.
GRAND TOTAL: 3,850. 30,000. 5,500. .00 50,000.
Notes: Lake Ann Park is entering a stage of final transformation to a "full service"
community park. The installation of services, i.e. phone, electric, sewer, water
will allow the future construction of a group reservation picnic shelter at the
parkview area, the construction of a serviceable shelter at the ballfields, and
other improvements.
1991 Improvements
Swimming raft 10,000.00
Player benches 2,500.00
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Park Name: Lake Susan Park
Address:
903 Lake Drive East
Acres:
27
Class:
Community
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Trail Line to 21,000.
Chanhassen Hills
Aeration system
Installation
Track Ride 1,500.
Ballfield Lights 65,000.
TOTALS: 21,000. 65,000. 1,500. .00 .00
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Park Name: Meadow Green Park
Address:
921 Pontiac Lane
Acres:
18
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Installation of Trees 400.
Bleacher 1 ,400.
Skating Rink Electrical 6,000.
Service With Light
P lay Area 20,000.
Refurbishment
TOTALS: 400. 1,400. 6,000. .00 20,000.
Notes:
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Park Name: Minnewashta Heights Park
Address:
6220 Dogwood Avenue
Acres:
2
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Play Area Expansion 3,000.
Skating Rink Electrical 6,000.
Service w/Light
Play Area 7,000. .00
Refurbishment
TOTALS: 3,000. .00 6,000. 7,000. .00
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Park Name: North Lotus Lake Park
Address:
295 Pleasant View Road
Acres:
18
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Skating Rink Electrical 8,000.
Service w/Lights
Hockey Rink with 25,000.
Lights
Play Area Expansion 12,000.
Trees 1,000.
TOTALS: .00 1,000. 20,000. 25,000. .00
Notes:
Additional wind screen plantings for the tennis courts will occur in 1992.
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Park Name: Pheasant Hill Park
Address:
1720 Lake Lucy Lane
Acres:
11
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Engineering, surveying, 10,000.00
Staking, Grading,
Surfacing, & Site
Preparation Associated
with Initial Phase of
Construction
Play Area 20,000.00
Picnic Tables 3,000.00
Park Benches 1 ,600.00
Double Tennis Court Beyond
with Basketball Hoops 1996
Play Area Expansion Beyond
1996
TOTALS: 10,000.00 .00 24,600.00 .00 .00
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Park Master Plan approved in 1991.
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Park Name: Power Hill Park
Address:
Flamingo Drive
Acres:
18
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
General Improvements, 15,000.00
Final Grading, Seeding
Entrance Road &
Parking
Play Area Expansion 18,000.00
Trees and Backstop 3,500.00
Picnic Shelter Beyond
1996
TOTALS: .00 15,000.00 3,500.00 18,000.00 .00
Notes:
Boundary of this park is being defined through the development of the 7th and 8th
addition of Lake Susan Hills West. New homes are currently being constructed on the
eastern border of the park.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Park Name: Prairie Knoll Park
Address:
1124 Dove Court
Acres:
4
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Site Preparation 4,000.00
P lay Area 10,000.00
TOTALS: .00 .00 4,000.00 .00 10,000.00
Notes: The access trail to Prairie Knoll Park from Dove Court will be installed by the
developer to the rear of the lots which it bisects.
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Park Name: Rice Marsh Lake Park
Address:
8119 Erie Circle
Acres:
30 (90% wetland)
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Play Area Expansion 4,000.00
P lay Area 7,000.00
Refurbishment
Picnic Shelter Beyond
Replacement 1996
TOTALS: 4,000.00 .00 .00 .00 7,000.00
Notes:
1991 Improvements - Completion of half court basketball court, installation of
swing unit and expanded border wood area.
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Park Name: South Lotus Lake Park
Address: 7610 South Shore
Acres: 7
Class: Community
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Unsurmountable 10,000.00
Curbing
Play Area Expansion 14,000.00
TOTALS: .00 .00 10,000.00 .00 14,000.00
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Park Name: Sunset Ridge Park
Address:
1364 Lake Susan Hills Drive
Acres:
10
Class:
Neighborhood
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Installation of Trees 800.00
Single Tennis Court 20,000.00
with Basketball Hoop
Trees 1 ,000.00
Play Area Expansion 14,000.00
TOTALS: 800.00 15,000.00 20,000.00 .00 .00
Notes:
Initial development of park will be completed in 1991, with total expenditures of
$19,000
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OTHER IMPROVEMENTS
Improvements 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Park Rules Signs 3,500.
Picnic Tables, Benches 3,000.
Spectator Seating, Signage
Boy Scout Project
Tree Farm 200.
Contingency 1,000.
TOTALS: 7,700.
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FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TOTALS
YEAR AMOUNT
1992 $ 141,950.00
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1993 $142,050.00
1994 $ 137,100.00
1995 $ 75,000.00
1996 $116,700.00
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General Fund Reserve $100,000.00
Land Acquisition, West of Lake Minnewashta $150,000.00
City Center Park $ 25,000.00
(for the purpose of matching
School District #112 Funds invested in City
Center Park/Chanhassen Elementary School
Playground)
Total Required Reserve $275,000.00
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
DATE:
August 20, 1992
SUBJ:
Lights for Lake Susan Ballfield
It is always an interesting topic of discussion whether it is feasible to spend the money to light
a ballfield. The 1993 Capital Improvement Program has set aside approximately $65,000 to light
the Lake Susan baseball field. The question is, "Is it worth spending a very large portion of the
CIF on this type of project?" As we look at the constant growth, Chanhassen's baseball
program's participation numbers may surprise you. Organized baseball began in Chanhassen in
1988, with a total of 13 participants signed up to play. Four years later in 1992, a total of 90
participants just finished playing for the summer in the AAU 13-15 year old program and the
Legion Program. Constant growth such as this starts to put strains on our current facilities in
Chanhassen. In attempting to estimate the number of teams and participants for next year, it is
likely that Chanhassen will have three to four AAU 13 year old teams, four to five 14-15 year
old teams, one AAU 16 year old team, the Legion team, and possibly a town team. All of these
teams will be using Lake Susan next year and by adding lights, it would be like adding another
field to an existing one.
Currently the baseball program in Chanhassen is using the Legion field, Lake Ann, Lake Susan,
and Freeman Field. It is uncertain how long the Legion baseball field will be available to the
associations in town. The same is true for Freeman Field in Shorewood. It is unknown from
year to year whether the baseball fields can be used for our baseball programs. With our adult
softball program growing rapidly, the softball/baseball field #1 at Lake Ann may have to be used
primarily for softball or visa versa. This raises the question of where are the kids or adults going
to play their games?
It is estimated that this summer 1,000 kids participated in organized baseball during the 1992
summer season. The organized baseball groups include: South Tonka Little League, 10-12 year
olds, Classic Little League 9-11 year olds, AAU Baseball, 13-14 year olds, and Legion Baseball.
The younger aged kids currently participating are certainly a feeder for the older aged programs
that are currently starting to experience growing pains.
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Planning for the future of Chanhassen' s baseball program, it seems the only way to stay ahead
of our current facility crisis is to include the ballfield lights as part of the 1993 CIP. The lights
can serve a dual purpose by scheduling summer and fall soccer games and practices when the
field isn't being used for baseball. The soccer program is growing by leaps and bounds, and by
adding the lights at Lake Susan it would help them deal with their increasing numbers.
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
DATE:
August 20, 1992
SUBJ:
Fall Recreation Program Update
The fall of 1992 is promising to be one of the most exciting our department has seen. There are
many new programs being offered this fall. Each program will be reviewed briefly starting with
the new Kids Klub program.
tit Chanhassen Kids Klub: Kids Klub is an after school enrichment program designed for
elementary age students in grades 1-5. The Kids Klub program will meet Monday through
Friday when school is in session from 3:30 to 5:30 p.m. in the Chanhassen Elementary School
Gym. Activities will include arts and crafts, open gym games, movies, live entertainment, special
events, and an after school snack. In conversations with Helen Merchant, Chanhassen
Elementary School Principal, she is very excited about this program and fully supports our
efforts.
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Junior High Jaunts: A series of trips has been planned specifically for teens grades 6-9. The
trips are being offered as a cooperative effort between Chanhassen and Chaska Park and
Recreation Departments. The trips will start in September and conclude in December. Here is
the order of the trips:
Roller Skating - Cheep Skate
Haunted Hayride
Lava Links Mini-Golf and Driving Range
Snow Tubing - Green Acres
Middle School Teen Night Out: Since the teen night outs last year were very popular, they will
again be offered this upcoming school year. Activities include swimming, volleyball, basketball,
dancing, music and prize drawings. The three teen nights out will be organized on Fridays,
October 23, December 11 and January 22. All three will be from 7:00 to 9:30 p.m. with an
admission charge of $3.00.
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Breakfast With Santa: The annual breakfast is Sunday, December 6 at Chanhassen Elementary
School. Pancakes, sausage, milk, juice and coffee will be selVed.
Birthday Bonanzas: Birthday Bonanzas is a brand new program where parents can pay a fee to
have our department form and plan a birthday party for their children. Parents have 3 different
parties to choose from--an Old Fashion Party, a Hawaiian Luau, or a Fabulous Fabric Painting
Party.
For all the parties, the Park and Recreation Department will provide general party decorations,
goody bags for each person, supelVised activities, white paper goods, utensils, candles, ice cream
and a juice drink.
Karateffae K won Do: This popular Korean martial art teaches students self-defense,
concentration, discipline and mental well-being. Classes will be Tuesdays and Thursdays starting
September 24. All classes will be at the Chanhassen Elementary School.
Saturday Youth Gym: This open gym will be available at Chanhassen Elementary School from
1:00-4:00 p.m., October 3 through March 27. A fee of $1.00 allows a child to participate in a
pick up game of basketball.
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the opportunity to participate in pick up basketball games at Chanhassen Elementary School.
There is a fee of $1.50 per night or $10.00 for a ten night pass.
Men's Five Man Basketball: This five-on-five league will begin games in November and finish
playoffs in March. Games will be played at the Chaska Middle School and the Chaska
Community Center.
Fall/Winter Volleyball Games: Leagues are forming for fall and winter volleyball leagues. Co-
Rec, Women's and Men's League will play at various sites around School District 112.
Adult Golf Lessons: Beginner and intermediate adult golf lessons. will be offered at Swings this
fall starting in early September. Different subjects will be taught to the two different levels.
Lessons will be on Tuesdays and Thursdays with a fee of $30.00 for 5 lessons.
Oktoberfest: Oktoberfest will be on Friday, September 25 from 5:00-11:00 p.m. in the lower
parking lot of City Hall. Live entertainment, food, music, games, hot air balloon rides, and
Rotary Bingo.
Program code numbers will be used to better the program registration procedure for our area
residents. Using these codes, the pertinent information is entered into the computer and can be
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Halloween Mask Making: For this program, each child will create their own full face Halloween
mask out of special plaster of paris strips (harmless to the skin). Supplies will be provided to
decorate the masks. This program will be Thursday, October 22 at the old Village Hall.
My Pal the Pumpkin: My Pal the Pumpkin will provide the opportunity for kids and their
parents to carve and decorate a pumpkin just in time for Halloween. All pumpkins and supplies
will be included in the $6.00 fee. The Chanhassen Elementary School will be used on Saturday,
October 24 for this fIrst ever special event.
Halloween Party and Hay Ride: Chanhassen's annual Halloween Party will be Friday, October
30 from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. at the Chanhassen Elementary School. A fee of $2.00 will cover all
activities which include: trick-or-treating, hay wagon rides, and hot chocolate and treats.
Dabble, Dibble and Doodle: Kids will experience a number of ways to make, play or display
drawings using techniques like paper mache', origami, simple puppetry, and different styles of
painting. The program is Monday nights, 6:15-7:15 p.m. from October 19 to November 23 at
the Chanhassen Senior Center.
Make It Naturally: Parents and their children ages 2-3 years old will spend time together playing
games, tumbling, singing songs, and participating in other activities designed to increase motor
development and socialization skills. The Chanhassen Elementary School will be used on
Saturdays from September 19 through October 24 from 10:00 to 10:45 a.m.
ElfIn Exercise: This fitness class is designed for 4-6 year olds. Movement and exercise will
increase children's coordination, agility and rhythm. Tumbling, balancing and the use of light
exercise equipment will be used. The program will begin September 19 and run every Saturday
until October 24.
Tiny Tot Tours: Parents and their children will have the opportunity to tour and explore different
businesses around the area. Three separate trips have been organized:
Sponsel's Minnesota Harvest Apple Orchard
Gedney Pickle Company
Fire Station and Pizza Hut
The trips will be Tuesdays, September 29 through November 17.
Children's Workshop: Happy Holiday Crafts: This arts and crafts class will have a special
project depending on what holiday season it is. Projects will include making a Scarecrow Sam,
Gloria/George Rag Ghost, and many others. The program is available for children K-5 grades.
Classes will be Mondays in the Chanhassen Senior Center.
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August 20, 1992
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used to create rosters and gather other interesting information that can be used to better our
programs on an annual basis.
These fall programs offer a lot of opportunities for our area residents. Dawn did an excellent
job in preparing all these new programs and trips for this fall and winter.
Coordinator's Comments: As noted by Jerry, the contributions of Dawn Lemme in coordinating
many new fall programs are astounding. Dawn also acted as editor for the city's fall newsletter
which was distributed in the Chanhassen Villager on August 20. Dawn's new programs:
Chanhassen Kid's Klub; Junior High Jaunts; Halloween Mask Making; My Pal the Pumpkin;
Dabble, Dibble and Doodle; Make it Naturally; Elfm Exercise; Tiny Tot Tours; Children's
Workshop--Happy Holiday Crafts; and Birthday Bonanzas provide increased opportunity for our
young residents. All promise to be successful with the new Chanhassen Kid's Klub being
potentially one of the most widely received. In times of difficult scheduling for parents with
children, this program will offer some flexibility in after school child care.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
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FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
August 20, 1992
SUBJ:
Joint Meeting with City Council, September, Lake Ann Park Picnic/Recreation
Shelter
I will be polling the Mayor and City Council m~p1bers on Monday, August 24 as to their
preference for a meeting date and time for tQ,e afor~mentioned meeting. A potential date and
time may be prior to the regularly sched coIl'lftllssion meeting on September 22. This
arrangement may not allow sufficient time owever, for both meetings.
I will update the Commission on the 25t.li n regard to cU~cussions with the City Council on this
Issue.
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Letter from Kathy Schrock dated July 14, 1992, regarding the 1992 Hall of Ideas.
Letter to ALM Builders dated July 28, 1992.
Letter to Jerry Ruegemer dated July 28, 1992.
Letter to Dawn Lemme dated July 28, 1992.
Letter from Thomas J. Sak, DNR dated August 6, 1992.
Newspaper Article entitled "Abandoned Rail Line Bridges to be Razed," Carver County Herald.
Newspaper Article entitled "Waconia Park in Site," Carver County Herald.
Letter from Jon Weller dated August 7, 1992.
Letter to Jon Weller dated August 12, 1992.
Letter from Gerald J. Johnson dated August 9, 1992.
Study entitled "Going for the Gold--Shared Strategies of Successful Public Park and Recreation
Systems," from Ellen O'Sullivan, Ph.D.
Memo to Jo Ann Olsen dated August 12, 1992, regarding Johnson, Dolesji, Turner Property.
Memo to Paul Krauss dated August 12, 1992, regarding Target.
Letter to Ken Larson dated August 17, 1992.
Letter to Dave Tillmans dated August 17, 1992.
Letter to Mr. & Mrs. Patrick McRaith dated August 17, 1992.
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Enclosed you will find the Brochure Copy for
the Hall of Ideas. Please review the
description of your entry, make any needed
changes and return to me by Friday, July 17.
There is still room for nine more ideas to be
exhibited. Encourage your fellow MRPA members
to submit their latest creation for the rest
of us to further enhance our programs.
Thank you,
Ka~Ck
Hall of Ideas Coordinator
A Program of School District 656 and the Citv of Faribault
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Brochure Copy
HALL OF IDEAS
Discover the exciting programs, projects and ideas that are
happening within our state. Located in the exhibit hall area.
"Who Done It" Volksmarch
South of the River Recreators
A sanctioned Volksmarch with the added twist of a Murder Mystery
for the walkers to solve.
URBAN P.L.A.C.E. Program
Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board
A unique program utilizing built and natural resources as a
backdrop to provide regular, personally-meaningful, outdoor
environmental experiences.
Lake Ann Park picnic/Recreation Shelter
Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department
A unique two-story shelter totaling 3,000 sq. ft. which includes
a concession area, equipment rental, First Aid/Lifeguard station
and restrooms.
star of the North State Games
Cooperative promotional efforts for health, fitness and good
sportsmanship through amateur sport and recreation participation.
"BiFokal"
Hibbing Parks and Recreation
An interactive aUdio/visual program presented to older adults in
senior housing units.
"lOa Trees for 100 Years"
Austin Parks and Recreation
Building a living memorial to thank~he hometown company of Hormel.
Community support raised $27,000 to continue the legacy of the Jay
C. Hormel Nature center.
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(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
July 28, 1992
Mr. Ken Wendland
Mr. Skip Ristau
ALM Builders
Highway 14 West
P.O. Box 191
Waseca, MN 56093
Gentlemen:
It is with deep concern that I write you in regard to your contract with the City of Chanhassen to construct
our picnic/recreation shelter at Lake Ann Park.. There have been very few days over the past four months
when I thought this project was progressing as it should be, and none in the past month. An excessive
number of days have passed since the intiation of this project, with no work. being completed. It has
become very obvious to the city, our City Councll, our Pm and Recreation Commission, residents, our
consulting engineer, and me that ALM Builders has not given this project top priority. In phone
conversations with you (Mr. Ristau) on July 20 and July 23, 1992, you eluded to some of the
inconveniences being experienced as a part of this project, but acknowledged the lack of progress being
made. Inconveniences and minor delays, as you know, are routine in any construction project Citing
these inconveniences as the reason for your lack of progress on the picnic/recreation shelter would be
considered petty at best.
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The scheduled date of substantial completion under your contract is Friday, August 28, 1992,
approximately one month from today. I wish to make the city's position clear that under the
circumstances, sympathy will be very hard to find come the end of August.
Sincerely,
Todd Hoffman
PaIX and Recreation Coordinator
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Mayor and City Council
PaIX and Recreation Commission
Don Ashworth, City Manager
Dale Gregory, Park Foreman
Steve Kirchman, Building Official
Max Daubenberger, VanDoren Hazard Stallings
Roger Knutson, City Attorney
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CITY OF
CHAHHASSEH
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
July 28, 1992
Mr. Jerry Ruegemer
4216 Aquilla Avenue North
New Hdpe, MN 55428
Dear Jerry:
This letter is to recognize your efforts in coordinating the 1992 Fourth of July Celebration. Many
months of planning and preparation were necessary to bring this event to fruition. Your role in
that process is an important one and is to be commended. The personal commitment necessary
to be placed in the position of being responsible for the success of such an event is large. I have
been pleased to see you accept this commitment for this and other events. In the profession of
municipal recreation, heartfelt acknowledgement of our work is not common place. You must
find some inner satisfaction in a job well done.
Again, the effort and commitment you put into this year's Fourth of July Celebration is
commendable.
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Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
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pc: Administrative Section, City Council Packet, August 10, 1992
Administrative Section, Park and Recreation Commission Packet, August 25, 1992
Don Ashworth, City Manager
Personnel File
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
July 28, 1992
Ms. Dawn Lemme
14500 34th Avenue North
Apt. 302
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Dawn:
This letter serves as recognition of your work on the 1992 Fourth of July Celebration. Your
contributions to this annual event were numerous, refreshing, and very much appreciated. The
personal commitment you displayed to ensure that the celebration was the best it could be is
commendable. I am sure that you will agree that the build up to this event is an intense time for
the department. Your experience in working under these conditions was clearly recognizable. e
Again, thank you for a job well done.
Sincerely,
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Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
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pc: Administrative Section, City Council Packet, August 10, 1992
Administrative Section, Park and Recreation Commission Packet, August 25, 1992
Don Ashworth, City Manager
Personnel File
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~LNDEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES
500 LAFAYETTE ROAD · ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA · 55155-40
DNR IN FORMA TlON
(612) 296-6157
August 6, 1992
Mr. Todd Hoffman
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive, Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Mr. Hoffman:
Please find enclosed five (5) copies of a cost-share agreement for
control of Eurasian watermilfoil. Please sign and date all of the
copies and return them to the following address as soon as
possible: Sandy Lueth
Administrative Unit
500 Lafayette Road
st. Paul, MN 55155-4020
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When the agreement is complete, we will send you a fully executed
copy.
This cost-share money is to be applied to implementing Eurasian
watermilfoil control programs. Once an agreement is reached
between your organization and the Department of Natural Resources
on the best use of these funds, a contractor selected by the State
will perform the necessary work.
Preliminary results of the 1991 applications of aquatic herbicides
for Eurasian watermilfoil control indicate the best work was
accomplished during the fall. Depending on the size and extent of
the infestation, the Department of Natural Resources reserves the
right to delay treatment until the fall if necessary. Most
lakeshore associations, municipalities, and conservation districts
can afford only one full treatment per year, and we would like to
optimize our time and money to be as ssuccessful as possible.
I can be
questions.
reached at
Thank you.
(612)
297-8021
if you have any
further
Watermilfoil Coordinator
of Fish and wildlife
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AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER
Eurasian Watermilfoil Control
Joint Powers Agreement for Herbicide Application
Between
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Department of Natural Resources
State of Minnesota
City of Chanhassen
Local Unit of Government
THIS JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT, made and entered into, by and between the State of
Minnesota (Department of Natural Resources), hereafter referred to as the "Commissioner", and
the City of Chanhassen (c/o Todd Hoffman, City of Chanhassen, 690 Coulter Drive, P.O. Box
147, Chanhassen, MN 55317), hereafter referred to as the "Local Unit",
WITNESSETH;
WHEREAS, the Commissioner has deterrnined that Eurasian waterrnilfoil (Myriophylum
spicatum) is a nuisance plant, detrimental to recreation and native plant species; and
WHEREAS, the 1989 Minnesota Legislature appropriated funds to control the spread of
Eurasian watermilfoil; and
WHEREAS, the Commissioner of Natural Resources has particular responsibilities with regard
to the control of aquatic vegetation in protected waters; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to Minnesota Statute 103G.617, the Commissioner has the authority to e
coordinate control programs with local units of government, special purpose districts, and lake
associations; and
WHEREAS, the Commissioner, pursuant to Minnesota Statute 84.026 is authorized to enter into
contracts with any public or private entity for the provision of statutorily prescribed resource
services; and
WHEREAS, an infestation of Eurasian waterrnilfoil exists in Lotus Lake (D.O.W.
#10-0006), Carver County,
NOW, THEREFORE, the Commissioner, and the Local Unit agree as follows:
A. The Commissioner shaU:
1. Direct a private contractor currently under contract with the Department of
Natural Resources to carry out appropriate control of Eurasian waterrnilfoil in
Lotus Lake.
2. Pay 50% of the cost of herbicide control work up to $3000.00, which ever is less,
on Lotus Lake.r3. Bill the Association for their costs of the control work.
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B.
Tbe Local Unit shall:
1. Pay to the State, upon completion of control work, 50% of the cost of control
work up to $3000.00. If the total cost of the control work is greater than
$6000.00 the Association and the Commissioner may negotiate a cost-share
amendment to this agreeme!lt.
This agreement shall be effective from the date of execution by the Commissioner of Finance
through November 30, 1992. This agreement may be terminated at any time by either party
upon 10 days written notice to the other party.
IN, WITNESS THEREOF, the parties hereto have executed this agreement as of the last date
written below. .
WCAL UNIT
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COMMISSIONER OF
ADMINISTRA TION
By
Title
Date
STATE OF :MINNESOTA
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL
RESOURCES
COMMISSIONER OF FINANCE
By
By
Title
Title
Date
Date
Approved as to fonn and execution
by the ATTORNEY GENERAL
By
Title
Date
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Our 129th Year, No 50 Thursday, Al
Fugitive apprehended two years Mi
Pamela Ie. Newhouse, 28, a fugitive since
1990, WM app'ehcnded in Bumsville on Aug.
7. According to C1aska Police, she was
apprehended through the ooopcrativc efforts
of several police a$encies and, spccificalJy,
the recently organ.zed Minncsoia Fugitive
Task Force.
Newhouse, who fled several charges re-
lated to child abuse, made her first appear-
IIDce in Carver County District Coun Mon-
day. Bail WM lICt at SS,ooo by Judge Thomas
Howe and sbc was released J8ier lbat lime abuse of one of her hl
-day. 'was a fugitive, Carver
She faces the original charges of first de- the process of cstabli
arcc assault, malicious punisbmeot of a cbiJd, tody over both of the I
and criminal endangerment of a child. ' County Attorney Micl
Newhouse's next mun appearance is lICt ' indicated that she bad
for Sept. 1S, with the tdaJ lCbcduJed for Oct. child while a fugitiV'
,13. . ; , '..,. 'liven up for adoptioo
' Now a ~t of Prior Lab, NewboullC Olaska Police aedit
bcaunc a fugitive wbcn !be failed to make a fa'ce with being instru
mun appearance OIl c:bargcs alleging the locate NewhouSe. The
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· :. bridges to be razed
.: Hennepin Parks
will use lines as
temporary trails
By La VODae Barac
Editor ,
A pair of bridges over the Olicago
Nonh Western Railroad line, which
was abandoned a year ago, wi)) be
removed this fal)' The bridges are the
stone graffiti ~ over Highway
101 and the w n trestle bridge
over Highway 212.
At the same time, the Hennepin
County Regional Rail Authority,
owner of the abandoned Jines, bas
reached an agreement with Subur-
ban Hennepin Park Reserve District
for the park system to UlIC that rail
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line and another oDe ~ years
ago as temporary trails in the put
system.
The Minl1CSOt8 DcpInmcnt of
Transportation (MnDOl) will Jet the
aXllraa for bridSC removal OIl Aug.
28 and wort is expeacd to CXXD-
mence work in early October. The
estimated alSt of the pac:tage is
SI60,OOO, 8CCOnting 10 Mark
Krebsb8cb, P'O,jea engineer for
MnDoT.
The trestle bridge over Highway
212 will be removed overnight with
minimal traffic intcderence. Once
the bridge is down, work will CXXD-
mence on c:banging the right-of-way
grade and CXJDStruaing shoulders of
the same width as found on the two
sides of tbe bridge approecb.
TRAILS to page 3
Youth reports Aug. 4 ". "......
sexual assault bymari" ^,
that if the youth dido't' perform a
Yariety of lICxual aCas, be would UlIC a
knife on him. The ""'-ilstnt was de-
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bair IIid be8rd.. After Ibc IISaUJ&. Ibc
l....rcar~Jd ::to '. ",.'~ 10.'
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The repcrt was ICDl SCCu C'.amty ,
because the alleged' ~ essauft
was reported to baYC OCCUrred Ja its
jurisdiction, acrcss fbc, Mi~
lUvcr beneatb_ the H\!r: ~l~F.
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Details arc sketcby on an alleged
lICxuaJ assault that OC:CUrred Aug. 4.
The caJJ was taken by the Qaska
Policel>epanmcnt, but wbcn it was
detrRRiAcd the incident OCCUrred on
&be Scott CoUnty side clllic riWr, Ibc
case was turned over to the Scott
County Sheriff's Department.
AccOrding to police 1OUrces, a 14-
year~ld male reponed that be bad
aossed the bighway bridge to the
Soott County side with another male.
At that point, the other male alleg-
edly lbraItencd the 14-,.,-oJd,1Iying
Waconia park in ~Ite
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According to Krebsbach, there are
three reasons the bridge over High-
way 212 is coming down. They are
the condition of the bridge, the nar-
, row roadway, and the rail authority's
oona:ms about accidents on the brid~.
Built in the 1920s, the bridge is m
"poor shape," according to Krebsbach.
Repairing it would be "much more
expensive than the $40,000 we're
planning to spend to remove it," he
said. Actually, the project cost is
$40,000 for bridge removal, plus
another $20,000 for grading and
shoulder improvements.
He added that the project had been
earmarked for 1994, but was advanced
because it is a safety project, as well
as being a fairly inexpensive one.
The road narrows on both sides of
the bridge approach and there is vir-
tually no shoulder. Over the years,
the bridge has been hit several times.
Now a guard rail protecting it gets
hit. A wooden structure, Krebsbach
said, it would not be usable by the
light rail transit that will be con-
structed someday. Since, the rail
authority was concerned about acci-
dents and the bridge is not salvage-
able, it seemed reasonable to remove
it now.
It will be removed during the night.
Then durin the da ,road work will
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ture, "although the safety hazards are
coosiderably greater" for the High-
way 101 bridge.
The bridge and road are very nar-
row. Compounding the danger is the
poor visibility that comes from a
curve in the road right 81 the southern
bridge approach. then there is the
steep incline of the road.
When the bridge has been removed,
the road will be widened in the bridge
area and some remedial work will be
done to soften the curve in the road.
From rail lines
to trail lines
While MnDOT works at removal
of old railroad bridges,.the Suburban
Hennepin Parks Systems has reached
an a~ment with the light rail au-
thonty for the temporary use of two
abandoned lines. .
Light rail will not be constructed
for several years over either the
Chicago North Western's southern
route from Hopkins to Claska or its
more northerly former route from
Hopkins to Victoria. As a result the
rail authoritr has granted the park
s stem the n ht to ' te both
cess and other improvements to the
line, which runs nearly 13 miles from
H~ through Minnetonka, Eden
Prame, Clanhassen and to Claska.
"We thinle it has tremendous p0-
tential," be said of the proposed trail.
The line between lioPJcins ilnd
Victoria was abandoned 10 to 15
years ago. W($ of victOria, the Carver
County Board opted not to save the
land, rather allowing abutting pri-
vate propert)' owners to lKXIuire it.
From Victona to Hopkins, however,
it was retained as a public entity.
Along the route, cities such as
Victoria have established and main-
, tained trails along the portions of the
line within their communities.
Bryant said Hennepin parks will
worle with the cities in making fur-
ther plans fer the trail line. Den Miller,
who will be the staff person assigned
to the trail, win meet and walle the
trail with representatives of each city
along the 16 mile route, said Bryant.
That's seven cities - Hopkins,
Minnetonka, Deephaven, Greenwood,
. Shorewood, Excelsior and Victoria.
"Instead of each city having its
own rules, it will have some uni-
formity," Bryant said.
It is important to act now. Bryant
said, because there are people along
the route who have begun to en-
6-year-(
drowns
Crow R
A six-year-old Ma,
Thomas McKee, dro
Aug. 10 in the rain.
River in Mayer. At :
Carver County Sheril
received a 911 call fo
ing the youngster wi
playing with a brothe
young boys near tb<
area of County Road
swept away in the :
Carver County deput
team, plus the MaYl
ment responded to tt
The boy was recovl
team at 2:05 p.m. I
downstream from w
into the river.
CPR was begun ill"
youngster was t
Ridgeview Medical (
nia where resuscitati
continued.
All attempts to S8V
failed and he was pr
at 4:40 p.m.
The nver was sw
recent rains and tt
ronsiderably swift,
Carver County Capt<
DenBroeke.
Jerred was the son (
McKee of Mayer.
Area he
prices j
12 pere
in first I
of '92
The average homt
eastern Carver Col
percent in the first
compared to the fin
acxx>rding to figures r
by the Multiple Lis
the Minneapolis Are;.
Realtors.
The average sales
sold in eastern CaM
the first balf of 1992
12.3 percent inaeas
~ in 1991. Ea5'
mcludes ~
;b;;~id~r improvements: - Along the route,' cities such as
He added that the project had been Victoria have established and main-
earmarked for 1994, but ~advanced From rail lines tained trails along the portions of the
because it is a safety project, as well' line within their communities.
as being a fairly inexpensive one. to trail lines Bryant said Hennepin parks will
The road narrows on both sides of work with tbe cities in making fur-
tbe bridge approach and tbere is vir- While MnDOT works at removal thcr plans for the traillinc. Dell Miller, The average home. &
tually no shoulder. Over the years, of old railroad bridges, .the Suburban who will be the staff person assigned eastern Carver It I
the bridge has been hit several times. Hennepin Parks Systems has reached to the trail, will meet and walk the percent in the Ii
Now a guard rail protecting it gets an a~eement with the light rail au- trail with representatives of each city compared to the Irst h
hit. A wooden structure, Krebsbacb thonty for the temporary use of two alonf the 16 mile route, said Bryant. aa:ording to figures reo:
said, it would not be usable by the abandoned lines. . . That s seven cities _ Hopkins, by the Multiple Listinl
light rail transit that will be con- Ught rail will not be constructed Minnetonka, Deephaven, Greenwood, the Minneapolis Area A
strUcted someday. Since, the rail for several years over either the Shorewood, Excelsior and Victoria. Realtors.
authority was concerned about acci- Chicago North Western's southern "Instead of each city having its The average sales pn.
dents and the bridge is not salvage- route from Hopkins to Olaska or its own rules, it will have some uni- sold in eastern Carver a
able, it seemed reasonable to remove more northerly former route from formity," Bryant said. the first half of 1992 WI!
it now. Hopkins to Victoria. As a result the It is important to act now, Bryant 12.3 percent increase fr,
It will be removed during the night. rail authority has granted the park said, because there are people along ~ in 1991. Eastern (
Then during the day, road work will system the nght to incorporate both the route who have begun to en- ~Iu~ Chanhassen,. I
commence on the shoulder area. As a as temporary trails in its trail system. croacb upon it. Those who have VIctona. ~ a com.pans
. result, there may be short del~ late..... ..Arout a-qua~ miJljoo dollaJ$ will encroached will have to be moVed age sales pnce fer smgle-
I at night whife parts o(theb(idgCi;~.;': ~,~on ~~proj~. ,Qn~'~g~'40, he acknowledged. :,..~ the overan~nneapc
tom down, but the shoulder work the park system will recommend Eliminating encroactunents oow Will' , 109 the first 'ha~f Q(' 1~
· will not cause any road closufC.': ~'.d' selectiofr 'Ofta' CQOSLlltinJ engineer, "make, ircasier ax day for light rail' . ,4~3, repr~ntmg ~ ,6.(
! The second bridge to be removed is according to Doug Bryant, paries line construction, too. - . crease from the same IX
. the concrete structure over Highway superintendent. ,', . Perhaps, when light rail is con- "Compared to .other,
101, just oath of Hipay 212. Also ' Some of the work probably will be structcd, an agreement can be reached country, growth m the
i built during the 192<S, It will cost done over the winter, he added. allowing a parallel trail along the real estate. market..has.tx
I about $100,000 for removal. And One thing the park system would route, suggested Bryant. st~y thIS year. saId
: because it is concrete, it will take like to do is tic tbe southern route to "A regional population is going to resl~nt-elect of the
! longer to remove. As a result, the a trail it already has established in be using it ooce it's done," he added. ~ mterest rates are
! road will be cl~ and a detour Shakopee. However, Bryant con- . "I think a lot of people will use it." tractive,. and consumer
I established. c:eded, "We're not even sure with the In the distant future, Bryant would shows Signs of rebounc
I As for why the bridge is coming money we have available ... that we like to see an agreement on extend- peel the ~ half of t
down, Krebsbach said the reasons can go all the way." inB the parks trail from Hopkins to an excellent ume to 00:
. were essentially the same as those Hennepin Parks will provide some Minneapolis along the future light
I given for the wooden trestle struc- signage, some parking for . trail Be- rail line.
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family room, den. DiI'8Ctionl: 10lh Ave. 10 Apgar to pond. Orul buy. DIreclIonI: 41 :
Thc:lrnII Ave. to 1lcll'M, 533 Thomu Ave. to VII8ge to Oelke Rd...
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EXCEPT10NAL VALUEI$t7,1OO
Beller thin rww with IandIcaped lawn. lInlIhId
flunllv mnm. ....""'1 '*"" and \llluIl8d eaIIIlVJll.
WACONIA'S
NEWEST
DEVELOPMENT
VISIT OUR L
DEVELOPMEN
BUILDER
RESOURCE'
Our UI WIIIIllIp IhowI
. ~:a~ ~ ~~r:t= River ~~ the '~,:t~.~.
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i~acon~a park In~~~e
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of boats still in question'
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to be warming to the what JocaJs
view . the special situation of the,
105-acre park It Lake W8COIlia,
aamcly that the ICCODd largest like
in the metro area dc:scna a regiooal
perk. IBid Robena ~im, the chair.
penlOD of the Metropolitan Qxmci1'.
Parts and Open Spas Ownm;.inn,
-105 Ia'CS is very 'ldcquatc be-
cause there is an awful lot or park
land within 1110-milcndius orLakc
Waconia," Greg Proulx IBid. He is a
diver. His wife, Marilyn Proulx, is a
biologist. Both have a great loYe for
the lake as a natwa1 reaource. Through
'membership in the ~e Waconia
Association, they push for decisions
that will ~rve the lake. For one.
the assoaatiOD promotes II trIIi1link '
LAKE WACONIA to .-0- I
.)' JoaatbaD EileDtbal
Stall' writer
. lbc MetropOlitan CouDCil and Jo.
all citizens agree OIl the basic axl-
cepts of a regiODal ~ at Lake
Waconia, but the park s size, bow to
fund the park's CODStructiOD and
operation, and regulating the like's
UIC remain in question. .
Local citizen activists c:a11 the
J)epanment of Natural Resources
poficies on lake use Mformulas, that
build in overuse."
At 105 aaes, the propaiCd regional
IlIBrk docs not meet the MetropOlitan
touDCil's recommended guidelines
or 200-500 acres. The smaller size
will automatically trigger a special
riMew by the MetropOlitan Council,
but members of the Council appear
,.1IeY Orton cI Frtdley, John DrIecoII cI St. Lou" Pwk,
old eon, T8YIOr. painted lira. Walter Rohy'a hou8I
Saturday.
When the clir
cial resources.
So, bow doeI
axltinue to m
demands d. toD
such as a bouse
Sometimes, Ib
job off for IDOl
three. Sometim
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EdItor
Comes a time when it gets bard to
climb a step ladder. The body isn't as
Umber. nor the mind as fearless. The
time is the onset of old age. The
pcblcm is that is also when rctire-
IDCDt limits income and other fiDaD-
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Staff writer
Do new ~
povide vital 'C
or do they spe]
bardsbip? . "
Several or me
Carver County
cism about Ibc
MinDeIota milk
feel the 8dditicr
will DOt caUIC t
care, but I'8tbc
farmers out m
business
WbileI8fety
the lime, on II
C=S~
residues of lilt
their dairy aIttl.
tors bad to tal
IteI'ed by II W
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TheM cowa In B~n BUMgen8' IIlllldng parlor mUll be YIrt.-IIy ~ 01 peniciliin and antIbIotIc8 tor the ci~
oonaumlng public. protection. "
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to agree that mixed solid-waste could
oome from other states, as we]] as
MiMesota. The third option would
also prevent the counties from exe~-
cising any control over where theU'
own solid waste would go.
Although Tyson ~ told the boards
that he wants to use compost as the
disposal method of choice, the lan-
guage provided in all three options
allows his company to process the
solid waste in any manner as long as
it complies with environmental and
tor"'in downtoWn Minneipolis, or to a
refuse-derived fuel (RDf) facility in
Elk River. About. 14 percent would.
be'sent to the Burnsville Landfill.
The proposal would require D?
capital investment on the part of eI-
ther county. Scott and Carver would
pay the same process fee as Henne-
pin County, wbich is $81.65 for each
ton of garbage, while haulers would
be required to pay a tipping fee of
$95. The $14 differtocC for each too
would be returned as a rebate to the
then offeree a motion to aoaI1QUD
Tyson's proposals altogether.
Koniarski warned that pending
legislation, the possibility that Con-
gress will take up the issue of waste
aesignation and states' rights, and
changing technology could mean a
decision now would be a costly one.
The motion failed.
Scott County Commissioner Dal-
las BotInw:k then moved to table
discussion until next week.
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88the... enjoy a sunny afternoon at Lake Waconla while Orncla" from the Metropolitan Councn observe the -
beactua a future alte for the Lake Waconla Regional Par~ .'q; r.:: ~. ~ · . . - ." - . ~l~;:;;'" ~ :', ..
. Lake Waconia frompageone
front the money with a promise to
eventually get full reimbursement
from the Metropolitan Council. If
the County says it needs immediate
reimbursement from dedicated Met
Council funds people may have a
longer wait before a park is built,
said Opheim.
Locals contend that the Depart-
ment of Natural Resources' standard
of one boat per 20 acres of water
aeates an overcrowded lake when it
does DOt count boats launched from
docks other than the ONR launch.
"Overuse tof the lake) is built into
their policy, said Proulx, when dis-
cussing the pI"a5PCct of the regional
park with Metropolitan Council offi-
cials.
"We enoourage public use of the
lake," said Proulx, "But the ONR
doesn't count the guy who rents a
slip on the marina or the Ie who
witb the Hennepin County operated
Carver Park which is only three miles
from Lake Waconia.
Association member Kim Mack-
enthun expressed his optimism: ..
I'm very optimistic this (park con-
struction) can take place now. It's
been 20 years negotIating."
Madcenthun and Proulx believe the
~ toYr.Jd a regiooaJ pII'k should
be Credited in large part to the work
of Carver County Highway Engineer
Roger Gustafson and Parks Director
Mike Liddicoat. .
Among the largest leaps in prog-
ress towards a park are the coming
together of vanous citizens groups
and business people in Waconia,
agreeing to the idea of realigning
roads and making room fa a park on
Lake Waconia's shore. Another maja
step forward is the support of the
Me litan Council for a park 10-
'"That's a minimum number. Our
goal is to reach that level at all met-
ropolitan area lakes. We don't count
other existing acces,ses for the same
reason that we don't count parking
alOng the road near the launches.
Those spots are DOt guaranteed. The
city can decide at any time to past no
parking there," said Martha Reger,
manager of DNR Area 6.
'"The lake will reach a point where .
it is unusable. The land around the
lake is only one third developed now
and the water is already terribly
crowded every weekend," said Proulx.
The ONR launch now bas onl1 40
spaces for car-trailer combinatIons,
but Proulx counted 120 car-trailer
combinationS parked along County
Road 155 outside the ONR launch
parking area, whicb is nortbcast of
the propa!Cd 1OS-aac regional park.
Reger argues that .limiting the
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INTEREST]
The City Coun<
to fill an unex
September ..1&.1
asked to SU.l
to: David Poko
Chaska, MN 5~
Interviews wil'
Below is a r
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with the Hennepin County operated
Carver Park which is only three miles
from Lake Waconia.
Association member Kim Mack-
enthun expressed his optimism: "
I'm very optimistic this (park con-
A struction) can take place now. It's
., been 20 years negotIating."
Mackenthun and Proulx believe the
~ toward a regiooal IJll'k should
be Credited in large part to the work
of Carver County Highway Engineer
Roger Gustafson and Parks Director
Mike Liddicoat. .
Among the largest leaps in prog-
ress towards a park are the coming
together of vanous citizens groups
and business people in Waconia,
agreeing to the idea of realigning
roads and making room for a park on
Lake Waoonia's sOOre. Another majcr
step forward is the support of the
Metropolitan Council for a park lo-
cated on the southeast shore.
Metropolitan Council staff reported:
"A 105 acre regional park on the
southeast shore of Lake Waconia is
justified based on an updated exami-
nation of the needs analysis for this
park comparing actual and projected
populations within seven miles of
the park." ,
Officials and lOcal residents alike
called the money question an unpre-
dictable one. To make room for the
park, the county needs to acquire
land and move Highway 5 and County
A Road 30 from their current align-
.. ments. The land itself was estimated
at $1.1 million by Metropolitan
Council staff. With road relocation,
the park could cost as much as $5.7
million. The Met Council favors plans
costing $3.3 to $3.4 million. Minne-
sota Department of Transportation
bas committed $1 million to the road
relocation. The Met Council staff
suggested that its park fund under-
write $2 million of the cost, and
Carver County come up with
$400,000.
At $29,300 per acre, the develop-
ment cost is in the upper reaches of
what bas been paid for any regional
park in the metro area. This com-
pares to $33,000 per acre to develop
Lake Minnetonka, $28,135 per acre
to develop c.E. French regional P.u'k.
and $8,850 to develop Lake MiI1nc-
wasbta. The only park that cost; far
more was the regional park on the
Mississippi River in downtown
Minneapolis, developed at a cost of
$260,000 per acre due to the expense
of real estate in the city.
Opheim said regional parks are
always paid for by counties, which
are then reimbursed by the Met
A Council. Whether the park gets built
., in the immediate future or later may
boil down to whether the county can
front the money with a promise to
eventually get full reimbursement
from the Metropolitan Council. If
the County says it needs immediate
reimbursement from dedicated Met
Council funds people may have a
longer wait before a park is built,
said Opheim.
Locals contend that the Depart-
ment of Natural Resources' standard
of one boat per 20 acres of water
aeates an overcrowded lake when it
does not count boats launched from
docks other than the DNR launch.
"Overuse (of the lake) is built into
their policy," said Proulx, when dis-
cussing the ~ of the regional
park with Metropolitan Council offi-
cials.
"We encourage public usc of the
lake," said Proulx, "But the DNR
doesn't count the guy who rents a
slip on the marina or the people who
usc the city boat launch in their one
in 20 formula."
He said that everyone has the right
to use the lake safely and comforta-
bly, both members of the general
public and tha;c who own land on
the lake like himself. According to
Proulx the sole guiding philosophy
of the Lake Waconia Homeowners
Association has been to do whatever
best protects the lake as a resource..
The DNR defends its role as guar-
antor of public access and does not
appear willing to bend 00 its ap-
proved one boat for 20 acres for-
mula. This adds up to 160 boats for
the 3,196-acre lake.
'1bat's a minimum number. Our
goal is to reach that level at all met-
ropolitan area lakes. We don't count
other existing accesses for the same
reason that we don't count parking
aloog the road near the launches.
Those spots are not guaranteed. The
city can decide at any time to past no
parking there," said Martha Reger,
manager of DNR Area 6.
"The lake will reach a point where .
it is unusable. The land around the
lake m only one third developed now
and the water is already terribly
aowded every weckem," said Proulx.
The DNR launch now has only 40
spaces for car-trailer combinatIons,
but Proulx counted 120 car-trailer
combinationS parked along County
Road 155 outside the DNR launch
parking area, which is northeast. of
the proposed 105-acre regional park.
Reger argues that limiting the
number of spaces at their launch only
limits the public from using the lake.
Such controls can't prevent a private
landowner from allowing volumes
of boats to be launched from his
property for a fee. As far as regulat-
mg crowding, Reger states the DNR
pasitioo: "take care of safety by meam
of water-usc zoning. lbat CCDtrols
the hours of operation or gives speed
limits. What those do is regulate
equally for everyone."
Proulx and other homeowners
contend that zoning, as opposed to
mixed use, is a solution where every-
one ends up disappointed somehow.
Roberta Opheim and Greg Proulx dl8cua the poaIblllty or a regional
park It Lake Waconl.. OJ)helm .. the chalrpel'8Of1 of the Metropolitan
Council Parka and Open Spac.. Commlulon, and Proulx .. an active
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August 7, 1992
Todd Hoffman
Chanhassen Parks & Recreation Director
690 Coulter Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Re: Signs for Lake Susan Park
Dear Todd:
As per your request last winter, we have placed guide signs for Lake Susan Park on Co. Rd. 17
at the intersection with Lake Drive.
It was necessary for us to delay the placement of these signs because we needed to combine
the fabrication of the signs with a large sign project involving street intersection signs for Lake e
Drive and other locations in Chanhassen.
We hope these new park signs will do a good job in directing motorists to Lake Susan Park.
Sincerely,
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Jon D. Weller
Civil Engineer
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
August 12, 1992 .
Mr. John Weller, Civil Engineer
Public Works Department
Carver County Courthouse
600 East 4th Street
Chaska, MN 55318
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Thank you for installing the two signs on County Road 17 guiding motorists and other
persons to Lake Susan Park in Chanhassen. Upon calling your department last winter, I was
pleased with the cooperative reception I received concerning my inquiry. With the signs now
in place, this popular park will be much easier to fInd. As you know, getting "there" is often
half the battle. Anything we can to do make someone's company picnic, family reunion,
basketball game, etc. easier to fmd is appreciated.
Again, thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
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Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
c: Dale Gregory, Park Foreman
Charles Folch, City Engineer
Scott Harr, Public Safety Director
Roger Gustafson, Carver County Engineer
Park and Recreation Commission
City Council
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Mr. Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive
P.O. Bex 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Mr. Hoffman,
This letter is to inform you that your proposal for a portable aeration system at Lake Susan
was not funded for this fiscal year. As you may know, we are in the process of budget cuts
and only our most basic operating eA'Penses were funded. In fact, we weren't given funding
for any of our aeration of fishing pier projects.
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I will be happy to keep your proposal current and submit it with the next fiscal year's budget
proposal. If you are opposed to this, please indicate your intentions by the end of this
calendar year.
Gerald J. Johnson
Project Coordinator
MN DNR-Fisheries
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MINUTES SHORT-TERM FACILITIES TASK FORCE
AUGUST 10, 1992
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I. Who are you.....what do you bring:
Kathleen Macy Director of Administrative Services
information about the District
three children that are in or have been
in District 112 schools
Dave Pokorney Parent in Chaska community
four children in District 112 schools
Chaska City Administrator
Arlene Borner Parent of two children in District 112 schools
teacher at Chaska Middle School
parent liaison coordinator for District 112
Gino Businaro Parent in Chaska community
two children in District 112 schools
special education business official Mpls
Public Schools
School Board member
Mark Gross Chaska community member
engineer Life Core .
parent of young child
Steve Rasmussen Chaska community member
parent of three students at G.A. and
District 112 schools
affiliated with Guardian Angles Schools
Maureen Puppe Parent of a student at CHS
Chaska community member
business person in travel industry
Chuck Achter Chaska High School Principal
member of the School District for 15 years
Dennis Baldus Victoria community member
parent of three students in District 112 schools
Assistant Principal Chaska Middle School
Karen Blomquist Parent of two students in District 112 schools
teacher at the Early Childhood Center
Victoria community member
Chris Gustafson Chaska community member
parent of young child
teacher of instrumental music at CES, JES, CHAN
Deb Mangen Chaska community member
parent of two children in District 112 schools
one a fifth grader moved from CES to CHAN
educational background.
Ann Curtis Chanhassen community member
parent of two children in District 112 schools
teacher at CHAN elementary
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3. The Short-term Facilities Committee will provide a list
of options considered to address the various issues
surrounding the growth of student population to the
Board of Education with "a best alternative" identified
for Board consideration.
a. the target date for the "best alternative for
1993-94" is March 1993.
b."the best alternative" will include consideration
of that which is effective as well as efficient.
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IV. Demographic Data
Information was provided (and for those not at meeting is provided
in your packet) that included:
projected numbers at various buildings for the 92-93 school
year;
the formula for calculating class size at various levels.
V. Site Utilization
A. Maps of the various buildings within District and the
utilization for 1992-93.
B. Minnetonka Lab Building
while this building was thought to be a viable part of the
plan to meet space needs within the District, its acquisition
is in question.
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VI. What should we know going into this process?
A. What are issues in our communities of which we should be aware?
-what's going to happen to taxes
-Public Relations
-why now and not earlier
-childless residents understanding and accepting of this
problem
-the unique and distinct communities in our District with
regard to politics/socio-economic status/location etc.
-ability or lack of all communities to focus on the District
and its issues apart from political entities
-can we secure the support and aid of business community and
develop partnerships
-how will we balance parental concerns (are some more
legitimate and some less?)
-time the kids are in school
daily scheduling
working parents
days off
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New Haven, CT 06515 Glastonbury. CT 06033
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How do you spell success? Is it money--modern facilities--or expensive
programs? Just what is it that makes public park and recreation depart-
ments o~tstanding or successful? A recent study of National Gold Medal
Award recipients attempted to answer these questions. Modeled upon the
research design utilized by Peters and Waterman in their search for
excellence among American corporations, this study attempted to discern the
secrets behind excellence in public park and recreation departments.
The Sports Foundation through the National Gold Medal Awards has
been selecting and honoring oustanding public departments for excellence
in park and recreation management since 1966. Sponsored by the National
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Sporting Goods Association in cooperation with the National Recreation and
Park Association. this award programs honors five recipients in different
population categories every year.
This article looks at common success strategies shared by ten agencies
who were recipients of the Gold Medal during the years 1989 and 1990.
Admittedly, the ten past recipients examined in this study do have
resources in the form of money, land. facilities',' and staff. but they also have
something else.
It's that something else that interests recreation and park practioners.
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What are the techniques and strategies employed that contribute to the
success of these delivery systems? The following is an overview of
similarities in approaches, characteristics, or strategies shared by these
departments that may be helpful to other public departments. Those
commonalities have been integrated into an Interactive Model: Character-
istics of Successful Public Park and Recreation Delivery Systems.
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Commonalities :
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Leadership/Management
Certainly at the forefront of any organization is its leadership. Sometimes
it consists of one person in the case of small agencies or a team of individuals
in larger delivery systems. This is an important and common ingredient
present within these Gold Medal recipients. Note that two terms are used
within this characteristic--Ieadership and management
Management refers to the more technical and functional aspects of
directing and organizing a delivery system -- the creation and the
implementation of business-like practices and systems to provide for an
efficient organization. Leadership refers to less tangible aspects of an
organization such as creating a vision or building an environment for
growth and innovation.
Each of these nationally recognized agencies maintain a balance between
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Responsiveness
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Quali ty/Experiellce
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business-like practices.. Many of these organiZations have received citations
from outside gro~ps for fiscal management as well as kudos from the local
business community related to operational efficiency.
Illustrations within this category range from detailed. operational
guidelines to major departmental strategies. They practice efficient. internal
communication procedures and also tackle more sophisticated management
applications such as computerized target market mapping and program
registrations,
Plannin\!:
"If you don't know where you're going, then any way will do". This is
not a motto for these organizations. Planning is an ongoing and integral
part of their operations: While this prcx;ess takes on various forms including
master plans. strategic plans, marketing plans, and capital improvement
plans, they serve as a foundation for the progress of these organizations.
These delivery systems take a proactive approach to both planning and
the implementation of these plans including regular citizens' surveys of
satisfaction: annual staff planning retreats; and annual goal development
based on long range planning efforts.
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Accountab ility
Accountability with tax dollars and revenues is central to the success of
dynamic operations. These agencies employ a variety of strategies to
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manaaement and leadership. While proficient at introducini and overseelni
practices required in today's business environment, at the same time they
envision a future for perpetuating a quality-based delivery system by
involving both staff and participants.
Mission
It is the leadership aspect of the agency that best relates to the aeation
and generation of a mission. Regardless of how you choose to specifically
define it, the mission of an organization relates to its values, philosophy,
goals. guidelines. and inherent culture. The mission is pervasive throughout.
It is always written, visible, and consistently plays a role in the day to day
operations and interactions within successful organizations.
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Responsiveness:
A com mon thread throughout these delivery systems is the high priority
placed upon the needs. wants, and desires of the people served. The pursuit
of active listening--not just offering lip service to customers is primary to
their success. Ad hoc patron surveys and suggestions bOles as well as
involving residents in the planning of pools, park renovations. and commu-
nity centers are all standard procedures.
BuildinR the Base:
As tax-supported entities, these agencies recognize the importance
creating and maintaining a base of support within their county, community,
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or district. They keep in close contact with the community as a means of
of assessing needs while sim ultaneously creating a constituency. Efforts
related to this characteristic include utilization of advisory and citizens'
groups as well as the active involvement of staff members in civic and
service organizations within the community.
Consu mate Collaboration
Historically, parks and recreation has served as a facilitator for making
things happen for people within a community. That same "facilitator" concept
holds true today within these departments. but with a renewed gusto. The
scarcity of today's resources whether they be physical. financial. or human
has created a need for government to conduct business using a new
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The Gold Medal agencies facilitate resource sharing by individuals and
groups to more fully meet community-wide needs. They cooperate
effectively with individuals, small groups, other governmental bodies. and
non profits as well as the corporate and private sectors. The combined list of
cooperative arrrangements cited in this study range from mutually develop-
ed and utilized parks and bal1fields to more elaborate public-private
ventures such as sculpture gardens and one of a kind attractions.
Systematic Approach:
The management aspects of these organizations reflect current,
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address their accountability such as marketing plans with automatic
contigencies based upon profit projections; performance-measurement
systems for cost centers; as well as joint purchasing agreements and
aggressive safety and risk management programs.
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Concerted Action:
Gold Medal management systems enable these agencies to move quickly
in response to emerging needs of the community and to take advantage of
truly unique opportunities. These organizations just don't stand still or let
the planning process paralyze them. Whether it be securing land for another
golf course or implementing a drug-abuse program in record time. these
agencies keep moving towards carrying out their mission.
people Power:
Although this characteristic has not been mentioned unt~ now, please
note that its position is at the center of these organizations (see model).
The very real difference contributing to these organization is people.
People in this instance is defined rather broadly and includes internal (staff
and board members) as well as external (volunteers and citizens).
The leadership influence and focus upon creating the mission coupled
with building a sense of ownership among all staff (paid and volunteer)
enables these organizations to scale new heights. The management approach
of creating interactive systems allows people to take responsibility for their
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own areas of expertise and provides the impetus and action for greater
productivity and more quality-based service.
The extensive use of volunteers in a wide range of capacities is part of
the culture developed within these organizations. The belief that creating
leadership opportunities can be beneficial for both programs and services
and for those empowered to volunteer.
Internal:
Employees and Board/Commission Members
There is an underlying belief within these organizations that people want
to count, create, and contribute to the organization and the people they
serve. To that end, a number of strategies are employed. People are
involved in planning. Decision-making and risktaking by individual
employees are encouraged and fun. family-like comradery is nutured.
Opportunities for training and continuing education abound as well as
encouragement to pursue professional memberships and involvement.
Although commissioners are essentially volunteers, they do comprise part
of the internal people power. The term board and commission as used here
reflects the broadest scope of responsibility including policy-making to
advisory capacities. Regardless of their status, they playa role in the success
of these Gold Medal organizations.
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EIternal
Historically, volunteers have been the backbone of the parks and
recreation movement. Gold Medal agencies value volunteers and actively
recruit, encourage, and recognize them. These departments believe that in
order to satisfy the needs of the people they serve that their efforts can be
substantially enhanced by providing opportunities for the leadership and
involvement of others. Volunteers can include individuals or groups such as
special interest, service, or corporate organizations.
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Traditional Innovations:
Knowing clearly what business they are in assists these agencies to stay
with programs and projects that are very much within the traditional realm
of public parks and recreation. However. they provide an updated twist to
traditions by using innovative approaches.
Programs offered by these departments reflect an innovative spirit.
Radical Rap (recreational reading program for at-risk youth) , REC Plus
(afterschool day care), and a junior Wheel Chair Sports Camp employing
.physically disabled staff as role models for youngsters serve as a few
eIamples of these traditional innovations. Such innovative approaches
apply to securing and utiti:r.ing resources as well as exhibited by projects
undertaken by park foundations: pump-priming ventures: and public-
private partnerships.
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Increasingly these departments focus their efforts upon quality. Some of
these departments operate within municipal governments that believe
in the overall optimum quality of public service. There is an increasing
emphasis upon the quality of facility, services. and experiences. Market
segmentation of golf courses on the basis of interest and .ability as well as
frequent restroom checks in parks indicate the regard placed upon
quality experiences.
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The title of this category is in no way meant to be demeaning, In fact,
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just the opposite is true. The success of these organizations is closely tied
to the attention and detailed emphasis placed upon each individual
customer and the huge return on investment generated by focusing upon
seemingly little things.
Little things such as sending thank you notes or naming the rooms in a
new community center after local parks all reflect attention to detail within
each department. This attention to detail extends to people as well as
illustrated by an organization sending birthday cards to employees and
volunteers as well as a department hosting holiday parties during college
breaks for summer staff.
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Parting Thoughts
While it is true that on the surface of the Gold Medal study that many of
these public park and recreation delivery systems have very little in
common, their similiarities outweigh many more obvious differences.
Some of the Gold Medal recipients are park districts operating with fiscal
and managerial autonomy. Other departments are a part of county or
municipal governments. Each serve communities which differ greatly on the
basis of size. geographic location, socio-demographics, and a whole host of
other real and intangible factors. Yet, each of them in their own way share
many commonalities with the others.
These com mon characteristics and strategies have been briefly over-
viewed. It is very important to remember that there is no one factor that
appears to explain the successes of these delivery systems but rather it is
the interaction of a myriad of characteristics which helps explain their
recognized excellence.
Yest it is true that these organizations have the resources with which to
pursue excellence as measured through the Gold Medal Award program.
However. how they use their collective resources is what so clearly
delineates these organizations from others. In tact, many of the character-
istics as well as activities associated with these agencies can be undertaken
and pursued with the current resources available to any organization byw
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This study was made possible through the support of the National
Recreation Poundation in cooperation with the National Recreation
and Part Association.
Special appreciation is extended to the ten Gold Medal Avard
recipients from 1989 and 1990 for their assistance and support:
Broward County (PL) Division of Parts and Recreation
Minneapolis Part and Recreation Board
City of Raleigh (NC) Parts and Recreation
Rockford (IL) Park District
Champaign (IL) Park District
City of Santa Barbara (CA) Recreation and Parts
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Wheaton (IL) Park District
City of Loveland (CO) Parts and Recreation
Wood Dale (IL) Park District
Palm Beach Gardens (PL) Parks and Recreation
Dr. Ellen O'Sullivan, CLPt is an Associate Professor of Recreation and
Leisure Studies at Southern Connecticut State University in New Haven, CT.
More specific information related to this study is available in a management
aid published by the National Recreation and Park Association.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
J 0 Ann Olsen, Senior Planner
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
August 12, 1992
SUBJ:
Land Development Proposal, Preliminary Site Review - Johnson, Dolesji,
Turner Property
The Park and Recreation Commission reviewed this proposal on August 11, 1992. A copy of
the staff report presented that evening is attached. Residents were present at this meeting, as
was Mr. Mike Pflaum, representing Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc. One concern of the _
commission was in regard to the association or "private" park. It was their desire that the .
applicant be required to comply with the requirements of the 1992 Americans With
Disabilities Act (ADA) and the 1992 U. S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Guidelines
for Playground Safety. The expectation that the applicant comply with the commission's
request is reasonable. Upon conclusion of their discussion, Commissioner Schroers moved
that the City Council require full park and trail dedication fees in the absence of land
dedication or trail construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of building permit
application at the per lot fee in force for residential property. At the time of permit
application, the current fees are $500 and $167 per lot, respectively. The above
recommendation being contingent upon:
1. The applicant indicating their intent to develop the private park area as indicated on
the general development plan.
2. The applicant supply a 20 foot wide easement for potential future trail construction
purposes along the western border of the subject property abutting the right-of-way of
State Highway 41.
3. The inclusion of the private park does not diminish the requirements for public
recreation and open space as part of a subdivision, therefore, no credit will be
considered for the inclusion of this private facility.
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Commissioner Andrews seconded the motion and all voted in favor. Mr. Pflaum did request
that upon development of a trail along Highway 41, any unused portions of the trail easement
be vacated. Staff acknowledged that this request would be honored but only for portions of
the easement for which vacation would be reasonable.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Paul Krauss, Planning Director
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FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
August 12, 1992
SUBJ:
Land Development Proposal, Preliminary Site Plan Review - Target
The Park and Recreation Commission reviewed the aforementioned proposal on August 11,
1992. A copy of the staff report presented that evening is attached. Mr. John Dietrich of
RLK Associates, Ltd. was present at the meeting representing Ryan Construction Company,
the applicant. Mr. Dietrich did respond to questions of the commission. Acting as the Park e
and Recreation Commission, there was consensus among the members in accepting full park
and trail fees as a part of this development in lieu of any land dedication or trail construction.
This is assuming that the Planning Commission will be requiring the installation of sidewalks
along West 78th Street. However, a majority of the members acting outside of the parameters
of the commission wished to voice their disapproval of this proposal.
Upon conclusion of their discussion, Commissioner Andrews moved to recommend the City
Council require the applicant to pay full park and trail fees in lieu of land dedication or trail
construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of building permit application at the per
acre rate then in force for commercial{mdustrial properties. At present, these fees are $2,500
per acre and $833 per acre, respectively and that the applicant is held to the highest standards
of a PUD development to ensure a high quality development in the downtown business
district. This motion was seconded by Commissioner Koubsky. Commissioners Andrews,
Pemrick, Erickson, Schroers, and Koubsky voted in favor. Commissioner Lash was opposed.
The motion was approved.
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(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
August 17, 1992
Mr. Ken Larson
Chanhassen Jaycees
P.O. Box 83
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Mr. Larson:
Thank you for taking the initiative to meet with me on July 29, 1992, to discuss the activities of
the Chanhassen Jaycees. As discussed, I am enclosing information the city compiled in hosting
the caramel apple sales for the Oktoberfest in 1991. I hope it proves helpful in your work this
year. Mr. Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor, will be contacting you shortly to discuss the
scheduling of Oktoberfest.
Weare also looking forward to your active involvement in the planning, coordination, and
operation of this year's annual Halloween Party. I would suggest the Jaycees name an event
chair or co-chairs for the party. This person(s) will then work closely with Jerry and Dawn
Lemme, Program Specialist, in planning this event.
Again, thank you for taking an active role in Chanhassen's community events.
Sincerely,
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Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
Enclosures
pc: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
Dawn Lemme, Program Specialist
P.S. If you still are in need of assistance in scheduling a Run, Punt and Pass event, please
e contact Jerry at 937-1900.
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(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
August 17, 1992
Mr. Dave Tillmans
6940 Lotus Trail
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Mr. Tillmans:
This past spring and suinmer you may have seen some of the publicity over the cutting of trees
in Carver Beach Park at Lotus Trail. In driving on Lotus Trail, it is apparent that similar cutting
of trees has occurred in the park across from your residence. I am sure that you are aware that
the cutting of trees in a city park is an illegal activity, punishable by law. If you have any
information in this regard, I would be appreciative if you would contact me. e
I have enclosed some of the information documented from the previously investigated case for
your information.
Sincerely,
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Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Coordinator
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Dale Gregory, Park Foreman
Scott Harr, Public Safety Director
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of trees has occurred in the park across from your residence. I am sure that you ar are that
the cutting of trees in a city park is an illegal activity, punishable by law. ou have any
information in this regard, I would be appreciative if you would conta~.
I have enclosed some of the information d~n~ from the ~ly investigated case for
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Mr. & Mrs. Patrick McRaith
6900 Lotus Trail
Chanhassen, MN 55317
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