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1992 09 22 Agenda e e e 5:30 p.m. 5:45 p.m. 6:45 p.m. 6:45-8:15 p.m. 8:15 p.m. 8:30 p.m. AGENDA JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 1992, 5:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE AND LAKE ANN PARK SHELTER Commission, Council and Staff Members meet in Council Chambers. Car Pool to Lake Ann Park for a Tour of the New PicniclRecreation Shelter. A Picnic Supper will be Served (Weather Permitting). Reconvene in the City Council Chambers. Commission and City Council Discussion. Possible Discussion Items: Park and Recreation Needs Assessment and Opinion Survey The Future of Parks and Recreation in Chanhassen . What are the Priorities? Trails: When, Where, How ($$)? Funding of the Annual Capital Improvement Program Golf Course Bluff Creek Preservation Corridor Central Park: Its effects on City Center Park 1993 Park Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Recommendation Preservation of Open Space Highway 5 Corridor ADJOURN JOINT MEETING CALL TO ORDER PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING 1. Approval of August 11 and 25, 1992 Park and Recreation Commission Minutes. 2. Land Development Proposal, Concept Site Plan Review: Gateway West Business Park Opus Corporation 800 Opus Center 9900 Bren Road East Minnetonka, MN 55343-9600 3. Continuation of Discussion on Park and Recreation Needs Assessment and Opinion Survey. . 4. Tree Preservation Board. 5. Highway 5 Corridor Study. 6. Gate Attendant Program Report. 7. Program Reports: - Summer Discovery Playground Evaluation - Oktoberfest 8. Commision Member Presentations. 9. Administrative Presentations. 10. Administrative Packet. e e e CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~ DATE: September 17, 1992 SUBJ: J oint Meeting e I am pleased to coordinate this opportunity for the Commission and Council to meet, socialize, and discuss mutual interests. It has been some time since this type of meeting has occurred. I have prepared brief introductory comments and attachments for the possible discussion items listed on the agenda. Obviously, in the limited time available, each can only be touched upon, or depending on how things proceed, one or more may be reviewed in more detail. If any Commission or Council members have questions or comments concerning any of these items, or in regard to other issues, please contact me. Please arrive at City Hall at or very close to 5:30 p.m. If yOU do not plan to attend. please call City Hall. The construction stage that the shelter is at (finishing the roof) will not allow us to have a picnic in the shelter. Weather permitting, however, we will eat at the park. If not, we will return to the City Council chambers for supper, allowing us to move ahead with our agenda. PossmLE DISCUSSION ITEMS: Park and Recreation Needs Assessment and Opinion Survey: The attached summarized results and Villager article (9110/92) address the results of the survey. The issue which provided the impetus for this survey, the development of Bandimere Community Park, was not favored by a majority of the respondents. However, citizens continue to wave a red flag over the need for a trail system and the acquisition of natural parklands. e The Future of Parks and Recreation in Chanhassen: A very open-ended question, but I believe a tone can be established. Is it our desire to stand aside and react when necessary? Do we wish to be aggressive? In what areas? Or is middle ground our future? n ~., PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER / Mayor and City Council Septeml er 17, 1992 Page 2 , e What are the uriorities? (See attachments 3, 4, and 5). The survey results indicate the following priorities: 1) a trail system; 2) acquisition of open or natural land for preservation; 3) park and ballfield improvements at City Center Park; 4) acquisition of parkland for future community use; 5) development of Bandimere Community Park; 6) development of a municipal golf course; 7) installation of ballfield lights at Lake Ann and Lake Susan Parks. Do you concur? Are there other priorities? Trails: When? Where? How ($$)? (See Attachment 6): When? What is the city's goal? How many miles of trail would we like to complete each year? If two or three miles per year would have been completed for the past ten years, the city would have a trail system. Are the next ten going to pass in a similar fashion? Where? The City's Comprehensive Trail Plan shows us. e How ($$)? At an average cost of $20 per lineal foot of 8 ft. bituminous trail, an average mile of trail costs $105,600. Annual trail fee revenues for the city currently total $30,000 to $40,000 per year. Trail fee revenue will buy one out of every three feet of trail the city constructs for the first mile. Or, to word it differently, we can construct one-third of a mile each year before the money solely dedicated for this purpose is expended. What revenues are going to finance the rest? Funding of the Annual Cauital Imurovement Program: Trail issues bring us to our next item. How long can we rob Peter (new development) to pay both Peter and Paul (Paul being existing parks in developed neighborhoods)? The answer: As long as development continues at a steady pace. But the till will run dry some day. Currently, only park fee revenues fmance park acquisition and development in both new and existing city parks. Improvements and refurbishments of existing park facilities, however, should not, in most cases, be paid for with these dollars. The "new" dollars are to be spent on new facilities to meet the expanding needs of new development. Many cities allocate a percentage of their general fund for the replacement and refurbishment of existing parks. Should the City of Chanhassen do the same? Golf Course: This is up fore discussion. e e e e Mayor and City Council September 17, 1992 Page 3 Central Park: Its Effects on City Center Park (See Previous Attachment): When Central Park is completed, the road improvements associated with the project will affect City Center Park (elimination of the existing open skate area, one hockey rink, and a ballfield). You all can appreciate the value placed on City Center Park. If not, simply ask a CAA parent. The attached concept plan for the expansion of City Center Park shows facilities as they would lie on a piece of private property lying to the north of the park. Is the city prepared to purchase this land and redevelop City Center Park? 1993 Park Acquisition and Develooment Caoitallmorovement Program Budget Recommendation: Was approved by the Commission on August 25, 1992. Will be forwarded to the City Council as part of the budget process. Preservation of ODen Soace: Is there an area(s) of the city you would like to preserve into perpetuity? Highwav 5 Corridor: Its affects on Lake Ann Park, i.e. better access, taking of land, and the necessity to mitigate this loss; Trail linkages; Pedestrian crossings (both at grade and below grade). See you all on Tuesday. City park survey tabulated 'If,/I" / . f,t//(t'}l," Respondents not In favor of referendum" ~:(> By Dean Trlppler A survey of Chanhassen residents concluded the possibility of a refer- endum to finance city park improve- ments may not happen soon. In July, the Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission distributed 4,839 surveys to city residents asking them questions about the city's park and recreation needs as well as solic- iting an assessment of how the city is doing in providing opportunities. Oose to 1,080 surveys were re- turned, according to park and recrea- tion coordinator Todd Hoffman, for a 22 percent return rate. The results were then tabulated with the aid of a computer program devc:loped for this application. When asked how satisfied resi- dents were with the city's recreational programs, a little more than SO per- cent of the respondents said they were satisfied. Thirty-nine percent felt indifference, 8 percent felt dissatis- faction and 6 percent did not respond. Hoffman said many of those who .; 1dicated they were indifferent to the city's programming were new to the area and had not yet developed an opinion. The survey also asked residents how they felt about a referendum of . $800,000 to develop Brandimere Community Park, a 32-acre park acquired by the city in 1988 through a referendum. Fifty-nine percent of those responding to the survey said they would be opposed to a referen- dum with 35 percent signalling favor and 6 percent not responding. Trails, though, proved to be a unifying subject for the majority of the survey respondents. Hoffman said 58 percent of those oaking the survey favored the city constructing a recreational trail sys- tem througlJout the city. Twenty-five percen t were opposed, he said. Of the 58 percent in favor of a city trail system, 34 percent said they were willing to vote in favor of trails being constructed along major roads and highways. Seven percent expressed other interests to trail systems and 9 percent did not respond. Hoffman said residents were also asked to list their priorities in poten- tial park and recreation improvements. The highest priority was an expanded trail system followed by acquisition of open or natural land for preserva- tion, park and ballfield improvements at City Center Park, acquisition of park land for future community use, development of Brandimere Commu- nity Park, development of a munici- pal golf course, mstaIlation of ball- field lights at Lake Susan and Lake Ann parks and other improvements, in that order. But, Hoffman said, 48 percent of the respondents indicated disfavor in raising taxes to accomplish the listed improvements. The final question asked how much money per month would resi- dents be willing to pay in property taxes to fund park acquisition and development projects. More. than SO percent said they would pay. at least $1 more per month, 14 and 13 percent said they woul-- pay $2 and $5 per month and 3~ per~nt said they would like to pay nothmg. Hoffman said the park add recrea- tion commission will review 'the find- ings. "The initial reason forpuning (the survey) out was we were talking about a bond referendum," he said. "Before launching any type of investigation or planning for bonding, we needed to gauge public sentiment." Hoffman said the focus was on providing enough athletic fields for the growing community, thus ques- tions about Brandimere Comm\lIlity Park. 10- "What will happen is essentially nothing," he said in regard to that improvement project. Trails, however, seemed to have support from the percentage return- ing surveys, he said. Two trail refer- endums within the past four years failed by narrow margins, he said. 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PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR TARGET. RYAN CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. e Hoffman: Thank you Chairman Schroers, Commissioners. This evening we have with us John Dietrich who is with RLK who is working with Ryan Construction on this project. I'll go over the staff report and if you have any questions of either myself or Mr. Dietrich, we'd be glad to answer those. Ryan Construction Company proposes rezoning 25 acres of property from general business to PUD, Planned Unit Development. This is a conceptual PUD and site plan approval for a Target development on 18 of that 25 acres. The site as you know is located just to the south and west of City Hall, where we presently are. City Hall would be in this vicinity, to the north and to the east, with West 78th Street currently in the alignment going straight through. This concept plan shows the detachment of West 78th and this arrangement coming up to connect with Powers Boulevard, Highway 5 to the south and again Powers Boulevard with the lighted interchange at this location. Schroers: Todd, could you point out that area that was proposed for right across the street here for the possible city park. Where is that in proportion to this? Hoffman: Right across the street and as it has to do with the apartments that were recently reviewed? Schroers: No. Right across the street right here. Is the Target proposal on the south side of West 78th Street from there? Hoffman: Correct. South side. If you all know where the Corn Hut is. Schroers: Yeah. e Hoffman: The Corn Hut is currently located right about in this location. We go from Corn Hut to Target. Again, adjacent zoning to the north is general business district. That will most likely be commercial based. Whether it's a strip mall or individual properties, nobody knows at this point. To the south, Highway 5. Back east, general business again or the one cul-de-sac drive which is located to the east and then directly adjacent to that, the new mall with the supermarket. Then to the west TH 5 and CR 17. Our comprehensive park plan identifies that this site lies within the service area of all the city's developed community parks, being Lake Ann, Lake Susan, City Center and South Lotus Lake. And within the Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 2 neighborhood park service area of Chanhassen Pond. In light of the site~ proximity to these park facilities and it's zoning, the need to acquire parkland as a part of this development does not exist. In reflection back onto the Comprehensive Trail Plan, that addresses the need to accommodate non-vehicular, pedestrian, biking and other transportation movement on three peripheries of the site. To the south or near TH 5, to the north coming down West 78th Street and then to the west or Powers Boulevard. To the south the construction of an 8 foot wide bituminous trail on the north side of TH 5 has occurred in conjunction with the recent upgrading of that state highway. The newly constructed trail extends west currently to Powers Boulevard and then east to Eden Prairie and beyond. The state is currently in the design development phase of the next phase" of Highway 5 traveling from Powers Boulevard, or just west, to County Road 41. That 8 foot trail north of that highway will continue. To the north, the site in question is located in a general business district of the city as such. The applicant will certainly desire and will be required to install sidewalks to service the pedestrian needs of the site. Planning and engineering departments will review the location and design standards for those concrete sidewalks. To the west, the western fringe of this site is comprised of an area which the city will purchase and develop as a gateway to the community from Highway 5 via Powers Boulevard. Future improvements in that area will include the construction of a trail connection linking that Highway 5 trail to the West 78th trail and then farther north to the high density residential area which you reviewed 2 weeks ago. No trails are proposed to be constructed by the applicant, thus no consideration for trail fee credit is necessary and it is the recommendation that the Park'" and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council require the applica~ to pay full park and trail fees in lieu of land dedication or trail construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of building permit application at the per acre rate then in force for commercial/industrial properties. At present these fees are $2,500.00 per acre and $833.00 per acre respectively. Schroers: Okay, I do have a question. On the 25 acre site and the 18 that are proposed for the development of Target, what intent do they have for the remaining acres? Hoffman: The site plan is up here for your referral. John Dietrich: This site plan here is one of three schemes that have been submitted by Ryan Construction. What is being proposed is an outlot of smaller retail pads. The schemes have evolved from, this one identifies 6 outlots, one indicates 5 outlots and one indicates 4 outlots. Our intent at this time was to look at the entire area but we are only asking for site plan approval on the Target site. We are showing potential layouts for this Outlot B as we are now calling it. The purpose for showing those alternative schemes are to look at the roadway connection and also to tie it into the PUD standards of consistent architecture and signage for this entire development. The land use for this outlot area has not been determined yet. It would most likely be some type of restaurant. Some type of retail. Individual commercial type site. e Schroers: Okay. I think that from our perspective as Park and Recreation, what we would like to see along with the development of the commercial part . e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 3 of the city is a balance of green space and I was wondering if Ryan Construction and the developers would be interested in having like a commons type area. Something green. A place where people could maybe sit on a picnic table or a bench or something like that where someone else shops at your store. Is something like that a possibility? John Dietrich: I would say it's definitely a possibility. The property is currently owned by the city so there's negotiations going on as to how much property will be purchased and that's why we presented these three different schemes for Outlot B. Ranging from the 4 to the 6 pad sites because we are interested in trying to work with the city in terms of making a quality commercial development in this area. That is definitely an item that we will take under consideration. Lash: Is it the City or is it the HRA? That has it and has that actually, has that purchase agreement actually taken place, do you know Todd? Hoffman: Purchase agreement for? Lash: For the property. Hoffman: For this property. The HRA will not purchase it directly I do not believe but Ryan Construction will be working through the HRA on potentially some incentives for this property to be developed. Two additional notes. As a part of this plan, Outlot A has been identified. Is identified and you'll notice, you can take a look right at the large aerial behind you. It's that triangular piece of heavily wooded property. The City will be purchasing that to be preserve that as a part of this development and then again a piece of property labeled, I'm not sure if it's outlot. ..but this area to the west along Powers Boulevard will again be that open space type of area for a gateway. Schroers: when you say the City is going to purchase it as part of the development, does that mean that those trees are going to be removed? Hoffman: No. Correct me if I'm wrong John, but the trees. You can sort of take a look at that map. The trees which are, if you draw a line straight over from the building edge, the top edge, cross straight over to the trees to the north. It will go approximately and those are some of the more undesireable or trees aren't undesireable but scrub trees. John Dietrich: A tree survey was done of that entire triangular area and do you have that? ...but there's primarily three groupings in there. An oak area, which is more along the eastern most edge. A basswood and elm area down along the south and more of a box elder area up along the top. And the site plan does entail removing some of the mature trees but a great majority of them would be the box elders up along the northern...oak clusters and the elm and these basswood clusters are proposed to remain down in the corner. Schroers: Okay, will we see a final site plan review or is this going to go straight to Council from here? Hoffman: Planning Commission first and then City Council. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 4 Lash: Can I ask my question again? Who does own the property right now~ Hoffman: Mr. Burdick I believe still owns the property. John Dietrich: I may have misspoken. I apologize. Andrews: Won't we see it one more time after the PUD, if it gets approved, will come back for a final look by us? Lash: Yeah I think I'm kind of curious why this is coming to us before the PUD has even been approved. Wouldn't it have to go to Planning and Council first to get the PUD approved before it would come back to us? Hoffman: This is a conceptual site plan review. As a part of that, the Park Commission needs to address essentially two items. Park development or trail development. Other issues can certainly be discussed and your concerns can be passed on to the Planning Commission or City Council, but we are the, this has been to Planning Commission once? John Dietrich: It has not been to the Planning Commission. Hoffman: It has not been to Planning Commission. So we are the starting point. Then it will go to Planning Commission. It's the standard procedure in a site plan development review process. Lash: But when someone is applying for rezoning? Because if it's PUD, ~ we not able to collect above and beyond the requirements? Hoffman: The requirements. Lash: Right. So if it was PUD, we could require more than if it's not PUD. Hoffman: Correct. But when we're dealing with park and trail fees, it becomes a difficult situation. We can't arbitrarily raise those fees because this is a PUD. Planning Commission will be working on a variety of fronts in the context of the PUD. The narrative which was included in your packet from Target addresses things that they are doing as part of this proposal under the PUD. So in some applications, the Park Commission does address other things more heavily in relation to the PUD in a commercial type development. Typically we might not have the opportunity simply because we are not seeking a neighborhood park or something of that nature. But again if you have concerns over tree preservation, over open space, those type of things, I would pass those type of comments up to the Planning Commission. Schroers: Through our recommendation? I mean can we include that in our motion? Hoffman: You certainly can. Andrews: I have a couple questions. traffic flow access is intended to be is drawn up. That's the way it looks One would be, it looks as though t~ strictly off of 78th, is the way this to me. - . e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 5 John Dietrich: The customer traffic flow is off of 78th. It is proposed that the truck service area come down Monterey. Andrews: I guess I feel like this could put an awful strain on 78th for it carrying customer traffic. If this is a Target typical of most of generating a lot of, of probably a typical half hour to an hour customer visits, and thousands of visits a day, I would imagine. I guess I'd like to see a proposal perhaps to link maybe a second access through Outlot B or another secondary access to the parking. The other question I had was having to do with ponding, or water storage. We're looking at putting asphalt over a large area of land that's, I guess I'm wondering where's the water going to go? Is it going to be ponded on site or where's it going to go? John Dietrich: It will be ponded. Your first question on ponding. This area directly south. This site plan has already been revised. This is our first submission to the city and the Planning Department basically indicated that we were encroaching too much into the Outlot A where the trees were. They said that's not going to pass and the trees will basically remain in this area. What we hav~ done is eliminated the parking up there in this area. That will be south of the parking lot. Southwest of the building and at the...from Highway 5 will be the ponding area at this time. So we will be storing the capacity of the runoff in this ponding area. There is an existing outlet under Highway 5 in this approximate location. So we will be holding the required amount of drainage. The northern part of the site has already been proposed to go to a pond that will be on the other side of Powers Boulevard. And in relation to West 78th Street, this proposal does tie into West 78th Street from basicall)' the eastern property line up to Powers Boulevard to be reconstructed. It would be reconstructed with the four thru lanes, a full interchange access with turning lanes outside of the travel lanes to allow the traffic to turn in and wait for the... By city consultant, Strgar- Roscoe-Fausch have already proposed a design for West 78th Street and we are working with that as our base for when this site will go in. Andrews: Now is there a north/south street directly to the east of the property line there? There is isn't there? Lash: Monterey. John Dietrich: This is Monterey and I believe it's Kerber is approximately at this location. Andrews: That doesn't connect up with TH 5 then does it? John Dietrich: Monterey's not going to connect up with TH 5. So a lot of the traffic off of TH 5 would come off Market or be downtown. Lash: Or CR 17. Andrews: Now Market's going to have left turn and fully developed interchange so you've got a way off of TH 5 without having to go up to 78th to get to the property then. I guess I'm.concerned the way right now it looks as though everybody has to look back to get in that's coming off of Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 6 TH 5 from the east. I'm just thinking it's going to be a lot of traffic ~ trying to enter into 78th from the west side of the property to then come into the Target parking lot. It's sort of going to be a heck of a jam up right there. John Dietrich: There will be some type of development with an access road through the outlots into the Target site. At this time we're looking at three locations. Andrews: I know it's not really our jurisdiction but I guess I'm just concerned that traffic does detract from our park areas and from the city in general if it's not properly handled. Erickson: The other thing I see is traffic coming in off of TH 5, coming up Market Boulevard, hanging a left on 78th Street and driving right in front of City Hall where I think we're still looking at possibly a future park. Schroers: We talked about a bandshell and stuff down there. Erickson: Yeah. I see that as drastically increasing traffic right in front of that future park. Schroers: The traffic point is well taken. If you're trying to make a left hand turn onto West 78th Street at 4:30-5:00 any afternoon is bad already. e Erickson: Yeah, I think they're talking about putting lights and stuff through there. I'm just mentioning in the future that's going to put a of traffic right in front of where we're going to hopefully someday put park. lot a Schroers: And also Chanhassen is only about at half it's target population so I mean if you double the population, I don't know how that West 78th Street's going to handle it. Koubsky: Todd, if we're going to have a trail along Powers, that's going to cross 78th right? I'm not going to reiterate my traffic concerns but I certainly have them for the whole downtown area and this will complicate it but how are we going to cross people on our trail system across 78th Street? Hoffman: At an at grade signal crossing. So there will be a signal light at that location. Koubsky: There will be a stop light there? Hoffman: To the best of my knowledge, yes. Koubsky: And then there will be another stop light up on TH 5? e Hoffman: Yes. Koubsky: Creating a quagmire. - e e e Palk and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 7 Lash: Well I can't, I know this is not my position since I'm not on the City Council and I'm not on the Planning Commission but I'm going to be leally honest tonight and I've never done this before. I think this is going to be just a disaster fOl our downtown if this goes through. It's not at all what I had envisioned for our town and I can't think of a positive aspect of it and I wish that there'd be something we could do to prevent it. Koubsky: I'd support that. I'm not in favor of a Target but when you read in the Villager that we're going to have a stop light at every intersection in downtown Chanhassen, there's one lane each way, I guess ~'m getting off the park band wagon. My concern is if we do have trails, that we can move people safely along them. But we're going to have a congested area. Schloers: We'le going to have like a big downtown Hopkins. Lash: It's going to be a nightmare and this has nothing to do with Target. I'm a legulal Target shopper but in coming to Chanhassen, I don't even have a Ploblem with that. I just think the downtown area is not the site for a Talget to go. I think Highway 5 or a little further west where the traffic would be able to be taken care of in a different way would be much to my liking and not this. And I know it has nothing to do with parks but I wanted that on so it can be passed onto the Planning Commission and to the City Council and to the HRA. Schroers: Any other questions or concerns? Andrews: I guess my only question is to Todd. At this point all we're able to do is either accept full dedication or not accept it. I mean we're not in a position to stop it because that's not our jurisdiction. Lash: We could table this until we see if the PUD is approved or not. Andrews: Well I certainly would like to see this come back in a more developed fashion. I kind of feel like it's pretty vague as to final layout of the project. Where are things going to really be? Lash: We're also the Tree Board. Andrews: Yeah, the Tree Board too. I'd like, to me it's a big project. I certainly feel this is something that has a major impact on the downtown. I would like to see it come back after it's been site planned out and PUD approved to see exactly where the park trail connections are going to be and where the trees are going to be. Where the ponding's going to finally be and go from there. Lash: I'd be ready to make a motion. John Dietrich: You indicated a Tree Board. May I ask what that entails? Hoffman: The City's currently forming a Tree Preservation Board. The park Commission currently serves in that application. Tree Preservation Board will be formed officially and then will continue on in a mission to look at the methods to preserve existing trees. To stop deforestation. To promote Park and Rec Commission Heeting August 11, 1992 - Page 8 reforestation. Those type of aspects throughout the community. I need ~ caution the Park Commission in some degree. I'm not sure what, if we table this or delay it, I don't know what additional information you're looking for and the premise of park and trail dedication, construction, land dedication or fees. If you simply wanted additional information concerning the Target proposal in general. Schroers: Hy feeling is that tabling of this issue would maybe, the most that it could accomplish would be heighten awareness of our concern about this project going in this location of the city. I don't think that it would have a particular benefit to Park and Rec as far as our trail and park dedication fees are concerned and it would hold up the process. I guess I would be more in favor of voting to or making a motion to go along with staff's recommendation on this but to add in our motion our cocnerns and ask that the Planning Commission and City Council take an extra close look at how this is going to effect in the city and make them aware that we have some very strong concerns in regard. Koubsky: I guess I'd agree with that. Lash: Although, what could be changed if the PUD were not granted? Would it be a different proposal? Would that change any of the layout of it as far as the trees or the trail? I know it could possibly even change the fees couldn't it? Not per acre. Well, it wouldn't change the fees but it could change the layout. e Hoffman: It could change the amount of fees. Not the portion. PUD proposals tend to be in the favor of everyone. I don't believe that you're going to see this denied as a PUD and to come in as general development in the general business district. Underneath the PUD, such things as the tree preservation and the outlot density and parking and those types of issues are being addressed. If this is not approved as a PUD, I would simply see that it would not be proposed as anything. Schroers: I think the Council is going to be taking a whole different perspective on this. I'm sure they're going to share some of our concerns but they're also going to be looking at things like the tax base and that sort of thing and are probably not going to want to lose a development of this size. I think it would behoove us to try to work within the program rather than to buck it because I think if we buck it, we lose. We're not going to get anywhere. Lash: We're going to lose anyway. Andrews: Hr. chair, I'm ready to make a motion if we want to try to get this voted through. Schroers: Okay, Janet was first. Do you want to make your motion? Lash: Okay, I move that we table this item until final approval for the rezoning has been made by City Council. e Schroers: Is there a second? There's no second. The motion fails. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 9 e Andrews: I move that we require a full dedication of fees for the parkland and trails. I also recommend that the City hold the highest standards of PUD development from the developer to ensure a high quality downtown business district. Erickson: Could you repeat that? Andrews: I move that we require full dedication of fees for parkland and trails. Also recommend that the City hold the highest standards of PUD development to ensure a high quality downtown business district. Schroers: Do you feel that that is specific enough to cover any of our concerns? Andrews: I think it's about as far as we can go. Schroers: Okay, I'll ask for a second on that motion. Is there a second? Koubsky: I'll second it. e Andrews moved, Koubsky seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council require the applicant to pay full park and trail fees in lieu of land dedication or trail construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of building permit application at the per acre rate then in force for commercial/industrial properties. At present these fees are $2,500.00 per acre and $833.00 per acre respectively and that the applicant is held to the highest standards of a PUD development to ensure a high quality development in the downtown business district. All voted in favor except Lash who opposed and the motion carried with a vote of 5 to 1. Schroers: Do you have a perspective ground breaking date? John Dietrich: It needs to go to Planning Commission and City Council. Schroers: Are we talking this fall or are we talking next year or are we talking 2 years? John Dietrich: We would be optimistically like to begin grading this fall. October. Erickson: Just as a point of interest, are there any other sites that they've considered in the Chanhassen area? John Dietrich: There have been a number of sites considered over the last year in the Chanhassen area. I know that it was considered across the street of 78th Street on the James property at one time. e Schroers: It seems funny that they don't want to have the main entrance and exit off of Highway 5 which is proposed as 4 lanes. Something they could really inhale the traffic and get people in and out without further congesting this downtown area. I mean you would think with the expansion of Highway 5, that that would certainly be better able to handle the influx of traffic than West 78th Street would. West 78th Street is a mess right now. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 10 John Dietrich: It is crowded. It is anticipated that a majority of the. traffic would be coming off of Powers Boulevard with that interchange the at Highway 5 and Powers. We will have to present that into traffic studies to help show... (There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.) Schroers: ...pass on our concerns to the Planning Commission and City Council as well, we'd very much appreciate it. Thank you. Lash: And Todd, you'll do that also? LAND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN REVIEW. 30HNSON. DOLE3SI. TURNER PROPERTY; A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT. LUNDGREN BROS. CONSTRUCTION. Public Present: Name Address Mike Pflaum Thomas & Darlene Turotte Bruce Geske Don Roy Paul Youngquist Marlene Bentz Lundgren Bros. Construction 7325 Hazeltine Blvd. 7205 Hazeltine Blvd. 7105 Hazeltine Blvd. 7300 Galpin Blvd. e Hoffman: Chairman Schroers, commission members. Mr. Mike Pflaum, representative of Lundgren Bros. Construction is in the audience this evening to address this issue as is the rest of the members of the audience as interested parties. This proposal is a rezoning planned unit development and subdivision of 95.19 acres of property into 120 single family lots. It includes the alteration and filling of 2.81 acres of wetland and is known as the Johnson, Dolejsi and Turner property. A single family residential planned unit development, PUD concept. Again the applicant is Lundgren Bros. Construction. The present zoning is A-2 or agricultural estate. To the north we have rural residential district. To the south is A-2 again, agricultural estate. To the east or back towards town, is both rural residential and agricultural estate. And then directly adjacent to the west is Highway 41. In reference to the City's comprehensive plan, the intent of the plan, recreation section for public recreation open space is not being met as a part of this proposal. The provision of 2.3 acre private or association park does not meet the City's requirements providing public parkland as part of a subdivision and development of the parcel or parcels of land. In addition, open space which is comprised of wetlands is not acceptable for park credit under city ordinance as the commissioners are aware. The City Code allows for the capture of 1 acre of developable land for every 75 persons platted land could house, based on 3 persons per single family dwelling unit for the purposes of park. The City ordinance is derived from State Statutue. In this application for land development review and acceptance, that amount~ to 360 persons or 4.8 acres. If we put aside the proposed development p~ for this property and address the site solely on it's proximity to existing e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 11 or proposed neighborhood parks, it reveals the void currently existing in this area in respect to neighborhood park sites. Being historically agriculturally based with intermittent estate residential areas, there's been no need up until this point to acquire and develop neighborhood parks. Requiring of public park space as part of this subdivision may be adviseable. However, if the applicant confirms their intent of developing a private, recreational facility in this neighborhood, it is preferable that the city retain the park fees generated by this development as capital to be used later on in a combination purchase, land dedication venture in a future development in this area. If the applicant chooses not to pursue their private facility, then it is recommended the City require parkland dedication in an amount not to exceed 4.8 acres in a location deemed appropriate and desireable by the Park Commission with park fee requirements being reduced by the appropriate percentage. You have in your packets the proposed site plan. This can confirm where the applicant is proposing the so called private park or association type recreation area. Here's Highway 41 to the west. The main access road or Street A as it's labeled running east and west. This will be the future thru road to other developments which will be coming along from the east. Again, this is the location. Currently on the plan it shows a tennis court, full size, half court basketball area, a piece of play structure, facilities which are commonly found in a neighborhood park although on a larger site. These are facilities which again appeal to the perspective buyer of these homes. In regard to the comprehensive trail plan, the city's plan calls for the future installation of a trail along State Highway 41, which again is the western edge of this property in question. Highway 41 is classified as a Class I Minor Arterial and currently has a 150 foot right-of-way. The diagram enclosed in your packet shows the future layout of that roadway. And it shows there will be 4 lanes. A 4 lane highway with a median leaving approximately 27 feet of clear zone at it's edges. In many instances, 27 feet will not accommodate the utility, drainage, and construction of a trail combined due to such constraints as the presence of stands of trees or specimen trees, excessive slopes, uneven terrain, etc.. It is therefore appropriate to require the dedication of a 20 foot wide easement for potential future trail construction purposes along the entire western border of the subject property abutting State Highway 41. Questions have been raised by the applicant in regard to, has the City undertaken a study looking at which side of Highway 41 the trail would potentially go on. Staff's response to that is that it indeed may go on both sides of State Highway 41. If not, with the presence of the large land holdings of the Minnewashta Regional Park and then the Arboretum property, some of which is on that side, and the Girl Scout, Campfire location, we would assume that higher density residential areas would be developed on the eastern side or the side of the street or highway which this development is occurring. So potentially in that light, the east side makes more sense. As far as terrain, it is difficult on both sides. One side is no better than the other. In fact, they almost mirror each other. When one side of the road drops off on the west, it typically drops off on the other side as well. It is also adviseable to install a concrete sidewalk along Street A which will in the future be the thru street in this development. The City's planning department will address this need. No trails are proposed to be constructed by the applicant, thus no consideration for trail fee credit is necessary. An additional comment from the applicant in regards to, back of the trail. You'll notice, if-you've driven along Highway 41... Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 12 stands of mature pine trees which are there. I can only presume that so~ of those were planted by the Highway Department when that road was put in forbuffers and that type of thing. The stand in question is in this location to the south of their access road. At the time the applicant assumed that those were inside of the property line. The fact that they are not and are currently in the road right-of-way. If you go ahead in the future when they upgrade Highway 41 and these trees are in the right-of- way, they're on the edge of the right-of-way so they would be left but then if you try to put in a trail behind it, it would be squeezing the alignment. That is one reason it is adviseable to take an additional 20 feet of right-of-way for, if you will insurance policy to the city. The trail issue has gotten a real high priority from the community. We don't want to... The area inside those trees is primarily agricultural. To the south is fairly flat. To the north you see some relief in this area. In light of these findings, staff recommends that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council, one, accept full park and trail dedication fees in the absence of land dedication or trail construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of buiding permit application at the per lot fee then in force for residential property. The current fees are $500.00 per lot and $167.00 per lot respectively. The above recommendation being contingent upon the applicant indicating their intent to develop the "private park" as indicated on the general development plan. Two, the applicant supply a 20 foot wide easement for potential future trail construction purposes along the western border of the subject property abutting the right-of-way of State Highway 41. And 3, the inclusion of the private park does not diminish the requirement for public recreation and~ open space as a part of a subdivision, therefore no credit will be ,., considered for the inclusion of this private facility. Mr. Pflaum may have some comments in that regard or either Mr. Pflaum or myself will answer questions from the Commission. Schroers: Okay. I think before we get to that part, maybe the Commission would be interested in entertaining comments from other residents or concerned parties in regards to this development this evening, after which maybe our questions, all of our questions could be better addressed. So if that's acceptable at this point, I would invite anyone that wishes to share some information on this development with us to please come to the podium and state your name and address for the record and share your information with us. Paul Youngquist: I just have a question. My name is Paul Youngquist and I live at 7105 Hazeltine Boulevard which is the 26 acre farm on the north edge of the proposed project. The information refers to a city's comprehensive trail plan and I haven't been at every meeting that there's ever been so I've never seen that. Is that in the room? Do we have one of those around? Hoffman: Currently no. It's a plan which shows all of the proposed trail link systems throughout the city. If yOU would like to address that, I could certainly give you a copy of it. Paul Youngquist: You don't need to do it now. Is it typically go down ~ 41 and all the way to TH 5? ,., e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 13 Hoffman: Correct. Typically the alignments are along, as you can see if we reference the map behind the Commission. East to west Highway 5 would be a link and then the major connectors coming through north to south are part of the comprehensive trail plan. Highway 41, Galpin, Audubon, Powers Boulevard, all on down the line. Typically it incorporates a major roads or collector roads. Paul Youngquist: Okay. North of this site, the east side of the TH 41 gets real hilly. Real high and when you said that the two sides kind of reflect each other, I think that's until you get north of the site. I'm not sure that really means you're going to end up with a trail on the west side though anyway. Is there any concept of where various parks should be? I assume, I mean I know that you've been planning parks around town. Is there thoughts about where parks should be in this whole area between Galpin and TH 41? Is there anything on paper with that kind of stuff or not really yet? ' Hoffman: No. The City of Chanhassen has not developed a long range comprehensive park plan. However, now with this portion of the city is inside the MUSA line, we would be addressing that. Taking a look at the potential future development and specifically keying in on geographical features and areas which would be beneficial to a parks creation. So to answer your question specifically, I could not tell you in reference to your property or this subject property where the park would be planned. Paul Youngquist: Okay, thanks. Schroers: We are aware that there is a need for more parkland in the western part of the city and we are looking for potential places to develop parks in that area and hoping to acquire property along with development as the most viable way for us to obtain property out there. And also I believe in the comprehensive plan we have, are the spurs that go to Lake Minnewashta Regional Park and the Arboretum are included in the comprehensive trail plan so there are proposals to connect the trail to the Arboretum and Lake Minnewashta Park. Don Roy: I'm Don Roy and I live at 7205 Hazeltine Boulevard. The question I've got is, I see my property kind of abuts the north part of this project and I don't know just exactly where the park is going to be and I'm concerned about with the type of park it's going to be. The size and.. .facilities you're going to have for it. So I'd like to know a little more specifics on the park itself. Schroers: I think that Lundgren Bros. would have to address that question for you. Don Roy: Alright. Then I have one other question. Is there a time table on the widening of Highway 41? Hoffman: We would not have that information. It's a State Highway. You would need to give a call down to the State Highway Department. Don Roy: There won't be any coordination with the development? There won't be any highway widening at that point then? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 14 Hoffman: There may be, not highway widening but allowance for decelerat~ acceleration lanes. Don Roy: Yeah, that's a very dangerous highway right now getting on and off. Hoffman: Right. And those types of concerns would be addressed by the City Engineer and Planning Department and City Council. Koubsky: The only thing I've noticed is they are widening .the intersection down on TH 5 and TH 41 to allow for turn lanes. Don Roy: Well when you want to make a left turn off of TH 41 it's, you've got your life in your hands. Koubsky: Yeah, I do that every day. Don Roy: But the main thing I just wanted to be... I'd like a little more detail on it. Schroers: Okay, we'll make sure that that question is asked. Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to address the Commission this evening? Okay then, we'll open it to questions from the Commission. Andrews: I'd like to have the applicant speak here briefly. e Schroers: Would you like to? Yeah, that'd be fine. Mike Pflaum: I'm Mike Pflaum and by way of a little bit of introduction and an apology. I have not been involved in the planning phase of this project. A gentleman by the name of Terry Forbord, with whom I think you are familiar, has been doing from our end that is, from a corporate end, all of the coordination and planning work on this. And as a consequence I am not in an entirely desireable position to answer specific questions about the proposal. Terry had suggested that this meeting with the Park and Recreation Commission be postponed until he could be here. The Planning Department however wished that this meeting occur so that the results of the meeting would be available for inclusion in the Planning Department report. Hence I am here. Now Terry would have been here but he had another meeting equally important which he had to attend and it was heads. So that's where he is. To answer the question to the best of my ability about what would the park be like. It is not, I'm sure definitely planned at this point. Typically the final planning of features is done at the final stage of plan development which is after preliminary approval. I am familiar with similar sorts of parks that we have built elsewhere and I would imagine that the same general facilities and type of use would be carried over here. One such facility is in Plymouth in a project called Churchill Farms and it contains a prefabricated play structure of the sort that you would see a grade school. It is a very sophisticated, efficient in it's design structure. That particular play area also has integrated~ with it, at a different location actually down the street, facilities fo~ older kids and adults. There's in that instance a tennis court and a half court basketball court. So as far as traffic is concerned, the objective e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 15 is to have a private facility used by the owners of properties within the development. It is a walking use. Walking or bicycle riding use. It is not a drive in use. And there would be no provision for extra parking for people that might want to drive to it. Fundamentally that's how these things are set up. They're designed as an amenity to provide close at hand recreational opportunities and in a certain sense provide supplementation to the community's own park plan, park schedule. So far as other specifics of the development I can only offer generalities and kind of muddle my way through. Todd probably knows more about it than I do. But I'd be happy to attempt to answer your questions. Lash: Do you know what the approximately size is? Mike Pflaum: Of this park area? According to the report, it's 2.3 acres. Schroers: And if we were to ask for park dedication, parkland dedication from this development we would be asking for 4.8 acres, is that correct? Hoffman: Correct. The 2.3 acres does contain a holding pond or wetland area so of what the Commission would call park property, it's less than 2.3 but the total which the City or the Commission could require is the 4.8. Erickson: Todd, is this property covered on the map up here? Hoffman: Just the southern tip I believe. You see the large canary grass type wetland. That is the southern fringe of this area. 5chroers: Any questions? Does anybody have any questions? Okay. In light of that then, is anyone prepared to make a motion? Koubsky: I just have one question I guess Larry. As I look at this, and these are tough to read with the contour lines but it seems like there's quite a lot of relief in here and it is pretty hilly. Am I correct? Is there 4.8 acres of flat land in that development? Mike pflaum: I doubt it. Koubsky: It looks like your park or your play area is the only plateau I see. Mike Pflaum: I think that's a fair observation. Koubsky: I'm assuming that your soil correction will just be sufficient to put in the roads and then the building pads. Mike Pflaum: I'm assuming the same thing but I wouldn't be so bold to assure you of that without having seen the preliminary grading plan. We are very sensitive to the value of wetlands, relief and trees and when we lay something out, we try to preserve as much as we can because to us that's value. So I would imagine that the plan... I would imagine that your observation is accurate. The minimum amount would be done. Lash: From the Tree Board perspective here, are we looking at any stands of mature trees that are going to be getting wiped out Todd? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 16 e Hoffman: Not to my knowledge. There certainly would be tree loss as part of the development but in staff discussions, it has not been pointed out to my attention that we'll be losing significant stands of trees. Erickson: As far as the alteration or filling of the 2.8 acres of wetlands, is that a Planning Commission issue? Hoffman: Correct. That will be part of their review in Wetland Alteration Permit. Andrews: Is the applicant bound by any of the Federal Regulations regarding park and facility accesses, park type equipment for handicapped people? Hoffman: For ADA? Yes, to certain points. To certain degrees. Andrews: I think you should make it a point and coordinate with the developer about that so they're in compliance if that's an issue. Schroers: Okay. If there are no questions, I guess I'll attempt the motion. Mike Pflaum: Could I ask one question. This easement for trail purposes along Highway 41. questions. This being a State Highway, is it in the right-of-way? is not in connection. ..on the I guess I have two prohibited to put the trai~ Hoffman: No, it certainly would not be. It would be again a coordination. effort between the State and the City to see that that trail alignment as identified in our comprehensive plan would be built. Again as stated, and as shown in the Commissions packet, once that roadway is upgraded, we have 27 feet of clearance which when allowing for site constraints and changes in elevations, those type of things, tree stands, does not give us the necessary leeway to construct that trail. An additional 20 feet would then allow us only in the areas which are necessary, will allow us to go outside of the road right-of-way to see that that trail is put in in the most environmentally sensitive and prudent manner. Mike Pflaum: Not being familiar with this property, presumably the trail is going to travel some distance along 41, is that correct? Hoffman: Correct. Mike Pflaum: Does this mean that the City would be acqulrlng 20 feet of easements from all the other landowners along Highway 41? Hoffman: Absolutely. As you would, being that this property has just recently been put into the MUSA, Metropolitan Urban Service Area, additional developments will be coming in and we will be obtaining those easements. There certainly will be exceptions but as a rule, we want to take a look at receiving that additional leeway so that that comprehensi~ trail plan can be followed. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 17 Mike Pflaum: Excuse me, I would like to make a request that since it seems to be the general intent to utilize the area close to the highway for trail purposes, that the trail be constructed within the right-of-way wherever it is reasonable and feasible and where it is not constructed on the property of the subdivision, there be a vacation after the trail has been constructed for those areas the trail does not occupy that were set aside as trail easements. So it was only the portion that the trail really needs is set aside as easement. As individual homeowners I'm sure you can see the advantages of not having an easement there. Hoffman: Staff has no objections to that request as long as it's reasonable. We're not going to vacate minor little jogs but as long as some realistic straight lines and that type of thing can be drawn to the easement documents, that can be accomplished. Schroers: Okay. Lash: Mr. Roy and Mr. Youngquist, do you feel like your questions have been answered? Paul Youngquist: Yeah, I do. I was just going to say. I don't know what everyone's thinking about what is happening to the other property along the road but as for our family we'd just as soon, we're just going to keep it as our family for a while. We have young kids and it's a great place to live so we don't plan to sell it and I'm not here because I want to see how neatly mine could be developed next year. I'm here just because this is where we're going to live. Schroers: Thanks. Alright, with that let's attempt a motion. I'll move to accept full park and trail dedication fees in the absence of land dedication for trail construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of building permit application at the per lot fee in force for residential property at the time of the permit application. The current fees are $500.00 and $167.00 per lot respectively. The above recommendation being contingent upon the applicant indicating their intent to develop the private park area as indicated on the general development plan.. Okay. Two. The applicants supply a 20 foot wide easement for potential future trail construction purposes along the western border of the subject property abutting the right-of-way of State Highway 41 and that the City not require that easement to be maintained in an area that is not going to specifically be used for trail. And three, the inclusion of the private park does not diminish the requirements of the public recreation and open space as part of a subdivision. Therefore, no credit will be considered for the inclusion of this private facility. Schroers moved, Andrews seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend that the City Council require full park and trail dedication fees in the absence of land dedication or trail construction. These fees are to be paid at the time of building permit application at the per lot fee in force for residential property at the time of permit application. The current fees are $500.00 and $167.00 per lot, respectively. The above recommendation being contingent upon: Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 18 The applicant indicating their intent to develop the private park ar~ as indicated on the general development plan. 1 . 2. The applicant supply a 20 foot wide easement for potential future trail construction purposes along the western border of the subject property abutting the right-of-way of State Highway 41. 3. The inclusion of the private park does not diminish the requirements for public recreation and open space as part of a subdivision. Therefore, no credit will be considered for the inclusion of this private facility. All voted in favor and the motion carried. CARVER BEACH PARK. VEHICLE PARKING. Hoffman: Upon receiving the Commission's recommendation in this regard, for the designation of four parking spaces at Carver Beach. I consulted with the City Manager before giving this to the City Council. Finding the Commission's action consistent with the Carver Beach Park adopted master plan, the Manager suggested I include the item in the July 27th City Council administrative packet as an informational item. If no comments were received, I would then move ahead with the designation of the four parking spots. No comments or questions were heard from the Council tha~ evening but prior to moving ahead with this project I received a call fr.., a resident of the area. That resident was at the meeting, at the Park and Recreation Commission. This person stated that they did not believe all their questions had been addressed satisfactorily at the Park and Recreation Commission meeting. In talking with the individual I could not resolve their concerns and they voiced a desire to speak to the Mayor or somebody else on the City Council. He eventually chose the Mayor. The Mayor upon receiving this call talked to the individual at length. Mayor Chmiel then took the time to arrange a site inspection with me. After which a meeting between all parties, this person and their spouse, Mayor Chmiel and myself, was scheduled to discuss their concerns. This meeting was held on the morning of July 31st. The result of that meeting it's his recommendation to reconsider your previous action in recommending a total of 4 parking spaces be designated. Reconsider that action of recommending 4 parking space be designated. Instead designating a total of 3 parking spaces for Carver Beach Park. This is somewhat inconsistent with typical action. Typically it goes to the full Council, there for review prior to a recommendation for action coming back to the Commission or approval taking place. However, it is recommended that the Park Commission rescind their previous recommendation of June 23, 1992 recommending the City Council approve the construction and signing of 4 parallel parking spots on the south side of Lotus Trail for Carver Beach Park. One of the four spaces designated for persons with disabilities as specified and shown on the attached map. And have planning and engineering take a careful look to ensure that there will be no damage done to the existing trees in the area. Instead make the following recommendation. The Park and Recreation ~ Commission recommends the construction of signage of three parallel park~ spots on the south side of Lotus Trail at .Carver Beach Park consistent with the park's master plan. One of the three for persons with handicaps and Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 19 ~ that this project be carried out with the assurance that no damage will be done to any existing trees in the area. Any action taken by the Commission, at the request of Mayor Chmiel will then be forwarded to the Consent Agenda for the Chanhassen City Council of August 24th meeting for Council action Or question Or approval. This recommendation is being brought to the Commission only in light of the park's master plan targeted two spots or indicated two spots. In my original recommendation I did not feel that was adequate because of the necessity to designate one as handicap so my recommendation to the Commission that evening was to designate a total of three, one being handicap. After the site visit, the Commission thought the location could accommodate four spots so a recommendation of four was made. However, you did not hear contention from the audience to the level that was reiterated at a later time that evening. Lash: Was that the primary concern was that it was four spots instead of three spots or what were the concerns that they didn't think were adequately addressed? e Hoffman: The specific concern that they brought up was that the issue of public safety record and the number of citations being issues for vehicle parking at this time. That evening I stated that I could not address that without looking into the documentation of both the Carver County Sheriff's Department and our CSO's department. That is what this individual came back and said was not addressed that evening. Essentially I think it's an additional move towards just not wanting any advancement or development in that area. However, in the meeting they did say that they recognized the parking was needed there and probably was going to keep happening but just to minimize it to a degree. Koubsky: So how many tickets Todd? Hoffman: Documented there was 3 tickets from the eso's department. In contacting Carver County, they could not reference unless they do a very detailed and time consuming and costly study, exact locations, they don't have that type of system. But typically Carver County did some drive thrus. Did not issue a bunch of tickets because they were fairly lenient in that area because the residents typically tolerated it. The C50'~ anothel- issue. They typically enforce parking and other vehicle type on moving violations to a higher degree. Schroers: Well, if my recollection is clear, all that we're doing there is broadening the gravel base and we are not designating specific sites. We were just going to make the length sufficient to accommodate four vehicles parallel parking with the closest one being signed. And you know, if we have a total of 3 spots, one is designated handicapped, basically what we have for the majority of the use is going to be two parking spots. Hoffman: Correct. e Lash: And I think our original intent also was to start out asking for four and back down to three and at the time we made the motion we didn't back down to three. We thought if there was any resistence from the audience we could always back down to three but then we didn't. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 20 Schroers: I guess that I'm still not convinced that we should three. I mean 2 spots, that's pretty minimal. I realize that real highly used area. e back down to that's not a Erickson: What did we, you know you were at the meeting with the resident. Did they seem to take great satisfaction in having one less parking spot there or is that their compromise? Why did it seem that 12 more feet of parking space less would make it acceptable? Hoffman: I'm not sure that it did but in any type of conflict resolution, one side needs to make a step in one direction and the other takes a step the other direction and once that recommendation was voiced, they were happy. Schroers: I would guess that I would like staff's input as to whether or not this reduction of one spot would still adequately service the needs of the area. Hoffman: Yes I do. It was my original recommendation to installing three parking locations. Schroers: Okay, with that then I'm going to ask for a motion. Lash: I make a motion that we rescind our June 23rd recommendation for the four parking spots at Carver Beach and instead change it to three parall'" parking spots with one being indicated as handicap and that this project~ carried out with the assurance that no damage will be done to any existing trees in the area. Schroers: Is there a second? Erickson: I'll second that. Lash moved, Erickson seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission rescind their previous recommendation of 3une 23, 1992 recommending the City Council approve the construction and signage of four parallel parking spaces on the south side of Lotus Trail for Carver Beach Park and instead make the following motion: The Park and Recreation Commission recommends the construction and signage of three (3) parallel parking spaces on the south side of Lotus Trail at Carver Beach Park consistent with the park's master plan, one of the three for persons with handicaps, and that this project be carried out with the assurance that no damage will be done to any existing trees in the area. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Schroers: Okay. Then moving on to item 4 I guess we are going to reassemble at conference type seating and discuss the 1993 Park ACquisit~ and Development Capital Improvement Program. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 21 Hoffman: One clarification. On item 2. Schroers made the motion seconded by, Lundgren. Jim Andrews. Thank you. One housekeeping administrative item that I can think of at this time. The budget amendment for irrigation at Lake Ann was approved on the Consent Agenda last night at the City Council meeting. No questions were raised as part of that item. Erickson: Which of us attended that meeting? Andrews: Todd did on my behalf. Hoffman: Yeah. Jim called and had some other arrangement. I didn't think it was going to be a problem. The Mayor did request a site visit with myself and we did take that about a week and a half ago. Some of the concerns that the users of those fields... Lash: Before we move on, I just wanted to check to see also how the survey results are coming. Hoffman: The survey results are probably just over 1,000 back out of 4,800 so response is nearing 25% which is a good response. Preliminary results, I brief them each morning, are that trails, of all items, all other things that people wanted on here, trails are about here or twice that high. The comments in the desire to see trails in this city were expressed strongly as a result of this survey. Bandimere on the other hand will probably come out 40-60 against. 45. 55 against. Something of that nature. Against being a percentage. Many comments about the neighborhood parks should be completed prior to moving ahead. Coming out of neighborhoods at Lake Susan, Curry Farms, Pheasant Hills, those type of areas. You have to look at that in two ways. You certainly just can't stop all planning and acquisition to finish up the neighborhood parks but you see their point in the same light. So complete tabulation will be completed by, it's going into a database and a computer program can tabulate those. Dawn is currently entering that and the results will be brought to the Park Commission and the Chanhassen Villager. Andrews: How did golf course come out? Hoffman: Golf course is probably second to trails. But below, yes. But very high response initially. Again, just from briefing it. Schroers: One other concern, as long as we're on this issue. Lake Ann beach. That beautiful raft that we have in the swimming area is enjoyed by the geese as well as the swimmers. I was there this weekend and it was kind of a sad situation. The lifeguards did not have the means to take care of the refuse left by the geese and I think that staff should check into it and see what can be done about removing the goose refuse from the swimming raft and looking at maybe not just washing it into the lake. All the lifeguard had was a plastic bucket to try and rinse it off. He didn't have a broom or anything kind of a shovel device for picking it up. And just washing it into the lake did not make for a pleasant situation. Yeah, pleasant swimming environment. There you go. So if we can provide the lifeguards with the means to keep that raft clean, I think it would be greatly appreciated. It was a very busy weekend. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 22 Hoffman: This past weekend? Yeah, absolutely. e Schroers: And I got two pamphlets. Two days in a row. I think we should get ourselves a. Lash: You don't have a sticker? Schroers: No. Lash: You didn't get one from your softball team? Schroers: I'm retired. I'm not playing softball. Hoffman: Next item is at your discretion. You can either stay where you're at or we can adjourn down to here and continue on tape and eat food. (The Commission took a short break to change seating positions and due to this, the microphone system did not pick up all of the conversation taking place.) 1993 PARK ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. Schroers: Okay, why don't we just start this kind of officially here. This is the 1993 Park Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program. This item was tabled at both the June 23rd and July 28th, 1992'" Park and Recreational meetings due to time constraints. The 1993 CIP wa~ originally intended to be the single item of discussion for the August 11th meeting but the land development proposals, items 2 and 3 on the agenda required our attention as well. It's imperative that the Commission handle these items in a timely manner to leave sufficient time for the 1993 park acquisition and development CIP be completed. At the request of the commissioners, the 5 year CIP has been interfaced with the CIP document for the years of 1988 thru 1991 to enable commissioners to identify improvements which were funded and completed in each years. As previously mentioned, the development of an annual CIP is one of the most important and detailed requirements of the commission. So we'll proceed to Bandimere Community Park and we have nothing proposed and no current estimates. Is there anything that we wish to include there for 1993? Lash: Any requests Wendy? Pemrick: No. Erickson: What do you guys, you've all lived here a lot longer than I have. What is the awareness of the Bandimere Community Park? I mean that the city has doubled in size in the last 10 years. Of those additional 6,000 people and the 6,000 that were originally here. How many people know that that chunk of land is out there? Hoffman: Everybody...because of the survey. The survey was given to al~ residents, specifically addressed Bandimere Park. The comment of a very'" small group...in light of the survey, we probably will not be going ahead with a grant proposal for matching funds and most likely...do not include development in the next 3 to 4 to 5 years. What does the Commission want Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 23 e to see that property be? How would you like to see it exist? Agricultural fields are certainly fine...put in prairie grass?What would you like to do? Schroers: I don't think we want to see us put in prairie grass because that's expensive and if we know that at some point in the future tear it up, that would be a waste of money. I think we should lease it to a local farmer and get what revenue we can off the property and channel that revenue towards future development of the property. Lash: I like the use of it for the compost site. Erickson: I guess the one thing that, suggestion I have and it may not be a good suggestion. Would be a sign on TH 101, future site of Bandimere Park. Maybe after several years of seeing that sign, you know seeing the paint faded. Someone saying youth activity park. Maybe someday people would say, that damn sign is faded and you guys haven't done anything. We can come back and say... That's just an idea. I don't know what a sign would cost or if that's a bad idea. I mean right now you drive by, if I didn't have a little map I wouldn't know that that was a piece of parkland. Pemrick: .. .survey and it'd be totally opposite of it being a youth community park because...if the golf course was needed... e Hoffman: ... anything can be considered but people's perspective is apparently that it certainly will be a youth athletic complex at some point in the future. To change that expectation into a golf course would take a driving force from the Park Commission and City Council. It would also take, require the acquisition of land to the north... Pemrick: I just happened to mention it because... Erickson: Do you think it would be worth the investment for future awareness of a sign? Maybe not even all that big. Just put it up, future site of Bandimere Park. Because TH 101 is a very busy road. You place it where as you come down the road you see it so that in future years when Bandimere comes up, and says oh, that's that piece of land sitting there. Andrews: Yeah, that's the one I didn't vote for. Lash: But even the people who didn't vote for it who have now paid for it, have no idea where it is. Erickson: . ..like the proposed development sign sitting up here on Kerber where that development's going to go. Hoffman: 4 x 8? Erickson: Whatever. Big enough to read as you're driving by and not go off the road. e Hoffman: . ..$300.00-$400.00. Erickson: Does everyone think that that might be a waste of money? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 24 Hoffman: No, that's probably a good idea. e Pemrick: And keep it simple. The less words... Andrews: Future Home of Bandimere Community Park. Schroers: How about Bandimere, we should have youth in there somewhere. Lash: Future Bandimere Community Park. Hoffman: Future Site of Bandimere Community Park. Erickson: Future Site is more, I mean Bandimere is the larger word to really drive home. Hoffman: Okay, super. I think it's a good idea. The other thing which administratively we've got to look at is the signs which you see at State Parks or along County Parks...parkland. We have encroachment problems which are increasing so we're going to go ahead and have surveys done and locating the corner posts...putting signs up along the... Koubsky: One thing as an observation as I look through here, there's only two parks, Pheasant Hills and South Lotus Park that are slated for any type of playground improvement in the next two years. Just an observation as we go through here...and a lot of them are for little kids. Little kids ar~ growing up. Curry Farms I don't think was that far off on some of these~. Lash: I think that's usually phase 2 isn't it? Todd, if we do it in phase 1 and phase 2, isn't phase 2 usually. Or I mean phase 1 a little more scaled down than phase 2 is. Hoffman: We designate which phase is for what age. 3 to 6 and 6 to 12. The individual play components... Pemrick: Yeah, we need swings at Bandimere. Hoffman: And under the new guidelines...swings need to be off the play structure.. . Lash: Dave said earlier and I think this is a good point. When you think about it, the little kids stuff, I just don't think gets as much use because you know if your kids are that little, you don't want to take them to the playground as much. You just keep them at home and you maybe have a little swingset at home that fills their need but once they get to be about 5 or 6, that's just too small time. They need more sophisticated equipment. Erickson: Todd, if I could just back up one step to that sign. Something just came to me. I don't know if this is stupid to put on that sign too but maybe, how many acres is Bandimere? Hoffman: 32. e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 25 e Erickson: 32 acres. Just to get someone to drive by and... I should have a sign committee... Maybe acreage on the bottom. Hoffman: White sign. One color letter. Green on white. Erickson: I don't think it has to be fancy. Whatever's cheapest. Schroers: Alright, let's move on here. Bandimere Heights Park. Wood identification sign for $250.00 and the current estimate is $200.00. (There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.) . Schroers: Are we leaving the sand volleyball court, $200.00 in for this year? Lash: Because it was in last year and Wendy says it's not there. Schroers: Well that's what I'm saying. Wendy says it's not there so what I'm asking is, do we want to plug it in for '93? Hoffman: If it's in a past budget and has not been installed, the $200.00... e Schroers: Okay, let's go to Bluff Creek. Bluff Creek we have nothing, nothing. I don't see anything. The only thing that I would recommend that we might want to do at some point in time in the future is border sign that area so people can identify exactly where that is. I'll bet you there's very few people sitting at this table that can drive right out there and say this is Bluff Creek. Lash: I walked it. And anything ever happen with that, I think Planning was going to. Andrews: They've got a bluff ordinance. That went through so that's approved. Hoffman: It was an idea that financially was part of the problem because they wanted to develop.. .the real desire there was to clog up the rest of the zone and expedite that...with a Bluff Creek trail and preservation zone. The City's certainly planning for that... Schroers: Okay, how much money do we need to identify, to put boundary signs on Bluff Creek Park? Hoffman: I would have to calculate the lineal foot distance and we need to place a sign every 1,000 feet... Lash: Could we put that in for '94? Schroers: How about '93? 4It Lash: Well we're already over. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 26 Schroers: '94. We've got nothing going there anyway. boundary signs. e So '94 we'll put Erickson: Let's put a trap shooting range out there. Clay pigeons. Schroers: Carver Beach Park, Lotus Trail. In '92 we had $2,200.00 for play area refurbishment. For '93 we've got $400.00 for two grills. $1,300.00 for two picnic tables. $1,500.00 for swimming buoys and signage at the mini beach. For '94 we have $1,500.00 for swimming buoys and signage at the main beach. And way down in '96 we've got $2,000.00 for park benches. Lash: Now is this the little swimming beach that we had the no parking thing with? Schroers: That is both. Carver Beach Park is both. Erickson: Where will the grills go? On the big side? Schroers: Yeah, I would assume that they would. Lash: They were supposed to be getting picnic tables and benches and stuff a long time ago weren't they? Hoffman: The picnic table they have down there. Benches were proposed for along the trail but the trail's not conducive in it's present state unle'-' it's upgraded. .. Lash: So have they gotten the things that they were somewhat promised a few years ago when we were doing things there? Did they get all of that? That's what they were complaining about here. Hoffman: The questions I heard that night were garbage cans and garbage can is in and park sign is in. They wanted a play structure at that time at the mini beach but the size of the site did not accommodate it, so that was not, that was taken out of the plans. Schroers: They were complaining about the location of the dock but the dock is located exactly where they asked us to put it because that's supposedly was where the best fishing was. Hoffman: The only things that I would, are the benches and the play structures that were discussed. Lash: And is the play structure, the one that's on here for '92, is that at the same beach? Hoffman: The main beach. Schroers: But the benches aren't until '96 so I mean we're not...on the benches. Pemrick: How about the Satellites? have one. Wasn't that comment that they didn'~ Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 27 e Hoffman: They have a Satellite at the main beach but the mini beach did not accommodate one because of City ordinance. Proximity to the water. Lash: So are the grills at the main beach or the mini beach? Hoffman: Mini beach. Andrews: I have a question. Are we in any kind of a liability situation if we sign and buoy one beach but not the other at the same time? ...unimproved beach with somebody be able to come back and say, well you did one the right way and one the wrong way...signage and buoys at both beaches at the same time? Hoffman: Right now we're...so we can probably accommodate for it in '93. Lash: I think we talked about this one time before and we were going to put up a sign or something, swim at your own risk. Schroers: I don't think according to State regulations that if you have a municipal swimming area, I think a sign swim at your own risk does not cover you. Andrews: both. .. .I'm just saying, if we approve a sign at one we should do e Hoffman: Let me back up. The mini beach did not have any buoys. The main does have. Andrews: Okay, so we're bringing the mini beach up to speed then? Hoffman: Correct. Andrews: Okay. Then I'm comfortable. Lash: So then the main buoys are not in good shape? Hoffman: They're not in good shape so they're targeted later on for replacement. Schroers: Okay, Carver Beach Playground. Hoffman: In my opinion we can't support any skating rink improvements this year. It's way over budget and we're going to take what we can. Lash: Push that out to '94? And did all these things in '92 get done then? Hoffman: Sign is in. Swing...all those items that are currently specified. I didn't have to go ahead and order this equipment early because we had it left over from last year. ~ Schroers: What about the bleacher. I don't think that's in is it? Lash: That's next year. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 28 Hoffman: That's not in. the spring animals... So all these items, the sign is in, the SWing,~ Koubsky: One thing I noticed in...general maintenance. Should we be alloting money for maintenance? Andrews: I think we should move the skating out to '94. Schroers: Okay, should we move on to Chanhassen Estates Mini Park. Lash: Park sign went in. All we have is picnic tables for '93. EricKson: Does this park already have two picnic tables...? I mean it's a 1 acre park. Hoffman: The picnic tables are, if they're in here I don't recall that they're there. See with picnic tables being mobile, they could have been in there in '90 and then moved... We could move them back there and then we could line this item out. Picnic tables are transient and they move around. We typically budget in a lump sum at the end for picnic tables and benches, those type of amenities. In order so they don't forget where we specifically want them... Lash: So we could move? Hoffman: You could line item that out and just instruct that... e Lash: And is two going to be enough then forever? So just take it out completely? Hoffman: Yeah, we'll need to watch the development across the street. Lash: But we don't want to move it to '94 to '95? Hoffman: At your discretion. Lash: Just take it out? Schroers: Okay, so then we are having nothing in Chanhassen Estates in regards to '93. Lash: And I'm assuming if you had calls from any of the residents on these, you're going to tell us. Schroers: Okay next is Chanhassen Hills. 8iggee. Double tennis court, with basketball hoops, $30,000.00. Trees $1,000.00. Total $31,000.00. Lash: Did they get the ballfield this year? Hoffman: Ballfield will go in. Staff comments as a prelude to discussion. Just overall in many discussions with other cities, tennis courts in let~ say many cities, are not put in neighborhood parks. They are located at'" central park locations...because of a typical destination type activity. We're an exception to that. We have tennis courts... Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 29 e Lash: Which two did you say? Meadow Green. Hoffman: Meadow Green and North Lotus currently have them. Our neighborhood parks. South Lotus Lake will have tennis courts. That's a community park. And Lake Susan community park. Lash: And Lake Ann. Well, you know if we start backing off on all these tennis courts that were on our original plans for these neighborhoods, there could be just a huge uprising. Hoffman: It needs to be addressed. The Commission needs to address... question where exactly in reference to the master plan we want to put the ballfield. Tennis court was moved once. Originally it was located right at the central location. But if you walk the trail, this is the nice open lawn if you will area park. If you plopped in a tennis court, you'd be putting fencing and asphalt in the middle of a very pleasant location. The option to move it here however did not, haven't really addressed parking or access. If you want to drive to this location, you'd have to drive and park on either Lake Susan and you can traverse this or potentially cut through yards to get to the tennis court or park in the parking lot in this direction to the tennis court... Lash: What do you hear from the residents there? e Erickson: This is a brand new neighborhood isn't it? Lash: Are they pushing for more things and what are they asking for? Hoffman: That is a newly developed park. We get the most calls for Lake Susan Hills West. They want whatever was specified. These people get these plans.. .so when they get a master plan, they think this is what they're getting. And if they don't...we have to call the neighborhood meetings to change this plan. I'm not certain that once we get farther on to Power Hill, that that location is ideal for tennis courts either... Putting tennis courts up there may not be adviseable... So we have two parks in the same vicinity and somewhat close to Lake Susan where we have a community park with two tennis courts and if you look at them now are serving the need adequately. We're certainly not seeing an overuse of... So I'm tentative to establish... Lash: .. .overkill to put tennis courts allover everywhere. Schroers: I think so too. Especially in a site like that where you have to cram it into wherever you can and then it doesn't provide decent access. A court like that that's hard to get to will probably not get enough use to warrant the expense of putting it in. e Lash: What if we just switched it to just the basketball and can we put in a half basketball court? And then maybe this would be an area that would be a site someday for, when we get in to try the warming houses and skating ponds and then they have something for the winter. And put more money towards playground equipment and have a b?sketball hoop and volleyball and baseball field. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 30 e Andrews: A comment about the skating rink which I think go along with tennis courts. r think you need close parking because.. .people are going to drive. If you can't park within 20 feet or 20 yards of a skating rink, it gets pretty difficult in the winter to get. Schroers: Good point. Andrews: And the same for tennis. People drive to one of the neighborhoods and then park right next to...get out and play so I think... say this isn't the place. Hoffman: Community parks, our skating rinks are community park activities is one position. We put down a sheet of ice in a neighborhood park is an expensive operation. They don't see much use for.. .warming house, lights, maintain it... Lash: So if we were to switch this from double tennis court to a basketball court, what would that do? Hoffman: Single basketball will cost you $500.00 for the pole and backboard and basketball... Lash: So switch this to $1,000.00? Hoffman: Okay, I'll come back with a re-estimate on that. e Lash: And then is there a volleyball court in there yet? Hoffman: Yes. Erickson: How about the play structures there for the kids? That's already up? Koubsky: Phase 1 is. Lash: So could we move phase 2 up? Koubsky: They don't have a swing set. Lash: And the trees that we have for next year, now when you're going to be going over to Gorra's property and digging trees. Are those ones that you can earmark for some of these areas? Hoffman: Yes. We can put some of those here. The $1,000.00 in '92 for trees is for that... Erickson: This park needs some trees bad doesn't it? Hoffman: Well the trees that were taken out of Bandimere during that regrading operation were hauled into this park... e Lash: So what if we were to put in the basketball hoop next year and some trees, and then maybe move up the play area expansion to '94-'95. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 31 e Hoffman: Okay. Lash: which, '94 or '95? Andrews: '94. Schroers: Okay. For '94 we're putting a $1,000.00 for trees? Lash: No. For '94 we're putting $10,000.00 for play area expansion. Schroers: You're going to leave the trees in '93? Andrews: Is that enough to do the job on trees Todd?..more efficient in one shot. Hoffman: Yeah, $2,500.00 would be much more... Andrews: Well we're cutting. ..Put $2,500.00 for the court and $2,500.00 for the trees, we're still 25 ahead. That will give us some leeway on perhaps some of these other parks here. Schroers: You're just calling the $4,000.00 to play area expansion and not designating it half court basketball? e Lash: trees. No, it's $2,500.00 in '93 for a basketball court and $1,000.00 for And then in '94 it's $10,000.00. Andrews: Are we going to hit the trees a little bit harder? Lash: Well if they take some of those from the Gorra property and put those in and then this $1,000.00 is for the berm that they're putting up along 212. Andrews: Maybe we can set up something... Hoffman: So consensus is at $3,500.00 or $5,OOO.00? Erickson: $3,500.00. Lash: Total right? Hoffman: Yeah. Okay, and then I call a neighborhood meeting to discuss the changing of the master plan. Erickson: Okay. ..tennis courts get in the park system in Chanhassen so far. I guess from my own personal experience...the ones in Lake Ann, I never see anybody using them. Not that they're not used but I hardly ever see them used. A couple times I've been in North Lotus, those are used a lot. e Lash: The ones up at City Center are being used. Koubsky: Lake Susan somebody's on them pretty routinely. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 32 e Pemrick: ...a lot. We've never had to wait for a court but there's always someone coming or leaving... Schroers: There's some activity at Lake Ann but it's not like they're stacked up waiting there either. Andrews: Probably too, if you don't have the sticker... Schroers: Okay, let's go on to Chan Pond Park. For '93 we've got $250.00 for a wooden sign and that's up. Hoffman: In '92 we had a sign. off of Saratoga and Sierra Trail. For '93 we're proposing a second sign for At that connection. Lash: But did the picnic tables get? Hoffman: They're here. Lash: Oh, they're here? Hoffman: No, those are on the specification page which just means... Lash: But they're going to be coming out? Hoffman: Correct. Again, we have not, I have not purchased, or purchas~ very little out of the '92 budget because we had all this work left over from last year that we're catching up on so we're shooting the money to other things... Lash: I just am checking to see if that's something that got cut. Hoffman: No... Erickson: I have one comment on this Chanhassen Pond Park. The observatory platform in that southeastern corner. Boy is that in bad shape. Is that going to be, that looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Hoffman: I would recommend given it's past use, that we take it down and not replace it... Erickson: I don't think it's a bad spot to have a little, because when you walk that distance around that park, actually it is kind of a nice place just to sit and rest, for an old guy like me. It's really kind of a nice place to sit but I guess I would be in favor of budgeting something, having the Boy Scouts come out and redo it. Maybe do a little higher...it's not that bad. Maybe even some, and I guess I don't remember off the top of my head the exact view of the park. Maybe even some selective pruning on some of the trees in the area. ..just to better see the pond. It's not that bad of a view but it's a lot of just kind of overgrown probably since that was built. Andrews: How big of a deck is that? e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 33 e Erickson: It's enough room for like 4 people to go up and sit down side by side but in it's current condition you wouldn't want to do that if they were all my size. It had to be built quite a few years ago because I don't even think it's treated lumber. Lash: So what do you think, like $1,000.00? Andrews: That should be enough to take it down and build it once.. .you figure about $10.00 a square for a deck. Erickson: Handicap accessibility. I was just thinking, exactly where it sits on that trail. Can you get down there with a chair? It seems like it's adequate. That's before the stairs or those timbers start jumping. Hoffman: and. . . .. .to about $1,500.00 or $1,750.00 for additional bituminous Erickson: Sheer down Pond Park. point. No I don't think that. ..and again just a recommendation on... that stand of oaks... I've got one more thing on Chanhassen Replacing the stairs. You did some erosion control at one you didn't. Correction of erosion. Lash: That was in '91. ~ Hoffman: And in addition, all erosion... Erickson: This is something that I doubt that you've even noticed or seen or anything but that giant oak tree on Kerber Boulevard, as you're going north on Kerber before you get to where the proposed parking was at one time. Hoffman: It's dying. Erickson: Yeah. Any ideas on? Hoffman: .. .expansion of Kerber. Erickson: That's a shame. It's a beautiful tree. It just seems to be that one branch but that's on the side where all the fill came. Boy those trees take a beating from that. One thing that Chanhassen's Tree Board should look at more too is with this complex that's going to go, 2 weeks ago we talked about it. They're talking about coming up to the drip line. Boy, if you get anywhere near that drip line underneath that you destroy those oaks. I was in Minnewashta Regional Park, or whatever the other day looking at some things they did when they tried to save these trees. They came underneath that drip line and the branches are dying out on those trees like crazy. ~ Hoffman: The applicant for the Oaks talked about that at last night's Council meeting. They said yes, new information says they'll be staking off.. . Schroers: Is there a specified distance say on the drip line? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 34 e Hoffman: No. They figure 20 feet past the dripline. Erickson: That makes more sense because everyone of those trees you see there, they're dying off. Part of them. Anyway. It seemed like there wa something else in there. Oh, those steps that go down. What kind of condition are those in? Was part of that erosion, well I've been there since '91. It just seems like there's foot paths where people come off the steps and probably take their bikes and stuff. It seems to be getting... (There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.) Schroers: . ..some of us old guys are getting tired of basketball. Maybe the numbers... Lash: I think I know one team though... Schroers: I think there's probably going to be. Lash: They're getting too old. Schroers: A few of them belly up because, well our team is used to doing a lot of winning and the way I understand it, they're not doing so good this year.. .I've talked to 3 or 4 of the guys and they said, this ain't as much fun as it used to be and that's what I was thinking for the last 2 years~ That I wasn't having that much fun anymore. ~ Lash: Get in the over 35 league. Average age on our team is probably 45. Does anyone know if we did the trail line to Chan Hills? Andrews: Todd says it's in there. Lash: How about the trail line to Chan Hills from Lake Susan, did that get done yet? Hoffman: No. Lash: But it's going to be done? Hoffman: I would presume that when we start it, it depends to how much problems we run into the construction phase and how much time we have. Lash: I'd just like us to keep in mind if it turns out that we over by a big bunch, that maybe the ball lights could get moved back to '94. Hoffman: Okay. Lash: We'll leave them now and see how it works. Hoffman: Alright. Schroers: We're leaving the lights for '93 so actually we're leaving La~ Susan then the way it is. Lash: When's the track ride supposed to go in? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 35 e Hoffman: The track ride came in... Erickson: What's a track ride? It's a piece of play equipment? Lash: Yes. It's a thing you get on on a higher end, you hold onto it and it flies. Schroers: They used to call it a cable slide. How much money is that? Pemrick: $1,400.00. Lash: Is $1,400.00 going to be enough in '94? What's this aeration system installation? Erickson: That's what we talked to the DNR about. Hoffman: Yeah, that was put in... Lash: So is it all in and everything? Hoffman: The wiring is in... Erickson: Does that put bubbles in the pond or what? e Schroers: It's kind of like a 50/50 deal. We did the wiring and they were going to provide the aeration unit. Hoffman: Yeah, it was a grant thing. We put in $4,000.00 in wlrlng and they were going to supply a $25,000.00 aeration unit but it's contingent on State funding. ..from here to the wall or is it typical... Lash: I think we need to keep the bleacher in. Schroers: Here's $1,800.00. Lash: Where? Schroers: From the archery. Hoffman: . ..because that's coming out of general fund. Not out of your park funds. Lash: I think for Meadow Green we need to keep the bleachers. Andrew: Push the rink to .94. Lash: Or beyond. Koubsky: One year at a time here. We're going to put lighting? e Schroers: We're going to leave it at $6.000.00 but bump it up to .94. Lash: Center. Now why did you pick Meadow Green for that? Isn't it? That's so close to City Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 36 Schroers: It's a long ways up the hill walking in the winter. e Lash: To this one? Hoffman: I think it's because of the dense population around there. Schroers: Fr~m Meadow Green to, yeah. The dense population. I mean people from. Erickson: There's a lot of multi-family. Schroers: Chaparral. Lash: I just think that seems a little close. Hoffman: Anything else? Briefly to address Wendy's comments. We'll get this pretty well cleaned up and we get one more crack at it at the 28th meeting and I'll go through it and if there's any recollections I have over specific things... Lash: Is there a basketball court up here? Hoffman: Meadow Green? Lash: Yes. e Hoffman: Yes. Koubsky: What phase are you at with your piay equipment? Hoffman: We've got a phase 1, a phase 2 and now we've corrected it... We have $400.00 in the tree planting... Koubsky: How many trees is that? Hoffman: A couple trees and also try to get some of those... Erickson: Think that's a real prime location to get some trees? Hoffman: The only problem is they have to go to the perimeter of the ballfield in that area. Erickson: Yeah. I guess I'm just thinking along that outlot. Lash: How about the western edge? That'd be kind of nice. Koubsky: I agree. A little more greenery there. Schroers: Okay, Minnewashta. Lash: We're doing a play area expansion. e Hoffman: Yes. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 37 Lash: So we're going to push the skating rink? Hoffman: That gets quite a bit of use... Lash: Have they asked for anything else? Hoffman: Not as of late... Erickson: Do they have swings? Hoffman: Swings are there, yes... Andrews: North Lotus. What we need there is a dog dropping removal unit. A lawn rake kind of thing. Lash: That's a Zamboni kind of thing. Andrews: I guess the one little...would be to put some sort of a bench down there... Lash: So we're supposed to move that to '94? Andrews: Yeah move the rinks and lights off. There's really not a good spot there the way it's set up. There's not enough flat area to have a rink on. Hoffman: These skating rinks with electrical lights and service, the intention at that point was to go ahead and do... Lash: I would almost think any of these that we did would need a bench. And would it be something that you can just, do you guys in the winter go around and pick up wooden ones at the beaches? Schroers: The skating rink with electrical then is included, that $8,000.00 is included in that portable house? The rental on the house? Hoffman: ...specify if we want to take it out of here. This includes, the 410 budget includes rental for... Lash: So there'd be nothing for '93? Andrews: No... Lash: And there isn't anything that you really need to have in '93? Andrews: That's a nice park as it is. Erickson: How about the open area just south of the tennis courts. Hoffman: Soccer fields. Erickson: Is that what that is, soccer fields? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 38 Hoffman: People have asked that it be made into a soccer field because ~ was just open space back there and we could plant trees. We could let it go wild. Erickson: I think it's kind of neat being open. I was up there messing around with my Nerf Hockey and there's like 6 guys out there doing this Kung Fu stuff. Lash: What would be involved in turning it into a soccer field? Would it still be just an open area? ...Jim says all the time the parking's terrible. You sit there and wait. Andrews: That is more than a neighborhood park. That is almost like a small community park. It's so heavily used with soccer fields and ballfields. I was going to say the one comment I have is the soil, or the turf there is pretty borderline. It needs to be reseeded or aerated or whatever.. .especially the soccer games attract a lot of cars. Lash: Could we plunk some money in there for '93 for trees? Andrews: Well it's not a barren landscape... I'd say maybe 1 or 2 bigger trees would really help. I'd say we need a couple big ones in there would be nice. Pemrick: $1,000.00. e Andrews: It wouldn't take more than a couple. Koubsky: Because there's not a lot of room up there actually. Lash: And do you.want more later down the line? Like some smaller ones or something? Andrews: I don't know if there's... Maybe along the road... Lash: Is there a place to put more parking in there? Is that the problem? Andrews: No. You'd have to put it along Fox Hollow... Hoffman: It's the second largest parking lot in neighborhood parks. Second to Meadow Green. Meadow Green is 64 x 187. North Lotus is 58 x... Schroers: Okay, Pheasant Hill. Hoffman: In the growing season. We'll get in there...project and put in the trail and put in the grass seed this fall. It will be dormant seeded... Schroers: Okay, Power Hill. That'd be a good place for a... Koubsky: I don't think that will be ready for anything next year will i~ We've got final grading, seeding entrance road and parking area That includes the entrance road and parking in this year's Hoffman: in there. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 39 bituminous projects. Get it in there prior to the housing, then we have final grading and seeding for '93... Where's the park? What's going on with that park? Koubsky: That whole Flamingo Drive is so populated. Hoffman: That's the one, if you take a look at the master plan. It's kind of a quirky park because it's stuck with the drainage ponds which are a problem because they're routinely are eyesores and people don't like them and they think of this as a park and they want it maintained as a park... holding pond. So we have a playfield to the north. 12 cars parking for the sliding hill, the play area. But then on top this tennis court. You can see that that has been graded by the developer for tennis courts but again, it backs up immediately in the back yard of a single family residential to the west. Single family to the north. Back yards and then this is open space...so you figure you've got 12 cars to park and then you have to walk down. This is a very narrow strip. This is a person's groomed yard right here. This is a person's back yard right here. Lash: You know and I remember when we did this too. And now you look at it and you go, why did we do this. Schroers: Why did we do that Jan? Lash: I don't know. We always somehow get kind of smuckered into this stuff by the developer I think. Andrews: How wide is that little...? Hoffman: It's about 100 feet. Andrews: That's enough for a walk in park. Walking path. It's not ideal but it's not objectionable... Hoffman: That's the thing we're talking about. If you go up there and take a look, you can drive... The view from here is unbelieveable. Erickson: Put an observation deck up there. Hoffman: Other cities...do many more covered shelters in their neighborhood parks for neighborhood picnics. We don't do that here. I think we should start to do that. We haven't done it at Lake Ann yet. Lash: How about at Greenwood Shores? Andrews: You take the no parking sign down, you can put up your shelter. Hoffman: This would be a spot for...you could put a piece of concrete and a shelter and the neighborhood could have their picnics there and have one of the nicest spots in the development rather than put tennis up there and have 4 people go up there and use it. Lash: For probably the same amount of money. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 40 Schroers: 1 would almost like to see a policy of tennis courts not goin~ in in neighborhood parks. I mean that makes a lot of sense to me. Lash: I mean they're expensive to maintain. Put in originally and to maintain. Hoffman: And then Sunset Ridge is slated for one when Lake Drive Extension comes through. There you have a parking lot and a tennis court off of a major road. Once that road gets through there, Sunset Ridge useage is going to change dramatically. Lash: 1 really feel like the neighborhood park, the kids go there. Mom's go there with their kids. People will congregate there to sit around and visit while their kids are playing. 1 don't really know how many... Schroers: How many people down at Greenwood Shores said they wish there was a tennis court there? Lash: Nobody. Andrews: All 1 can say is for me that was a major thing that 1 liked about living up at Fox Hollow was that I could walk down and play tennis. Pemrick: I agree with Jim. There's a lot of people who want tennis courts and want to live by them. Our neighborhood would give anything to have i. tennis court. .. Andrews: We play I'd say with neighbors, I play at least twice a week... playing doubles. Pemrick: Yeah, and it's an adult form of recreation. Lash: If you've got an evening...But the adults can jump in their car and drive to a tennis court. Pemrick: No. When they work all day they want to go and stay in their neighborhood and play with the kids. Andrews: See 1 would probably not play if I was to drive...you chit chat with your buddies when you walk down and... Erickson: Actually 1 kind of agree with Larry in some ways. I think if we make sure there are adequate facilities in the big community parks rather than a tennis court at every neighborhood park. Schroers: You know choosing a proper location is one thing. Like at North Lotus Lake area there's a lot of, there seems to be a lot of interest in tennis there. And maybe down where Wendy is there's enough interest to justify a tennis court. But in other small community parks, well like Power Hill, we've talked in the past about diversifying a little bit and not offering the same amenities in all the parks and especially we ~ shouldn't be offering the most expensive ones in all the parks. Like to'" have tennis courts in every neighborhood park would be kind of overkill in that facility. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 41 e Lash: You know what we need to look at too is the size of the park and the location. So say we had one earmarked originally for Curry Farms and then we had one earmarked for Pheasant Hills. Well they're only a half a mile apart. That's a little overkill. Maybe what we need to do is, if North Lotus is a good sized neighborhood park, when Bandimere goes in, there'd be one down in that area. There's one at Lake Susan. There's one at Sunset Ridge. Just kind of get them in general areas. Almost like we do the radius of where we need to have parkland. Maybe have a certain radius for tennis courts set up so that we don't. Schroers: Yeah, that and we could make a little list of criteria for tennis courts. Number one, it's got to be readily accessible from parking. Koubsky: The soil has to be good. Schroers: Soil has to be good, yeah. Lash: And it's got to be a decent sized park so we're not trying to put in all these things. e Schroers: And it shouldn't be within a quarter of a mile or something of another existing tennis court. But when you come up with that situation, that both the tennis court is 3/4 of a mile away, here we have the space. We have the parking available. This would be a really good spot for a tennis court. Then go on it but not try to cram a tennis court in someplace where. Lash: Maybe in our plans what we should do is do that with the picnic shelters and the tennis court. One or the other. Andrews: Good idea. At Power Hill there we could have a possibility. Erickson: You say that's such a beautiful view up there, I think it would be almost silly to put a tennis court there and not something where people could go and really appreciate the spot. Hoffman: I think $10,000.00 or $15,000.00, something. We've often put just general development, general improvements. We leave that in for '93. Refine that at a later date and I think this neighborhood is real interested in this park area...call a neighborhood meeting to amend the master plan... Probably the play structure in '93 is what these folks are going to want. If we have the road in there. The sidewalk and the street. Everybody up and down Flamingo and the adjacent areas, they can walk up there. Go into the parking lot and...play structure. Lash: Do you think that the trees could get moved up from '94 to '93 and then the play structure from '95 to '94? Koubsky: I don't think the trees are a big issue there. e Lash: Well you were saying you thought $10,000.00 would be plenty so in that $10,000.00 do you think we could incorporate some trees too? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 42 e Hoffman: Well, if we want to do a phase 1 play structure say in '93, next year. We have the parking and we want to get that play structure in... Schroers: What you're saying is plug in $15,000.00 in 1993 for general improvements? Hoffman: Yep and then hold a neighborhood meeting and...which is my belief that that play area. Andrews: I think that's a good idea. Koubsky: That will be all graded and seeded and ready? For a play area. Hoffman: .. .where we can do that... Lash: How about in the $10,000.00 there, does that include the ballfield? Hoffman: To the north? Lash: Yeah. Hoffman: It's called an open playfield. Lash: There's no backstop or anything? Hoffman: There is a backstop on the plans. If people would expect that~ then we should clarify that at the neighborhood meeting. Lash: So would that be in the $15,000.00? Hoffman: No. That would be additional... Lash: So put trees and backstop in in '94? Hoffman: Okay. Lash: How much would you have to put in for a backstop? Hoffman: $500.00... Lash: So make that $3,500.00? Erickson: Power Hill Park sitting on top of Williams Pipeline. Lash: Well I've also penciled in picnic shelter but I've got it like '96 and beyond. Schroers: What was your last one Janet that you just put in now? Lash: I have $15,000.00 for '93 for phase 1. And then for play area ph...e 2 left at '95. And then trees and backstop in '94. That would be .., $3,500.00. And then a picnic shelter, thqt's '96 and beyond instead of. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 43 Schroers: Well, we're leaving the trees at $2,500.00 and then adding $1,000.00 for a backstop, is that what you did in '94? Lash: Yes. Do they get volleyball or anything like that? Hoffman: Not on the plan. Lash: Would it go in outside a picnic shelter? Something like that fit in there? Hoffman: No. It's very sloped, graded flat area. Schroers: We've got too many parks. Prairie Knoll. We have site preparation in 1994 for $4,000.00. Erickson: Where is this park? Koubsky: Just south of Lake Susan. Hoffman: The thought here is that these people can use the community park but they can't legally because they're not far enough south yet on the development to get their trail easement in so they have to cross the private property to get to that...Lake Susan. Lash: Are we supposed to put money in for a play area... Hoffman: Again, they're close to Lake Susan but not, it's a jaunt. A trip to get there.. .some unique spots... Lash: But do we need to put some money down for it? It's listed but there's no money slated anywhere. Hoffman: .. .the last time we talked to him, the 5 year plan was to be on in 1996. Schroers: And that probably still would be now if...until '94. Lash: That $10,000.00 or whatever it is... Koubsky: Rice Marsh Lake Park. Lash: This is getting done right? Hoffman: Yes. Lash: How about the parking down there? Is there anything that can be done about that? That used to be a nightmare. Erickson: South Lotus Lake Park could use some trees again. Is that that little bump right by Workman's house? Pemrick: They've got a nice play structure in there... Lash: And you've got $14,000.00 slated for more in '96? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 44 Hoffman: Again, we needed that for our tree conversations. which are being pulled out of the tree farm... We have tre~ Lash: Unsurmountable curbing. Does that have to go in next year? Hoffman: That's in '94. Koubsky: That dock needs to have pads put on it because I've scratched the heck out of trying to boat there this spring. It's pure metal on the edges... Probably buy something at the supply store for $100.00... Schroers: What has ever been resolved with that pump house and stuff down there and was that area now accommodate a neighborhood skating rink? Hoffman: No. That could be a tennis court. (There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.) Koubsky: . ..play area, phase 1 is pretty small. There's a ton of people out there. People have just migrated down there. Hoffman: The biggest phase 1 ever put in in our city. Koubsky: Get out of here. It's not bigger than... Lash: So Dave, would you want to switch the tennis court and play area ~ expansion around? Koubsky: Drive is it. Yeah. I don't think the tennis courts make any sense until Lake in. The same with hockey. If you can't get back there to flood Hoffman: '94 and beyond with a tennis court. Lash: What hockey rink? Schroers: So do you want to move the tennis courts to '94? Koubsky: Yeah. Lash: How about '95? Koubsky: I would think '95. Lash: Switch the tennis court and the play area expansion. But how about the basketball? Can that go in without the tennis court? Koubsky: So in '93 we're putting $14,000.00 for play expansion. That'd be unprecedented in the city's history. Putting phase 1 and phase 2 two years apart. Lash: That's why people get on the Park and Rec Commission. field have a backstop and stuff? Does the e . Park and Rec Commission Meeting August ii, 1992 - Page 45 e Koubsky: Yeah, the baseball field. Andrews: I think. ..pretty good shape... Lash: Other improvements, before we totally wrap it up. I think maybe in light of our last two meetings, because of the MMCD or whoever it was, that we should make some kind of effort at budgeting some money for bat houses and swallow houses or whatever. Schroers: I like that too. As a matter of fact, the way they went up... and other communities and bad mouthed us, I think...a year from now on all programs. r have my sources. Lash: What did they say? Schroers: They said that we voted to ban the adulticides because we didn't know what else to do. ..city of Maple Grove. Lash: I think we should write a letter to the City of Maple Grove and tell them our reasons. Koubsky: Well just ask for the Minutes. Lash: Ask for their Minutes? ~ Koubsky: Yes. Lash: Or supply them our Minutes? Andrews: Were you aware that they flew up... Schroers: We told them that we wanted them to have 5 minutes and the other party to have 5 minutes and then equal time for other unassociated people with concerns and they really took advantage of us. Tried to give us this big sales pitch and then acted terribly offended when we didn't buy it. Andrews: . ..he gave the technical half answer and then afterwards he gave the other half and... It was obvious what I was trying to ask and he tried to only tell me the technical part of the question... Koubsky: .. .to say that I don't agree with your decision. I don't agree with the way that they presented it. I thought they blew it. I thought they put together a terrible case. Erickson: That's the only reason I voted the way I did. ~ Lash: That was part of my reason too. But a big part of my reason was the fact that at the meeting before, having sat there for 2 or 3 hours and listened to all that and heard promises from them that they were going to do this and that and wouldn't do this and that and they turned around and just did it the same as always. How can you trust them to do what they're supposed to be doing? They act like they don't have any accountability to anyone and that annoyed me and we're paying for that service. Well we still have to pay for it and that... . Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 11, 1992 - Page 46 e Schroers: They don't, no one else knows anything else about it. They've got their own little program there with their own little source of money and they've got a good thing going. That's what they're doing. They're sitting here fighting for all the help and support they can get. And that's one thing but I don't believe one word about that that stuff is totally and completely unharmful to the environment. It's not. It kills something in the environment and that's going to have a more far reaching effect. I mean it's not a good similarity but 20 years ago smoking cigarettes was the thing to do. Now everybody's knows better. 20 years from now it's very possible that they'll be saying the same thing about... Koubsky: I think as far as chemicals..., in reading those health criteria they gave at least me, the stuff breaks down pretty rapidly and the stuff as far as an insecticide, I have to think is a pretty safe thing to use. It's not like DOT that has, is very persistent and remains in the environment a long time which they'd love to use because they didn't have to reapply. The reason they have to reapply this stuff every time it rains is because the stuff naturally breaks down. Lash: Well and that was my other thing. I don't even know if I'm that concerned with the health risks because they haven't been proven one way or the other to me clearly but also I don't feel like the effectiveness has really been proven to us either. And I'm hearing that the last time they sprayed was last August and everybody was thrilled with how few mosquitoes there were in July. Now that just makes we wonder how effective it is ~ if it's worth the money. .. Koubsky: My thought is it worthwhile to spend any... The reason he came back to spray is because of encephalitis mosquito. ..so they sprayed. Do we want to adjourn? Lash: Well we have to put money in '93 for our improvements don't we? Hoffman: Correct. Other improvements... Lash: So put in, I don't know if you want to put it in under Boy Scout projects or how. If it can be a winter project when the house guys don't have as much to do and they can make some of those things. Make the bat houses and swallow houses. Schroers: What if we call it something like Park Environment Enhancement. Lash: Mosquito Control. Andrews: Center? Can we coordinate any of the bird house projects with the Senior Maybe they'd be interested in building bird houses. Lash: No. They like to go to the Casino. Well figure out what they... Erickson moved, Lash seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favoll. and the motion carried. The meeting was adjourned at 11=21 p.m.. .. Submitted by Todd Hoffman Park and Rec Coordinator Prepared by Nann Opheim . CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 25, 1992 Chairman Schroers called the meeting to order at 7:32 p.m.. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Dave Koubsky, Larry Schroers, Randy Erickson, Jim Andrews, and Fred Berg MEMBERS ABSENT: Wendy Pemrick STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Coordinator; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor; and Dawn Lemme, Program Specialist APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Schroers: Are there any corrections, additions, or deletions to the Minutes? Berg: Yes. The very last section, the administrative section of presentations. Everything that I'm given credit for saying, I didn't say. I don't know who did. Erickson: Was it good? Andrews: Did it seem to babble along? That might have been me. e Berg: It didn't seem particularly illustrative.. .so I don't want to take credit for it. Lash: Where are you? Berg: On the very last three pages. Hoffman: Page 60, 61. Berg: 59 actually. Schroers: Okay, Fred we'll scratch you. Does anyone want to. Hoffman: Claim those comments. Lash: Well I recall on page 60, I recall saying something about. ..trees. . don't know how anyone would mistake our voices. Hoffman: I said the bottom one there. Lash: Correct? Hoffman: No. We also have a letter in here from Mike Gorra. Or no, somebody said that, that was in the administrative packet. Schroers: It looks to me Todd like you filled in a couple of times here. e Koubsky: I think that was me. Page 60. Berg vs. Koubsky. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 2 Hoffman: Okay. ~ Koubsky: Oh, that might be me all the way through. It's all about the trees. Hoffman: Corrections so noted. Lash moved, Erickson seconded to approve the Minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated 3uly 28, 1992 as amended on pages 59-6 changing Berg's statements to Koubsky. All voted in favor of the Minutes as amended and the motion carried. METES AND BOUNDS SUBDIVISION. EUGENE KLEIN. 8412 GREAT PLAINS BOULEVARD. Hoffman: Thank you Chairman Schroers. Members of the Commission. This i~ a straight forward lot split by the means of a metes and bounds subdivision. Mr. Eugene Klein is present this evening and may have a few questions. Essentially what it is is a subdivision of 1.5 acre parcel inti two lots. The dimensions shown there. The square footage. It's located at 8412 Great Plains Blvd. just south of Lake Susan Park, as you can see 0 your location map. It's currently zoned residential single family. The zoning around the property is all residential single family, with exceptio to the north which is Lake Susan, RD. Recreational Development lake. The comprehensive plan identifies that this parcel does lie within a park deficient area of the city. However, due to the size of the subdivision, this situation cannot be corrected as a part of this proposal. In ~ reference to the comprehensive trail plan, the plan does identify a fut~ trail along TH 101 south. The exact alignment of which is unclear at this time due to the new proposed highway 101. We question which road will the trail be on? The new TH 101, the old 101 or both. Most likely the new 10 for sure but then taking a look at the old 101 and what portion of that road will necessitate a trail as well. And that's stated there again. Best predictions are present that the trail connecting the Bandimere community park with the downtown will follow the newly constructed TH 101. That alignment will pass over 212 which will be somewhat lower than the overpass, to try to make the noise factor as minimal as possible with that trunk highway 212. Staff considered recommending the taking of a permanen' 20 foot easement on the south property line of the subject lots for future potential trail purposes. But upon looking into that further, it's apparent that the likelihood of such an easement being utilized is somewha1 minimal. As such, it is recommended that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council accept full park and trail fees for the newly created lot as a part of the subdivision request. These fees arl to be collected at the time of the building permit issuance for the amount then in force for park and trail fees. Currently those fees are $500.00 and $167.00 respectively. Schroers: Okay, thank you. At this time I'd be willing to entertain any questions regarding this matter from Mr. Klein. Eugene Klein: Is this standard procedure...? Schroers: Yes, I believe it is. e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 3 e Hoffman: Correct. During any subdivision. Any subdivision of any property the City then has the authority to come in and assess park and trail fees as part of that subdivision. So we either require the dedication of parkland at a per unit basis. However, in this case it's just one lot being created so we assessed the park and trail fees against the building permit on that new lot. Eugene Klein asked a question that was not heard. Hoffman: Correct. So the person taking out the building permit on the nel lot will be the responsible party for paying it. Eugene Klein: . ..why are you assessing it now... Hoffman: Trail fees are collected and deposited into a fund which is then used to finance all trail development throughout the city. Schroers: Alright, any other questions or comments by Commissioners? Koubsky: A,e you satisfied with the answers? Eugene Klein: Yeah. I was... Schroers: Can I ask you a question. Is this the parcel where Walter Kersick also lives on? ~ Eugene Klein: Right... Schroers: Okay. Thanks very much. Alright then, if there isn't any further discussion on this item, is someone ready to make a recommendation If not, I will. Okay, I'll recommend that the Park and Rec Commission recommend to the City Council the acceptance of full park and trail fees for the newly created lot as a part of the subdivision. And that the fees are to be collected at the time of the building permit issuance in the the in force for park and trail fees and the current fees are $500.00 and $167.00 respectively. Is there a second? Koubsky: Second. Schroers moved, Koubsky seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council accept full park and trail fees for the newly created lot as a part of the subdivision request. These fees are to be collected at the time of the building permit issuance for the amount then in force for park and trail fees. Currently those fees are $500.00 and $167.00 respectively. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Andrews: Mr. Klein. 8e sure to take note that the fees that we mentioned here are whatever the current rates are. So the property doesn't get built, or a permit not taken out now. Those fees could change. Eugene Klein: Okay. Is that standard... ~ Andrews: Yes. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 4 Eugene Klein: It's not an add on charge? e Hoffman: It would be listed as a separate line item on your building permit. So you'll see it there, park fee, trail fee. It will be listed right on the building permit application. Schroers: But it's the same citywide. It doesn't change from one parcel to the next. Hoffman: Correct unless, what is assessed back. If you take property and that takes the place of half the fees, then the fees may vary some. Some households or building permits get charged $250.00 because that particular subdivision dedicated a park as part of that subdivision. So they were given credit for that land. SITE PLAN REVIEW. CHANHASSEN RETAIL OFFICE CENTER. 840 WEST 78TH STREET. COPELAND-MITHUN INCORPORATED. Hoffman: Chairman Schroers and members of the Commission. This would be the second phase of the Chanhassen Retail Office Center or what is commonl; referred to as the Chanhassen Medical Center. With the soon to be moving of Chanhassen Lawn & Sports, the new supermarket mall in town, that allows this lot to come up for development. It's a site plan review for Phase 2 of Chanhassen Office Retail Center. For a 10,600 square foot building. The lot size is 25,123 square feet. I believe that 2 in front of there is just Lot 2. So the size is significant. It's significance is somewhat~ minimal. It's approximately half an acre so if we take that times our ,., current industrial/commercial park and trail fees of $2,500.00 per acre an( $833.00, you come up with somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,500.00 generated off of this development. Again, the location is 480 West 78th Street. The applicant is Copeland-Mithun, Inc.. Mr. Bob Copeland did cal: me today questioning whether I thought his presence was necessary this evening. I informed Mr. Copeland that it was not. Present zoning is central business district. It's deleted there. It's been omitted. Adjacent zoning to the north is high density residential or the apartments in that vicinity and the remaining adjacent zoning is CBD or Central Business District. Comprehensive park and trail plans, the subject parcel lies within the City's central business district and as a commercial development, is subject to commercial/industrial park and trail fees. Non-vehicular access to the site is provided via downtown sidewalks. This is not subject to the vacant parkland that's' proposed. The recommendation It is recommended that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council accept full park and trail dedication fees as part of the development with the current fees again being $2,500.00 per acre and $833.00 per acre respectively. Again, these fees will be collected at the time of building permit issuance. Schroers: Okay, thank you Todd. I think that's all pretty straight forward. Is there any discussion on this? If not, is someone ready to make a motion? Andrews: I move that the Park and Rec Commission recommend the City Council accept full park and trail dedication fees as a part of this development. Those fees to be paid at the time that permits are drawn. e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 5 . The current fees are $2,500.00 per acre and $833.00 respectively. Schroers: Is there a second? Lash: Second. Andrews moved, Lash seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend that the City Council accept full park and trail dedication fees as part of the Chanhassen Retail Office Center development with the curren' fees being $2,500.00 per acre and $833.00 per acre respectively and that these fees be collected at the time of building permit issuance. All vote( in favor and the motion carried. APPROVAL OF THE 1992 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PURCHASES. e Hoffman: Chairman Schroers and members of the Commission. You have befor, you the distributed packets as noted in your packet mailed out or dropped off last week. It includes a memorandum from myself, bid tabulation, product evaluation for the phase 1 play equipment structure at Herman Field. Then the quotation forms sent back from the various lenders. Then you go into a larger, 11 x 17 packet and it has the diagrams of the three vendors who chose to present proposals for the Herman Field play structure With us this evening we have Mr. Bill Jananosky of Value Recreation. He i one of the vendors located here in Chanhassen. Mr. Jananosky would like t, introduce himself and his business prior to reviewing this proposal. Bill, I don't think you're going to review your proposal in detail. I'm not sure if that would be fair to the other vendors but Mr. Jananosky coul, certainly introduce himself and his product and if you have questions specific of Bill, I would think you could ask those. Bill Jananosky made a statement from the audience. Hoffman: Well sure we can do that or if you want to take a few minutes. Bill Jananosky: Yeah, I just got this information about 10 minutes ago. I'd like to... Hoffman: It will probably take us 10 or 15 minutes. Okay, we'll walk through this step by step. Sheet 1 included the proposal for the provisiol of a swing and two spring animals. As you can see from the bid tabulation sheet, all vendors, there's five vendors which the proposal was sent out to. All chose to provide a quotation on those items. The low bid there i~ Value Recreation for a total of $1,685.00. That being the swing bid at $935.00 and the two spring animals at $750.00. The other bids range from a second low of $1,838.00 to a high of $1,913.43. Again, as the recommendation that Value Recreation's bid of $1,685.00 be accepted for thl provision of these three items per the specifications listed. Koubsky: Is it three items or two items? e Hoffman: A swing and two spring animals. Three items total. The spring animals is $750.00. That's for any two spring animals. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 6 Lash: So if we're looking, the bids that we have are supposed to be ~ corresponding with the drawings? Hoffman: The bid tabulation is separated by three sheets. Sheet 1 deals with a swingset and two spring animals. Sheet 2 has to do with picnic tables. And then sheet 3 is the play structure which we will review in detail. The play structure bids correspond with the 11 x 17 sheets that you have. Lash: Okay, and the swings and the spring animals don't? Hoffman: Correct. These are separate items. These two items happen to b( for Carver Beach playground. Lash: The swing and the spring animals? Koubsky: Todd, are they all bidding on the same thing? Do one have metal swings and one might have redwood? Hoffman: No, the specifications were specific in that they all bid on identical specifications. In essence of the swing. The spring animals varied from vendor to vendor. I've provided them the option of providing different prices on different sets of animals so if they had a deluxe line and a standard line, they could give us those prices on both those different lines. Schroers: Would you define the product evaluation phase Todd? e Hoffman: Product evaluation is for the Sheet 3, the play structure only. That runs through the play structure bids. The proposals which were received. Again, Sheet 1 and Sheet 2 are fairly straight forward. Sheet' gets somewhat more ~omplex and we'll walk through that on the overhead proposal by proposal. I would recommend that you act on each separate sheet. Schroers: Okay. Are you wanting us to continue on this right now? Hoffman: Sure. I would go ahead and make a motion to award each sheet so again it is recommended on Sheet 1 for the-swing and the two spring animalE at Value Recreation's bid of $1,685.00 be accepted. If you have additional questions, I have catalogs here if you'd like to see what you're buying. Lash: That would be nice. I usually kind of need visual aids. Koubsky: Value Recreation's located out of Pennsylvannia? Hoffman: Playworld Systems is located out, the Playworld Systems the company which Value Recreation and Bill Jananosky represents. Koubsky: Did Landscape Structures not submit for the first bid tabulation there Todd? Hoffman: Landscape Structures is represented by Earl F. Anderson and e Associates. If you want me to run through there. Landscape Structures out e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 7 of Delano is represented by Earl F. Anderson. FSI or Flanigan Sales Inc. represents Iron Mountain Forge Equipment. Bob Klein and Associates represents Miracle Play Equipment. Minnesota Playground represents, it escapes me at the moment. And again Value Recreation is Playworld Systems Andrews: Can I try a motion here? Schroers: Yes. Andrews: For Sheet 1, I move that we recommend to City Council that we accept the bid of Value Recreation for $1,685.00. Schroers: Okay, for the provision of the three items. Andrews: The three items on sheet one. Schroers: Okay, is there a second? Erickson: I'll second that. Andrews moved, Erickson seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend the City Council accept the bid of Value Recreation in the amoun' of $1,685.00 for Sheet 1, a swing and two spring animals. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Schroers: Can I then ask for a recommendation on Sheet 2? Andrews: I move that we recommend to City Council that we accept the bid of Bob Klein and Associates for $1,199.00 as the low bidder for that project. Schroers: Okay, there's a correction, $1,949.00. You said 99. Andrews: I must be reading something different than you are then. Lash: Are you on the front page? Andrews: I'm on the bid tabulation page. Schroers: On the front page it's $1,949.00. Hoffman: There's a typo there. Go to the. Erickson: On the bid tabulation sheet it's $1,199.00. Schroers: Is that the correct one? 99? Hoffman: Correct. Andrews: My motion stands then. Schroers: Yeah. And then is there a second? Erickson: I'll second. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 8 Andrews moved, Erickson seconded that the Park and Recreation commissio.' recommend the City Council accept the bid of Bob Klein and Associates i the amount of $1,199.00 for Sheet 2, picnic tables. All voted in favor an< the motion carried. Schroers: Okay, Sheet 2 has been recommended. Hoffman: You said on Sheet 1, who moved? Andrews: I did. Schroers: Jim did. Hoffman: Seconded on Sheet 1? Erickson. Schroers: And the same on 2. Hoffman: Yep. Andrews: For Sheet 3, I guess I'd like to make the comment that I personally have a preference that we, when we have an opportunity to do business with a local vendor, that we do that. When it's not to the disadvantage of our city. I feel that in spite of the fact that FSI has a slightly lower bid, that I feel there's a benefit to giving our business t< a Chanhassen business for what I consider to be a small amount of money. Hoffman: I'll run through on Sheet 3. When I send out the specificati. for a piece of play structure, we actually give them the budget amount they all knew went into this proposal. They all knew going into this proposal that we. Andrews: Shooting for a figure that they already know about. Hoffman: Correct. And what they're trying to do is maximize the play value and maximize the product for the money. Andrews: Todd, do you have any comments about the equality of what's bein~ provided here then since we're really working with a target number? Hoffman: Correct yes, and I'll go ahead and run through those comments. Again, Sheet 3 is the phase 1 of Herman Field Park. The product evaluation's conducted resulted in the attached chart do not conclusively identify a superior proposal. However, each of those has it's strong points for the Commission to consider. The most notable being Earl F. Anderson's attention to the requirements in compliance with the mandates of the American with Disabilities Act. ADA. Flanigan Sales, numbers of play components. They came across with the most play value. And then again Value Recreation's location here in town leading in their offer to providing maintenance on a complimentary basis. Each proposal has it's owr merits. The advantages and shortcomings of each is open to a large variation and interpretation. I will be providing the Commission with an overview of each proposal upon which the Commission may decide a method~ they would like to use to award this purchase. Your familiarity with p~ equipment will prove beneficial in this ~egard. The product evaluation e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 9 for phase 1 is essentially a disect each proposal which come in. Which is proposed so you break it apart. Look at how many decks. How many play components. How many posts. That type of thing. How they conform to YOUI specifications which were provided, etc.. Again, the three companies making proposals were Earl F. Anderson or EFA, Flanigan Sales, and then Value Recreation. The price includes tax and delivery on all... Again, the manufacturers of the different play structures are Landscape Structuref out of Delano. Iron Mountain Forge from Farmington. That's Missouri, not Minnesota. Playworld Systems from New Berlin, pennsylvannia. One of the questions asked of the suppliers was to provide a statement of compliance with the Consumer Product Safety Commission and ADA, the American with Disabilities Act. EFA provided both of those. FSI did not. Nor did Valu( Recreation. Delivery within 30 days, EFA, FSI cannot do that and Value Recreation did not specify delivery within 30 days. Bill Jananosky: 30 to 45. Hoffman: Okay, 30 to 45. Koubsky: Todd, if it's, your no indicates that they didn't submit that with their bid? Hoffman: Correct. Koubsky: Do we have any idea if they do have a statement of compliance? Hoffman: Again, in this tabulation this afternoon I contacted both FSI an, Value Recreation. Bill will have to speak for his proposal this evening. FSI indicated that no, that was an oversight but the catalog which I have here this evening will say that their equipment conforms to CPSC, the new guid61ine. Lash: So FSI does comply? Hoffman: That's what the representative I talked to today said, yes. The~ would comply but again, on the plan you'll see from Earl F. Anderson, it's stated right on there that in their opinion it does comply so we can only take it for face value. If we flip the sheet and start looking at other components of the play structure, accessibility is the big issue today. Accessibility to the main structure is provided through all proposals. However, in the second proposal from FSI, it did not provide it in phase 1. It's provided in phase 2. Essentially what the accessibility to the main structure means is you have a hard surface coming into a transfer deck. Then with a rubber matting or a rubberselient material being glued down to that concrete to allow that accessibility to be gained. Accessibility to the swing sets, Earl F. Anderson provides that. The other two proposals de not. Taking a look at the number of decks. Square decks versus triangle. Earl F. Anderson provides you with 6 decks. FSI. 3 square decks and then i triangular decks. Value Recreation has essentially 3 square decks. One oi those 3 being considered as the combination of some components on the structure. 15 inch transfer deck and then 3 steps and 2 triangular decks. Number of poles is essentially identical. 14, 15 and 16. Not in that order. Number of advance play components which includes such things as slides, bridges, those types of components. Climbing bars. Each one, Earl Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 10 F. Anderson pro~lides 5. Flanigan Sales 6 and Value Recreation 4. ~f y~ look at the final page, the number of simple play components which 1S a fire pole or some similar type of apparatus. Earl F. Anderson has one. FSI has 3. Value Recreation proposes 1. Number of swings are identical iT all proposals with the exception that, in Earl F. Anderson and Value Recreation's proposals, it's 1 bucket, 1 belt and a tire. Where in FSI it's 2 tot and a tire. Those differences resulted from struggling with CPSC guidelines and then trying to provide swings underneath this type of bidding climate and bidding dollar restrictions. CPSC says you can only have 2 swings and 1 bay and they should be identical types. 50 you should have, if you have 2 swings in 1 bay, you should either have 2 tot seats or 2 belt seats. As you can see, F5I conformed with that providing 2 tots an( 1 tire. The other two elected not to. To provide the diversity. Again, it's purely a standard. It's not law. Provision of border is essentially identical throughout all the proposals. However, I could not confirm the lineal footage with F5I. However, they did state that they would provide all redwood border for Phase 1. The other two are 268 lineal feet and 266 lineal feet of redwood border which totals a dimension of 5 1/2 inches by 11 inches. And then tiles for accessibility. Earl F. Anderson provides 12. Again, FSI none and Mr. Jananosky... the structure to the main structure, they need to put down those tiles. 50 in this proposal there would be 4 tiles here... Schroers: Okay Todd, thank you for that information. Hoffman: Larry, I think at some point we're going to have to go throug. these step by step. If you want to do that at this point through your large packets or if you discuss it among the commission for a few moments and then we can do that. Schroers: Well we may as well get all the information before we discuss it. Hoffman: If you want to follow along... These are in alphabetical order. The first sheet... The second sheet in that packet shows the phasing. Essentially we've split the structure in two. At this point, everything t< the north would be the main structure. The swings, the tire swing. ..would be in phase 1... Lash: Is the bid for tonight just phase 1 then? Hoffman: Correct. Again the price tag on this is $12,500.00. The manufacturers and the manufacturer's representatives' opinion that both of these play structures...did comply with the CPSC guidelines... Again the accessibility to the main structure comes via the hard surface with resellient tiles in this location and then the swingset with the hard surface.. .in this location. These two being tied together by an asphalt path which would then lead back to the parking lot and the curb cut... Number of decks again as shown are 6 decks on the main structure. Four in this location and then 2 on the other end... The advanced play components are comprised of 5. Phase 1, the horizontal ladder in this location. Two. .. .adult slide... Three, the suspension bridge running across... ~ Lash: The horizontal ladder, that's the monkey bars right? e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 11 Hoffman: Correct. A number of simple play components would be one, which would be the addition of that... The swings shown in phase 1 again are a tire swing and then a bucket and a belt seat. This one here would be accessible. . . Schroers: What does the loop pole do? Erickson: Is that a firemen's pole? Hoffman: Not a firemen's pole but it would be a firemen's pole with loops tacked on at either end for climbing. Essentially it access... Erickson: swing is. And when you're talking about the swings, I know what a belt What's a full bucket? Hoffman: It's a tot seat. Erickson: Tot seat, alright. Hoffman: Other questions on this proposal prior to moving forward. whole plan is effected on the front here. Again showing the phasing. 1 and phase 2. Phase 1 would face north. The Phasl Koubsky: Todd on those slides, how high are up are those? I guess a couple questions. Is this a wood structure or a metal structure? Hoffman: Metal structure. The poles would of galvanized metal. Then metal decks coated with poly vinyl. Koubsky: How high up, how many inches? Where the tunnel slide and the wave slide and the pole. Hoffman: The deck there is shown at 66 inches. So 4 feet, 8 inches. Schroers: Does the bid include everything on phase 1, the resellient surfacing and the redwood border and the entire? Hoffman: Phase 1 bid would include. Schroers: Everything that's on here. Hoffman: Correct. Minus the pea gravel. Pea gravel would be supplied by the city and installation supplied by the city... Schroers: But the resellient surface, the tough turf and all that is definitely included in this bid? Hoffman: Correct. The rubber tiles would be. The question is on the concrete or bituminous which is underneath. That would be installed by th( City as a part of our installation requirements to install. Schroers: And that's not included in this bid price? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 12 Hoffman: Correct, no it is not. Installation is not included here. T~ would be a city installed project. Lash: And we're only giving input on phase 1 right? Hoffman: Correct. Schroers: Okay, you can probably move on to the next piece then. Hoffman: The second proposal is Flanigan Sales representing Iron Mountain Forge. If you're familiar with the piece of play structure which is the newly installed last fall handicapped structure at the north playground... same manufacturer. Again, you can follow the lines. The dotted lines here.. .to the north and then phase 2 will be on the south. Flanigan Sales bid is at $12,295.00. Again, they provided no written statement of compliance with CPSC or ADA... Delivery within 4 to 6 weeks. Accessibility to the structure, they did show it in their phase 1, phase 2 plan, which under their opinion in regard to the ADA, does comply. However, it was reflected that... What they show in this location is the phasing line comes right down through this location but they had included the resellient tiles in phase 2 and not in phase 1. Again, no accessibility through hard surface is shown. Number of decks is 3 square decks in phase 1. The 32 and 64 inch deck. Four triangular decks, 16 to 24. They enter onto the play structure and then you cross the bridge... trinagular decks and eventually they're over...number of play components being 6. Those 6 being, at the start of the structure. ..and then bridg~ going over.. .coming out to a horizontal ladder in this location. And a~ those.. . Schroers: Again, are the poles metal in this? Hoffman: Correct. All poles were specified as galvanized steel with stee decks and poly vinyl covering on there. Schroers: So for all three of the bids that we're going to be looking at, that's the same? Hoffman: Correct. There is an alternate. We put it in your packet for redwood poles to show... instead of the steel poles. We have an awful lot of redwood equipment already in the city. We do experience some minimal problems with it with splintering and it's my opinion that instead of putting all our eggs in one basket, spread out our equipment... Park maintenance has a very good luck in installing the metal play structures and they find them to be tough out in the field. Lash: Did you, I was kind of looking at this. If you start at the bottom where the double slide is and the inverted arch climber. So is 32 the siz€ of the platform? Hoffman: The height. Lash: The height, okay. So this little double slide here would be mor~ for the little kids right? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 13 ~ Hoffman: Yep. Lash: And then a berma bridge, is that an expansion bridge or whatever they call those things? Hoffman: It's a bridge crossing. Lash: Are they those kind of bouncy things? Hoffman: I'm not exactly sure what a berma bridge is. Koubsky: Is it going to be the same as the one on the Landscape Structures? Hoffman: No, most likely not. Lash: A berma bridge is 14? Hoffman: Yep, there it is. Probably not as exciting as a clatter bridge or a suspension bridge. e Lash: It would be more challenging for little kids. Dave and I were just kind of in a discussion of how we'd hate to see, we were using the word whimpy. Whimpy things going in all the time because they're kind of short lived and I know, there's pros and cons to both I guess. The clatter bridge is fun. All the kids like those. This would definitely be more challenging but then it would make it hard for little kids who are over on the lower things to get over to the higher things. But then that might be a nice way to set it up too. If they can't hack the crossing, then they probably can't hack the... Schroers: It's so low in the way it's constructed, if they can't handle the chains, they'll just hop off and run across. Lash: And then what's an 8 foot challenge ladder? Hoffman: Again that would be. Koubsky: Horizontal bars? Hoffman: It was specified that a horizontal ladder should be included... Lash: And then you have the firemen's pole. The loop climber, we already talked about that. And then these other two slides then are from 64 inche, high? Hoffman: Yes... Erickson: Backing up just a second Todd. You said that this wouldn't really meet the ADA requirements until the second phase was put in? e Hoffman: Correct. For accessibility? Erickson: Right. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 14 Hoffman: Again, the interpretation of the guidelines that are.. .talk t~ and what they'll tell you... Koubsky: Todd, does this berma bridge count as an advance play component? Hoffman: Correct. Lash: along How far down, do you happen know off the top of your head how far we have phase 2 coming? How many years? Hoffman: Phase 2, play expansion beyond 1996. Schroers: Okay, are there any more questions on bid from FSI? Hoffman: Chairman Schroers, we didn't make it quite all the way through. We're at 6, advanced play components. The number of simple play component~ would be 2.. .panel with a steering wheel. Again the swings are the same number provided. Three, two tots, bucket seats, and a tire swing. And th( border is all... Are there any questions on the second proposal? No, I don't think so. I think we can move on to the third. The third proposal is provided to you by Value Recreation. One note, the omission of this spiral slide will show up under the current price...so omitted on phase 1 goes into the phase 2 proposal. Quickly running back through again, the price on this structure is $12,500.00...compliance were not provided... Again, you can note the delivery time is 30 to 45 days. Accessibility to the main structure is provided. ...included but it does include reselll' .n" tiles... Accessibility to the swings in this location is not addressed The number of decks, again 3 being counted as square decks. 36 inch dee, 48 inch deck and... Number of poles is 14. Number of advanced play components would be 4 with the tube slide in this location. The clatter bridge as shown here and...I may have counted the spiral slide...another one... Lash: There's the tree climber, the two slides and the loop ladder. Are those all the. Tree climber is number 23. Hoffman: Yeah, that would be a simple component. Lash: That would be simple? Hoffman: We have 3 advanced components in this proposal and then the tree climber... Moving to the swings as shown in phase 1. The total allotment for swings in this proposal and that would be a belt swing, bucket seat an, a tire swing. Again, depending on the...border is 266. That's a double stacked. 6 x 6 is at a nominal width. Koubsky: I guess on this one Todd, the bridge isn't being counted as an advance play structure right? Where on the other two proposals the suspension bridge and the berma bridge are being counted. Hoffman: Yes. this location. In this one it would be counted. The bridge... We have the...slide in e Koubsky: The wave slide, is that not on- there? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 15 e Hoffman: The wave slide didn't show up. Lash: There's a jet slide, a tube slide. Bill Jananosky: You don't have both the slides on the picture there. Hoffman: That's what it is in this location. Bill Jananosky: There'd be four of the advanced play structures. And that's not if you count the bridge. Hoffman: The wave slide isn't shown on your or else my 17 did not show up on the transparency. So the chart is what... Erickson: that open? don't know. Then Todd on the 36 inch triangle off the horizontal loop, is Are they climbing and jumping off that or is there some, I Koubsky: platform. What's the safety factor? How high can you have an open Right there. Hoffman: Right there, I believe there's a separate there... Koubsky: Okay, so there's a rung where they can climb up to that? e Bill Jananosky: They can step up to that. They can't reach their feet up that high. But... Schroers: Okay. Any other questions or comments? Erickson: The swings are included in phase 1? The tire swing and the bucket and the strap? Hoffman: I'd take that to be true... Erickson: And the spring animals are in phase 2? Hoffman: Correct. This is.. .include these swings in phase 1... Schroers: But that is not the.. .system that's coming in. Hoffman: Just an example of the product. Koubsky: For? Hoffman: Playworld Systems. Value Recreation. Andrews: My question is, how long has Value Recreation been in Chanhassen~ How long have you been doing business here? Bill Jananosky: 2 1/2 years. e Schroers: Okay, Todd. The correlation between Sheet 1, Sheet 2 and Sheet 3. We don't necessarily need to follow suit or stick with a particular Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 16 pattern on that. I mean for Sheet 3, we can pretty much decide ~~hich w~ we want to go without having an effect on 1 or 2. Hoffman: Absolutely. Sheet 3 would be awarded on your perception of whicf proposal provides the most product. The most play value for the money. Lash: Mr. Jananosky, did you come up with whatever you were working on over there? 8ill Jananosky: Commission? ...a few comments. Would you like me to address the Schroers: Yeah, we're ready, please. 8ill Jananosky: I've got a flyer for you all. As Todd mentioned, we're right across the street above Merlyn's Hardware. We've been here for 2 1/: years now. Our primary line of business is Playworld Systems here. They probably count for 80% or 90% of our revenue activity. Playworld Systems as you can tell by the photo is a very impressive, very nice, high quality product line. At this particular juncture, I would be in a position to prove that it's the highest quality of all "three lines that you are entertaining tonight. Now it would probably take me an hour and a half to walk you through all the products and explain all the advantages and I realize we don't have that so we'll have, at one point here maybe I'll skir through a couple things but for the most part we'll have to leave some of that discussion for another time, if it's necessary. Playworld Systems~~ been in business for 35 years. They've always offered steel systems. ~: have the best safety record of any manufacturer in the industry. They've never had a serious injury on any of their equipment. All they do is playgrounds. They focus very well on it and I honestly believe they're th! best. As a matter of fact, I left another company to go to work for these people because I thought they had a better product and the company that I left was Landscape Structures. Earl F. Anderson and Associates represents Landscape Structures too out of Delano. Now Landscape Structures, as far as I know, represents possibly exclusively all the playgrounds that the city has purchased in any recent years from what I've seen. From what I can tell. They're a very good company but Playworld Systems is just a tad better. And that's not why I left. I left because I was the National. Sales Manager and I was traveling all the time and it was really hard on the family life. I was never home. Fortunately I was able to find anothel company with similar philosophies and attitudes and concerns and to work with here, Playworld Systems so that all worked out. But nevertheless, I'r probably the most knowledgeable person, at least in Chanhassen in terms of playground equipment and making valid comparisons between these guidelines Obviously I've seen every structure in the city many times over and inspected them all many times over and bit my tongue hundreds of times in the last 2 1/2 years. I regret not coming before the Commission before this. I'm not the most aggressive person in that regard. I was trying to work through proper channels. It finally got to the point where I wasn't getting anywhere and I felt maybe if I could come meet with you folks, you'd have a better appreciation for who we are and what we do. We did not just falloff the pumpkin wagon. I've been doing this for 8 years. Wh~J was a National Marketing Director for Landscape Structures, I spent 3 1~ years inspecting playgrounds on a national level. I served on the Nationa: e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 17 Safety Commission. I've served on the ASPM.. .Safety Commission. I was th. he~d of the product development committee for Landscape Structures. Right nOvJ I'm the head of the product development committee for Playworld Systems. I eat, live and breathe playground equipment and I've been a little disappointed that I haven't been able to be more helpful to the cit: of Chanhassen. I basically have not been able to get involved for some reason. So what we would like to do is, not only propose our equipment to you but also propose that somehow we strike a stronger relationship here and you can take advantage of our abilities and we can help you with your parks and help make them safer, more proper and more cost effective play areas and hopefully give you a little more bang for your dollar as well as a better maintenance situation. Being so convenient here, across the street, we have a parts inventory. If for some reason anything should require maintenance or parts. We're in the position to make it available as easy as Kent can in the hardward store there. So if any larger part's necessary, there's a safety issue involved, we typically fly those parts i: overnight because once we hear the word safety, that's a buzz word to us and that means it's got to be dealt with immediately. You don't leave safety hazards to linger on and on and on. I think the city could benefit tremendously, not only by getting involved with a higher quality product line, but also allowing us to help you with regard to what's appropriate i terms of CPSC guidelines. What's safe on the city's parks and what is not safe. What's appropriate for ADA and all those types of issues because that's all we do. We deal with it all the time and I've been involved in i national level. So we feel we're quite knowledgeable in these subject matters. At this particular juncture there's approximately 2 dozen safety hazards in the city parks that have been lingering for many years. That d, not conform to 1981 guidelines, let alone the 1991 guidelines. Obviously more then has surfaced in the last 6 or 8 months since the 1991 guidelines were introduced just last November. I'm talking about things like entrapment areas and... When I see these in other cities, obviously I don't say a whole heck of a lot to anybody. Nobody likes to hear a negative comments on these issues and they think.. .this, that and the othe' thing. But when my own children and my neighbors children and people we care 2bout are playing on this, it concerns us quite a great deal more tha' that and obviously we feel l.ike we finally have to come forward and say something about this. I guess that's an issue separate from what we're dealing with here tonight though. Maybe I should confine myself to discussing the positive attributes of our play design here. This design includes much more expensive components than do the other designs. The intent here is to try to make it a little more exciting. A little more challenging. More interesting. It also improves the upper body events which was required in the bids. The second proposal does not include any upper body events at all. I think any playground should have at least one upper body event on it. Normally 2 or 3 in a playground this size. We just went ~jith one because that's what was called for. In this case, the upper body event is the ring bridge and the best picture in this flyer, without asking each of you to page through 110 page catalog, the best picture of the ring bridge is right in the very center of this flyer. Just to the right side of the crease you can see those triangular shaped rings. Well that's the 1992 version of a horizontal ladder. And that only has on( beam dOL~n the center of it rather than one beam on each side of it. They go to a larger beam down the center. The reason for that is.. .get up on top of that and sit up there, they can literally eat their lunch up there Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 18 on top of these horizontal laddres. And it creates an unnecessary heig~ situation. On playground height is like speed is on a highway. You try tc avoid unnecessary height. It's one thing to do it cautiously to try to create a ,little extra excitement but it's another thing to create unnecessary height situations so our horizontal ladders utilize those run, triangular shaped run affairs. The tube slides you'll see on the same pagE there, rather than being round are oval shaped. The reason they're oval shaped is it allows the children to lift their heads up a little bit to seE where they're going so when they get to the bottom, they don't just fly oui and land on the ground. They can actually prepare themselves for the exit Also, the exit section on this has a long deceleration zone to allow them to slovJ down and often times stop right at the end. Their. feet drop down, they get up and walk away. Nobody loses control type of situation. The seams on the joints of the tube slide are overlapping flange joints. It's a much better seam than what the City's been accustomed to on tube slides. Also, the panel on the top of the tube slide has a long groove across the top of a hand hold for the kids so they've got a place top put their hands so they can hang onto something and lift their feet up and actually get into position. The other panels don't have that on there so it's a lot more functional plan or slide in that regard from a user friendly standpoint. Yes sir. Schroers: I have a question back on the horizontal loop ladder. Are thosf loops welded to the bar? Bill Jananosky: Yes. e Schroers: So they don't swing. They don't move. They are locked into position. Bill Jenanosky: Yeah. If they're moving, they're probably too similar to what we would call a hand track or a ring bridge. Where the rings are intended to swing. Swing across from one to the other. Also, if I can move.. .phase'2. Notice this upper body.. .that's as high as you'd want to come off of, as high a deck as you'd want to come off of because any highe, than that and you're probably inviting the children more so to get up on top of it rather than hang from underneath it. Unnecessary invitation to get up high. Again, our city is full of playgrounds that have upper body events coming off of 4 foot and 5 foot high decks. We're just inviting thE kids to get up on top of these things. The brand new one that just went iT at City Center Park here has those on it. On each end there's a deck at the same height as the horizontal ladder. Just invite the kids to get out on top of that. So we avoided that issue. The spiral slide is a $2,500.0C item. That's a fourth of our budget here for phase 1 so it's an expensive item but it's a favorite item. And the swinging bridge is an $1,800.00 item as opposed to a $400.00 chain bridge. Andrews: I'm confused on the spiral slide. Is that omitted or not omittec in phase 1? Bill Jananosky: It's part of phase 2. I'm sorry, I guess I'm addressing the issue as a whole here. Maybe I should just be looking at phase 1. e Andrews: That's correct, please. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 19 e Berg: Now, that will be added where it's seen there in phase 2? Bill Jananosky: Yes, although I didn't realize phase 2 was 4 years behind So I guess we'll just have to wait 4 years to put that. ..on there. Phase includes the rubber pad. Now our rubber tiles don't require concrete or asphalt underneath them because of the way they interlock, it isn't necessary. You just use a good stable subsurface like a Class V or something. Schroers: Does it stay level? Bill Jananosky: If you use a proper surface underneath it like just a Class V. Something that won't shift. Something that's reasonably stable. Stable it will stay in place. Schroers: And the locking mechanism also stays in place and there's no warping or coming loose? Bill Jananosky: No. There's three different.. .you can go depending on your preference. We can go with cable, stainless steel rods or dowls. Or if you want to, you could glue it down to asphalt. Or concrete. But it isn't necessary. And that's something of course we'd keep a close eye on for you. To make sure that there wasn't any. Schroers: Todd did say in the initial presentation that you are willing t. do ongoing maintenance as needed. e Bill Jananosky: Happily. You bet you. Sure. Schroers: For an unlimited... Bill Jananosky: Well as long as we're in Chanhassen. Because I can't promise you that indefinitely. Certainly as long as we're in Chanhassen, we have a special interest. We would want to bend over backwards to keep this playground as safe and functional as possible. We have no intentions of moving. We've been here for 12 years. I'm not only a resident of Chanhassen. We also have our business here so we're very active in the community. Schroers: clients. It would probably be a handy selling point for you also. You could say, well we have...right here. For Bill Jananosky: Yeah, it'd be very handy to have something in town. That' why we feel if we rolled up our sleeves here and gone after this. In term of pricing and discounts. Any other questions on... Berg: I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. How high off the ground is the loop ladder? e Bill Jananosky: About 6 1/2 feet. Now we've got.. .data and depending on which age group you want to make it appropriate for, we can vary that an inch or 2 or 3 one way or the other...probably want to make but depending on how you want to orient that. My impression is that that first phase is for the older children so we might want to make it age appropriate for the Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 20 4th thru 5th graders. 8, 9, 10 year olds type of thing. The younger ~ children don't usually get involved with the upper body events. That's~ they also include it in part of phase 1 for the older kids. Schroers: Okay. Bill Jananosky: There's a pathway for the play structure but there isn't for the swingset. A rubber pathways for swingsets are very controversial. Very few people bother to do them. I was surprised to hear Todd promote that because 3 weeks ago in his office he was telling me all we had to do was eliminate the timber border and that would qualify for passing with th, ADA. Granted, nobody can interpret ADA 100% accurately without a crystal ball because of course you have to test the Disabilities Act but I think i you talk to the people on the committee and you talk to the chair people who we have working for us on a consulting basis, they will tell you the intent of these rules and based on what we hear from them directly, with their intent to what they're trying to accomplish here, we design playgrounds accordingly_ And s6 this complied with the intent is our position and somehow I failed to include a document to that effect but would be happy to do that. It also of course complies to all the CPSC guidelines. Their equipment complied with the guidelines last year before the guidelines were even introduced. That was because they have 5 people working on the national committee. Schroers: I have one or maybe two specific questions that maybe you could answer for me. How are we getting the most bang for our buck when we'r~ getting 4 advanced play components in phase 1 as opposed to the other t.., where they are, EFA has 5 and FSI has 6? Bill Jananosky: Well I don't know exactly how you define advanced play components but these certainly are more expensive. Schroers: I think what they're talking in advance is maybe both expensive but also more challenging and also something that is more attractive to th, kids. More of a major component. Bill Jananosky: Sure. Well, the swinging bridge is an expens~ve item. A steel swinging bridge like that is an $1,800.00 item. That's almost 20% o. the budget right there. And it generally is considered to be one of the more favored items. This is oriented so that a lot of disabled children, once they come up here, they also will be able to cross the swinging bridg, but they would not be able to cross the balance beam bridge. We could hav( done that and saved $1,000.00 and put 2 or 3 more play events on there because the average play event, the less expensive ones you've seen are like $300.00 a piece or something in that range. But this seems to be one of the more favored events in playground. Generally when you do a structure, this overall size seems to typically include a swinging bridge. Now the only exception to that is some people when they do the designs... proposals like this and they have a tendency to change their priorities ant get involved with lesser expensive components...earning more points. This wasn't the basis for this design in our case here. Schroers: Okay. Any commission members have any particular thoughts? tt guess I do. I can say why that in the past we've gone with Landscape e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 21 Structures and Earl F. Anderson. For one thing, they have been more local We have had good experience with them. We do think that they have a good product. We like their design. We felt like we were getting as much for our money there as we were anywhere else. And in some instances we though we were going to get more for our money and better service and we very muc like the fact that they are fairly accessible without having to go to Missouri or out to the East Coast or something like that for parts. However, part of our program here is to the first...somewhat and some of the advantages that you have pointed out I think are valid and I would not be opposed to going with Value Recreation. The price is basically coming in at exactly the same and I think it would be good for us to have some different types and different brands and without doing so, it's hard for u to evaluate what we want to do in the future. I guess I would be in favor of going with Value Recreation for the third item. Andrews: Is that a motion? Schroers: I'll make that a motion unless we have more. Lash: I have a comment. It has nothing to do with any of the suppliers. It just has to do with plans in general. I don't want to claim that I'm a expert at watching kids on the playground but I've spent a lot of time. I mean I spend time every day watching kids play on the playground so I see the kinds of things kids like and the kinds of things that they don't like And I don't want to see us get too hung up on slides. Kids like slides bu it seems like the things they're waiting in line to do are to climb. And I know that kids can climb on the slide and that's what they want to do. They want to climb on the outside of the slide. They want to climb from the bottom of the slide up and at school we have a rule you can't climb o~ the slide which then means it has one purpose only and that's just to go down. So you know at school it's different than at a neighborhood park bu some of these plans that I see we get so hung up on providing so many different kinds of slides and I think a couple of slides are fine but I like the climbing apparatus. There are so many fun things out now that kids can climb on that I'd like to see us focus a little bit more on some of the climbing things and get away from quite so many slides. I know jus as an example, because I have yours open and there's 6 different varieties of slides shown in the two phases and once we get to phase 2, whatever we choose, I'd like to have us look a little more carefully at how many slide~ we have. Bill Jananosky: Generally you want to design a playground, like this may be the only play structure that those neighborhood kids play on and therefore hopefully they develop all their muscle groups equally well. So you want to cover all the bases and I concur with you 100%. Although, please bear in mind that what goes up must come down and so you end up, there's a tendency to provide an equal number of entrances and exits which typically the entrances are climbing events and the exits are typically sliding events. Although some of the climbers do go both ways. For what it's worth, the Playworld Systems also has the strongest warranty program by far. It's a 25 year warranty on the clamps which is a very integral part of the system. 15 year warranty on the posts. 10 year warranties on the decks. It's a very strong... Believe me, it hasn't been...equipment. A lot of the larger cities that have urban vandalism problems tend to favol Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 22 Playworld Systems because it is so heavy duty. It always has been a ve~ rugged product line. Berg: Have you supplied any systems in this area anywhere? Bill Jananosky: Well let's see. There's one at Scenic Heights Elementary which isn't too far from here. ~t's just over behind TH 101 and Excelsior Blvd. over there. As a matter of fact, they're getting their second one now that's going to be going in in about 2 days. They're real happy with the first one. So that's probably the closest one. Berg: Are any of the Commissioners acquainted with that system? Bill Jananosky: This is a steel system. I'm sorry. Lash: That's alright. Bill Jananosky: The first design by the way was a redwood system. They did not bid that in steel. That was just purely bid as redwood. And also that first design has two independent structures. When you break a structure down into two independent structures like that and you make one more age appropriate for the younger kids rather than the older kids. Wha" happens is the younger kids don't want to play on the smaller play structure. They want to go to the bigger one so you end up spending a lot of money on a structure that nobody's going to use. Also, both of those structures have ADA entrances on them. They both have 5 or 6 decks tha~ have, serve really no purpose other than moving disabled people up onto~( higher platforms. Why pay that cost twice? I mean you don't get much pIa: value out of those types of designs. Lash: One of the more simpler items that we can ever get that I think is always just a huge success is the firemen's pole. For some reason the kid~ just love those and it's something that makes them really, they're always afraid to try it the first time and then all of a sudden they get the courage to do it, and then they find out how much fun it is and you can't get them off of it. No, there isn't one on there. There's on one of the other ones. Bill Jananosky: We decided to go with the 3 foot or 4 foot high decks. Ii you get 5 or 6 feet high, it gets to be a long slide and you get some broken ankles and that some of those kinds of issues. Schroers: Okay, what we're going to be recommending here is on phase 1 anc we can add onto phase 2 or change things if we don't like the way it's shaping up. If we feel that we do need more climbing. Koubsky: One of the problems I have with all three designs is swings. YOL know we've had discussion on here that playgrounds need swings and it's probably the way this was bid. But in each of these there are two swings and two of them, it's one belt and one tot swing. Two boys going over there to swing together, or two girls, can't swing on these because there'f one limiting thing and that's the tot swing so you've only got one ~ preschool or school aged person swinging at these facilities at a time. And then the FSI, you just have two tot swings. So you don't have any Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 23 e swinging capabilities in the FSI at all. I don't know if we can change that but I think if there's any way. Tot swing you need but I think in a mInImum, on anything we put in, we should have two belt swings. Just because friends go there and friends swing. Lash: And even if it's a parent... Koubsky: Families have more than one. Right, parents swing. Lash: Although the tire swing, if there's two kids, they're going to go 0' the tire swing anyway. Schroers: Tire swings are very popular. I don't know how we would do tha' without maybe the addition of another belt swing but I don't think that YOI would want to eliminate either the one bucket or the one tire. We would maybe want to try to just add an additional belt swing rather than eliminate one or the other two. Do you happen to know what additional costs would be for one more belt swing? Bill Jananosky: Instead of? Schroers: Not instead of. Just in addition to. Just one more. Andrews: Put another bay down. e Bill Jananosky: Yeah, we'd have to get another bay and I'm going to guess another bay with two swings on it, because they typically support two swings. The second bay is less expensive than the first bay because you can utilize the same center post and the same crossover section. So the first bay might be $800.00. A second bay I'm going to guess is around $600.00. Lash: So it'd be another $600.00. To add two more swings. Schroe.s: I don't know that we can do that now on phase 1. I mean what w, have to do is make a recommendation on what is proposed for phase 1. And then if we wanted to add, we would have to do that in phase 2.," And includ! that into the bid. 8ill Jananosky: You could make phase 2, 2 or 3 weeks from now make this all phase 3 if you're anxious to get them on there. an advantage to doing that in the same time that we're putting border and you're putting the surfacing material in there. and then There'd be in the Schroers: Okay, so then in order to deal with this in a somewhat timely manner, we just have to focus on what we have available here for us on phase 1 and do the comparison of the three different vendors here. I gues~ that I would be willing to formulate a motion unless there's more. Lash: I was just looking at the picture of the tree climber in here. e 8ill Jananosky: Oh, we might have to go to the catalog for that. The treE climber is like a, yeah. Oh you've got ~t there. Why don't you try page 14. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 24 Koubsky: Todd, do you have any background on this berma bridge as far ~ safety or whatever? I've never seen a chain bridge like that before. ~j would be on the FSI proposal. Hoffman: No background that I.can call. No personal visit to a playgroun( where I participated. Koubsky: Is it relatively new? Bill Jananosky: No. We provide this also. Lash: Here's a picture of their chain bridge which is different. I like this one better. What would be the difference in cost if we were to do a chain bridge instead of the. Bill Jananosky: Swinging bridge? Lash: Yes. Koubsky: Is that fair? Lash: I don't know. The other guy has a chain bridge. Koubsky: Yeah, but the other manufacturer... Bill Jananosky: $1,000.00, something in that range but it's going to c~ out that second phase for anybody who's handicapped. Potentially. .,' Hoffman: Chairman Schroers, if I could just comment on a few of Bill's comments prior to moving forward. In his initial comments you talk, you reference, just for clarification sake, the FSI proposal. That it did not provide an upper arm, upper body. I would think that the 8 foot horizonta ladder, just for clarification, would probably be considered an upper body type of apparatus. Koubsky: They all have the horizontal ladders. Hoffman: Secondly, Bill and I have had conversations in regard to the safety standards which the new CPSC and the old guidelines as well. I recognize that our playgrounds do have safety problems. The manufacturer, or Earl F. Anderson is currently out in field doing, conducting field visits and coming back with recommendations to the city so they are as wel following up on the new CPSC guidelines and going through each play structure in town. I feel it's certainly not only important in our city but in all cities. I feel our play structures which we maintain in the city of Chanhassen are essentially safe. We certainly do have some areas where we can make them improve their safety and we're working towards that However, I know that some other communities with older equipment which we have worked tremendously at taking out and replacing as the commission knows, the project at City Center Park was essentially a project to improv( safety and to expand play availability so the City's very interested in doing that. Third comment was on ADA and certainly as I mentioned earl~ I was not specifically promoting Earl F. Anderson's provision of two but simply pointing that out to the Commission. I as well am confused by what e e ,e I Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 25 the American with Disabilities Act means for provision. We need to keep iJ in mind but it means some common sense in regard to accessibility and as well we need to keep in mind that it not only means wheelchair accessible. Somewhere in the vicinity of less than 1% of people who are considered handicapped are in wheelchairs. There's a variety of other handicaps whicl people have and those types of persons would come and use these facilities as well. However, the CPSC does callout, or excuse me, the ADA for a lik. sensations meaning they would like to see you provide reasonable access to like sensation being a set of swings or a main structure or if you put in i couple of spring animals, if one of those isn't accessible, then you're no' pro~liding like sensations to all persons. Those would be my comments in that regard. You've obviously heard a presentation from one of the manufacturers this evening. If you would like to make a choice, that's at your discretion. If you would like to hear from other manufacturers and question them as well, I would be happy to arrange for that. Schroers: Okay, thanks Todd. Are there any commissioners that have any particular feelings in regard to Todd's comment? How do you feel about asking another manufacturer to come in? Erickson: I personally think that Todd makes a good point about mentioning, possibly another manufacturer coming in. The nice thing about having the gentleman here tonight was just to fill in some of the gaps in the stuff here and I think he that pretty well. The CPSC compliance and the ADA compliance answered some questions there also on the delivery time And a little bit about the play structure. Clearing up some of those components. I don't think we got extra information above and beyond EFA so much as just filling in the gaps for Value Recreation. That's my view. I guess I don't find it necessary to have another EFA come in. They had a pretty complete package. Or FSI. Andrews: I'd like to make a comment in that I think if we recommend a vendor other than EFA, that as part of our recommendation that we require that that vendor does provide compliance documents before they are considered to be a successful bidder for the project. Schroers: I think that's a good point. Koubsky: Yeah, they at least meet all the requirements of the specifications. Andrews: I think they ought to provide a written document that they are guaranteeing that they are providing or have met the requirements. Not just that the documents because I think that's what EFA did right? They are saying that they are making the guarantee themselves. Not just providing. Hoffman: Correct. Koubsky: Those are items that staff should address. As far as I'm concerned with bidding, if you don't meet the requirements of the bid, you're out. I mean you layout the requirements for bid specification. I~ should be up to staff or some party to review those bids and bids that aren't in out. If you have to rebid then after because you don't have Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 26 sufficient manufacturers who have complied with your bid, at least you'. made your point that we are not going to accept non complete bids. And have no problem with throwing out all bids. Making them rebid if there's only one manufacturer who meets the specifications but I think it's very important for us not to set a precedence in accepting bids that aren't complete and then say okay, well we'll accept your bid now but now you havf to make sure you comply with the bid specifications. That's my thought on bidding processes. We shouldn't see them if they're not complete. But here we are. Bill Jananosky: My impression is that the vendors supply statements stating that they concur with, their proposal concurs with ADA and CPSC. The intent there is that if for some reason it ever turns out that it does not, you've got something to fall back on. And you can contact me or whoever and say hey Bill, we've got a problem here. You said this conforms. Somebody says it does not. We need you to stand behind your equipment and stand behind your statement and help us out on this. Get this solved for us which I think makes great sense. Likewise, I would think a supplier that's supplying the city with so many playgrounds that d, not conform with the 1981 safety guidelines should be asked to do what the~ can do to help bring those guidelines up to at least, those playgrounds up to the 1981 standards. I'm saying that as a taxpayer, not as a vendor here. Koubsky: Yeah, and those are issues that it sounds like it's being worked on and we'll take those up with staff I guess. e Schroers: Okay but I guess what we are asking for here is that the ADA requirements be addressed in writing. That your product does meet the standards to the best of... Bill Jananosky: .. .had that on the drawing and when we, when our office girl cut this out and pasted this on here, she cut that off the drawing. They put that on all the drawings that they do that conform to ADA and the: all do to CPSC. They wouldn't let them leave their house. So that just happened to be cut off the drawing when she glued it onto the board here. Schroers: Okay. Lash: I'm going to be real honest here and when I look at the plans, I certainly lean towards wanting to give business to local residents so I'm very torn. I would like to do that but in all honesty I like the FSI plan better. I don't know why. I think it looks like it's more fun to me and it looks like it provides more. And I know logically that it's the difference in the two kinds of bridges. You said the two kinds of bridges amounts to about $1,000.00 so I'm sure for $1,000.00. Bill Jananosky: The sprial slide is $2,500.00. Lash: So I know the reason for it. I guess I am interested in giving a local vendor a shot and see how it works out. And if it looks like we don't get the service or the equipment or the return on our money that ~ have in the past from other vendors, then I wouldn't hesitate at all to ~ back to one of the other vendors. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 27 Schroers: Well I think that's what you're saying is, what I was trying to say before. Unless we try a new manufacturer, a new product, a new vendor we won't know. We don't have any real valid way within our system to make comparisons and evaluations if we're dealing with the same people all the time. I personally am happy with Landscape Structures. I think that they have a nice product and to my knowledge we haven't had problems with their components functioning and the kids seem to like them a lot. But we are also not talking a tremendous amount of money. I mean there's no difference in the amount of money between Value Recreation and EFA and jus1 a very small difference between FSI so I don't think that the money factor in this particular instance makes a lot of difference. Lash: It still looks on the plans like you're getting more for your money from FSI. I can't help but get that impression from looking at the plan. Bill Jananosky: You would have preferred lesser expensive components and more of them. Koubsky: I think what's desireable there is two areas. One, you have an area for smaller people and one you have an area for larger people. You have the height, the 64 inches. You have the upper body horizontal and I think that's the appeal there is the two separate areas. Lash: Are you talking about on the FSI? Koubsky: Right. Well actually for both FSI and Landscape. It's similar. 8ill Jananosky: Well this is polarized also for age appropriateness. The FSI design does not have ADA in phase 1 and I don't think you want to wait until 1996 for ADA. Lash: Right. That's the down side for them definitely. Because we're not even saying 1996 but we're saying beyond 1996. We don't even have it in our budget yet. So we don't know when this is going to go in for sure. I guess with that I'd be ready to make a motion. Is that what you want to do Jim? Andrews: Yeah, I want to say let's try something here and see if it will fly. Lash: I'd like to move that we recommend to City Council that we go with Value Recreation's bid for phase 1 for Herman Field in the amount not to exceed $12,500.00. And to meet all the specifications. Schroers: Is there a second? Andrews: I'll second that. Lash moved, Andrews seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend to City Council to accept the bid for phase 1 playground equipment for Herman Field Park from Value Recreation in an amount not to exceed $12,500.00 and that Value Recreation meet all the specifications in a timely manner. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 28 Erickson: Excuse me, I have one other thing. You're going to send 4It something in writing besides your word, which I do trust, on that compliance with ADA and CPSC to Todd. Koubsky: That's to meet the specs. And I guess my comment to staff is, bidders should meet specifications. That's why we write them. If they don't meet specifications, I think they should be rejected and the project should be rebid. Andrews: I agree with Dave on that. A bid that doesn't meet specs is not a bid. The other comment I wanted to make Todd, and I don't know if we ca' do anything here. I feel the opportunity here to squeeze $600.00 out of someplace to put on another bay to get two swings is something that I'd like to see us try to do. Before this thing goes up. So I don't know if we can get something in the next meeting. Will this be put up this fall yet or probably next spring? Hoffman: Hopefully this fall. That's why the 30 day timeline on delivery was. Schroers: So you want it on phase 1 rather than phase 2? Andrews: Phase 1 1/2. Schroers: It's probably be easier to add in on phase 2. Andrews: From a bid standpoint here it would not be proper for us to on another item onto the bid without opening it to all bidders again. guess I would say that we can look at this as a phase 1 1/2 special opportunity. Now that we've selected a vendor, it would only make sense t, continue with the same vendor, which I guess is part of the secret of this business of selling playground equipment. But I think for $600.00 that swingsets are always the item that we seem want to put up and for $600.00 we can get two more. I think we're going to want to do that. t_ So Lash: And I don't want to wait for phase 2 because we have no idea when. Andrews: No, I don't either. Schroers: Well I think that we could probably steal $600.00 out of the budget somewhere. Lash: Do you think we can? Hoffman: We'll bring that back to the next meeting. Schroers: The vendor would probably be willing to give us a real bargain and a half. Lash: Another thing that I'd like to say. I think I recall, I don't thinl we've bought playground equipment like this for a long time it doesn't seer like but it seems in the past that we had more input into what was actu~) going in. And I would kind of like to revert back to that process wher~( chew around what we think we'd like to see in there. Make a list of some Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 29 e of the items we'd like to see and we pass it onto you. You put it together. You send it onto the vendors and say, we'd like some of these things in there and whatever else you think would make it nice and this can't go over a certain amount of money and then let them come back with a plan. But giving us more initial input into it. Hoffman: A couple of comments. My thought process did pass over that wit~ the workload which the Commission has recently had. I threw that right out the window and went with what we traditionally have specified in the play structures. A couple of clarifications before we move on. I would like Bill to clarify the number of tiles and the type. He talked about three separate types that will be provided with this structure and then if the quote for, the verbal quote for $600.00 for the two additional swings, if that quote is valid. Bill Jananosky: That's valid. I'll commit to that. It was an educated guess but I'll commit to that. $600.00 on that. You need the ADA statement from me and it is 12 tiles. Hoffman: The dimensions are? Bill Jananosky: Two foot squares so you have a 4 foot wide pathway which is what ADA likes to see is the 4 foot wide pathway. Schroers: And the type of tile. What connector are you going to use? e Bill Jananosky: Recycled rubber tires. Schroers: But you talked about different connecting mechanisms. Bill Jananosky: Oh yeah, I don't know. There's three. There's the cable or there's steel rods or dowls. Schroers: Which is the best? Bill Jananosky: The dowls seem to be the best...going to put a wood borde, around the rubber tiles themselves. Which causes a whole new set of concerns because then you have a wood border that falls out in the play structure so generally the dowls is the best way to go. To tie everything together it becomes one monogymous piece that's just too heavy to move. Andrews: Is there a difficulty if we were to glue this to an asphalt or concrete? Bill Jananosky: No, it works fine. They do it all the time. Andrews: I guess to me that seems like that would be a better solution because you don't have a potential of moving a subsurface. Your Class V 01 whatever you use. e Lash: I have a question. If you have an all asphalt surface there already, why do you have to have the tiles? Hoffman: Their reseilency from the bounee. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 30 Schroers: A cushion. e Lash: Isn't this just a path that gets up to the play area? . Hoffman: It's still within the play zone or the fall zone. Bill Jananosky: To answer your question on the Class V. We just did a 2,800 square foot play area for the city of St. Paul and that was all rubber.. .and there was no asphalt or concrete underneath that anywhere. Schroers: Well yeah, that's the thing. You just did it. Where's it goin to be 10 years from? That's the bottom line. That's what. we need to know Hoffman: That's a different material than what is specified here. That was a support... Schroers: See I'm somewhat familiar with these type of things and all of the synthetic surfaces that I've seen up to this point have all been glued So I'm somewhat skeptical. Bill Jananosky: Well.. .would be a guarantee permanent where there is some question of durability without the concrete or asphalt underneath that. Erickson: If we're going to do it anyways, let's go ahead and glue it on top of the asphalt. Schroers: I would think that we would want to. e Hoffman: Then my question would be, the tiles. Does that include the adhesive or is that an additional charge? Bill Jananosky: That would include the adhesive. Schroers: There you go. I thought it would. We'd better move on here. This is costing you money. Bill Jananosky: Thank you very much for your time. Koubsky: One comment. Like adding these swings as a phase 2. I think that's great. I think if we see, and there's nothing wrong with calling i. phase 2. The neighbors see something new go in, oh they're adding something. I don't think it all has to be an all or nothing for phase 2 0 phase 3. If you see a fire pole somewhere or some of the facilities don't have the horizontal ladders, and want to put it in, call it phase 2. It doesn't matter. We should be able to put components, add onto these. It', fairly cost effective. You know small components. You just keep putting something into the different parts without having to add a $15,000.00 phase. $600.00 or if after construction, maybe $1,000.00 set of swings or a $1,000.00 horizontal ladder is great. Schroers: Well what I really thought would be of benefit going with va'l in this instance is that they are going to have something right here wh, their business is located that they're going to want to be able to show 0 other perspective purchasers and my idea is that they're going to go out O. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 31 their way to do a particularly good job here on this one. We don't have ~ much to lose on this one I don't believe. 1993 PARK ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. FINAL DRAFT. Hoffman: Thank you Chairman Schroers. Park Commissioners, this is a fairly detailed document. It is the second time through so we should be able to complete it in somewhat of a timely fashion. You have a detail sheet which is exactly what we need to come out of this meeting with. That's the pages that would be 2 or 3 of your packet. It details there what has been pulled out of the 5 year capital improvement program for the fiscal year 1993. Totals that at a subtotal of $142,050.00. However then as noted in the report, if you add on the $25,000.00 reserve which was talked about for City Center Park matching funds, you come up with a total exceeding the $150,000.00 target budget by the amount of $17,050.00. So there do need to be some adjustments with the budget. You either need to reduce some of the specific items which are listed there, or reduce the nel reserve of $25,000.00 for City Center Park matching funds with the school district. Or a combination thereof. Chairman Schroers, if you'd like direction in how you should move through this, I'll be glad to provide that. Otherwise simply. e Schroers: I think I'd appreciate it if you would. on the last issue and if you'd move us through here we'd appreciate it. If I understand you correctly, come up with $17,500.00? We spent a lot of time in a timely manner, what we need to do is Hoffman: If you want to stay with your figures which were discussed at th, last meeting, correct. At the last budget meeting. Schroers: If we stay the way it's proposed right here, we're coming up $17,000.00 over budget? Hoffman: Correct. Lash: Well how about if we just reduce the City Center fund, and phase that in over 3 years and do it like $8,000.00 a year or something. Chance~ are the,"re not going to come up with any money for a couple years anyway. Andrews: I think that makes a lot of sense. e Hoffman: That would be one suggestion. Again, if you're going through thl comments, I wanted to make sure that you bounced around the issue of the $65,000.00 in lights at Lake Susan which is 45% of the budget. I asked Jerry Ruegemer, the Recreation Supervisor to respond to that. Again, there's many issues and essentially it should only be justified if the commission does not feel that that $65,000.00 would be better spent elsewhere in the city. If it could be spent better for more value to people, then we essentially should not be making that recommendation. again as I stated, it's a one time type of investment. You simply at point need to bite the bullet if you want to do it, and get it done. However, as stated in my memo, summertime in Chanhassen, you obviously hav{ many opportunities. During the winter, I take calls from residents who more But some Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 32 ask, are there additional skating opportunities? Are there additional ~ winter recreation opportunities? Where is the sliding hill in Chanhassen? We haven't had one to date but hopefully now Power Hill will fill that bill. So as the Commission, it's your responsibility as well to weigh these checks and balances of our annual budget. Once you lock up $65,000.00 for a year and we go out to bid for that project, we commit ourselves. Schroers: What was the response from Mr. Ruegemer in regard to the importance of the lighting at Lake Susan? Lash: There's a memo attached. Hoffman: There's a last memo on your packet. In it he talked about the numbers of baseball players and that type of thing in the community. The survey, the preliminary results on the survey don't rate lights highly but you would expect that simply because it's only a certain segment of the community. If you're not interested in baseball or have no children in baseball, you're not a softball player, you're not going to vote yes for athletic lights. So in that vein, the survey which comes back would tell you to put that money elsewhere. Potentially in trails or neighborhood park development. Not in lights but you need to come up with that thought process and struggle through it. Lash: For one thing, we can't put it into trails. For another thing, the survey also put Bandimere kind of low and so if people aren't going to .' to support the development of Bandimere, we're going to have to find ot alternatives to provide ballfields and this is a way that we're going to b, able to almost double the useage on this one field. So what else can we do? Schroers: Also, can that lighting be used for anything else? Can that lighting be used for skating in the wintertime? Could we develop an additional skating area there where we could use those lights? Hoffman: Not at Lake Susan. Not in regards to skating. The outfield contains irrigation in it so you'd kill the grass. At issue of multi- purpose use, we may be able to use Lake Susan for some fall soccer under the lights. That type of use but adult softball would not be scheduled. Koubsky: You know the idea of just a nice ballfield. It's a great ballfield. We need night games. We need to fertilize it. It's not green yet. It's irrigated. Lash: You kind of sound like President Bush. Not green. You need to fertilize. Koubsky: For ballparks, it needs that lighting thing. Schroers: I do agree. At the rate that Chanhassen is developing and we'r{ only at half of our target population right now, that ballfield is something that's going to be more in demand as time goes on and as time~ goes on, lighting it going to get more expensive as well as everything ~E so I guess I think that we should stay with the lighting. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 33 e Lash: I think we need to come up with that. I agree, we need to do that but we need to come up with the money somewhere to put into our, what were the two things we were lacking? The Scout. Hoffman: Yeah, listed on page 26. Other Improvements continue to see money. The Commission has found themselves in many circumstances where they'd like to do a $600.00 project and have not laid away the funds to do that so a contingency of at least a few thousand dollars, upwards of $5,000.00 would prove very beneficial as you work through the year. Schroers: Okay. Well if you would be so kind as to run a couple of your options by us and along with the one that Janet made in regard to reducing the matching funds for City Center and we can make a decision on this. Lash: Under Carver Beach, can we pitch a couple of picnic tables? Can they come out of the ones we just specified tonight or from somewhere else Hoffman: I'd hate to cut any picnic tables. We're strapped. We move the' around the way it is. In regards to the $17,000.00 that you're high, if you take that off of the 25, you're left with $8,000.00. But if you want to use a portion of that for spectator seating, additional bleachers, or put aside $1,000.00 for a Boy Scout project or put a few thousand dollars away f01- contingency, you're essentially going to wipe out any reserve for City Center Park for those matching dollars. So again it's back to the Commission to make that call which they feel is more appropriate. e Andrews: I have one comment to make and that's just that the pace of current commercial development in our city, I think we're going to see a shot here of revenue next year. Higher than what we saw this year. So I'f not as nervous about being slightly more aggressive in '93 as I was in '92 So I think we can put a little more into the budget than we originally werl targeting. Schroers: Now are we talking for the matching funds was for 1993 or for the whole 5 years? Did we put that $25,000.00 in for 1993? Lash: And then that was supposed to be it. Just $25,000.00 and then whenever they matched it, we would do it. Well, if we phased it in now an< say we put in $5,000.00 or $8,000.00 each year over a couple of years, by the time they're ready to match it, we'd have it. Schroers: I think that makes a lot of sense to me. That way we don't havl to re-manipulate the. Lash: I hate to see that happen because I'd like to see that project get finished. But I think that we discussed enough last time that we don't think it's fair that we carry the entire burden and I really don't see thai the school district is going to be coming up with any money for that for a few years and I think that's that... e Schroers: I think if we go ahead and foot the bill or show good faith that we are willing to, they probably won't. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 34 Lash: ~Jell, and if we come up with $8,000.00 and they match with ~ $8,000.00, that's a phase 2 anyway so, isn't it? I mean don't we usually do it in like about a $15,000.00? Hoffman: Each of the remaining two phases were called out at the time of the initial installation at just over $20,000.00. Lash: Don't you think they could be pared down? Hoffman: Certainly. Andrews: I'd like to try a, so we get this going here. I'd like to recommend that we put $8,000.00 into the City Center fund for this season and to plan on contributing an additional $8,000.00 for the next 2 years after this current year. Then we put the $1,000.00 budget item line in thE Boy Scout project. That we put an additional $4,000.00 in the Lake Susan for ballfield improvements relating to the lighting. That could be, that could include bleachers or other improvements that would be suitable for night. Night use. Koubsky: Any idea on a contingency fund? We have no contingency fund? Andrews: Thank you. We have $1,000.00 in there now. Lash: What do you think is an appropriate amount Todd? Hoffman: For contingency? You'll spend $1,000.00 in one little striketlt Andrews: I think we need to have that up at 5. $5,000.00. Schroers: Did we need the $4,000.00 to compliment the lighting project at Lake Susan? Hoffman: As far as additional bleachers? Schroers: Yeah. Hoffman: Well, additional bleachers are requested by Association on an annual basis as their events grow. go at Lake Susan or Meadow Green or up at City Center been buying one or two sets of bleachers on an annual need. the Athletic Whether those would Park, but again we'VE basis to meet the Schroers: Yeah I guess I was having trouble following Jim because it seemf to me like you were coming up with more than that $25,000.00. Andrews: Yes I am. That's exactly right. What I'm saying is that I feel that we can exceed our original target. The only reason I think that way is because of seeing the plans come in for the Target. For the other mallf that seem to be coming. I feel fairly comfortable with the fact. Schroers: That we can exceed our overall budget? e Andrews: We're going to have more cashflow than we originally... Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 35 . ash: So our budget was supposed to be, we were supposed to try to stick to $150,000.00. Hoffman: Correct. And I tend to agree with Commissioner Andrews but I would stick to the $150,000.00 recommendation. Target will come in. It will match, if it does get approved, it will match similar funds, revenues to what the supermarket development was. Past that point, we don't have anything right on the verge of being constructed. There's certainly many proposals out there. I feel very comfortable with that figure. The number does come out of the City Manager's office and would not be at the discretion of the Park Commission to arbitrarily change it at this point without additional review. But again, if we do take in $25,000.00 more in revenue than expected, that just goes into the back account and if we are at, as addressed in earlier presentations, we are at a low. Schroers: Then we can spend it as we get it, not before we get it? Hoffman: Correct. We are at low tide. We're at the cash on hand of $225,000.00. Barely covering our reserves where 4 years ago we were at a high of cash on hand of over $600,000.00. Schroers: r like what Jim is doing but I think we have to do it within th{ $150,000.00 framework so if YOLl just want to reword that Jim. e Lash: But we can't. If we take, if we started out at $167,000.00. We take off $17,000.00 from City Center, that leaves $8,000.00 like we just talked. Then we're at $150,000.00 so we don't have any then to put into the contingency or the Boy Scouts or the tree farm or anything else. So that means we've got to cut something somewhere else if we want to have a contingency fund. And Boy Scout projects. So we've got to go back to the drawing board. Erickson: We're looking for things to cut out of the '93 budget. Make sure I'm on track here, right? Schroers: Yep, the '93. Erickson: I was the one who originally brought up Chanhassen Pond Park. Repair the observation platform. You have $2,000.00 on that. Maybe we could bump that to '94. My greatest concern with that is really a safety issue, not so much making sure people can see the park. That's not a high priority item. It'd be something that we should either tear down that decl or fix it. Maybe we can just have Boy Scouts tear it out of there. Or maintenance tear it out of there. Put the improvement for '94. Or maybe even '95 and then at that point build it. Build a new one. I don't hear neighbors clamboring for an observation deck repaired at Chanhassen Pond Park. Although I think somewhere down the road, maybe next year, the year after, if that would be a good idea. Lash: But if it's a safety issue, it needs to be addressed. e Erickson: That at least has to be torn down which shouldn't cost us any money. Maybe maintenance can go out there and tear it down. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 36 Lash: So you're comfortable with that? e Erickson: I'm comfortable or moving it onto '94. Andrews: I have another item. I'm wondering under Lake Ann, we have $10,500.00 for the trail loop. Over the last years, there have been a few opportunities where that's been done under city hours rather than out of the budget. Park budget. Is there any chance we could look to that area for a little squeeze there? Lash: What is a bituminous, what is that anyway? Hoffman: Bituminous trail loop. Is a trail loop which has been grubbed out and cleared in this large treed section of the western edge of the park. It's an unused portion of the park and to be able to get folks in there to enjoy that portion of the park would be a nice amenity. Through the ADA requirements, the comments you are seeing is that gravel, turf, those types of trails really just don't cut it anymore in regards to accessibility. You should be looking to bituminous surfacing. However, this has been tagged on and deleted over the past couple of years. It's $10,500.00, which by the way is simply for material only. We will be doin~ the installation so if we contracted that job out, it would cost us $30,000.00. Lash: This has been postponed several years but when I read this, I lookec at that too and guiltily thought well it can be postponed again but theali thought maybe it was something connected with the new picnic shelter. ~t it was something in that area that needed to be done. Schroers: Yeah, what actual amenities would this trail serve? What would it tend to do? It wouldn't tend to give people another easier access down to the beach from the western parking lot. It wouldn't do anything but provide a trail loop correct? Hoffman: Correct, sure. Schroers: And a pretty small loop. Hoffman: Yeah. The square footage or the lineal feet is upstairs. It's plotted on an aerial if anybody's interested in taking a look at it. But we are somewhat deficient in our city in recreational trails and a place tc go and walk and that is what it would be providing. The woods there is very... (There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.) Schroers: .. .It's where the gravel is now and you can go down to the west end of the beach that way. Part of it. Hoffman: Part of it yeah but it meanders through the entire western edge of the woods there. And again, trails have been specified in the, potentially not this type of trail. They're looking for access to and ~rr their neighborhoods to parks and to the downtown but trails nevertheless are rated extremely high. Higher than anything else in the survey. e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 37 Schroers: Yeah, I'm just wondering how much a trail of that type and of that length would actually get used. I mean how many people are going to say drive out to the park so they can walk it. It probably wouldn't be a mile. Hoffman: The entire two loops are close to a mile. Andrews: I agree with Larry. I just don't see it as a destination activity. Schroers: I think that a lot of people aren't even going to know it's' there. Koubsky: Especially without mosquito control. Erickson: I'm sorry, where's the loop again? Lash: It's up in the woods. Erickson: In Lake Ann? Schroers: In Lake Ann and west of the ballfields. It probably stays on this side of the creek. Where the creek goes underneath the road and over Erickson: It's that gravel path that goes from like one of the parking ramps back to that sand volleyball thing? Hoffman: It shows the entire thing. Why don't you just continue to discuss it and I'll go get it. Lash: What we need to do is look for a fairly big buck item that we're willing to postpone in order to have these other things and there's only two of them on here. One is that and the other one is Sunset Ridge play area expansion 2. Phase 2. Andrews: I don't think we can delete that. Schroers: No, I don't think we should either. I really think that, you know as much as I like trails, I like bicycling and walking and jogging anc all that but I think a one mile trail through that woods, very few people are going to know about it. I think it's going to be used very little. I really don't see that as an amenity. I don't see anybody saying oh, they've got a new one mile paved trail down at Lake Ann. Let's go down there and use it. Andrews: They're not going to drive to that as a destination. Schroers: It doesn't go anywhere. It's a loop. A few people in particular who jog around there or walk their dogs around there may use it but I don't see it as something that's going to be as attractive to the city as a whole. Berg: What was the rationale for proposing it in the first place? If thi~ Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 38 has been postponed 2 or 3 times. there? What was the rationale for having it . Lash: Well it's just a turf trail now. Schroers: Yeah, it's supposed to be kind of nature. Lash: Didn't an Eagle Scout do it or something? Brush it out before or how did that get there? Hoffman: No... Berg: Why did someone sometime decide that $10,500.00 was a good idea to spend on this? Erickson: The basic rationale is you get a giant piece of woods there, let's go walk through it? Hoffman: Right... Erickson: Just a big piece of land that we're not utilizing. Lash: So it was a nature trail and if people aren't using it now as a nature trail, are they going to use it when it's paved? Probably not. Erickson: Oh, this is the existing one. e Schroers: Yeah, this is the existing one... Erickson: I like this little trail here. I didn't know that that was all parkland. Hoffman: You and everybody else. Erickson: Yeah, and you may want to keep it that way. I think the trail'~ a good idea. If not this year. There's already a nice walk at Lake Ann from Lake Ann, the swimming beach and everything over to Greenmeadow Shores. There's a nice... Schroers: Todd, can we just straighten this out and run it around the lakE and hook up to the existing trail on the east side? I'll go for that. Koubsky: You'd have a hard time pulling that one out. Lash: How do you access...where you get into it? Up at the top of the hill by the volleyball? Schroers: No, just opposite of Field 2. Hoffman: Two separate points for access there. Well actually three. Lash: But it's off the parking area then? e Schroers: Right off the parking area in here. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 39 ~ Koubsky: There's a little gate there. Schroers: Yeah. You can access off of the shore down there. Coming up from the beach... Andrews: I'm ready to bail you guys out here. I've got the perfect answer. Schroers: Oh good. I'm glad somebody does. Andrews: We'll take the whole entire budget and... My idea was to do this. What Jan said is right. There's only a few logical targets here that can really make any real difference to our budget. My proposal is that we contribute $8,000.00 towards City Center this year, as I said before. That we allocate $1,000.00 for the Eagle Scout and we take $9,500.00 and put it in contingency which is a large amount for contingenc but I'm sure that we'll have needs come up next year, as Todd has stated, that we could easily use that in wise ways later. And that would then balance our budget. Schroers: And eliminate the paving of the proposed. Andrews: Leave the trail loop and change our contribution to City Center to $8,000.00 instead of $25,000.00. e Erickson: And the trail loop is just going to be forgotten about or moved onto future? Andrews: It'd be deferred. Koubsky: Deferred indefinitely. Andrews: That"s one of the reasons I love that contingency. They're fairly large is that, if there's an important issue, we've got a fairly sizeable amount of money to do something with. Schroers: And I do like the basic concept of this trail but I think that that's really a. ..since it doesn't really go anywhere except around in a circle. I just really don't see it being utilized by a large number of people. If it was connecting something, it would be different but it's n01 so I guess I don't have a problem deferring it. I really think that that'~ a luxury and not as much of a necessity. Koubsky: As far now Randy too, it is grubbed out. You can go in there an( walk around. Erickson: You can walk it now? It's just not bituminous? Schroers: It's kind of like mountain bike trails now. Lash: Well would it be like walking around Chan Pond Park? e Schroers: More dirt I think. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 40 Hoffman: And did your recommendation include the deletion of the $2,00~( on the repair of the platform? Andrews: I did not. I feel that we cannot responsibly defer that. Schroers: Okay. So that is a motion. Do we have a second on that? Koubsky: I'll second that. Andrews moved, Koubsky seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend that the City Council approve the 1993 Park Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program amended as follows: To contribute $8,000.00 towards City Center for 1993 with an additional $8,000.00 for each of the following two years, allocate $1,000.00 for Eagle Scout projects, and put $9,500.00 into a contingency fund. All voted in favor and the motion carried. FALL RECREATION PROGRAM SCHEDULE. Lash: Chairman Schroers and Commission members. The fall recreation program update which is quite exciting, will be brought to you by Jerry an< Dawn. Ruegemer: Like Todd said, in looking at our 1992 fall newsletter that ~ come out I feel is one of our most popular and most exciting newsletter~ recreation. ..to offer that our department has seen in a number of years. There's the programs that effect virtually every age group in our city. WE do have programs for preschool kids, elementary kids, teens...and so forth The adult activities and then senior activities. So it appears that we arE touching every section of population in our city. What we're going to do is briefly kind of go through each age category as it appears on the memo itself. If there's any questions going through the memo, just please feel free to stop and ask away. I'd be more than happy to answer those for you Starting with our Chanhassen Kids Club. In the past we've talked to various groups in our district and it appeared to me that there was a need for an after school program. This summer Dawn and I have both talked about it throughout the summer and...take the opportunity to act on that notion and try to offer a program for after school. That after school program will be on Mondays and Fridays when school is in session. It would be... That will be daily occurring from 3:30 to 5:30 to 6:00 is what we're putting in... That would be at the elementary school...having the gym available for kids who'd like to play basketball or do other types of activities in there. Different special events. We will be...occasionally field trips and going to...so it will really be kind of a socialization program verus traditional education... Andrews: Is this a fee for service program or no charge program? Ruegemer: It is a fee. It's a self supporting program. Lash: What is the fee, do you know? e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 41 e Ruegemer: The fee, we can break it down per qua, I. ..per quarter...which is approximatley $200.00. With a 10% discount on (he second child. For one child it's approximately $25.00 per week and for the second child is approximately $22.50. Schroers: Have you tested the waters to get some idea of how much participation you may generate in this program? Ruegemer: Just talking to different, Helen...over at Chan Elementary and other various groups, it sounds like they've been getting numerous request~ for at least the past couple of years to. ..additional pressure put on them to offer an after school type of a program. Lash: I think you are going to be swamped. Do you have a limit of how many kids you can take? Ruegemer: We're going to keep it somewhat smaller at first with a max of 30 kids. And keep a waiting list and wait for any additional requests after that, we'll certainly add on the requests. Lash: So it's going to be first come, first serve? Ruegemer: Correct. Lash: Will you accept part time people? ~ Ruegemer: We had looked at a couple different ways of doing it. Either the way we're going to be doing it is pay in full. For a full quarter at i time. We also had explored the possibility of doing, the possibility of a 10 day pass throughout the quarter which needs to be paid. Whatever... ha~ to have a punch card. Where he can drop in whenever they choose to. We also looked at doing a.. .weighing all the pros and cons, we decided to go with, for at the present time to go with the straight fee, 5 days a week. Lash: So that would discourage part time? Ruegemer: We don't want to discourage any interest by any means but this is the way we're going to try it right now. If there appears to be the need, after doing maybe a drop-in or a punch card type of system, we'll certainly address that. Lash: And then what facilities at the school are available for your use besides the gym? Ruegemer: Basically the gym. Lash: The big gym? Ruegemer: Right. We'll be meeting with Helen...Dawn and myself on Friday morning.. . ~ Lash: And then who is going to be supervising? Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 43 ~ Lash: Are we talking about high school kids? 8erg: No middle school kids specifically. Ruegemer: Again that would be in the middle school... Berg: It won't be the high school. Well, maybe at night but not very often at night. Hoffman: Jerry does act as the liason between the Chanhassen Athletic Association and the city so he would not program to conflict that association and he probably has some knowledge on the middle school but I would think the elementary school and the local athletic association would find it hard to give up space at the school for the middle school at the elementary school site. Space is tight, there's no question. Lash: I think it sounds great. I think you'll be flooded with calls. Hoffman: The calls on this program, the day after the brochure came out, exceeded by far any other program. Lash: Are you already full? e Ruegemer: We are currently taking registration. Okay, then just continuing on. There's a continuation of the summer trips that were offered for our teens in our area. We will be coordinating, or Dawn will be coordinating the Jr. High jaunts as trips just operative to the middle school kids and other area kids that are of that age or in that age category, an opportunity to go on these trips. To socialize with their friends so the trips are listed in order right here. They would be starting in September and concluding in December. We felt there was a nee( for teen programming... Andrews: A comment. This comes directly from my wife, but I think it's probably relevant to those who live in Chanhassen and are in the Minnetonkc schools. It would be really appreciated if you're publicizing in Chaska schools, I think you should publicize in Minnetonka schools that are effected. I mean I know you're not hitting the target quite the same way but I noticed a lot of the other events are planned on holiday days or special days off during the school year are Chaska school days. They don'1 match up with Minnetonka. A comment my wife made was, well how come we can't, why can't we get our opportunity. I agree. I mean I pay taxes and I feel like in a lot of cases I feel sort of like the Minnetonka school district people are kind of ignored when it comes to programming. There's not the same effort given to communication and recruitment or generation 01 enthusiasm. Lemme: We'll definitely for the fall trips through the Jr. High will be publicized in the Minnetonka Intermediate School. Andrews: I'd appreciate it. Well if you put up flyers too. ,e Lemme: We plan on doing that. Putting out a flyer because we want to promote these as much as possible. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 44 Andrews: We have to and appreciate that, thanks. e Lash: Do you feel that there would be a lot of kids in the Minnetonka district who don't live in Chanhassen who would want to participate in these? Andrews: I think the kids would create interest and I'm not sure we can accommodate that, and then we can't. Lash: That would be my fear. Andrews: But I still think you can't say well then let's not tell them about it because that's not fair either. Lash: But it's all in the paper. It's in the mailouts. It's in a lot of those things but if you send it home to all of the kids in the Minnetonka district and then all of a sudden 1,000 call. Andrews: You can just put up a notice in the school. That would be helpful. Lemme: They've been real good about accepting our flyers and that. Andrews: I know it creates a confusing situation when you've got people that are across city lines. I know like things are more publicized he~l.il Chanhassen Elementary than they ever were at Clear Springs or Grovelan~ well I think Groveland's totally Minnetonka but I know Clear Springs was a mixed district school. Schroers: Would it be distasteful to put on the brochure, even though it'! in the Minnetonka School District, Chanhassen resident teens. Attention Chanhassen resident teens and just kind of specify towards the people who live in Chanhassen. Andrews: I don't think that's distasteful at all. No, I don't think it i! because I think it's being sponsored by Chanhassen Park and Ree to put Chanhassen residents. That's who your target is. Lemme: Well we are also doing this in conjunction with Chaska Park and Recreation too, although we are having two pick-up sites. One is at the Chanhassen City Hall and one is at the Chaska Community Center. So certainly we want to get these going. We want these to be successful. We want to hit those junior high kids who don't have, and most of these trips do not start right after school so hopefully it wouldn't be'a transportation problem if they were a Minnetonka person coming to the City Hall to pick up the bus. Andrews: There's a lot more of them up there now with all the Lundgren development up there. Hoffman: To address that, the Department has always had the same conce~.. We've not simply forgot about the Minnetonka folks. We struggle with t~J situation. The first thing I did when I-came here as a programmer was to .~ pin map where our participants are coming from and they came essentially 1 e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 45 from the Chaska school district. That did not however mean that we drop off publicizing information in Minnetonka. We do so very well at the elementary age level because Minnewashta and Excelsior elementary schools will allow you to distribute all flyers to those schools. Clear Springs will not. They do not send a Wednesday or Tuesday packet. They will simply allow you to put it up in the flyer rack at the front of the school So that is the deficiency. But now we are moving forward with the middle school and the high school age folks that are up in that area and we share the Commissioner Andrews' feelings in that regard. Andrews: Good. We appreciate it. Lash: And then when is registration due for these things? Lemme: I believe it's specified in the newsletter. If not, really up until the trip is full. If 3 days before these trips are, I think basically on Thursdays. If the trips are not full by I'd say Tuesday, we probably would cancel but we'll take registrations up until. Ruegemer: Continuing on. Continuing the middle school, teen night out. They were a very popular program last year and that will continue again next year and we have 3 teen nights out planned at the present time. One in October, one in December and one in January. So we'll continue those with the same type of activities as last year with a guest OJ, concessions available, prize give aways, dancing and gym activities, swimming. Those types of activities so it will be fun for the kids. Lash: Are you coordinating, I know you were asked to help with the middle school parties too. Did you get sucked into doing that? Ruegemer: No, we didn't. Lash: So are these kind of coordinated with the school parties so they're not? Ruegemer: Yeah, we had ~o address those concerns before we planned the dates. I also tried to work around...school parties as well as sporting events that it would conflict with. Try to keep them on neutral nights... with our special events for the fall. We have Oktoberfest coming up September 25th. That will be right here in the lower parking lot. That will include live entertainment, Rotary Bingo, concessions by the Lion's, hot air balloons display and also...our annual Halloween party. That will be on Friday night, October 30th over at the elementary school from 6:00 tc 8:00. Also, in December we'll be having breakfast with Santa...include on here will be the tree lighting ceremony that Monday after. We'll be havin~ plenty of special events coming up here and it appears... Lemme: The birthday bonanza's is a new self supporting program. We're going to run these out at the Chanhassen Senior Center. Three different options for parents, just a birthday option. We'll have three different parties. They'll be supervised by an adult staff running approximately 45 minutes of activities and then the last 45 minutes will be present opening. cake and ice cream and traditional party things. We will provide some basic necessities. As I said, supervised activities and we hope that theSE Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 46 will be accepted. I know that I was gone last week but there were sevetll calls on those already. Hoffman: Again, self supporting. If you note, I believe most of these, i~ there's any exceptions that are non self supporting, all of these would be self supporting. Lash: That's a great idea too. Andrews: I think it's exciting to see all these new programs. Lots of ideas. I think it's really creative. Lash: And it's the kind of things that people are just dying for. Everybody hates to have those birthday parties at your house. Hoffman: It fits the demographics of Chanhassen for sure. Ruegemer: Yeah, we feel this will be very positive... Saturday youth ope~ gym will be available from 1:00 to 4:00 in the afternoon... Again, our mens 5 on 5 basketball will be starting...probably the third or fourth weel in November. ...after Thanksgiving we start with games and then our seaso' ends in March. ...games and that will be played at the middle school and the community center in Chaska. There's also an opportunity for Chanhasse' residents to participate in fall and winter volleyball... It's kind of a spin off from our spring golf classes. We will be offering fall golf lessons this year to try to accommodate the people that didn't have a t chance to participate in the spring golf lessons. As of today, they wi be starting next week. Next Tuesday and we have Tuesday classes will run. We have enough registrations...at the present time so there is interest in also the fall golf lessons and they will be offered out at Swings... That will be taught by a very experienced golf... Lemme: A couple extra added special events. 3ust some one day, a couple hour little things. The Halloween mask making and the my pale the pumpkin which is just a chance for parents and their children to come and carve an< decorate pumpkins. We'll also have some games and activities and some snacks of course. And everyone will get a pumpkin for that. 3erry touchec on the Halloween party and the hayride. Anything else you want to say about the hayride? A couple other new craft classes we're going to try. Dabble, dibble and doodle and make it naturally. Make it naturally did not have the description. That's actually a description for a class entitled tumbleweeds and that's another parent taught class and we just, we ran a 3 year old class this summer called summer sensations and it was real popular. It filled up and we thought, let's try...and make it naturally and the descriptions not on there. It's a nature craft, arts and crafts class and that goes for 6 weeks. ...exercise is also a fitness class formerly titled rockin and rolling I believe from last year. We'll add a few other things. They'll be talking on nutrition and other health topics and those are both going to be run by Chris Stone who's worked with the Park and Rec Department previously. Tiny Tot Tours is for parents and their preschoolers also to have an opportunity to visit some places. F~ parents to have a chance to socialize with other parents that have ~ preschoolers. And we've already received many registrations on the tiny tot tours. So just trying to hit, as we said, and then there's also the e e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 47 Children's Workshop. The happy holi~ay crafts. Trying to get some specia craft projects going. As we said, just trying to hit on some of the different age groups. The preschool age, the grade school ages. We're also having, I don't know if that's listed, a microwave kids in the kitche class which will be kind of an addition to the kids in the kitchen that wa run this summer. And a lot of these craft classes and the cooking classes are being run right after school as well as an option for kids just to wal over here to the Chan Elementary or the Chan Senior Center. They don't have to bus to.. .and come back. They can just stick around. Ruegemer: I don't know if you happened to notice this but our department is currently now computer registration ready...but 95% of the programs hav€ a program code on it. Either that being a Y or an A. That is separated b) youth and adult programs. We'll be...descriptions on the computer for eac~ class. When the registrations do come in, it can just be...into the computer. A program is already set up and. ..other information that's pertinent to our overall success with the program. And also with the program with registration, we will be training the receptionist to take those.. .and entered in on a daily basis... Schroers: Very ambitious agenda and I think you guys deserve a lot of credit for putting that all together, especially with the success we've experienced in the past and the anticipated success with your new program. You guys have done a great job. Thanks a lot. JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL. SEPTEMBER LAKE ANN PARK PICNIC AND RECREATIONAL SHELTER. Hoffman: Chairman Schroers and Commission members. The City Council meeting ran late as well last evening. I was not able to address this wit~ them. I will do that administratively and through members of the City Council and the Mayor individually and then distribute information via mail back to the commission members informing them of that chosen date for that meeting. Lash: That was supposed to be at the shelter anyway wasn't it~ Hoffman: Correct. It was supposed to be at the shelter in August but now we'll look at the shelter in September. Lash: What was the point of it anyway? Did we have a point other than we were just going to meet at the shelter? Hoffman: The Council wishes to meet with all the commissions on an annual basis and that would be a chance to discuss mutual concerns. Schroers: Okay, thanks Todd. Lash: So you're saying we'll be having two meetings in September? Hoffman: Potentially would have two meetings in September if the Council chooses a date other than the regularly scheduled commission meeting. Wit~ the lengths of your agendas lately, I wo~ld doubt we could, we'd have to meet at 5:30 and get our Joint meeting done and then come back to do the, Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 48 reconvene and get the business of the Park Commission finished. e Schroers: Okay, thanks: ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS: PARK NEEDS SURVEY. SUMMARIZE RESULTS. Hoffman: The summary results of the park needs survey will be distributed through the, I believe the September 3rd edition of the Chanhassen Villager. Question 1 as you recall dealt with the overall feeling of the park and recreation department and how that meets the needs. Thankfully a high percentage is satisfied or indifferent and those two ~omprised approximately 75% of the results. Bandimere did take a negative response from the development of Bandimere from the results of the survey. I think it is as a result of the continuing tax revolt in our community and many others that folks are not prepared to invest their money in additional youth athletic complex in the city. You'll see again, this is simply a summary. You'll see a detailed report which is, will includes specific comments which approximately, what percentage replied with specific comments? 40? 51% and then those respondents that indicated they would like a personal phone call will be contacted by myself. In regard to the ranking of the recreational facilities, trails were three fold above anything else. Underneath that category, the preservation of natural land~ for future park use came in second. After that city center parks scored very highly. Everything else ran an inconsistent basis and. when the surve~ results are distributed to you in your next packet, you will notice tha~ Looking on downward to the other issues which were addressed. Essentia~ that was it for crucial information. Then we went into age respondents an< those types of things and that's all broken out as well. Schroers: Good, thanks. Hoffman: Additional administrative presentations would be the issue of mosquito control. That report was given to the City Council last night. The length of discussion was minimal. Probably taking about a half hour o. last night's agenda. Dr. Shogren. who was never present at one of the commission's meeting was there to speak on behalf of Mosquito Control. No other representatives were there. That may be due to my comments in my report to the Council that Mosquito Control showed up in force. I just stated that as a comment. I didn't say that was wrong of Mosquito Control but they chose to be there single handedly as the director of Mosquito control. Mr. Rivkin and Mr. Singer. who is the environmental person. I don't know his technical title, for the Minneapolis Park Board was there a~ well. Environmentally he deals with environmental ~oncerns with the Minneapolis Park Board. Council addressed this fairly directly and for th( most part really didn't like mosquito control but we don't know everything about mosquito control so therefore it's better off not being there. They concurred with many of the Commission's comments that you stand before me and say it is safe. The label does not and when I see somebody cold fogging and I'm jogging in my shorts and the guy is in a moon suit and you're still telling me it's safe, I'm not sure that I quite believe that. Dr. Shogren acknowledged the public outcry which is forthcoming and the... mounting concern over mosquito control. Did not deny that. However, a'" large portion of their budget is taken up by adult mosquito control or cole fogging. So they're cutting back in that regard. They did discuss the Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 49 . encephalitis issue and again, I think the percentage is less than 1% of their budget or approximately $181,000.00 is consumed on that encephalitis program. So again the concern and the hype about encephalitis control was downplayed as well. The eventual action was to concur with the recommendation by the Park Commission with much discussion centering on the possibility of even extending that to larval control. Extending that to not only city parks but throughout the entire city. Schroers: Okay, and did they go along with the one year review process on the larvacide program? Hoffman: Your review was put into a statement in concern with adulticides but they were in favor of reviewing larvacides as well. Schroers: I thought that our recommendation was to ban the adulticide and review the larvacide program on a yearly basis. Lash: No. Erickson: No. Lash: It was to continue the larvacide. To ban the adulticide and review the adulticides. Schroers: Review the adulticide. ~ Lash: In one year. At the end of next season. Sch,oers: How did I get confused on that. I made that motion didn't I? Andrews: That's probably how you got confused. Lash: I know I was confused. When I read the Minutes, I asked for it to be repeated about three times. ~ndrews: Have you heard any feed back from our contractor on Lake Ann or is there a scurry of activity now in anticipation of paying fines? Hoffman: Unfortunately the letter Commissioner Andrews is referring to is in the packet. They are not scurrying around. I would anticipate that we're going to butt heads on this issue. They from day one have requested contract extensions. From day one I was convinced that this contract time period allowed more than ample time for this contract to be completed. Have been disappointed since day one in their lack of progress. Was out there, called a site visit between the contractor, our consultant on the job, building department and myself on Monday and again they're plodding along but certainly by no means attempting to get the project done by the 28th. I will keep you updated on the events occuring after that. Andrews: Did they post a bond on this project? Performance bond. ~ Hoffman: Correct. Andrews: So we're protected. Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 50 Hoffman: We're protected. We're also having problems with B&B Underground. ..company has requested no payments be made to them. That is in regard to the utilities which were installed at Lake Ann. They have n01 paid some of their contractors. I've informed the City Attorney of this and so he's being kept abreast but you're dealing with low bid and in contractors that deal with municipal contracts, you often have problems an< unfortunately we'll have to deal with those. . Berg: Is the issue of the irrigation problem at Lake Ann come up at Council? Hoffman: Correct. That was approved by the City Council. That budget amendment. I apologize to the Commission if I've not brought that news back to you. They approved that sight unseen on a consent agenda with the report in hand and the recommendation from the Commission. I've since met with the representatives who design these systems and that will be going tl formal bid process sometime in the first part of September with construction beginning in October. The project will most assuredly lay open during the winter and be completed in the spring of 1993. Lash: What kind of impact is that going to have on the playing fields then? Hoffman: The 1993 we wrapped up and there would be some sodding which would take place. But impact would be minimal. Lash: When we were talking about mosquito control and I all of a sUdde~i~ dawned on me that I supposed that can go under the contingency. I just don't want it to be overlooked that we did the talk of the bat houses and swallow houses. ..to act on that so if we want to earmark some specifically or just keep in the back of our minds that some of the contingency should be for that or something. Hoffman: It was a part of the motion which was approved by the City Council. Schroers: I think it is nice also that the City Council, for the most part, were consistent with the way we felt on that. We look a little more unified and together than mosquito control would have made us out to be. Lash: I feel good about that too. That was such a difficult issue for us and if Council would have not gone along with our recommendation it would have not looked good for us at all. Koubsky: I don't know. We had opinions. We listened. I think it's an issue that you talk to a lot of people and you're going to get different opinions. Schroers: Well anyway, let's get this in the budget and try to move through. Hoffman: Other items of interest in the administrative section, of 4It particular interest would be the article.on the abandoned rail line. Bridges to be raised. The commission has addressed this previously. The . . . e e Park and Rec Commission Meeting August 25, 1992 - Page 51 southern railroad corridor is being looked at by Hennepin Parks as a regional rail corridor. Thus they would be the governing body doing the development, regulation, etc., etc.. That is to our benefit certainly on the financial side. It may not be to our benefit on the control side over useage, etc.. Those types of things. ynfortunately, there's a letter in there from Jerry Johnson of the ONR informing the city that we would not b€ funded for the aeration system which means we made a $4,000.00 investment to run electricity down there and we don't be able to take advantage of that in 1993. Winter of and we may be subject to winter kill. The two letters from two Dave Tillman's and Mr. and Mrs. Patrick McGrath are off beat of the issue of tree cutting at Carver Beach and if you see the notes there from, to Mr. McGrath, he had some differing opinions on what potentially should be his rights in that regard. Took offense to the letter and those issues were addressed with him on the phone. Schroers: Very good. Anything else? Andrews moved, Berg seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried. The meeting was adjourned. Submitted by Todd Hoffman Park and Rec Coordinator Prepared by Nann Opheim ,,' . t- Z ~ (.) ::i Q.. a.. <t e ~ 3 I.&J t- - (I) e ~ -- CITY 0 F CHANHASSEN PRC DATE: 9/22/92 CC DATE: HOFFMAN:k STAFF REPORT PROPOSAL: Concept Review for an Office/lndustrial Planned Unit Development on 178 Acres of Property Zoned A2, Agricultural Estate LOCATION: The Southeast Quadrant of Highways 5 and 41 and the Northwest Quadrant of West 82nd Street and Highway 41 APPLICANT: Opus Corporation 800 Opus Center 9900 Bren Road East Minnetonka, MN 55343-9600 PRESENT ZONING: A2, Agricultural Estate District ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: N .. A2, Agricultural S - City of Chaska (Industrial) E - A2, Agricultural . W - A2, Agricultural Estate and U of M Landscape Arboretum COMPREHENSIVE PLAN: The City's Comprehensive Plan identifies this area of the.city as parkland deficient. Specifically, the plan labels the area which encompasses this proposed development as park deficiency zone 7. The acquisition of a significant park area which incorporates as many of the natural features offered by this site, i.e. tree cover, topographic diversity, developable land, vistas, and wetland areas is highly desirable. The applicant, as a part of their narrative, has currently identified slightly less than 30 acres of property a~ parkland. The vast majority of this land, however, is wetland. The area would also include a holding pond which is necessary to mitigate the filling of wetlands on the site, and for storm water retention. The open space areas identified on the current sketch plan are comprised of two separate parcels--Lot <" Gateway West Business Park September 22, 1992 Page 2 e 17 and Lot 18 being 5.9 and 24 acres in size, respectively. It is uncontested that areas such as those being identified as park are beneficial. However, labeling these areas as park is not necessary to protect the wetlands found here. No credit of park fees are given for the dedication of wetlands as public space areas as a part of a development proposal. The wooded and upland areas of Lot 18 would earn the applicant partial credit of park fees. Excluding any park fee credits, this proposal would generate a minimum of $350,000 is park fee revenues. The city's standard for a community park calls for a site of 25 to 50 acres which affords natural features of varied physiographic interest A community park is an area of natural and/or ornamental quality for outdoor recreation such as walking, viewing, sitting, picnicking, and may incorporate areas for field and court games. A proximity to community facilities and resources is also important The concept plan submitted takes the first steps in creating an area offering these qualities. Just as the city recognizes the need for well planned recreational park and open space amenities, I believe the applicant does as well. Recommendation It is recommended that the Park and Recreation Commission request the applicant to provide, as a part of their proposal, a community park site. This site is to include sufficient land of suitable character and topography to include natural vistas, affording sufficient area for viewing and picnicking, a designated 8 ft. wide bituminous trail loop with multiple access points connecting e the wooded and upland portions of the site, with picnicking and viewing areas and the street plan and sidewalks, sufficient area for the possible construction of two baUfields with 300 ft. fences, a basketball court, a double tennis court, and sufficient upland areas to buffer these amenities. This will require the designation of considerable more park property than called out on the sketch plan. However, it is desirable that all parkland components be contiguous. This park shall also maintain considerable road frontage to afford visible impact as well as allowing for sufficient ingress/egress. COMPREHENSIVE TRAll.. PLAN The Comprehensive Trail Plan calls for the location of 8 ft. wide bituminous off-street trails on the north and west perimeters of the main site. The northern boundary being State Highway 5 and the western boundary being State Highway 41. We can anticipate that the section of trail to the north will be completed in conjunction with the next phase of construction on Highway 5. This trail, when constructed, will lie on the north side of the highway. In regard to Highway 41, the applicant has not incorporated into their sketch plan the section of trail identified here in the City's Comprehensive Trail Plan. A representative of the applicant has voiced their desire to delay the planning of this trail until the state improves Highway 41. Dependant upon the likelihood of the state doing so, and the proposed time frame, the city may concur with this position. However, in the realm of highway improvement time tables, better safe than on the back burner. This section will, at its south terminus, be an important link with Chaska's trail system. Internal pedestrian traffic routes (sidewalks) are necessary as a part of this plan and will e e e e Gateway West Business Park Septeml er 22, 1992 Page 3 be addressed by the Planning Department and Commission. The minimum amount of revenue this development would generate in trail fees upon completion, excluding any credits, is $114,000. Recommendation It is recommended that the Park and Recreation Commission request the applicant to incorporate into their proposal and plan for the construction of an 8 ft. wide bituminous trail along the east side of State Highway 41 beginning at State Highway 5 and extending south to West 82nd Street. This construction is to be completed by the applicant in accordance with the city's standard specifications in regard to trails. In consideration for this construction, trail fees will be reduced accordingly. Upon the Commission's requests being incorporated into the Gateway West Business Park Plan, the Park and Recreation Commission will be presented an amended plan. Attachments Vicinity Map Sketch Plans Applicant's Narrative Park Deficiency Map Trail Plan Map ~D J}DN STA AY LJ ~ VICINITY MAP C Ii\' BoRGElt ~ I - I LYMAN BLVD. I I I 0 0 CD N , 0 (". 0 (j 0 0 0 ~ c 0 0 0 0 0 ~ ." .ti 0 (J) If') If') N ", It) ." N ~~..~ F,~__..~,.''''''''''''''~- -....---".... I o o .... N 8700-, , .8800- \ ~ ~ @ ~ ~ 0.. J 4 (C.R.18l z ~ ill 1ft -4 -4 ::v !J 0 ~ ~ ~ ; < r- . 1ft ~ r- ~ III :;; '" ~tll'- . , - , "~~. -; o ..ct o ! z i i o . m ~ ~ " ,.. )> z : ; c. i .' t = : " .. ... . . . ~ ; : c . , I II ..::r::;:-. 11I11I1111111I{1I1~1'1"- 111\. . I I I . ; ; ;.; I I I I I I I I . I I . 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Minnesota 55440.0150 Fax 612-936-4529 e September 8, 1992 Mr. Paul Krauss Planning Director City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 Re: Gateway West Business Park Dear Mr. Krauss: e On behalf of the Gateway Partners Limited Partnership, Opus Corporation is pleased to submit the enclosed PUD Concept Plan for the Gateway West Business Park at the intersection of Highways 5 & 41 in the city of Chanhassen. The subject property covered by the PUD Concept Plan is the property of approximately 150 acres located in the southeast quadrant of Highways 5 & 41 as well as the land located in the northwest quadrant of West 82nd Street and Highway 41, consisting of approximately 28 acres. The property currently is utilized for agricultural purposes. It consists primarily of rolling farmland with significant wetlands along the eastern boundary of the easterly parcel and another wetland area on the westerly parcel. e Gateway West Business Park envisions the development of a quality mixed use business center. It will contain approximately 960,000 square feet of total development including approximately 937,000 square feet of office, warehouse and manufacturing space and 23,000 square feet of commercial development to support the businesses locating in the park. In addition, 29 acres in the northwest part of the park has been reserved for a special mixed use development that will retlect the quality and standards consistent with the high visibility of this site and the objectives of the city of Chanhassen. At this time, the euct nature of the land use is not known but could include institutional, educational, office, industrial, or commercial uses. We request that a mixed use land use designation be given to the property at this time so that the highest and best use for the property can be found. Park covenants will be developed to assure quality development. The plan respects the natural features of the site to the utmost extent possible. The plan has been developed in order to create a unique business park setting, which consolidates the wetland areas into park areas for preservation and serve as focal points for the development. The important wooded areas to the south and east are also preserved. The internal circulation for the park is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan by providing a parkway like extension of the Highway 5 fron~ge road, connecting to the existing Opus Corporation is an affiliate of the Opus group of companies - Architects. Contractors. Developers Austin. Chicago. Dallas. Denver. Houston. Milwaukee. Minneapolis. Pensacola. Phoenix. Seanle. Tampa G OPUS. Mr. '?aul Krauss September 8, 1992 Page 2 e West 82nd Street at the Chanhassen/Chaska border. Only one major intersection is provided with Highway S and another with Highway 41 in order to provide access into the park. We are requesting that improvements be made to Highway 41 to lower the elevation of the roadway which will allow for safer inaress and esress into the site. Utility service for the development is requested as part of Phase n of the Upper Bluff Creek District sanitary sewer and water main improvements. It is anticipated that interim services can be provided to the southerly portion of the site through a cooperative agreement with the city of Chaska. A site for a future water tower has been incorporated into the pIan to be located along Highway 41. We are requesting Planning Commission and City Council approval of the Gateway West Business Park PUD Concept Plan and rezoning as the first step in the governmental approval process for this project. This approval will be followed by a request for preliminary plat, approval of an Environmental Assessment Worksheet, Tax Increment Financing, and the extension of utility service. We request that you aCcept the enclosed application for sketch plan review and rezoning for consideration on the October 7, 1992 Planning Commission meeting. Please call me if you have any questions or require any additional information regarding our application. Thank e you for consideration of our request. Sincerely, .'/ . / / ,--~ I/t~- LC/z.- 16 ~i:z.- Michele Foster Director Real Estate Development MF /krn cc: Paul Steiner/Steiner Development, Inc. John Uban/Dahlgren, Shardlow" Uban .:fOe? ~~ ~t/~ # ,,??~f -5"-5"1t?/# e e DEVELOPMENT NARRATIVE GATEWAY WEST BUSINESS PARK CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA PUD CONCEPT PLAN Property Description The total property consists of approximately 178 acres, of which 150 acres are south of Highway 5 and east of State Highway 41. The westerly parcel is 28 acres located directly west of Highway 41 and north of 82nd Street. The property is under cultivation with one farm homestead along Highway S. Approximately 22 acres of the land has been mapped u wetlands by the City of Chanhassen. Ten acres of upland woods consisting of maple, buswood, and oak are located in the southeast comer of the ISO-acre parcel. The property has about 1/2 mile of frontage along Highway S, 3/4 mile of frontage along Highway 41, and approximately 1/2 mile of frontage along 82nd Street. Wetlands Twenty-two acres of wetlands have been mapped on the property and are shown on the Existing Conditions map. The wetlands are as follows: e a-16-4(2) a-16-7(1) a-16-7(2) a-16-7(3) a-16-7(4) a-16-6(I) a-16-1(2) a-16-2(1) 4.7 acres 7.2 acres .2 acres 2.5 acres .4 acres .2 acres 6.S acres .4 acres e The wetlands are found primarily on the eastern edge of the property, adjacent to the larger wetland and drainage system that continues to the east. The area to the east is also covered with vegetation consisting of primarily boxelder, willow and green ash. These wetlands are proposed to be preserved with the preservation of the adjacent upland hardwoods. The unique character of this area forms a natural preserve suitable for public park purposes. . A portion of A-I6-4(2) wetland in the northeast comer of the site needs to be filled for roadway purposes. The road is the proposed east-west collector frontage road that needs to traverse the wetland area to the east to complete the City's comprehensive transportation plan. Approximately, an acre would be filled depending on final plans. Also, a small wetland A-l~(I) on the southern edge of the property also needs to be filled for the alignment of the collector. To mitigate the filling of these wetlands, we are proposing a wetland and pond to be established directly adjacent to A-I6-7(1) wetland and to be part of the proposed park system along the eastern edge of the property. The mitigation is proposed to be at least 2:1. Wetland A-I6-2(1), which is located at the southeast comer of the intersection of Highways 41 and 5, is proposed to remain the same. It is quite possible that the Highway Department may need to amend this wetland as future highway improvements are made. Gateway West Business Park Narrative 4 September 1992 Page 2 Wetlanc A-I6-1(2) runs north and south through the property west of Highway 41. This has been ... described by the City's wetland specialists as very marginal and would need enhancement to bring it ., back to a wetland condition. We propose to fill the southern portion of the wetland and create an enhanced wetland on the remainder. A portion of this wetland was filled in the past with the construction of 82nd Street in preparation for development to the south. The design of the eventual storm sewer system will include ponding for the purposes of catching water before it enters the wetland systems. Specific wetland mitigation details will accompany the preliminary grading plan and the preliminary plat. Existin~ Land Use All of the property is presently used for agricultural purposes - the residential home site on Highway 41 is an exception. The Gateway Partners are presently negotiating with the owner to include this property in the overall development. The University of Minnesota's Landscape Arboretum is located to the west of the property. To the south is the City of Chaska and primarily Industrial land uses. The boundary between the two cities is 82nd Street. A large wetland complex running north-south from Highway S and drained by a rural drainage ditch is located to the east. County Road 117 is located east of that wetland. Undeveloped Agricultural land is located to the north of the property across Highway 5. Our concept plan shows that the proposed intersection with Highway 5 would serve the property to the north. The entrance to the north considers the location of the existing woods. The City of Chanhassen's Comprehensive Plan designates the subject property as Industrial. The e land use designation is consistent with the surrounding land uses and road system. The business park is located in a prominent area, important to both the City of Chanhassen and the City of Chaska. At the intersection of Highway 41 and 5, the City of Chanhassen has expressed concern about community image as a gateway to the City. We agree that careful consideration should be made as to the overall image of the proposed business park. Transportation Plan The City's Comprehensive Plan proposes an east-west collector road connecting 82nd Street east from Highway 41 to County Road 117 south of Highway 5. The plan also shows a north-south connector between 82nd Street and Highway S. Our road circulation plan includes all of those connections and routes as indicated in the City's plan. Eighty-Second Street serves development in Chanhassen as well as Chaska and curves to the south serving additional industrial land within the City of Chaska. It will directly serve the southern border of the proposed business park. Access to the interior road system includes one access onto Highway 5 and one access onto Highway 41. We have worked with MnDOT to confirm poipts of access. The access points have been determined to be appropriate distances from the intersection of Highways 5 and 41 to handle future traffic concerns. We are also anticipating a future safety improvement project on Highway 41 that would help eliminate the steep grade coming off of the Highways 5 and 41 intersection. MnDOT indicated that the steep grade slows truck traffic through the intersection, and a lowering of that grade would also improve overall capacity. The lowering of Highway 41 through the area would improve overall ... circulation and would better match the grades of future development in the business park. This ., Gateway West Business Park Narrative 4 September 1992 Page 3 . work C:1ll be done in conjunction with the City's future watermain and water tower project that are planned along the Highway 41 corridor. ProJ>osed Land Use The Concept Plan illustrates the road system contemplated in the City's Comprehensive Plan facilitating the development of industrial lots along the collector road while preserving the eastern edge for park and natural area. The road system is developed to create T-intersections, which form safe intersections for traffic. The T-intersections also focus business park visitors toward the amenities and the entrance to the park area. This entrance experience is an important part of the image of the park and is incorporated in the design of the circulation system. Part of the road entrance design includes landscape islands to define traffic movements and create an enhanced image for the park at critical points. Primary entrance points will be off of Highway S and 41 with a secondary entrance off 82nd Street. The plan has developed into 22 lots, including Lots 17 and 18 for public park purposes. The park area is proposed to be approximately 30 acres in size. Lots 8, 20, and 21 are proposed to be the initial phase of support-commercial for the industrial area. These uses may include a bank, service station, restaurant, etc. e Approximately 29 acres are in Lot 1, which is proposed as mixed use to be determined at a time in the future when the business park matures. This location is very prominent in the City of Chanhassen and should be held for the best use possible. Often the temptation is to develop the best sites first, however, we believe that it is to both the developer's and the City's advantage to hold onto this site for a mixed use development that could include office, a hospital or specialized medical clinic, research center, educational facility, commercial and other uses complementary to the business park and the City of Chanhassen. Along Highway 41, Lot 4 is proposed to be the site for the City of Chanhassen's water tower. We have located the water tower next to our western entrance in anticipation that its design will be of high quality and a recognizable landmark. Overall, we anticipate the develop will consist of approximately 960,000 square feet of industrial and associated uses. A majority of the site will develop within the next 10 years, with the first phase of development beginning along 82nd Street on the southern edge of the property. The road system will be built as development moves northerly and to the east. The phasing works in unison with the installation of utilities. It is anticipated that the southern portions of the site can be served through the City of Chaska, with the remainder of the site being served with a future extension of sewer from the southeast. Amenities Amenities and the standards for development are critical to the quality of the business park. Opus has developed many such parks in the past and proposes to use similar standards and development techniques for the Gateway West Business Park. In order to integrate the business park into the natural surroundings and adjacent land uses to the east, the development plan indicates a 3o-acre public park to include wetland and wooded areas for the purpose of public enjoyment and long-term preservation. The park area would extend from the wetlands and woods along Highway S to 82nd Street. As land is developed to the east, the City can add additional land to this park preserve system. e Gateway West Business Park Narrative 4 September 1992 Page 4 The business park will be id~ntified at its major entrances with monuments and enhanced .- landsca;..ing. These areas will be designed in conjunction with the traffic islands to create a _ prominent entrance and identifiable image for the area. Details of the amenity designs will accompany the preliminary plat for each phase of development. In addition to the entrances on Highway S, Highway 41, and 8200 Street, special attention will be given to the perimeter along the highways. The perimeter plan will include groupings of plantings in recognizable blocks rather than stretched out in a linear fashion, which is the typical street treatment. The use of tree groups will enhance the road character and still provide visibility to the attractive buildings within the park area. Also, care will be given to the development of parking and loading areas so that ample screening is provided to minimi7.e the visual expanse of large parking areas lots. The perimeter plans will be completed as each area develops and based on the eventual design and reconstruction of adjacent highways. Each individual industrial site will develop according to specific site development standards that will be included in the development controls for the business park. These standards will include the design and location of entry drives and parking, buildings, signage, lighting, and site grading. The landscape treatment of each site will include boulevard plantings in public streets 6 feet from the curb. with emphasis on winter attractiveness. spring blooming, and fall colors around the building and parking lots. Perennial plantings will be encouraged in highly visible locations to add more summer beauty throughout the park. Where appropriate, native grasses may be used as part of the landscape treatment. . Architectural standards for buildings will be developed to cover building materials, utilities. screening. lighting, architectural design, loading and signage. These standards will discourage the use of outside storage. metal buildings. and other less desirable components of industrial development. e e . . I . . . City Of Chanhassen Minnesota Park Def'iciency Areas 11:::::';::'::< ....,......',. :i.1fffffttlififf: E3 Existing Park. and Service Are.. 2000 MUSA Line 1 .. , - - - ~. - - ! I I --- r e ~ - !~ , ~l , - -- :~ --I ~r - I ! i . I I 1_-1 CITY OF -~ I 0UNiASSEN ---, =-~ Trail Plan -- --j -.- 5 ---1 Walkway/Bikeway .-- 1 ...---1 Nature Trail I .... -...... , .-'l e Connection Points _. ! --- 6 -.-; - - --1 __oj j ... - ", ,.. 7 , - , , I I ~ - - - I t I ~. I - I . .. e , , , -.- , , a.a. ... '888 45 . ITEM #3 SEE PREVIOUS JOINT MEETING ATTACHMENTS e e ( -, e e e C ITV OF CHANHASSEN 4- - 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission -/I FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: September 15, 1992 SUBI: Tree Preservation Board It has been some time since the commission has addressed the issue of the formation of a Tree Preservation Board. In that interim, seven applications for this newly forming commission have been received. To more forward in this a,ea,..J am asking that the Park and Recreation Commission elect a member of the commissic>n to serve on this board. I will also be addressing the nomination of a City Council member and Planning Commission member to this board with both the City Council and Planning Commission. Upon confmning these three board members, the "at-large" applicants will be interview~ to select f011f additional members to the board. Once all members have been selected, an inaugural meeting of the board to establish an agenda and to take care of general housekeeping items, i.e. selectingfueeting times, dates, chairpersons, etc., will be set. ft ~., PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER ( TREE CIlY USA BULLETIN lor the Friends of'lree City USA BuU'tin NO' James R. Fazio, Editor , i e How to Save Trees During Construction c Life is just beller when you are sUlTOunded by trees. Bird songs fill the air adding delight to daily routine. Trees cast their sheltering shade as they moderate the temperature, quiet the noise. and clean the air. In summer. shade trees can save up to 5O'J, of a~conditioning costs. In winter. windbreaks can reduce heating bills as much as 30%. As an organization. The National Arbor Day Foundation works hard to encourage people to plant trees. However, it is equally important to save the trees that Mother Nature has invested years in growing. Saving trees during construction often requires courage by an individual- especially in communities where the common practice is simply to bulldoze everything in sight before construction begins. Of all the letters I receive hlfre at the Foundation. few inspire me more than the stories of people who battled to save trees that were to have been needlessly e ~ destroyed for a construction project. And few sadden me more than the stories of people who willfully destroy trees that could and should be saved. But saving trees during construction requires more than the right attitude. It requires the right actions. Bulletin editor Jim Fazio has prepared a concise description of the actions you need to take to ensure the health of existing trees long after the sounds of construction fade away. I hope you will put this good information to good use. Your efforts will payoff for years as you enjoy the trees you've saved. fk'~. John Rosenow Executive Director National Arbor Day Foundation Plan to Avoid Trouble e One of the toughest parts of building on a wooded lot is also the first step - deciding which trees to save and which to cut. A good rule to remember is that it is easier. cheaper and safer to remove future problems before construction begins. Here's how: Right Site, Right Trees -"'\ - Detached (' \ jr Garage ....\ \ r- -, \ I \ I \ I I I Wrong 1 e II -- Right On a plat of your property, show the location of trees that are important to you, Consider these in deciding the location of the house, garage. driveway. walks, and patio. Stake out their location for better visualization. Sometimes by changing the angle of a building or curving a walk you can preserve the essential root space of a prized tree. Know your trees, or find someone who does. This is necessary to help make the right decisions. For example. some species growing in shade may do poorly if changes result in more sunlight. Each species also differs in how it can withstand root cutting or how susceptible it is to local insects and disease. A knowledge of trees will help guide your decisions about which to remove and which to save. m e 2 .11lEE cln rS.4 BILLETI\; NO.7. jl(ational Arbor Da~' Foundation ) i ~ m :> Consider the vigor and health of existing trees. If the tips of the branches are dying on a large tree or fruiting bodies of fungus are growing on its trunk. it is probably over-mature. In general. it is best to keep only those trees that are in good health. An arborist can help you evaluate tree health. II If the existing trees make it possible, try for a good mix of ages and sizes in the stand that remains after construction. This is more visually pleasing. and reduces the impact when a tree does die. J Removals and Pnming - ~ E E Design with Nature To minimize root damage, do not alter the terrain except where absolutely necessary. Levelling, cutting and ruling: . severs roots . removes nutrient-rich topsoil . dries roots when soil depth is reduced . smothers roots when soil depth is increased . changes the natural flow of water An architect can help by: Iia' locating buildings to harmonize with the natural terrain Iia' using posts. bridges and decks to suspend parts of buildings over uneven terrain .. Iia' raising paved driveways and using similar techniques that minimize excavation Iia' Remove trees that are leaning over the site of future structures. t Iia' It is usually best to remove trees that wiD be closer than five feet from a new house. Iia' Rather than destroying all trees where Structures will be located, consider transplanting trees that are under two e inches in diameter and ten feet tall. Tree spades can move larger trees. Iia' After all trees to be saved are selected and marked with bright-color flagging, prune each one as needed. Follow the guidelines of good pruning that are available from local experts or are shown in Tree City USA Bulletins 1 and 2. Pruning wiD help trees survive the stresses of construction activities. Also, for safety, remove large limbs that will overhang structures. To allow maximum aeration and water penetration to tree roots, select walk materials other than concrete or asphalt: :...:....... ., .:.... ~ ~ ~........ . t...:.... ;....:... ~ : .":: '.: IL. ". '/ .. ..1: .~.(..~. ..~........... :......;.. f:."'.....::I.. ol'':'C f..:~:." ..' Brick Flagstone e Honeycomb Block Chips/Gravel Some Problems that Planning can Prevent Mixture of sizes & ages needed (~ Transplanting needed. Use fire-resistant species Posta and deck, rather than foundation with wan, needed 'IUI ern lJSo\ IVLLITIN No.7' National Arbor Day Foundation' 3 Avoiding Damage During Construction e As the organized chaos of building takes place, the IW'88t way to protect trees that are to be laved is to: (11 work with the builder to locate and mark with flagging and/or signs all construction roads. parking places for workers, and areas for Itorege of building materials, gravel and soil, (21 work. with utility contractors to stake out the exact locations of trenches, I ) and (31 erect physical baniers around all ....ve.. trees or, better yet, around groups of trees, near the construction activity. ........... .... ezteatl ...,... tile ........e .... . .... -ar .. .......,. ...... ....... _.....CldD.. Below the Ground A Cardinal Principle: What happens below the ground is more important than what meets the eye above ground! e SoU eo_pactioD The key to tree survival in the years following construction is protection of the roots during construction. This is probably the most insidious problem because the results of compaction cutting off air and water passages in the soil show up slowly. When barriers are not possible to keep away vehicles and foot traffic. other protective methods that can be used include: spreading several inches of wood chips; pumping concrete from the truck through conveyor pipes instead of driving over root systems; and bridging root areas with plates of steel. e Bridging to protect tree roots CbaDgiDg Grade If a grade change is unavoidable, a retaining wall can be used to protect much of the root network.. It can also lend some pleasant diversity to the landscape. New Grade .. . TIlE em' USA Ilu.mN NO.7' National Ari>or Day Foundation -_--L 8eve....g Roo" Some cutting of roots near construction is inevitable, but much is avoidable. For example. the routing of underground utilities does not have to follow a straight Une from street to house. Careful route selection can often avoid important trees. When that is not possible, tunneUng is a good way to reduce damage. To reduce trenching for foundations, posts and pUlara can be substitued for footers and walls. I . ... '. . . ' .... .. .,'," :, .. ...... " :'.,,'. ,,;' ,-4 : ., .'.: - , - , . fa' " " . '. ~ . ~' . " 0-.'. . , . .. .. '. .. . ~., ......, .' PIt and Poat Construction Original Grade Nev<' Gfade .e'''', .. . . . t,' .. ::, .. ~. 0 " "-'- . '. iI. . -. ".. .;. . - ) '.. ., . . I . OralDage ChaDge8 If teITain is altered, there will be a change in how water drains from the land. If flows are crei t ~d that . add too much moisture to a wooded site, a drainage system may be needed to maintain the previous amount of moisture (which provided the natural growing conditions for the existing trees). Similarly, existing trees along the edge of a new pond may eventually die from their roots suffocating. On sites deprived of water, inigation may be needed to maintain existing trees. Above the Ground . Breau aDd Scrape8 Even with barriers around trees, equipment sometimes breaks limbs or gouges tree trunks. Watch for damage and repair it promptly. See Tree City USA Bulletin No.2. 't_' SOU Che.latry Poisoning or otherwise altering the soil can result in weakened trees, making them more susceptible to insects and disease. In , some cases, trees can be killed outright within a few years after ' construction. To prevent adverse effects on soil chemistry: e ~ Spread heavy plastic tarp where concrete is to be mixed or sheet rock will be cut. The alkalinity of these materials can change the soU pH. ~ Read labels. Do not use wood products containing pentachloraphenol. These are deadly to roots. CCA- treated timber (greenish colorl is a safer alternative. ~ Paint brushes and tools should not be cleaned over tree roots. ~ Chemical wastes (paint thinner, etc.) should be disposed of properly and not drained on site. Local sanitary authorities can advise on recommended disposal methods. ,,~ '. Nalls Keep trees free of nails, screw eyes and other fastening devices. e Use posts, not trees, for signs, electrical wires, pulleys, etc. Communication is Essential . There are many techniques that will help save trees during construction, but this is only one part of the challenge. The key to success is communication. It begins with the propeny owner making it very clear to the architect that mature trees on the lot a~ just as important as the size of the kitchen. In fact, you may want to seek out an architect who has interest and experience designing with trees in mind. Communication continues as plans are discussed with landscape architects, arborists, foresters, extension agents or other experts. Most importantly, communication with the actual builder is essential. Many builders sympathize with the need to save trees, but often they view it as too time-consuming or otherwise costly. Still others may not know as much about tree-saving techniques as you do, so there is an education challenge. Finally. there are the dozer operators, truck drivers, painters, masons, and a small army of others who are on the site daily. While it is usually not possible to work with each one or even visit the site daily. it is possible to convince contractors and foremen that you are serious in your desire to save trees and that they need to relay this concern to their workers. 11lEE em' USA IlumN No.7' National Arbor Day Foundation' 5 , e To Save aTree... When this house was recently constructed, the 3o-year- old pin oak directly adjacent to it was kept vigorously healthy, a result of good planning and communications. These are the steps that were taken: . The houS+ was designed so that a terrace on piers was located n,ar the tree, not a wall requiring a foundation and footiijgs. . An arbori~t thinned the tree to reduce the leaf surface, compens4ting for root loss during construction. . As much pf the tree's root zone as possible was fenced off to minim~ the compaction of the roots by construction equipment and workers. . The pier lit the comer of the terrace nearest the tree was carefully located between major roots so they were not severed. I . Fol1owin~ construction the soil in the root zone was aerated br an arborist injecting pressurized water. . A fertilizer high in phosphorus was applied to stimulate root gro\\f1:h. A beautif~l, healthy, mature tree shading a new house is the result. e A Word about A Water, Bugs and ., Disease Despite your best efforts, trees i, construction areas will suffer some degree of stress. Unfortunately, trees under stess fall victim more easily to insect and disease attacks. A good way to help your trees stay healthy is to provide adequate water during dry spells both during construction and! aftelWards. Soil should be moistened to a depth of approximately 12-18 inches. A good ,rule of thumb is to slowly apply at least one inch of water per week over the entire a~ beneath the tree's branches. Inspect your trees regularly and iconsult an expert if insect or disease damage begins to appear. e 6 .1UE em' USA IlUETIN No.7. National Arbor Day Foundation Keep Your Property Fire Safe - In all regions oftheicountry, homes in wooded areas are destroyed each year by wildfires. ,Keep your home and neighborhood safe by: . breaking up solid ~as of evergreens. . uking nursery profelwonals about fire-resistant shrubs to use in landscaping . keeping trees well-watered, regularly pruned and in healthy condition . preventing build-up Of leaves and old branches . making sure your rojads and bridges allow access for heavy fire equipment . and, of course . . . think! Prevent forest fll'es. For more informatio~ about fi~safe construction in wooded areas, write for a copy of ~ildfire Strikes Home (National Fire Protection _ Assoc., Fire PreventiPn Division, Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02269.) \ Construction and the Urban Forestry Program c In comn I mities where the urban or suburban forest is endangered by building projects, protection of existing trees DOrdinances Many communities have found it necessary to regulate the development of private property in order to protect the public-asset value of trees. This will be CO'IIeI'ed in more detail in a future issue of Tree City UM Bulletin. However, there are alternatives to legal restrictions, and in moat cases the benefits from enlightened private enterprise pay higher dividends to the community. m Education ( Professionals in urban forestry are usually in a good position to provide the education necessary to saw trees during construction, or at least to begin the chain reaction. In this procell, there are several distinct audiences to reach, each needing a different approach. For example: Homeowners Whether for dO-it-yourself projects or planning. new home, homeowners need to be made aware of the benefits provided by mature trees and how to protect thele &alets. The owner is in the catbird seat when it comes to woddng with builders, but he or she needs to know the available options. Architects Some architects specialize in designing with nature, but to others the potentials need to be pointed out. Architects not only have the opponunity to prevent many kinds of tree problems for their clients, they can also enhance their firm's reputation by demonstrating a sensitivity toward trees on wooded lots. Developers/Builders Once a developer or builder undel'lltands the concept of saving trees, it has been estimated that he or she can add 3-7 percent to sale prices - and sometimes even ..won labor costs by clearing less land. However, more is required than mnply not cutting down trees. Knowledge of the long.term effects of each activity is needed, and how to avoid negative Impacts. City Employees Sewer and utility workers, sidewalk crews and engineers need to understand the damage that trenching can do. Without their respect for roots, aU other efforts can come to naught. Others Realtors, planning and zoning boards and others need to be made aware that wooded property is more appeaJin&, offers a higher standard of living. and commands higher re-Nle prices than similar property that baa been denuded during construction. In all cases, copies of this bulletin may ler\le as a good starting point. Encouraging all parties to eeek the assistance of urban foresters and arborista btifore construction beJins would also be a valuable lIervice. , deleMlS high priority in the urban forestry program. There are three primary patha to action: m Public Action Actions do spealt louder than words and they are a good way to get public attention. Saving trees during construction must include the projects of government. Whether it is widening a street or building a new oftice complex, an urban forestry program can guide the way to saving trees and set a good example for others to follow. Some model projects include: In ~ne, N~ Hampshire, trees were saved during downtown renovation by moving 7- to 8-inch maples to another part of town. then re-planting some on site when eonatrucUon wu ended. In addition to saving trees, a benefit was that the older trees lent variety to the sizes in the revitaJiz.ed downtown area. In nearby Durham, N~ Hampshire, the JocaJ tree warden leized upon ao opportunity to save trees during the development of a shopping maiL The warden convinced the developer to give the town funds equivalent to the costs of tree removal. Using this money, the town was able to have the trees moved to public property rather than destroyed. In Fort Collins, Colorado, old-aged cottonwoods were 8par8d during improvement of an arterial highway by redesigning the bicycle lane. Rather than adhering to the straight-line design, some CUr\leS in the bicycle lane were added and it now swings away from the road and behind the trees. Widening the lane at its CUr\leS added some cost to the project. but large trees atiU grace that leCtion of the city. Elaewhere in Fort CoUina, the planning aod zoning board blocked dewlopment of a 15-acre shopping mall because no way could be found to preaeMl a small creek and the trees on ita banks. The stalemate was broken when a city councilman IlIgg8sted saving as many of the trees as pouible and paying the city a BUm of money to be used toward preserving open apace ell8where. In ..ving trees during construction, the right action begins with awareness of the values of large trees and a "can fJd' attitude. The t'eSuJt is a better community for everyone! TREE em USA nEE em' L'SA 1l1.l.ETlN No.7. National Arbor Day foundalion . 7 Videos Show \ Tree-Saving . Techniques I Two video tapes which were produced by the International Society of Arboriculture lISAI show you the things you should do - such as fencing shown in this photo - and not do to protect trees in or near construction projects. The videos are described below. Other Sources of Infonnation Tree Cit). L'S4 Bulletin will inform readers of helpful, up-to-date publications l\'hich provide more depth or that are readily available for communit). distr'ibution. The editor welcomes sample copies to consider for inclusion in future editions. AUDIO-\'18UAL8 Two useful videotapes are available for self-study, or to show at meetings of builder!;. developers, architects, planning and wning boards, tree commissions. neighborhood associations, civic groups and others who can make a difference. Both tapes are VHS '/z" and can be purchased for 525 each Contact: International Society of Arboriculture PO Box 908 Urbana. IL 61801 -Effects ofConslruction Damage to Trees on wooded Lots" ITape 11 The purpose of this video is to create an awareness that trees are easily damaged during construction, and why. Examples are shown, including some techniques for prevention. 115 min.) "Avoidance of Construction Damage to Trees on Wooded Lots" This is an interesting and comprehensive overview of how developers, builders. landscape architects, arborists and homeowners need to work together to avoid damage to existing trees on a building lot. Testimonials and examples make this a very effective tape. (22'/z min.) e REPRllWTS The following reprints from the American Forests Home Workbook Series were written by urban forester Gary Moll and are available free from: American Forestry Association PO Box 2000 Washington. DC 20013 "Creative Construction lOr, How the do-it-yourselfer can avoid killing trees)" "How to Select a Wooded Homesite" PaMs I 4< 11 BOOKLET "Protecting Trees When Building on Forested Land" This excellent. 12-page. full color booklet is especially applicable in California and the west coast. It includes discussions of insect and disease threats that should be considered when building on a wooded lot. Copies are for sale at 51.25 each; 20% discount for 10-49; 25% discount for 50 to more. Add 15% of total for shipping/handling. Order from: ANR Publications University of California 6701 San Pablo Ave. Oakland, Ca 94608-1239 e 10 order additional Bulletin copieS...Friends of Tree City USA members may obtain a single copy of any Tree City USA Bulletin free of cost. Quantities of any issue are available at 25 for 56.25 or 500 for 5100. To order; specify the issue number and quantity. and make your check payable to: The National Arbor Day Foundation. 100 Arbor Avenue, Nebraska City. NE 68410. The Bulletins available are: . No.1 How to Prune Young Shade Trees . No.2 When a Storm Strikes . No.3 Resolving Tree-Sidewalk Conflicts . No.4 The Right Tree in the Right Place . No.5 Living with Urban Soils . No.6 How to Hire an Arborist . No.7 How to Save Trees During Construction To join the Friends of Tree Ci~' USA...to receive a subscription to the Tree City USA Bulletin...and to become more involved in the urban forestn' movement in vour town and throughout America. send a 510 dues-donation to Friends of Tree City USA. National Arbor Da\' Foundation. 100 Arbor Avenue. Nebraska Cit\'. NE 68410. Make your check payable to National Arbor Day Foundatio"n. Tree City USA Bulletin iC 1989 National Arbor Day Foundation. John E. Rosenow. publisher; James R. Fazio. editor; Gerreld L. Pulsipher. graphic design: Gene W. Grey. William P. Knlidenier. James J. Nighswonger. technical review committee. Although copyright is vested with the Foundation. permission is hereby granted for the contents of this bulletin to be reproduced for non-commercial educational or public-service purposes provided the source is acknowledged. ~ The Tree City USA program is sponsored by ,.' , The National ArbhorhDaysFoundatJSe'on ~n d cooperation wit t e U. . Forest IVIce an National Association of State Foresters. To achieve the national recognition of being named as a Tree 11lEE em' rs..\ City USA, a town or city must meet four standards: Standard 1: A Tree Board or Department Standard 2: A City Tree Ordinance Standard 3: An Annual Community Forestry Program Standard 4: An AJbor Day ObselVance and Proclamation Each winning community receives a Tree City USA flag. plaque. and community entrance signs. Towns and cities of every size can qualify. Tree City USA application forms are available from your state forester or The National Arbor Day Foundation. Published for the Frleruls of1ree City USA by The National Arbor Day Foundadon 100 Arbor Avenue · Nebraska City, NE 68410 1Ii46OO20 'e .e e C ITV OF CHAHHASSEN 5 - - 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937.1900. FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission :IIi FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: September 15, 1992 SUB]: Highway 5 Corridor Study As the commission may recall, comnusslon member Andrews was nominated as the representative to the Highway 5 Corridor Study Task Force in June of this year. The attached document, "Building Community Across the Corridor: A New Parkway Model for Chanhassen, Minnesota," is the base publication from which this task force is working. The changes in the transportation systems of Chanhassen which will evolve from this process are very exciting. The promise of future construction and roadway development provides us the opportunity to plan for these changes, incorporating desirable elements. These elements include open space, trails, and pedestrian crossings to name a few. The issue of pedestrian crossings, both "at grade and below grade" is one area which is currently being reviewed by the task force. At grade crossings are being discussed at the major intersections of Highway 5, Powers Boulevard, Audubon Road, Galpin Boulevard, and Highway 41. Below grade crossings are currently being investigated at Bluff Creek and Riley Creek. The work of the task force is still in its preliminary stages, although all work of the task force is likely to be completed within the next year. A public hearing concerning the issue was held on Thursday, September 10, 1992 (see attached related article, The Villager, 913/92). A handful of residents turned out It is the desire of Commissioner Andrews that the commission discuss these future plans, establishing a list of desires of the Park and Recreation Commission which he can represent as a member of the task force. I applaud Jim for his proactive position in this area. I am sure any assistance we can lend as the work of the task force moves forward will be appreciated. Attachments 1. 2. 3. "Building Community Across the Corridor" Brochure "Highway 5 Corridor Group Sets First Info Meeting,", The Villager Article, 9/3/92 Meeting Report dated September 10, 1992 ft \.., PRINTED ON REC~LED PAPER 8' SQUARE" laid.., ape ad tile deYeJoplMllt..... be.. aM........ bJ NoYe.ber..........,. (S1aIr.... bJ DIu Trtppler) In's downtown continues to expand :et Square development 3 for November opening uplc be Ioq before Chan- be wheelill. bWM =C::.v~OW11 iquare, with its 37,000 ::e.tlvll Foods pocery opcaiD. its doOrs riabt 1. toreI wiD be opeaiD. -, but most are waft- "P""i", of Festival laiDed Vemelle Oay- die brokers at Lotus II is pfdiq the clevel- j dlat Festival wants to beIiDDiDI of a month oa1cl be Cimin. it a bit . bu beeD JOin, very )nd JolmsoD, also of are about 30 days be- is DOt UDusual." onai- rpt date for openiD, _.Iot of the 87.000 iIIoppiDJ CCIlter is 11- ,eted. CurreIIdy COD- .. are fiDJshin. some : ell the buildiD.. iD- dudiD. finishiD. the ~. Other work, such u sbeetroctia.. is aoiD. OD ill the inside. "1Ddividual mercbaats wfli ba.. . do tbeir 'fixturiaa' hi tilt --. weeks," Aid Claytoa. .,~ is aaythiD.~ tiDe up sbelviD.1O ina.1Ji.., JiahtiD,. It fa UIUIlJy die lilt completed before faveatoJy is mewed ill. . All but three spOts are ftDed fa the center. "'There bas been iDtereat hi the l'f!m-i"i"JlpOII, " DOted JoImoa. Bath ClaytoD and Jobmon believe the sboppiDJ center wiD be Ued witbiD two years. That fDcIudea the IIIDIiD- iIIg three out Jots 1'IIDDiD. aIoaa W. 78th Street. . "We've had fatereat fa thole... u well. But because the city is ill- volved it WIDts to IDIb lUre that the riaht types of buJD... move iII," Johnson added. With the compJeticIa of Market Square this flU, other devc10pDeat projects wiD 1qiD. ChanhuIeD I..aM ad SpcIIII, . MARKET SQUARE....' Highway 5 corridor group sets first in~o meeting ., DIu TrtppIer I~ Arboretum. II wf1l be . time of Ibow ad tell. KrauuAid a meetiD. bas beeD OIl Sept. 10. the Hfpway 5 Cor. .. for 7 p.m. Dezt Thursday, Sept. rtdor TIlt Force wiD allow tile public 10, It gry HaD to pill public iDput ... '-w - OJIPOdIIDkieIit _ for aDd taiJor the Umverslty study to the deY~ of n..""_D', 1M Deeds of the cfamUDity. maiD ~ and the I'CIicleats -We're tIyiDa to bit a moviD, will leU the lilt force their feeIiDa 1Irpt. " JC.raUIs IBid of the pllDnin.. OD wbIt they WIDt to lie aIoaa the AIteady iD the worts for the areas Jdabway. witbiD the corridor are the potential nu;""~D ~ Direc::tor for an office ~Iez. I 120-unit Paul ICra..1Iid the idea of develop. _1M'" developmalt aad I aew ... the lilt bee Itarted . ~!e of ICbooI. yom IJO wIleD the plana for Hip- -There'. just I whole lot hap_ way 5'. apIDIioa mate 110 liabt. A peafq," he llid of the plans iD the cae IIUdy by the Uaivenity of MiD. worts, and the dty'. aeed to be DeIOtI ell ~ . ClOIIIIIlUDity 'PUt pI'OICtive iD aeuiD. the toae of that by the corridor of . Iarp lIi....y deve1opmOllt. ... ~ eadfer this year. JCrIuss poiDted out the poISlbil. The Itady, 1CrauIssaid, represeats it)' ofTarpt comfq to ~ In that the icIeu of the ~icfaDl which cue, be said, the city was proactive the.. loa is uiDJ. IltefIpiDJ fa ita desire for Tllpt to build where -.e. and bow the city waated. 'I1ae 1Iat force, be IIid, is made up ~ was JooIda. It five af.....--_...cIIy__ -.-.. ~~ ~ to- dl,~-"'Ioa.HRA, busi. ptber ad the Burdick ..ad raideDtialleCtOlI. Ja aU, 16 lite." Aba way. the city bu iDdMduaJa llave met twice DOW to puled cIoWa crileril. JDd~. the Joat Jato ...... . corridor that plllerVltbI oI1reecf areu, which IpllllIrom die Edia PrairJe border with n._..~. to the MiaDeaota CORRIDOR to ,.., . Jnd broken for county Justice center ~ will include ~6-bed jail, three court rooms . ~tbal . CwmUIeD Mayor DoJI Qmiel, ItnIchIraI Ifeel; Amueet I8c. ~ trIctora were IOIidtecI for bids. IDd Illy ofIIdals and dti. who lerved II co-cItaiJmaa ~ die =: MilIa., S158,OOO for IteeJ levaal pJcted up ~ for .. 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Iii l~iJ ~II~ i iJ1 us,,,: ~ ~ c ~ fdl ~ fHi ~ ~lll~ ~ .a.. : II ~ z: .II: CJ ..~ ,1_: ! ! ~ I ~ 1 oe .5 e ~ ~~ .s ~ ~ Project Project No. Date By TH 5 from TH 41 to CSAH 17 - S.P. 1002-61 2685-10-01 September 10, 1992 James Unruh 0':: I Th"U, \t't){4IW~ ( ~) ~.\.- ~\. t.. t (...(~ ~\I\.\o\':, I { !~l,'^t,,~ Meeting Report Meeting Location MnDOT Golden Valley Conference Room 1 Meeting Date 9/4/92 Participants Mike Spielmann, MnDOT Evan Green, MnDOT Ron Erickson, MnDOT John Mullan, Barton-Aschman Dave Warzala. Barton-Aschman James Unruh. Barton-Aschman Paul Krauss, Chanhassen Chuck Folch, Chanhassen Summary The meeting was held to discuss the potential shift of the proposed TH 5 alignment to the north between Audubon Road and CSAH 17. The proposed north side frontage road was also an item of discussion. . 'i e,l The current Chanhassen Comprehensive Plan shows a continuous frontage road along the north side of TH 5 between TH 41 and CSAH 17. This plan was approved by the Metropolitan Council within the last two years. Paul Krauss will send a copy of the plan to Barton-Aschman. Because of the high traffic volumes on TH 5, the existing access to Lake Ann Park from TH 5 is very hazardous. Chanhassen may construct the portion of the frontage road between Lake Ann Park and CSAH 17 prior to the rest of the frontage road to alleviate the hazardous condition on TH 5. The Chanhassen TH 5 Task Force will work with Barton-Aschman during the scoping process to develop the frontage road alignment to be studied in the Environmental Assessment (EA). The group agreed that the frontage road would necessitate the taking of two residences west of Lake Ann Park. Paul Krauss does not foresee any significant controversy with that action. -.~":~I"m .. e Barton-Aschman Associates, Inc. 111 Third Ave South. Minneapolis, MN 55401 . (612) 332.0421 . _ ~ .' , , 1992 SA will proceed in reliance on this report. Any discrepancies should be brought to our attention in writing ~m_ .~ . . . C ITV OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM ,'.TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator FROM: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor jR DATE: September 21, 1992 SUB]: 1992 Gate Attendant Program Report It is hard to believe our summer has breezed by us. The annual gate attendant report has helped our department track information from the sale of Lake Ann parking stickers, revenue from sticker sales, gate attendant total hours and wages, ~d South Lotus Lake Access activity. The summer of 1992 was full of surprises. The cool and rainy weather pattern limited the operating hours of the Lake Ann and South Lotus Lake gate houses. Although the gate houses were not open as often as 1991, the revenue collected was slightly greater. The increase can partially be credited to the addition of 3 new softball teamS and additional picnics which generated revenue toward the grand total. Whenever there was a nice weekend, both gate houses were very active. The South Lotus Lak~ Boat Access experienced an inCJease in watercraft usage over the previous year. Even though this summer was cool and rainy, the boat access saw plenty of activity. The number of boats using the access was 1eCOrded on a shift report while the gate attendants were on duty. The shift report allows the aucndant on duty to mark down what type of watercraft is using the access, the time they are entering, number of occupants, and vehicle license number in case there is a problem. With the increase of watercraft on South Lo~ looking into revising the boating rules and regulations would benefit and ~ouJd mitigate any future problems. i. Eurasian Water Milfoil is still a very important problem in our area lakes. During the summer of 1992, Lake Restoration, Inc. ueated milfoil twice in South Lotus Lake. The milfoil information will continue to be disttibuted to educate the public who are using the boat access. For your information, this next page will illustrate watercraft totals, revenues collected from parking passes and gate attendant hours and wages. ft ~., PRINTED ON RECVCLED PAPER e e e Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator Septmeber 18, 1991 Page 2 1992 Watercraft Totals: Speed Boats Fishing Boats Jet Skis Canoes Sheriff Boats Sail Boats Pontoons Duck Boats 834 671 51 27 10 8 4 2 TOTAL: 1607 *(1991 Watercraft Total: 1580) The revenue from the Lake Ann gate house was generated by activities scheduled in the park, such as; softball games and tournaments, soccer games, picnics, and beach activities. The 1992 and 1991 totals are listed for your review. Daily Passes Seasonal (resident) Seasonal (non-resident) 2,712 x $ 2.00 = $ 5,424.00 861 x $ 5.00 = $ 4,305.00 230 x $10.00 = $ 2,300.00 SUBTOTAL: 3,803 passes = $ 12,029.00 73 Softball Teams-Registtation Fees Lake Ann Picnic Parking 73 x $75.00 = $ 5,475.00 802.00 TOT AL FOR 1992: $ 18,306.00 1991 Totals: 4,407 passes = $ 12,856.00 70 Softball Teams-Registtation Fees 70 x $75.00 = $ 5,250.00 TOTAL FOR 1991: $ 18,106.00 . e e Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator Septmeber 18, 1991 Page 3 IDustrated below is each gate attendants total hours worked and earned wages for the summer of 1992. Brandon Anderson lim Farm 10hn Farm Lori Haak Mary Nelson Ion Stutelberg 262.5 hrs. x $ 5.00= 294.5 hrs. x $ 5.00= 283.5 hrs. x $ 5.00= 278.7 hrs. x $ 5.75= 223.4 hrs. x $ 5.50= 244.25 hrs. x $ 5.50 $ 1,312.50 $ 1,472.50 $ 1,417.50 $ 1,603.46 $ 1,228.72 $ 1,343.38 $ 8,378.06 TOTAL: 1,586.85 hours worked The Gate Attendant Report helps our department year after year in collecting the pertinent infonnation regarding the Lake Ann and South Lotus Lake Boat Access gate houses. The infonnation gathered is used to assist the development of our budget. e e e C ITV OF CHANHASSEN 7 - 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator FROM: Dawn Lemme, Program Specialist \).,,&. September 15, 1992 DATE: SUBJ: 1992 Summer Discovery Playground Evaluation I would consider this year's playground program to be a success. We had 234 kids enrolled this year at 8 sites. Staff included 1 playground director, 2 leaders, and 2 part-time leaders. The program went very smoothly with a wide variety of daily activities, an extremely organized staff, a new structure with longer days, and Tiny Mites being run at the same time as Dyna Mites. According to the 44 parent playground evaluations that were returned, children and parents were very pleased with the program as well. Playground counts were as follows: Tiny Mites Dyna Mites Meadow Green Park 27 26 Lions Park (Victoria) 8 14 No. Lotus Lake Park 4 3 7 17 11 17 15 20 17- ..L- 104 131 Rice Marsh Lake Park Chanhassen Hills Park City Center Park Lake Susan Park ft ~., PRINTED ON REC'f'CLED PAPER Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 2 e My opinion is that the North Lotus Lake Park site should be eliminated, and that one of the sites should be changed into a 2 day a week program. Preferably one with a shelter, or possibly out at Lake Ann Park. When asked in the evaluation about overall impression, cost of program, location, time, length of program, playground leaders and overall organization, 99% marked good or excellent as , 1heir response; with 3/4 of those responses being excellent When asked what activities, etc. did your child like most this year, the following items were mentioned most often: T-shirt painting Clown visit Fireman visit Games Crafts Instructors Stencil welcome mats Variety of activities offered / e Improvements to the program that were mentioned were as follows: Longer day/more weeks Songs - singing Alternate location for bad weather Snacks Less time free playing on playground In regards to the question asking whether or not people would be interested in a 2 or 3 day a week program next summer rather than 1 day a week, 33 out of 42 responses said yes, with a majority of them wanting mornings. The next item is IncomelExpenses of the program. There were 235 children enrolled this sununer. The fee was $13/child for 8 weeks (2 hours/week): Playground Income Playground Staff Playground Supplies Victoria Billing. (Lions Park - see attached) + $2,983.50 $6,070.19 $ 788.33 (approximate) $ 264.10 + .Victoria Playground Costs e . e e Todd H)ffman Seprernber 15, 1992 Page 3 1992 VICI'ORIA PLAYGROUND BILLING Salaries: 30 hours 20 hours 20 hours Mary Beth Wannka (Director-1O hrs. administrative time) Deb Johnson (Leader) Angie Laabs (Leader) Supplies: Art & craft supplies, games Wing Dings: Expenses Total Expenditures Total Revenue (22 x $13.00 = $286) Amount Due Remit to: City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive P. O. Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Total Salaries $7.oo/hr=$21O.oo $5.75/hr=$115.oo $5.50/hr=$IIO.oo $435.00 10% of total supplies $78.80 (Victoria-22 kids out of 234 kids=10.63) 10% of $363.00 = $36.30 550.10 ~286.oo $264.10 Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 4 . Super Events went over really well this year even though they were not run in conjunction with Chaska Park and Recreation. EVENT NO.OF CHILDREN COST/CHILD INCOME 1. Twins Game 29 $12.50 $362.50 Trip ran smoothly, kids enjoyed themselves. It was nice to offer the hot dog and pop as an included item in the price. Do again next year. 2. Minneapolis Airport! 40 $ 7.00 $280.00 Putt Putt Golf Fun, new idea. Most of the kids enjoyed the airport tour, however, it was a little too advanced/technical. They loved the mini-golf, but didn't have quite enough time. Skip airport, do mini-golf again. 3. MN Valley Wildlife 31 $ 4.00 $124.00 Refuge Great, inexpensive trip opportunity for kids. Maybe combine with something else (picnic) or change the topic next time. Would be a good option again next year. e 4. Minnesota Zoo 21 $ 7.00 $147.00 Nice sized group to work with (small) and kids that went had a good time, however, it seems many kids have gone before so lprobably would skip it next year. 5. Bunker Hills Wave Pool 39 $12.50 $487.50 Great trip, even though it was a bit chilly weatherwise, all enjoyed. This is a fun pool, make sure to have enough chaperons. Defmitely do again. 6. Science Museum! 20 $10.00 $200.00 Omni Theater This trip went well even though attendance was a little low. Kids could of used more time to look at exhibits. They liked the theater show (tropical rain forest). Maybe would do again. Total Super Event Attendance Total Super Event Income Super Event Expenses Super Event Bus Fees 180 kids +$1,601.00 - $ 817.05 :.J 694.75 + $ 89.20e e . e e Todd H>ffman September 15, 1992 Page 5 Wednesday Wing Dings for the most part worked out good this summer. Attendance was not as high at a few of the events, but overall they were well liked. These events are entirely free to children ages 3-12. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. No. of People in Attendance 200 100 125 100 60 no 250-300 Animal Adventures Movies and Popcorn Vo-De-O-Dos with Wendy Shark Mania Safety Discovery Day Endangered Species Mini Carnival Wing Ding expenses totalled $363.00 and should be run again next year if possible. The mini-carnival is especially popular as well as the Animal Adventures program and the movies and popcorn day. Safety Day has a lot of potential, but had to be run inside the gym due to bad weather. I feel it would be a more well attended event had it been outdoors. The next items are detailed information on what specific activities and projects took place. Craft Activities - Tiny Mites 1. Peanut Butter Bird Feeders - Good project - have toilet paper tubes pre-hole punched with string through. 2 . Dried Flower Bottles - Tearing tape pieces was too hard for Tiny Mites. 3. Red/WhitelBlue Yard Windsocks and Fla2s - Weaving was much too difficult for Tiny Mites - this would be a better activity for Dyna Mites, but not windsocks because then they can't go outside. Maybe book marks with their names woven in or wall hangings or something. Not interesting or relevant for Tiny Mites. 4. Clown Hats - Good activity - week 4 because previous projects were harder and more time consuming - a nice break for us and for kids. Probably not a project most kids saved very long. 5. Frisbees - O.k. project but Tiny Mites didn't spend much time decorating - may not have been worth the money for ready-made project. 6. Safety Bum1>er Stickers - Should have been pre-made (words) by leaders for Tiny Mites so they could just decorate them or another safety Tiny Mite activity instead - the Tiny Mite bumper stickers were too scribbly to actually stick anywhere - most parents probably threw them away. Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 6 7. Welcome Mats - Good project, but have 3 Tiny Mite people/leaders if there are more than 10 Tiny Mites. e 8. Jewelry - Kids liked stringing beads and buttons - use fish line or nylon string for all jewelry. Could collect buttons from parents starting fIrst week. Nature Projects. Tiny Mites 1. Scrambled words nature hunt - they really liked it (also listed under games). 2. Wild flower picking for drying. 3. Sunflower plates - the Tiny Mites liked eating the sunflower seeds since many never tried them before, but the sunflower plates were not very meaningful. 4. Painted T-Shirts - very popular with both kids and parents. Should be limited to 2 weeks and given more notice for t-shirts. Also, have enough spray bottles so that if they get clogged up we can still do project. 5. Homemade Bubbles - kids loved it! Bring back last week, too! e 6. Crystal Garden - too advanced for Tiny Mites. 7. Fossil Making - not age appropriate. 8. Creative Critters - a good project but should have been made separately as its own "craft" project 9. Scavenger Hunt - made simple with pictures for Tiny Mites. (Also listed under games.) Otber Projects. Tiny Mites 1. 2. .3. Making and sampling peanut butter Making butter from cream Red, White & Blue Berry Bowl Should have put recipe and directions in newsletter. 4. Clown and Face Painting - very popular - be sure to have H20 soluble paints and several small brushes. 5. Popsicles/watennelon. e . e e Todd Ht)ffman September 15, 1992 Page 7 6. Sidewalk chalk (need fatter chalk). * A snack is a good idea for a two hour session, and it worked best when it was part of a project where we made it together instead of just passing snack out. Songs. Tiny Mites Wander Ball (also listed under games) Peanut Butter/Jelly Animal Crackers Doggie, Doggie (also listed under games) Get Up! Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 8 e Games. Tiny Mites Electricity Hula Hoop Pass Nature Scramble Touch Blue Color Tag Beach Ball Volleyball (ball too big & net too high for Tiny Mites) Dragon Slayer Obstacle Course Water Balloon Toss Ankle tied Balloon Pop Wander ball Tickle Pickle Capture the Dragon's Tail Capture the Flag (with Dyna Mites) SPUD (with Dyna Mites, not all groups) Cookie Monster Everybody's It Tag (with Dyna Mites) Get Up! Bubble Gum Bubbles Contest Simon Says Scavenger Hunt Blob Tag (with Dyna Mites) Doggie, Doggie Duck, Duck, Gray Duck Eco-Walk (clean up game) Parachute Games. Tiny Mites and Dyna Mites e Shark Cat and Mouse Switch Popcorn Shakes Sports. Tiny Mites Kick Ball with Dyna Mites Beach Ball or Water Balloon Volleyball Obstacle Course (lists under games) e e e e Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 9 Craft Activities . Dyna Mites 1. Finch Feeders - Kids loved it, but we needed 3-4 exacto knives, and enough bird seed to at least half-way fill their feeders, or they're not motivated to do the project (there's no purpose since most parents do not buy the seed for it). Also enough dowels - popsic1e sticks did not work. 2. Dried Flower Bottles - Good activity for this age group. 3. Plaster Craft Masks - Good project but either don't decorate or do it the day they're made (needs more than two hours) or else the kids never take them home if they're gone the next week. (I threw away 23 masks at the end of playground.) 4. Decoratim~ and Puttine: Toe:ether Yo-Yo's - They weren't at all that interested in the yo-yo's and never really used them. Frisbees would"probably have gotten more use. (They played with the Tiny Mites's frisbees.) 5. Safety BumDer Stickers - They did a really nice job on these! 6. Welcome Mats - Very enjoyable project - we needed more stencils and a better clean- up system. If possible make with fabric paint so they can go outside. 7. Red. White and Blue Lanvards/Kev Chains - Would have been more age appropriate for older kids - 9 and up or so - some of the younger Dyna Mites did not have the small motor coordination and were frustrated by the project. A simpler "stitch" may have worked better, or have an option for kids. 8. Tile Mae:nets - Some kids did a really nice job - others rushed through project - it worked best indoors because of small felt pieces and feathers blowing away. Nature Activities. Dyna Mites 1. Nature Scramble - made more advanced for Dyna Mites than Tiny Mites. 2. Nature Windows - Could have been used as a craft project Flattest screens work best - have contact paper and screens pre-cut 3. Fabric Painted T-Shirts - Could also have been a day's "main" project Dyna Mites might also have enjoyed doing more detailed shirts, for example splatter paint, dry, then use puffy paints to write names or "Summer Discovery Playground," etc. Todd Hflffman September 15, 1992 Page 10 e 4. Home-Made Bubbles - They liked the games we played with the bubbles more than just blowing the bubbles like the Tiny Mites. 5. Crystal Garden - Not very relevant to playground - would work better in a weekly theme and a longer program. 6. Fossil Making - Would have been better if we made them into wall hangings or tree ornaments - kids could also have brought things from home to fossilize and make project more meaningful. 7. Scavenger Hunt - Match partners - older Dyna Mites with younger Dyna Mites. Other Projects. Dyna Mites 1. 2. Making peanut butter and sampling Making butter from cream Planned for Tiny Mites but Dyna Mites all wanted to make them too. 3. Red, White, and Blue Berry Bowl- Would have been great if kids could have picked strawberries or blueberries and then made berry bowl together. e 4. Clown and face painting - Dyna Mites didn't really get into the clown, but they liked the face painting. 5. Popsicles/Watermelon - Same comments as for Tiny Mites. also, keep snacks for Tiny Mites and Dyna Mites the same. Games. Dyna Mites Paramedic Tag Name Train Nature Word Scramble "Everybody's It" Tag Octopus Tag Hospital Tag Color Tag Frisbee Contests Knots Link Tag Blob Tag Water Balloon Toss Ankle Tied Balloon Pop e . e e Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 11 Capture the Flag SPUD 4 Square Scavenger Hunt Bubble Gum Bubbles Contest Hula Hoop Pass Bco-Walk (clean-up) lump the River Capture the Dragon's Tail Elephant, Palm Tree, Monkey Kick Ball Beach Ball Volleyball Obstacle Course Sports. Dyna Mites 7 (.l) e C ITV OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator SUBJ: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor ~ September 15, 1992 ~ Oktoberfest Update FROM: DATE: e Chanhassen's annual Oktoberfest celebration will be Friday, September 25, 1992, from 5:00 - 11:00 p.m. in the lower parking lot of Chanhassen City Hall. The main scheduled events are kids games, a hot air balloon display, food concessions, bingo, and the street dance, and the all new petting zoo and pony rides from 3:00 to 9:00 p.m. The street dance will feature Chuck Thiel and the Jolly Ramblers. Their style of music will include polkas, waltzes, 50's, and country music. They will be performing from 6:00 - 11:00 p.m. The Chanhassen Rotary will be calling bingo again this year. Their tent will be located on Coulter Drive. The Chanhassen Snowmobile Club will be operating the children's games. All the games will be set up on Coulter Drive directly south of the large tent. The games are always very popular and we hope for another great year. The newly organized Chanhassen Jaycees will be serving caramel apples from 5:00 - 11:00 p.m. This will provide a platform for the Jaycees to gain. exposure with the community while raising money for their organization. Adventure Balloons will be giving hot air balloon rides at a cost of $2.00 per person, with all the proceeds collected from the rides being donated to the Carver County Food Shelf. e As a new addition to this year's Oktoberfest, a petting zoo and pony rides will be available. The petting zoo will feature ten different species of animals and is absolutely free. Children and their parents will be able to reach through the gates of the petting zoo and be in contact ft '- ~ PRINTED ON REC'f'CLED PAPER Mr. Todd Hoffman September 15, 1992 Page 2 with the tame animals. The pony rides will be available at a cost of $2.00 per person per ride. The petting zoo and pony rides will start early in the day and will be from 3:00 - 9:00 p.rn. All the electrical needs of each group are being reviewed and will be accommodated. The Oktoberfest Celebration will soon be here, but with careful planning, this special event will be successful. An Oktoberfest flyer will be inserted into the September 17 edition of The Chanhassen Villager. The insert will include the schedule of events and all other information pertaining to Oktoberfest The large Oktoberfest banner will be placed across West 78th Street by St Hubert's to alert people driving through town. Additional flyers will be distributed around town to gain more visibility. e e e . e e ADMINISTRATIVE SECfION Flyer announcing Oktoberfest. Letter from the Chanhassen Bank dated September 11, 1992. Letter from VanDoren Hazard Stallings dated September 11, 1992. Letter from the State of Minnesota DNR dated September 11, 1992. Letter to Blake Spillers dated September 11, 1992. Memo to Dale Gregory dated September 10, 1992. Notice of chemical tteatment of lake dated September 9, 1992. Memo to Sgt. Julie Boden, CCSO, Officer Steve Walter, DNR, and Todd Hoffman dated September 9, 1992. Article "Council prohibits mosquito spraying" from Tribune dated week of September 9, 1992. Letter to residents dated September 4, 1992. Letter to parents introducing Kids Klub dated September 2, 1992. Letter to Jerry Ruegemer dated August 25, 1992. Flyer on Chanhassen Park and Recreation Fall Programs. e FRIDAY September 25 CHANHAIIEN'. ANNUAL e The City of Chanhassen Par1c & Recreation Department. The Chanhusen Lions. Adventure Balloons. Thi Chanhassen Snowmobile Club. The Chanhusen Rotary Club. The Chanhassen JaycllS cTHE ~~.tr.~,,= · BANK September 11, 1992 Todd Hoffman City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive P.O. Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Todd: Thank you for your letter regarding your leaving the Chanhassen Chamber of Commerce as the City Liaison. You will definitely be missed. You have been a steady, positive influence on the board and your superior attitude in helping with the many events over the years has been greatly appreciated. e In your usual efficient manner you have even planned for your successor. That really is helpful. We will be happy to welcome Kate on our Board. Todd, once again, many thanks for your years of service! Best Regards, I' . -- -'" Kevin P. McShane President & CEO KPM:daz cc: Don Ashworth, City Manager Pat Pappenfuss, Chamber Secretary Chamber Board Members REr-"",\U'" ""tJ . l~t: e SC:P 1 ~. 190.: CITY OF C~~,",I"",",;:'::-r' 600 West 78th Street. Chanhassen, MN 55317. (612) 937,BANK ~ VanDoren Hazard Stallings, Inc. . A"cnl~.c~. . Engin.."". . PI.nn."". e September 11, 1992 Mr. Denny Frovarp B & D Underground 1351 Co. Road 83 Maple Plain, MN 55359 Re: Lake Ann Park Utilities City Project No. RA-110 VBS Project No. 91-319 Dear Denny: Enclosed is the final punchlist for the referenced project. As soon as all items on this list have been corrected or repaired please contact us and we will .et up another walk thru. If you have any questions please contact me. Sincerely, VAN DOREN-HAZARD-STALLINGS, INC. RJJL.s~ e Robert L. Sellers cc: Todd Hoffman Jerry Boucher Dale Gregory RECEIVED DPltOVAD.I.D5 SEP 14 1992 e CITY OF CHANH~SEN 3030 Harbor Lane North, Bldg. II, Suite 104, Minneapou. Minneeota 55447.2175 (612) 553-1950 ro VanDoren Hazard Stallings, Inc. A,.chi~.C~. . Engin..,... . FI.nn.,.. . September 11, 1992 The following persons met at Lake Ann Park on September 2, 1992 to review the utility construction; Todd Hoffman - Chanhassen Park Recreation Director Dean Schmieg - Chanhassen Park Maintenance Curt Ziermann - Chanhassen Public Works Bill Bement - Chanhassen Engineering Denny Frovarp - B , D Underground Jim Buboltz - B , D Underground Bob Sellers - VanDoren-Hazard-Stallings The items on this punch1ist need to be corrected or repaired prior to the City of Chanhassen final acceptance. Raise gate valve at the beginning of the watermain. Repair turf and sod at beginning of project. Lower curb box at drinking fountain No.1. Adjust water pressure at drinking fountain No. 1 Lower curb box at drinking fountain No.2. Yard hydrant at drinking fountain No. 2 leaks at top of operating valve - repair. Raise gate valve for hydrant by concession building. All hydrants need to be painted and have markers installed. Additional restoration and clean-up around hydrant No.2. Yard hydrant at group picnic area doesn't shut off - repair. Remove framing from around concrete slab at yard hydrant and restore. Complete work at lift station; including start-up procedures and final testing. Change caps on valve boxes on lift station slab to read Sewer. Remove concrete around service panel and replace as a single pour. Wood chip mulch around landscaping at lift station needs to be installed as shown on attached and previously supplied detail. Also realign plastic edging to eliminate abrupt changes and areas difficult to maintain. 16. Service line clean-outs need to be lowered (2" below top of sod) and new threaded caps installed with iron marker. 17. Replace concrete patches on trail with bituminous. 18. Area where forcemain was installed needs to have all pieces of broken asphalt, roots and stumps removed. 19. Sweep trail in areas where dirt has accumulated from construction activities. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. e 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. e 3030 Harbor Lane North, Bldg. 11, Suite 104, Minneapolia MinnHote 55<<7.2175 (612) 553-1950 September 11, 1992 Page 2 e 20. Trim trail patches to match existing trail width - sawcut to provide uniform edge. 21. Grout casting and provide chimney seal for M.R. at end of forcemain. 22. Eliminate infiltration around 8" PVC connection into existing lift station and into M.R. at end of forcemain. 23. Regrade I" clear rock around existing lift station and place 3" of CL 5 100' crushed surface. VBS will verify with Jerry Boucher. 24. Clean up scattered rock at entrance to Greenwood Shores. In addition there are numerous areas of trench settlement that are apparent at this time. These and any additional areas that develop within the 2 year warranty period will need to be corrected. 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UJ '0 Z < ..J ~~T~T~@iJ"~ ~DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES 500 LAFAYETTE ROAD · ST. PAUL., MINNESOTA . 55155-4004 e DNR 'NFORMA TION (612) 296-6157 Director Parks & Recreation City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen MN 55317 September 11, 1992 Attention: Public Water Access Administrator SUBJECT: INSPECTING WATERCRAFT FOR EXOTIC SPECIES One of the environmental problems facing Minnesota's lakes, lake users and lake communities is harmful exotic species. During the 1992 legislative season several statutes were enacted giving new direction and authority to the Department of Natural Resources in its efforts in combating harmfuI exotic species. We have been mandated by the legislature to conduct random inspections of watercraft leaving waterbodies that contain harmful exotic species such as Eurasian watermilfouand zebra mussels. Minnesota Statute 18.317, Subdivision 3a. states, "Licensed watercraft and associated equipment including weed harvesters, tllat are removed from any waters of the state that the commissioner of natural resources identifies as being contaminated with Eurasian Watermi/foil, Zebra Mussels, or other water-transmitted harmful exotic species identified by the commissionc~ of natural resources, shall be randomly inspected between May 1 and Oerober 15 for a minimum of 10,000 hours by .. personnel authorized by the commissioner of natural resources." This is a key strategy to keep these species from being transported to other lakes or rivers in your community and across the state. In order to fulfil this legislative mandate an Exotic Species Monitoring Team has been established through the Department of Natural Resources' Minnesota Conservation Corps. This project is cooperatively directed by the DNR's Division of Fish and Wildlife and Minnesota Conservation Corps. Because your agency is the managing authority of a public water access on a body of water that has exotic species present, the Department of Natural Resources would like to enter into a cooperative agreement with your agency to gain access to your public water accesses and to carry out the objectives set forth by the Minnesota State Legislature and the Department of Natural Resources' Exotic Species Program. Please have a representative of your agency sign the attached two copies of the Right of Entry Permit and'return one copy to the address listed below as soon as possible: Minnesota Department of Natural Resources Minnesota Conservation Corps, Box 4 Exotic Species Monitoring Teamj500 Lafayette Road St. Paul, Minnesota 55155 Your coope!ation is greatly appreciated in helping to preserve and eahance one of Minnesota's greatest natural resources... Its waters. If you have any questions, please contad me at (612) 282-2S09. Sincerely, L/~;_._ (. 71z;f~ Thomas E Hagel, Coordinator Exotic Species Monitoring Team Minnesota Conservation Corps e RECEIVED AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER SEP 14 1992 CITY OF CHANHA~::it:.N ... EXOTIC SPECIES MONITOR.ING TEA" FACTS ~ MCC . liIi._.ota Coa..rYatioa c.~ (IiICC): The iadividual. ..orkia, .. Eaotic Specie. MoDitol'l (E.S.M.) an bi,.. ..r MCC authority which ,.quil'll ....t ,.noDl "artio, _t .. ..t....a .... ap. of ll-J6 wMa bi.... .. a Mu....o.. n.i_Dt. aD. uaemploy.. or ."r-employ.d. Ooa": I The primary JOal. of 111I 'Eaotic Specie. Moaitori.. T_ ..: (1) to u.cr.a. ,_lie a......... al>>01l& 1be tlnate of .aotie epeei. to MiDDno.'. watel'l (2) to ~Dluate wIIat iDdi~.ua1. CaD do 10 ,nveat \be Ifnad of .aitic epeci... Tile a.....~. ,roae.. u..olve. .... followiDJ .....: . IDlpeetioa of .....rcraft for llarmful .aotie .peei. · V.rl>>al oommUDicati_ of .... ..... aDd ia... 1WI'O_4tiq .... .~. ...... aDd .ff.cte of exotica epeci. to Mi....aoca.. .....1'1. . 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The following definitions apply to" the tenns used in this document: DNR means Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. AGENCY means the represented unit of government including but not limited to municipality, city, township, county and federal agencies, including but not limited to National Park Service, U. S. Forest Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Army Corps of Engineers. EXOTIC SPECIES MONITORING means inspection of watercraft for harmful exotic species, ensuring that public water accesses are weed and debris free while monitoring teams are present, verbal communication of the laws and issues surrounding the existence, spread and effects of exoti(: species to Minnesota's waters, distribution of written materials and exotic alert tags, collection of information and data necessary to evaluate: the spread of exotic species, the effect of public awareness, the response of recreational watercraft users to the project, and other pertinent research information. PUBLIC WATER ACCESS means any public area designated for the primary purpose of launching and exiting watercraft to an adjacent body of water. 2. PERMISSION TO ENTER: The City of Chanhassen gives permission to enter and occupy, for the purpose (fed..a1 Apncy. CouZIty. M\lJlicipIIity, Township) of Exotic Species Monitoring, all public water accesses administered by the above agency and adjacent to waters identified by DNR as being contaminated with exotic species. DNR may exercise this permission through its employees and authorized volunteers. DNR may not transfer or assign this permission except as authorized by the Commissioner of Natural Resources. This permit shall remain in force as long as Minnesota Statutes Section 18.317 requires DNR to conduct exotic species monitoring, The DNR shall act with due care while on the property of the above agency and the DNR and its employees and agents shall be responsible for damages to the extent authorized and limited by Minnesota Statutes Section 3.736, The above agency reserves the right to revoke this permission upon notification to the Exotic Species Program of the DNR. r.tTV n~ r~4N~4~~~N MINNESOI'A DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES BY: /.&~ BY: TTrLE: Park and Recreation Coordinator TITLE: DATE: September 14. 1992 DAlE: ~tember 10.1992 Laal Apncy Copy " \ C ITY OF CHAHHASSEH e 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739 September 11, 1992 ~K1 '7"~ /l1?~~;P/ //6#f'II!?~#~~ Mr. & Mrs. Blake Spillers 8123 Dakota Lane Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Mr. & Mrs. Spillers: Construction activity of the 8-ft. wide bituminous trail between Lake Susan Community Park and Rice Marsh Lake Park will begin on Monday, September 14, 1992. Construction traffic will access this project from Highway 101, Rice Marsh Lake Park, and off of Dakota Lane. Work will be confined to public park land and trail easement areas. The current estimate for completion of this project is one month. Thank you for our patience in this matter. e H you have any questions concerning this project or other park and recreation activities, please call me. Sincerely, ~~ Todd Hoffman Park and Recreation Coordinator nIX pc: John Horn, BRW Don Ashworth, Gty Manager Dale Grego!)', Park Foreman Charles Folch, City Engineer e ft ~., PRINTED ON RECYCLED MPER - e e e C ITV OF CHAHHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Dale Gregory, Park Foreman Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator 11 FROM: DATE: September 10, 1992 Pheasant tiill Grading Plan SUBJ: Attached are three copies of the revised Pheasant Hill Park Grading Plan. YOll will notice the change in slope on the play field and the addition of a catch basin on the east side of the trail in the vicinity of Wood Duck Lane. It was the suuestion of Dave Hempel that we work with Mike Wegler on the design and installation of the catch basin and associated pine. Please coordinate this work in conjunction with the grading which will be occurring this fall. You should also note that the cut and fill quantities have changed as a result of the grading revisions. As you are aware the Pheasant Hill neighborhood is anxiously awaiting continued work at this park. Please keep me informed as to plans being made between the public works departments. Dale, I have also attached a planting plan for S11Dset Ridge Park as prepared by HoisingtoD, Koegler Group, Inc. This plan was included in a grant application for funding of this and other projects in the City. If the grant is not approved, the plan may still be used to pide future plantings in this park. p.c. Dave Hempel o PRINTED ON RECVCLED PAPER t t i t I I f ~ t . "'- e This ea was chemically treated on . 1972 with' " f C under permit no. 2 from the Minnesota Dept. of Natural Resources DO NOT use this water for swimming or bathing until ,~ . 19~. . ... . DO NOT use this water for household uses, irrigation.. animal aterlng. or similar purposes until , 30 . 19l1:. DO NOT take fish from this treated area until } 2 .19..ll. " .... --.,', e .. '. "" t8II11IIT If IITM IBIIIID e e e C ITY OF CHANHASSEN '" 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Sgt. Julie Boden, CCSO Officer steve Walter, DNR . Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation c~~or Scott Harr, Public Safety Directo~ FROM: DATE: September 9, 1992 Snowmobile Meeting SUBJ: I have tentatively scheduled a meeting for 2 p.m. on Friday, September 25, in the Public Safety Conference Room, to begin safety planning for the upcoming snowmobiling season. I think we will be in a little better position than in the past, for reasons including the fact that the Sheriff's Office has new snowmobiles that may be accessible; our positive relationship with the DNR; and, some preliminary information I received indicating that the Sheriff's Office Water Patrol Division may be more involved with snowmobile patrolling than in the past. At this time, I would like this meeting to involve Chanhassen Public Safety, the DNR, the Sheriff's Office, as well as Chanhassen Park & Rec, to see what resources will be available and where we would like to direct safety patrols and enforcement activity. If this time will not work for you, please let me know. Thanks. cc: Don Ashworth, City Manager Chief Deputy Jim Castleberry, CCSO Captain Ron Holt, CCSO ft \.1 PRINTED ON REC~LED PAPER '/ ~~ /J tiP;'} ~f ,JI fqf1/~1- ')~I ..lit.. Council approves bid ~ for police firing range ..I C' Co '1 ill The Maple Grove It)' unCI ~ approved a bid of $ 1.6 million Tuesday to build an indoor fire- _. arms trainina range for police. ~ The city will own and operate the range but will share it with the , Hennepin County Sheriffs De- D' partment. ,r' Jon Elam, Maple Grove city ad- ,r', ministrator, said the bid was :t~ about $1.50,000 less than what the "r city and the county had expected. ~,~ The city now is waitina for the ~~', county to qree to the proposal. 'l ~.~ Plans call for a 14,()()().square-foot ,j.~ structure with a 12-lane firina ':;: range, classrooms and offices on ..," land owned by the city on 89th Av. N. Hennepin County qreed 10 the joint venture in April. - " ,~ ,. '.. CHANHASSEN j. :.: Councirprohibits' ~:;,'- ~ mosquito spraying ~' The Chanhassen City Cbuncil re- . cently. prohibited the Metropoli- ~.., tan Mosquito Control District 'la. from spraying city parks to kill :~~ adult mosquitoes. t"; coo The action followed a recommen- - ~. dation by the city's Park and Ree- I i reation Department to prohibit - sprayina because of possible ~ I health and environmental risks. t 1 ~. t ,I, ~ " "There was also talk amona the cO' council members about whether [the mosquito control actions} really did any ,000," said Todd " Hoffman, park coordinator. "1- The ban is in effect until Septem- ber 1993, when the parks depart- ment will review the issue. How- ;; ever, the district will be allowed to drop pesticide briquettes and :.-. aranules in mosquito breedin, '1i places to control larvae. r 'I, j I :l :: Hopes are high '~ ~ for new post office " . 'j Even thouah the postmaster pm- '1 eral has frozen U.S. Postal Service ., . construction contracts. local post- I ~ al officials are optimistic that I work on the new Coon Rapids I Post Office will ao tbrouah. I Post office spokesman Don Sager l' said that an option to buy the ~ property has been extended and .. that plans call for buyina it possi- o bly by mid-November, when the _ freeze is expected to be lifted. COON RAPIDS . ,. t- I .... r: ~( 'oil ;,' '.1" t'l r.r (,t ,.1' ~'! C'..__ _H...;".", wnt'Ir hlt~1wn "'11" .....11. u... .._._.", .-- ...-- ------" in the future." Loeding, of Rosemount, said he doesn't know if the same would be true for Inver Grove Heights, whic~ will be part of the new District 4, along with the southern third of Eagan. Loeding, whose current district includes Inver Grove, said he used to live there and his mother still does, so he feels he has remained in close contact with that fast-developing city. Turner, who along with Harris, opposed expanding the board, said two more board members will' mean more discussion and ease board members' committee workload. He said if a sinale issue candidate - such IS an opponent aroup fiJhting the incinerat< and candidate James Muell a businessman and a bum ponent, lost to Loeding in t . election. Another Eagan date is David Medernac' owner of a Great Oips shop. 'Two . other Inver Grove residents round out the Di! slate: Daml Peterson. an consultant, and Gladys W 40, a county human se worker who wants the board to change its Tl momina meetings to time: more residents can attend. The prbage incinerator r an issue in most districts. five incumbents, only 1 Evert and Scheel face challengE Washington Count)' will hold pri- round out th-, slate: Kath mary elections Tuesday for Coun- 38, director of the statc ty Board seats held by ancumbents Reporters,Association; Gal Don Scheel of Afton and Sally and Steven Meister. Evert of Stillwater. In the Fifth District. boarc Stillwater Mayor Wally Abraham'" man Scheel faces county ( ion. 62,. former city police chief, / ee Bud Root, 67, Oakds ia amonJ four cbaUenaers in Dave EDgstrom, 38, Afto Evert's district, all of whom ae- ItFOm wants the board 1 cuse the County Board of over- eveninas in different co' spendina. some citing the $36 ties so more people can at! million law enforcement center and jail. Evert araues that property tax in- creases have been moderate, in line with residents' requests for more services. Three other Stillwater residents There will be no prima Mary Hauser, BirchwoOO unopposed in the Second or Dennis Hegberg, ~ who will face Dep Richard Becker in Nov the Fint District seat. Metro James Olsen's impressions of Moscow include the pervasive smell of diesel exhaust, crowded streets and hesitancy and uncertainty in the voices be heard. Olsen, 49, of Richfield, is the directOr of enterprises and services for the American Council of the Blind. He was one of six Americans to visit Moscow and St. Pe\ersbura last week IS auesu of the All Ruuia Auociation for the Blind. "Under the old JOverDment the workshops and rehab centers were state funded. But now, with the new economy, there's areat uncertainty about what services will be like," Olsen said. He is an accountant and , worked in St. Paul until he lost his eyesighL He went from doing volunteer work for the council to manqina its II thrift stores around the country. The council, with revenues oUS million last .lames OI..n donation law. The Russi association would beaA somethina like a cha"" orpnization here," he u Olsen said the people he were aracious, aenerous eaaer to bear the Americ impressions of their cou and proarams. "Wt had .,. . .. ., e C ITV OF CHAHHASSEN . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739 , September 4, 1992 Dear Resident: e As you may be aware, the aquatic plant, eurasian water milfoil (EWM), is growing in the waters of Lotus Lake. Through the assistance of the Lotus Lake Homeowners Association, portions of the lake were treated for EWM on July 14, 1992. This treatment was carried out by Lake Restoration, Inc. under contract with the city. The majority of the areas treated that day were under 5 feet in depth, as the highest populations of milfoil have been found in less than 3.5 feet of water. Subsequent inspections have determined that this treatment was only partially effective. The city is fortunate to have entered into a joint powers agreement for herbicide applications for the treatment of EWM on Lotus Lake with the Deparunent of Natural Resources. This agreement is effective only through November 30, 1992. Mr. Tom Sak, Coordinator of the Department of Natural Resources EWM Program and other employees of the DNR, conducted an inspection of Lotus Lake on Wednesday, September 2, 1992, for the purpose of identifying milfoil plant communities and marking their location for treatment I wish to notify residents that Lotus Lake will be treated for eurasian water milfoil by a private applicator under conttact with the Department of Natural Resources on Wednesday, September 9, 1992. The public access will be dosed from 8:00 a.m. that day until 4:00 p.rn. the following day, Thursday, September 10th. In the interest of realizing a life and effective treatment, I am asking that riparian owners and those with access to the like through associations refrain from utilizing the lake for boating, swimming, or other uses during this same time. The DNR will follow up this treatment with Mditional inspections of the lake to determine its effectiveness and if any adverse affects on other plant communities occmred. e The control of eurasian water milfoil, through the application of herbicides, is not a cure all for what ails our lakes. However, through the continued efforts of the homeowner associations, the newly administered Surface Water Management Task Force, our watershed districts, the DNR, and the city, the laborious process of improving the Quality of Lotus Lake and the other lakes within our city will persist ft: '--' PRINTED ON RECVCLED PAPER tt14NIi4))tN September 2. 1992 I\IDS I\WI3 Afln-SCtiOOl. moGlWi Dear Parents: Hello. My name is Susan Cornelius; I will be coordinating the KIDS KLUB after-school program for Chanhassen Park and Recreation and Qasta Park and Recreation throughout this school year. I have a teaching degree in Elementary Education and have done considerable substitute teaching in District 112. In addition. this summer I was employed with City of Chaska as a park and recreation instructor for their "Commitment to Kids" summer program. Within the fust week of our program. we will be going over ruleslpolicies, a copy of which I have enclosed with this letter. We will also be doing crafts/activities geared toward wrapping up our summer fun. Throughout the course of our program we will have special programming. events, and entenainment. A newsletter will be sent home each Friday to keep you abreast of our happenings. A "Leisure Line" is also available to you to find out about cancellations. updates, and happenings. The "Leisure Line" phone number is 962-9000. Because our program follows School District 112's schedule. we will not be operating on days District 112 has off. If school is cancelled due to inclement weather. KIDS KLUB will also be cancelled. We would also ask that if your child is going to be absent from school due to illness or participation in other activities that we be contacted. A message may be left at the Claska Community Center (Chaska Kids Klub) at 448-5633 or with Chanhassen City Hall (Chanhassen Kids Klub) at 937-1900. I am excited about this new program offered to you and your child(ren). I look forward to a fun. rewarding program in the upcoming school year. If you have any questions about our program. please feel free to contact me throup the Qasta Community Center at 448-5633 or O,nhassen City Hall at 937-1900. Sincerely. ~~~-t0CQt~ Susan Cornelius KIDS KLUB Coordinator e e e (Ii!NIi!SS[N e I\IDS I\WI3 AflfD-SCtiOOL ~ Tuesdav. SeDtember 8 Rules, Introduction to Staff, Program Snack: Apple slices with cinnamon and sugar, juice Craft: Designing personal drink glasses Activity/Game: Playground, Kick ball Wednesday. SeDtember 9 Review Rules Snack: Fruit Juice, graham crackers e Craft: Making Chinese jump ropes Activity/Game: Chinese Jump Rope and Games with Dice Thursdav. SeDtember 10 Snack: Pudding, Vanilla Wafers Craft: Making bubble liquid Activity/Game: Bubble Blowing, Greek Ball Fridav. SeDtember 11 Snack: Trail mix Craft: Maracas Activity/Game: Croquet, Sharks and Minnows e MONDAY TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THURSDAY FRIDA Y I\IVS I\WI3 AflID-SctfOOL ~ WEEKLY Snack: Cooties and Milk Craft: Squirt Gun An Activity: Bean Bag Golf , e Snack: Gorilla CrushlCookies Craft: Window Stenciling Activity: Magazine Scavenger Hunt, 4 Square Snack: Candy Logs Craft: Sand in a Bottle Activity: Rigamarole, Fox and Geese Snack: Crackers/Butter Craft: Making Butter Activity: Octopus, Bean Bag Toss Snack: Watermelon Craft: Fish Mobile Activity: Swimming e e . e e I\IDS I\LUI3 AmD-SctiOOL ~ RULES 1. Sign in each day. Parents sign out each day. We need to know if you are here or not 2. As soon as you check in. come and sit down on the carpet squares. 3. Use restroom and water fountains before KIDS KLUB begins. 4. Stay in designated KIDS KLUB location unless your group and leader leave (Chaska: Wet Craft Room; Chanhassen: Gymnasium). s. No running around while waiting for things to get ~tarted. No running around while activity is going. 6. Everyone participates. 7. No food or beverages allowed in KIDS KLUB location unless given to you by a staff member. 8. Tennis shoes are best for participation in activities. 9. DISCIPLINE PROCEDURES 1. Time out areas. This area is used for children that are being disruptive and need a short period of time to sit out of an activity. 2. A verbal waming/time-out will be given to children who do not follow the " rules. 3. After three verbal warnings. a note will be sent home to parents. 4. H child continues to be disruptive. a conference will be set up between program supervisor and parents. S. H problems persist. the child will be asked to leave the program. IDd a partial forfeiture of fees will result 10. When the whistle is blown. stop and sit doWD. 11. Everyone will help clean up. I give permission to the KIDS KLUB STAFF to take whatever emergency (flTst aid, disaster evacuation) measures are judged necessary for the care and protection of my child while under the supervision of the center. In case of a medical e emergency, I understand that my child will be transported to the nearest hospital by the local emergency unit for treatment if the local emergency resource (police, rescue squad) deems it necessary . It is understood that in some medical situations the staff will need to contact the local emergency resource before the parent, child's physician and/or other adult acting on the parents behalf. In case of an emergency, and I cannot be reached. please contact: Name: Phone: Name: Phone: Date: Parent Signature: Child's Name: Birthdate: Age: Address: Home Phone: City: Zip: Mother's Name: Work Phone: e Father's Name: Work Phone: Doctor'sNarne Phone: Address: Oty: Zip: Last DPTIDT Allergies: Medical Problems: What days will your child be attending? MTUWTHF The following people are authorized to pick up my child: The following people are NOT authorized to pick up my child: e e Micki and Steve Peterson 8021 Dakota Ave. Chanhassen. MN 55317 '. 934-5130 25 August. 1992 e Dear Mr. Reugemer, First. lid like to thank you for your hard work and consid- eration in starting up the Kids Klub in Chanhassen Elementary. 11m ~ure the program will be well attended and well run. Many parents will be. or should be. grateful to your department. Unfortunately for me. a part-time worker. it will not be possible to use the program,as it iS,at this time due to the full-time requirement. I fully understand at this time. until your program is well established. it is the easiest way to deal with payment and numbers of children. But. I would plead with you to consider at some future time a part-time alternative for those of'us in that situation. I look forward to hearing new dev- elopements in the future for Kids Klub! Once again. thank you fora much needed program. It was a pleasure talking with you 'at your office and your prompt phone call was much appreciated. Sincerely, ~ E'~ ",,-, R ,..':.... .. t ~.. · ~. x. v .. I. \. e ,... '-' '\Qo'", ~UG .~ ~. :.. ...L . l- ' r~~~' (,,"" c'~;-.',..~h""''::'~ I c.,""lfnfl~~t" MAKE IT NATURALLY YNAT9210 FIILl PIOGIIIMS Oceans, trees. end plants helped Mother Nature create these earthly goods. We'l make seashell BNlkel5. nutty creatures, seed omsments, end for those Of you who would rather .pass. the veggies then est them, we'll make some wonderful teXture prints. There will be other fun nature projects too! Date: September 24 - November 5 Location: Chanhassen Senior Center Age: Grades 1 st-4th Time: 3:45-4:45 p.m., Thursdays Fee: 525.00/6 weeks MiniMax: 8/12 Note: No class October 15 REGISTER NOW ELFIN EXERCISE YELF92 10 e A fitness class designed with fun in mind for young children. Movement and exercise will increase your child's coordination, agility. and rhythm while empha- sizing health. Tumbling. balancing, end use of tight equipment will be incorporated into Elfin Exercise. Date: Sept. 19 - Oct. 24 Tame: 11:0011 :45 8.m. l.Dcetion: Chanhassen Elementary School Gym Fee: $10.00/6 weeks Age: 4S year olds MiniMax: 8/15 CHILDREN'S WORKSHOP: HAPPY HOLIDAY CRAFTS Come end make your holidays memorable with keepsekes you'll treesure. Crute. scerecrow Sam. Gloria/ George reg ghost, end ather holiday -dudea-. Finally. before 0riItmu. you" melee II tasty edible winter wande~ lend treat. Grades K-2nd YHDL82 10 Date: Sept. 28. Oct. 19. Nov. 1 S. Dee. 7 Location: Chenhessen Senior OInter Tame: 3:304:45. Mondays Fee: 520.0014 classes Min/Max: 8/12 Grad.s 3rd-5th YH0L82 11 Date: Sept. 21. Oct. 5. Nov. 2. Nov. S. Dee. 14 Lccation: ChenhuHn Senior Center Tme: 3:304:45 p.rn.. Mondays Fee: 523.00/5 cIu... MinIMax: 8/12 e Cti!Nti!SS[N I\IUS I\LUI3 AfTfD-SctIOOL moGlaM Kids Klub is an after school enrichment program designed especially for elementary age students in Grades 1-5. Kid. Klub provides ....... Extracurricular activities. special events and after school supervision. e Kid. Klub meets ....... Monday through Friday (on school days only) from 3:30-5:30 p.m. in the Chanhessen Elementary School Gym. Kid. Klub activities include ..'M" Arts and crafts. after school snack, open gym games. movies and live entertainment. CJUAJJf[~ ()!l[S September 8 - ITovember 12 (Fall) ITovembar 16 - January 28 (Winter I) February 1 - April 8 (Winter II) ~pril 13 - June 11 (Sprinq) *1CIl:)S lCLUB will not .aet when school is not in .ession. MEME[~SHV fff e 1200 par quarter 1.t child $110 par quarter 2nd child * Payment may be made in full or two-pay. KARATE/TAE KWON DO This popular Korean mertial art teaches students self- defense. concentration, discipline end mentel wel~ being. It provides excellent cerdi0V8sculer exercise to improve endurance, flexibility end coordination. A greet program for bath edults end children. Consult lIChedule for cluB days and times. Students may weer loose fitting clothing or workout suits. Karate uniforTns ere eveileble but not required. Anyone over 6 yeers old is welcome. Teught by highly experienced b1eck belt instructor. Locetion: D.nheaen Elementary School, Large Gym Oe88 size: Minimum 4, Maximum 12 Instructor: Mr. E. Sit Fee: 124m per _ion* . .....on 1 CIe...: Tuesdays '. YKAM2 10 October 6 - October 27. 5:306:30 p.m. Beulon 2 CI.....: lhursdays YKARl2 11 September 24 - October 29, 5:306:30 p.m. ."n 3 a....: Tuesdeys YKARI2 12 Novemebr 3 - December 15, 5:306:30 p.m. No Ous: November 24 Bauion 4 CIe....: Thursdeys YKARI2 13 November 5 - December 17. 5:306:30 p.m. No 0888: Novernber26 25% off for second family member 50% off for third-plue family members "MICROWAVE" KIDS IN THE KITCHEN YMIC8210 The wave of today is microwave cooking! Here's your child's chance to expand their cooking skills beyond the nditional oven. A variety of different foods will be cooked and of course umpled at each clan. Dete: Friday's, September 25 . No- vember 6 Location: Chanhassen Senior Center Age: Grades 2nd-4th Tme: 3:30.4:30 p.m. Fee: $15.00/6 weeks MiniMax: 10/12 Note: No class October 16 PROGRAM CODE NUMBERS DABBLE, DIBBLE, AND DOODLE YDA89210 011I IJ1-'''' Let your hands experience a number e r:I ways to make, play with, or display some incredibly awesome -Keepers-. We'I use techniques like; pepermache', origami,lIimple pup- petry, end different styles of painting. Dete; October 19. NcNember 23 Lacetion: Chanhauen Senior Center Age: Grade 2n6-5th Tme: 6:15-7:15 p.m., Mondays Fee: 124.00/6 weeks MiniMax: 8/12 ,., /IIfn SATURDAY YOUTH OPEN GYM These open gyms are for individuals who would like to practice their baeketban skills by shooting or taking part in a pick-up game. Due to limited apace, aU games will be haIf-court. Basketballs are available or you can bring your awn. e Location: Chanhaaen Elementary School. Large Girn 7610 Laredo Drive Oey.Saturdays Time: 1:(1).2:OO p.m., Girls and Boys Grades 2.5 2:3G4:OO p.rn.. Girls and Boys Grades &a Oetes: October 3, 1992 . March 27, 1993 Fee: $1.00 If the program you are registering for has a code number next to it [i.e. Y JUN921 0), please write that in the appropriate spat on the registration form. To better our programl computer registration procedure. a code number has been assigned to each pro;ram~ ---------------fimfiMn~~M----------~---- Heed of Household Address AlteITl8tive/Work Phone -Please fill in program code number if bted. Parotidpllnta ram. Harne Phone Cty Herne d Perwan It AlIarMtM Phone ..... PI.. 61ft -code ....... Age Fee L tihe undersigned. perent. pretian or perficiper&, do hereby ~ to eIIow h indNiduellJ rwmed herein to perticipete in 1M .tlcM .. mentioned ac:tMty(ieal and I furt.har ... to indamnify end hold ".,."... from ... egeinIt any. end elliIbIty far irpy which nwy be ,., IUffwed by tihe aforementioned lncIMclual(lJ 8I'iIling Cd fII, or in any wtIf 001" leCtifd with, hil/her ~Cl" in .,. eccMty. .......... ...... to: "'-nhessen Park end Recruticln Deper1mer&. B90 CouIt.w r:JrM. o.rt-nlen. MN SS317. PerM Clf' Pltl'ticipert SignIcurw CIte February 19, Volume 1, N A Publicatio Design Cent Landscape,I and Landsu University o Ugly roads are often taken to be one price of civilization, like sewers or police... The authors take a different position: road -watching is a delight, and the highway is -or at least might be - a work of art. The view from the road can be a dramatic play of space and motion, of light and texture, all on a new scale. These long sequences could make our vast metropolitan areas comprehensible: the driver would see how the city is organized, what it symbolizes, how people use it, how it relates to him. To our way of thinking, the highway is the great neglected opportunity in city design. The View from the Road Appleyard, Lynch, and Myer 1964 Chanhassen, Minnesota is a growing city on the western edge of the Twin Cities Metropolitan Area. Until recently, the city was a farming commu- nity settled within Minnesota's glacial moraine land- scape, marked by rolling hills, windbreaks, and maple - basswood forests. With the design upgrade of the main east/west roadway, Highway 5, from two lanes to four lanes, the community is faced with the prospect of new development along the now rural corridor. City Manager Don Ashworth predicts "more decisions will be made affecting the long range imagery of Highway 5/Chanhassen during the next two to three years than have been made in the last 100." The Chanhassen Highway 5 Corridor Task Force invited the Design Center for American Urban Landscape, of the College of Architecture and Landscape Architec- ture, University of Minnesota, to collaborate with the city in developing a vision for this rapidly changing corridor. New development pressure in Chanhassen poses challenges to city leaders serving on the High- way 5 Corridor Task Force. Issues which concerned the Task Force members included: • The community's concern for the vanishing rural character -The impact of the Minnesota Department of Transportation's plans to widen Highway 5 • Community commitment to preserving the envi- ronmental quality and resources of Chanhassen • Current city policies to manage water quality with the aid of a computerized Geographic Information System (GIS) • Land use designation for study areas in the Comprehensive Master Plan. Given these factors, the Design Center and the city staff organized a bus tour to help the Task Force imagine how new development could look in key study areas, and what future decisions need to be made to create and implement their vision for the community. The Task Force knew what it did not want — a typical strip development along the highway, as depicted in Figure 1. As an alternative, the Design Center pro- posed using the local landscape features of "rooms and corridors" along with the environmental systems to enhance a sense of community across the highway (Fig. 2). What started with discussions on the bus tour, evolved into a case study applying urban design principles to a corridor environment. The experience of touring Chanhassen's landscape, and discussing what the landscape meant to the city leaders, became the first step in the case study planning process. View from the Road This newsletter illustrates and outlines the process used for this Chanhassen case study. The steps include assessing, mapping and analyzing the natural and cultural resources, and formulating an alternative urban design scenario based upon urban design principles. These urban design principles propose making rooms in the landscape, making connections using roads and paths as parkways, and making connections using water and open space as networks along the Highway 5 corridor. Together the steps in this process outline the first round of urban design challenges for building physical connections and a strong sense of community across the corridor. Figure 1. Typical Highway Corridor Figure 2. Proposed Highway Rooms and Corridor 2 NBW�°^fe''r PR6Swpss msu. w&s 7TP� Z, - lSSu65 - o(PulvbulJ�s - rpNSjp/yNn DEvEz,o ypB,v7— S(7 A n DN �---- MWnM6- I. f+OV. ;?I I'm l whykrL V!5/ON? AGEMCN�lO/% sruyy I L11M:4Ae611aW7n7-:11)1,�c+ A) 6'KRiu'Alp i �_- g) sl� (�}NNGVIR01✓ 4� G� DrY I MI �'r- vRBm� ��Nb GVLI'vfkM �p'Iti�f!'(�S ! p) EN� I e�jDUPlIf 4 S1'vo� hf�6�1 %DOLs aF �A+-ysis Figure 3. Chanhassen Case Study Planning Process Bird's eye view of Chanhassen on the western edge of Twin Cities development MID- p6'cGwt$6R ---j1 I Shy CA) r �� 2�? • Gir P4WM/dG HN�CG - aA�R+'/IlES - �cws7r<niu75 • /rtPr6aa+II1�17�n1 • CSHPu7E�,C W OYIZONS PVM-UhYr I foMtAnJJ N°65 �rY��A'eG• w!� �p-Us �s E�-n-nyn vc� -a16 LS'SSOA/5 o!o ms cs.,rwv .' �As�e1/>'YJ1pALs P� h 4hBlW�S ,e�f�M,awati7sv E�P&OP41V6- APW F9'iu6�5 Assess the Site Visiting the community was the first step in the process to inventory the natural and cultural resources of Chanhassen. Armed with cameras and sketch books, the research team began to document the corridor from an experiential point of view— including the view from a helicopter, 500' above the city. From that perspective Chanhassen is the link between Lake Minnetonka and the Minnesota River valley. These prominent water systems and the existing highway network, create a critical junction at the intersection of the north/south Highway 41 and the east/west High- way 5. This crossing may be pictured as the meeting point of the city, the country and the road as illustrated in Figure 4, "Chanhassen at the Crossroads." Map the Resources Analyzing the resources of Chanhassen requires looking beyond the natural and built features that are typically inventoried in a GIS system. Cultural re- sources and landmarks are also useful layers of infor- mation. Sketches, photographs, and visual notes can be collected as well as topography, soils and road information. Insights came from panoramic photo- graphs of important views taken by local residents. From these techniques, resources such as the following can be mapped: • Drainage network • Topography • Vegetation and building cover • Roadway systems: existing and proposed designs • Open space and recreation areas • Soils •Infrastructure: storm water, sewer, power, railway corridors • Land use: existing and planned • Landmarks: natural and cultural • Views: from and toward the road • Local and regional context. Fi€ Ex DE LeZend __ -- Water ctramazepath Coming into town from the west ... Combine the Layers Composite maps reveal new information not necessarily evident from the Comprehensive Master Plan or highway road maps alone. Several examples of Chanhassen composite maps are shown on these pages. "Developable Land" diagrams a composite of the Chanhassen land use plan and information gathered from aerial views of existing development conditions. From this map, one quickly envisions the magnitude of change that will take place on this corridor (Fig. 5). "Mature Woodlands and Rolling Hills" Remnant hedgerows, patches of "Big Woods" maple and basswood forests, rolling hillsides, drainage basins and river bluffs create a pattern apparent from aerial photographs and topographic contour maps. A composite drawing of these features reveals the outdoor "rooms" and "corridors" which characterize the spatial structure of Chanhassen's landscape (Fig. 6). "Natural and Urban Landmarks" Cultural resources or built systems also function in the city to form significant spaces and places. Landmarks mapped during site reconaissance visits incorporate historic features, wayfinding signals, local or regional destination points, concentrated or undisturbed natural features and dramatic viewpoints to express important places of local meaning in the landscape. A map of cognitive landmarks depicts the relationship of cultural features within the city fabric (Fig.7). "Existing Natural Drainage and Public Open Space Network" A map of the natural drainage system works in concert with the Comprehensive Master Plan's proposed open space to illustrate how water is a unifying factor throughout the community. Pairing these layers also identifies new opportunities for pedestrian walkways and bridges which help to transform the parks into an environmental corridor system (Fig. 8). Fi€ MZ an, and trom the east Other maps created, but not illustrated below, include the following: • Nodes: critical junctions that gather citizens for a common purpose • Districts: areas described by location, function and geography • Gateways: marking of internal and external edges • Highway Corridor: rooms extending beyond the right-of-way(R.O. W. ) • Environmental Corridor: open space network (linked habitat areas including infrastructure R.O.W.s, parks and drainage ways). By pairing natural systems and built systems informa- tion, an image of the landscape's local character emerges, informing the city's design issues and opportunities. The following urban design scenario integrates these city elements with urban design principles into one alternative for the corridor. Figure 8. Existing Natural Drainage Public Open Space n Downtown Chanhassen district Creating an urban design scenario provides a link between assessing resources and developing a vision for the corridor. To accomplish this linkage, the dis- cussions generated on the first Chanhassen bus trip were continued during a workshop with the Design Center, the Task Force and city staff. The bases for discussion were the composite resource maps, work- shop participant photographs, and the issues and opportunities this information revealed. At the workshop's conclusion, the Task Force members identified their priorities along with new issues to consider. The Design Center used these priorities, the land use plan and the resource opportunities to develop prin- ciples which would guide the design of a specific scenario. The purpose of creating a design scenario was to test, refine and visualize the urban design principles applied to the corridor and provide a starting point for the second workshop discussion. The drawing below shows the Highway 5 design scenario developed from these principles for the corridor. This scenario was guided by the urban design principles of making Rooms and Connections, inspired by Chanhassen's landscape character. A R B O R E T U M !' D I S T R I C T F, £ �— F i %Js a S P' rl ¢ IusEMI-vD¢uc For example, people use indoor and outdoor rooms and connections to order their environment. When outdoor rooms and connections along the highway corridor are made, a ride through the city can become a memorable and pleasurable experience. Such a journey would reveal that Chanhassen can be a con- nected community which extends across the widened highway R.O.W. How are rooms and connections made in the design scenario shown below? Each urban design principle has been translated into more specific rules, using the resources and community values of Chanhassen. The following pages illustrate and explain how these rules have guided the placement and shaping of landscape features, given the planned land uses. A simplfied overlay diagram will be used to reveal each of the principles: making rooms, making connections with roads and paths and making connections with water and open space. First, a preview of the principles and the rules. Lake Ann park district HEADWATERS BLUFF E A S T B L U F F C R E E K L A K C WIEE-K DISTRICT D I S T R IC T L RFSIDENIIAI P.SIDEIN IIAI. PESIDENTIAI. C I11151D1 VllAl- \\ / I nrsl11 "A114.=—R `�i� � �I � oao 5' 't� PARK AND RIDF,I out"" I��_—�_IESIDFNi'IAI=4I /< e 0—CErwnusrnmL IJpv� (.IIRI'DItA I DF'FICF LARK V, \\\ J� C` Itt51DINTIAL / / I ISDFNCIAI. \1�1 nlsmervnnL _ of ICE/ I N III)S IItIAI COItPORATF. OFFICE PAIIK l �ll II RESIDENTIAL. — L j Ir IPA IKS/D SPAGI'. I II? \t \RFSIDENIIAI\\1V ----- i l 1M 4 1 �2 WESTERN GATEWAY CORRIDOR C ILy 6 NEW PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS I III t 3 NEW NORTH/SOUTH LINK 5 NEW COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL (:ENTER I POSSIBLE NEW ENTRANCE TO THE ARBORETUM 4 NEW PARK AND RIDE 7 NEW PARKWAY Urban D `"sgn Scenario for the Highway 5 Corridor A grand oak tree forms the city's natural skyline Making Rooms 1. Use landscape features such as vegetation, topography and extended views which are already creating distinct rooms to make buildable sites. 2. Develop rooms which extend across the highway. 3. Create a series of rooms on the highway corridor. Making Connections: Roads and Paths 1. Consider the connections between significant features in town. 2. Create a variety of road types rather than one large volume highway. 3. Use existing landscape patterns as a framework for creating parkways linking neighborhoods. 4. Make good, buildable sites and insist on buildings that are attractive on all four sides. 5. Design crossings which allow the safe, timely and comfortable movement of pedestrians, bicyclists and drivers across the highway. Making Connections: Water and Open Space 1. Use the water system to shape and structure a series of connected residential, commercial, and open space developments. 2. Protect downstream resources by filtering and retaining water runoff from new upstream developments. 3. Combine water management systems with open space systems. 4. Recognize and highlight the importance of crossing points, where water intersects highways and boulevards. L N N P A R K T R I C T PARKSIOPEN SPACE LTH �_ 1��il A4- OII 6,iNOUSIEIAL PARKS/OPEN SPACE I I✓/y ' _I /� �/ �I I OFF -<;,'_.,� III OFFICE/INDUSTRIAL ter��1/- - "' - !' OFFICEONDUSTRIAL I A/ _ PAItKSIOPEN SPACE ? _ The main street boulevard through the downtown district D O W N T O W N C H A N H A S SE N D I S T R I C T IARKSIOPEN SPACE, I� w I E1 .11..N 1'IA 1. SCHOOL � '.BLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC In "I EAST E R N GATEWAY DISTRICT Adl PARKS/OPEN SPACE 8 EXTENSION OF WEST 78TH ST.- ARBORETUM BOULEVARD 9 NEW COMMERCIAL CENTER 10 NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE 11 FUTURE LRT TRANSIT STOP 12 NEW PARK AND RIDE z. 6 A rural room An urban room Chanhassen has a variety of rooms, formed from its rolling hills, skylines, built structures and infrastruc- ture systems. The resulting composition is a mixture of urban and rural rooms. The room making rules de- scribed below guided the design of new rooms along the corridor. Use landscape features such as vegetation, topography and extended views which are already creating distinct rooms to make buildable sites. New developments can be designed to take advantage of hills and treelines to generate exciting building sites which settle comfortably into the Chanhassen landscape. Rolling hills and vegetation also create transitions between different kinds of land uses. Develop rooms which extend across the highway. Making pedestrian and vehicular links which have similar design elements on both sides of the highway is one way to create rooms which bridge the corridor. Create a series of new rooms on the highway corridor. The scale and type of existing openings and enclosures can be recreated in the future development of the highway corridor. Creating a series of new rooms gives the sense that the road is going through specific places. Different types of rooms can be experienced in a sequence. In this design scenario, the Design Center created such a series of room types: transit rooms, landmark intersections, civic spaces, commercial node. From east to west, the rooms diagramed below are: 1. Transit entrance: introduces landscape qualities that will be carried through the corridor, including park and rides with a shaded and wind protected environment. 2. Landmark intersections: sculpted to mark gateway to main street. 3. Service room: convenience facilities edged by windbreak vegetation and street trees. 4. Downtown: boulevard continued, fronted by commercial retail, service and civic spaces. 5. Wetland circle: ponds with edges defined with wetland and aquatic plant materials. 6. Long view room: vantage point to preview the landscape ahead; signals the edge of downtown. 7. Lake Ann room: a civic park space enclosed by drainage ways, forests and windbreak vegetation, extending to include the business park south of Highway 5. 8. Western entrance to Lake Ann: a park entrance room for future residents and employees. 9. Community commercial center: uses the stream corridor, windbreak vegetation and buildings to build a service node "neighborhood niche" convenient to home, school and work. 10. Upper Bluff Creek intersection: a formally planted entry way with all corners relating to each other. 11. Arboretum Gateway Office Park: centered around a formal wetland planting. 12. Arboretum Gateway: formal, agricultural planted entrance, to include Highway 41 as an edge, comple- menting the plantings of the office park. Together the planted edges make the lake to river gateway. � �II \\ ■ETIDENTIAL II II lL r OFFICFIINDUSTRNL I �l C v� �yi Diagrax,rjglLandscape Rooms This diagram illustrates the locations of the twelve rooms described above. Legend: a �- Edge _ _ the Room Rooms defined by wetland vegetation, windbreaks, drainage systems and farmfields OFFI-NDU-L Mature vegetation Sj Galpin Boulevard winds from the upland lakes down to the river valley A R B O R E T U M HEAD WATERS BLUFF yo— r� �iU fkV E w lIJ /IL6/L . �. _r_ fo f�"%9 �"Nil� Mtt1 71171, E_._; Field notes for parkway design In Chanhassen, carefully designing connections of road, path and water movement corridors conveys the image of a city concerned for the environment and the safety of its citizens. All of these systems must come together at crossing points, making them critical design study areas. In this design scenario, parkways and vegetation connect and protect natural features, while providing alternative circulation systems. H.W.S. Cleveland's 1872 plan for the Twin Cities park system, "perhaps America's finest urban open space network," links Minnehaha Parkway and the Minneapolis chain of lakes to form a "Grand Round." Cleveland's strategy makes even more sense now, with our increased knowledge of environmental systems. Today the strategy has a new name, called greenway develop- ment. Greenways can help structure re -forestation efforts and other municipal improvements by integrating infrastructure corridors with open space systems. Consider the connections between significant features in town. In Chanhassen, the north/south connections are important links between the lakes and the Minnesota River valley. East/west connections create access between the different districts in town, from the downtown and the dinner theatre to the Arboretum. Alternate routes also serve as collectors for walkers, bicyclists or commuters using park and ride lots. EAST BLUFF CREEK D I S T R_I C T L A K E D: Roads and Maths as Parkways �`'+► edestrian This diagram illustrates principles of connecting pedestrian and Legend: nr �`. Node circuits A Grand Round parkway scheme Create a variety of road types rather than one large volume highway. The main street boulevard of Chanhassen is extended into newly developing residential areas to the west. The proposed frontage road continues the planting begun downtown and thus becomes "Chanhassen Boulevard." With lower automobile design speeds on this boulevard, the alignment can follow the topogra- phy and highlight landscape features. Where the boulevard is close to the highway, windbreak plantings act as "walls" with "window" openings. This boulevard creates a circuit with "Arboretum Boulevard" south of Highway 5. Chanhassen's resi- dents have their own "Grand Round" enjoyable for pedestrians, bicyclists and drivers making short trips around town. Use existing landscape patterns as a framework to create parkways linking neighborhoods. North/south connections between neighborhoods are strengthened through parkways, following planted drainage ways. These parkways add to the place identity of districts extending across the corridor. ANN PAR K S T R I C T PARKS/OPEN SPACE PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC p ESIDENTIAL _- ' v- Highway 41 plantings, a model for new parkways Make good, buildable sites and insist on buildings that are attractive on all four sides. The location of the Grand Round road is influenced by the kinds of places that can be created, given the land use plan, road alignment and existing landscape features. Buildings will have a presence on both the highway and the boulevards, therefore the building design must consider views from all sides. Design crossings which allow the safe, timely and comfortable movement of pedestrians, bicylists and drivers across the highway. At minimum, all highway intersections are signalled, including walk lights, to help safe movement across Highway 5. Pedestrian oriented intersections are developed at parkway crossings. Parkways carry lower traffic volumes and include plantings for shade or wind protection. Grade separated crossings take advantage of topography to provide easy movement across the highway. For example, children from residential areas north of the highway will need to get to a proposed school south of the highway, next to Bluff Creek. A highway bridge over the creek creates room for a below grade pedestrian crossing. At a highpoint on the east end of town, a pedestrian/bike bridge over the highway connects neighborhoods to downtown and a new transit stop. These bridges also becomes landmarks and gateways in Chanhassen. DOWNTOWN C H A N H A S S E N DISTRICT PARKS/OPEN SPACE RESIDENTIAL ��I;(Qp�[j SCIIOOL V P�UIIlIC/SE.NI-PU' ROFFICFIINDUSTRNL \V �X. 9 COMMERCIAL /�•', - �__ � OFFICE/INDUSTRGL 0—C.—USTRIAL % -✓ f ' OFFICE/INDUSTRIAL PARKVoPEN Grand Round milli 3y - . � RESIDENTIAL I 1 NLL� COMMERCIAL �1 GI COMMERCIAL \ OMMERCIAL !� / COMMERCIAL OFFICE—DUSTRIAL Z1 PARKS/OPEN SPACE�I y Park and D p. 4cct yighborhood A pedestrian bridge designed as gateway and crossing EASTERN GATEWAY DISTRICT ARKSIOPEN SPACE OFFICE/INDUSTRIAL L t RESIDENTIAL PARKS/OPEN SPACE 10 Upper Bluff Creek F-' Water systems by their very nature are connected. Changes in land uses upstream are transported down- stream, for good or for ill. If the edge between water and land is designed and planted to buffer these impacts, the edge becomes a form -making ingredient. A vegetated corridor along a stream creates the "wall" between rooms. Walls provide transitions between land use. Buffer plantings also create habitat for wildlife, a movement corridor for plant and animal species and place for neighborhood walks. Use the water system to shape and structure a series of connected residential, commercial, and open space developments. Due to the city's position between the lake and the river, drainageways such as Bluff Creek and the city's chain of lakes, beginning with Lake Lucy, form dra- matic diagonal patterns in a northwest to the southeast direction across Highway 5. Restorations and management plans for vegetation along the drainage ways define rooms which extend over the highway. In the Bluff Creek districts, stream vegetation frames long views which cut across the landscape. In Chanhassen's landscape, Highway 5 can be thought of as a " water dam". Retention ponds along the north side of the highway become design features for individual developments. Taken together, the ponds convey the Chanhassen environmental ethic, from downtown to the Arboretum. ARBORETUM I� conronerEwlle Pnn ~I - s HEADWATERS. BLUFF Ca E'&K -D I S T R I C T Lower Bluff Creek Protect downstream resources by filtering and retaining water runoff from new upstream developments. Trees and grasslands at the water's edge benefit water quality goals by filtering sediment, absorbing pollut- ants and protecting banks. The width and composition of such "buffer strips" can incorporate ecological and urban design considerations as well as hydrologic factors. For instance, a buffer strip can be widened to include an active use park, a patch of open prairie or an area where the understory shrubs may be cleared and replaced with mown grass. New development in Chanhassen will cover the land- scape with impervious surfaces such as roads, roofs and parking lots. Increasing the amount of impervious surfaces results in greater amounts of water running into drainageways. Storms sewers move this water faster to its destination in lakes or streams. An ecological alternative is a system of open, planted water channels along with planted detention ponds which help slow the movement of water. This strategy can help preserve the fragile bluff lines of lower Bluff Creek, with its highly erodible, steep slopes and sandy soils. On the chain of lakes this strategy can mitigate future downstream flooding impacts on existing and future developments. EAST BLUFF CREEK D I S T R I C T PESIUENTIAI I II 9 I137 L A K E D I Water avr `Open Space Networks Environmental networks link water and the open space system across the corriaur. Legend: Water drainage path A highway bridge allowing for open space connections Combine water management systems with open space systems. Drainage systems provide the possibility of connecting open spaces, parks and parkways located adjacent to water features. Design of buffer strips along drainage ways can include pathways which allow movement between Chanhassen's many parks. Because the drainage networks cross Highway 5, bridging these low points will provide points of pedestrian or wildlife passage. In addition, bridges rather than culverts permit water to flow in their natural channels reducing downstream erosion. Recognize and highlight the importance of crossing points, where water intersects highways and boulevards. Points where the water system crosses the highway can be a landmark feature for travelers. Design of guard- rails and planting can signal the creek crossing. Near the school, the stream vegetation replanted after highway construction can be managed to allow light penetration at the channel crossing, while maintaining a substantial canopy and mark a gateway to districts such as the "Lake Ann Park District." A view of the water can remind the traveler or resident of the environmental systems and forces which have shaped the landscape of Chanhassen. Picnicking at Lake Ann swimming beach Bluff Creek crosses Highway 5: site of potential pedestrian underpass AN N PAR K DOWNTOWN C H A N H A S S E N EASTERN GATEWAY T R I C T DISTRICT DISTRICT ��, era; r'� i% •'!�•,;� r�+ OFFIC-DUST-L Buffer zone Comfortable walking on a Grand Round parkway The urban design scenario presented here is one possible way to build community across the corridor The process of applying the urban design principles making rooms and connections, has revealed funda- mental considerations for addressing the future of Highway 5. Those urban design challenges which require further planning and study are as follows: • Include cultural and ecological data in the development of Geographic Information System analyses. • Develop rooms extending across the highway through the placement and design of buildings, the city boulevards, vegetation and water systems. • Develop an image and identity for each room. Examples include a civic center, corporate park, neighborhood commercial niche, residential center or Lake Ann area. • Work with the private sector land owners in these rooms to clarify the site planning issues and opportunities which can inform the site review process and enhance development. Sketch of cultural landmarks, districts and rooms • Take advantage of points where urban and environmental systems inter- sect to make safe pedestrian crossings, gateways, environmental passages and orienting landmarks. • Protect the quality of natural systems and create an integrated open space network of Grand Round parkways, pedestrian paths, and vegetated corridors formed along the existing drainage network. • Make boulevards not frontage roads, that connect into the community road network. For example, the proposed roads Chanhassen Avenue and Arboretum Boulevard can express local character and identity. Whatever design scenario results from the city's future discussions, this case study has allowed the Task Force to "see" one vision of the future. Build- ing off the land use plan and Chanhassen's community values, new development can be guided to enhance the cultural and environmental landscape character. This case study process and "The Urban Design Challenge" should be instrumental in the planning of other corridors such as Highway 212 and 41. Credits Funding for this project approved by the Minnesota Legislature ML 1991, Ch. 254, Art. 1, Sec. 14, Subd. 3g as recom- mended by the Legislative Com- mission on Minnesota Resources from the Minnesota Future Re- sources Fund. Additional funding for this study and publication is made possible through grants from the Dayton Hudson Foundation for Dayton's and Target Stores and the Housing Redevelopment Authority of Chanhassen, Minnesota. It is produced by the Design Center for American Urban Landscape, a research center within the College of Architecture and Landscape Architecture, University of Minnesota. © Design Center for American Urban Landscape, 1992. Case Study research, writing and production: Regina E. Bonsignore Catherine R. Brown Betsy Fitzsimons Thomas A. Hammerberg William R. Morrish Lance M. Neckar Case Study Advisors: Harrison Fraker Joan I. Nassauer Michael Robinson Chanhassen City Staff: Don Ashworth, City Manager Paul Krauss, City Planner Barry Warner, Barton Aschman Assoc., Inc. Corridor Task Force Members: James Bohn Mayor Don Chmiel Ursula Dimler Steve Emmings Jeffrey Farmakes Mike Mason Charlie Robbins Richard Wing Tom Workman Refer comments or questions to: Design Center for American Urban Landscape 320 Wulling Hall, 86 Pleasant Street University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 55455 612/626-0333 Landma,, .Tossing bridge along River Road Parkway, Saint Paul