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PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
TUESDAY, JANUARY 22, 1991, 7:30 P.M.
CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE
CALL TO ORDER
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Welcome new Commission ~ember, Dave Koubsky.
Election of Officers, Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson.
Calendar of 1991 Meeting Dates.
Approval of December 11, 1990 Minutes.
Approval of the 1991 Minnesota Park and Recreation Association
Agency Membership.
Visitor Presentations - Preserving Open Space through the
Development of a Golf Course, Joan Ahrens, Chanhassen Planning
commission Member. .
Herman Field Park Access and Initial Development Plan.
Discussion, city Center Park Master Plan.
South Lotus Lake Boat Access - site and Drainage Study.
Lake Ann Park Community Park Shelter.
Approval of the 1991 Fourth of July Celebration Band Contract
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12. site Plan Review, Valvoline Instant oil.
13. Commission Presentations.
14. Administrative Section.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
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Park and Recreation Commission ~;I~
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ;I~/
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DATE:
January 9, 1991
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Approval of the 1991 Minnesota Park and Recreation
Association Agency Membership
Enclosed is a copy of the 1991 agency membership statement received
from the Minnesota Park and Recreation Association and a copy of
their membership brochure. The services MRPA provides to the
professional field of parks and recreation are numerous. Some of
these are outlined in their brochure. I have also attached the
Minnesota Recreation and Park Association's statement of purpose
for your review.
It is the recommendation of staff to continue the MRPA agency
membership for the Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission
through the payment of 1991 dues in the amount of $270.00
CITY OF CH1'\I'IInASSEN
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City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
The information listed at the top of th'isqforrn is What we currently have on tue for you. Please complete the following
information to update our records and for the 1991 Membership Directory. 1_ ~ J
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AGENCY MEMBERSHIP BASED ON POPULATION OF JURISDICTION
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$270 All 40%
$385 All 40%
$495 All 40%
$585 All 40%
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Make check payable to and maD to:
Minnesota Recreation and Park Association
1111 North Douglas Drive
Golden Valley, Minnesota 55422
An Agency membership is open to any organization. public or private. created for the purpose of providing or supporting
recreation, leisure services, parks, conservation or recreational use of natural resources and whose mission and purpose Is
consistent with the purposes of the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association. 'e
When an agency becomes an Agency member, Its professional employees are entitled to a 40% reduction In their dues.
Agency dues must be paid before or at the time of acceptance of professional members at the discount rate.
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MINNESOTA RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION
STATEMENT OF PURPOSE
The purpose of the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association is to promote park, recreation
and leisure service professions within the state of Minnesota. We strive to unite all professional
personnel and concerned lay persons who support the provision of quality park and recreation
services. We strive to provide education about the value and ideals of recreation, and encourage
communication among all recreation professionals.
The Minnesota Recreation and Park Association shall take positions on legislation affecting the
park and recreation field and encourage quality research. It shall support and promote effective
education within colleges and universities and provide continuing education technical assistance
and social exchange among its members.
The Minnesota Recreation and Park Association was founded in 1937. It was incorporated as
a non-profit organization under the laws of Minnesota in 1960. The organization serves members
in the recreation, park and leisure services field.
The Minnesota Recreation and Park Association has served the State of Minnesota in both youth
and adult athletics by offering tournament competition in team sports such as softball, volleyball,
touch football, broomball, and basketball. The organization serves as the focal point for
providing communities opportunity for equalized competition at several levels.
Minnesota Recreation and Park Association
1111 North Douglas Drive
Golden Valley, MN 55422
612-544-1592
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
Coordinator -$
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation
DATE:
January 14, 1991
SUBJ:
Item 6 - Visitor Presentation
Joan Ahrens, a member of the Planning Commission has expressed an
interest in preserving open space through the development of a golf
course in the City of Chanhassen. Through a suggestion from Paul
Krauss, Planning Director, Ms. Ahrens seeks the input of the Park
and Recreation Commission into the possibility of amending the
Recreation Section of the City's Comprehensive Plan to reflect
this. Ms. Ahrens will be present at the January 22nd meeting tb
discuss this item.
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~~
January 17, 1991
FROM:
DATE:
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Herman Field Park Access and Initial Development Plan
This item was last addressed by the Commission on April 24, 1990.
At that meeting, the Commission authorized staff to have the
property appraisals prepared and to enter into negotiations with
the property owners for acquisition of an easement allowing access
to the park. As this process was beginning, the City received a
request from a group of residents in the area to vacate portions of
Forest Avenue and Oriole Avenue. The City Council addressed this
request at two Council meetings and approved a revised version of
this request on November 5, 1990. A copy of the report presented
that evening by Jo Ann Olsen, Senior Planner, is attached.
Two important conditions pertaining to the development of Herman
Field were included as conditions of approval for this request.
There are the provision of a 40 foot easement across the westerly
lot line of Marcia Will Schiferle's property to provide access to
Herman Field Park and the retention of the Oriole Lane right-of-way
to protect existing storm sewer and to provide future trail access
to the park. The easement and road vacation documents will be
prepared, signed and recorded within the next few weeks (Attachment
#2) .
Wi th the issue of access to the park now solved, we can move
forward with initial park development. A master park plan for
Herman Field Park was developed and approved by the Commission and
area residents in 198 and was revised in 1990 (Attachment #3).
Additional information was collected through a survey conducted by
volunteers addressing the desires of the area residents in relation
to the development of the park. The extent of work which can be
completed this spring is only limited by the constraints of the
$50,000 budgeted for development in 1991.
The residents in this area have been invited to the January 22nd
meeting to allow staff and the Commission to address any remaining
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questions they have concerning the development of Herman Field
Park. Hearing these and with the approval of the Commission, staff
will then present this item to the city council for their comment
and approval. Plans and specifications will then be developed and
brought back to the City council and advertisement for bids will
follow. At present, it is anticipated that construction can begin
in Mayor June of 1991.
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
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Chairman Mady called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT: Wendy Pemrick, Jan Lash, Dawne Erhart, James Andrews, Jim
Mady, Curt Robinson and Larry Schroers
STAFF PRESENT: Lori Sietsema, Park and Rec Coordinator, Todd Hoffman,
Recreation Supervisor and Jerry Ruegemer, Program Specialist
APPOINT ACTING CHAIR: Andrews moved, Mady seconded to appoint Larry
Schroers as Acting Chair for the meeting. All voted in favor and the
motion carried.
REVIEW HERMAN FIELD COST ESTIMATES AND FACILITY PRIORITIZATION.
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Bob & Marcia Schiferli
Dolores Zie'gler
Kelly Ziegler
2631 Forest Avenue, Excelsior
325 George Street, Excelsior
6441 Oriole Avenue, Excelsior
6480 Oriole Avenue, Excelsior
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Sietsema: I included some background material for your benefit just so you
can get kind of the feel of what the history of the park is. Basically
over the past year the development of Herman Field has been requested to be
speeded up by the homeowners in the area who were interested in forming a
group called the Friends of Herman Field. That group met 2 weeks ago to
discuss prioritization of the facilities at the park and that
recommendation is included. Basically they recommended that the park, the
first phase of the park include park access, the playground area, open
field, trail development and 50% of the landscaping in phase 1.
Additionally they recommended that the 1990 Capital Improvement Program
budget be amended if it was necessary to, if the cost of these items
exceeded $3,500.00 which is in the current budget. They also recommended
that Phase 2 to include the boardwalk, picnic area, tennis court, lookout
tower, picnic shelter and landscaping and recommended that that be funded
in 1991. Staff feels the committee's recommendation is reasonable and in
order to begin development, we need to then move into acquisition of that
access. The easement between the road right-of-way and the actual park.
As those costs are unknown at this time because we'll have to have
appraisals done and work with the current landowner, I would recommend that
we wait to amend the budget until we know exactly what numbers we're
dealing with. But otherwise, to accept the recommendation of the
committee.
Schroers: Is there anyone in the audience tonight that is from the Friends
of Herman Field that wish to make any comment in regards to this? Would
you please come up and state your name and address for us please.
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Betty Lang: My name is Betty Lang. I live at 2631 Forest Avenue. That
was part of the property that Lori was mentioning as far as access to the
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park. We had talked about some of the things at the meeting that we had
and one of the things that I think I failed to bring up at that time was
sometime back they had mentioned an entrance gate that would be closed like
whatever the closing would be for parks. 10:00 or 11:00 and I would still
like to see that so that it can be locked at night. And also I think we
discussed the possibility of having open fires down there: The more I
thought about it, the less I thought it was a good idea due to the fact
that our property adjoins that and there's no water, no hydrants or
anything down there. I guess that's it.
Schroers: Thank you. How do you feel about the entrance gate Lori?
That's something that could be taken into consideration?
Sietsema: That can certainly be done. The park maintenance staff has
built gates in the past and I don't see that that would be a big problem.
As far as the fire rings, the committee did discuss whether there should be
grills or fire rings. I can't recall that they really came up with a
conclusion. The staff would not recommend that we put in any kind of a
fire ring. At the most we'd consider grills and the policy has been to
provide grills in parks because oftentimes people will bring their grills,
grill in the park and then dump the coals on the ground and walk away and
throw their grill back in their car and then you have the potential for
either fire or kids walking over hot coals. So we have provided grills to~
prevent that from happening. It's just basically something that this ~
commission should, however you feel about it.
SchrDers: Maybe that would be something to consider in Phase 2 of the
development?
Sietsema: Yeah. We wouldn't have to include that in the first phase. I
don't know if anybody felt real strongly one way or another about the
grills but staff again would not recommend having the fire rings.
Mady: And if there's anymore discussion on fire rings, I would like to see
it go to the Public Safety Commission and maybe input from the Fire
Marshall too.
Schroers: Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to comment
on the Herman Field issue? If not, then I would open it to the commission
for any comments in regards to this issue.
Lash: I was a couple minutes late so I missed what, did you say anything
beyond what your recommendation was?
Sietsema: Not really.
Lash: Okay. I just had a couple of questions. One is, what do we have in
the budget for 1991? Anything?
Sietsema: We haven't done a budget for 1991.
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Sietsema: rhat's a blank piece of paper at this point.
Robinson: Did we have something in there? We did a 3 year plan or
something.
Sietsema: Boy, I'd have to go back and look. I don't recall that there
was anything in the 5 year plan. I don't recall that there was.
Schroers: Jan, do you have something else?
Lash: The way I'm understanding this is what you're saying is Phase 1 is
going to cost more than the $35,000.00?
Sietsema: It's very likely that it would.
Lash: So you're recommending a budget adjustment?
Sietsema: What I'm recommending is that you approve Phase 1 as the
committee has outlined it and direct staff to proceed with acquisition of
the access easement that we'll need and when we know what firm costs are,
I'll bring it back ~o you for a budget amendment at that time.
Schroers: Jim, do you have any thoughts?
Mady: Yeah, I just wanted to the plan looks fine. The work of the Friends
of Herman Field committee along with staff should be commended. As to
amending the budg~t at this time, I guess I'd like to see staff go forward
to guesstimates. Get the cost done, nailed down and then come back with a
site. I have a real difficult time saying yes or no to a budget amendment
at this time. We have to, I think as a commission, have to discuss how we
consider budget amendments. Whether this one gets one or not or another
park gets a budget amendment, I have a tough time amending the budget once
it's been in place. I don't know if we have a procedure in place for that
but I would like to see staff get an appraisal done and get the
negotiations going with it because until that's done, absolutely nothing
else can go along.
Robinson: Lori, did the Friends of Herman Field approve of the latest plan
we had?
Sietsema: Yes.
Robinson: They liked that plan?
Sietsema: They were directed, I indicated to them that the meeting was
where they should bring up any last changes that they would like to see on
the plan and there were none that were talked about.
Robinson: Do we have any alternatives if it just becomes cost prohibitive
or whatever on coming off Forest Avenue at the proposed location? The
access road. Is there a second alternative if we just...
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Sietsema: Well if you recall, we looked at, we did a feasibility study on
four different accesses to the park. One coming off of TH 41. Coming off
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of Oriole. One coming off Forest and then the other one coming off of
Piper Ridge. Piper Ridge was not accessible through that area at all. The
TH 41 option was the most expensive and the Oriole Lane was the one where
the soils were poor and we would have to take down the large stand of
trees. So it was the decision of this Commission and also approved by City
Council to do the Forest Avenue access.
Robinson: So the other 3 alternatives are really not very good
alternatives?
Sietsema: No.
Robinson: I have no further comments.
Erhart: I would go along with staff's recommendation~
Schroers: Jim and Wendy are kind of new and I don't know if you had an
opportunity to be, I'm pretty sure that you didn't have an opportunity to
be involved in the Herman Field issue from the onset but if you have any
comments j- regard, we'd be happy to hear them.
Andrel<: _ gliess my onl y comment would be toward later development. and e
that would be what, there appear to be trails through the woods. Would
those be lit at night at all or would that be an area that would be kept...
Schroers: No. I think that our original intention was that they'r~
basically a nature type trail in the spring, summer and fall se?son and
would possibly lend itself to cross country sking in the winter but
basically they would be a turf trail and not real developed.
Sietsema: The City Code states that public parks are closed at 10:00 or
dusk, whichever comes first in neighborhood parks~
Andrews: I'm thinking from a safety standpoint and there probably would
not be a concern then.
Sietsema: The park would not be open at night so there wouldn't be a real
need to have them.
Pemrick: I too agree with staff's recommendation on this and I can
appreciate Mrs. Lang's comments about wanting it locked. If it's on her
property line I think that's only right that we would honor that.
Schroers: Okay, good. I also feel that the recommendation is acceptable.
From personal experience, I'd like to make two comments in regard to
boardwalks. Boardwalks, number one generally cut through prime wildlife
areas and number two are an expensive, very expensive item in terms of ~
maintenance. There's all kinds of problems with them. I don't know what ~
the water level is or exactly where the boardwalk is proposed but if it's a
proposing type of one, the floating type of materials they have seems to
enhance the appetite of the muskrats and they get in there and eat that
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sort of thing all up. The weeds tend to grow up through it and under it
and rot it out and it's really a difficult thing to maintain so I think
that's something that you may want to take a look at. But other than
that, I think that it's fine and I guess I'd be ready to entertain a motion
if someone has one.
Mady: I'll make a motion that we direct staff to proceed with the
appraisal and negotiations on the park access as soon as possible.
Robinson: I'll second it.
Mady moved, Robinson seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
authorize staff to have an appraisal done on the property needed for park
access and to enter into negotiations with the property owners for
acquisition. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
REVIEW REQUEST TO AMEND COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL PLAN.
Sietsema: I had a couple of calls on this item. People who were
interested in being in the audience and I told them that it probably would
not be on the agenda.until after 6:00 so if you would want to hold off on
this just because I know there was some interest.
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Schroers: I wouldn't have a problem with that. Does anyone object? Okay.
Then we'll put that to the back of our packet and move to item 6. ~
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SITE PLAN REVIEW, REDMOND PRODUCTS, INC. /II ~~ p/ll'6,(/~ Ii
S. tsema: This site plan proposal is located, the location of the site is
jus north of the Lake Susan Hills West subdivision. It will be located on
the n 't.h side of what will be Lake Drive. Just south of e Business
Par k. ""-is 51.6 acres that's proposed to be develope . nto a 366,360
square foo'~pffice/warehouse facility. As you may w, Redmond Products
is currently' ocated just off of TH 5 over by.th ress and ABC Lumber.
They're propos to develop a bigger facilit nd move. The Comprehensive
Plan does not ca for parks in this area Lake Susan Park serves the
industrial area. itionally the City s parks in Lake Susan Hills West
directly across the s eet from this e. The most northerly park site
of Lake Susan HillsWes lies dire y across the street. Lake Drive East
will include a sidewalk a g t south side of the road and the trail plan
calls for a concrete sidewa' long the east side of Audubon Road north of
Lake Drive East. So the r 0 dation as there is no, this ins't a park
deficient area, the rec endatto, for staff is to require the payment of
park dedication fees. lieu of paT, nd dedication and to require a 20
foot wide trail ea ment along Audubo.n.oad and the construction of a 5
foot wide concr e sidewalk within the'~ ement and to allow a $3,500.00
toward the tr 1 fe~ for sidewalk construc.' 'on.
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street Vacation of Oriole and Forest Avenue
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On October 22, 1990, the City council reviewed a street vacation
requested by area residents. During discussion on the item, the
residents raised questions regarding recommendations concerning
trail connections to an adjacent park and the location of
utilities. staff could not respond to these items at the meeting
and suggested that the item be tabled for further analysis. The
City eouincil tabled thde 1b'tem until dquestionhms Onte~is)ting utFi11i'tdies e.
and tra I access coul e answere (Attac en .1. On ray,
October 26, 1990, staff met with the applicants requesting the
street vacation to discuss the extent of the street vacation,
location of utilities and future trail easements. We have also had
an opportunity to discuss the matter in house with other staff
members to develop a comprehensive approach t~ the issue.
As part of the HSZ and Gary Reed Subdivision development, storm
sewer was extended through the right-of-way of Oriole Lane and ends
just inside the Herman Field Park. 'l'herefore, it would be
necessary to maintain a utility easement to cover the existing
storm sewer. It was also preferred by the applicants to have a
trail to the park provided through Oriole Lane rather than preserve
a trail easement through existing Forest Avenue right-of-way.
Therefore, it was agreed by both staff and the applicants that
Oriole Lane would not be vacated so that the storm sewer would be
covered by the right-of-way and" 'the -city would also have the
ability to locate a trail for connection to Herman Field Park along
Oriole Lane. By maintaining the right-of-way for Oriole Lane, the
piece of property owned by the Ziegler's (Attachment '2) will still
have road right-Of-way which will allow it to be developed in the
future if desired by the lot owner.
In regards to the vacation of Forest Avenue, it was agreed that
Forest Avenue could be vacated from Oriole Lane up to the access ~
road into Herman Field Park (Attachment '2). The Schiferli's are ,.,
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one of the applicants for the vacation of Forest Avenue and have
agreed to locate the 40 foot access easement for the park
completely on their property. Thus, in exchange for vacating the
unused right-of-way, the city will be obtaining a needed access
into the park. The property owned by the Schiferli's will still
have access from Forest Avenue right-of-way. Should they want to
subdivide and develop the property, it would be the responsibility
of the land owner to extend utilities and improve the street right-
of-way to city standards. Since these improvements are not
necessary at this time for the park, the city is not pursuing these
improvements until they are requested by adj acent land owners. The
ci ty is request~ng that a 60 foot radius be provided over the
Schiferli property for the purpose of providing a turnaround.
The City will be installing an access road into Herman Field Park.
The access road will be extended from existing improved Forest
Avenue and will be located within the Forest Avenue right-of-way.
The access road will not be improved to full city standards until
it is required to serve additional development that may occur in
the area. utilities will not be extended to the park. The park is
designed as a passive neighborhood park and the plans do not call
for provision ~f indoor bathroom facilities.
SUMMARY
Staff is in agreement that the portion of Forest Avenue proposed to
be vacated is no longer necessary to be maintained by the City as
right-of-way. All existing utilities are still being protected by
the remaining Forest Avenue and Oriole Lane right-of-way and the
vacation does not result in any landlocked parcels.
RECOMMENDATION
The City Council recommends approval of Vacation Request '88-4 for
Forest Avenue with the following conditions:
1. A 40 foot easement shall be provided across the westerly lot
line of the Schiferli's property to provide access for the
Herman Field Park.
2. The Oriole Lane right-of-way shall be maintained in it's
current status to protect existing storm sewer improvements
and to provide future trail access to Herman Field.
3. Those portions of a 60 foot radius outside Forest Avenue
right-of-way shall be dedicated as easement across the
Schiferli property for a turnaround.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
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FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
January 15, 1991
SUBJ :
Discussion - City Center Park Master Plan
The approved 1991 Capital Improvement Program designates $68,000 in
improvements for City Center Park. City Center Park is unique in
that Chaska School District #112 owns approximately 10 acres and
the City of Chanhassen owns approximately 3 acres of it's total 13
acre make-up. This being the case, I have contacted Kathleen Macy,
Chanhassen Elementary School Principal, asking for her involvement
in the planning of improvements at the park/school site.
Facilities at City Center Park have been developed randomly over'a
period of years without a specific plan. The preparation of a
master park plan is an essential part of guiding future development
on this site. A master plan will identify specific facilities
which are located at the park and will designate the location of
additional facilities. It is during the initial stages of
development of a master plan that potential changes or alterations
to existing facilities should also be addressed.
site changes and the possibility of purchasing additional land to
the north of, the park/school site were proposed as part of the most
recent Community Center proposal. As construction of a community
center will not occur, present facilities may not have to be
al tered, however, continuing to investigate the acquisition of
additional land adjacent to this site is recommended. The use of
this park during all seasons by youth and adult athletic groups is
expanding. The addition of playing fields to supplement the
present facilities would accommodate future growth in the use of
this park. The preservation of additional open space in the center
of the city is desirable as well.
This item has been scheduled for discussion. Neighboring residents
living within 500 feet of the park boundary and school officials
have been invited to participate in this discussion. The results
will then be forwarded to Mark Koegler of VanDoren, Hazard,
Stallings, who will prepare a concept Master Park Plan for city
city Center Park
January 15, 1991
Page 2.
Center Park. This concept .plan will then be brought back to this
group for further refinement at a future Park and Recreation
Commission meeting.
NOTE: A park map showing the facilities at City Center Park has
never been produced. To assist the Commission in preparing for
this item, I have enclosed a retouched copy of the aerial
photograph showing this area. Commissioners may also elect to make
a site inspection prior to next Tuesday's meeting.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
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MEMORANDUM
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Park and Recreation Commission
Coordinator -;:J!"
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation
DATE:
January 15, 1991
South Lotus Lake Boat Access - site and Drainage Study
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The attached study was initiated by the City Engineering Department
in a response to citizen and staff concerns over the appearance of
the South Lotus Lake Boat Access site. As noted in the background
section of this study, the problems at the site are a direct result
of site revisions to an adjacent development, the disastrous storm
of 1987 and the drought years that followed. Simply put, South
Lotus Lake Park has never developed into the beautiful facility it
should be.
The study outlines specific improvements which are proposed to
correct the situation. The purpose of these proposed improvements
are two fold, to upgrade the drainage and runoff systems and to
remedy the park's unsightly appearance. This being the case, a
variety of funding sources are available for this improvement
project. These include a $5,177.80 soil correction service grant,
$24,000 from the environmental trust fund and a targeted amount of
up to $20,000 from the Park Acquisition and Development Fund. As
the estimated project cost is $40,587.00, the Park Acquisition and
Development Fund portion of the cost would start at $11,409.20.
Increases in this amount may occur as a result of project
additions, cost over-runs, etc.
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This project was not addressed as part of the 1991 budgeting
process. It would therefore, be necessary to amend the 1991
Capital Improvements Program to include a transfer out of $20,000
to establish a CIP Fund from which to draw from in paying the
"parks" portion of this project. I apologize for not addressing
this item as part of the 1991 budget discussions. I was aware of
the proposed improvements prior to budget work sessions but as a
result of my late involvement in the project was naive in regards
to the proposed funding sources. However, considering the
importance of these improvements, coupled with the availability of
South Lotus Lake Boat Access
January 15, 1991
Page 2
$29,177.80 of funding outside the "parks" budget, amending .the 1991
CIP to cover these costs is recommended.
Scott Harri of VanDoren, Hazard, Stallings, Inc. will be present at
the January 22nd meeting if you have specific questions concerning
this study.
It is recommended that the Park and Recreation Commission approve
the South Lotus Lake Boat Access si te and drainage study and
recommend that the City Council amend the Park Acquisition and
Development 1991 Capital Improvement Program to include
expenditures of up to $20,000 as the "parks" share of this
improvement program.
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Mr. Todd Hoffman
Park & Recreation Coordinator
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive
P. O. Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Ref: South Lotus Lake Boat Access
site and Drainage Study
VHS Project No. 90-312
Dear Todd:
We are pleased to present to you the results of our
storm water collection and detention, erosion
landscaping enhancements to the area. The study
accordance with our proposal.
study concerning
protection and
was prepared in
BACKGROUND
The boat access site is a steeply sloped area with a ramp and access
on the steep grade. A parking area was constructed adjacent to the
access on top of the hill. Two storm water detention ponds were
designed into the project to control runoff and sedimentation. The
disastrous storm during the summer of 1987 caused extensive erosion
damage to the ponds and slopes of the recently completed project.
Then the drought years followed which prevented a satisfactory ground
cover to establish itself on the steep sloped areas resulting in
continued erosion and unsightly conditions. As a consequence the City
has been faced with abnormally high maintenance costs and area
resident complaints. The rainfall amounts of this past summer has
allowed a satisfactory ground cover to establish itself in most areas
but some erosion still persists.
The storm water collection and detention system was initially designed
to handle the runoff from a 5.8 acre area. Review of current
topographic information shows an area of 8.9 acres now drains through
the system. Revisions to development plans on the Bloomberg site
added 2.0 acres with 1.1 acres of area added to the site on the east
side of the access road. This additional area has caused the
detention ponds to frequently overflow causing erosion and sediment
depositions throughout the project area. The present drainage
patterns are shown on Drawing No.1.
3030 Harbor Lane North, Bldg. II, Suite 104, Minneapolis Minnesota 55447-2175 (612) 553-1950
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One additional item of background information needs to be pointed out.
Budget constraints at the time of construction for the initial work
resul ted in minimal landscaping improvements. We have included
recommendations for some landscaping to enhance the appearance of the
boat access and related parking areas for both users and area
residences consistent with related improvements at other park
facilities in the city.
ANALYSIS & RECOMMENDATIONS
Visual site observations were made in conjunction with the study of
present topographic plans and the original drainage design. The
visual observations showed the following:
1. Site vegetation is satisfactory in most locations. Some small
areas have bare ground with erosion channels. unsightly weeds
exist around the perimeter of the lower pond next to well
maintained private property.
2. Surface runoff on or adjoining paved areas shows erosion where
bituminous curbs have been reduced by snow removal equipment.
3. Vehicular movements have strayed off pavements causing
vegetation kill and subsequent erosion.
4. The outlet structures in the storm sewer ponds are battered and
essentially non functional due to excessive storms and the fact
that the outlet structures weren't designed to handle the larger
drainage area flows.
5. Appears that some runoff is bypassing catch basins on the steep
drive area during high intensity storms and causing erosion
downstream.
Our review of the present topography of the watershed compared to the
. original watershed showed an increase of 3.1 acres of area flowing
through the watershed as explained in the background section. To
accommodate the additional flow and meet the sedimentation and storage
requirements for a 10 year and 100 year storm respectfully, we propose
to reduce the upper pond outflow rate to lessen the impact of inflow
to the lower pond by the lake. This seems to be a feasible solution
to the problem of the lack of storage in the lower pond. By reducing
the outflow rate of the upper pond, a greater storage capacity is
needed. The additional storage capacity for the upper pond can be met
within this ponds present geometry. An orifice is proposed in the
existing outlet pipe to restrict the flow and a new baffle weir
structure needs to be constructed. The new weir is necessary due to
the 10 year storm detention elevation being higher and the poor
condition of the present weir structure. A small portion of the
existing parking lot will be flooded to a depth of six (6) inches
during the 100 year storm. Any additional inflow occurring at high
water elevation will overflow to the north down the boat access drive.
See Drawing No. 2 - 'Area #1 for location.
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A new outlet structure is proposed for the lower pond due to the
increased area contributing flow to this pond. The structure will
consist of a 24 inch RCP riser with a 12 inch RCP outlet. A hooded
baffle structure will sit atop the riser to provide debris and
sediment control for the 10 year storm. Adequate storage capacity
exists with the present geometry of the pond. General cleanup and
reshaping of the north one-half is required. We recommend that the
sides of the regraded pond be constructed of field stone boulder wall
for three reasons, 1) the steep side slopes make vegetation nearly
impossible to grow thus the sides are continually eroding, 2) to
reduced maintenance and maintenance costs and 3) visually more
pleasing than grouted rip rap or similar materials. The pond would
have an emergency spillway for storm events exceeding a 100 year
frequency. Location shown as Area #3 on Drawing No.2.
The east slope adjoining the boat access is extremely steep and
exceeds the practical limits for maintenance equipment currently owned
by the City. We recommend additional fill material be placed at this
location to soften the steepness and allow the slope to be maintained.
The additional fill could come from surplus excavated materials
generated on various roadway or other development projects occurring
in the vicinity of the site. This work can proceed independent from
the work described in the following recommendations. A master grading
plan is needed to guide future fill placement.
Although the study focus was centered upon the two ponds a number of
lessor items were also evaluated. Our recommendations for these are
as follows: (Refer to Drawing No. 2 for locations)
1. Top dress bare spots and seed with erosion mats. Area #5 and
#6.
2. Construct high capacity inlets along the steep access drive to
collect surface runoff into the pipe system. This will reduce
downstream erosion. Area #2.
3. Restore island area at north end of boat access to include
gravel shoulder material, concrete curb and rip rap. This area
is eroding severely and the eroded soil is draining into the
lower pond. Area #4.
4. Widen the boat access 2 feet in the area adjoining the concrete
ramp. This will eliminate erosion caused by vehicles driving
off the pavement.
5. Place concrete barrier curb at upper island radius and add berm
to west side to control storm runoff and unauthorized parking.
Area #4.
6. Add landscape materials to selected locations around the parking
lot, access drive and detention ponds to improve the visual
image consistent with parks at other locations in the City and
provide screening and buffering to the neighboring properties.
See Drawing No. 3 and 4. Green Ash deciduous trees from the
ci ty tree farm are proposed as a means of cost savings. We
assume the City will plant the trees.
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ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST
Item
1. Remove and reconstruct upper
pond baffle and outlet control.
2. Regrade and clean upper pond.
3. Sod with 4 inches topsoil at
upper pond.
4. Catch basins.
5. 12" RCP.
6. Connect to existing CB's.
7. Top dress, seed & mulch.
8. Wood fiber blankets.
9. Restore Boat Access Island
with rip rap and concrete curb.
10. Dredge and regrade pond bottom
and slopes of lower pond.
11. Field Stone Boulder Wall.
12. Outlet Structure-Lower Pond
13. Sod with 4 inches topsoil at
lower pond
14. Landscaping
Estimated
Quantitv
Unit
Cost
Estimated
Cost
Lump Sum =$ 2,000.00
20 CY @ 7.00/CY = 140.00
400 SY @ 3.25/SY = 1,300.00
2 EA @ 1,500/EA = 3,000.00
20 LF @ 20.00/LF = 400.00
2 EA @ 700/EA = 1,400.00
1850 SY @ 0.20/SY = 370.00
1180 SY @ 1.05/SY = 1,240.00
Lump Sum = 1,950.00
120 CY @ 7.00/CY =
840.00
9455 SF @ 10.00/SF = 9,455.00
Lump Sum = 4,000.00
300 SY @ 3.25/SY
975.00
Lump Sum = 2.700.00
TOTAL ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST =$29,770.00
= 2,977.00
Contingency (10%)
Plans, Specifications
Bidding, Staking and Inspection
= 7 . 840.00
TOTAL ESTIMATED PROJECT COST
$40,587.00
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FINANCING
The proposed project can be funded from the following sources:
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Soil Conservation Service Grant
Environmental Trust Fund
Park Acquisition and Development Fund (up to)
$ 5,177.80
24,000.00
20.000.00
$49,177.80
TOTAL SOURCES OF FUNDS
Compared to the estimated project cost of $40,587.00, there appears
to be a surplus of funds which could be used at this park site or for
other park purposes.
SCHEDULE
The preliminary project schedule is proposed as follows:
Item
Date
Park & Recreation Commission Meeting
City Council - Authorize Plans & Specs
City Council - Accept Plans and Authorize
Ad for Bids
City Council - Award Bids
Begin Construction
Complete Construction
January 22, 1991
February 11, 1991
March 11, 1991
April 8, 1991
May 6, 1991
June 14, 1991
The schedule illustrates the earliest construction period feasible.
We recommend proceeding with this schedule to allow the longest
growing time possible for turf establishment.
We appreciate the opportunity to prepare this study for the South
Lotus Lake boat access. We will be available to meet with you, the
Park and Recreation Commission and City Council to discuss our
findings and recommendations at your convenience.
Sincerely,
VAN DOREN-HAZARD-STALLINGS, INC.
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MEMORANDUM
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TO:
DATE:
January 15, 1991
SUBJ:
Lake Ann Park community Shelter
The approved 1991 Park and Recreation Capital Improvement Program
includes the allocation of a $110,000 to construct and furnish a
picnic/recreation shelter at Lake ann Park. For five years prior
to 1989, the city submitted a Land and Water conservation (LAWCON)
Grant application for matching funds to construct this building.
It eventually became clear that the proposed project was not
competi ti ve under the LAWCON Grant criteria. As a result, the City
allocated $100,000 in the 1990 Park Acquisition and Development
budget to complete this proj ect with no grant assistance. However,
the construction of the shelter did not occur in 1990 which
necessitated the reappropriation of $110,000 in the 1991 budget.
It is with a renewed commitment in realizing the long awaited goal
of constructing a park/recreation shelter at Lake Ann Park that we
again start planning for the construction of this park shelter.
The initial planning stages for this project have been completed
over the past several years. These include the acknowledgement by
the city that VanDoren, Hazard, Stallings, Inc. will act as the
archi tect and consulting firm on the proj ect. Drawings were
completed depicting a potential floor plan and site location for
the shelter. These drawings were used to fuel a discussion by the
Commission on March 27, 1990, which identified potential
alterations and changes in the design of the shelter. Copies of
the original building and site location drawings and the minutes of
the March 27, 1990, meeting are attached for your review.
In moving forward on this project, the Commission will be asked to
identify specific amenities which should be incorporated in this
building. Things to be considered should include, location in
respect to the beach, building materials, floor plan, necessity to
drill a well, restriction of not being able to construct a drain
Lake Ann Park Shelter
January 15, 1991
Page 2
field, etc. The Commission's recommendations will ~hen be
incorporated into the plan and brought back to the commission at
the February 26th meeting for your consideration. If the
Commission's approval is granted that evening, I will move forward
with the process of presenting the plan to the City Council for
their authorization. VanDoren, Hazard, Stallings will then be
asked to prepare plans and specifications which will also be
presented to the City Council. Potentially, a request for bids
could be placed sometime in April, with a construction start date
of approximately June 1, 1991.
This proposed project schedule is aggressive but allows for ample
time to consider all aspects of this exciting project. Throughout
this process, the Commission will be kept informed and will have
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Park and Rec Commission Meeting
Harch 27, 1990 - Page 11
Koegler: Yeah, because they're, compared to normal residential flow for
that amount of units 'on that property or an industrial flow situation, it'
a drop in the bucket so to speak. One comment on standards. I first of
all would agree. I think given the conclusions that you always come to
that I think are reasonable. We probably need to de-emphasize that sectio
a little bit because it's not all that supportive. We can't 'deviate too
far though because there's a certain relationship between the standards th
City has in this plan and the park dedication ordinances that dictate the
amount of land that's required. There's some magic formulas there that.
probably Lori's the only person in the world that understands so there is
some relationship there but I think we certainly can downplay some of the
language.
Sietsema: And I'm not going to share my wealth of information.
Mady: Nor do we wish you to share it.
Andrews: Maybe the point that can be made was instead of maintaining the
ratio through dedication by developers, to look also at acquisition of
sites that are more, of higher quality that as a commission could select
rather than provide it through development. That'd be a way to work aroun
that problem.
Hady: Any other comments? Mark, do you have anything further you need
from us?
Koegler: No. The only other note that came to.mind when you started
talking about parklands. It's our intent that as an appendix to this,
there will be a copy of every park plan that's been prepared so that that'
part of the plans. So if somebody comes in 'who's thinking of moving into a
neighborhood and they want to see what's in the Comp Plan, they also can
see what's planned for the neighborhood parks that they're looking at
moving next to. So that will be a component of that too and I just threw
in a couple of representative examples because I happen to have reductions
of those handy so that will be part of the final also.
Mady: Otherwise, there's a lot of work into this thing.
Robinson: Boy there really is. It is comprehensive.
Schroers: What I was thinking the whole time going through it was, I was
pretty impressed with it.
Erhart: I was too LaTry.
Koegler: Well we'll bring some revisions back to you and if there are any
changes in land use that have an impact on anything that we've discussed,
those will come back to you obviously as well.
Mady: Thanks Mark.
DISCUSS PLANS FOR LAKE ANN PARK COMMUNITY SHELTER.
Mady: We've only been talking about this for 5 plus years and now it's
going to happen.
Park and Rec Commission Meeting
March 27, 1990 - Page 12
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Andrews: I've got questions .on this one too. Maybe they're obvious
questions but since I'm new, you're going to have to answer them.
Mady: We'll let Lori give her staff report and jump in.
Sietsema: Well as you indicated, this has been a dream of the commission
since I think before I even started with the City 6 years ago. And we have
applied for a LAWCON grant funds to fund a park shelter that would be built
into the hill down by the turn around area of the park that would include a
community room, picnic area in the upper level with a fireplace with a
concession stand and restrooms in the lower area that could also be a
concession area but also be the place where you go to pay your money to
rent boats if we were ever to have boat rental out there. The plans are
shown are what we have done to date are shown in your packet and there
aren't any boat storage areas. There are some general storage for
concession and that type of thing. Again changing rooms, bathrooms and
then the upper area, picnic area. Because this item was never really
competitive under the LAWCON grant standards, last year Sue Gunderson
informed me that it was a waste of our time and effort to keep submitting
LAWCON grant application to fund this because it just was never going to be
funded. And so the last year the Park and Recreation Commission
recommended and the City Council approved a budget that would have
$100,000.00 which 2 years ago time was the cost estimate for the struct4la.
So we are ready to go forward to fund this. What we need to do is say ~
this indeed what we want? 00 we want to make changes? 00 we want to make
it bigger? 00 we want to make it smaller? Now we need to get down to
brass tacks. I'll open it up for your comments.
Koegler: If I could Lori, just a couple other comments. This was put
together as part of the packet to try and secure the money to do it and
when you undertake that effort, you kind of treat the front end fairly
casually sometimes and I think it's probably what's happened here. If
I recall correctly, the Park Commission did supply some general input on
these are the kinds of things we should have. Nobody probably ever though
really has looked, and that's what we need tonight I think are some of the
programming details. We've got a picnic area identified. What kind of
groups are we talking about? How is that going to be used? That will
obviously have some impact on the size and the type of space. Same thing
with the lower levels. It's been envisioned that there'd be some
concessions. Some rental area maybe in the future. The changing areas and
so forth. How do you see those being used? How many people do you want to
accommodate there? What's minimum amount of facilities that will be
needed? Those are the kind of issues I think we need to get at tonight.
It's our intent then to bring back to you some revisions starting fn sketch
form with some cost estimates which may obviously cause you to change a few
more things. Normally that's making them a little smaller but who knows,
this may be the exception. So it's that kind of thing.
Sietsema: I think that Todd will have a lot of input on this. He's ou1lt
facility scheduler at this point in time. He schedules the big group
picnics out at Lake Ann. He knows what is requested most often out there
and what the needs are I think as well as anyone so I'm sure that Todd's
going to have some ideas. Bigger. Bigger. Bigger. I don't know if yOU
want to do that now or later.
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March 27, 1990 - Page 13
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Hoffman: Later.
Andrews: My comments would be. I've been active with the Red Cross
sailing program at Lake phelan for about 3 years, 3-4 years and my only
observation is boy, you end up needing a lot more space than you think you
do because your programs expand and new things are added. They do have a
boat rental operation operati ng out of a lower level of a similar -struc.tur
that's shared with the Red Cross and with the city parks of St. Paul. I
think if you're envisioning any kind of a boat operation, it would require
doubling of the size of this building which would probably be cost
prohibitive to consider building it at this time. It's also a problem wit
logistics of the boats. You'd like to have them at water level to use but
in order to deliver the boats to the site on a property with a grade then
you need to have a delivery ramp or a road to get them down to the water
level too so I guess if you're, I think it's a good use of a lake to have
program like they have on Lake Phelan. It attracts a lot of people and I
think sailing programs or swimming programs or canoeing programs are
attractive programs that I think are good for community involvement so I'm
not saying that I don't like the plan. I guess I'm saying that perhaps if
those are things that you'd like to do, that would require a separate
structure or a structure that's not affordable at this time.
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Mady: One of the things we could do is, if we find that we need more, is
in the design of the structure. You just simply build it so that lt's
easily added onto in the future.
Andrews: I think I'd rather see something like this built than having a
wish list that we could' nev~r achieve. This is a nice facility but
literally the boat storage area at Lake Phelan is larger than the entire
ground area of this building and it's not big enough. They've got several
aluminum fishing boats that are used as chase boats. They've got canoes.
They've got sailboats. They've got sailboards and it's literally crawling
over each other to get these things in and out of the water for various
programs and it's a fairly well laid out building so I guess I agree that
think that that would be something that should be considered as a future
construction need rather than current. My other question would be
concerning the dock. We're looking at a concrete pier or something that's
taken out over the winter or what sort of thing is envisioned there?
Mady: I think initially the way it looks Todd, this is the dock that the
Jaycees donated that's on here?
Hoffman: That would go to this .site?
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Mady: Yeah.
Sietsema: This dock was never defined as much more than a regular T dock.
I don't think anybody really got to that point.
Andrews: Obviously with water levels changing like they have been lately,
that's a good guess as to where you should build the dock. It doesn't do
you much good if it's 100 feet from water but, that's the way it's been
lately. The only other thing I noticed on the plan was, if we are
providing a lakeside facility, there is virtually no storage space noted
Park and Rec Commission Meeting
March 27, 1990 - Page 14
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here for supplies as well as no first aid area which if you're going to
provide a -lakeside facility, I think you're responsible, yOu ought to have
at least a small area where first aid supplies could be stored or kept.
Schroers: 00 you have some specifics in mind already as to what types of
programs you're going to run out of there? Is it going to be a basic
fishing boat/canoe type thing or do you envision expanding into sailboards,
smaller sailboats and that sort of thing?
Hoffman: Again, any of those types of in depth studies or calculations of
what would be operated out of there are premature at this time. I think
Larry, yOU could probably give some insight to the commission here this
evening on operations that are taking place at Hennepin Parks which I also
have limited exposure to in the past. As far as a boat rental or canoe
rental operation out of a facility like this, if you had the space
available to store the paddles, the life jackets, that type of thing and
check out the paddle boats or the canoe through the front desk operation
and then stored the canoes or the paddleboats in another maintenance
building during the winter, that would be a very feasible operation so you
could enter into that type of use with this building by not having to
include that extra space for all the storage of those paddleboats or all
that equipment. I, think that use would be very popular on Lake Ann because
of the non-motorized use that is there. I think we'd be selling ourselvi
somewhat short if we didn't enter into this first phase without some ki
of provision for both the boat rental and as noted the lifeguard station or
first aid station in this facility.
Andrews: One comment I'd make about the sailing program because that's the
one I'm heavily involved with, they put through about 450 people a year on
Lake Phelan in that program. It's a super good program. It gets people
involved into a new sport that's low impact on the environment and a very
rewarding and you don't need a large lake for that. We run 10 sunfishes at
a time and 1 chase boat and run about 10 sections, or more than that.
About I forget the number but about 400 people a year which is a nice
program but it does take a lot of storage space and yOU can't, you need
secure storage space on the lake that's very convenient in order to make it
work because so many programs are after work programs where you're only
dealing with limited sunlight. In June there's no problem but when you're
getting into late August and you have to be in the water by 6:00 and be out
of the water by 8:30, you have to have a good facility to make it work.
That's important to really consider that.
Schroers: I agree with what Jim is saying that storage and security is
very important when you get into the sailboats, sailboards, that type of
thing. However, my experience tells me that most park operations feel that
storage for boats and canoes and rental property is for the most part cost
prohibitive. Therefore, they opt to have programs with fishing boats,
canoes, and aluminum type paddleboats that can be in the off season stored
in a compound area. Somewhere that is secure but does not have to be ~
inside a building. The aluminum products weather very well. It really~
doesn't hurt them at all being in the out of doors and I know for a fact
that we store a lot of our boats and canoes outside.
Andrews: There's not the vandalism potential with canoes and aluminum
boats like there is with the sailboats which is a definite problem.
Park and Rec Commission Meeting
March 27, 1990 - Page 17
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recreation center and. kind of keep it pretty simple. The kind of place
that people could come in with muddy boots on and that sort of thing but
then you sort of get into the construction phase. I think 'what happened
with us was that we had formed a kind of a mental image that this was just
going to be kind of, that our facility was going to be something that's no'
real well defined but when the planners and the architects and everybody
got a hold of it, it turned into a showplace. Now we have people coming i
with mud and stickers and things allover them into a nice fancy facility
and to try to keep it looking that way is really a lot of work.
Erhart: I don't think ours is going to be too fancy at $100,000.00.
Andrews: I think my ideas and...about the boating and so forth, I think i
you look at the existing assets that are already there and how could we
spend money that could provide the most value added to those assets that w
already have, then I think the picnic facility probably would. Not a boat
rental facility at this time. The question about the heat would be if
we're, I guess to go a little further on that, if we're going to have a
fireplace to provide heat upstairs, does that provide enough heat to keep
the pipes from freezing downstairs? At this point, all I can say is froze
pipes could be a very expensive maintenance item on a reoccurring basis.
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Schroers: Generally you drain the system at the end of the season. You
just shut it down and you drain everything so that there is nothing to
freeze.
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Koegler: That was the intent here. That the system would be drained
during the winter months. Bear in mind this building was titled, and I
think appropriately at that time, a picnic/recreation shelter. It was
basically a glorified picnic shelter. It was not meant to be a community
center by any means. So I think Larry's comments are very appropriate. I
it's intended for people to be able to comfortably come in there and use
the space and not have to worry that they were in their own living room or
something. Didn't want to track into the carpet.
Schroers: You can lean your skis up against the wall and not leave smudge
marks.
Robinson: Would there be any revenue producing from this facility?
Hoffman: The upstairs picnic area, yeah would be reserved on a fee basis.
Robinson: Concessions possibly?
Schroers: Well how extensive are you thinking in terms of the concessions'
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Sietsema: Nobody has defined any of those program levels. It's such a
conceptual thing that they said, well you know it'd be nice if it could
accommodate cross country skiers in the winter and picnicers could get out
of the rain in the summer and it'd be nice to have bathrooms and it'd be
nice to have a concession area. Well maybe we might want to have boat
rental there too. So we stuck it all in a plan and we really need to
define whether we need to go through a brainstorming session or whatever,
define what programming levels you want to see out of this building and
then go back to the drawing board. Figure out how we're going to best put
Park and Rec Commission Meeting
March 27, 1990 - Page 18
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that building together and then figure out what the cost is. Right now, or
just the sketch that you have, we figure it would cost rougly $100,000.00
but the area isn't big and the concession area isn't big and it's just some
small bathrooms with room for changing into your bathing suit and a little
bit of storage space. As far as the level of programming, it was never
defined so that's really up to you what you want to see in there.
Schroers: Depending on what you offer in the concession stand, the health
department has some regulations that are absolutely unbelieveable. Saying
the things that you have to do. Things that have to be stainless steel.
Things that have to be 6 inches or 12 inches up off the floor and if you
don't know this ahead of time, prior to construction, it can bust you.
Koegler: The concession was looked at as being packaged food products in
order to not deal with specifically health department requirements for
kitches and ventilation and the whole bit. The typical range of snack
foods plus maybe some of the microwave convenience kinds of items. Those
kinds of things can be handled fairly easily without getting into elaboratE
kitchen facilities. So it's basically a packaged concession similar to
what you find around some of the Minneapolis lakes.
Erhart: What kind of a fee do you charge for renting out the space
upstairs?
Hoffman: Again, depending on what' the facility would end up being... 4It
Andrews: Obviously with a budget of $100,000.00 we can't provide all
things to all people. ...facility with some conveniences I think is about
all you can ask for $100,000.00. I think the whole key again is low
maintenance and low impact of users. I think the comment made about would
you want to come in to a carpeted facility with muddy feet is right on the
money. You want a facility that gets you out of the rain but it doesn't
have to be a motel. I think this is pretty much on target I guess but to
keep those ideas in mind.
Robinson: And like was mentioned earlier, designed so that it could be
added on if we wanted to get fancy with it when we've got some more money.
Schroers: Is it your intention during the operating season to have this
building staffed during operating hours? Would there be someone in there?
Hoffman: Yes.
Sietsema: The concession area but not necessarily upstairs.
Andrews: I guess the only comment I'd want to make is with the picnic
shelter idea in mind and with this being a lake front facility, I again
feel that a first aid/lifeguard area should be drawn into the plan.
Mady: A question for Mark. Are there any standards Mark for the numbe~
square footage yOU should available for people in a picnic area? Should~e
be looking at, I'm thinking about sizing of the building. How much space
does a 1,200 foot facility, how many people can we adequately accommodate
in there and my gut feeling is; you get much more than 100 people in there
and you're going to be real tight.
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March 27, 1990 - Page 15
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Schroers: Right. But that.is one way of making a smaller park system lik,
we have here in the municipal situation. We can make a facility a little
bit more affordable by limiting ourself to what we get into but perhaps
leaving an option for expansion at a time that we could justify it.
Koegler: If anything, I guess we need to end up with a plan that has
flexibility because when this was originally penned and I think probably
going back to the time that the 1980 Comp Plan was put together, at that
time Leech's Resort was still in existence on Minnewashta and there were a
number of people that from time to time would say, the City should acquire
Leech's if that ever becomes available because you could have a little boa'
rental deal there and supply boats for people to use the lake. Obviously
that never happened and I think to a certain degree that carried over here
and said well maybe someday we'll want to rent some kind of boats. I thin
at that time it was envisioned to be canoes. It would probably be on rack:
outside or the paddlewheel type boats just for people to enjoy for half an
hour or whatever. But you're bringing UP some good points. The sailing
and the sailboarding and those kind of things that are real popular, maybe
we need to be able to do some kind of a mirror image construction in the
future that would allow cheaper storage space but storage space nonetheles:
for seasonal use if not off season use.
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Mady: I'm going to switch gears a little bit on this item and ask Todd a
couple questions on the structure itself with respect to picnics because I
think that's, at least early on, one of the main focuses of this building
was covered space for group picnics. And Todd, what kind of numbers are Wi
talking about? Should we be looking at?
Hoffman: For a number?
Mady: People.
Hoffman: People? Participants? Generally we've split the picnic
locations at Lake Ann into two sites. Calling them parkview which would b(
the upper hill portion or the walkout portion to the top side of this
building, and then lakeside which would be directly in front of it.
Parkview we take registrations up to groups of 400 people and the normal
size" for a picnic up there is anywhere from 150 to probably right around
300 people per group in that area currently. The number of picnics per
summer in that size group would probably range from approximately to 20 to
25 groups in that particular location. Lakeside, we book anywhere from 40
to 150 people in that location. We book somewhat fewer groups there. 15
to 20 groups per year probably and those are beginning to book up. We've
probably received 15 reservations already for this year starting May 5th
and going all the way through the month of September.
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Koegler: Yes.
Schroers: And will it lend itself to other things besides picnicing?
Would groups rent this for meetings? For renunions?
Koegler: Yes.
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Schroers: For seminars?
Andrews: Is it a heated building? It.s not a heated building is it?
Mady: That's a question I had. It'd be wise to construct it so that in
the future it could accommodate sledding parties. Things of that nature.
It doesn't necessarily need to be heated immediately. One of the things we
need to maybe look at is, in the initial go around. is making sure we
construct enough covered space and then in the future work at putting in
glass in the front. Maybe we just put screen in the first, or not even
screen. It's just open with a railing. In the future you work towards
solid walls and glass and heat and things of that nature but just simply
having a roof over your head on those days when the weather is kind of iff~
and you get your picnic 3/4 of the way started and then all of a sudden it
starts to drip, you want to be able to at least do something on the inside.
Schroers: I think it.s kind of important to really-try to designate or
pinpoint the use. If you want it to be strictly a picnic facility or if
you want it to be an all around general rental facility because there are
other things in the area that you're going to be competing with and people
are used to a standard and they.re going to be looking for certain things
when they come to rent the space. I see this on almost a daily basis.
People come into our facilities and they look around and they say. how ~~
coffee pots can we plug in? How much audio visual can we set up? Do y~
have any built in speaker systems? I mean they.re looking for a lot of
things so I think it's real important that we decide exactly how we would
like to use this facility and then it has to be set up accordingly in order
to compete with what else is available in the area. And also maintenance
should be a big consideration. You would like to provide the facilities
that people would want and yet try to keep it simple and uncomplicated in
terms of maintenance because that can really kill you. The cost of upkeep.
People come in with large groups. Carpeting is going to last like no time
and are you going to plan ahead and budget for carpeting or is there even
going to be any carpeting? Is there a more practical type of floor cover
to use and there.s really a lot to consider.
Koegler: When this particular drawing was put together. the use of the
facility at that time was envisioned to be obviously for picnics. It was
billed as being kind of a seasonal community room. That if a neighborhood
wanted to meet or somebody wanted to meet and couldn.t find space
available, this could be used for that purpose. It had conceptually at
least a large fireplace in the middle of it that was meant to be used in
the wintertime as a kind of stop over for cross country skiing. That was
kind of the limited range of the way it was envisioned being used. You
raise a lot of good points Larry in terms of where will you go from there.
If you have community activities, you need certain levels of lighting. You
need some electrical service available and so forth and do you need heat?
Those are I guess some of the issues that we need to get at the heart of.
How do you think this building or how do yOU want this building to be u~?
Schroers: We get 3 phone calls a day. It.s too hot. It.s too cold. The
people upstairs are roasting. The people downstairs have their coats on.
I'm telling you. It can really get to be something so that's what we had
envisioned in the beginning too was that we were going to have an outdoor
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Koegler: Yeah. I think you get half that number in there and that's
probably going to be as many as you'd want to comfortably mingle with. I
am unaware of any specific standards that for picnic purposes you need you
know a square feet per person. It more is a subject of floor plan layout.
What kind of seating arrangement you can get and then how much other open
space you leave just for people to stand around so I think you can go at i1
from two directions. You can say we need to accommodate groups of 50 to 6(
or you can say we want to build as much as we can with our budget and we'l
get in as many as fit within that framework. That was kind of the way thi:
was approached to say this is a reasonable amount of money. This is the
space we can get for that amount of money. Correspondingly, we can get 50
people in there or whatever and that's where I think Todd's input comes in
that if there's a target number that you consistently are going to be
booking groups of 40 people or 50 people or whatever in here, we'd want to
try to accommodate that number if at all possible.
Andrews: The one thing I've noted on Lake Phelan, which is my experience
area, is that they, instead of building one structu~e to serve all needs,
have constructed a series of structures along the lake. each specialized
for it's function and at one time they used to have one building. Now
obviously they.ve decided that they were unable to serve the needs by
having one building do all things and I think maybe we could learn that
lesson without making the same mistake.
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Schroers: I agree with you on that Jim and that brings me to the you made
about the first aid station/lifeguard station. I would agree with a first
aid area in the building but not necessarily lifeguard because of where
it.s located in relation to the beach. The guards may tend to want to
congregate in their guard station.
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Andrews: I wasn't envisioning it as a station~ More as an area for their
supplies and equipment. Obviously you can't guard the lake from that
distance away so mainly just a first aid room with supplies and that's
really all you can ask for with this location.
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Schroers: We have a similiar situation and it seems like if the guards
aren't continuously monitored or supervised, that little utility area that
they have is where their radio is. It's where their snack is. It's where
their coat is and they all tend to find a reason to get there and pretty
soon it.s a congregation area for the guards and they.re not really doing
other things that they should be doing.
Hoffman: Back to the group picnics for a moment. Of the larger groups
that are there, a number of them currently rent from A to Z Rental,
whatever. big tents to provide that shelter In case of that rain factor anc
we can meet that need by straying from this type of shelter and adding jus1
a large concrete slab with a large picnic shelter type roof facility eithel
on this part of the park or on the other half of the park. The new
addition of the park and meet a large need and then scale this down to
groups of 75 or less. 60 or less and just meet those two different needs
in two different ways within Lake Ann Park.
Mady: Mark, staff, do you need any further comment? Any further directioT
or do you have enough stuff here to work at it?
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Koegler: Yeah. I think we've got a better feel for where your interest
lie. We obviously need to bring back to you something that's a little bit
more detailed without getting too far down the road that we can put some
costs to and make sure that what we're trying to achieve is attainable
within budget. Generally it is but to be refined.
Mady: The way it sounds, we're not looking for a TaJ Mahal. We're lookin~
for basically covered space that you can put something below it and be
used, basically two different levels with two different useages. It looks
pretty good. Anybody else have any further comment?
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REVIEW STATUS OF ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL
',PLAN.
Sietsema: The next item on the agenda is discussion of the Comprehensive
Trail Plan. At the last meeting you talked 4bout prioritization of trail
segments and potential scaling back the whole trail plan. With that
discussion it was obviously important to know what the status of different
road alignments, upgrading different road segments was going to be. I
tried to do a brief synopsis of what was happening. Minnewashta, TH 5,
North and South TH 101, Lyman Blvd. and pioneer Trail. Some of them are
not scheduled for "upgrading or any improvements at all on any schedule.
Others obviously, like Minnewashta Parkway, TH 5. sections of TH 101 are
scheduled for improvements. 00 you want me to go through this or are y~
familiar with it? ..,
Andrews: Can you direct me to where Lyman Blvd. is? That's the only one)
don't know where it is.
Sietsema: Lyman Blvd. is, I'll show you on the map. It's south of the
Lake Susan Hills West.
Andrews: I know where it is. I Just didn't know that's what it was
called.
Sietsema: And what's important about Lyman is that that potentially it
goes straight through Chaska and eventually will be a major connection to
the western cities. We're anticipating quite a bit of traffic to
accumulate on that road as an alternative to TH S.
Robinson: This was really helpful Lori based on our discussions of the
trails.
Sietsema: I hope that it's helpful in determining your prioritization
process and what not. I don't know how yOU want to handle this Jim. 00
you want to go with this background information, go into discussion of the
trail plan or do yoU want me to go more into detail with what's happening
on each road?
Mady: I don't know if we need any more detail on each specific road. ~
didn't see any surprises in here.
Robinson: 00 we want to change our priorities though? I think a lot of us
said TH 101 north was a top priority to us yet there's nothing being done
there.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM:
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
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FROM: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor /.1
DATE: January 17, 1991 ~
SUBJ: Booking the Hi-Tops for the 4th of July Celebration
In looking ahead to the annual 4th of July Celebration, it is
time to book a band for the event. For the last several years the
Hi-Tops have been performing at our celebration and have shown
interest in playing again in 1991.
Price quotes have proven that other bands of the same caliber as
the Hi-Tops have been almost double in price. The Hi-Tops will
satisfy Chanhassen's recreational needs at a fraction of the cost
of other bands. A contract is currently being processed to have
the Hi-Tops perform Wednesday, July 3, 1991 at the 4th of July
celebration. The contract would call for the band to receive
$1400.00 compensation to play three sixty minute sets. If the
performance is cancelled due to inclement weather, the rainout
day is set for Saturday, July 6, 1991. It is staff's recommen-
dation to approve the contract with the Hi-Tops to perform at the
4th of July celebration. If approval is given by the Park and
Recreation Commission, the terms of the contract will be fina-
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PRC DATE: 1-22-91
CC DATE:
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STAFF REPORT
PROPOSAL:
Preliminary plat to subdivide 35,926 sq. ft. into one lot
and two outlots and site Plan Review for a 1,238 sq. ft.
building for Valvoline Instant oil.
LOCATION:
North of Highway 5, East of Great Plains Blvd. on West
79th street (Gateway First Addition)
APPLICANT:
Brad Johnson
Lotus Realty
470 West 78th street
Chanhassen, MN 55317
PRESENT ZONING: BH, Business Highway
ADJACENT ZONING
AND LAND USE: N - BH
S - BH
E - BH
W - BH
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN:
This property lies at the edge of the service
areas for city Center Park, South Lotus Lake
Park and Rice Marsh Lake Park.
COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL PLAN:
The road frontage for this property is
not identified in any segment of the
Comprehensive Trail Plan. Typically
sidewalks are beneficial in a commercial
district, however, they are not needed in
this case.
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January 11, 1991
Page 2
RECOMMENDATION:
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As West 79th street lies in a business highway zone and has no outlet,
it is staff's recommendation to accept park and trail fees in lieu of
parkland dedication and trail construction.
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City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive, P.O. Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317
(612)937-1900
Date:
JANUARY 8, 1991
To:
Deve10I;J'l'leIlt Plan Referral Agencies
From: Planning Department By: JO ANN OLSEN, SENIOR PLANNER
Subject: PRELIMINARY PLAT TO CREATE 1 LOT AND 2 OUTLOTS AND SITE PLAN
REVIEW FOR A 1.238 SQ. FT. BUILDING FOR VALVOLINE INSTANT
OIL ON PROPERTY ZONED BH AND LOCATED NORTH OF HWY. 5. EAST OF
_ GREAT PLAINS BLVD. ON WEST 79TH STREET (GATEWAY 1ST ADDITION)
Planning Case: 91-1 SUB AND 91-2 SITE PLAN
The above described application for approval of a land developnent propOsal was
filed with the Chanhassen Planning Department on JANUARY 7, 1991 .
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In order for us to provide a canplete analysis of issues for Planning Carmi.ssion
and City Council review, we would appreciate your carments and recacmendations
concerning the impact of this proposal on traffic circulation, existing and pro-
posed future utility services, storm w~ter drainage, and the .need for acquiring
public .lands or easements for park sites, street extensions or inprovements, and
utilities. Where specific needs or problems exist, we would like to have a
wri tten report to this effect fran the agency concerned so that we can make a
recarmendation to the Planning Comnission and City Council.
This application is scheduled for consideration by the Chanhassen Planning
Commission onFEBRUARY 6 at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers at
Chanhassen City Hall. We would appreciate receiving your carments by no later
than JANUARY 22, 1991 . You may also appear at the Planning Commdssion
meeting if you so desire.
Your cooperation and assistance is greatly appreciated.
1. City Departments
ca~. City Engineer
I... b. City Attorney
~'~I City Park Director
, Public Safety Director
e.) Building ~nsPector
~:. Watershed District Engineer
3. Soil Conservation Service
/(!-;; MN Dept. of Transportation
5. U. S. Army Corps of Engineers
(i:" Minnegasco
7. MN Dept. of Natural Resources
,{!;~ Telephone Carpany
(NW Bell or United)
~'9 ) Electric Carpany
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10. tx::MDEN Cable System
11. Roger Machmeier/Jim Anderson
12. U. S. Fish and Wildlife
13. Carver County Engineer
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937.1900. FAX (612) 937.5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
Coordinator ~
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation
DATE:
January 14, 1991
SUBJ:
Joint Park and Recreation Commission and Public Safety
Commission Meeting
Scott Harr, Public safety Director, has expressed that he would
like to arrange a joint meeting of the Park and Recreation
Commission and the Public Safety Commission (see attached memo).
He has made this request in response to the inquiry by Larry
Schroers as to the role of public safety in park patrol (see
related memo) and due to the current si tuation in regards to e
snowmobiling in Chanhassen, i.e. increased complaints, clarity of
City Code concerning snowmobiling in the city. Mr. Harr would also
like to discuss the governing of jet skis within the city. The
article of the City Code as it deals with snowmobiles is attached
for your reference.
As the majority of these issues deal with the enforcement aspect of
recreational vehicle use in the city, I am looking for direction
from the Commission as to your feeling concerning a joint Park and
Recreation and Public Safety Commission meeting.
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Jim Castleberry, Chief Deputy Carver County Sheriff's Department
Steve Wolter, DNR Conservation Officer
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
LeRoy Biteler, 910 Penamint Court, Chanhassen
Dave Holub, 6670 Mohawk Drive, Chanhassen
FRCM: Scott Harr, Public Safety Director fu~ .
DATE: Janauary 14, 1991
SL~J: Snowmobiles
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This m~) IS to briefly set forth the results of our 1/11/91 meeting regarding
the issue of snowmobile complaints. Following are the steps that were agreed
upon:
LeRo~' and Dave wi II contact SgLBi II Chandler, Hennepin County Sheriff's
Water Patrol Division, to explore their efforts at snowmobile enforcement
(Scott will plan on attending the meeting as well);
Todd Hoffman will discuss this issue at his next Park and Recreation
Crnnnission meeting, with a possibility of a joint Public Safety/Park and
Recreation Commission meeting to discuss the issue of snowmobiling;
Possibility of scheduling the snowmobile issue for the next Chanhassen Public
Safety Commission meetillg was discussed (that meeting will be on 2/21/91);
Beth Koenig and Bob Zydow~ky will be the primary contacts at Chanhassen Ci ty
Hall to deal with snowmobile concerns, and they will be coordinating efforts
with Sgt. Julie Boden wld DNR Conservation Officer Steve Walter;
The possibility for an aggressive educational campaign, probably next fall,
was discussed;
The consensus was that the existing Statutes and Ordinances are workable.
I commend everyone for their efforts to positively address this issue. I look
forward to continuing to work with you all. Thank you.
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
FROM:
Scott Harr, Public Safety Director
co~nator
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreaction
DATE:
January 11, 1991
SUBJ:
Joint Public Safety Commission/Park and Recreation
Commission Meeting
In response to our discussion
closely together, might I s
Safety and Park and Recreat
to our "busy season" (that'
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sion meeting, hopefully prior
departments).
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
FRQM: Scott Harr, Public Safety Directoil$
DATE: December 13, 1990
SUBJ: Role of Community Service Officers & Deputies in
Patrolling Chanhassen City Parks
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This memo is to respond to your memo of 12/12/90, regarding what
assistance can be provided in patrolling city parks. I under-
stand that Park and Recreation Commissioner Schroers raised the
issue at your 11/27/90 meeting.
First, let me thank you for bringing this to my attention. I
believe this is an area that we can certainly work together on.
In fact, it would be a good idea for us to consider a joint
Public Safety and Park and Recreation Commission meeting in the
future to continue developing this' working relationship.
In referring to the copy of the your 11/27/90 Commission meeting
minutes, you were correct in advising Commissioner Schroers that
Community Service Officers ~re funded through the Public Safety
budget. In addition to such duties as responding to radio calls
pertaining to animal problems, requests for assistance from the
State Patrol and Sherifr'~ Department, etc., they are to provide
general preventive patrol duties within the City. Because we
contract for law enforcement services from the Carver County
Sheriff's Department, our CSOs serve to supplement the police
contract by assisting them in their duties. While much of our
patrol revolves around animal control, etc., we have certainly
had CSOs patrolling parks in the past.
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Because I am in the process of developing Public Safety
programming for 1991, this is an ideal time to address any
requests that your Commission has. I will be more than happy to
include CSO patrol of the parks. You and I could meet to discuss
whether you would like certain parks patrolled more heavily than
others, or if you would like all parks covered fairly equally. I
will make a point of monitoring police reports to determine which
Todd Hoffman
December 13, 1990
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parks are having more problems than others, and keep our CSOs
advised of this (also keeping an awareness of any patterns of
dates/times of violations). I will also request that the Carver
County Sheriff's Department be aware of the fact that we are
interested in the parks continuing to be patrolled.
I hope that this memo addresses some of your concerns. Again, I
think it would be a great idea if we could schedule a joint
Public Safety/Park and Recreation Commission meeting sometime
over the winter months. Thank you for requesting my input on
this matter. I look forward to discussing this with you further.
cc: Don Chmiel, Mayor
Don Ashworth, City Manager
~ill Bernhjelm, PSC Chairman
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Scott Harr, Acting
Public Safety Director ~
and Recreation Coordinator ~)Gf
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park
DAT~:
December 12, 1990
SUBJ:
Role of Community Service Officers and Deputies in
Patrolling Chanhassen City Parks
As can be seen from the attached minutes, Larry Schroers of the
Park and Recreation Commission made an inquiry about the role of
our Public Safety personnel in park patrol. Please assist me in
responding to this inquiry either through a verbal update or a
written response.
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Park and Rec Commission Meeting
November 27, 1990 - Page 20
Mady: I think we were anticipating some things happening down in Bluff
Creek with some of the ravines there could have been expensive.
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Robinson: I think we had a total we wanted to hit that we thought we could
get' away with.
Schroers:, I think $15,000.00 of that was to locate Bluff Creek wasn't it?'
Mady: Yeah. To find out the distance.
Lash: The Eagle Scout's still down there looking.
Hoffman: Maybe there's' a miscellaneous missing there somewhere.
Mady: That kid hasn't been found yet.
Lash: How about the tree farm? Wasn't that in there?
Hoffman: Tree farm? Yeah, it's listed. I noticed it on the 5 year plan.
Mady: We didn't pay anything last year because of the sewer line going
through and there was no reason to buy plantings that year because they
were going to tear everything up anyways so we just didn't put it in the
budget. I believe was the reason. One thing I really want to stress
before we move on is the master plan at City Park. City Center Park. Wh~
I looked at 3 years ago. The reason we even looked at City Center Park for
a community center was I've simply walked in the park just to figure out
why in the world we've got all this land and we don't have anything on it.
I still think it's just a very poor utilization of a facility. We've got
so much area that's not being utilized and we've got so many kids. It's
the highest density area of the city and probably always will be. We
should make better use of that park. We've got kids allover the place
trying to play ball in the spring and not enough fields.
Schroers: I have a question relating to a budget. I'm not sure which
budget. What budget is the community service officer paid from?
Hoffman: Community service officer? Paid out of the Public Safety
personnel budget.
Schroers: Okay. I think that it would be nice to see some of capital
improvements protected a little better, especially Lake Susan. Lake Susan
is looking really good and the only really bad thing when yOU go down there
is all the broken glass and all the graffitti and if we need to budget a
few dollars in order to protect some of our capital improvements here, I
think that'd be money well spent and I would like to see some of these
vandals dealt with and given a message that that's not what the park is
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with our CSO's. Taking a look at what they're currently doing. I know ..,
they.re doing drive thru's in the parks. They only work certain shifts.
Vandalism and breaking of glass and that type of thing can occur just about
any time during the 24 hour period in a day so I think sitting down with
them and taking a look at what they're currently doing in the parks.
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Letting them know that we are concerned and we would like to see some
reports back directly to us. Anytime something happens in a park, they
file a report. We don't necessarily see it.
Schroers: The lake side of the pavillion seems to be a real popular
meeting spot for a bunch of the same group of people that like to drive
their motorcycles on the grass there and have beer parties and then break
the bottles against the pavillion and I've seen the same groups of people
down there several times. I think that they should be approached on that.
Hoffman: I'll address that particular situation with them Larry.
Mady: You might let Todd know after a while what times you've been seeing
them so.
Erhart: Make a call to the City Larry when you see them. Sneak out of
there and go call 911.
Robinson: That really is nice down there though. Oh goll it's a nice
place a~d that basketball court.
Hoffman: Beautiful.
Robinson: It really is. That's a nice area.
Andrews: Todd, at Lake Susan was the boat launch. Was that done this year
or is that for next year?
Hoffman: It will be completed in the spring.
Andrews: There was additional lighting as part of that project wasn't
there?
Hoffman: Correct.
Andrews: That may help some and also create more evening activity there
during the summer months at least.
Lash: That brings to mind a question that I've had about that too. Is
that going to be operated like a Lake Ann with a gate and closed at night
and a fee or is that going to be?
Hoffman: No.
Lash: It's not going to belike that at all?
Hoffman: No.
Mady: Only if you want it to be.
Lash: Well, I mean it just seems like it's kind of a comparable facility
as far as having the ballfield and a lot of other things and it's got the
lake and maybe we need to look at.
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(c) Prima facie violation. The presence of any boat trailer parked on South Shore Drive,
South Shore Court or Hill Street is prima facie evidence that the registered owner of the boat
trailer committed or authorized the commission of the violation.
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(d) Penalty. Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. The
minimum penalty for violation of this section shall be a fifty-dollar fine. The maximum
penalty for violation of this section shall be the maximum penalty as set by state legislature
for misdemeanors.
(e) Impoundment. Any police officer may remQve or cause to be removed an emp.ty boat
trailer with or without the motor vehicle it is attached to from the street to a garage or other
place of safety when a vehicle is parked in violation of this section. Such trailer and/or vehicle
shall not be released until the fees for towing and storage are paid in addition to any fine
imposed for violation of this section.
(Ord. No. 89, n 1.01-5.01, 5-9-88)
Editor's note-Ordinance No. 89, adopted May 9, 1988, did not specifically amend the
Code; hence, inclusion of n 1.01-5.01 as ~ 12-17 was at the discretion of the editor.
Cross reference-Boats and waterways, Ch. 6.
Sees. 12-18-12-30. Reserved.
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Sec. 12-31. Definitions.
The definitions in Minnespta Statutes section 84.81 apply to this article. The following
,words, terms and phrases, when used in this article, shall have the meanings ascribed to them
in this section, except where the context clearly indicates a different meaning:
Boulevard means that portion of the street right-of-way between the curbline and the
street boundary line in platted areas.
Right-of-way means the entire strip of land traversed by a highway in which the public
owns the fee or an easement for roadway purposes.
Roadway means that portion of a street or highway improved, designed or ordinarily used
for vehicular travel, including the shoulder.
Safety or deadman throttle means a device which, when pressure is removed from the
engine accelerator or throttle, causes the motor to be disengaged from the driving track.
Organized race means a race sponsored and conducted by the park and recreation com-
mission, the chamber of commerce, jaycees, American Legion or similar council-recognized
civic groups or associations.
.State law references-Snowmobiles, M.S. ~ 84.81 et seq.; local regulations authorized
M.S. ~ 84.87, subd. 3. ,
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Street or highway means the entire width between boundary lines of any way or place
when any part thereof is open to the use of the public, as a matter of right, for the purposes of
vehicular traffic.
(Ord. No. 44, ~ 1, 1-11-71)
Sec. 12-32. Application of other laws; statutes adopted.
All city traffic ordinances shall apply to the operation of snowmobiles upon streets and
highways, Minnesota Statutes sections 84.81 to 84.88 and Minnesota Statutes chapter 169,
except for those provisions relating to required equipment, are adopted by reference as if set
out at length in this article.
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State law reference-Adoption by reference, M.S. ~ 471.62.
Sec. 12-33. Operation generally.
Except as otherwise specifically permitted and authorized, it is unlawful for any person to
operate a snowmobile:
(1) On a public sidewalk or walkway provided or used for pedestrian travel, or on a
boulevard within any public right-of-way;
(2) On private property of another without lawful authority or express consent of the
owner or lessee;
(3) On any public or private school grounds except as permission is expressly obtained from
responsible school authorities;
(4) On any other publicly-owned lands and ice, including but not limited to park proper-
ty, playgrounds, lakes, recreation areas and golf courses. except areas previously
listed or authorized for such use by the proper public authority, in which case such
use shall be lawful and snowmobiles may be driven in and out of such areas by the
shortest route. Authorized areas owned by the city shall be designated by resolution,
provided that snowmobile operation shall be permitted on all public bodies of water,
provided that the operatioh shall comply in all respects with all ordinances;
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(5) So as to tow any person or thing on a public street or highway except through use of a
rigid tow bar attached to the rear of the snowmobile;
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(6) At a speed greater than ten (10) miles an hour when within one hundred (100) feet of
any lake shore, except in channels, or of any fisherman, fish or ice house, nor shall
operation be permitted within one hundred (100) feet of any sliding area or skating
ring when in use, nor where the operation would conflict with the lawful use of
property or would endanger other persons or property;
(7) In a manner so as to create a loud, unnecessary or unusual noise which disturbs,
annoys or interferes with the peace and quiet of other persons.
(Ord. No. 44, ~~ 3.01-3.04, 3.08-3.10, 1-11-71)
Sec. 12-34. Operation on streets and highways.
(a) No person shall operate a snowmobile upon the roadway, shoulder or inside bank or
slope of any trunk, county-state aid, or county highway, and in the case of a divided trunk or
county highway, on the right-of-way between the opposing lanes of traffic, except as provided
in this article, nor shall operation on any such highway be permitted where the roadway
directly abuts a public sidewalk or property used for private purposes. No person shall operate
a snowmobile within the right-of-way of any trunk, county-state aid, or 'County highway
between the hours of one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise, except on the _
right hand side of such right-of-way and in the same direction as the highway traffic on the
nearest lane of the roadway adjacent thereto. No snow~obile shall be operated at any time
within the right-of-way of any interstate highway or freeway within this state.
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(b) A snowmobile may make a direct crossing of a street or highway except an interstate
highway or freeway, provided:
(1) The crossing is made at an angle of approximately ninety (90) degrees to the direction
of the street or highway and at a place where no obstruction prevents a quick and
safe crossing;
(2) The snowmobile is brought to a complete stop before crossing the shoulder or main
traveled way of the highway;
(3) The operator of the snowmobile yields the right-of-way to all oncoming traffic which
constitutes an immediate hazard;
(4) In crossing a divided street or highway, the crossing is made at an intersection of
such street or highway with another public street or highway;
(5) If the crossing is made between the hours of one-half hour after sunset to one-half
hour before sunrise or in conditions of reduced visibility, only if both front and rear
lights are illuminated.
(c) No snowmobile shall be operated on streets or highways at a speed exceeding ten (10)
miles per hour.
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(d) No snoWmobile shall enter any uncontrolled intersection without making a complete
stop. The operator shall then yield the right-of-way to any vehicles or pedestrians which
constitute an immediate hazard.
(e) Notwithstanding any prohibition in this article, a snowmobile may be operated on a
public thoroughfare in an emergency durin~ the period of time when and at locations where
snow upon the roadway renders travel by automobile impractical.
(Ord. No. 44, U 2.01-2.05, 1-11-71)
Sec. 12-35. Leaving unattended.
Every person leaving a snowmobile in a public place shall lock the ignition, remove the
key and take the same with him.
(Ord. No. 44, ~ 7, 1-11-71)
Sec. 12-36. Chasing animals.
It is unlawful to intentionally drive, chase, run over or kill any animal, wild or domestic,
with a snowmobile.
(Ord. No. 44, ~ 8, 1-11-71)
Sec. 12-37. Littering and obstructions.
(a) No person shall deposit paper, litter, rubbish or debris on public or private property,
or throw paper, litter, rubbish or debris from snowmobiles.
(b) No person shall place obstructions, " including ice blocks, on publicly owned lands or
frozen waters so as to interfere with the lawful use thereof by the public.
(Ord. No. 44, U 9.01, 9.02, 1-11-71)
Sec. 12-38. Races.
No person shall conduct a snowmobile organized race at any place within the city without
first having secured a permit therefor from the council. Written application shall be made to
the council. The applicant shall give the information required on the form. A permit may be
issued upon such terms, conditions and permit fees as the council may prescribe. Upon the
granting of such permit, the provisions of section 12-35, paragraph (7) may be waived by the
council for the duration of the race.
(Ord. No. 44, ~ 10.01, 1-11-71)
State law reference-Regulation of organized contracts, etc., authorized, M.S. ~ 84.87,
subd. 1a.
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January 15, 1991
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Dear Resident:
As part of the 1991 Park Acquisition and Development Capital
Improvement Program, $50,000 was budgeted for the installation of
an access road and the initial development of Herman Field Park.
The increase in the budgeted amount for this project is in response
to the request from the resident group interested ,in seeing the
development of Herman Field Park. The extent of this first phase
of park development will hinge on the cost of the access road
portion of this project. To complete the access road, Forest
Avenue will be extended a short distance from where it currently
stops and a gravel access road and a 10 car parking lot will be
installed. The remainder of this initial $50,000 investment will ~
then be used for park development. ~
This item has been scheduled for the January 22, 1991, Park and
Recreation Agenda to allow residents an opportunity to be involved
in the final stages of planning prior to work beginning in the
spring. Upon receiving the approval of the Park and Recreation
Commission, plans and specifications will be developed for the
first phase of construction.
I would anticipate discussion of this item to begin after 8:00 p.m.
If you have questions concerning the development of Herman Field
Park, please feel free to attend the meeting or to contact me at
937-1900.
Sincerely, ~~
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Park and Recreation Coordinator
Enclosure: Master Park Plan
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As part of the 1991 Park Acquisition and Development Capital
Improvement Program, $68,000 was budgeted for improvements at
City Center Park. These improvements include the preparation of
a master park plan, minor repairs to the warming house, the
installation of a large play area (replacing old equipment at the
school) and general park reconfiguration and improvements.
Repairs to the tennis courts and hockey rinks have been targeted
as high priorities in the improvement process.
To initiate the planning of these improvements, this item has
been scheduled for discussion at the January 22, 1991 Park and
Recreation Commission meeting. A copy of the agenda for that
meeting is attached.
I would anticipate discussion of this item to begin after 8:30
p.m. The input from residents along with recommendations from
the Park and Recreation commission and school officials will be
used to generate a park master plan. This plan will then guide
the 1991 impr.ovement projects and future improvements to the
park.
If you have questions concerning the improvements to City Center
Park, please feel free to attend the meeting or to contact me at
937-1900.
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Park and Recreation Coordinator
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937.1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
December 19, 1990
Mr. David Koubsky
1311 Lake Susan Hills Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Dave:
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It is my pleasure to inform you that on December 18th the City
Council appointed you to the Park and Recreation Commission. Your
term of office will extend through December 31, 1993. Todd
Hoffman, Park and -Recreation Coordinator, will be contacting you
soon to provide you with an informational packet for your
reference.
I look forward to working with you in the coming years and hope
that you find your work with the Park and Recreation Commission
rewarding.
Welcome aboard!
Sincerely,
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Donald J. ~hmiel '.
Mayor
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December 19, 1990.
Mr. Larry Schroers
1020 Carver Beach Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Larry:
It is my pleasure to inform you that on December 18th the City
Council reappointed you to the Park and Recreation Commission. tit
Your term of .office will extend through December 31, 1993.
I look forward to working with you in the coming years and hope
that you find your work with the Park and Recreation Commission
rewarding.
Sincerely,
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December 21, 1990
Mr~ James E. Sloss
9360 Kiowa Trail
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Mr. Sloss:
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Thank you for taking the time to apply for a position on the
Chanhassen Park and Recreation Commission. Unfortunately, the City
council did not act to appoint you on December 18, 1990. Please be
aware that your background would have proved beneficial to the
commission; however, circumstances did not allow your appointment
at this time.
Again, thank you for your interest in serving on the Park and
Recreation Commission. I will keep your application on file for
any future openings.
Sincerely,
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Park and Recreation Coordinator
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December 21, 1990
Mr. James Mady
7338 Frontier Trail
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Jim:
As discussed in our previous phone conversation, the City Council
acted not to reappoint you to the Park and Recreation Commission on
December 18, 1990. For nearly five years you have served the
commission with dedication and limitless energy. In those years
you have offered your leadership and knowledge at over 100 meetings
wi th only one absence being recorded. This kind of personal
commitment to a board which seeks to better our community through ~
the development of park and recreational facilities is truly .
commendable. Your contributions have not gone unnoticed, and the
work you have completed will continue to be enjoyed in many years
to corne.
Thank you for all you have done. Your presence will be missed.
On behalf of the
Park and Recreation Commission,
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Park and Recreation Coordinator
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
Sharmin Al-Jaff, Planner I ~/~
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~
FROM:
DATE:
December 19, 1990
SUBJ:
Planning Case 90-11 Site Plan
In reviewing the site plan for the replat of Chan Haven Plaza 2nd
Addition, it is my recommendation to accept park and trail fees
in lieu of land dedication, trail construction or the acquisi-
tion of trail easements. At present, the sidewalk along the
north side of Lake Drive East parallels the entire southerly
border of the subject property. In the area of park land acquisi-
tion, this site is not designated as park deficient nor would the
development of a park on site be desirable.
AS there is no scheduled Park and Recreation Commission meeting
prior to the review of this site plan on January 2, 1991, these
recommendations are being made consistent with prior action taken
by the commission. Should you have any additional questions,
please contact me.
cc: Don Ashworth, City Manager
INNETONKA COMMUNITY SERVICES
261 School Avenue
Excelsior. Minnesota 55331 (612) 470-3450
FAX (612) 470-3432
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City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive
Chanhassen. MN 55317
The recap of the costs to the City of Chanhassen for our cooperative summer
recreation program is as follows:
ITEM INCOME EXPENSES NET
BEACH
LESSONS $4,961.00 $4,961.00
SUPERVISOR $0.00 $1,288.01 ($1,268.01)
LIFEGUARDS $0.00 $15,497.05 ($15,497.05)
INSTRUCTORS $0.00 $2,529.66 ($2,529.66)
OTHER EXP. $0.00 $2,082.28 ($2,082.28) e
TOTAL ($16,416.00)
Explanation of Services
-Beach supervisor's salary is based on man-hours per beach and includes SS & PERA.
-Swim Lesson income is actual amount coUected for beaches in your city.
-Lifeguards - actual cost plus medicare deduction.
-Instructors-actual cost plus medicare deduction.
-Other expenses incurred for operating the beaches based on man-hours per beach.
The total cost to the City of Chanhassen is $16416.00. Please make the
check payable to Minnetonka Community Services.
Thank you for your cooperation. If you wish a more detailed program report,
please let me know.
Sincerely,
L.Jones
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
FROM: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
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DATE: January 3, 1991
SUBJ: Those A-Maize-Ing Pilgrims Evaluation
Those A-Maize-ing pilgrims was held on Saturday, November 17,
1990 in the Council Chambers. A total of 12 children registered
for the program with the ages ranging from grades 1-6. The
program was structured to give the children information about
pilgrim history, work on craft projects, listen to stories and
sample traditional pilgrim food. -The program time format was
1-1/2 hours, which proved not to be enough time. The craft
project completed was somewhat lengthy. A less detailed craft
project should be implemented next time. A two hour minimum time
format should be administered next time the program is offered.
A total of 12 children was a good size class for one
instructor. To better meet the needs of the children, the
classes should either be split into smaller groups or an addi-
tional person present to help.
The children loved the information presented about the pilgrim
history. Visual aides were used to explain what the pilgrims
went through on their voyage to America. Overhead sheets were
used to show the children the different pieces of clothing worn
by the pilgrims. More visual aides would create a clearer pic-
ture of the pilgrim life style and history. The food selection
picked for the children to sample was excellent. The children
sampled vension sausage, shaved turkey, mixed nuts, walnuts,
pecans, pumpkin pie, grapes, raspberries, green beans and corn.
These foods were chosen because the pilgrims actually did eat
these types of foods when they first settled in America. Overall
"Those A-Maize-Ing Pilgrims" had a good turnout. The children
registered enjoyed the format of the class, especially the food
portion. They gobbled up all the food before you knew it. This
program will be offered again in the future with additional
advertising to attract more children.
CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM:
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
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DATE:
January 8, 1991
SUBJ: Youth Bowling Party
The Youth Bowling Party was offered for children grades 1-6 to
have an afternoon of fun on one of their Christmas vacation days.
The bowling party was held Thursday, December 27 at the
Chanhassen Bowl with a total of 28 children participating. The
fee of $6.00 included 2 games of bowling, shoes, their choice of
either a hamburger/cheeseburger basket or a chicken finger basket
and beverages. The kids took a break after their first game of - e
bowling to eat their lunch. The chicken finger basket was the
overwhelming choice with 18 of 28 children choosing it for lunch.
It was very beneficial having the older children present because
they knew how to keep score of the games so we did not need an
adult on every lane. The children's scores ranged from a high
game of 184 to a low of 12, and everyone enjoyed themselves.
The bowling party really got rolling when Dave Peterson from The
Villager showed up with his camera. Everyone jumped to attention
with the hope of getting their picture in the paper.
Next time the program is offered, the same advertising methods
should be used. Flyers going to the schools and advertisement in
the winter brochure, along with The Villager and Sailor seemed to
inform people of the bowling party. After registration had
closed, people were still calling to sign up. The total of 28
children was more than anticipated for the first year program.
The program gave children the opportunity to have some fun with
their friends on Christmas vacation. Parents dropping kids
off for the party had many positive comments about the effort the
Chanhassen Park and Recreation is making to put out quality
programs, like the bowling party for the children of Chanhassen.
The time allocated for the bowling party seemed to be a little
long. The children finished bowling before 4:00 p.m. and their
parents were scheduled to pick them up at 4:30. This was not a ~
problem, however, as I stayed with the children until the last
child was picked up. The time frame would be better met if a
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half hour would be dropped, making the program 3 hours instead of
3-1/2 hours. All in all the bowling party exceeded the number of
registrations expected and will surely be offered again in the
future.
BOWLING PARTY - YOUTH
Thursday, December 27, 1990, 1-4:30 p.m.
1. Allen, Amy
2. B1oudek, Erik
3. Bode, Megan
4. Brokofsky, Mike
5. Christensen, Keegan
6. "Churchill, Lindsey
7. Ebensteiner, Brandon
8. Heiner, Lisa
9. Koenen, Jeremy
10. Koenen, Josh
11. Landkammer, Luke
12. Landkammer, Sara
13. Lash, Craig
14. Lash, Katie
15. Lund, Heidi
16. Melton, Ashley
17. Olsen, Zack
18. Pekarek, Jessica
19. Rhoades, John
20. Rockers, Carli
21. Rockers, Ryan
22. Roy, Mike
23. Welliver, Nick
24. Willette, Nathan
25. Wilson, Angeline
26. Wolter, Erin
27. Wolter, Kristin
28. Zamjahn, James