1991 12 10 Agenda
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AGENDA
PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1991, 7:30 P.K.
CHANHASSEN CITY BALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE
CALL TO ORDER
1. Approval of November 19, 1991, Minutes.
2. Introduction of Judy Colby, Senior Center Coordinator.
3. Update 5-Year Capital Improvement Program, Community Parks;
continuation.
4. Revenue and Budget Report.
5. Trail Connection, Herman Field Park to Minnewashta Regional
Park.
6. Approve 1992 Meeting Dates.
7.
Commission Member Presentations:
8.
Administrative Presentations:
a. Retirement of Curt Robinson and Dawne Erhart from the
Commission:
Curt RObinson, 6 Years of Service, Recipient of Maple
Leaf Award to be presented by the City Council on January
13, 1992.
Dawne Erhart, 3 Years of Service, Recipient of a
certificate of Appreciation.
b. Announcement of Newly Appointed Commission Members,
Verbal.
c. winter Recreation Program Update.
d. Skating and Hockey Rink Status Report, Verbal.
9. Administrative section.
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CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 19, 1991
Chairman Schroers called the meeting to order 7:33 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT: Larry Schroers, Wendy pemrick, Dawn Erhart, Jim Andrews,
Jan Lash and Curt Robinson
MEMBERS ABSENT: Dave Koubsky
STAFF PRESENT: Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor
ESTABLISH 1992 PARK AND TRAIL DEDICATION FEES.
Schroers: We are going to postpone items 1 and 2 on the agenda and come
back to them at the appropriate time and we'll begin with item 3 which is
to establish the 1992 Park and Trail Dedication fees. Take it away Jerry.
Ruegemer: We'll start out with the memo from Todd. City Code requires
that Park and Trail dedication requirements be established by resolution of
the City Council on an annual basis. The intention of the City Council is
to develop and implement a park open space acquisition and develop policies
to protect the public interest and welfare of the community relative to
parks, open space and recreation. The land acquired or cash paid in lieu
of land dedication is indisposable in insuring that this and other goals
towards preserving the quality of life in Chanhassen are realized. The
basic premise is that 10% of land being developed or the cash equivalent of
that 10% of property be dedicated or paid in fees. The City of chanhassen,
as many other communities, has established a benchmark of maintaining 1
acre of active park space. Active specifies land which is appropriated for
play or activity for each 75 residents in neighborhood areas. The
following formulas are used in calculating the fees from which the
recommendation .for establishment of the 1992 fee schedule is based. If you
go to the back page, we'll just go through. A survey of land cost in
residential, industrial and commercial areas of Chanhassen and Chaska show
that the average land cost for unimproved property have not decreased or
increased significantly and remain on average. Those go up through the
commercial and industrial is a $2,500.00 per acre. Residential by the
formula is $467.00 per home. Multi-family per Todd's examples is $427.00
per unit. That's based on the formulas that Todd has calculated.
Schroers: We need to make a correction Jerry on the industrial/commercial.
You said $2,500.00 and it's $25,000.00.
Ruegemer: Per acre?
Schroers: Yeah.
Ruegemer: $25,000.00 per acre?
Andrews: It's a development cost.
Schroers:
mistake.
That's what it says here.
Okay. $2,500.00 per acre.
That's my
Oh, I see where you are.
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Ruegemer: Okay. With the land values and population data remaInIng
essentially constant, it is recommended that the Park and Recreation
Commission recommend that the City Council establish the 1992 park and
trail fees by resolution at the 1991 rates. Residential single family,
duplex units $500.00 per unit. Multi-family units, $440.00 per unit.
Commercial and industrial, $2,500.00 per unit and trail dedication fees is
one-third of park dedication fees. If you take a look at the attachments.
It just goes through the different cities in the metro area and what their
trail fees are per unit with the wide variety of prices going from $868.00
in Plymouth to $389.00 in Coon Rapids. Also there are multi-family with
the same types of cities in the metro. Also with the commercial and
industrial land. Also for your viewing, there's also the selected
population housing characteristics of Chanhassen from the census from 1990.
Is there any comments or questiqns from the Commission?
Schroers: We'll open it up to commission member comments or suggestions.
Does anyone have anything specific?
Andrews: I think we ought to adopt staff recommendation and leave our
system in place. Not changed as is.
Schroers: I feel that it's obvious that staff has put considerably amount
of effort into this and are more knowledgeable on this than we as a
commission are and I would agree with Jim to concur but what I'm noticing
here is that we are slightly below average. If you take the low at $389.00
and the high at $860.00.. If we were to average the two I think that we
would fall just slightly short and that may be something we want to
consider for 1993. But if we are in agreement to accept the '91, then
we're ready to entertain a motion.
Andrews: I move that we accept staff recommendation and leave our fees
unchanged from 1991.
Pemrick: I'll second.
Andrews moved, Pemrick seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommend to establish the 1992 park and trail fees by resolution at the
1991 rates of:
Residential Single Family/Duplex Units
Multi-Family Units
Commercial/Industrial
Trail Dedication Fees
$500.00/unit
$440.00/unit
$2,500.00/8cre
1/3 Park Dedication Fees
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
Schroers: I'm just going to update Jan briefly on where we're at.. Because
we're not all here and because Wendy and me were absent at the last
meeting, we can't, we have to abstain from to accept the Minutes so we
don't have a quorum. Therefore we decided to skip down to item 3 because
we're not ready to deal with item 2. So with item 3 out of the way we're
going on to item 4.
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UPDATE 5 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. COMMUNITY PARKS.
Ruegemer: Item 4. Update 5 year capital improvement program for comm"unity
parks. To continue working on updating the park acquisition and
development 5 year capital improvement program the following information
has been prepared for the city's seven community' parks. Since community
parks are typically larger and fulfill needs not met by neighborhood parks,
a different approach to their development is typically been utilized by the
city. As such the city has in the past made use of grant programs
available at the State and Federal level. Numberous grants for land
acquisition and development have been utilized for Lake Ann Park, Lake
Susan Park and the South Lotus Lake Boat Access. This office is currently
preparing to submit a preliminary application to the Minnesota Department
of Trade and Economic Development for financial assistance for the
development of Bandimere Community Park in the year 1993. I would
anticipate discussion on this item will parallel discussion on neighborhood
parks with the exception of being less defined in terms of available
funding. At that, if we take a look to our second page we have a work
book. Each community park is in order of alphabetized here and we'll start
out with Bandimere Community Park and we'll go through Bluff Creek, Chan
Pond Park, City Center Park, Lake Ann Park, Lake Susan Park and South Lotus
Lake Pa.k. With that we can start the discussion starting with Bandimere
Community Park for the 5 year capital improvement program.
Pemrick: I have a question on the last part of that. The second paragra.
on the first page about currently preparing to submit a preliminary
application. That's just to apply in 1993? It's not to begin the actual
development.
Ruegemer: No. What this grant is, there's several different grants that
:you can apply for. But"with this it's specific to recreation or community
development. what it is, it is set up by the Minnesota Trade and Economic
Development program. What you have to do then is, it goes on a, like the
Lake Susan project was grant money. Now from that there's a 2 year cycle
where you cannot apply for that same type of recreation grant. So then we
would be available again, actually it would have been this year to get
matching funds in any type of community project going on but now we're
going to be applying now for 1993 for any of the money the City puts up. If
we do receive that grant, they will match that. The grant so that's what
Todd means by getting going on this development process and this
application process. Typically the grants and the applications are due in,
is it the early summer to mid-summer for the following year so we just
missed the deadline for this year. But we'll be continuing on. We'll do
the preliminary grant application next spring and we'll conclude then in
mid-summer and we'll hear something back. We'll be going through that
process and I will keep you updated on that process, of that application
process.
Lash: How long does that take?
Ruegemer: To go through the application process? Typically it goes, you.
apply for the gr~~ts in summer. Typically you hear something in late
September. They'll award, they like to get everybody together and go
through the different, how the grant was developed and how you're going to
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be using the money. Kind of screen people just to make sure that what they.
applied for is actually the project that they're going to complete. So
they will go through that and that's about in December is when they do
that. Then in February they'll get everybody together again for like a
final orientation so to speak just to get everyone familiar with the grant
and how it works. So it's a fairly lengthy process but it's well worth it
if you can get some matching grants.
Andrews: Do we have a master plan of any type of Bandimere?
Schroers: It says a concept master plan was prepared in 1989 and that was
at a cost of $1,500.00 and I guess for us to go ahead with this work
program here, it would be really helpful to have that master park plan to
look at. Currently as it exists, there's absolutely nothing in Bandimere
Community Park. What we're going to need to do is prioritize what we would
like to see done first and I'm not sure if the concept master plan has
phases of construction outlined on it or not.
Pemrick: There were also two plans. A Plan A and a Plan B depending on
the pipeline. That would be accommodated. Has that been established
whether the pipeline's going to, to sway it to A or to B. There was
supposed to be some communication with William's Pipeline.
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Lash: We haven't heard anything back on that.
Schroers: I think what I heard was the pipeline was buried to a point that
it should not interfere with any of our construction plans.
Erhart: Even with the grading Larry?
Schroers: Yes,
Erhart: Because they have to go kind of.
Lash: Actually what I thought the problem was with the grading and the
landscaping that we needed to do, was in some areas it would end up being
too deep and it needs to be...inaccessible in case they need to get at it.
Erhart: That's what I remember hearing too.
Schroers: I guess I don't know specifically where we're at with that. I
seem to recall something about the depth of the pipeline was checked and
that it shouldn't interfere with our development plans but I can't, I don't
have anything substantial to verify that.
Lash:
all see
the one
quite a
We maybe need to check into and also look back into, maybe we should
because I remember back when we discussed that, it was Sue Boyt was.
that brought up communicating with William's Pipeline so it's been
while.
. Erhart: I also thought they weren't getting back to the City.
Lash: But I think maybe we need to see both plans again and let this
Commission decide again which one they think because we've got a lot of new
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people.
Andrews: Obviously if we're talking about submitting for a grant, I think
we ought to have some concept about what it is we're working towards and
what the timeline is that we're working with.
Lash: The facilities I think were pretty much the same from A to B. It
was just the layout and that was affected by the pipeline wasn't it?
Andrews: We definitely have to have reliable information regarding this
pipeline. And if that means we need to recontact Williams and either get
somebody from the company here or respond to a direct question. What is
it?
Erhart: I'm sure Todd can answer that.
Andrews: Well we need to have that I think so I'd like to see us defer on
Bandimere until we get that information.
Schroers: Okay. The only information that we have is for rough grading in
1992. There's a cost estimate of $10,000.00 and for general improvements,
$300,000.00 for a total of $310,000.00. Without specific information here
to guide us, I would agree that I don't think we can pursue anything here
that would have any credibility. So let's go over Bandimere and I think
the same is true for Bluff Creek. We don't have information on Bluff .
Creek. We don't a concept.plan I don't believe for Bluff Creek. We have .
trail improvements for $15,000. Road access for $10,000.00 and land
acq~isition for $50,000.00 for a total of $75,000.00. That's from 1992 and
on into the future and again, we don't have any criteria to base any
meaningful discussion on it.
Andrews: When was that land acquired?
Schroers: I don't know that it's all been acquired. There's $50,000.00
plugged into 1992 and beyond for acquisition.
Andrews: I mean is this park currently city property or is this a planned
park that we hope to make it city property?
Schroers: Planned.
Andrews: Okay. That's what I thought. I just thought, gee I didn't know
we already owned this thing.
Schroers: Right now it's referred to as the Bluff Creek Watershed.
Lash: There was talk, when we toured that last spring and there were
Council members there and there was talk about the golf course and the
hopes that maybe the City would look into acquiring that plus the property.
I've never heard anything back on that.
Andrews: The economic climate is not going to allow that.
the next few years.
At least for .-
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Lash: The City?
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Schroers: Okay, so in regards to Bluff Creek, we're also going to put that
on hold pending further relative information that will enable us to
actively pursue something credible in regards to Bluff Creek Park. Okay.
We can move on to Chanhassen Pond Park. Now we're getting somewhere. We
do have on street parking. We have trails, bituminous and turf and we have
one park sign. Can't imagine that we need anything else. Our intent with
Chanhassen Pond Park was to have that basically a passive use park.
Primarily natural area with a walking, hiking type trail around the pond
that was going to be either turf or ~n aggregate trail and I believe the
turf trail has been mowed. It basically hasn't had any grading of any
kind. It's just been rough mowed so people could walk around the lake
without having to fight their way through the vegetation. But there's been
no grading done on the trail. There was also talk of putting a couple of
picnic tables in so people could sit and relax and a wooden type
observation bench that would overlook the pond where people could just sit
and relax and observe the various wildlife views in the pond. Also, there
was talk of putting up some wood duck nests and possibly bluebird houses
and things of that n?ture. I think we were pretty on track with what we
wanted to do there. We wanted to have a couple of nice amenities like the
overlook bench and the picnic tables and we would like to do something for
the area to enhance it's richness like bluebird houses and wood duck houses
and that sort of thing but we didn't want to over develop. We didn't want
to put in an asphalt trail and even an aggregate trail. We felt that might
be a little overkill in the area. Because of the steep terrain surrounding
the pond and that sort of thing, an aggregate trail would lend itself to a
washing out and that sort of thing whereas a turf trail would prevent
erosion and sediment from going into the pond and that sort of thing so we
just basically wanted to maintain turf trail. Put in a couple of picnic
tables. Probably up on top where it's good viewing and there are some nice
oak trees there so they could be somewhat shaded.
Lash: I think that's been done hasn't it?
Schroers: I don't know if the picnic tables are actually there or not and
I should know because I go along that trail all the time.
Lash: I was thinking that those had been added but.
Schroers: I don't think the picnic tables are in place personally. And
there was also talk of having a sliding hill there which is, it's a good
idea. It's a good location for a sliding hill but the residents who live
on the southeast side tend to slide right out of their backyards. I don't
think that we really need to do anything in terms of a formal sliding hill
other than maybe making sure that there's an area clear and.putting up
signs that would indicate sliding permitted at your own risk between signs
so we know that we have a safe area that people can slide in and from that
point on it's up to Mother Nature to provide the snow to make adequate
sliding and it's not something that we would spend a lot of time or money
on maintaining.
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Andrews: Let's do it.
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Erhart: Yeah, the bird houses. The picnic tables.
Ruegemer: Do we also need to take a look at existing, like the steps that
are existing there and the Boy Scout bridges. We do need to do maintenance
on those? Upkeep?
Schroers: I think that is as warranted. You know, I think that the
maintenance crew should at some point in time however often, maybe you know
once a month during the summer take a look at the steps and at the bridges
to make sure they're in good repair and that there isn't a safety concern.
Lash: I thought we had the bird houses and stuff down there already too.
Didn't an Eagle Scout or something do wood duck houses?
Ruegemer: Ther8 are some wood duck houses down there.
Lash: Blue bird too?
Schroers: I think there are some wood duck houses. I don't know about
blue bird but I think that is the sort of a thing where an Audubon club or
bird ~Jatchers or another Scout project or something like that could go and
construct it or take it on as a project and I don't think it's anything
that we need to earmark money or time and labor for.
Erhart: How about the observation deck Larry? Would that be a project f~
somebody or is that something?
SChrOel"s: That observation bench certainly would make a good Eagle
project. It is also something that we could do if we just wanted to get it
in place. One ~f the things that we should probably consider is that we
have so much to do and so much that we want to do. Things that are
affordable and can be done with the resources that are now available to us,
we should go ahead and do so we're gaining some ground and we're making
some accomplishments. I can't imagin~ that even if we have to purchase a
bench and have it installed that we would be talking over $500.00.
Robinson: It looks like in 1988, according to our 5 year
assume it was done in 1988 because it goes out 5 years.
spend $400.00 on wood duck houses in 1989 and $600.00 on
it is 1991, almost 1992 and we still haven't done that.
plan there, I
We were going to
benches. And here
Lash: Well how do we know if we've done it or not?
Rugemer: It should be in the, if you look on the next page. It should be
on the inventory sheet.
Lash: You're talking about benches. Was that up on the top like along
Kerber?
Schroers: Yeah.
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Lash: There is something up there. I know I walk past there and it seems
like some things have been done but I can't- say exactly what I've seen.
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Andrews: Are you talking like an observation deck?
Schroers: No. No. Just a bench. Just a bench for sitting on and over
looking the pond. So you can just sit there and relax. If we're talking
an observation deck, then we're generally talking about something, a
structure that extends out over the hill, that's elevated and that sort of
thing and then we're getting into a whole more dollars and something.
Andrews: That's why I asked the question. I wanted to make sure I
understood what we're talking about.
Schroers: Just a bench that will accommodate 2 or 3 people to sit on and
just relax and take in the vista.
Andrews: I think we've got to get the benches done. We've been talking
about it for 4 years.
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Schroers: I think what we want to do is ask staff to giv~ us a current
inventory on what is going on there and to give staff the okay to go ahead
with the benches if they're not in place. To also, if we feel that you
want to designate an area for sliding, that we need to send the maintenance
crew down there who would be the most, have the most expertise on that and
have them choose what they feel is the safest, best area to slide and make
sure that it's free of obstacles. Branches, old posts, barbed wire, that
sort of thing and make sure that it's unobstructed and safe. Then just
install a couple of signs that say sliding permitted between the signs at
your own risk,
Erhart: Do we want to give them permission also to go ahead with getting
some tables budgeted for' that area? Or do we want to hold off on that?
Schroers: No, I think we want to get the picnic tables in place also.
They're not major cost items and we'd like to get Chan Pond Park up and
running. Up to speed and then we can go on with needs in other areas.
Andrews: Let's do it.
Ruegemer: Do you want to put a cap on the benches? Just to go ahead and
do it and earmark so much.
Schroers: I think it needs to be decided whether we want one or two
benches and then I would think that it would be unrealistic to spend more
than $500.00 per bench including having them in place.
Andrews: Set a $1,000.00 limit.
Schroers: $1,000.00 limit for two or $500.00 limit for one.
Andrews: Okay.
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Lash: I see that there was erosion correction in 1991 and then also there
was budgeted for 1992 plus, another $2,000.00. Is that something we need
to continue to budget money for erosion correction every so many years?
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Schroers: I think that should be on an as needed basis. . I think that the
maintenance staff should bring that to our attention. When it occurs and
we should at ~hat point in time make a decision on it. Something like that
is totally dependent on what the weather does and it's hard to.
Lash: I thought maybe it was an ongoing problem just because it had been
slated a couple different times.
Schroers: Maybe it's incorrect. What we're going to have to do at this
point is stop our discussion of the 5 year capital improvement program here
and we're going to have to go back to item 1 and item 2. Item 1 we can get
out of the way real fast now that we have a quorum here so let's go to that
quickly.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Robinson moved, Lash seconded to approve the Minutes
of the Pal"k and Recreation Commission dated October 22, 1991 as amended.
Wendy Pemrick was absent from the meeting so her name should be deleted
wherever it appears. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION APPLICATION INTERVIEWS.
Schroers: Briefly, before Jan and Curt were here, the criteria is here.
The list of questions is here. Last time we used a numerical scoring
system with 1 to 10. Giving each applicant a numerical score. At the en.
we added up the scores and the highest score was the first appointed, or
the first recommended. The second highest score was the second
recommended. We used a scoring system of 1 to 10 last time. I would say
that we could drop that down to 1 to 5 and simplify it a little bit. And
then what we do is we make it rather informal as not to intimidate the
.applicants. We just move the tables together and gather the chairs around
the table and have them come in and sit down. What our mission here is to
be fair and to ask the same questions of each applicant in the same way so
they have a fair and equal chance to respond to each question and then we
just use our own best judgment and attach a numerical score to each person.
Lash: With 5 being the best?
Schroers: 5 being the best and 1 being the lowest and there is no zero.
.If they showed up they get 1 point.
(The Commission outlined the procedures for interviewing the applicants.)
FRED BERG:
Schroers: This is going to be quite informal. We want you to be
comfortable. What we have is, we have some criteria that we base our
application process on and a list of questions. We ask each applicant a
list of questions in the same manner and then we have a scoring system by
which we score and the two people that have the high scores will be the
people that get recommended to Council for approval. Generally speaking.
that's.. .so we're not going to waste anymore time. We're going to jump
right into it and we'll take our questions in turn. I will start with the
first question. And that is' a pretty simple one. Do you feel.you have the
time to make the commitment? We meet once a month and there is some
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preparation work involved. We get an information packet that varies in...
but it takes a little time to review the material ~nd then attend a meeting
once a month and there are other things that come up during the course of
the year that aren't required of us but we feel it's our obligation to get
somewhat involved and help out where we can. Like the 4th of July
celebration. A couple people donate a couple hours and then... Do you
feel that you have the time?
Fred Berg: Yeah I do. It's a question I weighed before I submitted by
application. Particularly the second time. I have two daughters, a 12
year old and almost a 7 year old and they're at a point now where they're
not spending quite as much time at home. I coached for 10 years up at
the High School. I assisted in Girls Basketball and quit that a few years
ago because of the time commitment. This appeals to me. ..because it isn't
the same kind of time. That was 5 nights a week. Two of those nights were
10:30-11:00 at night before I got home. Yeah, to answer very simply, I
think I can make that time commitment. I wouldn't have come to this point
if I didn't think so.
Schroers: Okay. Very good. Dawne?
Erhart: What is your impression of the current Park and Recreation
Commission and what do you feel that you could add either with your
expertise.. .?
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Fred Berg: As far as my feeling of the parks that are in existence now,
I'm a tennis player so I think they're really nice. I enjoy playing
tennis. I played tennis up at the courts by the elementary school before I
moved to Chanhassen. We got a group together that just came out here. I'm
not really an expert in the kinds of parks that you've been building lately
other than drive by over at Lake Susan for example and noticed the nice
ballfields and different kinds of courts there. What I like about them and
what I think I can add to it in terms of, I don't know if I'd ever say I
have expertise in that area because I've never done anything like this
before. But what I think I like about them and what I think I could add to
it maybe in way of hoping that that kind of thing could continue would be
the idea of, what I like about the parks is there seems to be very family
oriented. We spend a lot of time at, I can't even remember the name of it.
Right by the New Horizon townhomes there. Green something.
Lash: Meadow Green.
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Fred Berg: Meadow Green, that's what it is. Spent a lot of time there
with my daughter. Can go over there and play on the jungle gym. My oldest
daughter can run the dog around the area, on a leash pf course. And my
wife and I can play tennis. It's very nice that it's centrally located.
It's nice that it's family oriented and I think the same thing looks like
it would be true with Lake Susan and the other parks where they're oriented
towards the family and I guess in thinking too, they're safe. They appear
to be safe places. I don't really know, to be perfectly honest with you,
how to answer the question about expertise because I quite frankly don't
have a lot of expertise in this area other than I know the kinds of things
that I used to like to do as a kid and I know the kinds of things that the
kids in our neighborhood do and that would ~e the kind of feedback I would
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illicit. I would assume that before you plan a park or do any kind of park
building, you look at things like demographics and what people want. What
they need and what they want.
Lash: What do you feel that the role of the Park and Rec Commissioner is?
Fred Berg: I would guess that it has to be a very good listener. You have
constituents just like everyone else does and I'm sure in a community
that's growing like Chanhassen is, you've got people coming at you from all
types of directions. I would think that a park commissioner has got to be
a very good listener and very diplomatic and someone open to communicate.
I don't mean by open to communications just by listening to people and
saying that's really good. Thank you for your input but maybe going back
afterwards and explaining the decisions that were made. I think'sometimes
public officials have a tendency to make decisions and they have to make
decisions sometimes quickly and I realize with the demands of time and
everything else, that everyone has other jobs, that it's not always easy to
communicate later. But a communicator can fig0re out a way to communicate
someway to those people who are affected by that decision. If they wanted
the park here and it's being put here, explain to them why. Or at least
make them feel comfortable enough to ask you why. And not say well there's
another bureaucratic decision. You can't fight City Hall. I'd like to
think that this... I'm sure it's not always easy...
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Pemrick:
What are your feelings regarding conservation...
Fred Berg: Can I ask you for your definition of passive versus active?
Pemrick: Passive is more where you just relax and watch nature.
Fred Berg: 'Okay, an Arboretum type... As far as the environment is
concerned, I don't think there's a whole lot of issues that I feel stronger
about. I'd like to think that I'm conveying to my daughters the urgency of
doing something with the environment and that we can do something about it.
Whether it be simple things such as recycling. Whether it be talking in my
classes where it's appropriate about such things as environment concern for
it. I think it's a vitally important issue. I can't imagine anybody can
sit here and not say that. I guess I would like to see a balance between
the active and passive. I think there's a real strong need for the kind of
place that you can go where you can...get some tranquility. I think often,
and this isn't the same kind of thing but it gives you an idea of my
feeling. Normandale Junior College over in Bloomington, they have a
Japanese Garden. I don't know if any of you have ever been there but to me
it's just the most tranquil place to go. Right in the middle of the
city. Right off of France Avenue and right off of Normandale Blvd. I think
and the whole world going around you and you can walk into there and it's
just an incredibly peaceful place to just sit and watch the clouds or watch
the grass grow or as the Japenese say, listen to the rocks.. .and I don't
knOl.J if you \.oJant a Japanese garden in the middle of Chanhassen someplace.
but if you've got someplace like that where somebody can go in and feel
safe and comfor"table and just have a quiet place to be. Whether it's to
walk with your kids or your wife who you haven't had a chance to talk to
for a couple of days because o~ your job, that's nice. I think the active
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parks speak for themselves. I think you have to have a place, I'm very
strongly in favor of having a place where kids can have r~cTeation because
dealing with kids all the time that I do in High School, you've got to have
places where they can go. You've got to be able to provide things for
them. I know my daughter played basketball and a year of softball through
the Park and Rec here in Chan and just loved it. So did I when I was
playing in Minneapolis ~nd it provides an opportunity for kids to do
something. To be able to get 4 or 5 people together and go down to the
park and play basketball. I guess there's a balance. If I had to choose
one or the other, because I don't think there's so many of them, I think I
would lean tOvJards the passive. Just because I don't know that there's
lots of opportunities for that. If I had to choose.
Robinson: Could you just elaborate a little on why you wish to serve on
the Park and Rec Commission?
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Fred 8erg: Couple reasons. First of all, in my profession dealing with
kids all the time as I've elaborated on, I see a real need for that. I see
a real need for the kids to have places to go. I think this community has
done a terrific job so far in providing those things for kids. I want to
be part of the Park and Rec Commission in the hopes that that tradition can
continue. The other reason is I've always advocated to my kids at school
and m,' kids at home that if you're a part of a community, you should be
involved in it and take an active role in it and I haven't always done a
real good job of listening to my advice. Last year when this opening
occurred and I applied obviously because I thought it was time that I do
start getting involved and start putting something back in. Chanhassen is
a wonderful place to work. A wonderful place to live and I guess I'd like
to have something to say about the future of it. Those are the two basic
reasons.
Schroers: I'll tell you what Fred, you're done. It was just that easy. I
think that you did a really good job. There were a couple of things in
particu16r that I noticed that I keyed on that we were definitely looking
for. Balance is one. That's real important. I think you've done a good
job.
Robinson: Just so you understand. We are not a decision making body.
Fred Berg: You recommend to the City Council.
Robinson: Right.
Fred 8erg: When you make recommendations to the City Council, are they
generally followed?
Schroers: Pretty much they are.
Robinson: If they're not, we understand why.
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Fred 8erg:
question.
What are some of the things, if you don't mind me asking a
Schroers: We don't mind you asking a couple questions but we also have
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people waiting so we need to move along but we will answer a couple of
questions .,
Fred Berg: What are the kinds of things you get involved in in terms of
decision making or recommending I guess?
Schroers: I guess a good way to put it is what we do is we try to acquire
and develop park and trail space for the City of Chanhassen and we take a
lot of things into consideration. One of the things you mentioned was
demographics. We look at the area and we decide whether or not the area is
park deficit. What amenities it has or what we want there and what
surrounding parks, where they're located and what amenities they offer and
we try to create, serve the needs and also to give some variety so that all
of our parks aren't the same. We take a lot of things into consideration
and also we're big on trying to find creative ways of funding because the
financial resources are strained at best. We use a dedication process. We
require developers to either dedicate a portion of their development or pay
fees in lieu of dedication and that's our decision. We decide and if the
developer" declines, then he doesn't get issued a building permit.
Fred Be,"g: Rosemount had something to do I believe with the Lake Susan
Par k?
Schroers: Yes. Rosemount was very good to work with and I think we got 17
acres of land from them which was very nice. The commercial developments.
in town contribute significantly to our parks and trails as do the single
family residences and the multiple and all that. So there's really a lot
that's involved. We have a lot of work to do here. There's no doubt about
that and we do have our work cut out fOT us. Mainly funding is what really
limits what we can do but we try to sometimes have a brainstorming session
and try to come up with new ways of getting funding.
Fred Berg: Do you have a set budget from the City Council?
Lash: We set usually a yearly budget that's approved by the City Council
and then like tonight we're working on 5 year long range budget. That's
not definitely.
Fred Berg: Wow. 1 think that'd be real hard to do with the community
changing as fast as Chanhassen.
Schroers: It is. It's a 5 year capital improvement plan and nothing is
cast in stone but we set goals. What we'd like to achieve in the first
year and what we'd like to achieve in the second year and try to earmark
funding to accommodate that. It's a continuing process and it continues
and it continues and it continues. It takes a while.
Lash:
pie.
.. .everybody in town feels like they're getting their piece of the
So one park isn't getting more than it'~ share.
Fred Berg: That makes me think of another question. Are you
geographically represented on the Commission? Do you try to achieve
kind of balance?
that.
Schroers: That is part of our criteria here right now and we have to take
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that into consideration in making our .selection.
Fred Berg: I would think that would be real important. If you want your
constituency to believe that you're a legitimate organization in terms of
truly representing the entire community, I think you have to.
Schroers: That is one of the considerations. Thank you very much for your
time.
Fred Berg: Thank you for your time. I appreciate it.
Schroers: You're welcome and I think you'll be getting something from the
City in regards to how this process all worked out.
BRUCE GRAUSAM
Schroers: What we do here Bruce is we have a criteria on which we base our
questions. We've got 5 questions that we ask the exact same question to
each applicant and then we have a scoring process and at the end of the
interviews we just add up the scores and the two people with the highest
scores will get passed onto the City Council for recommendation. So we ask
each question the same to each applicant to insure that it's fair. Very
informal. Feel comfortable and we'll begin. I think Jim gets the first
question this time.
Andrews: Do you feel that you have the time to make the commitment to the.
Park and Rec Commission?
Bruce Grausam: I do. Between my work and I'm new to the area and
everything like that so being involved for me is a big plus. As far as
being involved in the community and knowing what's going on and being a
part of that to help make decisions and better direct... As far as the
time, I'm involved in some sports outside but...
Schroers: This will be a difficult question for you because you don't know
at this point what all is involved here but our meetings are generally only
once a month. Sometimes more and there's an information packet sent out
prior to the meeting that you need to spend some time going over to
familiarize yourself with the issues that are on the agenda so you know
what's going on for the meeting. The size of those packets vary. Some of
them you can maybe go through in an hour and sometimes it may take 2 or 3
hours to go through. It's not a requirement but generally we volunteer our
services for events like 4th of.July or the Halloween Party or the Easter
Egg Hunt. Things like that that we volunteer a few hours of our time. It's
not an extensive amount of time but it is a commitment and you have to have
some time available.
Bruce Grausam: That's what I guess I look forward to. It's just that type
of involvement in the things. When you see people being involved in things
like that you say, well that's kind of fun. Being part of a group and they
get to meet people just through the different activities. That kind of
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Schroers: Okay, real good. I've got.the second question.. This is also
going to be difficult for you to answer because you're new but what is your
impression of the current Park and Recreation system and what do you feel
you can add in the form of expertise and knowledge?
Bruce Grausam: I've visited
moved here. I've only been a
so... As far as what I could
and some things like that...
I've heard.
a couple of the parks in the area since I've
resident of Chanhassen since the end of June
go into I guess is just... What I like to do
This is what people I see like doing and what
Schroers: Okay. Have you had any kind of previous experience?
Bruce Grausam: Experience. with the parks?
Schroers: With the park system? Working for parks in another community?
Bruce Grausam: No I haven't ever worked for a park.. .and we did soil
erosion control and stuff like that. Helped out...kind of wildlife,
forestry program... That's probably about the most. ..parks I go to.
Schroers: Real good. Thanks.
Lash:
What do you feel the role of the Park and Rec Commission is?
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Rec
Bruce Grausam: I guess on that point, the way I perceive the Park and
would be to give guidance as far as what things do we feel will make
Chanhassen a better community to live in. Promote more community
involvement. Get people together so that people can interact in a more
casual environment. Whether it be on the 4th of July or Halloween... To
.get together things like, to ask the Board...or things we see that the
community might need. .. .putting a jungle gym here like they did for the
school.. .maybe an idea that we might have. Give direction...
Pemrick: What are your feelings regarding conservation and environment and
passive parks versus active parks?
Bruce Grausam: Passive parks? Can I ask for a description?
Pemrick: Passive would be, have you been to Chan Pond Park? It doesn't
have ballfields. It's more of a wildlife, nature park. Natural area
versus...ballfields.
Bruce Grausam: I guess they both have their place. I enjoy the ball parks
and their fields and things that you can do there but I think...things like
that. On the other hand I also like...Carver County. Walking in the woods
to get away. It's real nice to kind of go out on your own. I think in
their different areas each individual they...different purpose. Some
people... That's where I see.the nice part about the area is that they do
have people, select people. ..it's important to have a balance between thee
two... As far as the conservation. To me it's important that they be ke
up.. .there's enough waste baskets. There's places for people to go to the
bathroom. Places like that so they aren't abusing it. As far.as
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conservation and things like that, people are actually out.. .is this side
of this hill going down the path...
Pemrick: Okay finally, could you elaborate on why you wish to serve on the
Park and Recreation Commission? In a nutshell.
Bruce Grausam: I guess I've always had this great ambition to work
outdoors and be a part of something where you can actually see what you do.
Right now I'm a computer programmer and that's not being outside. It's
behind a desk and you sit there for 8 hours a day...on a computer and
things like that. This would be a great escape to actually be able to do
something for the community. Be involved. To say this is what I do for my
community. This is what I like about living here. I enjoy the outdoors a
lot. I spend a lot of time because I am inside so much. That's kind of
the big picture...
Schroers: Well Bruce, you made it through and I don't see any blood. You
did real good. You had good answers and we appreciate you taking the time
and the effort to come up here tonight and apply. We'll answer a couple of
brief questions if you have any. Otherwise we'll move along and take care
of the other people that are waiting.
(There was a tape change at this point in the meeting.}
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Schroers: ...the trails are our main focus and we do not make the final
decision. We're kind of like a research group or a work group for the City
Council and we look at all these issues and we study them and then we make
recommendations and we pass it onto the Council for approval. That's
basically what our job is but it includes everything that has to do with
the parks and trails including the programming, the staffing and the whole
9 yards so there is a lot of work we do here. If you're looking for
involvement, there's plenty to get involved with.
Lash: . ..we are also looking at trying to get a bike trail...cross over
TH 5. .. .somebody gives us a lot of money. We just don't have that kind
of money.
Schroers: We try to work along with development. When they improve the
highway, the State comes through, we can lobby with the State saying that
there is going to be a lot of pedestrian traffic in this specific area and
can we include a safe pedestrian access of some kind or another and lobby
to the State for help on that. But to just go ahead and construct one, I
guess we'd probably be looking at a quarter of a million dollars and our
budget for the whole city for the entire year is $150,000..00 so. We'd come
up a little short on something like that.
Bruce Grausam: I just thought that...I know a lot of kids between the two
areas.. .That's another way that the community gets split is by a major
access to the city so I was thinking.'
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Schroers: It's a really good point and it's something that we definitely
focus on a lot. The trail system, we have in our capital improvements
program a proposed trail system for the entire city and we put parts and
pieces in place when we can. Our first preference is to have off street
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trails. In the ditch. A separate path where there is no traffic concern.
However, funding and utilities and all sorts of things come into play there
and some places we have to go to off street where we just paint the white
lines. Thanks very much for your time Bruce.
CY CHILDS
Schroers: We are the Park and Rec Commission and we conduct these
intervievJs where there are going to be vacancies and there are two coming
up in, when is it January 1st? Okay. The way we conduct these interviews
here is we have a set of criteria that we base our questions on. We have
just 5 questions. We ask the same question of each applicant in the same
manner to make it as fair and as equitable a system as possible. We attach
a numerical score to each applicant's answers and then we pick, in this
instance there are two positions going to be available so the two highest
scores we pass on to the City Council for approval and recommendations. We
left off with Wendy asked the last question right so Curt, we'll start on
the first question. When we're done with the question we'll give you an
opportunity tb ask us a couple of questions. Okay?
Robinson: Do you feel that you've got the time to make a commitment...
Cy childs: ., .yes. I live right down the street. I'm at a time in my
life where I'm... I'm just centering on my home and my community right
now. So those are my priorities.
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Schroers: Do you want to elaborate a little bit Curt on the amount of
time?
Robinson: We meet once a month..~ There's some preparation work usually
involved.. .during the weekend. Between Friday and Tuesday. Going through
that takes maybe an hour to 3 hours... You've expected to take part in...
4th of July, Oktoberfest, Easter Egg Hunt.
Schroers: It's hard to say actually the number of hours that we have to
put in but there is more than just attending the meeting for 3 hours once a
month. There's generally a couple hours of preparation time for the
meeting and then a couple hours here and there to support the community
events. So you feel that you have the time for that?
Andrews: Next question is, what is your impression of the current park and
recreation system...
Cy Childs: My only experiences have been primarily.. .all I do is playa
little softball over there. ...35 and over league and we've been swimming
a little bit. Basically that's been my useage of what's here as far as
public facilities. My son isn't of a age yet to play any ball...
Andrews: ...expertise, what do you think that would bring to the Park
Board or the community?
Cy Childs: Just the fact that I have a decent mind and I can absorb .
information and make an honest decision on something.
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Schroers: We understand that this is a difficult question for" you and that
you've only been in the community for 6 months and so it's really difficult
for you to evaluate th~ current program here and we don't expect that you
would have a lot of information or a deep seeded impression of what
currently is going on here. We do understand that.
Cy Childs: I wish I could...
Schroers: That's good. At least you're a paying customer. What do you
feel is, and this is another question that might be difficult for a short
term resident. What do you feel the role of the Park and Recreation
Commission is?
Cy Childs: Really the politics involved, I have no idea. My common sense
just says you're concerned with the public areas of recreation. I have no
idsa where those are in this community except for those ones that I've
visited. I assume that you're concerned with keeping those properties up
and possibly obtaining funds to improve what you have.
Schroers: Very good.
Erhart: What are your feelings regarding conservation and environment and
passive parks versus active parks? Passive parks being where you go and.
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Cy Childs:
What the birds and what not?
Erhart: Right, exactly.
Cy Childs: I can't believe that anybody would say they're into gas fumes
or.. .so conservation, that seems like that's pretty natural to say that.
.. .natural resource, that's a good thing to do. As far as the balance
between how much of public space should be available for climbing on slides
and running around and other areas for watching birds.. .relaxing, I think
you'd have to take a look at the demographics of the people that were
living in the area. I think if there's a lot of kids, then you want
something that's hopping. I think any community has to have to have areas
for adults to relax and gather their thoughts. .. .Arboretum...but that
kind of a concept. My focus right now is on my son and where we expect to
be in this community for a while so I'm more interested in what. ..he can be
'entertained. But my wife and I still like to take a walk nGW and then. So
again, getting back to the demographics thing, if there's a lot more young
people with kids I think...I think that's the way it's going to be. It
seems like this is a young. ..30 or 40, that age group with a lot of kids.
Lash: Can you elaborate on why you wish to serve on the Park Commission?
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Cy Childs: It's just the concept of being part of the community. Just
that simple. I have no idea how many commissions are involved with the
city but as soon as we moved in I said I want to do something here. I
don't know what it is... I first signed up for the public safety... It
really doesn't matter. So I signed up for that but I was late. The parks
appeals to me. Public safety, I'm not that, it's not that big of a thing
for me but the parks I'do use. I mean I'm going to be playing ball here
for a long time, I hope so ~nd be watching fuy son around here. Taking him
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to some of the public areas so it's a little bit... Something that I can
see that's affecting me too. Not just people...just a public service.
It's just the time in my life. Just that simple. .
Andrews: I have to ask the question of where's Del Rio Drive? .. .that's
what I thought.
Schroers: We're drawing from the nucleous aren't we?
Andrews: We do as ~ co~mission are charged with trying to select
applicants that.. .represent the whole community. That's not the most
important thing but it's a factor...
Schroers: Yeah, we're pretty close but I guess that's appropriate that
people from the heart of the city are the ones that feel that they have the
most to contribute or feel more involvement or need for involvement.
That's pretty high criteria. I mean you've got to want to do it and
obviously you do or you wouldn't be here. That concludes the questions.
They weren't too hard. We'd be happy to answer any questions that you
might have at this time.
Cy Childs: No. I know so little that it wouldn't, you know.
Schroers: Okay Cyrus it was very nice to meet you. Thank you for coming
up and taking the time and the effort and the City will be letting you kne
as to the outcome.
Cy Childs: Very good. Thank you.
RANDY ERICKSON
Schroers: Wh8t we're doing here is we have some criteria that we use to
develop some questions. We have 5 questions that we're going to ask you.
We a~k 811 the epplicants the same 5 questions in order to make things as
far and as equitable as possible. We attach a numerical score to your
answers and at the end of the interview, at the end of all the interviews
we will tally the scores and there are two positions currently available so
the applicants with the two highest scores will be recommended to the City
Council for appointment.
Randy Erickson: Okay, sounds fair to me.
Schroers: That's basically all there is to it. We do understand that you
as well as most of the other applicants tonight have not lived in
Chanhassen for a long time so some of the questions may be a little bit
difficult from that perspective but we understand that so it's nothing to
be too concerned about and this is very informal so we'd li~e you to be
comfortable. Curt starts. Did you have the.last question Wendy?
Lash:
I did.
Schroers: Oh, I'm a little ahead of myself.
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Pemrick: First, do you feel that you have the time to make a commitment?
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Randy Erickson: Yes. First I have.a ~uestion for you. It meets one night
a week? Or month, excuse me. One night a month. For a couple hours one
night a month, I have plenty of time. I understand there wIll be some
research or a lot of research. I'm not too sure how much research that is.
Pemrick: Well, prior to the meeting you'll get a packet and it involves...
Randy Erickson: So there's not a lot of outside research? Extensive
outside research?
Pemrick: . ..research is kind of a group thing where we go visit a site and
that kind of stuff. And then it's also.. .4th of July...
Randy Erickson: I did this year. I was there. That sounds like the kind
of thing that would fall right in line with my present time commitments.
I'm married but I have no children yet. so I'm not running off to away games
of soccer and anything like that. In fact that sounds well within... I do
travel occasionally with my job which would put me out of town but I think
that can be arranged far enough in advance. I kind of control my own
schedule. I mean that's helpful that it's the fourth Tuesday of every
month. Because I basically do my own schedule 99% of the time...
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Robinson: What's your impression of the current park and rec system and
what do you feel you can add to.. .expertise or knowledge?
Randy Erickson: I don't have a lot of knowledge of the whole park
structure. My knowledge has been, as you may already know from looking at
my application, I've only been here since June. The only thing I've really
noticed is what I've seen in the parks.. We don't live far from Lake Ann
and I've been to the La~e Minnewashta Regional Park there and I really like
the parks that I've seen. They look well planned out. That's what's
impressed me about Chanhassen is everything seems to be well planned out.
That just requires a lot of foresight. What I could bring to that I'm not
really sure.. .on the Park Commission before but I consider myself a pretty
objective person. Pretty fair person and pragmatic.. .so I just hope I can
bring a little bit of vision...
Andrews: What do you feel is the role of the Park and Rec Commission?
Randy Erickson: That I'm not really technically sure what the role is.
But I think just to give guidance to the City Council to see to it that the
parks are ~ept up. That the parks meet the community's needs. The parks
and the events I think you also have a lot of input. The 4th of July
celebration... The people in the community are enjoying what they're
paying for and it does need to be kept up. I've been to a lot of parks in
my travels and some of them you go in and you won't use the...house and
those kinds of things. I've been very impressed with Chanhassen's parks
and I keep...
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Schroers: What are your feelings regarding conservation and the
envirnoment and passive parks versus active parks? Passive parks are what
we consider to be nature areas and just open areas. Green space and that
sort of thing. And active parks are parks with ballfields, tennis courts,
that sort of thing.
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Randy Erickson: As far as my views on conservation. My education is in
biology. I'm a biology major and I think that point of view, because of
all the classes you have to take, it brings you a realization that
resources are finite. We study ecology and those kinds of things so I
think conservation is very important. Exactly the difference between the
passive and the active parks, I love the, the active parks and the
ballfields and those kinds of things because I like to play sports. I like
softball. I'm not presently on a team or anything but I'd like to get into
that and the beach, taking my family to the beach... but then I've also
been to, is it Minnewashta Park.
Schroers: The regional park.
Randy Erickson: The regio~al park over there and maybe just because no one
else was there but that seemed to be a little bit more the natural
environment. The open spaces and the fields and the prairie grasses and
that stuff and I like that kind of thing too. I think that's very
important. Not everybody wants fo play horseshoes or goes to play
volleyball. Some people just need some space and some trees...
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Schroers: Okay, good.
Erhart: Then Randy, if you would just elaborate why you wish to serve on
the Park and Rec Commission.
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Randy Erickson: Honestly, the first reason above all that I wanted to
serve on it was to get involved in the community. I've waited a long time
to be an adult member of a community. I grew up in a.nice town and have
been through college and that kind of stuff. Traveled and not been.. .and
this is where my wife a~d I plan to stay for several years and I'd like to
'be active in the community. I was active in student government in college
and I kno~ that in a small environment, in a small town and even in a small
school you can make changes. You can help things improve together with
other people and that's really what my main reason is. The fact that it
was the park commission, the little ad I saw in the paper I thought would
just be a bonus because if you're doing something you like and something
you're interested in. ..everybody wants parks. I do too. I spend a fair
amount of time in them so I think I can bring some objectivity and
creativity and vision to the park commission.
Schroers: Very good,Randy.
Andrews: Can I ask my last question? Where is Canyon Curve?
Randy Erickson: We are over in Saddlebrook.
Andrews: Okay, central Chanhassen.
Randy Erickson: Yeah, righ~ over in Saddlebrook.
Schroers: Randy, you've made it through the process here. All of the .
questicns are complete. You did a real good job and we'll give you the
opportunity to ask us a couple of questions if yoU have any.
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Randy Erickson: I guess I can't think of any off the top of my head. The "
main question I had was your role. Basically I assume that's advice to the
City Council on decisions made that affect the parks.
Robinson:
I think you answered that one perfectly.
Randy Erickson: I served on enough commissions and boards in college to
realize you really don't know what goes on until you sit down there and
feel the pressure that.. .you have to mak~ decisions. That's.. .there for.
Schroers: We look at all aspects of the parks and trail systems within the
city. Existing and proposed and we study it and research it and make our
recommendations to the City Council for approval and generally that's just
a formality. They confide in our ability most of the time. It's rare that
they don't go along with our recommendation. That's basically what we do.
I'd like to thank you very much for your time and interest in coming here
tonight and the City will let you know as to the outcome.
Randy [rickson: Well thank you. I appreciate the fact that you've been
interviewing everybody here. And my buddy Bruce who was in here too.
Schroers: Okay, thanks a lot.
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(There was a tape change at this point in the discussion.)
Schroers: Okay, we're on item 2 of the agenda. The Park and Recreation
Com~ission applicant interviews. The interviews have been completed and we
are how looking for a motion to recommend to the City Council our selection
for the two new commission members who are. Let me get the names here.
Fred Berg and Randy Erickson. Do I have a motion?
Erhart: I'll second that. Oh no, I'll make a motion that we ask Council
to approve or appoint Randy Erickson and Fred Berg to the Park and Rec
Commission.
Schroers: Is there a second?
Robinson: I'll second it.
Erhart moved, Robinson seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommend to appoint Randy Erickson and Fred Berg to the Park and
Recreation Commission. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
UPDATE 5 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. COMMUNITY PARKS (CON'T).
Schroers: Okay, so we are done with item 1, 2 and 3. We were in the
middle of item 4, the update on the Capital Improvement Program.
Andrews: We were at City Center Park"was where we left off.
. Schroers: So we will continue. Were we completed with Chan Pond?
Ruegemer:
I believe so.
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SChr08)"S: Okay. Ci ty Center.
Andrews: Do we know yet at all this new ~upposed proposed city center?
Ruegemer: Yeah. The proposed park?
P:ndrews: Yeah.
Ruegemer: That's still up for public discussion and then public hearings.
I don't knoL~ when the next one is but that still hasn't been decided yet.
Funding will go before the HRA.
Andrews: That impacts the rest of this development too so.
Ruegemer: Right.
Lash: It's kind of frustrating. . Everyone we have we can't do anything
LoJi t h.
Ruegemer: Contingent on other decisions.
Schroers: Yeah, you know maybe rather than spending our time with this
issue he,e this evening when we can't really do anything with it, is maybe
what LoJe should do is table this to a future meeting when we can have the
concept plans of the park available and current budgeting and funding
capabilities and a copy of what we proposed on our last capital improvement
plan so WE can remain consistent and try to proceed on course. If that
information isn't available to ustoniQht, I think we're just spinning our
wheels looking into these things when we can't do anything about it.
Andrel.oJs: I'll make the motion that I agree completely. That we should
table this and have this brought forward at hopefully the next meeting. If
we can have an easel out like we've had with other major developments where
we could see it, I think we could get through this a lot faster. So I move
that we table this item until the next meeting and have more information
available so we can make informed decisions.
Schroers: I'll second it.
Andrews moved, Schroers seconded to table the 5 year Capital Improvement
Program for the Community Parks until the next Park and Recreation
Commission meeting so staff can provide more information. All voted in
favor and the motion carried.
Schroers: For future reference.
Andrews: It's for next meeting is what the motion says so.
Schroe:s: Next meeting.
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PARK AND TRAIL FEE REVENUE REPORT.
Ruegemer: Okay all the information, Lake Ann and Lake Susan?
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Schroers: Yeah, I think we want them all at once.
Ruegemer: As of October 31, 1991, 83.33% of the year has expired.
$73,824.00 park fees and $26,192.00 in trail fees have been collected.
Other revenues in this fund include $27,212.24 in interest. $2,000.00 in
'donations and the $11,333.00 in insurance recovery. The insurance recovery
was from the Lake Ann light standards that was destroyed by vandalism last
September of 1990. Revenue totals equals $139,894.24. That is 61%,61.30%
of the $228,000.00 budgeted.
Robinson: Excuse me Jerry. I don't understand the second sentence. The~e
figures represent 67% and 52% of the budgeted expenditures.
Ruegemer: Where we're at right now is what is actually come in and what
was actually budgeted for that. The revenue totals are at 61%, or roughly
61% of the $228,000.00 that was budgeted in the year 1991.
Robinson: Way up, the second sentence. Where you talk about the fees
collected and then these figures represent percent of the budgeted
expenditures. You're first talking fees or revenue and then that says it
represents x percent of expenditures. Budgeted expenditures.
Andrews: It should say revenues.
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Robinson:
collect.
Should it?
I would think so.
In other words you budgeted to
Lash: But they have expected to collect a certain amount by that period.
Is it by that period in time or for the whole year?
.Robinson: The word expenditures.
Lash: But then that's a certain percentage of what we have to date used.
Is that what that's saying? That's how I understood it.
Andrews: Yes, you're correct.
Ruegemer: Right. I think it's 67.11% of the park fees and 52% of the.
Lash: So we're operating in the red is what it's saying? We've collected
67% of what we've.
Andrews: Of what we plan to spend.
Lash: That's where I have a problem understanding how we can do that.
Erhart: How can we spend more than we have you mean?
Lash: Right.
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Robinson:
Talk to my wife.
Erhart: Talk to my husband..
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Ruegemer: So I think that's what Todd.. .in the event of a budget shorfall
in the 410, the most likely scenario that the gener.al ledger will carry the
deficit...
Lash: So then does that come out of our '92 budget or where does that come
from?
Andrews: Yeah, we'd have to make a budget allowance in our 1992 budget to
cover the shortfall~ We had to do the same thing last year for a small
amount.
Erhart: Thank goodness it's a small amount.
Andrews: Well this year it isn't a small amount.
Ruege~er: If you turn around to the back, that might explain it a little
bit better. The budgeted revenue for 1991 was budgeted at $228,000.00 and
the budgeted expenditures is $199,250.00. That is budgeted expenditures to
date is $202,262.75. That does include the insurance. The difference as
of October 31, 1991 is a deficit of $42,868.73.
Lash: So we have to take $42,000.00, almost $43,000.00 out of next year's
budget?
Ruegemer:
coming in.
That's just as of October 31st so there still will be revenue ~
Andrews:
That's 30% off.
Lash: So even if we didn't spend any more money for the rest of the year,
whatever we get in, we could still have, easily have a $30,000.00 deficit.
Robinson: But it says expenditures incurred"in the month of November and
December will bring the expenditures close to the budgeted amount.
Andrews: For expenditures right?
Reugemer: For expenditures. Not budgeted revenue.
Robinson: Oh yeah, sorry.
Erhart: We're spending what we thought we would. We're just not
collecting what we budgeted.
Schroers: But we may collect more before the end of the year so we may in
fact lessen this deficit or depending on how much we collect, we may even
come out in the black. But we're not going to know until the end of the
year.
Lash: I can't imagine November and December we'll be collecting a lot.
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Robinson: Not this November and December.
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Andre,~s: The point is though, there's very little we could cut between now
and the end of the year. It's all pretty much done. But this does put us
in a heck of a lot of hurt for next year's budget if we have to allow for a
$40,000.00 shortfall to start the year out. That wipes out half our budget
right off the block. Or a third of the budget will be eliminated before we
even start. I'm glad we were conservative but apparently we weren't
enough.
Schroers: Our only recourse there was to present the information to the
Council and ask them to help us make up the deficit for our new budget.
Andrews: ~Je do have some reserves that were created for this type of
ocurrence too.
Lash: I can't imagine that they'll be too sympathetic with our plight here
because they're right now doing public hearings on next year's budget and
having public hearings on that. People are up in arms and they're taking a
position of not raising city taxes.
Andrews:
I would expect any money from City Council at all.
Lash: So what happens to this?
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Schroers: What happens is what's happening to the rest of the system.
of right now I have about 12 houls of meeting time in today so far and
program is the same everywhere you look. You're going to be short and
you're going to bite the bullet. You're not going to be able to do
everything that you think you want to do and that is the bottom line.
As
the
Lash: It just comes oui of next year then.
Robinson: Yeah.
Andrews: That's what it says too.
Schroers: We're looking at letting go of permanent employees. I mean not
just through attrition, which we've tlied to do in the past but they ale
now looking at layoffs so the situation is pretty bleak for the neal
foreseeable future in government funding and we're going to, I'm sure that
we're going to feel it along with evelY othel agency.
Andrews: I guess I feel I'd like to see if we could at least direct the
staff to defer any expenses possible between now and the end of the year.
Schroers: We've done some of that ourselves through the commis~ion already
and I think they will contin~e to.
Lash: I can't imagine that there's a lot of things going on that we'd be
spending a lot of money on. I mean we're not ordering things that I know
of at this time.
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Schroers: Well and other big budgeted things such as the shelter at Lake
Ann and that SOlt of thing are kind of on hold so, although the money's
already spoken for, it's not going out.
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Lash: I can see where maybe some of the things that we h~d anticipated
putting in there.
Andrews: We've got budgeted expenditures that haven't been paid yet. I'm
sure like some of the grading projects and so forth, that there are notes
on it here that the money will not be released until it's inspected. That
may not happen until spring but it's not budgeted but not expended. That's
already shows her~.
Schroers: Here's what we have to look at. What we have to look at doing
in the event of this and I think that you'll agree that it's logical and it
makes sense. What we have to do is channel the funding that we have in the
direction to complete things that are already started and as far as jumping
into new endeavors with funding is questionable. Those have to be put on
held. But what we don't want to do is have one thing half completed and
then start on something else and then end up in a situation where we' have
two things stirted and not enough funding to complete it either.
Erhart:
A buneh of half finished products.
Schroers: Yeah. We've got to tie up our ends and put our new things that
we'd like to do, our new development and that sort of thing on hold until
such time as they're feasible.
Andrews: Another comment too, I guess I feel since this crisis is quite 4It
acute, I'd like to see these reports each meeting. This situation is
pretty severe and it will allow us to take action quicker and to be more
informed as to what our position is.
Lash: Or at least quarterly.
Schroers: I think I'm lacking in that area and I don't know how the rest
of you feel but if someone were to ask me, what is the current status of
the Park and Recreation Commission budget, my honest answer would be I
don't knovJ. So I feel that is something that should be included and
something that we should be aware of. I agree with them whole heartedly.
Lash: It isn't anything that we can't control the money coming in. I mean
it's just projections. .. .but we have to then, when we see, we have to
'review this often enough so if we see that the projected revenue is falling
way off. I mean the actual revenue is falling way off from our
projections, then we've got to be on top of that enough to make some
alterations in our expenditures so at the end of the year we don't have a
big deficit like this. That's just not a good way to operate.
Andrews: Like most churches have budgeted expenses that Lhey budget
revenues to date and then just show you on a monthly basis where you stand.
Even if it was just a paragraph put in each month of where we stand, that
would be very, very helpful. '
Schroers: To put it in perspective of how bad the thing is, our accounta4lt
is bailing out of the program.
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Lash: .. .say in the By-laws that the retiring commissioners are required
to make UP any deficits incurred...
Robinson: 1 think it would also, did we determine that budgeted revenue,
$228,000.00? How did that number?
Ruegemer: I'm sure it's on a Commission level that they decide or try to
project as close to as possible with the projected building permits.
Robinson: 1 think if we could see where we are every month or quarterly or
something it would help to set that amount for the coming year also.
Lash: Well I'm guessing, I'm just guessing that the budgeted revenue are
figures that come possibly from Don Ashworth based on developments that he
knows that are on line and past patterns and what the develo~ers have done
it fast or slow so I think the projected revenues are just basically
educated guesses for us to work with to start with and we have no control
over that. 'What we have to do is keep on top of what's coming in before we
get hit with $43,000.00.
Schroers: That's exactly right. This agenda item if I'm correct doesn't
require any action on OUr part. It's just information for us and our
response to this item is to request staff to update us on a more frequent
time frame as to where we are sitting with our budget and I think that we
have enough confidence in staff's competence to decide how often they feel
that they will need to update us on that.
Andr~ws: Curt, it is awful suspicious that this crisis came up right when
you're leaving.
Robinson: You're going to say yeah, when we're gone Erhart and Robinson
got us into this.
Lash: That's a political answer.
COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS:
Andrews: My only question is when do you expect to see rink flooding try
to get going?
Ruegemer: We're actually in a lot better shape
heavy snowfall it kind of insulated everything.
it's saturated the ground. If we get some cold
real nice and we'll have a good base.
now than we were. With the
But now that it's melted
weather it will freeze up
Pemrick: It filled itself.
Ruegemer: Well to a certain degree I,guess. Typically we like to get
things going about the second or third week in December so roughly
projected date would be about the 15th or 20th of December.
Andrews: I've got the kids asking me so.
Ruegemer: Oh, is that right?
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Sch,oe,s: I just have an item of interest. Today was my first opportunity
eve, to see the new community cente, in Chaska. I was in it all day long
and I was just totally impressed and I think what we need to do is somehow
encourage the residents of Chanhassen to get over and see that facility so
they be;ome completedly jealous and enviable the next time something like
that comes up on a referendum we can have one here because the place is
great.
Ruegemer: Maybe we can get a shuttle going down there to Chaska. Meet at
City Hall that will start taking people down there.
Schroers: I think also birds of a feather should flock together and we
should make real good friends with the Park and Rec Commission from the
City of Chaska and see if we can't get some honorary memberships for
Commission membe,s.
Robinson: Hennepin County Parks Commission meets in a facility in Carver
County?
Schroers: Yeah we did. This was, we took advantage of the, Hennepin Parks
is a ve,y opportunistic organization.
AndrEWS: Another word for cheap?
SchrOErs: No, anothe, word fo, sma,t. I've got to give them credit. we~
took advantage of the MRPA, Minnesota Recreation and Park Association
convention and since several noted speakers of the field were in town, we
casKed in one to address our specific issues with Hennepin Parks and
because of othe, ongoing scheduled eveDts, all of the facilities that we
have that were of a size that would accommodate the entire, basically all
the full time employees were there for the morning and just the management
fOT the afternoon but we needed a space bigger than we have and the
community center was open in Chaska so that's why we ended up there. And
we listened to a lady named Beth Black of Disney World in Florida and she
was imp,essive. She had her ducks in a row. Terribly intelligent. I'm
glad I'm not married to her. I could never argue with her. She was a real
speake, you know. You'd be in a tough situation if you had to argue with
her because she really had her facts together. ! was real impressed.
Ruegeme,: Are there any more commissioner presentations?
Robinson: No, that's enough.
Lash: The teen night out. I heard good comments about that. As a matter
of fact, I heard that there were kids that liked that better ~han the next
week was a school party so there was a little competltion but that was one
thing that maybe what we needed to do wa~ look at when the school parties
are so they're spaced a little bit farther apart.
Ruegeffie,: We did. It's so hard now getting into the winter months. We ~
have to schedule around the basketball. A lot of kids that go around the'"
basketball and some of the other. We try not to compete but you certainly
don't want to create any ill feelings between the two groups. The district
and special events.
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Lash: But there's another teen night out coming up.
Ruegemer: December 6th.
Lash: Yeah and then there's another school party so it's like two parties.
They'll get burnt out on parties.
Ruegemer: We have the good ones though. Yeah I think the kids really did
enjoy having the music from KDWB. Next time "we have Air Jordan coming out
here. Not the basketball player. The DJ from KDWB so he'll be there. And
Pepsi sponsors this next one so it doesn't cost us anything. Or Chaska
anything. So Pepsi picks up the music. The contract for the music. They
hand out Pepsi sun glasses. Pepsi shirts. Frisbees. Duffle bags.
Corn nuts. Anything. They hand out a lot of things. And it's all picked
up by Pepsi because they're trying to promote their product and give back
to the community. That type of deal. So it's really a good program and
we've had a lot of success from it.
Pemrick: What's the age group?
Ruegemer: 6th, 7th and 8th grade. We didn't have any problem with that.
We thought we'd have a lot of high school kids trying to get in causing
problems. We didn't have any problems with that at all.
~ Lash: They L~ouldn't be caught dead there with 6th, 7th and 8th graders.
Ruegemer: l~e had a good turn out though. We only projected about 100-150
and I think we had close to 400. So we had very, very good turn out.
Lash: So where did you get the chaperones?
Ruegemer: We used, maybe I'll tell you the groups. Chanhassen Park and
Rec, Chaska Park and Rec and Community Education all co-sponsored. We
pooled our resources and we kind of took an area to pursue the planning for
the party. Community Ed is the one who got the volunteers and they sent
out their, kind of their pre-school questionnaire to all the different
parents in the district and one of the questions was, would you be willing
to help out in some form or fashion in any type of activity after school.
So they had pretty much their homework done. It was just a matter of
making a few phone calls. Parents were more than happy to volunteer so it
really worked out really nice. We just kind of strategically placed people
where we thought they'd need the most supervision.
Lash: I thought had a dance contests... and that was fun.
Ruegemer: And the DJ's were very audience participation. Trying to get
everybody involved. Everybody was dancing. I thought that"age group
there'd be a lot of wall flowers but there really wasn't.
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Lash: I think if you do those kinds of things, it pulls them out where
maybe they would tend not to get involved.
Ruegemer: Prize give awayswere a plus. We had Dominoes coupons and
shirts and community center water bottles and we gave away a b6ombox. A
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nice boombox. Cassette tapes. They really enjoyed it.
Lash: Are you setting up some skiing for this.winter too?
Ruegemer:
February.
You bet. We've got it planned. We're going in January and
Three trips this year.
Lash: Are you going t6 Hyland at all?
Ruegemer: No.
Lash: Didn't you say you would help plan something to Hyland?
Andrews: That's easy. If you've already got it all set, it's all set..
Ruegemer: Typically the kids kind of like to get away from Hyland.
Andrews: It's a small hill.
Ruege~er: They think it's not cool. They've got to go Afton. We're going
to go to Afton, wild Mountain and Trollhaugen this year. Kind of get away
from the area a little bit. I think that's what they. like.
ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS:
HALLOWEEN PARTY REPORT.
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Ruegemer: The annual Halloween party we kind of had an unexpected
storm that prevented a few people from showing up but for the most
had a very good turn out considering the weather predictament. We
roughly, pretty much 285 kids and parents sign up before that
pre-registered so that was a very good turn out. About 40 did turn up that
night which ~Jasn't a problem because we did have other people come off the
street and we were willing to allow them to enter at that point. We had
very good contributions from local businesses as far as cash donations. The
Dinner Theatre gave away tickets again this year. The bowling alley gave
free bO~Jling coupons for games of bowling. Subway donated six 6 inch subway
sandwiches to be given away at drawings so that really added a lot of the
atmosphere of people coming in and were able to drop or sign up for prizes
which was, it was a really good deal. It's the first time we had it this
year and I think kids really enjoyed it. Parents enjoyed it the Dinner
Theatre ,tickets. So that itself was a big hit. There seemed to be a
little bit of confusion about what hallway to go down and we can certainly,
we're going to create a better situation for next year. We're just going
to, this year and in previous years they had to decide which hallway they
wanted to go down. Make a choice. What we're going to do next year is .
just buy enough candy to allow kids to go down both hallways and once
they're there, they enjoy going down both hallways and we're just going to
alleviate that problem and have enough supplies to go down both hallways to
satisfy. They do pay a nominal fee but just to Once they get there they
have a good time. So it's going to allow them to do that for next year. .
We're going to clean up the registration process a little bit for next
year. Last year we had a lot of, or this year we had a lot of people come
in late as far as coming in after the registration was closed. It's an
snow
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unfortunate situation. It's not the kids fault and you kinq of have to
take a look at that and try to correct that problem too so what we're going
to do is have registration open a day later for next year to help get a lot
of the late people that come in. There's a lot of people that don't think
of it until they're up upon the date of the party. So what we're going to
do this year, well I tried to stick to my guns and if you don't
pre-register you don't go and that really didn't help out the kids at all
and I kind of felt bad about that so what we're going to do next year is
not advertise for it but we are going to take pre-registration. That's
what I would like the majority of the people to do but also we will take
registrations at the door. There's a lot of people that I talked to said
we've never- pre-registered. We've always paid at the door in the past and
I did get flyers out to the schools and advertise in the paper and things
like that so I'm going to try to get the bulk of the registration and we
can kind of predict how many supplies. How many candy bars we need.
Cookes. That type of deal...
(A tape change occurred at this ~oint in the meeting.)
Robinson: Now are we going to meet on Tuesday night the 24th?
Lash: The 10th. But I thought Todd said or maybe it was you Jerry said we
wanted to just try and have a light agenda.
RUEgemer: Have a Christmas party?
Lash: Yeah.
Erhart: Just one thing "real quick before we close. If you people in the
future need any help, I'm still willing to participate on the 4th or July
okay? Or any of those other events. Just because I'm not on the
Commission doesn't mean I'm not willing to help.
Robinson moved, Erhart seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor
and the motion carried. The meeting was adjourned.
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Rec Coordinator
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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C ITV OF
CHARHASSER
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO: Park and Recreation Commission
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
711
DATE:
December 5, 1~91
Introduction of Judy Colby, Senior Center Coordinator
SUBJ:
As part of the continuing effort to better serve Chanhassen I s
senior residents, Ms. Judy Colby has been retained as senior Center
Coordinator for the new Senior c~ter to be located in the lower
level of City Hall. Ms. Colby, is employed by Senior Community
Services, a United Way supported non-profit agency with whom the
city has contracted for her servlces'~/, The city was fortunate to be
involved in the interview process \ '.in selecting Judy for this
position. Judy will be officing with.;Jerry and I for the months of
December through Mayor June.'< At that time she will operate from
the newly completed center. The contract with Senior Community
Services is for 12 hours per week at the rate of 4 hours per day
for three days. Judy will be very busy over the next six months
prior to the center opening, i.e. devel9ping goals and objectives
for the center, working with pertinent~gencies to bring program
services and activities to the center, recruiting volunteers and
becoming acquainted with the senior population. You will find Ms.
Colby an energetic individual who is excited about her new role in
the communi ty., Hs., COl.bY~.ill,,~e,,~~~eauced at the upcoming
meeting. Please join in welcoming her ;""',
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As the Commission is aware, the planning of the Senior Center and
the establishment of the Senior commission was/.i.nitiated by the
Ci ty I s Planning Department.)~~e~J:"t~c::l,.,tltled "Senior Center
Plans Move Forward," appearing ,/cm'page2 of the City Newsletter
included in the Administrative Section of your packet, provides an
update of recent activity taken:;~ planning for the center.
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C ITV OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
FROM:
Park and Recreation Commission ~/;I
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~
TO:
DATE:
December 6, 1991
SUBJ:
Update 5-Year Capital Improvement Program, Community
Parks, Continuation
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When preparing this item for di$~ussion at the November 19, 1991,
Park and Recreation Commission l'(l.~ting, I was anticipating I would
De in attendance to assist the qg~ission in this regard. In being
unable to attend the meeting Ii th~ information received in the
November 19 packet was insu.ffici~nt to carry out a detailed
discussion. I apologize fOt: thi$ oversight. To enable this
discussion to continue, I have now included all concept plans where
appropriate, and taken the liberty ofx;-esponding to the discussions
of the 19th.
In conceptualizing and d~veloping a Five Year Capital Improvement
Program (CIP), a number.of factors are <~.onsidered. One that first
comes to mind is ability to finance, however, in a five year plan,
I believe this factor x should stand in shadow of the more dominant
goal of planning a comprehensive city park and recreational
facility system which accommodates resid~nts at a desired level.
If the commission,.. cit,y.C()UBc:.i~i.ClI).cl...i..staff is motivated to
accomplish a particular project or desIre, great steps can be taken
in an attempt to doso~ Ifaconservative~PP;-()iAcll't.()..(sievelopment
is desired and recommended, that will be reflected ..~t the end of
the five year window~ pther influencing factors.~I'lcl\lde population
growth, demographics, spec.j.iA.1. .il)t:.~.ffast.x.groups, environmental
concerns, etc. The following~o~ent.s.on each of t.he seven parks
classified as community parks ar~.x.from my perspective only. These
remarks are based on my observa.t~on of what the present and future
demands on these park sites mayibe.
Bandimere Communit.y Park
This 30 acre parcel of p;-operty was purchased from the Bandimere
Estat.e in 1989 at a cost of $200,000.00. The site consists of
. mainly tillable ground which is leased to Mike Klingelhutz, t.he
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successful bidder on the rental contract. The remainder of the
site is made up of the old farm site, drainage ways, sloped areas,
and a small strip of timber. Concept plans for development of the
site were prepared in 1989. with the completion of the Lake Susan
baseball field and the continuing desire to equitably develop field
facilities within the city, I believe changes to this plan are
necessary.
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These include the elimination of one Babe Ruth field and the
inclusion of one or two girls softball fields. I also believe that
a position of ruling out the installation of lights at the time of
initial development, or at a time in the future, should not be
taken. As can be seen from Attachment #1, this park will beat the
crossroads of the first major interchange on Highway 212 from the
east. In 15 or 20 years, this now rural park will be surrounded by
single and multi-family neighborhoods. In regards to the issue of
the Williams Pipeline, preliminary study has shown that it will
have a varying impact on construction activity dependent on the
park's final design and configuration in general. The pipe
currently lies 36" below the surface and has a maximum depth of
42". At this time, the costs associated with changes to the line
are unknown as Williams Pipeline Company will only respond after a
plan has been formally submitted to their engineering department in
Tulsa. A conservative estimate of the funds necessary to develop
this park as shown in either of the concept plans is $400,000. The
grant proposal currently being investigated for Bandimere Park is
of a preliminary nature and in no way obligates the city to develop
this site.
Bluff Creek Park
A 12 acre parcel obtained as part of the development of Hesse Farm
(Attachment #2), this site is comprised of the "bottom ground"
between the bluffs in the southern reaches of the Bandimere Creek
Watershed. Current emphasis is on incorporating this holding into
a much larger system of land holdings or easement parcels along the
entire watershed. One improvement this park is in need of is a
survey and the corresponding posting of property lines in the field
to ward against varying types of encroachment.
Chanhassen Pond Park
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As the Commission discussed, Chanhassen Pond Park is very
functional in its present condition. The 1992 CIP contains $1,200
for the installation of a park identification sign and two picnic
tables in the vicinity of Kerber Boulevard; woodduck and bluebird
houses, and Canada Goose nesting platforms were constructed by
Martin Schmidt as a Boy Scout project several years ago. A local
neighbor has recently adopted the bluebird houses and will care for
them in the future. Prior to this area being acquired as parkland,
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December 6, 1991
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the site was used as a grazing area for cattle. This led to the
creation of considerable erosion and washout areas which are being
corrected almost on an annual basis. The original road which was
cut into the slope adjacent to the pond is one of the remaining
locations which needs attention.
Lake Ann Park
Opportuni ties for additional improvements to Lake Ann Park are
plentiful. Three which stand out are the construction of a large
picnic shelter with concrete slab at the parkview picnic site; the
construction of a restroom, concession, storage building at the
location of the present ballfield concession building; and the
potential to negotiate with Eckankar for the purchase or lease of
addi tional property to the east. Wi th the maj or improvement
projects impending and recently completed at Lake Ann Park, it may
not be appropriate to consider these projects in the near future.
With the exception of the land negotiation, the other items would
probably be best placed on the far end of a five year plan.
Lake Susan Park
Here again a major investment in park development is in the final .
stages of being completed. Adding additional play fields or other
large park amenities to this site is restricted by the park's
current size. The addition of lights for the various play fields
in the park is one capital improvement which may be considered in
the future. I believe the present level of service offered in Lake
Susan Park, with this one exceptiori, will satisfy park users for a
period of time greater than five years.
South Lotus Lake Park (Attachment #3)
This site is comprised of three individual parcels; the two
easterly parcels are home to the boat access, the boat access
parking area, and an open play field. The westerly triangular
parcel is currently open space. This site was proposed for a
tennis court in the past, however, plans were put on the shelf
until the north leg of the Highway 101 improvement proj ect is
complete. Indications today point towards this work being
completed by the fall of 1992. The reason for delaying progress is
that the configuration of this parcel will be changed by the road
construction, most likely adding additional land to the site.
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Acr.lge: 35
Park Type; Communlty Park
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Rough Grading 10.000
Gtntrall~rO\llmtntl 300.000 .
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PARK NAME
ADDRESS
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CLASS
Bandlmere Communltv Park
D405 Great Plains Blvd lTH 101 I
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FACIIJTlES AND FEATURES AT PRESENT
_ BaJIfl8ld(s) _ ChIICOII Grlls
_ Player Benches. WoocI; _ MetaJ _ Piciuc ShIIter
_ Soccer FIeId(s) _ ReIervItion Picnic Slle(s)
_ Soccer Gaels (sets) _ 8w'.mmlllg Beach
_ Open Field _ eo. AcceIs
_ Basketball Court(s) _ FIIhIng Pier
_ Tennis Court(s) _ Short FIIhIng
_ Sand Volleyball Court(s) _ Dock(s)
_ Horseshoe PIt(s) _ Archery Range
_ Play Area(s) _ TraIs. BItumInous; _ Turf
_ Sliding Hill _ Wlllands
_ Skating Rink, Family _ Wooded Area
_ Hockey Rink(s) _ Park SIgn
_ Warming House _ BIeacher(s)
_ Picnic Area(s) _ Bike Rack
_ Picnic Tables. WoocI; _ MttaJ _ Portable RIItrOOm(s)
_ Park Benches _ SwIng UnIt
Parking: _ On-Street _ OIf-Strlet _ No. or Spaces _ Not PtIIent
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Park Type:
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T,.n Improvemtnts 15,000
Ae~.ss Rcad 10.000
Land AcQuisition 10.000
Total .0- .0- .0- .0- 71.000
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PARK INVENTORY
DATE: ADm 3 1991
PARK NAME
ADDRESS
ACRES
CLASS
Bluff Creek Pari<
Hesse Farm Road
21
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FAClUTIES AND FEATURES AT PRESENT
_ Ballfl8ld(s) _ CharcoII Grlls
_ Player Benches. Wood; _ Metal _ PicnIc Shelter
_ Soccer FiIId(s) _ RIMrvatIon PjcnIc SIle(s)
_ Soccer Goals (sets) _ 8wImmIng Beach
_ Open Field _ BOIl Access
_ Basketball Court(s) _ FiIhIng Pier
_ Tennis Court(s) _ Shore fishing
_ Sand Volleyball Court(s) _ Dock(s)
_ Horseshoe PIl(s) _ Archery Range
_ Play Aru(s) _ T,.... BItumInous; _ Turf
_ Sliding MOl _ WlCIands
_ Skating Rink, Family _ Wooded Area
. _ Hockey Rink(s) _ Part< SIgn
_ Warming House _ Bltachlr(s)
_ Picnic Ar.(s) _ Ilk. Rack
_ Picnic rabies, Wood; _ Metal _ Portable RtItrOOm(s)
_ Pari< Benches _ SwIng UnIt
Parking: _ On-Street _ Off.StreIt _ No. cI Spaces _ Not ~
BLUFF CREEK PARK
Notes and Observations:
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Chanha..en Pond Park
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Chanhas..n Pond Park
Kerber 8cUevird
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Oft.51r"1 Parking 1.000
Benches 100
Corr.ction or Erosion Problems .0- a.ooo 2.000
Grade Trail a.ooo
Total .g. 2.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
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DATE: ADrII 4 199'
PARK NAME
Chanhassen Pond Park
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FAClUTlES AND FEATURES AT PRESENT
_ a.rcc.I GrIIs
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_ Soccer FleId(s)
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_ Open Field
_ Basketblll Court(s)
_ Tennis Court(s)
_ Sand Volleyball Coun(s)
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_ Shore FiIhing
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_ Play Area(s)
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_ Picnic Area(s)
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FacUlty and EQUipment SpecIfic:atIons:
Bridge at Outlet:
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1991 Improvements
Play area expansions
Tennis Court Refurbishment
Master Plan Development
Warming House
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PARK NAME CItv Center Parte
ADDRESS 710 Coulter Drive
ACRES
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...L Ballfl8ld(s)
...1L Player Benches, Wood;_ Metal
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-L Soccer GOIIs (Nts)
_ Open Field
_ Basketball Court(s)
_ a.rcc.J Grlls
_ PIcnIc ShIller
_ ....1Ndon Picnic Slte(s)
_ 8w:mmIng Beach
_ Ioat Access
_ FiIhIng Pier
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__ Dock(s)
- Arebary Range
-L Tennis Court(s)
_ Sand VoIl.yball Court(s) '.
_ Horseshoe PIl(s)
..L Play Area(s)
-L TI'IIs, BlumInous; _ Turf
_ Wltlands
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...L Parte Sign
..J... B1Mcher(a)
_ like Rack
..L Portable Rtstroom(s)
_ SwIng UnI
_ Sliding HDI
...L Skating Rink, FamDy
-L Hockey Rink(s)
...L Warming House
_ Picnic Area(s)
...L Picnic Tables, Wood;..L Metal
..L Park Benches
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FacUlty and Equipment SpecIficatlons:
Hockey Rink #1:
Hockey Rink #2:
FamUy Skating Rink:
Warming House:
Ballfield #1:
Ballfteld #2:
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Park Name:
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Acres:
Class:
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Fl:VE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Lake Ann Park
'1456 Arboretum Blvd (Bwy 5)
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Shelter -
First aieS .upplies 400.00
LifequareS Room
Equipment
Rescue boareS
Cash re;bter
Freezer
.efri;erator
Microwave
Menu board.
BuileSing supplies
, Equipment 3,000.00
Row boat 650.00
Canoes (2) 1,000.00
PaeSeSle boat. (2) 1,650.00
Life jaCkets (20) . 500.00
Canoe paeSeSle. (10) . 200.00
Play-aka (6) 1,800.00
Play-ak paddles (8) 200.00
OUtboareS motor 750.00
Shelter
landscaping
BouneSary Buoys
General -
1500.00
500.00
750.00
400.00
500.00
300.00
300.00
1,500.00
1,300.00
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Drainage improve-
ment., field'6 1,000.00
Supplies for con-
version of fieleS .
'2 to Little Lea;~ 500.00
Bituminou. trail
loop .10,500.00
Fencing 2,200.00
Notes:
Lake Ann Park is anterin; a .ta,e of tinal b'ansfonaation to a
.full .ervice" cOJIIDIunity park. !'he in.tallation of .ervlces, i.e.
phone, alectric, .ever, vater will allow tbe tuture construction of
a vroup re.ervation picnic lIhe1tar at tbe parkviav araa, tbe
construction of a .erviceable abelter at tba ballfialds, anc5 ot1'lar
improv..enu.
1"1 Improv..ent.
Swimmin; raft 10,000.00
Player benches 2,500.00
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Location:
Acreage:
Park Type:
Lake Ann Park
On the north lide 01 HIghway 5, ,. mil WIlt 01 downtown Chlnhuaen
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Imorovements JJIB JE J&) .1E.1 . .lEi
Totlot 1,000
Expansion Project (100,000).
Totlot (Ballfields) tO,OOO
Totlot (Ballfields Phase II) 1,000
Nature Trail (Woods) ",000 ".000
Community Park Shelter tOO,ooo (110,000)--
Street Curbing 20.000
Raft to.ooo
Concession Improvements 1.000
Soccer L.ights eo,ooo
Handicap Picnic Area _ 15.000
. Player Benches 2.500
.Total ',000 10,000 "3,000 22,500 15,000
it Referendum Funds: These costs were nee caJculatlCllnlo the tdals.
.. Capital Improvement Project Transfer Out
Bold figurtl Indicat. prOJ.ctl Which have been completed or Irt In progren.
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expendlCl in a given year Is necessary prior 10 transferring luch fundi to the following yMr'. budget.
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Facllty and Equipment Specllcations:
Ba/lfHtld #1: L F. ~ Center FieId..a.:. R. F. Une ~ .....1nI a::IQ.' Plchtr's Plate~'
Ballfllld #2: L F. ~ Center Field.....: R. F. Une~ ....,ine~ ~r's Plate~' .'
Ballfleld #3: L F. ~ Center FIeld -2fI:. R. F. Unt ~ ""'ine ~ Plchtr's Plate..A[.
BallfHtld #4: L F. Lht- Cerur Field _ R. F. Une _ .....1nI_ Plcher's Plate..A[.
Ba/lfleld #5: L F. ~ Center Field _ R. F. Unt _ .....ine _ PIcher'. Plate.JQ:.
Ballfllld #6: L F.lJr'L-, Center FieId_ R. F. Unt_ .....'"'_ Plchtr'. Plate.JQ:.
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Ballfield #3: -L.... -L.
Ballfield #4: -L.... -L.
Ballfield #5: -L... -L.
BaIIfl8ld #6: -L... -L.
Soccer Field: liS ws x 110 ws
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10')1: 10'
Tennis Court: -A1:.- x 120'
Gate House: ...A.L. x-AA:..,
Maintenance Bulding, ~: ~ x-A1:.-
Maintenance Bulding, Wood: -K.... x___.
Play Area. 8aIIfitId:
Play Area, Beach:
Lake Side Picnic Area:
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Beach Area: _ x_
Fishing Pier: --E- x 104' . T-8ectlon:--E- x lID'
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Softball FleId ConceuIon luldlng: --K.- x...K.-
Dock #1: -L x--1L- Type: Rail In .,.Ioht
(Beach) ~: Aluminum
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Dock #2: -L x .' Type: "all In 20' T.-e&n
(Beach) MaterIal: PalntmSt..,
Manufact&nr: twNIn Roll...Dock
LAKE ANN PARK, CONTINUED
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(Fishing) Material: Painted St.. ~ Porta Dock Dane' UN
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~chery range
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Aeration .ystUl
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1991 Improvements -
Completion of Lake Susan. Park expansion project and play area.
"..,. V..r C.oll.I 'ITlDrDIMment 'ratnm
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Blucher
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DATE: ADrII 3 1991
Lake Susan Park
IK)3 Lake DrIve East
CLASS Communltv
27
-L. Ballfl8ld(s)
FACILITIES AND FEATURES AT PRESENT
..L CtwcoII GrIIs
..L Player Benches, Wood;..L u.taJ
_ Soccer FIeId(s)
_ Soccer Goals (uts)
_ Open FIeld
-L. Basketblll Court(s)
-L Tennis Court(s)
-L Sand Volleyball Court(s)
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-L. PtcnIc Shltter
-L. ReservatIon PlcnIc Slte(s)
_ 8wlmmIng Beach
-L. 80M ACCIIS (1891)
...L FiIhIng Pier (1891)
_ Shore Filhlng
_ Dock(s)
...L Archery Range (1891)
..L Trals. Bituminous; _ Turf'
_ W6nds
_Wooded Area
...L Parte SIgn (1891)
...L _cher(l) (1891)
_ BIke Rack
...L Ponable RIItrOOm(s)
_ SwIng UnIt
-L. Play ArN(s)
_ Sliding HDI
_ Skating Rink, FamUy
_ Hockey Rink(s)
_ Warming House
-L. Picnic Nea(s)
_ PicniC Tables, Wood; _ MetaJ
_ Park Benches
Parking: _ On-Street ...L Off-strMt _ No. d Spaces _ Not PNIent
Baseball Field:
FacUlty and Equlprnenl SpecIlcatJons:
Backstop:
Fence Height:
Dug OUt:
Tennis Courts:
Basketball Court:
Picnic Shelter:
Play Area:
L8ft FiIIcI LN 320' Right FIeIcl LN 320'c.nter FIeld 350'
Iue LN 110' PIcher'1 Plate eo'S"
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Park Name:
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7610 South Shore
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1991 Improvements -
Grading, drainage and landscapin; 1aprov..ent project completed,
play area to be installed.
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Location: South Short Drlvt
Acruge: 6
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Imorovements J8 .18 JIiQ JI21 JE:
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Totlot '0,DClO 'O.CICIO '0.000 10.000
Tennis Courts ..000 25.000
Total 1.600 10.000 25.000 ",CICIO 150'9
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ADDRESS
ACRES
South l..lJtus Lake Park
7810 South Shore Drive
7
CLASS Communltv
_' Ballfl8ld(s)
FACILITIES AND FEATURES AT PRESENT
_ ChIrccI8I GrIIs
_ Player Benches. Wood; _ u.tiJ
_ Soccer FiIId(s)
~ Soccer GoeIs (Mts)
..L. Open FIeld
. _ Basketball Court(s)
_ Tennis Court(s)
_ Send Volleyball Court(s)
_ Horseshoe PIl(s)
_ PIcnIc Shelter
_ ReIIrvatIon Picnic Slte(s)
_ 8wImmIng Beach
-L. Bolt Access
_ FiItq Pier
_ Shore Filhlng
-L. Dock(s)
- Arcttery Range
-L Play Aree(s) (1991)
_ Trail, BItuminous: _ Turf
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_ Wooded Area
-L. Park SIgn (1991)
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_ BIke Rack
-L. Portable ReItroom(s)
_ SwIng UnIt
_ Sliding HOI
_ Skating Rink, FamDy
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_ Warming House
_ Picnic Aree(s)
_ Picnic Tables, Wood; -L Metal
_ Park Benches
Parking: _ On-Street ~ 0II-strMt _ No. r:J Spaces _ Hal PrIeInt
SOUTH LOTUS LAKE PARK
FacUlty and Equipment SpecIIlc8tions:
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Material: Aluminum
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Gate House: 8' x-L-
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CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission
FROM:
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE:
December 2, 1991
SUBJ:
Revenue and Budget Report
In light of the uneasiness expressed at the November 19 Commission
meeting over the impending budget ~hortfall in Fund 410 for fiscal
year 1991, I thought it would be ij~lpful to provide a follow-up to
that report.
Forecasting revenues for any operation of the city, i.e. park and
trail fees, building permits ,sewer>and water, etc., is not an
exact science. However, to all-ow theie:::ity to operate on an annual
basis, these revenues must b~ estima.~ed to enable a budget of
expendi tures to be adopted. This torecasting of revenues is
completed by department heads in consult~tion with their staff and
the City Manager's office. A combinatiotl of factors are considered
in making estimates, incl,uding past per(ormance in the fund, the
overall economy, and arty special growtla activity in the city
directly relating to the fund. This process resulted in
$228,000.00 being proposed as total revenu~s in Fund 410 for 1991.
Recognizing the uncertainty of housing starts, however, a more
conservative expendit.ure!:l....:b\1d.9'~~....8+.<.~ll!;),3~p was adopted. We are
now aware that revenue not only in the area of park and trail fees,
but also in.......interest.......payInents}tandd.onat!On$t}~;\i,..+.~~~~i short of
estimates. This circumstance is obviously undesira~~e, but does
not cause any unduebll.rden on the Commission' si.pperations. To
mitigate this situation,thep~sh re~~7Y~~~nfUnd410 will be used
to balance the 1991 Budget. Th~ general. ledger will reflect the
shortfall in revenue, but there:;\siPo impact on the 1992 Budget.
Fund 410, Park Acquisition anCi<Development is a dynamic and
fluctuating fund. Years with better than expected revenue offset
years when revenues fall short. The Commission's desire to keep
expenditures in line with revenues on an annual basis is a good
policy. However, with an annual elP being adopted and published
each year, it then becomes cumbersome to attempt to equitably
reduce the investments called for in the city's parks. Having the
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December 2, 1991
Page 2
opportuni ty to use fund reserves in these cases is a luxury,
however, one which is not reI ied upon. As discussed by the
Commission, the policy of the city is to match expenditures with
revenues.
As you may have noticed, the City Council adopted the overall city
budget on Monday, November 25. An increase in park expenditures in
the areas of seasonal staff and program supplies was approved as a
part of this budget. Approximately $9,000 was cut from the
administrative budget. This money was to be used for the
development and printing of a city park and recreational facilities
brochure. Other expenditures in the functions of Park and
Recreation Commission, Administration, Recreation Programs and
Self-Supporting Programs included minimal increases, a sign of the
additional demands a growing population is placing on parks and
recreational services.
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C ITV OF
CHAHHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
TO:
Park and Recreation Commission ~;l1
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~
FROM:
DATE:
December 6, 1991
SUBJ:
Trail Connection, Herman Field Park to Minnewashta
Parkway
Access to Herman Field Park i~. now secure, and the initial
development of the park is unde~l\Y. One of the primary amenities
of Herman Field Park will be the turf trail connected in the center
with the aid of a floating watJCwaI. Minnewashta Regional Park
borders Herman Field Park along .i.ts ~ptire southern side. with the
opportunity existing to connec~ Herman Field Park's trail to the
County park's much larger t~ail system, I contacted Mr. Mike
Liddicoat, Carver County Par~f Direct~r, about this possibility.
As can be seen from Mr. L~ddicoat ' s~esponse, he discussed my
inquiry with the Carver County Park co~ission on October 9, 1991.
The results of this discussion were mix~d; however, approval was
given to negotiate with the city in this<fegard. A portion of the
apprehension expressed may be a residual ~ffect of how Herman Field
Park was originally acquired. [Note: the land was desired by
Carver County to become a portion of Mirmewashta Park, but Mr.
Herman gifted. it to ...1;h~q;itY,J
The attachedmap)deplctsth.etwotrai.l$Y$t~J1l$+ i\:fii;;.~C)'ted in the
minutes of the~ounty's Commission meeting, they have<no interest
in burdening anyre$popsibility in making th~. . connection. My
desire of the commission i.$. t.o rrf;);>opS1;..t9<these circumstances
enabling a consensus to be reaclledl\sto.what future action should
be explored. Specifically, th~ benefit of installing this trail
needs to be weighed against the ources necessary to complete the
work.
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MEMORANDUM
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CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900. FAX (612) 937-5739
Park and Recreation Commission
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~.
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
December 2, 1991
1992 Park and Recreation Commission Meeting Schedule
SUBJ:
In reviewing the 1992 calendar, the months of May and December may
call for deviation from our regulcl1l.r schedule:
The fourth TU~sday is May 26, the day after
Memorial Day. The Commission may wish to
reschedu1e~he .ay meeting to May 19.
December: The fourth. Tuesday is December 22, the week of
Christmas.~. It> is recommended that the
December meeting be changed to December 15.
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May:
Other than these potential deviations, i the following calendar of
meetings is presented for ...the Commission.' s consideration.
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C ITV OF
CHAHHASSEH
690 COULTER DRIVE . P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900 . FAX (612) 937-5739
MEMORANDUM
DATE:
Park and Recreation Commission
Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~
December 2, 1991
TO:
FROM:
SUBJ:
Retirement of Curt Robinson and Dawne Erhart from the
Commission
.
As Commission members are aware, Dawne Erhart and Curt Robinson
will retire from the Commission effective December 31, 1991. In
appreciation for their years of i~~rvice to the community in the
voluntary roles of Park and Recr~at~on Commissioners, each will be
honored. Dawne, for her three y,arsof service, will be presented
a certificate of Appreciation frpm the City Council signed by Mayor
Don Chmiel and city Manager Don Ashworth on the evening of the
December 10 meeting. Curt, for his 6 years of service, will be the
recipient of a Maple Leaf Award to be p+esented by the City Council
on January 13, 1992.
Both Dawne and Curt have served their tenure with integrity and
good faith. The city' sparks and recreational facilities have
grown rapidly during their terms, and exist in their present state
in part due to their input and contributions. You are both
unheralded public servants who should be proud of your
accomplishments as. Commissioners and of >your dedication to the
commission's work. .. Thank you both.f.()ra.11 your time, commitment
and involvement as Park and Recreation Commissioners. with this,
we bid you farewell and your
interests in parks and
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Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
FROM:
Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation
supervisor
DATE:
December 6, 1991
winter Program Update
SUBJ:
The winter activities offered by t~~ Park and Recreation Department
include programming for youth and adults. When listing the
activities, a brief description ,!9f,tthe event or program will be
addressed. "
Santa's mailbox is being offer,d fori/the first time this winter.
The idea behind the program i$ to haVe boys and girls write and
drop off or mail their lettersi:t:o Santa's mailbox. Santa will then
respond to each and every le~:t:er from~is home at the North Pole.
Letters can be dropped off or mailed to City Hall beginning
December 9th and continuing through'Dec~mber 20th.
In keeping with the Christmas festivit~es, the annual pancake
Breakfast with Santa will be from 8: 30 a.m. to 12: 30 noon on
Sunday, December 8th, at the Chanhassen E\~mentary School. This
event is sponsored by the Chanhassen Park and Recreation
Department, ChaIlhafi)sen ,Ella.I11be:\:"/ ,S?,~"E,C:>ntlllr:r;:~71 Chanhassen Volunteer
Fire Department, ,a,nd, t}"),e~aI').tlas~rnR()tary. Tickets are $3.50 for
adults, $2.50forchildrenunderi12,and Phi.ildren.3 a.ndunder eat
free. Tickets are available from any member of sponsoring
organization, orat.~'",door.
Chanhassen's Annual Christmas e ng Ceremony is Monday,
December 9th, at 6:00 p.m. at t~~ ' ock Tower Plaza. Mayor Chmiel
will make a brief speech befor!/plugging in the colored lights
decorating the 22 foot blue spruce. Hot apple cider and cookies
will be served, Chaska Senior High School Choir will sing Christmas
carols, and Santa will be handing out candy canes to everyone
attending.
During Christmas break, the kids are always looking for something
to do. This year a movie and popcorn day, a skating party, and a
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The Chanhassen Athletic Association is wrapping up basketball
registration for the 1991/92 season. The season will begin the
first week in January and is expected to last two-three months.
Two separate age groups will be used to ensure fair play. Boys and
girls in 2nd and 3rd grades will play together, and 4th and 5th
grades will play together. Practices and games will be at the
Chanhassen Elementary School and the new Jonathan Elementary
School.
In conjunction with the 1991/92 CAA basketball season, a coaching
certification program is available for the Chanhassen basketball
coaches. The National Youth Sports Coaches Association (NYSCA) is
an association whose goal is better. youth sports by training and
educating coaches. The City of Chanhassen is an accredited chapter
of the NYSCA. As a chapter we will be offering a certification
clinic on Saturday, January 4th, at the Chanhassen Elementary
School. Coaches attending the clinic will be certified, which
means they review all the educational material provide~, and are
covered automatically with a liability insurance policy of
$500,000.
The Friday night and Saturday afternoon youth open gyms will
continue through the winter. The large gym at the Chanhassen
Elementary School is open on Friday nights from 6:30 p.m. to 9:00
p.m. with a fee of $1.50 per night. Saturday afternoons are open
for boys and girls in 2nd to 5th grades from 1:00 p.m. to 2:30
p.m., and 6th-8th grades from 2:30 p.m.-4:00 p.m., to participate
in the open gym. A $LOO admission fee is charged per child. The
4It Friday and Saturday open gyms will continue until late March.
winter Program Update
December 6, 1991
Page 3
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The Karate/Tae Kwon Do program teaches students s"elf-defense,
concentration, discipline, and well being. This program has been
very popular with 33 people signing up for sessions 3 and 4.
Session 5 will begin Tuesday, January 7th, and conclude February
18th. Session 6 starts Thursday, January 9th, and will continue
through February 13th. Both sessions are in the Chanhassen
Elementary School small gYm, begin at 5:30 p.m. sharp, and conclude
by 6:20 p.m. The fee per session is $24.00 or $44.00 for both
sessions. A 25% discount will be given for a second family member,
and for any third family member a 50% discount will be allowed.
Friday, December 6th will be the second middle school Teen Night
Out. This Teen Night Out will be sponsored by Pepsi Corporation.
Pepsi has donated merchandise such as frisbees, sun glasses, bags,
cups, shirts, balloons, and key chains to be given away as prizes.
Pepsi is also paying for Air Jordon, a disc jockey from KDWB to
play the music and entertain the crowd. The Teen Night Out will be
at the Chaska Middle School from 6:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. and the
admission is $3.00 per person. The next Teen Night out will be
Friday, January 24, 1992.
Deanne's Dance Studio will be offering four tap and ballet dance
classes. A beginning half-hour tap and ballet class is going to be .
offered Thursdays, 3:30 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. for $16.00 per month.
The pre-school/kindergarten class will be offered for children with
some dance experience on Tuesdays, 4:30 p.m. to 5:15 p.m. for
$20.00 per month. The next age group is the 1st-3rd grade. All
children are grouped into classes according to their age,
experience, and ability. This class will be on Tuesdays, 3:30 p.m.
to 4:30 p.m. for $24.00 per month. The first three listed dance
programs are combination tap and ballet. The fourth dance program
is a jazz class available to children 3rd through 6th grades. Fun
and popular dance moves are used with today' s music. This class is
available Thursdays, 5:45 p.m.to 6:15 p.m. with a cost of $16.00
per month.
A new senior citizen tap class is going to be offered starting in
January. The class is focusing on great cardiovascular exercise
and social interaction. Each class will include 15 minutes of
stretch and warm-up, one hour of tap (learning steps and routines)
and 15 minutes of note taking for practicing "at home. Three
sessions will be available: 12 weeks for $51. 00, 8 weeks for
$38.00, and 6 weeks for $31.50. All classes meet on Tuesdays at
the Old Village Hall from 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 noon.
Hot Shoes, the aerobic class will be having winter and spring
sessions available for Chanhassen and area residents. The winter
session will begin January 13th, continuing through March 4th. The .
7 week class will have a fee of $45.00, which is paid for the first
night of class~ The first spring session will start March 11th,
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December 6, 1991
Page 4
continuing through April 22nd. The fee is $40.00 for the 7 weeks
of classes.
The outdoor skating rinks are located at Carver Beach Playground,
Rice Marsh Lake Park, Minnewashta Heights Park, North 'Lotus Lake
Park, Meadow Green Park, and City Center Park. The warming house
is available at City Center Park with an attendant on duty during
the following hours:
Weekdays
Saturdays
Sundays
4:00 p.m to 9:00 p.m
10:00 a.m. to 9:00
1:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
p.m.
The hours during Christmas vacation and "no school" days are:
Christmas Eve
Christmas
December 23
December 24
December 25
December 26-28
December 29
December 30
December 31
January 1
January 20
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New Year's Eve
New Year's Day
10 : 00 a . m . to 9 : 00 p . m .
10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
CLOSED
10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
1:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
CLOSED
10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
Starting in January, downhill ski trips sponsored by the Chanhassen
Park and Recreation Department and Community Education 112 will be
offered to boys and girls that are in 6th, 7th, and 8th grades. A
total of three trips'are planned with the first going to Afton Alps
Ski Area, Friday, January 17th. The second trip will be to wild
Mountain, Friday, February 7th, and the third to Trollhaughen,
Friday, February 28th. All three trips will be leaving the middle
school at 2:45 p.m. and return approximately 10:30 to 10:50 p.m.
The trips last year were well attended; looking ahead, I know these
trips will be even more popular.
The adult programs are will be starting or are currently underway.
winter volleyball through the Chaska Park and Recreation will have
its organizational meeting Tuesday, December 17th, in the Chaska
community Center dry craft room. Adult open gym will continue on
Monday nights from the present time until the end of April. Pick-
up games can be played at the Chanhassen Elementary large gym from
7:30 to 10:00 p.m., with a cost of $1.50 per night or $10.00 for a
ten night pass.
A variety of adult and children's programs are currently available
for the winter season. All the different age groups have some kind
of activities available to them, which should create a positive
recreational experience.
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ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION
Letter from WMI Services of Minnesota dated November 22, 1991.
Memo from Chris stone dated December 5, 1991.
Letter to Mr. Robert Lambert from Eden prairie Horsemen dated
November 6, 1991.
WMI Services of Minnesota
a WMI Service Center
3230 101st Avenue NE
Blaine, Minnesota 55434
. 612/785-1959
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November 22, 1991
city of Chanhassen
Attn: Todd Hoffman
690 Coulter Driver
PO Box 147
Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317
Dear Todd,
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Thank you for your interest in WMI services of Minnesota! The
following is our proposal for your warming house needs:
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Delivery
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Our insurance is $26.00 per monthly with a $1,000.00 deductible.
You may supply your own insurance and just provide us with a
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690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Coordinator
DATE: December 5, 1991
SUBJ: "Those A-Maize-ing Pilgrims" Program Evaluation
"Those A-Maize-ing Pilgrims" is a one-day program for children
grades 1-6 focusing on the faq~ual events leading up to and
concerning the first Thanksgivin9'~ The class is divided into three
parts:
1.
An in-depth look at Pl.lgrlm history including religion,
lifestyles, clothing' andi$hip structure.
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2. Thanksgiving craft projects..
3. A sampling of authentic and t~aditional (the distinction
is discussed) T~nksgiving fqpd.
The time allotment for the class was inCreased from 1 ~ to 3 hours
to include a second craft and to allow\fJor spirited discussion.
This also allowed the<instructor to give l4tpre one-on-one attention
to the nine participants. The older children found the historical
information quit.e in~~.r~::;~+.Rc;J'.,.Cj.J+Y'~R.~~~p.c:;t that some information
conflicted with.that.froll\sC:1:lc>ol(e.g.i:luthentic Pilgrim clothing
vs mythical.'.Pilgrim\clothinq)...!."heYOunqfU";.r.::tli~q~t\ull~\ attention
tended to wane. .+0 combat this, perhaps the instruct:,O'~could wear
Pilgrim clothing :U$~"ll\c>:re eye-catching visui:ll.(.~l.ds, including
maps, models, and illustratten!,. t.\developed.
The food selection was possibly!j:h.> highlight of the class, as the
children most enthusiastically ~~l1'ipled the items. As each item was
laid out, its role in the First!."hanksgiving Feast was discussed.
As the children ate, the instructor quizzed them on the food. The
participants ate turkey, nuts, beans, cranberries, corn, pumpkin
pie, and cider. All food except the pie and cider was eaten at the
First Feast. The only pies eaten by the Pilgrims were meat pies:
as the apple trees planted were not yet mature enough to bear
fruit.
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"pilgrim" Evaluation
December 5, 1991
Page 2
In the class, children used listening skills, small motor
functions, creativity, and tactile learning. "Those A-Maize-ing
pilgrims" is a successful class as a fun learning tool for school-
age children and should be offered again.
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CITY Of CHANHASSEN
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Mr. Robert Lambert
Director of Community services
Parks, Recreation, and Natural
Resources Commission
7600 Executive Drive
Eden prairie, Minnesota 55344
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DeaL Mr. Lambert and cOll~ission:
," -~~-. "Enclosed is a list of individuals who support the use of the
" Chicago/NW railroad line for horseback riding. This curre~t list
is not complete, and we will continue to update as more interested
_ horsemen's signatures are obtained. We are also compiling
additional information to forward to you regarding other successful
multi-use/horseback riding trails around the United states.
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Please feel fr.ae to contact our trail representative (Pat
Nhmnerfroh, 934-0585) of any meetings regarding use . of the
abandoned railroad track or-if you have any further questions.
Respectfully,
Q.~J~
Pat Nimmerfroh
Trail Representative for
Eden ~rairie Horsemen
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include horse trails on the Chicago NW Railroad Line and
connect it to the Chanhassen trail.
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include horse trails on the Chicago NW Railroad Line and
connect it to the Chanhassen trail.
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